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Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
“You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050
Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink
“I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
— John Hancock
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
WSClark
Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:26 am | Permalink
“You post nothing but vulgarity and then use your grandkids to support doing so.”
Sorry, Price, my granddaughter meant to say “phuck you, Price, you self-righteous hypocrite” but she needed to get back to bed.
Good night, all ye hytpocrites right wing liars!
Hmmmm …… the similarities of King George, and our own King George Bush:
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: (The cost of the war in Ireq)
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us (In Iraq)
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms:
Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.
A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a TYRANT, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
GROW UP NATHAN !!!!
Just heard a report on the Bakken oilfield in Montana, North Dakota and Saskatchewan on Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ayj1uo_gdNI4
More oil than in Saudia Arabia and accessible due to new technology. This could be subtitled “why we are not drilling off shore and in the artic.”
Interesting article in today’s paper about Tiller’s practice. Out of the 2,660 late term abortions on viable fetuses, only seven had abnormalities and NONE were done to save the life of the mother…what’s wrong with this picture?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted July 4, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
Interesting article in today’s paper about Tiller’s practice. Out of the 2,660 late term abortions on viable fetuses, only seven had abnormalities and NONE were done to save the life of the mother…what’s wrong with this picture?
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Precisely Mary.
A Man of Seasonal Principles
From the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/03/AR2008070302451.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, July 4, 2008; Page A17
You’ll notice Barack Obama is now wearing a flag pin. Again. During the primary campaign, he refused to, explaining that he’d worn one after Sept. 11 but then stopped because it “became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism.” So why is he back to sporting pseudo-patriotism on his chest? Need you ask? The primaries are over. While seducing the hard-core MoveOn Democrats that delivered him the caucuses — hence, the Democratic nomination — Obama not only disdained the pin. He disparaged it. Now that he’s running in a general election against John McCain, and in dire need of the gun-and-God-clinging working-class votes he could not win against Hillary Clinton, the pin is back. His country ’tis of thee.
In last week’s column, I thought I had thoroughly chronicled Obama’s brazen reversals of position and abandonment of principles — on public financing of campaigns, on NAFTA, on telecom immunity for post-Sept. 11 wiretaps, on unconditional talks with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — as he moved to the center for the general election campaign. I misjudged him. He was just getting started.
Last week, when the Supreme Court declared unconstitutional the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns, Obama immediately declared that he agreed with the decision. This is after his campaign explicitly told the Chicago Tribune last November that he believes the D.C. gun ban is constitutional.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton explains the inexplicable by calling the November — i.e., the primary season — statement “inartful.” Which suggests a first entry in the Obamaworld dictionary — “Inartful: clear and straightforward, lacking the artistry that allows subsequent self-refutation and denial.”
Obama’s seasonally adjusted principles are beginning to pile up: NAFTA, campaign finance reform, warrantless wiretaps, flag pins, gun control. What’s left?
Iraq. The reversal is coming, and soon.
Two weeks ago, I predicted that by Election Day Obama will have erased all meaningful differences with McCain on withdrawal from Iraq. I underestimated Obama’s cynicism. He will make the move much sooner. He will use his upcoming Iraq trip to finally acknowledge the remarkable improvements on the ground and to formally abandon his primary season commitment to a fixed 16-month timetable for removal of all combat troops.
The shift has already begun. Yesterday, he said that his “original position” on withdrawal has always been that “we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable.” And that “when I go to Iraq . . . I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”
He hasn’t even gone to Iraq and the flip is almost complete. All that’s left to say is that the 16-month time frame remains his goal but that he will, of course, take into account the situation on the ground and the recommendation of his generals in deciding whether the withdrawal is to occur later or even sooner.
Done.
And with that, the Obama of the primaries, the Obama with last year’s most liberal voting record in the Senate, will have disappeared into the collective memory hole.
Obama’s strategy is obvious. The country is in a deep malaise and eager for change. He and his party already have the advantage on economic and domestic issues. Obama, therefore, aims to clear the deck by moving rapidly to the center in those areas where he and his party are weakest, namely national security and the broader cultural issues. With these — and, most important, his war-losing Iraq policy — out of the way, the election will be decided on charisma and persona. In this corner: the young sleek cool hip elegant challenger. In the other corner: the old guy. No contest.
After all, that’s how he beat Hillary. She originally ran as a centrist, expecting her nomination to be a mere coronation. At the first sign of serious opposition, however, she panicked and veered left. It was a fatal error. It eliminated all significant ideological and policy differences with Obama — her desperate attempts to magnify their minuscule disagreement on health-care universality became almost comical — making the contest entirely one of personality. No contest.
As Obama assiduously obliterates all differences with McCain on national security and social issues, he remains rightly confident that Bush fatigue, the lousy economy and his own charisma — he is easily the most dazzling political personality since John Kennedy — will carry him to the White House.
Of course, once he gets there he will have to figure out what he really believes. The conventional liberal/populist stuff he campaigned on during the primaries? Or the reversals he is so artfully offering up now?
I have no idea. Do you? Does he?
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
Mary,
Tiller’s is a multi-million dollar death mill for the babies, and questioning regret for women.
BUT….it’s part of the liberal agenda so he gets away with it.
Freedom for all of us, except for the fetus, who is totally defenseless, in the name of choice!
What’s wrong with this picture? Other people snooping into personal and private medical decisions that are made between a woman and her doctor is what’s wrong with this picture. Saving the mother’s life and severe abnormalities are on two of allowed criteria. “Substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function” is an allowed criteria, and you and I can’t sit at home and make a diagnosis for these patients.
A law cannot be written that can substitute for the judgement of those personal affected and involved.
Can we please move along with addressing the problems making America into a second rate underdeveloped nation and call a truce in the the culture wars for a few years?
DavidB,
Work hard, teach your children, be responsible, love your wife, sacrifice for your children, don’t expect a handout, stand for what you believe in, love your neighbor, but most of all Love God!
When we don’t do the above, we will become a second rate underdeveloped nation, indeed!
You don’t know those women’s cicumstances. The grand jury already cleared them.
European cars get 50 to 60% better gas mileage. Americas’ bridges collapse. Unmaintained levee’s fail flooding one of America’s most beloved cities forcing the evacuation of a majority of the population – still not rebuilt. America’s children are growing up to compete with foreign workers who are much better educated. The rich make huge income gains, while the working people continue fall behind as wages stagnate and prices rise. Republican anti-regulators allow trillions of dollars in fraudulent loans to nearly collapse the housing market. Our children mouth poison toys since the inspection processes have no staff. Some European countries get 30% and more of their energy from clean 21st century technology vs. our nine percent. In a fuel crisis, the President does not use the word “conservation” once.
Hugging my wife is a fine thing to suggest, but it will take a bit more than that to turn this car around.
“What’s wrong with this picture? Other people snooping into personal and private medical decisions that are made between a woman and her doctor is what’s wrong with this picture. Saving the mother’s life and severe abnormalities are on two of allowed criteria. “Substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function” is an allowed criteria,”
Come on DavidB, can’t you see this is simply a ‘licenses’ to kill defenseless babies.
Where is your concern for them???
Read this if you are capable. It is very revealing!!!
“…statistics from the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, said that of 2,660 abortions in the past six years that were reported on what doctors considered viable fetuses, none were performed to save the mother’s life, and seven involved fetuses diagnosed with abnormalities.”
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/454153.html
Would it be a “personal and private medical decisions” to kill your newly born living child because they are inconvenient and crimping your lifestyle? How about up to, oh say a year or two? How about an annoying spouse making you ‘crazy’, that’s a mental health reason. How about a neighbor that was really getting on your nerves, and causing mental anxiety?
Why then the most defenseless? Are you saying they aren’t human? If not what are they?
Or is is simply because they can’t vote or pay taxes or cry out in defense of their life. These aborted babies are HUMAN beings, yes small, but human beings none the less, and they have a life that is real and will fully develop into a grown individual.
Your selfishness is incredible. Your lack of concern for those most defenseless and dependent is frightening. I hope in time, when you can no longer care for or defend yourself someone just decides to rid themself of you out of their “personal and private medical decisions”.
in today’s Opinion line:
A taxpayer voting for Obama, is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Mary, you are exempt from this comment!
Con logic
Scooter Libby is convicted in the legal system and yet the cons insist he is not guilty and refuse to accept the court’s decisions
George Tiller is exhonorated by the legal system and yet the cons insist he is GUILTY and refuse to accept the court’s decisions
Now just WHO thinks they are above the law?
Looks like the cons
They’d like the courts to go away. Until they go whining to the courts about gun rights.
The biggest danger to our government and the subversion of our system of three equal branches of government, checks and balances, and a government that serves the people, not rules the people, is?
Cons
So.. why are we shooting overseas when the real threats to democracy are right here at home?
Rule of law indeed. IOKIYAAC
A little early for poodle dancing, isnt it?
Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave today at the knowledge that our very own King George is speaking at his home.
What a disgrace to Jefferson’s memory and all he stood for.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted July 4, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink
Mary, you are exempt from this comment!
Con logic
Scooter Libby is convicted in the legal system and yet the cons insist he is not guilty and refuse to accept the court’s decisions
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Yes, but kfg, what exactly was Scooter Libby convicted up? Perjury maybe?
In the Federal courts, one can get a perjury conviction on almost anybody at anytime. That was no great feat of justice, it was game playing.
ksfarmgrrl,
Looks like it’s a little early for you too, have you looked in the mirror yet?
http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=BDX/BDX322/bxp58623.jpg
“ksfarmgrrl” writes –
Con logic
Scooter Libby is convicted in the legal system and yet the cons insist he is not guilty and refuse to accept the court’s decisions
George Tiller is exonerated by the legal system and yet the cons insist he is GUILTY and refuse to accept the court’s decisions
Now just WHO thinks they are above the law?
Looks like the cons
They’d like the courts to go away. Until they go whining to the courts about gun rights.
The biggest danger to our government and the subversion of our system of three equal branches of government, checks and balances, and a government that serves the people, not rules the people, is?
Cons
So.. why are we shooting overseas when the real threats to democracy are right here at home?
Rule of law indeed.
No comment, except everyone should re-read this.
Good stuff, “ksfarmgrrl.”
If someone cannot make the distinction between aborting a pregnancy and murdering an annoying neighbor…
They are both HUMAN and they are both ALIVE!
Now you tell me the difference.
By the way DavidB, the developing human could be considered much more valuable than you. The baby has potential….you apparently do not.
Thanks for proving my point Reg.
MonkeyHawk, thanks, but it still pales in comparison to your post about terrorists swearing at soldiers yesterday.
I’m STILL laughing about that!
DavidB, pay no attention to the poodle behind the curtain…
“What’s wrong with this picture?”
Look around.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted July 4, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink
Thanks for proving my point Reg.
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I didn’t prove your point, on the contrary.
If Tiller was set to the same perjury standards as Libby was, Tiller would still be in jail today.
And that’s a fact.
apples and oranges KFG.
Tiller wouldn’t be able to pull his legal stunts in federal court.
“Boxlock” spews the moralist meme –
“They are both HUMAN and they are both ALIVE!
Now you tell me the difference.”
But can’t stand it without coming up with a follow-up post, two minutes later –
“…the developing human could be considered much more valuable than you. The baby has potential….you apparently do not.”
So much for “all life is precious,” I guess.
IOKIYAACon
or a moron….
All pigs are equal. Some are just more equal than others.
Well, this is fun and all but I gotta get honkin’ on the potato salad and chicken. And the most recent fishing expedition has yielded catfish for the frying pan too.
“you can get anything you want, at Alice’s restaurant”.
y’all have fun on the Group W bench!
Why are you surprised Monkeyhawk?
To folks like boxy, the fetus is just something they use as a ball and chain to punish a woman and anybody else he can for “naughty” sex. Once it is born, the poor little baby soon loses any love or support from such folk.
It’s really quite strange and sad.
In the womb? People will protest and pray and even blow up a clinic or kill a Dr. for “you”.
Once you are down that birth canal?
You’re on your own kid!
I’ll just leave ya with this JP tune.
“Fish and whistle, whistle and fish, eat everything that they put on your dish”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdzdEQOHL_I
Yes, but kfg, what exactly was Scooter Libby convicted up? Perjury maybe?
In the Federal courts, one can get a perjury conviction on almost anybody at anytime. That was no great feat of justice, it was game playing.
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So the federal court system is bought and paid for so politicians can get their “revenge” on political figures they don’t agree with?
You certainly don’t inhabit the same country I do. Federal court is no game; it’s the law. Maybe you should go to Mexico, where you are guilty until proven innocent. Or maybe you should just go to Mexico . . . period:-)
Tiller wasn’t charged . . . in Kansas! And you still don’t get it? Try changing the laws.
Ksfarmgrrl,
Lyrics by one of the greatest writers we got. John Prine is a major fan:
The man in the bed isn’t me
Now I slipped out the door and I’m runnin’ free
Young and wild like I’ll always be
No the man in the bed isn’t me.
And these tremblin’ hands, they’re not mine
Now my hands are strong and steady all the time
They can swing a sledge hammer or soothe a baby that’s cryin’
These trembling hands, they’re not mine.
Now the nurse over there doesn’t know
That I ain’t some helpless old so-and-so
I could have broken her heart not that long ago
Now the nurse over there doesn’t know.
That the man in the bed isn’t me
‘Cause I slipped out the door and I’m runnin’ free
Young and wild like I’ll always be
The man in the bed isn’t me.
I’m the man I’ve always been
I’m the kid who rode the rails through the Great Depression
I fought in the big war and marched for the Union
I’m the man I’ve always been.
So don’t believe what the doctors say
They’re just makin’ things up so they can get paid
Yeah, and it ain’t me they’re talkin’ about anyway
So don’t believe what the doctors say.
‘Cause the man in the bed isn’t me
Well I slipped out the door and I’m finally free
Young and wild like I’ll always be
No the man in the bed isn’t me
No the man in the bed isn’t me
No the man in the bed isn’t me.
Read some of the others here, especially “out of control”.
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/alvin-dave/the-man-in-the-bed-13359.html:
“Regular” reports from his personal fantasy world, “If-Land” with –
“If Tiller was set to the same perjury standards as Libby was….
And if frogs had longer hind legs they wouldn’t bump their butts.
Kansas anti-reproductive rights activists wrote all the laws Phill (the second “L” is for “loopy”) Kline used to try to haul George Tiller to El Dorado to become Dennis Rader’s girlfriend, but guess what? Tiller obeyed all the laws they wrote!
No crime, no time.
And that’s one of the major issues of this debate.
When it comes down to following, y’know, the LAW all those anti-reproductive rights activists come slap-damn face-to-face with reality.
And the reality is: women have sought to deal with unplanned, untenable, unhealthy, ill-timed and, yes, sometimes inconvenient pregnancies.
You can preach your self-ordained theology all you want but no law is going to to eliminate abortion. Convert those ladies to your theology if it’s so all-powered superior.
But in the meantime, society needs to deal with the issue of reproductive rights.
The reality is: If you’re “anti-abortion” you are steadfastly FOR back-alley butchers-of-women.
But they’re “women,” right? There’s at least a “potential” that the clump of cells in her uterus might be a MALE, right?
The so-called “Pro-Life” movement is nothing but misogyny disguised as “morality.”
It really is so stupidly sad.
Those who SAY they are pro life attack those who provide a service and those who seek that same, legal service.
The root of the problem is largely economic. But while they spend considerable time and money in their fight, the “pro life” people miss this completely.
Putting it in the context of the day….
It would be as if in the days of the rebellion, the colonists had gone down and shot at the ocean blaming IT for the grievances against the crown merely for being the conveyance of his majesty’s troops.
Monkeyhawk,
You are so far off base with your assertions as to be labeled ridiculous. Being for the unborn child’s rights in no way leaves an impression we are for back ally butchers. Maybe in the minds of fanatics, but not in the average person.
The pro-life movement may have moralistic overtones, but it’s main concern is the unborn child’s rights, which, imho, is what it should be doing. It boils down to a difference in philosophy concerning the nature of man, and his religious associations. Unfortunately, an unborn child gets caught in the crosshairs.
But that’s okay, right? Wouldn’t want a woman and her impregnator taking responsibility for their actions, now would we? Much simpler to flush the kid.
“If Tiller was set to the same perjury standards as Libby was, Tiller would still be in jail today.”
Huh? When did Dr. Tiller commit perjury?
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JMWalker
Posted July 4, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Tiller wasn’t charged . . . in Kansas! And you still don’t get it? Try changing the laws.
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kfg was comparing Libby and Tiller, I said apples and oranges. I also added that if Tiller was under federal perjury charges he would be convicted for sure.
Of course it doesn’t help when you butt into a discussion with an unloaded weapon there walker. :D
“Wouldn’t want a woman and her impregnator taking responsibility for their actions, now would we? Much simpler to flush the kid.”
I know your heart is in the right place Walker.
But you too are shooting at the ocean.
ALL the responsibility for a new human life placed on the shoulders of one or at best two people who do not want that responsibility?
That’s not an answer. It’s a dodge. And just how do you coerce it into being?
Abortion is really a very natural thing. We CAN rise above that. The efforts thus far are not promising.
Before abortion was legal, the young woman with an unplanned pregnancy was an object of scorn and shame. She was driven to have her baby far from her community.
We have too damned many people who think pregnancy is a penance. It is written into their book, “I shall greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception”. And they can’t bring themselves to rewrite it.
We need to be a different society. We need to judge less and assist more.
Everything is wrong in the world today. I just found out that my lobbyist for women’s issues..such as domestic violence…was found murdered and her boyfriend is the suspect.
Ya’ll just don’t understand how upside down the world is to me today. She wasn’t just an ordinary person. She was such a bright light and funny and so darn smart she was going to law school.
What the hell are we fighting for. If the advocates become the victims so easily, are we not making any damn headway in respect for women? What the HELL is wrong with this world.
You have my deepest sympathies, P Mom. The world is a crazy place at times.
Peace be with you
For your friend and you political mama….
“Too many men
Theres too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.
Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands were given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for.”
May God Bless America today on its 232nd Anniversary!
And please God, help America save the world from Global Warming!
TV Sets – Get rid of them all now! Ban them! I fully expect all of you who are not Global Warming Deniers to get rid of your TV sets – safely if this is even possible. To do otherwise, would be very hypocritical of you.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376304,00.html
Flat-Screen TV Gas ‘a Climate Time Bomb’
Friday, July 04, 2008
Booming demand for flat-screen televisions could have a greater impact on global warming than the world’s largest coal-fired power stations, scientists warn.
A greenhouse gas called nitrogen trifluoride, used to make the TVs, is 17,000 times more potent than carbon dioxide, said Michael Prather, director of the environment institute at the University of California, Irvine.
My sympathies Political Mama.
Well. Today, Jesse Helms provided his greatest service to the American people–by finally dying.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/us/politics/00helms.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
May God have mercy on your eternal soul, Jesse–even though you did nothing to deserve it.
P-Mom,
What a horrendous and unjust fate for your friend. You have my condolences.
Boxlock” spews the moralist meme –
“They are both HUMAN and they are both ALIVE!
Now you tell me the difference.”
But can’t stand it without coming up with a follow-up post, two minutes later –
“…the developing human could be considered much more valuable than you. The baby has potential….you apparently do not.”
So much for “all life is precious,” I guess.”
MonkeyHawk I defy you to explain how those babies are NOT both HUMAN and ALIVE.
If someone takes an adult life they are left with a dead human, and if someone takes a infant child’s life they are left with a dead human.
DavidB shows his worth in the lack of value he places on the defenseless life.
And you also!
And BlueJay, with regard your comment, “To folks like boxy, the fetus is just something they use as a ball and chain to punish a woman and anybody else he can for “naughty” sex. Once it is born, the poor little baby soon loses any love or support from such folk”. That is a lie, and you know it or should, and it exists ONLY in your sick degenerate mind, maybe because you feel that way and to eliminate is just easiest. I have never said or indicated such I don’t value them. I am interested in the well being of both the child and the parents, but not to the point of KILLING the defenseless baby out of convenience.
Are you interested in the welfare of your son BlueJay? Do you deny he is both human and alive? Of course not. From his conception he has had all his genetic makeup, developing into what he was, he is now, and into what he will become. BlueJay, if his mother had aborted where would your son be today. Not less human, only a dead one. And so it is with all the aborted, they are never ‘less that human’, never ‘less than alive’ until aborted, then they are dead humans.
In 1776, Patriotic Americans fought to form a country where People could be Free.
That fight goes on today….
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376243,00.html
A Fitting Tribute to a Slain Navy SEAL Gains Attention
A little-known tribute some Navy SEALs gave to a fallen comrade is gaining notice.
Petty Officer Michael A. Monsoor was killed in battle in Iraq in September 2006, and posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor in April.
His funeral in Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery in San Diego was attended by “nearly every SEAL on the West Coast,” said his grandfather, George Monsoor, Sr., who described his grandson as an “outgoing guy.”
During the service, as Monsoor’s coffin was taken from the hearse to the gravesite, Navy SEALs lined up in two columns. As the coffin passed, video shows each SEAL slapping down the gold Trident from his uniform and deeply embedding it in Monsoor’s wooden coffin.
The slaps were reportedly heard across the cemetery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfK2BQCIIes&eurl=http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/03/us-navy-seal-mi.html
And as*holes like CFUK have a right to Free Speech, because men and women have sacrificed their lives to keep America Free.
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CF2K Posted July 4, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Well. Today, Jesse Helms provided his greatest service to the American people–by finally dying.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/us/politics/00helms.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
May God have mercy on your eternal soul, Jesse–even though you did nothing to deserve it.
CF2K
Posted July 4, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink
P-Mom,
What a horrendous and unjust fate for your friend. You have my condolences.
Sorry for your loss PMom. Sounds like we all lost on that one.
Pmom, I’m so sorry. It is a hell of a world we live in.
I hope satan himself greeted jesse at the gates of hell. He probably did, and gave him a slap on the back for a job well done.
The loss of life is always tragic for all involved.
Sorry for your loss P_mama.
Why was she a “lobbyist for women’s issues, such as domestic violence”? Do you know? Has she had past issues herself? It is ironic, yet not all that uncommon, that things like this happen to those involved in fighting that very thing.
I’m sorry about your friend, P-Mom. The world today makes little sense to me, either.
Ksfrmgrl…Amen to that! He was one the world won’t miss.
Yeah Mary. I usually try to be a little more charitable at someone’s death, but he was one eeeevil sumbiotch.
Karma was way too kind to his sorry ass.
Sigh. Back to the stove…
But I still wish my blog buddies were here!
‘Tater salad and fried chicken, Hank’s burgers and Mary’s beans will always bring the blog to mind!
Dear Nazi,
As do Nazis such as yourself.
Happy Fourth of July, freedom-hating Nazi pig!
ksfarmgrrl,
Agreed. What makes it different in Jesse’s case is that none of us are saying anything now that he’s dead that we didn’t say while he was alive.
Jesse Helms’ hateful, hateful actions killed lots of people, directly and indirectly, in America and throughout the world. He takes his rightful place on the trash heap of history.
My only regret is that Jesse Helms’ cause of death was not the inauguration of President Obama.
MaxGrobnik posted July 4, 2008 at 11:34 am
“TV Sets – Get rid of them all now! Ban them! I fully expect all of you who are not Global Warming Deniers to get rid of your TV sets – safely if this is even possible. To do otherwise, would be very hypocritical of you.
A greenhouse gas called nitrogen trifluoride, used to make the TVs,…”
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Uhhhh Max. . .
What part of the word “make” do you not understand?
(Modified repost of my post yesterday to okobserver)
Max is a typical Republican.
He thinks(sic) that throwing away flat screens will recover the NF3 that might have been released EARLIER, when the screen was MANUFACTURED.
That’s a neat trick. . . those NF3 molecules floating far away up in the atmosphere, all over Earth, will be somehow be captured when you throw away your flat screen?
Abortion is legal. Republicans continue to keep abortion legal.
Is that message plain enough?
We should only speak good of the dead.
Jesse Helms is dead.
Good.
“My only regret is that Jesse Helms’ cause of death was not the inauguration of President Obama.”
LOL!!! That’s would have been great!
Cosmos I think the point here is that by buying flat screen tvs the public is contributing to GW. How many do you have? How many do your friends have?
Everyone sold will result in another one being built.
But ksgrm, there is no global warming, your President Bush is lying to you…again.
Pmom that is really a downer today. Hope justice is served up for this man.
I also lost a good friend from my highschool years this week. She died of a very fast acting brain tumor. This time last year we were planning a class reunion for this week and she thought she was fine.
If we have any country music fans here – she was the mother of Keith Anderson. A fantastic person, great mother, foster mother to dozens of children, two that she adopted. She always lit up the world around her. I’ll miss her smile.
okobserver posted July 4, 2008 at 12:40 pm
“Cosmos I think the point here is that by buying flat screen tvs the public is contributing to GW.”
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The point that BOTH okobserver and Max made was that you should throw away the flat screen that you already BOUGHT.
MaxGrobnik posted July 4, 2008 at 11:34 am
“I fully expect all of you who are not Global Warming Deniers to get rid of your TV sets – safely if this is even possible. To do otherwise, would be very hypocritical of you.”
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okobserver posted July 3, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“I am calling on all bloggers especially those on the left to get rid of their flat screens now. Do your part for GW. Finally something we can all do.”
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It’s easy to be a Republican — rational thinking is prohibited.
Manufacturers can reduce the emissions of NF3, just as they reduced emissions of SF3.
And I don’t own a flat screen TV.
Thanks to all of you who have sent your sympathies. and Grm, it sucks to lose a friend no matter what. I’m also sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss Pmom? Was this a local person or ?
Regardless, may peace be with her and you for your sorrow of her loss.
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Posted July 4, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Tiller wasn’t charged . . . in Kansas! And you still don’t get it? Try changing the laws.
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kfg was comparing Libby and Tiller, I said apples and oranges. I also added that if Tiller was under federal perjury charges he would be convicted for sure.
Of course it doesn’t help when you butt into a discussion with an unloaded weapon there walker. :D
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The title of this thread is “Open”, in case you forgot. As such, I’ll “butt” in anytime I wish.
As for an unloaded weapon: Didn’t anybody ever tell you there is no such thing as an unloaded weapon? Or is it the fact you cons never had any ammo to load in the first place, so you have no idea what a loaded weapon is, only bigoted speculation!
And convicted for what? Perjury? I would appreciate your informing us exactly where and when he committed perjury, weapons boy. And feel free to report exactly what law, by section and paragraph, he supposedly broke. Gee, sound familiar?
Wow. Jesse Helms dead, and certain posters pile on. Your choice, freedom of speech and all that, but wow, wasn;t there a lecture about that by those same posters a few weeks ago when Kennedy was diagnosed? I could be wrong. Feel free to post away. Again, first amendment and all that. You just show us your “liberal, progressive mind compassion”.
NF3:Let’s look at the numbers:
The two little banned coal plants in Western Kansas were projected to spew 11 million tons of carbon dioxide annually.
This year’s world-wide production of nitrogen trifluoride is equivalent to 67 million tons of carbon dioxide. Not insignificant, but compared to coal burning, it is a drop in the bucket.
If one figures in reduced electrical usage of flat panels vs. cathode ray tubes and the resulting carbon foot print, the apparent added burden to the earth’s atmosphere is ameliorated somewhat…
Air Products (which operates a plant south of the airport) and produces the gas for the electronics industry, told New Scientist that very little nitrogen trifluoride is released into the atmosphere.
So the answer is a responsible recycling program for flat panel TVs and for the industry to seek safer materials to use. Both are opportunities for new technology and new business.
I suppose Fox news will seek to trivialize the greenhouse gas issue with the nitrogen trifluoride story. We’ll see Glen Beck – whom Max does a good impression of – making his wild whining noises and outlandish exaggerated claims.
Well, here’s a good story about good ol’ Jesse: Not from the 50s or the 30s – it is from 1993.
Helms once deeply offended a black colleague, Democratic Senator Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois, by singing part of “Dixie” on a Capitol elevator.
Soon after the Senate vote on the Confederate flag insignia, Sen. Jesse Helms (R.-N.C.) ran into Mosely-Braun in a Capitol elevator.
Helms turned to his friend, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah), and said,
“Watch me make her cry. I’m going to make her cry. I’m going to sing ‘Dixie’ until she cries.”
He then proceeded to sing the song about “the good life” during slavery to Mosely-Braun (Gannett News Service, 9/2/93; Time, 8/16/93) -Wikkipedia
There is a name for guy that would do that, but decorum prevents me from using it.
Rest in peace, Jesse.
More Jesse Gems from Wikipedia:
“While working on the 1950 Democrat primary campaign of Willis Smith against Frank Porter Graham, Helms helped create an ad that read “White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories? Frank Graham favors mingling of the races.”
“Another ad featured photographs Helms himself had doctored to illustrate the allegation that Graham’s wife had danced with a black man.” (Oh! doctored photos!! LOL)
“Helms once claimed that “The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. “Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian.”"
God bless ya, Jess…
‘Flat screen TVs: giving the world’s climate a roasting?’
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19217/1066/1/1/
“Air Products, a manufacturer of the NF3 gas, contends that very little of the gas is released to the atmosphere. If it isn’t released, it can’t contribute to global warming.
And at least one scientist backs that position.
Paul Fraser, chief research scientist at the CSIRO’s marine and atmospheric research centre told ABC Radio in Australia that: “We haven’t observed it in the atmosphere. It’s probably there in very low concentrations. The key to whether it’s a problem or not is how much is released to the atmosphere… that could be as low as one percent [of production].” ”
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Nike shoes used to use sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) in the “air” pockets.
Nathaniel is a polite, “Christian” person. /sarcasm OFF
MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812
“THE BTICH QUITS!”
Nathaniel posted June 7, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“I guess I can’t wear my T-Shirt now…
LIFE IS A %$#%$, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?“
P_Mama,
I am sorry for the loss of your friend. May you be comforted in your time of loss by the Holy Comforter.
Cosmos,
So is there a recycling plan for the flat acreens?
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Tiller wasn’t charged . . . in Kansas! And you still don’t get it? Try changing the laws.
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kfg was comparing Libby and Tiller, I said apples and oranges. I also added that if Tiller was under federal perjury charges he would be convicted for sure.
Of course it doesn’t help when you butt into a discussion with an unloaded weapon there walker. :D
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The title of this thread is “Open”, in case you forgot. As such, I’ll “butt” in anytime I wish.
As for an unloaded weapon: Didn’t anybody ever tell you there is no such thing as an unloaded weapon? Or is it the fact you cons never had any ammo to load in the first place, so you have no idea what a loaded weapon is, only bigoted speculation!
And convicted for what? Perjury? I would appreciate your informing us exactly where and when he committed perjury, weapons boy. And feel free to report exactly what law, by section and paragraph, he supposedly broke. Gee, sound familiar?
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Here’s a quarter J M, go buy yourself a clue. :)
Recycling electronics… the top computer manufacturers all offer safe disposal programs these days: http://www.apple.com/environment/
Even, dude, Dell: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/dell_recycling?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
And retail stores do too: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=pcmcat149900050025&DCMP=rdr0001422
Apple even publishes a list of materials banned from their products as well as rules for their manufacturing partners.
Americans replace their TV every ten years, on average. So there is plenty of time to ramp up programs even more.
I own 2 guns, and I’m concerned about the mounting gun violence in our society. Don’t read anymore than that in this; I’m attaching this because I think it”s funny:
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For those that don’t know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an ‘Australian treasure!’
General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently.
This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of an ABC interview between a female
broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military headquarters.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
We’re going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Shooting! That’s a bit irresponsible, isn’t it?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don’t see why, they’ll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Don’t you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don’t see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
But you’re equipping them to become killers.
GENERAL COSGROVE:
Well, Ma’am, you’re equipped to be a prostitute, but you’re not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended.
Here’s a quarter J M, go buy yourself a clue. :)
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It’s quite obvious I could never get one from you, as you don’t have one:-)
Obfuscate, dude, it’s the only thing you’re good at.
Obamanation is the most extreme abortion advocate in the U.S. Senate, adamantly supporting partial-birth and live-birth abortions, and vowing to discard federal laws banning the abhorrent practices, and even HE says the Sedgwick County grand jury should not allow mental health exceptions for post-viable abortions, such as those justified so that mothers would not be depressed over missing rodeos or music concerts.
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Obamanation recently announced his support of the proposed International Violence Against Women Act, a bill the Family Violence Prevention Fund admits is designed to solidify ‘women’s access to reproductive health service.’
This is a complete sham. Violence and violent threats are often used to coerce mothers into abortion mills. The leading cause of death of pregnant women is homicide.
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Alabama abortionist quack Deborah Lyn Levich surrendered her medical license permanently Thursday, after state officials charged her with letting non-physicians commit illegal abortions and other improper practices. The Summit Medical Center abortion mill was permanently closed in June 2006 after state health officials found numerous violations, including illegal late-term abortion. Levich did not file papers to renew her license and let it expire in February 2007 though she was still licensed in Georgia, where she lives.
Summit Medical Centers operates seven abortion mills in five states.
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Some construction companies like Walsh Construction Co. of Oregon are refusing to work on abortion mills or facilities for Planned Parenthood, not because they are pro-life or squeamish about mangling, dismembering, poisoning, or beheading babies, but because they fear pro-life demonstrations and the associated bad publicity and general ill will of the community. They don’t want to have to explain to their children why pro-lifers are holding up disturbing, gruesome signs outside their house, either.
Business gets tougher and tougher for Planned Parenthood, America’s busiest taxpayer-funded abortionist.
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Meshia Morant, 30, likely an illegal immigrant from Jamaica, faces attempted murder charges in Lauderdale Lakes, FL for attempting to throw out her newborn baby girl in a garbage bag, after giving birth on June 14.
Since Florida’s safe haven law was enacted in 2000, 19 infants have been legally abandoned or illegally thrown out in alleys and garbage bins.
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“What is really at stake is whether or not America will allow the cultural high ground in this nation to sink slowly into an abyss of slime to placate people who clearly seek or are willing
to destroy the Judaic-Christian foundations of this republic.”
. . . U.S. Senator Jesse Helms, 1990, on funding for the National Endowment for the Arts
Correction:
Since Florida’s safe haven law was enacted in 2000, 19 infants have been legally abandoned or illegally thrown out in alleys and garbage bins across Broward County.
“and even HE (Obama) says the Sedgwick County grand jury should not allow mental health exceptions for post-viable abortions, such as those justified so that mothers would not be ‘depressed over missing rodeos or music concerts’.”
WOW !!! parkay, thanks for the post!
Good post littlejohn,
“Feel free to post away. Again, first amendment and all that. You just show us your “liberal, progressive mind compassion”.”
Hypocrites all I’d say.
The poodle is dancing away instead of being with his family.
(like the tween has a family)
Parkay you and millions of other Republicans have had numerous opportunities to nd abortion but have not done so.
How much money do YOU make off of keeping abortion legal?
Meaning of Flag Draped Coffin
All Americans should be given this lesson. Those who think that America is an arrogant nation should really reconsider that thought. Our founding fathers used GOD’s word and teachings to establish our Great Nation and I think it’s high time Americans get re-educated about this Nation’s history. Pass it along and be proud of the country we live in and even more proud of those who serve to protect our ‘GOD GIVEN’ rights and freedoms.
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I hope you take the time to read this … To understand what the flag draped coffin really means … Here is how to understand the flag that laid upon it and is surrendered to so many widows and widowers.
Do you know that at military funerals, the 21-gun salute stands for the sum of the numbers in the year 1776?
Have you ever noticed the honor guard pays meticulous attention to correctly folding the United States of America Flag 13 times? You probably thought it was to symbolize the original 13 colonies, but we learn something new every day!
The 1st fold of the flag is a symbol of life.
The 2nd fold is a symbol of the belief in eternal life.
The 3rd fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing the ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of the country to attain peace throughout the world.
The 4th fold represents the weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance.
The 5th fold is a tribute to the country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, ‘Our Country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong.’
The 6th fold is for where people’s hearts lie. It is with their heart that They pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Of America, and the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
The 7th fold is a tribute to its Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that they protect their country and their flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of their republic.
The 8th fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day.
The 9th fold is a tribute to womanhood, and Mothers. For it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded.
The 10th fold is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of their country since they were first born.
The 11th fold represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies in the Hebrews eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The 12th fold represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in the Christians eyes, God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.
The 13th fold, or when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding them of their nations motto, ‘In God We Trust.’
After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the Sailors and Marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for them the rights, privileges and freedoms they enjoy today.
There are some traditions and ways of doing things that have deep meaning. In the future, you’ll see flags folded and now you will know why.
Share this with the children you love and all others who love what is referred to, the symbol of ‘Liberty and Freedom.’
MAYBE THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD READ THIS EXPLANATION BEFORE THEY RENDER THEIR DECISION ON THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
FORWARD IT; MAYBE SOMEONE WITH THE NECESSARY POWER, OR POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL INFLUENCE, WILL GET IT TO THEM.
IN THE MEANTIME, MAY GOD PROTECT US ALWAYS.
ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
Have a happy & Safe 4th!
http://www.snopes.com/military/flagfold.asp
Wichita’s Future Water-Supply Plan Moves Ahead
Date: July 3, 2008
Contact: Angela Cato, communications specialist, Water Utilities
E-mail: ACato@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4506
Work continues on the City of Wichita’s plan to develop a new future water supply. Tuesday, the Wichita City Council unanimously approved five design contracts that focus on a significant portion of the project’s infrastructure. The contracts total more than $5.7 million and will provide services to complete 30% of the design work for the projected facilities. The contracts were awarded to the following companies:
* Camp Dresser & McKee Inc., $2.3 million, water treatment plant
* Camp Dresser & McKee Inc., $1.8 million, pipeline and intake
* Burns and McDonnell, $954,240, recharge and recovery wells
* CH2M Hill, $424,450, Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition systems
* CH2M Hill, $240,785, overhead power lines
The water-supply plan, known as the Equus Beds Aquifer Storage and Recovery (ASR) project, was initiated by the city’s Water Utilities Department after it was determined that the demand for water in our community will exceed the capacity of our water supply in the next decade. Through the ASR project, Wichita will receive the water it needs through the year 2050 by taking excess water flow out of the Little Arkansas River, treating it to meet water-quality standards and pumping it underground into the Equus Beds aquifer for later use. Phase I of the ASR project was completed in 2006 with the capacity to pump up to 10 million gallons of water a day into the aquifer.
The newly approved design contracts are part of Phase II that will increase production to 30 million gallons of water a day. After its four phases are completed, the ASR project will be capable of producing up to 100 million gallons of water a day, adding up to 65 billion gallons of water to the Equus Beds aquifer.
Actually, on the flag folding, it is folded twice length-wise and eleven times as triangles. If you for some reason don’t do this, it will never look right. (10.5 folds or 11.5-12 folds)
If folded properly there will be a little red showing and it is tucked into the blue star triangle.
Did this for several years as I was on the honor guard funeral detail in the Air Force in early service.
Hadn’t heard that story before, but it’s a nice sentiment, no objections to it whatsoever.
I FOUND it! And I am watching it right now.
Yeah it is kinda campy.
But I have always identified with John Adams, an agent of change and agitation.
From “1776″
“Adams:
Is anybody there?
Does anybody care?
Does anybody see what I see?
They want to me to quit; they say
John, give up the fight
Still to England I say
Good night, forever, good night!
For I have crossed the Rubicon
Let the bridge be burned behind me
Come what may, come what may
Commitment!
The croakers all say we’ll rue the day
There’ll be hell to pay in fiery purgatory
Through all the gloom, through all the gloom
I see the rays of ravishing light and glory!
Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
Does anybody see what I see?
I see fireworks! I see the pagaent and
Pomp and parade
I hear the bells ringing out
I hear the cannons roar
I see Americans – all Americans
Free forever more
How quiet, how quiet the chamber is
How silent, how silent the chamber is
Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
Does anybody see what I see?”
Does anybody see what I see?
“The 13th fold, or when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding them of their nations motto, ‘In God We Trust.’”
I do believe it is folded more than 13 folds, when folded at the graveside, anyway… Seen it done hundreds of times…
Maybe it just seems like more than 13 folds, since they do it SO slow… SLO MO
Jesus-Loving Americans Totally Ignorant of Jesus, Religion
A shocking new book proves Americans are simultaneously the most “religious” and the most religiously ignorant people in the developed world. Overwhelming majorities of Our Fellow Citizens don’t know anything about the Bible, the teachings of Jesus or even the 10 Commandments they want posted everywhere. (Could Christians want those ancient laws displayed at every government building so they can learn one or two?)
We’ve got a shameful list of things Americans don’t know about their beloved religion, after the jump.
By every single measure except “formal education,” Americans are dramatically stupider than they were a few generations ago, while they wouldn’t even be able to communicate with normal people of the 19th Century. The calamitous decline of the American brain means your fellow citizens are culturally, linguistically, mathematically, technically, politically and civically illiterate.
But the way people go on about Jesus and how the Terrorist Muslims are coming to take away our precious freedoms guaranteed by Jesus to each American, you’d think they at least knew some goddamned simple bible stories. No. They actually don’t know anything about anything.
* 98% of Americans profess belief in a monotheistic God, with 81% claiming to be “Christian.”
* The USA is the “only developed nation in the survey where a majority of citizens reported that religion plays a ‘very important’ role in their lives.”
* Other recent surveys show only 58% to 80% of Americans are “certain” there’s a God.
* 75% of adults believe the famed Benjamin Franklin saying “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the Ten Commandments.
* On CNN today, the two anchors and the religion reporter and presumably the producers and directors and editors did not know Benjamin Franklin is responsible for “God helps those who help themselves,” with the religion reporter specifically claiming that “nobody” wrote the saying.
* “A 2005 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that nearly two-thirds of Americans endorse the simultaneous teaching of creationism and evolution in public schools,” despite the former’s insistence that the latter isn’t true and never happened.
* 10% believe Joan of Arc was the wife of Noah from the Book of Genesis.
* The decline of religious literacy in America began with the “Second Great Awakening” of the 1800s — a rejection of the Founding Fathers’ Age of Reason and theological knowledge in favor of “personal relationship with God” quackery that led to today’s brain-dead born-agains.
* George W. Bush, himself a religious illiterate who claims to be a born-again Christian whose “favorite philosopher” is Jesus, excitedly jabbers about a Third Great Awakening, which will surely end with people sitting on toilets in their living rooms watching 24-hour live video feeds of Paris Hilton shooting heroin while pooping on a Koran.
* 50% of high school seniors believe Sodom and Gomorrah were married. (They were actually just part of an early “sister cities” Chamber of Commerce program.)
* 17% agree that Ramadan is the “Jewish day of atonement.”
* Most believe Saint Paul led the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.
* Only one in three Americans can name the four Gospels, while less than half can even name one of them.
* A majority couldn’t identify the preacher of the “Sermon on the Mount.” (Hint: The Bible says it was Jesus.)
* Religious fundamentalists say all this Christian ignorance is because public schools don’t teach the Bible, but people don’t know anything public schools do teach, either.
* Besides, “evangelical Christians are only slightly more knowledgeable than their non-evangelical counterparts,” so those megachurches aren’t exactly instructing the faithful.
Hooray for Jesus!
We live in the land of biblical idiots [LA Times]
MonkeyHawk tries so hard to elevate himself above people of faith.
I wonder who they surveyed for these questions anyway?
Let’s see if I can crack a few egg shells.
Only one in three Americans can name the four Gospels, while less than half can even name one of them.
At about ages 6-12, children of the churches I attended, as well as other children I have known and met at church camp, memorized all names of books of the Bible by way of a song. The New Testament was usually taught first, because the Old Testament had trickier names to pronounce.
Most believe Saint Paul led the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.
This is a Bible story taught to the young children as well. Every child that I grew up, knew the story of Moses, from his birth up to the exile.
75% of adults believe the famed Benjamin Franklin saying “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the Ten Commandments.
Again, this is taught to children and they memorize it.
I could go on, but this survey in this book is nonsense. Perhaps those non-church goers who believe in a deity may not know. But I’m willing to challenge that if the book’s author would have stopped in most churches that had a good Sunday School, he/she would have found some children that knew their Bible and its stories well.
Ignorance must be bliss for MonkeyHawk. If he only knew how foolish he really looks to those brought up in the Word of God.
The referenced article that MonkeyHawk provides is pure rubbish.
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Biblical scholar “Regular” offers –
Most believe Saint Paul led the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.
“This is a Bible story taught to the young children…”
75% of adults believe the famed Benjamin Franklin saying “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the Ten Commandments.
“Again, this is taught to children and they memorize it.”
But Biblical scholar “Regular” goes on to prove irony is not dead with –
“Ignorance must be bliss for MonkeyHawk…”
Bliss? That’s probably overstating it, Biblical Scholar “Regular,” but your ignorances is quite entertaining!
I can answer without even looking.
Moses led the Isrelites from Egypt, and the four gospels are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
I never heard memorization techniques, of course, I went to a church where kids weren’t separated from parents and we all heard the same sermons…with actual bible readings and discussion multiple times per week.
If you’ve ever listened to one of those born again sermons, they inject so much CRAP and speak so fast that you can’t even stop to think about what is being said. Perhaps that’s the problem. They also pick and choose scripture that fits into what they want, often not even bothering to read the context in which it was written.
I did this experiment the other day while driving down the road listening to one of these popular Christian preachers, and that’s all it was was a lot of yammering. I swear they’ve got this down to a science that they say a few buzzwords to get the heads nodding, and then they can pretty much ramble on about crazy crap all they want.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 5, 2008 at 4:09 am | Permalink
Biblical scholar “Regular” offers –
Most believe Saint Paul led the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.
“This is a Bible story taught to the young children…”
75% of adults believe the famed Benjamin Franklin saying “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the Ten Commandments.
“Again, this is taught to children and they memorize it.”
But Biblical scholar “Regular” goes on to prove irony is not dead with –
“Ignorance must be bliss for MonkeyHawk…”
Bliss? That’s probably overstating it, Biblical Scholar “Regular,” but your ignorances is quite entertaining!
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A nice cut and paste from what I wrote MonkeyHawk.
Too bad you left out the parts where I contested what you wrote.
You see folks, this is exactly what the progressive liberals do. They are intellectually dishonest and misrepresent the facts.
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Regular
Posted July 5, 2008 at 3:31 am | Permalink
MonkeyHawk tries so hard to elevate himself above people of faith.
I wonder who they surveyed for these questions anyway?
Let’s see if I can crack a few egg shells.
Only one in three Americans can name the four Gospels, while less than half can even name one of them.
At about ages 6-12, children of the churches I attended, as well as other children I have known and met at church camp, memorized all names of books of the Bible by way of a song. The New Testament was usually taught first, because the Old Testament had trickier names to pronounce.
Most believe Saint Paul led the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.
This is a Bible story taught to the young children as well. Every child that I grew up, knew the story of Moses, from his birth up to the exile.
75% of adults believe the famed Benjamin Franklin saying “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the Ten Commandments.
Again, this is taught to children and they memorize it.
I could go on, but this survey in this book is nonsense. Perhaps those non-church goers who believe in a deity may not know. But I’m willing to challenge that if the book’s author would have stopped in most churches that had a good Sunday School, he/she would have found some children that knew their Bible and its stories well.
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This is classic: Ever watch are you smarter than a fifth grader? You know why nobody’s won a million on it? 90% of all they learned during those grades went out the window. Same thing with bible school. I went through 12 grades in Catholic school, and if asked, I probably couldn’t answer a tenth of the questions asked. Why? Over 50 years have passed. Reading the catechism is something I’ve not done since then: it was school work.
Nope, reg, your attempt at slamming MonkeyHawk means nada, and is itself intellectually dishonest. Try again: the egg’s still intact.
Again Walker, you side with misrepresentation and untruthfulness.
You character, once respected, has gone down the toilet.
“Regular” his the whine early this morning with –
“… you left out the parts where I contested what you wrote.”
Contested?!
Ha!
First off, you left out the bulk of the researchers’ findings when you responded above.
Second, the complete text of the research is a scroll or two up, for all to see. (You’re probably one of those who thinks Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife; or that Sodom and Gomorrah were married!)
And third, you contested nothing. You found a couple of items you disagreed with and told us that, in your experience, children are taught “God helps those who help themselves” is one of the 10 Commandments; thereby revealing yourself to be a fool.
“…his the whine…” = “… hits the whine…”
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Regular
Posted July 5, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
Again Walker, you side with misrepresentation and untruthfulness.
You character, once respected, has gone down the toilet.
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I have no problem with not being respected by you and your ilk. In fact, I accept it as a compliment. I would expect you are thought of in the same way:-)
As for siding with “misrepresentation and untruthfulness”, that appears to be in the mind of some readers, but those same readers also believe bush is a great president. Go figure.
What I brought to the table was fact. If it weren’t, there would be no “smarter than a fifth grader” show:-) Hey, apply for the show and do it, reg. Show us all here just how intelligent you really are. I know I could use a good laugh. Don’t forget to flush when you leave.
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Pmom, I just got an email that said your friend was also our lobbyist in the 06 session and even when she wasnt on the payroll, she helped us anytime she could. She was deeply committed to equality and justice.
I didnt recognize the name, but now I know who she is.
Jesus WEPT!
We cant afford to lose any good people in this state, and she was one of the best.
Oops, I meant to post that on today’s open thread.
Mr. Twain Offers a Lesson on Patriotism
By Scott Horton
It was March 16, 1901. A lanky man with elegant and flowing white hair and a prominent moustache strode to the podium. He hardly needed an introduction: the audience would immediately have recognized what was arguably the best-known face in America. The event was a meeting of the Male Teachers Association of the City of New York. It was a convivial gathering for dinner at the Albert Hotel in Greenwich Village, at the corner of University Place and Eleventh Street.
The first speaker, Charles H. Skinner, the New York Superintendent of Education, had offered up some words on “Patriotism for the Young,” the need for a better civics curriculum. The need was for children “who are citizens.” “We do not care to own Cuba, Porto-Rico or the Philippines, but we do want to keep them from the dark rule of a barbarian people,” Mr. Skinner offered, reflecting the views so closely associated with President William McKinley. The “barbarian people” were, of course, the Filipinos themselves. Only a few weeks earlier, McKinley had said, of the Philippines: “There was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them.” In fact, Rudyard Kipling’s poem, “The White Man’s Burden,” published in McClure’s little more than a year earlier, bore the subtitle: “The United States and the Philippines.” America had assumed a new mission, as a policeman to the whole world, but as a missionary for Christianity and democracy in its own special corner. The notion of Manifest Destiny stretched at last beyond the Americas, into the lands over which the European powers had contended for the last century or so.
The talk of the day focused on a part of the Philippines where Christianity had not taken root. It was of the Moro insurgency in the southern stretch of the archipelago. The insurrection was dragging on longer than America’s military leaders had envisioned. And the first reports had reached America of the use of highly coercive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, by American officers. Unlike the situation that the country would face a century later, however, America’s leaders—prominently including Vice President Theodore Roosevelt, who would assume the presidency in only a few months–condemned these practices and insisted on sharp punishment for those involved. Several officers found themselves facing a court-martial in proceedings which would clearly establish waterboarding as a serious crime.
Perhaps when he took the podium Mark Twain had these stories in mind. He put down his cigar.
Yes, patriotism. We cannot all agree. That is most fortunate. If we could all agree life would be too dull. I believe if we did all agree, I would take my departure before my appointed time, that is if I had the courage to do so. I do agree in fact with what Mr. Skinner has said. In fact, more than I usually agree with other people. I believe that there are no private citizens in a republic. Every man is an official. Above all, he is a policeman. He does not need to wear a helmet and brass buttons, but his duty is to look after the enforcement of the laws.
If patriotism had been taught in the schools years ago, the country would not be in the position it is in to-day. Mr. Skinner is better satisfied with the present conditions than I am. I would teach patriotism in the schools, and teach it this way: I would throw out the old maxim, ‘My country, right or wrong,’ etc., and instead I would say, ‘My country when she is right.’ Because patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it.
So I would not take my patriotism from my neighbor or from Congress. I should teach the children in the schools that there are certain ideals, and one of them is that all men are created free and equal. Another that the proper government is that which exists by the consent of the governed. If Mr. Skinner and I had to take care of the public schools, I would raise up a lot of patriots who would get into trouble with his.
I should also teach the rising patriot that if he ever became the Government of the United States and made a promise that he should keep it. I will not go any further into politics as I would get excited, and I don’t like to get excited. I prefer to remain calm. I have been a teacher all my life, and never got a cent for teaching.
Reconstructed from New York City newspaper accounts.
“Because patriotism is supporting your country all the time, but your government only when it deserves it.”
Perhaps the most succinct and important words regarding patriotism every stated.
Thank you, Mr. Hawk.
Paul Simon lead the Israelites out of Egypt, singing “Me and Julio Down By the Schoolyard” and Moses built a bridge over trouble waters that collapsed when Yul Brenner tried to cross it.
Everyone knows that.
Ohh…. did you see the news about the ancient Hebrew tablet that shows a Jewish tradition predicted a messiah would rise after being dead for 3 days?
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