At last they admit that there is no consensus — but they lament that fact as a bad thing — because it tends to “confuse” people. Dr Goebbels would agree. Intellectual diversity and debate are OUT! Excerpt:
When science is testing new ideas, the result is often a two-papers-forward-one-paper-back intellectual tussle among competing research teams. When the work touches on issues that worry the public, affect the economy or polarize politics, the news media and advocates of all stripes dive in. Under nonstop scrutiny, conflicting findings can make news coverage veer from one extreme to another, resulting in a kind of journalistic whiplash for the public.
This has been true for decades in health coverage. But lately the phenomenon has been glaringly apparent on the global warming beat. Discordant findings have come in quick succession. How fast is Greenland shedding ice? Did human-caused warming wipe out frogs in the American tropics? Has warming strengthened hurricanes? Have the oceans stopped warming? These questions endure even as the basic theory of a rising human influence on climate has steadily solidified: accumulating greenhouse gases will warm the world, erode ice sheets, raise seas and have big impacts on biology and human affairs.
Scientists see persistent disputes as the normal stuttering journey toward improved understanding of how the world works. But many fear that the herky-jerky trajectory is distracting the public from the undisputed basics and blocking change. “One of the things that troubles me most is that the rapid-fire publication of unsettled results in highly visible venues creates the impression that the scientific community has no idea what’s going on,” said W. Tad Pfeffer, an expert on Greenland’s ice sheets at the University of Colorado. “Each new paper negates or repudiates something emphatically asserted in a previous paper,” Dr. Pfeffer said. “The public is obviously picking up on this not as an evolution of objective scientific understanding but as a proliferation of contradictory opinions.”
Several experts on the media and risk said that one result could be public disengagement with the climate issue just as experts are saying ever more forcefully that sustained attention and action are needed to limit the worst risks. Recent polls in the United States and Britain show that the public remains substantially divided and confused over what is happening and what to do. Some environmentalists have blamed energy-dependent industries and the news media for stalemates on climate policy, arguing that they perpetuate a false sense of uncertainty about the basic problem.
………..YOU and your denial brethren ARE part of the problem old man. Our entire world must start making changes and sacrifices. Your archaic religious views close your mind to real science. Until you get over your literal interpretation of an ancient “history” book, you will remain in the dark ages.
……………I am pleny calm old man. Everytime you deny real science you are doing so because of your faulty idea of what science really is. Your view that the earth is only 6000-8000 years old comes from your literal interpretation of a translation of a translation of a translation……..
This gives you NO credibilty to contribute or discuss matters of real science, i.e. Global Climate Change.
Hank..I heard back from Capt Joe Dessenberger and Captain Speer. According to these bureau commanders, traffic cops ARE called to emergencies in progress. They also handle routine requests for service when needed. I don’t know where you got your information, but it is not accurate.
I probably know a lot more about science than you ever will.
Ironically, I’m also a better teacher than you will ever be!
I was a student and an instructor for a great man that was arguably one of the best educators of the last century.
I have impeccable credentials and you are little more than light entertainment in the mornings.
The very fact that you are reduced to attacking my faith daily is proof that your argument is devoid of any merit. It is a testimony to the failure of your life.
“They also handle routine requests for service when needed. ”
I wonder what the ‘policy’ is for determining ‘when needed’.
They do not routinely answer 911 calls. A large percentage of the officers on duty at any one time do not.
This is not a criticism, just a fact. There are four divisions, each division has two officers that are assigned traffic control. They are not routinely dispatched on 911 calls and very seldom do.
After our exchange the other day I checked with a couple of my police officer friends, one a detective and one a swat team member. They prefer to remain anonymous but that is where I got my information.
Mr.Price are you claiming that you represent a majority of people on your side?
Since you say there is no problem with human caused global warming then there is no need to switch to an alternate form of energy.
What are your qualifications other than being a good ole boy with access to the Google do you have? I mean really Mr.Price or should we just have faith in you because you said so?
Such a scientist you are HLP. The other day you posted a portion of a scientific paper about ancient tree lines in Siberia. Basically, the paper from which the excerpt was lifted concluded that temperatures must have been warmer from about 9,000 to 3,000 (approximately) years ago in Siberia because the tree line advanced northward.
My, question, Mr. Scientist is this: The paper also concluded that the tree line was able to proceed northward because the shoreline itself was located much further north than today. How do you account for that?
Bush White House Hides True Scope of Federal Deficit
(Manassas, Virginia) The following is a statement by Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, regarding the White House projection of a $482 Billion deficit for Fiscal Year 2009:
“The White House has issued figures indicating that President Bush and his enablers in Congress will leave his successor with a budget deficit of $482 Billion for Fiscal Year 2009, which is a record. How’s that for a legacy?
“As shocking as this deficit figure is, that’s still not the true scope of our budget woes because it excludes $80 Billion in war costs and $227 Billion borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund.
“The real budget deficit is therefore $789 Billion.
“Under accounting trickery that would probably land the top officers of a publicly traded company in jail, the money borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund–and spent on anything and everything except Social Security payments–is not counted towards the budget deficit, although it is part of our $9.49 Trillion National Debt.
“It’s way past time for Washington politicians to have their own Sarbanes-Oxley.
“But this is how corrupt Washington has become. Besides the dangerous practice of massive deficit spending, which will saddle our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of debt, the Bush White House and Congress are conspiring to conceal the true nature and scope of the problem.
“This year’s budget deficit will actually be $307 Billion worse than the politicians are saying. This fraud on the American people is a conspiracy of silence by both major political parties.
“In stunning hypocrisy, the White House blamed the record budget deficit on the slowing economy and the $150 Billion stimulus package passed earlier this year.
“No, Mr. President, the buck stops with you. Stand up and accept the responsibility–and your legacy–for massively expanding government.”
I remember before the daily cut ‘n paste posts began that Hank told us he had found a place with a year’s worth (memory might be wrong on numbers) of opinion pieces opposing the accepted science of global climate change. He further told us he would be posting one a day (for whatever the period was). I made up my mind at that point those would be scroll overs. I don’t think he even cares what they say just as long as they keep the subject stirred up, without much effort.
Seems he has done just that — kept the subject stirred up. And, guess what? If all who participate would just ignore you wouldn’t be playing into his hand.
Has anyone changed someones opinion yet? If that happens can you announce it in a spectacular way so I can take note that something new was brought to the discussion?
Published on Friday, June 13, 2003 by
The New Right Wing Agenda
by Steven E. Miller
The amazing thing is that the right wing fundamentalists have been able to seize power and win a large amount of support – or at least acquiescence — among the US electorate. The people I talk with point to a number of contextual reasons. First, this country lacks any significant institutionalized alternative. The Democratic Party is both complicit and fratricidal. The labor movement is the only really powerful potential organized opposition, but they are ideologically scattered, organizationally weak, and under unremitting attack. In addition, the powerful role of money in shaping our electoral outcomes is another key ingredient in the right wings success, as well as in keeping liberal (much less radical) alternatives from gaining influence in the Democratic Party. The increasing dominance of US media by an incredibly small number of incredibly right wing corporations has a powerful impact. The collapse of the Soviet Union, the lack of any significant “third way,” and the resulting feeling that there is “no viable alternative” has been a very important context for the right wings’ ability to present themselves as inevitable and unstoppable. Finally, the current climate of insecurity, fear, and even paranoia – which the government and media are successfully doing their utmost to deepen and expand – plays an important role in making it hard for opposition to find political space.
Using all these institutional-cultural supports, the reactionary clique has built a broad and powerful coalition. They’ve become a “big tent” for anti-abortionists (pulling in the Catholic right wing), anti-feminists (attracting not only status-concerned men but women who feel threatened by the loss of the “security and respect” given to traditional female roles), homophobes, anti-immigrant and anti-affirmative action groups (drawing on the racist undercurrents that always rise during periods of uncertainty, unrest, and change), gun advocates (pulling in huge numbers of rural and western voters), property-rights advocates (dipping into the traditional distrust of government bureaucracy), business advocates (offering a path forward to businesses increasingly pressed by foreign competition during an economic downturn), and more. And they’ve found ways to give everyone of these constituent groups immediate monetary, policy, and cultural-symbolic payoffs – further tightening their bonds to the government clique.
Most important, by wrapping themselves in the mantle of religion, the GOP leadership has made themselves a vehicle for the growing religious fundamentalist upsurge – parts of which can accurately be described as a fascist movement. Having god on your side means you are always right, no matter what other people may think or how events may fall out. You simply never have to say you are sorry, and all your failures are the result of evil forces beyond your control. Being on a Crusade, having an absolutist and deeply ideological sense of mission, also underpins the right wing’s willingness to use all the power at their command – legal and extra-legal – to push for a maximal agenda. No matter how thin their electoral margin of victory, once in office, they act without hesitation or compromise. They understand that success creates its own legitimacy and its own tailwind, pulling others along with it.
The scariest part is that the right wing lunatics feel that they’ll get away with it. Who remembers Afghanistan, or the absence of Iraqi’s supposed weapons of mass destruction? Who seems to care that our economy is collapsing? In the short term, Bush and company win not because of smarter strategies or brilliant tactics, but because they have access to overwhelming resources and power and they can simply outlast everyone and everything else. In fact, they are so incompetent and so blind to the complexities of the real world that they will make huge mistakes. So it is possible (but not inevitable) that the world situation will spin out of control and the small clique now running the country will have to pass the baton to others in 2004 or 2008. But we should not underestimate their willingness to keep imposing their will through direct (or indirect) force — the racism, lies, manipulation, and violence used to secure the 2000 election are likely to be repeated or exceeded in coming years.
Don’t worry about it Ms. Inks. I’ve read some of Hank’s posts and scrolled over others. Sometimes I use them to expose the “lie of the day.” Sometimes I use them to learn. Generally, HLP’s are lifted in their entirety from some blog or other, and consist of disjointed excerpts from several sources, most of which reach exactly the opposite conclusion Hank has made. He’s just another nasty old curmudgeon, probably striking five-year-olds with his cane as we speak.
Nathan writes on yesterday’s “open thread” that “I have never said that all liberals are cowards.”
Thank you for going on record with that admission, Nathan.
You might want to see if you can get Hank to go along with you on that:
Nothing gets a liberal’s panties in a wad faster than a good ol’ American company making a profit.
This implies that all liberals wear “panties,” i.e., we’re effeminate, sissies, gay etc.
Hank Price
Posted September 29, 2006 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
What I mind is liberal politicians openly undermining our Comander-in-Chief and our military’s efforts to win this war for no other reason than to keep their sorry butts in office one more election cycle.
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In other words, liberals are traitors.
Traitors should be shot.
And one of your guys did exactly that in Knoxville.
Examples of hate-speech that leads to right-wing terrorism:
“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for.”
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that’s sort of where we are in today’s world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn’t exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution.”
- Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), Associated Press, 04-22-03
“I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”
- Pat Robertson, speaking of organizers putting rainbow flags up around Orlando to support sexual diversity, Washington Post, 06-10-98. For the record, Orlando remains undestroyed by meteors.
“Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I’m proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans.”
- Rep. Don Young (R-AK), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96
“I don’t understand how poor people think.”
- George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, New York Times, 08-26-03
“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98
“We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”
- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”
- Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02
“Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.”
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-18-95
“Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past - I’m not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble - recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin’s penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an ‘enemy of the people.’ The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, ‘clan liability.’ In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished ‘to the ninth degree’: that is, everyone in the offender’s own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed.”
- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01
“Probably nothing.”
- Jeb Bush, during his losing 1994 bid for Florida Governor, when asked what he would do for black people, quoted by Salon on 10-05-02
“The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler’s.”
- Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA), The New Republic, 08-01-94
“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.”
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-21-93
“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
- Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, NPR Morning Edition, 05-25-01
“Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies.”
- State Rep. John Graham Altman (R-SC), addressing African-American concerns about the ’symbol’ of the Confederate Flag, New York Times, 01-24-97
“Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God’s Law and the disenfranchisement of White men.”
- State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), emailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by the Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01
“NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you’ve got to be a lesbian.”
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
Regular writes, that “It appears that a mentally deranged man shot the people at the church.”
Correct.
And what deranged him seems to be listening to the hate of the right wing. He chose that church specifically because it was liberal.
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What if the man was a fan of Marvel Comics
““But this is how corrupt Washington has become. Besides the dangerous practice of massive deficit spending, which will saddle our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of debt, the Bush White House and Congress are conspiring to conceal the true nature and scope of the problem.”
Aint it the truth.
But hey, who’s counting? We’re STILL safe from gay marriage…
“And what deranged him seems to be listening to the hate of the right wing”
According to capn, listening to the radio drove him nuts. Never once considering the possibility the guy was nuts beforehand..nope..DOCTOR capn has diagnosed this. case closed…anyone who listens to that kind of radio is obviously going to go shoot people.
Sorry the pro-science post (to contradict Hank’s anti-science posts) is late today but it’s my day off so I don’t get up at 5am.
Evolution Of Skull And Mandible Shape In Cats
ScienceDaily (July 29, 2008) — In a new study published in the online-open access journal PLoS ONE, Per Christiansen at the Zoological Museum in Copenhagen, Denmark, reports the finding that the evolution of skull and mandible shape in sabercats and modern cats were governed by different selective forces, and the two groups evolved very different adaptations to killing.
The cat family comprises some of the most specialised carnivores in the history of mammals, all exclusively eating flesh. The cat family consists of two major sub-groups: the feline cats (including all modern species) and the sabertoothed cats (which are all extinct). Skeletons from the two groups look broadly similar, but their skulls are often remarkably different, and suggest that members of the two groups underwent radically different adaptations to predation during the course of evolution.
“The real Chaplain, Howell Forgy, aboard the USS New Orleans (Pearl Harbor); during the Japanese attack, was that chaplain]. He was a Lieutenant (j.g.) on that Sunday morning in December, 1941.
Another Lieutenant who had been in charge of an ammunition line on the USS New Orleans during the attack remembered.
“I heard a voice behind me saying, Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. I turned and saw Chaplain Forgy walking toward me along the line of men. He was patting the men on the back and making that remark to cheer them and keep them going. I know it helped me a lot, too”, he said.
Another lieutenant j.g. said, the men aboard the USS New Orleans would thereafter kid Chaplain Forgy about the role he played whenever they heard the song that had been written. They also encouraged him to set the record straight as to who actually said what. According to that same lieutenant the chaplain would decline, saying he felt “the episode should remain a legend rather than be associated with any particular person.” Author McDowell said that press reporters were eventually permitted to interview men of the USS New Orleans involved in the “ammunition” story. Chaplain Forgy’s superior officers set up a meeting with some of the press and; at last, the real story of the song and the man who had inspired it was finally confirmed.
In 1942, a recording by The Merry Macs reached number 8 on the Billboard chart. The 1943 version by Kay Kyser and His Orchestra reached number 1.
Loesser donated his royalties for sale of the song to the Navy Relief Society.”
Sure, police are not pyschiatrists. How would the PD know what drove the guy nuts? To claim that listening to the radio made him do it might just happen to suggest that the guy was out of balance before hand.
Talk radio gave him his target. As I have written many times, many Americans are mean and miserable, and Rush et ilk tell them why: It’s the liebruls. When it’s really them, or themselves, at the root of their discontent.
After Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., called Thursday for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, White House press secretary Scott McClellan accused him of endorsing “Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party” and called his stance a “surrender to the terrorists.”
Dick Cheney told Senator Leahy to “go f*ck yourself” on the floor of The Senate.
Ann Coulter said someone should “put rat poison in Justice Stevens’s crème brûlée.”
The CONs ran ads against Tom Daschle and Max Clelland (both decorated vets) with photos linking them to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
“Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason…Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy.” Ann Coulter
“It was a crushing defeat for the liberals, not because liberals were necessarily Communists, though many were, but because they had been morally blind to Communism…Liberal elites defended traitors. In response to the Soviet threat, the Democrats consistently counseled defeat, supplication, and retreat.” Ann Coulter
But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.
Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see … Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia.
Karl Rove
Participants at the Republic Party Convention wore Purple Heart band-aids to mock Senator John Kerry’s three purple hearts earned in combat.
Peter Jennings covering the Convention turned to Newt Gingrich: “Did you squirm a little when you saw the guy wearing the purple heart [band-aid]?” Gingrich: “No. I think it’s funny.”
Jerry Falwell blamed 9-11 on the ACLU, “Godlessness,” and gays. Pat Robertson agreed.
Jerry Falwell, founder of the right-wing PAC Moral Majority, produced a video claiming that the Clintons’ ran a cocaine ring and murdered Vince Foster.
Former Majority Leader and CON John Boehner repeatedly claimed Dems are more concerned with protecting terrorists than Americans.
Rumsfeld claimed that people who are against the war are the moral equivalent of Neville Chamberlain who advocated appeasement to Hitler.
As the conflict in Iraq is winding down and Iraq strives to fulfill its Democratic status in a chaotic Muslim world, it appears that the Commander-in-Chief, President George Bush was right.
The surge worked, Iraqis are returning to Iraq, there are talks of time tables for troop withdrawal.
Comic books and psychiatry have nothing to do with it.
The shooter hated liberals. If you don’t believe it, look at the USA Today story below “Suspect Hated Liberals.”
So he went to a place where liberals were to kill them.
Who taught him to hate liberals?
The right-wing.
End of story.
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Shooting suspect hated liberals
By Emily Bazar, USA TODAY
The man accused of shooting and killing two people in a Knoxville church Sunday wrote that he hated liberals, police said Monday.
Knoxville Police Chief Sterling Owen said investigators discovered a four-page letter in suspect Jim David Adkisson’s vehicle outside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, where the shooting occurred.
In the letter, Adkisson, 58, of Powell, Tenn., “repeatedly included disgust for what he perceived to be the liberals in our country,” Owen said.
Adkisson, charged with one count of first-degree murder, is scheduled to appear at a preliminary court hearing next Tuesday.
Police and witnesses said Adkisson pulled a 12-gauge shotgun out of a guitar case and opened fire while children performed Annie Jr. Sunday morning. He fired three times before members of the congregation tackled him. Seven adults were injured. Two had been released from the hospital, and the others remained in serious or critical condition Monday, Owen said.
“The intention was to shoot as many people as he could with the expectation he would be killed by the police,” Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam said.
ANTI
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Yeah, I mean I slap women and sell drugs, shoot up houses, because Dr. Dre and 50 cent told me to!
Sarcasm, in case you didn’t know(Chas).
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What church do you want to shoot up, ANTI?? Guess that USA Today article pretty much puts the whammy on your sick brand of what you think is “funny” /sarcasm
Yes, what our military helped to do was a great achievment. I don’t think anyone can doubt that. I don’t think it is as simple as “the surge worked” either. But what did the U.S. gain?
What church do you want to shoot up, ANTI?? Guess that USA Today article pretty much puts the whammy on your sick brand of what you think is “funny” /sarcasm
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Chas, Chas…Put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself.
And what have we gained from Iraq? What is the supposed “Dividend” that we are going to get from Iraq? Aside from the typical NEOCON drivel that they will be a partner in the war on terror. How will they be a partner in the war on terror? Is their army going to fight in Afghanistan?
Perhaps you should consider these questions before you go trying to tell people that the Conservatives were right all along and Liberals were wrong all along.
Once again, you sound like the typical NEOCON. You must be told that you were right and your opponents were wrong. It’s starting to sound very immature.
LLVET Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:58 am
Once again, you sound like the typical NEOCON. You must be told that you were right and your opponents were wrong. It’s starting to sound very immature.
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This folks is a lesson in “sour grapes 101.”
Regular
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
I wonder if Chas has one of those helmets with the mouthpiece attached?
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He does. I gave him one for his birthday, he was so excited…he peed a little.
Very little of what CapnAmerica calls hate speech is hate speech. And it is all pretty tame compared to a lot of the stuff liberals such as CapnAmerica write even on this blog and especially in their hateful leftists web sites.
I find it laughable that the main practitioner of divisive, finger pointing politics here is blaming the right and acting holier than thou. Sorry Capn, you’ve been sowing hate here for years. Now you get to reap the fruits of lost credibility.
“If the Left succeeds in gaining and retaining more power, the well-being of future generations will be at greater peril. I fear (our children) will inherit a nation that is less free and less secure than the nation we inherited from the last generation. It is therefore our job to stop them. Not just debate them, but defeat them.” — Sean Hannity
Dear Sean:
I found these words on page 11 of your book Let Freedom Ring. This book, and similar ones from your conservative colleagues Bill O’Reilly and Michael Savage, was found in the home of a man who read those words, internalized those words, and then loaded his shotgun.
“If the Left succeeds in gaining and retaining more power, the well-being of future generations will be at greater peril. I fear (our children) will inherit a nation that is less free and less secure than the nation we inherited from the last generation. It is therefore our job to stop them. Not just debate them, but defeat them.” — Sean Hannity
Dear Sean:
I found these words on page 11 of your book Let Freedom Ring. This book, and similar ones from your conservative colleagues Bill O’Reilly and Michael Savage, was found in the home of a man who read those words, internalized those words, and then loaded his shotgun.
Actually it is a lesson in the size of a neocons ego.
Or will you prove me wrong? Here is how: Tell me something that the conservatives were wrong about and the liberals were right about. Any one important decision where the Democrats were correct and the Republicans were wrong.
I will wait.
It’s not to late to support the Libertarians folks.
More from the open letter:
“I don’t know if you remember me, Sean, but I worked with you in Atlanta in the early 1990s, right as you got your big break with FOX News. I was an anchor and reporter (under the air name Candace Petersen) at WGST, your last low level stop before hitting the big time. I remember your last night on the air before you left for the big leagues. I approached you in your office, a cramped back room that I’m sure resembles a hovel compared to your FOX digs. I asked if you, during your last show, would tone down your rhetoric against gays and lesbians—stop demonizing our community for just one night. You refused. You explained to me, as if I were a child, that to do so would be to let your audience down. They expected you to go on the air and rant about how liberals, minorities, women and especially gays and lesbians were ruining our country. You simply had to oblige.”
“Even though you explained it simply, I still didn’t understand. Your Girl Friday—your most trusted assistant on your show was a young lesbian. She admired you, for some strange reason, and you two were close friends, lunching together, spending time together outside of work. You didn’t seem to have a problem with this particular lesbian. She wasn’t the one you kept blaming on the air for the downfall of democracy. No, you had two different lives then—one on the air, where you performed your outraged conservative act and one in real life, where you enjoyed your lesbian friend and seemed like a decent, sane fellow.”
And of course, we all know that Regular believes that the people in that liberal church got what they deserved…
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On the contrary Chas, I prayed for the souls of those lost and deeply scarred by the incident.
Ah, the “you do it too” defense . . . trotted out right on cue.
When a guy marches into Terry Fox’s church and opens fire because he “hates conservatives,” then I’ll admit I share some culpability.
That doesn’t happen, does it?
“Freemen” stand offs, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Tim McVey’s terrorist attack, the Alan Berg killing, the shots fired at liberal talk show hosts, the beating of Randi Rhoades, the Matthew Sheppard killing, the dragging death of a black man by whites in Texas . . .
Violence only seems to go in one direction lately, from CONs against liberals.
Still waiting Regular: Is Iraq going to fight in Afghanistan? Is Iraq going to find Osama bin Laden? Is Iraq going to stabilize Israel and the middle east? Is Iraq going to stabilize Turkey’s status as a member of NATO?
Answer those questions and I will gladly tell you that you were right, pat you on the head, and make you feel very smart.
It’s called freedom of speach Capn’A. The shooter was a GROWN MAN. HE has the responsibility to control himself. It is obvious that he had mental issues, this isn’t the fault of talk radio.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink
Still waiting Regular: Is Iraq going to fight in Afghanistan? Is Iraq going to find Osama bin Laden? Is Iraq going to stabilize Israel and the middle east? Is Iraq going to stabilize Turkey’s status as a member of NATO?
Answer those questions and I will gladly tell you that you were right, pat you on the head, and make you feel very smart.
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Beats me LLVET.
The Iraqi people are in charge of their own Democracy. They may not see any benefit in fighting in Afghanistan or at least it may cause hard feelings amongst their neighbors.
Iran, wouldn’t be pleased as Afghanistan and Iraq sandwich their country geographically.
With that said, the Iraqi government and people have the say whether to fight in Afghanistan.
I have my doubts they will though, they have too many challenges at home.
CapnHypocrite has no credibility. He, the constant hater of all things conservative, calls the right on alleged “hate speech”. He is also blind. He forgot to post the the horrific crime of the Carr brothers? Liberals.
Are there nasty things that happen in this world? Sure. but to try to tag it to an ideology that more than half this country believes in is just stupid. But consider the source.
So’s Thomas Sowell and Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas.
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The Carr Bros weren’t anything. They actually planned to attack another apartment but their victim wasn’t home. It was not a race-based crime or ideological.
They were simple criminal opportunists. Although I’m not in favor of the death penalty in general–it’s too easily misused–in this case, I was for it.
The Carr Bros. did the crimes, they were clearly guilty, and they earned the death penalty without question.
This is nothing at all like a real political crime like the Rosenbergs’ or Sacco and Vanzetti.
Regular: I’m just trying to figure out what “VICTORY” we have won from invading Iraq? Can’t you answer that question? I gave you some options to choose from: If you don’t like those choices then tell me. What did we win by invading Iraq?
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
BTK is a staunch Republican.
But I don’t make the case that he was a terrorist. He did not seem to be motivated by his Republicanism.
Adkisson claims he was motivated by the hate speech of the right, and the evidence found at his house seems to back this up.
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I met BTK once when I drove a convertible sponsored by my friend Walleed (Wally’s Auto Sales) in the Kechi Parade that held the Mayor of Junction City.
I said “Hi, glad to meet you.” and extended my hand. He never smiled, turned and walked away.
So, capn is gleefully dancing on the graves of some innocent victims, using their deaths to ‘prove’ that anyone who is not a liberal is a violence prone rightwinger?
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink
Regular: I’m just trying to figure out what “VICTORY” we have won from invading Iraq? Can’t you answer that question? I gave you some options to choose from: If you don’t like those choices then tell me. What did we win by invading Iraq?
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Victory comes in many forms.
- The Democratization of Iraq (a goal of the Clinton Administration set forth in Public Law)
- The lifting of an oppression dictatorship from the Iraqi people.
- Unparalleled access to the Iraqi government and a firm future in diplomatic and future trading with the government and private businesses of Iraq.
- The trust, although somewhat tentative of the Iraqi people. Arab peoples are quite difficult to gain their complete trust, it’s their upbringing.
- The removal of a regional threat (Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath Party) from Iraq.
- More stability in the region. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait I’m sure are quite relieved that Saddam’s armies are not breathing down their neck.
- The realization that a stable country practicing Democratic ideas is much easier to deal with than a country led by a dictator.
Not at all, Raptor, but nice try by using the logical fallacy of distortion.
What I’m saying is that hate speech has consequences. You can see it with Al Qaeda and the KKK and other supremecy groups. Even CONs admit that.
Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Not at all, Raptor, but nice try by using the logical fallacy of distortion.
What I’m saying is that hate speech has consequences. You can see it with Al Qaeda and the KKK and other supremecy groups. Even CONs admit that.
Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.
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“You People.”
I don’t listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. I think Savage is a screaming lunatic.
Typical of your generic broad brush assigning guilt to an entire group of supposed homogenized thinking people.
As you know, Republicans are as varied in ideology as the Democrats are.
There are extreme right, conservatives, neo-conservatives, moderates, anti-war republicans, eco-republicans, log cabin republicans and etc.
“You People” just demonstrates another one of your Liberal “redneck” tendencies Crapn.
Hank, you should read more carefully. The “consensus” on AGW is getting stronger.
Hank posted July 30, 2008 at 6:29 am
“NYT yearns for that good old, long-lost consensus
At last they admit that there is no consensus — but they lament that fact as a bad thing — because it tends to “confuse” people. Dr Goebbels would agree. Intellectual diversity and debate are OUT! Excerpt:
These questions endure even as the basic theory of a rising human influence on climate has steadily solidified: accumulating greenhouse gases will warm the world, erode ice sheets, raise seas and have big impacts on biology and human affairs
… Several experts on the media and risk said that one result could be public disengagement with the climate issue just as experts are saying ever more forcefully that sustained attention and action are needed to limit the worst risks..”
Again, it’s called freedom of speech Capn’A. The shooter was a GROWN MAN. HE has the responsibility to control himself. It is obvious that he had mental issues, this isn’t the fault of talk radio. You are trying to demonize talk radio to further your agenda instead of using rational thought.
Regular:
1. They are not even close to Jeffersonian Democracy.
2. These same “victories” were proclaimed when the Shah of Iran was put in place. How is Iran doing?
3. Saudi and Kuwait do not equal the region. The region is not stablized. It might become that way once we leave,
4. We used that “regional threat” against Iran and sold weapons to that “regional threat” Do you honestly think that the Iraqi’s are going to trust the country that sold weapons to Hussein?
5. They are a sovereign country, we will lose all of the “unparalleled access” when we leave.
It’s no big victory Regular. You’re president just avoided catastrophe. And it only cost him Trillions of dollars.
Again, why not stick with your usual defense. It’s plausable.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink
Thanks, Regular, for supporting Obama’s position on troop withdrawl.
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Yes, success in Iraq has everyone thinking bringing the troops home, nothing wrong with that.
However, Obama was very much for bringing the troops home before the job was done, he even voted against funding the troops.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
Regular:
1. They are not even close to Jeffersonian Democracy.
2. These same “victories” were proclaimed when the Shah of Iran was put in place. How is Iran doing?
3. Saudi and Kuwait do not equal the region. The region is not stablized. It might become that way once we leave,
4. We used that “regional threat” against Iran and sold weapons to that “regional threat” Do you honestly think that the Iraqi’s are going to trust the country that sold weapons to Hussein?
5. They are a sovereign country, we will lose all of the “unparalleled access” when we leave.
It’s no big victory Regular. You’re president just avoided catastrophe. And it only cost him Trillions of dollars.
Again, why not stick with your usual defense. It’s plausable.
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Of course it’s not Jeffersonian Democracy.
Of course, now that you’ve built up your strawman argument, I will be glad to watch as the future events will knock it down like a stack of paper dominoes.
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
“Some environmentalists have blamed energy-dependent industries and the news media for stalemates on climate policy, arguing that they perpetuate a false sense of uncertainty about the basic problem.”
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A few examples (see link for funding and names of skeptics)
‘Responding to Global Warming Skeptics — Prominent Skeptics Organizations’ http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
“Global Climate Coalition
George Marshall Institute
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
Greening Earth Society
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide & Global Change
UPDATE:
The Union of Concerned Scientists report, Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco’s Tactics to “Manufacture Uncertainty” on Climate Change, details how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry’s disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue.
According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science. See the report for a list of these organizations.”
“Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.”
No more so than if one of you libs read WSCLARK post that he wanted “all cons to die (that night)”,
went off and killed a con.
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
Let me join the arm flailing, there are about 5 million orphans in Iraq. Guess what people are caring for these orphans….if you guessed the anti-American militias your right. When these children reach adulthood do you think they will have warm fuzzy feelings toward America? Hate us?
” ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science”
Is there a law broken here? Is there surprise.
No different than tobacco companies.
It’s a business. You need to buy more XOM stock if you want to survive.
Why don’t you just admit that you BELIEVE that George Bush was right. And admit that said faith is not based on such obvious “facts” as you have so often incinuated.
Now if these “Future Events” knock down my doubts. I will be glad. And I will gladly tell you that you were right. Validate you, vindicate you, pat you on the head etc.
The notion that one take a nonhomogeneous Muslim society and end up with any from of a democracy is lunacy. You can’t buy it , or build it- the pieces are simply not there!
“The presence of somebody’s books in a mentally disturbed person’s home does not make them accessories to a killing. But right-wing rhetoric toward liberals and humanists like those who attended the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church has been exceptionally violent for years.”
As for Hannity, he said that “there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of ‘em is making sure Nancy Pelosidoesn’t become the speaker (of the House).” Think about it: “worth fighting and dying for.”
Ann Coulter says liberals should be beaten with baseball bats and tried for treason (she’s not clear about the order in which these events are to take place.) Dick Morris says they’re “traitors” who should be decapitated.
“I had a friend at Clear Channel (yes, I have a broad group of friends) who described some of these people as “entertainers.” Don’t you get it, guys? You use inflammatory images that equates your fellow Americans with violent enemies of the nation. Then you act surprised when a mentally ill person believes you and kills. You use the language of war and then say you’re not to blame when somebody enlists in your imaginary struggle.”
They can’t define it, but claim they’ll recognize it when they see it.
The “Surge” wasn’t implemented “to subdue violence.” Although, if you ignore the hundred thousand or so Iraqi civilians who’ve died since the “Surge,” the “Surge” has been “successful” on that front. The “Surge” was supposed to provide an environment for democracy to take its course.
And even, in that respect, the “Surge” has worked. The nascent post-Saddam Iraqi government has chosen to make diplomatic overtures toward Iran (aka “the Iraq-Pakistan border,” by John Sidney McCain the Third - for Shrub’s 3rd term) and specifically endorsed a 16-month timetable for removal of American occupation troops from their borders.
If the “Surge” has worked, to what end?
What exactly are American taxpayers getting for their Ten-Billion-Dollars-a-Month investment in Iraq?
In pure capitalist terms, what has George WMD Bush won with his commitment of a half-trillion dollars and 4500 American lives? Where’s the pay-off?
You’ve had more than five years of Shrub’s little Iraqi Adventure. What’s it won? How is your life better? How will you know we can achieve John Sidney McCain the Third’s (for Shrub’s 3rd term) dream of leaving Iraq in “victory?”
George WMD Bush’s Iraq War (”Mission Accomplished!”) and the five-year occupation is the biggest foreign policy fiasco in American history.
“The ‘Surge’ is working!” is the most pathetic attempt at political rationalization since “Mussolini made the trains run on time.”
American_Way posted July 30, 2008 at 11:17 am
” ” ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science”
Is there a law broken here? Is there surprise.”
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There is a public that’s confused about AGW science.
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annie_moose
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
Let me join the arm flailing, there are about 5 million orphans in Iraq. Guess what people are caring for these orphans….if you guessed the anti-American militias your right. When these children reach adulthood do you think they will have warm fuzzy feelings toward America? Hate us?
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Interesting statistics, yet no source.
Of course, after armed conflict there will be victims and those left homeless and orphaned.
Do join the parade of ’sour grapers’ though, Annie Moose.
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gster
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink
The notion that one take a nonhomogeneous Muslim society and end up with any from of a democracy is lunacy. You can’t buy it , or build it- the pieces are simply not there!
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You mean like Turkey?
After the validation and pat on the head, I will give you a bill for 3 Trillion dollars. Not even close to what was spent, but I will take that amount. Then we can call it even.
I notice you enjoy accusing me of “arm flailing” I suppose you think that makes you look more rational in your argument. Would you mind defining your metaphorical “arm flailing” so that I will know to police myself next time?
The number of Iraqi orphans increased in the last few years due to the war. According to official Iraqi government statistics released in December 2007, the number of Iraqi orphans had reached at least five million over the last three years. Many due to the Sunni-Shia conflict. There are several social organizations caring for a small number of these Iraqi orphans, such as Child Aid International. There are approximately 26 orphanages that Alive in Baghdad has been able to locate around Iraq. Eight orphanages are in Baghdad and another 18 are distributed all over Iraq and generally they accept kids between the age of 6 and 18 years old.
Well. American Democracy was well-served today by the House Judiciary Committee’s vote (20-14) to hold Karl Rove in contempt of Congress for refusing to testify regarding the Justice Department’s prosecution of Gov. Don Siegelman (D-AL).
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First post!
Of course, most of you are used to seeing the first post to be an anti-science copy/paste from old man price.
First post!
Of course, most of you are used to seeing the first post to be an anti-science copy/paste from old man price.
…………normally, I’d say “oops”, but at least the second post won’t be anti-science garbage!
NYT yearns for that good old, long-lost consensus
At last they admit that there is no consensus — but they lament that fact as a bad thing — because it tends to “confuse” people. Dr Goebbels would agree. Intellectual diversity and debate are OUT! Excerpt:
When science is testing new ideas, the result is often a two-papers-forward-one-paper-back intellectual tussle among competing research teams. When the work touches on issues that worry the public, affect the economy or polarize politics, the news media and advocates of all stripes dive in. Under nonstop scrutiny, conflicting findings can make news coverage veer from one extreme to another, resulting in a kind of journalistic whiplash for the public.
This has been true for decades in health coverage. But lately the phenomenon has been glaringly apparent on the global warming beat. Discordant findings have come in quick succession. How fast is Greenland shedding ice? Did human-caused warming wipe out frogs in the American tropics? Has warming strengthened hurricanes? Have the oceans stopped warming? These questions endure even as the basic theory of a rising human influence on climate has steadily solidified: accumulating greenhouse gases will warm the world, erode ice sheets, raise seas and have big impacts on biology and human affairs.
Scientists see persistent disputes as the normal stuttering journey toward improved understanding of how the world works. But many fear that the herky-jerky trajectory is distracting the public from the undisputed basics and blocking change. “One of the things that troubles me most is that the rapid-fire publication of unsettled results in highly visible venues creates the impression that the scientific community has no idea what’s going on,” said W. Tad Pfeffer, an expert on Greenland’s ice sheets at the University of Colorado. “Each new paper negates or repudiates something emphatically asserted in a previous paper,” Dr. Pfeffer said. “The public is obviously picking up on this not as an evolution of objective scientific understanding but as a proliferation of contradictory opinions.”
Several experts on the media and risk said that one result could be public disengagement with the climate issue just as experts are saying ever more forcefully that sustained attention and action are needed to limit the worst risks. Recent polls in the United States and Britain show that the public remains substantially divided and confused over what is happening and what to do. Some environmentalists have blamed energy-dependent industries and the news media for stalemates on climate policy, arguing that they perpetuate a false sense of uncertainty about the basic problem.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/science/earth/29clim.html
Sorry I was late, Apophis!
When it’s raining it takes a little longer for my various livestock chores.
The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over, expecting new results. Much like this open climate debate blog.
………….sorry taking care of your goats took so long old man, but global climate change is real.
Be part of the solution, not part of the problem price.
Good morning, Pleefer!
The NYT article I linked to id evidence that the side of reason and logic is beginning to win.
The results are encouraging!
Of course global climate change is real, Apophis! I never said it wasn’t!
It’s cooling down even as we BLOG!
(ain’t my problem, man)
heheh
………..YOU and your denial brethren ARE part of the problem old man. Our entire world must start making changes and sacrifices. Your archaic religious views close your mind to real science. Until you get over your literal interpretation of an ancient “history” book, you will remain in the dark ages.
Ignorance is pathetic.
Calm down, my desperate educator friend. I don’t bring my faith to the debate, you do.
You’re constant attacks on my faith do me no harm and will bring you no peace.
You’re=Your
……………I am pleny calm old man. Everytime you deny real science you are doing so because of your faulty idea of what science really is. Your view that the earth is only 6000-8000 years old comes from your literal interpretation of a translation of a translation of a translation……..
This gives you NO credibilty to contribute or discuss matters of real science, i.e. Global Climate Change.
Hank..I heard back from Capt Joe Dessenberger and Captain Speer. According to these bureau commanders, traffic cops ARE called to emergencies in progress. They also handle routine requests for service when needed. I don’t know where you got your information, but it is not accurate.
LOL!
I probably know a lot more about science than you ever will.
Ironically, I’m also a better teacher than you will ever be!
I was a student and an instructor for a great man that was arguably one of the best educators of the last century.
I have impeccable credentials and you are little more than light entertainment in the mornings.
The very fact that you are reduced to attacking my faith daily is proof that your argument is devoid of any merit. It is a testimony to the failure of your life.
You make ‘my side’ look good!
……what you call your “faith” is what I know as your ignorance old man.
Prattle on ignorant old man.
Hey Rapter,
That is probably the party line.
“They also handle routine requests for service when needed. ”
I wonder what the ‘policy’ is for determining ‘when needed’.
They do not routinely answer 911 calls. A large percentage of the officers on duty at any one time do not.
This is not a criticism, just a fact. There are four divisions, each division has two officers that are assigned traffic control. They are not routinely dispatched on 911 calls and very seldom do.
After our exchange the other day I checked with a couple of my police officer friends, one a detective and one a swat team member. They prefer to remain anonymous but that is where I got my information.
Prattle?
LOL!
We could use your usual morning posts as an example for prattle!
When have you ever started the day withanything positive or informative?
nitwit
……………do you call the nonsense you post “positive or informative”?
You are the nitwit old man.
You make ‘my side’ look good
Mr.Price are you claiming that you represent a majority of people on your side?
Since you say there is no problem with human caused global warming then there is no need to switch to an alternate form of energy.
What are your qualifications other than being a good ole boy with access to the Google do you have? I mean really Mr.Price or should we just have faith in you because you said so?
……………do you call the nonsense you post “positive or informative”?
Yep.
Such a scientist you are HLP. The other day you posted a portion of a scientific paper about ancient tree lines in Siberia. Basically, the paper from which the excerpt was lifted concluded that temperatures must have been warmer from about 9,000 to 3,000 (approximately) years ago in Siberia because the tree line advanced northward.
My, question, Mr. Scientist is this: The paper also concluded that the tree line was able to proceed northward because the shoreline itself was located much further north than today. How do you account for that?
WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…….old man price posted an article stating the Earth was warmer 9,000 to 3,000 years ago?
Doesn’t that kind of contradict the “story” you subscribe to that the Earth is only 6,000-8,000 years old?
Which is it old man?
FYI……………..your copy/paste posts are neither “positive or informative”.
You can lead a CON to facts, but you can’t make him think.
It appears the middle school science teacher is too afraid to post anything about science.
FOR RELEASE July 29, 2008
Richard Viguerie:
Bush White House Hides True Scope of Federal Deficit
(Manassas, Virginia) The following is a statement by Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, regarding the White House projection of a $482 Billion deficit for Fiscal Year 2009:
“The White House has issued figures indicating that President Bush and his enablers in Congress will leave his successor with a budget deficit of $482 Billion for Fiscal Year 2009, which is a record. How’s that for a legacy?
“As shocking as this deficit figure is, that’s still not the true scope of our budget woes because it excludes $80 Billion in war costs and $227 Billion borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund.
“The real budget deficit is therefore $789 Billion.
“Under accounting trickery that would probably land the top officers of a publicly traded company in jail, the money borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund–and spent on anything and everything except Social Security payments–is not counted towards the budget deficit, although it is part of our $9.49 Trillion National Debt.
“It’s way past time for Washington politicians to have their own Sarbanes-Oxley.
“But this is how corrupt Washington has become. Besides the dangerous practice of massive deficit spending, which will saddle our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of debt, the Bush White House and Congress are conspiring to conceal the true nature and scope of the problem.
“This year’s budget deficit will actually be $307 Billion worse than the politicians are saying. This fraud on the American people is a conspiracy of silence by both major political parties.
“In stunning hypocrisy, the White House blamed the record budget deficit on the slowing economy and the $150 Billion stimulus package passed earlier this year.
“No, Mr. President, the buck stops with you. Stand up and accept the responsibility–and your legacy–for massively expanding government.”
That’s nothing compared to the 845 billion dollars Obama wants to send to the U.N. in his Foreign aid/ millineum act bill.
I remember before the daily cut ‘n paste posts began that Hank told us he had found a place with a year’s worth (memory might be wrong on numbers) of opinion pieces opposing the accepted science of global climate change. He further told us he would be posting one a day (for whatever the period was). I made up my mind at that point those would be scroll overs. I don’t think he even cares what they say just as long as they keep the subject stirred up, without much effort.
Seems he has done just that — kept the subject stirred up. And, guess what? If all who participate would just ignore you wouldn’t be playing into his hand.
Has anyone changed someones opinion yet? If that happens can you announce it in a spectacular way so I can take note that something new was brought to the discussion?
Al Gore said it. I believe it. That settles it.
Here’s my entry for the daily cut and paste contest a little snip from 2003 when the fundies were at the height of their power and glory.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0613-02.htm
Published on Friday, June 13, 2003 by
The New Right Wing Agenda
by Steven E. Miller
The amazing thing is that the right wing fundamentalists have been able to seize power and win a large amount of support – or at least acquiescence — among the US electorate. The people I talk with point to a number of contextual reasons. First, this country lacks any significant institutionalized alternative. The Democratic Party is both complicit and fratricidal. The labor movement is the only really powerful potential organized opposition, but they are ideologically scattered, organizationally weak, and under unremitting attack. In addition, the powerful role of money in shaping our electoral outcomes is another key ingredient in the right wings success, as well as in keeping liberal (much less radical) alternatives from gaining influence in the Democratic Party. The increasing dominance of US media by an incredibly small number of incredibly right wing corporations has a powerful impact. The collapse of the Soviet Union, the lack of any significant “third way,” and the resulting feeling that there is “no viable alternative” has been a very important context for the right wings’ ability to present themselves as inevitable and unstoppable. Finally, the current climate of insecurity, fear, and even paranoia – which the government and media are successfully doing their utmost to deepen and expand – plays an important role in making it hard for opposition to find political space.
Using all these institutional-cultural supports, the reactionary clique has built a broad and powerful coalition. They’ve become a “big tent” for anti-abortionists (pulling in the Catholic right wing), anti-feminists (attracting not only status-concerned men but women who feel threatened by the loss of the “security and respect” given to traditional female roles), homophobes, anti-immigrant and anti-affirmative action groups (drawing on the racist undercurrents that always rise during periods of uncertainty, unrest, and change), gun advocates (pulling in huge numbers of rural and western voters), property-rights advocates (dipping into the traditional distrust of government bureaucracy), business advocates (offering a path forward to businesses increasingly pressed by foreign competition during an economic downturn), and more. And they’ve found ways to give everyone of these constituent groups immediate monetary, policy, and cultural-symbolic payoffs – further tightening their bonds to the government clique.
Most important, by wrapping themselves in the mantle of religion, the GOP leadership has made themselves a vehicle for the growing religious fundamentalist upsurge – parts of which can accurately be described as a fascist movement. Having god on your side means you are always right, no matter what other people may think or how events may fall out. You simply never have to say you are sorry, and all your failures are the result of evil forces beyond your control. Being on a Crusade, having an absolutist and deeply ideological sense of mission, also underpins the right wing’s willingness to use all the power at their command – legal and extra-legal – to push for a maximal agenda. No matter how thin their electoral margin of victory, once in office, they act without hesitation or compromise. They understand that success creates its own legitimacy and its own tailwind, pulling others along with it.
The scariest part is that the right wing lunatics feel that they’ll get away with it. Who remembers Afghanistan, or the absence of Iraqi’s supposed weapons of mass destruction? Who seems to care that our economy is collapsing? In the short term, Bush and company win not because of smarter strategies or brilliant tactics, but because they have access to overwhelming resources and power and they can simply outlast everyone and everything else. In fact, they are so incompetent and so blind to the complexities of the real world that they will make huge mistakes. So it is possible (but not inevitable) that the world situation will spin out of control and the small clique now running the country will have to pass the baton to others in 2004 or 2008. But we should not underestimate their willingness to keep imposing their will through direct (or indirect) force — the racism, lies, manipulation, and violence used to secure the 2000 election are likely to be repeated or exceeded in coming years.
Don’t worry about it Ms. Inks. I’ve read some of Hank’s posts and scrolled over others. Sometimes I use them to expose the “lie of the day.” Sometimes I use them to learn. Generally, HLP’s are lifted in their entirety from some blog or other, and consist of disjointed excerpts from several sources, most of which reach exactly the opposite conclusion Hank has made. He’s just another nasty old curmudgeon, probably striking five-year-olds with his cane as we speak.
Nathan writes on yesterday’s “open thread” that “I have never said that all liberals are cowards.”
Thank you for going on record with that admission, Nathan.
You might want to see if you can get Hank to go along with you on that:
Nothing gets a liberal’s panties in a wad faster than a good ol’ American company making a profit.
This implies that all liberals wear “panties,” i.e., we’re effeminate, sissies, gay etc.
Hank Price
Posted September 29, 2006 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
What I mind is liberal politicians openly undermining our Comander-in-Chief and our military’s efforts to win this war for no other reason than to keep their sorry butts in office one more election cycle.
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In other words, liberals are traitors.
Traitors should be shot.
And one of your guys did exactly that in Knoxville.
Congratulations.
Boycott Verizon!
If americans will not stand up for each other who will? Not corporate america or politicians!
Verizon is screwing approximately 68,000 employees! Change your phone service!
This is about saving USA jobs! Americans must speak out with action! Boycott!
Why should americans Care?
http://www.newnetworks.com/UnderbellyVerizonStrike.htm
In other words, liberals are traitors.
Traitors should be shot.
And one of your guys did exactly that in Knoxville.
Congratulations.
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It appears that a mentally deranged man shot the people at the church.
Didn’t know that nut jobs had to have a party affiliation.
Examples of hate-speech that leads to right-wing terrorism:
“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for.”
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that’s sort of where we are in today’s world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn’t exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution.”
- Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), Associated Press, 04-22-03
“I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”
- Pat Robertson, speaking of organizers putting rainbow flags up around Orlando to support sexual diversity, Washington Post, 06-10-98. For the record, Orlando remains undestroyed by meteors.
“Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I’m proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans.”
- Rep. Don Young (R-AK), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96
“I don’t understand how poor people think.”
- George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, New York Times, 08-26-03
“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98
“We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”
- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”
- Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02
“Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers.”
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-18-95
“Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past - I’m not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble - recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin’s penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an ‘enemy of the people.’ The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, ‘clan liability.’ In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished ‘to the ninth degree’: that is, everyone in the offender’s own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed.”
- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01
“Probably nothing.”
- Jeb Bush, during his losing 1994 bid for Florida Governor, when asked what he would do for black people, quoted by Salon on 10-05-02
“The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler’s.”
- Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA), The New Republic, 08-01-94
“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.”
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-21-93
“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
- Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, NPR Morning Edition, 05-25-01
“Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies.”
- State Rep. John Graham Altman (R-SC), addressing African-American concerns about the ’symbol’ of the Confederate Flag, New York Times, 01-24-97
“Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God’s Law and the disenfranchisement of White men.”
- State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), emailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by the Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01
“NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you’ve got to be a lesbian.”
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 12-03-97
Regular writes, that “It appears that a mentally deranged man shot the people at the church.”
Correct.
And what deranged him seems to be listening to the hate of the right wing. He chose that church specifically because it was liberal.
What do Osama and Obama have in common?
They both have friends that attack the Pentagon via terrorism via explosive mechanisms.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
Regular writes, that “It appears that a mentally deranged man shot the people at the church.”
Correct.
And what deranged him seems to be listening to the hate of the right wing. He chose that church specifically because it was liberal.
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What if the man was a fan of Marvel Comics
Then what?
““But this is how corrupt Washington has become. Besides the dangerous practice of massive deficit spending, which will saddle our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of debt, the Bush White House and Congress are conspiring to conceal the true nature and scope of the problem.”
Aint it the truth.
But hey, who’s counting? We’re STILL safe from gay marriage…
I see capn is now a psychiatrist…:
“And what deranged him seems to be listening to the hate of the right wing”
According to capn, listening to the radio drove him nuts. Never once considering the possibility the guy was nuts beforehand..nope..DOCTOR capn has diagnosed this. case closed…anyone who listens to that kind of radio is obviously going to go shoot people.
somehow I missed the ‘logic’ here…
Raptor?? Are you trying to argue with the statement made by Knoxville Police??
Sorry the pro-science post (to contradict Hank’s anti-science posts) is late today but it’s my day off so I don’t get up at 5am.
Evolution Of Skull And Mandible Shape In Cats
ScienceDaily (July 29, 2008) — In a new study published in the online-open access journal PLoS ONE, Per Christiansen at the Zoological Museum in Copenhagen, Denmark, reports the finding that the evolution of skull and mandible shape in sabercats and modern cats were governed by different selective forces, and the two groups evolved very different adaptations to killing.
The cat family comprises some of the most specialised carnivores in the history of mammals, all exclusively eating flesh. The cat family consists of two major sub-groups: the feline cats (including all modern species) and the sabertoothed cats (which are all extinct). Skeletons from the two groups look broadly similar, but their skulls are often remarkably different, and suggest that members of the two groups underwent radically different adaptations to predation during the course of evolution.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080729234258.htm
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition - Origins
Wikipedia
“The real Chaplain, Howell Forgy, aboard the USS New Orleans (Pearl Harbor); during the Japanese attack, was that chaplain]. He was a Lieutenant (j.g.) on that Sunday morning in December, 1941.
Another Lieutenant who had been in charge of an ammunition line on the USS New Orleans during the attack remembered.
“I heard a voice behind me saying, Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. I turned and saw Chaplain Forgy walking toward me along the line of men. He was patting the men on the back and making that remark to cheer them and keep them going. I know it helped me a lot, too”, he said.
Another lieutenant j.g. said, the men aboard the USS New Orleans would thereafter kid Chaplain Forgy about the role he played whenever they heard the song that had been written. They also encouraged him to set the record straight as to who actually said what. According to that same lieutenant the chaplain would decline, saying he felt “the episode should remain a legend rather than be associated with any particular person.” Author McDowell said that press reporters were eventually permitted to interview men of the USS New Orleans involved in the “ammunition” story. Chaplain Forgy’s superior officers set up a meeting with some of the press and; at last, the real story of the song and the man who had inspired it was finally confirmed.
In 1942, a recording by The Merry Macs reached number 8 on the Billboard chart. The 1943 version by Kay Kyser and His Orchestra reached number 1.
Loesser donated his royalties for sale of the song to the Navy Relief Society.”
Sure, police are not pyschiatrists. How would the PD know what drove the guy nuts? To claim that listening to the radio made him do it might just happen to suggest that the guy was out of balance before hand.
Talk radio gave him his target. As I have written many times, many Americans are mean and miserable, and Rush et ilk tell them why: It’s the liebruls. When it’s really them, or themselves, at the root of their discontent.
Yeah, I mean I slap women and sell drugs, shoot up houses, because Dr. Dre and 50 cent told me to!
Sarcasm, in case you didn’t know(Chas).
After Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., called Thursday for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, White House press secretary Scott McClellan accused him of endorsing “Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party” and called his stance a “surrender to the terrorists.”
Dick Cheney told Senator Leahy to “go f*ck yourself” on the floor of The Senate.
Ann Coulter said someone should “put rat poison in Justice Stevens’s crème brûlée.”
The CONs ran ads against Tom Daschle and Max Clelland (both decorated vets) with photos linking them to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
“Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason…Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy.” Ann Coulter
“It was a crushing defeat for the liberals, not because liberals were necessarily Communists, though many were, but because they had been morally blind to Communism…Liberal elites defended traitors. In response to the Soviet threat, the Democrats consistently counseled defeat, supplication, and retreat.” Ann Coulter
But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.
Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see … Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia.
Karl Rove
Participants at the Republic Party Convention wore Purple Heart band-aids to mock Senator John Kerry’s three purple hearts earned in combat.
Peter Jennings covering the Convention turned to Newt Gingrich: “Did you squirm a little when you saw the guy wearing the purple heart [band-aid]?” Gingrich: “No. I think it’s funny.”
Jerry Falwell blamed 9-11 on the ACLU, “Godlessness,” and gays. Pat Robertson agreed.
Jerry Falwell, founder of the right-wing PAC Moral Majority, produced a video claiming that the Clintons’ ran a cocaine ring and murdered Vince Foster.
Former Majority Leader and CON John Boehner repeatedly claimed Dems are more concerned with protecting terrorists than Americans.
Rumsfeld claimed that people who are against the war are the moral equivalent of Neville Chamberlain who advocated appeasement to Hitler.
You can’t have terrorism without hate speech.
As the conflict in Iraq is winding down and Iraq strives to fulfill its Democratic status in a chaotic Muslim world, it appears that the Commander-in-Chief, President George Bush was right.
The surge worked, Iraqis are returning to Iraq, there are talks of time tables for troop withdrawal.
Once again the GOP works to stick it to veterans, this time by opposing funding for research for spinal cord injuries:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Senate_Republicans_block_effort_to_aid_0730.html
The Republicans love soldiers like they do fetuses, but once they are out, they don’t give a damn.
Comic books and psychiatry have nothing to do with it.
The shooter hated liberals. If you don’t believe it, look at the USA Today story below “Suspect Hated Liberals.”
So he went to a place where liberals were to kill them.
Who taught him to hate liberals?
The right-wing.
End of story.
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Shooting suspect hated liberals
By Emily Bazar, USA TODAY
The man accused of shooting and killing two people in a Knoxville church Sunday wrote that he hated liberals, police said Monday.
Knoxville Police Chief Sterling Owen said investigators discovered a four-page letter in suspect Jim David Adkisson’s vehicle outside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, where the shooting occurred.
In the letter, Adkisson, 58, of Powell, Tenn., “repeatedly included disgust for what he perceived to be the liberals in our country,” Owen said.
Adkisson, charged with one count of first-degree murder, is scheduled to appear at a preliminary court hearing next Tuesday.
Police and witnesses said Adkisson pulled a 12-gauge shotgun out of a guitar case and opened fire while children performed Annie Jr. Sunday morning. He fired three times before members of the congregation tackled him. Seven adults were injured. Two had been released from the hospital, and the others remained in serious or critical condition Monday, Owen said.
“The intention was to shoot as many people as he could with the expectation he would be killed by the police,” Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam said.
Capn,
Case in point - BlueJay. Wants republicans dead. Is proud that his son hates.
Liberals? So should we brand all liberals this way? Was it talk radio that sent Junior over the edge?
The only thing you have proven Crapn, is that the nut job Adkisson wanted “suicide by cop.”
The story clearly shows a deranged mind.
So, you are claiming that he was perfectly sane until some talk radio show convinced him he needed to kill liberals?
I had no idea those talk radio shows were that persuasive and convincing.
ANTI
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Yeah, I mean I slap women and sell drugs, shoot up houses, because Dr. Dre and 50 cent told me to!
Sarcasm, in case you didn’t know(Chas).
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What church do you want to shoot up, ANTI?? Guess that USA Today article pretty much puts the whammy on your sick brand of what you think is “funny” /sarcasm
Yes, what our military helped to do was a great achievment. I don’t think anyone can doubt that. I don’t think it is as simple as “the surge worked” either. But what did the U.S. gain?
What church do you want to shoot up, ANTI?? Guess that USA Today article pretty much puts the whammy on your sick brand of what you think is “funny” /sarcasm
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Chas, Chas…Put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself.
And what have we gained from Iraq? What is the supposed “Dividend” that we are going to get from Iraq? Aside from the typical NEOCON drivel that they will be a partner in the war on terror. How will they be a partner in the war on terror? Is their army going to fight in Afghanistan?
Perhaps you should consider these questions before you go trying to tell people that the Conservatives were right all along and Liberals were wrong all along.
Once again, you sound like the typical NEOCON. You must be told that you were right and your opponents were wrong. It’s starting to sound very immature.
I wonder if Chas has one of those helmets with the mouthpiece attached?
Notice how the “party of personal responsibility” runs from any responsibility of inculcating hate crimes.
CONs are people who demand to know if you have any proof that a bear sh*ts in the woods.
And when you show them a pile of bear sh*t in a woods, they say, “did you actually see a bear sh*t this?”
LLVET Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:58 am
Once again, you sound like the typical NEOCON. You must be told that you were right and your opponents were wrong. It’s starting to sound very immature.
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This folks is a lesson in “sour grapes 101.”
Regular
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
I wonder if Chas has one of those helmets with the mouthpiece attached?
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He does. I gave him one for his birthday, he was so excited…he peed a little.
Please note: ANTI does not deny a desire to shoot up a Church… Just slings more ad hominems in my direction… Typical Right Wing numb nut
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
Notice how the “party of personal responsibility” runs from any responsibility of inculcating hate crimes.
CONs are people who demand to know if you have any proof that a bear sh*ts in the woods.
And when you show them a pile of bear sh*t in a woods, they say, “did you actually see a bear sh*t this?”
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Do tell Crapn?
I wasn’t aware that you are an expert on scatology.
The list grows from the Crapn:
Bear
Bull
Horse
Very little of what CapnAmerica calls hate speech is hate speech. And it is all pretty tame compared to a lot of the stuff liberals such as CapnAmerica write even on this blog and especially in their hateful leftists web sites.
I find it laughable that the main practitioner of divisive, finger pointing politics here is blaming the right and acting holier than thou. Sorry Capn, you’ve been sowing hate here for years. Now you get to reap the fruits of lost credibility.
“If the Left succeeds in gaining and retaining more power, the well-being of future generations will be at greater peril. I fear (our children) will inherit a nation that is less free and less secure than the nation we inherited from the last generation. It is therefore our job to stop them. Not just debate them, but defeat them.” — Sean Hannity
Dear Sean:
I found these words on page 11 of your book Let Freedom Ring. This book, and similar ones from your conservative colleagues Bill O’Reilly and Michael Savage, was found in the home of a man who read those words, internalized those words, and then loaded his shotgun.
From an Open Letter to Hannity
http://www.religiondispatches.org/Gui/Content.aspx?Page=AR&Id=382#
“If the Left succeeds in gaining and retaining more power, the well-being of future generations will be at greater peril. I fear (our children) will inherit a nation that is less free and less secure than the nation we inherited from the last generation. It is therefore our job to stop them. Not just debate them, but defeat them.” — Sean Hannity
Dear Sean:
I found these words on page 11 of your book Let Freedom Ring. This book, and similar ones from your conservative colleagues Bill O’Reilly and Michael Savage, was found in the home of a man who read those words, internalized those words, and then loaded his shotgun.
From an Open Letter to Hannity
http://www.religiondispatches.org/Gui/Content.aspx?Page=AR&Id=382#
And of course, we all know that Regular believes that the people in that liberal church got what they deserved…
So how about Junior’s hate capn? Notice you gloss over that.
Actually it is a lesson in the size of a neocons ego.
Or will you prove me wrong? Here is how: Tell me something that the conservatives were wrong about and the liberals were right about. Any one important decision where the Democrats were correct and the Republicans were wrong.
I will wait.
It’s not to late to support the Libertarians folks.
More from the open letter:
“I don’t know if you remember me, Sean, but I worked with you in Atlanta in the early 1990s, right as you got your big break with FOX News. I was an anchor and reporter (under the air name Candace Petersen) at WGST, your last low level stop before hitting the big time. I remember your last night on the air before you left for the big leagues. I approached you in your office, a cramped back room that I’m sure resembles a hovel compared to your FOX digs. I asked if you, during your last show, would tone down your rhetoric against gays and lesbians—stop demonizing our community for just one night. You refused. You explained to me, as if I were a child, that to do so would be to let your audience down. They expected you to go on the air and rant about how liberals, minorities, women and especially gays and lesbians were ruining our country. You simply had to oblige.”
“Even though you explained it simply, I still didn’t understand. Your Girl Friday—your most trusted assistant on your show was a young lesbian. She admired you, for some strange reason, and you two were close friends, lunching together, spending time together outside of work. You didn’t seem to have a problem with this particular lesbian. She wasn’t the one you kept blaming on the air for the downfall of democracy. No, you had two different lives then—one on the air, where you performed your outraged conservative act and one in real life, where you enjoyed your lesbian friend and seemed like a decent, sane fellow.”
Thanks, David.
Excellent post.
Chas
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
And of course, we all know that Regular believes that the people in that liberal church got what they deserved…
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On the contrary Chas, I prayed for the souls of those lost and deeply scarred by the incident.
What did we gain from Iraq?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA3QdvY9rQ&feature=related
If a serial killer has many copies of Stephen King books and cites them in a journal, what should we do to King Capn’A?
Those loving caring liberals…
Keith Olbermann Suggests Physical Violence Against Hillary Clinton
http://senatorobamaisanopportunist.blogspot.com/2008/07/keith-olbermann-suggests-physical.html
Sure you did Regular… (cough, cough)
Ah, the “you do it too” defense . . . trotted out right on cue.
When a guy marches into Terry Fox’s church and opens fire because he “hates conservatives,” then I’ll admit I share some culpability.
That doesn’t happen, does it?
“Freemen” stand offs, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Tim McVey’s terrorist attack, the Alan Berg killing, the shots fired at liberal talk show hosts, the beating of Randi Rhoades, the Matthew Sheppard killing, the dragging death of a black man by whites in Texas . . .
Violence only seems to go in one direction lately, from CONs against liberals.
Are you going to answer my question Capn’A, or do you have an agenda?
Correct, Sol.
And when Olberman stepped over the line, he was rightly attacked by . . . LIBERALS of the Huffington Post.
Chas
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Sure you did Regular… (cough, cough
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I pray before each meal and at night.
I also participate in listening and acknowledging what our Minister has to say during the invocation and other prayers during the service.
Have you prayed about it Chas?
Or is the untested Hypothesis a little hard to get in touch with?
Still waiting Regular: Is Iraq going to fight in Afghanistan? Is Iraq going to find Osama bin Laden? Is Iraq going to stabilize Israel and the middle east? Is Iraq going to stabilize Turkey’s status as a member of NATO?
Answer those questions and I will gladly tell you that you were right, pat you on the head, and make you feel very smart.
Sol, that is the biggest faux pax you have made in a LONG time… NOTHING is said there about physical violence against Hillary… It is verbal rhetoric…
Not the same thing, Anti. Stephen King doesn’t say that people deserve killing in his books.
The CONs do say that–liberals = traitors, terrorist lovers, appeasers, defeatocrats, responsible for all the nation’s ills.
They provide a rationale for hate crimes.
Question of the day:
Will John McCain find the Iraq/Pakistani border before November??
It’s called freedom of speach Capn’A. The shooter was a GROWN MAN. HE has the responsibility to control himself. It is obvious that he had mental issues, this isn’t the fault of talk radio.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink
Still waiting Regular: Is Iraq going to fight in Afghanistan? Is Iraq going to find Osama bin Laden? Is Iraq going to stabilize Israel and the middle east? Is Iraq going to stabilize Turkey’s status as a member of NATO?
Answer those questions and I will gladly tell you that you were right, pat you on the head, and make you feel very smart.
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Beats me LLVET.
The Iraqi people are in charge of their own Democracy. They may not see any benefit in fighting in Afghanistan or at least it may cause hard feelings amongst their neighbors.
Iran, wouldn’t be pleased as Afghanistan and Iraq sandwich their country geographically.
With that said, the Iraqi government and people have the say whether to fight in Afghanistan.
I have my doubts they will though, they have too many challenges at home.
CapnHypocrite has no credibility. He, the constant hater of all things conservative, calls the right on alleged “hate speech”. He is also blind. He forgot to post the the horrific crime of the Carr brothers? Liberals.
Are there nasty things that happen in this world? Sure. but to try to tag it to an ideology that more than half this country believes in is just stupid. But consider the source.
Regular: Why don’t you just stay with your usual Bush Defenses: 1. Everyone else was fooled and 2. Monday morning quarterback.
Those work for you. Stick with them.
Chas,
What does it feel like being so dumb and called on it damn near every day?
http://186kpersecond.com/blog/2008/04/25/keith-olbermann-suggests-physical-violence-against-hillary-clinton/
Was it fair to mention the Carr brothers crime and call them liberals. Of course not.
Yet that is just what CapnHypocrite does with the crimes he mentions. Of course the shoe is on the other foot there so that’s OK.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink
Regular: Why don’t you just stay with your usual Bush Defenses: 1. Everyone else was fooled and 2. Monday morning quarterback.
Those work for you. Stick with them.
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Sorry you didn’t like my answers, but they are my answers.
And, there was no Monday morning quarterbacking. I supported the Iraqi invasion from the beginning and stuck with it.
I had doubts about some of the Commanders on the ground and their screw ups and of course Mr. Ego, Donald Rumsfeld, which they wisely got rid of.
Appears to me LLVET, you got an answer to a question you posed and didn’t want to hear it.
Too bad.
narrow mind -narrow future.
“He forgot to post the the horrific crime of the Carr brothers? Liberals.”
The Carr Bros. were liberals?
Damn, I thought they were CRIMINALS.
My bad.
The Carr Bros are liberals?
Really?
Because they were black?
So’s Thomas Sowell and Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas.
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The Carr Bros weren’t anything. They actually planned to attack another apartment but their victim wasn’t home. It was not a race-based crime or ideological.
They were simple criminal opportunists. Although I’m not in favor of the death penalty in general–it’s too easily misused–in this case, I was for it.
The Carr Bros. did the crimes, they were clearly guilty, and they earned the death penalty without question.
This is nothing at all like a real political crime like the Rosenbergs’ or Sacco and Vanzetti.
It appears to me Regular, you’re answer was “BEATS ME” I heard it lound and clear.
Too Bad
Damn, I thought they were CRIMINALS.
Nailed it. Along with the other kooks that do stupid stuff. But leave it to capn to blanket everyone to the right of him as the same.
BTK is a staunch Republican.
But I don’t make the case that he was a terrorist. He did not seem to be motivated by his Republicanism.
Adkisson claims he was motivated by the hate speech of the right, and the evidence found at his house seems to back this up.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink
It appears to me Regular, you’re answer was “BEATS ME” I heard it lound and clear.
Too Bad
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Yeah, “Beats Me” was on predicting the future of the choices of the Iraqi people.
Why all the arm flailing LLVET?
You’re just a peeled nerve today.
Mr. Clark,
Check your GMail please.
Regular: I’m just trying to figure out what “VICTORY” we have won from invading Iraq? Can’t you answer that question? I gave you some options to choose from: If you don’t like those choices then tell me. What did we win by invading Iraq?
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
BTK is a staunch Republican.
But I don’t make the case that he was a terrorist. He did not seem to be motivated by his Republicanism.
Adkisson claims he was motivated by the hate speech of the right, and the evidence found at his house seems to back this up.
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I met BTK once when I drove a convertible sponsored by my friend Walleed (Wally’s Auto Sales) in the Kechi Parade that held the Mayor of Junction City.
I said “Hi, glad to meet you.” and extended my hand. He never smiled, turned and walked away.
Creepy person for sure.
So, capn is gleefully dancing on the graves of some innocent victims, using their deaths to ‘prove’ that anyone who is not a liberal is a violence prone rightwinger?
That is pretty sick, even for capn.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink
Regular: I’m just trying to figure out what “VICTORY” we have won from invading Iraq? Can’t you answer that question? I gave you some options to choose from: If you don’t like those choices then tell me. What did we win by invading Iraq?
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Victory comes in many forms.
- The Democratization of Iraq (a goal of the Clinton Administration set forth in Public Law)
- The lifting of an oppression dictatorship from the Iraqi people.
- Unparalleled access to the Iraqi government and a firm future in diplomatic and future trading with the government and private businesses of Iraq.
- The trust, although somewhat tentative of the Iraqi people. Arab peoples are quite difficult to gain their complete trust, it’s their upbringing.
- The removal of a regional threat (Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath Party) from Iraq.
- More stability in the region. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait I’m sure are quite relieved that Saddam’s armies are not breathing down their neck.
- The realization that a stable country practicing Democratic ideas is much easier to deal with than a country led by a dictator.
And so on and so forth…
Not at all, Raptor, but nice try by using the logical fallacy of distortion.
What I’m saying is that hate speech has consequences. You can see it with Al Qaeda and the KKK and other supremecy groups. Even CONs admit that.
Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.
According to Regular, we won in Iraq.
So . . . now we get to bring the troops home, right?
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink
According to Regular, we won in Iraq.
So . . . now we get to bring the troops home, right?
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Victory where one stabilizes a country is a rare thing.
It may not be fully realized for years, much like Japan and Germany after WWII.
I would say the emphasis on bringing the troops home gets stronger with each day.
In fact, the surge troops should be coming home by this fall from reports that I have read.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Not at all, Raptor, but nice try by using the logical fallacy of distortion.
What I’m saying is that hate speech has consequences. You can see it with Al Qaeda and the KKK and other supremecy groups. Even CONs admit that.
Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.
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“You People.”
I don’t listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. I think Savage is a screaming lunatic.
Typical of your generic broad brush assigning guilt to an entire group of supposed homogenized thinking people.
As you know, Republicans are as varied in ideology as the Democrats are.
There are extreme right, conservatives, neo-conservatives, moderates, anti-war republicans, eco-republicans, log cabin republicans and etc.
“You People” just demonstrates another one of your Liberal “redneck” tendencies Crapn.
Thanks, Regular, for supporting Obama’s position on troop withdrawl.
Hank, you should read more carefully. The “consensus” on AGW is getting stronger.
Hank posted July 30, 2008 at 6:29 am
“NYT yearns for that good old, long-lost consensus
At last they admit that there is no consensus — but they lament that fact as a bad thing — because it tends to “confuse” people. Dr Goebbels would agree. Intellectual diversity and debate are OUT! Excerpt:
These questions endure even as the basic theory of a rising human influence on climate has steadily solidified: accumulating greenhouse gases will warm the world, erode ice sheets, raise seas and have big impacts on biology and human affairs
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Several experts on the media and risk said that one result could be public disengagement with the climate issue just as experts are saying ever more forcefully that sustained attention and action are needed to limit the worst risks..”
Again, it’s called freedom of speech Capn’A. The shooter was a GROWN MAN. HE has the responsibility to control himself. It is obvious that he had mental issues, this isn’t the fault of talk radio. You are trying to demonize talk radio to further your agenda instead of using rational thought.
Regular:
1. They are not even close to Jeffersonian Democracy.
2. These same “victories” were proclaimed when the Shah of Iran was put in place. How is Iran doing?
3. Saudi and Kuwait do not equal the region. The region is not stablized. It might become that way once we leave,
4. We used that “regional threat” against Iran and sold weapons to that “regional threat” Do you honestly think that the Iraqi’s are going to trust the country that sold weapons to Hussein?
5. They are a sovereign country, we will lose all of the “unparalleled access” when we leave.
It’s no big victory Regular. You’re president just avoided catastrophe. And it only cost him Trillions of dollars.
Again, why not stick with your usual defense. It’s plausable.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 30, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink
Thanks, Regular, for supporting Obama’s position on troop withdrawl.
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Yes, success in Iraq has everyone thinking bringing the troops home, nothing wrong with that.
However, Obama was very much for bringing the troops home before the job was done, he even voted against funding the troops.
FLIP
FLOP
Capn’A, you should be good and limber by now with all that stretching. You should go for a jog.
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LLTVET
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
Regular:
1. They are not even close to Jeffersonian Democracy.
2. These same “victories” were proclaimed when the Shah of Iran was put in place. How is Iran doing?
3. Saudi and Kuwait do not equal the region. The region is not stablized. It might become that way once we leave,
4. We used that “regional threat” against Iran and sold weapons to that “regional threat” Do you honestly think that the Iraqi’s are going to trust the country that sold weapons to Hussein?
5. They are a sovereign country, we will lose all of the “unparalleled access” when we leave.
It’s no big victory Regular. You’re president just avoided catastrophe. And it only cost him Trillions of dollars.
Again, why not stick with your usual defense. It’s plausable.
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Of course it’s not Jeffersonian Democracy.
Of course, now that you’ve built up your strawman argument, I will be glad to watch as the future events will knock it down like a stack of paper dominoes.
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
Hank posted July 30, 2008 at 6:29 am
“Some environmentalists have blamed energy-dependent industries and the news media for stalemates on climate policy, arguing that they perpetuate a false sense of uncertainty about the basic problem.”
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A few examples (see link for funding and names of skeptics)
‘Responding to Global Warming Skeptics — Prominent Skeptics Organizations’
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
“Global Climate Coalition
George Marshall Institute
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
Greening Earth Society
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide & Global Change
UPDATE:
The Union of Concerned Scientists report, Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco’s Tactics to “Manufacture Uncertainty” on Climate Change, details how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry’s disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue.
According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science. See the report for a list of these organizations.”
“Now it’s time for you people to own up to the fact that you are partly responsible by your demonizing rhetoric against liberals for what happened at the Universalist Church.”
No more so than if one of you libs read WSCLARK post that he wanted “all cons to die (that night)”,
went off and killed a con.
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
Let me join the arm flailing, there are about 5 million orphans in Iraq. Guess what people are caring for these orphans….if you guessed the anti-American militias your right. When these children reach adulthood do you think they will have warm fuzzy feelings toward America? Hate us?
” ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science”
Is there a law broken here? Is there surprise.
No different than tobacco companies.
It’s a business. You need to buy more XOM stock if you want to survive.
As part of the Housing Act:
The democrats in congress sent a bill to Bush which increased the national debt $800,000,000,000.00 overnight.
It’s just Bush spending beyond our means.
The issue is today and tomorrow. All our children get to do is pay DOWN the debt incurred by their parents.
Has anything changed with our federal government? They are ALL still spending money we do not have.
Why don’t you just admit that you BELIEVE that George Bush was right. And admit that said faith is not based on such obvious “facts” as you have so often incinuated.
Now if these “Future Events” knock down my doubts. I will be glad. And I will gladly tell you that you were right. Validate you, vindicate you, pat you on the head etc.
The notion that one take a nonhomogeneous Muslim society and end up with any from of a democracy is lunacy. You can’t buy it , or build it- the pieces are simply not there!
“The presence of somebody’s books in a mentally disturbed person’s home does not make them accessories to a killing. But right-wing rhetoric toward liberals and humanists like those who attended the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church has been exceptionally violent for years.”
As for Hannity, he said that “there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of ‘em is making sure Nancy Pelosidoesn’t become the speaker (of the House).” Think about it: “worth fighting and dying for.”
Ann Coulter says liberals should be beaten with baseball bats and tried for treason (she’s not clear about the order in which these events are to take place.) Dick Morris says they’re “traitors” who should be decapitated.
“I had a friend at Clear Channel (yes, I have a broad group of friends) who described some of these people as “entertainers.” Don’t you get it, guys? You use inflammatory images that equates your fellow Americans with violent enemies of the nation. Then you act surprised when a mentally ill person believes you and kills. You use the language of war and then say you’re not to blame when somebody enlists in your imaginary struggle.”
Excerpted from R.J. Eskow at
http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/media_literacy_bias/a_murderers_bookshelf_hannity_%3D6100
Sorry for the huge cut and paste.. but it is too good to pass up. -db
“Victory in Iraq” has become Neo-CON pornography.
They can’t define it, but claim they’ll recognize it when they see it.
The “Surge” wasn’t implemented “to subdue violence.” Although, if you ignore the hundred thousand or so Iraqi civilians who’ve died since the “Surge,” the “Surge” has been “successful” on that front. The “Surge” was supposed to provide an environment for democracy to take its course.
And even, in that respect, the “Surge” has worked. The nascent post-Saddam Iraqi government has chosen to make diplomatic overtures toward Iran (aka “the Iraq-Pakistan border,” by John Sidney McCain the Third - for Shrub’s 3rd term) and specifically endorsed a 16-month timetable for removal of American occupation troops from their borders.
If the “Surge” has worked, to what end?
What exactly are American taxpayers getting for their Ten-Billion-Dollars-a-Month investment in Iraq?
In pure capitalist terms, what has George WMD Bush won with his commitment of a half-trillion dollars and 4500 American lives? Where’s the pay-off?
You’ve had more than five years of Shrub’s little Iraqi Adventure. What’s it won? How is your life better? How will you know we can achieve John Sidney McCain the Third’s (for Shrub’s 3rd term) dream of leaving Iraq in “victory?”
George WMD Bush’s Iraq War (”Mission Accomplished!”) and the five-year occupation is the biggest foreign policy fiasco in American history.
“The ‘Surge’ is working!” is the most pathetic attempt at political rationalization since “Mussolini made the trains run on time.”
Sol, check your inbox……………..
American_Way posted July 30, 2008 at 11:17 am
” ” ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science”
Is there a law broken here? Is there surprise.”
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There is a public that’s confused about AGW science.
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annie_moose
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
Entirely too much arm flailing from you LLVET and you are holding a fist full of “sour grapes” in each fist.
Let me join the arm flailing, there are about 5 million orphans in Iraq. Guess what people are caring for these orphans….if you guessed the anti-American militias your right. When these children reach adulthood do you think they will have warm fuzzy feelings toward America? Hate us?
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Interesting statistics, yet no source.
Of course, after armed conflict there will be victims and those left homeless and orphaned.
Do join the parade of ’sour grapers’ though, Annie Moose.
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gster
Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink
The notion that one take a nonhomogeneous Muslim society and end up with any from of a democracy is lunacy. You can’t buy it , or build it- the pieces are simply not there!
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You mean like Turkey?
Regular:
After the validation and pat on the head, I will give you a bill for 3 Trillion dollars. Not even close to what was spent, but I will take that amount. Then we can call it even.
I notice you enjoy accusing me of “arm flailing” I suppose you think that makes you look more rational in your argument. Would you mind defining your metaphorical “arm flailing” so that I will know to police myself next time?
here is 5 million sour grapes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lz8Tnmdaw0
http://www.aliveinbaghdad.org/2008/05/05/among-iraqs-children-orphans-suffer-most/
The number of Iraqi orphans increased in the last few years due to the war. According to official Iraqi government statistics released in December 2007, the number of Iraqi orphans had reached at least five million over the last three years. Many due to the Sunni-Shia conflict. There are several social organizations caring for a small number of these Iraqi orphans, such as Child Aid International. There are approximately 26 orphanages that Alive in Baghdad has been able to locate around Iraq. Eight orphanages are in Baghdad and another 18 are distributed all over Iraq and generally they accept kids between the age of 6 and 18 years old.
you people???? Oh brother…talk about totally weak generalizations. Everyone who doesn’t follow in capn’s extremism is now an accessory to murder?
YOU PEOPLE? give it up, capn…you have dug yourself a hole, might as well quit digging.
Well. American Democracy was well-served today by the House Judiciary Committee’s vote (20-14) to hold Karl Rove in contempt of Congress for refusing to testify regarding the Justice Department’s prosecution of Gov. Don Siegelman (D-AL).
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/in_contempt_vote_on_karl_rove.php
The people of the United States, acting through their representatives, have