Open thread 7/3

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295 Comments

  1. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    “You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies”

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050

    Chas
    Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    “I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452

  2. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    I realize the above multi-post is somehow meaningful for you, “Nathaniel.”

    But I’ve forgotten your point.

    Do you have one?

  3. Hud
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
    “I do not swear at posters”

    Chas
    Posted May 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink
    Yep… as suspected — Nothing of substance from James when cornered — Just stupid goddam ad hominem bullshit!!! Just as always!!
    JERK!!!

  4. DavidB
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    What a terrible post to wake up to.

  5. Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Of course Tiller has an interest in each case… But the SECOND physician is independent of Tiller…. Ya cant spin that one, McDumbscheis… Tray another one??

  6. Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    HUD — As anybody can plainly see, what you posted above(cut/paste) is NOT swearing at a poster… It is a comment on the subject of the posting of another poster…

    Care to try another??

    If not, just shut up…

  7. Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Keep spinning, DumbScheis… Maybe you will get dizzy, and fall out of your chair… LOL

  8. Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Keep spinning, DumbScheis… Maybe you will get dizzy, and fall out of your chair… LOL

  9. Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
    “I do not swear at posters”

    Chas
    Posted May 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink
    Yep… as suspected — Nothing of substance from James when cornered — Just stupid goddam ad hominem bullshit!!! Just as always!!
    JERK!!!

  10. Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Nothing here but a bunch of nonsense garbage!!

    How pathetic, on the eve of our National Birthday!! Hooray for amber waves of grain…

  11. Indie
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    NEW YORK (Associated Press) — Rush Limbaugh will make about $38 million a year to continue his radio show over the next eight years. In addition, he says will be getting a nine-figure signing bonus from Premiere Radio Networks.

    Shame!!!! But shows that if he can get a job regular should be able to get one too …… both mindless idiots who’s only goal in life is to encourage small mindedness and create a division in our society —- how so very unpatriotic —- happy independence day regular -

  12. Predestined
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    “What you do to the least of your brethren, you do unto Me.”

  13. RightAngle
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Please excuse my ignorance, but the question I have is why anyone who is not a believer in the faith would want to be tied down with “Marriage”?
    Have you considered all the pros and cons of the marriage contract?
    I believe that most of the major pros can be taken care of with contracts. Here are a few of the cons you might want to consider if you are not a believer of the Christian faith.
    1. Right off you have the marriage income tax penalty
    2. You are liable for you marriage partner debt.
    3. This is a big one – .If your marriage partner becomes disabled, you would have to spend down your assets before they can get Medicaid to pay for the nursing home.
    Why would anyone, straight or gay that is not of the faith want to have all the disadvantages of marriage?

  14. Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    R-A Dont know what being “of the faith” has to do with marriage… People of MANY faiths take part in marriage… Guess you do know that… On second thought…. maybe not!!

  15. annie_moose
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Interesting question Right Angle. I always thought of marriage as a public declaration with associated legal rights.

  16. Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    RA, annie – as I noted on the other thread on the same topic it is a bundle of both legal rights and responsibilities.

  17. Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink
    I realize the above multi-post is somehow meaningful for you, “Nathaniel.”

    But I’ve forgotten your point.

    Do you have one?
    ========================================

    He has two points, M-H >>>>

    1) Just plain bully-style harassment…

    2) To do his best to be obnoxious.

    Nuff said…

  18. annie_moose
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Agreed Ben. Sorry I didn’t catch the previous discussion.

    Excuse my ignorance, at what point do people of faith not seek divine guidance. Buying a car? Choosing a career? Selecting a mate?

  19. Mary_Caruso
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Just to lighten things up a bit, by request:

    I work down at the Pizza Pit
    And I drive an old Hyundai
    I still live with my mom and dad
    I’m 5 foot 3 and overweight
    I’m a scifi fanatic
    A mild asthmatic
    And I’ve never been to second base
    But there’s whole ‘nother me
    That you need to see
    Go checkout MySpace

    ‘Cause online I’m out in Hollywood
    I’m 6 foot 5 and I look damn good
    I drive a Maserati
    I’m a black-belt in karate
    And I love a good glass of wine
    It turns girls on that I’m mysterious
    I tell them I don’t want nothing serious
    ‘Cause even on a slow day
    I could have a three way
    Chat with two women at one time
    I’m so much cooler online
    So much cooler online

    When I get home I kiss my mom
    And she fixes me a snack
    And I head down to my basement bedroom
    And fire under my yak
    In real life the only time I’ve ever even been to L.A
    Is when I got the chance with the marching band
    To play tuba in the Rose Parade

    Online I live in Malibu
    I pose for Calvin Klein, I’ve been in GQ
    I’m single and I’m rich
    And I’ve got a set of six pack abs that would blow your mind
    It turns girls on that I’m mysterious
    I tell them I don’t want nothing serious
    ‘Cause even on a slow day
    I could have a three way
    Chat with two women at one time
    I’m so much cooler online
    Yeah, I’m cooler online

    When you got my kind of stats
    It’s hard to get a date
    Let alone a real girlfriend
    But I grow another foot and I lose a bunch of weight
    Every time I login

    Online
    I’m out in Hollywood
    I’m 6 foot 5 and I look damn good
    Even on a slow day
    I could have a three way
    Chat with two women at one time
    I’m so much cooler online
    Yeah, I’m cooler online
    I’m so much cooler online
    Yeah, I’m cooler online

    Yeah, I’m cooler online

    Yeah, I’ll see ya online

  20. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Annie — Dont know if it will help answer your question much, but….

    A number of years ago, some members of my congregation asked me to attend the wedding ceremony of one of their family members…

    It was a very pretty ceremony…. had the right kind of dresses, and flowers, and music, and the reception was just teriffic…

    At the end of the Ceremony, the Pastor, in his $600 Hart/Schaefner/Marx suit, said: And now God in his Infinite Wisdom, send many years of Blessing on the union of these two, now standing before us… And Bless them with the gifts of the Holy Ghost, and of the world in which we live… Amen!!

    TWO WEEKS LATER…..

    My phone rang… It was those same family members…. crying profusely…. the bad news… Gary had shot and killed Janice… The funeral would be Saturday…. Would I go with them…. I said I would….

    I had to bite my tongue HARD, when that preacher in that $600 suit(see above) stood up and started out that service:

    Dear Friends, God in his infinite wisdom has called his daughter Janice home to be with him…. AND I NEARLY LOST IT….

    These two were “Devout Believers and Followers” They were in the “Young Disciples Club” at this “church”.

    And yet, on that fatal Thursday night, Gary and some of his friends, were working on his old jalopy truck… and also working on a half gallon of Jim Beam…. And, at 10 p.m. his friends went home… And Gary went into the house… And he demanded that Janice fix him dinner…. he was hungry and tired… he deserved to be FED!!

    Janice said, But Gary, I already fixed you and your buddies steaks at 7 p.m….. Are you sure you want MORE now???

    Gary went into their bedroom…. came out with his .38 caliber revolver…. and SHOT her 6 times… at point blank range…

    Somehow, I didnt see that as God in infinite wisdom using Gary’s drunken Stupor and his precious GUN, as calling Janice Home….

    Sometimes I think the last thing some of these people seek divine guidance for is Marriage….

    Sorry for the long answer, Annie… But, I hope that helps answer your question…

  21. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Hey Mary — Name of Song? Composer?? Please??

  22. HLP
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    You can get a Hart/Schaefner/Marx suit for $600? I call bullshit!

    Just another made up personal anecdote to make one of your sick little points.

  23. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    So right angle, why do STRAIGHT people want to be married? I mean, if it’s such a bad deal and all?

    Jesus WEPT!

    The shark called. He wants you to give his back a rest over the fourth….

  24. RightAngle
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Hart/Schaefner/Marx suit for UNDER $600 GO HERE:

    http://www.hartschaffnermarx.com/mensstore/dept.asp?s_id=0&dept_name=Suits&dept_id=1000&WT.svl=deptnav2

  25. Objectivist
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Whether or not you agree with Dr. Ron Paul and his views. You have to admit that this speech is spot on. His understanding of money and economics is unmatched in Congress. Enjoy.

    Something Big is Going On

    The following statement is written by Congressman Paul about the pending financial disaster. He will introduce this statement as a special order and insert it into the Congressional Record next week. Fortunately, we have the opportunity to debut it first on the Campaign for Liberty blog. It reads as follows:

    I have, for the past 35 years, expressed my grave concern for the future of America. The course we have taken over the past century has threatened our liberties, security and prosperity. In spite of these long-held concerns, I have days—growing more frequent all the time—when I’m convinced the time is now upon us that some Big Events are about to occur. These fast-approaching events will not go unnoticed. They will affect all of us. They will not be limited to just some areas of our country. The world economy and political system will share in the chaos about to be unleashed.

    Though the world has long suffered from the senselessness of wars that should have been avoided, my greatest fear is that the course on which we find ourselves will bring even greater conflict and economic suffering to the innocent people of the world—unless we quickly change our ways.

    America, with her traditions of free markets and property rights, led the way toward great wealth and progress throughout the world as well as at home. Since we have lost our confidence in the principles of liberty, self reliance, hard work and frugality, and instead took on empire building, financed through inflation and debt, all this has changed. This is indeed frightening and an historic event.

    The problem we face is not new in history. Authoritarianism has been around a long time. For centuries, inflation and debt have been used by tyrants to hold power, promote aggression, and provide “bread and circuses” for the people. The notion that a country can afford “guns and butter” with no significant penalty existed even before the 1960s when it became a popular slogan. It was then, though, we were told the Vietnam War and a massive expansion of the welfare state were not problems. The seventies proved that assumption wrong.

    Today things are different from even ancient times or the 1970s. There is something to the argument that we are now a global economy. The world has more people and is more integrated due to modern technology, communications, and travel. If modern technology had been used to promote the ideas of liberty, free markets, sound money and trade, it would have ushered in a new golden age—a globalism we could accept.
    Instead, the wealth and freedom we now enjoy are shrinking and rest upon a fragile philosophic infrastructure. It is not unlike the levies and bridges in our own country that our system of war and welfare has caused us to ignore.

    I’m fearful that my concerns have been legitimate and may even be worse than I first thought. They are now at our doorstep. Time is short for making a course correction before this grand experiment in liberty goes into deep hibernation.

    There are reasons to believe this coming crisis is different and bigger than the world has ever experienced. Instead of using globalism in a positive fashion, it’s been used to globalize all of the mistakes of the politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers.

    Being an unchallenged sole superpower was never accepted by us with a sense of humility and respect. Our arrogance and aggressiveness have been used to promote a world empire backed by the most powerful army of history. This type of globalist intervention creates problems for all citizens of the world and fails to contribute to the well-being of the world’s populations. Just think how our personal liberties have been trashed here at home in the last decade.

    The financial crisis, still in its early stages, is apparent to everyone: gasoline prices over $4 a gallon; skyrocketing education and medical-care costs; the collapse of the housing bubble; the bursting of the NASDAQ bubble; stockmarkets plunging; unemployment rising;, massive underemployment; excessive government debt; and unmanageable personal debt. Little doubt exists as to whether we’ll get stagflation. The question that will soon be asked is: When will the stagflation become an inflationary depression?

    There are various reasons that the world economy has been globalized and the problems we face are worldwide. We cannot understand what we’re facing without understanding fiat money and the long-developing dollar bubble.

    There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 to 1933, the Central Bank established itself as the official dollar manager. By 1933, Americans could no longer own gold, thus removing restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for war and welfare.

    By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the Bretton-Woods Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency of the world. This system lasted up until 1971. During the period between 1945 and 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place. Foreigners, but not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an ounce. Due to the excessive dollars being created, that system came to an end in 1971.

    It’s the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for globalizing inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic worldwide dollar bubble. That bubble is now bursting, and we’re seeing what it’s like to suffer the consequences of the many previous economic errors.

    Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this very flawed system. Because the world accepted dollars as if they were gold, we only had to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas (indirectly encouraging our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy unearned prosperity. Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and services were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us. This allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now are starting to see.

    But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the piper. Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated. Our entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more reluctant to hold dollars. The consequence of that decision is price inflation in this country—and that’s what we are witnessing today. Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a consequence of foreign central bank’s willingness to monetize our debt.

    Printing dollars over long periods of time may not immediately push prices up–yet in time it always does. Now we’re seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply. As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning. It’s a gross distraction to hound away at “drill, drill, drill” as a solution to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.

    This bubble is different and bigger for another reason. The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy. I’m convinced that agreements among central banks to “monetize” U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone—especially the U.S. Congress that doesn’t care, or just flat doesn’t understand. As this “gift” to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.

    This time—since there are so many dollars and so many countries involved—the Fed has been able to “paper” over every approaching crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the bubble to become history’s greatest.

    The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction. This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments, and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end. We don’t have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.

    Since the correction of all this misallocation of resources is necessary and must come, one can look for some good that may come as this “Big Even” unfolds.

    There are two choices that people can make. The one choice that is unavailable to us is to limp along with the status quo and prop up the system with more debt, inflation and lies. That won’t happen.

    One of the two choices, and the one chosen so often by government in the past is that of rejecting the principles of liberty and resorting to even bigger and more authoritarian government. Some argue that giving dictatorial powers to the President, just as we have allowed him to run the American empire, is what we should do. That’s the great danger, and in this post-911 atmosphere, too many Americans are seeking safety over freedom. We have already lost too many of our personal liberties already. Real fear of economic collapse could prompt central planners to act to such a degree that the New Deal of the 30’s might look like Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence.

    The more the government is allowed to do in taking over and running the economy, the deeper the depression gets and the longer it lasts. That was the story of the 30ss and the early 40s, and the same mistakes are likely to be made again if we do not wake up.

    But the good news is that it need not be so bad if we do the right thing. I saw “Something Big” happening in the past 18 months on the campaign trail. I was encouraged that we are capable of waking up and doing the right thing. I have literally met thousands of high school and college kids who are quite willing to accept the challenge and responsibility of a free society and reject the cradle-to-grave welfare that is promised them by so many do-good politicians.

    If more hear the message of liberty, more will join in this effort. The failure of our foreign policy, welfare system, and monetary policies and virtually all government solutions are so readily apparent, it doesn’t take that much convincing. But the positive message of how freedom works and why it’s possible is what is urgently needed.

    One of the best parts of accepting self reliance in a free society is that true personal satisfaction with one’s own life can be achieved. This doesn’t happen when the government assumes the role of guardian, parent or provider, because it eliminates a sense of pride. But the real problem is the government can’t provide the safety and economic security that it claims. The so-called good that government claims it can deliver is always achieved at the expense of someone else’s freedom. It’s a failed system and the young people know it.

    Restoring a free society doesn’t eliminate the need to get our house in order and to pay for the extravagant spending. But the pain would not be long-lasting if we did the right things, and best of all the empire would have to end for financial reasons. Our wars would stop, the attack on civil liberties would cease, and prosperity would return. The choices are clear: it shouldn’t be difficult, but the big event now unfolding gives us a great opportunity to reverse the tide and resume the truly great American Revolution started in 1776. Opportunity knocks in spite of the urgency and the dangers we face.

    Let’s make “Something Big is Happening” be the discovery that freedom works and is popular and the big economic and political event we’re witnessing is a blessing in disguise.

  26. HLP
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    On sale? Really? Does anyone buy ‘off the rack’ anymore?

    Thanks for the link RightAngle, my bad.

  27. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Hank, my story is from a number of years back, IF you even bothered to read it…

    AND, if you look at the sales, you can still get one of them for under $600…. IF you have $600 for a suit… I know I dont…

  28. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    And Hank, as usual, attacks the poster, and not the post… Kinda figured one of you wing nuts would have a few comments…. And I figured they wouldnt have anything to do with the story….

    AND, before you even start in that direction, the story is NOT about GUNS…

  29. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    I reckon the BS is on Hank this time :-D

  30. littlejohn
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “Somehow, I didnt see that as God in infinite wisdom using Gary’s drunken Stupor and his precious GUN, as calling Janice Home…. ”

    I would have to agree. ALthough a believer, I am not a determinist.

    “Sometimes I think the last thing some of these people seek divine guidance for is Marriage…. ”

    Even if they do, it is often something else guiding them. :)

  31. RightAngle
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
    So right angle, why do STRAIGHT people want to be married? I mean, if it’s such a bad deal and all?

    ===============================================
    Sorry but that was my question which I have not received a reply for yet “Why would anyone, STRAIGHT or gay that is not of the faith want to have all the disadvantages of marriage?”

  32. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    The Human Rights Campaign website lists the over ONE THOUSAND civil benefits that come with legal marriage.

    And you come up with three things that are “downside”?

    I think that just about answers your question.

    The google is your friend…

  33. RightAngle
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    What Thanks ksfarmgrrl,

    I will look at them but can not most of them be had with agreements.

    What prompted this question is that I can not get long term care insurance. In order to not have to spend down my estate and leave my wife whom I love dearly in poverty because I had to spend it on long term care, and if God in his infinite wisdom does not see fit to take me quickly when the time comes, I would consider a divorce to preserve the money for her.

    I hope that will be years away, Just looking ahead.

  34. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    R-A Thats a wonderful argument for Universal Health Care… You would not be in that situation if we had Univ. Health Care!!

  35. HLP
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Yes Chas.,

    I got the point of your original post. I merely tried to inject a little humor to make my point. Obviously you didn’t get my point or chose to ignore it.

    I find it ironic that the biggest Christian basher on the BLOG is able to be viewed as the victim of Christians bashing him.

    Tedious. The profane, phoney and predictability of your posts are becoming tedious.

  36. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    And what point were you making?? The suit certainly had nothing to do with my post, other than color commentary….

  37. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Furthermore, where do you find any Christian Bashing?? huh???

  38. Rage
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    This is a disturbing development. It seems strident anti-Obama protesters at the entrance of the Unity rally were told to go to “free speech areas” and when then were at the rally itself with signs they were allowed to keep–sans sticks–some functionary took the sign away, declaring “no signs.”

    http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/obama-learns-from-bush-free-speech-edition/

    I don’t care if the protesters were supporting George Bush, ballroom dancing or “the final solution.” Using Bush’s tactics to suppress dissent is not acceptable.

  39. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I would quite agree, Rage…

  40. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Why Do We ‘Keep and Bear Arms’? Part 1
    Larry Elder
    Thursday, July 03, 2008

    “A prominent 20th-century Democrat made the following statement about the purpose of the Second Amendment: “Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. … The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.”

    The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, struck down the 1976 Washington , DC , ban on handguns. The court ruled that the Founding Fathers wanted the Second Amendment to allow individuals the right to keep and bear arms. The minority disagreed, arguing that the right only extends to those belonging to a state “militia,” such as the National Guard.

    The Second Amendment reads as follows: “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” What did the Framers mean?

    Is “Militia” — as the Framers intended — an arm of government? Or did the Framers define militia as something completely different — a group of armed citizens with a right to “keep and bear Arms” to guard against unjust or tyrannical government power.

    The Founding Fathers assumed that any government, including the one they established, could grow into a monster. They argued that only “the people” with a right “to keep and bear arms” could prevent such a tyranny.

    James Madison, the “father of the Constitution,” stated that tyrants were “afraid to trust the people with arms,” and lauded “the advantage of being armed, which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation.”

    Thomas Jefferson wrote: “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”

    George Mason said, “To disarm the people — that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

    Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts said: “What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. … Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.”

    Noah Webster, the prominent political essayist who fought in the Revolutionary War, wrote: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe . The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States . A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

    Samuel Adams likened the Second Amendment to the First: “That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

    Dictators throughout history sought to disarm their citizenries in order to impose power:

    Vladimir Lenin said, “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”

    Mao Zedong said, “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

    Josef Stalin said: “We don’t let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?”

    Adolf Hitler said: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.”

    Thomas Paine, in 1775, spoke about another kind of “tyranny.” Bans and restrictions on firearms affect the law-abiding citizenry, shifting power to the non-law-abiding. Criminals ignore laws. That’s why we call them criminals. Paine said: “The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defense. … (Weakness) allures the ruffian (but) arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world. … Horrid mischief would ensue were (the good) deprived of the use of them. … The weak will become a prey to the strong.”

    Oh, the prominent Democrat quoted in the first paragraph? It was said Oct. 22, 1959, by future senator and Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey. How times — and much of the Democratic Party — have changed.”

  41. Rage
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    I think it’s time we acknowledged the obvious: that only marriage between a man in a woman, attended by a qualified High Priestess, is considered a valid marriage in the eyes of Satan.

    That’s why it’s legal, and same-sex marriage is not. I’m certain all the good Christians in attendance will agree with me 100%. Not obeying the word of Satan will surely have distastrous consequences for our society!

    /sarcasm off

  42. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    RA, Kansas has what is known as a “spousal impoverishment” provision. Look it up.

  43. RightAngle
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink
    RA, Kansas has what is known as a “spousal impoverishment” provision. Look it up.
    ================================
    Yes, I am aware of that but even that would not let my wife retain anything even close to 50% of our estate which I feel that she should be entitled to.

  44. GMC70
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Thought this was interesting.

    For your perusal and commentary – a sample:

    The Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, upholding the Second Amendment right of individuals to own firearms, should finally lay to rest the widespread myth that the defining difference between liberal and conservative justices is that the former support “individual rights” and “civil liberties,” while the latter routinely defer to government assertions of authority. The Heller dissent presents the remarkable spectacle of four liberal Supreme Court justices tying themselves into an intellectual knot to narrow the protections the Bill of Rights provides.
    . . .

    There are many ideological differences between the conservative and liberal justices on the Supreme Court. But a consistent, stronger liberal devotion to supporting individual rights and civil liberties against assertions of government power isn’t one of them.

    ___

    Discuss.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9511

  45. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    The point?

    Hmmmm….

    Well, I simply can’t remember if Chas has EVER admitted to either being wrong on this blog or if he has even attempted to apologize for the rude things he says.

    The other night he was talking about how someone should be ashamed. I asked him, as a Christian Minister, if he even knew the meaning of the word based on his language and attitude on this blog.

    As usual, Chas acted like he had no clue what I was talking about. I told him that he swears at posters all the time here. He then said:

    “You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies”

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050

    Other posters and myself have now shown how Chas has swore at posters many times.

    In his usual Chas style, he says that he still has not swore at posters. This coming from the guy who said that his use of STFU was actually “stnad the floor up.”

    At some point, even you MonkeyHawk, have to admit what a liar Chas is.

    The point is that Chas called me a liar for something which is so plainly clear.

    Until Chas takes back his calling me a liar and apologizes for calling that person a “BI#%$” I will continue to remind him of his posts.

  46. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Thank you for posting the reminders of what okobserver (aka ksgrm) is.

  47. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Grow up boy!!

  48. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    I might say the same of you. A man would simply admit his mistakes and move on, not deny them and call people liars.

  49. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    oh yea, excuse me…. Please grow up boy…

    AND…. while you are at it, knock off the stupid harassment… :roll:

  50. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    So, ummmm I am supposed to admit a mistake I havent made… Right… like that makes a lot of sense…. Geez!!

  51. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Get the log out of your own eye Nathan.

  52. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, the simple fact that you have called me a phony minister, and a non christian dozens of times is pure proof that YOU are a liar here… Now, tell me I am wrong!!!

  53. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    You think you can call people liars when they are not and then act like it never happened.

    I am simply going to remind you of this till you own up to it.

  54. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    How can you with a straight face call someone a Bitch and then say I am a liar for saying you swear at people?

  55. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Heck Nathan, Chas even lies about lying!

    And so his lies continue to pile up, in the countless bin of the WE Blog.

    SSDD

  56. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, Nathan, “bitch” is not profanity… Pull your head out and learn something… For a change

  57. Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    The word is also not a term of endearment… And when used, not intended to be…

  58. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Good article at Cato GMC.

    Funny how the Libs claim to be the party looking out for the poor individuals, when in fact, the Libs don’t give a dang about individual rights of Freedom.

  59. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Are you going to do the four points I posted? LOL!

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-702/#comment-377191

    And does “98.5%” equal “perfectly capable”?

  60. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Nathan we have made some progress with Chas. He no longer blames his all caps post on his stroke. He has retired South Park – oh I mean square peg, ::, das, sugar, and who knows how many more.

    I have decided he has a diagnosable mental disorder and isn’t really a minister of anything, he wants to be one but – remember Sybil – his evil side keeps the dominate control. He can’t help himself!

  61. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    How is calling some a Bitch not profane?

  62. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” has found his life’s purpose, with –

    “I am simply going to remind you of this till you own up to it.”

    The key word being, “simply.”

    You’re as annoying as a three-year-old constantly asking “Why? Why? Why?” and contribute to the dialog in this forum nothing with your self-ordained pronouncements of who is or isn’t your brand of “christian.”

    For a big strong ex-Marine, your getting your panties in a wad over some random web blog post demeans you, “Nathaniel,” and the Corps.

  63. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos I’m glad I ran into you today. While reading Drudge I became very alarmed and needed your advise:

    “Due to pending disasters predicted because of global warming, government scientists are urging the creation of a new Earth Systems Science Agency — by merging the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey…

    ‘The United States faces unprecedented environmental and economic challenges in the decades ahead,’ the group warns. ‘Foremost among them will be climate change, sea-level rise, altered weather patterns, declines in freshwater availability and quality and loss of biodiversity’… Developing…

    Flat screen TVs blamed for accelerating global warming… ”

    I am calling on all bloggers especially those on the left to get rid of their flat screens now. Do your part for GW. Finally something we can all do.

  64. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Monkey when I complained yesterday that there was no substance on the blog the lefters jumped on me with both feet telling me that the blog wasn’t for substanitive info and therefore I should leave.

    Just thought I would warn you before they tell you the same thing. They get nasty about this time everyday.

    Nathan is simply trying to keep Chas honest and as I have posted I think it is mental and he (Chas) can’t help it.

  65. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    I find it annoying that Chas can do or say anything here and is never held accountable for it. Chas is never wrong and never owns up to anything he does here.

    In the past you have had no problem letting me know what you think of me as a poster here with all of your insults. Do you think that because you continue to insult me now, that it is somehow different?

    I know what kind of Marine I am and my posting here doesn’t demean that in anyones eyes except those that have already determined to see me as demeaned long before this.

    If that is how you want to continue to act here, fine.

    I choose not to.

  66. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    I am not an ex-Marine either. I am still serving. Besides, we don’t call each other ex-Marines when we get out.

    Once a Marine always a Marine.

  67. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Chas won’t be held accountable until a member of his congregations sees this website AND makes the connection.

  68. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Profanity

    Profanity is the act of using rude words. The adjective is profane. Profanities can also be called swear words, curse (”cuss”) words, dirty words, bad words, foul language, obscenity or obscene language, or expletives.

    Bitch

    Means female dog or prostitute; but is usually a rude name for a woman who is considered unpleasant or demanding, or anyone in a servile position. Can also refer to a bad situation (”I had a bitch of a time”). Also used as a verb, meaning to complain (”they bitched about the problem”). By contrast, bitchin’ (sometimes “bitchen”) can mean something very good or pleasant (”a bitchin’ car”).

  69. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity

  70. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    You can tell a Marine.
    (But not much)

  71. Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    And on this holiday weekend, a little reminder about the eeeeeevils of bottled water.

    Support your local industries! Buy and use a Coleman JUG!!!!!

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3558824

  72. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Chas

    Nathan, the simple fact that you have called me a phony minister, and a non christian dozens of times is pure proof that YOU are a liar here… Now, tell me I am wrong!!!

    I am not sure if I have ever called you a phony minister or not. I don’t think I have.

    I have often wondered how someone who acts the way you do on this blog could be a minister and questioned you on that.

    I still think the way you act here is very unbecomming of anyone calling themselves a minister, Christian or not.

    Do I still think that you are not a Christian? Yes.

    I am not going to annoy you to make a point anymore though. It only serves to detract from the blog here and doesn’t accomplish anything other than annoying you.

    Your beliefs are not Christian. The way you dodge questions about Christ and refuse to ever acknowledge what you believe about Christ along with the things you say about Religious Pluralism is why I say you are not a Christian.

    I have offered many times to stop if you would simply answer a few questions about your faith.

    You refuse to answer and when you do dodge the questions.

    I will not annoy you anymore, but that doesn’t change what I think.

  73. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Forgot the quotes on that first paragraph, that was the post from Chas I was responding to.

  74. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Coke commercial to be adapted by Obama campaign:

    http://www.kewego.co.uk/video/iLyROoaftvN1.html

    To be retitled: Obama Brings People Together

    (Great commercial by Coke, btw. Saw it in Europe. Why can’t they have Ads like this in the US?)

  75. Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Nathan, for your post above that proves you are a liar… Whether YOU like it or not, I AM a Christian… AND, whether YOU like it or not, I am not a phony minister… (you might have used the term “fake” minister — same differrence)

    Now, if you want PROOF, contact Phillip Brownlee… The Eagle has a copy of my credentials… You want to call the Eagle liars too???

    NOW, do you still want to say you are not a liar??? When you just now proved you ARE??

  76. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    That doesn’t prove I am a liar. It proves that I disagree with you calling yourself a Christian.

    Again, I don’t think I have called you a fkae minister either. I have questioned your being one in the past, but I have accepted that you are.

    That doesn’t make me a liar. That makes me sceptical.

    If I have called you a fake or phony preacher, I apologize. Any such thing was merely name calling on my part and uncalled for.

    Do I still think that the way you act here is unbecomming of a minister? Of course.

    No one need look any further for why than your post I quoted earlier.

  77. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Nathan.

    Chas has a piece of paper that SAYS he is a Christian!

    And I’m a Secret Agent Man. (Paper Card in my wallet to prove it!)

  78. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    I think he was talking about a paper showing he is a minister.

    I am not sure how the paper could prove he was a Christian.

    For someone so defensive about it, you think he would be more willing to answer the most basic questions in regards to it.

  79. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
    Chas,

    How is calling some a Bitch not profane?
    =========================================

    Intentionally irritating??? Yep…

    Profane??? Nawwwww not profane…

    Get a LIFE Nathan!!!

  80. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I get it — YOU can post that I am not a Christian, even though I am one… and YOU can post that I am not a minister…. And that is being skeptical…. BUT… if I say you are a LIAR because of what you say about me, then that makes ME a liar??

    Your logic would baffle even Socrates!!

  81. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    MAX — I see your keepers let you out of your padded room today… must be for the holidays… GET A LIFE, MAX!!!

  82. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” sitteth upon the right hand of God and says –

    (btw, I’m not sure how that’s actually work out; does that mean “Nathaniel” sitteth in Jesus’ lap? Anyway…)

    “I am not sure how the paper could prove he was a Christian.”

    Nope.

    All anyone needs to be a “Christian” is to pass the “Nathaniel” test. Which means no coarse language and accepting late-night WE Blong declarations as to who had better brush up on their technique for treading molten brimstone for eternity.

    Who among us ever realized that, come Judgment Day, the judge will be “Nathaniel?”

    Golly.

    That changes the equation, doesn’t it?

    Maybe that tells us why the Marine Corps would rather enlist ex-cons and highschool-dropouts than have “Nathaniel” return to active duty during wartime.

    When you’re too crazy for the Marines, you’re crazy, baby!

  83. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Nathan,

    He’s obviously afraid to admit to his congregation that he posts on the WE Blog as “Chas”.

    Nothin for him to be proud about on this web site.

    The Phony Preachers are harmful though, so to point out his numerous weaknesses and contradictions is the right thing to do.

    Chas brought up his alledged credentials after all, since he has no credibility thru his own words.

    Since he brought it up on the blog, it’s fair to challenge him on it.

  84. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Max when you were in that padded room did you see :: or square peg. If so he will probably look a lot like chas?

    I suspect he won’t be getting out this weekend because evil Chas is in control. Still saying he is a Christian minister.

    Have a good holiday.

  85. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Course Nathan,

    You have to assume that anyone reads the WE Blog, and that people are stupid enough to actually believe Chas.

    I’m certain the numbers for both are very low.

  86. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Your beliefs are not Christian. Would you care to prove otherwise? Are you finally willing to answer some questions?

    Once again, I am not saying you are not a minister. If I have done so in the past, I was skeptical. A lie requires intent to decieve. At no time have I intended to decieve anyone by saying you are not a minister.

    You are a liar, because you say you do not swear and then called me a liar for saying you do. By almost anyones standards and even the most commonly described standards, calling someone a Bitch is profane. Nevermind that you have called people an A$$hole as well.

    Only in your mind is it not. Then again, I am talking to the person who says STFU meant “stand the floor up.”

  87. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
    Chas,

    That doesn’t prove I am a liar. It proves that I disagree with you calling yourself a Christian.
    ===============================================

    Nathan, it DOES prove you are a liar!! How can you think that you have the mind of GOD to disagree with ANYbody who says they are a Christian??

    That is just about real close to being blasphemy against the Holy Spirit!!

    See, Nathan, you may be allowed to THINK somebody isnt a Christian… But when that person TELLS you that, and you disagree, then YOU are the liar… That isnt something you can disagree about… Not in THIS part of reality!!

    By the way, I have been meaning to ask you…. Does Satan believe in Jesus Christ??

  88. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, you could quite appropriately state that YOU arent the same kind of Christian that I AM… That would be acceptable… Because there are MANY different kinds of Christians… But to say that somebody else, who CLAIMS to be a Christian is not a Christian??? Like YOU and Granny, and others do?? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT!!

  89. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    Show me how the Marine Corps is enlisting highschool dropouts and excons.

    Then show me how they would rather do that than my going back to active duty.

    I know you can’t, you are just trying to protect your buddy Chas because he has himself in a pickle again.

    Perhaps if Chas didn’t call people Bitches and A$$holes and then act like it is not profane and call people liars who say he is swearing at posters he wouldn’t get himself into the hole to begin with.

    Of course you would never say anything to Chas about that, at least not publically.

    Perhaps you might mention something to him via email.

    Then you wouldn’t have to think you need to protect him so much by being so vulgar yourself.

  90. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I believe the term I use is A$$Whole…

    Last I looked that would be an “A” followed by two $$ signs, followed by the word Whole… Profanity??? Yea, sure… in YOUR mind!!! Why do you think it is typed that way?? LOL dim wit….

    Gotcha!! YOU made an interpretation of gibberish into what YOU wanted it to be!!

    Smoothe move there, Exlax…

  91. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Chas I am sure you are familiar with this passage of scripture. Now Monkey says he doesn’t understand what Nathan is saying but you do because you have those ‘papers’.
    —————————–
    “Many” are going to appear before the Lord “in that day” who sought to enter in at the strait gate through a false intimate association with the Lord. They will have performed works, supposedly in the Lord’s name; and the Lord, “in that day,” will reveal to them that He had nothing to do with these works.

    In Matthew 7:23 the Lord’s negative response pertains to two things: 1) entrance into the kingdom (v. 21), and 2) miraculous works (v. 22). Here the Lord declared that certain individuals will appear in His presence “in that day” who will seek admittance into the kingdom of the heavens on the basis of an intimate association with Him, wrought through having previously performed miraculous works.

    The Lord though will say, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity ['lawlessness']” (v. 23). The Lord will state that He had nothing to do with these works, and He will refuse to recognize those who had involved themselves in such works relative to the matter at hand—entrance into the kingdom.”
    ————————-
    I don’t pretend to be anyones judge; certainly not yours. But I am aware of what these words mean.

  92. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    I have every right to do that. When the things you preach here and profess are not Christian, I have every right.

  93. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    When you use the word A$$whole, everyone knows exactly what you are trying to say even though you didn’t spell it out.

  94. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Chas asks “By the way, I have been meaning to ask you…. Does Satan believe in Jesus Christ??”

    Oh he most certainly does. But the difference in Satan and a professed Christian is the we call Him our Lord, Master and Savior. Satan is so deluded with his power that he doesn’t recognize that any power he has was given to him by God and someday will be taken back the same way.

  95. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    I don’t say I have the mind of God. I don’t disagree with anyone who says they are a Christian.

    I disagree with you saying you are a Christian.

    Do you even believe in Satan? If you do, will anyone spend eternity with him in hell and what do you think will be the factor in that?

  96. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m watching the newscast of the pit bull fighting ring. WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT REPORTING THIS. What the F is wrong with you if you live next door to this and allow it to happen?

    And I notice that KAKE isn’t reporting Tiller’s exoneration.

  97. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Oh for god’s sakes will you two stop it.

  98. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Political Mama,

    I didn’t even bring up the Christian thing this time.

    I already stopped.

    Chas is just upset because he got himself into another situation that he knows he is wrong in, but can’t bring himself to admit to.

    So he is going to lash out and change the subject and try to obfuscate as much as he can.

  99. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Political Mama,

    Do you like people calling you a Bitch? Do you call people that and think it is not profane?

  100. littlejohn
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel and Chas-

    Sorry, nobody cares about your neverending argument. Please do the rest of us a favor and continue to dialogue about Chas’s religious affiliations by email. It really is reading the same posts over and over again.

  101. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    littlejohn,

    I didn’t even bring it up….

  102. littlejohn
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    That may be true. I am too tired, and too much in a hurry to look. BUt still, it goes on and on and on. Perhaps one is guiltier than the other. It would pay too just ignore it, I would think.

  103. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Yes I do consider it profane. And of course I would be irked if someone called me that.

    But you can’t admit when you’re wrong most of the time either. So just stop it!

  104. littlejohn
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    NIght all,

    And whatever your political affiliation, whatever your rligious affiliation, including none, may you have a fourth of July that is befitting what you think of the day

    Outta here. Maybe around tomorrow, maybe not. Have a great Holiday~!!!!!

  105. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Pmom sorry I added to this but I am the person he is calling a bitch. He has no right to call me that. Sorry you don’t see the wrong here when you were incensed that McCain might have called his wife the ‘c’ word. At any rate I will quit with the religious posts.

  106. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Please apologize for calling OKOB/grm the b-word. She has admited in the past to deliberately trying to annoy other posters and it may be understandable why you called her that. But, it is still possible to regret your actions even if you think they were justified. I have regretted what I have said here before. I try to leave before I get to that point. I think a lot of others do the same.

    So, surely you would agree that lowering yourself to the same level as some here is not a good idea.

  107. Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    SO — If God gave all of this power to Satan…. Do we oppose the will of God when we attempt to avoid Satan’s power?? Just wondering here…

  108. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Pit bull ring. Hmmmm…

    Yeah, if I lived next door to it, I’d probably notice it. Then I’d report it.

    Now, if I was attending Rev Wrights Church, I probably wouldn’t notice any of the profane and outrageous things he said. So there would be no problem with it.

  109. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I will do my best to ignore it.

  110. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Aw, hell (sorry ’bout that “Nathaniel”) –

    There are damned few words everybody understands; they probably should be used as often as possible.

    But “Nathaniel” — the big tough ex-Marine — gets his panties in a twist when he hears or sees them in print. And it’s proof to him that someone’s not a real “christian.”

    Yeah, he has every right in the world to say whatever he wants about coarse language and the people who utter such words.

    But “Nathaniel” doesn’t have the right to be taken seriously. And most thinking people don’t.

    Obviously, the strategy the Terrorists should use against a military force of “Nathaniels” is to attack while shouting “S#it s#it! Fuc# fuc#! Pi$$ pi$$! Pu$$Y pu$$y!” and the whole regiment would throw down their weapons and hold their ears!

    Or else, “Nathaniel” is some kook even the Marines don’t want with them in Iraq or Afghanistan. Which is evident, given the situations.

    Hey, “Nathaniel.”

    POOP!

    Now.

    Take me to your leader.

  111. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    When did God give all his power to Satan?

  112. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    nevermind….

  113. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    “Christ died for our sins.”

    If we don’t sin, He died for nothing.

    Gonna go out and sin for awhile.

    It’s Happy Hour.

  114. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    okobserver posted July 3, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Flat screen TVs blamed for accelerating global warming… ”

    I am calling on all bloggers especially those on the left to get rid of their flat screens now.
    ————–

    okobserver is a typical Republican.

    She thinks(sic) that throwing away flat screens will recover the NF3 that might have been released EARLIER, when the screen was MANUFACTURED.

    That’s a neat trick. . . those NF3 molecules floating far away up in the atmosphere, all over Earth, will be somehow be captured when you throw away your flat screen?

  115. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    okobserver, aka ksgrm,

    We’re still waiting for you to post the page # and exact quote from Al Gore’s first book, to support your LIE about his wanting very high gasoline prices.

  116. Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    littlejohn – agreed on both. Tired of the “I’m a better Christian than you” from BOTH sides.

    And, of course, a happy 4th to all. Hope you have family etc with you to enjoy!

  117. Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Happy 4th Ben!!

  118. Posted July 3, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    and okob – I hope you get to have your grandkids around for the fun!

  119. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Steven, I will consider it…. However, IF I do, Nathan will then “win” in his continued efforts at being the Blog Bully, and he will once again “get his way.” If that happens, we shall none of us, ever hear the end of it…. And especially from Max, and Granny Wench, et al…. Your thoughts??

  120. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Chas, no one is winning anything. Both of you are losing. In fact, the battle is over and you both lost.

    Childishness won.

    If nathan or anyone else thinks they are “winning” a battle, let them go. That’s how you win the war. Screw this little battle. You are better than this.

    And MonkeyHawk? That 3:59 post is just brilliant. I laughed my ass off. And the sinning one too.

    Damn guy, yer on a roll!

  121. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Not too far fetched a story.

    Welcome to Toastmasters, June 13, 2033. That’s right: 2033.

    Today Rick Campbell, one of our senior members at age 87, is here to
    reminisce a bit and give us a history lesson. He says he is so old that
    he learned to drive an internal combustion engine car (remember those)
    with a manual transmission. He once owned a typewriter. He remembers when
    bicycles had one speed, phones had two-party lines, and cameras had
    something called film. As incredible as this may seem, he says that when
    he was young, it was common for people to smoke in restaurants and public
    places. He is from a different time; almost a different world.

    I’m sure all of us are far too familiar with the tragic events of
    2010, so Rick is not going to p low that fertile field again. Instead, he
    is going to give us a personal look back at the conditions which led up
    to that fateful year, in a speech titled “2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be
    President.”

    “2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President”

    Yes, 2010 was long ago and far away.

    As we look back on history, it appears that some Presidents had an
    easy ride- times of growth and stability. Teddy Roosevelt, Warren G.
    Harding, Dwight Eisenhower, Bill Clinton come to mind. Those were good
    years to be President.

    Others were elected just when the Republic was facing terrible
    crises: Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, George W.
    Bush. They rose to the occasion, even though they were controversial and
    widely hated while in office. Not such good years to be President.

    Just a few years prior, in 2008, the country began foundering. We
    were in the sixth year of the Iraqi Occupation, and the economy was flat.
    The mainstream press clearly wanted a Democrat elected.

    Although we didn’t know it until some years later, oil producing
    nations had colluded to secretly buy their own oil on the open market,
    driving oil prices to shocking levels above the true demand price-
    reaching a high of $162 a barrel in October, 2008, just before the
    general elections.

    Their purpose was simple: to effect regime change in the United States.

    And of course, the U.S. economy was already in a real estate slump
    and also suffering the curse of stagflation; slow growth and high inflation.

    There were a million home foreclosures.

    Independent truckers went under by the thousands.

    Airlines failed. Airlines with names now long-forgotten: United,
    Delta, Northwestern, American. All now merged, of course, into the one
    lone U.S. carrier we love so much: Southwest.

    Against this backdrop of weariness of the war on terror, and economic
    distress, the American people were ripe for a demagogue, and they
    certainly got one in Barack Hussein Obama.

    He and his running mate Kathleen Sibelius inspired them with vague
    notions of hope and change; of a world in which diplomacy settled all
    international problems, of free universal health care, of abundant
    alternative energy, of peace and love.

    It was a vision too good to resist.

    The Republican nominee, a name you probably haven’t heard in years
    anyone? Yes, it was John McCain, an obscure Senator from Arizona had no
    clue how to run a national campaign, and a platform nearly as liberal as
    Obama’s.

    The selection of Condoleeza Rice as his running mate looked brilliant
    at first. Unfortunately, black voters viewed her as white, and women
    voters viewed her as one of the guys.

    Even so, the McCain/Rice ticket would hav e won the election if it
    weren’t for the fact that 16 percent of conservative Republicans voted
    for anyone remember? That’s right, Bob Barr, another name that’s a
    footnote in history.

    After Obama’s narrow win, thanks to recounts in Broward County,
    Florida, the country was positively giddy. A Democrat House, Senate, and
    President. At last an end to gridlock in Washington. Camelot!

    When Congress convened in January, 2009, the 44th President of the
    United States did something unique in history: he made good on his
    campaign promises.

    Certainly most Americans never really thought he was serious during
    the campaign. But whether because of inexperience, idealism, or simply
    incompetence, he followed through.

    In Obama’s first One Hundred Days, the Congress passed his
    initiatives, and he signed them into law as he said he would.

    He repealed the Bush tax cuts, and increased capital gains taxes.

    He enacted a windfall profits tax, and instituted price controls on
    gasoline and diesel fuel.

    He passed universal health care, which added an additional 10 percent
    tax increase on all working Americans.

    He signed the Immigrant Amnesty bill which created 12 million new
    citizens instantly, each with entitlements.

    He closed the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and summarily
    released all the detainees.

    He repealed the Patriot Act, and cut funding for espionage, and
    eliminated all terrorist listening and wiretaps.

    Most important, he began the complete and immediate withdrawal of all
    American troops from Iraq.

    He ignored the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who wanted to
    retain bases in Kuwait and Qatar. Instead, he went with the
    recommendation of Secretary of Defense Dennis Kucinich, and ordered all
    troops back to U.S. soil.

    Viola! In One Hundred Days, by May of 2009, it was all done, and the
    vision was complete. He did exactly what he said he would do.

    And so it was in the summer of 2009 that things began to unravel for
    Obama.

    Of course, the economy needed a tax cut, not an increase, and
    unemployment quickly rose to 12 percent. Even attorneys and economists
    were put in the bread lines. Hard times.

    Price controls on gasoline immediately led to shortages and gas lines.

    The global cooling trend we have seen for the past 25 years first
    became obvious in 2009, exposing the CO2 global warming fraud. People
    were justifiably angry.

    Federal deficits increased massively because thousands of baby
    boomers, facing job loss and much higher taxes, simply gave up and took
    social security.

    Although the superb U.S. health care system was thrown into disarray,
    the bright spot was the creation of the Federal Department of Health
    care, and th e immediate hiring of 250,000 administrators, inspectors and
    au ditors, the only job growth in any economic sector in 2009.

    By February 2010, the U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq was
    complete. It was a very expensive undertaking.

    And then in March, the gradual Shiite insurgencies from Iran turned
    into a true Iraqi civil war. In May, Iranian tanks crossed the border and
    quickly took Baghdad. Although the exact number is not know, at least
    230,000 Sunni Iraqis died as we stood by.

    Iran also quickly moved into undefended Kuwait.

    President Obama did exactly what he said he would. He sent Secretary
    of State Maria Cantwell to Tehran to meet with Iranian President
    Ahmadinejad.

    After two weeks of high level talks, the United States agreed to
    allow Iran to retain Iraq and Kuwait to create stability in the middle
    east, with the understanding that Israel would not be disturbed.

    Cantwell returned to Washington, and explained the agreement in her
    famous speech, in which sh e proudly noted that the Obama administration
    had finally achieved “peace in our time” in the Middl e East.

    So there was some surprise at the rocket attacks on Tel Aviv on
    August 14th.

    President Obama said, “This is not the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew.”

    The Obama administration decided it would be de-stabilizing to take
    sides in the conflict, and approximately 29,000 Israeli civilians died
    during the summer and fall.

    American Jews were appalled at the inaction. Yes, in 2010 most
    American Jews were Democrats, but because of 2010, they are solid
    Republicans today.

    As awkward as it was, everything might have turned out all right for
    the Obama administration going into the fall mid-term elections of 2010,
    if it hadn’t been for the dirty bomb in the Port of Long Beach.

    The administration had cut funding for the inspection of containers,
    because they felt it showed a “lack of trust” in the international
    trading community.

    It wasn’t really a very big bomb, and thank goodness, not a real
    nuclear device, but nonetheless it contaminated some expensive real
    estate- Newport Beach, Palos Verdes Estates- and ultimately caused the
    death of 14,000 Americans. People were especially annoyed that
    Disneyland had to be closed for decontamination.

    And so, in the midterm elections, Republicans regained control of
    both the House and Senate, and the rest is history.

    The impeachment proceedings against President Obama for “failure to
    protect and defend” were swift and nearly unanimous. Vice President
    Sibelius resigned. Newly-elected Speaker of the House, J.C. Watts, became
    the 45th President of the United States.

    But you know the rest of the story well.

    Republicans finished the war on Islamic fundamentalists, largely by
    aiming ICBM’s at Mecca and Medina.

    No Democrat has been elected President since.

    Republicans have held both Houses of Congress.

    History of Western Civilization and Economics are now taught in all
    public schools, and in English only.

    Marriage is defined as one man and one woman.

    And there are border fences, north and south.

    We old codgers remember the ancient Confucian curse: “May you live in
    interesting times.”

    Well, 2010 was an interesting year, but it was not a good year to be
    President.”

  122. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    “Obviously, the strategy the Terrorists should use against a military force of “Nathaniels” is to attack while shouting “S#it s#it! Fuc# fuc#! Pi$$ pi$$! Pu$$Y pu$$y!” and the whole regiment would throw down their weapons and hold their ears!”

    I’m still laughing, ah tell you whut…

    And imagine, as TERRIFIED as the military is of gay folks, what would happen if the terrorists stood up and shouted “I’m gay” and the commenced to swear.

    Hell, the war would have been over in “days, weeks, months”. It certainly wouldnt have taken YEARS!

  123. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    hee hee heeeeee…

    Hell, George Carlin and Martina Navratalova could have whipped the US forces by themselves…

    Lenny Bruce coulda done it single handedly!

  124. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I swear to god, boxlicker owns the kansas franchise for mouse grease.

  125. Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Who knew poodle dancers were allergic to links.

    boxie, do you think no one scrolls over if you post the whole freakin’ thing instead of a link?

    Jesus WEPT!

    I guess the poodle dancers need a long time to warm up for their main performances…

  126. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    What would I win? If you admitted that calling someone a Bitch was uncalled for and simply apologized for that and calling me a liar for pointing it out, I would drop it.

    Besides the fact that apologizing for things you are so obviously in the wrong for makes you a better person.

    Do it for yourself, not for me.

    Do it becaue you are a minister and want to set a better example.

    I could think of a dozen reasons to do it and you think that by not apologizing for your profanity here and calling me a liar for pointing it out keeps me from winning?

    Sigh…

  127. Indie
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Nathan —

    Heres the story about the Army and Marines accepting more felons —– must make you feel soooo proud and at home now that the marines / army would wave the felonies of sexual abusers Military Waivers for Ex-Convicts Increase

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042103295_pf.html

    By Ann Scott Tyson
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, April 22, 2008; A01

    The Army admitted about one-fourth more recruits last year with a record of legal problems ranging from felony convictions and serious misdemeanors to drug crimes and traffic offenses, as pressure to increase the size of U.S. ground forces led the military to grant more waivers for criminal conduct, according to new data released yesterday.

    Such “conduct waivers” for Army recruits rose from 8,129 in fiscal 2006 to 10,258 in fiscal 2007. For Marine Corps recruits, they increased from 16,969 to 17,413.

    Nathan you and I both know you could ask the Marines to retrain you to a specialty that is needed there —- and aren’t all Marines trained to be warriors first and mechanics / flyers etc are a secondary to their combat role so your claim to have volunteered to go back seems a little questionable as in LIAR !!!!!!!

  128. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    I think KFG gave a pretty good answer to your question at 5:29 p.m.

    And Nathan almost gets to the issue in his 5:36 p.m. post. Apologizing for behavior that you sincerely regret is a sign of strength, rather than weakness. There may be a few people who give you crap for doing the decent thing – which only (unbeknownst to them) helps illustrate their complete void of character – but everybody else here sees it, even if the “crapee” does not.

  129. Indie
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Nathan

    Several weeks ago your little man dad made what he said was a joke calling hillary and pelosi Bitches ‘—– and he taught you it was okay to call some one a bitch in the context of a joke — you are both so little —— and so so insignificant —- you both belong in Kansas

  130. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    I have gone on record before, and I see it is time to again. I think it is ludicrous for anyone to give Nathan crap about not being in Iraq.

    I don’t believe I ever agree with Nathan on too much, but I don’t want any of my fellow countrymen in Iraq. To scold him for not being there is just uncalled for.

  131. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Besides, I’m not linking YOU to my email account, do you have manure for brains.

  132. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Whoa…post disappeared, and then came back, explain that if you can. (?)

  133. libdave
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
    Besides, I’m not linking YOU to my email account, do you have manure for brains.”

    Gee, what a thoughtful response. The point was
    long cut and paste posts are obnoxious, and usually ignored.

  134. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Indie,

    Asking to be retrained at this point would be rather absurd.

    I am a SSgt. Going back to school to “retrain” would be setting myself back 10 years in rank vs experience/knowledge progress.

    Besides, it costs the Marine Corps money to do those things and it would have to be approved on several levels.

    My immediate command would have to approve it. Why would they? I am the Company GySgt here and what would it do for them to send me to school for another 3 months to a year to start at scratch knowledge wise in that MOS?

    Then the Battalion Command would have to approve it. Again, why would they?

    Then there is the issue of school seats. Whatever school I would be going to only has so many “seats” open based on their capacity and the needs of the Marine Corps.

    Why would the Marine Corps waste a school seat on a SSgt who is already an expert in another MOS?

    You are talking about a waste of time, resources, and space on several levels… all so that some SSgt in Kansas can retrain so that he can go to Iraq to appease a bunch of liberals on a blog?

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    And you know it.

  135. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    ok, this is weird. Someone made an ID out of my name and posted some bizarre comment from me for whatever reason, I don’t know.

    Care to explain?

  136. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    I find myself reposting much of Monkey’s work. He’s just got such a darn way with words.

    And this one…it’s MINE from here on out:

    ““Christ died for our sins.”

    If we don’t sin, He died for nothing.

    Gonna go out and sin for awhile.

    It’s Happy Hour.”

    I call no take backs lol.

  137. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    “The point was long cut and paste posts are obnoxious, and usually ignored.”

    As are those from nics like ‘libdave’

  138. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock posted July 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    The global cooling trend we have seen for the past 25 years first became obvious in 2009, exposing the CO2 global warming fraud.

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-january-2007-to-january-2008.htm

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison

  139. DavidB
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Please post a summary and link for gawd’s sake

  140. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    For claiming to be a Christian, you don’t hold back in mocking the faith of Christians.

    Why is that?

  141. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama,

    For wanting to see an end to the back and forth postings from Chas and I on Christianity, you don’t mind throwing in the mockery about Christianity yourself.

  142. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    What’s Up With Volcanoes Under Arctic Sea Ice
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/

  143. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Jesus saves!

    And with today’s high prices, that’s a real miracle.

  144. okobserver
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Maybe somethings should be off limits to joke about. I like a joke just like the next person but I agree with Nathan this isn’t funny to some of us.

  145. Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    OK Steven — Here is what I will say…. I will say that my comment re: OKOB was a bit over the edge… But, damn, I get sick and tired of having my profession demeaned day after day…. being called a Liar, because of disagreements of opinion… Being called OTHER Nics than my own… All of that CRAP… I guess with the crap I was getting out of OKOB the other day, I justs hit the old brick wall…. It was somewhat out of line…

    But, I also hope that it doesnt happen AGAIN…. Now, there… that should solve the matter….

    So… Nathan…. DROP IT!!

  146. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    DavidB,

    Boxlock’s 5:30 PM scroll-over seems just to be an inaccurate anti-Obama email, that’s being circulated by ignorant people.

  147. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Solve what?

    No where did you apologize. You justified saying what you did and said it was “somewhat” over the line.

    Either you apologize for saying it or you don’t.

    And you didn’t.

    I expected nothing less. It will truely surprise me to simply see you say, sorry.

  148. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Is okobserver going to apologize for posting lies about Al Gore?

    If not, she deserves Chas’ label.

  149. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    Will you ever apologize for all the lies and mischaracterizations you make about people posts and beliefs?

  150. Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    What did I try to tell you Steven?? I guess Nathan wants it according to HIS formula, or it isnt good enough…

    Thats as GOOD as you get Nathan…

    DROP IT NOW!!!

  151. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    How was that an apology?

    The only thing you did was admit that what you said was somewhat over the line and over the edge. You didn’t apologize for saying it though.

    You didn’t say you were wrong for saying it.

    Everyday Chas, I will post and remind you of your words until you actually apologize.

  152. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    And you still think this is about me?

    I guess somewhere I just kind of hoped that as a minister you would actually think what you said was wrong and simply apologize for it.

    I guess that is too much for me to hope for.

  153. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    What lies and mischaracterizations?

    You did seem to believe the lies from the agricultural economist Dennis Avery.

    And when you posted “all” people, that means “all” people, not a subgroup.

  154. libdave
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Grow up Nathan.

  155. HDChaplainCorps
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Chas, still waiting for your letter reporting Nathan the Marine as having posted something which would lead to misconduct charges under the UCMJ.

    It has been quite a few months now.

    Perhaps this was an untruthful post?

  156. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    “Please post a summary and link for gawd’s sake”

    DavidB,
    Ya can’t post a link to an email account “for gawd’s sake”. Does someone have to explain that to you? It came in an email in full.

    cosmos,
    Even more “ignorant people” can’t realize it is a joke and laugh.
    I swear you are the most one dimensional boring person on the blog.
    Just once post about anything but AGW, if for no other reason than I would probably get so excited I’d have a myocardial infarction and you’d be rid of me.

  157. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    I was just remembering something that is relevant here.

    I bet I wouldn’t have to look to far to find Nathan bragging about his Tshirt that says “Life is a bitch, Why vote for one?”

    Hypocrite.

    And boxy. My goodness I bet you had a wet dream awake while reading that screed.

    Dream on.

  158. Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:16 am |

    Of course Tiller has an interest in each case… But the SECOND physician is independent of Tiller…. Ya cant spin that one, McDumb scheis… Tray another one??

    Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:23 am |

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:25 am |

    Keep spinning, Dumb Scheis… Maybe you will get dizzy, and fall out of your chair… LOL

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    Chas
    Posted May 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm |
    Yep… as suspected — Nothing of substance from James when cornered — Just stupid god d am ad hominem bullsh it!!! Just as always!!
    JERK!!!

    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I believe the term I use is A$$Whole…

    Last I looked that would be an “A” followed by two $$ signs, followed by the word Whole… Profanity???

  159. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    “Maybe somethings should be off limits to joke about.”

    Really? When have you ever respected anyone’s beliefs, HOG? When have you ever chosen the truth over your own lies, HOG? When have you ever dealt fairly with someone of a different political view than yours, HOG?

  160. Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    OK Steven — Here is what I will say…. I will say that my comment re: OKOB was a bit over the edge… But, damn, I get sick and tired of having my profession demeaned day after day…. being called a Liar, because of disagreements of opinion… Being called OTHER Nics than my own… All of that CRAP… I guess with the crap I was getting out of OKOB the other day, I justs hit the old brick wall…. It was somewhat out of line…

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:16 am |

    Of course Tiller has an interest in each case… But the SECOND physician is independent of Tiller…. Ya cant spin that one, McDumb scheis… Tray another one??

    Regular
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:23 am |

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 7:25 am |

    Keep spinning, Dumb Scheis… Maybe you will get dizzy, and fall out of your chair… LOL

    Chas
    Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am |
    “I do not swear at posters”

    Chas
    Posted May 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm |
    Yep… as suspected — Nothing of substance from James when cornered — Just stupid god d am ad hominem bullsh it!!! Just as always!!
    JERK!!!

    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    I believe the term I use is A$$Whole…

    Last I looked that would be an “A” followed by two $$ signs, followed by the word Whole… Profanity???

  161. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Let me help you with this, McLiar, you are an asshole.

    Does that help?

  162. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Shall I go get some of your greatest spits there Jimmuh?

    Nah they are the stuff of legend. Everyone knows you’re a kook.

  163. American
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Can you build it?

    Yes we can!

    Obama’s served only one term in the senate?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama’s had no executive experience?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama went to Chicago UCC for 20 years and didn’t hear what Pastor Jeremiah Wright said?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama associated with a known domestic terrorist, William Ayres?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama is the most liberal senator in congress and is pretending to be a moderate now?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama associated with and was mentored by avowed communists.

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama didn’t pass any of his own legislation when in the Illinois Senate or the US Senate and often voted only present when he didn’t want to reveal what he really stood for.

    Change you can believe in!

    The best thing Obama has going for him is his speaking ability and his “Rock Star” appeal.

    Change you can believe in!

    Are tickets available to here him speak or to go to his concert?

    Change you can believe in!

    Father Phlegler spoke at his church at UCC.

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama is glad that gas prices are going up?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

  164. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Heheeh. No one said grmie didnt deserve it. It’s just that, well, Chas, you have sweared at/about other posters. Regular readers know it. SO.. might as well own up and go on.

    If Nathan choses to demand apology on HIS terms, well, we all see that too. We know how he splits hairs, and can pick up a pipe and say “this is not a pipe” as Rage used to say.

    Reminds me of the Pink Panther when a guy asks him, about the dog standing next do the Panther, “does your dog bite?”

    Panther says “no”.

    Guy reaches down to pet dog, and dog promptly bites the hell outa him.

    Outraged, the guy says to Panther, “hey, I thought you said your dog doesnt bite!”

    Panther cooly replies “Iss noot mah dog”.

    Splitting hairs is funny for the Pink Panther. Day after freakin’ day on this blog? Funny, not so much.

    Chas, I believe you are a minister and a christian. Reasonable people do too.

    These guys are just yankin’ your chain to listen to you yelp.

    Dont give them the satisfaction. Like I said, also believe you are better than that.

    And them.

    If they wanna waste the bandwidth to harass you day after day, let them.

    It’s obvious to anyone who reads here.

  165. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    And boxlicker posting wingnut emails, the equivalent of cyber chain mail, is just too funny. No wonder they cant be linked.

    WHO TF would want to claim responsibility for them?

    And the REALLY funny part? Boxy thinks they have value.

    Hey boxlicker, I hear there is money waiting for you in Nigeria. I bet you get emails about that too.

    Probably from the same spam artists.

    hehehehheheheheeh!

  166. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Looks like american (of the USA OF COURSE!) is on the same email spam list. I wonder if HE’s claimed his fortune in Nigeria?

    For a small fee, of course….

  167. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Heheheheh Pmom and MonkeyHawk.

    Reminds me of John Prine’s “Sam Stone”. Truely, the saddest song ever sung.

    “there’s a hole in Daddy’s arm, where all the money goes. And Jesus Christ died for nothing I suppose”

    Goes on after Sam commits suicide.

    “but life had lost it’s fun. And there was nothing to be done, but trade his house that he bought on the GI bill. For a flag draped casket on a local hero’s hill”

    “There’s a hole in Daddy’s arm, where all the money goes, and Jesus Christ died for nothing I suppose”.

    Like I said, the saddest song ever sung.

  168. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812

    THE BTICH QUITS!”

    Nathaniel posted June 7, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    I guess I can’t wear my T-Shirt now…

    LIFE IS A %$#%$, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?

  169. American
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Can you build?

    Yes we can!

    Obama’s served only one term in the senate?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama’s had no executive experience?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama went to Chicago UCC for 20 years and didn’t hear what Pastor Jeremiah Wright said?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama associated with a known domestic terrorist, William Ayres?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama is the most liberal senator in congress and is pretending to be a moderate now?

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama associated with and was mentored by avowed communists.

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama didn’t pass any of his own legislation when in the Illinois Senate or the US Senate and often voted only present when he didn’t want to reveal what he really stood for.

    Change you can believe in!

    The best thing Obama has going for him is his speaking ability and his “Rock Star” appeal.

    Change you can believe in!

    Are tickets available to here him speak or to go to his concert?

    Change you can believe in!

    Father Phlegler spoke at his church at UCC.

    Change you can believe in!

    Obama is glad that gas prices are going up?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

    What concrete plan has Obama presented for what he would do after being elected?

    Change you can believe in!

  170. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    No Chas,

    Doing the decent/right thing is something that one does regardless of what others do. To claim their behavior is the cause of yours, would make you no better than them – which would be quite sad in my opinion.

    Thinking that Chas is no better than James McCluer or Nathan – that would make me very sad – I wanted to think differently. But, unlike some, I can adjust to reality.

  171. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Also, notice how quickly Nathan’s new leaf has wilted and showed his true character. No surprise there. I have my theories as to why, but I won’t share them.

  172. Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    You knew the link would follow. This is John singing a shortened version of the song and talking about it to Bobby Bare. The END of the interview is the best.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206XaNxQ5LQ&feature=related

  173. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock posted July 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    cosmos,
    Even more “ignorant people” can’t realize it is a joke and laugh.

    ————–

    Correct. Many people, like Hank and outlander on this blog, incorrectly believe that AGW is over and the Earth is cooling.

  174. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Agree 100% with farmgrrl there Chas.

    The mistake you make is thinking you have to justify yourself to people like “Regular” and Nathan.

    Well? “Regular” is a kook.

    And Nathan? The way I like to put it is that Nathan lives in a box. When you try to argue with Nathan, you go into that box. Nathan then sets the size, shape, and rules for the box.

    What’s MORE fun is catching him out of his box, as cosmos and I just did.

    If you had not been here today, it is entirely possible that Nathan and “Regular” might have come to blows. They are two ego maniacs looking for a fight. Sooner or later, they’re gonna tangle.

  175. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    “Panther cooly replies “Iss noot mah dog”.”

    Thanks, friend, I really needed that laugh. The moral high ground here is such a slippery slope. Thanks for being you and happy 4th!!!

  176. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Please list the group(s) of humans NOT included in your statement below.

    Nathaniel posted June 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375549

    As humans, we all fall prey to the same failings (what I would call sin, but for this discussion we will forgo that term), those of greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc.

  177. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Back at ya Steven! Wish you and yours were gonna be here for the annual fried chicken and potato salad extravaganza!

  178. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    “If you had not been here today,”

    Hmmm I didn’t mean it exactly the way that sounds.

    I want you posting here Chas. Just don’t reaction post. That is what THEIR side does and the core of who they are.

  179. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    KFG,

    Loved that Prine youtube. I have always felt real sad about the Sam Stone song – it is a beautiful piece of work and to hear him talk about the details of that creation was wonderful.

    Wish I could be up there with you guys, but I am going to stay at home and buy no fireworks this year. Hope you have a good time.

  180. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    So, Steven, just how much of Nathan’s Arse am I supposed to kiss to placate the child??

  181. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    So, Steven, just how much of Nathan’s back side am I supposed to kiss to placate the child??

  182. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    OK Steven… So what do I have to do here, to satisfy the child’s demands… I gotta admit I am feeling a little bit blackmailed here… I already posted that I was over the edge, and went somewhat over the line…

  183. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
    So, Steven, just how much of Nathan’s Arse am I supposed to kiss to placate the child??
    *****
    Sorry, Chas, your approach to the problem is not terribly helpful. My reply would be how much of his ass to you want to kiss, by being a jerk about not doing what you know is the decent/moral thing to do? Simple question. Why does it have to be so difficult?

    Chas, I hope you know, I like you. Being a dumb jerk is not very becoming here – we all know you can do better.

  184. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay — I understood what you meant…

  185. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm I MADE an apology… What more do you all want??

  186. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Sorry about those multiple posts above… Blog didnt want to take the post… made them vanish… so they got re-typed…

  187. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas…………… just ignore the sons of bitches…………………. they are not worth the effort and they are just dragging you down to their level.

    Just promise them afterlife tequila.

  188. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    LOL Clark

  189. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    WS I’m going to kick your butt. Go over to the Tiller thread. Bad MOVE for your man Obama.

  190. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    EDITED RE-POST >>>>

    OK Steven — Here is what I will say…. I will say that my comment re: OKOB was a bit over the edge… I justs hit the old brick wall…. It was somewhat out of line…

    I hope that it doesnt happen AGAIN…. Now, there… that should solve the matter….

    Now — Nathan… DROP IT!!!

  191. Boxlock
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Gawd, there she goes again, “hehehehheheheheeh”, the ksfarmgrrl. How obnoxious!
    http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=BDX/BDX322/bxp58623.jpg

    I don’t know what emails from Nigeria you are referring to, but apparently you get them to know so much. They must have the donkeys pinpointed.

  192. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    If the afterlife tequila fails, you can always offer the Angry Johnny “Six bullets for Jesus” alternative:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HtUE9YkNIA

    Saw these guys at Kirby’s beer store. They are crazy and funny!

  193. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    “WS I’m going to kick your butt.”

    I have no doubt that you are capable and even perhaps justified…………..

    But I do think that the MSM is doing their best to paint Obama as taking a hard shift to the right. Personally, I do not believe that they are portraying a true picture of his positions…..

    ….. but I will reserve further comment until I read more.

    I will, however, not support any rollback of a woman’s right to choose, nor will I support any erosion of the push for gay rights.

  194. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Night all. Have a good 4th!!!

  195. Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    LOL I saw that video Steven… Hilarious!!

  196. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Steven,

    I hadn’t thought that my new leaf had wilted.

    I don’t think that I had called someone a name today or said anything rude, mean, or vulgar.

    If I have, please let me know.

  197. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    “How obnoxious!”

    Not nearly as obnoxious as your continued existence on our fair planet, Box Head.

    Please take a tequila shower as soon as possible.

  198. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Exactly what level would Chas be sinking to when it is both you and he who continue to use the profanity and call people names?

    I am attempting to be more civil here.

    You sound rather hypocritical when you call us sons of bitches in the same post you are defending Chas calling someone a Bitch in then talk about your sinking to our level.

    Yeah right.

  199. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    “Exactly what level would Chas be sinking to when it is both you and he who continue to use the profanity and call people names?”

    Well, (feces head), I am not a god damned minister, so I don’t have to worry about sinking to your phucking level – it makes no difference to me.

    I can take the high road (I like it that way) and kick your lousy right wing, holier than thou conservative ass, or I can take the low road (been there, done that) and still kick your so-called Christian “I am better than you” conservative ass.

    Take your pick, Price, I don’t give a good god damn.

  200. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Ok. So what you said was over the line.

    Are you sorry for saying it?

    We already knew it was over the line. What I was looking for was an apology.

  201. Political_mama
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    another entire thread ruined.

  202. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Nathan has his own apologizing to do.

    What he is trying to do now is to bait Chas into a further fight over the definition of “apology”.

    To whit, Nathan is inviting people into his box.

    Don’t go there. Catch him out of his box. Like when he bragged about his Tshirt that sported the word “bitch”.

  203. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    I pick the high road. It would be a first for you. It would be nice to see if you would actually do that.

  204. BlueJay
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    “We already knew it was over the line.”

    Calling ksgrm aka okobserver a “bitch” was over the line?

    Who is this “we” you speak of Nathan? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    The word is unfortunate. I would not have used it. Both you Nathan and ksgrm have said far worse about others.

  205. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    “It would be nice to see if you would actually do that.”

    Anytime Price, but I would bet that it would not take more that five posts before you would attack someone for their religious beliefs, their lifestyles or their (alleged lack of) reading comprehension.

    Ah, you have turned over a new leaf – make that six posts.

  206. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Yes Nathaniel, you are a polite, “Christian” person. /sarcasm OFF

    MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812

    “THE BTICH QUITS!”

    Nathaniel posted June 7, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    “I guess I can’t wear my T-Shirt now…

    LIFE IS A %$#%$, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?“

  207. lindainks55
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    what goes around comes around. karma. ;-)

  208. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    As my 13 yr old daugher says: “Dad,’Stairway to Heaven’is the most overdone song of your generation.” Of course she is correct. Check out this version. It is great!!!:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnbIva4XxKA

  209. Nathaniel
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    You think you can go longer than I can without being rude or vulgar or name calling?

  210. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    I LOVE Cello arrangements!! Thanks Steven — Got that one in Favorites!!

  211. lindainks55
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Yes there are two paths you can go by
    but in the long run
    There’s still time to change the road you’re on

  212. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Looks like some dont know what the definition of DROP IT is :-D

  213. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    HI LINDA!!! :-*

  214. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    OK emoticons… be that way… :-D

  215. lindainks55
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    I just went over to my iGoogle page to check the headlines. I have “Things to Ponder,” and it had these words:

    Why do people who know the least know it the loudest?

  216. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Well, Summer Holiday tomorrow…. IF I can scrape together $10, I might go visit the relatives at the Zoo… I’m sure Uncle PUD has missed me… And I havent even seen the Gorilla cousins yet… :-( IF the weather is good, of course….

  217. Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Yep indeed, something to ponder, Linda!!

    You have big plans for tomorrow??

  218. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    You attacked me for pointing out that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is a liar.

    Aren’t you going to continue defending your friend ‘Regular’, by answering my post?
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-702/#comment-377191

    And Nathaniel. . . does “98.5%” equal “perfectly capable”?

  219. lindainks55
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    I have NO plans. I don’t like things that go boom. My daughter and I have been planning a trip to the lake for early August. We found a resort with a four bedroom house available. Two queen sized beds in three of the bedrooms and four twin beds in the fourth. So, we’re gonna have some family togetherness!

    Did I ever tell you that my daughters breed well in captivity? I have a bunch of grandkids. ;-)

    My son from Boston is coming home and a lady friend of his who now works in San Diego will join us. Keep your fingers crossed on this one! He (my son) is such a nerd! She, the lady scientist now in San Diego, is so wonderful! She is Canadian, earned her PhD at Harvard… I wish for him more than his work! She is much more than his work! lol

  220. WSClark
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    “You think you can go longer than I can without being rude or vulgar or name calling?”

    Nope. I feel no obligation to be civil in any manner or form with any conservative on this planet.

    I detest every single one of you. I detest every holier than thou self righteous Christian that claims to be speaking for God. I detest all of you.

    You all make me sick to my stomach.

    I wish that all of you would enjoy a tequila shower.

    I am not going to “play nice” any longer.

    You sons of bitches crossed the line long ago.

    Have any of you denounced McCluer or Rossell or Box Head or American or MaxGrabdix or HOG or any of the other “conservatives for their comments?

    So, if you expect me to “play nice” then you are sorely mistaken.

    Phuck all of you – please take a tequila shower REAL, REAL soon.

  221. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink
    Yes there are two paths you can go by
    but in the long run
    There’s still time to change the road you’re on
    *****
    So true. But in truth, there are more than two paths… This time, really, night all.

    Sent you an email Linda. Important stuff in terms of tearing down the walls and jumping over those barriers with our Mausers. Max will have a wet dream about that, but it will not be important. Night.

  222. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 3, 2008 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock posted July 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “Not too far fetched a story.

    Welcome to Toastmasters, June 13, 2033. That’s right: 2033.

    The global cooling trend we have seen for the past 25 years first became obvious in 2009, exposing the CO2 global warming fraud.
    —————

    Boxlock, please give copies of your posts to your grandchildren.

    They will find YOUR posts “interesting” to read, in 2033.

  223. Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    LOL Cosmos… That they will!!

  224. Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Good night; good luck; God bless —
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    Special blessings to Linda and her family camping/resort trip in August!!

    HAPPY FOURTH TO ALL!!

    So mote it be!!

  225. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Your posts will be no different than the very first time we ever posted towards one another.

    You were nothing but a rude and vulgar person and then and I never expected much more from you since.

  226. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Fah on the “Founding Fathers” rich men all who pretended at seeking freedom.

    From the musical 1776. Here is what was in the mind of the Founding Liars.

    “Dickinson:
    Oh say do you see what I see?
    Congress sitting here in sweet serenity
    I could cheer; the reason’s clear
    For the first time in a year Adams isn’t here
    And look, the sun is in the sky
    A breeze is blowing by, and there’s not a single fly

    I sing hosanna, hosanna
    Hosanna, hosanna
    And it’s cool

    Come ye cool cool conservative men
    The likes of which may never be seen again
    We have land, cash in hand
    Self-command, future planned
    Fortune flies, society survives
    In neatly ordered lives with well-endowered wives

    We sing hosanna, hosanna
    To our breeding and our banner
    We are cool

    Come ye cool cool considerate set
    We’ll dance together to the same minuet
    To the right, ever to the right
    Never to the left, forever to the right
    May our creed be never to exceed
    Regulated speed, no matter what the need

    We sing hosanna, hosanna
    Enblazoned on our banner
    Is keep cool

    What we do we do rationally
    We never ever go off half-cocked, not we
    Why begin till we know that we can win
    And if we cannot win why bother to begin?
    Rutledge:
    We say this game’s not of our choosing
    Why should we risk losing?
    All:
    We are cool

    To the right, ever to the right
    Never to the left, forever to the right
    We have gold, a market that will hold
    Tradition that is old, a reluctance to be bold.
    Dickinson:
    I sing hosanna, hosanna
    In a sane and lucid manner
    We are cool
    All:
    Come ye cool cool considerate men
    The likes of which may never be seen again
    With our land, cash in hand
    Self-command, future planned
    And we’ll hold to our gold
    Tradition that is old, reluctant to be bold.
    We say this game’s not of our choosing
    Why should we risk losing?

    We cool, cool, cool
    Cool, cool, cool
    Cool cool men.

  227. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    “You were nothing but a rude and vulgar person and then and I never expected much more from you since.”

    Thank you, Price, please take a tequila shower soon.

    Whoops! You ain’t worth good tequila – better drop down to Jose Cuervo for you, since you are such a lying hypocritical so-called Christian do gooder.

    You want rude and vulgar?

    Phuck you and the dog your Daddy mated with to produce a son of a bitch like you.

  228. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Perhaps your family should be more apalled by your words here than anyone elses.

    I don’t see how your son-in-law and his friends could be upset by what others have said here and not by what you do.

    Would you act like that at the BBQ if I were to have come over?

  229. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    “Would you act like that at the BBQ if I were to have come over?”

    Yes.

  230. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    So tell me again, how can you talk about not sinking to our level when you continue to make it obvious that there is no depth to which you are not willing to go?

    When you are already near the bottom, don’t you think you are the Hypocrite telling others that you will not “sink” to their level when you so clearly strive to be beneath them while saying it?

  231. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    So when you have no problem saying the garbage you do about my family and I, why do you act upset when anyone says crap about you and your family?

  232. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    I could see it now…

    I would be trying to enjoy some of your ribs, politely saying:

    “Nice ribs, they are really good.”

    Meanwhile, WS Clark, in front of his family would say:

    “Phuck you and the dog your Daddy mated with to produce a son of a bitch like you.”

    I bet your Granddaughter would love to see you act like that.

    Is that the example you want to set for her?

  233. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Ahem: While you people are arguing about personalities, I posted this on another dumb thread:
    *************************************

    Thanks, Linda.

    If I seem very frustrated it’s because the prevailing assumption among the stupid and politicos (I repeat myself) is that, even if this new type of surveillance violates the prohibition against “general warrants” that gave us the Fourth Amendment in the first place, surely the increased security of such measures makes them inevitable.

    Yeah, yeah, I know all the arguments of the difficulty of tracing IP addresses to exact locations. It’s mostly crap (in the Western world, it’s a non-issue), but it’s idiotic to presume that dragnet sweeps of international communications from United States will help, in any way.

    In fact, many experts agree with what I concluded at the outset: the more data, the more complexity, the false positives—and false negatives. It’s a lazy-and-stupid person’s method for fighting terrorism. And I don’t care if the method is data mining, pattern mining or whatnot. “Garbage in, garbage out” still applies.

    http://www.techworld.com/storage/features/index.cfm?featureid=2770
    http://www.schneier.com/essay-108.htmles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_6_35/ai_109085440/pg_7
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800524.html

    Discussion? Maybe? Liberals: McCain is–of course–a bit worse on this one. That doesn;t make Obama’s intellectually vapid concession acceptable. All the more so because he isn’t intellectually vapid (I guess he’s in training or something).

  234. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    “So tell me again, how can you talk about not sinking to our level when you continue to make it obvious that there is no depth to which you are not willing to go?”

    I suggested that CHAS not sink to your level. As for me, I learned how to fight in the gutter about forty years ago – if you want to play that game – I know all the “rules.”

    “So when you have no problem saying the garbage you do about my family”

    The “family” you are referring to also posts here and has no phuckin’ problem with telling someone to ESAD.

    Your “family” has chosen to make themselves fair game – mine has not.

    So phuck you and your father’s “favorite” dog.

  235. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    It’s kinda campy. But I LOVE the musical 1776.

    I find myself identifying with John Adams. He was obnoxious and disliked too. By those who would hold back. By the provincial and the staid and and the moneyed.

    I’d be watching it now if I could find it.

    I love this song.

    “Adams:
    Is anybody there?
    Does anybody care?
    Does anybody see what I see?

    They want to me to quit; they say
    John, give up the fight
    Still to England I say
    Good night, forever, good night!
    For I have crossed the Rubicon
    Let the bridge be burned behind me
    Come what may, come what may

    Commitment!

    The croakers all say we’ll rue the day
    There’ll be hell to pay in fiery purgatory
    Through all the gloom, through all the gloom
    I see the rays of ravishing light and glory!

    Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
    Does anybody see what I see?

    I see fireworks! I see the pagaent and
    Pomp and parade
    I hear the bells ringing out
    I hear the cannons roar
    I see Americans – all Americans
    Free forever more

    How quiet, how quiet the chamber is
    How silent, how silent the chamber is

    Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
    Does anybody see what I see?

  236. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    The way you said what you did was clearly an insult towards my mother as well.

    Care to take that back?

  237. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel. . .

    So you have no answers to my questions?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-73/#comment-377951

  238. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    “Nice ribs, they are really good.”

    No, you would just be the usual self-righteous asshole that you usually are, Price, and you would bitch about whatever I made because you do not have the decency to be polite or kind or respectful about anyone to the left of Adolph Hitler.

    And that is just who you are, Price.

  239. Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Great lyrics, Jay… terific!!

  240. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Where do you see me playing that game?

    You are the only one in the gutter here.

  241. Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    * teriffic * even

  242. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    “The way you said what you did was clearly an insult towards my mother as well.”

    “Care to take that back?”

    As soon as you take back the insults directed at my son, my daughter, my son in law and my granddaughter.

  243. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    How many blog meetings have you been to?

    I have been to about 5.

    At everyone of them I was nothing less than nice and polite to everyone.

    I loved KFG’s chicken and even was given some to take home. Her salad is to die for.

    You know nothing about me. You think that because we argue on an internet blog you know me?

    Obviously not.

  244. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Is Clark the liar whining again?

    That guy never quits crying and moaning.

  245. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    I have never insulted your granddaughter to my knwoledge, so if you know something in particular you will have to remind me.

    I take back what I said about your son and son-in-law as well.

    I should never have said those things.

  246. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    To the “lurkers” (those who read without posting:

    Some ugly things have been posted here. Having witnessed them, I would gladly point out the people who made these foul statements–but i won’t repeat them. Why bother?

    Do you give a damn? Do you believe, e.g. the WSClark did (whatever), because some moron on a blog attacked him with some vague innuendo?

    Congratulations! You’ve Won! Go to Fox News to collect your prize!

  247. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    “How many blog meetings have you been to?”

    Zero – ask me ten years from now and the answer will be the same.

    “You know nothing about me.”

    I know way too much about you. You are a lying, two faced, holier than thou, self righteous, self proclaimed Christian that claims to be able to stand in judgment of everyone else.

    “You think that because we argue on an internet blog you know me?”

    I thank God every day that I do NOT know you. More importantly, I also thank God that my Grandchildren do not have ANY exposure to you in any way.

    And…………….

    “Is Clark the liar whining again?”

    Eh, the admitted liar McCluer shows up! Well, McCluer, married and divorced or never married, McLiar? Do you have children, JM, or are you still a virgin?

    Eh?

    Conservatives are such LIARS…………

  248. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    What would Jesus have said, if he had been with you when you bought your t-shirt that says:

    “LIFE IS A BITCH, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?”

  249. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    and Clark the liar, keeps whining and whining and whining and whining and whining and whining…

  250. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Still no answers to my questions?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-73/#comment-377951

  251. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    For Price and McLiar, Jesus would have been looking for a really good bottle of tequila.

  252. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    I have to admit, that I am glad that your family will not be exposed to me either. Not because of anything I would say or do, mind you.

    If they were, I would hate to see you act the way you do here in front of them as you said you would.

    I would be embarrassed for you.

  253. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Clark the liar thinks he funny screwing up an old Irish joke about urinating over a grave.

    Clark the liar has no sense of timing or distribution of mental faculties.

    (chortles)

  254. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    “I have to admit, that I am glad that your family will not be exposed to me either”

    I have told my family about you, Price. They have read many of your posts.

    They threw up.

  255. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    How many people want to see you again Nathan?

    How many people who have not met you want to?

  256. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    “and Clark the liar, keeps whining and whining and whining and whining and whining and whining…”

    We have two ADMITTED LIARS on this blog.

    McCluer (under many, many, many nics) and Okie-Dope (under at least two known nics.)

    And then McLiar has the gall of accusing someone else of lying?

    (Feces), what a phuckin’ hypocrite.

  257. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    If what you post is at least 10 times worse than anything I post here and is done so 10 times more than I post here, how do they respond to what you post here?

    They would have to be sick for weeks after reading what you post if what I post makes them throw up.

  258. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    I have told my family about you, Price.
    ———————————
    Translated:

    CLARK THE LIAR: I whined and cried to my family about you. I tell them how you are so mean to me. boo hoo, rub my neck and get me a beer.

  259. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    “Clark the liar has no sense of timing”

    McCluer the ADMITTED liar can’t seem to understand that his past history of lying makes him a HUGE hypocrite when he accusing anyone else of lying.

    But then, his IQ is barely above that of a turnip.

  260. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    You might have missed it, but I did comment about your request.

    Any reply to that for me?

  261. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Will this be “awaiting moderation”?

    Folks–those of you I’ve met in RL, and those I haven’t. . . .

    Do you live for this stuff, or what?

    Whatever. If it trips your trigger, it’s cool.

    Only difference from my previous post: “stuff” was a different word.

  262. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Ah–I see. Hypothesis confirmed.

    The people at Wordpress are FULL OF STUFF!

  263. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Damn I wish I could find “1776″

    It is SO illustrative of how liberals had to compromise with conservatives to get this country born.

    That compromise only forestalled a civil war between the parties.

    We see the same to this day.

  264. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    “They would have to be sick for weeks after reading what you post if what I post makes them throw up.”

    No, they find your faux Christian hypocrisy to be vomit inducing………………

    …………… in fact, my granddaughter just woke up from a deep sleep, walking by and saw that you were on the Blog and just tossed her red beans and rice.

    Thanks, Price, now I have a mess to clean up.

    But, since you asked, my grand kids adore me and my family thinks that I am a wonderful father and grandfather.

    They think that you and McLiar suck.

  265. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Do your grandkids adore your vulgar language and the way you act on this blog towards others too?

  266. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    …………… in fact, my granddaughter just woke up from a deep sleep, walking by and saw that you were on the Blog and just tossed her red beans and rice.

    roflmao!

    Yeah, Clark the liar just created another whopper. Like an eight year old is going to stop by and look at a computer screen on her way to throw up.

    Most likely no one there in Clark’s house but a few thousand roaches crawling in and out of empty beer cans and old ‘whopper’ wrappers.

  267. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    “Do your grandkids adore your vulgar language and the way you act on this blog towards others too?”

    Yes, they expect that their grandfather will fight for them and the future of this country and they absolutely adore me.

    There is nothing you or that flaming hypocrite McLiar could possibly say that would change that.

    Did I mention that my family thinks that you and your buddy McLiar suck?

    And really bad, too?

  268. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    “You might have missed it, but I did comment about your request.”

    Huh?

    Was it your usual McLiar level bulls(k)it or did you actually have something to say?

  269. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Rage,

    And how do we know that what people like Nathaniel post here isn’t RL?
    —————

    Would Jesus have been able to kill people from a long distance, as well as Nathaniel brags that he can?

    Nathaniel posted June 29, 2008 at 2:23 am
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375611

    I am quite capable of hitting a person at 600 yards with open sights.

    Give me a scope and 7.62 rifle and we are talking 1000 yards.

    If I can ever afford a Barrett .50 caliber rilfe I could hit someone at much, much, much further distances.
    ————–

    Hopefully, Nathaniel will not be able to “afford a Barrett .50 caliber rilfe”.

  270. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    Don’t you think it is a little bit cheap to use your family like this in an argument, especially when just upthread you said that they are not part of the blog and deserve nothing said about them here?

  271. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    “Yeah, Clark the liar just created another whopper.”

    How is your “son” doing, McLiar?

    By the way, how can you have a “son” if you are still a virgin?

    Eh?

    Can’t answer, can you, McLiar?

  272. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    “Don’t you think it is a little bit cheap to use your family like this in an argument, especially when just upthread you said that they are not part of the blog and deserve nothing said about them here?”

    Did I mention that my daughter also puked when I mentioned some of the stuff you were posting, Price?

  273. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    We’ll leave Clark the liar crying in his beer and having his midnight multiple whopper and extra large fries snack.

    Clark the liar sings:

    I’m a boo-hooing about you.
    You make me so blue,
    I wish you go away because
    I can’t make it through another liberal day
    without boo-hooing about you.
    waaaahhh haaaaahhhwaaaaahh

  274. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    Since Jesus destiny didn’t involve shooting people and there being no guns during that time frame, I would have to say no.

    By the time I can afford a barrett .50 caliber, I might as well save up for this baby:

    http://gizmodo.com/archives/barrets-xm109-nohassle-25mm-sniper-rifle-019817.php

    The XM-109 25mm sniper rifle.

    Wow, what a gun!

  275. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Damn I wish I could find “1776?

    I hear you, Jay. Anyone who thinks the Internet makes books unnecessary is a misguided fool.

    Maybe it’s out there somewhere, but I remember Madison’s letter to Jefferson, rough paraphrasing: “the Quakers presented several petitions for abolishing slavery and, although they were not thrown under the table, they were treated with as much contempt as if they were.”

    The Quakers were right–but the fix was in. Too much money was involvewd. And the stakes were a hell of a lot higher than now–the cohension of a rebellious collection of British colonies, as opposed to maintaining the corporate comfort of our moneyed masters.

  276. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Do you kiss your mother with the mouth you use here Nathan?

    Oh, that’s right, you don’t even acknowledge your mother anymore.

    Wanna fight dirty? I’m game.

  277. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    What an example you set here. You post nothing but vulgarity and then use your grandkids to support doing so.

    Wow.

    I think you have done far more to destroy any credibility you had here all by yourself tonight.

    God Bless you and your family.

    Good night.

  278. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    “We’ll leave Clark the liar crying in his beer and having his midnight multiple whopper and extra large fries snack.”

    How much “child support” do you have to pay each month, McLiar, for your “son?”

    “Wow, what a gun!”

    Which makes up for your lack of #!)*&%~#$~@$^()#!##, right?

  279. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    I must have missed where I was fighting dirty.

    Good night.

  280. WSClark
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    “You post nothing but vulgarity and then use your grandkids to support doing so.”

    Sorry, Price, my granddaughter meant to say “phuck you, Price, you self-righteous hypocrite” but she needed to get back to bed.

    Good night, all ye hytpocrites right wing liars!

  281. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    The “Revolution” was a damned sham Rage.

    It was compromise emobodied in cronyism.

    I’m glad it happened. Many members of my long gone family even helped it happen.

    Maybe it needs to happen again.

  282. Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    One last note…

    It is hard to fight a revolution without guns there BlueJay.

    Good luck.

  283. Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink
    WS Clark,

    Do your grandkids adore your vulgar language and the way you act on this blog towards others too?

    =======================================

    Nathan
    Posted December 25, 2007 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
    JR,

    I am not “speculating” on your motives.

    I am commenting on your actions here, which ring of utter insincerity.

    The “poster” which you have been talking about and continue to do so has a name. Not using the name doesn’t change the fact that you are indeed talking about him.

    You have yet to add one substantive thing to this conversation other than trying to demean me or my father.

    Shouldn’t you be looking at all your underage teenage girls websites getting your jollies right about now?
    ========================================

    Uh huh… I remember this post!! Didnt want to ever post it again… BUT —- It might put a few things into perspective >>>

    Sorry for any firestorm

  284. Regular
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Damn I wish I could find “1776?

    I hear you, Jay. Anyone who thinks the Internet makes books unnecessary is a misguided fool.

    Maybe it’s out there somewhere, but I remember Madison’s letter to Jefferson, rough paraphrasing: “the Quakers presented several petitions for abolishing slavery and, although they were not thrown under the table, they were treated with as much contempt as if they were.”

    The Quakers were right–but the fix was in. Too much money was involvewd. And the stakes were a hell of a lot higher than now–the cohension of a rebellious collection of British colonies, as opposed to maintaining the corporate comfort of our moneyed masters.
    ————————
    The Quakers have zero in common with either Democrats or modern day liberals.

    The liberals of the Jeffersonian period were all slave holders. Quakers were against slavery.

    Part of my family’s history is when several married into a Quaker family, they became abolitionists in their New England states and then carried it forth to Ohio, Illinois, Missouri and Kansas.

    Old style liberals aren’t even close to being like modern day liberals, they had common sense and were patriotic – so nothing like modern day Libs.

  285. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    I have a gun Nathan.

    And I know where to get more.

  286. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Heck the whole blog knows that Nathan and his father are vile liars Chas.

    It is many times proven.

    Sigh….the 4th of July.

    Well, it doesn’t mean a lot to me.

    Many people in my past made it happen. I am left to wonder why?

  287. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    The Quakers have zero in common with either Democrats or modern day liberals.

    The liberals of the Jeffersonian period were all slave holders. Quakers were against slavery.

    Uhm, okay. I’ll talk to my slaves and get back to you.

    Madison and Jefferson both expressed qualms about the slave trade (see,e.g. Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration of Independence), but it was to their everlasting shame that they did not come close to practicing what they preached. But the genius of the American Revolution was not that these men were angels, but rather that they crafted principles that in the long run could not be blindly limited to the privileged class for which they were originally created.

    As I recall, the radicals-indeed the “Nader” people of the the 19th century–the abolitionists–were opposed to slavery. And by the way, the first Republican president–Abraham Lincoln–paved the way not only for its abolition, but the horrific concept of “equal protection” that liberals keep harping about.

    And your vapid attempt to parse to 200 years of history in FoxNews terms doesn’t hold water.

    Fast forward to the 50s/1960s–a long time between drinks, but can anyone deny that “modern liberals”–of both parties–heralded in the new era of civll rights? Or we engaged in same silly game of the 80s, where “liberal” is gratuitously redefined in whatever terms the conservative propagandists say it should be?

    A minor knowledge of history is pointless when one’s political spin overrides it.

  288. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Would Jesus have been able to kill people from a long distance, as well as Nathaniel brags that he can?
    ———————-

    The true “Christian” Nathaniel answered July 4, 2008 at 1:21 am

    “Cosmos,

    Since Jesus destiny didn’t involve shooting people and there being no guns during that time frame, I would have to say no.

    By the time I can afford a barrett .50 caliber, I might as well save up for this baby:

    http://gizmodo.com/archives/barrets-xm109-nohassle-25mm-sniper-rifle-019817.php

    The XM-109 25mm sniper rifle.

    Wow, what a gun!
    ———————–

    No additional comment needed. . .

  289. BlueJay
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    Damn I may have to go buy the video.

    This is for WS, Chas, Rage, Farmgrrl and so many of my rebellious friends.

    “Congress:
    Sit down, John! Sit down, John!
    For God’s sake, John, sit down!
    Sit down, John! Sit down, John!
    For God’s sake, John, sit down!

    Someone oughta open up a window!

    It’s ninety degrees! Have mercy, John, please
    It’s hot as hell in Philadephia!

    Someone oughta open up a window!

    Adams:
    I say vote yes! Vote yes! Vote for independency!

    Congress:
    Someone oughta open up a window!

    Adams:
    I say vote yes!

    Congress:
    Sit down, John!

    Adams:
    Vote for independency!

    Congress:
    Someone oughta open up a window!
    No, no, no! Too many flies! Too many flies!
    But it’s hot as hell in Philadelphia!
    Someone oughta open up a window!
    Can’t we compromise here?

    Adams:
    Vote yes!

    Congress:
    No, too many flies here!

    Adams:
    Vote yes!

    Congress:
    Oh for God’s sake, John, sit down!

    Adams:
    Oh, good God! Consider yourself lucky that you have John Adams to abuse,
    for no sane man would tolerate it!

    Congress:
    John, you’re a bore; we’ve heard this before
    Now for God’s sake, John, sit down!

    Adams:
    I say vote yes!

    Congress:
    No!

    Adams:
    Vote yes!

    Congress:
    No!

    Adams:
    Vote for independency!

    Congress:
    Someone oughta open up a window!

    Adams:
    I say vote yes!

    Congress:
    Sit down, John!

    Congress:
    Vote for independency!

    Congress:
    Will someone shut that man up?

    Adams:
    Never!

    America is all about rebellion and innovation. We seem to have forgotten that lately.

    I haven’t.

    Tomorow night I will be shooting fireworks deemed illegal where I live.

  290. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ added a false, fictional last paragraph to his copy/paste post here.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232

    The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ represents his Kansas “heritage”, and his self-proclaimed “Kansas values”, by posting LIES on the WE Blog.

  291. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel Price,

    Still no answers to my questions?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-73/#comment-377951

  292. Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    This looked informative >>>

    http://www.downgreens.com/?p=135

  293. Rage
    Posted July 4, 2008 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    And how do we know that what people like Nathaniel post here isn’t RL?

    Okay, point taken. I remember some considerable unease before Meetup #2 when Nathan posted, on this very blog, that he would be packing heat.

    Didn’t happen (though he claimed afterwards, if I recall correctly, that he had a gun in the car).

    People are weird. They aren’t often casually homicidal.

  294. Posted July 4, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “As my 13 yr old daugher says: “Dad,’Stairway to Heaven’is the most overdone song of your generation.”

    Hee hee heeee Steven!

    I actually think that distinction belongs to Freebird.

    I hope they play ‘em both at my funeral!

    Along with “home grown tomatoes”….

  295. Posted July 4, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Hee hee hee. And maybe some of my blog buddies could do the chicken dance? hee hee hee heeeeeee…..

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