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Good morning Wichita: This is the last week of July 2008. August 1st is on Friday. So make the best of these last days of July … summer is going by quickly.
Governator vetoes climate change curriculum
California public students will stick to reading, writing and arithmetic, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger decided as he vetoed a bill late Friday that would have required climate change be added to schools’ curriculum. The measure, sponsored by state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, also would have required future science textbooks to include climate change as a subject.In January, the state Senate approved the bill, SB 908, by a 26-13 vote. Only two Republicans supported the proposal.
In his veto statement, Schwarzenegger said he supported education that spotlights the dangers of climate change. However, the Republican governor said he was opposed to educational mandates from Sacramento. “I continue to believe that the state should refrain from being overly prescriptive in specific school curriculum, beyond establishing rigorous academic standards,” he said.
Schwarzenegger added that the state’s Integrated Waste Management Board’s Office of Education and Environment, along with California’s Environmental Protection Agency, are creating an environmental curriculum for K-12 students that includes climate change issues.
Simitian had said his bill wouldn’t dictate what to teach; rather, it would require the state Board of Education and state Department of Education to decide how the topic would be covered and which grades would study it. While global warming is included in high school classes as it pertains to weather, the subject is not required to be covered in all textbooks, according to the California Science Teachers Association.
I agree with the veto, but not for the reason I’m sure is the reason old man price posted.
There should be no mandate, one way or another, coming from the legislature. Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. Deniers may not like it, but our youth WILL be taught the facts about global climate change. The proven fact is that man is contributing to the warming of the planet through our dependence on energy sources that release greenhouse gases, primarily CO2.
I doubt the old man can handle this viewpoint and I await the rebuttal.
For science fans like Hank, here’s yet another piece of evidence that, once again, proves the scientific fact of evolution.
by Ed Yong
Imagine watching a movie where every now and then, key frames have been cut out. The film seems stilted and disjointed and you have to rely on logic to fill in the gaps in the plots. Evolutionary biologists face a similar obstacle when trying to piece together how living species arose from their common ancestors. It’s like watching a film with a minimum of footage; the species alive today are just a few frames at the very end, and the fossil record represents a smattering of moments throughout the film’s length.
Heteronectes_head.jpgBut the gaps, while plentiful, are being slowly filled in. With amazing regularity, new fossils are being unearthed that bridge the gap between existing specimens. These “transitional fossils” are always greeted with great relish for their intermediate nature provides yet more examples of gradual evolution from one form to another. They act as handy visual aids for explaining the story of evolution to those with a dearth of imagination.
Now, Matt Friedman from the University of Chicago has described a new transitional fossil that is one of the most dramatic yet. Its name is Heteronectes (meaning “different swimmer”) and it’s a flatfish, but not as you know it.
More at:
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/07/missing_link_flatfish_has_eye_thats_moved_halfway_across_its.php
Scientist discover gravity well, possible explanation for Climate Change
A huge vortex located precisely in the center of the Bermuda Triangle was discovered to send instrumentation wildly out of control. It wasn’t until a NASA satellite passed over the area with infrared and magnetic variance technologies that thermals and giant wind vortexes could have a huge affect on global climate.
Dr. Ima Sukemblau stated that teams of climatologists are rushing to area to study the phenomena. She also stated that the phenomena which they have nicked name the ‘tub ring’ will be quite difficult to measure because of its immense side.
http://forensic.fairweather.phenomena.org
immense side = immense size
(chortles)
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
HLP
Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
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This post makes you look more asinine than usual old man.
Your opinion that a transition fossil is “rare” is not in any way “proof” of creation.
Leave it to a voodoo/creationist to use the old “I don’t acknowledge your data, so my mindset is obviously correct” ploy!
OBAMA PLAGIARIZES CUBAN COMMUNIST IDEAS
The nature of the term ‘plagiarism’ denotes the practice of passing off as one’s own the ideas of someone else.
This being the case, Barack Obama has plagiarized the ideas of Cuban Communist Fidel Castro.
Two weeks ago the Illinois junior Senator and presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee rolled out his plan to implement a massive ‘civilian security force’ that would rival the U.S. military in scope, power, and authority.
Political observers in both Parties were taken aback by the proposal. But the concept is not new, nor is it original with Barack Obama.
A major political figure from the past made a similar proposal right here in our own hemisphere. One of the keys to the implementation of Cuban Communist totalitarianism under the Castro regime was the concept that each individual civilian would see himself/herself as a comrade in the massive ‘army of the people’ that would insure the success of the revolution in changing Cuban society from top to bottom.
Not only that, but civilians would be required to provide service in this massive security force, just as they are always forced to do in totalitarian regimes from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot.
And now here comes Barack Obama with the very same idea.
The thing that makes this proposal so frightening at this particular time is that there is already a move afoot in the Democrat-controlled Congress to implement the so-called ‘National Service Act’ that would require all citizens of a certain age to engage in service to the government.
When it was first suggested that Barack Obama finds some close kinship with the likes of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Fidel Castro, many charged that the notion was ‘over the top.’ Perhaps now the notion that Obama plans to unleash Marxist ideology on America is not so far-fetched.
At the very least, Obama needs to come clean with the American people about where he got the concept of the ‘civilian security force.’ America needs to know that Fidel Castro is one of Obama’s ideological mentors.
http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-plagiarizes-cuban-communist-ideas.html
Totalitarianism anyone?
“Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. ”
teehee.
It’s always good to start the day with a good chuckle.
……………..it’s obviious you are just another science denier heckler.
How old is the Earth heckler?
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Anti-science
Anti-science, in modern terms, refers to largely ideological attacks on the teaching of evolutionary theory and other sciences in schools, and their use in the world at large. This is particularly true when it comes into conflict with conservative or religious positions. Common targets include evolution[1], global warming and various sorts of medicine, although other sciences that may conflict with right-wing ideology are often targeted as well.
The anti-science position generally holds that in cases where science and ideology come into conflict, science itself must be flawed. This position is normally couched in reassuring code phrases, such as Intelligent Design. This leads to numerous attempts to discredit scientific methodology, the scientists themselves, and the very foundations of science itself. These attempts often involve misrepresentation[2], obfuscation[3] and outright denial.
This modern usage of the term should not be confused with the anti-science movement in the 1960’s and 1970’s, which was largely concerned with the possible dehumanizing aspects of uncontrolled scientific and technological advancement. While this skepticism of unchecked change meets the classic dictionary definition of conservative, it falls far short of the anti-intellectual thrust of modern political conservatism.
The term can also be used for policy decisions which, for political reasons, ignore the advice of scientists paid to inform such policy. In the Bush administration, politically appointed administrators of the Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies have made decisions in conflict with the recommendations of agency scientists. In addition, wording and conclusions in scientific reports have been changed to support corporate interests
Apophis
Science denier? Me? On what do you base this?
‘Blood oil’ dripping from Nigeria
Under cover of night dozens of barges queue up to dock at a jetty in a creek somewhere in Nigeria’s oil-rich Niger Delta.
Their holds are filled with stolen oil running from valves illegally installed into a pipeline.
Full, they chug downstream to meet around 10 larger ships near the oil export terminal in Bonny, Rivers State, where they disgorge their cargo.
By 0500, in the darkness before dawn, the ships uncouple from the barges and move out in a convoy to sea to rendezvous with a tanker which will spirit away the stolen oil, making it disappear into another cargo, bound for sale on the world market.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7519302.stm
Heckler
Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink
“Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. ”
teehee.
It’s always good to start the day with a good chuckle.
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I rest my case.
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Very good post annie_moose!
Apo
I posted this Saturday hoping for your thoughts. You disappeared. Care to take a shot at it today?
(“The Knutson study follows one published by prominent global warming alarmist Kerry Emanuel and two other scientists.
The Emanuel study, published in the March 2008 issue of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, concluded, “A new technique for deriving hurricane climatologies from global data, applied to climate models, indicates that global warming should reduce the global frequency of hurricanes, though their intensity may increase in some locations.”
The study comes as a tremendous concession from Emanuel, who has long stoked media fears of global warming causing more hurricanes.”
snip
“The Emanuel study directly contradicts sensationalist media assertions of global warming being responsible for recent hurricane activity. Assuming the computer models are correct, Emanuel reported, “the greater part of the large increase in power dissipation over the past 27 [years] cannot be ascribed to global warming.” ”
snip
” “When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23558
There’s going to be a lot of alarmists going on weight loss programs in coming years from eating all of their own overblown words.)
Which is it Apo, Global Climate Change or Global Warming? More hurricanes, or less, more ice or less?
You’re the one denying science Apo. Anything that doesnt fit your ideologically driven devotion to Global Warming is denied.
I’m looking at a lot of science that says you and yours are full of pu11shlt.
Search site aims to rival Google
Former workers at the web giant Google have launched a rival search engine.
Cuil, pronounced “cool”, says it uses more than 120 billion webpages to build up its index of the information it finds on the web.
It claims this is more than Google uses though the search giant has stopped reporting how much it indexes. Without revealing numbers Google claimed its index was still bigger.
Cuil claims that its technology moves away from the methods that have driven Google’s success.
Instead of just looking at the number and quality of links to and from a webpage as Google’s technology does, Cuil attempts to understand more about the information on a page and the terms people use to search. Results are displayed in a magazine format rather than a list.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7528503.stm
Apo
Need I point you to all of the physicists who say that CO2 is not capable of doing what your models say it can do?
Need I point you to all the science that supports the theory that the earths temperature is most driven by cosmic radiation?
I’m looking at ALL the science Apo, you are the one denying science.
…………….I think what is occurring would best be described as “Global Climate Change”. Though parts of the planet are definately warming; a disruption of the thermo-haline system in the oceans could actually cause cooling in some areas. The entire process and its implications is too important to be ignored.
You may be “looking at science”, but you obviously don’t understand what you are reading. It is you and your misguided buddies who frame your understanding of science based on ideology. If your reichwing masters don’t buy into it, you’re against it.
As for your assertion that I disapeared on Saturday, well I do have a life aside from this blog. I’m out of here for the day.
100 days to go: The presidential race’s red-letter days
WASHINGTON — The longest presidential election season in American history is about to enter its final stretch.
Count ‘em: 100 days to go.
In the time before Nov. 4, running mates will be chosen and platform skirmishes fought, economic reports released and as many as one-third of votes cast early by absentee ballot and at registrars’ offices. Will more U.S. troops be pulled out of Iraq? Could a so-called October surprise be sprung, by calculation or catastrophe, that reshapes the campaign’s close?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-100days_N.htm
Scroll to the last item at the link and find:
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• The Los Angeles Times — Political rookie in Kansas uses online comic strip to raise money: Democrat Sean Tevis was told he’d need to raise at least $26,000 to be able to compete for a seat in the Kansas state legislature against the Republican incumbent he wanted to challenge. The 39-year-old political novice created an online comic strip about his effort and this week will report he’s raised more than $95,000.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-100days_N.htm
Other science news:
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Glaxo’s Stem-Cell Bet
It may be the biggest news nobody really noticed. One of the world’s largest drug companies is paying directly for research on embryonic stem cells.
GlaxoSmithKline (nyse: GSK – news – people ) plunked down $25 million July 24 for a five-year collaboration with the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. Both Glaxo and Harvard will contribute intellectual property, and they’ll divvy up any discoveries based on who delivered what.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2008/07/26/glaxosmithkline-stem-cell-biz-pharma-cx_mh_0728stemcell.html
Fiscal responsibility – GOP style:
Record 2008 deficit – Bush official
A budget deficit headed to $490 billion, as revealed by top Bush administration official, would easily overtake 2004 record
WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior Bush administration official says the budget deficit for this year will set a record in dollar terms, approaching $490 billion.
The official said Monday the deficit was being driven to record levels by the sagging economy and the stimulus payments being made to 130 million households in an effort to keep the country from falling into a deep recession.
A deficit approaching $490 billion would easily surpass the current record deficit of $413 billion set in 2004.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the new deficit estimate had not been formally released. Bush administration officials were scheduled to do that at a news conference later Monday.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/28/news/economy/budget_record.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008072809
Apo
What proof is there that CO2 created by humans is making the earth warm? None.
Is there a lot of valid scientific work going into it? Of course. Ice core studies, all the studies on deterimining temperaturs going back 100,000 yrs, and so on.
But the Godfathers of AGW are ideologically driven. Remember before it was AGW it was Global cooling driven by man made particulates in the atmosphere. They coulnt prove that and found that global temperatures were actually rising slightly.
Change gears fast. And AGW was born.
Not of science but of an idealogical goal to reign in human activity. Cut human use of natural resources.
Apo you need to read some of the books that the Godfathers wrote back in the seventies.
The only “proof” of AGW is the computer models. And they keep changing, and changing, and failing to predict short term results.
I leave you with this from the linked article-
When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
8th hottest summer indeed.
Global cooling: Anchorage could hit 65 degrees for fewest days on record
George Bryson
Anchorage Daily News
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:47 EDT
The coldest summer ever? You might be looking at it, weather folks say.
Right now the so-called summer of ‘08 is on pace to produce the fewest days ever recorded in which the temperature in Anchorage managed to reach 65 degrees.
That unhappy record was set in 1970, when we only made it to the 65-degree mark, which many Alaskans consider a nice temperature, 16 days out of 365.
This year, however — with the summer more than half over — there have been only seven 65-degree days so far. And that’s with just a month of potential “balmy” days remaining and the forecast looking gloomy.
National Weather Service meteorologist Sam Albanese, a storm warning coordinator for Alaska, says the outlook is for Anchorage to remain cool and cloudy through the rest of July.
“There’s no real warm feature moving in,” Albanese said. “And that’s just been the pattern we’ve been stuck in for a couple weeks now.”
In the Matanuska Valley on Wednesday snow dusted the Chugach. On the Kenai Peninsula, rain was raising Six-Mile River to flood levels and rafting trips had to be canceled.
So if the cold and drizzle are going to continue anyway, why not shoot for a record? The mark is well within reach, Albanese said:
“It’s probably going to go down as the summer with the least number of 65-degree days.”
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/162907-Global-cooling-Anchorage-could-hit-65-degrees-for-fewest-days-on-record
Why hasn’t the global temp average risen since 1998?
Why do we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than the last 800,000 years, but we aren’t anywhere near the warmest over the same time period?
Why did the IPCC put so many lies in its draft report that ‘anyone who requests a copy; reviewers spotted? Why was it not peer reviewed before release to ‘anyone who requests a copy?’
Why has no computer model, ever accurately predicted climate change?
Linda,
This is a better link for Ron Paul/most libertarians on the issues.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
This week, an event of titanic import has occurred in the music world. U2 has re-released its first three LPs on enhanced CD: Boy (1980), October (1981) and War (1983) will now be gracing our senses – re-mastered, improved and profound.
I first heard U2 in January of 1982. I had moved to Los Angeles that winter, and immediately set my radio to KROQ, Southern Cal’s seminal alt-rock station. Shimmering, stunning sounds exuded from that station: Romeo Void, The Cure, The Stranglers, The Go-Go’s, quirky s–t one would never hear on Top 40 sterility, and so on.
One cataclysmic evening, I heard a gorgeous track titled “Rejoice” from the then-little-known Irish band’s second LP, October.
And the world trembled on its own axis.
The opening riff set the transcendent tone: As my musician brother would later declare, it sounded like The Edge was playing two notes at once. Like a hosanna from the highest of heavens, this track entranced my senses and compelled me to rush right on over to Tower Records on Sunset Boulevard, where I promptly purchased this LP.
And the rest of the LP was riveting, too. The next year, I purchased U2’s first LP (Boy), and it was darned good as well. U2 is spiritual without being religionistic; they were youthful idealists without bombast; they were boys on a mission.
And the soargasm that occurred in this music afficionada’s auditory cavities remains unforgettable(’cause my soul soared to the stratosphere and beyond).
“October” was singular because of this fact: The master tapes had been stolen back in 1981, and the sound quality wasn’t ooh-la-la. So when its songs stirred the senses – even without technological brilliance – you know you’re talking musical might.
And now the band has altruistically re-released that m—erf—er, and I can’t wait to buy it.
I’m slightly less enamored of the band’s later efforts; in my opinion, nothing compares to “Boy” and “October.” And now, with the chance to hear that second LP in its restored glory, oh-h-h-h…
Can anything be better than this?
I don’t know; I’m not an authority on sensual pleasure. But when it comes to music, I know what I like and I know what I want and I know why I want it.
Rejoice, rejoice. I shall rejoice.
Indeed.
Sol, the page your link took me to was one that stamped out any desire to learn more about this political movement.
In fact, I just went back there (to close the tab!) and discovered there are actually OTHER ISSUES than the one at the TOP of the page, but what I read first told me everything I want to know about Ron Paul.
Being pro life AND supporting the federal government stay out of the issue and leave it up to the states turned you off of Dr. Paul? Do you think the federal gov’t should be making decisions like that?
While I have become totally disenchanted with our president, I must mention the deficit that is being blamed solely on him. The Congress (with its Democratic majority) is where the budget comes from. The president proposes it, but the congress must pass it. Bush tried to veto some horrendous spending pork packages, and got his veto overriden.
Let’s place the blame where it actually belongs, the president AND our do nothing overspending Congress. None of them are fiscally responsible and none of them should ever be returned to DC.
That Congress voted the first increase in the minimum wage in a very long time.
Consider how THAT has helped the working poor in the bush economy.
Why is CNN choosing, openly, to suppress this information?
Obama’s note to God
Israeli paper releases text of message left at Western Wall
http://thechronicleherald.ca/World/1069756.html
I would understand if the kid who stole the note came to them with an “exclusive scoop”–that’s just tacky.
But’s it’s already been published. It’s out there. And terribly innocuous as well.
Who is CNN kowtowing to?
Vote for Phill KKKline in the JOCO primary! Please!
Because it is the right thing to do Rage. They’re holding to the Jewish tradition. I’m offended at any group that chooses to report what he said.
Oh yes… Global Warming.
Lets forget about the “problem” for a minute and look at the so called solutions.
All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.
What problems do you have with invention, innovation and conservation there Nathan?
The ‘civilian security force’ being wildly misrepresented refers to the combined efforts of Americans working in currently existing programs, like the Peace Corps, Americorps, the State Department’s diplomatic services.
Being a better America make us more secure, is the point.
Don’t start looking for the Black Helicopters anytime soon. The right-wing extremist bloggers are making this up to frighten you.
Because it is the right thing to do Rage. They’re holding to the Jewish tradition. I’m offended at any group that chooses to report what he said.
In that case, they should have passed on the story in the first place (it’s not like it was of great importance).
It’s a wink-wink nudge-nudge approach that is only symbolic pretense.
Another Con runs amuck!
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Authorities on Monday said the man charged with murder in a Tennessee church shooting left a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals, and his expectation that he would be killed by responding police.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the Sunday shooting at a Knoxville, Tenn., Unitarian church that left two people dead and five injured.
eft a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals,
Sigh, ah yes, convenient scapegoats.
While I believe in holding people responsible for their own actions, the Limbaughs, Coulters and Hannitys of America share some responsibility for such needless tragedies.
Sol, it’s a federal law because we are a “united” states of America. Yes, there is much that should be left to states and there are laws that must be from the federal level to keep us from becoming like the north and south of civil war times. Sol, the federal government already made decisions like that! I would have preferred it be none of any level of government’s business, but shoving those responsibilities to the state level isn’t any better.
a woman, her doctor and her god
I respect your right to believe differently and would expect the decision you would make on the subject would be different from the decision another would make after consulting with her doctor and her god.
ANOTHER ATHEIST RUNS AMOK
Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
“The man accused of a mass church shooting this morning was described by his Powell neighbors as a helpful and kind man, but one who had issues with Christianity.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, which killed one and injured eight others.
He is being held on $1 million bond.
“He had his own sense of belief about religion, that’s the impression I got of him,” said neighbor Karen Massey. “We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.
“He seemed to get angry at that.”
According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who “made him go to church all his life … he was forced to do that.”
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
How does my support for wind, solar, nuclear prove that my science is a fraud? How does my support for finding ways to sequester carbon prove my science a fraud? How does my support for energy conservation/efficiency prove my science a fraud?
DavidB —- I AGREE with you on your assessment of that issue as just more fear mongering…. TOTAL fear mongering… Let’s face it, in addition to the programs you mentioned, there is also the TSA, which is a non-military security force already working at every airport in the country!! And that is also in line with what Obama is proposing… Lets stop this one BEFORE it gets into the Reichwing talking points….
Now, I wait for the “Right” to wake up.
Kudo’s to the Daily Kos!
In another expected finding:
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Gonzales aides politicized hirings, investigators find
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/justice.politics/
Whatever…
This Globalist scum, Obama’s “civilian security force”, will introduce us to a bunch of lumbering, rent-a-cop’s with petty powertrips, but only they will have power. This program will be funded equal to the military. And how do you expect that to be paid for? By ticketing you for jay-walking and equally rediculous crap. This Obama naivete will surely destroy us, much like McCain.
Talking points?
Are you serious?
Our freedom determined by someone’s 3 minute sound bite?
This sh.it is for real and your little left/right paradigm crap is not.
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
Ben, it’s really pretty simple. There are two groups that tend to characterize the AGW debate.
(1) Our heroic oilman president,ditto VP, Republican pols, the heroic oil producers (OPEC, Texas wildcatters, etc), the heroic multinational oil companies, and the other energy industry groups that control think tanks like the Federalist Society and the Cato Institute, all of whom are fighting to provide us with energy we need within the noble free market.
(2) The evil cabal of conspirators: the IPCC, climate scientists, amateur enviromentalists, Luddites, or other wackos, who have a diabolical plan to upend our economy, and enslave us in cold dark homes, where we can never go anywhere, do anything, eat anything tasty or have any fun.
The Environmental Cabal’s motivation is transparent: they want to pervert any notion of real science (and have bought off the vast majority of climate scientists to that end), so they pursue wildly profitable initiatives in solar, wind, and another other renewable sources of energy. It’s soooo obvious that they hold all the power! It’s part of the Globalist Conspiracy: Everyone knows the WTO, the G-8, all the major players in the Western world, are firmly in the pocket of Big Green.
Silly people might point instead to the influence of mean ol’ oil companies on governments worldwide, and their record profits, or their millions spent on lobbyist, or their bought-and-paid-for White House, etc. And so on. Or the dispensing or even basic safety and environmental standards by the promoters of unrestrained globalism.
All that, of course, is ridiculous.
Damn conspiracy freaks.
Outlander, the news today is reporting that he hated liberals. Which is why he chose a liberal church.
Isn’t it interesing that the bigwigs always get those underneath them to take the fall for them. Loyalty till you go to jail. Sad.
Sol, Nobody likes Ron Paul, he’s wrong on many issues.
P_Mom,
Such as…
And by the way, Outie, there was nothing in that summary that indicated he was an atheist.
And it’s pretty damn weird that you think that atheist is somehow the opposite of conservative. It’s fact, all that’s required to be a atheist is disbelief in the little man in the sky.
http://www.compleatheretic.com/links/godlessright.html
HLP
Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
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It is difficult to even try to seriously interact with people who wear their ignorance as a badge of honor.
Check out this source for those interested in the “debate”:
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GR2122.aspx
Though I will have to confess I wonder about the parents who would name their daugther – “Eugenie” – I think they may have wanted a boy and “nerdie” one at that.
Sol, Nobody likes Ron Paul, he’s wrong on many issues.
I wouldn’t go that far, pmom. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, and thus embodies all the good, bad and ugly you find in such folks.
Linda,
Yes we are a ‘United’ States. The federal government was never meant to have the control that they do today.
How many M.D.’s that have delivered 4000+ babies are pro-choice? Even as such, Dr. Paul believes that this should be a State’s issue. The federal government has far too much power as it is.
And to decide to dismiss a candidate over one issue is shallow. Do you by proxy then agree with Obama 100% on 100% issues? You bailed on Dr. Paul after just one. How many of Obama’s are you willing to live with?
He wants deregulation of everything. the guy is a quack and only believes in people doing the right thing…unless it comes to abortion..then hell no we can’t have people making their own decisions on that.
That’s what so damn nutty about the libertarian movement. They believe that people will just do the right thing without regulation..unless it is something they don’t believe in then there of course has to be regulation.
Tell me…if say under the no regulations guy, who would be making sure that my doctor was not performing abortions on me?
“And by the way, Outie, there was nothing in that summary that indicated he was an atheist.”
Rage? Did I post; “That’s not fair”? Good grief. For a semi-smart person you sure can post imperceptive dumb things.
Sigh.
The Tennissee gunman was on food stamps and unemployed and said he couldn’t find a job.
Wait, isn’t it liberal policies for foodstamps…and don’t conservatives believe that any job is a good job? You’re telling me the guy couldn’t have worked as a walmart greeter for 6 bucks an hour?
Hey Outlander, what will you do when you make 7 dollars an hour and lose everything?
PMama — You would be amazed at WalMart’s application for employment… most interesting document…
As I understand it, nothing is known about the Tenessee gunman’s religious beliefs… only that he was ANTI-Liberal….
Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.
Or perhaps if the church had been declard a “no gun” zone by the government, just like schools, this man wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside.
He wants deregulation of everything
Examples?
the guy is a quack
Says a lot more about you than the Dr.
hen hell no we can’t have people making their own decisions on that.
Displays that you are ill-informed on the topic.
They believe that people will just do the right thing without regulation
So you feel that you need the government to tell you what is right and wrong?
And look, they managed to take the guy down without a gun too. And only two died.
Even in the Colorado church shooting, the gunman killed more people before being shot by their on alert-prepared security.
Hey Outlander, what will you do when you make 7 dollars an hour and lose everything?
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I dunno PMom. Let’s hope that never happens. But maybe you could tell me what it’s like?
Tennessee.
And Ron Paul was/is and OB/GYN. He is personally not for abortions. He’s delivered over 4K babies and has stated that he’s never seen a reason to perform an abortion to save a mothers’ life. His philosophy is that if he can be sued for malpractice if anything happens to the baby/embryo…whatever, then it musu be a BABY. Change the laws so that a doctor can’t be sued for anything before the baby is born, then bring up his abortion stance.
The gunman got his gun into the church in a guitar case… A shotgun even… Since it was a UUA congregation, it might well have had a No Gun sign on its doors…
See this web site for more information >>>>
http://www.uua.org
Rage? Did I post; “That’s not fair”? Good grief. For a semi-smart person you sure can post imperceptive dumb things.
Sigh.
This is actually what you said:
Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
The analogy only holds if there’s some reason to believe the guy might be an atheist. There wasn’t: He could have been an atheist, and anger with Christianity is the bread-and-butter of disillusioned theists everywhere.
But point taken: not all conservatives subscribe the mouth-foaming hatred of O’Reilly and the like.
I expect the government to protect me…from those who wish to do me harm.
Whether that be an employer, a bank, a food grower or a terrorist in an airplane. Or someone who tells me that I cannot make my own healthcare decisions.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be. that’s why I have a doctor. Like I said clearly –
a woman, her doctor, her god
NOT the business of government at any level!
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him when I went to the link you provided. It showed me everything I wanted to know about him, and turned me off looking further.
And I stated quite clearly that I respect your right to make a decision different than one made by another person.
Huh?
They might have had a “no gun” sign on the door?
I don’t believe it. There is no way someone would take a gun into a place with a “no gun” sign. It is against the law in most places and the sign should obviously stop someone.
So, I simply don’t believe they had a sign.
It is simple. If they had a sign, the man obviously wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside. It makes perfect logical sense.
Political_mama,
You mean the volunteer security woman who had her concealed carry permit?
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government, all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms, until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be.
Then you better haul a$$ away from Obama.
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him
The issues are alphabetical. This is not his site. He does not sponsor it. He did not make the entries. Abortion is the first issue alphabetically. If you had gotten past your knee jerk abortion hic-up you would see what his ONE ISSUE is. The economy. Dr. Paul can pay for every one of his policies. He can do that because 90% of his policies cut spending and taxation.
But I can see you have your abortion/Obama blinders on.
I used to have GOP blinders. I was brave enough to take them off. They’ll never go on again.
On the issue of evolution & creation – both use science to back up their claims. Science is not the belief but a tool by which one uses to prove theories.
As for me, I believe in creation by God. As Blaise Pascal quoted in his eqution: If I believe in God and when I die, I find there is no God then I LOSE NOTHING but if I am right then I GAIN EVERYTHING. But if you believe there is no God and when you die, you find you were right then you GAIN NOTHING but if I am right then you LOSE EVERYTHING.
Science is not the belief, evolution and creation are the beliefs. What it comes down to is that no man or woman can be forced to believe in God. That responsibility lies with each one of us.
BTW, that is the difference between Christianity(true Christianity) and other religions. A Christian knows it isn’t his responsibility to win over souls for God. We are to share what God has done for us and at that point it is between that person and God.
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government,
True enough. The constitution. How revolutionary.
all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Those eeeevil rich. Rage, how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man?
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms,
True dat
until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
How many politicians can you name that are nit bought and paid for?
All I’ve seen from the posters who espouse libertarian viewpoints is broad statements without details, much like they criticize the politicians and supporters of other parties about.
They state goals, like politicians and supporters from every party, with too few details of how to accomplish those goals.
Makes us all pretty much the same, doesn’t it!? We’ve studied, we’ve researched, we’ve informed ourselves and chosen the candidate we think most closely holds the opinions and philosophies we agree with.
lol nit = not
How many politicians can you name that are nit bought and paid for?
Exactly my point, Einstein.
From a soldier in Afghanistan…
As you know I am not a very political person. I
just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to ‘The War Zone’. I > wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof
vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand
he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his
publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for
the American’s back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way
over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from Senator, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just
don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of
person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier
Those eeeevil rich. Rage,
Yet more substance-free invective.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp
Raptor- Tool. took me all of a few seconds to verify that it was a lie.
Ron Paul is the ranking member of the House Committee on Financial Services
This is his economic plan that he unveiled to the committee :
1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.
Congressman Paul has written or co-sponsored numerous bills to enact the policies in his plan. In Congress, he has been a champion of lower taxes and limited government.
Congressman Paul is the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. In Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/ron-paul-unveil.html
Can your candidate say the same? What legislation of Obama’s are you proud of?
Rage,
I can name one, Einstein. Dr. Paul. Review his voting record.
Is the owner of the company you work for rich?
As for the abortion issue – I think abortion makes the women victims twice. If she is getting an abortion because she was raped, she has become a victim twice and the real criminals are getting away with crimes – the rapist for raping a woman and the doctor for murdering her baby. Now she ALONE must bear the guilt of being raped and the guilt of her murdered child.
No matter, how much the liberals say she wasn’t guilty, she feels guilty. It is only natural. And who is there to help her. Not the liberals but the conservatives who have opened up pregnancy centers across America.
As for the man who shot those people in that church in Tennesseee, he was wrong. God will be the judge of those who condone abortion, not us. I feel for those people but I also feel for him. I hope he comes to the realization of what he did and that God will bring someone into his life to help him through it. I also pray that God will bring people to those who lost dear ones in that shooting.
As for Phil Kline, I praise God for supporting him and helping him through all of this. It is so obvious that there are judges who are not interpreting the law but using their biases to stop him from using the records at Tiller’s clinic. The court came to the decision that there were laws being broken at Tiller’s clinic ,which in an y other case, records would have been handed over. But since our corrupt Governor has dirty money on her hands, the judges have so far prevented him from using those records. What an obvious cover up.
Linda,
Dr. Paul has written several books on the economy, its troubles, causes and solutions.
Your candidate has written a book about… himself.
Rage:
1. Libertarian views are nothing revolutionary. Often you hear me speaking of Barry Goldwater. I don’t know if he was a revolutionary. However, his ideas were around long before the Libertarian party took hold.
2. In effect, you are saying that without degrading economic freedom, personal freedom will never be enjoyed. You made this statement by calling the eventual outcome of personal freedoms to be irrelevant. In my view, that yields far to much power to multinationals.
3. The multinationals will never have enough economic power to affect the market unless the average person were so weak minded as to listen to their advertising, and not question it. If the multinationals had enough economic power to provoke law changes that stymied personal freedoms, then they would not be acting within a libertarian environment.
To have regulation you have to pay for regulation- you have to pay for workers to come inspect, for people to file complaints. It is far more effective for us to pay a federal agency than it is for every state to have its own separate group for that.
damn damn damn damn damn. I should know better to check those stupid things first.
My apologies for my stupidity.
I’ve got to go mow the grass — even if it’s still wet — before I get dizzy from the circles we spin.
Dr. Paul doesn’t have enough support, if he did he would have garnered the nomination he sought. Maybe after all those books, and all those years of working in government someone needs to ask why he isn’t taken seriously. What are the roadblocks to support of his ideas?
Is there a person in government who can do something alone?
Are any of us changing someone’s opinions. I didn’t think so. What I know I can do is make the grass shorter with the lawn mower.
Rage:
I don’t think that Economic power is the key to political corruption. Removing the variable of economic power will not remove corruption in politics, merely change the nuance of the corruption.
Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals. There are plenty of women who have had abortions who have known that it was the right thing to do.
Ron Paul has performed abortions, there is no way he’s ever not run into an ectopic pregnancy. And yes, that is an abortion to save a woman’s life.
And has he ever mentioned how many women or babies have died in birth? No of course not…none of which would have happened had they had an abortion.
HOW MANY grand juries have to clear Tiller before you get it through your thick skull that he’s not doing anything illegal or wrong.
Right now I’m praying for Kline to win the republican primary in JOCO. I truly mean that.
I’ll even get out there and distribute campaign letters to the non-profits for him. Heh.
Well I have to hand it to you Raptor…of the boards I’ve been on who have bought that story…you’re the first one who actually apologized for it.
i>Is the owner of the company you work for rich?
That straw-man argument is getting tiresome.
I can name one, Einstein. Dr. Paul. Review his voting record.
LOL! Sigh. . .let me know when you have a spiel that isn’t dismally unthinking and predictable.
And I’m outta here: go find a wall to argue with Sol. You won’t notice the difference.
LLTVET: Caught your post in passing. You’re dead wrong that I’m somehow arguing against economic freedom. Have to leave it at that.
And yeah there is guilt. There is guilt that people impose on themselves all the time. I saw a tv story the other day of a man who brought his grandson to sweep up a jobsite…and he felt guilty because his grandson nearly killed by an accident.
Just because we feel guilty doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve done anything wrong. Irrational guilt just happens. The women who are raped will feel guilt NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO if they end up pregnant from that rape. Most women who take the morning after pills never feel guilty for taking the pills. Unless someone tries to guilt them for it.
You prey on women in this time, yes there are liberals out there available for them. You PREY on them acting to be all concerned when all you really want to do is suck them into your beliefs.
Your groups aren’t support, you’re liars and the worst kind.
You won’t notice the difference.
Between you and the wall, I am betting that the wall is more intelligent.
Political_Mama,
Do you have a government protection agent at your home? Does he follow you around town, to work?
How is it that you expect the government to protect you?
Can we now expect a ‘death bed’ confession from Novak about the bush juanta?
Robert Novak Has Brain Tumor
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By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: July 29, 2008
The columnist Robert Novak has a brain tumor and will stop writing and making television appearances, at least temporarily.
Skip to next paragraph “On Sunday, July 27, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor,” Mr. Novak said in a statement on Monday. “I have been admitted to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, where doctors will soon begin appropriate treatment. I will be suspending my journalistic work for an indefinite but, God willing, not too lengthy period.”
LOL! Chas.. stay off my side! (kidding)
And I can’t wait to hear which radio and TV commentator’s this sick man took his marching orders from…..
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Knoxville’s police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson’s car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a “stated hatred of the liberal movement.”
I’m guessing that was the cause of his hit and run accident. And yeah, that’ll be a legitimate excuse for a hit and run.
Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day. From when you wake up and get a drink of water, to when you eat lunch, to when you get into your car, from the particles you breathe in that your mattress is made of.
“We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
P-mom:
What Nathan is getting at is very simple. Gov’t regulations protect us daily, true enough (they also do enormous amounts of damage, BTW), but that’s not the point.
Nathan is simply pointing out a basic truth, summed up in a simple statement: “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
The police do not protect individuals. They cannot, even if they wanted to, and they have no legal obligation to do so. I respect what they do, but let’s face it: they clean up afterwards.
In the few seconds which matter, when survival for you or your loved ones may be on the line, the police will not be there. You are on your own. That’s just a fact of life.
All Nathan is saying (and yes, he is overbearing on this point) is that if one is not prepared to defend him/herself in those moments, there is likely no one else to do so.
And Nathan’s sarcasm is lost on the moonbats here. Gosh – this was a no-guns zone? and people were shot there? HOW can that be? (that’s sarcasm, folks). If anything, we should not be surprised; recent history tells us that these kinds of mass shootings are MORE likely in “gun-free” zones, not less.
Thank you GMC70.
Probably was a Coulter fan. Couldn’t afford to go to N.Y. and hit the Times, so settled for a liberal congregation.
That story out of Tennessee is why I don’t think the Eagle editors will ever call another meetup.
They are afraid one of the con posters here will show up and start blasting away.
Anyone commented on the 4 female suicide bombers in Iraq, took out 50 shiites and 250 wounded. Sounds like ‘the surge is working’, we’ve run the al quida sympathizers out!
Islam: The religion of piece(s)……BAM!
Cowardly basturds. Ordering their women to kill themselves and their countrymen.
EEO, the women get to be martyrs too. We’re not talking about a western culture.
And Nathaniel blames the dead victims of this crime… shame shame shame. Unbelievable!
From “BlueJay”
That story out of Tennessee is why I don’t think the Eagle editors will ever call another meetup.
They are afraid one of the con posters here will show up and start blasting away.
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JR –
The only one here threatening harm is you; you do so, or imply same, regularly. You’ve made your hate a part of your life; it’s what get’s you up in the morning, I suspect.
It makes you a small, pathetic little man.
Get help, JR. You need it.
The agenda of the Obama’s Legislation sponsoring the Global Poverty/Millennium Act:
Obama`s Global Poverty Act includes the United Nations Millennium Declaration?
The United Nations` Millennium Declaration commits to banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment) and ratifying a series of treaties such as International Criminal Court and Kioto Protocol (Global warming). Cliff Kincaid reports that Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.`s Millennium Project, confirms a United Nations plan to force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas, this doesn`t include private donations from U.S. citizens
* Banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment)
* Ratifying the treaty International Criminal Court
* Ratifying the treaty Kyoto Protocol (Global warming).
* Force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas
Wake up people!
This is the real agenda of the Millennium Declaration. It is to act as a World Governing and Tax agency.
Obama’s legislation would give the money and the power over to signatories of the Millennium Act to punish any member stations not complying with excessive fine, taking them to International court and seizing funds and assets internationally.
Want to give up your guns and then be subject to U.N. rules and taxes in one motion? Then do nothing and let Obama’s legislation pass which will require the POTUS to make a plan to be complicit with U.N. desires and whims.
In case of a few wild eye liberals don’ believe me and want to see the text of the Millenium Act, here it is.
http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.pdf
Also
The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid’s column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
DavidB
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And Nathaniel blames the dead victims of this crime… shame shame shame. Unbelievable!
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DavidB – Where has Nathan done that? I don’t believe he’s done any such thing. Show me otherwise, if you can.
Just heard something this weekend…granted it’s a little crazy…heh.
What if the oil companies “found” a huge oil reserve in the North that dwarfs all of the Middle East’s? It’d bring oil down to $50 a barrel and maybe that would be a way to decimate Iran and the entire region eh?
Let’s hope they find something like that.
Well at least I got to meet GMC.
Hey councilor? Change your nic to short round!
“Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals.”
P_Mom, have you not ever talked to anyone who had an abortion? Well, I have. You would be surprised how many of them are the ones you see at the protests holding up signs against abortions. I have also went to Life Chain where women from the pregnancy care centers have come and told us what they went through after an abortion. They say they also believed they weren’t doing anything wrong but after the abortion, they felt so bad. There was no way for them to deny the guilt they felt. And then there have been some that have had physical problems too. If you really want to hear there side, you should go talk to them sometime. I actually stood next to someone from our church. We were both holding up signs together when she told me that she had an abortion once too.
As for Tiller, he had had many late term abortions. And he has also killed the babies after they were born. Why would you want to support him? Why would you want to support killing babies?
P_Mom stated:
“Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day.”
P_Mom if you really believe that then where are they when innocent women are being raped or when some maniac decides to shoot up kids at a school or people at work or even in a church?
There is no way for the government to protect us. But if we allow them enough latitude, then they can control us, at least until a revolution occurs. Right now we are quickly heading to allowing them to control us if we keep believing there lies that they are in it for our protection. Don’t believe it for a minute.
Change your nic to short round!
Oooooooooh! I’m cut to the quick!
Change your nic to “small and pathetic little man” and you’ve got a deal.
If they ever do find any big oil reserves in Indonesia or Northern Russia, the dollar will be muuuch better.
And if frogs grow longer hind legs (which would require evolution… but I digress…) they wouldn’t bump their butts when they hop.
“Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.” I am often wrong. Maybe I interpreted this incorrectly. He is maybe making a joke about the deaths? Using the deaths to make a sarcastic point about no gun signs… ???
It is hard to know what that post means… I know English pretty well. Abnormal psychology.. not so much
When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail, I guess… A pistol in every pew is the way to go, I am sure.
GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.
Are you telling me that you would refuse…lets just say a woman calls the police…says she was held at gunpoint…the police take the gun from that individual becuase they ‘think’ he didn’t mean any harm…and then lets just say..that man goes back to the woman and kills her….
that they aren’t going to be held liable for her death?
I guess that would be a law that I’d be willing to try to get changed.
The fact is..they didn’t need guns to subdue this guy. But what if the police had just came and said..eh we don’t think he’ll be a threat anymore.
The government’s job is to keep us safe and for the most part they do a better job than say..Mexico does in protecting their citizens.
By the way.. about the U.N. “making small arms illegal”? Another lie.
“To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons.”
http://www.acronym.org.uk/un/unmilsum.htm
“The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
So the Republican Representatives votes “yes” on a bill that they knew nothing about.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo-kay.
So what you are saying is ALL Republican Representatives are dishonest and incompetent.
“GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.”
In Wichita 75 or 80 full time police officers are for traffic control only. That same ‘officer friendly’ that pulls you over with his radar gun doesn’t respond to 911 calls. If there is an armed robbery going down two blocks away he keeps on giving out traffic tickets.
Still have a case of the stupidity eh Clark?
What part of the Senate bill and Obama’s amendments to the house bill that “requires” the President to adhere to the 35 year old U.N. charter that will cost 845 billion dollars.
It’s Obama’s amendments that are the problem.
“Obama’s amendments to the house bill”
As a Senator, Obama cannot amended a House bill – any differences between a House and Senate bills have to be negotiated between the two bodies and approved by the respective branches.
Further……………..
“House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
You contradicted yourself.
So they House Republicans were either lazy, incompetent, stupid or they thought the bill was a good idea.
And, since we are on the topic, what about the REPUBLICAN co-sponsors of the Bill?
Are they lazy, incompetent, stupid or do THEY think the bill is a good idea?
Hopefully we will get a thread on this tomorrow:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/28/AR2008072801007.html?hpid=topnews
From the article:
Goodling regularly asked candidates for career jobs: “What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?” the report said.
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Are attorneys in the Justice department supposed to serve a king, viz. George W. Bush, or the public – tax paying citizens?
I wonder if Gooling’s immunity deal will protect her from all of her unlawful actions?
For Hank, the science lover; more irrefutable evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution
ScienceDaily (July 27, 2008) — Bacteria living on opposite sides of a canyon have evolved to cope with different temperatures by altering the make-up of their ’skin’, or cell membranes. Scientists have found that bacteria change these complex and important structures to adapt to different temperatures by looking at the appearance of the bacteria as well as their genes. The researchers hope their study, published in the August issue of Microbiology, will start a new trend in research.
‘Evolution Canyons’ I and II are in Israel. They are similar, each with a hot south-facing slope and a cooler north-facing slope. The sun-exposed ‘African’ south-facing slopes get eight times more solar radiation than the shady, green, lush ‘European’ north-facing slopes. Scientists studied 131 strains of Bacillus simplex and found that bacteria on different slopes have evolved differently, forming different ‘ecotypes’ of the same species.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080727224059.htm
Hopefully we will get a thread on this tomorrow:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/28/AR2008072801007.html?hpid=topnews
From the article:
Goodling regularly asked candidates for career jobs: “What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?” the report said.
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Are attorneys in the Justice department supposed to serve a king, viz. George W. Bush, or the public – tax paying citizens?
I wonder if Goodling’s immunity deal will protect her from all of her unlawful actions?
You can say that again, SD.
That’s right p-mom. There is no legal duty to protect. See Warren v. D.C.
Here’s the wiki blurb:
Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. After repeated calls to the police over half an hour, the roommate’s screams stopped, and they assumed the police had arrived. They went downstairs and were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to commit sexual acts upon one another and to submit to the attackers’ sexual demands for 14 hours. The police had lost track of the repeated calls for assistance. DC’s highest court ruled [unanimously, BTW] that the police do not have a legal responsibility to provide personal protection to individuals, and absolved the police and the city of any liability.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
So says, P-mom, the SCOTUS as well. And it’s not a close call.
DESHANEY v. WINNEBAGO CTY. SOC. SERVS. DEPT., 489 U.S. 189 (1989)
“But nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors. The Clause is phrased as a limitation on the State’s power to act, not as a guarantee of certain minimal levels of safety and security.”
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=489&invol=189
This come as a surprise to you, P-mom? It shouldn’t. Police cannot protect all individuals, even if they wanted to, even if there was any sort of legal obligation to do so. If you’re living in the fantasy that there’s an angel on your shoulder, an officer at your beck and call for your protection, you are wrong. I sincerely hope that you are not dead wrong.
To answer your direct question: ” . . . that they aren’t going to be held liable for her death?
No. They are not.
Maggotpunk
Posted July 28, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink
For Hank, the science lover; more irrefutable evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution
Come on MP!
It’s a theory! It’s a theory that has so many so called scientific facts supporting it that they need to constantly make up facts.
THEORY.
UNPROVEN THEORY.
nitwit.
Failure to respond or act in a manner reasonable and timely SHOULD be held accountable. I just read that the 911 operator that hung up on the child and the mother died…was also not even fired for failing to act.
The law states that I must act medically in accord with the training and laws of my state, treat people to the best of my ability or I can be held accountable when someone else with my same training would consider it reasonable to act. Police and dispatchers who are trained should also be held liable. Perhaps that’s the law we need to get changed.
“Should?”
Perhaps.
But “should” isn’t worth a damn. You gotta live in the world that is, not that world we wish was. Deal with reality, P-Mom.
Read Deshaney and Warren. The are eye-openers.
Hank…I don’t know where you get your “facts’ but they are completely wrong. When you wrote:
“…If there is an armed robbery going down two blocks away he keeps on giving out traffic tickets.”
Your comments are without any basis in fact. Try a ride along a couple times and see the facts for yourself, rather than repeating unfounded rumor.
Do you want to bet, Rapter? The police that you ride along with (I have by the way) are not traffic control.
Absolutely. What is the amount? I will contact Captain Easter. Or Captain Dessenberger. Or Captain Speer. Will you take their word for it?
I will take that bet….I contacted Captain Dessenberger of Patrol West. He is out but Lt. Marceau is acting bureau commander in his absence. Here is the lieutenant’s response:
“Traffic officers primary duty is to enforce traffic laws, but they make routine calls for service all the time. And…. I guarantee, they would leave a traffic stop to apprehend a robbery suspect.”
Pay up.
……old man price will never pay up.
Your bet was just a THEORY…………. an UNPROVEMN THEORY!!!!!
LOL
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Democrat Leavenworth county attorney Frank Kohl has only charged Sedale Fox, of Lansing, KS with the murder of girlfriend Olivia Jackson, 20, despite the 2007 passing of Alexa’s Law that gives the ability to tack on an additional charge for the murder of Jackson’s unborn child.
Kansas lawmakers will be interested to know that leftist county attorney Kohl thinks they were wasting their time in passing a law to protect babies from violent attacks.
(Leviticus 26:14-18; Deuteronomy 28:15-68)
. . .
But wait, little one, surely there must be laws?
To take guiltless life must truly give pause?
Some penalty, some cost, some great price paid
By those who dare make your little light fade?
What justice will judges and rulers bring you?
Surely they will defend you, as is your due?
Or will they also turn their face aside
And in their dark hearts the truth hide?
. . . from “Little Innocents” by Betty Baker Bailey
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The church shot up by crazed gunman Jim D. Adkisson, 58, on Sunday was the apostate, pro-sodomy, pro-abortion Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist “church” in Knoxville, TN, with ties to the ACLU. Adkisson was apparently disgusted with their liberal attitudes, although there is some confusion as to Adkisson’s supposed dislike of Biblical adherence, which is that last thing one might expect to see in such an apostate “church.”
No doubt the media will hit several million pro-life, pro-marriage, conservative evangelicals with their thought-crime tar brush.
Tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar.
I wasn’t going to stick my neck out on that one..I’m glad someone called to find out what Wichita Police policy was.
I would seriously hope that police are triaging in importance.
GMC..
I am not so dumb or naive to know that we don’t live in a perfect world. If we did, we wouldn’t need the rules of triage..there would be a tech or police officer for every call, every time, within seconds.
But if some idiot determines that someone isn’t in danger and have no pressing issue other than not wanting to make out a report or something- they SHOULD be held accountable for failure to act- when all the evidence and circumstances make it reasonable to do so.
And yes, that should be law. I cannot believe that those cases have not been challenged and overturned.
I cannot legally decide just not to respond to a call…even if the same person called every day for the last month. Police should not have that ability either.
And technically since I work for a city department…we shouldn’t worry about lawsuits. But we do. All the time. They dictate all of our care- from how we respond, to who we treat first, to how fast we drive to a scene.
” make up facts.” No…. Science has been around for quite a while now. There are methods. If you make up a “fact” peer reviews will find you out.. or some ambitious grad student will.
The very way you bandy about the word “theory” clearly shows you have a serious lack of knowledge about how scientists do their work. Theory of gravity is just a “theory.” Please find a tall building with roof access and test the theory for yourself.
Evolution is a crowning achievement in man’s attempt to understand the world we live in. To not understand and thus accept this “unproven theory” makes one intellectually impoverished.
I find it shocking that anyone would so revel in their ignorance.
Parkay Newman you bafoon. Didn’t James Dobson say recently that to use Old Testament to discuss policy was …what was the word he used….well I don’t remember but it wasn’t good.
Of course, that doesn’t stop Dobson from quoting Old Testament when it serves his purpose.
evilbible.com
Your bible justifies violence and homicide and rape and says quite clearly that fetuses aren’t as important as live women.
But..personally I agree with you that he should be charged under the law…for which it was truly intended. Not that you care one iota about the woman who was murdered here, but rather to use that law as a tool to get at abortion providers and women who don’t act like walking incubators.
PS: from the news “Brunk speculated Kohl may be awaiting Jackson’s autopsy to gather more evidence in the case before filing charges under Alexa’s Law. Otherwise, Brunk said, “I just can’t imagine why you wouldn’t prosecute under this law.”
So shut up already.
And your kind should be prosecuted for pushing the belief that these people in the UU church are deserving of this kind of thing to happen to them.
You and he are both terrorists.
OMG! Here is the new trailer for Oliver Stone’s movie “W” about the best president we currently have…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyDvUwRalXY
“Come on MP!
“It’s a theory! It’s a theory that has so many so called scientific facts supporting it that they need to constantly make up facts.
“THEORY.
“UNPROVEN THEORY.
“nitwit.”
1) This is known as the “lalalalala can’t hear you!” strategy.
2) It is clear that you do not know what a scientific theory is.
3) You are clearly uninterested and (intentionally) unknowledgable about the evidence which supports evolution (common descent-clue: your statement about transition fossils further up thread is categorically false).
4) Given the reality of 1, 2, and 3, you are in no position to be calling people nitwit when you so freely advertise your own ignorance.
Well, Raptor
What’s the bet?
Four divisions, each division has 2 officers regularly assigned for traffic. They are not dispatched out on 911 calls. The community policing officers are not dispatched out on 911 calls. The officers assigned to middle schools are not dispatched out on 911 calls. The high school security officers are not dispatched out on 911 calls.
If a traffic officer is working a traffic stop one block from a person that is requesting assistance via 911, he will not respond. The dispatcher will not dispatch him.
The point being, the police are very good for doing the paperwork after a crime, but don’t count on them to save your ass.
Of course evolution is a scientific fact. No one disputes that, since it can be demonstrated. But notice that in Maggie’s article, the bacteria are still bacteria. They have not become something else.
It is when science takes the leap to common descent theory that it stops being demonstrable science and starts becoming the best guess that doesn’t involve God.
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WSClark
Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
“Obama’s amendments to the house bill”
As a Senator, Obama cannot amended a House bill – any differences between a House and Senate bills have to be negotiated between the two bodies and approved by the respective branches.
Further……………..
“House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
You contradicted yourself.
So they House Republicans were either lazy, incompetent, stupid or they thought the bill was a good idea.
And, since we are on the topic, what about the REPUBLICAN co-sponsors of the Bill?
Are they lazy, incompetent, stupid or do THEY think the bill is a good idea?
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You are being even more stupid now.
The Bill that Obama introduced was a house version and his bill starts with an “S” as in you know (wait for it) Senate Bill. It was that bill that was amended.
Jawless fish have now jaws. Therefore, jawless fish cannot talk.
now=no
Unrelated but interesting:
Hank (on to be fair an unrelated topic) “nitwit”
“Traffic officers primary duty is to enforce traffic laws, but they make routine calls for service all the time. And…. I guarantee, they would leave a traffic stop to apprehend a robbery suspect.”
BTW, my understanding is the same as Raptor’s. An officer might primarily be on traffic duty, but he or she is expected to act if they are notified of a crime in progress and they are the closest to respond.
Maybe you shouldn’t be throwing that terminology around so freely Hank.
C’mon everyone, repeat after me:
Re: Regular
DNFTT
“If a traffic officer is working a traffic stop one block from a person that is requesting assistance via 911, he will not respond. The dispatcher will not dispatch him.”
I call bullsh*t. From my understanding that is not a hard and fast rule. If the situation requires an immediate response, the dispatcher will cast a wider net for the closest responder.
Hank dodges:
“It’s a theory! It’s a theory that has so many so called scientific facts supporting it that they need to constantly make up facts.”
Thank you for being so concise by condensing so much ignorance into such a small statement. About the only thing you have proven is that the evidence I’ve presented is truly irrefutable.
I’m sure all the scientific literate people on the forum are having a good laugh at your expense. Have you ever heard of genetic drift and adaptation? Nah, you live in a world where you think everything is a clone and looks alike.
Have you thought your immense scientific illiteracy is why nobody takes you seriously on your rants against climate change?
“The Bill that Obama introduced was a house version and his bill starts with an “S” as in you know (wait for it) Senate Bill. It was that bill that was amended.”
Duh, and for it to become law, it would have to be passed by the Senate and then the differences (amendments) would would have to be negotiated with the House and then approved by both branches.
You should know, however, that there are no amendments to this bill.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/show
That kind of blows your argument, now doesn’t it, McCluer?
You are just arguing fluff after hair Clark.
Your claims are pointless and have nothing to do with the fact that Obama’s Senate bill is reckless and at a huge cost of 845 billion dollars is something the United States does not need to pay.
“Of course evolution is a scientific fact. No one disputes that, since it can be demonstrated. But notice that in Maggie’s article, the bacteria are still bacteria. They have not become something else.”
“Bacteria” is a common term used to refer to an entire CLASS of organisms (in fact, arguably two classes of organisms). That’s like saying the animals are still animals when discussing transitional fossil sequences between reptiles and mammals (and even that is an understatement).
No amendments? This is directly from the bill:
Amend the title so as to read: `An Act to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.’.
Kind of blows your argument doesn’t it Clark.
AGW deniers believe that rigorous scientific methodology is taking an online survey, and not properly controlling access. (No sarcasm)
‘Useless on-line survey of climate scientists’‘
http://timlambert.org/2005/05/bray
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… If you do choose to participate, the survey can be reached by opening your web browser and going to the following link:
http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/bray.html/
When the page opens click the link to “survey of climate scientists” Here you will be asked for a username and password.
For username enter “respondent” (without quotation marks)
For password enter “ccsurvey” (again without the quotation marks).
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Since the survey was anonymous, there is no way to ensure that only climate scientists participated and no way to prevent people from submitting the survey multiple times.
Furthermore, the survey was distributed on the climatesceptics list which has over 200 members, almost all of them strongly skeptical about global warming. Since the total number of participants was just 557, this could serious skew the results. I don’t believe that the results of this survey are representative of the views of climate scientists.”
Check out scientifically supported fact vs. faith based fiction – it really is not hard to tell which is which (unless, of course, your level of denial would allow you to not see the nose on your face):
http://www.ncseweb.org/evc/
transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
fossils don’t transition…
“Your claims are pointless and have nothing to do with the fact that Obama’s Senate bill is reckless and at a huge cost of 845 billion dollars is something the United States does not need to pay.”
What is “pointless” about pointing out that the bill was approved unanimously by the House, including all Republicans, that Obama cannot “amend” a House bill, that there are at least five influential Republican co-sponsors of the bill, that the bill does not tie specific dollar figures to the expenditures, that any differences between House and Senate bills would have to be resolved through negotiation and then approved by both branches, and that George “the Socialist” Bush himself committed to the G8 aid program?
So, what’s your point, McCluer?
Other than the fact that I have refuted everyone of your points, did you have anything to add?
“transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
fossils don’t transition…”
Simply amazing. Global warming must be caused by all the heath generated by the brains of creationists thinking of excuses, denials and lame ass comments like “fossils don’t transition”.
AGW deniers…
The new catch word for GORACLE worshipers. It’s almost like saying Blasphemers and often used in the same context.
AGW is a religion…
OK Aggie. I was imprecise.
How about: “But notice that in Maggie’s article, the bacteria are still bacteria of the same friggin’ species. They have not become something else.”
Better?
You haven’t refuted anything Clark. You just used your head of stone to keep putting your tired old rhetoric of foolish baseless dispute on the blog.
Next time you Democrites want something and if Obama’s bill passes I’m going to remind you that 845 billion of your tax dollars went to the U.N.
“transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
“fossils don’t transition…’
DNFTBT
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Maggotpunk
Posted July 28, 2008 at 7:36 pm | Permalink
“transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
fossils don’t transition…”
Simply amazing. Global warming must be caused by all the heath generated by the brains of creationists thinking of excuses, denials and lame ass comments like “fossils don’t transition”.
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Hey Cuz,
Explain to me how a fossil can transition from one fossil to another in evolutionary terms?
The only thing that transitions is a period of time or events, the fossils DO NOT transition.
Of course, I wouldn’t expect your incinerator, flesh filled mind to grasp that concept. :D
“You haven’t refuted anything Clark”
Funny, McCluer, I refuted every point you made regarding S 2433, including your false claim about “Obama’s amendments” and yet you still put out the same old BS.
What a, idiot you are, McCluer.
“How about: “But notice that in Maggie’s article, the bacteria are still bacteria of the same friggin’ species. They have not become something else.””
What ever are you talking about? Were you expecting a population of bacteria instantly becoming a bunch of colorful balloons? Keep in mind the article was about evolution, not creationism. It’s a good idea to get a grasp of the subject before pretending like you know what you are talking about.
You have refuted jack Clark. You made irrelevant points that had nothing to do with the initial thesis.
Arguing the “kitchen sink” techniques that you always use Clark, doesn’t cut it. It shows extreme lack of focus and an undisciplined mind incapable of concentrating on a subject.
“Explain to me how a fossil can transition from one fossil to another in evolutionary terms?
The only thing that transitions is a period of time or events, the fossils DO NOT transition.”
I cannot begin to fathom the utter depths of idiocy you have crawled to to generate your notions concerning fossils. Will you next expect me to explain why cats don’t ride bicycles to work?
A person who LIES about climate science IS an AGW denier.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a political hack seeking increased taxes for everyone on the planet.
cosmos hopes that modern economies collapse from oppressive carbon credit tax schemes, so that his poly-theistic socialistic style governments can rule the world.
OH GMC:
22-2307
Chapter 22.–CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
KANSAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
Article 23.–PRELIMINARY PROCEEDINGS
22-2307. Domestic violence calls; written policies to be adopted by law enforcement agencies; contents. (a) All law enforcement agencies in this state shall adopt written policies regarding domestic violence calls as provided in subsection (b). These policies shall be made available to all officers of such agency.
(b) Such written policies shall include, but not be limited to, the following:
(1) A statement directing that the officers shall make an arrest when they have probable cause to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed;
(2) a statement defining domestic violence;
(3) a statement describing the dispatchers’ responsibilities;
(4) a statement describing the responding officers’ responsibilities and procedures to follow when responding to a domestic violence call and the suspect is at the scene;
(5) a statement regarding procedures when the suspect has left the scene of the crime;
(6) procedures for both misdemeanor and felony cases;
(7) procedures for law enforcement officers to follow when handling domestic violence calls involving court orders, including protection from abuse orders, restraining orders and a protective order issued by a court of any state or Indian tribe;
(8) a statement that the law enforcement agency shall provide the following information to victims, in writing:
(A) Availability of emergency and medical telephone numbers, if needed;
(B) the law enforcement agency’s report number;
(C) the address and telephone number of the prosecutor’s office the victim should contact to obtain information about victims’ rights pursuant to K.S.A. 74-7333 and 74-7335 and amendments thereto;
(D) the name and address of the crime victims’ compensation board and information about possible compensation benefits;
(E) advise the victim that the details of the crime may be made public;
(F) advise the victim of such victims’ rights under K.S.A. 74-7333 and 74-7335 and amendments thereto; and
(G) advise the victim of known available resources which may assist the victim; and
(9) whether an arrest is made or not, a standard offense report shall be completed on all such incidents and sent to the Kansas bureau of investigation.
History: L. 1991, ch. 93, § 1; L. 1996, ch. 208, § 3; July 1.
They do have a duty to act according to the law.
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Maggotpunk
Posted July 28, 2008 at 7:45 pm | Permalink
“Explain to me how a fossil can transition from one fossil to another in evolutionary terms?
The only thing that transitions is a period of time or events, the fossils DO NOT transition.”
I cannot begin to fathom the utter depths of idiocy you have crawled to to generate your notions concerning fossils. Will you next expect me to explain why cats don’t ride bicycles to work?
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Explain to me how fossils transitions then.
You can’t.
Fossils don’t transition.
Time and time events transition.
Fossils are inert. Fossils cannot mutate into something else.
You lose cuz maggot.
“Explain to me how fossils transitions then.
You can’t.
Fossils don’t transition.
Time and time events transition.
Fossils are inert. Fossils cannot mutate into something else.
You lose cuz maggot.”
The mere fact that you don’t know what a fossil is tells me that you have officially made the moron poster of the day. Try paying attention in grammar school next time then you might figure out what a fossil is.
HLP…what is your source? I quoted an acting bureau commander of the WPD. You calling both the lieutenant and myself liars? What is your source? Care to backup your ridiculous claim that a traffic officer will not respond to an emergency call?
“You made irrelevant points that had nothing to do with the initial thesis.”
My points were:
The House, including all Republicans unanimously approved the bill.
That there were at least five influential Senate Republican co-sponsors of the bill.
That Obama cannot amend a House bill.
That there were no Senate amendments to the bill.
Any differences between bills would have to be negotiated and approved by both branches.
That George WMD Bush committed to the G8 conference certain monetary contributions.
Now, how are ANY of those points “irrelevant?”
Eh?
“It’s a good idea to get a grasp of the subject before pretending like you know what you are talking about.”
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Ooof! Well Maggie, you know how you are. You implied that the study show evidence of truth of “evolution”. No telling how far you would take that. I mean “evolution” is that sneaky elastic word, encompassing everything from simple changes within species to the theory of common descent.
So, as long as you remember not to limit your claims to what the evidence shows, no problem. In the present case, that would be that micro-evolutionary changes do occur.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’
Don’t you have anything better to do with your life than post lies, and troll on this blog?
—– it is so sad to see a once noble warrior reduced to a lying mass of desperation — sigh —– must be a Navy thing
http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/07/a-stunningly-dishonest-campaign-ad
The campaign had initially said that Sen. Obama had said he thought it might be inappropriate to visit the troops since the campaign was funding his European swing.
Then after reports that the Pentagon had expressed concerns to the Obama campaign about the political aspect to the visit, the Obama campaign issued a statement from Maj Gen. Scott Gration (Ret.), a foreign policy adviser to Obama, saying that the Pentagon told him the visit to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center would be viewed as “a campaign event.”
“Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go,” Gration said.
But the Pentagon said that wasn’t true, that Obama was more than welcome to come, it was just that he couldn’t bring the media or campaign staff.
So here’s what Obama said about it all:
“The staff was working this so I don’t know each and every detail but here is what I understand happened,” Obama said. “We had scheduled to go, we had no problem at all in leaving, we always leave press and staff off — that is why we left it off the schedule. We were treating it in the same way we treat a visit to Walter Reed which I was able to do a few weeks ago without any fanfare whatsoever. I was going to be accompanied by one of my advisors, a former military officer.”
Continued Obama, “And we got notice that he would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but he wasn’t on the Senate staff. That triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political. And the last thing that I want to do is have injured soldiers and the staff at these wonderful institutions having to sort through whether this is political or not or get caught in the crossfire between campaigns.”
“So rather than go forward and potentially get caught up in what might have been considered a political controversy of some sort,” Obama said, “what we decided was that we not make a visit and instead I would call some of the troops that were there. So that essentially would be the extent of the story.”
On CBS’s Face the Nation this morning, host Bob Schieffer asked Hagel about McCain’s claim that “Senator Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a campaign.”
“I think John is treading on some very thin ground here when he impugns motives and when we start to get into, ‘You’re less patriotic than me. I’m more patriotic,’” Hagel said. “I admire and respect John McCain very much. I have a good relationship. To this day we do. We talk often. I talked to him right before I went to Iraq, as a matter of fact. John’s better than that.”
Schieffer also asked about McCain’s new TV ad in which he says Obama in Europe “made time to go to the gym but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn’t allow him to bring cameras.”
Hagel, who accompanied Obama on their official trip to Afghanistan and Iraq but broke off in Jordan, said, “the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds – not the taxpayers -to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign…I think it would be totally inappropriate for him on a campaign trip to go to a military hospital and use those soldiers as props. So I think he probably, based on what I know, he did the right thing.”
Hagel said he wasn’t sure about all the details of the controversy, but “we saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops.”
Hagel said of McCain’s ad, “I do not think it was appropriate.”
Jake Tapper notes the ad also claims that Obama cancelled the trip because he was told he couldn’t bring the media. There is absolutely no evidence for that one. The campaign insists that the plan had been to leave us at the airport, and the military has confirmed that arrangements were being made to hold media and staff there at a passenger terminal.
As I have heard the campaign’s explanations for this decision over the past few days, as well as the attacks, I am convinced that it comes down to something that campaign strategist Robert Gibbs told reporters on the plane: When the campaign learned of the Pentagon’s concerns (Wednesday night), they realized that, however they structured the hospital visit, they were going to come in for criticism.
So they had a decision to make, and they had to do it on the fly. Their choice was to take a hit for going (even if it was a private detour from a very public campaign swing, Obama was going to be accused of using wounded troops for political gain), or a hit for not going (the charge would be–and has been–that Obama didn’t care about wounded troops). They decided to take the latter. …
“So, as long as you remember not to limit your claims to what the evidence shows, no problem. In the present case, that would be that micro-evolutionary changes do occur.”
As a creationist I’m sure you believe that a marathon begins with one person taking a giant 26 mile step. Sorry outlander, you’ve already proven your ignorance about basic science. Perhaps you should buy yourself a bigger shovel if you want to dig yourself a larger hole. Anybody who knows the slightest about evolution doesn’t respond with profoundly ignorant statements like “it’s still bacteria”.
So, as long as you remember NOT to limit your claims to what the evidence shows, no problem.
Scratch NOT.
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Maggotpunk
Posted July 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
“Explain to me how fossils transitions then.
You can’t.
Fossils don’t transition.
Time and time events transition.
Fossils are inert. Fossils cannot mutate into something else.
You lose cuz maggot.”
The mere fact that you don’t know what a fossil is tells me that you have officially made the moron poster of the day. Try paying attention in grammar school next time then you might figure out what a fossil is.
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Puhleeze…
I know exactly what fossils are and fossils aren’t capable of transitioning to anything, except to maybe finer particles of fossil fragments or dust.
What I’m pointing out is that fossils as an object do not transition, they are inert.
The proper context to refer to transitions are events based on time or occurrences of referenced environmental influences.
When one talks science one does not use terms of muddled reference or one will quickly find themselves in confusion and referencing something that does not exist.
Fossil transition in the way it was used does not exist. The transition of events, eras, epochs are examples of transitional periods.
Categorization by morphology or adaptation of locomotion are examples of transition that could be found in fossil evidence, but the transition did not take place in the fossil, rather in the living organism.
Fossil transition is an oxymoron. It is a senseless and meaningless phrase and not coherent to proper scientific explanation of evolution, adaptive processes or documentation of evidence.
A little outlander. The fact is, however, substantial evolution has still occurred. More importantly, there is no reason not to assume that continued reproductive isolation would not result in two distinct species (species concepts are different in different classes of organisms-e.g., bacteria do not reproduce in the kind of sexual reproduction found in many eukaryotes).
Even so, here is a good overview of observed instances of speciation:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Here is a recent report on fruit fly speciation, or at least strong hints of the reproductive isolation mechanisms that underly speciation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7708677?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Species (the development of reproductively isolated populations that can not interbreed) has been observed in the laboratory (usually in short lived, fast reproducing organisms, as one would expect).
Evidence of the effects of reproductive isolation and have been readily observed in plants.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18579478?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18579476?ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
The fact is, outlander, multiple lines of evidence strongly support evolution (common ancestry). And the previous declaration is an absurd understatement.
“So, as long as you remember NOT to limit your claims to what the evidence shows, no problem.”
That evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution supports the scientific fact of evolution? Sure, I’ll limit it to that. How about in the future you limit your number of idiot posts to just one or do you enjoy being laughed at?
Captain Jeffrey S. Porter sent out a letter exposing Obama’s appearance in Afghanistan as a careful choreographed event aimed a beguiling unsuspecting Americans with the notion that just by the virtue of a whirlwind weeklong tour across more than ten thousand miles, BHO is, by spontaneity, a full fledged world-class statesman.
Snopes contends that Cpt. Porter’s letter is false, which renowned columnist JB Williams rebuts soundly in the letter at the bottom.
“Friends,
As a result of personal attacks I have received regarding my column Obama’s Pompous Circumstance International Pandering Bound to Backfire, all of which revolve around the letter from military Chaplain Porter, stationed in Afghanistan, I have decided to copy all of you on my official response to the claims that Porter’s letter is “false” according to Snopes… Nothing else in the column, such as the Mitchell interview with Matthews or the facts surrounding Obama meetings with Israel, have been challenged.
Here it is… use it to answer anyone who raises this issue with you and thanks for your loyal support!
Snopes should be put out of business…
1) On the day of my release, Snope’s was reporting the Porter letter as
(under investigation). I already knew it was authentic.
2) A day later, Snopes marked the Porter letter as “false,” however, if one
reads the Snopes report, it is NOT “false” on the basis of not being
“authentic” exactly as posted in my column. In fact, Snopes like all others who
investigated the letter, (myself included), concluded that the letter is
indeed authentic, exactly as reported.
3) However, as Snopes is run by more left-wing internet geeks just like
Google, Snopes marked it as “false” on the basis that they disagree with
Capt. Porter’s opinion of events on the ground in Afghanistan.
4) The military brass who “staged” the “photo ops” in question, quickly
moved to silence Capt. Porter and rebut his account. Astonishing that they
would do such a thing, no?
It is on this basis that Snopes now shows Porter’s authentic letter as
“false.” The letter is NOT “false,” but rather quite “authentic”written by a
real American military Chaplin who was indeed present during Obama’s
Afghanistan visit. I’m sure it will come as no surprise that others present
may have a different account of events.
As usual, left-wing Obamacons choose to overlook these minor details. Here’s
another example… http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25825692/page/2/ in MSNBC’s
account of the Barockstar Berlin socialist pep rally in which they suggest
that Obama drew more than 200,000 adoring German socialists in support of
his bid for International leader of the One World Order, I’m paraphrasing
here of course, for the uninformed. They also state that only 75,000 were expected at the event.
Note that they forgot to mention it was a FREE ROCK”
So, Box Head, why did Capt. Porter himself ask that the e-mail be taken down?
And, of course, JB Williams is a noted “CONservative columnist.”
“cosmos is not a scientist.
“cosmos is a political hack seeking increased taxes for everyone on the planet.
“cosmos hopes that modern economies collapse from oppressive carbon credit tax schemes, so that his poly-theistic socialistic style governments can rule the world.”
Translation: Notice meeeeeeeeeeee, caaaaaaahmohhhhhs! Pleeeeeeeeeeeze!
“Don’t you have anything better to do with your life than post lies, and troll on this blog?”
Clearly he doesn’t.
“Fossil transition in the way it was used does not exist. The transition of events, eras, epochs are examples of transitional periods.”
Are you addicted to looking stupid or are you just too stupid to realize how foolish you look? I didn’t think I’d have to inform anyone of this but vertebrates have skeletal structures, and sometimes, after death, these skeletons fossilize, fossils get buried in the geologic strata, etc, etc.
I’ll trust everyone on the board except Regular is aware of this fact. I never cease to be amazed by the willful ignorance of creationists. They never heard of graveyards I suppose.
Heat, Demand Contribute To Water Main Breaks
Date: July 28, 2008
Contact: Angela Cato, communications specialist, Water Utilities
E-mail: ACato@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4506
Triple-digit temperatures coupled with an increase in water usage led to three water main breaks in the Wichita area late Thursday afternoon at the intersections of Douglas and Hampton in Eastborough, Maple and Martinson, and Glendale and English. As of 8:30 a.m. Friday, all breaks had been fixed and asphalt patches put on the damaged areas of road to make them safe to drive on until a contractor makes permanent repairs.
Water Utilities staff was notified of the breaks late Thursday afternoon. During the morning and afternoon hours and when it is especially hot outside, demand for water typically increases. Also, extreme heat and extreme cold cause pipes to shift in the ground. Both are reasons why water mains may break. Since Monday, demand for water throughout the city has been steadily increasing with the temperatures, nearing 100 million gallons a day for the first time this summer.
The break in Eastborough involved a two-inch pipe, the size of pipe that accounts for the highest percentage of leaks. To make the City’s water service even more efficient and reliable, a major program is underway to replace two-inch and two-and-a-half-inch pipes around Wichita with larger pipes of at least six inches.
During repairs to water mains, which typically take four to six hours, water service is shut off to homes and businesses in the vicinity. Once city workers arrive at the site, they do not leave until water service can be fully restored. To minimize service interruptions and damage to streets, people are reminded that if they see a water main leak to call the Water Utilities’ 24-hour emergency line, (316) 262-6000, as soon as possible.
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Maggotpunk
Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink
“Fossil transition in the way it was used does not exist. The transition of events, eras, epochs are examples of transitional periods.”
Are you addicted to looking stupid or are you just too stupid to realize how foolish you look? I didn’t think I’d have to inform anyone of this but vertebrates have skeletal structures, and sometimes, after death, these skeletons fossilize, fossils get buried in the geologic strata, etc, etc.
I’ll trust everyone on the board except Regular is aware of this fact. I never cease to be amazed by the willful ignorance of creationists. They never heard of graveyards I suppose.
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Where do I begin?
I’m not a creationist.
I’m pointing out the fact that the use of fossil transition is a pointless phrase as it doesn’t really exist. It is meaningless in terms of discussing diversity, evolution, specialization or adaptive process.
Creatures without internal skeletal structures also fossilize.
However, once they are fossils, the transitioning is over, they are (wait for it) dead.
I’ve been on some digs, recovered shark’s teeth, sea cow vertebrae and other species. Even have some in my rock cabinet at home. Have a piece of fossilized petrified tree.
I’m very sure the fossilized tree didn’t transition after it fell and died.
J B Williams……………….
“A hard hitting columnist, attacking the socialist cancer plaguing America today. He has a pragmatic “common Joe†approach to even the toughest issues facing our nation. He has a degree in BS from the school of hard knocks”
I would agree with the “degree in BS” statement.
http://www.americandaily.com/author/34
Multi-nic’d Regular, once you realize what a transitional fossil is then perhaps you’ll also realize how moronic you sound.
Geeeze Boxlock, learn to read.
Re: “Renown” columnist JB Williams
This is a prime example of dishonesty. If this is what JB Williams is “renown” for, the proper adjective, I would suggest, would be “infamaous”.
This is almost too easy.
“As a result of personal attacks I have received regarding my column Obama’s Pompous Circumstance International Pandering Bound to Backfire, all of which revolve around the letter from military Chaplain Porter, stationed in Afghanistan, I have decided to copy all of you on my official response to the claims that Porter’s letter is ‘false’ according to Snopes”
Note the “false” in quotation marks. Williams is about to create an audicious straw man.
“Snopes should be put out of business…
1) On the day of my release, Snope’s was reporting the Porter letter as
(under investigation). I already knew it was authentic.
Uh huh. This claim is simply embarrassing. My comments to the nonsense following will be in parentheses().
2) A day later, Snopes marked the Porter letter as ‘false’ (indeed, and when Snopes marks something as false, it refers to content), however, if one
reads the Snopes report, it is NOT ‘false’ on the basis of not being ‘authentic’ exactly as posted in my column (Snopes never questioned the authenticity of who wrote it. See the trick here? Williams is now arguing that the e-mail is not false on the basis of the guy whose name is signed to it is the guy who actually wrote it. He has entirely moved on from the content of the e-mail.). In fact, Snopes like all others who
investigated the letter, (myself included), concluded that the letter is
indeed authentic, exactly as reported (Again, authorship is not the basis on which Snopes declared the e-mail “false”. This is a red herring digression refuting a non-existing assertion.).
“3) However, as Snopes is run by more left-wing internet geeks just like
Google, Snopes marked it as ‘false’ on the basis that they disagree with
Capt. Porter’s opinion of events on the ground in Afghanistan.”
Uhm, no, the claims were demonstrably false. Furthermore, it wasn’t just Snopes, it was also Factcheck that lowered the boom on this nonsense. Finally, JB Williams conveniently overlooks the times Snopes has shot down “liberal” urban myths or that others have demonstrated the falsity of the claims. For example, no basketball shooting photo-op in Afghanistan. This allegation was made in the e-mail and it is flat out false. It didn’t happen. Period.
“4) The military brass who ’staged’ the ‘photo ops’ in question, quickly
moved to silence Capt. Porter and rebut his account. Astonishing that they
would do such a thing, no?”
This is known as “poisoning the well”. Make an assertion that has not been demonstrated then use that assertion to attribute motive to “silencing” Porter. Porter screwed up. Period. What he relayed in his e-mail was factually false (and no, folks, it does not mean that he was intentionally lying, more like he relayed assertions he heard and, because of a pre-existing bias to believe them, act on his outrage without verifying what he was saying-the poor guy is probably and justifiably embarrassed).
The facts are these:
The e-mail contained false content.
It was smacked down by those who investigate viral e-mails and claims and found to contain factually untrue information.
Boxlock, seriously, quite digging yourself deeper in the hole you are in. Simply man up and admit you relayed false information. Raptor did it. You can too.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/
It wasn’t just Snopes, Boxlock, and “refuting” Snopes is not sufficient to support the authenticity of the CONTENT of the letter.
And just for you, some more smackdowns of bullsh*t from “liberal” Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bush.asp
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/cheney.asp
“Multi-nic’d Regular, once you realize what a transitional fossil is then perhaps you’ll also realize how moronic you sound.”
He already does, that’s the point. He is playing an irrelevant semantic game with “transitional”.
RE: Regular
DNFTT
Agnatha,
The man wrote an email, which was placed on a blog, and only after catching hell did he back track on it because he got caught having a political opinion when he isn’t allowed to voice it.
He originally wrote it to his family, are we to believe he was lying to them…no.
It’s the liberal Obama fanatics that want it stopped, and guess what, it won’t be.
Here’s one, for you, following this, I think you’ll enjoy.
“It’s the liberal Obama fanatics that want it stopped, and guess what, it won’t be.”
No, it’s those of us that prefer truth to lies that want it stopped.
Capt. Porter’s “story” has been proven to be false.
Get over it.
Just for fun….or not. Though we’ve seen it before it is still interesting.
I don’t know who wrote this, but it certainly is food for thought. And an interesting experiment in liberal excitation.
Welcome to Toastmasters, June 13, 2033. That’s right: 2033
Today Rick Campbell, one of our senior members at age 87, is here to reminisce a bit and give us a history lesson. He says he is so old that he learned to drive an internal combustion engine car (remember those) with a manual transmission. He once owned a typewriter. He remembers when bicycles had one speed, phones had two-party lines, and cameras had something called film. As incredible as this may seem, he says that when he was young, it was common for people to smoke in restaurants and public places. He is from a different time; almost a different world.
I’m sure all of us are far too familiar with the tragic events of 2010, so Rick is not going to plow that fertile field again. Instead, he is going to give us a personal look back at the conditions which led up to that fateful year, in a speech titled ‘2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President.’
‘2010 Was Not a Good Year to Be President’ Yes, 2010 was long ago and far away.
As we look back on history, it appears that some Presidents had easy ride- times of growth and stability. Teddy Roosevelt, Warren G. Harding, Dwight Eisenhower, Bill Clinton come to mind. Those were good years to be President. Others were elected just when the Republic was facing terrible crises:
Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, George W.Bush. They rose to the occasion, even though they were controversial and widely hated while in office. Not such good years to be President.
Just a few years prior, in 2008, the country began foundering. We were in the sixth year of the Iraqi Occupation, and the economy was flat. The mainstream press clearly wanted a Democrat elected.
Although we didn’t know it until some years later, oil producing nations had colluded to secretly buy their own oil on the open market, driving oil prices to shocking levels above the true demand price- reaching a high of $162 a barrel in October, 2008, just before the general elections.
Their purpose was simple: to effect regime change in the United States . And of course, the U.S. economy was already in a real estate slump and also suffering the curse of stagflation; slow growth and high inflation.
There were a million home foreclosures.
Independent truckers went under by the thousands.
Airlines failed. Airlines with names now long-forgotten: United, Delta, Northwestern, American. All now merged, of course, into the one lone U.S. carrier we love so much: Southwest.
Against this backdrop of weariness of the war on terror, and economic distress, the American people were ripe for a demagogue, and they certainly got one in Barack Hussein Obama.
He and his running mate Kathlene Sibelius inspired them with vague notions of hope and change; of a world in which diplomacy settled all international problems, of free universal health care, of abundant alternative energy, of peace and love.
It was a vision too good to resist. The Republican nominee, a name you probably haven’t heard in years anyone?
Yes, it was John McCain; an obscure Senator from Arizona had no clue how to run a national campaign, and a platform nearly as liberal as Obama’s.
The selection of Condoleeza Rice as his running mate looked brilliant at first. Unfortunately, black voters viewed her as white, and women voters viewed her as one of the guys.
Even so, the McCain/Rice ticket would have won the election if it weren’t for the fact that 16 percent of conservative Republicans voted for anyone remember? That’s right, Bob Barr, another name that’s a footnote in history.
After Obama’s narrow win, thanks to recounts in Broward County , Florida , the country was positively giddy…. .A Democrat House, Senate, and President… At last an end to gridlock in Washington.Camelot!
When Congress convened in January, 2009, the 44th President of the United States did something unique in history: he made good on his campaign promises.
Certainly most Americans never really thought he was serious during the campaign. But whether because of inexperience, idealism, or simply incompetence, he followed through.
In Obama’s first One Hundred Days, the Congress passed his initiatives, and he signed them into law as he said he would.
He repealed the Bush tax cuts, and increased capital gains taxes.
He enacted a windfall profits tax, and instituted price controls on gasoline and diesel fuel.
He passed universal health care, which added an additional 10 percent tax increase on all working Americans.
He signed the Immigrant Amnesty bill which created 12 million new citizens instantly, each with entitlements.
He closed the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay , and summarily released all the detainees.
He repealed the Patriot Act, and cut funding for espionage, and eliminated all terrorist listening and wiretaps.
Most important, he began the complete and immediate withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq .
He ignored the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who wanted to retain bases in Kuwait and Qatar . Instead, he went with the recommendation of Secretary of Defense Dennis Kucinich, and ordered all troops back to U.S. soil.
Viola! In One Hundred Days, by May of 2009, it was all done, and the vision was complete. He did exactly what he said he would do.
And so it was in the summer of 2009 that things began to unravel for Obama.
Of course, the economy needed a tax cut, not an increase, and unemployment quickly rose to 12 percent. Even attorneys and economists were put in the bread lines. Hard times!
Price controls on gasoline immediately led to shortages and gas lines.
The global cooling trend we have seen for the past 25 years first became obvious in 2009, exposing the CO2 global warming fraud.
People were justifiably angry.
Federal deficits increased massively because thousands of baby boomers, facing job loss and much higher taxes, simply gave up and took social security.
Although the superb U.S. health care system was thrown into disarray, the bright spot was the creation of the Federal Department of Health care, and the immediate hiring of 250,000 administrators, inspectors and auditors, the only job growth in any economic sector in 2009.
By February 2010, the U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq was complete. It was a very expensive undertaking.
And then in March, the gradual Shiite insurgencies from Iran turned into a true Iraqi civil war. In May, Iranian tanks crossed the border and quickly took Baghdad . Although the exact number is not known, at least 230,000 Sunni Iraqis died as we stood by. Iran also quickly moved into undefended Kuwait .
President Obama did exactly what he said he would. He sent Secretary of State, Maria Cantwell, to Tehran to meet with Iranian President Ahmadinejad.
After two weeks of high level talks, the United States agreed to allow Iran to retain Iraq and Kuwait to create stability in the Middle East, with the understanding that Israel would not be disturbed.
Cantwell returned to Washington , and explained the agreement in her famous speech, in which she proudly noted that the Obama administration had finally achieved ‘peace in our time’ in the Middle East .
So there was some surprise at the rocket attacks on Tel Aviv on August 14th.
President Obama said, ‘This is not the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew.’
The Obama administration decided it would be de-stabilizing to take sides in the conflict, and approximately 29,000 Israeli civilians died during the summer and fall.
American Jews were appalled at the inaction. Yes, in 2010 most American Jews were Democrats, but because of 2010, they are solid Republicans today.
As awkward as it was, everything might have turned out all right for the Obama administration going into the fall mid-term elections of 2010, if it hadn’t been for the dirty bomb in the Port of Long Beach .
The administration had cut funding for the inspection of containers, because they felt it showed a ‘lack of trust’ in the international trading community.
It wasn’t really a very big bomb, and thank goodness, not a real nuclear device, but nonetheless it contaminated some expensive real estate- Newport Beach , Palos Verdes Estates- and ultimately caused the death of 14,000 Americans. People were especially annoyed that Disneyland had to be closed for decontamination.
And so, in the midterm elections, Republicans regained control of both the House and Senate, and the rest is history.
The impeachment proceedings against President Obama for ‘failure to protect and defend’ were swift and nearly unanimous. Vice President Sibelius resigned.
Newly-elected Speaker of the House, J.C. Watts, became the 45th President of the United States .
But you know the rest of the story well.
Republicans finished the war on Islamic fundamentalists, largely by aiming ICBM’s at Mecca and Medina .
No Democrat has been elected President since. Republicans have held both Houses of Congress.
History of Western Civilization and Economics are now taught in all public schools and in English only.
Marriage is defined as one man and one woman.
And there are border fences, north and south.
We old codgers remember the ancient Confucian curse: ‘May you live in interesting times.’
Well, 2010 was an interesting year, but it was not a good year to be president.’
(Far fetched? We are likely to find out if we continue to be unaware of the issues and vote with our emotions rather than be studious in our approach to electing our ‘public officials’.)
“And an interesting experiment in liberal excitation.”
Actually, a rehashed crock of skit.
Of course, what else would we expect from you, Box Head?
“Agnatha,
“The man wrote an email, which was placed on a blog, and only after catching hell did he back track on it because he got caught having a political opinion when he isn’t allowed to voice it.”
It’s more than just expressing political opinion. It is that he relayed factually incorrect information while he did it.
You are now ignoring the reality of the issue:
Porter:”As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.”
Reality: “A number of still photos also released by the Pentagon serve as further evidence that Obama schmoozed with troops while in Afghanistan. The photos (a few of which can be seen here, here and here) were provided to reporters by the Combined Security Transition Command responsible for working with the Afghan government and security forces to secure Afghanistan. They show Obama speaking to uniformed U.S. troops at Camp Eggers.”
But more importantly:
“The message also mentions that Obama shunned the troops ’so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.’ However, the video to which the author refers, of Obama sinking a now-famous three-pointer, was taken a day earlier in Kuwait, not in Afghanistan.”
And:
“But the official spokeswoman for Bagram, Army Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green, told the News that the e-mail comments are ‘inappropriate and factually incorrect. The News quotes her as saying Obama ‘took time to shake hands, speak to troops and pose for photographs’ and didn’t play basketball or even visit the Clamshell.”
Read. The. Article.
Factcheck is non-partisan, Boxlock.
The “toastmasters speech” of coalition conservative conjecture will get the response it deserves as follows:
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I do, however, suggest watching Lewis Black’s “Root of All Evil” for similar exercises in fortune telling.
Are you doing mushroooms or something there boxy?
I bet you creamed your drawers reading that. JC Watts as President! HA!
Oh and…
“Franklin Roosevelt, George W.Bush. They rose to the occasion, even though they were controversial and widely hated while in office. Not such good years to be President.”
It is true. george bush is almost universally hated.
Franklin Roosevelt was not. He just happens to have been probably the best President this country ever had.
(chortles)
McCluer, still waiting for you to show us how my points re: S2433 were “irrelevant.”
Hey Clark, hope your old man is getting along OK.
More “liberal” stuff from Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.asp
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/politics/rice.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/cussword.asp
Aggie: I think a lot of it has to do with world view. For instance, I know that God exists. An agnostic, by definition, doesn’t know. But is likely to look at things from a strictly naturalist standpoint.
So you as a naturalist are going to look at the similarities between the DNA and the physical characteristics of say a man and an ape, and conclude that; they must have come from a common ancestor.
I would look at the same evidence and conclude; same Designer.
Clark, I was serious….No harm intended.
Sorry that you took it bad Clark…I have been in bad spots with family and was just wishing you well..that is all.
“That evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution supports the scientific fact of evolution? Sure, I’ll limit it to that. How about in the future you limit your number of idiot posts to just one or do you enjoy being laughed at?”
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Maggie, my boy; if I’m getting evasive answers and drawing scorn from folks like you, I know that I have to be pretty close to the path of truth.
“Sorry that you took it bad Clark…”
Ah, didn’t take it bad at all, Anti – and thanks for the kind words, sincerely.
I was just joking around a bit – as I usually do – trying to make light of the situation.
To be honest, since this is the anniversary of my mother’s birthday, I am not looking forward to dealing with my father. He tends to be a pain on good days and doesn’t handle emotions well at all. As some do, he lashes out against those closest to him and makes their lives miserable.
But! This is an oldest son’s duty, so on down the road I go.
We’ll send postcards back to WEBlog……….
I am sorry that your Dad is ill Clark.
I’ve been there. It’s hard.
OK, Clark. I have been in a similar situation with my old man as I am the oldest son. Try to make the best of it!
“Aggie: I think a lot of it has to do with world view. For instance, I know that God exists. An agnostic, by definition, doesn’t know. But is likely to look at things from a strictly naturalist standpoint.”
It’s more than that, outlander.
“So you as a naturalist are going to look at the similarities between the DNA and the physical characteristics of say a man and an ape, and conclude that; they must have come from a common ancestor.”
Outlander, a scientist by definition must be a methodological naturalist. He or she must assume that the same phenomena that have demonstrated effects on genetic similarity (such as parent/child/cousin/extended family relationships) also account for genetic similarity on the species level, particularly when those similarities include similarities such as identical retroviral DNA on identical locations on the genome. This is true regardless of the scientist’s metaphysical orientation.
“I would look at the same evidence and conclude; same Designer.”
That’s an untestable hypothesis, and unnecessary when there are applicable natural hypotheses that already account for what is being seen. More to the point, it is a false dichotomy to bring up claimed knowledge (actually beliefs) about the existence of god(s) as the reason why our beliefs differ. There are plenty of theists, including Christian theists, who come to the same methodologically naturalistic conclusions about the evidence for evolution that someone like myself would, and yet obviously are not metaphysical naturalists (although it really is, technically, possible even to be a metaphysical naturalist and be a theist, that is a seperate discussion).
Much of the opposition to the teaching of creationism and its stealth cousin, so called “intelligent design”, particularly in this state, comes from self described Christians.
Agnatha — I would concur with that entirely.
Thanks to each and everyone of you (except McCluer, who says I am mooching off my father.)
It is a funny position – if I may venture an opinion – to be at my age, 56, and have to deal with an aged parent. I never thought it would be my father. I expected, and prepared, to have my mother move in with me after my father died. Unbeknownst to me, the cancer that she had in the early Eighties never left her. My father, on the other hand, has defied medical science and is still alive, even though everyone thought that he would have died ten years ago.
These next few months are going to be difficult for me – I will miss my family tremendously -and believe it or not – I will miss Kansas.
Sigh………………………..
I have to make a phone call in the morning, then, mostly likely I will be packing my bags and saying goodbye.
Safe journey, Clark. Been there done that back in 2004-05… It is difficult…
Clark — I believe you have my email… Feel free to get in touch, if you want/need to talk things over… Blessings!!
take care Clark!
Link was for humor
“It’s more than just expressing political opinion. It is that he relayed factually incorrect information while he did it. ”
It’s all relative to where you are, and what you see at any given point in time.
Porter wrote what he saw, I believe him, and there are always going to be those lined up to defend either themselves, their candidate or their ideas and agenda.
Believe what you will, I will also.
Just as some believe Obama didn’t go see the hospitalized solders because he was told he could go, but no cameras or political posturing, and he decided against it, not enough ‘exposure’ for his agenda. You decide.
Didn’t Clark already wave good bye once? He’s getting as bad as Chas with his multi-sign offs.
Regular
Posted July 28, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
fossils don’t transition…
*****
The James is so cute, is he not? No he is not. Life forms make trasitions and their fossil evidence does too. You need to find a more rational way to kiss up to the Price family. And in case you haven’t noticed, they don’t really like you any way. How often have they invited you for lunch, but failed to live up to that promise??? Many times, I would bet. Maybe Hank will give you a big party and free services over at “the clinic”.
Church Shooter: I wonder where he got these ideas?
“According to the affidavit requesting to search Adkisson’s home, the suspect told investigators liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country. Adkisson also blamed Democrats for the country’s decline, according to the affidavit.
“He felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets,” the affidavit said. “Because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement … he would then target those that had voted them into office.”"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/index.html
trasitions = transitions
untestable hypothesis
- certifiable weasel words of an agnostic.
Prove nothingness.
Or is that an untestable hypothesis?
Recommended Reading:
Setting the Arbitrary Null in non-real numbering systems
Extracting the empty set from infinite numbers and finding the End solution
Formulating sequential zeroes in random sets
(chortles)
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StevenEDavis
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted July 28, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
transitional fossil sequences is an oxymoron,
fossils don’t transition…
*****
The James is so cute, is he not? No he is not. Life forms make trasitions and their fossil evidence does too. You need to find a more rational way to kiss up to the Price family. And in case you haven’t noticed, they don’t really like you any way. How often have they invited you for lunch, but failed to live up to that promise??? Many times, I would bet. Maybe Hank will give you a big party and free services over at “the clinic”.
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Steven E. Davis has been angry ever since I spurned his covert expectations at our meet-up.
Perhaps Steven Davis was hoping for his inner wood to commit to a higher level of existential liberal waffling?
Maybe some pyramid therapy and crystal injections will assist depleting his afflictions?
or…
(chortles)
WS,
I just looked up thread a bit and see that things are not well for you.
For what it’s worth to you coming from me, God Bless You and Your Family.
I hope you find some peace and reassurance in your trials to come.
No matter how far we roam, no matter how independent we think we’ve become, we are never prepared to see our parents suffer or lose them.
I hope all goes well.
Regular
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
Didn’t Clark already wave good bye once? He’s getting as bad as Chas with his multi-sign offs.
*****
You have provided many posts which have made permanent statements about your character, James. The above is but an addition to a long list of shameful comments from an incredible sorry human being {sic} such as yourself.
Boxlock: “It’s all relative to where you are, and what you see at any given point in time.”
Translation: you can’t force me to concede any fact that would refute me or prove me wrong.
I’ve said it for a long time: Wingnuts are the biggest relativists around. It protects them from ever being wrong and from being accountable for their views.
Too bad their petulant insistence that judgment is impossible because everything is relative indicates a collective mental age of around 13.
Are RepubliCONs Stealing the Election Again?
What do you think . . .
by Greg Palast
In swing-state Colorado, the Republican Secretary of State conducted the biggest purge of voters in history, dumping a fifth of all registrations. Guess their color. In swing-state Florida, the state is refusing to accept about 85,000 new registrations from voter drives – overwhelming Black voters.
In swing state New Mexico, HALF of the Democrats of Mora, a dirt poor and overwhelmingly Hispanic county, found their registrations disappeared this year, courtesy of a Republican voting contractor.
In swing states Ohio and Nevada, new federal law is knocking out tens of thousands of voters who lost their homes to foreclosure.
http://www.gregpalast.com/
Steven E. Davis has been angry ever since I spurned his covert expectations at our meet-up.
Perhaps Steven Davis was hoping for his inner wood to commit to a higher level of existential liberal waffling?
Maybe some pyramid therapy and crystal injections will assist depleting his afflictions?
or…
(chortles)
*****
Jimmy, please keep posting crap like this. It makes little sense, but that is nothing new with you.
My “covert expectations” – when James has no idea about stuff, he makes it up. Big surprise there.
You are hopeless. Give up. Never mind, I think you already have… and you should have long ago.
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StevenEDavis
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
Didn’t Clark already wave good bye once? He’s getting as bad as Chas with his multi-sign offs.
*****
You have provided many posts which have made permanent statements about your character, James. The above is but an addition to a long list of shameful comments from an incredible sorry human being {sic} such as yourself.
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No shame on wanting the bastard to leave town and tire of him saying good bye.
Your sense of moral turpitude is obviously absent or horribly disfigured due to constant liberal arm flailing.
Try not to implode from all that internal stress Mr. Davis. :D
In Kansas, Aggie, I think they call those folks who oppose teaching the controversy, “the 25%ers”.
But I don’t think this conversation was about teaching was it? It was more about a search for truth. And I don’t necessarily find it exclusively in science, which is unavoidably biased against anything supernatural.
Fine if you do.
CapnAmerica
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
Are RepubliCONs Stealing the Election Again?
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I highly recommend bidding for one of the many contracts available for voting machine monitoring.
It pays well before and after the elections.
(chortles)
Good night.
I will read Regular’s word salad postings tomorrow if I don’t have anything better to do. Which is doubtful.
And on a much more somber note, here is the Rude Pundit’s response to the Right-Wing lunatic who . Turns out the Rude Pundit has spent a good deal of time at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church.
“7/27/2008
Brief Comment on the Shooting in Knoxville, Tennessee(Updated for Liberal Hating) :
When the bastards finally invade the spaces you know, the places you’ve been, then you feel it deep, man. The Rude Pundit’s been to the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church on many occasions, for a wedding or two, for rummage sales, and for political meetings, and, hell, he even gave a reading there of non-rude material. It’s a good place, a welcoming place, a sane place, a non-denominational place, where social activism is alive and well, where non-violence is preached and practiced. If you’re gonna open fire on a church to attack Christianity, it’s truly a piss-poor choice of locations. And during a children’s production of Annie? Whatever voices in Jim Adkisson’s head were telling him to twelve-gauge up the joint really forced him to do it on the worst possible day.
Surely, some opportunistic assholes will use this to make a case for more concealed weapons, but the Rude Pundit won’t deign to argue with such ghouls right now. Nothing more is needed than a wish for wellness, a hope for healing, and a sigh, once again, for how very, very far and fast we continue to fall.
Update: Oh, wait. Nope, Adkisson didn’t hate Christians. He hated gays and liberals. Hence his choice of churches. So well-played, cocksucker.”
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
James is word-salad psychotic — :)
the man is always accusing others of weasel words, in truth – his words make no sense and he thinks he’s funny. LOL!!! :)
“. You need to find a more rational way to kiss up to the Price family. And in case you haven’t noticed, they don’t really like you any way. How often have they invited you for lunch, but failed to live up to that promise??? Many times, I would bet. Maybe Hank will give you a big party and free services over at “the clinic”.
Man you said it Steven.
Anytime the Price’s or any other con praises James McCluer, he is good for another 30 posts.
It’s really quite cruel of them. Fueling his mania that way for their own political ends.
Dear Franklin,
The other day I predicted that eliminationist Right-Wing rhetoric was likely to provoke killings this election season. Sadly, I was correct.
Your statements the other day regarding Barack Obama belong in the category of incitements to violence. I ask you, now, the repudiate them. If harm comes to him from Right-Wing domestic terrorists, you will share in the responsibility for having helped to create a climate of political violence.
And people on this board will remember your gleeful irresponsibility in having done so.
Halp!
Steven Davis is posting in fragments!
Someone send him a self filling text box!
(chortles)
Ah!
The other head-bobbling yes-Liberal has shown up – Junior the Remil Bluejay.
Will Remil get chapped lips from smooching the behind of Steven Davis for prolonged periods?
Stay tuned for the continuing saga of “Junior’s rubber-necking adventures in Liberal Land.”
WS, I appear to have missed the original statement about your father, so I only know what was said in the latter posts.
I’m sorry for what you’re going through.
Perhaps its time that you ask your father to move in with you- or near you…they have those adult apartments just for times like this. Sometimes it just has to be…parents cannot expect their children to move where they are and give up their lives in order to care for them.
James–
Did you ever “mud”? If so, which one?
I wonder if BJ enjoys anything in life…he seems so boring and down all the time, never in a good mood. Bird Flu??
outlander,
“But I don’t think this conversation was about teaching was it? It was more about a search for truth. And I don’t necessarily find it exclusively in science, which is unavoidably biased against anything supernatural.”
Good. As you yourself concede, what you’re looking for doesn’t belong in a science class. Ergo, the “controversy” of which you speak ought to be taught elsewhere–say, in comparative religion or theology.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
James–
Did you ever “mud”? If so, which one?
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I did long ago, but the people that ran the “muds” weren’t happy that I hacked them, so I left quietly. :)
I want in on that CF. Got a link?
And our cellar dweller James McCluer thinks he has me pegged.
My friends and I laugh at you back channel James. But at least we are honest in our treatment of you here.
Oh you have a few pretend friends. But make no mistake, they aint watching YOUR six.
For them? You’re chaff.
“Hacked” is another word for “cheated.”
Yeah, why does this not surprise me?
BlueJay, freinds…..Ah, I gotta wobble to the bathroom, cause I just sharted…
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BlueJay
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
I want in on that CF. Got a link?
And our cellar dweller James McCluer thinks he has me pegged.
My friends and I laugh at you back channel James. But at least we are honest in our treatment of you here.
Oh you have a few pretend friends. But make no mistake, they aint watching YOUR six.
For them? You’re chaff.
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Laugh at me back channel?
Oh! I’m wounded!
I thought it was more like speaking out of your back channel lawn boy.
(smirks)
“I left quietly” is McCluerian for “I got banned for being a disruptor.”
Sound familiar?
“Oh yeah – Friday…”
And how were my points regarding S2433 irreverent?
James McCluer?
We are laughing at your “superior intellect”.
BlueJay, use your leaf blower to clean up your dead link….Idiot
This is why you have a hard time in society, you are a slow learner.
Khan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CF2K brings up a good point.
When Wahabi fundamentalists inculcate violence against the West through hate speech, the CONs can’t contain their urine with rage.
But when right-wing Christian fundamentalists blame hurricanes and 9-11 on “liberals” and “gays” and a right-wing terrorist follows up on that by gunning down Unitarians, why they have no responsibility for that kind of violence.
Before you can have terrorism, you have to have hate speech. It’s the same whether it’s al Qaeda or White Aryan Resistance or Ann Coulter.
Blue Jay,
Roger that. In on what, precisely?
BlueJay, Mr. “Green”, are you using a reel mower-human powered? Hand shears? Or Gas and 2 stroke motors for your business?
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 28, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink
CF2K brings up a good point.
When Wahabi fundamentalists inculcate violence against the West through hate speech, the CONs can’t contain their urine with rage.
But when right-wing Christian fundamentalists blame hurricanes and 9-11 on “liberals” and “gays” and a right-wing terrorist follows up on that by gunning down Unitarians, why they have no responsibility for that kind of violence.
Before you can have terrorism, you have to have hate speech. It’s the same whether it’s al Qaeda or White Aryan Resistance or Ann Coulter.
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Capn’A: One ignorant sum bitch.
Cap’N,
Indeed. But as others have said elsewhere, don’t expect the Right Wing hate-purveyors to end up on any watch lists any time soon. That fate is reserved for Cat Stevens.
Ah, irrelevant…………..
“Dear Franklin,
The other day I predicted that eliminationist Right-Wing rhetoric was likely to provoke killings this election season. Sadly, I was correct.
Your statements the other day regarding Barack Obama belong in the category of incitements to violence.”
I must have missed that.
And as most know CF, paulie is my favorite tether Paul.
Clue me in?
Regular
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
James–
Did you ever “mud”? If so, which one?
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I did long ago, but the people that ran the “muds” weren’t happy that I hacked them, so I left quietly.
He is sooo proud of being a loser ass hole —– he belongs in the same camp as McBush — no honor no integrity —— no hope
Who the hell blames and hurricanes and 9-11 on gays and libs? Besides the occasional kook?
Yup, the party of “personal responsibility” means “we make YOU take responsibility for yourself so we never have to take responsibility for ourselves.”
It’s like “market discipline.” Poor people who can’t afford their predatory home loan are bettered by “market discipline” when they are foreclosed upon.
Meanwhile, the CEOs who pushed the policy of writing those loans get a million-dollar bonus while the banks they manage flounder into insolvency.
See the CEO’s of debt-ridden Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Their great-grandkids are already multi-millionaires . . . No “market discipline” or “personal responsibility” there.
“Khan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Hmm.
“Fleetwood used to post that. When James McCluer was in the nic “Republikhan”?
Do you wear a dress and carry an old lady purse when you are “Auntie” ANTI there James McCluer?
Yeah douche (Capn’A),
Who the hell blames and hurricanes and 9-11 on gays and libs? Besides the occasional kook?
Or are you a kook and believe everything you read on
demo underground?
Anti–
Don’t play stupid. Your natural stupidity is quite sufficient.
Jerry Falwell blamed 9-11 on gays and abortion on Pat Robertson’s 700 Club and Robertson agreed.
Then Hagee claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God’s vengance for a planned gay pride parade in New Orleans.
But you already knew that . . .
yeah, kooks Capn’A…there are plenty of them to go around on your side as well.
September 13, 2001 transcript of The 700 Club:
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we’ve been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters — the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats — what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact — if, in fact — God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that’s my feeling. I think we’ve just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven’t even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU’s got to take a lot of blame for this.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.
JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I’ll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.
JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang “God Bless America” and said “let the ACLU be hanged”. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time – calling upon God.
PAT ROBERTSON: Amen
Then Hagee claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God’s vengance for a planned gay pride parade in New Orleans.
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How many gay parades go on every year? God chose that one? come on!
and and…
Rosey O’Conspiracy blamed 911 on the gubmint.
Blah fukin blah, kooks. What is your point Capn’A, your side is clean?
Jerry Falwell was a major player in the Republican PAC known as the “Moral Majority.”
Pat Robertson ran a strong campaign for President on the Republican ticket.
These people are not “kooks.” They’re leaders of the right-wing fundamentalist American Taliban that took over the RepubliCON party . . .
and and…
Kucinich sees UFO’s along with his mutter-in-law…
Rosie said fire can’t melt steel…..uh that is how steel is made, and there is the TORCH which I suppose she has never heard of.
and and…
Clinton ‘did not have sex with that woman!”
(clinton whispers: just send me the dry cleaning bill Monica, I’m sure they can get that stain out, here have a cigar)
and and…
Senator Clinton had to ‘duck and run’ for cover while dodging snipers in Bosnia…
CapnAmerica
Posted July 28, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink
Jerry Falwell was a major player in the Republican PAC known as the “Moral Majority.”
Pat Robertson ran a strong campaign for President on the Republican ticket.
These people are not “kooks.” They’re leaders of the right-wing fundamentalist American Taliban that took over the RepubliCON party . .
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Taliban have beards….none the less kooks…oh and taliban do not believe in Christ as Christians do. Jog On
Well, as I said the other day, there are many hate groups… and fringe groups… and other such lunacies in abundance… And I noted that SOME of them post here…
And they know who they are….
From what I have seen posted here today about that tragedy in Tennessee… The fringe element is alive and well on this Blog….
And they know who they are….
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessings on the members/friends of Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Congregation!!
So mote it be!!
Things that Osama and Obama have in common:
Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.
(chortles)
Thank you Thank you!
I’ll be here the rest of the week.
http://www.uua.org
Anti–
I understand your emotional need to say that “we’re just as bad as you.”
Except we’re not.
You can’t show me one person who says the leftist equivalent of “we should kill their leaders, take over their countries, and convert them to Christianity,” like Ann Coulter did about Islamic countries.
You can’t show me one person on the left who says that “Tim McVey should have blown up the New York Times building” (Ann Coulter) or that “the Clintons’ have a new dog–their daughter Chelsea” (Rush Limbaugh).
The hardest leftists I know of are people like Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. None of them ever insinuate that violent purging is the answer to our problems or our problem people.
Chas,
Word. They post among us.
God bless the Tennessee Valley Unitarian / Universalist congregation. And let us all remember to pray for Jim Adkisson as well.
duh Crapn has forgotten about Theodore Kascynski, the Una Bomber – the far left anti-technology kook of which cosmos is trying to emulate.
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CF2K
Posted July 28, 2008 at 11:32 pm | Permalink
Chas,
Word. They post among us.
God bless the Tennessee Valley Unitarian / Universalist congregation. And let us all remember to pray for Jim Adkisson as well.
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Watcha gonna be praying to Muppet Poster?
That Untested Hypothesis or the Mythical storybook deity of the Jews?
Hey, Capn’A, I don’t speak for Ann or anyone but myself…you should try it, it is great!
All though I do like that one: “the Clintons’ have a new dog–their daughter Chelsea” (Rush Limbaugh).
HEE HEE HEEE HEEE, crap, I just can’t type as long as KFG, HEE HEE, you get the point..
Perhaps Crapn has forgotten about E.L.F. and the bombings they did.
Yup, I get the point, Anti.
There’s no fixing stupid.
Hi again James McLuer.
The right on this blog. They must wonder just how many nics you have.
That is problematic for you. Cons, they gotta have belief when they invest.
That is why Nathan did not show up for you when you met Steven. Oh he threatened to attend and defend. But he punked out. He tossed a threat into the mix. He has done it before.
You’re on your own and in many nics there James McCluer. It will be like peeling an onion to get you.
I’m game. Let’s rock.
Then Crapn, there is Obama’s good buddy and former supporter of killing policeman, you know, that well-respected college professor former Weather Underground Bill Ayers…
The SDS…
Black Panthers…
Which is why the RepubliCONs win so many elections.
Their base never wavers, no matter what the evidence of their daily lives . . .
BJ-”But he punked out.”
Kinda like you?
Pipe down Lawn Boy,
I don’t fight with intellectually disarmed liberally disenfranchised neophytes.
Wow, Regular learned something at those John Birch Society meetings.
You left out the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss.
at dawn was it BJ?
The SDS…
Black Panthers… I bet they were just funning, you know like silly string..?
All right, I am done with you loony C*unts (BJ,Capn’A), so go read your marching orders from your websites…I am going to sleep easy. Oh yeah, jog on! and stay inline!
I did say let’s rock James McCluer.
Throw as many nics as you like. I have just the one.
You are stalling.
Well, they could have done it like the Heaven’s Gate poisoners who eternally linked themselves to coincide with the appearance of the Halle-Bopp comet
Sleep is good!
Ah choo!
Don’t worry, JR. McClure won’t show up.
He didn’t show up when I waited to meet him. Lied and said he lived “out of town.”
Of course he’s a CON. A desperate clinging to the illusion of might is all he’s got.
Sad. Very sad.
An empty husk of a useless human being.
My colleagues referred me to your story and I wrote to them I was inspired by it – thanks for sharing your view of things.
2FCK’ed,
The relativism I was referring to is that exhibited by the liberal Obama supporters in placing confidence in anonymous hearsay, conjured up posthaste countering Porter’s letter to mitigate damage.
Back in your hole, mole.
CF2K posts; “If harm comes to him from Right-Wing domestic terrorists, you will share in the responsibility for having helped to create a climate of political violence.”
Oh..Bull!!
Another liberal weakness, transferring blame on to whomever they disagree with, and not accepting or placing responsibility where it belongs.
By the way CF2K, I apologize for mispronouncing your nic above. I am so used to mine being treated vulgarly it was automatic to respond in kind. I notice you did not, this time.
Re: Regular
DNFTT
“In Kansas, Aggie, I think they call those folks who oppose teaching the controversy, ‘the 25%ers’.”
Irrelevant. The controversy, in a scientific sense, is bogus. You want to teach the controversy, do it in political science class, because the reasons for the controversy are religious and political, not scientific. Majority rule does not, nor should it, decide the content of subject matter.
“But I don’t think this conversation was about teaching was it? It was more about a search for truth. And I don’t necessarily find it exclusively in science, which is unavoidably biased against anything supernatural.”
See, that’s where you are mistaken. You continue to confuse methodological naturalism with metaphysical naturalism.
Methodological naturalism simply means that within a field, natural explanations must be assumed in order to practice the field. For example, you go to a doctor and tell her that you have a pain in your belly. You don’t want a doctor who assumes equally the possibilities of a physical problem, demonic possession, and the will of God. Particularly if the doctor first wants to try prayer, and, if that doesn’t work, then come in and see if she can diagnose and treat a physical ailment. The doctor immediately assumes a physical ailment and sets aout trying to treat it. It hardly means that she is a not a believer, or that she is “biased against anything supernatural”. It’s simply that, professionally, she is following the rules of her field. Most people in scientific fields, particularly those in applied sciences, compartmentalize themselves in just this way. Within their field, they are methodological naturalists (must assume and look for natural explanations within the practicing of their field) even if they are not metaphysical naturalists philosophically (the assumption that the natural is all that there is).
What you seem to fail to understand is that those who work in the fields where evolution becomes part of the subject matter by necessity must follow the rule of methodological naturalism. Your doctor may be a creationist because she can afford the luxery of compartmentalizing her methodological naturalism in the diagnosis and treatment of ailments. However, someone such as a molecular geneticists who does comparative work, or paleontologists, or many varieties of other biologists, do not have that luxury. And, they have an explanation that is overwhelmingly supported by evidence.
You keep trying to make this a faith versus no faith issue. Even though I myself certainly qualify for the labels of methodological naturalism and metaphysical naturalism, this is a false distinction when arguing evolution.
Boxlock, you really don’t seem to be learning anything from this, and that is just sad.
I said: “It’s more than just expressing political opinion. It is that he relayed factually incorrect information while he did it.”
Boxlock replies: “It’s all relative to where you are, and what you see at any given point in time.”
No, it is not. Something is either true or false. Obama did not shoot baskets in Afghanistan. The pictures came from Kuwait. Period. It’s not a matter of liberal versus conservative who do you believe or want to believe, it’s a matter of what actually happened.
“Porter wrote what he saw, I believe him, and there are always going to be those lined up to defend either themselves, their candidate or their ideas and agenda.”
1) Now you are putting words on Porter’s keypad. He did not claim to have seen this himself. If he had claimed to have seen this, then he definitely would have been lying. He was more than likely relaying what he had heard, and what he had heard was not true.
2) Now you are making the same mistake Porter did. The e-mail confirms your worst fears about a “liberal” candidate for president, so you want to believe it (and you continue to stubbornly believe it even when you are shown that the information in it is false). You have thrown your ability to actually assess information out the window. You have proven yourself to be completely unreliable. Because what you believe and want to believe is clearly more important to you than what IS.
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