Good morning Wichita: This is the last week of July 2008. August 1st is on Friday. So make the best of these last days of July … summer is going by quickly.
California public students will stick to reading, writing and arithmetic, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger decided as he vetoed a bill late Friday that would have required climate change be added to schools’ curriculum. The measure, sponsored by state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, also would have required future science textbooks to include climate change as a subject.In January, the state Senate approved the bill, SB 908, by a 26-13 vote. Only two Republicans supported the proposal.
In his veto statement, Schwarzenegger said he supported education that spotlights the dangers of climate change. However, the Republican governor said he was opposed to educational mandates from Sacramento. “I continue to believe that the state should refrain from being overly prescriptive in specific school curriculum, beyond establishing rigorous academic standards,” he said.
Schwarzenegger added that the state’s Integrated Waste Management Board’s Office of Education and Environment, along with California’s Environmental Protection Agency, are creating an environmental curriculum for K-12 students that includes climate change issues.
Simitian had said his bill wouldn’t dictate what to teach; rather, it would require the state Board of Education and state Department of Education to decide how the topic would be covered and which grades would study it. While global warming is included in high school classes as it pertains to weather, the subject is not required to be covered in all textbooks, according to the California Science Teachers Association.
I agree with the veto, but not for the reason I’m sure is the reason old man price posted.
There should be no mandate, one way or another, coming from the legislature. Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. Deniers may not like it, but our youth WILL be taught the facts about global climate change. The proven fact is that man is contributing to the warming of the planet through our dependence on energy sources that release greenhouse gases, primarily CO2.
I doubt the old man can handle this viewpoint and I await the rebuttal.
For science fans like Hank, here’s yet another piece of evidence that, once again, proves the scientific fact of evolution.
by Ed Yong
Imagine watching a movie where every now and then, key frames have been cut out. The film seems stilted and disjointed and you have to rely on logic to fill in the gaps in the plots. Evolutionary biologists face a similar obstacle when trying to piece together how living species arose from their common ancestors. It’s like watching a film with a minimum of footage; the species alive today are just a few frames at the very end, and the fossil record represents a smattering of moments throughout the film’s length.
Heteronectes_head.jpgBut the gaps, while plentiful, are being slowly filled in. With amazing regularity, new fossils are being unearthed that bridge the gap between existing specimens. These “transitional fossils” are always greeted with great relish for their intermediate nature provides yet more examples of gradual evolution from one form to another. They act as handy visual aids for explaining the story of evolution to those with a dearth of imagination.
Now, Matt Friedman from the University of Chicago has described a new transitional fossil that is one of the most dramatic yet. Its name is Heteronectes (meaning “different swimmer”) and it’s a flatfish, but not as you know it.
Scientist discover gravity well, possible explanation for Climate Change
A huge vortex located precisely in the center of the Bermuda Triangle was discovered to send instrumentation wildly out of control. It wasn’t until a NASA satellite passed over the area with infrared and magnetic variance technologies that thermals and giant wind vortexes could have a huge affect on global climate.
Dr. Ima Sukemblau stated that teams of climatologists are rushing to area to study the phenomena. She also stated that the phenomena which they have nicked name the ‘tub ring’ will be quite difficult to measure because of its immense side.
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
HLP
Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
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This post makes you look more asinine than usual old man.
Your opinion that a transition fossil is “rare” is not in any way “proof” of creation.
Leave it to a voodoo/creationist to use the old “I don’t acknowledge your data, so my mindset is obviously correct” ploy!
OBAMA PLAGIARIZES CUBAN COMMUNIST IDEAS
The nature of the term ‘plagiarism’ denotes the practice of passing off as one’s own the ideas of someone else.
This being the case, Barack Obama has plagiarized the ideas of Cuban Communist Fidel Castro.
Two weeks ago the Illinois junior Senator and presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee rolled out his plan to implement a massive ‘civilian security force’ that would rival the U.S. military in scope, power, and authority.
Political observers in both Parties were taken aback by the proposal. But the concept is not new, nor is it original with Barack Obama.
A major political figure from the past made a similar proposal right here in our own hemisphere. One of the keys to the implementation of Cuban Communist totalitarianism under the Castro regime was the concept that each individual civilian would see himself/herself as a comrade in the massive ‘army of the people’ that would insure the success of the revolution in changing Cuban society from top to bottom.
Not only that, but civilians would be required to provide service in this massive security force, just as they are always forced to do in totalitarian regimes from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot.
And now here comes Barack Obama with the very same idea.
The thing that makes this proposal so frightening at this particular time is that there is already a move afoot in the Democrat-controlled Congress to implement the so-called ‘National Service Act’ that would require all citizens of a certain age to engage in service to the government.
When it was first suggested that Barack Obama finds some close kinship with the likes of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Fidel Castro, many charged that the notion was ‘over the top.’ Perhaps now the notion that Obama plans to unleash Marxist ideology on America is not so far-fetched.
Anti-science, in modern terms, refers to largely ideological attacks on the teaching of evolutionary theory and other sciences in schools, and their use in the world at large. This is particularly true when it comes into conflict with conservative or religious positions. Common targets include evolution[1], global warming and various sorts of medicine, although other sciences that may conflict with right-wing ideology are often targeted as well.
The anti-science position generally holds that in cases where science and ideology come into conflict, science itself must be flawed. This position is normally couched in reassuring code phrases, such as Intelligent Design. This leads to numerous attempts to discredit scientific methodology, the scientists themselves, and the very foundations of science itself. These attempts often involve misrepresentation[2], obfuscation[3] and outright denial.
This modern usage of the term should not be confused with the anti-science movement in the 1960’s and 1970’s, which was largely concerned with the possible dehumanizing aspects of uncontrolled scientific and technological advancement. While this skepticism of unchecked change meets the classic dictionary definition of conservative, it falls far short of the anti-intellectual thrust of modern political conservatism.
The term can also be used for policy decisions which, for political reasons, ignore the advice of scientists paid to inform such policy. In the Bush administration, politically appointed administrators of the Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies have made decisions in conflict with the recommendations of agency scientists. In addition, wording and conclusions in scientific reports have been changed to support corporate interests
Under cover of night dozens of barges queue up to dock at a jetty in a creek somewhere in Nigeria’s oil-rich Niger Delta.
Their holds are filled with stolen oil running from valves illegally installed into a pipeline.
Full, they chug downstream to meet around 10 larger ships near the oil export terminal in Bonny, Rivers State, where they disgorge their cargo.
By 0500, in the darkness before dawn, the ships uncouple from the barges and move out in a convoy to sea to rendezvous with a tanker which will spirit away the stolen oil, making it disappear into another cargo, bound for sale on the world market.
Heckler
Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink
“Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. ”
teehee.
It’s always good to start the day with a good chuckle.
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I posted this Saturday hoping for your thoughts. You disappeared. Care to take a shot at it today?
(“The Knutson study follows one published by prominent global warming alarmist Kerry Emanuel and two other scientists.
The Emanuel study, published in the March 2008 issue of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, concluded, “A new technique for deriving hurricane climatologies from global data, applied to climate models, indicates that global warming should reduce the global frequency of hurricanes, though their intensity may increase in some locations.”
The study comes as a tremendous concession from Emanuel, who has long stoked media fears of global warming causing more hurricanes.”
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“The Emanuel study directly contradicts sensationalist media assertions of global warming being responsible for recent hurricane activity. Assuming the computer models are correct, Emanuel reported, “the greater part of the large increase in power dissipation over the past 27 [years] cannot be ascribed to global warming.” ”
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” “When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
Former workers at the web giant Google have launched a rival search engine.
Cuil, pronounced “cool”, says it uses more than 120 billion webpages to build up its index of the information it finds on the web.
It claims this is more than Google uses though the search giant has stopped reporting how much it indexes. Without revealing numbers Google claimed its index was still bigger.
Cuil claims that its technology moves away from the methods that have driven Google’s success.
Instead of just looking at the number and quality of links to and from a webpage as Google’s technology does, Cuil attempts to understand more about the information on a page and the terms people use to search. Results are displayed in a magazine format rather than a list.
…………….I think what is occurring would best be described as “Global Climate Change”. Though parts of the planet are definately warming; a disruption of the thermo-haline system in the oceans could actually cause cooling in some areas. The entire process and its implications is too important to be ignored.
You may be “looking at science”, but you obviously don’t understand what you are reading. It is you and your misguided buddies who frame your understanding of science based on ideology. If your reichwing masters don’t buy into it, you’re against it.
As for your assertion that I disapeared on Saturday, well I do have a life aside from this blog. I’m out of here for the day.
100 days to go: The presidential race’s red-letter days
WASHINGTON — The longest presidential election season in American history is about to enter its final stretch.
Count ‘em: 100 days to go.
In the time before Nov. 4, running mates will be chosen and platform skirmishes fought, economic reports released and as many as one-third of votes cast early by absentee ballot and at registrars’ offices. Will more U.S. troops be pulled out of Iraq? Could a so-called October surprise be sprung, by calculation or catastrophe, that reshapes the campaign’s close?
• The Los Angeles Times — Political rookie in Kansas uses online comic strip to raise money: Democrat Sean Tevis was told he’d need to raise at least $26,000 to be able to compete for a seat in the Kansas state legislature against the Republican incumbent he wanted to challenge. The 39-year-old political novice created an online comic strip about his effort and this week will report he’s raised more than $95,000.
It may be the biggest news nobody really noticed. One of the world’s largest drug companies is paying directly for research on embryonic stem cells.
GlaxoSmithKline (nyse: GSK - news - people ) plunked down $25 million July 24 for a five-year collaboration with the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. Both Glaxo and Harvard will contribute intellectual property, and they’ll divvy up any discoveries based on who delivered what.
Record 2008 deficit - Bush official
A budget deficit headed to $490 billion, as revealed by top Bush administration official, would easily overtake 2004 record
WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior Bush administration official says the budget deficit for this year will set a record in dollar terms, approaching $490 billion.
The official said Monday the deficit was being driven to record levels by the sagging economy and the stimulus payments being made to 130 million households in an effort to keep the country from falling into a deep recession.
A deficit approaching $490 billion would easily surpass the current record deficit of $413 billion set in 2004.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the new deficit estimate had not been formally released. Bush administration officials were scheduled to do that at a news conference later Monday.
What proof is there that CO2 created by humans is making the earth warm? None.
Is there a lot of valid scientific work going into it? Of course. Ice core studies, all the studies on deterimining temperaturs going back 100,000 yrs, and so on.
But the Godfathers of AGW are ideologically driven. Remember before it was AGW it was Global cooling driven by man made particulates in the atmosphere. They coulnt prove that and found that global temperatures were actually rising slightly.
Change gears fast. And AGW was born.
Not of science but of an idealogical goal to reign in human activity. Cut human use of natural resources.
Apo you need to read some of the books that the Godfathers wrote back in the seventies.
The only “proof” of AGW is the computer models. And they keep changing, and changing, and failing to predict short term results.
I leave you with this from the linked article-
When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
The coldest summer ever? You might be looking at it, weather folks say.
Right now the so-called summer of ‘08 is on pace to produce the fewest days ever recorded in which the temperature in Anchorage managed to reach 65 degrees.
That unhappy record was set in 1970, when we only made it to the 65-degree mark, which many Alaskans consider a nice temperature, 16 days out of 365.
This year, however — with the summer more than half over — there have been only seven 65-degree days so far. And that’s with just a month of potential “balmy” days remaining and the forecast looking gloomy.
National Weather Service meteorologist Sam Albanese, a storm warning coordinator for Alaska, says the outlook is for Anchorage to remain cool and cloudy through the rest of July.
“There’s no real warm feature moving in,” Albanese said. “And that’s just been the pattern we’ve been stuck in for a couple weeks now.”
In the Matanuska Valley on Wednesday snow dusted the Chugach. On the Kenai Peninsula, rain was raising Six-Mile River to flood levels and rafting trips had to be canceled.
So if the cold and drizzle are going to continue anyway, why not shoot for a record? The mark is well within reach, Albanese said:
“It’s probably going to go down as the summer with the least number of 65-degree days.”
Why hasn’t the global temp average risen since 1998?
Why do we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than the last 800,000 years, but we aren’t anywhere near the warmest over the same time period?
Why did the IPCC put so many lies in its draft report that ‘anyone who requests a copy; reviewers spotted? Why was it not peer reviewed before release to ‘anyone who requests a copy?’
Why has no computer model, ever accurately predicted climate change?
This week, an event of titanic import has occurred in the music world. U2 has re-released its first three LPs on enhanced CD: Boy (1980), October (1981) and War (1983) will now be gracing our senses - re-mastered, improved and profound.
I first heard U2 in January of 1982. I had moved to Los Angeles that winter, and immediately set my radio to KROQ, Southern Cal’s seminal alt-rock station. Shimmering, stunning sounds exuded from that station: Romeo Void, The Cure, The Stranglers, The Go-Go’s, quirky s–t one would never hear on Top 40 sterility, and so on.
One cataclysmic evening, I heard a gorgeous track titled “Rejoice” from the then-little-known Irish band’s second LP, October.
And the world trembled on its own axis.
The opening riff set the transcendent tone: As my musician brother would later declare, it sounded like The Edge was playing two notes at once. Like a hosanna from the highest of heavens, this track entranced my senses and compelled me to rush right on over to Tower Records on Sunset Boulevard, where I promptly purchased this LP.
And the rest of the LP was riveting, too. The next year, I purchased U2’s first LP (Boy), and it was darned good as well. U2 is spiritual without being religionistic; they were youthful idealists without bombast; they were boys on a mission.
And the soargasm that occurred in this music afficionada’s auditory cavities remains unforgettable(’cause my soul soared to the stratosphere and beyond).
“October” was singular because of this fact: The master tapes had been stolen back in 1981, and the sound quality wasn’t ooh-la-la. So when its songs stirred the senses - even without technological brilliance - you know you’re talking musical might.
And now the band has altruistically re-released that m—erf—er, and I can’t wait to buy it.
I’m slightly less enamored of the band’s later efforts; in my opinion, nothing compares to “Boy” and “October.” And now, with the chance to hear that second LP in its restored glory, oh-h-h-h…
Can anything be better than this?
I don’t know; I’m not an authority on sensual pleasure. But when it comes to music, I know what I like and I know what I want and I know why I want it.
In fact, I just went back there (to close the tab!) and discovered there are actually OTHER ISSUES than the one at the TOP of the page, but what I read first told me everything I want to know about Ron Paul.
Being pro life AND supporting the federal government stay out of the issue and leave it up to the states turned you off of Dr. Paul? Do you think the federal gov’t should be making decisions like that?
While I have become totally disenchanted with our president, I must mention the deficit that is being blamed solely on him. The Congress (with its Democratic majority) is where the budget comes from. The president proposes it, but the congress must pass it. Bush tried to veto some horrendous spending pork packages, and got his veto overriden.
Let’s place the blame where it actually belongs, the president AND our do nothing overspending Congress. None of them are fiscally responsible and none of them should ever be returned to DC.
The ‘civilian security force’ being wildly misrepresented refers to the combined efforts of Americans working in currently existing programs, like the Peace Corps, Americorps, the State Department’s diplomatic services.
Being a better America make us more secure, is the point.
Don’t start looking for the Black Helicopters anytime soon. The right-wing extremist bloggers are making this up to frighten you.
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Authorities on Monday said the man charged with murder in a Tennessee church shooting left a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals, and his expectation that he would be killed by responding police.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the Sunday shooting at a Knoxville, Tenn., Unitarian church that left two people dead and five injured.
eft a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals,
Sigh, ah yes, convenient scapegoats.
While I believe in holding people responsible for their own actions, the Limbaughs, Coulters and Hannitys of America share some responsibility for such needless tragedies.
Sol, it’s a federal law because we are a “united” states of America. Yes, there is much that should be left to states and there are laws that must be from the federal level to keep us from becoming like the north and south of civil war times. Sol, the federal government already made decisions like that! I would have preferred it be none of any level of government’s business, but shoving those responsibilities to the state level isn’t any better.
a woman, her doctor and her god
I respect your right to believe differently and would expect the decision you would make on the subject would be different from the decision another would make after consulting with her doctor and her god.
Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
“The man accused of a mass church shooting this morning was described by his Powell neighbors as a helpful and kind man, but one who had issues with Christianity.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, which killed one and injured eight others.
He is being held on $1 million bond.
“He had his own sense of belief about religion, that’s the impression I got of him,” said neighbor Karen Massey. “We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.
“He seemed to get angry at that.”
According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who “made him go to church all his life … he was forced to do that.”
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
How does my support for wind, solar, nuclear prove that my science is a fraud? How does my support for finding ways to sequester carbon prove my science a fraud? How does my support for energy conservation/efficiency prove my science a fraud?
DavidB —- I AGREE with you on your assessment of that issue as just more fear mongering…. TOTAL fear mongering… Let’s face it, in addition to the programs you mentioned, there is also the TSA, which is a non-military security force already working at every airport in the country!! And that is also in line with what Obama is proposing… Lets stop this one BEFORE it gets into the Reichwing talking points….
Whatever…
This Globalist scum, Obama’s “civilian security force”, will introduce us to a bunch of lumbering, rent-a-cop’s with petty powertrips, but only they will have power. This program will be funded equal to the military. And how do you expect that to be paid for? By ticketing you for jay-walking and equally rediculous crap. This Obama naivete will surely destroy us, much like McCain.
Talking points?
Are you serious?
Our freedom determined by someone’s 3 minute sound bite?
This sh.it is for real and your little left/right paradigm crap is not.
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
Ben, it’s really pretty simple. There are two groups that tend to characterize the AGW debate.
(1) Our heroic oilman president,ditto VP, Republican pols, the heroic oil producers (OPEC, Texas wildcatters, etc), the heroic multinational oil companies, and the other energy industry groups that control think tanks like the Federalist Society and the Cato Institute, all of whom are fighting to provide us with energy we need within the noble free market.
(2) The evil cabal of conspirators: the IPCC, climate scientists, amateur enviromentalists, Luddites, or other wackos, who have a diabolical plan to upend our economy, and enslave us in cold dark homes, where we can never go anywhere, do anything, eat anything tasty or have any fun.
The Environmental Cabal’s motivation is transparent: they want to pervert any notion of real science (and have bought off the vast majority of climate scientists to that end), so they pursue wildly profitable initiatives in solar, wind, and another other renewable sources of energy. It’s soooo obvious that they hold all the power! It’s part of the Globalist Conspiracy: Everyone knows the WTO, the G-8, all the major players in the Western world, are firmly in the pocket of Big Green.
Silly people might point instead to the influence of mean ol’ oil companies on governments worldwide, and their record profits, or their millions spent on lobbyist, or their bought-and-paid-for White House, etc. And so on. Or the dispensing or even basic safety and environmental standards by the promoters of unrestrained globalism.
And by the way, Outie, there was nothing in that summary that indicated he was an atheist.
And it’s pretty damn weird that you think that atheist is somehow the opposite of conservative. It’s fact, all that’s required to be a atheist is disbelief in the little man in the sky.
Though I will have to confess I wonder about the parents who would name their daugther - “Eugenie” - I think they may have wanted a boy and “nerdie” one at that.
Yes we are a ‘United’ States. The federal government was never meant to have the control that they do today.
How many M.D.’s that have delivered 4000+ babies are pro-choice? Even as such, Dr. Paul believes that this should be a State’s issue. The federal government has far too much power as it is.
And to decide to dismiss a candidate over one issue is shallow. Do you by proxy then agree with Obama 100% on 100% issues? You bailed on Dr. Paul after just one. How many of Obama’s are you willing to live with?
He wants deregulation of everything. the guy is a quack and only believes in people doing the right thing…unless it comes to abortion..then hell no we can’t have people making their own decisions on that.
That’s what so damn nutty about the libertarian movement. They believe that people will just do the right thing without regulation..unless it is something they don’t believe in then there of course has to be regulation.
Tell me…if say under the no regulations guy, who would be making sure that my doctor was not performing abortions on me?
The Tennissee gunman was on food stamps and unemployed and said he couldn’t find a job.
Wait, isn’t it liberal policies for foodstamps…and don’t conservatives believe that any job is a good job? You’re telling me the guy couldn’t have worked as a walmart greeter for 6 bucks an hour?
Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.
Or perhaps if the church had been declard a “no gun” zone by the government, just like schools, this man wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside.
And Ron Paul was/is and OB/GYN. He is personally not for abortions. He’s delivered over 4K babies and has stated that he’s never seen a reason to perform an abortion to save a mothers’ life. His philosophy is that if he can be sued for malpractice if anything happens to the baby/embryo…whatever, then it musu be a BABY. Change the laws so that a doctor can’t be sued for anything before the baby is born, then bring up his abortion stance.
The gunman got his gun into the church in a guitar case… A shotgun even… Since it was a UUA congregation, it might well have had a No Gun sign on its doors…
Rage? Did I post; “That’s not fair”? Good grief. For a semi-smart person you sure can post imperceptive dumb things.
Sigh.
This is actually what you said: Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
The analogy only holds if there’s some reason to believe the guy might be an atheist. There wasn’t: He could have been an atheist, and anger with Christianity is the bread-and-butter of disillusioned theists everywhere.
But point taken: not all conservatives subscribe the mouth-foaming hatred of O’Reilly and the like.
I expect the government to protect me…from those who wish to do me harm.
Whether that be an employer, a bank, a food grower or a terrorist in an airplane. Or someone who tells me that I cannot make my own healthcare decisions.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be. that’s why I have a doctor. Like I said clearly –
a woman, her doctor, her god
NOT the business of government at any level!
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him when I went to the link you provided. It showed me everything I wanted to know about him, and turned me off looking further.
And I stated quite clearly that I respect your right to make a decision different than one made by another person.
I don’t believe it. There is no way someone would take a gun into a place with a “no gun” sign. It is against the law in most places and the sign should obviously stop someone.
So, I simply don’t believe they had a sign.
It is simple. If they had a sign, the man obviously wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside. It makes perfect logical sense.
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government, all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms, until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be.
Then you better haul a$$ away from Obama.
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him
The issues are alphabetical. This is not his site. He does not sponsor it. He did not make the entries. Abortion is the first issue alphabetically. If you had gotten past your knee jerk abortion hic-up you would see what his ONE ISSUE is. The economy. Dr. Paul can pay for every one of his policies. He can do that because 90% of his policies cut spending and taxation.
But I can see you have your abortion/Obama blinders on.
I used to have GOP blinders. I was brave enough to take them off. They’ll never go on again.
On the issue of evolution & creation - both use science to back up their claims. Science is not the belief but a tool by which one uses to prove theories.
As for me, I believe in creation by God. As Blaise Pascal quoted in his eqution: If I believe in God and when I die, I find there is no God then I LOSE NOTHING but if I am right then I GAIN EVERYTHING. But if you believe there is no God and when you die, you find you were right then you GAIN NOTHING but if I am right then you LOSE EVERYTHING.
Science is not the belief, evolution and creation are the beliefs. What it comes down to is that no man or woman can be forced to believe in God. That responsibility lies with each one of us.
BTW, that is the difference between Christianity(true Christianity) and other religions. A Christian knows it isn’t his responsibility to win over souls for God. We are to share what God has done for us and at that point it is between that person and God.
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government,
True enough. The constitution. How revolutionary.
all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Those eeeevil rich. Rage, how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man?
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms,
True dat
until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
How many politicians can you name that are nit bought and paid for?
All I’ve seen from the posters who espouse libertarian viewpoints is broad statements without details, much like they criticize the politicians and supporters of other parties about.
They state goals, like politicians and supporters from every party, with too few details of how to accomplish those goals.
Makes us all pretty much the same, doesn’t it!? We’ve studied, we’ve researched, we’ve informed ourselves and chosen the candidate we think most closely holds the opinions and philosophies we agree with.
As you know I am not a very political person. I
just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to ‘The War Zone’. I > wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof
vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand
he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his
publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for
the American’s back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way
over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from Senator, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just
don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of
person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier
Ron Paul is the ranking member of the House Committee on Financial Services
This is his economic plan that he unveiled to the committee :
1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.
Congressman Paul has written or co-sponsored numerous bills to enact the policies in his plan. In Congress, he has been a champion of lower taxes and limited government.
Congressman Paul is the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. In Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.
As for the abortion issue - I think abortion makes the women victims twice. If she is getting an abortion because she was raped, she has become a victim twice and the real criminals are getting away with crimes - the rapist for raping a woman and the doctor for murdering her baby. Now she ALONE must bear the guilt of being raped and the guilt of her murdered child.
No matter, how much the liberals say she wasn’t guilty, she feels guilty. It is only natural. And who is there to help her. Not the liberals but the conservatives who have opened up pregnancy centers across America.
As for the man who shot those people in that church in Tennesseee, he was wrong. God will be the judge of those who condone abortion, not us. I feel for those people but I also feel for him. I hope he comes to the realization of what he did and that God will bring someone into his life to help him through it. I also pray that God will bring people to those who lost dear ones in that shooting.
As for Phil Kline, I praise God for supporting him and helping him through all of this. It is so obvious that there are judges who are not interpreting the law but using their biases to stop him from using the records at Tiller’s clinic. The court came to the decision that there were laws being broken at Tiller’s clinic ,which in an y other case, records would have been handed over. But since our corrupt Governor has dirty money on her hands, the judges have so far prevented him from using those records. What an obvious cover up.
Rage:
1. Libertarian views are nothing revolutionary. Often you hear me speaking of Barry Goldwater. I don’t know if he was a revolutionary. However, his ideas were around long before the Libertarian party took hold.
2. In effect, you are saying that without degrading economic freedom, personal freedom will never be enjoyed. You made this statement by calling the eventual outcome of personal freedoms to be irrelevant. In my view, that yields far to much power to multinationals.
3. The multinationals will never have enough economic power to affect the market unless the average person were so weak minded as to listen to their advertising, and not question it. If the multinationals had enough economic power to provoke law changes that stymied personal freedoms, then they would not be acting within a libertarian environment.
To have regulation you have to pay for regulation- you have to pay for workers to come inspect, for people to file complaints. It is far more effective for us to pay a federal agency than it is for every state to have its own separate group for that.
I’ve got to go mow the grass — even if it’s still wet — before I get dizzy from the circles we spin.
Dr. Paul doesn’t have enough support, if he did he would have garnered the nomination he sought. Maybe after all those books, and all those years of working in government someone needs to ask why he isn’t taken seriously. What are the roadblocks to support of his ideas?
Is there a person in government who can do something alone?
Are any of us changing someone’s opinions. I didn’t think so. What I know I can do is make the grass shorter with the lawn mower.
I don’t think that Economic power is the key to political corruption. Removing the variable of economic power will not remove corruption in politics, merely change the nuance of the corruption.
Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals. There are plenty of women who have had abortions who have known that it was the right thing to do.
Ron Paul has performed abortions, there is no way he’s ever not run into an ectopic pregnancy. And yes, that is an abortion to save a woman’s life.
And has he ever mentioned how many women or babies have died in birth? No of course not…none of which would have happened had they had an abortion.
HOW MANY grand juries have to clear Tiller before you get it through your thick skull that he’s not doing anything illegal or wrong.
Right now I’m praying for Kline to win the republican primary in JOCO. I truly mean that.
I’ll even get out there and distribute campaign letters to the non-profits for him. Heh.
And yeah there is guilt. There is guilt that people impose on themselves all the time. I saw a tv story the other day of a man who brought his grandson to sweep up a jobsite…and he felt guilty because his grandson nearly killed by an accident.
Just because we feel guilty doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve done anything wrong. Irrational guilt just happens. The women who are raped will feel guilt NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO if they end up pregnant from that rape. Most women who take the morning after pills never feel guilty for taking the pills. Unless someone tries to guilt them for it.
You prey on women in this time, yes there are liberals out there available for them. You PREY on them acting to be all concerned when all you really want to do is suck them into your beliefs.
Your groups aren’t support, you’re liars and the worst kind.
Can we now expect a ‘death bed’ confession from Novak about the bush juanta?
Robert Novak Has Brain Tumor
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By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: July 29, 2008
The columnist Robert Novak has a brain tumor and will stop writing and making television appearances, at least temporarily.
Skip to next paragraph “On Sunday, July 27, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor,” Mr. Novak said in a statement on Monday. “I have been admitted to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, where doctors will soon begin appropriate treatment. I will be suspending my journalistic work for an indefinite but, God willing, not too lengthy period.”
And I can’t wait to hear which radio and TV commentator’s this sick man took his marching orders from…..
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Knoxville’s police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson’s car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a “stated hatred of the liberal movement.”
I’m guessing that was the cause of his hit and run accident. And yeah, that’ll be a legitimate excuse for a hit and run.
Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day. From when you wake up and get a drink of water, to when you eat lunch, to when you get into your car, from the particles you breathe in that your mattress is made of.
What Nathan is getting at is very simple. Gov’t regulations protect us daily, true enough (they also do enormous amounts of damage, BTW), but that’s not the point.
Nathan is simply pointing out a basic truth, summed up in a simple statement: “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
The police do not protect individuals. They cannot, even if they wanted to, and they have no legal obligation to do so. I respect what they do, but let’s face it: they clean up afterwards.
In the few seconds which matter, when survival for you or your loved ones may be on the line, the police will not be there. You are on your own. That’s just a fact of life.
All Nathan is saying (and yes, he is overbearing on this point) is that if one is not prepared to defend him/herself in those moments, there is likely no one else to do so.
And Nathan’s sarcasm is lost on the moonbats here. Gosh - this was a no-guns zone? and people were shot there? HOW can that be? (that’s sarcasm, folks). If anything, we should not be surprised; recent history tells us that these kinds of mass shootings are MORE likely in “gun-free” zones, not less.
Anyone commented on the 4 female suicide bombers in Iraq, took out 50 shiites and 250 wounded. Sounds like ‘the surge is working’, we’ve run the al quida sympathizers out!
That story out of Tennessee is why I don’t think the Eagle editors will ever call another meetup.
They are afraid one of the con posters here will show up and start blasting away.
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JR -
The only one here threatening harm is you; you do so, or imply same, regularly. You’ve made your hate a part of your life; it’s what get’s you up in the morning, I suspect.
The agenda of the Obama’s Legislation sponsoring the Global Poverty/Millennium Act:
Obama`s Global Poverty Act includes the United Nations Millennium Declaration?
The United Nations` Millennium Declaration commits to banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment) and ratifying a series of treaties such as International Criminal Court and Kioto Protocol (Global warming). Cliff Kincaid reports that Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.`s Millennium Project, confirms a United Nations plan to force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas, this doesn`t include private donations from U.S. citizens
* Banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment)
* Ratifying the treaty International Criminal Court
* Ratifying the treaty Kyoto Protocol (Global warming).
* Force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas
Wake up people!
This is the real agenda of the Millennium Declaration. It is to act as a World Governing and Tax agency.
Obama’s legislation would give the money and the power over to signatories of the Millennium Act to punish any member stations not complying with excessive fine, taking them to International court and seizing funds and assets internationally.
Want to give up your guns and then be subject to U.N. rules and taxes in one motion? Then do nothing and let Obama’s legislation pass which will require the POTUS to make a plan to be complicit with U.N. desires and whims.
In case of a few wild eye liberals don’ believe me and want to see the text of the Millenium Act, here it is.
The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid’s column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
Just heard something this weekend…granted it’s a little crazy…heh.
What if the oil companies “found” a huge oil reserve in the North that dwarfs all of the Middle East’s? It’d bring oil down to $50 a barrel and maybe that would be a way to decimate Iran and the entire region eh?
“Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals.”
P_Mom, have you not ever talked to anyone who had an abortion? Well, I have. You would be surprised how many of them are the ones you see at the protests holding up signs against abortions. I have also went to Life Chain where women from the pregnancy care centers have come and told us what they went through after an abortion. They say they also believed they weren’t doing anything wrong but after the abortion, they felt so bad. There was no way for them to deny the guilt they felt. And then there have been some that have had physical problems too. If you really want to hear there side, you should go talk to them sometime. I actually stood next to someone from our church. We were both holding up signs together when she told me that she had an abortion once too.
As for Tiller, he had had many late term abortions. And he has also killed the babies after they were born. Why would you want to support him? Why would you want to support killing babies?
P_Mom stated:
“Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day.”
P_Mom if you really believe that then where are they when innocent women are being raped or when some maniac decides to shoot up kids at a school or people at work or even in a church?
There is no way for the government to protect us. But if we allow them enough latitude, then they can control us, at least until a revolution occurs. Right now we are quickly heading to allowing them to control us if we keep believing there lies that they are in it for our protection. Don’t believe it for a minute.
“Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.” I am often wrong. Maybe I interpreted this incorrectly. He is maybe making a joke about the deaths? Using the deaths to make a sarcastic point about no gun signs… ???
It is hard to know what that post means… I know English pretty well. Abnormal psychology.. not so much
When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail, I guess… A pistol in every pew is the way to go, I am sure.
GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.
Are you telling me that you would refuse…lets just say a woman calls the police…says she was held at gunpoint…the police take the gun from that individual becuase they ‘think’ he didn’t mean any harm…and then lets just say..that man goes back to the woman and kills her….
that they aren’t going to be held liable for her death?
I guess that would be a law that I’d be willing to try to get changed.
The fact is..they didn’t need guns to subdue this guy. But what if the police had just came and said..eh we don’t think he’ll be a threat anymore.
The government’s job is to keep us safe and for the most part they do a better job than say..Mexico does in protecting their citizens.
By the way.. about the U.N. “making small arms illegal”? Another lie.
“To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons.”
“The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
So the Republican Representatives votes “yes” on a bill that they knew nothing about.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo-kay.
So what you are saying is ALL Republican Representatives are dishonest and incompetent.
“GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.”
In Wichita 75 or 80 full time police officers are for traffic control only. That same ‘officer friendly’ that pulls you over with his radar gun doesn’t respond to 911 calls. If there is an armed robbery going down two blocks away he keeps on giving out traffic tickets.
What part of the Senate bill and Obama’s amendments to the house bill that “requires” the President to adhere to the 35 year old U.N. charter that will cost 845 billion dollars.
As a Senator, Obama cannot amended a House bill - any differences between a House and Senate bills have to be negotiated between the two bodies and approved by the respective branches.
Further……………..
“House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
You contradicted yourself.
So they House Republicans were either lazy, incompetent, stupid or they thought the bill was a good idea.
And, since we are on the topic, what about the REPUBLICAN co-sponsors of the Bill?
Are they lazy, incompetent, stupid or do THEY think the bill is a good idea?
Goodling regularly asked candidates for career jobs: “What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?” the report said.
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Are attorneys in the Justice department supposed to serve a king, viz. George W. Bush, or the public - tax paying citizens?
I wonder if Gooling’s immunity deal will protect her from all of her unlawful actions?
For Hank, the science lover; more irrefutable evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution
ScienceDaily (July 27, 2008) — Bacteria living on opposite sides of a canyon have evolved to cope with different temperatures by altering the make-up of their ’skin’, or cell membranes. Scientists have found that bacteria change these complex and important structures to adapt to different temperatures by looking at the appearance of the bacteria as well as their genes. The researchers hope
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Good morning Wichita: This is the last week of July 2008. August 1st is on Friday. So make the best of these last days of July … summer is going by quickly.
Governator vetoes climate change curriculum
California public students will stick to reading, writing and arithmetic, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger decided as he vetoed a bill late Friday that would have required climate change be added to schools’ curriculum. The measure, sponsored by state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, also would have required future science textbooks to include climate change as a subject.In January, the state Senate approved the bill, SB 908, by a 26-13 vote. Only two Republicans supported the proposal.
In his veto statement, Schwarzenegger said he supported education that spotlights the dangers of climate change. However, the Republican governor said he was opposed to educational mandates from Sacramento. “I continue to believe that the state should refrain from being overly prescriptive in specific school curriculum, beyond establishing rigorous academic standards,” he said.
Schwarzenegger added that the state’s Integrated Waste Management Board’s Office of Education and Environment, along with California’s Environmental Protection Agency, are creating an environmental curriculum for K-12 students that includes climate change issues.
Simitian had said his bill wouldn’t dictate what to teach; rather, it would require the state Board of Education and state Department of Education to decide how the topic would be covered and which grades would study it. While global warming is included in high school classes as it pertains to weather, the subject is not required to be covered in all textbooks, according to the California Science Teachers Association.
I agree with the veto, but not for the reason I’m sure is the reason old man price posted.
There should be no mandate, one way or another, coming from the legislature. Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. Deniers may not like it, but our youth WILL be taught the facts about global climate change. The proven fact is that man is contributing to the warming of the planet through our dependence on energy sources that release greenhouse gases, primarily CO2.
I doubt the old man can handle this viewpoint and I await the rebuttal.
For science fans like Hank, here’s yet another piece of evidence that, once again, proves the scientific fact of evolution.
by Ed Yong
Imagine watching a movie where every now and then, key frames have been cut out. The film seems stilted and disjointed and you have to rely on logic to fill in the gaps in the plots. Evolutionary biologists face a similar obstacle when trying to piece together how living species arose from their common ancestors. It’s like watching a film with a minimum of footage; the species alive today are just a few frames at the very end, and the fossil record represents a smattering of moments throughout the film’s length.
Heteronectes_head.jpgBut the gaps, while plentiful, are being slowly filled in. With amazing regularity, new fossils are being unearthed that bridge the gap between existing specimens. These “transitional fossils” are always greeted with great relish for their intermediate nature provides yet more examples of gradual evolution from one form to another. They act as handy visual aids for explaining the story of evolution to those with a dearth of imagination.
Now, Matt Friedman from the University of Chicago has described a new transitional fossil that is one of the most dramatic yet. Its name is Heteronectes (meaning “different swimmer”) and it’s a flatfish, but not as you know it.
More at:
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/07/missing_link_flatfish_has_eye_thats_moved_halfway_across_its.php
Scientist discover gravity well, possible explanation for Climate Change
A huge vortex located precisely in the center of the Bermuda Triangle was discovered to send instrumentation wildly out of control. It wasn’t until a NASA satellite passed over the area with infrared and magnetic variance technologies that thermals and giant wind vortexes could have a huge affect on global climate.
Dr. Ima Sukemblau stated that teams of climatologists are rushing to area to study the phenomena. She also stated that the phenomena which they have nicked name the ‘tub ring’ will be quite difficult to measure because of its immense side.
http://forensic.fairweather.phenomena.org
immense side = immense size
(chortles)
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
HLP
Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
Darwinian scientists are so desperate to find them that most turn out to be fakes. There is a whole cottage industry that has developed to ‘find’ transition fossils.
When a new one is found, great hoopla happens. Books are written. New theories are developed. Then when the ’scientist’ are found out to at best be fools and at worst frauds the scientific community merely says “oh, never mind” and anxiously lock steps off to its next great ‘discovery’!
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This post makes you look more asinine than usual old man.
Your opinion that a transition fossil is “rare” is not in any way “proof” of creation.
Leave it to a voodoo/creationist to use the old “I don’t acknowledge your data, so my mindset is obviously correct” ploy!
OBAMA PLAGIARIZES CUBAN COMMUNIST IDEAS
The nature of the term ‘plagiarism’ denotes the practice of passing off as one’s own the ideas of someone else.
This being the case, Barack Obama has plagiarized the ideas of Cuban Communist Fidel Castro.
Two weeks ago the Illinois junior Senator and presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee rolled out his plan to implement a massive ‘civilian security force’ that would rival the U.S. military in scope, power, and authority.
Political observers in both Parties were taken aback by the proposal. But the concept is not new, nor is it original with Barack Obama.
A major political figure from the past made a similar proposal right here in our own hemisphere. One of the keys to the implementation of Cuban Communist totalitarianism under the Castro regime was the concept that each individual civilian would see himself/herself as a comrade in the massive ‘army of the people’ that would insure the success of the revolution in changing Cuban society from top to bottom.
Not only that, but civilians would be required to provide service in this massive security force, just as they are always forced to do in totalitarian regimes from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot.
And now here comes Barack Obama with the very same idea.
The thing that makes this proposal so frightening at this particular time is that there is already a move afoot in the Democrat-controlled Congress to implement the so-called ‘National Service Act’ that would require all citizens of a certain age to engage in service to the government.
When it was first suggested that Barack Obama finds some close kinship with the likes of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Fidel Castro, many charged that the notion was ‘over the top.’ Perhaps now the notion that Obama plans to unleash Marxist ideology on America is not so far-fetched.
At the very least, Obama needs to come clean with the American people about where he got the concept of the ‘civilian security force.’ America needs to know that Fidel Castro is one of Obama’s ideological mentors.
http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-plagiarizes-cuban-communist-ideas.html
Totalitarianism anyone?
“Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. ”
teehee.
It’s always good to start the day with a good chuckle.
……………..it’s obviious you are just another science denier heckler.
How old is the Earth heckler?
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Anti-science
Anti-science, in modern terms, refers to largely ideological attacks on the teaching of evolutionary theory and other sciences in schools, and their use in the world at large. This is particularly true when it comes into conflict with conservative or religious positions. Common targets include evolution[1], global warming and various sorts of medicine, although other sciences that may conflict with right-wing ideology are often targeted as well.
The anti-science position generally holds that in cases where science and ideology come into conflict, science itself must be flawed. This position is normally couched in reassuring code phrases, such as Intelligent Design. This leads to numerous attempts to discredit scientific methodology, the scientists themselves, and the very foundations of science itself. These attempts often involve misrepresentation[2], obfuscation[3] and outright denial.
This modern usage of the term should not be confused with the anti-science movement in the 1960’s and 1970’s, which was largely concerned with the possible dehumanizing aspects of uncontrolled scientific and technological advancement. While this skepticism of unchecked change meets the classic dictionary definition of conservative, it falls far short of the anti-intellectual thrust of modern political conservatism.
The term can also be used for policy decisions which, for political reasons, ignore the advice of scientists paid to inform such policy. In the Bush administration, politically appointed administrators of the Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies have made decisions in conflict with the recommendations of agency scientists. In addition, wording and conclusions in scientific reports have been changed to support corporate interests
Apophis
Science denier? Me? On what do you base this?
‘Blood oil’ dripping from Nigeria
Under cover of night dozens of barges queue up to dock at a jetty in a creek somewhere in Nigeria’s oil-rich Niger Delta.
Their holds are filled with stolen oil running from valves illegally installed into a pipeline.
Full, they chug downstream to meet around 10 larger ships near the oil export terminal in Bonny, Rivers State, where they disgorge their cargo.
By 0500, in the darkness before dawn, the ships uncouple from the barges and move out in a convoy to sea to rendezvous with a tanker which will spirit away the stolen oil, making it disappear into another cargo, bound for sale on the world market.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7519302.stm
Heckler
Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink
“Besides, global climate change (global warming) is already readily accepted as real and proven science. ”
teehee.
It’s always good to start the day with a good chuckle.
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I rest my case.
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Very good post annie_moose!
Apo
I posted this Saturday hoping for your thoughts. You disappeared. Care to take a shot at it today?
(“The Knutson study follows one published by prominent global warming alarmist Kerry Emanuel and two other scientists.
The Emanuel study, published in the March 2008 issue of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, concluded, “A new technique for deriving hurricane climatologies from global data, applied to climate models, indicates that global warming should reduce the global frequency of hurricanes, though their intensity may increase in some locations.”
The study comes as a tremendous concession from Emanuel, who has long stoked media fears of global warming causing more hurricanes.”
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“The Emanuel study directly contradicts sensationalist media assertions of global warming being responsible for recent hurricane activity. Assuming the computer models are correct, Emanuel reported, “the greater part of the large increase in power dissipation over the past 27 [years] cannot be ascribed to global warming.” ”
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” “When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23558
There’s going to be a lot of alarmists going on weight loss programs in coming years from eating all of their own overblown words.)
Which is it Apo, Global Climate Change or Global Warming? More hurricanes, or less, more ice or less?
You’re the one denying science Apo. Anything that doesnt fit your ideologically driven devotion to Global Warming is denied.
I’m looking at a lot of science that says you and yours are full of pu11shlt.
Search site aims to rival Google
Former workers at the web giant Google have launched a rival search engine.
Cuil, pronounced “cool”, says it uses more than 120 billion webpages to build up its index of the information it finds on the web.
It claims this is more than Google uses though the search giant has stopped reporting how much it indexes. Without revealing numbers Google claimed its index was still bigger.
Cuil claims that its technology moves away from the methods that have driven Google’s success.
Instead of just looking at the number and quality of links to and from a webpage as Google’s technology does, Cuil attempts to understand more about the information on a page and the terms people use to search. Results are displayed in a magazine format rather than a list.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7528503.stm
Apo
Need I point you to all of the physicists who say that CO2 is not capable of doing what your models say it can do?
Need I point you to all the science that supports the theory that the earths temperature is most driven by cosmic radiation?
I’m looking at ALL the science Apo, you are the one denying science.
…………….I think what is occurring would best be described as “Global Climate Change”. Though parts of the planet are definately warming; a disruption of the thermo-haline system in the oceans could actually cause cooling in some areas. The entire process and its implications is too important to be ignored.
You may be “looking at science”, but you obviously don’t understand what you are reading. It is you and your misguided buddies who frame your understanding of science based on ideology. If your reichwing masters don’t buy into it, you’re against it.
As for your assertion that I disapeared on Saturday, well I do have a life aside from this blog. I’m out of here for the day.
100 days to go: The presidential race’s red-letter days
WASHINGTON — The longest presidential election season in American history is about to enter its final stretch.
Count ‘em: 100 days to go.
In the time before Nov. 4, running mates will be chosen and platform skirmishes fought, economic reports released and as many as one-third of votes cast early by absentee ballot and at registrars’ offices. Will more U.S. troops be pulled out of Iraq? Could a so-called October surprise be sprung, by calculation or catastrophe, that reshapes the campaign’s close?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-100days_N.htm
Scroll to the last item at the link and find:
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• The Los Angeles Times — Political rookie in Kansas uses online comic strip to raise money: Democrat Sean Tevis was told he’d need to raise at least $26,000 to be able to compete for a seat in the Kansas state legislature against the Republican incumbent he wanted to challenge. The 39-year-old political novice created an online comic strip about his effort and this week will report he’s raised more than $95,000.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-100days_N.htm
Other science news:
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Glaxo’s Stem-Cell Bet
It may be the biggest news nobody really noticed. One of the world’s largest drug companies is paying directly for research on embryonic stem cells.
GlaxoSmithKline (nyse: GSK - news - people ) plunked down $25 million July 24 for a five-year collaboration with the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. Both Glaxo and Harvard will contribute intellectual property, and they’ll divvy up any discoveries based on who delivered what.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2008/07/26/glaxosmithkline-stem-cell-biz-pharma-cx_mh_0728stemcell.html
Fiscal responsibility - GOP style:
Record 2008 deficit - Bush official
A budget deficit headed to $490 billion, as revealed by top Bush administration official, would easily overtake 2004 record
WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior Bush administration official says the budget deficit for this year will set a record in dollar terms, approaching $490 billion.
The official said Monday the deficit was being driven to record levels by the sagging economy and the stimulus payments being made to 130 million households in an effort to keep the country from falling into a deep recession.
A deficit approaching $490 billion would easily surpass the current record deficit of $413 billion set in 2004.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the new deficit estimate had not been formally released. Bush administration officials were scheduled to do that at a news conference later Monday.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/28/news/economy/budget_record.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008072809
Apo
What proof is there that CO2 created by humans is making the earth warm? None.
Is there a lot of valid scientific work going into it? Of course. Ice core studies, all the studies on deterimining temperaturs going back 100,000 yrs, and so on.
But the Godfathers of AGW are ideologically driven. Remember before it was AGW it was Global cooling driven by man made particulates in the atmosphere. They coulnt prove that and found that global temperatures were actually rising slightly.
Change gears fast. And AGW was born.
Not of science but of an idealogical goal to reign in human activity. Cut human use of natural resources.
Apo you need to read some of the books that the Godfathers wrote back in the seventies.
The only “proof” of AGW is the computer models. And they keep changing, and changing, and failing to predict short term results.
I leave you with this from the linked article-
When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
8th hottest summer indeed.
Global cooling: Anchorage could hit 65 degrees for fewest days on record
George Bryson
Anchorage Daily News
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:47 EDT
The coldest summer ever? You might be looking at it, weather folks say.
Right now the so-called summer of ‘08 is on pace to produce the fewest days ever recorded in which the temperature in Anchorage managed to reach 65 degrees.
That unhappy record was set in 1970, when we only made it to the 65-degree mark, which many Alaskans consider a nice temperature, 16 days out of 365.
This year, however — with the summer more than half over — there have been only seven 65-degree days so far. And that’s with just a month of potential “balmy” days remaining and the forecast looking gloomy.
National Weather Service meteorologist Sam Albanese, a storm warning coordinator for Alaska, says the outlook is for Anchorage to remain cool and cloudy through the rest of July.
“There’s no real warm feature moving in,” Albanese said. “And that’s just been the pattern we’ve been stuck in for a couple weeks now.”
In the Matanuska Valley on Wednesday snow dusted the Chugach. On the Kenai Peninsula, rain was raising Six-Mile River to flood levels and rafting trips had to be canceled.
So if the cold and drizzle are going to continue anyway, why not shoot for a record? The mark is well within reach, Albanese said:
“It’s probably going to go down as the summer with the least number of 65-degree days.”
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/162907-Global-cooling-Anchorage-could-hit-65-degrees-for-fewest-days-on-record
Why hasn’t the global temp average risen since 1998?
Why do we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than the last 800,000 years, but we aren’t anywhere near the warmest over the same time period?
Why did the IPCC put so many lies in its draft report that ‘anyone who requests a copy; reviewers spotted? Why was it not peer reviewed before release to ‘anyone who requests a copy?’
Why has no computer model, ever accurately predicted climate change?
Linda,
This is a better link for Ron Paul/most libertarians on the issues.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
This week, an event of titanic import has occurred in the music world. U2 has re-released its first three LPs on enhanced CD: Boy (1980), October (1981) and War (1983) will now be gracing our senses - re-mastered, improved and profound.
I first heard U2 in January of 1982. I had moved to Los Angeles that winter, and immediately set my radio to KROQ, Southern Cal’s seminal alt-rock station. Shimmering, stunning sounds exuded from that station: Romeo Void, The Cure, The Stranglers, The Go-Go’s, quirky s–t one would never hear on Top 40 sterility, and so on.
One cataclysmic evening, I heard a gorgeous track titled “Rejoice” from the then-little-known Irish band’s second LP, October.
And the world trembled on its own axis.
The opening riff set the transcendent tone: As my musician brother would later declare, it sounded like The Edge was playing two notes at once. Like a hosanna from the highest of heavens, this track entranced my senses and compelled me to rush right on over to Tower Records on Sunset Boulevard, where I promptly purchased this LP.
And the rest of the LP was riveting, too. The next year, I purchased U2’s first LP (Boy), and it was darned good as well. U2 is spiritual without being religionistic; they were youthful idealists without bombast; they were boys on a mission.
And the soargasm that occurred in this music afficionada’s auditory cavities remains unforgettable(’cause my soul soared to the stratosphere and beyond).
“October” was singular because of this fact: The master tapes had been stolen back in 1981, and the sound quality wasn’t ooh-la-la. So when its songs stirred the senses - even without technological brilliance - you know you’re talking musical might.
And now the band has altruistically re-released that m—erf—er, and I can’t wait to buy it.
I’m slightly less enamored of the band’s later efforts; in my opinion, nothing compares to “Boy” and “October.” And now, with the chance to hear that second LP in its restored glory, oh-h-h-h…
Can anything be better than this?
I don’t know; I’m not an authority on sensual pleasure. But when it comes to music, I know what I like and I know what I want and I know why I want it.
Rejoice, rejoice. I shall rejoice.
Indeed.
Sol, the page your link took me to was one that stamped out any desire to learn more about this political movement.
In fact, I just went back there (to close the tab!) and discovered there are actually OTHER ISSUES than the one at the TOP of the page, but what I read first told me everything I want to know about Ron Paul.
Being pro life AND supporting the federal government stay out of the issue and leave it up to the states turned you off of Dr. Paul? Do you think the federal gov’t should be making decisions like that?
While I have become totally disenchanted with our president, I must mention the deficit that is being blamed solely on him. The Congress (with its Democratic majority) is where the budget comes from. The president proposes it, but the congress must pass it. Bush tried to veto some horrendous spending pork packages, and got his veto overriden.
Let’s place the blame where it actually belongs, the president AND our do nothing overspending Congress. None of them are fiscally responsible and none of them should ever be returned to DC.
That Congress voted the first increase in the minimum wage in a very long time.
Consider how THAT has helped the working poor in the bush economy.
Why is CNN choosing, openly, to suppress this information?
Obama’s note to God
Israeli paper releases text of message left at Western Wall
http://thechronicleherald.ca/World/1069756.html
I would understand if the kid who stole the note came to them with an “exclusive scoop”–that’s just tacky.
But’s it’s already been published. It’s out there. And terribly innocuous as well.
Who is CNN kowtowing to?
Vote for Phill KKKline in the JOCO primary! Please!
Because it is the right thing to do Rage. They’re holding to the Jewish tradition. I’m offended at any group that chooses to report what he said.
Oh yes… Global Warming.
Lets forget about the “problem” for a minute and look at the so called solutions.
All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.
What problems do you have with invention, innovation and conservation there Nathan?
The ‘civilian security force’ being wildly misrepresented refers to the combined efforts of Americans working in currently existing programs, like the Peace Corps, Americorps, the State Department’s diplomatic services.
Being a better America make us more secure, is the point.
Don’t start looking for the Black Helicopters anytime soon. The right-wing extremist bloggers are making this up to frighten you.
Because it is the right thing to do Rage. They’re holding to the Jewish tradition. I’m offended at any group that chooses to report what he said.
In that case, they should have passed on the story in the first place (it’s not like it was of great importance).
It’s a wink-wink nudge-nudge approach that is only symbolic pretense.
Another Con runs amuck!
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Authorities on Monday said the man charged with murder in a Tennessee church shooting left a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals, and his expectation that he would be killed by responding police.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the Sunday shooting at a Knoxville, Tenn., Unitarian church that left two people dead and five injured.
eft a four-page letter that detailed his frustration at being unemployed, his hatred of gays and liberals,
Sigh, ah yes, convenient scapegoats.
While I believe in holding people responsible for their own actions, the Limbaughs, Coulters and Hannitys of America share some responsibility for such needless tragedies.
Sol, it’s a federal law because we are a “united” states of America. Yes, there is much that should be left to states and there are laws that must be from the federal level to keep us from becoming like the north and south of civil war times. Sol, the federal government already made decisions like that! I would have preferred it be none of any level of government’s business, but shoving those responsibilities to the state level isn’t any better.
a woman, her doctor and her god
I respect your right to believe differently and would expect the decision you would make on the subject would be different from the decision another would make after consulting with her doctor and her god.
ANOTHER ATHEIST RUNS AMOK
Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
“The man accused of a mass church shooting this morning was described by his Powell neighbors as a helpful and kind man, but one who had issues with Christianity.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, which killed one and injured eight others.
He is being held on $1 million bond.
“He had his own sense of belief about religion, that’s the impression I got of him,” said neighbor Karen Massey. “We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.
“He seemed to get angry at that.”
According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who “made him go to church all his life … he was forced to do that.”
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
How does my support for wind, solar, nuclear prove that my science is a fraud? How does my support for finding ways to sequester carbon prove my science a fraud? How does my support for energy conservation/efficiency prove my science a fraud?
DavidB —- I AGREE with you on your assessment of that issue as just more fear mongering…. TOTAL fear mongering… Let’s face it, in addition to the programs you mentioned, there is also the TSA, which is a non-military security force already working at every airport in the country!! And that is also in line with what Obama is proposing… Lets stop this one BEFORE it gets into the Reichwing talking points….
Now, I wait for the “Right” to wake up.
Kudo’s to the Daily Kos!
In another expected finding:
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Gonzales aides politicized hirings, investigators find
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/justice.politics/
Whatever…
This Globalist scum, Obama’s “civilian security force”, will introduce us to a bunch of lumbering, rent-a-cop’s with petty powertrips, but only they will have power. This program will be funded equal to the military. And how do you expect that to be paid for? By ticketing you for jay-walking and equally rediculous crap. This Obama naivete will surely destroy us, much like McCain.
Talking points?
Are you serious?
Our freedom determined by someone’s 3 minute sound bite?
This sh.it is for real and your little left/right paradigm crap is not.
“All you have to do to see what a fraud AGW is, is to look at the solutions the proponents of it are proposing.”
Ben, it’s really pretty simple. There are two groups that tend to characterize the AGW debate.
(1) Our heroic oilman president,ditto VP, Republican pols, the heroic oil producers (OPEC, Texas wildcatters, etc), the heroic multinational oil companies, and the other energy industry groups that control think tanks like the Federalist Society and the Cato Institute, all of whom are fighting to provide us with energy we need within the noble free market.
(2) The evil cabal of conspirators: the IPCC, climate scientists, amateur enviromentalists, Luddites, or other wackos, who have a diabolical plan to upend our economy, and enslave us in cold dark homes, where we can never go anywhere, do anything, eat anything tasty or have any fun.
The Environmental Cabal’s motivation is transparent: they want to pervert any notion of real science (and have bought off the vast majority of climate scientists to that end), so they pursue wildly profitable initiatives in solar, wind, and another other renewable sources of energy. It’s soooo obvious that they hold all the power! It’s part of the Globalist Conspiracy: Everyone knows the WTO, the G-8, all the major players in the Western world, are firmly in the pocket of Big Green.
Silly people might point instead to the influence of mean ol’ oil companies on governments worldwide, and their record profits, or their millions spent on lobbyist, or their bought-and-paid-for White House, etc. And so on. Or the dispensing or even basic safety and environmental standards by the promoters of unrestrained globalism.
All that, of course, is ridiculous.
Damn conspiracy freaks.
Outlander, the news today is reporting that he hated liberals. Which is why he chose a liberal church.
Isn’t it interesing that the bigwigs always get those underneath them to take the fall for them. Loyalty till you go to jail. Sad.
Sol, Nobody likes Ron Paul, he’s wrong on many issues.
P_Mom,
Such as…
And by the way, Outie, there was nothing in that summary that indicated he was an atheist.
And it’s pretty damn weird that you think that atheist is somehow the opposite of conservative. It’s fact, all that’s required to be a atheist is disbelief in the little man in the sky.
http://www.compleatheretic.com/links/godlessright.html
HLP
Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
LOL!
Another ‘transition fossil’! Transition fossils are so very rare that their absence is more proof of creation than evolution.
*****
It is difficult to even try to seriously interact with people who wear their ignorance as a badge of honor.
Check out this source for those interested in the “debate”:
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GR2122.aspx
Though I will have to confess I wonder about the parents who would name their daugther - “Eugenie” - I think they may have wanted a boy and “nerdie” one at that.
Sol, Nobody likes Ron Paul, he’s wrong on many issues.
I wouldn’t go that far, pmom. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, and thus embodies all the good, bad and ugly you find in such folks.
Linda,
Yes we are a ‘United’ States. The federal government was never meant to have the control that they do today.
How many M.D.’s that have delivered 4000+ babies are pro-choice? Even as such, Dr. Paul believes that this should be a State’s issue. The federal government has far too much power as it is.
And to decide to dismiss a candidate over one issue is shallow. Do you by proxy then agree with Obama 100% on 100% issues? You bailed on Dr. Paul after just one. How many of Obama’s are you willing to live with?
He wants deregulation of everything. the guy is a quack and only believes in people doing the right thing…unless it comes to abortion..then hell no we can’t have people making their own decisions on that.
That’s what so damn nutty about the libertarian movement. They believe that people will just do the right thing without regulation..unless it is something they don’t believe in then there of course has to be regulation.
Tell me…if say under the no regulations guy, who would be making sure that my doctor was not performing abortions on me?
“And by the way, Outie, there was nothing in that summary that indicated he was an atheist.”
Rage? Did I post; “That’s not fair”? Good grief. For a semi-smart person you sure can post imperceptive dumb things.
Sigh.
The Tennissee gunman was on food stamps and unemployed and said he couldn’t find a job.
Wait, isn’t it liberal policies for foodstamps…and don’t conservatives believe that any job is a good job? You’re telling me the guy couldn’t have worked as a walmart greeter for 6 bucks an hour?
Hey Outlander, what will you do when you make 7 dollars an hour and lose everything?
PMama — You would be amazed at WalMart’s application for employment… most interesting document…
As I understand it, nothing is known about the Tenessee gunman’s religious beliefs… only that he was ANTI-Liberal….
Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.
Or perhaps if the church had been declard a “no gun” zone by the government, just like schools, this man wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside.
He wants deregulation of everything
Examples?
the guy is a quack
Says a lot more about you than the Dr.
hen hell no we can’t have people making their own decisions on that.
Displays that you are ill-informed on the topic.
They believe that people will just do the right thing without regulation
So you feel that you need the government to tell you what is right and wrong?
And look, they managed to take the guy down without a gun too. And only two died.
Even in the Colorado church shooting, the gunman killed more people before being shot by their on alert-prepared security.
Hey Outlander, what will you do when you make 7 dollars an hour and lose everything?
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I dunno PMom. Let’s hope that never happens. But maybe you could tell me what it’s like?
Tennessee.
And Ron Paul was/is and OB/GYN. He is personally not for abortions. He’s delivered over 4K babies and has stated that he’s never seen a reason to perform an abortion to save a mothers’ life. His philosophy is that if he can be sued for malpractice if anything happens to the baby/embryo…whatever, then it musu be a BABY. Change the laws so that a doctor can’t be sued for anything before the baby is born, then bring up his abortion stance.
The gunman got his gun into the church in a guitar case… A shotgun even… Since it was a UUA congregation, it might well have had a No Gun sign on its doors…
See this web site for more information >>>>
http://www.uua.org
Rage? Did I post; “That’s not fair”? Good grief. For a semi-smart person you sure can post imperceptive dumb things.
Sigh.
This is actually what you said:
Actually, that’s not fair. It was a sick individual. But it is as fair as Grateful_Dave’s characterization.
The analogy only holds if there’s some reason to believe the guy might be an atheist. There wasn’t: He could have been an atheist, and anger with Christianity is the bread-and-butter of disillusioned theists everywhere.
But point taken: not all conservatives subscribe the mouth-foaming hatred of O’Reilly and the like.
I expect the government to protect me…from those who wish to do me harm.
Whether that be an employer, a bank, a food grower or a terrorist in an airplane. Or someone who tells me that I cannot make my own healthcare decisions.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be. that’s why I have a doctor. Like I said clearly –
a woman, her doctor, her god
NOT the business of government at any level!
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him when I went to the link you provided. It showed me everything I wanted to know about him, and turned me off looking further.
And I stated quite clearly that I respect your right to make a decision different than one made by another person.
Huh?
They might have had a “no gun” sign on the door?
I don’t believe it. There is no way someone would take a gun into a place with a “no gun” sign. It is against the law in most places and the sign should obviously stop someone.
So, I simply don’t believe they had a sign.
It is simple. If they had a sign, the man obviously wouldn’t have been able to get his gun inside. It makes perfect logical sense.
Political_mama,
You mean the volunteer security woman who had her concealed carry permit?
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government, all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms, until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
I don’t want any level of government deciding what any of my health decisions should or shouldn’t be.
Then you better haul a$$ away from Obama.
No, it wasn’t ONE issue, it was that this issue was clearly THE ONE to him
The issues are alphabetical. This is not his site. He does not sponsor it. He did not make the entries. Abortion is the first issue alphabetically. If you had gotten past your knee jerk abortion hic-up you would see what his ONE ISSUE is. The economy. Dr. Paul can pay for every one of his policies. He can do that because 90% of his policies cut spending and taxation.
But I can see you have your abortion/Obama blinders on.
I used to have GOP blinders. I was brave enough to take them off. They’ll never go on again.
On the issue of evolution & creation - both use science to back up their claims. Science is not the belief but a tool by which one uses to prove theories.
As for me, I believe in creation by God. As Blaise Pascal quoted in his eqution: If I believe in God and when I die, I find there is no God then I LOSE NOTHING but if I am right then I GAIN EVERYTHING. But if you believe there is no God and when you die, you find you were right then you GAIN NOTHING but if I am right then you LOSE EVERYTHING.
Science is not the belief, evolution and creation are the beliefs. What it comes down to is that no man or woman can be forced to believe in God. That responsibility lies with each one of us.
BTW, that is the difference between Christianity(true Christianity) and other religions. A Christian knows it isn’t his responsibility to win over souls for God. We are to share what God has done for us and at that point it is between that person and God.
The thing that bothers me about Libertarians is that they genuinely believe themselves to be revolutionaries, saving us from an overreaching oppressive government,
True enough. The constitution. How revolutionary.
all whilst removing challenges to or restraints on all the moneyed interests that control the government in the first place.
Those eeeevil rich. Rage, how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man?
Libertarian policies would defend most of our personal freedoms,
True dat
until the economic freedom of the multinationals rendered it irrelevant.
How many politicians can you name that are nit bought and paid for?
All I’ve seen from the posters who espouse libertarian viewpoints is broad statements without details, much like they criticize the politicians and supporters of other parties about.
They state goals, like politicians and supporters from every party, with too few details of how to accomplish those goals.
Makes us all pretty much the same, doesn’t it!? We’ve studied, we’ve researched, we’ve informed ourselves and chosen the candidate we think most closely holds the opinions and philosophies we agree with.
lol nit = not
How many politicians can you name that are nit bought and paid for?
Exactly my point, Einstein.
From a soldier in Afghanistan…
As you know I am not a very political person. I
just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to ‘The War Zone’. I > wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof
vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand
he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his
publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for
the American’s back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way
over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from Senator, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just
don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of
person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier
Those eeeevil rich. Rage,
Yet more substance-free invective.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp
Raptor- Tool. took me all of a few seconds to verify that it was a lie.
Ron Paul is the ranking member of the House Committee on Financial Services
This is his economic plan that he unveiled to the committee :
1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.
Congressman Paul has written or co-sponsored numerous bills to enact the policies in his plan. In Congress, he has been a champion of lower taxes and limited government.
Congressman Paul is the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. In Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/ron-paul-unveil.html
Can your candidate say the same? What legislation of Obama’s are you proud of?
Rage,
I can name one, Einstein. Dr. Paul. Review his voting record.
Is the owner of the company you work for rich?
As for the abortion issue - I think abortion makes the women victims twice. If she is getting an abortion because she was raped, she has become a victim twice and the real criminals are getting away with crimes - the rapist for raping a woman and the doctor for murdering her baby. Now she ALONE must bear the guilt of being raped and the guilt of her murdered child.
No matter, how much the liberals say she wasn’t guilty, she feels guilty. It is only natural. And who is there to help her. Not the liberals but the conservatives who have opened up pregnancy centers across America.
As for the man who shot those people in that church in Tennesseee, he was wrong. God will be the judge of those who condone abortion, not us. I feel for those people but I also feel for him. I hope he comes to the realization of what he did and that God will bring someone into his life to help him through it. I also pray that God will bring people to those who lost dear ones in that shooting.
As for Phil Kline, I praise God for supporting him and helping him through all of this. It is so obvious that there are judges who are not interpreting the law but using their biases to stop him from using the records at Tiller’s clinic. The court came to the decision that there were laws being broken at Tiller’s clinic ,which in an y other case, records would have been handed over. But since our corrupt Governor has dirty money on her hands, the judges have so far prevented him from using those records. What an obvious cover up.
Linda,
Dr. Paul has written several books on the economy, its troubles, causes and solutions.
Your candidate has written a book about… himself.
Rage:
1. Libertarian views are nothing revolutionary. Often you hear me speaking of Barry Goldwater. I don’t know if he was a revolutionary. However, his ideas were around long before the Libertarian party took hold.
2. In effect, you are saying that without degrading economic freedom, personal freedom will never be enjoyed. You made this statement by calling the eventual outcome of personal freedoms to be irrelevant. In my view, that yields far to much power to multinationals.
3. The multinationals will never have enough economic power to affect the market unless the average person were so weak minded as to listen to their advertising, and not question it. If the multinationals had enough economic power to provoke law changes that stymied personal freedoms, then they would not be acting within a libertarian environment.
To have regulation you have to pay for regulation- you have to pay for workers to come inspect, for people to file complaints. It is far more effective for us to pay a federal agency than it is for every state to have its own separate group for that.
damn damn damn damn damn. I should know better to check those stupid things first.
My apologies for my stupidity.
I’ve got to go mow the grass — even if it’s still wet — before I get dizzy from the circles we spin.
Dr. Paul doesn’t have enough support, if he did he would have garnered the nomination he sought. Maybe after all those books, and all those years of working in government someone needs to ask why he isn’t taken seriously. What are the roadblocks to support of his ideas?
Is there a person in government who can do something alone?
Are any of us changing someone’s opinions. I didn’t think so. What I know I can do is make the grass shorter with the lawn mower.
Rage:
I don’t think that Economic power is the key to political corruption. Removing the variable of economic power will not remove corruption in politics, merely change the nuance of the corruption.
Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals. There are plenty of women who have had abortions who have known that it was the right thing to do.
Ron Paul has performed abortions, there is no way he’s ever not run into an ectopic pregnancy. And yes, that is an abortion to save a woman’s life.
And has he ever mentioned how many women or babies have died in birth? No of course not…none of which would have happened had they had an abortion.
HOW MANY grand juries have to clear Tiller before you get it through your thick skull that he’s not doing anything illegal or wrong.
Right now I’m praying for Kline to win the republican primary in JOCO. I truly mean that.
I’ll even get out there and distribute campaign letters to the non-profits for him. Heh.
Well I have to hand it to you Raptor…of the boards I’ve been on who have bought that story…you’re the first one who actually apologized for it.
i>Is the owner of the company you work for rich?
That straw-man argument is getting tiresome.
I can name one, Einstein. Dr. Paul. Review his voting record.
LOL! Sigh. . .let me know when you have a spiel that isn’t dismally unthinking and predictable.
And I’m outta here: go find a wall to argue with Sol. You won’t notice the difference.
LLTVET: Caught your post in passing. You’re dead wrong that I’m somehow arguing against economic freedom. Have to leave it at that.
And yeah there is guilt. There is guilt that people impose on themselves all the time. I saw a tv story the other day of a man who brought his grandson to sweep up a jobsite…and he felt guilty because his grandson nearly killed by an accident.
Just because we feel guilty doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve done anything wrong. Irrational guilt just happens. The women who are raped will feel guilt NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO if they end up pregnant from that rape. Most women who take the morning after pills never feel guilty for taking the pills. Unless someone tries to guilt them for it.
You prey on women in this time, yes there are liberals out there available for them. You PREY on them acting to be all concerned when all you really want to do is suck them into your beliefs.
Your groups aren’t support, you’re liars and the worst kind.
You won’t notice the difference.
Between you and the wall, I am betting that the wall is more intelligent.
Political_Mama,
Do you have a government protection agent at your home? Does he follow you around town, to work?
How is it that you expect the government to protect you?
Can we now expect a ‘death bed’ confession from Novak about the bush juanta?
Robert Novak Has Brain Tumor
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By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: July 29, 2008
The columnist Robert Novak has a brain tumor and will stop writing and making television appearances, at least temporarily.
Skip to next paragraph “On Sunday, July 27, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor,” Mr. Novak said in a statement on Monday. “I have been admitted to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, where doctors will soon begin appropriate treatment. I will be suspending my journalistic work for an indefinite but, God willing, not too lengthy period.”
LOL! Chas.. stay off my side! (kidding)
And I can’t wait to hear which radio and TV commentator’s this sick man took his marching orders from…..
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Knoxville’s police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson’s car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a “stated hatred of the liberal movement.”
I’m guessing that was the cause of his hit and run accident. And yeah, that’ll be a legitimate excuse for a hit and run.
Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day. From when you wake up and get a drink of water, to when you eat lunch, to when you get into your car, from the particles you breathe in that your mattress is made of.
“We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
P-mom:
What Nathan is getting at is very simple. Gov’t regulations protect us daily, true enough (they also do enormous amounts of damage, BTW), but that’s not the point.
Nathan is simply pointing out a basic truth, summed up in a simple statement: “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
The police do not protect individuals. They cannot, even if they wanted to, and they have no legal obligation to do so. I respect what they do, but let’s face it: they clean up afterwards.
In the few seconds which matter, when survival for you or your loved ones may be on the line, the police will not be there. You are on your own. That’s just a fact of life.
All Nathan is saying (and yes, he is overbearing on this point) is that if one is not prepared to defend him/herself in those moments, there is likely no one else to do so.
And Nathan’s sarcasm is lost on the moonbats here. Gosh - this was a no-guns zone? and people were shot there? HOW can that be? (that’s sarcasm, folks). If anything, we should not be surprised; recent history tells us that these kinds of mass shootings are MORE likely in “gun-free” zones, not less.
Thank you GMC70.
Probably was a Coulter fan. Couldn’t afford to go to N.Y. and hit the Times, so settled for a liberal congregation.
That story out of Tennessee is why I don’t think the Eagle editors will ever call another meetup.
They are afraid one of the con posters here will show up and start blasting away.
Anyone commented on the 4 female suicide bombers in Iraq, took out 50 shiites and 250 wounded. Sounds like ‘the surge is working’, we’ve run the al quida sympathizers out!
Islam: The religion of piece(s)……BAM!
Cowardly basturds. Ordering their women to kill themselves and their countrymen.
EEO, the women get to be martyrs too. We’re not talking about a western culture.
And Nathaniel blames the dead victims of this crime… shame shame shame. Unbelievable!
From “BlueJay”
That story out of Tennessee is why I don’t think the Eagle editors will ever call another meetup.
They are afraid one of the con posters here will show up and start blasting away.
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JR -
The only one here threatening harm is you; you do so, or imply same, regularly. You’ve made your hate a part of your life; it’s what get’s you up in the morning, I suspect.
It makes you a small, pathetic little man.
Get help, JR. You need it.
The agenda of the Obama’s Legislation sponsoring the Global Poverty/Millennium Act:
Obama`s Global Poverty Act includes the United Nations Millennium Declaration?
The United Nations` Millennium Declaration commits to banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment) and ratifying a series of treaties such as International Criminal Court and Kioto Protocol (Global warming). Cliff Kincaid reports that Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.`s Millennium Project, confirms a United Nations plan to force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas, this doesn`t include private donations from U.S. citizens
* Banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment)
* Ratifying the treaty International Criminal Court
* Ratifying the treaty Kyoto Protocol (Global warming).
* Force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas
Wake up people!
This is the real agenda of the Millennium Declaration. It is to act as a World Governing and Tax agency.
Obama’s legislation would give the money and the power over to signatories of the Millennium Act to punish any member stations not complying with excessive fine, taking them to International court and seizing funds and assets internationally.
Want to give up your guns and then be subject to U.N. rules and taxes in one motion? Then do nothing and let Obama’s legislation pass which will require the POTUS to make a plan to be complicit with U.N. desires and whims.
In case of a few wild eye liberals don’ believe me and want to see the text of the Millenium Act, here it is.
http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.pdf
Also
The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid’s column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
DavidB
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And Nathaniel blames the dead victims of this crime… shame shame shame. Unbelievable!
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DavidB - Where has Nathan done that? I don’t believe he’s done any such thing. Show me otherwise, if you can.
Just heard something this weekend…granted it’s a little crazy…heh.
What if the oil companies “found” a huge oil reserve in the North that dwarfs all of the Middle East’s? It’d bring oil down to $50 a barrel and maybe that would be a way to decimate Iran and the entire region eh?
Let’s hope they find something like that.
Well at least I got to meet GMC.
Hey councilor? Change your nic to short round!
“Why must she feel guilt for being raped OR feel guilt for having an abortion? YOU are the people who try to impose that guilt, not liberals.”
P_Mom, have you not ever talked to anyone who had an abortion? Well, I have. You would be surprised how many of them are the ones you see at the protests holding up signs against abortions. I have also went to Life Chain where women from the pregnancy care centers have come and told us what they went through after an abortion. They say they also believed they weren’t doing anything wrong but after the abortion, they felt so bad. There was no way for them to deny the guilt they felt. And then there have been some that have had physical problems too. If you really want to hear there side, you should go talk to them sometime. I actually stood next to someone from our church. We were both holding up signs together when she told me that she had an abortion once too.
As for Tiller, he had had many late term abortions. And he has also killed the babies after they were born. Why would you want to support him? Why would you want to support killing babies?
P_Mom stated:
“Nathan, the government is protecting you every single second of the day.”
P_Mom if you really believe that then where are they when innocent women are being raped or when some maniac decides to shoot up kids at a school or people at work or even in a church?
There is no way for the government to protect us. But if we allow them enough latitude, then they can control us, at least until a revolution occurs. Right now we are quickly heading to allowing them to control us if we keep believing there lies that they are in it for our protection. Don’t believe it for a minute.
Change your nic to short round!
Oooooooooh! I’m cut to the quick!
Change your nic to “small and pathetic little man” and you’ve got a deal.
If they ever do find any big oil reserves in Indonesia or Northern Russia, the dollar will be muuuch better.
And if frogs grow longer hind legs (which would require evolution… but I digress…) they wouldn’t bump their butts when they hop.
“Just think, if only those Liberals had put a “no gun” sign on their door, this tragedy never would have happened.” I am often wrong. Maybe I interpreted this incorrectly. He is maybe making a joke about the deaths? Using the deaths to make a sarcastic point about no gun signs… ???
It is hard to know what that post means… I know English pretty well. Abnormal psychology.. not so much
When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail, I guess… A pistol in every pew is the way to go, I am sure.
GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.
Are you telling me that you would refuse…lets just say a woman calls the police…says she was held at gunpoint…the police take the gun from that individual becuase they ‘think’ he didn’t mean any harm…and then lets just say..that man goes back to the woman and kills her….
that they aren’t going to be held liable for her death?
I guess that would be a law that I’d be willing to try to get changed.
The fact is..they didn’t need guns to subdue this guy. But what if the police had just came and said..eh we don’t think he’ll be a threat anymore.
The government’s job is to keep us safe and for the most part they do a better job than say..Mexico does in protecting their citizens.
By the way.. about the U.N. “making small arms illegal”? Another lie.
“To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons.”
http://www.acronym.org.uk/un/unmilsum.htm
“The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
So the Republican Representatives votes “yes” on a bill that they knew nothing about.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo-kay.
So what you are saying is ALL Republican Representatives are dishonest and incompetent.
“GMC, the police have no legal obligation to protect, then what the heck are they there for? If they know that the person is a danger, and they have the evidence and they FAIL to act, then they should be held accountable.”
In Wichita 75 or 80 full time police officers are for traffic control only. That same ‘officer friendly’ that pulls you over with his radar gun doesn’t respond to 911 calls. If there is an armed robbery going down two blocks away he keeps on giving out traffic tickets.
Still have a case of the stupidity eh Clark?
What part of the Senate bill and Obama’s amendments to the house bill that “requires” the President to adhere to the 35 year old U.N. charter that will cost 845 billion dollars.
It’s Obama’s amendments that are the problem.
“Obama’s amendments to the house bill”
As a Senator, Obama cannot amended a House bill - any differences between a House and Senate bills have to be negotiated between the two bodies and approved by the respective branches.
Further……………..
“House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.”
You contradicted yourself.
So they House Republicans were either lazy, incompetent, stupid or they thought the bill was a good idea.
And, since we are on the topic, what about the REPUBLICAN co-sponsors of the Bill?
Are they lazy, incompetent, stupid or do THEY think the bill is a good idea?
Hopefully we will get a thread on this tomorrow:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/28/AR2008072801007.html?hpid=topnews
From the article:
Goodling regularly asked candidates for career jobs: “What is it about George W. Bush that makes you want to serve him?” the report said.
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Are attorneys in the Justice department supposed to serve a king, viz. George W. Bush, or the public - tax paying citizens?
I wonder if Gooling’s immunity deal will protect her from all of her unlawful actions?
For Hank, the science lover; more irrefutable evidence supporting the scientific fact of evolution
ScienceDaily (July 27, 2008) — Bacteria living on opposite sides of a canyon have evolved to cope with different temperatures by altering the make-up of their ’skin’, or cell membranes. Scientists have found that bacteria change these complex and important structures to adapt to different temperatures by looking at the appearance of the bacteria as well as their genes. The researchers hope