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by Jeremy Elton Jacquot
In one of the first attempts to attach a dollar figure to the impacts of climate change, researchers from the University of Maryland’s Center for Integrative Environmental Research have tallied up the long-term financial and infrastructural costs 8 states — Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas and Ohio — will incur over the coming years. The costs, which already run in the billions for some, could get even higher if the states don’t take immediate action.
The costs of climate change are being ignored
Not surprisingly, they found that many of these costs were either being significantly discounted or omitted entirely from state budgets, particularly those attributed to the indirect effects of climate change — which can be as substantial, if not more so, than those associated with the direct effects. No region of the country will be spared, they say, and they plan on releasing reports for the other 42 states in the coming months.
Their main conclusions were: no sector of the economy will be spared; all our essential infrastructures, including water and electricity, will be affected; and all ecosystems will suffer in some capacity. The individual state costs are based only on existing climate change impacts, which means they are, or will soon become, much higher in reality.
Here are the reports’ main findings, by state:
Colorado: More than $1 billion in losses due to impacts on tourism, forestry, water resources and human health from a predicted drier, warmer climate.
Georgia: Multi-million dollar losses from predicted higher seas along Georgia’s coast.
Kansas: Losses exceeding $1 billion from impact on agriculture of predicted warmer temperatures and reduced water supply in much of the state.
Illinois: Billions of dollars in losses from impact on shipping, trade and water resources. Warmer temperatures and lower water levels predicted for much of the state.
Michigan: Billions of dollars in losses from damage to the state’s shipping and water resources. Warmer temperatures and lower water levels predicted for much of the state.
Nevada: Billions of dollars in losses from a much drier climate and pressure on scarce water resources. Water limitations could affect tourism, real estate, development and human health. Many western states may confront similar challenges.
New Jersey: Billions of dollars in losses from higher sea levels and the impact on tourism, transportation, real estate and human health.
Ohio: Billions of dollars in losses from warmer temperatures and lower water levels and the resulting impact on shipping and water supplies.
Placing an imperative on fixing our crumbling infrastructure
As I’ve written about before, one of the country’s biggest vulnerabilities, which only Obama has addressed to some extent, is the shoddy state of our national infrastructure. It seems as though the only time we ever focus on the dilapidated state of our bridges, highways and levees is when an accident or major disaster occurs.
Fixing our infrastructure is not only a question of preparing for the future impacts of climate change: It’s a matter of national security and of staying economically competitive in a globalized world. Of course, the other major benefit of repairing, and greening, our infrastructure is that we could generate millions of new, well-paying green collar jobs. Given the current precarious state of our economy, this could not come at a better time.
Whether or not you agree with the reports’ actual findings — number-wise, that is (and, as with all such studies, they are only rough estimates) — what is clear is that we are grossly underprepared to deal with a looming climate crisis and need a thorough overhaul of our environmental and economic policies.
The Grand Exaggerator
What is it with Al Gore? Why is he compelled to exaggerate climate change (excuse me, “the climate crisis”), and then to propose impossible policy responses? It’s like he’s inventing the Internet all over again!
OK, it’s pretty much standard rhetoric in Washington to say that if you don’t do as I say, there will be massive consequences. But to say, as Gore recently did: “The survival of the United States of America as we know it is at risk;” and: “The future of human civilization is at stake” – that’s a bit much, even for the most faded and jaded political junkie.
Here’s how Gore works. He’ll cite one scientific finding that shows what he wants, and then ignore other work that provides important context. Here’s a list of his climate exaggerations from his well-publicized July 17 rant, along with a few sobering facts.
Gore: “Scientists . . . have warned that there is now a 75 percent chance that within five years the entire [North Polar] ice cap will completely disappear during the summer months.”
Fact: The Arctic Ocean was much warmer than it is now for several millennia after the end of the last ice age. We know this because there are trees buried in the tundra along what is now the arctic shore. Those trees can be dated using standard analytical techniques that have been around for decades. According to Glen MacDonald of UCLA, the trees show that July temperatures could have been 5-13øF warmer from 9,000 to about 3,000 years ago than they were in the mid-20th century. The arctic ice cap had to have disappeared in most summers, and yet the polar bear survived!
Gore: “Our weather sure is getting strange, isn’t it? There seem to be more tornadoes than in living memory. . . .”
Fact: The reason there “seems” to be more tornadoes is because of national coverage by Doppler radar, which can detect storms that were previously missed (not to mention that every backyard tornado winds up on YouTube nowadays). Naturally, the additions are weak ones that might, if lucky, tip over a cow. If there were a true increase in tornadoes, then we would see a definite upswing in severe ones, too. If anything, the historical record indicates a slight negative trend in the frequency of major tornadoes, based upon death statistics.
Gore: ” . . . longer droughts . . . ”
Hogwash. The U.S. drought history, given by the Palmer Drought Severity Index, is readily available and extends back to 1895. There’s not a shred of evidence for “longer droughts” in recent decades. The longest ones were in the 1930s and 1950s, decades before “global warming” became “the climate crisis.”
Gore: ” . . . bigger downpours and record floods . . . ”
It’s true, U.S. annual rainfall has increased about 10 percent (three inches) in the last 100 years. But it’s equally true that this is a net benefit. Temperatures haven’t warmed nearly enough to increase the annual surface evaporation by the same amount, so what has resulted is a wetter country during the growing season. Farmers love this, because most of the nation runs a moisture deficit during the hot summer growing season. Increasing rain cuts that deficit.
Gore: “The leading experts predict that we have less than 10 years to make dramatic changes in our global warming pollution lest we lose our ability to ever recover from this environmental crisis.”
This is likely James Hansen of NASA, Gore’s climate guru. He has written and given sworn testimony that twenty feet of sea-level rise, caused by the rapid shedding of Greenland’s ice, could happen by 2100. Why didn’t Gore defer instead to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an organization with at least a few hundred bona fide climate scientists? Its 2007 compendium estimates that the contribution of Greenland’s ice to sea level during this century will be around two inches. Gore also forgot the embarrassing truth that there has been no net change in the planetary surface temperature, as measured both by thermometers and satellites, for the last ten years.
It would be easy to go on, particularly about the preposterousness of Gore’s “solution,” which is to produce all of our electricity from solar, wind and geothermal sources within ten years. I’ll leave that for the energy economists to tear apart.
Good morning Maggotpunk!
Two points:
First, these are not real scientists. Matthias Ruth has a PhD in geography and is now working as an economist. He doesn’t have a clue about what causes climate change (or doesn’t), what its extent and duration will be, or what its probable impacts are – heck, he’s even using the much-discredited hockey stick model as the core data for each of the studies’ identical primers on climate change.
In short, he’s just a paid lackey who’s merely accepting other people’s models as true and running them through his own economic models and asking us to believe him because he works for a university think tank for hire. His colleagues on the study? Graduate assistants.
And who are those other people who are providing the modeled data for Ruth’s review? That hired his think tank for hire? Here’s a clue you might want to pursue for your answer: Buried at the bottom of the study’s on-line title page is this: “Support for this research was provided by the Environmental Defense Fund.” Do you think that just might be a biased group . more biased even than an oil company? Here’s Peter Goldmark, the EDF’s climate program director, answering why EDF works on climate:
“Nothing has more potential to alter forever the world our children inherit.”
So he’s got a biased view – it’s bad, we caused it, and an expensive cap-and-trade system is the best way to address it – and he hired a bunch of non-scientists to dress up a pile of rigamrole and present it as a scientific study.
EDF’s position in support of cap-and-trade takes me to my second point. Speaking out against the concept when it came before the Senate as the Lieberman-Warner “America’s Climate Security Act,” Sen. James Inhofe said:
“The Lieberman-Warner bill will burden American families with additional energy costs and significantly harm the United States economy. Senators are going to be asking the American people to pay more for home energy and pay higher prices at the gas pump for no climate benefit. This bill will simply result in real economic pain, for no climate gain. MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen correctly summed up these types of efforts in March when he said, `Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life.’ .
“The American people are being asked to pay significantly more for energy just so lawmakers in Washington can say they did `something’ about global warming. And just what will cap-and-trade legislation actually do? Cap-and-trade policies have been tried in Europe and they have proven to be an utter disaster. European emissions continue to climb while our current policies have resulted in emissions tailing off in the U.S. If we were going to impose enormous costs to our economy, a carbon tax would be a much more efficient and transparent approach.
“[A]n MIT study earlier this year found [the cap and trade approach] would cost $3500 per family of four. According to an EPA analysis, Lieberman-McCain would impose a price increase for oil of 20% and for natural gas of 23%.
Now those guys at MIT might just be real scientists, so let’s look at that $3,500 per family of four. The estimated 2006 population of the eight states CIER studied was 57.8 million, or 14.5 million families of four. Lieberman-Warner would have raised their annual cost of living by $3,500 each, or $50.6 billion.
Now let’s go back to the impacts of the states, which I assume are permanent, not annual, but what the heck, let’s just go ahead and call them annual so we can compare the data conservatively. Oh, wait. The real scientists actually never presented a single projected total cost of climate change for any of the eight states they studied. All we have is the news releases summary of two states with “more than a billion,” one with “multi-million” and five with “billions.” Write that out and it’s five multi-billions, two billion pluses, one multi-millions. A nice, tight, scientific number.
Is it more or less than the $50.6 billion price tag of EDF’s proposed cap-and-trade system? My hunch, based just on proportional population, is that it’s less . a lot less, somewhere about $15 to $20 billion.
So, boil it all down, strip out the hysteria and the puff, and you get this: An environmental group is advocating that you spend $50.6 billion to avoid an economic impact of $15 to $20 billion. But when this story breaks in the MSM tonight and tomorrow, you won’t read that, will you?
Of course, some SAVINGS would accrue due to global warming in Kansas. Winter coats and jackets would no longer be needed. Cars could be convertibles and jeeps.
Farmers would save by not attempting to grow corn and other crops needing irrigation from dryed up underground water aquifers.
As the current “dry line” on the Arkansas River continues to move eastward (it’s now somewhere east of Dodge City, perhaps at Kinsley?) … the old Arkansas river bed could be converted to a new passenger rail line touching all the tourist spots from Colorado, to Dodge City, Great Bend and Wichita. Then on south to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Then as the Arkansas River continues to dry up, the rail line could be extended into Arkansas and on to the Mississippi River.
We’ve got to continue to look “outside the box” at these global warming issues.
Climate occurrence expected in 100 years.
In an impromptu press statement, leading Climatologist, Thoroughgood Pikinchuze, stated in unequivocal terms that climate will definitely occur in the next 100 years.
Dr. Pikinchuze went further on to claim that rainfall, flooding, droughts, glaciation along with tornadoes and hurricanes will happen annually.
Pikinchuze also forecasted that long range and often unpredictable temperature and wind events will occur with some frequency.
When asked if he was promoting an alarmist attitude, Pikinchuze answered with a resounding “no.” He commented, “I’m merely relating observational data and past climate events as they have occurred since man has realized there was such a thing as climate.”
Pikinchuze went on to predict the occurrence of the sun, moon and the stars in future astro-physical events.
http:/sowhatnhohum.weasel.com
Interesting Website –
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
He ventured forth to bring light to the world
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece
The anointed one’s pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action – and a blessing to all his faithful followers
Gerard Baker
And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.
The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.
When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”
In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.
He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the
Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.
And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.
From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.
And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child’s very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.
And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.
From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.
In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.
As word spread throughout the land about the Child’s wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.
And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child’s journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.
The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.
And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.
Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.
And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.
Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.
But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.
And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.
Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.
On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.
And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”
John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be the “first son and grandson of four star admirals” to achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.
His father, John S. “Junior” McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.
At the Academy, aside being known as a “rowdy, raunchy, underachiever” who resented authority, Cadet McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing “off-Yard activities” and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale’s Song, that “being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck.”
McCain’s grades were “marginal.” He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low “class standing,” and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.
Good Party Animal – Bad Pilot:
He spent the next two and a half years as a “naval aviator in training” at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.
While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named “Marie the Flame of Florida.” Timberg wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”
McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft
McCain, the “below par” pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.
While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”
Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain’s grandfather.
In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.
Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.
The Navy dismissed the crash as “unavoidable” and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.
McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.
Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife
Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.
Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.
Timberg described McCain’s advancement: “in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path.”
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and “engage in extra-marital affairs.”
This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.
Timberg wrote, “Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain’s persona, impossible not to take note of.”
In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position “to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy’s Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn’t long before the “fun loving and irreverent” McCain had turned the liaison office into a “late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind.”
In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.
He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.
“Lord, Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will.” — Obama’s prayer.
The Eagle seems to forget the comment portion in articles involving racism or immigration. Why is this? Do journalists not want their thoughts/agenda challenged?
This morning’s paper says the scope of the bond issue for schools may change and those recommendations will be made at tomorrow night’s school board meeting. The few of us who vote need to be sure our vote is an informed one. Let’s not let this vote slip up on us or listen to anyone’s “spin,” let’s stay alert!
“The Eagle seems to forget the comment portion in articles involving racism or immigration. Why is this? Do journalists not want their thoughts/agenda challenged?” — jjj
No. It’s because the Eagle does not want to become a conduit for hatred and prejudices.
Are you planning to attend the BOE meeting to hear the recommendations linda?
I am considering that Apophis. I think it might be the only way I actually get their intent without “spin.” I haven’t been to a school board meeting since the moved to the current meeting site. Is it crowded? Does one need to arrive early?
Remember jjj, free speech is only for those who agree with Liberal Democratics.
August birthdays highlight McCain-Obama generational split
Obama will be 47 on Aug. 4. McCain will be 72 on Aug. 29.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-27-candidates-age-gap_N.htm
Linda, the new BOE meeting room at North High is very nice. How crowded it is depends on the issues being discussed. This issue might draw a large crowd so arriving early might be prudent.
Thanks, Apophis. Important issues — our schools, and our taxes! I feel the need to (at least attempt to) get the straight scoop.
I found this an interesting “take.” Some of the comments are interesting too.
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Returning to the fray from Europe
An honest assessment of the impact of the trip would have to be: too early to tell. Talk of poll bounces or the opposite is just 24-hour TV nonsense; voters will decide in November based on the totality of their experience of the candidates. The trip plays into that – it matters and overall it appears to have been a success but it will not be decisive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/
test
Heh
Me thinks Hank should read his own links better.
“According to Glen MacDonald of UCLA, the trees show that July temperatures could have been 5-13øF warmer from 9,000 to about 3,000 years ago than they were in the mid-20th century.”
But Hank? According to you and the truth about creation according to you the Earth itself is only about 8,000 years old!
“Let there be trees!” a thousand years before let there be light?
Using a link that agrees with you…kinda?
I smell desperation.
“I smell desperation.”
Check your T-shirt, it might be time to put the other one on.
Citing “science” that does not jibe with your bible seems desperate to me there Hank.
Of course nothing much in the real world agrees with your bible. Ironically enough, not even you.
Very amusing, junior.
Now I’m getting Bible lessons from someone who’s ignorance of science is only exceeded by his ignorance of the Bible!
However, I’ll give you expertise on desperate. Every day must begin and end in desperation for a loser like you.
Maybe if you both go back to bed and when you get back up make sure you get up on the right side. Do you have to call one another names to make your points? Must be mighty weak points of view!
I apologize, Linda,
Didn’t mean to tread on your delicate sensibilities.
However, when a loser begins his day by taking a shot at my faith, loser seemed to be the only word that worked.
I don’t have delicate sensibilities, I just think both of you are more and better than some of your posts. Besides, the blog seems to be getting nastier and there are fewer posts actually informative or worth reading. ALL OF US can make a difference individually.
“I just think both of you are more and better than some of your posts.”
No linda, he is not.
Well thank you, Linda!
We’re talking about a man that has threatened to destroy me. A man that has written on that if ‘wishes were bullets’ I’d already be dead.
The very fact that I don’t this little man serious enough to get a restraining order on him show restraint on my part.
Heh
YOU took a shot at your own faith there Hank.
I just pointed it out.
Restraining order?
Hey when I went to the dog show, I hate to break your heart Hank. But I was not there to see you.
YOU insinuated yourself on me.
Also? I don’t post that I carry a gun “in case I need to kill someone.” as you do.
I don’t think we have to worry about meeting again. There’s no desire on my part. You’d be surprised how many people I know who feel the same.
The way politics and the world is trending, I can beat you without a personal confrontation.
No, junior,
I merely bring links to the discussion to prove that the debate on AGW is not over.
In fact, the debate is heating up and the globe is cooling!
Linda — Check your Email… I sent out something between funny(not ha ha) and strange… :-)
It really is true — a person should not stick their nose where it doesn’t belong. I’m sorry, guys. I’m too human too often, but will try harder not to give advice on deportment. Sorry!
9,000 year old tree rings on an 8,000 year old planet?
If that aint desperate?
But? That’s where you live isn’t it?
What did you call it? The ohms theory or olms or something like that?
I learned looking THAT one up. Fossils placed in the ground. Trees with tree rings on day one of creation?
SO much evidence DELIBERATELY placed to debunk “creation” BY the creator?
SO little evidence for that creator?
And he calls me desperate.
Nah you’re cool linda.
“Restraining order?”
Yep, one more threat, little man, and I take you seriously.
“YOU insinuated yourself on me.”
LOL, I’ve no defense for that charge!
“Also? I don’t post that I carry a gun “in case I need to kill someone.” as you do.”
So? Be a sheep if you want to.
I DON’T take you seriously.
“YOU insinuated yourself on me.”
LOL, I’ve no defense for that charge!”
No you really don’t. You approached and addressed me and I didn’t ask you to. I WAS polite that time.
I don’t feel polite anymore.
Well, it doesn’t look like those in Alaska are to worried about Global Warming.
“The coldest summer ever? You might be looking at it, weather folks say.”
http://www.adn.com/life/story/473786.html
Right now the so-called summer of ‘08 is on pace to produce the fewest days ever recorded in which the temperature in Anchorage managed to reach 65 degrees.
That unhappy record was set in 1970, when we only made it to the 65-degree mark, which many Alaskans consider a nice temperature, 16 days out of 365.
This year, however — with the summer more than half over — there have been only seven 65-degree days so far. And that’s with just a month of potential “balmy” days remaining and the forecast looking gloomy.
“Gitmo prosecutor repeats al Qaeda deputy’s claim: Flight 93 was shot down on 9/11″
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Was_Flight_93_shot_down_on_0723.html
“If they hadn’t shot down the fourth plane it would’ve hit the dome,” Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks, repeating Bin Laden’s deputy’s claim.”
baa baaa baaa
“Well, it doesn’t look like those in Alaska are to worried about Global Warming.” — Box lock.
Here is the actual data:
http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Fairbanks/Fai_clim_history.html
http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/Climate/SixCities/Anchorage/anc_temp.jpg
Conlusion: Although Box Lox’s copy and past of an Anchorage newspaper story from an anti-warming blog is factually correct, he as usual reaches a wildly inaccurate conclusion.
Barak Obama’s Global Poverty Act will use a Gas Tax
“The Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433) is coming up for a Senate vote… according the office of Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. Once Harry Reid and the Democrat leadership put it on the calendar, we could have as little as a week to prepare for the vote.” – Lee Cary, The American Thinker
If Cary is right, Senator Barack Hussein Obama’s only major legislative accomplishment as a United States Senator — which according to some conservative leaders is potentially an $845 billion United Nations give away of your hard-earned tax dollars — could be coming up for a stealth vote any day now!
Is it really possible that our federal legislators are planning to pass Barack Hussein Obama’s Global Poverty Act while they think we aren’t looking?
Here’s what conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly said:
“Rumors have been circulating around Capitol Hill that a few activist groups have renewed their surge and have begun lobbying full force for a bill introduced by presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). The bill has already passed out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee without any public hearings, and it also passed the House earlier this year. It is important to note that both of these votes were ‘voice votes,’ which was a deliberate strategy of the congressional majority so that no record would be kept of those who voted in favor of this problematic bill.”
Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media recently issued the following report:
“While Senator Barack Obama struggles to keep the public in the dark about the nature of his pro-U.N. Global Poverty Act, a recent ‘Bay Area Interfaith Leaders’ Luncheon’ was held to lobby for Senate passage of the bill, whose cost has been estimated at $845 billion…”
“Meanwhile, a concerned parent alerted us to the fact that a Christian preschool in Long Island, New York was handing out a coloring page for children which included a plea for Congress to pass Obama’s Global Poverty Act. ‘Dear Parents,’ said the letter that was sent home. ‘We would like to join efforts with the congregation of St. David’s to stop world hunger. You and your child can help by coloring and signing the enclosed sheet. This sheet will be sent along with many others to our representatives in Washington….
“The [enclosed] sheet said ‘Dear Senator: At Preschool, I learned to thank God for the food I eat. I also collect coins to help those who don’t have enough. Today, I ask you to help, too, with more and better aid for the world’s poorest countries. We want Congress to pass the Global Poverty Act. Please cosponsor S. 2433. Thank you.’ The child’s name and age were supposed to be filled in.
“The pictures to be colored included what appeared to be an angel holding a bowl of food (with a Valentine heart on the robe and the bowl) and a basket with apples.”
Human Events
845 billion sent out of the U.S. by Obama, an agenda we cannot afford.
Let’s try some facts…………..
Based on information from the State Department, CBO estimates that implementing S. 2433
would cost less than $1 million per year, assuming the availability of appropriated funds.
Enacting the bill would not affect direct spending or receipts.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:M1yK7AkYGQ4J:www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm%3Findex%3D9082+s2433&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=25&gl=ca
Any proof that the $845 Billion goes to the U.N., or is that just Sista Phyllis yapping her head off??
Thanks Clark… I thought it sounded like more slime ball crap from Eagle Forum!!
Hank posted July 27, 2008 at 10:50 am
“I merely bring links to the discussion to prove that the debate on AGW is not over.”
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Actually, Hank helps prove that the debate on AGW IS over.
Hank posted at 6:10 am yesterday: “As a former finance minister, Lawson does not pretend to be an expert on the details of atmospheric physics.”
Lawson’s proof(sic) that the “science is uncertain” was a very flawed survey.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-726/#comment-390589
‘Useless on-line survey of climate scientists’‘
“For username enter “respondent” (without quotation marks)
For password enter “ccsurvey” (again without the quotation marks).”
CBO estimates that implementing S. 2433
would cost less than $1 million per year, assuming the availability of appropriated funds.
Enacting the bill would not affect direct spending or receipts…
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Implementing means running the programs that would spend the 845 billion dollars.
It does not mean that the bill would only cost $1 million a year.
That is the cost of running the programs.
“Human Events” also seems to believe multiple falsehoods from Michelle Bachmann, like the U.S. could drop gas prices to $2 a gallon in a few years.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390459
“Conlusion[sic](Conclusion}: Although Box Lox’s[sic](Boxlock’s) copy and past[sic[(paste) of an Anchorage newspaper story from an anti-warming blog is factually correct, he as usual reaches a wildly inaccurate conclusion.”
And, you forgot to add, Boxlock “as usual” accomplished EXACTLY what he intended. And Boxlock never offered a conclusion, ‘beber’ screwed that up too.
Your conclusion, Boxhead, was “it looks like Alaska won’t have to worry about global warming.” You’re so stupid you don’t realize you’ve concluded something when you’ve made a conclusion.
“Actually, Hank helps prove that the debate on AGW IS over.”
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You wish Cosmos. If the AGW debate is over, why does a Dr. Spencer, a skeptic get to testify before Congress?
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/roy-spencers-testimony-before-congress-backs-up-moncktons-assertions-on-climate-sensitivity/
Nope. You will have to stand your watch as the earth continues to cool.
S. 2433, Senator Obama’s bill for spending 845 billion dollars is tied into the Millennium
Challenge Act conference by the U.N. The U.N. wants the U.S. to commit to 65 billion/year over 13 years (845 billion dollars.)
The MCA described:
The United States has recognized the need for increased financial and technical assistance to countries burdened by extreme poverty, as well as the need for strengthened economic and trade opportunities for those countries, through significant initiatives in recent years, including the Millennium Challenge Act of 2003 (22 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.),
S. 2433, is a collateral bill introduced by Senator Obama that would increase per year what the MCA to 65 billion a year over 13 years.
outlander,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-723-2/#comment-388354
And thank you for proving my point in this post,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-723-2/#comment-388374
You’re going to have to get up earlier, cosmos.
I’m usually done with the global warming political football by late morning.
cosmos believes in computer climate models that are inaccurate. cosmos has stated that the computer climate models are inaccurate.
Yet cosmos rails daily that these inaccurate models can be used to predict future climate.
Anyone else see anything wrong with that picture?
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a political hack seeking to implement draconian carbon taxes that will kill the U.S. economy.
“Important issues — our schools, and our taxes! ”
That’s funny. You know you should give more of your money to the government. They know how to spend it wisely. Same principle as the State and Fed level.
You OWE it to society. It’s all about the children,
afterall. We can’t rely on the filthy rich to pay all our bills.
So Cosmos. If the AGW debate is over, what is Dr. Spencer. a skeptic doing testifying before Congress?
“845 billion sent out of the U.S. by Obama, an agenda we cannot afford.”
Don’t forget the 48 billion approved to fight AIDS globally. It’s all about the new Obama liberal agenda: We must support the global human needs.
And yes we can afford it: It’s only when we spend money on things libs DO NOT believe in, that it is a waste of money and increases the national debt.
Some of us have NO PROBLEM increasing the public debt that our children’s children will have to pay off – as long as it’s for a “good deed”.
No matter the 845 billion and 48 billion will be money we borrow from China and rich oil nations. No matter that the value of our dollar declines the greater our public debt.
It’s for the “children”.
(and before anyone posts the reply: I am also against the billions wasted in Iraq/Afghan and the huge DoD budget.)
outlander posted,
“So Cosmos. If the AGW debate is over, what is Dr. Spencer. a skeptic doing testifying before Congress?”
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Confusing gullible people like you.
Boxlock: I did catch your after dinner post.
I also noted the childish posts and general deteriorating posts following.
It is not acceptable for conservatives on this blog to compliment each others posts, or be supportive.
That is restricted to lib gangs.
Apparently Monkeyhawk can be extremely jealous.
I did chuckle though, as I signed off and escorted my bride of 29 years to bed.
Hank,
I have better things to do in the morning than explain the difference between “create” and “invent” to you.
I think the deniers of global warming and those who would do nothing to address it pretty much figured the game was up some time ago.
It might have been when Newt Gingrich got the message. Or perhaps it was when Pat Robertson realized his stewardship of the Earth was a bit more important then protecting the status quo.
Such folk are represented very well by like minded individuals who post here. Being kind, they are almost harmless cranks. They need man to be small so that God can be big. Or they have their own crackpot idea of what is actually causing the warming and their ego will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.
They know they’ve lost. They are in one or another of the stages of denial. Maybe they’ll come around and maybe not.
We don’t really NEED them on board of their own choice. As the world changes around them, they will have to change as well.
That’s perfectly OK, cosmos. I appreciate what ever time you are able to devote to my education.
Your efforts make it possible for me to follow the George Soros funded propaganda without going to the various left wing websites.
Still smelling desperation, junior? Or did you change your T-Shirt?
Looks like the libs and cons will never agree. I vote we split the country along ideological lines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map
Shoo fly don’t bother me.
Let’s start talking about addressing and solving.
First thing that oughta go is auto racing. What a mindless activity to engage in or watch! Replace it with alternative fuel vehicle competition.
“As the world changes around them, they will have to change as well.”
BJ I agree with you. Where I disagree is with you putting a label on those that deny the truth. It is not just republicans, it is democrats, independents, and those with no political persuasion.
We who post on the WEBLOG – are all politically keen. Doesn’t matter which religion of politics. We all are at least aware of the two forces at work. We are conscience of our part of the yin and the yang. The blue and the red.
But there are millions more who live their lives completely oblivious or ambivalentof national politics or even world events. Only 122 million bothered to vote in the last presidential election. This in a nation of 300+ million.
There are a like number of these citizens who could give a rats ass about GW or the environment as those who are politically astute.
There are also democrats who could give a rat’s ass, just as there are republicans.
What we ALL care about is our money. Start making energy affect everyone$ wallets – and we will start seeing results.
You can’t keep blinders on and cast stones at other Americans who are also involved in the country and world around them – but don’t follow your personal ideals.
You want change? Increase gas to five bucks a gallon.
But stop finger pointing. Everyone is responsible.
HEHEHE!
Now that’s a ticket I’d buy! One to the next NASCAR race that the greenie weenies decided to protest! What’s next on the agenda? Banning John Wayne movies?
Hank,
George Soros didn’t fund decades of intense climate research — governments worldwide funded it.
Hank provides the fossil-fuel version of climate science(sic).
‘Patrick Michaels
Paid by fossil fuel industry’
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1567
Race cars don’t run on gasoline, not even petroleum-based fuels.
I’m wrong (AGAIN!). Some race cars DO use petroleum-based fuels.
Timothy McVeigh bought racing fuel. That was a gas.
LOL!
cosmos the clueless greenie shill proves my point with a link to desmogblog!
What are the academic nitwits and washed up journalists that work on the desmogblog website going to do when Soros dies?
We’ll probably be into the second decade of global cooling by then and it’ll be hard for a bunch of greenie has beens to find work. TIme magazine can’t hire all of them.
NASCAR cars run on a special unleaded racing fuel. Indy cars and F1 cars run on ethanol. Most drag racers use gasoline, except top fuel cars, which run on nitromethane.
I find it interesting that folks are cheering the rise in energy prices. I can understand those that are making money because they own oil company stocks. But there are others, those who you would classify as leftists, socialists, environmentalists. They are supposedly interested in the welfare of working class folks. But they seem not to care that fixed income and low income folks are really hurting because of high gas prices. These are the same folks that won’t be able to afford whatever solutions are coming down the pike.
So you have an odd assortment of interests. who are normally at each other’s throat. cheering because they and the rest of America get the privilege of paying out the nose for energy.
Strange days indeed.
Hank,
The Intermountain Rural Electric Association has paid Patrick Michaels at least $100,000.
http://www.desmogblog.com/about_us
Another thing to do away with is the vehicle drive through.
I went to get a taco a while ago. Coincidentally, I ran into my sister in line ahead of me.
If I had known there was anyone in the drive through line at all I would have parked and went in.
She had been waiting more than 10 minutes! I told her I wasn’t waiting more than 2.
We both ended up giving up and leaving.
Our food, if made, was wasted. They lost enough in 10 minutes to have paid another employee for an hours work! You really should not try to run a fast food restaurant with just 2 people.
And I should have gone in. I would have told the manager to get out of his office and make me a taco.
I think that is one reason they like the drive through. They can keep you out there cooling your heels instead of seeing what is going on inside.
Going in has the added benefit that you can check and make sure they get your order right.
cosmos,
The AGW alarmist argument is failing so badly that Algore is spending $300,000,000.00 over the next three years on his ridiculous propaganda campaign.
$100,000? Let me know when my side catches up!
S.2433 has 29 co-sponsors, including several notable Republicans, Snowe, Collins, Hagel, Smith and Lugar.
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE] – 2/12/2008
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] – 5/22/2008
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] – 6/12/2008
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] – 5/8/2008
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] – 12/7/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] – 7/15/2008
Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. [PA] – 6/2/2008
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] – 7/15/2008
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] – 5/13/2008
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] – 2/12/2008
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] – 2/7/2008
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] – 2/13/2008
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] – 1/23/2008
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE] – 12/7/2007
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] – 2/28/2008
Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] – 2/29/2008
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] – 4/1/2008
Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] – 7/15/2008
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] – 7/16/2008
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN] – 2/5/2008
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] – 2/11/2008
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] – 5/13/2008
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] – 2/27/2008
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] – 6/17/2008
Sen Smith, Gordon H. [OR] – 3/10/2008
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] – 2/25/2008
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] – 7/24/2008
Sen Webb, Jim [VA] – 7/24/2008
Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] – 6/23/2008
From the text of the bill:
“(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world’s poorest nations.”
That group of leaders would include George WMD Bush.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:s.02433:
I was wrong regarding the cost of the program, vis vi; the CBO – but the expense noted is not new spending, as Bush has already committed to the American portion of the cost.
not cheering here. I just wish it didn’t take this to enact change in people’s hearts and minds. Gluttony and selfishness and stepping on people to get their way to the top is a neocon trait, not a liberal one.
Hank,
http://www.wecansolveit.org/ is trying to undo the confusion and misinformation spread by your side since the late 1980’s.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
“. . . .trying to undo the confusion and misinformation spread by your side since the late 1980’s.”
Kinda like a debate?
LOL
Junior,
It’s fast food. Your expectations are too high. Plus, it’s crap. Why in the world would you ingest that stuff?
WSClark
Posted July 26, 2008 at 10:24 pm
The Conservatives whine and cry about welfare for the poor PEOPLE, yet they applaud welfare for corporations and oil companies.
Hypocrites, each and every one of them.
“But corporations provide JOBS!”
Horseskit – corporations provide BONUSES for executives.
So much for the concept of “compassionate conservatives.”
Moth – er – fuc- ckers.
I hope you all die soon – as in – tonight.
DA,
Curiously, what’s wrong with you?
S.2433 is essentially a tax levied by the United Nations for 0.7 percent of the United States GDP.
Under the disguised hood of the Global Poverty Act are provisions to approve the next Kyoto Treaty Protocol (Global Warming) and bio-diversity (some mysterious tree hugger legislation.)
This act must not pass. It is a U.N. tax that has no requirement to pay for programs to help poor nations. It will be abused under the blackmailing and corrupt hands of the United Nations.
Giving the United Nations nearly a trillion dollars in virtually an unsupervised environment is monumentally stupid.
We ARE the UN, holding a permanent seat on the Security Council with absolute veto power, along with each other member of the Council.
A single veto by any member of the Security Council defeats any UN action.
For all the Neocon whining about the UN, we ARE the UN.
http://www.un.org/sc/members.asp
“The Council is composed of five permanent members — China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States”
“This act must not pass.”
Regular, you are on the wrong forum for this.
The Global Poverty Act represents all that is good for socialists the world over.
“The Global Poverty Act represents all that is good for socialists the world over.”
So George WMD Bush must be a socialist, since he agreed to the program at the G8 conference in 2005.
Who knew?
Why are you so eager to give a trillion dollars away Clark?
It’s not your money, it’s the money of the people of the United States.
It’s not the U.N.’s money, it’s the money of the people of the United States.
The United States is not the U.N., we are the United States.
A trillion dollars could go for infrastructure repair in our own country and many other programs.
This bill is a hoax and a ploy to make nearly a trillion dollars of non-traceable monies available to the U.N.
S.2433 would essentially be a tax on the United States mandated by the U.N.
As citizens we cannot control the U.N. and therefore it would be taxation without representation. That would make the bill unconstitutional.
Are you against the Constitution Clark?
“It’s not your money, it’s the money of the people of the United States.”
The monies were agreed upon by George WMD Bush.
“As citizens we cannot control the U.N. and therefore it would be taxation without representation.”
The United States has absolute veto power at the UN, through our representative who is nominated by the President and approved by the Senate.
“Are you against the Constitution Clark?”
Nope.
Are you asking the same question of George?
Isn’t that what liberals do – give away money (and take some of it for themselves) that isn’t theirs?
AmWay, if you are going to copy and paste, at least do it for my entire post.
And, by the way, you are one of the “compassionate conservatives” that I was referring to.
McCluer? He doesn’t even pretend to be compassionate.
“Isn’t that what liberals do – give away money”
How much money have we given to Iraq?
No beber, you dimwit, and liar by the way, I did not draw a conclusion directly about global warming at all, but made an observation from a factual article about the coolest summer in Alaska. I made an observation that it doesn’t look like they are worried. That’s ‘look’, as in ‘appear’. And stop lying about what I said, I did not say as you put in quotation marks, “it looks like Alaska won’t have to worry about global warming.” I actually said, “Well, it doesn’t look like those in Alaska are too worried about Global Warming.”
If you are going to quote someone on something at least have the honesty and intelligence to get it straight. But then again maybe that is to much to ask after reading all the errors in your first rude rebuttal to me.
Damn, I thought the WE Editors fumigated for nits, so nobody would go nit picking anymore… Oh well…..
Obama’s $845 billion U.N. plan forwarded to U.S. Senate floor
‘Global Poverty Act’ to cost each citizen $2,500 or more
Posted: July 25, 2008
12:30 am Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
The U.S. Senate soon could debate whether you, your spouse and each of your children – as well as your in-laws, parents, grandparents, neighbors and everyone else in America – each will spend $2,500 or more to reduce poverty around the world.
The plan sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, is estimated to cost the U.S. some $845 billion over the coming few years in an effort to raise the standard of living around the globe.
S.2433 already has been approved in one form by the U.S. House of Representatives and now has been placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar for pending debate.
WND previously reported the proposal demands the president develop “and implement” a policy to “cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief” and other programs.
Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media has published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could “result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States” and would make levels of U.S. foreign aid spending “subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.”
“it looks like Alaska won’t have to worry about global warming.”
TYPICAL reichwing science denial!
I’m goimng to be at the BOE meeting tomorrow boxtop. Are you going to present that dossier you’ve been collecting on me? It would be FUN if you did!
“(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world’s poorest nations.”
All eight participating countries, including the United States, represented by George “the Socialist” Bush.
“Gluttony and selfishness and stepping on people to get their way to the top is a neocon trait, not a liberal one.”
I don’t see any more tendency toward “Gluttony and selfishness” in conservatives than liberals at all, probably less.
What I see is a much much higher tendency toward thievery among liberals. And being content with good feelings, and talk, and the enabling of undesirable, unproductive behavior, but no real or helpful constructive action.
BOXLOCK said:
“Well, it doesn’t look like those in Alaska are too worried about Global Warming.”
BEBER said:
“it looks like Alaska won’t have to worry about global warming.”
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Doesnt look like any substantive difference in the two comments…
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WSClark
Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
“(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world’s poorest nations.”
All eight participating countries, including the United States, represented by George “the Socialist” Bush.
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You ever read what you write Clark?
That’s 50 billion dollars from eight countries.
Obama wants 65 billion a year from the United States alone or 845 billion over a 13 year period.
Moron.
“Damn, I thought the WE Editors fumigated for nits, so nobody would go nit picking anymore… Oh well…”
‘nit’; The egg of a louse
Chas, I guess they didn’t….you’re still here, and posting obnoxiously.
BOXLOCK — You just responded to a post I made that was directed at nobody in particular… Guess that speaks volumes about your Ego centric thought processes!! ROFL!!
In other words, Boxlock, your integrity SUCKS!!
AmWay — You got that stupid copy/paste on Auto Post??? It was disgusting after the first two or three times… Now, it is just plain assinine!!
“Obama wants 65 billion a year from the United States alone or 845 billion over a 13 year period.”
Where in the bill do you find a figure of $65 billion per year or a figure stated as a percentage of the GDP?
……amway, what is your meltdown with the repeat posts?
Wouldn’t all of you reichwingers just as soon see eveyone else who doesn’t have your mindset eliminated anyway? Afterall, the poor are poor because they choose to be!
Regarding Africa.
China will, and has, gladly stepped in where other countries fear to tread.
Here is the reality, the grinding poverty prevalent in much of sub-Saharan Africa contributes to enormous destabilization and human misery on one hand. On the other hand, Africa still has enormous resources, and in particular resources upon which 21st century economies will be dependent. I actually think the Bush Administration’s investment in trying to alleviate African poverty has been admirable to a point (the restrictions on birth control to placate the Christian Right being the notable exception). I strongly applaud anyone who would increase the USA’s share in investing and helping the people of Africa, because 1) we are likely to be more discriminating and 2) China has been investing quite a bit in Africa, but they are not as discriminating (meaning, they don’t care about the long term consequences of what they do locally if it gains them a short term advantage-human rights and dignity are nicities that the Chinese government at best gives lip service to). Africa looms as one of the most important areas in the world in the 21st century, and 19th and early 20th century colonialism, not to mention the corruption of many African regimes in the latter half of the 20th century to now, have inflicted fearful damage to that continent. The countries that invest in Africa will have a leg up in important economic development, particularly if that investment quite rightly allows the people there to FINALLY earn their rightful inheritance as the people who actually own and live among those resources.
Regular — Can you show some relationship between the 2005 G-8 resolution, and the Senate Bill sponsored by Obama?? On the surface, it looks like two different matteres entirely… At least try to be honest with your gripes…
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WSClark
Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
“Obama wants 65 billion a year from the United States alone or 845 billion over a 13 year period.”
Where in the bill do you find a figure of $65 billion per year or a figure stated as a percentage of the GDP?
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Stop asking stupid questions Clark.
Of course that’s not in the bill.
Asking weasel questions won’t make the glaring socialistic U.N. loving move that your boy Obama wants to the commit the United States to.
The goal set by the U.N. was for an additional 25 billion dollars from from the G-8 countries, not 65 billion from the United States alone.
Obama was to become the glory king of the world at the dire expense of the taxpayer’s pocketbooks.
This is Obama’s vision to become World King or something.
The U.N. did not ask for this money, Obama volunteered it.
Chas, come on…you’re not that big an dimwit…well..(?)
Not WORRYING about something, the situation I pointed out, and Not HAVING TO WORRY are two entirely different things.
Example: I’m NOT worried about cancer, but maybe I SHOULD worry about cancer. Or, I’m AM NOT WORRYED about becoming as dumb as you Chas, but maybe I SHOULD WORRY about becoming as dumb as you. That last one was a bad example that is impossible, completely outside the realm of possibility. Let’s use another, I’m NOT WORRIED about my house burning down or getting robbed, but maybe, based on whatever, I SHOULD WORRY about those thing.
Got it.
And if beber is going to quote me, he better get it right, he intentionally lied about it I think, and I WORRY about that, but maybe I SHOULDN’T WORRY about that. See?
Here is a disturbing set of photos taken by an American photojournalist in the immediate aftermath of last June’s Al Qaeda bombings in Anbar Province. The photographer, Zoriah, has been threatened with the removal of his embedded status by the Marine Corps, for reasons known only to Corps commanders.
Given the Pentagon’s efforts to prevent Americans from seeing the reality of the Iraq conflict, I decided to post the link so folks could see the un-spun reality of this war.
WARNING: these photos are very graphic.
http://www.zoriah.net/blog/suicide-bombing-in-anbar-.html
And……………………………..
“AmWay, if you are going to copy and paste, at least do it for my entire post.”
I am not sure why you are repeatedly posting the same cut and paste, but have at it.
Yeah, I wished some of you “compassionate conservatives” dead – not much difference than the conservatives that wanted me tried for treason or sedition for my opposition to the War on Iraq.
But, if it floats your boat, AmWay, go for it.
By the way, I have been waiting by my window, when will the cops be showing up?
Boxlock, what you need to worry about is putting your BRAIN into gear before you try to spin out of your Egotistical appearancees
“The countries that invest in Africa will have a leg up in important economic development, particularly if that investment quite rightly allows the people there to FINALLY earn their rightful inheritance as the people who actually own and live among those resources.”
That investment includes humanitarian investment.
“Stop asking stupid questions Clark.”
“The U.N. did not ask for this money, Obama volunteered it.”
Well, here’s a stupid question the, who came up with the $65/$845 billion dollar figure?
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Chas
Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:12 pm | Permalink
Regular — Can you show some relationship between the 2005 G-8 resolution, and the Senate Bill sponsored by Obama?? On the surface, it looks like two different matteres entirely… At least try to be honest with your gripes…
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Do you own homework Clark, I’ve done mine.
The only thing you have right now is typical liberal arm flailing and total blind support for Obama.
Close your eyes Chas and let Obama run wild. That about it?
Hank sez:
“Good morning Maggotpunk!
Two points:
First, these are not real scientists.”
How a creationist could use this as a rebuttal is beyond me.
Do you own homework Clark, I’ve done mine.
should read
Do you own homework Chas, I’ve done mine.
Where does it state in the Senate Bill that the funds would go to AFRICA??? The Bill talks about GLOBAL poverty…. Right???
And where does the Bill state that the funds would go to the U.N.???
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Agnatha
Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
“The countries that invest in Africa will have a leg up in important economic development, particularly if that investment quite rightly allows the people there to FINALLY earn their rightful inheritance as the people who actually own and live among those resources.”
That investment includes humanitarian investment.
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What kind of weasel words are those jawless fish?
This isn’t feel good money, this is almost a trillion dollars that will be out of the hands of the people of the United States and into the corrupt hands of the United Nations.
And, of course, $65 billion would be a FRACTION of what we spend annually in Iraq.
James, the way I see it, you are making a phony attempt to connect a 3 year old G-8 resolution, with a current Senate Bill… And I dont think that it is a legitimate connection… I do believe the PROOF of that is not on MY shoulders… but on YOURS, since YOU are the Idiot making the friggin claim!!
One of these days, people are going to get smart on this Blog, and DEMAND that folks like you PROVE your points, instead of saying that the proof belongs to somebody else!!
Agnatha,
Indeed. And as a sidebar, I’d add that the Chinese government’s expansion of its sphere of influence to include Africa provides a measure of how thoroughly they understand and apply the concept of “soft power.”
If I had to choose one nation as the greatest beneficiary of our disastrous “hard power” (i.e. armed force) approach to the Middle East, it would be China. Our every action has increased their influence without them having to lift a finger. And given the decreased possible range of actions that now are possible for us, and the trashing of our reputation as a reliable partner and an international good citizen, China is seizing the opening.
ChasPosted July 27, 2008 at 4:49 pm
“Damn, I thought the WE Editors fumigated for nits, so nobody would go nit picking anymore… Oh well…..”
Chas Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:58 pm
“BOXLOCK said:
“Well, it doesn’t look like those in Alaska are too worried about Global Warming.”
BEBER said:
“it looks like Alaska won’t have to worry about global warming.”
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Doesnt look like any substantive difference in the two comments…”
Looks like to me you were most certainly directing your comments at me. I quote you, “Doesnt look like any substantive difference in the two comments…”
You’d have us believe you just through that out at nobody or anything uh….right, duh.
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Chas
Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:20 pm | Permalink
Where does it state in the Senate Bill that the funds would go to AFRICA??? The Bill talks about GLOBAL poverty…. Right???
And where does the Bill state that the funds would go to the U.N.???
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As I said Chas, do your own homework.
Here, I’ll give you a hint. Look at the part of the bill that references the Millennium Development Goal. Study that very carefully and get back to us.
I know you won’t, you’d rather take the easy way out and speak out of your butt as usual.
be back later…
NO JAMES —- YOU made the claim… YOU back it up….
BOXLOCK…. Ummmmm yea, I threw (not through) it out there… Because there is so damn much nit picking going on here… Especially from people like you who have nothing worthwhile to offer to the discourse. Now THAT is a comment directed at YOU… Not the former…. Get a BRAIN, Boxy!!! PLEASE!!!
James, since you refuse to back up your claim, we must assume that your claim is FALSE… If not, show us where you find evidence for your claim…
“be back later…”
Don’t hurry.
Barack Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote
By Cliff Kincaid
Feb 12, 2008
A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.
Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama’s “Global Poverty Act” (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.
The bill, which is item number four on the committee’s business meeting agenda, passed the House by a voice vote last year because most members didn’t realize what was in it. Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require. According to the website of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, no hearings have been held on the Obama bill in that body.
A release from the Obama Senate office about the bill declares, “In 2000, the U.S. joined more than 180 countries at the United Nations Millennium Summit and vowed to reduce global poverty by 2015. We are halfway towards this deadline, and it is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day.”
The legislation itself requires the President “to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.”
The bill defines the term “Millennium Development Goals” as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).
The U.N. says that “The commitment to provide 0.7% of gross national product (GNP) as official development assistance was first made 35 years ago in a General Assembly resolution, but it has been reaffirmed repeatedly over the years, including at the 2002 global Financing for Development conference in Monterrey, Mexico. However, in 2004, total aid from the industrialized countries totaled just $78.6 billion—or about 0.25% of their collective GNP.”
In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning “small arms and light weapons” and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as “the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.”
Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.’s “Millennium Project,” says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends. Over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.’s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the “Millennium Development Goals,” this amounts to $845 billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs has written, is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.
Obama’s bill has only six co-sponsors. They are Senators Maria Cantwell, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Lugar, Richard Durbin, Chuck Hagel and Robert Menendez. But it appears that Biden and Obama see passage of this bill as a way to highlight Democratic Party priorities in the Senate.
The House version (H.R. 1302), sponsored by Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), had only 84 co-sponsors before it was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars.
It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member. Lugar has worked with Obama in the past to promote more foreign aid for Russia, supposedly to stem nuclear proliferation, and has become Obama’s mentor. Like Biden, Lugar is a globalist. They have both promoted passage of the U.N.’s Law of the Sea Treaty, for example.
The so-called “Lugar-Obama initiative” was modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program, also known as the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) program, which was designed to eliminate weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union. But one defense analyst, Rich Kelly, noted evidence that “CTR funds have eased the Russian military’s budgetary woes, freeing resources for such initiatives as the war in Chechnya and defense modernization.” He recommended that Congress “eliminate CTR funding so that it does not finance additional, perhaps more threatening, programs in the former Soviet Union.” However, over $6 billion has already been spent on the program.
Another program modeled on Nunn-Lugar, the Initiatives for Proliferation Prevention (IPP), was recently exposed as having funded nuclear projects in Iran through Russia.
More foreign aid through passage of the Global Poverty Act was identified as one of the strategic goals of InterAction, the alliance of U.S-based international non-governmental organizations that lobbies for more foreign aid. The group is heavily financed by the U.S. Government, having received $1.4 million from taxpayers in fiscal year 2005 and $1.7 million in 2006. However, InterAction recently issued a report accusing the United States of “falling short on its commitment to rid the world of dire poverty by 2015 under the U.N. Millennium Development Goals…”
It’s not clear what President Bush would do if the bill passes the Senate. The bill itself quotes Bush as declaring that “We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity.” Bush’s former top aide, Michael J. Gerson, writes in his new book, Heroic Conservatism, that Bush should be remembered as the President who “sponsored the largest percentage increases in foreign assistance since the Marshall Plan…”
Even these increases, however, will not be enough to satisfy the requirements of the Obama bill. A global tax will clearly be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
* Americans who would like their senators to know what they are voting on can contact them through information at the official Senate site.
“Senator Barack Obama’s sponsorship of Senate Bill 2433 aligns with the emerging core theme of his general election campaign. The change he promises will bring much-needed relief, not just to America’s victims of economic injustice, but to victims worldwide.
On December 7, 2007, Obama introduced the Senate version of the Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433). On February 13, the bill cleared the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, on which Obama and 6 (Biden, Dodd, Feingold, Hagel, Lugar, Menendez) of the bill’s 9 co-sponsors serve. The House version of the bill (H.R.1302) passed by a unanimous voice vote last September 25.
Here’s an abstract of the proposed legislation:
“To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the [U.N.] Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.”
If enacted, how much of a financial commitment would that represent to taxpayers?
One estimate is 0.7% of gross national product, or an additional $845 billion over 13 years in addition to existing foreign aid expenditures. So far, this proposal is barely on the MSM radar, but we’re likely hear more about it as a full Senate vote approaches.
Here’s how Senator Obama’s website frames the bill:
“With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces,” said Senator Obama. “It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America’s standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world. Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing corporate profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere.” (emphasis added)
In other words, other nations will like us better if we give them our money. And, our trade agreements should not be about business profit, but benevolent social action”
American Thinker
James — Uhhhh… So??? That has nothing to do with the G-8 resolution from 2005… You’re still spinning….
Hank posted July 27, 2008 at 4:06 pm
“Kinda like a debate?”
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No it’s education.
Facts and solutions,
http://www.wecansolveit.org/
versus
falsehoods about AGW and the solutions, spread by fossil-fuel and ideological groups.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
effrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.’s “Millennium Project, from the review his book on Amazon.com:
“Celebrated economist Jeffrey Sachs has a plan to eliminate extreme poverty around the world by 2025. If you think that is too ambitious or wildly unrealistic, you need to read this book. His focus is on the one billion poorest individuals around the world who are caught in a poverty trap of disease, physical isolation, environmental stress, political instability, and lack of access to capital, technology, medicine, and education. The goal is to help these people reach the first rung on the “ladder of economic development” so they can rise above mere subsistence level and achieve some control over their economic futures and their lives. To do this, Sachs proposes nine specific steps, which he explains in great detail in The End of Poverty. Though his plan certainly requires the help of rich nations, the financial assistance Sachs calls for is surprisingly modest–more than is now provided, but within the bounds of what has been promised in the past. For the U.S., for instance, it would mean raising foreign aid from just 0.14 percent of GNP to 0.7 percent. Sachs does not view such help as a handout but rather an investment in global economic growth that will add to the security of all nations. In presenting his argument, he offers a comprehensive education on global economics, including why globalization should be embraced rather than fought, why international institutions such as the United Nations, International Monetary Fund, and World Bank need to play a strong role in this effort, and the reasons why extreme poverty exists in the midst of great wealth. He also shatters some persistent myths about poor people and shows how developing nations can do more to help themselves.
Despite some crushing statistics, The End of Poverty is a hopeful book. Based on a tremendous amount of data and his own experiences working as an economic advisor to the UN and several individual nations, Sachs makes a strong moral, economic, and political case for why countries and individuals should battle poverty with the same commitment and focus normally reserved for waging war. This important book not only makes the end of poverty seem realistic, but in the best interest of everyone on the planet, rich and poor alike. –Shawn Carkonen
The End of Poverty: Economic Possibilities for Our Time (Hardcover)
by Jeffrey D. Sachs (Author)
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S.2433 introduced and sponsored by Obama, REQUIRES THAT THE U.S. meet the 35 year old mandate of 0.7 percent of GDP just as Sachs outline in his book.
I proved it Chas and you are a worthless, shiftless person for not doing your own research.
It’s there, in black and white, plain as day, extremely obvious, outlined, bolded and spelled out in unequivocal, non-confusing detail, so easy you can understand it Chas.
But I know you’ll just keep arm flailing and refusing to accept that you are wrong, even though the details have been carefully explained to you and the sources presented.
Chas, you are a moron.
‘Another GOP Oil-Drilling Myth Is Born!‘
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/another_oildrilling_myth_is_bo.php
“Well here’s another outlandish oil-drilling line: If not for the Dems in Congress, gas would cost two bucks a gallon!
…
In the case of ANWR, a Department of Energy study this past May found that drilling there could potentially lower the price of a barrel of oil by a mere 75 cents — only enough to lower the price of a gallon of gas by about two cents, and it would take until the year 2025. Proposed offshore drilling plans for other areas have yielded similar numbers, too.
Oh well. Lowering the price by two dollars, or two cents — what’s the difference?”
James, where is your FALSE connection to the G-8 Resolution from 2005?? I see nothing in your “book review” posting about that… All I see is some phony connections to U.N. commmittments that go back some 35 years… LONG before Obama…. LONG before BushCo….
And I see that the committment involves LESS than 1% of our Gross Domestic Product… LESS THAN ONE PERCENT!!! Like it is a huge amount??? Come on, you can do better than this horse hockey!!
“Ummmmm yea, I threw (not through) it out there”
Oh, you mean nit picking like that Chas, is that what you mean? Did you simply make that point as an example of nit picking….or Chas are you nit picking.
Get the log out.
‘Before Fossil Fuels, Earth’s Minerals Kept CO2 in Check‘
http://www.ciw.edu/news/fossil_fuels_earth_s_minerals_kept_co2_check
“Over millions of years carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have been moderated by a finely tuned natural feedback system—a system that human emissions have recently overwhelmed. A joint University of Hawaii/Carnegie Institution study published in the advance online edition of Nature Geoscience links the pre-human stability to connections between carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the breakdown of minerals in the Earth’s crust. While the process occurs far too slowly to have halted the historical buildup of carbon dioxide from human sources, the finding gives scientists new insights into the complexities of the carbon cycle.
[snip]
Carbon dioxide is added naturally to the atmosphere and oceans from volcanoes and hydrothermal vents at a rate of about 0.1 billion tons of carbon each year. Human industrial activity and destruction of forests is adding carbon about 100 times faster, approximately 10 billion tons of carbon each year.
“The imbalance in the carbon cycle that we are creating with our emissions is huge compared to the kinds of imbalances seen over the time of the glacial ice core records,” says Caldeira. “We are emitting CO2 far too fast to expect mother nature to mop up our mess anytime soon. Continued burning of coal, oil and gas will result in long-term changes to our climate and to ocean chemistry, lasting many thousands of years.” ”
More at link.
“Continued burning of coal, oil and gas will result in long-term changes to our climate and to ocean chemistry, lasting many thousands of years.”
And not burning coal, oil and gas will result in long-term changes like the downfall of economies and nations, untold human misery and death….but what the hey, we’re global warming scientists (hysterics really) and a little death and destruction is fine with us. Our mantra is “Hummmmm….back to the stone age….Hummmmm”
“Ummmmm yea, I threw (not through) it out there”
THAT was an example…. especially for perfectiionism idiots like you who demand it from all others… but not from yourself!! LOL
Own it, Boxy!! Ya just cant chalk that one up to a typo!!
Chas, you’re the nit-picker, and are too ignorant to even keep yourself from it when chastising others for it.
And you can’t “chalk that one up to” an example either. Ha!, what a joke.
Oh, hang in there brother, if you just learn to be a little nicer you’ll be okay….marginally, but okay.
Ooops, 65 degrees, on 68. Mea culpa.
not 68
“The House version of the bill (H.R.1302) passed by a unanimous voice vote last September 25.”
Would that UNANIMOUS House vote include Republicans?
“REQUIRES THAT THE U.S. meet the 35 year old mandate of 0.7 percent of GDP.”
Where in the bill does it specify 0.7% of our GDP? Where in the bill does in make a specific requirement for monetary expenditures?
Again……………………..
“AmWay, if you are going to copy and paste, at least do it for my entire post.”
I am not sure why you are repeatedly posting the same cut and paste, but have at it.
Yeah, I wished some of you “compassionate conservatives” dead – not much difference than the conservatives that wanted me tried for treason or sedition for my opposition to the War on Iraq.
But, if it floats your boat, AmWay, go for it.
By the way, I have been waiting by my window, when will the cops be showing up?
Why are you wishing them dead, WS, when they already are?
http://www.tatuagemdaboa.com.br/
especially for boxlicker.
Since this is an open thread – and I know it aggravates some of the conservatives – but, I hate to brag, but I made a kick ass dinner for my family tonight – Philly Cheese Steak sandwiches with home-breaded fried okra and chips.
Dang.
Philly cheese steaks, lean sirloin, sauteed with onions and green peppers, seasoned and covered with melted Provolone cheese, served on Kaiser buns with pickled peppers.
Rock on!
Damn, I’m good!
(Sorry conservatives, but liberals eat better than you do.)
If memory serves…
Didn’t “Boxlock” get caught with his pants down posting before? Busted in lies. Twice I think?
Starting to develop a pattern there!
OK, AmWay…. knock it off, idiot!!
Once again, for the blogger most likely to surpass Fleetwood for the Blog’s Dumbest Poster Award ……………………..
“AmWay, if you are going to copy and paste, at least do it for my entire post.”
I am not sure why you are repeatedly posting the same cut and paste, but have at it.
Yeah, I wished some of you “compassionate conservatives” dead – not much difference than the conservatives that wanted me tried for treason or sedition for my opposition to the War on Iraq.
But, if it floats your boat, AmWay, go for it.
By the way, I have been waiting by my window, when will the cops be showing up?
You know how in Revelations, the Fundy Christians believe that a ‘peacekeeper’ messiah type will come into power and actually be the ‘antichrist’….you know in the whole Jews will convert or die prophesy?
So here’s my challenge to Christians who are always trying to influence policy based on their bible prophesy beliefs. McCain is obviously not a peacekeeper and a savior type…so if you really want the rapture to come…vote for OBAMA.
I’ve decided that’s why they’re calling him Obamessiah.
“BlueJay” asks –
“Didn’t “Boxlock” get caught with his pants down posting before?”
I’m not sure whether his pants were down (and really don’t want to know), but “Boxlock” sent some pretty steamy homoerotic messages to “American_Way” last night.
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Chas
Posted July 27, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
James, where is your FALSE connection to the G-8 Resolution from 2005?? I see nothing in your “book review” posting about that… All I see is some phony connections to U.N. commmittments that go back some 35 years… LONG before Obama…. LONG before BushCo….
And I see that the committment involves LESS than 1% of our Gross Domestic Product… LESS THAN ONE PERCENT!!! Like it is a huge amount??? Come on, you can do better than this horse hockey!!
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Chas, you truly are a moron. Clark is the one who brought up the G8 2005 resolution and those figures.
Obama wants to fulfill the wish of the U.N. resolution of 35 years ago by making it mandantory.
Admit it Chas, you go your clock cleaned and your ass kicked on this subject.
I’ll regard any other comment on this matter as a result of the thorough ass beating I just gave you.
MonkeyHawk, why don’t you tell the blog just exactly what is a ” homoerotic message”.
And exactly why is that signicant?
We all know now why MonkeyHawk is a failed radio talk show host.
“Obama wants to fulfill the wish of the U.N. resolution of 35 years ago by making it mandantory.”
Copy and paste the section from the bill where the bill (with unanimous support from the House, including all Republicans) made any mandatory requirements based on GDP or a specific dollar figure.
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WSClark
Posted July 27, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
“Obama wants to fulfill the wish of the U.N. resolution of 35 years ago by making it mandantory.”
Copy and paste the section from the bill where the bill (with unanimous support from the House, including all Republicans) made any mandatory requirements based on GDP or a specific dollar figure.
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You’re just out doing your own stupidity aren’t you Clark?
One more time – the bill would make it mandatory for the POTUS to comply with the Millennium Project.
The Millennium Project goals have already been outline in previous posts and the desires of the U.N. “Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.’s “Millennium Project,” says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends.”
With Obama’s legislation, the U.S. will be required to pay that amount.
I think even a two year old can understand that Clark. This has been explained over and over now.
Any other excuses on this subject will be regarded as typical stupid Lib tricks from even dumber Liberal posters.
Image of the day –
http://tinyurl.com/6qxx64
I’m sorry Clark,
What you just described was a snack. It would probably tide one over until supper but it’s still merely a snack.
Where to start? Last night we had ham, fried okra and a cucumber salad. Okra that I picked in the garden yesterday morning with the dew still on it. Cucumbers, onions and fresh picked Roma tomatoes in the salad, all from the garden. A little red wine vinegar and EVOO for the dressing.
This morning was my turn, after feeding the animals I picked three medium green tomatoes, sliced them 1/3 inch thick and soaked them in buttermilk while I watched ‘Burn Notice’. I fried up some hog jowl bacon from Yoder and popped some buttermilk whomp biscuits in the oven while I fried the green tomatoes in flour, egg and corn meal. Three eggs over easy a little homemade sand plum jelly for the biscuits and there’s your breakfast.
Tonight Joyce made egg plant Parmesan with egg plants I picked from the garden last night. Served with rice and home made tomato sauce. The tomato sauce made with all fresh ingredients from the garden. Fresh picked Roma tomatoes, bell peppers and onions. Store bought mushrooms from Dillon’s bargain bin and herbs from her herb garden.
Served with a nice wine with coffee afterwards.
I’m not saying you’re not eating good, I’m just saying I ain’t jealous!
“I think even a two year old can understand that Clark. This has been explained over and over now.”
The word “mandatory” is not in the bill.
Copy and paste where the bill makes any mention of a “mandatory” expenditure.
“I think even a two year old can understand that Clark. This has been explained over and over now.”
Oh yeah, and why did ALL of the House Republicans vote for this bill?
Eh?
“What you just described was a snack. It would probably tide one over until supper but it’s still merely a snack.”
A snack?
You obviously have never had one of my Philly Steak sandwiches.
It’s a meal on a Kaiser roll………….
Well, maybe Clark,
Now the only meal I know on a ‘roll’ is one of my wife’s Jimmy Buff’ sandwiches. Italian sausage, onions, peppers all on pizza bread with a little tomato gravy.
Served open faced you will be five or six bites into it before you discover the bread!
“Tonight Joyce made egg plant Parmesan with egg plants I picked from the garden last night”
Now for that, I could put aside our political and social differences for.
Ever been to Cascone’s Italian Restaurant in KC? They make the best Egg Plant Parmesan west of New York City.
My family does not like Egg Plant – wimps – so if I want good Egg Plant Parmesan, I have to go to KC.
Damn.
Evidently Clark, you never have taken any contract classes or probably don’t read any of the contracts you sign.
This bill by Obama is presented before the Senate and not the house.
From the Bill at Thomas Government servers:
SEC. 5. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act:
(1) APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES- The term `appropriate congressional committees’ means–
(A) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Appropriations of the Senate; and
(B) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Appropriations of the House of Representatives.
(2) EXTREME GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `extreme global poverty’ refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $1 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.
(3) GLOBAL POVERTY- The term `global poverty’ refers to the conditions in which individuals live on less than $2 per day, adjusted for purchasing power parity in 1993 United States dollars, according to World Bank statistics.
(4) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals’ means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).
Obama’s Amendment
Amend the title so as to read: `An Act to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.’.
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Require means mandatory, a must, no choice, that is, to comply with the Millennium Act as defined by the United Nations (already explained over and over).
You are a moron Clark, just admit you’re wrong on the matter.
I’m not the only one who interprets it this way. The interpretation of the consequence has been viewed this way around the world and it is quite apparent what the intent of the legislation is.
I’m sorry you’re too dumb to understand the legislative process Clark and sorry you cannot comprehend the language of a Senate bill and what it means when it “requires.”
“Now the only meal I know on a ‘roll’ is one of my wife’s Jimmy Buff’ sandwiches. Italian sausage, onions, peppers all on pizza bread with a little tomato gravy.”
Now, don’t get me started – I make a wicked Cajun style sausage and peppers Hero.
Damn, I’m getting hungry and I just polished off a Philly Steak sandwich…………..
“I’m sure you mother is proud of your 30 years of drug abuse Clark”
Funny that you should mention my mother – today would have been her 91st birthday – she died two three years ago after a twenty year battle with cancer.
As for my family – they all love me.
I had T-bone with T-bone for supper…cows are so darn cute, especially on a plate.
“You are a moron Clark, just admit you’re wrong on the matter.”
Not that I agree with your interpretation, McIdiot, but if the bill is SOOOOOO bad, why did ALL of the Republican house members vote FOR it?
Remember, it passed UNANIMOUSLY in the House last September.
Dumbass.
“But as a Level III drug and alcohol counselor, I’d bet yours isn’t.”
Wanna bet your house v. mine on that one, loser?
Like I suggested to you earlier in the day Regular, you are on the wrong forum to beat this horse. Obama co-sponsored the legislation in the senate, and is a big supporter of upping the federal trough to provide welfare worldwide.
I agree we have zero funds to pay for this (as I stated earlier today and mentioned Iraq for the non readers I knew would follow).
But as I said to libs its ok to have deficit spending and spending bills beyond the revenue available – as long as its something they approve of. They are silent on the national debt when it comes to their programs.
The agenda of the Obama’s Millennium Act:
Obama`s Global Poverty Act includes the United Nations Millennium Declaration?
The United Nations` Millennium Declaration commits to banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment) and ratifying a series of treaties such as International Criminal Court and Kioto Protocol (Global warming). Cliff Kincaid reports that Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the U.N.`s Millennium Project, confirms a United Nations plan to force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas, this doesn`t include private donations from U.S. citizens
* Banning small arms and light weapons (U.S. Constitution`s 2nd amendment)
* Ratifying the treaty International Criminal Court
* Ratifying the treaty Kyoto Protocol (Global warming).
* Force U.S. citizens to pay 0.07 of Gross National Product, which would add about $65 billions a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas
Wake up people!
This is the real agenda of the Millennium Declaration. It is to act as a World Governing and Tax agency.
Obama’s legislation would give the money and the power over to signatories of the Millennium Act to punish any member stations not complying with excessive fine, taking them to International court and seizing funds and assets internationally.
Want to give up your guns and then be subject to U.N. rules and taxes in one motion? Then do nothing and let Obama’s legislation pass which will require the POTUS to make a plan to be complicit with U.N. desires and whims.
Next Clark will be pulling out his crank and telling me it’s bigger than mine. All grown up, but still a little boy at heart.
Oh my, I can’t believe what’s happened. After considering all the DemLibs have to offer I have decided to vote Democrat…I mean it makes so much more ’since’. And here’s why:
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.
I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don’t have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don’t want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.
I’m voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I’ve decided to marry my horse and I want the tax benefits of marriage.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.
Makes ya wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn’t it?
Not that I agree with your interpretation, McIdiot, but if the bill is SOOOOOO bad, why did ALL of the Republican house members vote FOR it?
“Next Clark will be pulling out his crank and telling me it’s bigger than mine.”
Naw, but I can give you the phone numbers of a few of my ex-girlfriends.
Sand Plum Jelly?? *perk*
Are the sand plums ready to pick?
Boxlock it’s not just the tax benefits of marrying the horse – it’s the healthcare!
Sigh, once again……………..
Not that I agree with your interpretation, McIdiot, but if the bill is SOOOOOO bad, why did ALL of the Republican house members vote FOR it?
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Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink
Not that I agree with your interpretation, McIdiot, but if the bill is SOOOOOO bad, why did ALL of the Republican house members vote FOR it?
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You are truly an idiot Clark.
As I have told you about the fourth time, this is a Senate bill.
This is a Senate Bill sponsored and promoted by Obama.
House members, Republican or Democrat DO NOT VOTE ON SENATE BILLS.
Moron
I don’t care WHO voted for the bill – any legislation which increases spending without a clear revenue source is a bad bill. Republican and Democrat alike.
You think the bailout of the subprime is a mess? Just look at the FEDERAL unsecured loans which is going to mortgage this nation into it’s death bed.
Politicians must learn to say no.
Never been to Cascone’s. We go to Jasper’s. Very good Sicilian items on the menu. Where’s Cascone’s?
“Do you libs find this offensive? If so I will stop posting it”
I don’t find it a bit offensive. My sentiments exactly.
Oh and boxy? Where did you lift that last?
Since you are ya know, kinda known for that?
“As I have told you about the fourth time, this is a Senate bill.”
Sigh………………..
For a bill to be passed, it has to gain a majority in BOTH Houses. This bill has already passed the House, last September.
Moron.
WS, I’m glad you enjoyed your dinner but letting us know you enjoyed it is as far as it should have gone. To assume (as in my asinine thinking) that liberals eat better than conservatives is…well, just as I said, asinine.
We conservatives at my house this evening had fresh grilled salmon, sauteed in olive oil and herbs, with roasting ears, actually roasted on the grill and coated in butter, salad, with home grown green peppers and tomatoes, along with a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon, (I know, it doesn’t go with fish but we like red wine), and a desert of vanilla ice cream and chocolate cake.
No WS, you ‘libs’ have nothing on conservatives, except stupidity and presumptuousness.
“Naw, but I can give you the phone numbers of a few of my ex-girlfriends.”
WSClark has a lot of EX-girlfriends, they won’t date him over once.
Clark, are you sure you didn’t pay them to be with you the first time as well?
Cascone’s Italian Restaurant
3737 N Oak Trfy , Kansas City , MO , 64116-2778
This family run Italian eatery has made a name for itself with homemade Italian specialties since the 1950s.
“If you go there, watch out for Michael, Virgil “the Turk” Sollozzo and Capt. McCluskey.”
In case of a few wild eye liberals don’ believe me and want to see the text of the Millenium Act, here it is.
http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.pdf
Also
The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid’s column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
AIM Says Media Cover-Up Obama’s Socialist-Oriented Global Tax Bill
WASHINGTON, February 13, 2008 — Accuracy in Media editor Cliff Kincaid disclosed today that a hugely expensive bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic Senator Barack Obama, was quickly passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. Kincaid said that the major media’s cover-up of the bill, which makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations, demonstrates the media’s desire to see Senator Obama elected to the presidency.
In a column posted on the AIM web site, Kincaid noted that Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was trying to rush Obama’s “Global Poverty Act” (S. 2433) through his committee without hearings. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. It was scheduled for a Thursday vote but was moved up a day, to Wednesday, and rushed through by voice vote. Kincaid learned, however, that conservative Senators have now put a “hold” on the legislation, in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.
The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid’s column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.
Cattle: been makin’ fine boots and fine meals since….we decided to bust a cap in ones a$$…savor the flavor..
“WSClark has a lot of EX-girlfriends, they won’t date him over once.
Clark, are you sure you didn’t pay them to be with you the first time as well?”
Yes, I have MANY ex-girlfriends, most of whom would like to have me back again, at least for a few nights.
But, I am a love ‘em and leave ‘em type.
Sorry, that’s just me – twice divorced, you know.
Hell, both my ex-wives want me back………..
“Clark, are you sure you didn’t pay them to be with you the first time as well?”
The only times I have PAID for sex is through divorce settlements.
And that totals about $150,000…………
And that is why I will never marry again.
WS,
Whoa, that’s a lot of jack…jack, I mean WS. It’s hard to get ahead financially when it’s all going to ex’s.
Got my sympathy there, I guess.
But man, maybe you should examine why that’s happened.
I’m not asking questions expecting answers, that’s your business, I’m just suggesting you examine.
Marriage is about commitment, though good and bad, and has the added advantage of being cheaper and with less regret staying together than separating.
Sorry about your situation there, but choices result in consequences, good and bad.
I’m lecturing myself more than you, you just provided the opportunity, so I guess I should say thanks.
As much as I enjoy the witty banter with you fine people – ok, most of the wit comes from yours truly…..
I’m taking a much deserved respite from the toils of making the world a better place. Sunny California – a day in Napa, another in Davis, then the balance of the week in Lake Tahoe.
See y’all in a week. =)
DA – while I’m gone, here’s some homework: learn to smile.
=)
“American_Way” gets all homoerotic with –
“…pulling out his crank and telling me it’s bigger…”
Careful. You’re making “Boxlock” hot.
You are gonna need that two seat deal for the airline there roundboy.
KSGolfnut,
Have a great time….be safe and come back and give us heck, smiling, on the blog when rested.
:lol:
Monkey, you are really pathetic, and I think you know it as well as I and everyone here.
You insinuate my sexual preference and by doing so reveal just where your mind is.
Isn’t it interesting that the Monkey will defend homosexual ‘marriage’, of which there is no such thing, and at the same time throw it out as a derogatory insinuation towards others.
Hypocrite!
Monkey….keep both hands on the keyboard now.
Nah, Junior. I’m down to a cool comfortable 210 lbs. Climbed Longs Peak last summer. This year we’re hiking a bit less strenuously around Tahoe.
One seat will be just fine. =)
Your homework, Junior: become relevant.
Here is hoping against your safe return there Goofnut.
Maybe you’ll swallow a horse.
Box, thx.
My homework is you are a sideshow and putting you back there Goof.
Are you on parole? Or simple work release?
I thought one had to be released first in order to be on parole… :-D
“Marriage is about commitment, though good and bad, and has the added advantage of being cheaper and with less regret staying together than separating.”
Commitment to common goals takes two.
My first wife was mentally ill (evidenced later in the marriage) and was unable to make that commitment. She still is mentally ill – my daughter has a PFA against her.
My second wife was lacking in maturity, being quite a bit younger than me (I tend to attract younger women) so she also could not make the necessary commitment.
And now, I just “date.”
No more marriages – no more long term commitments – no more financial devastation.
Two years – see ‘ya.
“I’m down to a cool comfortable 210 lbs”
Cut off one of your legs, did ‘ya, Golfie?
Something is wrong with testicles. He’s like…lost his fight.
But not that massive ego I see. Is that where you’ve been…becoming the man you always portrayed yourself to be?
Where the heck is Parkay anyway when you really need him? I gotta tell him how important it is for him to vote for Obama..you know…so that he can make the rapture come.
Nothing is wrong with me, Pee. I’ve been busy. WEBlog (and any other board) has been a lower priority.
And I’ve lost no fight at all. But this medium is relatively irrelevant.
What ego? I’m just oozing with confidence. =)
Btw, Pee –
It’s humorous that you refer to me with a sexually explicit moniker. And completely understandable. =)
Oh he “oozes” alright. I’ve seen him.
“What ego? I’m just oozing with confidence. =)”
With little reason.
Got a treatment for that halitosis yet, Golfie?
Um..yeah. That’s it. NOT!
BTW which one of you racist haters pulled this one off:
http://www.kansas.com/212/story/475581.html
Listen guys, it’s not nice to make fun of someone’s looks. Not a one of us is perfect by any means.
“it’s not nice to make fun of someone’s look”
Far be it for me to make fun of someone’s looks, but I was just making fun of his breath – something that a good (Rosseel endorsed) REPUBLICAN doctor could handle.
Early flight tomorrow. Bedtime.
Ciao bellas.
Gotta get there early to get seats in the baggage compartment —- ROFL!!!
Couldn’t help but notice that McIdiot could not copy and paste a section from the actual bill bill where Obama dictated that we spend $65 billion per year, to be given to the UN.
I also noticed that McIdiot could not explain why ALL the House Republicans voted FOR the bill last September.
I guess that he is just an idiot.
Clark, its easier for him to just call us stupid, and moron, than to cut/paste stuff… Too much mental stress to do otherwise…
ROFL!!!
“Too much mental stress to do otherwise…”
Conservative means – never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Ha!
How true, WS, how true!!
Nite all!!
Good night; Good luck; God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!!
So mote it be!!
take time with a wounded hand, cuz it likes to heal,
take time with a wounded hand, yes I like to steal
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WSClark
Posted July 27, 2008 at 11:48 pm | Permalink
Couldn’t help but notice that McIdiot could not copy and paste a section from the actual bill bill where Obama dictated that we spend $65 billion per year, to be given to the UN.
I also noticed that McIdiot could not explain why ALL the House Republicans voted FOR the bill last September.
I guess that he is just an idiot.
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No one can be this stupid except for Clark and Chas, especially after it has been explained so many times.
Of course that figure is not directly in the bill.
The U.N. Millennium Goals would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spend. That’s 65 billion dollars a year.
The Millennium Goal is mentioned in the bill as the recipient of the funds. The goal has been specified for the United States.
Barak Obama’s Senate amendment to the bill would require that the POTUS adhere to the U.N. Goal.
Ah whatever, Clark and Chas can’t possibly be this stupid that they can’t understand what has been explained over and over to them.
But it appears I’m wrong, Clark and Chas are that stupid.
What is it to you James? You don’t work. You don’t pay taxes.
It really is illustrative. YOU live off of the government. Because of what? You fell down the ramp of a plane?
We need us another civil war in this country. Those who do against those who have.
I am really pretty disgusted while folks like Hank and James McCluer live high on the hog while I suffer.
I pay taxes just like everyone else. I pay income, state and property taxes.
As I said before, I’ve worked my entire life until I was injured. Then I still worked after I was injured.
Why is it you make it a habit to lie about me on a daily basis Remil?
Are you just a liar Junior?
BlueJay,
For crying out loud man, quit feeling sorry for yourself and hating people because they are more succesful than you.
My goodness, you really don’t have any idea of how small of a person you make yourself sound like with the garbage you post here.
If the day ever comes where this is any “war” and it is between someone like you and someone like me, you don’t stand a snowballs chance in hell.
Yup ya got me beat Nathan.
You can holler “sir YES sir!” and march in the rain at 5 A.M. Surely I have no hope against such stunning intellect.
Police: Suspect’s letter indicates Tenn. church targeted for shooting because of liberal views
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (Associated Press) — Knoxville’s police chief says the man accused of a shooting that killed two people at a Tennessee church targeted the congregation because of its liberal social stance.
Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson’s car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a “stated hatred of the liberal movement.”
Adkisson is charged with first-degree murder. Police say a gunman entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church during a children’s performance Sunday. No children were hurt.
The church is known for advocating women’s and gay rights and founding an American Civil Liberties Union chapter.
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