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`The only certain thing is the science is uncertain’
Lord Lawson on the difficulty of publishing a contrarian book on global warming and why huge cuts in CO2 emissions would be `madness’
`This is my fourth book. I’ve never had any difficulty getting a publisher. In fact, I’ve got the contracts before the books were written. But this one – I couldn’t get a publisher anywhere in this country. it shows the unhelpful and unhealthy climate, in a different sense, there is over this issue.’
Nigel Lawson, former UK chancellor of the exchequer and energy secretary in the 1980s Conservative government, has become a high-profile critic of current orthodoxies on climate change. In a week when the legitimacy of criticising the mainstream view has been called into question following the UK television regulator’s censuring of the Channel 4 documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle, a debate featuring Lawson looked likely to be lively. And so it proved.
Lawson was speaking on Tuesday evening at the latest Bookshop Barnie, a series of rowdy discussions organised by the Future Cities Project at the Waterstones store next to the London School of Economics (LSE). It’s not exactly one of those Borders monsters, over four floors with a Starbucks in the middle. The LSE store is a much smaller affair, with the walls lined with serious tomes about economics and social science. But it does make an excellent and intimate venue if you want to have a well-informed row – which is what followed.
The subject of the discussion was Lawson’s book, An Appeal to Reason: A Cool Look at Global Warming. In a cheeky introduction, the chairman of the discussion, Austin Williams, told the audience: `Nigel Lawson, Lord Lawson of Blaby, speaks from a position of eminent authority on the issue of carbon reduction. He was responsible for the biggest reduction in carbon emissions in this country when he presided over the slashing of the coal mining industry.’ Apart from raising laughter, the introduction was a pointed nod to the fact that the old lines of left and right in society have disappeared today, replaced by new divisions over climate change and the environment more broadly.
As a former finance minister, Lawson does not pretend to be an expert on the details of atmospheric physics. But, as he pointed out, many scientists and noisy commentators on the subject have no special expertise in the particular disciplines required to understand climate, either. More importantly, the politicians charged with making the big policy decisions on the subject must do so on the basis of limited knowledge, too.
`The one thing that is absolutely clear about the science is that it isn’t certain, far from it’, began Lawson. That is not to say that there isn’t plenty of common ground between sceptics and mainstream views of the science, as Lawson pointed out. `Most people would agree there have been huge increases in concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere’; `there is no real argument that the major contributor to that has been man, through the burning of carbon’; and `there is no doubt there is such a thing as the greenhouse effect or that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas’.
For Lawson, the real uncertainty is around how big the effect of carbon dioxide will be on temperatures. While the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggests that most of the warming over the past 100 years has been due to human activity, Lawson argued that the consensus isn’t as complete as is usually suggested. He pointed to a survey conducted by the German climate scientist, Hans von Storch – someone who has supported the mainstream view of the science while being critical of much of the presentation of it in the media. The survey asked 500 climate scientists, under strict promise of anonymity, for their view on the debate. Of those surveyed, 70 per cent supported the view that global warming was mostly caused by humans; 30 per cent did not. While science should never be `conducted by a head count’, said Lawson, it is clear that the much-vaunted unanimity is absent.
But Lawson’s real beef is with the other aspects of the IPCC’s report. Moving on to the effects of climate change, Lawson noted that in many respects, the IPCC’s forecasts are not that scary. `Even if you look at the IPCC’s own estimates you find, both in the particular and the general, it really is much less alarming than the flesh-creeping things that are written in the Independent newspaper or by the people who run the IPCC, as opposed to the scientists and economists who produce the reports.’
Lawson pointed out that `there are many benefits as well as harms from global warming. So, what is the net effect?’ On health, the only thing that the IPCC is `virtually certain’ of, said Lawson, is that there will be fewer deaths from cold-related diseases if the planet gets warmer; a rise in temperatures of up to 2.8 degrees would, says the IPCC, be beneficial for food production. These net benefits are declared despite what Lawson called the IPCC’s `very curious treatment of adaptation’ – in other words, the assumption that people would behave pretty much as they do now as temperatures rise, rather than changing the way they live and the crops they grow to suit climatic conditions.
The bottom line for Lawson, drawing out the IPCC’s own conclusions, is that even at the worst end of the projections the IPCC posits as reasonably likely, those who might suffer the most – people in the developing world – would be 8.5 times better off than they are now rather than 9.5 times better off if warming were more limited. There were, concluded Lawson with understatement, worse catastrophes imaginable. …..
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5495/
…….old man, don’t you ever tire of posting the copy/paste anti-science rhetoric every morning.
Global climate change is real. You can post alll of the nonsense you want, it isn’t going to change this fact.
By the way old man, how old is the Earth?
Proof positive GW is real: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/joke/Proof_of_global_warming
I think apophis lingered way too long at that link you provided JMWalker.
Guard Confirms Late-Night Hotel Encounter Between Ex-Sen. John Edwards, Tabloid Reporters
I feel pretty, Oh so Pretty
A Beverly Hills hotel security guard told FOXNews.com he intervened this week between a man he identified as former Sen. John Edwards and tabloid reporters who chased down the former presidential hopeful after what they’re calling a rendezvous with his mistress and love child.
The Beverly Hilton Hotel guard said he encountered a shaken and ashen-faced Edwards — whom he did not immediately recognize — in a hotel men’s room early Tuesday morning in a literal tug-of-war with reporters on the other side of the door.
“What are they saying about me?” the guard said Edwards asked.
“His face just went totally white,” the guard said, when Edwards was told the reporters were shouting out questions about Edwards and Rielle Hunter, a woman the National Enquirer says is the mother of his child.
The guard said he escorted Edwards, who was not a registered guest at the hotel, out of the building after 2 a.m. Edwards did not say anything while he was escorted out, said the guard, adding that at times the reporters on the scene were “rough on him,” sticking a camera in his face and shouting questions.
The guard did not recognize Edwards at the time of the incident, but said he concluded it was the 2008 presidential hopeful after hearing reports about the incident and finding an Enquirer reporter’s notebook at the scene.
The guard said during the chase the reporters had dropped the notebook, which he picked up. “This book has everything in it on him,” he said, referring to Edwards. The guard later confirmed Edwards’ identity after being shown a photograph.
A former campaign staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, told FOXNews.com he wishes he were “more surprised” to hear reports Edwards was visiting Hunter. “I’m definitely upset by it. I wish I was more surprised, though.”
cont’d at
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391426,00.html
U.S. regulators seize two more banks, engineer sale
The FDIC said the 28 offices of the two banks will reopen on Monday as Mutual of Omaha Bank. Over the weekend, customers can access their money by writing checks, using automatic teller machines or debit cards.
Top banking regulators have warned of additional insolvencies this year and next, but for now do not expect failures the size of IndyMac, which had $32 billion in assets and $19 billion in total deposits at the end of March.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2528445020080726?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true
Trans-fats banned in California
Next it will be what you books you read and what clothes you wear
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7526624.stm
Trans-fats are used in many fried and baked foods
California has become the first US state to ban restaurants and food retailers from using trans-fats, which are linked to coronary heart disease.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said the new legislation, which will take effect in 2010, represented a “strong step toward creating a healthier future”.
Violations will incur fines of between $25 (£13) and $1,000 (£502).
Trans-fats are chemically altered vegetable oils, used to give processed foods a longer shelf-life.
Some cities, like New York City, Philadelphia and Seattle, have already banned the fats. Many food makers and restaurant chains have also been experimenting with replacements for oils and foods that contain them.
‘Tremendous benefit’
Trans-fats are produced artificially in a process called hydrogenation which turns liquid oil into solid fat.
They can be used for frying or baking, or put into processed foods and ready-made mixes for cakes and drinks like hot chocolate.
Trans-fats are used because they are cheap, add bulk to products, have a neutral flavour and give products a long shelf-life. They have no nutritional value.
TRANS-FATS
They are partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, turning oily foods into semi-solid foods
Used to extend shelf life of products
Put into pastries, cakes, margarine and some fast foods
Can raise levels of “bad” cholesterol
Even a small reduction in consumption can cut heart disease
They have no nutritional benefit
The US Food and Drug Administration estimates that on average, Americans eat 4.7lb (2.14kg) of trans-fats each year.
A review by the New England Journal of Medicine in 2006 concluded that there was a strong connection between the consumption of trans-fats and coronary heart disease. It found they boosted “bad” cholesterol levels in the body.
The review said that eliminating artificial trans-fats from the food supply could prevent between six and 19% of heart attacks and related deaths each year.
The legislation signed by Mr Schwarzenegger will ban from 1 January 2010 the use of trans-fats in oil, shortening and margarine used in spreads or for frying.
The president of the California Academy of Family Physicians, Jeffrey Luther, said that the law, “when it finally takes effect, will be a tremendous benefit”, adding that there was no safe level of consumption, as with cigarettes.
The California Restaurant Association opposed the ban, but a spokesman said that it had no plans to challenge it in the courts, in part because some restaurants have already begun to phase out trans-fats to satisfy customers.
Good morning Apophis, my memory challenged educator friend,
Actually, in answer to your question, I don’t tire of posting on GW every morning.
Do you ever tire of being little more than a festering sore on the butt of society?
How long has it been since you’ve started the day by bringing us something positive or productive to the BLOG?
I bet you’re a real joy to live with.
Careful Hank, apophis will pull a “Clarkism” on how good looking he is, trim and fit and the best cook in the world. He’ll claim to be the Ghandi of home life and the a off-season Santa Clause to children.
LOL I watched the repeat broadcast of the “executive powers and the Bush Administration” hearing.
Repeatedly it was made clear that it was not a impeachment hearing, the panel was instructed to not refer to anyone by their title. On this I am sure some will agree, it was a total joke! It boiled down to not much more then a “He is a bad man” countered with “I do not think he is a bad man!”.
If one was watching hoping to see real evidence or a real defense it was lacking. The witnesses for the action were simply sighting topics without evidence that it was illegal or in and under what it was illegal.
Those countering were not arguing that it was legal, they would either say they did not see evidence or dismissed it as nothing more than “Its be because you hate Bush!”.
If the intent was to somehow show the American people or the world that we take it seriously.
It only showed that we wish to whistle pass the grave yard and ignore the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. I love the defense of “well he meant well and truly believe that he was right”. Which of course is the acceptable excuse in any court for killing someone that you think may, kind of, sort of, might have done something that there is evidence to lead to it not being the fact.
Something that did come out I had not heard, the NIE on Iraq and its WMDs in 2002 was that both our State department intelligence arm and the U.S. Nuclear regulation agency stated that there was no evidence that Iraq or Saddam was trying or had continued or attempted to gain Nuclear weapons. Both dismissed the tube argument and stated they could not be used in the Nuclear field.
HLP
Posted July 26, 2008 at 7:49 am | Permalink
Good morning Apophis, my memory challenged educator friend,
Actually, in answer to your question, I don’t tire of posting on GW every morning.
Do you ever tire of being little more than a festering sore on the butt of society?
How long has it been since you’ve started the day by bringing us something positive or productive to the BLOG?
I bet you’re a real joy to live with.
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….and YOU think posting your anti-science nonsense is positive?
Apophis
“Global climate change is real. You can post alll of the nonsense you want, it isn’t going to change this fact.”
Very good. As it has always been, since the earth came into being it’s climate has been changing.
The concept that it is warming because of human generated CO2 is highly questionable, and most certainly a load of crap. There’s plenty of real science to indicate that I am correct.
Regular
Posted July 26, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
Careful Hank, apophis will pull a “Clarkism” on how good looking he is, trim and fit and the best cook in the world. He’ll claim to be the Ghandi of home life and the a off-season Santa Clause to children.
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You’re anti-psychotic meds need to be increased I would think McLiar.
Heckler
Posted July 26, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink
Apophis
“Global climate change is real. You can post all of the nonsense you want, it isn’t going to change this fact.”
Very good. As it has always been, since the earth came into being it’s climate has been changing.
The concept that it is warming because of human generated CO2 is highly questionable, and most certainly a load of crap. There’s plenty of real science to indicate that I am correct.
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I hope your “science” IS BETTER than the links old man price posts everyday, because I’m not buying it.
The concept that it is warming because of human generated CO2 is NOT “highly questionable”, it is a fact based on empirical evidence.
Keep up the spin though, it really shows your lack of intelligence.
Apophis, Hank believes the world is just a few thousand years old and you don’t need to worry about global warming because Jesus is coming back in the year 2000 and will solve all the problems. Hank is a joke on these forums, let him embarrass himself further by reminding us daily he’s a scientific illiterate.
“If one was watching hoping to see real evidence or a real defense it was lacking. The witnesses for the action were simply sighting topics without evidence that it was illegal or in and under what it was illegal.”
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I see this as a continuing problem that affects lots of areas our “law” makers delve into. Remember when the majority of members of Congress were lawyers? They had studied the Constitution and the laws of the land and had a better grasp of how to make or change those laws. Nowadays we have the majority who haven’t a clue and they either have lobbyists write the bills or they are so far outside the “law” they won’t stand up to a court challenge.
………….right to the point MP!
Have you noticed though how his fellow science illiterates will start the dogpile, supporting his nonsense?
That’s right apophis, I’m psychotic, so don’t push it. I’m might do something unexpected and crazy.
“….and YOU think posting your anti-science nonsense is positive?”
Well, first we must address the premise of your question. It’s false. Many of my morning posts are concerned with the politics of global warming. They concern the overwhelming financial and social costs that restrictions on CO2 emissions will have on society.
Then, calling them ‘anti-science nonsense’ is little more than a lazy way of trying to discredit them without actually attempting to address their content in any intelligent way.
For an educator, you bring very little to the discussion other than your biased preconceived notions and your hateful attacks on my faith. We should be able to expect more from you.
HLP
Posted July 26, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink
“….and YOU think posting your anti-science nonsense is positive?”
Well, first we must address the premise of your question. It’s false. Many of my morning posts are concerned with the politics of global warming. They concern the overwhelming financial and social costs that restrictions on CO2 emissions will have on society.
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OF COURSE there will be “financial and social costs” to restricting CO2 emissions. I have never claimed otherwise. Of course, what other choice does the human race have but to change?
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Then, calling them ‘anti-science nonsense’ is little more than a lazy way of trying to discredit them without actually attempting to address their content in any intelligent way.
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You have little credibility when it comes to science old man. When you favor your creationist myth over the empirical science supported theory of evolution, you are in the “anti-science” camp. You are therefore not worthy of any “intelligent discussion”.
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For an educator, you bring very little to the discussion other than your biased preconceived notions and your hateful attacks on my faith. We should be able to expect more from you.
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I don’t know what “biased preconceived notions” you think I have, but that is YOUR problem.
WHAT “hateful attacks” have I made on your faith?
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Regular
Posted July 26, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink
That’s right apophis, I’m psychotic, so don’t push it. I’m might do something unexpected and crazy.
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I think James McCluer is overtly threatening to bodily harm to another blogger with this post.
Feeling worried girlie-man apophis?
Been cruising My Space for late night chat sessions with the estudiante apophis?
……………actually, I’m not worried one bit from an old man who uses a quad-cane, lives on the government dole and lives in his sister’s basement.
The editors of the Eagle should be concerned with the likes of James McCluer though.
……………unlike you McLiar, I don’t cruise MySpace sites cruising for little girls as you apparently do at night. I spend my nights sleeping with my wife.
Who do you sleep withMcLiar?
………………I shouldn’t of used “lives” twice in one sentence…………..let’s change it to “RESIDES in his sister’s basement.
In today’s Opinion section JIM GILES, Wichita complains that the United States has 3 percent of the world’s known oil resources, but uses 25 percent of its production.
Interesting because the U.S. also produces approx. 25% of the world’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP):
GDP (millions of USD)
World 54,311,608
Europe European Union 16,830,100
United States United States 13,843,825
13,843,825/54,311,808 = 25.5%
I wonder if the AGW fanatics want to reduce the U.S. GDP to only 3% of the world’s in their quest for lower CO2 release.
Imagine the wonderful lives we would all live consuming only 3% of energy of the world.
It take energy to drive a successful country.
AGW Fanatics = Nitwits
Ah Apophis is so predictable when he lashes out.
(chortles)
…….McLiar is so predictable, he shows I am right on target whenever he posts his (chortles)!
AGW Fanatics = Nitwits
Apophis = AGW Fanatic
so; Apophis = Nitwit
And there are numerable other proofs of that logic.
Boxlock,
Want to see an interesting fact about who the largest oil producers are?
Check it out.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/index.cfm
This one even better.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_energy_data.cfm?fips=US
………how’s that dossier on me going boxtop?
Let me know which BOE you will presenting it at so I can go watch the comedy show?
….speaking of being a nitwit!
Apo
“The Knutson study follows one published by prominent global warming alarmist Kerry Emanuel and two other scientists.
The Emanuel study, published in the March 2008 issue of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, concluded, “A new technique for deriving hurricane climatologies from global data, applied to climate models, indicates that global warming should reduce the global frequency of hurricanes, though their intensity may increase in some locations.”
The study comes as a tremendous concession from Emanuel, who has long stoked media fears of global warming causing more hurricanes.”
snip
“The Emanuel study directly contradicts sensationalist media assertions of global warming being responsible for recent hurricane activity. Assuming the computer models are correct, Emanuel reported, “the greater part of the large increase in power dissipation over the past 27 [years] cannot be ascribed to global warming.” ”
snip
” “When computer models based on SPECULATIVE ASSUMPTIONS (my emphasis) predict one thing but real-world evidence shows exactly the opposite, science tells us we should trust the real-world evidence, Gray noted. ”
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23558
There’s going to be a lot of alarmists going on weight loss programs in coming years from eating all of their own overblown words.
A little bragging from a proud Mom! My son does good work and this funding will help make advances that will benefit mankind.
http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/foundations/articles/glaxosmithkline-and-harvard-stem-cell-institute-announce-major-collaboration-ag
Voter suppression going on in Kansas.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695/three_states_accused_of_illegally_purging_voter_lists_/?page=entire
It’s the only way Republicans can win.
“It’s the only way Republicans can win.”
And voter fraud, including duplicate voting, is one way the Dems try to win.
“And voter fraud, including duplicate voting, is one way the Dems try to win.”
Funny how I can present a link to support my position but you can’t. Well, chalk another one up to Republican honesty.
linda, is your son mentioned in that link?
Maggott
So, insuring the integrity of the process= voter suppression?
Can you show evidence that even one person was not allowed to vote where they were supposed to?
He is! He is that junior faculty member quoted in the final paragraph. Like all Moms are, I’m proud of my son.
Wow. I’ve read where you and bth swap stories about the Charles River, but I never felt free to make the leap to 2 + 2 = 4. So it was Harvard, eh?
Good grief, you’re modest. Congratulations!
Hey you Maggot,
Your link nitwit is to an article showing disagreement….NOT voter suppression. Nothing in it proves that, so your link is worth less that nothing and proves nothing.
Read you own post:
“”We follow the state law that was adopted by our state Legislature,” said Jacques Berry, press secretary for Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne, a Republican. “It supersedes the NVRA.”
“There is a section of the NVRA that they (the voting rights lawyers) interpret differently than we do,” said Brad Bryant, Kansas deputy secretary of state. “It has been this way for 15 years.”"
“Next it will be what you books you read and what clothes you wear”
It won’t end under the government actually provides wholesome meals for every American. Breakfact, Lunch, and Dinner will be dictated by the State.
Any food deemed “Unhealthy” will be banned.
There will be fines and arrests for eating inappropriate items. Smuggling of cheeseburgers and beersticks will become the rage.
Americans simple cannot think for themselves anymore. Government must intervene and become instrusive into every aspect of life.
And thanks to you and your husband, for being such great parents!
(and your son of course!)
The War on Drugs will be superceded by the War on Unhealthy Food.
“So, insuring the integrity of the process= voter suppression?
Can you show evidence that even one person was not allowed to vote where they were supposed to?”
So why the need to violate federal law in order to do so? Simply having the same name as a resident in another state isn’t reason to violate someone’s Constitutional rights.
Just face it. Any election of a Republican will be the result of cheating. Republicans hate America, it’s that simple.
I see there’s still no evidence of Democratic Kansans committing voter fraud like Phill Kline.
You’all can save your breath. It won’t matter anyway. In this morning’s paper, the Phelps lawyer (forgot her name, have already tossed the paper) said the church won’t have to pay taxes on the Ford pickup because the world is going to end soon.
So, see, all that stewing, back-biting, name-calling, etc., is a waste of time. None of us are going to be around to worry about it anyway.
Just want to make sure that where ever the Phelps folks go, I don’t have to go there.
Dennis
Thanks Boxlicker, I didn’t realize Louisiana and Kansas dictated federal law. I’m glad I have a genius like you who figures these things out. Now if you could turn off your stupid switch and present facts for the claims of voter fraud by the Democrats then maybe you won’t look so incompetent.
Why the delay?
Maggott
“So why the need to violate federal law in order to do so? ”
Reference Boxlocks 9:41 post-”“”We follow the state law that was adopted by our state Legislature,” said Jacques Berry, press secretary for Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne, a Republican. “It supersedes the NVRA.”
“There is a section of the NVRA that they (the voting rights lawyers) interpret differently than we do,” said Brad Bryant, Kansas deputy secretary of state. “It has been this way for 15 years.””
So, which law holds sway?
“violate someone’s Constitutional rights.”
Which Constitutional right is that Magg? And can you show me evidence that even ONE person has not been allowed to vote where they are supposed to because of this process?
“Which Constitutional right is that Magg? And can you show me evidence that even ONE person has not been allowed to vote where they are supposed to because of this process?”
That will be revealed on election day won’t it? It’s the same tactics the Republicans used to win Florida in 2000. People with no criminal history were denied the right to vote because their name was matched with a felon in a different state.
Sorry you couldn’t be bothered to keep up with the news.
Good ol’ Ron is playing politics and keeping other party names off the ballot.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/06/27/kansas-reform-party-files-paperwork-to-list-baldwin-as-its-presidential-candidate/
Gotta reduce the competition.
It’s no surprise that Ron has reduced the number of polling locations as well. Not like there was record voter turnout for the Democratic primaries or anything. Anything to discourage voters, it’s the Republican way.
Maggott
“People with no criminal history were denied the right to vote because their name was matched with a felon in a different state.”
How many persons did this happen to? How many of them were not allowed to fill out a provisional ballot?
How does that number compare to the number of persons serving in the military overseas who’s vote was thrown out?
Is Senator Roberts getting desperate? Already having claimed to be out of funds (probably a lie), Roberts blames his opponent, Jim Slattery, for high gas prices. The problem is Slattery hasn’t been in office for 14 years.
Naturally it follows that Roberts went on to vote against efforts to reduce gas prices by opposing the Stop Excessive Energy Speculation Act. I’m suppose Roberts thinks his supports are ignorant of the facts (as is usually seen on this Blog).
Say Cuz Maggot,
Just how long does it take to burn human flesh to ashes?
Is there a lot of shoveling involved afterward?
“How many persons did this happen to? How many of them were not allowed to fill out a provisional ballot?”
Wow, this story is seven years old and you are just hearing of it now? I must commend your ability to remain this ignorant for so long.
maggot
No, I followed it closely. I repeat my questions-
How many persons did this happen to? How many of them were not allowed to fill out a provisional ballot?
How does that number compare to the number of persons serving in the military overseas who’s vote was thrown out?
You shouldnt have any trouble answering them since you are so informed.
You can answer them can’t your? Or is your position total bullchit?
Provisional ballots are counted so why would it matter if someone fills them out or not? But since you claimed to be following the story then you should have the answer? Your pathetic attempt at fooling me with a lie may work on your equally ignorant Republicans but it doesn’t work on me.
Thanks for playing, but I don’t want to distract you from your daily American flag burning.
For the rest of you who choose not to remain as ignorant as the liar Heckler the number Bush and Harris ordered removed from the polls is 57,700. But this issue is 7 years old and only Heckler, the one who claims to be informed about the issue, doesn’t know about it.
Maggott
“For the rest of you who choose not to remain as ignorant as the liar Heckler the number Bush and Harris ordered removed from the polls is 57,700″
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE OF THIS? And how many really were felons who werent allowed by law to vote?
You call me a liar. What have I lied about?
I ask you for the facts to back up your arguement and you call me a liar. Hallmark tactic of a loser.
Maggie, I see you are still full of it. Would persons with the same names as criminals tend to vote Democrat? Jeesh.
Here is an opinion that you can sink your fangs into, instead of whining and making up excuses for losing.
ABLE BODIED citizens who are on welfare should not be able to vote.
Why should an ABLE BODIED person on welfare be eligible to vote? They are a negative, an expense that others citizens must subsidize. That person’s motives in voting would also be suspect.
I think the right to vote should be suspended until the person gets off of welfare.
Awww, are the poor conservatives upset that they have been made to look like idiots again? Maybe the reasons Republicans need to fix elections is they can’t find enough people dumb enough to support them?
Senator Roberts can find enough rich people to donate to him. $2,000 donations just to have breakfast with Roberts in D.C?
“Republicans need to fix elections is they can’t find enough people dumb enough to support them?”
Google ACORN CRIME – so I guess democrats are REALLY dumb!
“Why should an ABLE BODIED person on welfare be eligible to vote?”
Hey outlander? Don’t I remember something in YOUR faith that says something like…
That you doest to the least of ye, you do unto me?
Something like that?
Maybe you can give me chapter and verse. Then maybe tell me how your politics jibes with your faith?
Maggott
You called me a liar. Back it up.
“Google ACORN CRIME – so I guess democrats are REALLY dumb!”
Clicking on the first result I see:
“There are no Articles to display.”
Well, that about sums up the facts Republicans have on their side. Was Amway trying to be clever? Perhaps in the realm of conservative mental prowess he was.
“You called me a liar. Back it up.”
I already did. You claimed you were informed about the issue but your posts proved that you weren’t. You already backed up the fact you are a liar. Need I provide more? You have no credibility.
B.J.
Separation of church and state.
Maggott
Your gonna get dizzy and hit your head with all that spinning buddy. That’s pathetic. You made an assertion and couldnt back it up with fact so you call me a liar.
The only thing you proved is that you got nothing. Including integrity.
Heckler, follows up lies with more lies. Typical Republican. Better not make him too upset he might make a mess in his McCain 2008 diaper.
Ah Yes, another beautiful day on WEBlog. Well, at least SOME of the posters are able to have adult conversation.
Linda, you must be so proud. At least there is an adult conversation.
(moderate this)
Maggott
All you’ve done this morning is pu11chit out of your arrses. When challenged you run in circles and call me a liar. That’s so pre-school. Grow up.
“Separation of church and state.”
Yeah Heckler, I’ve noticed that about you tighty righties.
You pick and choose among the doing unto others.
Outlander says that the least among us should have no political voice. Oh but HE will be the first to pipe up and tell the same folk they aint right with “God” and offer advice on how they can get that way.
“Was Amway trying to be clever?”
Do I have to do everything for you Maggot?
Workers accused of concocting the biggest voter-registration-fraud scheme in state history said they were under pressure from the community-organizing group that hired them to sign up more voters, according to charging papers filed Thursday.
To boost their output, the defendants allegedly went to the downtown Seattle Public Library, where they filled out voter-registration forms using names they made up or found in phone books, newspapers and baby-naming books.
One defendant “said it was hard work making up all those cards,” and another “said he would often sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out cards,” according to a probable-cause statement written by King County sheriff’s Detective Christopher Johnson.
Prosecutors in King and Pierce counties filed felony charges Thursday against seven employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, claiming they turned in more than 1,800 phony voter-registration forms, including an estimated 55 in Pierce County.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003808207_votefraud27m.html
Use a little thoughtfulness when you use Google.
Try ACORN convicted ACORN charged ACORN voter fraud. Or even ACORN and OBAMA (he was a lawyer ya know)
Shall I post a dozen or so articles from across the country of ACORN and voter fraud over the years in a large number of campaigns?
Your call Maggotpunk. Save me the trouble and admit democrats wrote the book on voter fraud.
“The War on Drugs will be superceded by the War on Unhealthy Food.” — America Pays.
That would at least make some sense. Coca Cola kills more people in a week than all the illegal drugs combined do in a year.
The Acorn Indictments
A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud.
Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST
So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?
We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
The good news for anyone who cares about voter integrity is that the Justice Department finally seems poised to connect these dots instead of dismissing such revelations as the work of a few yahoos. After the federal indictments were handed up in Kansas City this week, the U.S. Attorney’s office said in a statement that “This national investigation is very much ongoing.”
Let’s hope so. Acorn officials bill themselves as nonpartisan community organizers merely interested in giving a voice to minorities and the poor.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
Three of seven defendants in the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history have pleaded guilty and one has been sentenced, prosecutors said Monday.
The defendants were all temporary employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, when they allegedly filled out and submitted more than 1,800 fictitious voter-registration cards during a 2006 registration drive in King and Pierce counties.
ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted In Wisconsin And Colorado, Under Investigation In Three Other States. “We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.” (”The ACORN Indictments,” Wall Street Journal Online, November 3, 2006)
1,492 fraudulent registrations were submitted by ACORN in St. Louis, Missouri including a 16-year-old and deceased individuals. “The St. Louis Election Board says it has received close to 1,500 voter registration cards leading up to the deadline of registration that appear to be frauds, including some from dead people, and at least one from a 16-year-old girl.” (Jeff Douglas, “Voter registration fraud alleged in St. Louis,” The Associated Press, 10/11/06)
Eight former ACORN employees in Missouri pleaded guilty to fraud. Eight workers for a get-out-the-vote effort in St.Louis city and county have pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election, authorities said Wednesday. The workers were employed by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to gather voter registrations. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures. Each faces up to five years in prison and thousands of dollars in fines. The organization has said the former, temporary hourly workers were likely trying to increase their pay by turning in more, albeit, false applications. (”Ex-ACORN workers plead guilty to fraud”, Columbia Tribune, 4/6/08)
ü A federal judge today sentenced the last of four defendants indicted for voter registration fraud on the eve of the 2006 elections. Kwaim A. Stenson was sentenced to four months and five days. He will report to a half-way house in Springfield next week. Other defendants in the case also received light sentences. For example, Brian Gardner and Dale D. Franklin received probation, while Carmen R. Davis was sentenced to 120 days in a halfway house. (”Voter fraud defendant sentenced”, The Kansas City Star, 09/05/07,)
ü 4 voter registration recruiters indicted on fraud charges. All four face two felony counts each of “knowingly and willingly” filing false information. The charge carries maximum penalties of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. as many as 15,000 recently submitted voter registrations could be “questionable,” which they define as duplicates, unreadable applications or containing information that doesn’t match other existing records. Last week the board chairwoman, Melodie Powell, said the board had turned the investigation of the questionable cards over to local and federal authorities. (Dave Helling, “False voter registrations allegedly submitted; Four who have been indicted had worked as registration recruiters for ACORN group,” The Kansas City Star, 11/2/06)
“Election Officials In Three Of Ohio’s Largest Counties Have Cited Problems With Hundreds Of Voter Registration Cards. ACORN Is Accused Of Submitting Cards With Nonexistent Addresses, Forged Signatures And, In One Case, For Someone Who Died Seven Years Ago.” (Andrew Welsh-Huggins, “Voter Fraud Allegations Still Tripping Up Voting Rights Group,” The Associated Press, 10/2/06)
ACORN
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
Community Organization
Obama
HEHEHEHE
What Maggotpunk wrote:
“Maybe the reasons Republicans need to fix elections is they can’t find enough people dumb enough to support them?”
What Maggotpunk implies:
Maybe the reasons democrats need to fix elections is they can’t find enough people dumb enough to support them?
(smirking)
B.J.
“Outlander says that the least among us should have no political voice.”
No, that’s not what he said.
“ABLE BODIED citizens who are on welfare should not be able to vote.
Why should an ABLE BODIED person on welfare be eligible to vote? They are a negative, an expense that others citizens must subsidize. That person’s motives in voting would also be suspect.”
The least among us would not be the ABLE BODIED. It would be those who cannot care for themselves.
I agree with Outlander on this. If for no other reason than it makes people like you shoot blood out of their eyes.
And finally on the subject of criminal activity by ACORN, who do you suppose comes to their defense?
But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through “direct action.” It’s sometimes a code for illegal activities.
Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person — meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.
Since he graduated from law school, Obama’s work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/datelinedc/s_488184.html
Maggot…what a dumbass.
Evidence of Voter Fraud and the Impact that Regulations to Reduce …
http://www.vote.caltech.edu/VoterID/ssrn-id925611.pdf
My brother and his family are Virginia bound next weekend, to visit me, so I’ve got lots to do today and tomorrow to get things ready.
One last thing, and it’s not political.
Anybody remember the old quiz show scandals from the 1950s? A fictionalized account of how the television quiz show “21″ was scripted was presented in the 1994 Robert Redford film, Quiz Show. Anybody remember that movie? It starred John Turturro as Herb Stempel and Ralph Fiennes as Charles Van Doren.
In 1956 the producers of the television quiz show “21,” Dan Enright and Jack Berry, had a problem with declining ratings. They were convinced that the problem’s solution lay in scripting (fixing) the outcome of the contest in “21.” They had become convinced that canned drama, not real life, was what drove growth and retention in viewing audiences (quite the opposite thinking holds today in primetime broadcast television). To that end they coached both current and future contestants on their quiz shows, including “Tic Tac Dough” and “21.”
Why did the person scripted to lose agree to this, you might ask. Well, they threatened to withhold the loser’s winnings if they didn’t play along. Of course this corrupt scheme blew up in Barry’s and Enright’s face, resulting in Congressional hearings, ruined careers, and Hollywood movies.
If you are a baby boomer like me this whole thing is endlessly fascinating. Actually, I think it’s pretty interesting no matter when you were born.
My point is this, and then I’m out of here. Charles Van Doren, the guy who in real life ‘beat’ Herb Stempel on Dec 5, 1956, writes about it in the July 28, 2008, edition of The New Yorker. I believe it’s the first time he’s written or spoken about this.
If you, too, find this interesting, you might head to the library or to your local newsstand to pick up a copy to read. The article isn’t available online, and for good reason: it’s fascinating. It is a quite a piece of writing by Van Doren. Highly recommended for your weekend downtime reading.
“ACORN is a non-profit, non-partisan social justice organization”
Non-partisan doesn’t equal Democratic Party. Well, that’s my quota of debunking Republican lies for the day, have a wedding to go to.
Maggot
Have a Grand Delusion.
Maybe I think outlander’s or YOUR motives in voting are suspect there Heckler.
Yeah, actually, I do.
Maybe I think outlander should not vote because he believes in some old man in the sky that no one can see. Maybe outlander is delusional.
What outlander would like to do is go to the people who have nothing and take away even their voice in politics. THEN maybe he can herd them into his church and tell them why it is all their fault.
“doesn’t equal Democratic Party.”
If you are correct Maggot, please provide me a list of republican candidates ACORN has endorsed locally, state, or national in any campaign.
Go stew at the wedding.
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ACORN’s Questionable Activities in just ONE state:
Former Minnesota ACORN Employee’s Car Contained Hundreds Of Voter Registration Cards In Trunk. “When police at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport stopped a man for running a stop sign late last month, they found an unusual stash in his car trunk: More than 300 voter registration cards that had been filled out but never submitted to the Minnesota secretary of state. The motorist allegedly told police that he was an ex-employeeof ACORN…” (Patrick Sweeney, “Stash Of Voter Cards Probed,” Saint Paul Pioneer Press, 10/8/04)
ACORN Employee Charged With Felony For Not Turning In Cards. “A man arrested in late September with more than 300 completed voter registration cards in the trunk of his car was accused Friday of committing a felony offense for allegedly failing to turn in the cards to election officials promptly.” (Patrick Sweeney, “Voter Registration Cards Bring Felony Charge,” Saint Paul Pioneer Press, 10/16/04)
Same Ex-ACORN Employee Faced Felony Drug Charges And Misdemeanor Shoplifting Charge. “The man stopped at the airport is Joshua Reed, 19, of St. Louis Park. He faces two unrelated criminal charges, a felony drug case in Hennepin County and a misdemeanor shoplifting case being prosecuted by the St. Louis Park city attorney.” (Patrick Sweeney, “Stash Of Voter Cards Probed,” Saint Paul Pioneer Press, 10/8/04)
Worker Said He Was Fired For Copying Cards, But ACORN Disputed Claim. “Much of what is publicly known about the case comes from a memo written by Bert Black, a legal analyst in Kiffmeyer’s office. In the memo, Black said investigators told him that Reed ‘indicated he had been fired from ACORN for making copies of the cards.’ Becky Gomer, the head organizer in Minnesota for ACORN, denied that Reed was discharged for copying cards. ‘That’s absolutely not true,’ she said. She said Reed was one of a number of canvassers whom ACORN paid $1 for each new voter registration they secured and, she said, ACORN supervisors discharged him because representatives of the county attorney warned ACORN that they suspected he was registering some voters twice to double his fee. ‘So we let him go,’ she said.” (Patrick Sweeney, “Stash Of Voter Cards Probed,” Saint Paul Pioneer Press, 10/8/04)
ACORN Worker Pleaded Guilty To Two Felonies. “A man who was arrested in late
September with hundreds of filled-out voter registration cards in the trunk of his car pleaded guilty Monday in Hennepin County District Court to two felonies. Joshua Reed,19, of St. Louis Park admitted failing to promptly turn over the voter registration cards to the Secretary of State or to a county auditor, and admitted forging signatures on 18 other voter registration cards. Reed faces sentencing Jan. 20 before Hennepin County District Judge Joanne Graham, according to County Attorney Amy Klobuchar.” (Patrick Sweeney, “Man Pleads Guilty In Vote Card Scam,” Pioneer Press, December 7, 2004)
ACORN Settlement From Minnesota AG Comes Under Question:
ACORN Received $249,999 From Company Under Investigation By Attorney General Mike Hatch; ACORN Later Endorsed Hatch For Governor. “Attorney General Lori Swanson and her predecessor, Mike Hatch, have come under question for their role in a court settlement that diverted money to a nonprofit whose political wing endorsed Hatch’s bid for governor. Legislative Auditor Jim Nobles recently asked Swanson and Hatch to explain the 2006 settlement, which required a credit card company accused of violating consumer protection laws to give $249,999 to a community advocacy organization, Minnesota ACORN. Its political action committee endorsed Hatch three weeks later.” (Pat Doyle, “AG Office Queried About Diverted Funds,” Star Tribune, June 30, 2008)
B.J.
Maybe so, maybe not.
Maybe his motives are exactly as he says. That those who carry the load should have more say than those who refuse to carry their own load despite the ability to do so.
Who knows.
I know what mine are.
Oh, I forgot, the Maggot has poor reading comprehension skills so here is the conclusion from the above referenced study.
Conclusion:
“There is some evidence of vote fraud. Regulations meant to prevent fraud can actually increase the voter participation rate. It is hard to see any evidence that voting regulations differentially harm either minorities, the elderly, or the poor. While this study examines a broad range of voting regulations, it is still too early to evaluate any possible impact of mandatory photo IDs on U.S. elections. What can be said is that the non-photo ID regulations that are already in place have not had the negative impacts that opponents predicted.
One particularly valuable finding is that voting regulations have a different impact on turnout in counties where fraud is alleged to be rampant. These results indicate that while these voting regulations have little impact on turnout generally, certain regulations do significantly impact turnout in these so-called “hot spots.”
Contrary to the claims that campaign finance regulations will encourage voter participation by reducing the perception of political corruption, campaign finance regulations reduced voter participation rates.
Following other recent work showing that campaign finance regulations entrench incumbents, reduce the number of candidates running for office, and increase win margins (all factors associated with less exciting campaigns), these results find that
campaign finance regulations usually reduce voter turnout.”
Speaking of weddings.
Is their anything more perfect than the union of Christianity and American conservativism?
If you’re poor? Why “God” has ordered it so! You are in your station and who are you to question “God”? Don’t look to government that you can actually see and work in and be a part of! Government is bad! Look up! All your curses are blessings!
Whoever said it was right. Religion really is the opiate of the masses.
Eliminating voter duplication, dead people, prisoners, felons and others not entitled to vote does not selectively eliminate one party over another by using political affiliation as a determinate.
In fact, in Kansas since there are more registered Republicans it very well might work to their determent numbers wise and to the Dems advantage.
But certainly not to the Dems advantage if they intend on cheating.
So what are you complaining about Maggot…do you want the Dems to cheat?
‘IPCC: Lawson wrong about climate change‘
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/15/eaclimate115.xml
“However, Jean Palutikof, one of the authors of a new IPCC report, said: “By the time you get past 2050 the winners become fewer and fewer. By 2100, we will be losing almost everywhere.”
…
She said Lord Lawson’s view that climate change might have benefits that outweighed the disbenefits was “very wrong” when it came to the availability of water.
Dr Robert Watson, the former chairman of the IPCC and now chief scientist to the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, wrote in a letter to a newspaper: “Lord Lawson’s perspective that the UK and Europe are over-reacting to the threat of human-induced climate change is substantially wrong and ignores a significant body of scientific, technological and economic evidence.”
“That those who carry the load should have more say than those who refuse to carry their own load despite the ability to do so.”
Using that logic, shouldn’t America restrict voting to the top 5% of taxpayers? Afterall, they are providing the bulk of tax dollars this nation spends.
American_Way posted July 26, 2008 at 9:41 am
“Any food deemed “Unhealthy” will be banned.”
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You may ingest large quantities of trans fat, to your “hearts” content. . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7526624.stm
“Trans-fats are used because they are cheap, add bulk to products, have a neutral flavour and give products a long shelf-life. They have no nutritional value.
TRANS-FATS
They are partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, turning oily foods into semi-solid foods
Used to extend shelf life of products
Put into pastries, cakes, margarine and some fast foods
Can raise levels of “bad” cholesterol
Even a small reduction in consumption can cut heart disease
They have no nutritional benefit
The US Food and Drug Administration estimates that on average, Americans eat 4.7lb (2.14kg) of trans-fats each year.
A review by the New England Journal of Medicine in 2006 concluded that there was a strong connection between the consumption of trans-fats and coronary heart disease. It found they boosted “bad” cholesterol levels in the body.
The review said that eliminating artificial trans-fats from the food supply could prevent between six and 19% of heart attacks and related deaths each year.”
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More at,
http://www.bantransfats.com/abouttransfat.html
O.K. Cosmos, you can cut and paste. Like anyone in American doesn’t already know they are bad for you. (really scary stuff)
So is driving a motorcycle without a helment. So is eating at Burger King or Micky D’s. So is standing on ladders. So is standing outside during a thunderstorm. So is driving. So are fossil fuels. So is chocolate cake.
Some might say the same about guns.
Egg whites. Or is it egg yokes? Or is it aspirin?
Drinking alcohol. No wait. More than 4 ounces a day. No wait. It’s wine. No it’s red wine.
Because things in life are bad for you, the government should decide for us?
between six and 19% of heart attacks a year.
Wow! Six whole percent? We could save 40,000 lives a year if we ban cars.
How many lives can we save if we ban coal burning power plants?
You can’t take shi-t without the government. 1.5 gallon flush toilets. Flow restricting shower heads. Warning labels on my mandated GFCI bathroom electrical outlet where I plug in my electric razor with a mandated label that improper use could result in shock.
And after I shave and shower, I will take a nap on my pillow with a mandated label and my mattress with a warning not to remove it’s label.
After getting all worked about over this, I now have a headache. I’m going to take an aspirin after I read the mandatory label warning me of Reye’s syndrome and ulcers.
So I’ll follow up with a Tum’s.
Whoever said it was right. Religion really is the opiate of the masses.
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Karl Marx said it BJ. You believe it. That settles it.
My reasons for believing that ABLE BODIED citizen on welfare should not be able to vote in federal elections have nothing to do with religion though. And BJ, you have a tough time not categorizing a person once they admit to being a Christian. I mean, I don’t always think of you as a socialist wacko.
American_Way,
Tell us how you know whether of not food contains trans fat.
And again, you may ingest large quantities of trans fat, to your “hearts” content. . . Bon appetit!
The Wall Street Journal.
Acorn Squash
August 26, 2006
By Steven Malanga
When Chicago’s city council this summer required big-box stores to pay new employees at least $10 an hour, supporters of the legislation held an impromptu celebration in the council galleries. The hoopla was reminiscent of another scene five years earlier in New York, when opponents of Rudy Giuliani’s effort to privatize failing public schools embraced in the streets after parents rejected the idea.
What linked these celebrations was the left-wing Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn), which led the campaign for the legislation and against privatization. And in each case its efforts represented Pyrrhic victories for the poor. Anti-big-box legislation does little more than limit shopping choices and raise prices for inner-city residents, while parents who celebrated Acorn’s defeat of Mr. Giuliani were left with their same old failing public schools.
No one should be surprised, for this organization grew out of some of the most counterproductive ideas of 1960s radicalism. Acorn’s roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution. The NWRO agitated for unlimited welfare benefits for those mothers and persuaded many urban politicians to loosen welfare eligibility requirements. This led to a more-than doubling of the welfare roles and strained local budgets. Wiley hoped to persuade the federal government to come to the rescue with massive aid. Instead NWRO’s strategy prompted a backlash against “welfare mothers” and politicians in free-spending cities like New York.
When Wiley’s welfare strategy reached a dead end he moved on to other ventures, including sending some of his troops to form a new community organization in Arkansas, infused with the same radicalism. It was a brilliant stroke: By the early ’70s billions of dollars in federal and state aid was streaming to these local groups, spurred by Republicans in Washington who reasoned that it was better to fund nonprofits than create giant federal bureaucracies to run burgeoning antipoverty programs. Little did the GOP understand that the money would finance a nationwide network of organizations that for decades have mobilized urban residents against the party’s candidates and agenda.
Then came the Community Reinvestment Act. Passed in 1977 to prompt banks to lend money in underserved communities, the CRA allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers. As one nonprofit umbrella group observed: “To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application, lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations.”
Acorn became among the most successful at exploiting the law, especially after the Clinton administration set up tough new CRA standards. In 1993 Acorn crafted a $55 million, 11-city lending program administered by it and financed by 14 major banks eager to avoid CRA woes. In 1998 Acorn activists disrupted Federal Reserve hearings on the proposed Citicorp merger with Travelers, waving red umbrellas, a corporate symbol of Travelers, and then later protested Citigroup’s acquisition of Associates First Capital Corp. Eventually Citigroup signed an agreement to provide mortgages through Acorn counseling centers, including home loans to undocumented aliens in California. In 2000 a U.S. Senate subcommittee estimated that such CRA deals had directed at least $9.5 billion through nonprofits, making the CRA the second-most important funder of social advocacy groups next to the government itself.
While Acorn now operates in more than 100 cities with a national budget of $37 million, it never truly left behind the welfare-rights mentality. One is hard-pressed to find in the organization’s many antipoverty initiatives any programs that address social dysfunctions like illegitimacy and single parenthood. Instead, as Acorn’s executive director, Steven Kest, said several years ago, “We are more focused on irresponsible behavior in the corporate sector. I don’t think [illegitimacy] comes anywhere close to the irresponsible behavior of people running the largest businesses in this country.”
While CRA spurred Acorn’s growth, the “living wage” is the group’s most successful local issue. In the early ’90s, advocates persuaded Baltimore to require city government contractors to pay salaries substantially above the federal minimum wage; the campaign caught the attention of Acorn just when the Gingrich Congress was coming into power with a conservative agenda. Stymied in Washington, Acorn decided instead it would work city by city, starting in the most liberal places, to enact local wage legislation. Partnering with Wayne State University’s publicly funded labor studies program, Acorn set up a national living-wage center to help coordinate campaigns. Some 125 municipalities have since passed living-wage legislation.
The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn’s own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.
One of Acorn’s real intentions with this legislation is to help its public-sector union allies. By artificially raising the cost of outsourcing until it is just as costly as work done by government employees, “the Living Wage undercuts the incentive to privatize,” Acorn proclaims in its manual on how to run a living-wage campaign. Some living-wage efforts have gone one cynical step further—with laws that specifically exempt unionized companies from adhering to the new wage standards.
The Chicago legislation is the latest iteration of Acorn’s living-wage campaign and is more likely to benefit unions than the poor. Wal-Mart and its competitors have lately been eying low-income urban neighborhoods because they are underserved by retailers. A recent study by the Brookings Institution estimated that millions of low-income residents of cities pay excessively high prices for consumer goods in part because of a lack of competition. The report noted that in Chicago “higher priced, small grocery stores” are concentrated in the city’s poorer neighborhoods—exactly the kind of place where big-box stores now want to open.
Far from rejecting these stores, inner-city residents have embraced them. Thousands of local residents showed up to apply for jobs when Wal-Mart announced it was opening a new store in an abandoned former Macy’s outlet in the Baldwin Hills section of Los Angeles. After the store opened in 2003, sales soared at the mall were the Wal-Mart was located and other national retailers moved into the predominantly black neighborhood, vastly improving the range of products offered to residents.
But if poor Chicagoans miss out on such a boom, so what? Groups like Acorn thrive off a 1960s philosophy which holds that the worse things are, the better. The more Acorn’s policies thwart the free market, stymie efforts to make government more efficient and saddle the poor with bad stores and lousy services, the more Acorn can lobby for government aid to cure the ills of our society—all funneled through Acorn-run programs, of course.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nutty_regime.html
“, you have a tough time not categorizing a person once they admit to being a Christian. ”
Not at all. It is not I who is forever judging who and who is not Christian.
Maybe it is just that MY take on that religion finds several of its followers to be hypocrites.
So? Who else should not get to vote outlander?
Maybe employees should not get to vote. I mean they are eating off someone else’s table are they not? Nevermind that they set the table and prepared the food. Let their boss speak for them?
Hey maybe people who don’t believe in your God should not get to vote. Their rights are “God” given or so some suppose. If one denies “God” does one forfeit their rights?
I WANT those who have the least voting. Indeed, THEY should have the loudest voice. To do otherwise is to encourage plutocracy.
Or belief in invisible “God” things.
AmWay
““That those who carry the load should have more say than those who refuse to carry their own load despite the ability to do so.”
Using that logic, shouldn’t America restrict voting to the top 5% of taxpayers? Afterall, they are providing the bulk of tax dollars this nation spends.”
I suppose you could advocate taking it that far. Boortz advocates making each persons vote proportional to the amount of taxes they pay, which wouldnt be quite as extreme.
I prefer to break it at the producer/non-producer line.
Oh this could get interesting.
“I prefer to break it at the producer/non-producer line.”
And Neal Boortz produces? What?
Oh he misleads alot of people. Gets them to vote against their own best interest.
But what does Mr. Boortz produce?
have used the flea/tick squeeze on product from hartz for years for my dog and it worked ok, but not perfect…not like frontline. So tonight I decided to buy a new brand..the sergeant’s Gold.
Let me tell you, I am ready to sue them. I put the stuff on at 8pm. At 10pm, I thought my dog’s leg had merely fallen asleep. By 1AM she woke me up out of a dead sleep bumping into doors and walls, she couldn’t hardly walk. She was shaking, drooling, I swear she had something like mad cow or rabies. *Ok, I knew it probably wasn’t rabies because she’s been vax’d but also she hasn’t been in contact with anything to get rabies*.
I threw her in the car and drove all the way to Salina to the Animal ER *which by the way moved to behind Alltel….that tidbit of info would had been good to know*.
So she got a 100 dollar bath tonight- the vet thinks she’ll be fine. But earlier in the night he said that they actually had a cat die from the same thing. Says he sees this all the time!
How the &*())_! can this company keep selling this stuff if it is so dangerous!
By the way, the pet ER staff were amazing and wonderful. I’m so thankful they were there!
I did email the company right when I got home, and demanded they send me reimbursement for the vet bill, the gasoline for the trip to and from, and for the two packages of this evil concoction that I bought.
For the record a vet tech emailed me after I posted this, saying that the Vet group has been trying to get this stuff pulled from the shelves for years. There is also a class action lawsuit from hundreds of other people who have experienced the same thing. Why is it we get laws against abuse from people, but the government and courts refuse to do anything about this stuff that is poisoning our pets?
If there is a lawmaker out there reading this- I know its not as important as people stuff, but pets are HUGE members of our families too. PLEASE do something about this.
In B.J.’s world voting for his best interest means voting for the government to take money from people who make more money than he does and giving it to him.
SSSDD
B.J. says- “And Neal Boortz produces? What?”
Millions of dollars in sales for the companies who advertise during his radio show.
Wow there you have it. Outlander says that poor people should not be able to vote! What bs is that?
Guess what, Outlandish…people do not get their civil rights suspended because they go through a rough patch.
P mom
My wife has had problems with some of the Harzt flea/tick product on some of her cats. Made them dilerious, like they were stumbling around in the fog. Had to quickly wash it off. Some of them it didnt bother.
“Millions of dollars in sales for the companies who advertise during his radio show” — Heckler.
That may well be true, but if so, Willie Nelson has produced billions in sales, if Arbitron ratings indicate anything.
There was a dog that the product BURNED a hole in its skin all the way down the back where it was applied.
If its doing this to our animals…what is it doing to us and our children who pet the animals?
Good to know there political mama.
I wonder if this is why my local grocery clearanced out a bunch of those budget flea treatments a while back?
That’s what deregulation gets us.
If I were you, I would seek legal counsel. Class actions get lawyers rich and you won’t see any money or very little for years.
You might try leaning on them by threatening to go to local media. This story does not seem to be getting out.
Pmom
“Wow there you have it. Outlander says that poor people should not be able to vote! ”
No, that’s not what he said.
“What bs is that?”
Exactly that, B.J…er…B.S. Inaccurate quoting is little different than lying.
Someone needs to put the word out enmass.
Maybe I’ll contact the consumer protection agency- better business bureau, the media?
Heckler–
How’s your son?
Back to chasing the horses?
CraponAmerica show his hatred of human beings by continue to mock Heckler about Heckler’s son head injury when kicked by a horse.
And why do the Libs not call out the Crapon on this?
I mean this was a boy kicked in the head by a horse and the crapon makes fun of it.
What kind of human being does that?
He’s all yours Libs.
I filed complaints with both the Consumer Protection Agency and the Better Business Bureau.
PeeMom,
Please keep us informed as to the success of your “demand” that the company pay your vet bill.
Thx.
I’m mocking the man who cares more about his trappings of wealth (horses) than he does about the safety of his own son.
If Heckler were a welfare queen, SRS would have placed his son in a home for safekeeping.
But since Heckler can afford horses that’s not going to happen.
“What kind of human being does that?”
You, of all people, are asking this question, McCluer?
Damn, now THAT takes gall.
Regular writes, I mean this was a boy kicked in the head by a horse and the crapon makes fun of it.
True.
But with a Dad like Heckler, at least the horse didn’t hurt the boy by injuring anything he was ever going to use . . . like a fully-functioning brain.
ComradeCapn,
Would my country club membership also be a “trapping of wealth?”
And my new 60″ LCD TV? Although it’s downstairs in the basement that I finished and carpeted myself, so it has a bit of a proletariat smell.
Just curious. Thx.
Douchebag Golfnut–
I didn’t say there was anything wrong with enjoying the trappings of wealth.
Unless it’s more important than the safety of one’s children . . .
A country club membership, though . . . okay, well . . . it’s good that people like you have somewhere to go.
Get’s you off the street, if you know what I mean.
And keeps you occupied so people like me can hunt and fish in peace . . .
P. G. Wodehouse called his famous club for the idle rich like Bertie Wooster “The Drone’s Club.”
Perfect!
It is wrong to make fun of someone’s injury to his child.
And testicles, I WILL recoup that money. And I’m going to work darn hard to get that stuff taken off the shelves.
Capn, I see why they call you CraponAmerica.
Your are talking about a man’s son’s head injury. What has that boy ever done to you
You are a disgusting pile of crap.
May the very things you wish on others happen to you.
It’s a good thing nic’s are anonymous, or are they always, or someone with a sense of civic responsibility would seek you out and exterminate you like the vermin you are.
How about making fun of the mindset that led to the injury?
“It’s a good thing nic’s are anonymous, or are they always, or someone with a sense of civic responsibility would seek you out and exterminate you like the vermin you are.”
Sigh, more threats of violence from the right wing.
Typical.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“What kind of human being does that?”
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What kind of parent allows their young child to repeatedly chase horses?
“Douchebag”
Ouch. =)
I would never refer to assets legally earned as “trappings of wealth” – certainly a pejorative expression.
But – as we all know, liberals are perpetual victims. And all victims need someone to blame for their malcontent. The most common target: those who are more successful and their “trappings of wealth.”
Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Charles Koch – they all have their symbols of success errr, trappings of wealth. Heck, even the guy that lives down the street from me has a brand new Porsche.
The difference is – guys like me don’t hate those that have achieved more wealth, we want to learn from them. We want to BE like them.
Why have the rich become more rich over the past 20 years? Because they’ve continued to do what they’ve always done.
Why have the poor become more poor? Same reason.
Pee,
I’m sure you’ll work EXTRA hard to get your money back and to get that stuff off the shelves.
Please keep me posted.
No threat WS, simply an observation of past history with subhuman vermin like CrapOn.
Speaking of threats:
I still have that email from DA (WS) threatening to meet me anytime anywhere to kick my ass. ‘Course, I only keep it only for the entertainment value. It’s good for a hearty laugh every time I read it.
This is another typical reichwing day threatening violence.
First, McLiar threatens me this morning.
Now, Boxtop threatens CapnAmerica.
Of course, there is the usual use my gun/make you disapear threat from the marine-boy
Spin it however you want, a threat is a threat and the editors should be very worried about these individuals posting on this blog.
Lighten up, Apop.
“May the very things you wish on others happen to you.”
The same to you and yours and ALL cons there boxy.
I’m not a religious person. But I find Michael Moore’s prayer to afflict the comfortable very satisfying.
Boxlock and the CONs miss the point as usual.
Heckler is a man like Boxlock and KSGolf who have no compassion for the poor and downtrodden in our society.
You heard them up thread for yourself–the poor are poor because they deserve to be poor. The unproductive members of society should not be able to vote. etc. etc.
When a poor mom working three jobs has to leave her child at home because the kid is sick and the kid drinks DRANO, that is proof positive to the CONs that the poor “just aren’t good enough to raise children.”
But when Heckler chooses to raise his son around animals that weigh a ton for no good reason except his own leisure interests–and he can’t control either the animals or his son–we’re all supposed to feel his pain when the inevitable bad thing happens.
Let those who show compassion receive compassion.
An insult from Boxlock is a like a compliment from a thinking person . . .
Thanks, Boxlock.
Let’s get some facts straight, Comrade:
I have compassion for the poor. I give generously to multiple charities including my church.
I do not believe it’s the function of the government to care for the indigent.
I do not believe anyone deserves to be poor. I think most (the vast majority) choose to be poor – not directly, but by their actions not conducive to success.
Hank posted July 26, 2008 at 6:10 am
“He pointed to a survey conducted by the German climate scientist, Hans von Storch – someone who has supported the mainstream view of the science while being critical of much of the presentation of it in the media. The survey asked 500 climate scientists, under strict promise of anonymity, for their view on the debate. Of those surveyed, 70 per cent supported the view that global warming was mostly caused by humans; 30 per cent did not. While science should never be `conducted by a head count’, said Lawson, it is clear that the much-vaunted unanimity is absent.”
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‘Useless on-line survey of climate scientists’‘
http://timlambert.org/2005/05/bray
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… If you do choose to participate, the survey can be reached by opening your web browser and going to the following link:
http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/bray.html/
When the page opens click the link to “survey of climate scientists” Here you will be asked for a username and password.
For username enter “respondent” (without quotation marks)
For password enter “ccsurvey” (again without the quotation marks).
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Since the survey was anonymous, there is no way to ensure that only climate scientists participated and no way to prevent people from submitting the survey multiple times.
Furthermore, the survey was distributed on the climatesceptics list which has over 200 members, almost all of them strongly skeptical about global warming. Since the total number of participants was just 557, this could serious skew the results. I don’t believe that the results of this survey are representative of the views of climate scientists.”
Ha, I just love it….the poor insecure, left-wing, socialist DemLibs interpreting everything as a threat.
I made NO threat at all, as I said mine was a simple observation of common historical occurrence involving the dredges of society. And certainly one who takes delight in an innocent youths injury, because he dislike his father, is most definitely one of the lowest dredges of society. And so are most definitely those that rush to support that kind of crap….jackals all.
And CrapOn, you miss the point and you lie as well. I have compassion for the poor, as well as the innocent that are ill or injured, as you prove you don’t by your own words here.
I do have little compassion for those those that crap in their beds by choice, and then don’t think it fair they have to lie in them. People that find themselves in uncomfortable circumstances because of their own choices, which is usually the situation, are themselves responsible, and not someone else. Those truly unfortunate by accident, or some other situation outside their control, of course deserve help. Personal responsibility, or the lack thereof, and the consequences that result is still the fairest way a society can function.
Just reading your crap convinces me all the more of my personal conviction and beliefs.
I guess if reg can post something on a democrat, I can post something on a republican. Total important factor of both? . . . way low. So who freakin’ cares?
Longtime GOP operative nabbed for soliciting prostitute!
A St. Paul, Minn., police sting operation targeting prostitutes and their customers has resulted in the arrest of a “longtime Republican operative,” according to sources.
The Star Tribune reports that Peter Hong was arrested Wednesday for soliciting a prostitute during a two-day sting which netted thirty-five other arrests, per a police spokesperson.
“Hong has been in and out of the Republican side of Minnesota politics since the mid-1990s,” write Anthony Lonetree and Patricia Lopez for the Star Tribune, “when he surfaced as a genial bulldog campaign press secretary for former Sen. Rod Grams, R-Minn.
“He served as a spokesman for Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s campaign in 2002 and for the Bush-Cheney campaign in Minnesota in 2004,” the report continues. “Most recently, Hong was a point person for presidential candidate Mike Huckabee,” though the paper notes that according to a spokesperson for the Minnesota GOP, he is not currently working for any state candidate.
Hong had no comment when reached by phone, the paper says. Pioneer Press reports that Hong is now self-employed and “‘Always Searching for the Next Big Thing!’ according to his profile on the business-networking Web site LinkedIn.”
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Longtime_GOP_operative_nabbed_for_soliciting_0725.html
“I’m mocking the man who cares more about his trappings of wealth (horses) than he does about the safety of his own son.
If Heckler were a welfare queen, SRS would have placed his son in a home for safekeeping.
But since Heckler can afford horses that’s not going to happen.” — Captain
Spot on.
Scintillating annotation, beber.
Boxlock tries to have it both ways: “I have compassion” but “people have to take responsibility for themselves.”
Funny, when I ask Heckler to take responsibility for himself, “I am delighting in another man’s misery.”
The hypocritical stance of the CONs is exactly my point, and thanks for the second, Berber.
When it’s one of their own, the CONs have nothing but compassion. When it’s the poor, well . . . not so much.
Of course I don’t “delight in another man’s misery” although I’m sure that the CONs will go right on saying it since it’s part of their wrong assumptions that liberals “envy” them.
We pity you . . . for your short-sighted grasping and pig-headed philistinism.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
“I do not believe it’s the function of the government to care for the indigent.”
And there you have it in a nutshell.
This is why the CON vision of the world has been rejected by the vast majority of Americans.
I love it how the guys who despise progressives love to describe us… and they are always wayyyy offfff. No wonder they hate liberals, they must not know any. They just know these straw men that the TV and Radio comedians describe…
Tools.
Boxlock equivocates: “I made NO threat at all, as I said mine was a simple observation of common historical occurrence involving the dredges [sic dregs] of society.”
You mean like what the Nazis historically did to their dregs of society, the Jews, Boxlock?
Thanks for clarifying it was . . . uh . . . not a threat . . .
:roll:
I guess it is easier to hate and despise if you demonize and dehumanize first…
We the People, da da da Justice, Tranquility, Common defense…
AH here it is.
promote the general welfare.
Now I know that at the time it was written “We the People” referred to the landed gentry.
Since only they were considered people at the time?
Too bad for the cons, the definition of people has grown quite a lot since then.
BlueJay–
And isn’t funny how “promoting the general welfare” always means funnelling tax dollars to very rich people, if you’re a CON?
We may feel like we’re in a recession, but the big banks get a bailout and Halliburton does so well thanks to secret, no-bid contracts.
“[sic dregs] “, dredges works quite well thank you.
Dredges – “mud, muck, and sediment”.
Hee hee, great paragraph from KillerP’s source on the next thread:
Watching these once-united wings of the Republican juggernaut devolve into frank mutual suspicion and distaste along the runway to almost certain electoral disaster is, of course, a delicious development. The Moral Majority Christians and the supply-side neocons always represented two of the worst and most vile impulses in the American character — mass, willful ignorance and total, shameless greed. In one wing of the ruling-party mansion they housed preachers who transformed the religion of “turn the other cheek” and “go, give away all your possessions to the poor” into a “Christianity” that celebrated shock-and-awe bombing and assault-rifle ownership and decried the progressive income tax as unfair to the propertied class. In the other wing they housed “conservatives” who turned the party of limited government into a giant snooping apparatus, one that borrowed trillions against the future earnings of ordinary taxpayers and sacrificed thousands of lives to snatch a few Middle Eastern oil wells for companies that were rich as hell to begin with.
CrapOn, you are so full of misinformation and, well…crap
You post: “You mean like what the Nazis historically did to their dregs of society, the Jews, Boxlock?”
The Nazis hated the Jews because they were almost universally successful and were taking jobs.
The German-Jewish Economic Elite, 1820-1935: A Socio-Cultural Profile.
“It is true that by the late nineteenth century there were virtually no poor German Jews. They had prospered, or migrated to America.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0411/is_n1_v42/ai_13796437/pg_3”
Or:
According to Sir Arthur Bryant the British historian (Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):
http://www.rense.com/general29/why.htm
“It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities.. They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.. ”
No, it’s more like the DemLibs are acting like Nazis, not the conservatives.
Good post there, CapN
Thanks, Chas.
Boxlock–Most of the Jews the Nazis killed were not German.
Look at the pictures of the Jews walled into the Warsaw Ghetto, and you’ll see they are not rich.
But that’s the problem with arguing with a CON. You have to do all the educating they didn’t pay attention to when they were in school . . .
Oh, I forgot to mention, Warsaw is in Poland, not Germany.
“Look at the pictures of the Jews walled into the Warsaw Ghetto, and you’ll see they are not rich.”
Of course not nitwit…not after being walled into the Ghetto!
By the way, Boxlock, the first article does not make the case that Jews were hated because they were successful.
The general consensus is that Nazis hated Jews because they “weren’t patriotic enough” toward the homeland. Their external religion precluded them from ever being “one of us” (i.e., German).
They were seen as the prime cause of why Germany lost WWI, the “stab in the back” (Dolchstoßlegende) myth that Germany lost because the un-patriotic civilians did not support the war effort sufficiently.
We see the same kind of charges levelled at the anti-war liberals today by the Reich-wing. We’re the reason that the US lost in Vietnam (”stab in the back” myth) and we’re not patriotic. We “want our soldiers to die” and we “want the US to lose,” as if simply wanting something could make it happen, even if it was what we wanted, which of course, it’s not.
Chas Posted July 26, 2008 at 4:48 pm
“Good post there, CapN”
Good copy and paste except that none of it is accurate.
“The German-Jewish Economic Elite raises many questions about the limits of Jewish integration in modernity. Clearly, in Wilhemine and Weimar Germany both the class and status structure of society and the reality of anti-Semitism rendered full Jewish integration impossible.”
““It is true that by the late nineteenth century there were virtually no poor German Jews. They had prospered, or migrated to America.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0411/is_n1_v42/ai_13796437/pg_3””
Capn, I’m sticking with my original intent.
The Jews were successful for the most part and resented for it.
Got’a run, it’s been fun, but more important things go’in on.
From Wiki’s article on “Nazism”:
Nazi philosophy came together during a time of crisis in Germany; the nation had lost World War I in 1918, but had also been forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles, a devastating capitulation, and was in the midst of a period of great economic depression and instability. The Dolchstosslegende (or “stab in the back”), described by the Nazis, featured a claim that the war effort was sabotaged internally, in large part by Germany’s Jews. . . . The concept of Dolchstosslegende led many to look at Jews and other so-called “non-Germans” living in Germany as having extra-national loyalties, thereby raising antisemitic sentiments and the Judenfrage (German for “Jewish Question”), at a time when the Völkisch movement and a desire to create a Greater Germany were strong.
. . .
Hitler first began to develop his views through observations he made while living in Vienna from 1907 to 1913. He concluded that a racial, religious, and cultural hierarchy existed, and he placed “Aryans” at the top as the ultimate superior race, while Jews and “Gypsies” were people at the bottom. [In other words, the dregs of society.]
. . .
The “weakest nations”, Hitler said, were those of “impure” or “mongrel races”, because they had divided, quarreling, and therefore weak cultures. Worst of all were seen to be the parasitic “Untermensch” (“subhumans”), mainly Jews . . .
[The parallels with modern religious CONs is obvious.]
. . .
According to Nazi propaganda, the Jews thrived on fomenting division amongst Germans and amongst states.
You can find the story of the Warsaw Ghetto, by referencing stories on “Krystalnacht” which was an event in POLAND… not in Germany… It is called “The Night of Breaking Glass” IIRC
Substitute “conservatives” for Nazis or Hitler and “liberals” for Jews, and you’ve got a very accurate picture of how we’re painted by CONs in “the liberal media.”
Correct, Chas.
The East European Jewry was the first target of the Nazis. The German Jews were attacked later, and not all the Nazis agreed with the practice.
And if the Jews were persecuted because they were so “successful,” why were the Gypsies and the Seventh Day Adventists persecuted?
CapnAmerica
Posted July 26, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink
Substitute “conservatives” for Nazis or Hitler and “liberals” for Jews, and you’ve got a very accurate picture of how we’re painted by CONs in “the liberal media.”
Huh?
Now, CapN — Gotta be careful about that Godwin’s Law thing… Dont want to incur any wrath of the w-right… LOL
Cant sit up here very long yet… Might be back on later this evening!! Have a nice evening!!
The Gypsies were considered unstable as a group, and the Seventh Day Adventists worshipped the same day as Jews… Saturday… Some of the German High Command considered them “closet Jews” sort of…
Gypsies were viewed as an “inbred” “race” and therefore a threat to the pure Aryans… Of course, even Hitler didnt qualify as one of the pure Aryans… But shhhhhh dont tell anybody!! :-|
Chas: The event you refer to happened in Germany, (Goering was mad as hell because the Reich had to pay the insurance claims) not Poland, before WW2 resulting from a German civil servant being shot to death in Paris by a deranged Jew. Capt. has it right about the impulse of Hitler and National Socialism, as are his observations and consclusions.I would offer sosme more tidbits. Munich had the first Soviet outside Russia managed mostly by Jews, similar to and supported by Moscow, consequently Communinism and Jewry were politically and culturally linked. In Bavaria, where Hitler really got his start as a new recruit to National Socialism, it was quite easy to convince the locals of the Jewish Problem. The communists assaulted people in the streets, stole property and otherwise harried those with property/valuables. The National Socilaist with many veterans of the German army took to the streets and defeated the Soviet gangs in pitched street battles and the locals were very grateful to the Nazis for the protection offered and order restored. Add this to the centuries old segeregation/dislike of Jews in Catholic Southern Germany and it would not be hard to adhere to the idea of Jews being subersive, dividing and destroying societies, going back to Roman Times. Now if the Seventh Day Adventists had made a deal with the Nazis as did the Catholic Church……
The War on Drugs will be superceded by the War on Unhealthy Food.
Great! This means there will be plenty of unhealthy food, just as drugs have increased every since the “War on…”, as it has with every other “War on…”.
Where DID I put that bag of chips?
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sursum — WHERE was the Warsaw Ghetto??
Well whatdaya know! Ford and GM announce they will start selling more fuel efficient cars in the US.
It didn’t take a government, a republican, a democrat, or an act of congress.
Just took $4.00 a gallon.
Bring on even HIGHER gas prices!
Am,
The market is a beautiful thing.
You betcha AmWay. Ain’t it great?
Folks on a fixed income especially love those high gas prices. Nothing like high fuel cost to get companies to boost fuel efficiency, while inflicting major pain on the lower income folks, and screwing the economy, all in one swell foop.
You gotta wonder about folks cheering high fuel costs.
Substitute “conservatives” for Nazis or Hitler and “liberals” for Jews, and you’ve got a very accurate picture of how we’re painted by CONs in “the liberal media.”
Huh?
Exactly Nathaniel…..they’re nuts!
Yep, it didn’t take the worthless Energy Act by Congress. It didn’t take new CAFE standards in 2022.
It took Americans who could not afford to buy gas for their SUV’s and big pickemup trucks. They can’t afford them!
The EU cars Ford is bringing on are smaller, less costly, and more fuel efficient. Ford is also going to greatly expand hybrid production.
Imagine how many years ago this could have happened, had the government stayed out!
The
$5.00-a-gallonFree Market Explainedhttp://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug
“while inflicting major pain on the lower income folks, and screwing the economy”
Oh, the poor, poor, lower income folk – the great CRY of the democrats. And of course democrats are experts on the economy.
The best for both is for the government to stay out.
Unless Outlander, your Obama can propose FREE cars for the poor. Or perhaps subsidies?
Nope. Keep government out. The poor should be the first to move to mass transit. They cannot afford the car payments, the gas, the insurance, nor the upkeep for an automobile.
But Ford ‘might’ return to it’s roots: A car for the average American! Like the cars being introduced in India for example. Very inexpensive.
Made for the poor.
Everyone can’t have a caddie.
OK sursum — I am thinking of a different event that ocurred in the Warsaw Ghetto… highly similar to Kristallnacht… So sorry!! I got my dates wrong!!
I say again:
It is not the function of the government to care for the indigent. Uncle Sam makes it too easy to be poor. Folks on welfare are buying plasma TVs and eating steak. Poverty should be painful. Pain is one helluva motivator.
And it’s also not the function of government to futz with the market. These things have a way of taking care of themselves – and with greater speed without regulatory interference.
Monkeyhawk’s chart displays what happens whenever governments get involved. Print his chart and line OUT all the steps and arrows involving government.
You get the apple chart!
outlander,
Don’t worry. . . multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ found a Republican who will cause gas prices to drop to $2 a gallon in a few years. And maybe create 750,000 new jobs!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390669
“Uncle Sam makes it too easy to be poor. Folks on welfare are buying plasma TVs and eating steak.”
Golfnut: It’s called enabling. Just like enabling an alcoholic. The gubermint exacerbates the problem, leading to a perpetual and generational welfare class.
And high food costs are also leading to inflation. All related to the government interference with private industry. Forcing ethanol on us, providing them a .51 a gallon subsidy (at poor peoples expense). Taking 25% of the corn off the food market and diverting it to an energy source which is less efficient than regular unleaded. And the poor are suffering!
American_Way posted July 26, 2008 at 7:42 pm
“Well whatdaya know! Ford and GM announce they will start selling more fuel efficient cars in the US.”
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Too bad they didn’t do that back in the mid-1980’s.
Reagan rolled back CAFE mpg standards in 1985, because GM and Ford failed to meet the standards, and would’ve been fined.
All the other auto-makers had met the standards
Written in 1990,
‘Make Fuel Efficiency Our Gulf Strategy’
http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Security/S90-26_MakeFuelEffGulf.pdf
“Are we putting our kids in tanks because we didn’t put them in efficient cars? Yes: we wouldn’t have needed any oil from the Persian Gulf after 1985 if we’d simply kept on saving oil at the rate we did from 1977 through 1985.” (continues)
Unless Outlander, your Obama can propose FREE cars for the poor. Or perhaps subsidies?
Not sure who Outie is supporting–I don’t think he’s every said. He was a Romney supporter during the primaries.
Your presumptuousness is (unfortunately) not uncommon here, but it’s really tiresome nonetheless, particularly coming from someone who’s known for not being particularly enamoured of the current occupant.
Think about it.
Cosmos: No argument from me on circa 1980’s. Government should stay out: Republican and democrat.
Good points Rage.
Rush Limbaugh may be the most popular radio talk show host, but our latest Washington Whispers poll finds that Americans want him shouting from their radio, not next door to their summer vacation home. In the poll by our associates at Synovate eNation, we asked which of four of the media elite—Limbaugh, Fox’s Bill O ‘ Reilly, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann , and Hardball’s Chris Matthews—you wouldn’t want renting the Martha’s Vineyard home next to you. By more than a 2-to-1 margin, it was Limbaugh people wanted to avoid. Some 53 percent shot Limbaugh down, which is too bad, since he reportedly is something of a recluse once he leaves his EIB studio and would probably be a good neighbor. O’Reilly was next at 20 percent, with the others splitting the remainder. What was interesting, says Synovate eNation, is that the results were echoed across all demographics. Normally rich and poor, urban and rural, and young and old poll participants split their response. But in this case, over half in every category expressed their wish to keep Limbaugh in the studio.
The Whispers Poll
You just rented a vacation home on Martha’s Vineyard where the political and media elite go. Who is the last person you want as a summer neighbor?
Radio Host Rush Limbaugh 53%
Fox’s Bill O’Reilly 20%
MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann 14%
Hardball’s Chris Matthews 13%
Source: The Synovate eNation Internet poll was conducted July 17-21, 2008, among 1,000 nationally representative households by global market research firm Synovate.
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Then again, who’d want to live next door to a drug-addicted pedophile?
Jimmy Carter delivered his so-called “malaise” speech 29 years ago today. What we wouldn’t give today to have done what he advocated (except perhaps the expanded use of coal):
CARTER: Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 — never…
Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas…
Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation’s history to develop America’s own alternative sources of fuel…
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000.
These efforts will cost money, a lot of money, and that is why Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay…
Point four: I’m asking Congress to mandate, to require as a matter of law, that our nation’s utility companies cut their massive use of oil by 50 percent within the next decade and switch to other fuels, especially coal, our most abundant energy source…
Point five: To make absolutely certain that nothing stands in the way of achieving these goals, I will urge Congress to create an energy mobilization board…
Point six: I’m proposing a bold conservation program to involve every state, county, and city and every average American in our energy battle. This effort will permit you to build conservation into your homes and your lives at a cost you can afford.
To further conserve energy, I’m proposing tonight an extra $10 billion over the next decade to strengthen our public transportation systems…
Our nation must be fair to the poorest among us, so we will increase aid to needy Americans to cope with rising energy prices. We often think of conservation only in terms of sacrifice. In fact, it is the most painless and immediate way of rebuilding our nation’s strength. Every gallon of oil each one of us saves is a new form of production. It gives us more freedom, more confidence, that much more control over our own lives…
I do not promise you that this struggle for freedom will be easy. I do not promise a quick way out of our nation’s problems, when the truth is that the only way out is an all-out effort. What I do promise you is that I will lead our fight, and I will enforce fairness in our struggle, and I will ensure honesty. And above all, I will act. We can manage the short-term shortages more effectively and we will, but there are no short-term solutions to our long-range problems. There is simply no way to avoid sacrifice.
Thanks, America’s crazy right wing. We couldn’t have ignored our most important problems for three decades and thereby made them much worse without you.
http://thismodernworld.com/4401
Note: That’s Jonathan Schwarz talking, not me.
Monkeyhawk, it was a loaded poll to begin with:
“we asked which of four of the media elite—Limbaugh, Fox’s Bill O ‘ Reilly, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann , and Hardball’s Chris Matthews—you wouldn’t want renting the Martha’s Vineyard home next to you.”
Respondents didn’t get a choice other than those you listed. Suggestive. Would have been better had they provided four blank spaces. As it was, anyone responding HAD to chose from this list.
Means nothing. Slow news day?
BTW, the Whispers Poll also shows the same population believe Cindy McCain would make a better first lady.
I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000.
These efforts will cost money, a lot of money, and that is why Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay…
Point four: I’m asking Congress to mandate, to require as a matter of law, that our nation’s utility companies cut their massive use of oil by 50 percent within the next decade and switch to other fuels, especially coal, our most abundant energy source…
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The Congress back in those days of Carter and Reagan was majority Democrats. The Democrats in Congress had the power to put up legislation in doing so and didn’t.
Thanks Rage for providing content to defeat your argument by blaming in on the Right Wing.
Carter was addressing Congress, a Democratic Congress to do something, they didn’t. In fact, the Congress had been held in power by the Democrats the preceding 40 years before Newt and the boys rolled into town.
Look at the legacy the Democratic Congresses have left.
Look at the legacy the Democratic Congresses have left.
The Democratic Congress did little, having had their brains pounded out in the painful election of ‘78.
Then 1980 happened.
Not so fast Regular. Carter was successful at enacting the Windfall Profits Tax in 1980. It was in effect for the next 8 years.
Can’t you see how that helped solve the oil crises?
I took my daughter to see the new Batman movie, and yeah it was good. People who take their young kids to see this….I’d say anyone under 14…should have SRS waiting on the other side of the door.
I wasn’t a big fan of this actor playing Batman, but the rest of it was really awesome. And Heath, WOW is all I can say. No wonder the poor guy couldn’t sleep.
Okay, I’ll speak up.
Capn,
Please refrain from taunting and ridiculing Heckler for an incident you do not have the particulars about. (Sorry, poor grammar. I’m tired.)
That said, and I hope many of you are now happy, the rest of you should refrain from your childish tit for tat b.s. too. That means both sides and in the middle. I’m tired of it, and all it proves is that you’re all morons. (There, now you’ve made me a moron, too!)
Can we please stick to the issues? Yes, I know, you all have “issues”, that’s pretty clear, but grow up.
For Heckler, having had 4 kids of my own and now 4 grands, one of which is hard to keep a handle on because of ADHD and who knows what else, I hope you have found a way to curb your son’s curiosity about horses. I don’t recall you saying it was your horse, but if it was, please reconsider being a horse owner, until your son is older and a bit wiser. (All kids have this problem about something, not just yours.)
Go ahead and have at each other. I’ll find somewhere that personal attacks for meanness sake are restricted. This has gotten old and exceedingly boring.
“Folks on welfare are buying plasma TVs and eating steak. Poverty should be painful. Pain is one helluva motivator.”
Obviously, that putz doesn’t know any poor people. Oh and I’ve seen him too. Round boy goof nut aint missing no all you can eats I can tell ya that.
Oh and motivation? You bet it’s motivating. It motivated me 180 degrees away from my Republican youth.
American_Way, this is just eerie. But you said it first.
I was thinking about some posts before dinner and came back to post a thought.
When I read your post I thought how you’d read my mind. You posted:
“It’s called enabling. Just like enabling an alcoholic. The gubermint exacerbates the problem, leading to a perpetual and generational welfare class.”
What the DemLibs call ‘conservative-selfishness’ is not that at all. It’s encouraging people into self actualization, which they will not take on their own, but which is only good for them in the long term.
The enabling socialist agenda creates a permanent, ever growing dependent underclass of which the DemLibs feel good about because they are being ‘feeling and sharing and helping….NOT.
“Boxlock” emotes –
“…When I read your post I thought how you’d read my mind…”
That sure sounds like a boy-crush goin’ on.
Perhaps you should get a room.
If most spun results scored at 1st to course, this is society you want to stay with. It is not interesting for Heckler to play too simple and ineffective games. Roman Times may be Heckler in Iraq or Saddam, but they still can’t gamble.
“Boxlock” continues –
“…perhaps we could meet in a motel nearby and, with the lights out while waiting for the Cialis to kick in, we could discuss ‘The Invisible Hand’ (if you know what I mean!).” :-)
“. It’s encouraging people into self actualization, which they will not take on their own, but which is only good for them in the long term.”
Yeah folks who have to work for Wal mart are fine examples of human potential fully realized aint they?
And the good Joe Meyers, unable to contribute in a positive way to the discussion, lowers the discourse to it’s basest level.
Maybe we should print out your obscene trash and mail it on a post card to your house each day.
Dang: one of the “Top Story” links right now on Google reads “Future Liar-in-Chief McCain and his BS Express.” See it for yourself.
http://www.google.com
Dollars to donuts Cheney is on the phone as we speak, getting their power cut off.
Predestined,
It seems to have happened at least 3 times before? “From “timeout” and “disappearing toys” to a belt across the arse nothing seems to stop him.”
Heckler posted June 28, 2008 at 1:44 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375297
“Hopefully, this won’t sour him on horses, just make him more cautious”
Unfortunately he doesnt remember it. So the extra caution I was hoping for is not likely. He chases them. He and the dog. Sometimes the dog starts it, sometimes he starts it. From “timeout” and “disappearing toys” to a belt across the arse nothing seems to stop him.
We took pictures of him in the hospital to show him later in hopes of instilling a little caution in him. We’ll see.”
Notice AmWay notice how juvenile, no actually asinine, the Monkey really is. He’s sitting there typing with one hand and with the other hand….., well you can fill it in.
Also notice how he out and out lies with quotation marks around what comes out of his own demented anal mind.
BlueJay, those folks working at Walmart, they have it all over you. You’re a lazy, thieving bum who wants society to carry your lazy ass. You have no self-respect, appropriately, and hate anyone who has achieve anything above where you wallow.
Posted July 26, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink
Well whatdaya know! Ford and GM announce they will start selling more fuel efficient cars in the US.
It didn’t take a government, a republican, a democrat, or an act of congress.
Just took $4.00 a gallon.
Bring on even HIGHER gas prices!
WHat it took was losing market share to Honda and Toyota —- they could have easily poduced 30+ mpg cars of 2 decades ago —- but they really don’t have the best interest
Thanks HLP, I had forgotten that little bit of trivia. The Monkey is a failed liberal radio talking head that was put there to demonstrate the utter failures of the liberal socialist agenda.
And he couldn’t even accomplish that to anyone interest.
of the american consumer or the nation in mind —- it’s all about shareholder equity and lining their pockets damn the consequences
The Congress back in those days of Carter and Reagan was majority Democrats. The Democrats in Congress had the power to put up legislation in doing so and didn’t.
Thanks Rage for providing content to defeat your argument by blaming in on the Right Wing.
Carter was addressing Congress, a Democratic Congress to do something, they didn’t. In fact, the Congress had been held in power by the Democrats the preceding 40 years before Newt and the boys rolled into town.
Look at the legacy the Democratic Congresses have left
and look at what the republican congresswes have accomplished since then — nothing nada — except
so yhou small minded idiot the problem isnt gop or dem it’s both and us fot letting them get away with it —
Dang: one of the “Top Story” links right now on Google reads “Future Liar-in-Chief McCain and his BS Express.” See it for yourself.
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Don’t they call that a “Google bomb”? Google that.
The only recipient of welfare that posts this blog “Boxlock” is one of yours.
Maybe even YOU in one of his many nics?
I have the greatest of self respect. I refuse to be exploited. I, like my father before me, have fought for working people all my life.
Exactly Boxlock,
Amazing how the good liberals with their compassion can always find someone to look down on.
I know many employees at WalMart and Sam’s. Actually a pretty good company to work for. They promote from within and and have fairly good benefits for their employees.
One that I know is working his way through school and they are very supportive of his hours. Another that I know has worked his way up from checker to the manager of the store in Parsons, KS.
The employees at WalMart have very good working conditions and you can make the job what ever you want it to be.
“Boxlock” seeks to comfort his boy toy –
“Notice AmWay (can I call you “Snuggles?) notice how juvenile, no actually asinine, the Monkey really is. He’s sitting there typing with one hand….”
And what do you do with your other hand, “Boxlock?” Practice writing, “Mrs. Boxlock AmWay” in flowery writing on the back of your notebook?
“Also notice how he out and out lies with quotation marks around what comes out of his own demented anal mind.”
Well look who all-of-a-sudden brought of “anal?!”
I always figured you were a “bottom.”
outlander,
I kind of think Google doesn’t need my Google Bombing to elevate their ranking. Frankly, I was just shocked to see their editorial board allow through an honest headline.
HLP,
I think you’d make a GREAT WalMart greeter. It fits your skill set.
Future Liar-in-Chief McCain and his BS Express.”
The fear that Republican Presidential candidate will be soundly defeated by Obama in November has generated a massive barrage of outright lies and some very smelly BS. Some of the lies and BS come from the usual disreputable sources like Right Wing talk radio hosts, Republican bloggers, Ann Coulter clones and certain Fox News commentators. These are to be expected.
Right Wing Republican Congressional candidates have been using slash and burn campaigns and outright lies routinely since at least the 1994 election. The recent negative comments by Congresswoman Heather Wilson falsely smearing Obama are a prime example of this low road campaign style. Republican Congressman Charlie Dent has been trying to defend his close ties to the oil industry and the huge amount of money they have donated to his campaign by blaming his Democratic challenger Sam Bennett for high fuel prices. Wilson and Dent sound just like McCain. They are just frightened of the voters and trying to hide their roles in creating the current economic mess.
However, the Republican Presidential candidates usually have not been nearly as vicious or desperate as John McCain. McCain seems to have become as divorced from the truth or civil political discourse as Dick Cheney. Smears and attack lines cannot conceal the truth forever.
Only about a half dozen years ago, I remember talking about the respect I held then for John McCain, as an independent-minded Republican, on my talk radio show. While I respected the McCain of Bush’s first term and admired the soldier McCain of the Vietnam era, I have little respect for McCain’s behavior as a Presidential candidate in 2008.
I admit that I would not have voted for John McCain at any point in his political career because he has always been a political enemy of working Americans and a powerful tool of the Corporate forces crushing us as workers, taxpayers and consumers. Those differences were ones of policy.
The problem with McCain in 2008 is that his character has apparently been corrupted by his lust for the Presidency. His nasty tone and negative personal attacks on Obama show how much of a failure McCain has been as a Presidential candidate trying to defend on the failed policies of Bush Republicanism!
McCain has falsely blamed Obama for high gas prices. McCain has been receiving huge campaign donations from Big Oil. He has done absolutely nothing to promote more competition in the oil industry. He has opposed oil windfall taxes that would have been used to promote alternative energy development.
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BlueJay
Posted July 26, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink
The only recipient of welfare that posts this blog “Boxlock” is one of yours.
Maybe even YOU in one of his many nics?
I have the greatest of self respect. I refuse to be exploited. I, like my father before me, have fought for working people all my life.
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Of course, J Ryan Remil would be referring to me.
Remil keeps confusing military retirement with food stamps.
Let me clue you in Remil. I was working 12-14 hour days in the military while you were still playing with yourself in kindergarten.
I’m very sure I earned my military pension as did millions of other retired military.
McCain has done nothing to pressure the oil industry to actually drill on the 68 million acres of offshore drilling rights leased from the federal government. He has only attacked Obama for not supporting more leases that would probably not be drilled on by Big Oil.
Why would the oil industry expand production when it would lessen their ability to price gouge the American public? They make huge profits by keeping oil production as low as possible and supplies tight. They have been buying out competitors and closing refineries ever since Bush and Cheney took control of the White House in 2001 just to drive up prices!
McCain has offered meaningless gimmicks like the temporary, dangerous proposal to suspend the federal fuel taxes this summer. The price gouging by the oil industry dwarfs the temporary relief of 18.4 to 22.4 cents per gallon. These fuel taxes are used for roads and bridges repairs, maintenance and safety. We all remember the Interstate bridge collapse in Minnesota when the Republican Governor cut the funding for safety inspections and needed repairs. We need a President willing to stand up for consumers against Big Oil instead of a Liar-in-Chief trying to sell us on Big Oil talking points.
The Iraq War is another example of McCain following in the unethical footsteps of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. The similarities are not just policy positions but also political ethics. The terrible mistakes of Bush, Cheney and McCain got us into this disaster of a war. It was launched based on lies told to the American public that they knew were lies.
We have wasted the lives of over 4,000 brave American soldiers and at least a trillion dollars of current and future taxpayers’ money in an unnecessary war. The oil did keep Iraqi oil off the world market and made worldwide price-gouging by Big Oil possible. It made it possible for Republicans to give no-bid contracts to the large corporations providing them with campaign donations.
If Bush, Cheney and McCain had not pushed us into invading Iraq, there would have been no need for a troop surge. Without this colossal failure of judgment by Bush, Cheney and McCain, we would not have over 4,000 dead American soldiers, trillions of wasted taxpayer dollars undermining the American economy and a likely post-War dominance of Iraq by Iran.
The invasion of Iraq has vastly increased the likelihood of Iran becoming a nuclear power. It has increased the appeal of Islamic terrorists on the Moslem street around the world. It has increased the chances of war with Iran. The Iraq policies of Bush, Cheney and McCain have undermined our real fight against the Bin Laden terrorist organization in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Well, I don’t go to Wal mart.
But I’ve a neat little trick I like to play on other businesses.
I like to ask for a manager.
I always tell the employee I am dealing with to not worry. It is ok.
Then when the manager arrives, I tell them what a great job the employee is doing.
And then I tell the manager I want them to do it.
Heh! You should see the jaws hit the floor.
I’ve gotten everything from “Well, that is why we employ this person..” to “I’m a manager! I don’t do that!”
And? If they don’t step up? I take my biz elsewhere.
It’s great fun! Lots of times, the little toady manager cannot perform the task and has to admit it.
These policies concerning war and terrorism demonstrated that McCain shares Bush’s serious character flaw of never admitting he has made a serious error of judgment even when the results have been a disaster. We had 8 years of dealing with this character flaw. We do not need 4 or 8 more years of the same. The past Liar-in-Chief lied to the American people and himself. I believe McCain will do the same.
It is time to cut through the bull droppings and spin of the McCain campaign and look at the facts. McCain falsely claims that Obama will increase taxes on most Americans. In truth, Obama will only slightly increase taxes on those have taxable incomes over $250,000 a year. The overall tax levels for most Americans will likely be slightly reduced.
McCain will do nothing to protect American jobs. He will do nothing to curb excess Corporate control over government. McCain is likely to start more needless wars. He is a hothead. McCain is not competent when it comes to dealing with the economy and has publicly stated as much. He cannot be trusted with this important responsibility. McCain supports basically 95 percent of the Bush Agenda.
John McCain is a Super Rich guy with the political opinions of a Super Rich guy. Most of us do not own a dozen homes or measure our wealth in the hundred millions. He is not really one of us. We would not have voted against giving returning Iraq War soldiers the same education benefits that our Vietnam-era soldiers once had like John McCain did.
McCain might have been one of us during Vietnam but that was a long time ago. It was before he spent around 30 years in Washington, D.C. screwing up the country. It was before he climbed aboard his BS Express and started seeking the position of Liar-in-Chief.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Future-Liar-in-Chief-McCai-by-Stephen-Crockett-080726-232.html
HLP, how right you are, you post;
“The employees at WalMart have very good working conditions and you can make the job what ever you want it to be.”
You CAN make the job what ever you want it to be, and BlueJay chooses to make his life miserable and wants to leach off of others, what a parasite.
BlueJay…damn, I’d feel sorry for you, really sorry, but you simply place yourself exactly where you are. A real shame, and I worry for those around you like your son, think of him for once and not just you.
Monkeyhawk,
I said it to him and I’ll say it again: Boxlock spiralled into hateful ranting and personal attacks as precipitously as anyone I’ve seen on the WeBlog. All the while pretending to be shocked when anyone else descended into innuendo of any sort. But of course, while still using such language himself.
Self-awareness comes to him in fits and starts. Fits, mostly. Of everybody posting here, I’d say Boxlock runs the highest risk of blowing a major, apoplectic gasket.
Oh I do remember one Wal mart story.
YEARS ago, I went there for a fishing license. A manager was busy berating the sporting goods counter person about something or other.
So I said “Excuse me? I would like a fishing license please.”
The manager stopped his bawling out and told the employee to help me.
“No, I want you to do it.” I told the manager.
“I don’t know how and it is not my job.” says the manager.
“Oh ok.” says I. “I still want you to do it. Maybe this other person knows how and can help you?”
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BlueJay
Posted July 26, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink
Oh I do remember one Wal mart story.
YEARS ago, I went there for a fishing license. A manager was busy berating the sporting goods counter person about something or other.
So I said “Excuse me? I would like a fishing license please.”
The manager stopped his bawling out and told the employee to help me.
“No, I want you to do it.” I told the manager.
“I don’t know how and it is not my job.” says the manager.
“Oh ok.” says I. “I still want you to do it. Maybe this other person knows how and can help you?”
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Yeah, you showed him Remil.
What an idiot you are.
http://www.alternet.org/story/88101
For years now, the U.S. political press corps has traveled with John McCain on his “Straight Talk Express,” buying into his image as a paragon of truth-telling. But the real truth is that McCain routinely makes stuff up, as he did on June 11 in lying about Barack Obama’s “bitter” comment.
During a political talk in Philadelphia, McCain claimed that Obama had described “bitter” small-town voters as clinging to religion or “the Constitution” – when the second item in Obama’s comment actually was “guns.”
But the Arizona senator didn’t stop with a simple word substitution. He added that he will tell these voters that “they have trust and support the Constitution of the United States because they have optimism and hope. … That’s what America’s all about.”
In other words, McCain didn’t just make a slip of the tongue. He willfully accused Obama of disparaging the U.S. Constitution, a very serious point that, if true, might cause millions of Americans to reject Obama’s candidacy.
Still, when some of the U.S. broadcast networks – including NBC evening news – played the clip of McCain lashing out at Obama’s purported dissing of the Constitution, they didn’t correct McCain’s falsehood.
That fits with a long-standing pattern of the political press corps giving McCain a break when he makes statements at variance with the truth. Even in the rare moments when he is caught in an inaccuracy – such as accusing Shiite-ruled Iran of training Sunni extremists in al-Qaeda – the falsehood is minimized as an unintentional gaffe.
However, McCain actually seems to be following a trail blazed by George W. Bush, saying what’s useful at the time even if it’s not true and then counting on the U.S. press corps to timidly look the other way.
Through all his misstatements, McCain’s “straight-talk” reputation survives.
Sweeping Denials
In another instructive case, McCain got away with sweeping denials in his reaction to a New York Times article on Feb. 21. The story led with unsubstantiated suspicions among some McCain staffers that their boss had gotten too cozy with female lobbyist Vicky Iseman, but McCain went beyond simply denying any sexual improprieties.
He put out a statement declaring that in his quarter-century congressional career, he “has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists.” But that simply isn’t true.
As the Times story already had recalled, McCain helped one of his early financial backers, wheeler-dealer Charles Keating, frustrate oversight from federal banking regulators who were examining Keating’s Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.
At Keating’s urging, McCain wrote letters, introduced bills and pushed a Keating associate for a job on a banking regulatory board. In 1987, McCain joined several other senators in two private meetings with federal banking regulators on Keating’s behalf.
Two years later, Lincoln collapsed, costing the U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. Keating eventually went to prison and three other senators from the so-called Keating Five saw their political careers ruined.
McCain drew a Senate reprimand for his involvement and later lamented his faulty judgment. “Why didn’t I fully grasp the unusual appearance of such a meeting?” he wrote in his 2002 memoir, Worth the Fighting For.
Excuse me boxy?
I’ve done work that would kill you in an hour let alone a day.
But some people close to the case thought McCain got off too easy.
Not only was McCain taking donations from Keating and his business circle, getting free rides on Keating’s corporate jet and enjoying joint vacations in the Bahamas – McCain’s second wife, the beer fortune heiress Cindy Hensley, had invested with Keating in an Arizona shopping mall.
In the years that followed, however, McCain not only got out from under the shadow of the Keating Five scandal but found a silver lining in the cloud, transforming the case into a lessons-learned chapter of his personal narrative.
McCain, as born-again reformer, soon was winning over the Washington press corps with his sponsorship of ethics legislation, like the McCain-Feingold bill limiting “soft money” contributions to the political parties.
However, there was still that other side of John McCain as he wielded enormous power from his position as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, which helped him solicit campaign donations from corporations doing business before the panel.
The Times story reported that McCain did favors on behalf of Iseman’s lobbying clients, including two letters that McCain wrote in 1999 to the Federal Communications Commission demanding that it act on a long-delayed request by Iseman’s client, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to buy a Pittsburgh television station.
In the years that followed, however, McCain not only got out from under the shadow of the Keating Five scandal but found a silver lining in the cloud, transforming the case into a lessons-learned chapter of his personal narrative.
McCain, as born-again reformer, soon was winning over the Washington press corps with his sponsorship of ethics legislation, like the McCain-Feingold bill limiting “soft money” contributions to the political parties.
However, there was still that other side of John McCain as he wielded enormous power from his position as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, which helped him solicit campaign donations from corporations doing business before the panel.
The Times story reported that McCain did favors on behalf of Iseman’s lobbying clients, including two letters that McCain wrote in 1999 to the Federal Communications Commission demanding that it act on a long-delayed request by Iseman’s client, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to buy a Pittsburgh television station.
HLP,
I think you’d make a GREAT WalMart greeter. It fits your skill set.
Well, thankyou! I think it would be a great job! Anyone that is successful in retail or business of any kind realizes the first few seconds that a customer experiences in your establishment are the most important for ensuring a successful visit.
Greeters are important!
……………….you are an idiot price.
Walmart is the scourge of the retail world.
“Excuse me boxy?
I’ve done work that would kill you in an hour let alone a day.”
BlueJay, I’d like to hear about it just once, the truth, and ask why you are so bitter now towards anyone that has achieved anything.
Man, I’m not saying this now to strike out at you, you depress me with how bitter you seem to be. What the heck happened? If you’re physically disabled or something that’s one thing, but why hate everyone else not in the same pit you seem to be occupying.
I’m starting to think you really need some help, and I hope somehow you get it, but it ain’t gon’a be just a handout…got it.
God Bless You, you need it, we all do.
Even conservatives know he’s a liar and yet they want him to be president — great party
also McCain finished 5th from the bottom of his naval academy class significantly worse than the c student bush at yale — yeah lets elect another lying dummy
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30563.html
McCain, Politically Opportunistic Liar
February 04, 2008 01:00 PM EST
Some of John McCain’s alleged conservatism is real, but hardly all of it.
It has been revealed that McCain publicly proclaimed the conservative position on issues, but quietly cooperated with the liberals on them.
It also has been revealed, by John Fund of The Wall Street Journal, that McCain privately dismissed Justice Samuel Alito, Jr. as a person who “wears his conservatism on his sleeve” and not McCain’s idea of what a United States Supreme Court Justice should be.
It got worse: McCain lied about it instead of admitting it.
McCain’s a liar.
It’s sad, but true.
Ann Coulter just said so too.
Ann, January 30, 2008: “…McCain lies a lot….”
Ann elaborated:
“Recently, McCain responded to Mitt Romney’s statement that he understood the economy based on his many years in the private sector by claiming Romney had said a military career is not a ‘real job.’
“McCain’s neurotic boast that he is the only Republican who supported the surge is beginning to sound as insane as Bill Clinton’s claim to being the ‘first black president’ — although less insulting to blacks. As with the Clintons, you find yourself looking up such tedious facts as this, which ran a week after Bush announced the surge:
‘On the morning of Bush’s address, Romney endorsed a troop surge.’ — The National Journal, Jan. 13, 2007
“And yet for the 4 billionth time, at the Jan. 5, 2008, Republican debate, McCain bragged about his own raw courage in supporting the surge despite (apocryphal) Republican attacks, saying: ‘I said at the time that Gen. Petraeus and his strategy must be employed, and I was criticized by Republicans at that time. And that was a low point, but I stuck to it. I didn’t change.’
“A review of contemporaneous news stories about the surge clearly demonstrates that the only Republicans who were so much as ’skeptical’ of the surge consisted of a few oddball liberal Republicans such as Sens. Gordon Smith, Norm Coleman and Olympia Snowe.
“They certainly weren’t attacking McCain, their standard-bearer in liberal Republicanism. But even if they were, it was a ‘low point’ for McCain being ‘criticized’ by the likes of Olympia Snowe?”
Ann warned, “like the Democrats, McCain thinks if he simply says something over and over again, he can make people believe it’s true. Thus again at the South Carolina debate on Jan. 10, McCain was proclaiming that he was ‘the only one on this stage’ who supported the surge.”
It’s a big problem that the much of the media is helping McCain peddle his lies, and a bigger one that McCain became the kind of candidate he’s supposed to despise.
Ann did not allow McCain to get away even with his political analysis lies.
Ann:
“Mr. Straight Talk …announced…: ‘One of the reasons why I won in New Hampshire is because I went there and told them the truth.’ That and the fact that Democrats were allowed to vote in the Republican primary.
“Even in the Florida primary, allegedly limited to Republicans, McCain lost among Republicans. (Seventeen percent of the Republican primary voters in Florida called themselves ‘Independents.’)
Ann asked the obvious question, “… why would any Republican vote for McCain?,” and warned: “At least under President Hillary, Republicans in Congress would know that they’re supposed to fight back. When President McCain proposes the same ideas — tax hikes, liberal judges and Social Security for illegals — Republicans in Congress will support ‘our’ president ….”
Even more importantly, as stated, McCain’s true attitude toward Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. recently became public and McCain is lying about it!
Wendy Long, Judicial Confirmation Network General Counsel, in a Bench Memo title “He Said It” at National Review Online:
“It is incontrovertible. Multiple sources confirm that they remember it the same way. And they are not John Fund’s source, as Novak reports.
“Maybe McCain forgot. Other people didn’t. They, and many Americans, are genuinely concerned about this issue. As my post on Alito testimony reflects, this was indeed an issue in his confirmation. That Alito was purportedly a ‘conservative ideologue’ was a myth cooked up by liberal antagonists trying to bring down his nomination. Which is why so many people from across the political spectrum who knew then-Judge Alito came forward to refute it.
“McCain, long after the fact, repeated what the Ted Kennedy / Moveon / People for the American Way crowd said about Alito. We don’t know what to make of it, because it’s as outlandish as if McCain had said, ‘As President, I will not send a man to the moon, because the moon wears its green cheese on its sleeve.’
“It makes no sense. But he said it. Whether he remembers the specific comment or not, he did say it. So we need to try to understand it, or at least get some pretty detailed commitments from Senator McCain going forward. I hope he, and others, will understand why this is necessary. A President who confuses adherence to judicial restraint with conservative political decisions is very confused about how to select judges. It is one thing to vote for, and even praise, judges some other chief executive has picked (especially when it would be political suicide not to). It is another to discern good Supreme Court appointments. Just ask Ronald Reagan, or George Bush (pere or fils, take your pick).”
A man of McCain’s age forgetting such a remark might seem plausible, as Mrs. Long indicated, but a reliable source said that McCain is furious that Mr. Fund discovered what he had said and opted to lie.
McCain owes Americans the truth and Justice Alito an apology.
Mrs. Long’s post on Alito testimony, aptly titled “McCain and Alito: ‘conservatism on his sleeve’…not”: “Senator John McCain, as recently reported and discussed here and on The Corner, has said privately that he would not appoint jurists like Justice Samuel Alito, because he ‘wears his conservatism on his sleeve.’
“To refresh recollections: many of Justice Alito’s former law clerks, fellow Article III judges, and others — a good number of whom were liberal Democrats — testified during his Senate confirmation to the exact opposite proposition: that Justice Alito did not wear any political ideology or convictions ‘on his sleeve.’
“Just a sampling of that testimony:’Katherine L. Pringle (former law clerk, ‘committed and active Democrat’): ‘I learned in my year with Judge Alito that his approach to judging is not about personal ideology or ambition, but about hard work and devotion to law and justice. . . . Judge Alito did not, in my experience, ever treat a case as a platform for a personal agenda or ambition. Rather, his decisions are limited to the issue at hand. They demonstrate an effort to interpret honestly, and faithfully apply, the law to the parties that seek justice before him . . . .’
‘Jack White (former law clerk, member of the NAACP and the ACLU): ‘Working for Judge Alito, I saw in him an abiding loyalty to a fair judicial process as opposed to an enslaved inclination toward a political or personal ideology. . . . What I found most intriguing and particularly exceptional about Judge Alito’s judicial decision-making process was the conspicuous absence of personal predilections. . . . After a year of working closely with the judge on cases concerning a wide variety of legal issues, I left New Jersey not knowing Judge Alito’s personal beliefs on any of them. The reason I did not know Judge Alito’s personal beliefs was that the jurist’s ideology was never an issue in any case he considered while I was in his chambers. In fact, it is never an issue in any case. My fellow former co-clerks have agreed and communicated this notion in a letter we provided to this committee.’
‘Judge Edward Becker (Third Circuit Court of Appeals): ‘The Sam Alito that I have sat with for fifteen years is not an ideologue. He is not a movement person. He is a real judge, deciding each case on the facts and the law, not on his personal views whatever they may be. . . . Sam is said to have certain ideological views, expressed in some twenty-year-old memos. Whatever these views may have been, his judging does not reflect them. . . . Sam is faithful to his judicial oath.’
‘The Honorable Anthony Scirica (Chief Judge, Third Circuit Court of Appeals): ‘Judge Alito approaches each case with an open mind, and determines the proper application of the relevant law to the facts. He has a deep respect for precedent. His reasoning is scrupulous and meticulous. He does not reach out to decide issues not presented in the case. His personal views, whatever they might be, do not jeopardize the independence of his legal reasoning or his capacity to approach each issue with an open mind.’
‘Mr. Stephen L. Tober (Chairman, American Bar Association): ‘The Standing Committee has unanimously concluded that Judge Alito is ‘Well Qualified’ to serve as Associate Justice on the United States Supreme Court. His integrity, professional competence, and judicial temperament are indeed found to be of the highest standing.
‘Judge Alito is an individual who, we believe, sees majesty in the law, respects it, and remains a dedicated student of it to this day.’
‘Charles Fried (Former United States Solicitor General, who worked with Justice Alito in that office from the latter part of 1984 until he left the office at the end of 1985): ‘Alito was highly respected. Nor do I recall anyone bothering to mention that he had any particular political coloration. In preparation for this testimony I have checked my recollection with several alumni of the office from that time and they confirm what I report here.’”
Don’t count on McCain apologizing now, however.
As McCain admitted after the 2000 presidential campaign, he deceived and pandered to South Carolinians because he was desperate to win the primary.
If Justice Alito ever gets that apology, it will be AFTER McCain’s figures telling the truth will not hurt his political prospects.
Pray that Justice Alito gets that apology (for McCain’s sake, not Justice Alito’s sake).
Woops. Not meant to be THAT coy, sorry.
And our favorite educator makes his first positive contribution to the discussion.
Maybe we should send your pithy comments to your home every day on a post card.
Anything positive to add, Apophis?
Using old lonely people to put a friendlier face on the corporate goon that is Wal mart.
Yeah that is some coup they pulled there.
Ya know where those folks belong? They belong in schools like my 91 year old great aunt.
She volunteers as a “grandma” at an elementary school. A whole generation of kids has grown up knowing her wisdom and her love. SHE isn’t wasting away welcoming people to Wal mart.
well now we know that Box works at Walmart since he knows so much about the working conditions there.
The Conservatives whine and cry about welfare for the poor PEOPLE, yet they applaud welfare for corporations and oil companies.
Hypocrites, each and every one of them.
“But corporations provide JOBS!”
Horseskit – corporations provide BONUSES for executives.
So much for the concept of “compassionate conservatives.”
Moth – er – fuc- ckers.
I hope you all die soon – as in – tonight.
Junior,
I’m happy to agree that I do enjoy the occasional steak and potato. Preferably a rib eye, medium rare, USDA Prime. And cheesecake. =)
‘Course, it’s purchased with my OWN hard-earned income.
And while we’re reminiscing, I remember you, too, Junior. You were the 130 lb feminine dude with a lisp or some sort of speech issue that resulted in a SHOWER of spit with each word you spoke.
I swore I’d bring a towel to the next WEBlog meeting. And then I swore never to waste the time again.
There’s the Clark we all know and love! We’re going to miss ya!
“BlueJay, I’d like to hear about it just once, the truth, and ask why you are so bitter now towards anyone that has achieved anything.”
I’ve seen what “achievement” takes in this country.
Personal story here. Names changed to protect the guilty and the innocent.
I worked aircraft. For a awhile in Trichlor degrease. Look it up. Nasty and now illegal stuff.
I had this guy helping me. I didn’t know he was a climber.
Well there was this other fella ran one of the press machines. Big guy. He and my helper got into it and I defended my helper.
And got shoved 10 feet across the shop into a wall for my efforts.
And my helper? Well he was an aspiring manager. He eventually was my boss. He forgot all about me sticking up for him.
That’s what it takes to be an “achiever” in this country. Being a back biting jerk. It just aint in me.
HLP,
Just last week, while my wife was looking around the garden area at Walmart I started talking with the greeter in that section. Man, did I have a great, and educational time. This guy is 79 yrs/old and seemingly healthy and strong. He has money, in fact his family owns property out around Alma and Fairplay, Colorado, close to Leadville and they own both gold and silver mines. I know, I know….fish on the line was I. Well maybe, but he said there is decent ore there but the cost to extract, and more importantly the cost to get it to the nearest smelter is just to high with fuel prices the way they are now, and they can only break even if that from operating. He works, yes for the income, but also to stay occupied. And ya know, he does a great job.
The lady, black and also of social security age or beyond, at the back auto service area and there to check receipts and merchandise as you leave….she’s great. I tease her about not wanting to come to Walmart anymore because I can’t sneak items past her, and she won’t let up. No matter how ‘familiar’ I work at becoming she does her job and checks me. Now I think she goes overboard just because I tease her so much.
Those folks do great jobs and like their jobs, and I get good product and good prices and have a couple of friends there.
Apophis, don’t make ‘bad’ of Walmart, those folks aren’t and they are working productively.
I have yet to believe that about you and resent my tax dollars going for the job I imagine you do.
“I swore I’d bring a towel to the next WEBlog meeting”
Then you showed up with breath that would kill a yak, Goofie………
All of what you said, BJ, is true (I have no doubt). Unfortunately, none of it is true generally. What I mean is that your experience can’t be generalized to the economy as a whole. There are really bad workers and really bad managers. There are really great workers and really great managers. In real life the combinations aren’t always ideal.
Open your mind to fair play.
Well what ya got there from the goofnut is a flat out lie. And I have several witnesses to prove it.
You and I did not meet Goofy. I made the decision you were not worth talking to. Hank was there. Ask him. I didn’t talk to him either.
You MAY be thinking of outlander but more likely you are remembering Joe Williams.
“I’m happy to agree that I do enjoy the occasional steak and potato. Preferably a rib eye, medium rare, USDA Prime. And cheesecake. =)”
Yeah also probably a dozen eggs, a loaf of toast and a ham there round boy.
DA, you weren’t there. Only a moron…
Nah, nevermind. Most everyone here already knows what you are.
I’ll close for the night that Walmart is the SCOURGE of the retail world.
If you support Walmart, you are obviously reichwing scum.
Junior,
It was you. You were there with your son. You have a drooling or spitting issue. I didn’t speak to you, but I sure saw you. Fortunately, from a distance.
Apophis,
And where do you waste your money…idiot.
Is that right there goofy?
Then, surely you can tell me what I was wearing.
(I’ll give our liar a hint. The meetup was in February.)
Bonus points if he remembers what editor Rhonda asked me to ask my son to do.
Cue the theme from Jeapordy for our round boy.
“DA, you weren’t there. Only a moron…”
Hell, Golfie, your breath made the front page of the Eagle.
Christ, your breath melted the pavement at the Eagle.
Your breath is legendary – the stink is beyond human comprehension.
“Junior,
It was you. You were there with your son. You have a drooling or spitting issue. ”
Hum, just thinking….BlueJay, I wonder if that, “And got shoved 10 feet across the shop into a wall for my efforts” that you said happened to you had anything to do with your present unsocial, repulsive condition.
If so, I am sorry for saying those things, but since I did say them you can tell I don’t blame that shove for ‘you being you’.
I don’t recall JR spitting at all.
And Goofytesticles, you totally misrepresented yourself.
Walmart provides quality? Not. I bought a set of tires there once …never ever again. The tires went bald in two months, and I took them back and they did that…however much tread you have left thing…and I told them to keep their money I wasn’t going to be suckered into buying another set of tires there again…and I haven’t.
Same car, the next set of tires ended up lasting me nearly two years. From Sears.
ALL retail stores pay their employees too little compared to their profits. Its the executives that make the big bucks.
They get their products created by slave labor, and sell it at an outstanding markup. I think that perhaps it is getting so bad that we might need a law that says you have to devote a percentage of profit to your employees. I know that sound socialistic…but we can’t rely on employers to do the right thing anymore.
Good night all, both friend and, well…not.
We are all caught in our own personal struggles, some it seems more difficult than others, but none the less all in the same pot. And ya know, we all have to solve it ourselves, not expecting anyone else to carry our load.
Since I don’t expect anyone to carry mine, I’m out of here to get some rest….got’a be strong for the love ones.
I’m very social there “Boxlock”.
I’m a social Democrat. Remember?
I just know who it is I am better off hating as opposed to trusting.
And let’s humiliate the goofnut further.
You sat on the left side of the room there Goof. I mean from the editors speaking perspective. Hank sat near you.
Where was I sitting el guordo?
Thanks political mama.
You sat down front with linda and Julie as I recall. I was very pleased to meet you.
Whatcha got goofy golf?
“ALL retail stores pay their employees too little compared to their profits. Its the executives that make the big bucks.”
Come on P_mama, if it weren’t for the executives and the investors the employees wouldn’t even have their jobs. Maybe they do get paid excessively, but who are you or anyone else to decide that. The market will eventually, it always does.
“we might need a law that says you have to devote a percentage of profit to your employees. I know that sound socialistic”
It’s worse than that, the investors and the businesses would go AWAY, and so would the jobs.
Everyone deserves a fair wage. Without employees, investors have nothing. Without workers, who is going to make the money for the investors?
Treat them well and they will treat you well.
““we might need a law that says you have to devote a percentage of profit to your employees. I know that sound socialistic”
It’s worse than that, the investors and the businesses would go AWAY, and so would the jobs.”
I love it when this former conservative can take the newfangled version to school.
My response is?
Let ‘em. Let Wal mart go away. 30 mom and pops will open up again.
What the rich are gonna take their money and run to Costa Rica?
Again, let ‘em and good riddance.
Now, that’s probably tough on the peddler types like “Boxlock”. At least short run.
We need to be thinking beyond the short run. Or this country is doomed.
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Apophis
Posted July 26, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink
I’ll close for the night that Walmart is the SCOURGE of the retail world.
If you support Walmart, you are obviously reichwing scum.
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Let’s take a closer look at some of these Walmart reichwing scum.
In 1986, Sam Walton, the founder of Wal-Mart, had a problem. He was under growing pressure from shareholders — and his wife, Helen — to appoint a woman to the company’s 15-member board of directors.
So Mr. Walton turned to a young lawyer who just happened to be married to the governor of Arkansas, where Wal-Mart is based: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Mrs. Clinton’s six-year tenure as a director of Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest company, remains a little known chapter in her closely scrutinized career. And it is little known for a reason. Mrs. Clinton rarely, if ever, discusses it, leaving her board membership out of her speeches and off her campaign Web site.
Fellow board members and company executives, who have not spoken publicly about her role at Wal-Mart, say Mrs. Clinton used her position to champion personal causes, like the need for more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program, despite being Wal-Mart’s only female director, the youngest and arguably the least experienced in business. On other topics, like Wal-Mart’s vehement anti-unionism, for example, she was largely silent, they said.
Her years on the Wal-Mart board, from 1986 to 1992, gave her an unusual tutorial in the ways of American business — a credential that could serve as an antidote to Republican efforts to portray her as an enemy of free markets and an advocate for big government.
But that education came via a company that the Democratic Party — and its major ally, organized labor — has held up as a model of what is wrong with American business, with both groups accusing it of offering unaffordable health insurance and mistreating its workers.
cont’d at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html
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Yeah, scum.
Good night; Good luck; God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!!
So mote it be!!
Senator Clinton made Wal mart better?
Hey I made a major aircraft manufacturer better. I got a vice President there fired. I saved the government millions of dollars in un neccesary operations charges. I cost a corrupt union plant chair his elected office. I loved some of what I was doing. Just not who I was doing it for.
Did you ever have to work for anybody James? You’ve been on the dole a long time. Before that you SAY you were military which really does not count.
I’m not sorry for saying that I really do not think that someone who buys two houses on disability and other government aid really is not qualified to comment on the working people in this country. I mean, you are not in it. Except for maybe being the person who tells someone more industrious than you to do this or that.
Mowing lawns for a living Remil doesn’t make you an expert on anything.
Your old Union story gets more and more exaggerated each time you tell it Remil.
I’ve had many jobs, before and after the military.
But a nice try, from the drooling – spitting midget who lives with his momma and has an illegitimate child.
Hank,
Thank you for yet again proving that the AGW debate is over.
Hank posted at 6:10 am: “As a former finance minister, Lawson does not pretend to be an expert on the details of atmospheric physics.”
And Lawson’s proof(sic) that the “science is uncertain” was a very flawed survey.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-726/#comment-390589
‘Useless on-line survey of climate scientists’‘
“For username enter “respondent” (without quotation marks)
For password enter “ccsurvey” (again without the quotation marks).”
Oh I was getting ready to retire but this is too much fun!
“Mowing lawns for a living Remil doesn’t make you an expert on anything.”
I love this perpetual and wrong guessing at my real name. I am sorry if anyone innocent gets hurt by it.
Well yeah James mowing lawns and the other stuff I do for a living as opposed to living off of others like you do IS educational.
A tale of two lawns here.
I took care of a lawn the other day. It had really gotten away. I mean we are talking 3 feet tall gotten away. I did it because I wanted to help this person and yeah I always need the money.
My contract insisted on paying me more than agreed on. In this case, my contract was with a liberal.
Now last year? I did lawn work for a TOTAL bushbot. 15 bucks for a regular size lawn IS cut rate. But these folks were neighbors of my Mom.
Late last summer, I had a political discussion with my contract.
We did NOT agree on much of anything. Indeed there was some shouting and heated exchange.
So comes this year, Mom’s neighbor says “You can do the job. But you have to bring your own tools and mower. You can’t use mine. And you must thank me for the opportunity every time I pay you the 15 dollars. I want you to acknowledge and learn that I am employing you and you work for me.”
Yeah.
Well I’m TOLD he is getting his yard mowed this year for 40 bucks a shot.
I’ll dignify the rest of James McCluer’s post only to indulge his continued existence.
At 5 foot nine and a half, I am no midget. I also do not live with my mother.
You live with your sister don’t you James? And calling my son illegitimate?
Well I didn’t marry his mother. Does that reduce his legitimacy as a human being?
Maybe to her. Maybe to you. Not to me.
This week’s Frank Rich –
How Obama Became Acting President
By FRANK RICH
IT almost seems like a gag worthy of “Borat”: A smooth-talking rookie senator with an exotic name passes himself off as the incumbent American president to credulous foreigners. But to dismiss Barack Obama’s magical mystery tour through old Europe and two war zones as a media-made fairy tale would be to underestimate the ingenious politics of the moment. History was on the march well before Mr. Obama boarded his plane, and his trip was perfectly timed to reap the whirlwind.
He never would have been treated as a president-in-waiting by heads of state or network talking heads if all he offered were charisma, slick rhetoric and stunning visuals. What drew them instead was the raw power Mr. Obama has amassed: the power to start shaping events and the power to move markets, including TV ratings. (Even “Access Hollywood” mustered a 20 percent audience jump by hosting the Obama family.) Power begets more power, absolutely.
The growing Obama clout derives not from national polls, where his lead is modest. Nor is it a gift from the press, which still gives free passes to its old bus mate John McCain. It was laughable to watch journalists stamp their feet last week to try to push Mr. Obama into saying he was “wrong” about the surge. More than five years and 4,100 American fatalities later, they’re still not demanding that Mr. McCain admit he was wrong when he assured us that our adventure in Iraq would be fast, produce little American “bloodletting” and “be paid for by the Iraqis.”
Never mind. This election remains about the present and the future, where Iraq’s $10 billion a month drain on American pocketbooks and military readiness is just one moving part in a matrix of national crises stretching from the gas pump to Pakistan. That’s the high-rolling political casino where Mr. Obama amassed the chips he cashed in last week. The “change” that he can at times wield like a glib marketing gimmick is increasingly becoming a substantive reality — sometimes through Mr. Obama’s instigation, sometimes by luck. Obama-branded change is snowballing, whether it’s change you happen to believe in or not.
Looking back now, we can see that the fortnight preceding the candidate’s flight to Kuwait was like a sequence in an old movie where wind blows away calendar pages to announce an epochal plot turn. First, on July 7, the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, dissed Bush dogma by raising the prospect of a withdrawal timetable for our troops. Then, on July 15, Mr. McCain suddenly noticed that more Americans are dying in Afghanistan than Iraq and called for more American forces to be sent there. It was a long-overdue recognition of the obvious that he could no longer avoid: both Robert Gates, the defense secretary, and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had already called for more American troops to battle the resurgent Taliban, echoing the policy proposed by Mr. Obama a year ago.
On July 17 we learned that President Bush, who had labeled direct talks with Iran “appeasement,” would send the No. 3 official in the State Department to multilateral nuclear talks with Iran. Lest anyone doubt that the White House had moved away from the rigid stand endorsed by Mr. McCain and toward Mr. Obama’s, a former Rumsfeld apparatchik weighed in on The Wall Street Journal’s op-ed page: “Now Bush Is Appeasing Iran.”
Within 24 hours, the White House did another U-turn, endorsing an Iraq withdrawal timetable as long as it was labeled a “general time horizon.” In a flash, as Mr. Obama touched down in Kuwait, Mr. Maliki approvingly cited the Democratic candidate by name while laying out a troop-withdrawal calendar of his own that, like Mr. Obama’s, would wind down in 2010. On Tuesday, the British prime minister, Gordon Brown, announced a major drawdown of his nation’s troops by early 2009.
But it’s not merely the foreign policy consensus that is shifting Obama-ward. The Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens has now joined another high-profile McCain supporter, Arnold Schwarzenegger, in knocking the McCain nostrum that America can drill its way out of its energy crisis. Mr. Pickens, who financed the Swift-boat campaign smearing John Kerry in 2004, was thought to be a sugar daddy for similar assaults against the Democrats this year. Instead, he is underwriting nonpartisan ads promoting wind power and speaks of how he would welcome Al Gore as energy czar if there’s an Obama administration.
The Obama stampede is forcing Mr. McCain to surrender on other domestic fronts. After the Democrat ran ads in 14 states berating chief executives who are “making more in 10 minutes” than many workers do in a year, a newly populist Mr. McCain began railing against “corporate greed” — much as he also followed Mr. Obama’s example and belatedly endorsed a homeowners’ bailout he had at first opposed. Given that Mr. McCain has already used a refitted, hand-me-down Obama campaign slogan (“A Leader You Can Believe In”), it can’t be long before he takes up fist bumps. They’ve become the rage among young (nonterrorist) American businessmen, according to USA Today.
“We have one president at a time,” Mr. Obama is careful to say. True, but the sitting president, a lame duck despised by voters and shunned by his own party’s candidates, now has all the gravitas of Mr. Cellophane in “Chicago.” The opening for a successor arrived prematurely, and the vacuum had been waiting to be filled. What was most striking about the Obama speech in Berlin was not anything he said so much as the alternative reality it fostered: many American children have never before seen huge crowds turn out abroad to wave American flags instead of burn them.
Mr. McCain could also have stepped into the leadership gap left by Mr. Bush’s de facto abdication. His inability to even make a stab at doing so is troubling. While drama-queen commentators on television last week were busy building up false suspense about the Obama trip — will he make a world-class gaffe? will he have too large an audience in Germany? — few focused on the alarms that Mr. McCain’s behavior at home raise about his fitness to be president.
Once again the candidate was making factual errors about the only subject he cares about, imagining an Iraq-Pakistan border and garbling the chronology of the Anbar Awakening. Once again he displayed a tantrum-prone temperament ill-suited to a high-pressure 21st-century presidency. His grim-faced crusade to brand his opponent as a traitor who wants to “lose a war” isn’t even a competent impersonation of Joe McCarthy. Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace.
The week’s most revealing incident occurred on Wednesday when the new, supposedly improved McCain campaign management finalized its grand plan to counter Mr. Obama’s Berlin speech with a “Mission Accomplished”-like helicopter landing on an oil rig off Louisiana’s coast. The announcement was posted on politico.com even as any American with a television could see that Hurricane Dolly was imminent. Needless to say, this bit of theater was almost immediately “postponed” but not before raising the question of whether a McCain administration would be just as hapless in anticipating the next Katrina as the Bush-Brownie storm watch.
When not plotting such stunts, the McCain campaign whines about its lack of press attention like a lover jilted for a younger guy. The McCain camp should be careful what it wishes for. As its relentless goading of Mr. Obama to visit Iraq only ratcheted up anticipation for the Democrat’s triumphant trip, so its insistent demand for joint town-hall meetings with Mr. Obama and for more televised chronicling of Mr. McCain’s wanderings could be self-inflicted disasters in the making.
Mr. McCain may be most comfortable at town-hall meetings before largely friendly crowds, but his performance under pressure at this year’s G.O.P. primary debates was erratic. His sound-bite-deep knowledge of the country’s No. 1 issue, the economy, is a Gerald Ford train wreck waiting to happen in any matchup with Mr. Obama that requires focused, time-limited answers rather than rambling.
During Mr. McCain’s last two tours of the Middle East — conducted without the invasive scrutiny of network anchors — the only news he generated was his confusion of Sunni with Shia and his embarrassing stroll through a “safe” Baghdad market with helicopter cover. He should thank his stars that few TV viewers saw that he was even less at home when walking through a chaotic Pennsylvania supermarket last week. He inveighed against the price of milk while reading from a note card and felt the pain of a shopper planted by the local Republican Party.
The election remains Mr. Obama’s to lose, and he could lose it, whether through unexpected events, his own vanity or a vice-presidential misfire. But what we’ve learned this month is that America, our allies and most likely the next Congress are moving toward Mr. Obama’s post-Iraq vision of the future, whether he reaches the White House or not. That’s some small comfort as we contemplate the strange alternative offered by the Republicans: a candidate so oblivious to our nation’s big challenges ahead that he is doubling down in his campaign against both Mr. Maliki and Mr. Obama to be elected commander in chief of the surge.
Junior,
I have no idea what you were wearing. It was 18 months ago. I certainly remember (with a couple of exceptions) the overwhelming trailerparky feel of the crowd. It was like going to a parent-teacher meeting at an elementary school in Planeview. *shiver*
And there were more than a couple that I wanted to send to a dentist. Immediately.
I did, however, enjoy a couple of beers afterward with two of the more normal members of the audience. THAT part of the evening was far more tolerable.
You’re still a lawn boy Remil, living on your momma’s dime and living with your bastard son.
Yeah, 5′9 1/2″ is short to me. The top of your head would maybe come to the level of my chest.
Midget and all time stupid post on the blog.
JR, WE Blog’s stupid poster.
BSP
“. I certainly remember (with a couple of exceptions) the overwhelming trailerparky feel of the crowd. It was like going to a parent-teacher meeting at an elementary school in Planeview. *shiver*”
That must have been who you sat with there goof.
Hank was back there. GMC too. YOU were wearing a red sweater shirt and had a about a 20 day growth of beard.
More fun?
I work for a living there James McCluer.
I’ve see you too.
Dude? A bathe and a shave is really recommended.
And after I kicked your wrist canes out from under you? What are you? About 2 feet tall?
And you’re a hypocrite TOO! Like all cons.
And you attack my son.
Wasn’t it YOU who attacked Capn America for FAR less than you have said here and just now?
I bet sis is asleep now James. Maybe you can sneak in and take pictures.
Bluejay, the BSP is still denying what he is. I didn’t attack your son, I called him a bastard, which by the very definition of the word is what he is.
You make accusation about people you’ve never seen from more than 30 feet away. Like your observations about my hygiene. Pathetic and expected from the BSP.
I doubt there is a thing you could do against me physically Remil. You’ve brought that kicking out the canes before. I invite you to come over to try. You’ll be sent home to momma with your ass in a sling.
You should have dropped your bastard son off at an orphanage. At least he would have led a normal life and learned how to make adult decisions.
Oh how long DO I torment the insane?
Are you responsible for the BLOGS DUMBEST POSTER James?
I did coin that term for BDP fleetwood.
Is that you among your many other nics?
And now you steal it to try and name me.
“I doubt there is a thing you could do against me physically”
Well doubt away cootster. But don’t sweat it. Well not much anyway. I don’t make my way be hurting others as you do.
And before you judge me and my son James McCluer, I ‘ll oblige you to extoll YOUR parenting experience.
The BSP chirps another peep.
Junior and his bastard son earning their way to Liberaldom, one lawn at a time.
“Bastard” is a damned broad term these days.
I’ve met many people here who I would call bastards. I can call them a lot worse.
But all you have James McCluer is to attack my son because his mother and I were not married?
And I GAVE you that.
If my son saw you on the street, he would help you.
But if he knew who you really were? He’d kick out your wrist canes too.
Junior, that WEBlog meeting obviously meant a lot more to you than it did to me. I couldn’t tell you what I wore. I do remember this:
- PeeMom was exactly what I expected.
- CF stood so close to me during conversation that he made me uncomfortable. I questioned his sexual preference.
- Junior is a spitter.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 27, 2008 at 12:18 am
“Yeah, 5′9 1/2″ is short to me. The top of your head would maybe come to the level of my chest.”
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IIRC, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has posted that he’s around 6′4″.
He either lied about that, or he’s severely deformed, with a very, very tiny head/brain.
5′9 1/2″ is close to eye level for the average 6′4″ human.
But considering multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ posts here, he may actually have a very, very tiny head/brain?
Your welfare and your sis keep you in clover there James McCluer?
Heck my 14 year old son could kick your ass. And I’d give him permission.
Oh my.
“Regular” comes up with –
“I didn’t attack your son, I called him a bastard…”
“Junior is a spitter.”
How DID you discern that from behind me and across the room there golf?
Did my son tell you? He got your signature on the poster that Crowson made available to the meetup.
He described you as creepy.
To nearly all of the posters of the last 45 minutes or so:
You deserve each other.
Read this tomorrow, and tell me this is writing you’re proud of; something you are glad is recorded in semi-permanancy.
Idiots.
“earning their way ”
Thanks for the cred there James McCluer.
When did you last earn your way?
GMC70,
Are you defending multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ posts?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390834
“IIRC, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has posted that he’s around 6?4?. — cosmos
Almost all conservatives have the physique of John Wayne.
Typical drunk and drugged up WSCLARK in all his glory:
“Moth – er – fuc- ckers.
I hope you all die soon – as in – tonight.”
Even liberals should be ashamed to claim the likes of it.
But I guess that’s the best contribution Clark has ever provided to the WEBLOG, so I shouldn’t be too critical.
I really don’t know why the editors don’t pay attention.
Generally, it appears the WEBLOG reverts to name-calling, put downs, and personal attacks in the late evening hours.
Why bother bloggin here?
::: looking back at last night :::
Memo to self: never ever WEBlog after multiple glasses of wine.
*whew*
GMC70
Posted July 27, 2008 at 1:09 am | Permalink
To nearly all of the posters of the last 45 minutes or so:
You deserve each other.
Read this tomorrow, and tell me this is writing you’re proud of; something you are glad is recorded in semi-permanancy.
Idiots.
*****
You know it is starting to scare me that GMC is starting to make sense. Does this mean I am going crazy? I sincerely hope not.