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NSA = Admiral Poindexters favorite spy on americans toy…
Exposing Bush’s historic abuse of power Salon has uncovered new evidence of post-9/11 spying on Americans. Obtained documents point to a potential investigation of the White House that could rival Watergate.
Editor’s note: This article is part of a Salon investigative series on spying inside the United States by the Bush administration.
Research support for the article was provided by the Nation Institute Investigative Fund.
By Tim Shorrock
July 23, 2008 | WASHINGTON — The last several years have brought a parade of dark revelations about the George W. Bush administration, from the manipulation of intelligence to torture to extrajudicial spying inside the United States. But there are growing indications that these known abuses of power may only be the tip of the iceberg. Now, in the twilight of the Bush presidency, a movement is stirring in Washington for a sweeping new inquiry into White House malfeasance that would be modeled after the famous Church Committee congressional investigation of the 1970s.
While reporting on domestic surveillance under Bush, Salon obtained a detailed memo proposing such an inquiry, and spoke with several sources involved in recent discussions around it on Capitol Hill. The memo was written by a former senior member of the original Church Committee; the discussions have included aides to top House Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers, and until now have not been disclosed publicly.
Salon has also uncovered further indications of far-reaching and possibly illegal surveillance conducted by the National Security Agency inside the United States under President Bush. That includes the alleged use of a top-secret, sophisticated database system for monitoring people considered to be a threat to national security. It also includes signs of the NSA’s working closely with other U.S. government agencies to track financial transactions domestically as well as globally.
The proposal for a Church Committee-style investigation emerged from talks between civil liberties advocates and aides to Democratic leaders in Congress, according to sources involved. (Pelosi’s and Conyers’ offices both declined to comment.) Looking forward to 2009, when both Congress and the White House may well be controlled by Democrats, the idea is to have Congress appoint an investigative body to discover the full extent of what the Bush White House did in the war on terror to undermine the Constitution and U.S. and international laws. The goal would be to implement government reforms aimed at preventing future abuses — and perhaps to bring accountability for wrongdoing by Bush officials.
“If we know this much about torture, rendition, secret prisons and warrantless wiretapping despite the administration’s attempts to stonewall, then imagine what we don’t know,” says a senior Democratic
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/07/23/new_churchcomm/index.html
Roy Spencer’s testimony before Congress backs up Monckton’s assertions on climate sensitivity
Excerpt below from the Wattmaster
Dr. Roy Spencer went to Washington to give testimony today to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. Here is his presentation. While not as technical as Lord Moncktons paper at APS (since it had to be simplified for a congressional hearing), it nonetheless says the same thing – climate sensitivity is overstated by models and not supported by observational data.
Testimony of Roy W. Spencer before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on 22 July 2008 (A printable PDF of this testimony can be found here)
I would like to thank Senator Boxer and members of the Committee for allowing me to discuss my experiences as a NASA employee engaged in global warming research, as well as to provide my current views on the state of the science of global warming and climate change.
I have a PhD in Meteorology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and have been involved in global warming research for close to twenty years. I have numerous peer reviewed scientific articles dealing with the measurement and interpretation of climate variability and climate change. I am also the U.S. Science Team Leader for the AMSR-E instrument flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite.
1. White House Involvement in the Reporting of Agency Employees’ Work
On the subject of the Administration’s involvement in policy-relevant scientific work performed by government employees in the EPA, NASA, and other agencies, I can provide some perspective based upon my previous experiences as a NASA employee. For example, during the Clinton-Gore Administration I was told what I could and could not say during congressional testimony. Since it was well known that I am skeptical of the view that mankind’s greenhouse gas emissions are mostly responsible for global warming, I assumed that this advice was to help protect Vice President Gore’s agenda on the subject.
This did not particularly bother me, though, since I knew that as an employee of an Executive Branch agency my ultimate boss resided in the White House. To the extent that my work had policy relevance, it seemed entirely appropriate to me that the privilege of working for NASA included a responsibility to abide by direction given by my superiors.
But I eventually tired of the restrictions I had to abide by as a government employee, and in the fall of 2001 I resigned from NASA and accepted my current position as a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Despite my resignation from NASA, I continue to serve as Team Leader on the AMSR-E instrument flying on the NASA Aqua satellite, and maintain a good working relationship with other government researchers.
2. Global Warming Science: The Latest Research
Regarding the currently popular theory that mankind is responsible for global warming, I am very pleased to deliver good news from the front lines of climate change research. Our latest research results, which I am about to describe, could have an enormous impact on policy decisions regarding greenhouse gas emissions.
Despite decades of persistent uncertainty over how sensitive the climate system is to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, we now have new satellite evidence which strongly suggests that the climate system is much less sensitive than is claimed by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Another way of saying this is that the real climate system appears to be dominated by “negative feedbacks” — instead of the “positive feedbacks” which are displayed by all twenty computerized climate models utilized by the IPCC. (Feedback parameters larger than 3.3 Watts per square meter per degree Kelvin (Wm-2K-1) indicate negative feedback, while feedback parameters smaller than 3.3 indicate positive feedback.)
If true, an insensitive climate system would mean that we have little to worry about in the way of manmade global warming and associated climate change. And, as we will see, it would also mean that the warming we have experienced in the last 100 years is mostly natural. Of course, if climate change is mostly natural then it is largely out of our control, and is likely to end — if it has not ended already, since satellite-measured global temperatures have not warmed for at least seven years now.
2.1 Theoretical evidence that climate sensitivity has been overestimated
The support for my claim of low climate sensitivity (net negative feedback) for our climate system is two-fold. First, we have a new research article1 in-press in the Journal of Climate which uses a simple climate model to show that previous estimates of the sensitivity of the climate system from satellite data were biased toward the high side by the neglect of natural cloud variability. It turns out that the failure to account for natural, chaotic cloud variability generated internal to the climate system will always lead to the illusion of a climate system which appears more sensitive than it really is.
Significantly, prior to its acceptance for publication, this paper was reviewed by two leading IPCC climate model experts – Piers Forster and Isaac Held– both of whom agreed that we have raised a legitimate issue. Piers Forster, an IPCC report lead author and a leading expert on the estimation of climate sensitivity, even admitted in his review of our paper that other climate modelers need to be made aware of this important issue.
To be fair, in a follow-up communication Piers Forster stated to me his belief that the net effect of the new understanding on climate sensitivity estimates would likely be small. But as we shall see, the latest evidence now suggests otherwise.
2.2 Observational evidence that climate sensitivity has been overestimated
The second line of evidence in support of an insensitive climate system comes from the satellite data themselves. While our work in-press established the existence of an observational bias in estimates of climate sensitivity, it did not address just how large that bias might be.
But in the last several weeks, we have stumbled upon clear and convincing observational evidence of particularly strong negative feedback (low climate sensitivity) from our latest and best satellite instruments. That evidence includes our development of two new methods for extracting the feedback signal from either observational or climate model data, a goal which has been called the “holy grail” of climate research.
The first method separates the true signature of feedback, wherein radiative flux variations are highly correlated to the temperature changes which cause them, from internally-generated radiative forcings, which are uncorrelated to the temperature variations which result from them. It is the latter signal which has been ignored in all previous studies, the neglect of which biases feedback diagnoses in the direction of positive feedback (high climate sensitivity).
Based upon global oceanic climate variations measured by a variety of NASA and NOAA satellites during the period 2000 through 2005 we have found a signature of climate sensitivity so low that it would reduce future global warming projections to below 1 deg. C by the year 2100. As can be seen in Fig. 1, that estimate from satellite data is much less sensitive (a larger diagnosed feedback) than even the least sensitive of the 20 climate models which the IPCC summarizes in its report. It is also consistent with our previously published analysis of feedbacks associated with tropical intraseasonal oscillations
More here:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/roy-spencers-testimony-before-congress-backs-up-moncktons-assertions-on-climate-sensitivity/
Good Morning All, thought some of you ‘less confident liberals’ might enjoy reading this.
By: Peter Schweizer
“The American left prides itself on being superior to conservatives: more generous, less materialistic, more tolerant, more intellectual, and more selfless. For years scholars have constructed—and the media has pushed—elaborate theories designed to demonstrate that conservatives suffer from a host of personality defects and character flaws. According to these supposedly unbiased studies, conservatives are mean-spirited, greedy, selfish malcontents with authoritarian tendencies. Far from the belief of a few cranks, prominent liberals from John Kenneth Galbraith to Hillary Clinton have succumbed to these prejudices. But what do the facts show?
Peter Schweizer has dug deep—through tax documents, scholarly data, primary opinion research surveys, and private records—and has discovered that these claims are a myth. Indeed, he shows that many of these claims actually apply more to liberals than conservatives. Much as he did in his bestseller Do as I Say (Not as I Do), he brings to light never-before-revealed facts that will upset conventional wisdom.
Conservatives such as Ronald Reagan and Robert Bork have long argued that liberal policies promote social decay. Schweizer, using the latest data and research, exposes how, in general:
* Liberals are more self-centered than conservatives.
* Conservatives are more generous and charitable than liberals.
* Liberals are more envious and less hardworking than conservatives.
* Conservatives value truth more than liberals, and are less prone to cheating and lying.
* Liberals are more angry than conservatives.
* Conservatives are actually more knowledgeable than liberals.
* Liberals are more dissatisfied and unhappy than conservatives.
Schweizer argues that the failure lies in modern liberal ideas, which foster a self-centered, “if it feels good do it” attitude that leads liberals to outsource their responsibilities to the government and focus instead on themselves and their own desires.”
The Book: Makers and Takers: Why conservatives work harder, feel happier, have closer families, take fewer drugs, give more generously, value honesty more, are less materialistic and…By: Peter Schweizer
Thanks Boxlock!
As a conservative I also have a better sense of humor than most liberals.
If fact, if I wasn’t so modest I’d be perfect!
Agreed HLP, ha.
Good day to you.
Thanks for posting that, Box! I must admit it has been tiresome to see the constant bashing by mean spirited people on this blog…this report is a refreshing change!
Sadly, it isn’t just here…one comment on the Opinion Line a few months ago about never seeing Republicans working at the Lord’s Diner proves how pervasive (and innacurate) that line of thinking has become.
As a conservative I also have a better sense of humor than most liberals.
Oh, yeah, I have SO noticed the plethora of conservative comedians out there.
Sorry, HLP, but laughing at those less fortunate or making fun of them is NOT a sign of a good sense of humor.
Pre, McCain shares that same type sense of humor — tasteless and insulting. Soooo funny.
On second thought…I must say that I don’t agree with pigeonholing people’s personality based on their political preferences. Far too often I see gross generalizations saying “all libs are like that” or “typical con for saying that” or similar thoughts.
To claim that people behave in a certain way that is predictable based on their political preference is a reach…in my opinion.
boxlicker = scroll over territory
I dont know why you all bother reading that crap.
The blog is SO much better when I’m stocked up on mouse grease!
Raptor,
It’s human nature. Funny how it only hurts when it’s directed at YOUR side. (”YOUR” being relative, not indicating “Raptor”, per se.) It’s considered a generalization. Live with it.
I would expect the “Right” to come out with a book that makes them look better. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)
For instance, I’m a liberal. I more than likely, alhtough not always, will vote for a Democrat. I’m not ashamed. I don’t hug trees, but I’m called a tree-hugger, and it doesn’t bother me. In fact I invite “you” to call me that. It only shows narrow-minded ignorance.
Oh, and have a great day! :)
Linda,
I canNOT listen to Dubya speak. Doing so makes me nauseous.
McCain, on the other hand, just puts me to sleep. B-O-R-I-N-G
How many people here switch the channel or press the mute control when Bush comes on?
Must be national air-head and blond day.
“boxlicker = scroll over territory” — KFG
Interesting choice of language.
Mouse grease?
“take fewer drugs” — Boxlicker
If you don’t count alcohol and tobacco, of course.
“Conservatives are more generous and charitable than liberals” — Poxlock
Only when you count church donations.
Charity should only be reserved for God-fearing folk.
Would-Be Burglar Shot
http://www.nbc6.net/news/16937095/detail.html
“Police said the man shot was one of two thieves who tried to burglarize a house in the 2400 block of 117th Avenue about 2 a.m.”
Man killed trying to rob home, police say
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/07/21/chapel.ART_ART_07-21-08_B3_M4AQ8R4.html?sid=101
“An 18-year-old man armed with a BB gun was fatally shot while trying to rob the residents of a Franklinton home yesterday afternoon, police said.”
Linda,
Why do you care about McCain telling jokes which are tasteless and insulting when you claim loyalty to a friend, WS Clark, who is far more tasteless and insulting than McCain has ever been (not telling jokes either)?
“WS Clark, who is far more tasteless and insulting”
Cry me a river, Price.
Raptor,
Since when did the opinion line become a valid source?
Last I checked, just about anyone could call that and leave whatever message they wanted to.
How exactly does one “see” a Republican anyway?
WS Clark,
Still no apology, like you said you would?
To help you out, Price, print this and put in on your refrigerator.
Re: Clark apology
Monday – No.
Tuesday – No way.
Wednesday – No chance.
Thursday – Not today.
Friday – Not today either.
Saturday – Still no way.
Sunday – Not a chance in Hell.
America’s Shooting Gallery 7.22
* MI: Betty Reedy, 58, was shot to death by a man she divorced 23 years ago. Her ex-husband, Albert Reedy, 67, was found dead with a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the chest.
* MO: Firefighters became victims of what appeared to be an ambush Monday when they were fired upon from a house as they worked to put out a vehicle fire across the street. One young firefighter was killed, two police officers were wounded and the house where the shots were fired later burned to the ground.
* IL: A woman, 37, was seriously hurt when she was shot while apparently walking to her vehicle in the Austin neighborhood in Chicago.
* AZ: A 40-year-old woman died after being shot once in the face while target shooting. Although officers initially indicated the shooting was accidental, homicide detectives from the Sheriff’s Office are investigating.
* IL: Percy Rounds, 15, and his cousin Adam Spaulding, 17, were hanging out on their back porch in the West Pullman neighborhood when shots rang out. Rounds was shot in the head and died. Spaulding was shot in the thigh.
* AR: Logan Beckwith, 14, was shot in the side and later died. A .22 caliber rifle that had been placed on a bed and discharged.
* KS: A 17-year-old boy shot a 14-year-old girl in the arm and chest. She was later released. As the teen unloaded a gun, it went off, striking the girl.
* NE: The lawyer for Benjamin Henry asked that the unintentional shooting case be dismissed against his client. In January, Henry was showing off his rifle when it went off, injuring two teens. A girl’s leg was seriously hurt.
* NY: William Lynch, 37, shot and killed Tiana Stokley, 20, at her workplace, injuring her supervisor before fatally turning the gun on himself.
* CA: Steven Paul Hirschfield, 37, who went overboard from a harbor cruise yacht late Saturday night was fatally shot as he fought with San Diego Harbor Police who pulled him from San Diego Bay.
WS Clark,
The better man, you are not.
MonkeyHawk,
I sometimes wonder if you even stop to read the shooting gallery examples you post.
What is the point of posting an example of Police shooting someone?
“The better man, you are not.”
Thank you, coming from you, that is a major compliment.
“Nathaniel” puts his manhood up against “WSClark’s.”
(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
;^)
Well Linda?
When are you going to start giving your “loyal friend” WS Clark half as much grief for being the tasteless and vulgar person he is here on this blog as you do McCain?
You give people more grief for being “annoying” than you do your “loyal friend” for being vulgar.
Come on Linda, you are responsible for Clark’s behavior. Eye roll…
Nathaniel, If I were only half the person you give me credit for I would be awesome! ;-) I’m not anything less or more than anyone here. I have opinions. My opinions are as good and as useless as any others.
I haven’t found a poster here who doesn’t represent them self quite well. I “get” who thinks what. Your posts certainly tell us me who you are!
While you’re busy bullying fellow posters, most of the rest of us will concentrate on public people who are asking for the job of representing us.
I am pretty important and powerful, huh? My dog thinks so too!
How many people here switch the channel or press the mute control when Bush comes on?
**raising hand**
I’ve honestly tried to listen. I can’t.
Nathan,
I’m curious. Can you show me a thread in the past week where you’ve come in and posted about the topic first? Without including a personal attack on another poster? Otherwise, you’re no better than others who have turned this blog into a personal bash session, each and every day.
I had assumed everyone had made it out of junior high/middle school more than a year ago. Apparently, I’m wrong.
And that goes for all sides, right, left, middle and floating above.
I still watching this show in reruns!
Golden Girls pay tribute to Getty
The stars of US sitcom The Golden Girls have paid tribute to actress Estelle Getty, who has died at the age of 84.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7520370.stm
* I still LIKE watching…
Soldier-Poet Brian Turner, Framing War In Verse
Soldier Brian Turner is no silent witness to war. Instead, he used verse to chronicle his time in the U.S. Army, publishing a book of collected poems titled Here, Bullet.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92771250
MCCAIN: A DUKAKIS-IN-A-TANK MOMENT?
The New York Times’ Maureen Dowd points out a visual contrast this week that’s going to be remembered for some time. “The image of John McCain in a golf cart with Bush 41 in Kennebunkport — with Poppy charmingly admitting that they were ‘a little jealous’ of all the Obama odyssey coverage — was not a good advertisement for the future, especially contrasted with the shots of Gen. David Petraeus and Obama smiling at each other companionably in a helicopter surveying Iraq. (Asked by a Democratic lawmaker a while back why there weren’t more Democrats in the military, General Petraeus smiled slyly and said ‘there are more than you think.’)”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/23/1216686.aspx
Officer Friendly…
WINNFIELD, Louisiana (CNN) — A police officer shocked a handcuffed Baron “Scooter” Pikes nine times with a Taser after arresting him on a cocaine charge.
He stopped twitching after seven, according to a coroner’s report. Soon afterward, Pikes was dead.
Gee, I hope that Looziana Cop is REAL proud of himself… Tazered NINE times with a guy in hand cuffs… I hope they take his badge, his gun, his tazer, and lock him up for a good long time… That is inexcusable!!
Right, GratefulDave.
Saw that on the news last night. Turns out the “criminal” stopped moving after they tasered him so much. The cops ordered him to get up, and he didn’t (couldn’t), so they tasered him some more.
Brilliant.
Yeah, but in the cop’s defense, the guy was large and black.
:roll:
With America okaying torture and how huge “24″ is, the tasering-to-death is just more acclimation.
Get used to it.
The fun is just starting…but it doesn’t have to be.
-Ol’ Tinfoiler
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/they-said-shares-were-for-the-long-term–not-for-longterm-losses-872155.html?service=Print
They said shares were for the long term – not for long-term losses
As market logic is confounded, Richard Northedge asks how investors should react to the prolonged wait for a profit
Sunday, 20 July 2008
Those who bought shares last year won’t be surprised, amid the economic turmoil, to find they have lost money on paper. But now even people who invested in the stock market a decade ago are looking at a loss. The investment optimists insist equities always come right in the long run, but when shares are below water after 10 years, how long does long have to be?
Most people who bought an individual savings account, contributed to their pension fund or purchased shares directly in 1998 have made no money at all on their investment. And the pain will continue into the next decade unless the bear market turns sharply into a new bull run – and no one is forecasting that. Even if share prices were to fall no further, they would still not be showing any capital gain by the time the Olympics open in London in 2012.
Bob Yerbury, chief executive of fund manager Invesco Perpetual, concedes: “We think about long-term normally being three to five years. Ten years is a long time not to make a profit.”
The last time the stock market failed to show any gain over a decade was when the 1974 crash left shares below 1960s levels and prompted small shareholders to abandon direct equity investment.
The privatisations and demutualisations of the 1980s and 1990s brought private investors back to the market, but even now many of those stocks are below their issue price – including British Energy and the former building societies Bradford & Bingley and the Halifax, now HBOS.
*****
Wow. Just think of how many people could have joined in the sinking ship of the Bush economy if they could have only “privatized” their Social Security . . .
‘How to cook a graph in three easy lessons‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons/
“These days, when global warming inactivists need to trot out somebody with some semblance of scientific credentials (from the dwindling supply who have made themselves available for such purposes), it seems that they increasingly turn to Roy Spencer, a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama.”
‘Roy Spencer
Interfaith Science Advisor’
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1397
“Satellite Research Refuted
According to an August 12, 2005 New York Times article, Spencer, along with another well-known “skeptic,” John Christy, admitted they made a mistake in their satellite data research that they said demonstrated a cooling in the troposphere (the earth’s lowest layer of atmosphere). It turned out that the exact opposite was ocurring and the troposphere was getting warmer.”
More at links.
Hank posted July 23, 2008 at 6:31 am
“While not as technical as Lord Moncktons paper at APS…”
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The disclaimer above Monckton’s article at APS:
“The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review, since that is not normal procedure for American Physical Society newsletters. The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007: “Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”
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‘C. Monckton: Complaints and Critiques’
http://www.desmogblog.com/c-monckton-complaints-and-critiques
“Tim Lambert at Deltoid offers a cursory scientific critique of Chris Walter (the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley)’s recent newsletter submission to the American Physical Society.
Lambert apologizes that he has only first-year physics, but notes, rightfully, that Monckton can make no such claim.
Even more entertaining is the shirty letter that Monckton himself penned to the APS after they added a note to his article making it clear that it was NOT peer reviewed and that it does NOT reflect the opinion of Editors or, really, of any good physicists of note.
Monckton, who apparently can’t tell the difference between being edited and submitting a scientific paper for peer review, is spitting mad. It’s wonderful.”
————
‘Monckton’s triple counting’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/07/moncktons_triple_counting.php
karma! ;-)
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Robert No-whack: Conservative commentator Novak hits D.C. pedestrian
Conservative pundit Robert Novak is anything but a conservative driver, and Wednesday morning he struck a Washington, D.C., pedestrian in his black Corvette convertible.
The syndicated columnist received a citation from police for failing to yield the right of way, after he drove away from the scene of the accident despite attempts by passers-by to stop him, Politico.com reported.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/07/23/2008-07-23_robert_nowhack_conservative_commentator_.html
I notice our alarmist friend cosmos_originally has not addressed the content of Dr. Spencer’s testimony before Congress. Nope, just personal attacks. Spencer made an error once and therefore he must be in error again.
Must chap your drawers cosmos to see a denier taken seriously enough to testify before Congress. As the climate cools, as will the sense of urgency,you will be seeing more and more of it.
Damn, ya just GOTTA love Willie Nelson. Austin really is heaven.
I got this from another blog….
“Willie Nelson, speaking on the Alex Jones show, has just announced that he would be a driving factor in a new Farm Aid-type event that will focus on supporting Dennis Kucinich’s efforts to impeach george bush. It will also be an anti-war event. This plan is literally coming together as I type. Willie has just committed to it.
Mr. Nelson also believes that the event could be used as a platform for those who do not believe the government’s official story of 9/11 to speak out and let their feelings be known.
The event was conceived by a caller into the Alex Jones radio show just minutes ago who suggested that Willie back or organize the event as a way to take the efforts to impeach bush and advocate for a new 9/11 investigation, which is supported by the majority of victims’ families, to the next level.
The venue will be either in New York City or in Austin, Texas. Both Mr. Nelson and Mr. Jones agree that the event should be held soon so that it can be used as a way to enhance Congressman Kucinich’s efforts. ”
Go WILLIE!
I think he should do two. One in NYC for the money and one in Austin for the fun!
Well kfg, I see that old age, smoke, and 50 + years on the road are taking it’s toll on Ol Willie. Should be a fun event, though. Anti-war activists, 911 conspiracy kooks. and George Bush haters all in one place.
Freakin’ at the freaker’s ball, y’all.
Sounds interesting, KFG… Please keep us posted… BTW, is Jones still being protected by armed security?? He had death threats on him when he was covering the Bildeberger meeting in Virginia..
“Freakin’ at the freaker’s ball, y’all.”
Sounds good to me!
outlander posted July 23, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
“I notice our alarmist friend cosmos_originally has not addressed the content of Dr. Spencer’s testimony before Congress. Nope, just personal attacks. Spencer made an error once and therefore he must be in error again.”
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Read my link, outlander.
‘How to cook a graph in three easy lessons‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons
“The impressive graph that isn’t
So here’s what Roy did. He took two indices of interannual variability: … And voila, look what comes out of the oven!”
See graph.
It’s similar to this graph, at Hank’s 6:33 am link,
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/spencer_072208_soi-pdo.png
There are Liars…
And there are damned Liars….
And then there are statistics…..
Right, Cosmos?? :-D
Farmgrrl,
Can I borry some of that there mouse grease?
It usually comes free with any ussed mouse trap, Mr. C….
Remember, the early bird might get the worm…
But, the second mouse gets the cheese!! :roll:
“It’s similar to this graph, at Hank’s 6:33 am link,”
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Yup, it has an x and y axis, numerical values, lines, and all that. Cool.
Predestined,
This very thread I started off by posting links to stories of where people used guns for self defense.
I could go back day by day, but I am always usually adding something to the discussion.
But my posts towards others have not been mean, vulgar, or vile. I have not been calling people names.
When I am “attacking” other posters I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of their statements or expecting them to hold up to things they say here or have said.
I don’t really consider it “attacking” someone.
Of course, Linda thinks I’m a big bully and that anyone who expects Chas to answer for the things he says are being annoying.
Meanwhile, her loyal friend WS Clark is saying some of the most vile, mean, disgusting, and hateful things here.
I will take every opportunity to point that out to her when she is pointing out others behavior.
Oh, were you tying to make a point cosmos?
Or just more innuendo?
“Meanwhile, her loyal friend WS Clark is saying some of the most vile, mean, disgusting, and hateful things here.”
What a crybaby, Price.
I encourage everybody to watch this >>>
http://www.pickensplan.com
outlander posted July 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“Oh, were you tying to make a point cosmos? ”
————
Only to people who are able to think.
WS Clark,
So were you just being a big cry baby when you got upset when Regular said what he did about you and your granddaughter?
“So were you just being a big cry baby when you got upset when Regular said what he did about you and your granddaughter?”
The difference, Price, is my granddaughter is a CHILD.
Also this >>>>
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0OXD/is_2004_May_17/ai_n6037648
WS Clark,
At first, you said the difference was that she was not a part of this blog and family should be left out of it.
Now that you feel it is ok to insult my family, it is because your granddaughter is a child.
Either way, what does her being a child have to do with your being a cry baby or not?
Another >>>>
http://www.gaccsouth.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Dokumente/Events_Houston/West_Texas_Wind_Energy_Consortium__GregWortham.pdf
“Either way, what does her being a child have to do with your being a cry baby or not?
Sigh, please note that you brought this up, not me, so when McCluer whines, you can take responsibility.
Accusing me of having sexual relationships with my granddaughter is far different than my over-the-top statement concerning your parentage.
Apparently, you are not familiar with the term “son of a bitch” Price. My statement expanded on that phrase.
Get over it – you will not get an apology from me.
And this will be my last post on this issue.
Cry me a river, Natie.
This was impressive at the end of 2006, and MUCH more has been added since then!!
http://www.awea.org/newsroom/releases/Annual_US_Wind_Power_Rankings_041107.html
Can someone find me a good easy read on why American businesses are moving to Mexico? I know that it’s the ability to produce cheaply, I’m mainly looking for what regulations Mexico puts on the businesses compared to here.
And good luck on Google, I swear they’re hiding that stuff.
WS Clark,
The same river you cry when people say things about your family.
The better man, you are not.
On top of that, you have used your own granddaughter on this blog and implicated her at saying things and making her look bad too.
I guess in your little world it is ok to use your own granddaughter to attack posters on this blog and then expect others to not say anything about her?
You should be more ashamed of yourself than anyone else. At least Regular apologized for what he said and never brought it up again.
You on the other hand, refuse to apologize and continue to use your own granddaughter more than anyone else ever has.
Might have something to do with TAXES, PMama… but not sure…
9-11 Truth Concert, for the life of our country! I’m looking forward to it. And BTW, Go Kucinich! Impeach all of these bass-turds.
You all need to listen to AJ for a bit of real news.
Maybe cheaper to manufacture in Mexico, then bring them back in here as imports, than to pay taxes on them if they are made here??
Nathaniel
Posted July 23, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
WS Clark,
So were you just being a big cry baby when you got upset when Regular said what he did about you and your granddaughter?
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Let’s do your trick, now, Price. Where was your condemnation of James McCluer when he was saying that Clark was a pedophile in the most disgusting and descriptive manner?
“Freakin’ at the freaker’s ball, y’all.”
Sounds to me like that should be the official theme of the upcoming gop fest.
The dem fest should be “appeasers leading appeasers”
They are ALL owned by the same people.
If you think either party cares about you or your family, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you at a GREAT price…
Oh, and just for the record germie, I dont grow or sell corn. I did hold out for record high wheat prices. But that tripling of wheat prices was due to speculators with too much cash and nowhere to put it.
Case in point, we’ve had a world wide bumper crop of wheat this year, and right here in the bread basket, wheat prices are going UP when the supply is the greatest and prices have, according to history, gone down. THAT doesnt have a damn thing to do with supply and demand.
Speculators dont know where to put all their surplus cash again. Increasing the supply of wheat has INCREASED the price. Increasing the supply of oil will NOT necessarily decrease the price.
Laffer must be laughing in his grave.
Supply side economics was thoroughly debunked in the ray-gun administration. WTF makes you think it will work in the oil markets? There’s plenty of oil supply right now. Just like wheat. And demand. Just like wheat. If demand increases along with the supply, prices will NOT go down.
Jesus WEPT! Is there even one freakin’ person on the right side of the blog who ever PASSED an economics class?
..and wheat prices have NOTHING to do with the cost of production. The market pays what the market pays, regardless of what it costs to produce it.
In the long run, if prices are too low, farmers may quit farming and thus reduce supply. But for now, grain prices are completely disconnected from the costs of inputs and the intrinsic supply and demand.
It’s all about speculation and the benjies right now.
And while ethanol is an eeeevil thing, it has had little or no effect on the price of food. THAT, as Clark pointed out, is a function of higher commodity prices and transportation costs. AFTER the food leaves the farm!
Thank your food processors, distributors, and retailers. Farmers may be reaping the profits from higher commodity prices, but for that, we can thank the speculators. Farmers did nothing to cause it.
Another stupid explanation of things economical. Although he is a doofus know nothing about the economy he does know the condition he compared it to!
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‘Wall Street got drunk’ says Bush
“It got drunk and now it’s got a hangover,” Mr Bush said at a private political fundraiser in Houston, Texas.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7522335.stm
Chas,
As I was catching up last night on posts, trying to filter out and skip the attacks on each other by everyone – did I catch a post by you about swimming naked?
Reason I ask is at a recent high school reunion, one of my classmates reminded us about swim class.
Yes, we swam naked. Not a stitch of cloth. The memories of all of us were somewhat revolting. Junior High (grades 7 through 9) we same in our birthday suits. Guys still recalled who was developing first – the jokes and humor at the “hairy” guys, as well as those jokes and humor at those with no hair – and worse (not well endowed). We recalled wet towels slapping each other. The back stroke (bursts of laughter), diving, and sitting on COLD concrete benches during roll call, freezing our nuts off in winter, and the bullies.
For the life of me, I don’t know why they made us do this. If it were today, I’m sure parents would be alarmed. I would have fought against it for my kids.
Today, I don’t think swim qual is even required. Many school districts don’t even have a pool. Saving dollars for teachers administrators salaries I suppose. (like drivers education?) But in my birth state, everyone graduating had to
pass swim qualification. The state had one of the lowest drowing rates (and fewer young people car accidents).
But I don’t know why we couldn’t wear swim trunks.
This was not in Kansas, but a neighboring midwestern state.
same=swam
drowing=drowning
Thanks for the memory, AmWay!! I agree, it was strange then… would be almost impossible today!!
I heard/read about this craziness someplace else.
I don’t think anybody really knows why. Pool filters? No. Girls wore suits. It is weird.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=swim+naked+in+gym+class
Good article >>>>
http://www.doctoryourself.com/exercise_avoid.html
AmWay, thanks for speaking up. As you probably noticed, there were those who thought the naked swimming was a lie.
I think those teachers really just wanted to look at your junk.
CREEEEEEEPY!
Nathan,
Uh, yeah. Just as I assumed, but thanks for playing the game.
Oh, just one more question. A yes or no is fine. Do you google something like “daily kills” each morning? Or is there some other key to amassing the stories you find?
The following staff of contract killers are employed full-time or part-time inside Tiller’s criminal Wichita abortion mill:
Abortionist quack Leroy Carhart; abortionist quack Shelley Sella; lesbian abortionist quack Susan Robinson; Lindsey Alejandro; JoAn Armentrout; apostate “chaplains” Avelina Baguyos and Liz Gomez; Vilka Bass; Mary Lou Carhart; Deborah Esquina; Linda Joslin; Touy Keomany; Sara Brown; Betty Pulliam; Debra Ratcliff; Cathy Reavis; Edna Roach; Bonnie Rhodes-Moss; Diane Warren.
Pro-life leaders say they don’t want these killers’ homes picketed, or their children’s vacation Bible school, for now.
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In view of recent scandals involving multiple violations of state laws and medical regulations in abortion mills, and the deaths of several mothers, Californicatia Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill, AB 2010, into law in July 10, that relaxes inspection standards on abortion mills. Planned Parenthood can open new abortion mills without any oversight from the state government and health inspectors. There appears to be no legitimate basis for this action that deliberately exposes the public to further health risks and exploitation.
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Judge Kim Browne, of Franklin County, OH admitted to the Columbus Dispatch newspaper that she has never denied a minor girl’s request for a secret abortion. There are no reports of Browne bothering to check up on those underage girls victimized and endangered by abortion mills, since their parents are kept in the dark, as to whether the girls are suffering emergency hospitalization, infection, blood loss, severe pain, over-medication, depression, suicidal thoughts, or substance abuse.
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Pro-lifers successfully got local officials to evict an abortion mill that set up shop near a legitimate medical center. Formerly known as Ohio Women’s Center, G&H Healthcare served as an abortion mill in the city of Green, OH. The Fresenius Medical Care Center located next door to the G&H Healthcare clinic became offended when several people approached them, asking if they were in fact the abortion mill. Pro-lifers led the lobbying of the mayor about the complaints. The owner of the Corporate Woods Parkway office complex evicted G&H Healthcare because of disturbances, including pro-life demonstrations outside the complex, and because the abortion mill failed to provide complete information about their contract killing business.
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Planned Parenthood shut down its Sioux Falls, SD abortion mill, rather than face enforcement of the state’s new informed consent law.
Planned Parenthood’s Sioux City, IA abortion mill is about a 3-hour drive away, just across the Iowa border.
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Expect more abortion mills to shut down by the end of the next nationwide 40 Days for Life prayer and fasting vigil outside of America’s abortion mill, September 24 through November 2.
See abolition page
http://www.40daysforlife.com/apply.cfm
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Hog Futures Hillary says she will try to stop a new proposal from the Bush administration that would protect pro-life doctors, nurses and other medical professionals from forced participation in abortions, calling it a radical, ideological agenda to turn the clock back on women’s rights. The proposal would cut off federal funds from medical facilities that will not certify that they will hire pro-life medical staff, and from state and local governments that discriminate against pro-life facilities in distributing federal grants.
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Dr. James Dobson is perhaps softening his position, and announced on his daily broadcast this week that he might endorse maverick candidate John McCain [while holding his nose], in view of the absolutely intolerable Democrat candidate Obamanation, who opposes the federal bans currently in force on partial-birth and live-birth abortions, in favor of more abortion mill profits.
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“My friends, that’s a hideous procedure. It should never be allowed any place on earth,”
. . . Senator John McCain, on Obamanation’s admitted intention to discard the federal ban on partial-birth abortions, in favor of more abortion mill profits
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A dead newborn boy was found inside a backpack in a Fontana, CA garbage bin Sunday, across the street from where a dead baby boy was found in November, 2006. Since California’s safe abandonment law went into effect in 2001, 24 babies have been legally abandoned, 14 have been illegally dumped and found alive, and some besides these two mentioned have been found dead. A state audit claims that the law isn’t fully effective because legalized abandonment isn’t publicized and promoted enough.
Currently, all 50 states have a safe surrender law; and 31 states have provisions that allow parents to surrender their baby unharmed within seven days of birth.
“lesbian abortionist quack Susan Robinson”
Good God, Newman, if she were BLACK, you could have hit the trifecta with this one.
That is, if you meant “abortionist quack” as just one slam.
So, Troy Boy, tell us, what does her sexual orientation have to do with traffic on Kellogg?
Ooooh, contract killers. Parkay, you gotta get on the phone up there in Johnson County and call your DA Kline to do something about that. Break down those doors and arrest these killers because murder is against the law. I’m sure you have some evidence and just aren’t bearing false witness.
Parkay have evidence?? Surely, you jest!!
Oh I always geta tingle in my panties when I see Troy Newman posting. Or is that..nevermind, too gross.
That post is as always, so chalk full of lies. Hey Troy, please do tell why you’ve backed off of protesting the children of the workers and their homes?
And newman, the ‘inyourface’ consent is that what you are referring to? Where everyone has to jump through extreme hurdles in order to get an abortion?
And you harassed the building owners so much that they, instead of doing the right thing, chose to evict the clinic? i’m betting that’s a lie.
Have all your prayers worked yet to overturn Roe? No? psha!
THIS is why you were held under the RICO act, and keep up your terroristic ways and you will be again. You will not infringe upon a woman’s right to a safe and harassment free abortion.
Come to America (Get Shanghaid).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080724/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc_1
Hell, at least we’re keeping their ears warm.
Steven,
I think I condemned what Regular said about 3 times.
Once when he did it, once just after because everyone was upset and wondering why we were not saying anything, and once more when WS Clark brought it up again later asking me if I did.
Another link to sheer beauty.
Predestined,
I go to a self defense blog which posts different articles each day that they find.
So… No.
George Tiller continues committing illegal abortions in his Wichita abortion mill, making him and his entire staff criminal contract killers.
Last Wednesday an illegal coerced abortion was committed there. A 16-year-old girl of Andover, KS was brought in by her mother for a first-trimester abortion. The girl had been silenced by a threat of disownment, so that neither pro-lifers nor police could intervene. Later, the 16-year-old father arrived to plead for the life of his baby, offering a later marriage and the support and assistance of his parents. But by the time he got in to speak to the mother, Tiller had already earned his contract killing fee a few minutes earlier.
Pro-lifers will put the baby’s name on one of their crosses displayed at the entrance to Tiller’s abortion mill. Tiller’s incinerator will have to serve as a grave, and a fraudulent informed consent form as a shroud.
See incident page
http://kcfl.net/kcfl/index.php?page=6&func=1&id=-2044228762
How’s about a nice big helping of “mind your own business” there parkay?
You SAY the girl cooperated for fear of being disowned by her mother.
CLEARLY this was a threat to her. JUST as clearly, she had little faith in the promises of your hypothetical young man.
Why did his parents not offer to take the daughter into their home?
I call bs on your story. NO mother can force a 16 year old girl to do anything.
PMama, drop me a note about that Sioux Falls Planned Parenthood closure… a most interesting (if dusgusting) story…
And here we go again………… we’ve got PLENTY of money for war, Bear Stearns and mortgage companies, but we ain’t got a dime for children and health care.
“Rescue of mortgage giants could hit $25 billion”
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/470815.html
Wondering why Parkay’s fearsome group of fighters didnt call WPD, and report the 16 yr. old father, on charges of statutory rape?? Both he and the girl are under age, according to Parkay’s “legend” —-
But, instead of being concerned about upholding the Law, Parkay’s fearsome fighters instead attempt to assist the young alleged father…
Are they not being complicit in the covering up of a different crime??
Just wondering!!
Newman knows he lies and he does not care. Doesn’t care, lying in the name of his mission is doing whatever it takes and he believes God gave him the right to lie.
Heh, that’s what we should call their movement…instead of “right to life”…”right to lie”
Sounds like a good idea to me PMama!!
Time to call it a nite —-
Good night; Good luck; God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Parkay is saying Dr. Tiller murdered a 16 year old? No evidence there. Parkay claims Tiller illegally performed an abortion on a patient who gave her willing consent to him? It’s not illegal to perform a medical operation on a willing patient, nor is that akin to murder. As usual the antis prove themselves to be habitual liars. Parkay has cried wolf once again and as usual nobody listens.
sounds straight to the point
So Cosmos. If the AGW debate is over, what is Dr. Spencer. a skeptic doing testifying before Congress?