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Will MSM Report on 2008 Arctic Ice Increase?
Good news! Despite the recent global warming alarmism in the media that Arctic ice might melt away completely from the North Pole this summer, the latest scientific observations show that Arctic ice has actually increased by nearly a half million square miles over this time last year. This is in stark contrast to the Chicken Little hysteria that was being promoted less than a month ago on the CBS Early Show as reported by Kyle Drennen on June 27 here in NewsBusters:
On Friday’s CBS “Early Show,” co-host Maggie Rodriguez teased an upcoming interview with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair about global warming: “Also ahead this morning, we’ll talk about a disturbing new report from some scientists in Colorado who say that there is the very real possibility that for the first time we will see the ice in the North Pole melt away completely during the summer.”
Well, the latest information on Arctic ice conditions is just in from the National Snow and Ice Data Center and Maggie Rodriguez can breath easy (emphasis mine):
Arctic sea ice extent on July 16 stood at 8.91 million square kilometers (3.44 square miles). While extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average of 9.91 square kilometers (3.83 million square miles), it was 1.05 million square kilometers (0.41 million square miles) above the value for July 16, 2007…
So why the increase in the ice shelf over last year despite the MSM hysteria on this topic? An explanation is given:
How is this different from what we saw in the record-breaking year 2007? In early July 2007, an atmospheric pattern developed that featured high pressure over the Beaufort Sea. This pattern promoted especially strong sea ice loss. The pattern that has dominated the summer of 2008, so far, seems less favorable for ice loss…
So won’t Maggie Rodriquez and other global warming alarmists be excited over this news about increased ice in the Arctic this summer? Don’t hold your breath. Rodriguez and others in the MSM will probably just let their original dire global warming predictions stand without any later corrections when the scientific facts prove them wrong. So let us sign off on this latest example of global warming alarmism predictions gone wrong with a June 27 quote on this topic from Steve Connor, “science editor” of the Independent (U.K.):
It seems unthinkable, but for the first time in human history, ice is on course to disappear entirely from the North Pole this year. The disappearance of the Arctic sea ice, making it possible to reach the Pole sailing in a boat through open water, would be one of the most dramatic – and worrying – examples of the impact of global warming on the planet. Scientists say the ice at 90 degrees north may well have melted away by the summer.
Sorry, Steve, but just the opposite has happened. So can we also expect you to correct yourself with the latest data showing an increase in Arctic ice over last year? Your humble correspondent is not holding his breath waiting for such a correction from you, Maggie Rodriquez, nor any other member of the MSM that hyped an ice free North Pole for 2008.
“Physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death. For purely mental pain or suffering to amount to torture (under U.S. law), it must result in significant psychological harm of significant duration, e.g., lasting for months or even years. . . . We conclude that the statute, taken as a whole, makes plain that it prohibits only extreme acts.”
So according to the Bush regime’s definition of torture John McCain wasn’t tortured in Vietnam. So in the future will advocates of McCain quit claiming he was tortured as a POW. Either he was and the Bush administration tortures prisoners, or he wasn’t and the Bush crime family doesn’t torture prisoners. But you can’t have it both ways.
Oops, more evidence that deregulation results in higher prices:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625744742160575.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
As in California when the utility companies promise lower prices if you just stop regulating them then the prices go up after those regulations are removed.
Hey Cuz Maggot,
How’s this humidity affecting that acrid black smoke pouring out of those pipes in back of Doc Tiller’s place?
My thought for the day:
Expectations are just premeditated resentments.
See http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=804 . Herbert West 3rd, Candidate for Sheriff, Miami County Kansas. http://www.HerbertWest3rd.com http://www.wen2k.com west.herb@yahoo.com
What McCain Economic Policy?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/16/AR2008071602434.html
By Harold Meyerson
Thursday, July 17, 2008; Page A21
“Government is not the solution to our problem,” Ronald Reagan told his fellow Americans in his first inaugural address. “Government is the problem.”
For modern American conservatism, Reagan’s words may as well have been inscribed on the tablets handed down at Mount Sinai. The market was god and Reagan was its Moses, and Republicans have sworn fealty to both for the past quarter-century. One invariable feature of the 2007-08 Republican primary debates was the effort of each candidate to cast himself as Reagan’s one true heir. John McCain proudly recounted how he enlisted as a foot soldier in Reagan’s revolution. How was he to know that government was about to become a solution again?
Over the past few months, George W. Bush’s administration, which consciously modeled itself after Reagan’s, has repeatedly been compelled to bail out private or semi-private financial institutions, re-regulate markets, and rescue beleaguered homeowners. Government, it turns out, is indeed a solution — at times, the only solution — for large-scale market failure, a problem not foreseen in the gospel according to Reagan.
Unfortunately for McCain and his fellow Republicans, it’s the only gospel they’ve got. At the very moment when the economy looms larger in Americans’ consciousness than it has in decades, McCain comes before the electorate doctrinally adrift.
Where’s cosmos? I figured he’d be up already proclaiming the end of the world because of AGW.
If poor cosmos even makes it into old age, somebody not physically silencing him to retain their sanity, he will be sitting in a wheelchair in some home babbling away decrying the world using more coal, more natural gas, more petroleum, producing more CO2 and the dangerous increases in AGW, though the climate will be about the same save normal variation, and the staff will be begging the clock to hurry so they can stuff him with sedative medications again to silence him for at least awhile.
news coverage…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT-Hq117w8s
McCain has opposed legislation aimed at helping women sue in cases of pay discrimination on the grounds that it could make businesses vulnerable to frivolous lawsuits.
He criticized Barack Obama’s latest woman-friendly proposals — guaranteed sick days and more family leave — as “big-government” extravagances.
He has voted to restrict women’s access not just to abortion but to birth control and affordable prenatal health care, and — though his own memory failed him in recalling this last week — he voted against legislation that would have required insurance companies to include contraceptives as part of their prescription drug coverage.
In other words, he has time after time put up roadblocks to any legislative measures that could help make women’s abstract equality a reality.
While that’s standard Republican politics, it’s not really the stuff of a maverick — particularly not one who’s now trying his darndest, via the surrogacy work of former Hewlett-Packard chief Carly Fiorina, to woo Hillary Clinton’s most die-hard female supporters.
Maggot you should also be concerned with the pain of the babies you support being kille.
Maggot you should also be concerned with the pain of the babies you support being killed.
KansasNative on behalf of the insurance companies I thank you for pointing that out. Because every mandate by the feds or state means more money in the pockets of the insurance companies (which I own stock).
Because if these items become mandatory the insurance company gets to raise EVERYONE’S premium just a little bit more. Of course the insurance companies will have to tack on a little bit more for filing, processing and the like. If five more dollars a month is good, then 10 dollars would be better.
OOOOHHHH look at that bottom line. THANK YOU FEDS.
The more mandates, the less oversight.
THANK YOU FEDS
Intruder shot by homeowner in critical condition
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj–homeshooting0718jul18,0,2955083.story
“The Ocean County Prosecutor’s Office says 31-year-old Eric Tucker of Lakewood was shot by an elderly man who confronted him when he broke in through a kitchen window around 5 a.m. Friday.”
St. Pete resident shoots burglar during break-in
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/crime/story.aspx?storyid=85194&catid=82
“St. Petersburg, Florida – St. Pete police say a burglary suspect was shot and killed during a break-in.”
There is no pain. That is a myth.
Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be Christians…”
Nicholas Grunke, the son of Methodist minister Kerry Grunke, enlisted his twin brother Alex, and friend Dustin Radke, to help him score with a girl he’d seen only in a newspaper photo – in her obituary. The three boys, then all 20, first went to Wal-Mart to buy condoms and then to the cemetery to dig her up. They planned to take her home. Fortunately, they failed to break into the concrete vault enclosing her coffin.
The state of Wisconsin, where the crime occurred, did not have a law against necrophilia, so tried to convict the trio on sexual assault, as the lady in question was unable to consent.
You might recall that earlier this year two homeskooled boys in Texas, Matthew Richard Gonzalez and Kevin Wade Jones, dug up the body of an 11-year-old boy buried in 1921 to fashion a bong from his skull.
What’s up with white boys and dead people? Is it a lack of socialization? Is it some strange conflation of world religions and multiculturalism – maybe the Mormon practice of baptizing the dead and an earth-friendly green practice of not letting anything go to waste?
Alfred Kinsey suggested, in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, that men denied socially acceptable sexual outlets, like consensual sex with humans, were more likely to engage in strange practices like bestiality, not explicitly prohibited by their parents or church.
MonkeyHawk,
Where is the connection to Christianity here?
White Christian boys are not the only ones who are necrophiliacs or do wierd things. The percentage of them that are is probably close to being statisitically negligable.
Yet here you are trying to make some blanket claim off one example.
Just another sad attempt to bash Christians.
In 2005 in the United states, a meta-analysis of existing experiments published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) concluded that the limited available evidence indicates fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester, and that electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in premature infants probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks; this study asserted that withdrawal reflexes and changes in heart rates and hormone levels in response to invasive procedures are reflexes that do not indicate fetal pain.[2]
Look at the priest pedophile scandal. I’d say denying sexuality does play a part in it Nathan.
Perhaps that’s your problem…dude go get laid.
“…Don’t let ‘em heal lepers or walk on a lake.
Tell ‘em to put down them poisonous snakes.”
Gregory James Coots, 36, pastor of the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name, was arrested, along with nine others, by Kentucky wildlife officers. The group was allegedly involved in the venomous snake trade.
Wildlife officers confiscated more than 100 snakes “…including 42 copperheads, 11 timber rattlesnakes, three cottonmouth water moccasins, a western diamondback rattlesnake, two cobras and a puff adder,” according to an AP article.
In 1995 a woman died during one of Coots’ church services after being bitten by a rattlesnake.
Political_mama,
Don’t pretend like you care about getting along on this blog with people and want to have reasonable discussions if you wish to continue posting such garbage and sticking up for those who do.
How many Catholic priests are there in the world and in this country?
Now how many of them have had a problem with being pedophiles?
Lets see some real comparisons and not some stereotyping crap meant only to bash Christians.
There are many great Catholic priests who do just fine and are wonderful spiritual leaders in their communities.
You choose to select something bad and use it to make blanket statements and stereotypes about all of Christianity and to support another fallacious argument about Christianity.
What you and MonkeyHawk are doing is no better than the racists who choose to say all black people are nothing but criminals and perverts who want to rape white women.
Too funny!
The Eastboro Baptist Church!
http://www.godhateseveryoneexceptforus.com/purpose.html
“God hates EVERYONE except the Eastboro Baptists. This includes FAGS, black people, every other race except white people, fat people, unattractive people, cancer patients, children, babies, Mexicans, Swedes, Norwegians, Scandinavia in general, non-Americans, all other Americans except us, immigrants (illegal and legal), feminists, liberals, aborted fetuses (for they tempt wimmin into the ultimate sin), the cognitively disabled, deaf people, blind people, scientists, Darwin, environmentalists, Al Gore, Jews, Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, Muslims (except for the ones who hate the U.S.), Musselman’s Applesauce, people who follow any religion other than our imaginative version of Christianity, citizens of whatever town we happen to be picketing in, victims of any tragedy that makes the national news and their family and friends, kittens, etc. — You are all sinners in the eyes of the almighty God!“
Mornin’ Hank,
Cow farts collected in plastic tank for global warming study.
Scientists are examining cow farts and burps in a novel bid to combat global warming.
A cow stands in her pen at the National Institute of Agricultural Technology in Castelar, near Buenos Aires. Argentine scientists are taking a novel approach to studying global warming, strapping plastic tanks to the backs of cows to collect methane
Experts said the slow digestive system of cows makes them a key producer of methane, a potent greenhouse gas that gets far less public attention than carbon dioxide.
In a bid to understand the impact of the wind produced by cows on global warming, scientists collected gas from their stomachs in plastic tanks attached to their backs.
The Argentine researchers discovered methane from cows accounts for more than 30 per cent of the country’s total greenhouse emissions.
As one of the world’s biggest beef producers, Argentina has more than 55 million cows grazing in its famed Pampas grasslands.
Guillermo Berra, a researcher at the National Institute of Agricultural Technology, said every cow produces between 8000 to 1,000 litres of emissions every day.
Methane, which is also released from landfills, coal mines and leaking gas pipes, is 23 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.
Scientists are now carrying out trials of new diets designed to improve cows’s digestion and hopefully reduce global warming. Silvia Valtorta, of the National Council of Scientific and Technical Investigations, said that by feeding cows clover and alfalfa instead of grain “you can reduce methane emissions by 25 percent”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2274995/Cow-farts-collected-in-plastic-tank-for-global-warming-study.html
But wait! If you order right now, you also get:
Wormeries ‘may add to greenhouse gases’
Worms may not be as environmentally friendly as the growing number of gardeners who use them to help compost their kitchen scraps and grass clippings believe, say scientists.
‘The amount of worm composting is very, very small and the amount of landfill is huge’ – Wormeries ‘may add to greenhouse gases’
‘The amount of worm composting is very, very small and the amount of landfill is huge’
In fact, the greenhouse gases emitted by a large commercial worm composting plant may be comparable to the global warming potential of a landfill site of the same scale, according to the Open University.
This is because worms used in composting emit nitrous oxide – a greenhouse gas 296 times more powerful, molecule for molecule, than carbon dioxide.
Landfill sites produce methane which is 23 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
Jim Frederickson, senior research fellow at the Open University’s faculty of technology, said: “We know from research in Germany that a third of the nitrous oxide emissions coming from the soil are associated with worms.
“What we found from looking at large worm composting systems is that their emissions could be comparable in global warming potential to the methane from landfill sites.”
The Government has said it wants to increase the amount of waste that is composted to 40 per cent by 2010 and 45 per cent by 2015 – which is likely to involve more commercial scale worm composting plants.
Red worms appear naturally in country compost heaps but over the past decade or so a thriving trade has grown up in domestic wormeries which enable people with space as limited as a balcony to compost their kitchen waste.
Domestic wormeries are dustbin-sized boxes formed from several trays, with names such as Can-O-Worms, into which reared worms are introduced. Some are even made to look like beehives.
The worms are laid out on lime and vegetable peelings. When they have digested this material they move to another level in search of more food. The lower trays of compost can be used and a tap allows the liquid collected to be drained off as fertiliser.
The red worms used in composting are extremely efficient at breaking down decomposing material such as kitchen scraps and other organic material but they emit nitrous oxide in the process of digestion in the gut.
Mr Frederickson told Materials Recycling Week said: “Everybody loves worms because they think they can do no harm but they contribute to global warming.
“The amount of worm composting is very, very small and the amount of landfill is huge. But landfill sites are quite well run these days and it is possible to extract about half the gas they generate and use it for electricity generation.
“So the amount of nitrous oxide emitted by large scale worm composting is something we should be looking at before we go further down that route.”
Mr Frederickson said that the research he and his colleagues had done was on very large commercial worm composting “beds” which build up large amounts of nitrogen which is then emitted by the worms as gas.
It is unclear whether the same process goes on to the same extent in domestic worm composting bins, but Mr Frederickson said: “We are clear they will be producing nitrous oxide but maybe not to the same extent. They may be more stable.
“Worm composting bins and compost heaps produce really good compost in a decentralised way with no transport to landfill sites – which is a good thing.
“But we must remember if we are evaluating this method against other ways of getting rid of wastes, such as landfill and incineration, that worm composting can also be a source of greenhouse gas emissions.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/07/06/eaworm106.xml
Further evidence of global warming can be found by attaching plastic bags to the hindquarters of both Regular and Franklin. It is expected that by capturing the hot gasses expelled by both, reductions of close to 60% of greenhouse gasses can be obtained. The problem will be disposing of the gasses. Using them as fuel has been proposed, but the noxious smell would be considered a public health hazard.
5000 plus priests just in the US. And the Pope just apologized to Australia for the similar scandal
That is too damn funny…wonder who came up with that site?
You, I think there’s an underlying issue relevant to the AGW debates that may or may not have been addressed here (after the 1000th thread, I kinda tuned out).
E.O. Wilson once estimated that, at the rate we’re using up this planet, we would need 4 planet Earths. It’s only going to get worse.
Population control, unlike some other measures (which will still be necessary), is, in theory at least, a fairly easy thing to do.
The devil of course is in the details (why do I fully expect some stupid comparison to China’s policies?).
One planet, folks. It’s all we got. Mars is distant and will be a bitch to make livable for us.
You know. . .
I agree with PM–funny site, MH!
Oh there are some very good religious persons in the world. You’re not one of them Nathan.
I don’t know why it is that some of the professed Christians are the ones with the most trouble following their own teachings, or why those who are bonifide crazy tend to be religious.
Why didn’t the founding father’s make the First Amendment freedom of speech, FREEDOM FROM RELIGION and freedom to peaceably assemble?
I’ll type slowly so you can keep up.
Yes, cows and worms and “Regular” and “Franklin” (pardon the redundancies) emit greenhouse gases.
But their emissions are carbon-neutral. Plants and critters that eat them consume atmospheric carbon dioxide through photosynthesis. Carbon in, carbon out; it’s a wash.
But when we go thousands of feet into the ground to retrieve carbon fuels, the burning relases additional carbon into the atmosphere; carbon that’s been out of the atmosphere from hundreds of millions of years.
Fireplace smoke might be a pollutant, but it is carbon-neutral since trees become logs via photosynthesis. Unless you’re “HLP” (and his Tarzan-esque “Boy”) and think the universe is 8,000 years old, burning fossil fuels represent the release of carbon into the atmosphere which had been, by nature, safely disposed of millennia ago.
George Carlin was right: We don’t need to “save the earth. Earth will do just fine. Environmentalists are trying to save the people.
Of course, the twice-born think they’ve already been “saved” (for what, they never say) and will be having supper and water-turned-to-wine with Jesus (maybe even tonight!), so they don’t care about turning Earth into a planet that cannot support human life.
Why didn’t the founding father’s make the First Amendment freedom of speech, FREEDOM FROM RELIGION and freedom to peaceably assemble?
Pleefer, they did. Have you not heard of the establishment clause?
Pastor gets 5 years in prison
“Leon Rankins III, 36, of Restoration Full Gospel Baptist Church… accused of molesting teenager to serve 5 years, must register as sex offender.”
Pastor’s son among four murder accused
“A church youth leader – a pastor’s son – is among the men charged in connection with the murder and robbery of Manurewa liquor store owner Navtej Singh.”
N. Augusta pastor arrested on sex charges; sheriff says more victims
“Authorities say 69-year-old Lawrence Smith, of North Augusta, South Carolina, is charged with criminal sexual conduct with a minor – second degree (three counts), lewd act upon a child (three counts) and assault and battery high and aggravated nature (three counts).”
Jensen pastor, wife, accused of abusing daughter
“A Jensen Beach pastor and his wife are in legal trouble again, this time both facing charges in connection with the alleged abuse of their daughter… On one occasion, according to the report, he made the girl stand in a bathtub fully clothed and ran cold water over her, ‘telling her that this was how he felt when he was arrested for battering her previously.’”
“…They’ll always blame Satan
and damn the unsaved,
Even ‘though Christ said to love.”
I understand that. I just wish, deep down, that they would have had the foresight to see that any and all religion is detrimental to freedom (and reason). Nevermind me, I’m just thinking out loud.
Well, surely you also understand that would have been impossible to get passed. It was overarching principle of intellectual freedom–which unfortunately includes the freedom to be a destructive moron–that carried the day.
To be sure.
Believing and knowing one is part of a “God” persona is completely backwards from what every stinking religion teaches. And I emphatically mean EVERY religion. Friggin’ gangsters.
MH –
Do you have a point? I could substitute any other group of people you like – auto mechanics, flight attendants, midget lesbians, and yes self-described “progressives” – and come with exactly the same list.
So – your point would be what, exactly?
BTW – when are you gonna give up the cut-n-paste from the Joyce Foundation-funded shill and seriously mis-named “Gun Guys?” We all know the Joyce Foundation cares nothing for truth, just agenda.
Don’t forget the preacher affair in Kansas. And Dennis Rader, and how many Priests, and then there was the guy who killed my friend…
“So – your point would be what, exactly?”
Christians are no better than anyone else pops into my godless liberal brain.
http://www.dailyramblings.com/ramblings/557.php
Many people are complaining about the ACLU forcing Los Angeles County to remove the cross from its official seal. I have to admit, there was a time when I agreed with the outrage of these people. I thought, “If references to Christianity aren’t harming anyone, why should we remove them?” But after thinking about the bigger picture, my opinion has changed.
Christians lead a very sheltered life in this country, despite their claims of prejudice shown against them. Frankly, it’s not prejudice, it’s doing away with the favoritism this country has allowed to form over time. Too many Christians in this country believe their religion should be the basis for everything, including our laws.
Look at the gay marriage debate. The majority of people against gay marriage say it shouldn’t be legal because “The Bible says it’s wrong”. Whenever I mention that it’s not legal for our laws to be based on Christianity or any other religion, they scoff. Christianity is the most popular religion in America, so our laws should abide by its rules.
Bullsh@t.
Recently, I stopped and pondered what brought Christians to this point. What made them believe their religion takes precedence over everything, to the point of controlling our laws? All I needed to do was look around to see the problem. Ten commandments monuments are located on city property and outside courthouses. Christian crosses adorn our public seals. “In God we trust” is printed on our money. No wonder Christians believe their religion rules this country’s lawbooks.
It’s things like the cross on the Los Angeles County seal that make Christians believe their religion has priority over everything. It’s the reason it’s impossible to discuss morality in lawmaking without someone referencing the specific rules of Christianity. The definition of the word “morality” does not say religion is a necessary component, but it’s often assumed that non-religious people don’t care about morality. We’re all supposedly just out to make this country a pagan paradise.
That’s not true, and it’s not the purpose of removing the cross from Los Angeles County’s seal. Non-religious people like myself are just trying to make this country a fair place for everyone. There are probably Christians reading this right now who are scoffing at that last sentence. Sadly, “Everything’s fine, everyone is treated fairly” is a phrase spoken only by people in the comfortable majority.
When references to Christianity have been removed from our public symbols, our currency, and everything else that’s supposed to represent the people of this country as a whole, maybe then Christians will have some humility. It’s for your own good, Christians. You have to learn sometime that this country and its laws don’t revolve around one religion. Christianity is still important, but not any more so than other religions or non-religions. The sooner you realize that, the better this country will be.
I agree with you Annie….
Annie you may want to look into the history of our country. Our founding fathers based the constitution and the bill of rights on Christianity. There are several biblical references.
The first books for public schools used Christian scripture to teach our children. The one thing they did not want to see happen was to have our country be just one form of Christianity.
If you do not want to be a Christian than so be it but do not knock it. Even Atheism and singular humanism has been declared religions in our courts.
History can be an interesting thing if you actually study it.
Our founding fathers based the constitution and the bill of rights on Christianity.
Sigh. . . this ridiculous claim keeps coming back, despite its obvious stupidity and absolute disconnect from the reality.
It’s your turn, nutcase: Provide the documentation to back up your claim. I could use the laugh.
Barack Obama hits a three pointer and wins the hearts and minds of the servicemen in Afghanistan.
Obama is the chosen ONE to lead America out of darkness and into the light.
The Bible said he would come and now he is here!
Praise God!
“Annie you may want to look into the history of our country. Our founding fathers based the constitution and the bill of rights on Christianity. There are several biblical references.”
Oh yes, I noticed that divine right of rule by kings mentioned somewhere in the Constitution. It must be between the Amendments banning heresy and working on the Sabbath. Take a history course.
“singular humanism” You have GOT to be kidding me… Ummmm that would be Secular Humanism, and it is NOT a religion… In anybody’s COURT!!
“singular humanism has been declared religions in our courts.”
Singular Humanism? Would that entail Elvis fans? Secular Humanism has never been declared a religion by the courts, what the Supreme Court has said is that the non-religious have the same protections to not believe as the religious do to believe. Don’t just open up a history book but read the court decisions before you attempt to pretend you know what they say.
On a much lighter note,
We just returned from the AKC sanctioned match in Hutchison. Nikki won again this week!
Joyce (the Boy’s Momma) is really showing her well.
Typical behaviour from one of the AGW deniers favorite sources. . .
‘Junk Science: Steve M’Lie Sticks to His Script’
http://www.desmogblog.com/junk-science-steve-mlie-sticks-to-his-script
“Regardless of the clear evidence that he had posted inaccurate information on his website (see next post), Junk Science purveyor Steven Milloy, has jumped straight over the “apology and correction” step, moving directly from inaccuracy to insult.
Indeed, rather than admitting that he had misinterpreted or misrepresented material printed by the American Physical Society, the self-described “Junkman” accused APS President Arthur Bienenstock of cowardice in the face of political controversy, and suggested that the APS is on the verge of a Nazi purge of those who disagree with the majority view (”Nacht der langen Messer,” in M’Lie’s words). ”
More at link.
A disclaimer was added to Monckton’s science(sic) paper.
‘Climate Sensitivity Reconsider’
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
“The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.“
Hank,
I enjoyed your 6:07 am post from NewsBotchers.
They don’t seem to understand the word “possibility”.
They say “increase in the ice shelf over last year” re July 16, when:
1) It’s more accurate to say the sea ice declined less than last year.
(And the maximum extent in 2008 was slightly higher than 2007)
2) Arctic sea ice is not an “ice shelf”.
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They omit the issue of the thinness of the ice
They omit that the sea ice usually continues to decline until around mid-September.
And they omit the real issue — the long-term decline of the sea ice.
Well done, NewsBotchers!
Antarctic ice shelves are more important than sea ice.
Once ice is in a sea, it is easily broken up due to currents and wind and other physical factors.
You have learned mincing of words well cosmos.
You still use weasel words and no one likes half-baked statements.
If it rained 10 inches one year and 12 inches the next, one can say straight forward that it rained more in one year than the next.
The way you and the alarmist IPCC would word it is that rain declined in the region two years ago.
Or there was a slight increase in rain this year.
If it had been reversed, 12 inches of rain last year and 10 inches this year, the IPCC using weasel words would have significant rainfall shortage occurs threatening planet, scientist explain drought and famine.
Playing chicken little and using weasel words is getting old, how about telling the truth instead of weaseling statements of doom every opportunity.
Congrats, Niki!!! You ARE a beautiful girl!
Hank posted July 19, 2008 at 6:07 am
“So why the increase in the ice shelf over last year. . .”
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Hank’s copy/paste was about Arctic sea ice, which is NOT an “ice shelf”.
Well done, NewsBotchers!
Sean Hannity: “If we were able to drill at the — for example, the outer continental shelf, we’d have that oil within two years.
There are 86 billion barrels of oil waiting for us there. If we were to, you know, hit these really deep, deep waters, the maximum three to five years, and we’d be able to access this oil here.”
US Energy Information Administration: “The projections in the OCS [outer continental shelf] access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017.”
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ LIED about CO2 measurements. He has zero credibility on climate science issues.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
Why does he lie?
Because multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ hates environmentalists and carbon taxes?
Drill here / Drill now???
Noooooo!!! Hire out Boeing, and Cessna, and Beech/Hawker…. BUILD those big wind turbines… Hire a whole bunch of new people… plant workers, engineers, transportation personnel… Contract bidders, all kinds of new workers….
Hire out Chance Mfg. to build the towers!! Hire MORE workers!! More bidders, more transportation personnel!!
As I have said previously, it wont take TEN YEARS to get wind power up and running… no where NEAR 10 years!!!
[I cant believe I am in the same(close) ball park as Pickens]
Blow, Blow, Cherokee wind ……
DavidB
Posted July 19, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink
Why does he lie?
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Because he wants to!! Because he CAN…
AND — BECAUSE nobody can stop him…
It’s a POWER trip!!
Direct co2 measurements have already been taken earlier in the 20th century. The reason and the only reason the alarmists does not use this data, because it doesn’t fit into their hypothesis of man-made co2 induced global warming.
However, in fields such as geology, paleontology, medicine,nutrition, biology, botany and ecology, etc.; the earlier measurements have been the bedrock of their scientific discoveries and successful hypothesis.
Co2 is not globally equalized, it varies greatly from one location to another. The reason the alarmists pick remote and elevated sites is so that they can get co2 measurements that are directly affected by wind currents that ‘wash out’ high and low levels of co2 to their respective sinks (absorbers like the ground and the ocean)
Ground and ocean sinks hold up to as much as 50 times the amount of co2 as does the atmosphere. CO2 is constantly recycled and constantly on the move, it is not a steady state process. It is quite dynamic. It’s a gas remember?
The alarmist also selectively chose one data set from the 1880s and 1890s and chose it as a pre-industrial, pre-Anthrogenic base so there would be a low setting of co2 based readings. Without this cherry picked low setting, the entire theory of man-made global warming fails.
The other reason that co2 data measurments are false, is that it takes several hundreds of years for co2 to dissipate in the atmosphere and into outer space or into a combination with other elements or greenhouse gases to be recycled.
It takes about 5000 years for an ice age to end and, after the initial 800 year lag, temperature and CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere rise together for a further 4200 years.
The effect of CO2 is logarithmic and not linear. The preindustrial CO2 contributes to natural greenhouse effect (33°C) and the additional CO2 to enhanced greenhouse effect. A man made increase of 7 percent cannot have an immediate or significant impact in a short time frame such as the past 100 years.
One study in Hawaii, shows that ocean calcification is not in the short term (less than 500 year) a significant factor in atmospheric co2.
“In the Wailoa river-estuary system, extremely high pCO2 values ranging from 1500 to 10500 ppm were measured with significant shifts in pCO2 from drought to flood period. In the two rivers, water residence time, groundwater inputs and occasional flood events are the predominant drivers of the spatial and temporal patterns in the distribution of pCO2. In Hilo Bay, CO2 oversaturation dominates and the bay was a source of CO2 to the atmosphere during the study period. TA is conservative along the salinity gradient, indicating calcification in the bay is not a significant source of CO2 to the atmosphere.”rançois S. Paquay1 Contact Information, Fred T. Mackenzie1 and Alberto V. Borges
Here’s an interesting time line reporting on scientific news.
• 1923:
Glaciers have disappeared and land once covered with field ice is bare.
• 1924:
Glaciers are moving from their age-old beds, pouring greater quantities of ice into the sea than recorded history has known. Broad areas of land are sinking to new levels. A number of islands have disappeared.
• 1930:
The Alpine glaciers are in full retreat. Out of 102 glaciers observed by Professor P.L. Mercanton of the University of Lausanne and his associates more than twothirds have been found to be shrinking.
• 1935:
The great glaciers of the West, last remnants of the Ice Age on continental United States, have been retreating from their strongholds in the mountains at double time since last year.
• 1947:
A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the Arctic, engendering a “serious international problem,” Dr. Hans Ahlmann, noted Swedish geophysicist, said today.
Of course, the same archives also yield collosal climate coldness concerns:
• 1895:
The question is again being discussed whether recent and long-continued observations do not point to the advent of a second glacial period, when the countries now basking in the fostering warmth of a tropical sun will ultimately give way to the perennial frost and snow of the polar regions.
The geological record shows a persistent 1,500-year cycle of warming and cooling extending back at least one million years.
The widely touted “consensus” of 2,500 scientists on the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an illusion: Most of the panelists have no scien-tific qualifications, and many of the others object to some part of the IPCC’s report. The As-sociated Press reported recently that only 52 climate scientists contributed to the report’s “Summary for Policymakers.”
Had a conversation with pastor Ben Bigots the other day. I asked him why he stuck around the boy scouts for ten years if he was constantly getting buggered.
He replied, “Wall, now, that dangnab line jes kept gettin’ longer an’ longer. Wouldna been right fer me ta jus leave them boy scouts all fired up, now would it?”
I asked him why he inbred.
“Wall,” he says, “ma sis is jes plane prettier than all then otha hethen bitches. Beside, she likes me. Says I remind her o some guy namea regular”
Ate any good books lately JMWalker?
Some one said I should learn a little history …ok,
http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html
By what criteria can we decide what ancient godman stories were new and original, and what ancient godman stories were myths built up from the religious ideas of their day?
Here’s what I mean..
Athens, sixth century BC
Don’t believe Greg. Click the thumbnails to see the ancient evidence.
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<< In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth.
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<< When Scipio Africanus (Scipio Africanus, for Christ’s sake) is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.
So how come when Jesus is described as
the Son of God,
born of a mortal woman,
according to prophecy,
turning water into wine,
raising girls from the dead, and
<——– healing blind men with his spittle,
and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks…
how come that’s not a myth?
And how come, in a culture with all those Sons of God, where miracles were science, where Heaven and Hell and God and eternal life and salvation were in the temples, in the philosophies, in the books, were dancing and howling in street festivals, how come we imagine Jesus and the stories about him developed all on their own, all by themselves, without picking up any of their stuff from the culture they sprang from, the culture full of the same sort of stuff?
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Regular
Posted July 19, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink
Ate any good books lately JMWalker?
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Only recycled ones with pictures.
Hey annie_moose and other Libs, if you don’t believe in Christianity as a faith, that’s fine with me.
But it appears to me, liberals like yourself spend an inordinate amount of time trying to disprove something they don’t believe in.
Proving a negative must be a fun part time occupation for Libs.
Hey cosmo,chas, DavidB,etc, give it up. You are getting your collective asses kicked. Its really starting to become quite embarrassing. How bout we change the subject?
This week marked the twelfth anniversary of the downing of TWA flight 800 off Long Island, NY. Thats right, I said “downing”, as in shot down. TWA 800 was brought down by Islamic Terrorists with a SAM missile fired from a small boat in Long Island Sound. It led to the second biggest coverup in US history, which is continuing to this day. The official explanation of an exploding center fuel tank is even less plausible than the lone gunman theory of the Warren Commission.
The actual target that day was an EL AL (Israeli) Jet that took off from JFK just ahead of TWA 800. That flight included several high ranking Israeli officials. The coverup was just another attempt by the Clinton administration to hide from the American people the fact that radical Islam was at war with the United States. This one came at a very inopportune time with the 96 presidential election just four months away. If the American people knew that Flight 800 was brought down by terrorists, they would have demanded action. Clintons whole reelection would have hinged on what he did or didn’t do in response.
We all know the rest of the story. The 98 Embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole, the failure to take out OBL when he could have been had for nothing, all leading to the events of 9/11.
Who knows, maybe the whole war on terror could have been won at a fraction of the cost if we would have dealt with it back in the 90’s. Just like Hitler could have been stopped in the mid thirties if England and France had acted forcefully when a still militarily weak Germany militarized the Rhineland and occupied the Sudatenland.
Ummmm — Please to show where anybody on this thread has kicked my A$$ or anybody else’s for that matter??
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
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“Empirical” = relying or based on experiment or experience.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ said that scientists worldwide, since the 1800’s, have FALSIFIED their CO2 measurements.
J. A. Reiset made precise measurements of well-mixed global CO2, that even showed seasonal variations. He made those measurements on the coast of France, from 1871 to 1880, when the wind was blowing onshore.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ claims that what J. A. Reiset actually measured was just “calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
“TWA 800 was brought down by Islamic Terrorists with a SAM missile fired from a small boat in Long Island Sound. It led to the second biggest coverup in US history, which is continuing to this day. The official explanation of an exploding center fuel tank is even less plausible than the lone gunman theory of the Warren Commission.”
OK — If you are so DAMNED sure of yourself, what do you offer for any kind of links… Hopefully, you are aware that there are other working hypotheses on Flight 800 besides this one…
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 19, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
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“Empirical” = relying or based on experiment or experience.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ said that scientists worldwide, since the 1800’s, have FALSIFIED their CO2 measurements.
J. A. Reiset made precise measurements of well-mixed global CO2, that even showed seasonal variations. He made those measurements on the coast of France, from 1871 to 1880, when the wind was blowing onshore.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ claims that what J. A. Reiset actually measured was just “calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
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Thank you for the example in your statement above cosmos.
Here’s how cosmos manipulates words and writes things that he accuses other people of writing.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ claims that what J. A. Reiset actually measured was just “calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
In essence, since I never wrote the above statement, that makes cosmos a liar.
cosmos does this exact same thing several times a day to several posters.
That makes cosmos, a pathological liar, who cannot demonstrate what is true and what he fictitiously made up in his own mind.
cosmos is delusional.
cosmos is a liar.
cosmos is not a scientist.
Chrisfrommactown is showing just how ignorant he really is with that fantasy!
I agree Apophis… but, the least he can do is post some links!! LOL
Good evening Chas.,
annie_moose has asked several questions concerning the Christian faith. Most of them have very easy answers but since we are truly blessed on this BLOG with the services of an Ordained Christian minister I thought it would be presumptuous for me to jump in and take over.
I defer to your expertise in this matter.
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Chas
Posted July 19, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink
“TWA 800 was brought down by Islamic Terrorists with a SAM missile fired from a small boat in Long Island Sound. It led to the second biggest coverup in US history, which is continuing to this day. The official explanation of an exploding center fuel tank is even less plausible than the lone gunman theory of the Warren Commission.”
OK — If you are so DAMNED sure of yourself, what do you offer for any kind of links… Hopefully, you are aware that there are other working hypotheses on Flight 800 besides this one…
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Thought they proved it was some sort of static discharge caused by a bad design?
And this went back to the manufacturer to correct.
I recall seeing a program on this, 60 minutes or something like that.
. Exceeding reasonable limits; immoderate. See Synonyms at excessive.
2. Not regulated; disorderly.
But it appears to me, liberals like yourself spend an inordinate amount of time trying to disprove something they don’t believe in.
Thanks for the encouragement reg. you ain’t seen nothing yet. Do you believe in global warming?
McCluer is delusional.
McCluer is a (proven) liar.
McCluer is not a scientist.
James, I saw a couple of programs along that same line as well… I thought that was pretty much a non-issue these days… I guess the conspiracy nuts are still holding out for more “theories”.
I just figure Chrisfrommactown should provide some links, or else drop it…
BTW, Chris, same thing for showing where anybody beat my a$$ or anybody else’s…
We are all waiting…. ROFL!!
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annie_moose
Posted July 19, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink
. Exceeding reasonable limits; immoderate. See Synonyms at excessive.
2. Not regulated; disorderly.
But it appears to me, liberals like yourself spend an inordinate amount of time trying to disprove something they don’t believe in.
Thanks for the encouragement reg. you ain’t seen nothing yet. Do you believe in global warming?
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I believe in climate change that happens through natural variability.
Hank — my best advice on Annie’s questions is to get a copy of Joseph Campbell’s THE POWER OF MYTH… Thats one of the best resources available that deals with everything Annie was asking about…
Hope that helps, Annie…
Smart kid
At a recent rural elementary school assembly in Texas, John McCain asked the audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in total silence.
Then he said into the microphone, “Children, every time I clap my hands together, a child in America dies from gun violence.”
Then, little Earl, with a proud East Texas drawl, pierced the quiet and said:
“Well, dumb-ass, stop clapping!”
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 19, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ claims that what J. A. Reiset actually measured was just “calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
In essence, since I never wrote the above statement, that makes cosmos a liar.”
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‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
So. . . ‘Regular’ admits that J. A. Reiset made accurate measurements of well-mixed, uncontaminated, atmospheric CO2 levels?
If ‘Regular’s answer is “yes”, then he basically also admits that these CO2 measurements are accurate measurements of well-mixed, uncontaminated, atmospheric CO2 levels.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
Those CO2 measurements use the same principle that J. A. Reiset used — avoid contamination from nearby human and natural sources.
That’s why J. A. Reiset made CO2 measurements on the coast, during onshore winds.
The same as was done at La Jolla pier.
‘Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Record from La Jolla Pier, California, U.S.A.’
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-ljo.html
Everything you want to know about flatulence, and some things you don’t.
Air Biscuits 101
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By Stephen G. Bloom
Feb. 24, 2000 | When I told my wife I was going to write a story about farts, she said that if I mentioned her name I was dead meat. Fact is, there is nothing to be ashamed of. Everyone farts. The amount of gas and the volume at which a fart is expelled are another issue. My wife does fart and she farts loudly but, thank God, her farts are mostly odorless. This is not the case with mine.
To understand the nuances of farting, or flatulence, I called upon Dr. Michael D. Levitt, a gastroenterologist and associate chief of staff at the Minneapolis Veterans Affairs Medical Center. Levitt, 64, could well be called Dr. Fart because he is the world’s leading authority on flatulence. He has had 275 articles printed on flatulence in medical journals, as either the principal author or the co-author.
In fact, Levitt’s career could only happen in America. “In other countries, no way would a scientist study farts. But for reasons I can’t completely figure out, farting is considered wrong in America and people are worried about it. Farts have been good to me. I’ve done very well, thank you.”
Levitt works with four assistants out of a small laboratory on the third floor of the V.A. hospital, about a mile west of the Mississippi River. Every day he receives at least one long-distance phone consultation from a worried farter, almost always a man whose wife has prompted her husband to find out why he cuts the cheese so often.
Levitt’s job doesn’t end when he leaves the hospital at night, either. “Every cocktail party I go to, I always get at least one wife who comes up to me and complains about her husband’s farts.”
To clear the air (there will be no more puns in this story), Levitt says that his research has shown that on average the normal number of flatulatic occurrences a day is 10. There are scores more, but they are all internal explosions and since this gas technically never leaves the body, it can’t really be considered flatulence.
Levitt notes that if you have on average more than 22 separate flatulent occurrences a day, then you may want to consider several things: what you eat, how fast you eat it and how much air you swallow when you eat or drink.
In his 40-year career, Levitt has seen only two patients (both men) who farted upward of 140 times a day, but these extraordinary cases were lactose-intolerant individuals and, once dairy products were cut out of their diets, they returned to the normal range of acceptability. “These two were the biggest farters of my career. One of them complained that his sex life had been ruined by his chronic farting,” Levitt says.
There are four possible reasons why some people fart more than others: They eat a lot of carbohydrates; they swallow air when they eat; the bacteria in their intestines are more efficient in turning carbohydrates into gas; or, conversely, the bacteria in their intestines don’t consume carbohydrates efficiently, and therefore produce gas.
Levitt says an average male fart is made up of about 110 milliliters of gas (almost half a cup), with 80 milliliters for a woman’s (a third of a cup). That adds up to a lot of gas — 38 ounces during a single day for men, 27 ounces for women. Although some women claim they never fart, Levitt says that’s not true. They just fart less because they are smaller.
Gassy food is gassy food for everyone, says Levitt, with a crucial caveat. Some people are able to absorb and tolerate the gas they produce better than others. The single most gas-producing food for most everyone, Levitt says, is — no surprise — baked beans. The musical fruit is made up entirely of simple carbohydrates, which are not absorbed in the intestines. Once inside the intestines, the sludge that was once beans is broken down by bacteria and enzymes, and then ferments. In that process, the thick, gooey substance can produce potent gases that have nowhere to go but down — and out, thank goodness.
Out is important. While Levitt says he has never treated someone who held a fart in too long, there are dangerous side effects (including dizziness and headaches). Your colon becomes bloated, and theoretically, the methane and other lethal gases could add enough toxins to your blood to poison you. Levitt does not recommend holding in farts.
Besides beans, vegetables (especially broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage and cauliflower) are also gas producers, as are grains and fiber. (Pumpernickel, the dark-grain bread, means “goblin that breaks wind” in Old German.) In fact, some of the healthiest foods, touted as anodynes for cancer and heart disease, are the foods that produce the most gas.
But what if you don’t eat lots of veggies and carbs and you still exceed 10 explosions a day on the fart-o-meter scale that Levitt says is normal? There could be several reasons:
Drinking too many carbonated beverages. The fizz in most carbonated beverages comes from carbon dioxide, which is dissipated by the time it reaches your intestines. But many soft drinks contain fructose, a sugar the intestines have a difficult time absorbing, thereby causing flatus, the medical term for farts (which comes from the Latin meaning “the act of blowing”).
Drinking through a straw. If you sip air when you swallow, then the air has to come out some way, often through your butt.
Eating too fast, and eating too much fast food. Chew your food slowly. The act of eating quickly tends to induce the diner to take in air, thereby bloating the colon, as well as turning the air inside deadly.
Chewing gum. When you chew gum, you swallow air, and that means more of the above.
Not enough exercise. Exercising helps the body absorb gases in the colon, thereby dissipating them by the time they reach your anus. If you happen to fart while you are exercising, particularly in a health club, it’s usually not so bad because most people wear headsets and listen to music, which tends to obscure the sound. As for smell, workout places often are venues of assorted bodily odors, so run-of-the-mill farts often go undetected, particularly if you don’t look suspicious.
Air Biscuits cont’d
Speaking of silent but deadly, Levitt doubts their existence. “Noisy farts can smell just as bad as silent ones,” he says. “That’s another myth that needs to be put to rest.”
Whether silent or musical, all farts are made up of a variety of gases. The majority are made up of nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen and methane — all odorless. As anyone who has been to summer camp knows, methane, even in small amounts, can torch a match. The higher density of methane, the greater the bluish-green flames. The hydrogen in farts can cause a loud popping sound when ignited. Fart smells come in when sulfur gets stirred into the gaseous mix. Hydrogen causes the fart to waft quickly upward.
So, now that we know what’s in them, how do we make them go away? Levitt says that over-the-counter items like Bean-O and Gas-Ex rarely work. Bean-O does, though, have a 24-hour toll-free hot line, (800) 257-8650 (no, it doesn’t spell out F-A-R-T), and has a nifty collection of promotional materials, including a fanny pack and yellow windbreaker (get it?). Antacids work on some people, but Levitt stresses that for the best results, users should take no more than four tablespoons or tablets a day.
For odor, about the only thing that Levitt says works is a fart cushion made of charcoal, called the Tooter Trapper, invented by a man whose co-workers complained of his farts so much that they demanded he be moved out of the office pool into a separate room with a door. The air filter, which you sit on, does a good job of eliminating fart odors but, of course, treats only the results, not the symptoms, of the noxious-smelling gas.
Forget Glade or Airwick, or even matches, to eradicate fart smells. The thing that works best is opening a window. Lighting a match may camouflage the smell but will not dispel it, says Levitt.
And as for masking the sound, Levitt says that depending on the anatomical peculiarities of a person’s anus, sounds can vary when gas is squeezed through such a tight opening. The larger the volume of gas expelled and the greater the pressure exerted, generally the greater the noise, although Levitt says that standing usually tends to minimize the sound over sitting, which can amplify the toot.
Besides food, antibiotics occasionally cause some people to fart more, Levitt says, because the medications can disrupt the natural flora of the colon, thereby making it more difficult to break down certain foods, and thus leading to more flatus.
Americans are probably the most supercilious about farts. Other cultures are less squeamish about them. The British explorer and linguist Sir Richard Francis Burton, who first translated the “Kama Sutra” in 1883, contends in one of his many books that a tribe of Arabian Bedouins created a language of arcane codes and warnings through a series of intricately nuanced farts.
Farting came out of the closet in the United States in the breakthrough 1974 film “Blazing Saddles,” in which Mel Brooks plays Gov. Le Petomane, who serves up baked beans around the campfire one night and hears the results from a bivouac of cowboys. Actually, Brooks’ character was named after Joseph Pujol, known as Le Petroman (which translates to the “Fartiste”), who in 1892 debuted at the Moulin Rouge in Paris with a show that featured Pujol paying a flute, smoking a cigarette, blowing out candles, even singing La Marseillaise from anus air. Pujol extinguished candles from 2 feet away and became famous for his imitations of thunder, cannons and 2 yards of calico fabric being ripped. Pujol opened his own theater (the Pompadour), in which he starred for two decades before dying in 1945.
Levitt says Pujol probably was able to aspirate through his anus, that is, suck air in through his butt, and with that air performed his assortment of tricks. So it really wasn’t Pujol’s farts that amazed his audiences, but merely air that traveled a wee distance, instead of the longer, more arduous trip from mouth to colon to buttocks.
Farts, of course, predate Pujol. The Aristophanes play “The Clouds” contains a reference to farts. In Dante’s “Divine Comedy,” flatulent demons in the eighth ring of Hell make “trumpets of their asses.” Hieronymus Bosch’s “The Garden of Earthly Delights” shows a young woman with red roses shooting out from her derri?re. And in 1776, Benjamin Franklin published a book of bawdy essays called “Fart Proudly.”
Franklin wasn’t the only one who knew that farts are funny. For a host of complex cultural reasons, farts render 10-year-old boys silly, not to mention more than a few grown men who still get amused for some reason by anal gas. It’s a strange thing, though, farts. Take, for example, the expression “old fart.” It’s a term of insult when spoken in the third person, but one of pride when spoken about oneself.
And for those of you who must have an Internet fart connection, there are plenty of places. My personal favorite is farts.com, which offers an audio sampling of scores of farts, and allows viewers to rate the flatulence on several criteria, including verisimilitude, pitch, duration and volume.
salon.com | Feb. 24, 2000
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About the writer
Stephen G. Bloom teaches medical reporting at the University of Iowa.
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I’m a little disappointed in your response, Chas.
annie’s basic question was, ‘Why isn’t Christianity just not another myth built on the current culture of the times and previous myths?” (feel free to correct my assumption if I’m wrong annie)
I’m afraid Campbell’s ‘The Power of Myth’ does little to address her basic question.
A very good book for her to read would be ‘Hard Questions Real Answers’ by William Lane Craig.
Another recommendation of mine would be ‘Good Ideas from Questionable Christians and Outright Pagans’ by Steve Wilkins.
A very good book that explores the relationship between philosophy and religion is ‘For Faith and Clarity’ (I’m in bed and it’s downstairs in my office or I’d give you the author too) It’s a little deeper but very good read for a Christian.
The measurement of farts in PPM
I draw your attention to the following articles explaining the dangers of the gases that provide the smell in a Whizzpop, namely hydrogen-sulphide gases and Mercaptans:
What Are Mercaptans
Mercaptans are a group of sulfur-containing organic chemical substances. They smell like rotting cabbage, and are, for the most part, what make pulp mills smell like pulp mills. If mercaptans are in the air, even at low concentrations, they are very noticeable.
Pulp mills are the chief source of mercaptans, although they are also found in production processes of some pesticides, pharmaceuticals and petroleum products. They are also used as an odourizing agent in natural gas. The human body produces them naturally during digestion of beer, garlic and some other foods.
Dangers of Mercaptans
Not very much is known about the dangers of mercaptans, but current research shows that mercaptans are less poisonous than hydrogen sulfide (the gas that smells like rotten eggs).
…..and theres more:
Hydrogen sulphide
This gas is most likely to be involved in fatal accidents. It is a clear gas with a characteristic smell of rotten eggs. Its smell cannot be used as an indicator of the gas being present. Remember no smell could actually indicate a high concentration of hydrogen sulphide rather than its absence. Lack of smell is not a guide to the absence of the gas as the sense of smell is lost at high concentrations.
The Exposure Limit for hydrogen sulphide gas is 15 parts per million (ppm). This means that the concentration in the air measured over a 15 minute period should never be higher than 15 parts per million and indeed levels should be kept as low as possible. It should be noted that gas levels of over 2000 ppm at slat level have been recorded, indicating a lethal level of gas, which can cause rapid death.
So providing you don’t float an air biscuit that contains more than 2000ppm of Hydrogen-Sulphide you should be safe. As for the life span of the smell – I have no idea, although some of those particularly sneeky ones can last a long time under the bed covers.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/off-topic/37287-what-half-life-fart.html
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 19, 2008 at 10:27 pm
“I believe in climate change that happens through natural variability.”
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But multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ does not have any credible science to support his “belief” against AGW, so he instead uses LIES.
Hank,
Do YOU know the difference between Arctic sea ice, and an “ice shelf”?
Charles are you in Wichita?
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 19, 2008 at 10:57 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 19, 2008 at 10:27 pm
“I believe in climate change that happens through natural variability.”
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But multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ does not have any credible science to support his “belief” against AGW, so he instead uses LIES.
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Right cosmos.
No proof.
Just hundreds of millions of years of climate change before man even set foot on the earth.
Ice ages anyone?
Religion again?
Yeah.
I’ll believe in God when I start seeing some blessings on the unfortunate as opposed to the called down persecution of the faithful on the oppressed.
Sorry to see you are disappointed Hank… I didnt feel it appropriate to list books that are written by Christian authors, when the one with the questions is not, I believe, a Christian… (Sorry if I am wrong, Annie)
Bsically, Hank, she wants some answers… NOT lessons in Evangelism… :-)
Yes, Annie… Wichita
“Just hundreds of millions of years of climate change before man even set foot on the earth.”
That can’t be true – Nathan and Hank Price say that the Earth is only 8,000 years old.
Very good Chas., I guess it would be inappropriate to have Christianity explained and defended by. . . Christians!
My disappointment in your answer, however, was that Campbell’s book was irrelevant in addressing her basic question.
Furthermore, I would hardly classify the books I recommended as ‘lessons in Evangelism’! I have a list of those too, if your interested.
Do you really expect a non-Christian to be an effective apologetic for Christianity?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 19, 2008 at 11:02 pm
“Right cosmos.
No proof.
Just hundreds of millions of years of climate change before man even set foot on the earth.
Ice ages anyone?”
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That’s right, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. . . you’ve got “no proof“.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has “no proof” that a large-scale, human-caused nuclear war would not cause global climate changes.
Just like multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has “no proof” that humans causing higher levels of CO2, methane, and other GHG’s is not causing AGW.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has “no proof“. . . he’s like a small child, who just “believes” in the “tooth fairy”.
Go to sleep Hank… I am not going to argue with you about it… I gave Annie a very solid reponse…. Sorry if you dont like it…
By the way, the Questioner in Campbell’s book is a very devout Chistian, Bill Moyers… The book is VERY balanced… just not evangelistic… Read it some time…
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Did J. A. Reiset make accurate measurements of well-mixed, uncontaminated, atmospheric CO2 levels?
I see that cosmos has resorted to wild arm flailing now.
Too bad cosmos does not understand that the entirety of the climate system is complex and it cannot be put into a box and determined.
cosmos has put his reputation on the line when some foolish scientists who made a theory and now have to fabricate data to make their theory work.
Mother nature is making fools of them and cosmos.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Your answer to my question here is “no”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-719-2/#comment-386450
“So. . . ‘Regular’ admits that J. A. Reiset made accurate measurements of well-mixed, uncontaminated, atmospheric CO2 levels?”
Well,
The fundy Christians, this is not their world is it?
They are things of the next “world” right?
I even got Outlander to admit it.
So, I tend to think MEN and WOMEN need to address THIS world.
As “God” has taken the hands off approach?
SO, since “GOD” is absent in the affairs of man, maybe his zealots should excuse themselves as well?
Dear cosmos,
I’ve been to the North Pole on a fast attack submarine. What life experiences can you bring to a discussion on Arctic ice?
When it comes to the Arctic the difference between Arctic sea ice and an ice shelf is meaningless. The terms for all practical purposes are interchangeable.
If the Arctic sea ice extends to the point that it joins with an ice shelf is the whole mass of ice now an ice shelf? If you start walking north from the coast of Canada in the dead of winter, when the Arctic ice has closed the northern passage and extends all the way to the pole can you tell the difference between shelf ice and sea ice? Does it matter? If sea ice is moved by currents until it becomes attached to a northern land mass is it now no longer sea ice and now an ice shelf? Would you be able to tell if the ice was originally sea ice that became an ice shelf or if the sea ice originally was an ice shelf? Does it matter?
What life experiences can you bring to the discussion? Has your life ever depended on knowing the location of the nearest polyna? Do you know what a polyna is?
Ummmmm IIRC, there is NO land mass at the North Pole… Thus, there would be no Shelf Ice in the Arctic Ocean…
The Shelf Ice would be in the Antarctic…
“I’ve been to the North Pole on a fast attack submarine. ”
So has Al Gore.
He came to a different conclusion.
Dear Chas.,
I read it about 15 years ago. I thought it meaningless drivel. I may still have my copy somewhere, unless I used it to paper train one of my puppies.
Bill Moyers may or may not be a ‘devout Christian’, I think he is a far left hack.
He did write a very good book, ‘Genesis: A Living Conversation’ which would probably be a lot better than Campbell’s for annie. If I remember correctly, he might have just been the editor instead of the author.
I will, take your advice and go to sleep now. I’ve finished my little project for the evening.
Sounds like a good idea Hank… :-D
Hank Price posted July 19, 2008 at 11:40 pm
“Dear cosmos,
I’ve been to the North Pole on a fast attack submarine. What life experiences can you bring to a discussion on Arctic ice?
When it comes to the Arctic the difference between Arctic sea ice and an ice shelf is meaningless. The terms for all practical purposes are interchangeable.”
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Well done, Hank Price!
Well done, Hank Price’s NewsBotchers!
http://www.esr.org/outreach/glossary/ice_shelf.html
“Ice Shelf: definition.
An ice shelf is the floating extension of the ice sheets that have formed on land from thousands or millions of years of snowfall. It is therefore made up entirely of fresh water, in contrast to sea ice, which still has some salt in it from the ocean. Most of the world’s ice is located in Antarctica and Greenland. The ice sheet slowly flows downhill due to gravity, usually as glaciers which can also become ice streams. When the ice sheet reaches the coast, it starts to float when the depth of the floating ice is less than the water depth.”
http://www.esr.org/outreach/glossary/sea_ice.html
“Sea Ice: definition.
Sea ice forms at the ocean surface once the surface temperature drops to the freezing point during fall and winter. The freezing point for salty ocean water is about 29oF (-2oC), slightly colder than it is for fresh water (32oF, 0oC). When sea ice forms, a lot of the salt is expelled from the ice crystal structure, but the ice still ends up being slightly salty (about 1% salt, compared with about 3.5% salt in the ocean). This is distinct from the ice of {ice shelves}, which originally formed from snow falling on land, and so are completely fresh.”
Just more proof for why Chas is no Christian.
WHAT PROOF WOULD THAT BE BIBLE BOY??
Nathaniel,
Isn’t Steven Milloy (aka Steve M’Lie) one of your favorite climate scientists(sic)?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-719-2/#comment-386351
Political_mama,
How would you know?
You don’t know anything about me as a person other than some of the opinions I choose to share here.
Yet you claim I am not a good religious person?
Let me guess, you are still all upset because I was “attacking” Linda on the blog.
*Eye Roll*
“Just more proof for why Chas is no Christian.”
Sigh…………………………………………
“No, you’re not!”
“Yes, I am!”
“I say you’re not and I know!!”
“Yes, I am!”
“I am the last word on Christianity!”
“No, you’re not!”
“Yes, I am!”
And then repeat, over and over and over again.
Nathaniel,
Do YOU know the difference between Arctic sea ice, and an “ice shelf”?
Your dad didn’t. . .
Neither did NewBotchers.
Well done, Hank, and NewsBotchers!
CLARK — I AM NOT ARGUING WITH HIM TONITE… I HAVE MY REASONS… BUT NOT GONNA DO IT!!
Chas,
Only you would call me a “Bible Boy” as if that were an insult.
LOL
Perhaps someone calling you a “Bible Boy” would be insulting to you, but that is because you are no Christian and hardly believe what the Bible says either.
WS Clark,
Am I ever going to get that apology you said you would give me?
GOOD NIGHT; GOOD LUCK; GOD BLESS —
WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE GOD TO BE!!
BLESSINGS ALL!!
BLESSINGS ON THE FULL MOON!!
SO MOTE IT BE!!
“Am I ever going to get that apology you said you would give me?”
Yes, I am sorry you were ever born, cherry boy.
How’s that, Price?
Come on don’t let him bait you Chas.
I think Nathan considers himself a Christian. His dad too.
I also know that having known them here and met them in person?
I want no part of them or their faith. They are just plain not nice people.
See the deal is Chas? They WANT to put you on the defensive.
Because they don’t want to be there themselves. They are not defensible and they know it.
I only know what I read here. I can only work from that.
My SENSE is “God” gave Nathan one mother who loved and nurtured him while Dad was away in the Navy.
Then “Dad” came home with retirement money and a new, rich wife.
Now the Price’s? They assume much and eagerly lie about me. And it was Hank who initiated the “where is his momma?” bit as to my son.
So, I’ll play too.
It was the Price’s who took it personal against me first.
What was it I read upthread? Something about “Joyce who is his momma now”?
Your dad believes in disposable people there Nathan. Where was he for you?
What? He is there now?
Nathan you don’t know a thing about parenthood. It’s not an after you grow up respectable thing.
Again, just going on what is posted here.
And it will be totally wasted on Nathan.
I’m a single Dad. My son’s Mom chose to go do her own thing. Kinda like Hank.
I think I’ll leave it there. I’m getting into the realm of people who think different from me. They presume to judge me. I do not understand them.
Hey you AGW deniers. . . when you’ve dug yourself into a very deep hole, you really should stop digging.
‘C. Monckton: Complaints and Critiques’
http://www.desmogblog.com/c-monckton-complaints-and-critiques
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 19, 2008 at 11:39 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Your answer to my question here is “no”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-719-2/#comment-386450
“So. . . ‘Regular’ admits that J. A. Reiset made accurate measurements of well-mixed, uncontaminated, atmospheric CO2 levels?”
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Yet another statement cosmos makes I did not write.
cosmos is proving to be a liar each and every time he posts.
cosmos cannot be trusted to post anything truthful.
cosmos is a liar.
cosmos is not a scientist.
completely liked finding your post, thanks for the share.
Blue Jay…..
As usual, making assumptions about people you really doesn’t know and dead wrong on all counts. And you accuse others of judging you? I say take the log out of your eye before you point out the speck in the eyes of others.
I know Nathan and Hank, they have been my neighbors for many years…although we seldom agree on politics, social issues, and religion, they ARE good people and I consider them my friends. You don’t have to share the same values to be friends with someone, in fact it’s best that way because it gives you the opportuntiy to see the world through different eyes occasionally…and we all need that in order to grow and learn and really think about what we believe.
“Yet another statement cosmos makes I did not write.
“cosmos is proving to be a liar each and every time he posts.
“cosmos cannot be trusted to post anything truthful.
“cosmos is a liar.
“cosmos is not a scientist.”
And Regular is a troll.
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ doesn’t seem to know the difference between a question and a statement.
A sentence that ends with a “? is a question.
Regular said: concerning what caused TWA Flight 800 to explode.
Thought they proved it was some sort of static discharge caused by a bad design?
And this went back to the manufacturer to correct.
I recall seeing a program on this, 60 minutes or something like that.
Hey Regular: Have you ever heard of the “magic bullet theory”.
Current Senator Arlen Spector as a member of the Warren Commission concocted this goofy theory that a single shot from Oswald’s rifle hit President Kennedy at the base of his neck, exited his front upper chest, passed through John Connally’s wrist and upper thigh. Said “magic bullet” was found on the stretcher that transported Gov. Connally almost fully intact with only a few grains of its pre-fired weight missing. A ballistic impossibility. It was necessary for Specter to come up with the magic bullet theory to fit the three shots from a lone gunman from behind and above explanation. First shot- magic bullet, second shot- clean miss, third shot- fatal head shot. Never mind that the Zebruder film clearly shows the fatal head shot as coming from the front right of the Limo.
Regular, the “static discharge caused center fuel tank to explode” theory is the “magic bullet” theory of TWA Flight 800. To believe in the “static discharge” theory, you have to ignore the fact that nothing even remotely similar had ever occurred in the entire history of commercial jet aviation. The fact that the government ordered the airlines to take some corrective action means nothing. As does 60 minutes running a segment to bolster the “static discharge” theory. After all, 60 minutes has a long history of doing what ever it takes to save Bill Clintons butt.
I love it when reichwingers fight with other reichwingers!
The troll who leaches off the government against the idiot from “mactown”! This is going to be entertaining!
Apoophis, you wouldn’t know a fight from a hole in a donut. I have nothing but respect for “regular”. He’s on here everyday doing battle with total morons such as yourself, and doing a nice job exposing you as the no-nothings that you are.
Oh gee wonder who BH is…lol.
TheBorgHunter,
LOL!!!
Your multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ doesn’t even know the difference between a question and a statement.
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Chrisfrommactown
Posted July 20, 2008 at 6:59 pm | Permalink
Regular said: concerning what caused TWA Flight 800 to explode.
Thought they proved it was some sort of static discharge caused by a bad design?
And this went back to the manufacturer to correct.
I recall seeing a program on this, 60 minutes or something like that.
Hey Regular: Have you ever heard of the “magic bullet theory”.
Current Senator Arlen Spector as a member of the Warren Commission concocted this goofy theory that a single shot from Oswald’s rifle hit President Kennedy at the base of his neck, exited his front upper chest, passed through John Connally’s wrist and upper thigh. Said “magic bullet” was found on the stretcher that transported Gov. Connally almost fully intact with only a few grains of its pre-fired weight missing. A ballistic impossibility. It was necessary for Specter to come up with the magic bullet theory to fit the three shots from a lone gunman from behind and above explanation. First shot- magic bullet, second shot- clean miss, third shot- fatal head shot. Never mind that the Zebruder film clearly shows the fatal head shot as coming from the front right of the Limo.
Regular, the “static discharge caused center fuel tank to explode” theory is the “magic bullet” theory of TWA Flight 800. To believe in the “static discharge” theory, you have to ignore the fact that nothing even remotely similar had ever occurred in the entire history of commercial jet aviation. The fact that the government ordered the airlines to take some corrective action means nothing. As does 60 minutes running a segment to bolster the “static discharge” theory. After all, 60 minutes has a long history of doing what ever it takes to save Bill Clintons butt.
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It’s not a magic bullet theory, it’s a fact based in science.
Fuel tanks have static problems, even the huge fuel storage tanks on the ground.
They have to “ground” aircraft after they have been in flight, because they carry a huge static charge that can cause tremendous harm to avionics, humans and cause fuel explosions.
There also is a known problem with static building up with sloshing fuel in fuel tanks.
Kennedy and the magic bullet? I dunno, I was in Junior High School at the time and it was reasonably credible that one assassin killed Kennedy and wounded Connally.
I was also on a dove hunt in Texas when my friend shot a dove out of the sky with a single shot 22 caliber rifle. Like that would happen even if one tried. We joked about that for years.
“Fuel tanks have static problems, even the huge fuel storage tanks on the ground.
They have to “ground” aircraft after they have been in flight, because they carry a huge static charge that can cause tremendous harm to avionics, humans and cause fuel explosions.”
Once again, if this is true, why hadn’t it ever happened before and why was it the only time in history? The odds of that are very slim.
As for JFK’s assassination, I wasn’t even in school yet.
And no, BH is not chrisfrommactown.
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TheBorgHunter
Posted July 21, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink
“Fuel tanks have static problems, even the huge fuel storage tanks on the ground.
They have to “ground” aircraft after they have been in flight, because they carry a huge static charge that can cause tremendous harm to avionics, humans and cause fuel explosions.”
Once again, if this is true, why hadn’t it ever happened before and why was it the only time in history? The odds of that are very slim.
As for JFK’s assassination, I wasn’t even in school yet.
And no, BH is not chrisfrommactown.
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There has only been one other instance of fuel tank explosion on commercial aircraft and that was in the Philippines. It’s uncommon, but is a recognized hazard.
The military deals with this hazard by pumping nitrogen extracted from the atmosphere into the fuel tank as it uses up fuel. Being an inert gas it will not allow an explosion because there are no fumes that have low ignition points to ignite.
I think fuel tankers of air, land and sea use this method as well.
I have no idea why commercial aircraft haven’t utilized this method other than cost.