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Your employer didn’t pay you? With this administration, you’re plain out of luck:
Two new reports by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) show the U.S. Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division, especially under the Bush administration, is conducting fewer and less thorough investigations in allegations of employer wage theft.
Over the past decade, the number of investigations into employers’ refusal to pay minimum wage, overtime or even any wages at all, has dropped from 47,000 in 1997 to just 30,000 last year. And when investigations are launched, sometimes investigators drop their probes simply because an employer hangs up on them or asserts, without proof, they can’t afford to pay the workers what they are owed.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/07/16/employer-doesnt-pay-you-under-bush-wage-and-hour-dept-youre-out-of-luck.
Full text here:
http://edlabor.house.gov/hearings/fc-2008-07-15.shtml
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But that’s okay. The neocons here will probably accuse the ones not getting paid of spending too much anyway, right Max?
Political_mama
Posted July 17, 2008 at 6:47 am | Permalink
In a spectacular act of complicity with the religious right, the Department of Health and Human Services Monday released a proposal that allows any federal grant recipient to obstruct a woman’s access to contraception. In order to do this, the Department is attempting to redefine many forms of contraception, the birth control 40 percent of Americans use, as abortion. Doing so protects extremists under the Weldon and Church amendments. Those laws prohibit federal grant recipients from requiring employees to help provide or refer for abortion services. The “Definitions” section of the HHS proposal states,
Abortion: An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. There are two commonly held views on the question of when a pregnancy begins. Some consider a pregnancy to begin at conception (that is, the fertilization of the egg by the sperm), while others consider it to begin with implantation (when the embryo implants in the lining of the uterus). A 2001 Zogby International American Values poll revealed that 49 percent of Americans believe that human life begins at conception. Presumably many who hold this belief think that any action that destroys human life after conception is the termination of a pregnancy, and so would be included in their definition of the term “abortion.” Those who believe pregnancy begins at implantation believe the term “abortion” only includes the destruction of a human being after it has implanted in the lining of the uterus.
The proposal continues,
Both definitions of pregnancy inform medical practice. Some medical authorities, like the American Medical Association and the British Medical Association, have defined the term “established pregnancy” as occurring after implantation. Other medical authorities present different definitions. Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, for example, defines pregnancy as “[t]he state of a female after conception and until the termination of the gestation.” Dorland’s Medical Dictionary defines pregnancy, in relevant part, as “the condition of having a developing embryo or fetus in the body, after union of an oocyte and spermatozoon.
Up until now, the federal government followed the definition of pregnancy accepted by the American Medical Association and our nation’s pregnancy experts, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, which is: pregnancy begins at implantation. With this proposal, however, HHS is dismissing medical experts and opting instead to accept a definition of pregnancy based on polling data. It now claims that pregnancy begins at some biologically unknowable moment (there’s no test to determine if a woman’s egg has been fertilized). Under these new standards there would be no way for a woman to prove she’s not pregnant. Thus, any woman could be denied contraception under HHS’ new science.
The other rarely discussed issue here is whether hormonal contraception even does what the religious right claims. There is no scientific evidence that hormonal methods of birth control can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the womb. This argument is the basis upon which the religious right hopes to include the 40 percent of the birth control methods Americans use, such as the pill, the patch, the shot, the ring, the IUD, and emergency contraception, under the classification “abortion.”
http://www.alternet.org/stories/91654/?page=entire&ses=2af7cd7a086ce5a6d4a923b3c7e6f8f5
Malthus, the false prophet
AMID an astonishing surge in food prices, which has sparked riots and unrest in many countries and is making even the relatively affluent citizens of America and Europe feel the pinch, faith in the ability of global markets to fill nearly 7 billion bellies is dwindling. Given the fear that a new era of chronic shortages may have begun, it is perhaps understandable that the name of Thomas Malthus is in the air. Yet if his views were indeed now correct, that would defy the experience of the past two centuries.
Malthus first set out his ideas in 1798 in “An Essay on the Principle of Population”. This expounded a tragic twin trajectory for the growth of human populations and the increase of food supply. Whereas the natural tendency was for populations to grow without end, food supply would run up against the limit of finite land. As a result, the “positive checks” of higher mortality caused by famine, disease and war were necessary to bring the number of people back in line with the capacity to feed them.
In a second edition published in 1803, Malthus softened his original harsh message by introducing the idea of moral restraint. Such a “preventive check”, operating through the birth rather than the death rate, could provide a way to counter the otherwise inexorable logic of too many mouths chasing too little food. If couples married late and had fewer children, population growth could be sufficiently arrested for agriculture to cope.
It was the misfortune of Malthus-but the good luck of generations born after him-that he wrote at an historical turning point. His ideas, especially his later ones, were arguably an accurate description of pre-industrial societies, which teetered on a precarious balance between empty and full stomachs. But the industrial revolution, which had already begun in Britain, was transforming the long-term outlook for economic growth. Economies were starting to expand faster than their populations, bringing about a sustained improvement in living standards.
Far from food running out, as Malthus had feared, it became abundant as trade expanded and low-cost agricultural producers like Argentina and Australia joined the world economy. Reforms based on sound political economy played a vital role, too. In particular, the abolition of the Corn Laws in 1846 paved the way for British workers to gain from cheap food imports.
Malthus got his demographic as well as his economic predictions wrong. His assumption that populations would carry on growing in times of plenty turned out to be false. Starting in Europe, one country after another underwent a “demographic transformation” as economic development brought greater prosperity. Both birth and death rates dropped and population growth eventually started to slow.
The Malthusian heresy re-emerged in the early 1970s, the last time food prices shot up. Then, at least, there appeared to be some cause for demographic alarm. Global-population growth had picked up sharply after the second world war because it took time for high birth rates in developing countries to follow down the plunge in infant-mortality rates brought about by modern medicine. But once again the worries about overpopulation proved mistaken as the “green revolution” and further advances in agricultural efficiency boosted food supply.
If the world’s population growth was a false concern four decades ago, when it peaked at 2% a year, it is even less so now that it has slowed to 1.2%. But even though crude demography is not to blame, changing lifestyles arising from rapid economic growth especially in Asia are a new worry. As the Chinese have become more affluent, they have started to consume more meat, raising the underlying demand for basic food since cattle need more grain to feed than humans. Neo-Malthusians question whether the world can provide 6.7 billion people (rising to 9.2 billion by 2050) with a Western-style diet.
Once again the gloom is overdone. There may no longer be virgin lands to be settled and cultivated, as in the 19th century, but there is no reason to believe that agricultural productivity has hit a buffer. Indeed, one of the main barriers to another “green revolution” is unwarranted popular worries about genetically modified foods, which is holding back farm output not just in Europe, but in the developing countries that could use them to boost their exports.
Political folly increases in a geometrical ratio
As so often, governments are making matters worse. Food-export bans are proliferating. Although these may produce temporary relief for any one country, the more they spread the tighter global markets become. Another wrongheaded policy has been America’s subsidy to domestic ethanol production in a bid to reduce dependence on imported oil. This misconceived attempt to grow more fuel rather than to curb demand is expected to gobble up a third of this year’s maize (corn) crop.
Although neo-Malthusianism naturally has much to say about food scarcity, the doctrine emerges more generally as the idea of absolute limits on resources and energy, such as the notion of “peak oil”. Following the earlier scares of the 1970s, oil companies defied the pessimists by finding extra fields, not least since higher prices had spurred new exploration. But even if oil wells were to run dry, economies can still adapt by finding and exploiting other energy sources.
A new form of Malthusian limit has more recently emerged through the need to constrain greenhouse-gas emissions in order to tackle global warming. But this too can be overcome by shifting to a low-carbon economy. As with agriculture, the main difficulty in making the necessary adjustment comes from poor policies, such as governments’ reluctance to impose a carbon tax. There may be curbs on traditional forms of growth, but there is no limit to human ingenuity. That is why Malthus remains as wrong today as he was two centuries ago.
http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11374623
So, IF we were to dill in the ANWR region, and IF we were to start, say, August 1, when would be the first possible date for oil to flow South to be sent to refineries??
Just wondering….
Political Mama – when you’re talking about a human life, there is no room for mistakes. When a woman might possibly be pregnant, she should take all precautions to be sure that her developing baby is safe, including not using contraception that might harm him or her. I am assuming you have children, due to the “Mama” part of your name. The moment they were conceived, they were the exact same person they are now, just much, much smaller. I have a son who we knew, four whole months before he was born, was hyper and very intelligent. Even this unborn “fetus” was fully human, something that occured the second he was conceived, not at some vague moment during his gestation, but immediately. These unborn children need our protection. The way we slaughter them for any and every reason is reprehensible. We must protect them from the first moment of possible life until the last breath they draw after a, with our protection and care, long and productive life.
Sorry Susi, an eight celled ball is not a human being.
Well, ain’t this neat:
The Fourth Circuit’s 5-4 ruling yesterday upheld the President’s authority to detain al-Marri in a military prison as an “enemy combatant.” What makes the ruling so striking is that — unlike Hamdi and Padilla — not even the Bush administration claims that al-Marri fought alongside the Taliban, fought against U.S. forces, or had even been to Afghanistan. He’s simply a civilian accused by the President of being involved in a terrorist plot.
More here.
Gee, I’m so glad our heroic Democratic leaders gave these guys the legal right to spy on unspecified communications systems without probable cause.
Yea, Rage — Aint life grand?? /sarcasm off
Well, al_Marri isn’t a US citizen, unlike Padilla. So either George Bush hates al-Marri, or there is more to the story.
Cosmos,
Make you a deal. Instead of posting the IPCC lies on this open thread and kind of ruining it, I’ll post the lies on yesterday’s thread, each day. You can dodge the subject and post propaganda there too. That way we don’t irritate the other readers with the AGW lies and propaganda. Deal? I’ve already left some over there for you.
Reposted it on today’s thread for you brother.
Boxlock
Posted July 17, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
“Obama’s donation website accepts illegal foreign contributions”
http://directblue.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-donation-website-accepts-illegal.html
“Barack Obama’s electronic contribution site (https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/abroadHP — not hyperlinked for obvious reasons) accepts donations from countries like China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Somalia — although someone had the sense to remove North Korea from the list. The donor is only required to click a check-box, which attests they are legally allowed to contribute.
No other presidential candidate allows such an easy channel for illegal campaign contributions. For example, John McCain and Hillary Clinton do not accept donations from abroad without a complete, written documentation packet sent via postal mail.
It would seem to me that Obama’s form is in direct violation of federal law. I think we should demand an accounting of these foreign contributions and his campaign should follow precedent by requiring documentation of legal status for foreign donors.”
Cosmo,
Thankfully the baby birds died and I don’t have to travel to Ant. My frequent flyer miles are running low.
ANTI, reducing C02 one critter at a time.
Well, al_Marri isn’t a US citizen, unlike Padilla. So either George Bush hates al-Marri, or there is more to the story.
Indeed, there is. The man was charged in civilian court of some fairly mundane offenses alleged to be connected to terrorism (e.g. credit card fraud), but right before he was to go to trial, he was declared an “enemy combatant.”
It’s not about Bush hating him–it’s about the Bush regime accumulating power. People like al-Marri are merely pawns, a means of pushing the envelope.
That should be abundantly clear to anyone’s been awake the past 7 years.
“IPCC lies”
Oh, brother. :roll:
I think they’re also involved with the aliens, the freemasons and the Trilateral Commission.
Rage, you are more than welcome to respond on yesterday’s thread as well. The more the merrier.
A THANK YOU LETTER
My fellow Americans:
As your future President I want to thank my supporters for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor’s relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after eight years of claiming Bush’s youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
I would also like to thank the Kennedy’s for coming out in support of me. There’s a lot of glamor behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. And Teddy who was driving a car that killed a female employee. And I’m not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.
And I’d like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.
I say things that sound meaningful, but don’t really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.
Americans are tired of thinking. It’s time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember, don’t think, just do. And do it for me.
Thank You.
Barack Hussein Obama
“IF we were to start, say, August 1, when would be the first possible date for oil to flow South to be sent to refineries??”
One day sooner than if we started on August 2nd.
Sorry to be lazy, the original link is out there:
<i.”The McClatchy investigation found that top Bush Administration officials knew within months of opening the Guantánamo detention center that many prisoners weren’t ‘the worst of the worst.’ From the moment that Guantánamo opened in early 2002, former Secretary of the Army Thomas White said, it was obvious that at least one-third of the population didn’t belong there.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20080617/cm_ucru/oopsnation
Many of the Obama donations SPAM reports have been debunked by Snopes.com >>>>
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp
This was posted yesterday even….
B. Hussein Obama, the Hussein is for added “Change”
Hey littel man — have an original thought lately —- go play with your dogs and leave intelligent conversation to the adults you small minded moron …
can you get any smaller or insignificant ?
fleettwood
Posted July 17, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink
“IF we were to start, say, August 1, when would be the first possible date for oil to flow South to be sent to refineries??”
One day sooner than if we started on August 2nd.
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Why cant you at least make an attempt at answering a question, instead of just throwing in some totally irrelevant garbage??
The question is a serious one, you idiot!!
“intelligent conversation to the adults”
After my morning “deuce” I will be glad to speak with you Indie.
“The question is a serious one, you idiot!!”
My answer was too. Don’t shoot me.
No link, but oil companies stated that if they were allowed to drill off the Pacific coast, they could be delivering oil within a year.
J Sidney McCain, the Sidney is added for “more endless war”
LOOKOUT! HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN! HIS LAST NAME SOUNDS LIKE ‘OSAMA’!
THE SCARY BLACK MAN IS GOING TO GET YOU!
Pul–lease, cons, give it a rest. The pool of stupid people who that will convince is rather limited, and they won’t need any convincing–they already got the email, and their chance of voting for the man was pretty close to zero to begin with.
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“The congressional ban on offshore drilling expires September 30, so that becomes a key date. A new report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratorium were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium. They’re talking about 10 billion barrels worth off the coast of California.”
Also – “Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That’s the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime.
http://kudlow.nationalreview.com/pos…ZmNDVmMjA0ZWY=
Hank that was very enlightening. Maybe too enlightening for some. I am in the DC area this week and surprised at the John McCain signs I am seeing. Maybe the polls are starting to reflect the minds of those few Americans left.
Fleettwood = BDP!! LOL
No link, but oil companies stated that if they were allowed to drill off the Pacific coast, they could be delivering oil within a year.
So why aren’t they developing their existing leases?
THE SCARY BLACK MAN IS GOING TO GET YOU!
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Note: Replace BLACK with Muslim and email to a few million people……..(hits SEND)
That should have said ‘thinking’ Americans left.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm…………
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In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called “absolute poverty”
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Every year 15 million children die of hunger
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For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years
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Throughout the 1990’s more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!
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The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you’ve entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.
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One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture
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The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world’s hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy
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Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion – a majority of humanity – live on less than $1 per day, while the world’s 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world’s people. UNICEF
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3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.
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In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.
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In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.
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The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.
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One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
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Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.
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In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.
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Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide – a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death
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About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age
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To satisfy the world’s sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.
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The assets of the world’s three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.
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Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger
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http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm
SOL — Your 8:52 am post just further proves that there is no need for drilling in ANWR…. Just start the oil flowing off the Pacific coast, where platforms are already in place… Ahhhh…. but that would just be too damned easy, wouldnt it??
BIG Oil once again proves to be the culprit!!
ANTI
Posted July 17, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
THE SCARY BLACK MAN IS GOING TO GET YOU!
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Note: Replace BLACK with Muslim and email to a few million people……..(hits SEND)
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Anti leave out all references to his race and what do you see. The fact is that this letter reflects the true Obama. If you think about what is there, or in his case isn’t there.
It’s all about attitude..not experience. Who wants more of the same politics as usual? It’s time for some fresh insight…something the Republicans have yet to offer.
Besides, McCain is an old man who doesn’t have the stamina for the pressures of leading the country, he’s already shown signs that he can’t handle the stress.
So why aren’t they developing their existing leases?
The land is leased, but congress has a moratorium on producing. Some leases can only survey. Some can drill. None can produce.
My thought for the day:
You’re never to old to have a happy childhood.
“Besides, McCain is an old man who doesn’t have the stamina for the pressures of leading the country, he’s already shown signs that he can’t handle the stress.”
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So, the only reason to vote Obama is because the other choice is an old man? Left brain….or Brain Left?
LOL.ROLFLMAO.!!.?? (just for Chas, my buddy)
BIG Oil once again proves to be the culprit!!
The ignorant meme that has kept us from drilling.
As to the rest of your post, there is more oil on the Northern Slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia. Sounds like a pretty good reason to drill does it not?
Or do you feel more comfortable spewing the talking points of the day?
As to the rest of your post, there is more oil on the Northern Slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia. Sounds like a pretty good reason to drill does it not?
Or do you feel more comfortable spewing the talking points of the day?
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What would SquarePeg have to say about this, THAT is the question.
Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.
Maybe they should move to where the food is?
You meant douche right ? asshole
Indie
Posted July 17, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink
You meant douche right ? asshole
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Your post make for a good wipe.
HEEEHEEEHEEHEE HE HE!
“So, the only reason to vote Obama is because the other choice is an old man?”
No, that is just one of many reasons why I’m voting for Obama.
“No, that is just one of many reasons why I’m voting for Obama.”
Barack Hussein Obama also knows all the words to Kumbaya.
“SolDevVB” –
I’ll ask you what I asked “Boxlock:”
Are you a liar or merely a dupe?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp
Mary_Caruso
Posted July 17, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink
My thought for the day:
You’re never to old to have a happy childhood.
Yep – that’s what grandkids are for!
“Monkey”,
Follow the link. I never posted how much came from foreign investors. If you go to the link you will see how easy it is for foreign investors to contribute. The snopes link is in reference to an email. Don’t give a squirt about the email. The web page, however is troubling. Open your eyes.
SOL — The oil platforms are already in place off the Pacific Coast… There is NO equipment in Alaska… Not what it would take to drill the ANWR…. Fight against that moratorium of the Pacific Coast… THINK about the time it would take to set up drilling, and then how much TIME it would take to get the oil out of Alaska…
I have heard ten years for Alaska oil to reach refineries… I have heard ONE YEAR for the Pacific Coast platforms…
It aint rocket science, SOL…. Come up with some alternatives, or you are just a one trick pony!!
It aint rocket science
You got that right. Drill here. Drill now. Drill everydamnwhere. Why would you restrict oil drilling to Cali alone? That is just ignorant.
“I have heard ten years for Alaska oil to reach refineries…”
So what?
SOL — You know, I gotta tell ya, if you guys would worry as much about helping unemployed men and women find/create jobs HERE and NOW… and worry less about ANWR, and what your low and uninformed opinions are of Obama…. MAYbe we wouldnt need all of this constant bickering over who has the best peer reviewed this or that; or who has the best chance of oil production…
MAYbe if we put as much energy into developing wind turbine generators, and improvements in Solar, and geothermal…. MAYbe we would find that we are on the verge of creating entirely NEW sources for income, investments, jobs, and energy savings!!
Most days it is just an exercise in empty rhetoric!! How sad!!
Oh, “SolDevVB” –
You’re both a dupe and a liar.
Thanks for clearing that up.
“Snopes.com has a liberal political agenda”
from The Ripoff Report;
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/097/ripoff0097773.htm
“Although Snopes hasn’t any political philosophy explicitly stated on the website, snopes’ selectivity and analysis of political emails oozes with partisanship. Religious emails don’t fare much better and typically get a liberal hatchet job. In a nutshell, although snopes has to reluctantly admit that most of the conservative political and religious emails are “true” as far as snopes can determine, there is always a caveat, disclaimer, footnote, or lengthy oratory explaining why everything from crime statistics to reports from Iraq must be viewed and understood through snopes’ lens. Some examples and links follow:”
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/097/ripoff0097773.htm
Top Rankin’
Bob Marley
They don’t want to see us unite:
All they want us to do is keep on fussing and fighting.
They don’t want to see us live together:
All they want us to do is keep on killing one another.
Top rankin’, top rankin’:
Are you skankin’ (skankin’, skankin’)?
Are you skankin’ (skankin’, skankin’)?
Wo-ho, top rankin’ (top rankin’), ‘Ow, did you mean what you say now?
Are you – ‘ow are you (rankin’, rankin’) -
are ya – Lord, Lord, Lord! (skankin’, skankin’)?
They say the blood runs;
And it runs through our line,
And our hearts, heart of hearts divine, eh!
And John saw them comin’, ooh! – a-with the truth
From an ancient time.
The brotherly love (brotherly love), the sisterly love (sisterly love)
I feel this morning; I feel this morning:
Brotherly love (brotherly love), the sisterly love (sisterly love)
I feel this morning, this morning. Hey!
They don’t want us to unite:
All they want us to do is keep on fussing and fighting.
They don’t want to see us live together;
All they want us to do is keep on killing one another.
Top rankin’ (top rankin’)!
Did ya mean what you say now (top rankin’)?
Are you skankin’ (skankin’, skankin’)?
Are you skankin’ (skankin’, skankin’)?
Top rankin’ (top ranking),
Did you (top rankin’) mean what you say (top rankin’)?
Are you (rankin’, rankin)?
Are you (skankin’, skankin’)?
Top rankin’ (top rankin’);
Top rankin’ (top rankin’);
Are you (skankin’, skankin’)?
‘Ow are you (skankin’, skankin’)? /fadeout/
“As to the rest of your post, there is more oil on the Northern Slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia. Sounds like a pretty good reason to drill does it not? — Anti.
Not according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
Palin: Well it will impact, in a positive sense, the price of fuel eventually. We’ve got to start somewhere. Again, we’ve got domestic supplies sitting there underground. The reserves are ready to be tapped. And you know, nowhere more than Alaska – Alaskans – would be impacted by development in ANWR. And here in Alaska, our constituents, the people who live here, want it drilled. So that tells you that we have confidence in the safety and the responsibility that we’ll see there with the development of ANWR.
Remember too Larry, we’re talking about a sliver of the coastal plain of Alaska being explored and drilled for oil. It’s about a footprint of a 2000-acre plot of land. That’s smaller than the footprint of LAX, for instance. So it’s not so grandiose an acreage that it is out of the realm of possibility for others to start understanding why it is that we can do this safely. We can have a small footprint, and not adversely impact the land, the wildlife, that’s part of Alaska.
http://www.thenextright.com/goprebel/drill-drill-drill-larry-kudlows-interview-with-alaska-governor-sarah-palin
Seems she agrees. Seems the Alaskan people agree. Seems you have no leg to stand on.
SOL — Please to show ALL of us where ANYBODY said anything about RESTRICTING oil dilling to California??? It simply has NOT been said… Dont try to be an A$$…
From the Alaskan governor
“There’s trillions of cubic feet of natural gas, and billions of barrels of oil there too that need to be tapped.”
http://www.thenextright.com/goprebel/drill-drill-drill-larry-kudlows-interview-with-alaska-governor-sarah-palin
“Monkey”
Please post my “lie”
Go to this website: https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/abroadHP
If you don’t see the problem, you are too ignorant to understand.
“As to the rest of your post, there is more oil on the Northern Slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia. Sounds like a pretty good reason to drill does it not? — Anti.
Not according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
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That wasn’t me
Oh look there were reasons deepwater in Gulf has not been drilled until recently. Also note the dates drilling was started….
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/business/worldbusiness/08gulf.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin
The geology has been proven, the oil is present,” said Renato Bertani, the chief executive of the American unit of Petrobras, Brazil’s national oil company. His company plans to produce from Lower Tertiary discoveries in 2009.
“The result really encouraged us tremendously,” he said. “There is nevertheless some level of uncertainty.”
Part of the problem for deep exploration in the Gulf of Mexico is a thick layer of salt — 15,000 feet deep in some places — that extends unevenly under the Gulf’s waters. The salt acts like frosted glass when geologists try to see through it, blurring their view of untapped oil reserves thought to lie below.
A clear image of the subsea salt can make the difference between a successful discovery and a dry well.
“This is an industry that has to manage risk,” said Rocco Detomo Jr., a senior geophysicist at Shell. “And it’s much too risky and too expensive to look for oil the old-fashioned way.”
At BP’s sprawling campus in a Houston suburb, geologists take many years looking for oil before drilling a single well. They are counting on huge leaps in processing power from computer networks that allow scientists to make sense of the complex seismic data acquired by ships like the Neptune.
The more sophisticated data is necessary because drilling costs have soared in recent years and can now reach as much as $800,000 a day, or up to $100 million for a single well. Those costs raise the risks when, on average, only one in every three to five wells turns up oil.
Chevron, for example, expects to spend $3.5 billion on its Tahiti project, which should start production in 2008. BP invests more than $2 billion a year in the Gulf and devotes 40 percent of its global exploration budget here.
“When you’re living in that place where you’re constantly on the edge, occasionally you’re going to stub your toe,” Mr. Lang of BP said.
That recently happened at BP’s Thunder Horse, the world’s largest offshore platform, with a planned oil capacity of 250,000 barrels a day. The platform, dwarfing anything else in the Gulf, was supposed to start production last year, but ran into problems, including being left listing after Hurricane Dennis passed in 2005. The latest mishap involves replacing critical pieces of equipment at the bottom of the ocean, a lengthy process that will delay production until 2008.
Thunder Horse has been more than a decade in the making, according to Cindy A. Yeilding, the company’s chief geologist in Houston. Back in the early 1990s, Ms. Yeilding and other BP scientists used better technology, including the new three-dimensional seismic mapping, and more powerful computers to focus on big fields, which are referred to as “elephants” in the industry.
“We went on an elephant hunt,” she said. “To test a new play, we needed to find a huge accumulation of hydrocarbons and we needed a rig that could drill in 5,000 or 6,000 feet of water. It was a combination of geology and technology.”
From 1992 to 1997, the company acquired dozens of new leases from the government, spurred by a new royalty relief program that provided extra incentives to encourage deepwater exploration.
On the first day of 1999, the company finally began drilling a well in the Mississippi Canyon’s Block 778, a lease in the northeast region of the Gulf, about 125 miles from New Orleans. The drilling team, led by Ms. Yeilding, was confident it had found the giant field it was looking for but was nervous at the prospect of drilling through salt in deep waters.
“We were petrified,” Ms. Yeilding recalled. “We were so afraid of salt, we wanted to go around it.”
But the efforts paid off. On July 4 that year, the BP well reached its final depth of 29,000 feet, after having gone through 6,000 feet of water and 2,500 feet of salt. There, BP made the biggest discovery in the Gulf of Mexico. The field, holding one billion barrels of reserves, became known as Thunder Horse.
The wider hunt has been on ever since. On the Neptune’s deck, the repetitive beat of the air guns can barely be heard. But below the sea, the vibrations travel deep inside the earth’s crust. Then they bounce back and are picked up by streamers of densely packed electronic sensors, stretching four miles behind the ship.
Inside, working in cool temperature-controlled rooms, dozens of engineers control the ship’s position, collect the seismic data and begin forming a picture of the earth’s geological layers.
“The easy oil is running out because it has already been found,” said Ezio Plenizio, an Italian geophysicist aboard the Neptune, which belongs to the oil services company Schlumberger. “But 20 years ago, when I started in the business, people were already saying that oil is going to run out soon.
Chas,
As per your request, it was your post.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-717-2/#comment-385046
Naturally any Alaskan governor is going to be in favor of drilling in ANWR. You can’t get elected if you oppose drilling. Not even the Democratic candidates oppose drilling.
Dont try to be an A$$
I don’t even have to try anymore. It is second nature.
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
SOL — You know, I gotta tell ya, if you guys would worry as much about helping unemployed men and women find/create jobs HERE and NOW
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Yeah Wet Fart, everyone knows new oil field don’t creat new jobs! The rigs are robots…from the Chuck Norris Shadow Gov.
“Not even the Democratic candidates oppose drilling.”
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Really? Pelosi stands firm against offshore drilling.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/17/america/pelosi.php
Police officer shot, did Wichita PD fail to identify and report an illegal alien to ICE on the two previous arrests? Certainly they did, but was it just careless or is Wichita a sanctuary city?
“Aguilar had used the aliases Morales and Cruz when he was arrested in Wichita in the past. Police did not learn his real name until his mother told them, Landwehr said.”
Illegal alien with a gun and mental illness? Of course it was illegal for him to be in the country, to have the gun, and finally to shot a person. But for what ever reason, the system failed to send him to jail or to Mexico. How many more police officers will be shot and maybe killed by an illegal alien before laws are actually enforced.
It isn’t about jobs or even hunting down and expelling all the illegal Mexicans in Wichita [the whole country] but it is about actually following through with an identification when any person is contacted by the police as part of a criminal investigation.
Sol,
The monkey thinks we should just accept the online entry of an illegal contributer to Obama that they are not illegal without documentation of any kind.
Yeah, we’ll just ask them….and wink.
“Hey….thanks fellas”
Maggot,
You can’t get elected unless you follow the will of the people. So Alaskans want to drill for oil. Did you have a point?
SOL — I didnt say ANYTHING about restricting drilling to California… It just isnt there!! Get more coffee, or something… IT ISNT THERE, dude!!
Fight against that moratorium of the Pacific Coast… THINK about the time it would take to set up drilling, and then how much TIME it would take to get the oil out of Alaska…
HERE and NOW… and worry less about ANWR</i
SOL — Your 8:52 am post just further proves that there is no need for drilling in ANWR
Looks pretty clear to me chas, but feel free to twist away.
See, the antis won’t stop until women have no choice in anything. Sex is for procreation.
Women are suppose to be home raising the next brood.
SOL — You are proving to be an idiot, and it isnt even NOON YET!!! READ what you just posted that I said earlier….
FIGHT AGAINST THE CALI. MORATORIUM…. You know, that thing that is keeping Oil from being drilled off Cali. Coast??? FIGHT AGAINST THAT…. and you got oil being produced in a year….
Now, c’mon, I KNOW you can read that… without trying to spin it…. There isnt anything there to SPIN!!!
Sol, is there somewhere where you posted some purported “science” to support your view? You know, actual factual research from, ya know, scientists? Your black-helicopter bent invites skepticism, but a credible source would be, well, a credible source.
But I’m not sure you know what that is. Here’s a hint: if it comes from an industry or advocacy group–anyone with a political ax to grind–then it might not be entirely objective. I agree e.g., with some of the Cato Institute’s views, but their oil-industry funding and strictly poltical bent precludes them being taken seriously on issues such as oil drilling.
Incidently, that applies to advocacy groups of all stripes. I might regard a radical group like, say, Greenpeace to be correct on a particular issue (nothing in mind, just throwing out a name), but I won’t look to them for any expert insights.
And I find it particularly annoying when issues that could be resolved by examining the actual science persist because of people who insist on arguing in solely political terms.
I’m not going to waste my time on your blathering until I see some solid research. If you can claim to posted as much (ha), link back to it.
Political_mama
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
See, the antis won’t stop until women have no choice in anything. Sex is for procreation.
Women are suppose to be home raising the next brood.
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Your silly!
“Really? Pelosi stands firm against offshore drilling.”
I didn’t know she was an Alaskan citizen running for governor. Thanks for that brilliant insight.
Democrats Push Legislation Seeking to Blunt Coastal Drilling
Thursday, July 17, 2008
AP
SOL — Where in the HELL are you seeing anything I posted as being a restriction on drilling in California?? And stop stringing pieces of posts together to make a point that isnt there…. Show a little integrity…. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DRILLING OFF OF CALIFORNIA!! DAMN, YOU PEOPLE CAN BE SO FRIGGIN DENSE!!!
The ANTI’s want the mexicans to stop procreating and give us a go.
Sol, is there somewhere where you posted some purported “science” to support your view?
Which view would that be?
“Thanks for that brilliant insight.”
no problem maggotpuke, no problem.
look at the dates on these articles,
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2002/04/15/focus1.html
snip
By September 2001 more than 3,900 leases — 52 percent of the total active Gulf leases — were in areas that require deepwater drilling and development. Generally, water more than 1,000 feet deep is considered deepwater, and almost 3,000 of the active leases involve water over 3,000 feet deep.
The Federal Mineral Management Services has approved almost 13,000 applications to drill in deep water in the Gulf. Nearly 2,000 of those are approved for drilling in water deeper than 3,000 feet. Currently, 40 percent of more than 6,000 producing oil and gas wells in the Gulf are deepwater wells.
A really good read!
In Iraq, Mixed Feelings About Obama and His Troop Proposal
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/world/middleeast/17voices.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1216440000&en=c1a6170e5c96e341&ei=5087&oref=slogin
Sol, you’re positing the notion that drilling in Alaska and elsewhere is the solution to this mess.
I don’t buy it.
Bob Barr (not the cartoon elephant king) lays into John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) –
http://tinyurl.com/6eh9y3
So, I gather all the Libs on this blog want to continue to be held dependent to oil producing countries that do not hold U.S. interests in a good standing?
You do realize that alternative energies is going to take two to three decades to “start” to have an effect and even longer, perhaps two decades beyond the start phaze for it to have any productive value on the economy. Talking about 40-50 years for transition to be over.
By the time that happens, most here will be dead and gone and who knows what will change.
Utilize our own natural resources anyone?
Where in the HELL are you seeing anything I posted as being a restriction on drilling in California??
I didnt say ANYTHING about restricting drilling to California
Please to show ALL of us where ANYBODY said anything about RESTRICTING oil dilling to California???
Fight against that moratorium of the Pacific Coast… THINK about the time it would take to set up drilling, and then how much TIME it would take to get the oil out of Alaska…
HERE and NOW… and worry less about ANWR
SOL — Your 8:52 am post just further proves that there is no need for drilling in ANWR
Still looks pretty clear to me chas, but feel free to twist away.
The Energy Crisis
We can’t fist-bump our way out of this.
The above is a registered trade mark of ANTI. All rights reserved.
I don’t buy it.
Good for you. Thank you for sharing.
It isn’t the total answer, but it is a huge part of the answer.
What will happen first if we drill in Alaska and elsewhere? We will have lower gas prices or we will all have electric cars?
Kathie DeFelice, of Massachusetts, is charged with first-degree murder in the killing of her boyfriend, William Olsen Jr. DeFelice was the victim of a coerced abortion of a baby that her abusive boyfriend of 7 years, Mr. Olsen, did not want, likely providing the mother with another motivation for revenge.
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A 14-year-old Harris County, TX girl, charged with capital murder for stuffing her crying newborn son’s throat with toilet paper and drowning him in a high school toilet on April 2, was inexplicably released into the custody of her parents by District Judge Mike Schneider.
Some of the girl’s classmates heard the cries of her baby boy as she murdered him. I doubt that they want to see the girl back in high school.
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Jennifer Darlene Johnson, 30, of Alabama, was arrested by authorities and charged with manslaughter, after she came to Helen Keller Hospital in Sheffield Friday, and doctors realized that she took the life of her viable baby by cutting the umbilical cord before birth. The charge could be changed to murder.
What will happen first if we drill in Alaska and elsewhere? We will have lower gas prices or we will all have electric cars?
Huh?
The answer is neither.
Critical of ethanol?
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html
The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM’s annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM’s corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30
Huh?
The answer is neither.
We drill for more oil and we never get lower prices?
Thank you for playing rage.
Uh hmmm…is this thing on? I said,
The Energy Crisis
We can’t fist-bump our way out of this.
SOL — I am sorry dude… You must be totally brain dead… You claimed that I was for restricting drilling ONLY to California… You cant prove it, so you are throwing little pieces of what I have said, all together, to make it look like one post… Thats not just brain dead… It is DISHONEST as HELL!!
NOWHERE did I post that I was for restricting drilling ONLY to California…
And you still havent posted that I DID say such a stupid thing!! WHY are you doing this S*it???? Is it the water up there in Michigan?? Or What??
Thank you for playing rage.
Actually, you’re the one playing, Sol.
I’m not going to bother with such silliness anymore.
chas,
For your reading pleasure
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-717-2/#comment-385090
I’m not going to bother with such silliness anymore.
The smell of victory is too sweet.
SOL —-
My ORIGINAL posting was that its gonna take something like TEN YEARS to get oil out of ANWR… With the platforms that are already to go off the Pacific Coast, Why arent we trying to get RID of the moratorium of Pac. Coast drilling?? That would only take ONE year to get oil to refineries….
Now, where in that concept to you claim I am wanting to restrict drilling ONLY to Pacific Coast??? You have yet to show that… You think you can stay on point, or maybe the work load on .NET is a little heavy today??
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
SOL — I am sorry dude
BTW, thank you for apologizing for the first time in your blogging history.
The smell of victory is too sweet.
“Mission Accomplished!” :roll:
Why arent we trying to get RID of the moratorium of Pac. Coast drilling??
Bush is. He already lifted it. Congress is blocking.
Why are there restrictions for drilling anywhere in the US?
Rage
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
The smell of victory is too sweet.
“Mission Accomplished!”
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Yet another term totally bastardized by the progressive Libs and used for propaganda purposes.
The Politburo would be proud that progressive Libs are literally following in the footsteps of Communist style propaganda.
SolDevVB
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
chas,
For your reading pleasure
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-717-2/#comment-385090
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And just what the hell is that supposed to prove?? That you are a cut/paste phony?? Or what?? All you did was cut/paste from several things I said, that are exactly the opposite of what you are claiming I said… Geez, man, you are being intentionally DENSE today!!
Dont you get it??? I am agreeing with your sorry A$$ DAMN!!
I just think that if we drill in ANWR, gas will be maybe $20 by the time the oil gets here…. and who KNOWS what the Middle East will look like??
CAN YOU COMPREHEND THAT??? POSSIBLY???
Mission Accomplished
Thank you for acknowledging your defeat. I mean when you try to say that producing more American oil will not reduce the cost of gasoline, you really hung yourself out there.
Ah, what the Hell……………..
America has less than 2% of the world’s oil reserves yet we use 25% of the oil produced annually. Simple math………….
The Republican governors of California and Florida are opposed to drilling off the coasts of their respective states.
The amount of oil in ANWR is minuscule, and would only cover approximately six months of usage at our current rate of consumption. Simply modifying our driving habits would save more than ANWR can produce.
Hey Rage, aint it great?? One week they call us socialists… Now they call us communists… That just proves they have no clue what they are mumbling about!! ROFL!!
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink
Hey Rage, aint it great?? One week they call us socialists… Now they call us communists… That just proves they have no clue what they are mumbling about!! ROFL!!
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No, you and other progressive Libs have no idea what you actually look like to other people.
Kookish, Klannish and Kreepily Kommunistic in all facets of your political ideology.
Chas, try to calm down. I don’t want you to stroke out or wear down the ?, !, and cap lock keys on your keyboard.
Donk, DDS
“Gee, I’m so glad our heroic Democratic leaders gave these guys the legal right to spy on unspecified communications systems without probable cause.”
Well hell, the Democrats will do what they always do, and what they do best.
Write a STRONGLY worded letter to someone expressing their displeasure.
I bet they are licking the tips of their pencils to scorch Rove and Mukasey right now….
These bastards would drill straight down the gut of Old Faithful if they could make a buck.
“stroke out”
He HE HEHEHE!!
SolDevVB
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
SOL — I am sorry dude
BTW, thank you for apologizing for the first time in your blogging history.
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You know SOL, it is posts like this that give the CONS(thats YOU) a bad friggin reputation…. Why dont you post the WHOLE THING… instead a half a sentence?? Hmmmmm????
BTW, that is NOT an apology, as can clearly be seen at the original post… Just need to keep that straight… You are being a total A$$ today… even worse than some days!!
Just to keep things straight here… This is the original post from which Sol takes a half of a sentence… And tries to SPIN it… LOL >>>>
“SOL — I am sorry dude… You must be totally brain dead… You claimed that I was for restricting drilling ONLY to California… You cant prove it, so you are throwing little pieces of what I have said, all together, to make it look like one post… Thats not just brain dead… It is DISHONEST as HELL!!”
And there is no shortage of oil.
Unlike the Oil Embargo of the 70s, there are no mile-long lines at gas stations, no “Out of Gas” signs, no even/odd day rationing…
If you’ve got four or five or six or seven or however many dollars per gallon, you can fill up your Hummer.
$150/bbl crude is not the product of supply and demand. That law is no longer being obeyed in the energy business. It’s been superseded by an oppressive cartel.
Write a STRONGLY worded letter to someone expressing their displeasure.
Not just that: they’ll use a boldface font too, KFG!
Isn’t it amazing that the same people who once claimed the u.s. was awash in oil, but oil companies capped the wells to wait for a better price, are the same as those who now claim ANWAR holds more oil than Saudia Arabia?
Sol, Chas clearly did not say he was sorry. But if he were to say that it would look something like this:
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
SOL — I am sorry dude
But he didn’t say that….at 10:53 am…..July 17th…
Well, James, at least we look like SOMEthing… As for you guys, I’m not so sure you look like ANYthing definitive!! ROFL!!
Sol, Chas clearly did not say he was sorry. But if he were to say that it would look something like this:
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
SOL — I am sorry dude
But he didn’t say that….at 10:53 am…..July 17th…
Sol, some food for thought:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22oil+drilling%22+damage+(health+OR+ecosystem+OR+crops)&btnG=Search
I was thinking about your posts the other day, Regular.
It was when I was cleaning up after my dog.
Anyway, you know how you’re always going on and on about how bad “socialistic” countries like Germany are, and you “know” this because you were stationed there for a couple of years?
I dawned on me as a scooped another dropping into the bucket that you probably had the best time of your life in Germany and you’d go back in a heartbeat if you could afford it.
Don’t try to deny it.
The Dems side dumb ass or better yet, evil piece of sh.it, Obama, calls for “Civilian National Security Force”. Fu.ck.ing Hitler Youth. And some of you people just love all over him.
I was thinking about your posts the other day, Regular.
It was when I was cleaning up after my dog.
Anyway, you know how you’re always going on and on about how bad “socialistic” countries like Germany are, and you “know” this because you were stationed there for a couple of years?
I dawned on me as a scooped another dropping into the bucket that you probably had the best time of your life in Germany and you’d go back in a heartbeat if you could afford it.
Don’t try to deny it.
It’s been superseded by an oppressive cartel.
All the more reason to drill here.
ANTI — Keep it up… Everybody here knows you are totally worthless, and one of the biggest LIARS on the Blog… Even a Liberal can go to the original post, and see very clearly that no apology was made…. It was a freakin PUTDOWN…. you stupid A$$!!
What a bitch you are ANTI!!
Turnout Low on First Day of Handgun Registration
“In the first hours of the first day that it was legally possible to register handguns in the nation’s capital, only one person showed up to do so–and he was turned away because he didn’t bring his weapon with him.
Heller’s attorney, Dane von Breichenruchardt, said Heller owns at least two handguns — a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol and a 9-shot, .22-caliber revolver — and has stored them for years with a friend in Maryland. Although officials said that gun owners in Heller’s situation can bring legally owned firearms from other jurisdictions into the District in order to register them, the attorney said he had told Heller not to do so without written assurance that it was permissible.
A few people went through the entrance marked “gun registry applicants” to pick up written information on how to legally own a gun in the city. But by 9:30, no one had no one brought an actual weapon, or — except for Heller — asked to register one.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071700621.html
Pleefer — Might I give you food for thought, before you go and play Godwin’s Law any further into points irretreivable….
You go to Dillons… Dillons has a Security Force… They are NOT police… That means they are a “civilian” security force…
A “National Civilian Security Force” would be ssecurity people who are NOT MILITARY!!
Nice try… thanks for playing!!
you stupid A$$!!
What a bitch you are ANTI!!
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The honorable Rev-er-end Chas folks…
One more Pleefer… since Dillons is local…
Go to the airport… There are security personnel… TSA folks…. They are a NATIONWIDE Security force… They are NOT military… They are CIVILIAN…
And get this — They are not F’n Hitler Youth Corps, either!!
As I said… nice try… wanna try again??
Bottom line… There are already several different kinds of Civilian Security Forces nationwide… Why should Obama’s concept trouble you??
pbbbbbbttttttttt…..spttttdt….jog on, Chas!
Now, here’s something for every American to feel really proud about! /sarcasm
US slips down development index
“The report combines measurements of health, education and income into one measurement – the human development index.
The report found that the US ranked 42nd in the world for life expectancy despite spending more on health care per person than any other country.
Overall, the American Human Development Report ranked the world’s richest country 12th for human development.”
Among other findings:
* Of the world’s richest nations, the US has the most children (15%) living in poverty
* Of the OECD nations, the US has the most people in prison – as a percentage and in absolute numbers
* 25% of 15-year-old students performed at or below the lowest level in an international maths test – worse than Canada, France, Germany and Japan
* If the US infant mortality rate were equal to first-ranked Sweden, more than 20,000 babies would survive beyond their first year of life
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7511426.stm
thanks for playing
Blatant thievery.
HLP wrote yesterday:
“Now, here’s what I want you to do. Take a deep breath. Hell, take another one. Relax. If you have a happy place, go there now.”
Hank, dude, I just got back from 10 days in The Bahamas.
It’s true that unlike you I have a real job to come back to, but don’t tell me about “relaxed.”
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
ANTI — Keep it up… Everybody here knows you are totally worthless
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Wow, that hurts my feeling Chas. Does this mean we are not friends?? tear…
Capn’, you are a sumbitch. I just spent three days remodeling a bathroom from floor to ceiling and you were in the Bahamas.
I bet you went fishing, too, a paid a visit to Margaritaville.
Damn.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
I was thinking about your posts the other day, Regular.
It was when I was cleaning up after my dog.
Anyway, you know how you’re always going on and on about how bad “socialistic” countries like Germany are, and you “know” this because you were stationed there for a couple of years?
I dawned on me as a scooped another dropping into the bucket that you probably had the best time of your life in Germany and you’d go back in a heartbeat if you could afford it.
Don’t try to deny it.
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Actually, I would visit Germany, but wouldn’t want to live there.
It’s too crowded. The Autobahn traffic is bumper to bumper at insane speeds. They tax everything and I mean everything. The German people, although nice, are highly prejudicial and extremely opinionated.
There are too many ‘thought’ police in Germany, where one can be sued for gesture, insinuation and even suggestion.
I disagree with their immoral aspect of making prostitution legal. Having a “whore bar” on every other street doesn’t appeal to me.
And, I don’t particularly care for soccer, their national sport, which every German male is absolutely and completely obsessed with.
As far as thinking about me when you were cleaning up after your dog, it says more about your thought processes than it does me.
No, I would not want to live in Germany as a citizen, it is too European.
How’d those ribs turn out?
lindainks55
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
Now, here’s something for every American to feel really proud about! /sarcasm
US slips down development index
“The report combines measurements of health, education and income into one measurement – the human development index.
The report found that the US ranked 42nd in the world for life expectancy despite spending more on health care per person than any other country.
Overall, the American Human Development Report ranked the world’s richest country 12th for human development.”
Among other findings:
* Of the world’s richest nations, the US has the most children (15%) living in poverty
* Of the OECD nations, the US has the most people in prison – as a percentage and in absolute numbers
* 25% of 15-year-old students performed at or below the lowest level in an international maths test – worse than Canada, France, Germany and Japan
* If the US infant mortality rate were equal to first-ranked Sweden, more than 20,000 babies would survive beyond their first year of life
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My advice:
Move to those countries that you say have a better lifestyle and stop your whining.
ANTI you are worse than worthless!! Hope that makes you feel even worse, Bitch!!
Regular, I’m much more of a work to make improvements type person than run from challenges type. I posted a link to a study. I do happen to agree the results of that study don’t show much for Americans to feel good or proud about. But therein lies the challenge. We’ll start January 20, 2009 to make improvements!
Bahama Mama and Goombay Smash are two rum drinks invented in The Bahamas.
Nice summertime sipping . . .
The fishing report wasn’t so good: too windy to really fish the reef in the ocean, can’t anchor easily and the bait won’t stay on the bottom. Got a lot of little grunts and porgies fishing rocks and holes in sheltered bays.
I did have some luck catching mutton snappers surf fishing, hehehe.
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lindainks55
Posted July 17, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
Regular, I’m much more of a work to make improvements type person than run from challenges type. I posted a link to a study. I do happen to agree the results of that study don’t show much for Americans to feel good or proud about. But therein lies the challenge. We’ll start January 20, 2009 to make improvements!
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Trust me, you don’t want a socialized country like Germany or England. I lived in Europe for eight years and you would not be happy there or here if it changed into that form of government.
“How’d those ribs turn out?”
Absolutely wonderful – one of my best efforts ever – no leftovers.
Ha!
What kind of wood did you use? Dry rub?
Amen, Linda.
Our long national nightmare begins to end on Jan. 20, 2008.
Good Lord, who could have ever imagined that the man who stole the election in 2000 could still be our pResident today?
Worst.
President.
Ever.
Just getting rid of the current idiot in charge will be a an improvement. Even if McCain is elected we will have improvements. He has proven to be quite malleable. So, I say again we will begin to make improvements January 20, 2009!
I’m not in the least worried about becoming more like European countries if that means we improve health care availability and affordability, if life is better for Americans. Fear isn’t a motivator for me, I spend little time thinking about it other to wonder why so many seem so afraid.
“What kind of wood did you use? Dry rub?”
Hickory chunks, fired by a little Kingsford, lemon juice, water and spice marinate, dry rub with a blend of garlic powder, chile powder, cayenne, black pepper, ground mustard and nutmeg, ultra low temps (hard to do when it’s ninety) and bunches of smoke.
You wouldn’t like to live in a “socialist” country, Linda.
The next thing you know, you might be drawing all your income from gov’t pensions like Regular does.
Osama Obama top two financial contributors to his campaign are:
(1) Trial Lawyers
(2) Wall Street
So, it appears that the socialist agenda of Osama Obama campaign is smoke and mirrors as the very Liberal Senator from Illinois wishes to keep capitalism alive and well along with a free marketplace in its current form without transferring wealth to the government.
Sounds pretty good. Still too chicken to try it myself. Question, I am assuming that at severl points the coal burns out. What do you do then?
As well funded as the military? What will they do with all that money? Huh? Smart-body? We’ll have a bunch of dumb sloths, each carrying petty powertrips with government backing. You simple-minded do gooder’s bitch about each other’s sides. Failing to realize that they want the same goal. Neighbor vs. neighbor.
Thanks for playing? Is this some stupid game? This is, what you unfortunately can’t face, reality. You can put lipstick all over this, but it changes nothing about the features of the pig.
Read, educate yourself.
Please, don’t get snide with me, I can easily and readily destroy you with facts. But maybe that is exactly what you need, because I think you actually do care about things. Just think “outside the box” once in a while.
Chas,
It’s estimated to take 7 to 12 years after the Arctic Refuge was opened for the first trickle of oil to possibly flow — assuming no delays caused by lawsuits, oil companies boycotted, etc.
A graph of 2 hypothetical production schedules, 50% chance assuming 10.3 billion bbls, ignoring costs (zero point ~ 7 to 12 years AFTER being opened)
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/arctic_national_wildlife_refuge/html/figure4.html
The geology is unknown — the Badami field is about 1/2 way between Prudhoe and the western edge of the Refuge, and didn’t produce as expected.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
Hmmmm…. who do we know here who bitches about fiat currency, the federal reserve, etc?
This is scary. And what should scare you more is that I know guys like this right here in my county. I’ve sat in the federal courtroom in Wichita and listened to them give this “flesh and blood” defense. It’s more crazy than you think. Just like the poster who hints at this posse stuff.
It’s a long and complicated read. Some of you may not have the patience for it. But my blood ran cold when I read it all the way through. It’s here, now, in river city.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0805.carey.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens01032008.html
snip
The Free Market Myth Dissolves into Chaos
By PAM MARTENS
With each new revelation of multi-billion dollar losses from the largest Wall Street firms, there has been this nagging question as to how these Masters of the Universe got stuck with these massive write-downs. Isn’t Wall Street supposed to execute trades for others; not build huge inventories of toxic, non-trading securities for themselves?
Given that these big Wall Street players now own some of our largest, taxpayer insured, depositor banks (courtesy of a legislative gift from Congress called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) and the Federal Reserve is shoveling tens of billions of our dollars into some very big black holes, common sense might suggest that Congress would be holding public hearings. These hearings might shed light on how Wall Street has, under the cloak of darkness, mutated from a trading venue to manufacturing and warehousing exotic concoctions registered offshore.
So far, Congress has shown only cursory interest in the details.
SolDevVB,
You link to the IPCC revisions is broken.
Please use this link to provide the location (chapter #, 1st or 2nd draft, etc) of the revisions.
http://hcl.harvard.edu/collections/ipcc/
And since you claim that that they are “lies”, prove that it was intentional and not just an error.
SolDevVB,
I already answered your question yesterday. Look at the 1000 year graph.
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“Take a look at the chart Ben posted. Look at the far right. You will see that CO2 has markedly increased, right in the middle of a temperature decrease. Explain?”
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Temperatures “today” cannot be shown properly on a small graph covering 350,000 years.
This graph with the last 1000 years shows it better.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
Temperatures are not decreasing, except for short-term fluctuations caused by volcanoes, ENSO, etc.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
Aerosols from burning fossil-fuels, and volcanos caused cooling during the 1940 – 1970’s.
CO2 levels are still rising,
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
Recent CO2 data,
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
ANTI you are worse than worthless!! Hope that makes you feel even worse, Bitch!!
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More enlightening words from the cartoon bah-foon spiritual guide, the honorable Rev-er-end Chas.
Well Cosmo, how’s next years crop of baby birds looking down south?
“Given that these big Wall Street players now own some of our largest, taxpayer insured, depositor banks (courtesy of a legislative gift from Congress called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) and the Federal Reserve is shoveling tens of billions of our dollars into some very big black holes, common sense might suggest that Congress would be holding public hearings.”
Uh oh. I sense more STRONGLY worded letters. In boldface type.
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheheheheh!
Caution, democrats at work.
worse than worthless
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Is that even possible?
Won’t do it on this thread cosmos. Response to your OP is here
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-716-2/#comment-385199
Please Chas, tell me why you are so angry. Just open up and let it roll out like circus freaks. I’m here for ya buddy.
The IPCC is like any other U.N. program. It is screwed up, filled with half-baked ideas and heavily influenced by the ‘money grabbers’ from teh World Bank fund.
How many IPCC remembers actually represent the United States government?
The answer is zero of course.
The IPCC is a U.N. function, not a part of the U.S. government and has zero say in U.S. policies.
The IPCC is a panel as it’s title indicates and is in advisory capacity. When they try to force change through perhaps illegal blackmailing techniques on companies and even government, then they need to be euthanized or die on the vine by withdrawing funding.
Regular: Lets see, if you point out the good in others, or what seems to work well elsewhere, you are supposed to leave your own home because of admiration for the results? Are socialist countries allowed to have stock markets, venture capital, representative but less corrupt governance, strong unions and good economies? ‘Cause they seem to. Why is it whenever a comparison is made that shows the US has some catching up to do, people like you condemn the poster to exile? Haven’t you figured out yet that America IS the Emperor with no clothes. It’s not a fairy tale anymore. PS: Ever heard of Nevada and the whore bars there or in just about every big city? In Europe they pay taxes, here they pay graft.
“Question, I am assuming that at severl points the coal burns out. What do you do then?”
I check on the coals every half hour or so, using a water spray bottle to keep the heat down and the smoke up. When the coals begin dying down, I toss a few dry wood chunks on the bed. I use wood chunks as a heat source and for flavor.
I do most of my smoking these days with an upright smoker, known as an R2D2. I only use the big, horizontal smoker for large, 25# and larger, quantities of meat.
I use the second grill rack and place a pound or so of wet chips above the fire. The wet chips add some sweetness to the smoke.
I only use charcoal to get the process started, the rest of the cooking is done with just wood chunks.
Aahhight. Thanx WS
SolDevVB posted July 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-716-2/#comment-385199
“Kinda funny that the link doesn’t work today. Hmmm… Worked fine all day long yesterday.
It was broken yesterday afternoon, when I tried to find the revisions you posted.
“Your link doesn’t provide the comments, or I couldn’t find the comments listed.
“The proof of the lies is in my previous posts. The lies were spotted by “Joe Shmoe” and corrected.
No, the proof of the revisions is at the revision link.
“You had access to the links yesterday. You had access to the chapter, page, and line.
You did not specify “chapter, page, and line” — or whether 1st or 2nd draft.
“Guess you’ll have to wait for the link to come back up.”
No. . . you have to find the chapter, page, line, and draft at http://hcl.harvard.edu/collections/ipcc/
‘The baby Antarctic penguins being frozen to death by freak rain storms’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1034590/The-baby-Antarctic-penguins-frozen-death-freak-rain-storms.html
“Tens of thousands of newly-born penguins are freezing to death as Antarctica is lashed by freak rain storms.
Scientists believe the numbers of Adelie penguins may have fallen by as much as 80 per cent – and, if the downpours continue, the species will be extinct within ten years.”
Photos at link.
“Tens of thousands of newly-born penguins are freezing to death as Antarctica is lashed by freak rain storms.”
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Makes me happy I know how to build a house.
cosmos,
You seemed determined to continue the IPPC garbage on this thread. It seems as though you and the IPCC have a problem with reality.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-716-2/#comment-385217
KFG,
You aren’t suggesting that any and all who bitch about fiat currency are rascist are you? I mean that was a long article so I’m not sure what you were implying. Just asking.
No. . . you have to find the chapter, page, line, and draft at
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
huuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
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So you can’t find those? Why not?
Good afternoon, Capn.,
“It’s true that unlike you I have a real job to come back to, but don’t tell me about “relaxed.””
And what, is so different about your job?
Bahamas? Not my favorite place. We have a little place on Bequia we go to.
So you can’t find those? Why not?
You had access yesterday just like I did.
Actually, I would visit Germany, but wouldn’t want to live there.
It’s too crowded. The Autobahn traffic is bumper to bumper at insane speeds. They tax everything and I mean everything. The German people, although nice, are highly prejudicial and extremely opinionated.
I ask in all seriousness, don’t you think that in terms of the latter, you’d fit right in
There are too many ‘thought’ police in Germany, where one can be sued for gesture, insinuation and even suggestion.
I think you might have trouble here – it is against the law to deny the holocaust – don’t know if that extends to global warming, yet.
I disagree with their immoral aspect of making prostitution legal. Having a “whore bar” on every other street doesn’t appeal to me.
Surely, you’re not really this Victorian.
And, I don’t particularly care for soccer, their national sport, which every German male is absolutely and completely obsessed with.
I agree this alone would be a reason to stay away from there.
As far as thinking about me when you were cleaning up after your dog, it says more about your thought processes than it does me.
No, I would not want to live in Germany as a citizen, it is too European.
You have access today.
http://hcl.harvard.edu/collections/ipcc/
I see that facts confuse you just as they confuse the IPCC. Your link does not display the comments of the reviewers.
If it does, please provide a better link. Working group one, draft one comments.
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StevenEDavis
Posted July 17, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
I ask in all seriousness, don’t you think that in terms of the latter, you’d fit right in
I think you might have trouble here – it is against the law to deny the holocaust – don’t know if that extends to global warming, yet.
Surely, you’re not really this Victorian.
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Being virtuous about something as vile as prostitution is not Victorian, it’s about respect for women and detesting a profession that is based lust and money.
Actually, I have found the progressive Liberals on this blog to the most prejudiced and racists of any people I’ve ever run across. To assign others with a moniker of being racists is a tactic used by Liberals to try and shut down a conversation. To even use this tactic implies a leaning towards being racist themselves.
I’ve never denied the holocaust and actually been to a couple of the camps. It is frightening that humans could do that to other humans.
Comparing AGW to the holocaust is pathetic and ludicrous. It’s not on the same scale of inhumanity.
AGW is about an agenda by self-serving bureacrats seeking power through the socialization of economies.
The latest G8 conference should serve as a wake up call to the alarmists. No one is buying their line of crap anymore.
Sigh. . .Sol, has it occurred to you that even if we get significantly more oil flowing we could still have the same high prices?
I can pull facts out of my ass, too, so what the hell: Why not? I have a tactical advantage: I’m old enough to vaguely remember when oil was less than ¢30/gal at the pump.
Gas stations even had price wars back then, sometimes dropping to as low as ¢18/gal. Gas was cheap and plentiful, and nothing could possibly go wrong!
The OPEC oil embargo of 1973 put an instant end to that delusion, and things have never been the same since.
I started driving in the late 70s, during that energy crisis, and it was rumored that gas would hit a dollar a gallon by the end of the summer (it did).
But you know somethin’?: Aside from some small variations in the price (approximately 10 cents either way), in that wole 35+ year period, I can’t recall any time the price has ever gone down.
Do you have information to the contrary?
Gas prices were fine two years ago.
Let’s see, what happened in 2006?
Oh yeah, the Democrats took control of Congress.
You know, that body of government which holds the power of the purse and is responsible for commerce.
It appears that the 9 percent approval rating for the Democratic Congress is deserved.
Oil Prices Fall as President Clinton Releases Barrels from Strategic Reserve
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200009/ai_n22483271
BUDAPEST, Hungary — Crude oil prices dropped more than $1 a barrel and gasoline futures fell sharply Friday as key allies agreed to release supplies from their stockpiles to help offset U.S. shortages.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2005-09-02-oil-gas-daily_x.htm
US light crude hit a high of $70.65 a barrel on Wednesday before dropping back to $68.94, down 87 cents in response to the news.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4199584.stm
And how much were you paying at the pump?
“Oh yeah, the Democrats took control of Congress.”
Well, genius (you claim an IQ of 161,) explain to us what the Democrats did in the last 18 months that caused oil prices to spike as they have.
Being the genius that you are, this should be easy, but please be specific.
explain to us what the Democrats did in the last 18 months that caused oil prices to spike as they have.
Threaten to attack Iran? Give Israel the ‘amber light’?
Oh wait, that was….
SolDevVB posted July 17, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink
I see that facts confuse you just as they confuse the IPCC. Your link does not display the comments of the reviewers.
If it does, please provide a better link. Working group one, draft one comments.
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Do you need instructions. . .?
Click on the link I gave you at 1:24 pm and again at 2:03 pm.
http://hcl.harvard.edu/collections/ipcc/
Click on “Browse the Collection”, or scroll down the page.
Click on the desired draft/chapter, such as,
“Comments on the First-Order Draft Chapter 1″
Click on the arrow keys to navigate thru the pages.
Gas prices in January 2006 were $2.26/gallon.
“Let’s see, what happened in 2006?
Oh yeah, the Democrats took control of Congress.”
or
http://www.oilmarketer.co.uk/2007/02/13/north-sea-oil-gas-production-projected-to-decline/
Production from the North Sea fields was down 9 percent in 2006 to 2.9 million barrels equivalent per day, well below the 4.5 million barrels equivalent per day peak in 1999. By 2010 production is expected to be down to 2.6 million barrels equivalent per day.
Being the genius that you are, this should be easy, but please be specific.
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annie_moose
Posted July 17, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
“Let’s see, what happened in 2006?
Oh yeah, the Democrats took control of Congress.”
or
http://www.oilmarketer.co.uk/2007/02/13/north-sea-oil-gas-production-projected-to-decline/
Production from the North Sea fields was down 9 percent in 2006 to 2.9 million barrels equivalent per day, well below the 4.5 million barrels equivalent per day peak in 1999. By 2010 production is expected to be down to 2.6 million barrels equivalent per day.
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So what to do when production goes down?
Use the leadership and power of the United States Congress to release access to productive oil fields.
Or, one can sit on their thumbs and watch the price of oil go up.
Which is exactly what the Democratic Congress has done by not showing leadership or even that they cared that the price of oil has almost doubled in less than two years.
cosmos
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-716-2/#comment-385282
So………………………………………
Being the genius that you are, this should be easy, but please be specific.
Also, if you would, tell us, genius, what the Republican president and the Republican Congress did between 2001 and 2007 to prevent oil prices from rising.
Again, please be specific.
Whenever you decide to behave maturely Clark, perhaps someone will indulge you in discussion.
Until then, get lonely.
Also, if you would, tell us, genius, what the Republican president and the Republican Congress did between 2001 and 2007 to prevent oil prices from rising.
Yeah, as I recall Bushie didn’t veto a single bill during that period. Wasn’t there any planning for our energy future? I know, the Repubs only had twelve years to pull it off.
Well?
ANTI
Posted July 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
worse than worthless
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Is that even possible?
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In YOUR case… Ummmm…. YEP!!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“AGW is about an agenda by self-serving bureacrats seeking power through the socialization of economies.”
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‘Regular’, we’re still waiting for your proof of the huge global conspiracy that FALSIFIED CO2 measurements.
And did you find the links to Clark’s and Patterson’s (non-existent) peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW yet? LOL!!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
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Rage
Posted July 17, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
Also, if you would, tell us, genius, what the Republican president and the Republican Congress did between 2001 and 2007 to prevent oil prices from rising.
Yeah, as I recall Bushie didn’t veto a single bill during that period. Wasn’t there any planning for our energy future? I know, the Repubs only had twelve years to pull it off.
Well?
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This is the first time in history (2006-2008) that I remember that the price of gas at the pump has almost doubled in less than a two year period.
At the very least in proportional comparison to what the national minimum wage.
The Democratic Congress do something about it or sit on their thumbs.
Evidently, the Congress wants the higher prices to continue as they are attempting to block President Bush’s releasing of the Gulf to oil exploration and drilling.
KFG — You hit the nail on the head upthread, when you mentioned the “posse” mentality.. And you are RIGHT… This is VERY Scary stuff!!
I am almost at a point of posting, straight forward, what it is that these people are REALLY saying, without actually “Saying” it… I have heard it at some of their meetings…. And it sends CHILLS… just to think about it…
It seems like nobody else is willing to just spit it out, and call these wingnuts what they are…. But if I dont quit seeing their garbage here day after day after day, I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either…
“Whenever you decide to behave maturely Clark, perhaps someone will indulge you in discussion”
Ah, maturely like requesting a meeting with the Editors because YOU are treated so poorly?
Or YOUR habit of slurring other posters?
Or maturely like your constant attacks on Cosmos because he isn’t a scientist, despite the fact that YOU are not a scientist?
What maturity are you talking about, McCluer?
YOUR lies about your service in ‘Nam, your son, your wife, Mississippi or JM?
How much maturity does it take to lie as you do?
Eh?
“what the Republican president and the Republican Congress did between 2001 and 2007 to prevent oil prices from rising.”
ooh ooh ooh pick me pick me, they started a war in a country with the 2nd largest known reserve of oil destabilizing the world oil market!!!!!! ooh that’s not right da#n it.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“AGW is about an agenda by self-serving bureacrats seeking power through the socialization of economies.”
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‘Regular’, we’re still waiting for your proof of the huge global conspiracy that FALSIFIED CO2 measurements.
And did you find the links to Clark’s and Patterson’s (non-existent) peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW yet? LOL!!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
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One doesn’t need Peer Review papers to dispute politically driven science.
IPCC styled science of the GORACLE worshipers ceased to exist as a viable, credible science in 1998.
Chas, quit pulling your knob. Put up or shut up.
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annie_moose
Posted July 17, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink
“what the Republican president and the Republican Congress did between 2001 and 2007 to prevent oil prices from rising.”
ooh ooh ooh pick me pick me, they started a war in a country with the 2nd largest known reserve of oil destabilizing the world oil market!!!!!! ooh that’s not right da#n it.
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The price of oil remained stable until 2006, which is the same year the Democrats took control of Congress.
Stop whining Clark, go do your drugs.
Well, genius (you claim an IQ of 161,) explain to us what the Democrats did in the last 18 months that caused oil prices to spike as they have.
“Stop whining Clark, go do your drugs.”
That’s funny, McCluer, now TRY to answer the question!
The price of oil remained stable until 2006, which is the same year the Democrats took control of Congress.
. . .which brings us back to Clark’s very simple question:
What did the Republican Congress do from 2001-2006 that the Democratic Congress didn’t do?
GO SUCK AN EGG, ANTI… one of those penguin eggs, preferrable… in the Antarctic… FAR away!!
. . .or, alternately, what did the Republican Congress not do from 2001-2006 that the Democratic Congress did?
But if I dont quit seeing their garbage here day after day after day, I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either…
Why wait? fire away.
http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1970.gif
I do believe this is a graph of oil prices look what happens around 9/11/2001
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Rage
Posted July 17, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
The price of oil remained stable until 2006, which is the same year the Democrats took control of Congress.
. . .which brings us back to Clark’s very simple question:
What did the Republican Congress do from 2001-2006 that the Democratic Congress didn’t do?
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When the production of oil went down, the Democratic Congress should have taken action, they haven’t.
The interruption of oil production hadn’t made a difference in the preceding years, because agreements were made with other oil producing countries to keep and increase production.
Inaction by the Democratic Congress is inexcusable. They have the power to control commerce, trade and have the power of the purse.
They are lackluster and impotent and deserving of their 9 percent approval rating or should I say 91 percent disapproval rating.
This is a re-post for ALL of you right wing disruptors… You know who you are….
You know, I gotta tell ya, if you guys would worry as much about helping unemployed men and women find/create jobs HERE and NOW… and worry less about ANWR, and what your low and uninformed opinions are of Obama…. MAYbe we wouldnt need all of this constant bickering over who has the best peer reviewed this or that; or who has the best chance of oil production…
MAYbe if we put as much energy into developing wind turbine generators, and improvements in Solar, and geothermal…. MAYbe we would find that we are on the verge of creating entirely NEW sources for income, investments, jobs, and energy savings!!
Most days it is just an exercise in empty rhetoric!! How sad!!
Yeah but I still want to know about
<iBut if I dont quit seeing their garbage here day after day after day, I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either…
T. Boone Pickens is soliciting now Chas. Go sign up as a windmill boy.
“When the production of oil went down, the Democratic Congress should have taken action, they haven’t.”
What “action” should they have taken – force the oil companies to drill on the 69 million acres under permit? Force Chavez to drill more? Offer to do more than just hold hands with the Saudi Princes?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Thank you for again admitting that you don’t have any proof for your ridiculous claim of a global CO2 measurement conspiracy.
And again admitting that there isn’t any credible peer-reviewed science that refutes AGW.
LOL!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
Inaction by the Democratic Congress is inexcusable.
In other words, they failed to take action to fix the mess that the Republican Congress didn’t see coming. Or are you really claiming, with a straight face, that it would have possible via legislation written and passed in 2007-2008 to have kept this from happening?
So they need to start leading. . .by doing what Bush and the Republicans tell them to do!
Oh, that makes sense.
But if I dont quit seeing their garbage here day after day after day, I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either
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Chas, speak freely.
Put up or shut up!!
Hey Capn,
Good to see you again!
Just in case you missed this over the weekend:
http://www.kansas.com/224/story/462147.html
(second article)
Would love to have you (and all the other progressive bloggers) participate.
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Rage
Posted July 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
Inaction by the Democratic Congress is inexcusable.
In other words, they failed to take action to fix the mess that the Republican Congress didn’t see coming. Or are you really claiming, with a straight face, that it would have possible via legislation written and passed in 2007-2008 to have kept this from happening?
So they need to start leading. . .by doing what Bush and the Republicans tell them to do!
Oh, that makes sense.
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Responsibility falls upon those who seek the power. The Democrats sought the power, received the power and have failed to do anything.
The Congress has the power to deal with trade and commerce. What have they done?
Th answer: The Democratic Congress has done nothing.
Speak freely, as a man, flesh and blood…Chas
“I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either”
What are you chas? Like 15 years old?
Bring it.
So, McCluer, since you “know-it-all” what SHOULD the Democrats have done and how would it have effected oil prices?
cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Thank you for again admitting that you don’t have any proof for your ridiculous claim of a global CO2 measurement conspiracy.
And again admitting that there isn’t any credible peer-reviewed science that refutes AGW.
LOL!
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Peer reviewed by political cronies is not peer reviewed at all, but prejudiced and biased science.
Your side has lost all credibility cosmos.
The recent consensus at the G8 conference proves it. No one trusts the political, power seeking agendas of the AGW alarmists anymore.
They are has-beens and will soon become a footnote in history.
“The Congress has the power to deal with trade and commerce. What have they done?”
What did the Republican president and the Republican Congress do to prevent the spike in oil prices, McCluer?
After all, according to you, the only intelligent folks in America are Republicans.
So, what did they do?
What are you chas? Like 15 years old?
My 13 yr old boy doens’t pull crap like that. Sounds, at best, like a 7 year old girl…
“Or I’ll tell mommy !!!”
LOL ROFL !!!!!!????????
Speak freely, as a man, flesh and blood…Chas
You may need to ask the Mrs. for your stones back first.
“You may need to ask the Mrs. for your stones back first.”
Tell her you just want to borrow them. She can have them back in an hour.
The no drilling, no refining, no nuclear energy Democrats obviously want us to pay more for energy, more for government, more in taxes of all types.
Two years ago, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the Democrat Congress promised to devise a national energy policy and lower the cost of gas, which was about half the price it is now.
The impotent Democratic Congress have also introduced a bill to “use it or lose it” bill which would force oil companies to use the federal leases they currently have or forfeit them.
The loser Democratic Congress has just used their seventh investigation into “price gougers” and their fourth investigation into “speculators.”
In addition, they want $20 billion in windfall profit taxes on oil producers, a failed strategy tried by a previous Democratic Congress in 1980 and signed into law by then-President Jimmy Carter. It stifled domestic oil production, resulting in an even greater dependence on foreign oil.
Democratic opposition in becoming energy independent: When given the opportunity to tap these abundant resources, the House Democrats overwhelmingly opposed it while House Republicans overwhelmingly supported the increased production. Even when the Republicans were in the majority and passed it in the House, the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to pass the bill and send it to the President because of Democratic opposition.
Tell her you just want to borrow them. She can have them back in an hour.
Better yet, just borrow hers.
Chas is firing off emails to his gal-pals and BlueJay to try to figure out how to resolve his recent blunder.
“The no drilling, no refining, no nuclear energy Democrats obviously want us to pay more for energy, more for government, more in taxes of all types.”
And what did the Republicans do from 2001 to 2007?
Eh?
It’s what they do.
BlueJay will schedule a “secret” meeting about this……
Democratic opposition in becoming energy independent: When given the opportunity to tap these abundant resources, the House Democrats overwhelmingly opposed it while House Republicans overwhelmingly supported the increased production. Even when the Republicans were in the majority and passed it in the House, the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to pass the bill and send it to the President because of Democratic opposition.
Chas’s wife must have lost the key to the lockbox….tick tock Chas..
Even when the Republicans were in the majority and passed it in the House, the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to pass the bill and send it to the President because of Democratic opposition.
“Better yet, just borrow hers.”
Too big. Bigger than cantalopes.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 3:25 pm
“Your side has lost all credibility cosmos.”
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Nope. It’s getting stronger, with more observations and research.
But ‘Regular’ LIED about a global conspiracy re CO2 measurments.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
Dennis Avery LIED about what credible, peer-reviewed climate scientists believe.
All that you people have to refute AGW is LIES and deceptions.
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fleettwood
Posted July 17, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
“Better yet, just borrow hers.”
Too big. Bigger than cantalopes.
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Honey Dew or Musk?
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Later fleet. Damn you make me laugh.
0.8 C temperature rise last Century. Can you feel the heat?
Actually, this is on the low side comparing to other climate periods which have experienced 2.5C in 100 years and it was all caused by natural climate variation.
Well, KFG —- I guess we know now who those idiots be, huh??
There IS NO BLUNDER, ANTI, et al….
Chas, I didn’t figure you would man up and speak freely.
I am almost at a point of posting, straight forward, what it is that these people are REALLY saying, without actually “Saying” it… I have heard it at some of their meetings…. And it sends CHILLS… just to think about it…
It seems like nobody else is willing to just spit it out, and call these wingnuts what they are…. But if I dont quit seeing their garbage here day after day after day, I will post what their bottom line REALLY means, and I wont cover up their language either…
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Lots of tuff talk….So let’s hear it, big boy.
I think you were just jabbering like a monkey in a tree Chas. I don’t think you even know what you are talking about.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 3:54 pm
“0.8 C temperature rise last Century. Can you feel the heat?”
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Yes, definitely, at the upper Northern latitudes.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’: “…and it was all caused by natural climate variation.”
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Past natural climate variations do not prevent human-caused climate variations.
These “posters” are of the same mind as Bo Greitz, and Randy Weaver… And Timothy McVeigh; and the Posse Commitatus… and the various Militia groups…. such as the infamous Michigan Militia… and others….
Their bottom line is that they believe NO Court has authority over them, except for a County Court… No authority higher than the Sheriff…
They believe that the Federal Reserve is a Jewish Conspiracy, to control the MONEY of the United States… They refer to such people as JEW Bankers…. And politicians they oppose they call “African-American Politicians”(I wont use the N word on this Blog)
NOW, they see finances in an uproar, and a promising Black Man as the presumptive candidate for President of the United States.
They now believe their worst fears have become a reality… Blacks in charge of government, and Jews in charge of finance…
THUS, the vitriolic SMEAR campaigns from all corners of the Right Wing Agenda!!
NOW…. MANY of those people are posting daily on this very Blog…. They know who they are… And so do others who have even a half a brain to think with…
It is time to stand up to these maniacs, and let them know they arent going to get anywhere here… and that they can all go back to whatever Cuckoo’s Nest they came from…
Nuff said…
“They believe that the Federal Reserve is a Jewish Conspiracy,…”
Leave ed freidman out of this.
Dear fellow Right Thinkers:
chas is smarter than we thought. He’s on to us.
See you at our prearrainged meeting place in Wyoming.
The hawk flies at midnight.
These “posters” are of the same mind as Bo Greitz, and Randy Weaver… And Timothy McVeigh; and the Posse Commitatus… and the various Militia groups…. such as the infamous Michigan Militia… and others….
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Well it is official Chas, you are a true kook. Falling in line the the kook antics of BlueJay.
“He’s on to us”
I’ll bring my beechnut and scatter gun!
“and a promising Black Man as the presumptive candidate for President of the United States.”
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Of course Black Man is promising. He’s a politician. He will promise you anything.
Chas, is there a website where you get this tom-foolery? Do they sell shirts?
Does Chuck Norris know about this?
Well that is all of the kookery I can handle…I be back for ya later Chas.
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
These “posters” are of the same mind as Bo Greitz, and Randy Weaver… And Timothy McVeigh; and the Posse Commitatus… and the various Militia groups…. such as the infamous Michigan Militia… and others….
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Chas you never fail to disappoint me. Today you have said someone is more worthless that worthless and have proved you are even dumber than I gave your credit for and I have long thought you were the dumbest man alive.
“Does Chuck Norris know about this?”
His beard does.
Which posters would those be, Chas? Be specific.
You’re making some serious charges. Serious charges require serious proof. I presume, therefore, that you will provide evidence, in the form of writings from these un-named posters (remember: they know who they are) to substantiate these charges.
Man up, Chas. And try to keep it normal case; the all caps gets old. Either that, or (perhaps more likely) you’re yelling at your computer monitor (there’s a mental image worth a belly laugh!).
So – name names, and be specific as to the basis for this rather audacious accusation – or STFU.
STFU, of course, stands for Scare Tiny Foreign Undertakers. In Transylvania. In their own dialect, of course. (did you think it could stand for anything else?)
Aryan Nations web site
Christian Identity Movement web site
Michigan Militia web site…
BOOK: “The Turner Diaries”
Many more….
One group of these “people” used to own and operate a radio station in Dodge City, KS… KTTL Radio….
You want Web Sites???
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/2749/C136/L136
Thats just one of HUNDREDS!!
Dow Jones Industrials
11446.66 +207.38
Nasdaq Composite
2312.30 +27.45
NYSE Composite
8415.05 +82.23
Standard & Poors 500
1260.32 +14.96
DOW 11446.66 +207.38
NSDQ 2312.30 +27.45
NYSE 8415.05 +82.23
S&P 500 1260.32 +14.96
AMEX 2132.34 +2.44
RUS 2K 696.63 +9.88
Crude Oil 129.50 -5.10
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More bad news for the dems. Oil fell another $5 today. Thats $15 since Bush has said we will be drilling for our own oil.
Check the last two days of the Dow! If you have a 401k or an IRA that is good news for you.
Oh, how I loved that post GMC70, excellent. :)
Chas in your world is there a conspiracy behind every rock?
Ohh wow, GMC…. am I supposed to be scared of you?? Or what??
You claim to be a prosecutor… YOU know who these people are as much as I do… Why dont YOU step up and call them out?? After all, you CLAIM to represent Law??
Which posters would those be, Chas? Be specific.
You’re making some serious charges. Serious charges require serious proof. I presume, therefore, that you will provide evidence, in the form of writings from these un-named posters (remember: they know who they are) to substantiate these charges.
Chas (note the specific and intentional bolding): You’ve provided nothing. No one disputes there are nuts on the right and the left (you, of course, would be the left variety).
You, however, made specific accusations regarding unspecified (but apparantly known to ourselves) posters HERE.
Name names. Provide evidence of said affinity to said nuts.
No? NO? You got no evidence?
Shocked, I am.
It’s time, then, to STFU. That is, of course, Silly Trees Fearing Urbans. In New York. It’s that Bronx dialect, ya know.
Chas thanks for the link. I found out one thing that I surely didn’t know. ‘Sweet home Alabama’ is a racist song!
I also missed all of the abuse that has been heaped upon blacks in Moscow. I don’t agree in any way with rascists be they white or black but they are definitely among us. You know who they are!!
“Even when the Republicans were in the majority and passed it in the House, the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to pass the bill and send it to the President because of Democratic opposition.”
Nonsense, it takes a majority to pass a bill. That would be 51 in the Senate.
Tell us WHEN the Democrats prevented a vote to close debate (60) in the Senate.
Tell us what bill was denied a vote.
Be specific.
“Why dont YOU step up and call them out??”
This is a little disturbing. The guy makes crazy statements then calls for others to call them out.
Are you sure you aren’t clark?
Come on Observer. You know better than that. China increasing their price (or decreasing their subsidies if you prefer) is what caused their demand to decrease. Which affects world wide demand.
I don’t know if it can account for $10 in 3 days, but it sure wasn’t Dubya talking that did it. Congress will have to respond in kind before that makes much of a difference.
You claim to be a prosecutor… YOU know who these people are as much as I do… Why dont YOU step up and call them out?? After all, you CLAIM to represent Law??
No, Chas, you made the accusation. You bear the burden. I don’t presume to be able to read minds; apparantly you reserve that superpower for yourself. Given that superpower, being able to substantiate your charges ought to be easy.
No? NO? I continue to be shocked.
So no, Chas, I’ll pass. You don’t get to dump your self-created problem on me. You put yourself in this box, you can work your own way out of it. If you can. You can’t of course. But it will be fun to watch you squirm in this one. We’ve learned to enjoy these little adventures in Chasisms.
Or, of course, you could admit your overstepping, your error. But we know that won’t happen.
Or you could STFU. And pick your own bizarre representation this time. Try to work in sheep. Sheep are always funny.
“More bad news for the dems. Oil fell another $5 today. Thats $15 since Bush has said we will be drilling for our own oil.
Check the last two days of the Dow! If you have a 401k or an IRA that is good news for you.”
Yes, Republicans are this short sighted. When Bush was appointed to office the Dow was at 10,732. Recently the Dow closed under 11,000. So for the entire time Bush has been in office the Dow increased less than 300 points. Why is this something to brag about?
When Bush was appointed to office the price for a barrel of oil was $28.66. Now it is at $130 a barrel. Why is this something to brag about?
Since Bush took office the value of the American dollar as dropped over 40%.
Okobserver, if your point is to show how great the economy has soared under the Bush regime then you don’t have much of a case to make.
“Are you sure you aren’t clark?”
You must not be paying attention, Fleet, I call them out myself – witness my calling out McCluer on his false claims about the Democratic Senate.
For your failing to pay attention, Fleet, you have to stay after school today with Coach Balbricker.
“okobserver
Posted July 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink
Dow Jones Industrials
11446.66 +207.38
Still down about 13% or so for the year.
come on observer. Let’s hear it. How Dubya talking dropped the price of oil, and china decreasing their subsidized “Gubenment oil” didn’t affect their demand (hence the cost) 2 1/2 weeks ago, wasn’t it? Sounds pretty close to the right turn around time.
One more time….
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/2749/C136/L136
Oh yea, another name to add to the above list… Erik Rudolph….
And, check out Morris Dees, and SPLC… A very complete listing of groups/organizations that embrace everything I have posted here…
It is NOT — I repeat — NOT nonsense… As GMC WANTS you to believe… It is, rather, very REAL, and very SCARY….
KFG can also tell you about some of these groups and individuals…
GMC… I said earlier, and repeat again… Those on the Blog KNOW who they are, who espouse the garbage of these militia style, and posse style groups… I will not list their “nics” because “nics” are all they are…
But when you see their postings about “those who want to control your finances” (that would be jew bankers) and all of the LYING SMEAR against Obama… whether it be Osama Obama as is
seen upthread, or other vile CRAP… You will KNOW who they are… and what their purpose really is…
(whispering): Chas? Chas?
(louder): Chas!
Still there? Ready to give it a go?
Or perhaps your taking the STFU route. Did you use sheep? Good. I knew you could.
(whispering): Chas? Chas?
(louder): Chas!
Still there? Ready to give it a go?
Or perhaps your taking the STFU route. Did you use sheep? Good. I knew you could.
Come on Observer. Where are you? Econ 101. Artificially lowered prices creates too much demand for a product. Sound familiar? Does China sound Familiar? June 28th ring a bell?
Let’s go Observer. What caused the price of oil to go down? The decrease in a government subsidy to artificially lower a price, or a President talking?
Those on the Blog KNOW who they are, who espouse the garbage of these militia style, and posse style groups…
Chas, Chas, Chas . . .
In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, “There you go again!”
YOU said there were posters here – on this blog – who advocate such nuttery. Get to it: Man up, and name them. And provide such a charge with supporting evidence. A blanket smear won’t do, Chas. You want to smear good folks, you better provide substance for your accusation.
Your accusation, your burden. Man up, Chas. Prove it.
(crickets . . . . . . . . .)
Well Vet and Maggot for the numbers to be this good after the worst national disaster and a terrorist attack on our Pentagon and the hub of the World Trade Center I would say is pretty good.
Seriously I don’t think the prez does much to affect it one way or another but if Bush has to take the blame for what the dems call the poor economy your side heaps on him daily then he must also get the credit. Your rules.
Southern Poverty Law Center,
Morris Dees, Director
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp
Keep it up GMC… With the way you are carrying on, you are starting to act like one of TH”EM folks!! LOL Watch yourself now… Be careful… You wouldnt want to step into any of that Bull Sh*t you are throwing around!!
Ben if your get a chance take your Gkids to see ‘Journey to the Center of the Earth’. 3D and great visual effects. I was dodging myself when the people eating fish came at me. I did find out today why I like them to come to Wichita to visit me – it cost a lot less to take them to the Warren than it costs in Virginia.
As for the oil prices. I do think that if the US makes it clear they will start drilling for their own oil it will mean more supply which will bring down the price of crude and the price of gasoline.
“Well Vet and Maggot for the numbers to be this good after the worst national disaster and a terrorist attack on our Pentagon and the hub of the World Trade Center I would say is pretty good.”
I’m sorry, where did you present the good numbers?
You can always tell when a Republican has lost an argument when he has to start shouting about 9/11.
Observer. Maybe so. But I have got to call you on that drilling announcement dropping the price of oil. You know better.
The price of oil dropped because China stopped creating an artificially lowered price by subsidies. If Mexico and Venezuela also stopped their subsidies, it would drop it a little to.
It had nothing to do with Dubya announcing that he would life an executive ban. Especially since Congress hasn’t lifted their ban.
It dropped because demand dropped, not because supply increased by drilling now and drilling here.
Could be vet but I still think that if we become proactive with our own drilling we will get out from under the pressures put on us by OPEC and the other world controllers. It isn’t to China’s benefit to destroy our economy. They are holding a lot of our debt unfortunately.
“if we become proactive with our own drilling”
We have 2% – we use 25%.
Any questions?
I know I’m one of your “kooks” and I’m quite fine with that. What I am not fine with is the insinuation that I belong to any rascist movement or have a rascist bone in my body. Actually, I resent you for judging me or anyone in your “Godly” manner. Facts are facts, regardless of whatever “strawman” argument you or some article puts out there. That article was meant to portray the (ever-growing) “truth movement” as quaint and rascist from the beginning. No, you won’t dissuade me from putting “alternative” information out there, soon, the truth will be told and you’ll weep. I stand by the US Constitution and will fight for it, as a man, flesh and bone. I believe the Constitution is for everyone, regardless of color or creed. I’m not old enough to have ever owned a slave, nor do I want one now. No, unlike you, I know that we are ALL slaves today. All of us. The rascist crap and complete disinformation that was thrown into the story and apparently into your feeble thought patterns are despicable and you can go to Hell for trying to shove me in a box. I’m still holding out that you aren’t a completely useless waste of sperm, because you claim to be a messenger of God and all, but I’m having doubts.
Damn, you had me believing you were alright.
Chas, Chas, Chas.
You wrote – specifically – that there were “people who post daily on this very Blog” who were aligned with the various nuts you name. No one denies there are the few nuts out there. Both ends of the political spectrum have them.
You, however, associated unnamed posters (who “know who they are)” as aligning with these nuts. Given the kind of blatently racist and nutty statements these groups engage in, that’s a serious charge; no one in his right mind would be aligned with them.
You, however, have accused exactly that.
Therefore, you have been challenged, repeatedly, to identify these unnamed posters, and provide evidence of said alignment. In other words, to back up your inflammatory statement.
You have declined to do so. You even go so far as to tell me that I may be “one of them;” in your words “With the way you are carrying on, you are starting to act like one of TH”EM [sic] folks!!.
So now it’s personal. Wanna come up with ANY specifics to support such an implication? We both know you can’t. Not even close.
Are you familiar with defamation law, Chas? I’m not threatening you with anything, I’m just asking. If it comes to that, I’ll make no threat; you’ll simply get a petition and summons. I’d advise you, however, to get familiar with said law.
More importantly, if you intend to accuse persons of such beliefs, you’d better be prepared to back up said accusations with substantiation.
I said before, Chas, that if you wrote the sky was blue, I’d have to go check it for myself. This kind of crap is exactly why. And you continue to engage fingers before you engage your brain, write these sorts of things, and then have to find ways to squirm and deny you wrote what we all know you wrote.
And here you are again, squirming at the end of a limb you placed yourself on with serious accusations you cannot support.
Sometimes, it’s just funny. You’ve passed funny this time. If you have support for these accusations, let’s see it.
Otherwise, I’d advise you to issue an apology to those you intended to smear. We – and we know who we are – are big enough to accept a genuine apology. And we know one when we see one.
Or you can simply accept that you’ve been caught – again – and STFU. And that acronym means exactly what you meant when you used it, denials to the contrary.
Funny, Pleefer — I never mentioned you — or any other blogger here by name… Did you per chance miss that little fact??
Amazing where confessions come from that arent even being asked for… Tsk tsk tsk…
Truth Movement, huh?? Thats a new one for my Inquiry files…
Thanks!!
You know WS I think your percentages are off but even if they are dead on should we apologize for using 25% of the fuel when we provide food for a much larger chunk of the population than only Americans. We send aids to third world countries all of the time, some in food and some in money. This is possible because we are progressive and industrialized. Should be stop driving, stop harvesting our grains, stop growing crops to feed others – what is your solution to this thorny question?
I’m sure you have an answer because you just identified what you preceive as the problem and you know in the business world ‘if you aren’t part of the solution you are the problem’.
Lets hear your plan.
In January, 2000, the DJIA was around 11,500.
Today, almost eight years later, it stands at 11,446.60.
You’d have to be as stupid as OKobserver to blame this on “democrats.”
That’s the one thing that I’m enjoying about the Bush economic quagmire–his biggest supporters are paying the biggest price.
How’s business, Franklin?
Isn’t it a shame Bush couldn’t have railroaded his “f*** social security” program down our throats?
Then even average non-investing Americans could see their stock savings stagnate for eight long years . . .
You know cap as long as I never get as stupid as you I will be happy. Thanks for asking but my finances are doing great.
“You know WS I think your percentages are off”
Which one was off, the 2% or the 25%?
“when we provide food for a much larger chunk of the population than only Americans”
And we get paid for it.
“We send aids to third world countries all of the time, some in food and some in money.”
We spend $10-12 Billion in aid to foreign countries per year – mostly to Israel and mostly for military expenditures.
“This is possible because we are progressive and industrialized.”
We are not even close to being progressive.
“Lets hear your plan.”
Cut consumption and then cut consumption some more.
And then cut even more.
And then some more.
Let’s see if I have this right.
When the Republicans controlled Congress, with a Republican president who’s not vetoing anything, Democrats in the Senate blocked any meaningful attempt to prepare for the energy disaster we’re seeing now (uh. . right).
But, since the Democrats control Congress, under a Republican president, they are 100% responsible for the current mess (or least, say, 80%), because they. . .didn’t pass legislation that would get past a Senate filibuster or a veto?? Is that about right?
I will be glad to grant this Democratic Congress multiple awards for political ineptitude and spineless acquiescence. Somehow inaction, other than that forced by a determined minority party, just doesn’t fit the cirmcumstances.
Well WS you should always lead by example. So tomorrow put the wheels in cold storage and get out the oil lamps. Unplug your frig and blow out the pilot light on the water heater. Better yet have the city turn off your water and carry your own from the closest stream.
You go first and when you have stopped consumming then I will go next.
Here’s one — Truth Movement 9/11….
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/opinion/main2242387.shtml
“You go first and when you have stopped consumming then I will go next.”
Ah, typical right wing conservative idiotic response.
Stupid really.
I do conserve, I rarely drive, walk when I can, use fans and open windows rather than air conditioning, never turn on the AC in my vehicle unless my pregnant daughter is with me, the water temp is barely above warm and I wash dishes by hand.
So, KSGrm, what have YOU done?
And, by the way, idiot, I said CUT consumption, not stop consuming.
Damn, typical right wing idiotic response.
More — Ahem — stuff….
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze25×9n/id24.html
Regular: “Peer reviewed by political cronies is not peer reviewed at all, but prejudiced and biased science.
“Your side has lost all credibility cosmos.
“The recent consensus at the G8 conference proves it. No one trusts the political, power seeking agendas of the AGW alarmists anymore.
“They are has-beens and will soon become a footnote in history.”
Translation, I got nuthin’ but over the top conspiracy theories. Or, more accurately, I’m just trolling for more responses from cosmos.
I am particularly amused by the claim of consensus at the G-8 discrediting global warming science, you know, since “global warming alarmism research” is so lucrative as opposed to the fossil fuels industry. Obviously, the governments are wanting to fund global warming alarmism…hey, wait a minute.
““Peer reviewed by political cronies is not peer reviewed at all, but prejudiced and biased science.”
And oh yeah, how do you know that Regular. Are you a climate scientist?
Of course, this question is pure snark, and really isn’t any more relevant than when Regular uses it against cosmos.
But of course, he is hoping someone will point out the hyp…oooops!
No (more) soup for you troll!
Good points, WSC and Rage.
The CONs are past masters of the logical fallacy.
If one wants to conserve, then as long as one isn’t living like the Amish, he is “hypocritical.”
Meanwhile, an 18 month old bare majority Dem Congress is responsible for all ills, while the 6 years under Republican domination did nothing at all wrong.
As for okobserver claiming “my finances are doing great,” I call BS.
The only way somebody’s finances could be doing great these days is if you were holding gold stocks valued in Euros.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 3:54 pm
“0.8 C temperature rise last Century. Can you feel the heat?”
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Yes, definitely, at the upper Northern latitudes.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’: “…and it was all caused by natural climate variation.”
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Past natural climate variations do not prevent human-caused climate variations.
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Except that in the past, the same mechanisms that caused it to snow, rain, sleet, give great gusts of wind and cause it to be very warm or hot have not changed. They were of course, all natural variations of climate.
cosmos is a denier of natural climate change.
cosmos has admitted that the computer climate models are inaccurate, yet he still holds them up as a predictor of future climate. The problem is, that these same models exclude huge amounts of empirical data like water vapor, that the alarmists do not know how to interpret.
cosmos is not a scientist.
This must be one of the MAIN web sites >>>>
http://www.truthmove.org/
For those out there interested in such things….
The law defines criminal defamation as “communicating to a person orally, in writing, or by any other means, information, knowing the information to be false and with actual malice, tending to expose another living person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule; tending to deprive such person of the benefits of public confidence and social acceptance; or tending to degrade and vilify the memory of one who is dead and to scandalize or provoke surviving relatives and friends.”
While Pelosi lies and breaks promises, the American Public goes broke.
Pelosi: ‘With Skyrocketing Gas Prices, Americans Can No Longer Afford Rubber Stamp Congress’
Monday, April 24, 2006
Contact: Brendan Daly/Jennifer Crider, 202-226-7616
Washington, D.C. – House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on President Bush’s, Speaker Hastert’s, and the Republican Congress’ empty rhetoric on gas prices. Key facts on the Majority’s failure to address gas prices follows Pelosi’s statement.
With skyrocketing gas prices, it is clear that the American people can no longer afford the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress and its failure to stand up to Republican big oil and gas company cronies. Americans this week are paying $2.91 a gallon on average for regular gasoline – 33 cents higher than last month, and double the price than when President Bush first came to office.
“With record gas prices, record CEO pay packages, and record oil company profits, Speaker Hastert and the Majority Congress continue to give the American people empty rhetoric rather than join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now.
“Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.”
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/press/releases/April06/Rubberstamp.html
Of course, the American public has not seen one piece of legislation from the Democrats that will lower gas prices, search for new energies or anything that resembles the best interests of the American public.
The old kook McCain has admitted he is worse on foreign policy that Obama. McCain criticized Obama’s record on attending hearings on Afghanistan saying that it proves that Obama is clueless on Afghan issues. The problem is that Obama did attend hearings while McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Service Committee, has attended zero meetings.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/hearing-gate-ex.html
This should come to no surprise since earlier McCain changed his position on how to engage the Afghani conflict to match Obama’s previously stated position. McCain had earlier stated that Obama had no strategy for Afghanistan, so why would he adopt the strategy of someone who he alleged didn’t have a strategy? Simple, because McCain has no knowledge of foreign policy or military issues.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/17/mccain-reverses-course-on-afghanistan-policy-follows-obamas-lead/#more-31041
Seeing that McCain admitted that he knows less on economic issues than military and foreign policy issues is this he way of saying he knows absolutely nothing about the economy since he fails at the other issues as well? About the only consistent promise that McCain has made is that there will be more wars. War is a sign of failed leadership, and that is what McCain promises. He must mean it when he’s essentially admitting Obama would make a better President.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
Ahem, indeed!
Chas, Chas, Chas. You’re ignoring the point.
You spoke of posters here – on this blog – who were aligned with the sites you keep referring to.
Do I need to post your quote – again?
Or you can just forward that heartfelt apology. I’ll accept it on behalf the unnamed posters you’ve smeared. I think they won’t mind.
The Dept. of Energy has calculated that the Bush-McCain plan of “drill everywhere now” will result in a 6 cent reduction in a gallon of gas . . . but not until the year 2025.
Gee, maybe we shouldn’t sell the 1.6 millions of oil we pump everyday to overseas buyers.
That’d be a good start.
Capn, the folks at Fox News said oil would be $20 a barrel if we invade Iraq. You know the old saying, we just need six more months. Since when have the Republicans steered us wrong?
“With Skyrocketing Gas Prices, Americans Can No Longer Afford Rubber Stamp Congress”
Jesus WEPT!
That has GOT to be one of the most hypocritical statements ever made.
Sounds like bush.
It would be funny if it wasnt so freakin’ sad.
MagPunk–
Fox News was wrong!
Well, knock me over with a feather . . .
:roll:
Question, Ksgrrl:
Isn’t Hillary Clinton also a member of Congress?
NO GMC… No apology necessary… why should I??? With the CRAP you post here about me, or my vocation, or any of the rest of your demeaning and belittling??? And I should put out an apology where NO NAMES were named???
Damn, GMC, you gotta be drinking that Reich Wing Kool Aid!!
Regular writes that Obama gets his money from trial lawyers and wall street.
Funny, that doesn’t seem to match what is in today’s New York Times.
“In his message to supporters on Thursday, Mr. Plouffe said the average June contribution was $68.”
Looks like Obama’s biggest contributors are ordinary folks.
Better call the Times, Reggie, and set them straight . . .
Re: Bo Greitz and the Cosmic War >>>>
http://juergensmeyer.com/files/ch08.doc
I laugh at the claim that America feeds the world. America doesn’t even feed America. We import half our food.
heheheheh.
Well, Hillary sure as HELL isnt speaker of the house or majority leader of the senate. Nice job they’re doing. Hell, they’re better appeasers than the repukes ever THOUGHT about being.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..and what was obama’s vote on FISA?
And what was Hillary’s vote on FISA?
Button up. Your Hillary hatred is showing.
The only real progressive in the race.
http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com/
So what? You’ve posted links to sites that offer OPINIONS of the Truth Movement. And just like butthole’s…y’know the rest. Truth hurts. You on the other hand, when having lost the fight, begin to profanely defame anyone who differs from your narrow point of view. I offer no “confession”, I just have a very alert brain and can discern who you were pointing at…(anyone who isn’t on Chas’ page) (heck you and I, we aren’t even in the same book). I cannot stop you from wanting to live in the big alternate universe that you live in, but I’ll be darned if I let you call me a rascist. All in all, you’re nothing but a race-baiter, with a true and unbridled anger within yourself. You had better put yourself in check, because some folks don’t take kindly to getting falsely accused.
Chas, there was a reference in the article to Dodge City Radio and the father of the “flesh and blood” dodge broadcasting from there in 1982.
You’re so stuck with your man, Obama winning, to you you’re anxious to spell out that he’s black. That makes me think that you’re a feel-gooder that wants to see a “BLACK” person voted in. Myself, I never saw his color or his religion. Yeah the talking points that you all repeat over and over and over…tell me he’s black, he’s a Muslim, he’s not a Muslim, blah, blah…blah. WHO CARES??!! His policies and his voting record (or lack thereof) is what I attend to. I despise your man as much as McCain. Do I despise McCain because he’s white? I detest these people because they are scum who work for banker’s not you, not me. But you’ll keep fighting your fights and I’ll do the same. But remember, my brother’s and sister’s in this fight come from all walks of life. They are those who love freedom and remember history but don’t live in the past, like you. We know who the enemies of us all are and it’s not a…”black and white” issue.
Cattle-like thinking is what you have.
Mooooove forward, you’re holding up the line.
Yea, I know KFG…
Pleefer…. please pull your head out of the sand long enough to notice that I have NOT called you a racist…. Are you saying that Truthmove.org is NOT the web site of the Truth Movement?? If it isnt, post the right one…
Heheheh. My point in posting the “flesh and blood” link had nothing to do with racism, and EVERYTHING to do with folks who think they are above the law. That the courts have no jurisdiction over them.
From bushco on down to these posse types.
I understood that KFG… However, many of those posse groups and those who think the Courts have no jurisdiction over them, etc., are also extremely racist… and sexist… and hate motivated…
An interesting Movie on the entire subject was titled “Betrayed” starring Tom Berenger and Debra Winger… Filmed extensively in Colorado and Nebraska…
True dat chas.
And being hate motivated is indeed what the posse types share with a lot of the posters here.
In other words, Chas, you wrote a broad smear, attacking posters on this blog without a shred of evidence in support of your contention that these un-named posters – who, you say “know who they are” – are the racist assholes you accused them of being.
Implicitly, you accused any and all conservative posters of exactly that. And you wonder why some posters take offense at that?
You even went to far as to imply that I was exactly that.
You’re damn right they – and I – are owed an apology. But you’re too small a person to ever admit you were wrong, or even that you misspoke (or ‘miswrote,’ as the case may be). Why am I not surprised?
And Pleefer, though I agree with you on almost nothing, indeed Chas called you a racist. His denial now changes nothing.
Of course, even John Prine has hate!
“I hate graveyards and old pawn shops, for they always bring me down. I cant forget the way they robbed me, of my childhood souvenirs”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohfM_PqYeg
I bought a new book today — “The Dark Side” by Jane Mayer. When I’m finished the book goes to Steven Davis who has given me two books so I owe him. He is one of the most generous people I’ve ever known so if you want the book after he reads it, I know he will gladly share. We could have our own WE Blog sharing library! Steven sent me a link to an online discussion of the book conducted by the author. Here is one question and answer. I share it here as I want all Kansans to remember the part Senator Roberts played in this whole sick mess.
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New York, N.Y.: In your interview with Harper’s yesterday, you said that this about why war crimes prosecutions are unlikely: “An additional complicating factor is that key members of Congress sanctioned this program, so many of those who might ordinarily be counted on to lead the charge are themselves compromised.”
What did you mean by that? Who specifically is compromised ” who might ordinarily be counted on to lead the charge are themselves compromised” — Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harman, Jay Rockefeller? — and how are they “compromised”?
washingtonpost.com: Six Questions for Jane Mayer, Author of The Dark Side (Harpers.org)
Jane Mayer: The ranking members of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees were briefed dozens of times about the CIA’s interrogation and detention program over the past seven years – so any member who has held one of those posts has arguably been complicit. Some say they tried to object, internally. But either because of the threat of violating national security, or, because of the fear of the political price of dissent, these figures in both parties would find it very hard at this point to point the finger at the White House, without also implicating themselves.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/10/DI2008071001458.html
Indeed Linda. It’s why the democratic leadership refuses to get serious about contempt or impeachment.
They know who was complicit. And it wasnt ALL republicans.
…and I agree with you about Steven Davis ;)
Hey, farmfrrl, you got rain?
No rain :(
It’s dryer than a popcorn fart out here.
I vote for Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein for the next book club meeting!
And do you also know how to read typos? :-)
I shopped all afternoon. I really don’t like shopping, will do most anything to get out of it. It’s a chore. But, one of my grandsons celebrated his 17th birthday and I can’t ever come up with something for a 17 year old so shopping with him was the assignment. The company was pleasant and we had a wonderful lunch and talk and visited a book store. Oh, and he has some new shirts that he choose so they must be keepers.
I’m tired and off to bed soon to read my new book.
She’s dead on about disaster capitalism too.
Uh oh. You can tell we’re getting close to elections.
I bet the “terra” alert will go to orange, maybe even red?
better stock up on duct tape and plastic
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080718/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat
Hey C-O-S-M-O-S….oh cosmos, what ya gone’a do now?
“Considerable presence” of skeptics
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming “incontrovertible.”
In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,”There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.”
http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm
Does this mean we should…just maybe, build a couple of power plants we need, taking advantage of the cheapest, an one of the most abundant, source of energy we have.
Not to rub it in of course, but…ha, ha, ha, I love it.
Not that conservation and alternate sources of energy are not valuable endeavors, but the AGW/CO2 hysteria is finally coming to a head.
And I thought it would be several more years, silly me.
Oh, and one more thing;
“According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, “in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low.”
Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain’s Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth’s recent warming. “In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years … Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth.”
Get that, ‘peer reviewed’, that all important aspect of cosmos’s life.
Sorry cosmos, but you have ask for and deserve it.
The Federal Goverment’s job is to provide common defense. Everything else is left up to the State’s. So, yeah, I guess I am above laws that aren’t laws. Thanks for the agreement on this GMC.
And some good sites are this one. And this one.
This is not a “centralized” movement. We have no board of director’s. We are just a rag-tag group of fed up patriot’s.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink
Regular writes that Obama gets his money from trial lawyers and wall street.
Funny, that doesn’t seem to match what is in today’s New York Times.
“In his message to supporters on Thursday, Mr. Plouffe said the average June contribution was $68.”
Looks like Obama’s biggest contributors are ordinary folks.
Better call the Times, Reggie, and set them straight . . .
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No, I said the top two contributors were Trial Lawyers and Wall Street.
Goldman Sachs $601,480
University of California $488,159
JPMorgan Chase & Co $373,507
Citigroup Inc $371,054
UBS AG $370,850
National Amusements Inc $332,089
Lehman Brothers $330,760
Harvard University $325,424
Google Inc $321,964
Sidley Austin LLP $305,345
Skadden, Arps et al $281,163
Morgan Stanley $274,213
Time Warner $268,227
Jones Day $251,250
Exelon Corp $237,311
University of Chicago $230,175
Latham & Watkins $228,026
Microsoft Corp $223,895
Wilmerhale Llp $222,080
General Electric $210,329
This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization’s members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors – like EMILY’s List and Club for Growth – make for particularly big bundlers.
Percent of Contributions Coded How to read this chart
legend Coded $110,524,433 (72%)
legend Uncoded $44,101,328 (29%)
Total $154,625,761
I tell ya it looked earlier like the rain front was about to come in.
Ahha look GMC is back, I’m gonna have to go get my post.
EL DORADO POLICE IGNORE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN:
My very good friend was held captive by her boyfriend in their house with a gun, and the police still have yet to file charges, or arrest the man who did it.
When my friend asked why the man hadn’t been arrested, the arresting police officer, JEFF MURPHY, said that he deemed the guy to no longer be a threat.
The man was suicidal, threatening to kill another woman that he had previously had an affair with…and since the officer took the gun from the man, he said that she was safe. That it was just him blowing steam and that he didn’t really mean any harm. WHAT THE HELL?
Now the DA hasn’t even seen the case according to teh DA, because my friend called, and the officer will not call her back.
Do we need to come and protest the ILLEGAL and INEPT actions of the ElDorado police department?
We will do it.
Pleefer –
I expressed no agreement on the point I think you are making. I suspect we agree on very little.
I only indicated that indeed Chas was calling you a racist, and I had seen no evidence of that.
Of course, Chas won’t man up to that . . . . .
Pleefer –
I expressed no agreement on the point I think you are making. I suspect we agree on very little. The 911 “truthers” are nuts.
I only indicated that indeed Chas was calling you a racist, and I had seen no evidence of that.
Of course, Chas won’t man up to that . . . . .
I see Chas has surrounded himself with his own words again and won’t man up to them. Nose deep in his own poo-poo…bah-foon.
And dear Chas, I am not a member of a racist “posse”, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Sorry about the double post. I hit the wrong button too soon.
P-Mom:
I will make no comment of any kind about any particular case on a public blog. Wanna contact me privately, and we may be able to talk. However, I will tell you this:
We will charge cases based on the facts as best we can determine them and the evidence that can be admitted into court. No amount of activist posturing will make one iota of difference. So put away the “activist” rhetoric.
Its not rhetoric at all. And we are making plans. This is pathetic and beyond reason.
And if it happened like this to my friend, then I would hate to see the record for other cases.
You can certainly email me at o_serenity_now@yahoo.com.
I don’t have your email.
Why is Obama’s average donation known, but just try and find out what mccain’s average donation is. (let me know if you do)
McCain
Individual contributions $104,783,672 88%
legend PAC contributions $1,143,214 1%
legend Candidate self-financing $0 0%
legend Federal Funds $0 0%
legend Other $13,667,709 11%
Boxlock,
Monckton? ROFL! He’s got cuckoo-science.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/cuckoo-science
Obama
Individual contributions $286,382,376 100%
legend PAC contributions $-650 -0%
legend Candidate self-financing $0 0%
legend Federal Funds $0 0%
legend Other $1,016,219 0%
Which of course has been proven false about PAC’s in my previous post.
But what is his individual average contribution?
waiting for your email GMC…
And Monckton has got a lot of respected folks standing with him as well, he’s not standing by himself cosmos.
Face it cosmos…your time hasn’t come yet, if in fact it ever comes.
cosmos, even it there is some validity to your ’science’, and I’m not convinced by any means at this point there is, you are as good as wrong as far as getting anything changed.
Top 5 Contributors
Goldman Sachs $658,430
University of California $495,159
JPMorgan Chase & Co $423,107
Citigroup Inc $393,904
UBS AG $377,600
Top 5 Industries
Lawyers/Law Firms $21,126,520
Retired $16,722,771
Securities & Investment $9,472,773
Education $8,024,122
Real Estate $5,879,799
*Senate Election Funds
Boxlock,
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
“(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.”
Oh, and cosmos,
‘Real Climate’ is for the most part a bunch of like minded hysterics all patting each other on the back and criticizing anyone who slightly presents evidence contrary to their mass hysteria the wallow in.
Barack Obama (D) $200-$499 $500-$999 $1000-$2300 $2300+ $4600+
# Donors Total # Donors Total # Donors Total # Donors Total # Donors Total
Female 20336 $5,250,097 12930 $7,315,040 12384 $16,740,459 10654 $27,883,108 907 $4,266,383
Male 25401 $6,540,096 17160 $9,677,350 17143 $22,615,491 15540 $40,852,203 1505 $7,074,653
Contributions from all donors: About this data
Candidate
No. of $200+
Contributors
% from Donors
of $200 or less No. of $2,300+
Contributors % from Donors
of $2,300+ No. of $4,600
Contributors % from Donors
of $4,600
Obama, Barack
151,868 47% 29,461 27% 2,697 4%
McCain, John
65,710 26% 19,722 49% 2,451 11%
Right cosmos, that was Nov. 2007, and now they are retracting, backing away from that.
Oil Company Contributions to Obama
Exxon Mobil $30,850
Hess $5,200
Shell $9,900
Conoco Philips $4,300
Chevrion $9,500
BP $6,396
total $66,146
*by individual contributors employed by companies
I bet McCains individual donations are much closer to the 1000 limit.
Here cosmos,
“The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming “incontrovertible.”
http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm
Look cosmos, I’m not saying you’re are wrong, I’m just saying ‘chill out’, pun intended.
There is more to life, both now and in the future than global warming fear.
You keep worrying about it if you find that your passion, I have more immediate things to concern myself with.
“*by individual contributors employed by companies”
Well, damn, what is your point then, McCluer?
People that work for COMPANIES contribute to political candidates?
Wow! Now there is a revelation.
Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the “Greenhouse
Effect,” expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)
Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics
% of All Greenhouse Gases
% Natural % Man-made
Water vapor 95.000% 0.001%
Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
3.502% 0.117%
Methane (CH4) 0.294% 0.066%
Nitrous Oxide (N2O)
0.903% 0.047%
Misc. gases ( CFC’s, etc.)
0.025% 0.047%
Total 100.00%
99.72 0.28%
And wow! A total of $66,146 from oil company employees out of how many millions?
Damn, he must be in the pocket of oil company employees……………..
Boy howdy, I am glad that you “discovered” that bit of incriminating evidence.
Shoot, $66,146!!!!!!
Wow!
Wow, Reg. all but one of the oil companies donated less to Sen. Obama, than Northrop donated to our very own Sen. Roberts. Must have been related to their Kansas operations. Oh, wait, what am I saying, they don’t have any Kansas operations!
No, those are individual contributions by employees of said companies.
PAC’s (lobbyists) for Oil companies I haven’t found yet.
Interesting site. Click on follow the oil money. John Mccain and obama are in the middle, hoover cursor over them and understand where Reg. is coming from, Or NOT.
Interesting site. Click on follow the oil money. John Mccain and obama are in the middle, hoover cursor over them and understand where Reg. is coming from, Or NOT.
http://oilmoney.priceofoil.org/federalRaceGraph.php
Being virtuous about something as vile as prostitution is not Victorian, it’s about respect for women and detesting a profession that is based lust and money.
Actually, I have found the progressive Liberals on this blog to the most prejudiced and racists of any people I’ve ever run across. To assign others with a moniker of being racists is a tactic used by Liberals to try and shut down a conversation. To even use this tactic implies a leaning towards being racist themselves.
I’ve never denied the holocaust and actually been to a couple of the camps. It is frightening that humans could do that to other humans.
Comparing AGW to the holocaust is pathetic and ludicrous. It’s not on the same scale of inhumanity.
AGW is about an agenda by self-serving bureacrats seeking power through the socialization of economies.
The latest G8 conference should serve as a wake up call to the alarmists. No one is buying their line of crap anymore.
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Thanks, James McCluer. Your insights will be kept here for a long time. Your words will speak for themselves many years from now.
That clarified a great deal. :)
Clark — Did you notice how Regular just happened to have all of those percentages, and giving reports RIGHT at his fingertips, EXACTLY when the question was asked???
LOL Can somebody say SHILL???
Chas, how was the meeting?
Chas,
Do you ever wonder that same thing about Cosmos?
GMC — Please show for ALL of us to see where I called Pleefer a racist… Oh, and good luck finding it… It aint there!!!
Please to show where I said YOU were one of them?? Good luck, cause it aint there!!!
But, do try… might do your intellect good to be WRONG!!! Nut case!!
Oh, yea, GMC… WTG on making NO COMMENT on that open case on this public Blog… Good call there…
Chas, please show us who these “posters” you refer to? Do try? You know, the “flesh and blood” types!!! Or are your stones due back in the lockbox?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What meeting would that be ANTI???
Nathan, what ever are you talking about???
Yeah right Chas, like you “never” swear at posters either.
Bitch, Slut, A$$whole, Bastard…
Nope, even when you know you are wrong you will never admit to it, because as you said, that would mean others would win.
“They are real”
LOL
What’s your problem ANTI?? I already stated once I would not name nics…. Get over it, already…. Or are you worried about YOU being on the list (if there was one)…
Chas,
What are you talking about?
Boxlock posted July 17, 2008 at 10:09 pm
“Right cosmos, that was Nov. 2007, and now they are retracting, backing away from that.”
….
Here cosmos,
“The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.”
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Okay, inform us Boxlock — how MANY of the “nearly 50,000 physicists” now “disbelieve in human-induced global warming”?
You posted the claim, so give us the number.
“LOL Can somebody say SHILL???”
No not for James “Regular” McCluer.
He’s just a guy who lives with his sister and doesn’t get out alot and wants to protect his status as a leech on society WHILE he considers himself more intelligent and divinely inspired than the rest of us poor mortals.
Paul Rosell is a shill.
“Regular” is a sociopath who uses the blog to exercise his demons.
Nathaniel
Posted July 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink
Chas,
Do you ever wonder that same thing about Cosmos?
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What are you talking about??
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink
What’s your problem ANTI?? I already stated once I would not name nics…. Get over it, already…. Or are you worried about YOU being on the list (if there was one)…
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Well Rev., you are my problem. You post and make claims, but don’t wish to honor your words. Typical Lib Pus-E, and that disgust me. So Chas, when is your next “big show” without a conclusion?
Exercise my demons?
Do I make those demons go out and do calisthenics?
Some jumping jacks and perhaps some push ups for old Beelzebub?
Mult-nic’d ‘Regular’, WHERE is your proof of the huge global conspiracy that FALSIFIED CO2 measurements.
Did you find the links to Clark’s and Patterson’s (non-existent) peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW yet? How about some Canadian newspaper op-ed links, instead?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
“Regular” is a sociopath who uses the blog to exercise his demons.
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Actually, that sounds more like you BlueJay.
Chas,
“Did you notice how Regular just happened to have all of those percentages, and giving reports RIGHT at his fingertips, EXACTLY when the question was asked???
LOL Can somebody say SHILL???”
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What are you talking about?
Cosmos — You just gotta love this stuff!!!
“APS Climate Change Statement
APS Position Remains Unchanged
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
Read: APS Climate Change Statement”
http://www.aps.org/
Nathan, sorry if you came in at the middle of the movie…. You need to read upthread…. Do you think you can manage to do that all by yourself?? If not, maybe ANTI can help you… LOL
BTW, IF you bother to read, my comment was directed at CLARK….
n December last year, at the UN conference in Bali, I heard Viscount Monckton present a paper prepared by himself, the Australian Dr David Evans and our own Dr Vincent Gray (who were at Bali, too) that showed while the IPCC models predict that greenhouse gases would produce an extensive “hot spot” in the upper troposphere over the tropics, the satellite measurements show no such hotspots have appeared.
Monckton and Evans found a large part of this discrepancy is the result of some basic errors in the IPCC’s assessment of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. When they applied their revised factor to the effect of greenhouse gases, the temperature rise was about a third of that predicted by the IPCC.
So by late last year we not only knew IPCC forecasts of atmospheric global warming were wrong; we were beginning to understand why they are wrong.
The key issue in this debate is whether anthropogenic greenhouse gases or natural solar activities are the prime drivers of climate change. A closely related argument is whether the climate is highly sensitive to carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere.
Doubtful predictions
Put together, these uncertainties raise doubts as to whether the IPCC models can accurately forecast the climate over the long term. If they cannot, then we have to wonder how much damage we should risk doing to the world’s economies in attempts to manage the possibly adverse effects of these “predictions.”
The findings that the predicted “tropical hot spots” do not exist are important because the IPCC models assume these hot spots will be formed by increased evaporation from warmer oceans leading to the accumulations of higher concentrations of water vapour in the upper atmosphere, and thereby generating a positive feedback reinforcing the small amount of warming that can be caused by CO2 alone.
Atmospheric scientists generally agree that as carbon dioxide levels increase there is a law of “diminishing returns” – or more properly “diminishing effects” – and that ongoing increases in CO2 concentration do not generate proportional increases in temperature. The common analogy is painting over window glass. The first layers of paint cut out lots of light but subsequent layers have diminishing impact.
So, you might be asking, why the panic? Why does Al Gore talk about temperatures spiraling out of control, causing mass extinctions and catastrophic rises in sea-level, and all his other disastrous outcomes when there is no evidence to support it?
The alarmists argue that increased CO2 leads to more water vapour – the main greenhouse gas – and this provides positive feedback and hence makes the overall climate highly sensitive to small increases in the concentration of CO2.
Consequently, the IPCC argues that while carbon dioxide may well “run out of puff” the consequent evaporation of water vapour provides the positive feedback loop that will make anthropogenic global warming reach dangerous levels.
This assumption that water vapour provides positive feedback lies behind the famous “tipping point,” which nourishes Al Gore’s dreams of destruction, and indeed all those calls for action now – “before it is too late!” But no climate models predict such a tipping point.
However, while the absence of hot spots has refuted one important aspect of the IPCC models we lack a mechanism that fully explains these supposed outcomes. Hence the IPCC, and its supporters, have been able to ignore this “refutation.”
So by the end of last year, we were in a similar situation to the 19th century astronomers, who had figured out that the sun could not be “burning” its fuel – or it would have turned to ashes long ago – but could not explain where the energy was coming from. Then along came Einstein and E=mc2.
Hard to explain
Similarly, the climate sceptics have had to explain why the hotspots are not where they should be – not just challenge the theory with their observations.
This is why I felt so lucky to be in the right place at the right time when I heard Roy Spencer speak at the New York conference on climate change in March. At first I thought this was just another paper setting out observations against the forecasts, further confirming Evans’ earlier work.
But as the argument unfolded I realised Spencer was drawing on observations and measurements from the new Aqua satellites to explain the mechanism behind this anomaly between model forecasts and observation. You may have heard that the IPCC models cannot predict clouds and rain with any accuracy. Their models assume water vapour goes up to the troposphere and hangs around to cook us all in a greenhouse future.
However, there is a mechanism at work that “washes out” the water vapour and returns it to the oceans along with the extra CO2 and thus turns the added water vapour into a NEGATIVE feedback mechanism.
The newly discovered mechanism is a combination of clouds and rain (Spencer’s mechanism adds to the mechanism earlier identified by Professor Richard Lindzen called the Iris effect).
The IPCC models assumed water vapour formed clouds at high altitudes that lead to further warming. The Aqua satellite observations and Spencer’s analysis show water vapour actually forms clouds at low altitudes that lead to cooling.
Furthermore, Spencer shows the extra rain that falls from these clouds cools the underlying oceans, providing a second negative feedback to negate the CO2 warming.
Alarmists’ quandary
This has struck the alarmists like a thunderbolt, especially as the lead author of the IPCC chapter on feedback has written to Spencer agreeing that he is right!
There goes the alarmist neighbourhood!
The climate is not highly sensitive to CO2 warming because water vapour is a damper against the warming effect of CO2.
That is why history is full of Ice Ages – where other effects, such as increased reflection from the ice cover, do provide positive feedback – while we do not hear about Heat Ages. The Medieval Warm Period, for example, is known for being benignly warm – not dangerously hot.
We live on a benign planet – except when it occasionally gets damned cold.
While I have done my best to simplify these developments they remain highly technical and many people distrust their own ability to assess competing scientific claims. However, in this case the tipping point theories are based on models that do not include the effects of rain and clouds.
The new Nasa Aqua satellite is the first to measure the effects of clouds and rainfall. Spencer’s interpretation of the new data means all previous models and forecasts are obsolete. Would anyone trust long-term forecasts of farm production that were hopeless at forecasting rainfall?
The implications of these breakthroughs in measurement and understanding are dramatic to say the least. The responses will be fun to watch.
Alarmists, ‘experts’ face a new inconvenient truth
Christopher Pearson, of The Australian newspaper (March 22), has written up a remarkable ABC television interview with Dr Jennifer Marohasy, a senior fellow of the Institute of Public Affairs, a Melbourne-based think tank.
Dr Marohasy says the impact of the Aqua satellite and Spencer’s interpretation of the data and prompts the reporter to conclude with some pungent observations of his own:
“If Marohasy is anywhere near right about the impending collapse of the global warming paradigm, life will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.
“A great many founts of authority, from the Royal Society to the UN, most heads of government along with countless captains of industry, learned professors, commentators and journalists will be profoundly embarrassed. Let us hope it is a prolonged and chastening experience.
“With catastrophe off the agenda, for most people the fog of millennial gloom will lift, at least until attention turns to the prospect of the next ice age. Among the better educated, the sceptical cast of mind that is the basis of empiricism will once again be back in fashion. The delusion that by recycling and catching public transport we can help save the planet will quickly come to be seen for the childish nonsense it was all along.
RAIN CHECK: Spencer’s analyses based on new satellite data pour cold rain on warming theory
“The poorest Indians and Chinese will be left in peace to work their way toward prosperity, without being badgered about the size of their carbon-footprint, a concept that for most of us will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre, clean forgotten in six months.
“The scores of town planners in Australia building empires out of regulating what can and can’t be built on low-lying shorelines will have to come to terms with the fact inundation no longer impends and find something more plausible to do. The same is true of the bureaucrats planning to accommodate ‘climate refugees.”
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/climate-change-confirmed-global-warming-cancelled
Chas, man up.
You post and make claims, but don’t wish to honor your words. Typical Lib Pus-E.
Yeah my friends were right.
“ANTI” is Nathan. Hey dunsels boy? At least I don’t have to switch nics.
I made my statement…. LIVE WITH IT ANTI!!!
Looks like GMC cant back up his LIES either!!
I love it when that happens!!! LOL
Chas,
My question was simple.
The same thing you ask about Regular:
“LOL Can somebody say SHILL???”
Do you ever ask the same question about Cosmos?
“ANTI” is Nathan.
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I thought you said I was Regular….you tricky bastard. BlueJay, you are one step away from wearing a pillow case as a hat and burning someones house down…that is your kookery.
I made my statement…
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No Chas, you made a wet fart….again…and you can’t clean it up…
BlueJay,
I would check your sources again.
Jay, your friends could have been wrong??
Check your email… OK??
Yeah my friends were right.
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HE HE Freakin’ HE, friends…hardy fargin har har!!
LOL, !!!, ALL CAPS, and of course, ??? (for my buddy Chas)
ANTI — I would rather be a wet fart, than your SOS Sloppy S*it!!! STUFF IT!!!
I never SAID I would name nics… I take it you think you are one of them… Who knows?? MAYbe you are…. MAYbe you arent!!
You nic switch Nathan. You’ve been caught at it before.
Sheesh no WONDER you like but won’t meet James McCluer. His insanity gives you cover.
BlueJay, this may help you with your son…baby steps, next we will move on to responsibility…
http://www.petstyle.com/dog/health_well_article.aspx?id=1948§ion=health
Careful Anti, Junior will make you exercise your demons and cause them undue perspiration.
BlueJay,
When have I been caught at it before?
Not only do you have “sources” which are wrong, now you make false claims that I have been caught nic switching before?
*Eye Roll*
SOS Sloppy S*it!!!
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que?
Those who are part of such groups and organizations know who they are… They dont need to be singled out on this Blog…
All that is necessary is to watch the posts…
And with that, I need to go…. BIG funeral tomorrow….
Wait a minute. I confess. I have switched nics!
I apologize, BlueJay was right.
I used to go by the nic….
NATHAN
Now I go by the nic….
NATHANIEL
To anyone that may have been confused by this change and hurt, I deeply apologize.
I never meant to hurt anyone or confuse anyone. Due to registration issues, I “switched nics” to Nathaniel.
I thought I had made that clear and it would be obvious to those who missed my saying so.
Please find it in your hearts to forgive me.
Good night; Good luck; God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Careful Anti, Junior will make you exercise your demons and cause them undue perspiration.
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Nah, I exercise my demons everyday. They are in excellent shape. Oh, and they breath C02, which is pretty abundant from what I have heard. They also love a warm climate.
Regular… you sure the word was not Exorcise??
Well what is “ANTI”?
That “poster” better titled a poser was originally “ANTI JR”.
Who is more “anti J R” than James McCluer?
Oh yeah, the lying, vile Price boys.
Hey I don’t really care who it is. But I know it is not a new poster.
Rimel me this, Rimel me that…BlueJay has nic switched as well.
Chas:
You listed a number of racist nutjobs. (at 4:14). You then wrote that a number of posters here are aligned with those racist nutjobs. Shall I post your own words, or are you man enough to at least admit you posted what you posted?
You didn’t name these posters however, simply claiming that “they know who they are.” When called on this slur, you then intimiated that I in particular was aligned with these racists. (at 5:19). Again, shall I post your own words, or are you man enough to own what you posted?
You made the smear, and then tried to deny it and walk away from it. I don’t think so. This’ll hang on you like stink on sh**.
I’ve cited the specific posts. Go ahead – tell me you didn’t write what you wrote. Call me a liar.
You’ve been called out, Chas. Tell me which LIES (yea, I can use all caps too) I didn’t back up. Show me anything I’ve said which isn’t supported by your own writing this thread. Go ahead – I dare ya. I double dare ya.
You can’t. I know it. You know it. But you don’t have the cahones to admit it.
We can all read, Chas. We know what you wrote. We also know you. You’ll twist, squirm, claim that 1+1=3, and deny what we can all see. We’ve seen it before, time and again.
No balls.
When you’re ready to man up, I’ll accept that apology.
The only person I ever met that admitted he was part of some far right extremist group that had racist and anarchist views was when I lived in Oklahoma. He was the guy who sprayed my lawn for weeds and bugs. I called him up because he had Christian lawn service on the side of his truck and he appeared to be a truly nice guy.
Out of the blue one day, when we were both standing in the front yard after his job was completing, he started telling me about his views on race and the conspiracy of government, blah blah.
I walked away from him before he could finish and he got the message I wanted nothing more to do with him.
Now that man was a nutcase.
There are those that exist like that, but a very small minority.
I keep my distance from nuts like that and don’t want to be associated with them. Ruby Ridge in the making with that guy.
Oh, this was right before the Federal Building in OKC was blown up. He was the first guy I thought of when it happened. You know, access to explosive materials and licensed to carry them commercially.
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 11:39 pm | Permalink
Regular… you sure the word was not Exorcise??
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Duh!
Better advise your buddy Rimel Chas, he doesn’t appear to know the difference.
GMC70,
Good luck with an apology.
I asked him to apologize for calling someone a Bitch the other week and his “apology” consisted of merely admitting what he said was over the line and then attempting to justify it.
Never once actually said he was sorry.
Were you there that day we came up with the list of things Chas will do in a post? Something like 8 steps of twisting and never admiting he is wrong?
LOL, I need to find that again.
GMC —
You better PROVE this one… I know better… And this aint it!!
“(at 5:19). Again, shall I post your own words, or are you man enough to own what you posted?”
HEHEHE
jr has nothing left but to accuse everyone of switching nics.
Is your boy still up reading the BLOG over your shoulder?
Have you told him the truth about his mother?
Put up your gun or fire it Nathan.
Know your place BlueJay.
Never mind… You sick bastard… I will post it MYSELF!!!
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
Keep it up GMC… With the way you are carrying on, you are starting to act like one of TH”EM folks!! LOL Watch yourself now… Be careful… You wouldnt want to step into any of that Bull Sh*t you are throwing around!!
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You are WRONG GMC… Again…. Please note that I did not say you ARE one of them… But, by the way you are carrying on, you are starting to act like one of them… Of course, acting like one of them does not make you ONE OF THEM!!! IDIOT!!
Or speak freely
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 11:43 pm
“I walked away from him before he could finish and he got the message I wanted nothing more to do with him.
Now that man was a nutcase.”
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Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ believes that scientists worldwide have had a conspiracy since the 1800’s to FALSIFY CO2 measurements. You have to be a “nutcase” to believe that.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384156
“In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
buh bye
Maybe “ANTI” is Hank?
Who can say?
I’ll discuss my son’s Mother if you discuss your son’s Mother Hank.
Nathan — Stop LYING, and SHUT UP!!!
Y’all take note now >>>>
Nathan
Posted December 25, 2007 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
JR,
I am not “speculating” on your motives.
I am commenting on your actions here, which ring of utter insincerity.
The “poster” which you have been talking about and continue to do so has a name. Not using the name doesn’t change the fact that you are indeed talking about him.
You have yet to add one substantive thing to this conversation other than trying to demean me or my father.
Shouldn’t you be looking at all your underage teenage girls websites getting your jollies right about now?
Chas,
Perhaps you should use a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word:
intimated
That was the word used by GMC70, he never said that you said he was one of them.
You should have just went to bed if this is what you came back to post.
It’s a deal jr. You go first.
Have you told him the truth yet?
Chas,
What am I lying about this time?
You called someone a Bitch and never apologized for it.
Not a lie.
You asked for it, Chas:
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
These “posters” are of the same mind as Bo Greitz, and Randy Weaver… And Timothy McVeigh; and the Posse Commitatus… and the various Militia groups…. such as the infamous Michigan Militia… and others….
Their bottom line is that they believe NO Court has authority over them, except for a County Court… No authority higher than the Sheriff…
They believe that the Federal Reserve is a Jewish Conspiracy, to control the MONEY of the United States… They refer to such people as JEW Bankers…. And politicians they oppose they call “African-American Politicians”(I wont use the N word on this Blog)
NOW, they see finances in an uproar, and a promising Black Man as the presumptive candidate for President of the United States.
They now believe their worst fears have become a reality… Blacks in charge of government, and Jews in charge of finance…
THUS, the vitriolic SMEAR campaigns from all corners of the Right Wing Agenda!!
NOW…. MANY of those people are posting daily on this very Blog…. They know who they are… And so do others who have even a half a brain to think with…
It is time to stand up to these maniacs, and let them know they arent going to get anywhere here… and that they can all go back to whatever Cuckoo’s Nest they came from…
Nuff said…
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Very nice.
You were then called out. Repeatedly. You ultimately responded with this:
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
Keep it up GMC… With the way you are carrying on, you are starting to act like one of TH”EM folks!! LOL Watch yourself now… Be careful… You wouldnt want to step into any of that Bull Sh*t you are throwing around!!
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Wanna call me a liar again? You posted a slur against unnamed “posters,” but the implication is clear – if you oppose Obama, or are a conservative, you are likely one of them.
You then focused that slur against me.
Wanna call me a liar again? Go ahead, Chas. Deny it. Try.
And you may be past an apology.
Chas,
Thank you for the post and link at 11:12 pm.
““APS Climate Change Statement
APS Position Remains Unchanged
…
Read: APS Climate Change Statement”
http://www.aps.org/ ”
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I’ll add it to my files — the dumb AGW deniers here will probably be repeating Boxlock’s false claim for a long, long time.
Furthermore, GMC… You wont find ANY PLACE where I called Pleefer a racist… He even outed himself as to the “Truth Movement”
Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
“You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050
Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink
“I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452
Hank wanted to open a can.
I’ll go there.
Why does Nathan call Hank’s wife “Joyce”?
SURELY it is not some progressive thing where Nathan is regarded as equal with his parents. As Hank still calls his 30 some year old son “boy”?
Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink
“Taz, you ignorant slut… I AM in Wichita LOL”
Nathaniel posted July 18, 2008 at 12:06 am
“You called someone a Bitch and never apologized for it.”
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MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812
“THE BTICH QUITS!”
Nathaniel posted June 7, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“I guess I can’t wear my T-Shirt now…
LIFE IS A %$#%$, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?“
BTW, I dont anticipate an apology, and none is necessary…. just be careful what you try to CLAIM that I post here from now on…
Get it??
Cosmos,
When Hilary asks for my apology, I will give it to her.
Otherwise, what is your point?
It was a joke I heard about a political T-shirt from a friend. Thought it would be funny to share here.
I even covered up the word because I didn’t want to post it.
Now, I must leave for now… Funeral service tomorrow morning… Bye all!! Have a nice full moon!!
Folks – I know an apology won’t come, and he owes that apology to many here who dare to disagree with him. Chas hasn’t the cahones to admit what poster after poster saw – just check out the response after his 4:19 post, and tell me his implication wasn’t immediately noticed.
Chas- I’m going to bead. You’re a small man, and not worth losing sleep over. But you’ll hear about this, again and again. Or you can grow up, be a man, admit you wrote what you wrote, admit that your accusations were a far too broad a brush, and apologize to those you’ve smeared.
A man would do so.
You won’t.
Chas,
Did you go look up the word yet?
intimated
Ok, that would be “bed” to where I’m going. It’s late.
GMC…. There is nothing to which I can apologize… Sorry, dude… YOU LOSE!!
Hey, if you want to defend the nut cases, fine… go for it!! I never named anybody… Not YOU Not Pleefer… not ANYBODY!! And you still havent found it yet!! You better give up… get some sleep…. do your own research… You even told Pleefer you didnt agree with it’s viewpoints… And, of course, neither do I… Guess that means we agree on that one…
Now, get off my case, unless you have something REAL to holler about!!
I NEVER CALLED ANYBODY ON THIS BLOG ONE OF THE NUT CASES…. I SAID THAT THERE ARE MANY ON THIS BLOG WHO POST THAT STUFF…
By their fruits you shall know them!!
Good night, Loser!!
GMC —
Please note… use all of your feeble brain power….
“admit you wrote what you wrote”
I NEVER DENIED WRITING WHAT I WROTE…. THESE PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS NUT CASES… AS A PROSECUTOR, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT… BUT HERE YOU ARE DEFENDING THEIR SORRY ASSES….
AND YOU DAMNED RIGHT I POSTED THAT CRAP ON THIS BLOG…. AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO POST HERE, WHO ARE PART OF THOSE GROUPS, OR AT LEAST SHARE THE LUNATIC IDEOLOGY!!
FIND SOME WHERE THAT I DENIED THAT, IDIOT!!
AND NO THERE WILL BE NO APOLOGY!! YOU SIT HERE DAILY AND SMEAR PEOPLE… AS YOU CALL IT… BUT SOMEHOW WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU SEEM TO FEEL ITS ALRIGHT… NOW THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT…. SO, WEAR IT, COWBOY…. LIVE WITH IT… THEY ARE REAL… THEY WALK AMONG US… THEY VOTE!!
NIGHT, LOSER!!
“Why does Nathan call Hank’s wife “Joyce”?”
Joyce is her name.
“SURELY it is not some progressive thing where Nathan is regarded as equal with his parents.”
I’m not sure if it’s progressive or not, but I consider my boy better than me. He’s a lot better man than I was at his age.
He’s pretty much paid his way since high school. Everything. When he was in high school he worked and pretty much paid for all his extras. We only provided him room and board.
Joyce is now his mother. She considers him her son. She speaks of him as her son. She brags on him as her son.
“As Hank still calls his 30 some year old son “boy”?”
I can’t remember how long I’ve called Nathaniel ‘boy’. Ever since he was a baby. It’s a term of endearment. Make of it what you will, means nothing to us.
He’s earned our respect. He was a good boy and now he’s a hell of a man.
Now it’s your turn. Where’s your boy’s momma?
Chas
Posted July 18, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink
“I NEVER CALLED ANYBODY ON THIS BLOG ONE OF THE NUT CASES…. I SAID THAT THERE ARE MANY ON THIS BLOG WHO POST THAT STUFF…”
Not even five minutes later…
Chas
Posted July 18, 2008 at 12:23 am | Permalink
“AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO POST HERE, WHO ARE PART OF THOSE GROUPS, OR AT LEAST SHARE THE LUNATIC IDEOLOGY!!”
“It’s a deal jr. You go first.
Have you told him the truth yet?”
Of course.
I of course defend my son’s mother to him.
Why do I get the sense that you an indefensibly late father Mr. Price?
You got that right, Nathan…. But I never NAMED anybody here…. You stupid FOOL!!!
Yes, I said FOOL!!! Because thats what you are, Nathan…
You of ALL PEOPLE should not even ACT as if you support those kinds of nut cases… You could be called into action to FIGHT them some day… And even KILL some of them… Which I would expect you to do in an armed confrontation…. You know, like Ruby Ridge??
And dont you even DARE to start to parse words with me, you little wimp… It wont work this time… Cause I wont ALLOW IT… So, just dont even start!!
Besides, I dont mention any names… and you dont post any… THUS, what I have said is TRUE… I never called anybody here one of those lunatics….
However, there are many who post here, who ARE part of those groups, or at the very least, part of what those groups stand for… namely, ANTI Government!!
Nathaniel posted July 18, 2008 at 12:12 am
“It was a joke I heard about a political T-shirt from a friend. Thought it would be funny to share here.”
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So you lied about owning a “Bitch” T-shirt? Lying is not very “Christian”.
“Why do I get the sense that you an indefensibly late father Mr. Price?”
I don’t know Mr. Rimel, why do you? Look into your own heart for your answer.
I don’t have any thing I need to be defensive about. I was a sailor when he was born. I went to sea most of his younger years. Sorry I missed them, but nothing to be defensive about.
Where’s your boy’s momma? You haven’t answered me yet.
Chas,
The whole point is that you are accusing someone here of being those lunatics and crazies you speak of.
Who are you talking about?
Then you intimated that GMC70 was one as well.
Who are these posters here who you are talking about?
Chas,
You won’t allow me to parse words with you?
LOL
Chas,
I am in the Marine Corps. When will I ever be called to fight someone like Ruby Ridge?
The military is not supposed to be used for such things.
Where’s your boy’s momma? You haven’t answered me yet.
Why do you have to defend her to your boy?
Well children, good night.
I’m done with my homework and I can go to bed now.
Nathan… Ruby Ridge was not someone… Ruby Ridge was a place… Military were used… just like at Waco… Put your thinking cap on…
And NO, Nathan, spin it any way you can, I did NOT intimate that GMC is one of those lunatics… I merely observed the way he was carrying on about it, he was acting like one of them… Geez… Must be that PTSD thing huh??
Aryan Nations web site
Christian Identity Movement web site
Michigan Militia web site…
BOOK: “The Turner Diaries” by William Luther Pierce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries
Many more….
One group of these “people” used to own and operate a radio station in Dodge City, KS… KTTL Radio….
You want Web Sites???
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/2749/C136/L136
Thats just one of HUNDREDS!!
One more time….
http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/2749/C136/L136
Chas
Posted July 17, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
Oh yea, another name to add to the above list… Erik Rudolph….
And, check out Morris Dees, and SPLC… A very complete listing of groups/organizations that embrace everything I have posted here…
Southern Poverty Law Center,
Morris Dees, Director
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp
It is NOT — I repeat — NOT nonsense… As GMC WANTS you to believe… It is, rather, very REAL, and very SCARY….
KFG can also tell you about some of these groups and individuals…
GMC… I said earlier, and repeat again… Those on the Blog KNOW who they are, who espouse the garbage of these militia style, and posse style groups… I will not list their “nics” because “nics” are all they are…
Boogity woogity Chas, pleasant dreams.
Just one more >>>>
http://americanpatriotnetwork.org/page52.html
This is for the church goers… living among the “sheen” of other things….
“kay, inform us Boxlock — how MANY of the “nearly 50,000 physicists” now “disbelieve in human-induced global warming”?
You posted the claim, so give us the number.”
I’ve gave you the link cosmos, all you have to do is click on it, you go read it.
Yours is a thinly veiled attempt to slide by on this one.
……………still waiting for you to get me fired boxtop.
……………I noticed my old friend, Barbara Fuller, was elected VP of the BOE. PLEASE, show her all of the subversive “data” you have on me!
http://www.aps.org/
“APS Climate Change Statement
APS Position Remains Unchanged
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
Read: APS Climate Change Statement”
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
Boxlock posted July 17, 2008 at 10:00 pm
“And Monckton has got a lot of respected folks standing with him as well, he’s not standing by himself cosmos.”
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‘Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered’
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
“The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.”
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H/T to a comment at,
‘JunkScience Lies: APS Offers Respectful Correction‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/junkscience-lies-aps-offers-respectful-correction
You don’t live in Kansas do you cosmos?
Why do you come to our blog and post your trash?
Chas
Posted July 18, 2008 at 4:01 am | Permalink
Just one more >>>>
http://americanpatriotnetwork.org/page52.html
This is for the church goers… living among the “sheen” of other things…
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You’re evidently not a church goer then Chas.
Thanks for admitting to it.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
WHY do you post LIES on this blog?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
http://americanpatriotnetwork.org/page52.html
This link is a STAB from the lunatic fringe sector against the Church(es) of mainstream society… It is yet another look behind their not so veiled programs of HATE…
Read it… It’s a wake up call for Church goers! Good grief!! These fringe groups make the Southern Baptist Convention look like raging liberals!!
News to you Chas. Southern Baptists are usually conservative by moral standards. However, when it comes to politics, I know democrats, libertarians, independents, republicans and even knew a green party member who are all Southern Baptists.
Political party affiliation is not the define-all definition, it’s a political party – that’s it.
Conduct and behavior varies from each individual.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 18, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
WHY do you post LIES on this blog?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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Prove that they are not cosmos.
All your data comes from blogs, not the actual papers.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
WHY do you LIE, and make really dumb troll posts on this blog?
Why don’t you post data from real peer review papers and show everyone what the scientists have really said, they might be shocked that you are the one that has been lying cosmos.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
WHY do you post really dumb LIES, and really dumb troll posts on this blog?
Here is one of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’’s climate scientists(sic),
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 17, 2008 at 11:18 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-717-2/#comment-385626
“n December last year, at the UN conference in Bali, I heard Viscount Monckton…”
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‘Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered’
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
“The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.”
totally liked bumping into this blog!!
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Nathaniel
Posted July 18, 2008 at 12:40 am | Permalink
Chas,
The whole point is that you are accusing someone here of being those lunatics and crazies you speak of.
Who are you talking about?
Then you intimated that GMC70 was one as well.
Who are these posters here who you are talking about?
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That would be me. I have been accused of actually eating books, by reg, the con-iver. And I totally agree: I “eat” books with my eyes, and “digest” them with my mind. I mean, that’s gotta be crazy, doesn’t it? After all, aren’t books supposed to be used as tp? That’s the impression I get from reg, the con-iver.