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Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered
From Physics & Society: July 2008, Volume 37, Number 3
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Abstract
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) concluded that anthropogenic CO2 emissions probably caused more than half of the “global warming” of the past 50 years and would cause further rapid warming. However, global mean surface temperature has not risen since 1998 and may have fallen since late 2001. The present analysis suggests that the failure of the IPCC’s models to predict this and many other climatic phenomena arises from defects in its evaluation of the three factors whose product is climate sensitivity:
1. Radiative forcing deltaF;
2. The no-feedbacks climate sensitivity parameter kappa and
3. The feedback multiplier f
Some reasons why the IPCC’s estimates may be excessive and unsafe are explained. More importantly, the conclusion is that, perhaps, there is no “climate crisis”, and that currently-fashionable efforts by governments to reduce anthropogenic CO2 emissions are pointless, may be ill-conceived, and could even be harmful.
More here
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
Don’t laugh: Global warming is going to increase kidney stones
The “reasoning” below is that kidney stones are more prevalent in warmer areas of the USA and that they are therefore caused by warmth. That’s just epidemiological speculation, however. People in some warmer parts of the USA do get more kidney stones but is that BECAUSE OF the warmth? Bacteria are being increasingly implicated in kidney stone formation so it could (for instance) be due to differing prevalence of bacteria in the areas concerned. Note also that kidney stone prevalence is high in the Great Lakes area, which is not exactly the warmest part of the USA
More Americans are likely to suffer from kidney stones in the coming years as a result of global warming, according to researchers at the University of Texas.
Kidney stones, which are formed from dissolved minerals in the urine and can be extremely painful, are often caused by caused by dehydration, either by not drinking enough liquid or losing too much due to high heat conditions. If global warming trends continue as projected by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007, the United States can expect as much as a 30 percent growth in kidney stone disease in some of its driest areas, said the findings published in Monday’s Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The increased incidence of disease would represent between 1.6 million and 2.2 million cases by 2050, costing the US economy as much as one billion dollars in treatment costs.
“This study is one of the first examples of global warming causing a direct medical consequence for humans,” said Margaret Pearle, professor of urology at University of Texas Southwestern and senior author of the paper. “When people relocate from areas of moderate temperature to areas with warmer climates, a rapid increase in stone risk has been observed. This has been shown in military deployments to the Middle East for instance.”
The lead author of the research, Tom Brikowski, compared kidney stone rates with UN forecasts of temperature increases and created two mathematical models to predict the impact on future populations. One formula showed an increase in the southern half of the country, including the already existing “kidney stone belt” of the southeastern states of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.
The other showed that the increase would be concentrated in the upper Midwest. “Similar climate-related changes in the prevalence of kidney-stone disease can be expected in other stone belts worldwide,” the study said.
Source
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080714210823.ys7a8mb8&show_article=1
There’s “global friggin warming” and then there’s this. But don’t let me interrupt.
It’s just a bank in California, Pleefer. Hell, California isn’t even part of the US any more. They just don’t realize it yet!
You believe it’ll stop there eh?
Ok.
I’m going with the thought that it’s an early warning sign, but that’s just me.
Ignore me.
But, you’re right, La Reconquista is happening as we speak.
We had anthropogenic CO2 emissions to lead us through and to be honest it was very boring. This was definately the prevalence in the failure so far. We went inside and saw professor, which was most impressive.
Wha???
Exactly.
Indeed.
Banks are businesses. Run a business poorly and it fails. Run a bank poorly and it fails.
I use my banks to transfer assets, not keep them. If my bank fails I’ll use a different one. No problem.
California banks are in trouble because the real estate bubble is collapsing. People ask why the real estate prices are falling. The question should be how they got so inflated in the first place.
Good morning Regular! We need to do lunch some day. I’ll invite the boy and we’ll tell Mr Rimel so he can do drivebys!
Aren’t I invited?
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HLP
Posted July 15, 2008 at 6:50 am | Permalink
Good morning Regular! We need to do lunch some day. I’ll invite the boy and we’ll tell Mr Rimel so he can do drivebys!
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Hey Hank!
Mornin’ back at ya.
Sounds good to me, have stomach, will travel. :)
Good morning Apophis! I trust you had a good trip. Did you get over to the Museum of Science and Industry?
I would really like to see the U-505 again since they moved it.
“The question should be how they got so inflated in the first place.”
Your answer to that question would be??? This should be good.
There is no reason to be concerned that there are now runs on banks? The 1930’s were a good period of U.S. history? Further deregulation will get us out of these problems, how, exactly?
It is a good thing that U.S. voters will see fit to soon take the reins of power away from ideologues who got us into to this mess in the first place.
Rove at Fox News – no problem, no conflicts of interest, there. You guys are just too much:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/pl_nm/rove_dc_1
Please help yourself to another heaping helping of the conservative KoolAide.
Here’s the deal.
The same elite, not 19 arabs based in a cave, who brought us 9-11-01 are also bringing us economic warfare in which to bring about the engineered coming depression. This will have us beg for mercy and mercy WILL BE THE North American Union. Laugh all you want or get yourselves and families prepared.
I wish it was just a simple “housing bubble”.
Greetings, all. I’m a newbie here at WE Blog.
I promise not to be a pest about this subject on these pages, but: Via the website Kansas Cyclist, I found this story
http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/bikes2008-07-08T20-59-02
in the Hutchinson paper about the increase in bike sales that dealers there have experienced. I’ve not run across similar stories in the Eagle, but the irony of the Hutch story is that it includes a brief interview with Byron Flick, the owner of Heartland Bicycles here in town.
I’ve recently begun using a bike as my primary mode of transportation, and though one person does not a trend make, I’ve noticed more folks on bikes of late–and not just here in the Riverside area. There’s also the curiosity that, as I posted about in my cycling blog here
http://cyclinginwichita.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-have-our-work-cut-out-for-us.html
Wichita ranks 3rd from the bottom among the 50 largest U.S. cities in terms of the percentage of people who cycle to work. So anyway, I’m just wondering aloud, and in the direction of the Eagle staff, whether the local paper has plans to report on cycling and cyclists. Given the rise in gas prices, environmental concerns, obvious health benefits, and whether and to what extent the city should encourage cycling as a practical mode of transportation, it would seem to me that stories on such issues would be of interest to many readers.
Liberal Democrats: Freedom of Speech Unless it’s against Obama
Some bloggers opposed to Barack Obama say they suspect Obama’s supporters — with the assistance of Google — may have tried to censor them when the Internet giant froze their Web sites for five days last month.
Seven blogs run by Democrats who oppose Obama’s nomination for the presidency were incorrectly flagged as spam sites by Blogger, the hosting service Google has owned since 2003. Google says it was an automated response from a spam filter.
cont’d at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,382452,00.html
Heheheheh. OMG, too funny.
Poodle dancing. For real. It’s the latest craze in Japan.
And the WEBlog….
http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/8818534
Alright where the heck is GMC anyway.
Here, P-mom. Why?
I’ll comment when there’s something I think is worthy of comment. But there’s not.
So – whatchawant?
When I read about the GW / kidney stone news I hoped it would be included in the daily feud. Glad you found and posted that Hank. Wouldn’t want to leave out any of the important details since y’all are so close to getting the whole problem sorted out!
Maybe this will finally be the good news out of Wichita — WE Bloggers not only got to the root of the GW controversy, but solved other world problems with ease! It has been proven there are more know-it-alls in Wichita, Kansas, than any other place in the world!
Won’t we all be proud when they finally take note and listen to us.
Pmom if contacting GMC is in regards to your friends problem with the Eldorado PD your probably better off talking to the District Attorney or even the Attorney General.
http://www.bucoks.com/depts/attorney/Office.htm#staff
More from the Kidney Stone Department of Pulling Numbers Completely Out of Your Ass:
“The increased incidence of disease would represent between 1.6 million and 2.2 million cases by 2050, costing the US economy as much as one billion dollars in treatment costs.”
In the year 2525 If man is still alive If woman can survive…
Having trouble making up your mind who to vote for?
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/v-34/file003.jpg
Heheheheh. At least they are equal opportunity offenders. The phelps gang of thugs plans to picket Tony Snow’s funeral.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3617847
KFG, is protesting funerals something that makes you laugh?
KFG, your delight is horrible.
It do suck when the shiv cuts both ways don’t it cons?
Let me guess BlueJay, you are one of those that thinks Snow was a Nazi. That is your marching order as of late isn’t it?
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadifference,/
idiot.
Give me an “Amen” brother BlueJay!
RAMEN brother Apophis!
I stand corrected…………………………..”RAMEN”, it is!
Man Remodeling Home Kills Intruder, Deputies Say
Man Awoke To Find Someone In Home, Fired Shots
http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/16886848/detail.html#-
“LAURENS, S.C. — Deputies said a man who was sleeping in a home he was remodeling shot and killed an intruder who woke him up early Tuesday morning.”
the reason she’s laughing is because non of the cons say a word about when Phelps is protesting a gay person’s funeral. The cons perpetuate this ‘us against them’ belief for the GLBT communities.
Tony was part of that network.
I don’t say anything about Phelps because I don’t want to perpetuate the scumbag and his family.
Sometimes silence speaks volumes, especially if you don’t give attention to the foul people of the earth.
non of the cons say a word about when Phelps is protesting a gay person’s funeral.
Bullsh*%. NEVER, NEVER, has anyone here defended the foul behavior of Phelps band of idiots. KFG goes out of her way to attempt to tar anyone she disagrees with with the broad brush of Phelps; it’s wrong, of course, and she knows it, but also knows that intimating the association fouls anyone she can associatiate with that band of lunatics.
But NO ONE – I say again – NO ONE has ever defended these people. Some, on both “sides,” have defended his right to speak, but NO ONE has EVER defended his position.
Never.
You know better, P-mom.
Exactly GMC70.
“the GLBT communities”
Does the “Bi” part of those initials mean they will hump anybody? Male or Female?
Just wondering.
Yeah, Regular, that’s a temptation. But the foul people continue to exist and pollute our lives and we’re too civilized to do anything about it.
A shame.
Dennis
We haven’t seen forgetfulness like this since Nixon!
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/463706.html
Committee says fuzzy memories hurt Tillman probe
By SCOTT LINDLAW
SAN FRANCISCO – A “striking lack of recollection” by White House and military officials prevented congressional investigators from determining who was responsible for misinformation spread after the friendly fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman, a House committee said Monday.
Although military investigators determined within days that the onetime NFL player was killed by his own troops in Afghanistan following an enemy ambush, five weeks passed before the circumstances of his death were made public. During that time, the Army claimed Tillman was killed by enemy fire.
Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said in April 2007 that his goal was to discern the genesis of the misinformation. “Was it the result of incompetence, miscommunication or a deliberate strategy?” he said.
The panel acknowledged Monday it had fallen short of this goal. The committee received a flurry of White House e-mails sent as the Bush administration responded to Tillman’s death, but no documents about friendly fire. The committee interviewed several top White House officials about the case, but “not a single one could recall when he learned about the fratricide or what he did in response,” it said in its 48-page report.
The committee reported a similar lack of information relating to misinformation surrounding Pvt. Jessica Lynch, who was rescued from an Iraqi hospital after she was badly injured and captured in a 2003 ambush. The committee examined how the story of the ambush of her convoy was changed into a tale of heroism on her part.
“As the committee investigated the Tillman and Lynch cases, it encountered a striking lack of recollection,” the report said.
The panel concluded that the lack of information “makes it impossible for the committee to assign responsibility for the misinformation in Corporal Tillman’s and Private Lynch’s cases.”
Jim Wilkinson, a onetime White House official who was communications director for U.S. Central Command, told the committee he did not know where the false information on Lynch originated, or who disseminated it.
In the case of Tillman’s April 22, 2004, death, White House officials generated nearly 200 e-mails on the matter the day after, the committee found. Politics seemed to fuel the administration’s interest: Several of the e-mails came from the staff of President Bush’s re-election campaign, urging Bush to respond publicly.
The White House “rushed” to release a public statement of condolence at about noon on April 23.
But in doing so, the White House violated a military policy enacted into law by Bush himself in 2003, the committee found. The Military Family Peace of Mind Act bars the announcement of a casualty until 24 hours after a family is notified.
The Defense Department, adhering to the policy, had not yet publicly confirmed Tillman’s death when the White House released Bush’s statement of condolence.
Realizing this belatedly, White House spokewoman Claire Buchan warned her colleagues in an e-mail: “alert – do not use Tillman statement.” But news services were already running the White House statement.
The White House also failed to determine whether information about Tillman’s death was classified, the committee found. Tillman’s Ranger unit was routinely involved in sensitive operations along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Then-White House communications director Dan Bartlett told the committee he had approved release of the president’s statement because of intense news media interest.
The committee cited one exchange between White House political chief Karl Rove and Ron Fournier, then a political reporter for The Associated Press.
In a chain under the subject line “H-E-R-O,” Rove replied to an e-mail from Fournier by saying, “How does our country continue to produce men and women like this?”
Fournier replied, “The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight.”
Fournier, now the AP’s acting Washington bureau chief, said Monday: “I was an AP political reporter at the time of the 2004 e-mail exchange, and was interacting with a source, a top aide to the president, in the course of following an important and compelling story. I regret the breezy nature of the correspondence.”
The story of Tillman, a man who gave up a lucrative career in professional sports to serve in the Army, “made the American people feel good about our country … and our military,” Bartlett told the committee. But he acknowledged the statement might “set a precedent.”
Another frenzy of White House activity took place, well out of public view, in the days leading up to a Bush speech on Tillman to the annual White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, the committee found.
While Bush and other presidents have often delivered humorous remarks to the gathering, Bush had “got singed pretty bad” the previous year for making what some critics perceived as inappropriate joking remarks during wartime, Bartlett said. So the White House made a deliberate decision to “pay tribute to the troops,” and made Tillman’s death the week before the centerpiece, he said.
Speechwriters and fact-checkers expended hundreds of words in e-mail memos trying to confirm that Tillman and his brother Kevin had joined the Army because of the attacks of Sept. 11, but could not do so, because the brothers had rarely or never spoken publicly about it.
Nevertheless, Bush’s remarks to the correspondents’ association contained what one White House official admitted was a “speculative” statement by Bush: “Friends say that this young man saw the images of September the 11th, and seeing that evil, he felt called to defend America.”
White House spokesman Trey Bohn said Monday that officials there cooperated extensively with the committee during its investigation.
“The report contains no evidence that the White House said anything incorrect or misleading regarding the death of Corporal Tillman,” Bohn said. “Our thoughts and prayers remain with the Tillman family.”
The authors of the new report carefully avoided assigning blame or intent in either the Tillman or Lynch cases. But, they concluded: “In both cases, affirmative acts created new facts that were significantly different than what the soldiers in the field knew to be true. And in both cases, the fictional accounts proved to be compelling public narratives at difficult times in the war.”
The committee also looked into the case of Army Spc. Jesse Buryj of Canton, Ohio. It took nine months for his family to learn that his death in Iraq in May 2004 was not the result of an accidental vehicle crash as they were first told. He was killed by fire from U.S. or Polish soldiers in Karbala after a dump truck hurtled through a checkpoint and crashed into the armored vehicle in which he was riding.
Buryj’s parents accepted an invitation to meet Bush at a July 2004 campaign rally. They told investigators they had pressed Bush to help them find answers about their son’s death, and said Bush agreed to help.
“A few months later, a Bush-Cheney campaign official contacted the family,” the congressional investigators found. “Rather than offer assistance, the official asked Specialist Buryj’s mother to appear in a campaign commercial for the president. Mrs. Buryj refused.”
“We haven’t seen forgetfulness like this since Nixon!”
I think we could nominate some people much later that him. Maybe like this:
“I do not recall.” “I have no specific memory of that conversation.” “As I told the grand jury.”
Clinton pleads forgetfulness at least 17 times in his 24-page response. In 20 instances, the president refers to his previous sworn answers or to the favorable testimony of other witnesses, such as friend Vernon Jordan.
Or, maybe this:
“COULD THERE be something in the water at the White House that causes memory loss? Bill Clinton, said to have an excellent memory for facts, figures and events when he assumed the presidency, often lapsed into forgetfulness when pressed for details of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.”
How about this?
“Hillary Clinton was famous in 1996 for being forgetful about the work she did on Whitewater at the Rose Law firm. And the ex-president was far more famous, or infamous, for being forgetful about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.”
Say hellow to STAGFLATION:
Inflation grows at fastest pace in 27 years
June wholesale prices surge 1.8%, propelled by soaring gas and food costs; biggest monthly rise since November.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/15/news/economy/prices_june.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008071510
For “Nathaniel” –
America’s Shooting Gallery 7.14.08
* FL: The Orange County Sheriff’s Office responded to a shooting in the parking lot near a theater complex at Downtown Disney. Giovanny Munoz Perez, 33, of Haines City, was returning to his car with his 12-year-old son; while getting into the car, his .40 caliber Glock accidentally discharged striking him in the left leg.
* OH: Twinsburg Police say 33-year-old Officer Joshua Miktarian was shot and killed early Sunday morning during a traffic stop.
Ashford Thompson, 23, was arrested by but there’s no word on a motive in the shooting. Officer Miktarian was an 11-year police veteran. He leaves behind a wife and a three-and-a-half month old daughter.
* PA: Cheri Baker, 29, stopped by the home of her estranged husband, 32-year-old Matthew Baker when he shot Cheri in the head with a .22 caliber rifle. He then set the house on fire before shooting himself in the head.
* TX: Nearly one month ago, convicted steroids trafficker, David Jacobs, 35, shot and killed himself and his girlfriend, Amanda Earhart-Savell, 30, a professional figure competitor and fitness magazine cover girl. Jacobs, an embittered dealer, alleged that NFL players used his drugs. But he publicly named only one: Matt Lehr. Lehr confirmed that he and Amanda had dated and were in love.
KY: An argument early Sunday morning leaves one dead and one severely injured. George Reynolds shot his daughter Serena Kirtley and then shot and killed himself at Kirtley’s home in Henderson County.
* CA: William Herrman, 70, was shot and killed by a shotgun blast during a tournament at a skeet shooting range, police said Sunday. Authorities said the firearm, belonging to one of the men in the group, unintentionally discharged and struck Herrman. Police are currently investigating how the fatal shot was fired.
* AL: A 22-year-old Headland man, Joseph “Bubba” Tyler Hancock, died after he unintentionally shot himself. Hancock was holding a .40-caliber Springfield pistol when it discharged and a bullet hit him in the head.
* TX: A Dallas City Marshal was wounded Sunday morning when his weapon unintentionally discharged and shot him in the leg. The unidentified marshal was at a detention facility that is used for holding people who have been arrested for public intoxication.
* \KY: Responding to a domestic disturbance call, two Lexington police officers, Matthew Jordan and J. Michael Smith, found Warren Douglas Rayburn, 44, inside the house holding a Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle. After Rayburn would not obey the officers’ orders to put the weapon down, the officers shot the man multiple times. Rayburn is in critical condition.
* MS: Church offers prayers for police officer Dewayne Collier. Last week, police say suspects Cornelius Black and Antonio Turner shot veteran Jackson Police Officer Dewayne Collier after he responded to a robbery at Title Loan on Highway 80 West. They believe the suspects also robbed Popeye’s Restaurant also on Highway 80. Police say the suspects shot 37-year-old Collier in the side and in the head.
A look at climate change over the last 12,000 years. Seems a little more scientific than just looking at 124 years doesn’t it?
Plenty of graphs for you cosmo.
As we go back in time in search of earlier records, the historical record becomes less reliable. Fortunately, Nature has provided its own recording mechanism. As we will explain in Chapter 4, measurements of oxygen isotopes yield an estimate of ancient temperatures combined with total global ice volume – a combination which is just as interesting as temperature alone, if not more so. Data from a kilometer long core taken from the Greenland glacier, as part of the Greenland Ice Sheet Project “GISP2″ , are shown in Figure 1-2. For comparison purposes, the zero of temperature scale for this plot was set to match that of the previous plot. For historical interest, we marked some events from European history.
The cool period preceding the 20th century warming is now seen as a dip that lasted 700 years. This period is now referred to as “the little ice age.” (The coldest periods, near 1400 and 1700, are sometimes called the two little ice ages.) In her popular account of the history of the 14th century, historian Barbara W. Tuchman, argues that the low temperatures triggered social conflict and poor food production, and was thus responsible for hunger, war, and possibly even pestilence . Just a few centuries prior, at the beginning of the second millennium, Europe had experienced the “medieval warm period” . It was a time when civilization emerged from the Dark Ages, art and painting flourished, and the wealth and new productivity of Europe allowed it to build the great cathedrals. Some historians will attribute this flowering to great leaders, or to great ideas, or to great inventions, but it is foolish to ignore the changes in climate. Just prior to that, in the 900s, the Vikings were invading France, possibly driven from the more northern latitudes by the cold temperatures of that century. The height of the Roman republic and empire was reached during another time of unusual warmth – even higher than the warm period of today, if the ice-reckoned temperature scale is accurate.
The next plot (Figure 1-3) shows the data from the Greenland ice core back to 10,000 BC. Near the right hand side of this plot, the little dip of the little ice age is clear. Some scientists argue that global warming is not human caused, but is simply a natural return to the normal temperature of the previous 8,000 years.
http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBook/history_of_climate.html
Go here and enter in 1998 as the first year to display and 2008 as the last year to display. Base period beg year = 1895 and base period end year = 2008.
What does that pesky little graph show you?
Good Morning Ben!
I appreciate you’re little contributions each day about the military! For many of us the war on terror is nothing more than the occasional soundbite on the news.
I appreciate that you take the time to remind us of the sacrifices many service men and women are making to make us safe.
I’m sure that there are many stories that aren’t nearly as uplifting as the ones you bring to us, thanks for your support of the troops!
12,000 years? We like to look at at least a million years for the recent record.
Ben,
Strange how the graphs posted here only represent data from 1895 to present. If you have graphs of a greater period, please share.
Good morning Hank. Just want to make sure all sides are presented.
Of course Ben,
You’re doing a geat job, what with the MSM being so one sided and all!
Yep – the MSM helped sell the war; now at least McClatchy is covering it.
Ben,
Do you have graphs or other data showing the climate change over the last million or so years?
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=41&tstamp=200709
Only about 350,000 years on the graph – it has been extended back further.
I have textbooks that look back a LOT further – however with continents wandering around the globe their interpretation gets more difficult.
The problem using ice core samples is they do not know for sure if warmer periods melted the trapped gas and then lowered the ice levels, thus yielding inaccurate time lineage and readings from the wrong era.
It is very obvious from paleontological and geological records of fossils, sediment layers and etc. that there were warmer periods and colder periods. The tropical swamp lands when dinosaurs roamed and the ice age when the wooly mammoth walked the earth.
Heck, you know they found mammoth tusks and bone fragments right here on Kellogg during the construction phase.
So Kansas was once under a massive amount of ice and snow; before that it was under an ocean.
The false conclusion of the present day climate alarmists is just pure bunkum. Not only have there been warmer and colder periods, the climate shows a natural up and down cycle, dependent on sun spots and orbital axis presentation.
From your graph, it looks like temps are decreasing as CO2 increases. How is that explained?
It also looks like a pattern that doesn’t change much – we are where we are supposed to be.
I found a graph too that shows us in a cooling trend.
Sol – I don’t think the graphs show that 0- rather quite the opposite.
Suggestion: Geology 810S at WSU this fall. Paleoclimatology. A fascinating class.
Ben,
It is from your graph. CO2 is still rising while temps are decreasing. How is that explained?
“Suggestion: Geology 810S at WSU this fall. Paleoclimatology. A fascinating class.”
I know this will sound like an elitist excuse, but some things cannot be efficiently reduced to sound bites.
“Other than that, Mrs. Lincloln, how did you like the play?”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IAIv0vmY4qs&feature=user
Sol – i assume you are referring to the most recent time. That is due to lags since CO2 is preceeding T which is the reverse of what happened during the Milankovitch cycles. That is part of what made paleoclimatology so fascinating. And, we looked at HOW the various forcers impacted temp and then how temp both fed back to forcers and also impacted other aspects of climate (for example rainfall patterns). Today’s deserts were savannahs doring the lact glaciation – todays savannahs are now desertifying as the jet migrates to higher latitudes.
The frightening thing is that CO2 is far OUTSIDE the envelope of the Milankovitch cycles.
Steven – I agree. I have a presentation that takes about an hour – almost exclusively about the past (and no, cave men did NOT drive SUVs) and only looking briefly to the future. The key is to use the past to develop a foundation of understanding of the mechanisms in order to look forward.
geologist’s motto – “the present is the key to the past” meaning that is we understand physical processes we can look at rocks etc and deduce how they got there. I then extend that to “the present and the past are the key to the future”
Again – I recommend the class. A bit difficult at times but well worth the effort.
before and after
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUx0AmJG_c
cosmos does not like paleo-climatologists, he says they are wrong, even though they have decades of experience and PhD’s in the subject.
So, one class at WSU wouldn’t help anything to convince cosmos.
If it ain’t the gospel according to the Goracle, it must be wrong.
But you know,
cosmos is not a scientist.
“The problem using ice core samples is they do not know for sure if warmer periods melted the trapped gas and then lowered the ice levels, thus yielding inaccurate time lineage and readings from the wrong era.” — Regular
Gas doesn’t melt, idiot.
CO2 is not the only forcer – in fact the Milankovitch cycles were triggered by orbital factors and ice-albedo. CO2 then amplified the effect.
This shows the combination of anthropogenic CO2 and other forcers. It also shows why temps have stabalized a bit over the past few years – a period when natural forcers should have led to a slight cooling.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=62&tstamp=200802
Even with this temporary stabalization we are far above the temp levels before 2000.
Ben,
By looking at your graph, our time period is showing an increase in CO2 and an irrefutable cooling trend.
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Ice cores from Antarctica show that at the end of recent ice ages, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere usually started to rise only after temperatures had begun to climb. There is uncertainty about the timings, partly because the air trapped in the cores is younger than the ice, but it appears the lags might sometimes have been 800 years or more.
This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages – but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet.
We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas because it absorbs and emits certain frequencies of infrared radiation. Basic physics tells us that gases with this property trap heat radiating from the Earth, that the planet would be a lot colder if this effect was not real and that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will trap even more heat.
What is more, CO2 is just one of several greenhouses gases, and greenhouse gases are just one of many factors affecting the climate. There is no reason to expect a perfect correlation between CO2 levels and temperature in the past: if there is a big change in another climate “forcing”, the correlation will be obscured.
So why has Earth regularly switched between ice ages and warmer interglacial periods in the past million years? It has long been thought that this is due to variations in Earth’s orbit, known as Milankovitch cycles. These change the amount and location of solar energy reaching Earth. However, the correlation is not perfect and the heating or cooling effect of these orbital variations is small. It has also long been recognised that they cannot fully explain the dramatic temperature switches between ice ages and interglacials.
So if orbital changes did cause the recent ice ages to come and go, there must also have been some kind of feedback effect that amplified the changes in temperatures they produced. Ice is one contender: as the great ice sheets that covered large areas of the planet during the ice ages melted, less of the Sun’s energy would have been reflected back into space, accelerating the warming. But the melting of ice lags behind the beginning of interglacial periods by far more than the rises in CO2.
“But you know,
cosmos is not a scientist.”
But I am. That is why I suggest the course.
So Ben, does your one course make you more qualified than these two paleo-climatologists?
cosmos doesn’t like them and even though cosmos is not a scientist, he says they are discredited.
A lot of bunkum from cosmos, the non-scientist wouldn’t you say?
Paleoclimatologist Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor of the Department of Earth Sciences at University of Ottawa, reversed his views on man-made climate change after further examining the evidence. “I used to agree with these dramatic warnings of climate disaster. I taught my students that most of the increase in temperature of the past century was due to human contribution of C02. The association seemed so clear and simple. Increases of greenhouse gases were driving us towards a climate catastrophe,” Clark said in a 2005 documentary “Climate Catastrophe Cancelled: What You’re Not Being Told About the Science of Climate Change.” “However, a few years ago, I decided to look more closely at the science and it astonished me. In fact there is no evidence of humans being the cause. There is, however, overwhelming evidence of natural causes such as changes in the output of the sun. This has completely reversed my views on the Kyoto protocol,” Clark explained. “Actually, many other leading climate researchers also have serious concerns about the science underlying the [Kyoto] Protocol,” he added.
Paleoclimatologist Tim Patterson, of Carlton University in Ottawa converted from believer in C02 driving the climate change to a skeptic. “I taught my students that CO2 was the prime driver of climate change,” Patterson wrote on April 30, 2007. Patterson said his “conversion” happened following his research on “the nature of paleo-commercial fish populations in the NE Pacific.” “[My conversion from believer to climate skeptic] came about approximately 5-6 years ago when results began to come in from a major NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada) Strategic Project Grant where I was PI (principle investigator),” Patterson explained. “Over the course of about a year, I switched allegiances,” he wrote. “As the proxy results began to come in, we were astounded to find that paleoclimatic and paleoproductivity records were full of cycles that corresponded to various sun-spot cycles. About that time, [geochemist] Jan Veizer and others began to publish reasonable hypotheses as to how solar signals could be amplified and control climate,” Patterson noted. Patterson says his conversion “probably cost me a lot of grant money. However, as a scientist I go where the science takes me and not were activists want me to go.” Patterson now asserts that more and more scientists are converting to climate skeptics. “When I go to a scientific meeting, there’s lots of opinion out there, there’s lots of discussion (about climate change). I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority,” Patterson told the Winnipeg Sun on February 13, 2007. Patterson, who believes the sun is responsible for the recent warm up of the Earth, ridiculed the environmentalists and the media for not reporting the truth. “But if you listen to [Canadian environmental activist David] Suzuki and the media, it’s like a tiger chasing its tail. They try to outdo each other and all the while proclaiming that the debate is over but it isn’t — come out to a scientific meeting sometime,” Patterson said. In a separate interview on April 26, 2007 with a Canadian newspaper, Patterson explained that the scientific proof favors skeptics. “I think the proof in the pudding, based on what (media and governments) are saying, (is) we’re about three quarters of the way (to disaster) with the doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere,” he said. “The world should be heating up like crazy by now, and it’s not. The temperatures match very closely with the solar cycles.”
Sol – we were in a slight cooling trend prior to the mid-20th century. You claim that we are now “an irrefutable cooling trend” is false.
“So why has Earth regularly switched between ice ages and warmer interglacial periods in the past million years?” That is what my presenattion is about – and is one of the things covered in paleoclimatology.
“So if orbital changes did cause the recent ice ages to come and go, there must also have been some kind of feedback effect that amplified the changes in temperatures they produced.” That is what I already said. CO2 and ice-albedo are the biggies.
In fact – ice is so important that the presence of Antarctica as a platform was needed to put us into this overall cyclic system. The ‘almost closing’ of the Arctic Ocean was also a major factor. Additionally, closing off the equatorial current with the Isthmus of Panama was important.
Understanding past climates – especially going back even further with different continental alignments, is a lot of fun.
“changes in the output of the sun”
That would have been expected to warm the stratosphere and then the troposphere. The opposite has occurred – the stratosphere has cooled. That is consistent with CO2 forcing rather than external (solar) forcing.
No regular – I do not use either cosmos or gore as my sources. I use the vast majority of climatologists – and also I read what theskeptics say. I am on Heartland’s mailing list so I get their skeptical articles directly from them.
Solar cycles (which are fairly short) are included among the natural forcers on one of the links I provided above. Volcanoes are another ‘cooler’ force.
You forgot positive feedbacks which is a magnifier of energies and natural oscillations like El Nino affect climate.
Stratosphere cooling:
http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp
“The average surface temperature on Venus is a very toasty 894 ?F! However, Venus’s upper atmosphere is a startling 4-5 times colder than Earth’s upper atmosphere.”
No regular, I did not. You are lying.
As StevenDavis notes – this topic is not amenable to soundbites.
ENSO is another of the natural forcers in the graph I already linked above.
I wasn’t lying, you didn’t mention it. Water vapor is the largest greenhouse gas and is a positive feedback.
Postive feedbacks defined by laws of energy (physics) amplify or direct energies to higher levels, in this case heat.
IPCC has left their computer climate models basically unsound with a pittance of data and little research in methodology figuring out water vapors role in climate change.
Without really understanding water vapor and its physics, the largest greenhouse gas by far, the effects of any climate change alarmism would be irrelevant.
I didn’t mention it does not mean I forgot it. I didn’t mention that day and night alternate either. Or winter and summer.
Yes, they are all there – including water vapor. And including clouds that can be either + or -. And including volcanoes. And including sunspots. And including ENSO.
That is why this does not lend itself to sound bites.
I’m sure I left some more things out of the list above. CH4. N2O.
It is an interesting study.
Ben,
Can you see the pattern in your graph? We are peaking below the highs of the past. To continue that pattern, cooling is in our future. With such radical changes over time, I don’t understand how you can assume that man would have any influence over the established pattern of the last 400,000 years.
“bth
Posted July 15, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
CO2 is not the only forcer – in fact the Milankovitch cycles were triggered by orbital factors and ice-albedo. CO2 then amplified the effect.”
regular – ‘amplified’ indicates a positive feedback loop. I have frequently mentioned those.
So, your claim that “You forgot positive feedbacks which is a magnifier of energies” is false.
REPLY FROM DR. SUN
“You are right that no data have shown that those biases will not be removed. We are just mentioning the possibility that there could be error cancellation as global warming may involve more processes that those in ENSO, and the errors may cancel in such a way that prediction of global warming by these models that have these errors may actually get the answer right. It is just a possibility worth mentioning.”
The message from the Sun et al. study, therefore, is that the models used to make the multi-decadal global climate projections that are reported in the IPCC report are “…that underestimating the negative feedback from cloud albedo and overestimating the positive feedback from the greenhouse effect of water vapor over the tropical Pacific during ENSO is a prevalent problem of climate models.”
This study indicates that the IPCC models are overpredicting global warming in response to positive radiative forcing.
http://climatesci.org/2008/05/13/tropical-water-vapor-and-cloud-feedbacks-in-climate-models-a-further-assessment-using-coupled-simulations-by-de-zheng-sun-yongqiang-yu-and-tao-zhang/
Sol – cooling MIGHT be in the future several thousand years from now. But not in the ‘near term’ (centuries). In fact, with CO2 as much higher today than an interglacial is higher than a glacial I don’t know that even a complete Milankovitch glaciation cycle would trigger much cooling.
And yes, Sol, I do see the pattern. That is the pattern that has repeated so many times throughout the Holocene.
Sol – enroll in the class. Like I said, soundbites don’t work. My presentation about the glaciation cycles goes through the feedback mechanisms that drove those cycles over the past million years.
Ben,
The commute would kill me. I live in Michigan.
Global warming prediction score card :
Won-Lost-Tied
1-27-4
With a one and twenty seven record, I wouldn’t bet on that horse. Not even with your money ;-b
http://icecap.us/docs/change/GreenhouseWarmingScorecard.pdf
“We are just mentioning the possibility that there could be error cancellation as global warming may involve more processes that those in ENSO, and the errors may cancel in such a way that prediction of global warming by these models that have these errors may actually get the answer right. It is just a possibility worth mentioning.”
Note that Dr. Sun does not say the biases are there – just that it is a possibility worth mentioning. He also does not claim that warming is not happening – only that the projections might ‘maybe’ be high.
Other scientists believe they are likely to be low because they UNDERESTIMATE the positive feedbacks of ice-albedo and soil carbon. And, if you add the observed decrease in phytoplankton primary productivity the evidence stronly suggests that the models are too conservative. NOT the other way around.
bth
Posted July 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
“We are just mentioning the possibility that there could be error cancellation as global warming may involve more processes that those in ENSO, and the errors may cancel in such a way that prediction of global warming by these models that have these errors may actually get the answer right. It is just a possibility worth mentioning.”
Note that Dr. Sun does not say the biases are there – just that it is a possibility worth mentioning. He also does not claim that warming is not happening – only that the projections might ‘maybe’ be high.
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Correct.
Dr. Sun gives his hypothesis on what may be an error derived from his empirical studies.
Dr. Sun does not make blatant claims like climate alarmists who do not yet have all the facts.
Dr. Sun is an empirical scientist, not a politician who uses science as an agenda driven philosophy.
I notice that many of the model predictions used were rather old. Even so – when they predicted warming there was warming – they just missed the point spread. These have gotten much better since the 80s and 90s and are fitting the magnitudes better than they had been doing.
Time will tell. I am still young enough that I will likely see the results of the Great Experiment – at least some of them.
Oh well – back to work (ugh!)
And I am not a politician either …
Ben,
If you that this challenge, you will see that summer temps have trended down 1.82 deg between 1998 and 2007. The winters have trended down 2.53 deg.
Dr. Bush.. The Shrink is IN.
President Bush called on the Democratic-run Congress to follow his example and lift a ban on offshore drilling to help increase domestic oil production.
“I readily concede it won’t produce a barrel of oil tomorrow, but it will reverse the psychology,” Bush told a White House news conference
Chapter 6, Paleo,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
‘Greenhouse gases highest for 800,000 years’
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1440399320080514
“Greenhouse gases are at higher levels in the atmosphere than at any time in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of Antarctic ice on Wednesday that extends evidence that mankind is disrupting the climate.
…
More, and graph of CO2, methane, and temperatures over the past 800,000 years (starts 1000 years from present)
‘Ice cores reveal fluctuations in the Earth’s greenhouse gases’
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/uoc-icr050808.php
“Annual 1988 – 2007 Trend = 0.73 degF / Decade”
So, if I take a slightly longer horizon – looking at a rather small part of the globe (the US) – I get a positive slope. Obviously, if I select short periods and small areas I can find negative slopes.
Ben,
My point eing we are currently on a cooling trend.
Sol,
“Cooling”? Read this, and study the graphs.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/garbage-is-forever
Hank posted July 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-714/#comment-383521
“I merely posted an email froma scientist. A peer reviewed scientist. No comment or endorsement from me at all.”
Hank, if your daily copy/pastes are “no comment or endorsement from me at all”, why don’t you add a comment stating that at the top of each post?
Add a comment saying that YOU are not making a “comment” by posting your copy/paste.
And state that you neither agree nor disagree with the opinion(s), facts, ideas, etc that you are copy/pasting.
Hank. . . maybe something like this:
“I’m just posting this because someone wrote it.
I have no opinions about it, and will be unable to comment about it.”
“Cooling”? Read this,
An alarmist’s ranting blog. How predictable.
If you look at the date range of recorded temps (not a ranting alarmist blog) for the periods I have given, 1998 to present, the data is quite clear. Temps have fallen from 1998 to present.
If you look at the graph Ben linked to, you will see the warming and cooling trends.
Compare the 8-year temperature trends in the 1980’s and ’90’s to this decade, on graph here,
‘Uncertainty, noise and the art of model-data comparison’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison
So real climate (the hysterical pollitically motivated blog) has it right and the USHCN Version 2 is wrong.
Gotcha. If the data doesn’t fit the arm flailing, change the data.
Blatant Cherry Picking By Stefan Rahmstorf And Colleagues In Science Magazine
Filed under: Climate Change Metrics, Climate Science Misconceptions, Climate Science Reporting — Roger Pielke Sr. @ 7:00 am
There is an article today in Science Express by Stefan Rahmstorf, Anny Cazenave, John A. Church, James E. Hansen, Ralph F. Keeling, David E. Parker,Richard C. Somerville entitled “Recent Climate Observations Compared to Projections” which is remarkably blatant about its cherry picking of papers to support their view and in ignoring peer reviewed papers that do not.
http://climatesci.org/2007/02/02/blatant-cherry-picking-by-stefan-rahmstorf-and-colleagues-in-science-magazine/
We should kill the Blue Whales to save the Earth!!! They are the largest animal on the planet and exhale the most C02. Do your part America, go kill yourself a whale!!! If you really care about the Earth you WILL do it!
Burn, baby, burn…
“and the USHCN Version 2 is wrong.”
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I didn’t realise that the topic was U.S. warming, not global warming.
Off the “usual” topic, but I thought this was all too true. :(
http://politicalirony.com/2008/07/13/if-todays-congress-presided-during-watergate/
Cosmo, if you leave now you can reach the ocean by morning….Think about the Children! Man up and go kill that vile whale!
For the self-respecting
From Michael Bane
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2008/07/thought-from-colonel.html
A gun isn’t a magic wand that repels bad guys. Think of it, instead, as a fire extinguisher. If you’re looking to prevent fires in your home, a fire extinguisher isn’t your first purchase. Instead, you analyze your home with an eye toward minimizing fire risks. Is the wiring old and sparking every time you turn on a switch? The solution is new wiring; the fire extinguisher is strictly for secondary protection. BEFORE you make the decision to purchase a gun, you need to study your lifestyle, your home, your family, with an eye on minimizing risks.
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To put the fire out, right?
And you have a limited resource to accomplish this; fire extinguishers won’t keep spraying forever. So to maximize the chances that you’re going to be able to extinguish the fire, you direct your limited firefighting resources directly at the center of the fire. You don’t spray around the outside edges of the fire to keep it from spreading—it’s burning a hole through your kitchen floor, after all. You don’t give the right side of the fire a squirt in the hopes that it will quit on its own. You don’t mess around with even a small fire because you understand completely that, unless you act decisively, the fire will destroy your house and maybe even kill you.
This is the mindset we must have when we are in fear for our lives and must act!
Global cooling.
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg
ANTI
Where does the carbon in the CO2 that the whales exhale come from?
Do whales eat fossil-fuels that had been safely sequestered underground for a very long time? /sacarsm OFF
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year’s time. For all four sources, it’s the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn’t itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
Does SolDevVB believe that one month equals a year?
Multi- nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 15, 2008 at 12:14 pm
“cosmos does not like paleo-climatologists, he says they are wrong, even though they have decades of experience and PhD’s in the subject.
So, one class at WSU wouldn’t help anything to convince cosmos.
If it ain’t the gospel according to the Goracle, it must be wrong.”
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Paleo-climatologists are very important to understanding our present climate.
But their knowledge about paleo does not make them credible if/when they make unsupported claims about AGW.
An example:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/minchin-denies-climate-change-manmade/2007/03/14/1173722560417.html
A former CSIRO climate scientist, and now head of a new sustainability institute at Monash University, Graeme Pearman, said Professor Carter was not a credible source on climate change.
“If he has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process,” Dr Pearman said. “That is what the rest of us have to do.” He said he was letting the fossil fuel industry off the hook.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 15, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
ANTI
Where does the carbon in the CO2 that the whales exhale come from?
Do whales eat fossil-fuels that had been safely sequestered underground for a very long time? /sacarsm OFF
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1. Jesus
2. Yes, they do.
Now when you reach the ocean, try to fashion a spear from some driftwood. Then wade out until you see one of the SOB’s and stab it in the eye! We will wait patiently for your return.
I’ll even use your own hysterical blog cosmo…
One approach to forecasting the natural long-term climate trend is to estimate the time constants of response necessary to explain the observed phase relationships between orbital variation and climatic change, and then to use those time constants in the exponential-response model. When such a model is applied to Vernekar’s (39) astronomical projections, the results indicate that the long-term trend over the next 20,000 years is towards extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation and cooler climate (80).
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94
An article has appeared in a recent issue of Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics with a curious title “Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years.” Wow, that’s a mouthful! Imagine publishing a paper in a respected, peer-reviewed scientific journal in which you predict global cooling over the next few decades? Apparently, the authors were not moved by the 46.6 million websites found when doing a quick search of the internet for “global warming.”
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Zhen-Shan and Xian gathered temperature data for the globe, the Northern Hemisphere, and 10 regions in China from 1881 to 2002; the datasets they chose are the same ones used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). They also gathered data for atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations over the same 1881 to 2002 period, and again, they selected the data commonly used by climate scientists throughout the world. Anyone criticizing their conclusions would be hard-pressed to argue that Zhen-Shan and Xian used inappropriate data sets.
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They report that “Despite the increasing trend of atmospheric CO2 concentration, the components IMF2, IMF3 and IMF4 of global temperature changes are all in falling” and that “the effect of greenhouse warming is deficient in counterchecking the natural cooling of global climate change in the coming 20 years. Consequently, we believe global climate changes will be in a trend of falling in the following 20 years.”
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/03/16/the-coming-global-cooling/
One person with a firearm could have stopped this. Be sure to read the comments at the bottom of the story.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=518548&catid=14
Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair
Six men remain in the Scott County jail following what police call a brutal assault on a father trying to protect his daughter.
Shakopee police say as the crowd was leaving Valleyfair Amusement Park around midnight on the 4th of July, the victim’s daughter was confronted by two men.
“The 12-year-old daughter was either touched or slapped in the buttocks area,” Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said. “The father confronted (the men) by yelling at them for what they had done to his daughter,” he added.
Police say the two men called their friends, who were also in the park. The group of seven men and a juvenile then confronted the father.
“They beat him to the ground and then, the evidence that we have, when he was on the ground, they used their feet on him. They were kicking him in the face when he was down,” Ciliberto said.
According to the criminal complaints, the men were stomping on the 41-year-old father as he lay on the ground, unconscious.
He suffered severe head injuries, including a fractured right orbital bone and possible subdural bleeding on the brain. “We don’t know if there are permanent injuries yet,” the County Attorney said.
Shakopee Police found the suspects in the parking lot. Seven of them were arrested and one man ran from the scene and police are still looking for him. Of the seven taken into custody, one was a 14-year-old.
The six adults charged and held in jail are Devondre Evans-Lewis, Andrew Shannon, Darris Evans, Terry Arnold, Derry Evans, and Anthony Gildersleeve.
The Scott County Attorney says several of the men have criminal histories and they are all from the Twin Cities metro area. They range in age from 18 to 22-years-old.
All six adults have been charged with 3rd degree felony assault causing substantial bodily harm.
“We should kill the Blue Whales to save the Earth!!!”
No can do. My arms are still too tired from beating on the baby seals.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Hank posted July 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-714/#comment-383521
“I merely posted an email froma scientist. A peer reviewed scientist. No comment or endorsement from me at all.”
Hank, if your daily copy/pastes are “no comment or endorsement from me at all”, why don’t you add a comment stating that at the top of each post?
Add a comment saying that YOU are not making a “comment” by posting your copy/paste.
And state that you neither agree nor disagree with the opinion(s), facts, ideas, etc that you are copy/pasting.
Hank. . . maybe something like this:
“I’m just posting this because someone wrote it.
I have no opinions about it, and will be unable to comment about it.”
_____________________________________________________________
cosmos, son!
Really! I should actually make a comment to the fact that I am posting with ‘no comment’!
Are you really that incredibly stupid?
MOst of the stuff I post or link to I do because they interest me. Some of it I agree with and some of it I post just because it’s a different take on a subject that you won’t find in the MSM.
Some of it I post just to drive you nuts. (a very short drive by the way)
You would be better served if you merely addressed your comments to the content of my links instead of using them to defame mebased on what you assume I believe.
I believe you are a nut, that’s all you need to know for sure!
fleettwood
Posted July 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
“We should kill the Blue Whales to save the Earth!!!”
No can do. My arms are still too tired from beating on the baby seals.
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Thanks for doing your part Fleettwood, at least those baby bastards seals won’t be spewing toxic C02 into the atmosphere any more. We must think of the children!
MonkeyHawk,
No links for your information?
Let me guess, you pulled it off some anti-gun website.
Potential victims turned tables on robbery suspects
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_robbery_0710jul10,0,2217867.story
“NEWPORT NEWS – An armed-robbery suspect was shot by his potential victim Tuesday, the second time in a week where the tables were quickly turned, police said.”
Hank posted July 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-714/#comment-383521
“No comment or endorsement from me at all.”
SolDevVB,
Thank you for the 2:25 pm post,
‘Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years!?!
Category: septic tripe’
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/08/multiscale_analysis_of_global.php
Cosmo, those whales aren’t going to kill themselves. I suggest you get going.
God speed Cosmo, God speed.
“We must think of the children!”
Daddy drinks because you cry.
Well, lets start off with the nearly-ad-homs: the English is in places terrible, although better than my Chinese.
If you can’t refute the science, attack the scientists.
If the data doesn’t fit the arm flailing, delete the data.
Congratulations cosmo. You followed the pattern perfectly. Here is your gold star.
fleettwood
Posted July 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink
“We must think of the children!”
Daddy drinks because you cry.
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Yes, and he shares.
A Russian scientist predicts a period of global cooling in coming decades, followed by a warmer interval.
Khabibullo Abdusamatov expects a repeat of the period known as the Little Ice Age. During the 16th century, the Baltic Sea froze so hard that hotels were built on the ice for people crossing the sea in coaches.
The Little Ice Age is believed to have contributed to the end of the Norse colony in Greenland, which was founded during an interval of much warmer weather.
Abdusamatov and his colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences astronomical observatory said the prediction is based on measurement of solar emissions, Novosti reported. They expect the cooling to begin within a few years and to reach its peak between 2055 and 2060.
“The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times,” he said. “The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth’s global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol.”
http://www.physorg.com/news75818795.html
“We haven’t seen forgetfulness like this since Nixon!”
Geez Ben, do you not remember AG AG?
He’s the very definition of “memory hole”.
Daddy drinks because you cry.
You’re a sick bastard Fleet.
“You’re a sick bastard Fleet.”
That’s it! I’m starting drinking.
The liver is evil. It must be destroyed.
ANTI — Why dont you go kill the whales?? Doesnt look like you have anything to contribute here!! :roll:
Dr. Theodor Landscheidt
Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity
Klammerfelsweg 5, 93449 Waldmuenchen, Germany
Abstract:
Analysis of the sun’s varying activity in the last two millennia indicates that contrary to the IPCC’s speculation about man-made global warming as high as 5.8° C within the next hundred years, a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected. It is shown that minima in the 80 to 90-year Gleissberg cycle of solar activity, coinciding with periods of cool climate on Earth, are consistently linked to an 83-year cycle in the change of the rotary force driving the sun’s oscillatory motion about the centre of mass of the solar system. As the future course of this cycle and its amplitudes can be computed, it can be seen that the Gleissberg minimum around 2030 and another one around 2200 will be of the Maunder minimum type accompanied by severe cooling on Earth. This forecast should prove skillful as other long-range forecasts of climate phenomena, based on cycles in the sun’s orbital motion, have turned out correct as for instance the prediction of the last three El Niños years before the respective event.
http://bourabai.georisk.kz/landscheidt/new-e.htm
well shoot if that father had only had a knife, then he could be charged for first degree murder.
Instead, look what happened to him.
“Hey, if it isn’t the Wet Fart”
That’s a shart.
Chas,
You could join him. It would clean up the language around here some.
or whaling, your choice.
then he could be charged for first degree murder.
Ever heard of self defense?
Political_mama,
Are you still seriously in the belief that the woman was just defending herself with that knife?
You watched the video didn’t you?
You realize the jury came back with a guilty verdict don’t you?
Global warming prediction score card :
Won-Lost-Tied
1-27-4
http://icecap.us/docs/change/GreenhouseWarmingScorecard.pdf
“or whaling, your choice.”
I’m feeling better now. Let’s go sealing.
“I’m feeling better now. Let’s go sealing.”
Change you can believe in! :)
SolDevVB posted July 15, 2008 at 2:57 pm
“If you can’t refute the science, attack the scientists.
If the data doesn’t fit the arm flailing, delete the data.”
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Actually, the attack was at the journal, because the grammar was so bad the meaning was sometimes lost.
And Zhen-Shan and Xian ignored very important factors, such as aerosols.
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/08/multiscale_analysis_of_global.php
“… the English is in places terrible, although better than my Chinese. In most cases, this isn’t a fair accusation to level at authors, since it has no real bearing on their ability as scientists, but its an indication that the journal standards may be rather low. … But sometimes its so bad that the sense disappears…
…
Essentially, this is yet another “there was a period of cooling from 40-70 but CO2 was going up then so it can’t be CO2″, which has been done to death recently (aerosols). Or as the authors say: The best example is temperature obviously cooling however atmospheric CO2 concentration is ascending from 1940s to 1970s.
The authors don’t mention aerosol anywhere.”
“I’m feeling better now. Let’s go sealing.”
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Let me pack my cooler and put a fresh coat of white paint on my club!
On a lighter note, of interest to all you baby seal aficiados, (you can’t make this crap up!)
In the mood: Amorous seals are taking advantage of rising temperatures to mate more often
Male seals are reaping the benefits of climate change by having more sex, scientists have discovered.
Subordinate grey seals are taking advantage of rising temperatures and falling rainfall to mate more often.
Due to climate change female grey seals are being forced to travel further for drinking water – removing them from the watchful eye of the dominant males and allowing the subordinate males to take advantage.
The research has been conducted by Dr Sean Twiss, from Durham University, who studied the mating patterns of grey seal colony on the remote Scottish Island of North Rona.
Dr Twiss said: “Grey seals are typically polygamous, with the more dominant males mating with approximately 10 to 15 females which they guard from other males within their territory.
“These males’ ability to dominate is easy when rainwater pools are abundant and females cluster in a small geographical area, but during dry seasons the area in which the females are located becomes too big and they can no longer successfully keep an eye on them all.
“The females must travel further to access water before returning to nurse their pups, which remain at the original pupping location.
“The increased movement amongst the females allows the weaker males to mate and results in more males contributing genetically to the next generation.”
During the nine-year study, Dr Twiss and his colleagues recorded a 61 per cent increase in the number of males contributing to the genetic pool.
In the UK grey seals gather on remote islands for 18 days during October and November each year for mating.
This autumnal breeding season would normally be wet and windy but between 1996 and 2004 researchers recorded unusually dry starts to some seasons.
The findings fit with predictions made by climatologists who state that climate change will make rainfall more irregular.
Dr Twiss said: “Much current research is focusing on the geographical movement of animals as a result of climate change.
“What we are interested in finding out is what impact climate change has on the behaviour of animals – how it effects their social systems including mating patterns.
“The effect of climatic variation on temperature and rainfall has wide-spread implications for many species as there are very few animal populations whose mating patterns and levels of polygamy are not intimately linked to resource distribution.
“These findings show that climate change, whilst endangering many species, could also help to increase the genetic diversity of some species, giving a leg up (or over!) to males who normally wouldn’t be so successful.”
:: The research was published recently in the Royal Society’s Biology Letters journal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-422647/Climate-change-putting-seals-mood-love.html
“Amorous seals are taking advantage of rising temperatures to mate more often”
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AWG meets Barry White
Ooooh Yeeaaah!
AWG=AGW
More love!
There really is a silver lining behind each dark cloud!
“Amorous seals are taking advantage of rising temperatures to mate more often”
My mechanic said that I blew a seal. I said No, it’s just a milk mustache.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=181
Watch this 8 minute video please. Jim Rogers is dead on. What the Fed and Paulson are proposing is Socialism.
Freddie and Fannie should fail and go bankrupt just like any other business in a free-market. Guaranteeing the loans with taxpayer money is a huge power grab. If it allowed to happen, you will see Freddie and Fannie get a boost in stock price PDQ.
Take it easy.
Hank’s climate scientist(sic),
‘Cuckoo science’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/cuckoo-science/
“Sometimes on Realclimate we discuss important scientific uncertainties, and sometimes we try and clarify some subtle point or context, but at other times, we have a little fun in pointing out some of the absurdities that occasionally pass for serious ’science’ on the web and in the media.
These pieces look scientific to the layperson (they have equations! references to 19th Century physicists!), but like cuckoo eggs in a nest, they are only designed to look real enough to fool onlookers and crowd out the real science.
A cursory glance from anyone knowledgeable is usually enough to see that concepts are being mangled, logic is being thrown to the winds, and completetly unjustified conclusions are being drawn – but the tricks being used are sometimes a little subtle.
Two pieces that have recently drawn some attention fit this mould exactly. One by Christopher Monckton (a viscount, no less, with obviously too much time on his hands) which comes complete with supplematary ‘calculations’ using his own ‘M’ model of climate, …”
More at link.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 15, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink
Hank’s climate scientist(sic),
‘Cuckoo science’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/cuckoo-science/
“Sometimes on Realclimate we discuss important scientific uncertainties, and sometimes we try and clarify some subtle point or context, but at other times, we have a little fun in pointing out some of the absurdities that occasionally pass for serious ’science’ on the web and in the media.
These pieces look scientific to the layperson (they have equations! references to 19th Century physicists!), but like cuckoo eggs in a nest, they are only designed to look real enough to fool onlookers and crowd out the real science.
A cursory glance from anyone knowledgeable is usually enough to see that concepts are being mangled, logic is being thrown to the winds, and completetly unjustified conclusions are being drawn – but the tricks being used are sometimes a little subtle
———————–
Every scientist at realclimate.org is a political hack.
They are in it to keep themselves funded.
They are in it to boost their egos.
They are in it to hope for power positions politically.
They are in it because they are not real scientists, they are political hacks.
A real scientist doesn’t do politics.
realclimate.org is a blog site, not peer reviewed science.
The longest explanation they have for science on realclimate.org is about a half a page, most of that is opinion, not science.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a political hack wanting higher taxes for everyone.
Regular is an anti-science whore and shill for foreign nations, and their dependence on US to purchase their Oil… :-D
“cosmos is not a scientist”
Neither is McCluer, but that doesn’t stop him from pretending to be one.
The religion of the GW nut.
The UN panel sez it.
I believe it.
That settles it.
Praise be.
Thats OK, Fleetie…. Christianity was considered to be a Canibalistic, blood drinking Cult for nearly 400 years too… Guess they won out in the long run…
Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’
Haha, rape is funny, right? McCain thinks so, he told that joke. This is the same guy who thinks Viagra should be available on health care plans but birth control pills and after morning pills (in case McCain has a good laugh about a rape victim) shouldn’t be.
If you’re a Republican and think rape is great then McCain is your man.
Ehud Yaari, one of Israel’s most respected regional commentators,speaks about bush and what he has done and what he hasn’t achieved. He is quite complimentary of bush and thinks things in the Middle East are better for his actions. He also has some advice for the next president.
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Bush’s Mid-East legacy
“Art of the possible
So what then of the next US administration? Which pieces of the Middle East puzzle should it pick up and with what purpose?
“Learn from the mistakes of previous presidents,” Prof Avineri urges.
“All American presidents since the 1960s have tried to reach peace in the Middle East and some of them came up with very dramatic programmes or meetings or conferences – all of them have failed unless there has been a local will and capability.”
The implication clearly is that this local will and capability is presently absent.
Mr Yaari is more explicit: “Because a final-status peace treaty between Israeli and the Palestinians is impossible – they cannot agree on the terms – one has to seek a different formula, probably something less than peace, something that I would call an armistice regime. For this I believe we will have many of the players subscribing.”
Prof Avineri too stresses that the next US president must practice the art of the possible.
Apologising for the political science jargon, he says the Americans must move from “the illusion of conflict resolution to a realistic assessment of the possibilities of conflict management; avoiding violence, mitigating tensions; and creating confidence-building steps on both sides”.
“Nobody should enter the Oval Office thinking that between now and Christmas, or between now and Easter, you can solve something that has been bedevilling this area for almost 100 years,” he adds.
In the final analysis I am not sure if this is pessimistic or optimistic.
Israeli conservatives want to delay any final agreement with the Palestinians, to hold onto the West Bank and the settlement infrastructure there.
But here are two professional analysts arguing the conditions are just not right for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
The danger though, as Ehud Yaari put it to me, is that if some progress cannot be made on the Israel-Palestinian track, then the whole idea of a two-state solution may become more elusive.”
Read it all here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7507880.stm
McCain’s Eight Most Inappropriate Jokes
http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/content/id_21922/title_McCains-Eight-Most-Inappropriate-Jokes/
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McCain has no sense of appropriate humor. He is very crude — more so than bush, and I thought that was impossible! I understand that some of you may have been around crude and vulgar but that doesn’t make it appropriate, neither does it make it a trait one seeks in the POTUS.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ ridiculously believes that scientists worldwide have conspired since the 1800’s to falsify CO2 data.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
A few of the sites that multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ believes provide measurements from “calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.”
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
This book sounds very interesting!
Steven, if you haven’t bought this one — it’s MY TURN! I’ll get this one and then pass it to you. OK?
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Terror And The Unraveling Of America’s Moral Fabric
Mayer’s new book is The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92528583
“Christianity was considered to be a Canibalistic, blood drinking Cult for nearly 400 years too”
I’m not a Christian, but we both know the origins.
“Haha, rape is funny, right? McCain thinks so, he told that joke.”
I suppose your proof is some whacko website?
Even worse, you buy it?
“Chas
Posted July 15, 2008 at 7:03 pm | Permalink
Regular is an anti-science whore”
The words of a prophet of the Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ.
Or so his mail order theological degree proclaims.
Yep, lets keep on bailing out entities governed by public stock with taxpayers money. We, the taxpayer, get the shaft, while stock owners reap all the benefits. Fannie and Freddie, dinosaurs that have long outlived their usefulness, and turned into socialist programs, get bailed by us. And the Republicans call us socialists. Ridiculous.
HDChaplainCorps posted July 15, 2008 at 9:12 pm
“Chas
Posted July 15, 2008 at 7:03 pm | Permalink
Regular is an anti-science whore”
The words of a prophet of the Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ.
—————–
Actually, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ own words prove that he’s an anti-science whore.
‘Regular’ believes that scientists have a global conspiracy to falsify CO2 data.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384156
And multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ rants against carbon taxes.
” We, the taxpayer,”
Let’s be honest Walker – your “we the taxpayer” applies when government spends money on programs which you don’t agree with.
Yet, if the money was being spent on urban schools and education, when the money is spent to pay for free lunch at elementary schools, or when the money is spent to provide food stamps, the Women Infant Child subsidies, subsidized HUD rent, or free housing, or unemployment benefits for over two years, or free daycare, or absolutely free healthcare for the poor – that is not a concern?
Hypocrite. Uneducated one at that.
Wheeew!
Back from the Artic. I bashed the bah-jesus out of about 50 baby seals near as I can tell! Good times….Oh Cosmos, don’t worry there is still lots of ice and it is still colder than a witches…well you know.
Freddy and Fanny: Now they are the “evil ones” in the media. Watch for the koolaid drinkers to post negative and anti postings, as they drink fully from the media pool.
Let’s be honest. Let’s really look at the brass tacks.
Your anger should be directed at those irresponsible homebuyers/owners who buy homes they cannot afford, cannot manage their fiscal affairs, and unwisely spend their money – and miss their mortgage payments.
Bottom line: Irresponsible owners caused the home crisis.
Blame the president, blame congress, blame the oil prices, blame the oild companies, blame the banks, blame the S&L’s and credit unions, blame the greed mortgage companies.
But the truth is: Irresponsible people are defaulting on their loans.
Freddy and Fanny provided a path for millions of Americans to buy their first home. Minorities and those less fortunate. It has worked since the depression.
Not today. Why? Because 1 of 501 homeowners default on their loans.
Suddenly, they are nasty bitches.
And you are koolaid drinking idiots.
stock owners reap all the benefits….
Please Walker, do your homework before you post.
Go google. Find out how many millions of Americans own stocks and mutual fund both directly and in retirement plans – which have shares in Freddy and Fanny.
This isn’t the evil rich making money off the the downtrodden poor.
Your postings indicate not only your lack of knowledge, but your reliance on the media koolaid.
#
HDChaplainCorps
Posted July 15, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
” We, the taxpayer,”
Let’s be honest Walker – your “we the taxpayer” applies when government spends money on programs which you don’t agree with.
Yet, if the money was being spent on urban schools and education, when the money is spent to pay for free lunch at elementary schools, or when the money is spent to provide food stamps, the Women Infant Child subsidies, subsidized HUD rent, or free housing, or unemployment benefits for over two years, or free daycare, or absolutely free healthcare for the poor – that is not a concern?
Hypocrite. Uneducated one at that.
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Let’s see: I stated nothing about welfare, health care, free housing, free daycare. I said STOCK MARKET backed business being supported by government subsidy is WRONG. You really need to learn to read before you decide to slam someone.
Are you sure you’re not Franklin? You spout the same nonsense, with the same moronic arguments. You are indeed an idiot of your own choosing.
One thing you are partially correct on is the mortgage mess. It is partially the fault of irresponsible people taking out loans they will never be able to pay off. But who are the idiots who loaned them the money in the first place? Banks, mortgage companies, etc..
I suggest you take a real close look at how the mortgages were split into a thousand pieces, lumped together, then sold as package deals to places like Bear Sterns, Countrywide, etc. They put down roughly 1% of the package price on packages worth billions. What happened to Bear Sterns? Countrywide? Fannie and Freddie? Hedge fund managers are loving it: THEY CAN BY A WHOLE COMPANY FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
The banks cared less who they gave loans to for housing: they were playing with other peoples money. Why should they have cared? Lending money to people with 630 credit ratings means they have a 1 in 9 chance of paying. And we’re bailing them out for lending to them?
What is going on the housing market today is not a crisis, but a return to normalcy: banks are actually taking a look at credit scores and finances. Surprise!!!! FINALLY!!!!
Business should be allowed to succeed, but they should also be allowed to fail. That is the American way. Government welfare for these losers is just plain wrong.
Your kool-aid is spiked with loony juice. Talk about a freakin’ idiot. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Go play in the street, moron. Phuk, where do these idiots come from? Republican hell?
America’s Shooting Gallery 7.15
* AZ: Man kills self as police investigate other death.
* FL: After an emotional day of testimony, a judge issued a temporary ruling in a custody case that could shape the future of an 11-year-old boy who recently lost both parents in murder-suicide.
* FL: Courtney Saddler, 31, shot dead his 19-year-old ex-girlfriend, Ahlandone Ford, then turned the gun on himself in a murder-suicide over the weekend.
* GA: Two Atlanta police officers shot, suspect killed.
* CA: A 27-year-old South San Francisco man died today after being shot in the head during a robbery less than a block from Palo Alto City Hall and the police station, authorities said.
* AL: Bay Minette police said initial reports that a 10-year-old boy accidentally shot himself late Saturday were not true and his 16-year-old brother has been arrested in connection with the incident.
* OR: Two men in a second floor apartment were looking at the AK-47 assault rifle when it went off, firing a bullet through the ceiling of the apartment below and narrowly missing someone inside.
* RI: Authorities say a 20-year-old man was shot in the back while sitting with a 15-year-old boy outside a building in the Pleasant Court apartment complex.
* AZ: The man charged with aggravated assault in the shooting of an 8-year-old boy admitted to police that he fired a .22-caliber rifle to scare children playing nearby.
* VA: Slade Woodson, 19, the adult suspect in the Interstate 64 shootings pleaded guilty to all six charges he faced in Waynesboro Monday. The Waynesboro shooting spree started with an early morning trip to Wal-Mart to stock up on ammunition.
HD = James McCluer.
Still no link MonkeyHawk?
“Nathaniel” –
I have the URLs for each item listed.
Which one do you want first?
MonkeyHawk,
I would like all of them.
nathan price………………..the “marine” who sees no difference between civilian and combatant casulties…………
……………….truly PATHETIC!
…………how old is the Earth marine-BOY?
“Nathaniel” –
I tried last night. WE Blog flagged it for spam; something about too many URLs in a post.
I’m not going anywhere.
I can parse ‘em out in the order you want.
Start with your favorite stories and I’ll give your your links.
Apophis,
I have never said that I see no difference in civilian and combatant casulties.
Do you think you set a good example as a teacher by telling such lies?
You and your family are HARDLY in a position to accuse anyone of lying Nathan.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ also believes that scientists who write their unsupported opinions in newspaper columns is equivalent to scientific methodolgy published in credible, peer-reviewed journals.
….I think that is the common inference with your gun induced, blood lust.
……..I think exposing YOU and other potential “christian” Taliban is setting a good example as an educator. More of our children need to be educated as to the dangers of you and your kind!
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadifference,/
Still Idiot.
What classifies “christian” Taliban?
Apophis,
My gun induced bloodlust? LOL
It still amazes me that people like you are so scared of someone like me.
LOL
……………little man, I’m in NO WAY scared of you. I pity you and your kind.
Again,what classifies “christian” Taliban?
or did you read that on a web site somewhere?
Perhaps KFG sent you an article from the National Enquirer?
Apophis,
I love how in one sentence people like you try to say I am some dangerous person, you call me the “Christian Taliban”, and say that people must be warned about me.
Yet you assert with such authority that in no way are you scared of me?
LOL
Nah, I bet you are just a mindless Leftist Jackass repeating robot.
I won’t. It is too easy.
I’ve met Nathan. I choose not to do so again.
I’ll just leave it there.
Once more BlueJay,
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadifference,/
Still an Idiot.
BlueJay,
You barely escaped with your life at a cook out at Lake Afton, a cook out near my parents home, a WE meeting, and a public park cook out.
I don’t know how you managed to survive such horrible events where we ate hamburgers and hotdogs and talked.
*GASP*
Oh the horror, the horror, oh my goodness, the horror.
Thanks but I don’t click links from your alter nic Nathan.
“You barely escaped with your life at a cook out at Lake Afton, a cook out near my parents home, a WE meeting, and a public park cook out.”
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Well Nate, BlueJay has a very hard time figuring out which box to type in on this blog. I would imagine the cook out was VERY confusing for him!
Uh huh….that is YOUR link idiot. Check your nic tool!
Uhm, “Nathaniel” –
You were interested in links before.
But a shiny object distracted you, I guess.
Attention Deficit Disorder?
If you’re no longer interested, I’m outta here.
MonkeyHawk,
Nah, nevermind. Thanks for offering though. If something comes up again that I’m interested in, I’ll let you know.
BlueJay, I kindly pointed it out the FIRST time you did it a few months back, you seemed ungrateful. I am not so kind now. Idiot.
JMWalker
Posted July 15, 2008 at 10:05 pm | Permalink
I suggest you take a real close look at how the mortgages were split into a thousand pieces, lumped together, then sold as package deals to places like Bear Sterns, Countrywide, etc. They put down roughly 1% of the package price on packages worth billions. What happened to Bear Sterns? Countrywide? Fannie and Freddie? Hedge fund managers are loving it: THEY CAN BY A WHOLE COMPANY FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
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Say HD, Walker’s showing his true arrogance and ignorance here.
LOL.
Please tell us about these package deals sold for pennies on the dollar.
Also, explain one thing, how did Countrywide buy these packages for 1% of the package price (to use your terms)?
And who sold the loans?
Let’s see how bright you be JM —-
Waiting………
I am young(?), but I have noticed that the Libs disappear when called on. Example: Lib flaps his/her(PC) gums proudly and with authority, with some crazy statement and when it is called on, they disappear for hours. Am I naive, or is this common for the Libs?
Get off it Nathan.
I first assumed “ANTI” was another nic for your pal and pet psychotic James.
I’ve since been better advised.
Everyone knows, “ANTI” is nathan.
Say MonkeyMan,
Got a source for your 10:17 post?
Looks like crap from sites like:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/
http://www.bradycenter.org/about/
(They changed their name from Handgun Control, Inc. a few years ago, when their name gave away their true agenda. They aren’t for reducing crime or punishing criminals, they ARE for banning guns.)
Just so you know, MonkeyMan is a GUN – BANNER!!!
(He’s against the US Constitution ya know!)
Damn BJ, you are dense. I am not Nate or Regular or your grocery bagger or the mail man.
Also, you haven’t gotten it yet. Idiot. Fix your nic.
I can post gun stories too, ya know.
“I’ve since been better advised.”
I would question your source. Does this source rely on quality journalism like the National Enquirer?
You are a paranoid and hateful jackass.
Hank Price posted July 15, 2008 at 6:08 am
“By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley”
————
‘ “Viscount” Monckton at Ease Lying for Money’
http://www.desmogblog.com/viscount-monckton-at-ease-lying-for-money
‘Skeptics’ Journal Publishes Plagiarist’s Paper’
http://www.desmogblog.com/skeptics-journal-publishes-plagiarized-paper
“Despite dismissing the work as “a bit patchy and nothing new,” Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, editor of the skeptic’s journal Energy and Environment journal, has published the work of the plagiarist Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte.
Dr. Schulte’s “research” was first published last year on an industry-funded website called the Science and Public Policy Institute. Actually, it was excerpted in a long essay by the disingenuous Viscount Christopher Monckton (inset), who pronounced Schulte’s paper serious, peer-reviewed science even while failing to admit his own part in its creation.”
Kansas’ concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed-carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. “I would have been shot in the chest,” he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added,” Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today than it was just 20 days ago.”
Police say a man may have broken into a residence in conjunction with a plan to rob a local bank. When the homeowner confronted the suspect he was ordered to wake his wife and get the keys to the bank where she is employed. The homeowner went to the bedroom, leading the intruder to believe he was waking his wife. But instead he told his wife to call 9-1-1 and grabbed a handgun from the nightstand. He told the burglar to raise his hands and drop any weapons he had. Reportedly, he dropped a 12-inch butcher knife to the floor before sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene.
When three men tried to force their way into an Arkansas City, Kans., house, Jody Foster acted. Foster called the police, retrieved a handgun and fired at the intruders, wounding one in the left hand. Police responding to the call apprehended all three suspects.
A Wichita, Kan., smoke shop owner shot and wounded an armed robber in his store after the man tried to shoot him. Lorenzo Harding, owner of H&H Cigarette Shop, told police he was with a customer when an armed man burst into his shop. The man reportedly pulled a mask down to cover his face, said Sgt. Jeff Davis. “Initial reports are that he was trying to fire the gun, but the gun jammed,” Davis said. The owner then pulled a handgun from under his counter and fired one shot at the man.
A woman was traveling alone on Interstate 70 in Kansas when a delivery truck driver got her attention by flashing his vehicle’s lights and motioning toward the rear of her car. When she pulled over, the truck parked in front. Before getting out to check her vehicle’s rear lights, though, the woman took the precaution of slipping her handgun into her purse. When she returned to her car, the truck driver used his foot to prevent her from closing the door and then twice asked for a kiss, according to police. The woman escaped the potentially violent advance by simply intoning, “I’ve got a gun” and driving off. Police confronted the driver as he made his next delivery.
After hearing a late-night knock at the door of his Wichita, Kansas, home, Harvey Green went to investigate with his Smith & Wesson .357 revolver in hand. It was a good thing, too, as a pair of men asked to use the phone, then brandished a rifle and attempted to force their way inside after Green politely refused their request. “I fired one shot through the glass of the front door, and I hit one of them,” Green said. The suspects fled and a wounded 18-year-old male was later admitted to an area hospital, where police apprehended him. Green, a champion pistol shot with a house full of trophies to prove it, said, “I could have finished him pretty easily. I still had five rounds left. But he was running away. I no longer considered him a threat. Guns sometimes save people’s lives.”
Pic a nic Nathan.
In just the last 30 days, there are 12,167 Google News Hits on “Home Invasion”.
See how many times homeowners used a gun in self-defense.
See how many times they didn’t.
That’s ok, a Baseball Bat or a Sword might work too.
I would be embarrassed if I were you BlueJay.
Hank Price posted July 15, 2008 at 6:08 am
“By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton%2C_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
“[Monckton] was educated at Harrow School, Churchill College, Cambridge where he read classics and University College, Cardiff, where he obtained a diploma in journalism.”
Sorry, “MaxGrobnik” –
Don’t have a Brady link in the bunch.
All links are available to you, too. (At least until the All Star game is over.)
Ask for one at a time and you’ll get ‘em.
BlueJay, try to click on your nic……do you see the stupidity of yourself now?
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadifference,/
If I could I would write it in crayon so you would understand.
No wonder you can’t keep a job.
Since when did “everyone” know ANTI was me?
I don’t even know it.
I don’t use any other nic than my name. Used to be Nathan, now it is Nathaniel.
That is the extent of my nic switching.
Oh BlueJay knows everything, except where to type.
I bet you use crayons alot Nathan.
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadif
The slow learner BlueJay…….really sloooooow…..no, he is still thinking about it………………….still thinking…….
Fire up a smoke BJ, that may help.
Here’s MonkeyMan’s link:
http://dumbass.trashrecords.org/
We know better Nathan.
Hey like I say, I thought it was your psychotic pal James McCluer doing the “ANTI” bit.
I know otherwise now.
http://dumbass.trashrecords.org/
Ha Ha!!! But true.
BlueJay,
Who is this “we” and “everyone” who know that I am ANTI?
How exactly do you know?
I know, that if you actually did know how to know, you would know, that I am not ANTI at all.
Good night J R (Rimel), I thought you were smarter than that…too bad.
BlueJay= Styrofoam helmet wearing drooler……slow…..like a 3 legged turtle.
Oh I’m not gonna name names there Nathan.
I trust my sources.
“ANTI” is Nathaniel, until proven otherwise.
Ah come on Nathan, you know and I know that JR doesn’t actually know how to know, so that he doesn’t even know that he doesn’t know anything at all.
BlueJay = the kind of guy that would stand out in a hail storm….when “inside” was 5 feet away.
Who’s Rimel?
http://icantforthelifeofmefigureouthowacandidateschoiceoflapeljewelrymakesadif
Really sloooow………..slow…and more slow on top of the previous slow….and some more of the slow…ect.
HEHEHE
How do you know that ANTI isn’t me, jr?
But wait, instead of ANTI, I might be Nathaniel!
No matter who is who, you’ll always be a loser!
Who’s Rimel?
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The Jay man…Ryan, BlueJay
Heh
Is that the best you have “Auntie” Nathan?
Fire away boy ( that is what you answer to right?)
My intel has you yours beat.
Wanna dance?
OK, I am not going to pull a “Chas”, I am cashed out. Good Luck all and good night!
What ever happened to the mother of your child, jr?
BlueJay,
Do I want to dance?
Um, no. But if you still want to go ten rounds with me like you offered, I am game.
“How do you know that ANTI isn’t me, jr?
But wait, instead of ANTI, I might be Nathaniel!”
Yes well Hank and Nathan are exchangeable aren’t they?
They always were.
They still are.
Bring what ya got Price.
Wanting to go ten rounds and having the ability to survive past one round is two different things. Come over and pick up your mail tomorrow.
Are you working Thursday?
Where’s your boys momma, jr?
What ever happened to the REAL mother of your child Hank?
Or…. does Nathan call her Joyce and you Pa out of some weird dynamic I don’t get?
Hank Price posted July 15, 2008 at 6:08 am
“By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley”
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‘Christopher Monckton: a Peerless Prevaricator’
http://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-monckton-a-peerless-prevaricator
“Tim Lambert at Deltoid has a hilarious wrap of the recent inaccuracies – nay, outright lies – of the ever-entertaining Christopher Walter, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, denier for hire.”
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/12/monckton_watch_2.php
Where is YOUR boy’s mama Hank?
I’ll match my parenting against yours any day.
Joyce is Nathan’s only mother, ask her, or, ask him.
Where’s your baby’s mother?
BlueJay, look at the web site box, when you post your comment.
Oh it is on Hank.
Nathan has posted here how he was on food stamps and living in public housing.
Pretty hard living for a guy whose Dad spends 100 K on horses and dogs.
My son went to bed a bit ago. Until then, he was reading the posts here.
He said if he sees you again he will kick you in the nuts.
Gotta be one of those “Oh Sh*t!” moments.
Ahh, what’s in a name?
BLueJay,
You say your son will kick my dad in the nuts just after you proclaim how much better of a father you are?
What a thing to allow your son to do or to think is ok.
Yep, sounds like good parenting skills to me, jr. How old is your little boy? Does he have a bed time? Does he know where his mother is?
You should teach him to respect his elders. You need to teach him that since he is still a minor that you are responsible for his actions. You need to teach him that I will hold you responsible for any physical assault that he attempts on me.
Where’s your baby’s mamma, jr.?
My son reads what you and your Dad post here Nathan.
I am PROUD that my son hates your father because of what he has said.
I am SORRY for you that your father was not around for you.
JR probably squeezed on off in his cousin and doesn’t want to talk about it.
Hank Price,
Thank you for the Christopher Monckton copy/paste. My friends and I enjoyed it.
For your next early am copy/paste, please post someone who is similarly lacking in AGW climate science, and credibility. Perhaps Tim Ball?
So what are your credentials cosmos?
Show the world what you are made of and let’s see some diplomas.
Ashamed of your education?
Very good parenting skills, jr. Infecting a little boy with your hate.
You can be very proud. Sicko.
You got it cosmos! I had one picked out that highlights the political failure of the AGW alarmists, but I’ll see what I can do.
If I decide to not make a comment about my post should I comment on that or will the fact that I don’t comment be sufficient to indicate that no comment is forthcoming?
Nathaniel
Posted July 16, 2008 at 12:44 am | Permalink
BLueJay,
You say your son will kick my dad in the nuts just after you proclaim how much better of a father you are?
What a thing to allow your son to do or to think is ok.
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Nathan, He didnt SAY he thought it was OK… He only said what his kid said…
You might try stopping your LYING here… It is getting old, and you’re not good at it…
So Chas,
Why would the Eagle keep a copy of your certifications and etc? What interest would a newspaper have in your mail order diplomas?
Hank Price,
Or maybe something from one of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ scientists?
‘Ian Clark
NRSP Scientific Advisor’
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1316
or,
‘R. Timothy Patterson
“Friend of Science”‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1475
Where your son’s REAL mother Price?
“You should teach him to respect his elders”
Oh I do. But with qualification.
You are older than me and my son. You are richer than me and my son.
You are not better than me and my son.
And I teach my son as I have always lived.
You want a fight bring it. You’ll limp away IF you survive.
Drive by James Ryan Remil is making threats again.
What street does your boys mamma work Junior?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Post YOUR proof that AGW scientists falsified the CO2 data.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384156
Why dont you call them up and ask them?? Idiot!!
“Very good parenting skills, jr. Infecting a little boy with your hate.
You can be very proud. Sicko.”
I call my son by his name. I do not refer to him or call him as “boy”.
And what is it you and yours do but hate?
You are a diseased little (I’ve met him, he is about 5 foot 5) creep Hank.
cosmos,
Post your credentials. You seem so eager to discredit PhD scientists.
Let’s see yours.
If your up to the challenge.
Of course, we all know you are not. Because cosmos aka Sammy Wilson is not a scientist.
#
Chas
Posted July 16, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink
Why dont you call them up and ask them?? Idiot!!
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I should call them and ask them about your mail order clergy status?
“You want a fight bring it. You’ll limp away IF you survive.”
Is that some sort of veiled threat little man? Should I be afraid of you or your little boy next time we meet? Should I get a restraining order against you?
You’ve threatened to ‘destroy’ me. You’ve stated ‘if wishes were bullets, I’d be dead’. You really haven’t been to subtle in your threats against me.
And now, I have to be afraid of your little boy?
What next, you going to turn your mother loose on me?
BlueJay,
You are nothing but talk.
Hey your dog James McCluer is here Hank.
I’ve seen him. I’ve seen you.
You lose.
Where’s your little boy’s mommy? Does she know (or care) that you are teaching him to hate?
You’re starting to really scare me, J R. Back off from your threats against me.
I’m going to bed now, good night all.
Don’t sweat a meetup Hank and boy.
You won’t be invited and if you have one, no one will show.
IF we meet again, it will be your invasion of my space.
Like at the meetup I called that I invited Nathan to?
Like the first meetup when I wanted to meet friends and you came along with the …..Price?
At the dog show, I did not approach Hank. He affronted me. And made me talk to Nathan. I was just being polite.
And then at WOOFstock. I was just there. Hank accosted me.
I don’t WANT contact with the cons. The meetup being organized will EXCLUDE cons.
James Ryan Remil
bawk bawk bawk…
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Post YOUR proof that AGW scientists falsified the CO2 data.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384156
Ooops. . . multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has no proof for his ridiculous claim.
Post your links to Clark’s and Patterson’s peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW.
Ooops. . . they don’t have any peer-reviewed papers doing that.
They only have newspaper columns, and similar.
Hey Sammy, I mean Kevin, I mean cosmos…
Let’s see some credentials.
Or are you ashamed to show your Goracle certificate of brainwashing?
And the Price’s sleep while their little kept dog speaks.
Hi James McCluer.
Oh I would say a little dog James Ryan Remil. You’ve claimed to have seen me. I would be in the bull mastiff classification as far as dogs go.
You are so bloody interested in my credentials… WHY??? Why cant you just accept it when people tell you they have credentials??? YOU expect others to accept YOUR credentials… whatever t hey might happen to be… BUT, YOU insist on phishing expeditions for anybody else…
You’re one sick, demented JYD, Regular…. No Bull Mastiff in your line or lineage!! Maybe just Bull!! ROFL!!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
So you admit that you have NO proof of your bogus claim that scientists have falsified the CO2 data.
And you admit that Clark and Patterson do NOT have peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW.
If I’m wrong multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. . . just post your proof, and links. LOL!
So what universities did you go to Chas? Who and what state granted your ordination? Are you in the ordination book down at the courthouse?
I would think if you wanted to prove who you say you are, you would point people to an official source.
Are you in the book of ordained ministers for Sedgwick County Chas?
So Sammy cosmos, what is your education background?
What makes you better than the scientists you attempt discredit?
Show us something cosmos. Tell us about your vast research in climate science.
Back up what you write here with some real credentials.
Uh, no James.
You look like ZZtop with wrist canes.
I look like ZZTop?
Well that’s flattery then. rich, cool and play the guitar well.
James — You total IDIOT… States dont grant Ordination… DUMMY!!! Any idiot ought to know that fact… Clergy are not licensed by the Government!!
What a MORON!!! More Lies and false insinuations from James McCluer!!! The Blogs FALSE WITNESS!! Geez!!!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Maybe you are a little “slow”? Would it help if I made a list?
1) Post YOUR proof that AGW scientists falsified the CO2 data.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384156
Ooops. . . multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has NO proof for his ridiculous claim.
2) Post your links to Clark’s and Patterson’s peer-reviewed papers refuting AGW.
Ooops. . . they don’t have any peer-reviewed papers doing that.
They only have newspaper columns, and similar.
3) Explain exactly what my “credentials” have to do with the 2 items above.
#
Chas
Posted July 16, 2008 at 2:00 am | Permalink
James — You total IDIOT… States dont grant Ordination… DUMMY!!! Any idiot ought to know that fact… Clergy are not licensed by the Government!!
What a MORON!!! More Lies and false insinuations from James McCluer!!! The Blogs FALSE WITNESS!! Geez!!!
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Jumping to conclusions are we?
I just happen to know that licensed ordained ministers are listed by the county.
So Chas, are you are are you not listed by Sedgwick County as a licensed ordained minister?
I have SEEN James McCluer.
The poster CURRENTLY known as “Regular”?
Yeah. He lives with his sister and sponges off the government.
Oh Obama has it so wrong. These cons are not to be worked with.
What they need is to be crushed. Get them imaginative in a newly understood, availing way.
Perhaps Sammy Kevin cosmos if we knew your background and where you blogged from we could gain some insight in why you think you are superior to everyone here on the WE Blog.
Since you are ashamed of your background, we can just continue to ignore what you post as it comes not from a scientist, but an agenda driven political hack.
No James… They are NOT listed by the County… That would be a LIE… like most of your stuff here… Just another LIE!!!
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Chas
Posted July 16, 2008 at 2:10 am | Permalink
No James… They are NOT listed by the County… That would be a LIE… like most of your stuff here… Just another LIE!!!
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So you’re saying that when one applies for a marriage certificate to be signed by a license ordained minister, there is no way for a government to check to see if you are bonafide?
BTW, I’ve done genealogy on several of my ancestors and have found their ordination and licensing registered by the (shock) county government.
That’s right James… There is no government licensing of Clergy… It is against the First Amendment of the Constitution…
See, you really ARE anti-american, or you would have known that!!
Perhaps your ancient relatives worked for the State, or County… Back in those days, some clergy did work for the County or State as a side job… But it is a LIE to insinuate that Clergy have to be licensed by the State… Just plain WRONG!! ]
So, live with it!! You just THINK you know it all… You really dont!!
Cosmos, McCluer is bored… so he has started PHISHING…. but he doesnt know how to use bait… So, he will keep on getting back just an empty hook!! ROFL!!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Thank you for again proving, without any doubt, that you are very “slow”.
Who may marry in Kansas?
Any ordained or licensed clergymen, and justices of the peace
23-104a
Chapter 23.–DOMESTIC RELATIONS
Article 1.–MARRIAGE
23-104a. Solemnizing marriage; persons authorized to officiate. (a) Marriage may be validly solemnized and contracted in this state, after a license has been issued for the marriage, in the following manner: By the mutual declarations of the two parties to be joined in marriage, made before an authorized officiating person and in the presence of at least two competent witnesses over 18 years of age, other than the officiating person, that they take each other as husband and wife.
(b) The following are authorized to be officiating persons:
(1) Any currently ordained clergyman or religious authority of any religious denomination or society;
(2) any licentiate of a denominational body or an appointee of any bishop serving as the regular clergyman of any church of the denomination to which the licentiate or appointee belongs, if not restrained from so doing by the discipline of that church or denomination;
(3) any judge or justice of a court of record;
(4) any municipal judge of a city of this state; and
(5) any retired judge or justice of a court of record.
(c) The two parties themselves, by mutual declarations that they take each other as husband and wife, in accordance with the customs, rules and regulations of any religious society, denomination or sect to which either of the parties belong, may be married without an authorized officiating person.
History: L. 1968, ch. 207, § 1; L. 1973, ch. 134, § 26; L. 1984, ch. 134, § 1; L. 1996, ch. 194, § 2; July 1.
Chas,
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is just too “slow” to realize that his multiple lies, and his false attacks prove that he is wrong.
Many things to do tomorrow…. funeral coming on Friday… Many things to get done….
Good night; Good luck; and God Bless —
Whatver you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessings on Yankee Stadium!!
Thanks for proving me RIGHT James… Like I said, the State does not license or ordain Clergy!! Just like the cut/paste document you posted…
You LOSE old man!! :-D
So cosmos, Sammy kevin, what are you qualifications to preach the gospel of the Goracle?
Have you been to his training?
What are your degrees in cosmos?
Tell us about your peer-reviewed research in climate science cosmos.
Never said they did Chas, but the state law does mention ordination an licensed ministers.
How do I know there are books with lists of ordained ministers? I went with my uncle to the courthouse once and the clerk found his name listed under ordained Baptist Ministers.
So Chas, you claimed to be an ordained minister. Is your name listed?
Yea, LIAR… You DID say it >>>>
“I just happen to know that licensed ordained ministers are listed by the county.” [Regular]
You want MORE??? Fine!! Here Bozo >>>>
Regular
Posted July 16, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink
…Who and what state granted your ordination? Are you in the ordination book down at the courthouse?
“Never said they did Chas, but the state law does mention ordination an licensed ministers.”
Yep it does AND also says this:
“(1) Any currently ordained clergyman or religious authority of any religious denomination or society;
(2) any licentiate of a denominational body or an appointee of any bishop serving as the regular clergyman of any church of the denomination to which the licentiate or appointee belongs, if not restrained from so doing by the discipline of that church or denomination;”
Such ordination, or licensing, or appointment is made BY ANY CHURCH OF THE DENOMINATION TO WHICH THE LICENTIATE OR APPOINTEE BELONGS….
The Authority comes from the CHURCH… Not the State/County…. Do you need to go back to school, and learn to READ???
Go back to your favorite hole… You are just a flame…. Phony Phising Phlame at that… Geez!! LIAR!!
Maybe the BOTTOM LINE of your copy/paste 40 year old statute is most telling >>>>
“(c) The two parties themselves, by mutual declarations that they take each other as husband and wife, in accordance with the customs, rules and regulations of any religious society, denomination or sect to which either of the parties belong, may be married without an authorized officiating person.”
No Clergy is even REQUIRED in some cases!!
SO, blow it out your butt, old man!! You LOSE!!
Correction… CLERGY are not required in ANY circumstance… [From YOUR post]
Max, some of us actually sleep. But trying to explain to you about CMO’s and CDO’s would be like trying to explain rocket science to a caveman. My suggestion is for you to stick to your dogs, after all every pack needs a bitch.
Fleety whines:
“I suppose your proof is some whacko website?
Even worse, you buy it?”
It was from the newspaper the Tuscon Citzen:
http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/07/15/the-comedy-stylings-of-shecky-mccain/
The website has the original clip of the article. So what’s worse, that you couldn’t do a google search yourself or once again that I’ve proven myself again after being called a liar for the upteenth time?
Thank you, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, for proving that you cannot respond to my 3 questions,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384321
Hank Price posted July 15, 2008 at 6:08 am
“Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered
From Physics & Society: July 2008, Volume 37, Number 3
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
….
More here
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm ”
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Yep, there’s more there. . . APS added a disclaimer.
‘Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered’
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
“The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.”
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H/T to a comment at,
‘JunkScience Lies: APS Offers Respectful Correction‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/junkscience-lies-aps-offers-respectful-correction