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Open thread 7/12
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted July 12, 2008 at 6:04 a.m.
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So yesterday, John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is talking to the press in Pittsburgh and tells them the fake names he gave his captors were the Steelers. But in his book, the fake names he gave he captors were the Green Bay Packers.
Wonder if he has told this story with different teams a lot depending on where he needed votes…?
See the video here:
http://tinyurl.com/5ljrdt
Some of Wonder can be found in Pittsburgh. The press about Pittsburgh to gamble.
Tony Snow dies, may he be with God.
Rest in peace Tony.
This is from another blog, but it broke my heart when I read it. Gay teenagers commit suicide at a much higher rate than any other teenage group. For every young person who has the realization they are gay, and they dont know what to “do” about it, I hope they find peace.
I am 15
and I know
that if I just pray
God will stop me from being gay
I go to church
and I know
that if I put my hands together,
cross my fingers
and just pray
God will stop me from being gay
I received the blessing
so I know
that if I put my hands together,
cross my fingers,
click my heels together three times
and pray
God will stop me from being gay
I am 15
and I know
that if I just say
that I am healed
no-one will know that I am gay
I go to church
and I know
that if I just say
the Holy Spirit took my guilt away
no-one will know that I am gay
I tell my parents
and I know
they think it’s their lucky day
They cross their fingers,
kneel and pray
yet deep down they know
their son is gay –
but it’s okay
“I have no reason to be afraid
In God’s image I am made”
http://www.delicatelydeviant.net/burnt_in_hell.htm
…and I see that Dr. Micheal DeBakey has died at the age of 99. How many folks owe their lives, or at least longer lives, to this man?
And which one of those dead gay teenagers could have been the next DeBakey? Or Einstein? Or MLK?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html
By JAD MOUAWAD and MARTIN FACKLER
Published: June 19, 2008
As President Bush calls for repealing a ban on drilling off most of the coast of the United States, a shortage of ships used for deep-water offshore drilling promises to impede any rapid turnaround in oil exploration and supply.
In recent years, this global shortage of drill-ships has created a critical bottleneck, frustrating energy company executives and constraining their ability to exploit known reserves or find new ones. Slow growth in oil supplies, at a time of soaring demand, has been a major factor in the spike of oil and gasoline prices.
Mr. Bush called on Congress Wednesday to end a longstanding federal ban on offshore drilling and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, arguing that the steps were needed to lower gasoline prices and bolster national security. But even as oil trades at more than $135 a barrel — up from $68 a year ago — the world’s existing drill-ships are booked solid for the next five years. Some oil companies have been forced to postpone exploration while waiting for a drilling rig, executives and analysts said.
Demand is so high that shipbuilders, the biggest of whom are in Asia, have raised prices since last year by as much as $100 million a vessel to about half a billion dollars.
“The crunch on rigs is everywhere,” said Alberto Guimaraes, a senior executive at Petrobras, the Brazilian oil company that has discovered some of the most promising offshore oil but has been unable to get at it.
“Almost 100 percent of the oil companies are constrained in their investment program because there is no rig available,” he said.
As a result, drilling costs for some of the newest deepwater rigs in the Gulf of Mexico — the nation’s top source of domestic oil and natural gas supplies — have reached about $600,000 a day, compared with $150,000 a day in 2002.
These record prices have spurred a new wave of drill-ship construction. This boom could lead to renewed offshore oil exploration that would eventually bring more supplies to the oil market, and push down prices.
Already, 16 new drill-ships are scheduled to be delivered to oil companies this year — more than double the number delivered over the last six years combined. In fact, 75 ultra-deepwater rigs should be delivered from 2008 to 2011, according to ODS-Petrodata, a firm that tracks drilling rigs.
Shipyards from South Korea to Norway are working overtime to meet a huge influx of orders.
Robert L. Long, the chief executive office of Transocean, the world’s largest drilling company, said he has nine deepwater rigs under construction, eight of which are already under contract for periods ranging from four to seven years once they leave the shipyards. He expects to receive the ships between the beginning of 2009 and the end of 2010.
Transocean believes the deepwater market will continue to be constrained until at least 2012. Over three-quarters of the drill-ships currently under construction have already been contracted to oil companies eager to benefit from triple-digit oil prices, Mr. Long said.
Petrobras, whose full name is Petróleo Brasileiro, is expected to drive much of the growth in the booming new market. The company has outlined an aggressive program to increase its drilling capacity, and plans to contract or build 69 deepwater drill-ships by 2017.
Brazil stunned the oil world when it announced the discovery of a vast oil field 200 miles south of Rio de Janeiro last November, turning the country’s deep blue waters into the world’s most exciting oil frontier. Energy experts said the field could turn out to be just a small part of the largest oil discovery in 30 years.
But seven months later, the problem is still how to retrieve it. Petrobras has only three rigs capable of drilling in waters that exceed 6,500 feet, like the sites of the new fields.
But drilling constraints are not the only problem facing international oil companies, which are seeking to expand at a furious pace after a decade of underinvestment in the 1990s. They have also had to contend with a doubling of development costs across the industry in the last five years, more acute competition for energy resources, shortages in steel, engineering and manufacturing capacity, and pressures posed by an aging work force.
Also, gaining access to countries that hold oil reserves is becoming tougher as many oil-rich governments see fewer incentives to raise production as they reap the benefits of higher prices.
Offering this man’s “take” on Obama only as an interesting and slightly different one than I had read previously.
Obama’s Enigma
“John McCain is the candidate who actually had experience as a wartime flier, but Barack Obama is the one who has most successfully adapted a favorite tactic of those intrepid aviators. When the pilots were over a target heavily defended by antiaircraft guns, they would release a cloud of fine metal scraps, hoping to confuse the aim of the shells or missiles being fired in their direction.
In the weeks since he effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination, the Illinois senator has done a similar trick, throwing out verbal hints of altered positions on any number of issues. This is creating quandaries for the Republicans who can’t figure out where to aim.”
http://tinyurl.com/6xcp7x
GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE
A La Nina Pacific Ocean cooling event continues to drive tropical and global
temperatures: Globally, June 2008 was the coolest June since 1999, according
to Dr. John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at The
University of Alabama in Huntsville.
While the La Nina is a tropical event, cool temperatures covered a large
portion of the globe. Among the past 30 Junes, June 2008 was the third
coldest south of the Antarctic Circle, fourth coolest in the Southern
Hemisphere and fifth coolest in the tropics.
The Antarctic continent saw its third coldest June in 30 years, with
temperatures averaging -1.53 C cooler than the seasonal norm. Portions of
Anarctica south of Australia were as much as 5.5 C (9.9 degrees Fahrenehit)
colder than seasonal norms for the first month of winter.
While La Nina has caused global average temperatures to fall by more than
0.7 C (about 1.26 degrees F) since January 2007, June was only the eleventh
cooler than normal month since January 1999.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/542395/
I wonder if the continued solar minimum has anything to do with cooling?
http://www.spaceweather.com/
Maybe mccain’s whole story is fake. On the other hand, they probably gave hin the code name ’songbird’ because he rattled off everything he ever knew, and they couldn’t shut him up.
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’ Posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“So all of these co2 stations around the world are suspended in the air and not close to any geological formation?”
———–
They’re sited where they can accurately read CO2 levels. And the measurements have been equivalent to aircraft measured data.
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’: “Well mixed indeed, not likely. Well mixed with what, the co2 coming from my backyard? How many parts per million of co2 am I influencing the Mauna Loa co2 collection site?”
———–
CO2 molecules from your backyard in the past might actually be measured at MLO.
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’: “The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
————
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’ is saying that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data.
People like J. A. Reiset, who from 1871 to 1880, measured the seasonal variations of CO2 on the coast of France.
Why does ‘Regular’ say that they have FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Because he rabidly hates carbon taxes?
And I don’t know where ‘Regular’ lives, but I live on Earth — scientists are accurately measuring the CO2 levels in Earth’s atmosphere.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
Graphs of CO2 data from towers at different heights in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Lower heights show the diurnal changes.
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccgg/diurnal.html
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
GWB as global warming visionary
His ideas have won the day
One of the mysteries of the universe is why President Bush bothers to charge the fixed bayonets of the global warming theocracy. On the other hand, his Administration’s supposed “cowboy diplomacy” is succeeding in changing the way the world addresses climate change. Which is to say, he has forced the world to pay at least some attention to reality.
That was the larger meaning of the Group of Eight summit in Japan this week, even if it didn’t make the papers. The headline was that the nations pledged to cut global greenhouse emissions by half by 2050. Yet for the first time, the G-8 also agreed that any meaningful climate program would have to involve industrializing nations like China and India. For the first time, too, the G-8 agreed that real progress will depend on technological advancements. And it agreed that the putative benefits had to justify any brakes on economic growth.
In other words, the G-8 signed on to what has been the White House approach since 2002. The U.S. has relied on the arc of domestic energy programs now in place, like fuel-economy standards and efficiency regulations, along with billions in subsidies for low-carbon technology. Europe threw in with the central planning of the Kyoto Protocol — and the contrast is instructive. Between 2000 and 2006, U.S. net greenhouse gas emissions fell 3%. Of the 17 largest world-wide emitters, only France reduced by more.
So despite environmentalist sanctimony about the urgent need for President Bush and the U.S. to “take the lead” on global warming, his program has done better than most everybody else’s. That won’t make the evening news. But the fact is that the new G-8 document is best understood as a second look at the “leadership” of . . . you know who.
The G-8 also tends to make grand promises that evaporate as soon as everyone goes home. This year, picking up the “accountability” theme pressed by the U.S., envoys grudgingly accepted a plan that will track — and publicize — how well countries are living up to their word. So when the G-8 endorsed greenhouse reduction “aspirations” that are “ambitious, realistic and achievable,” the emphasis fell on the last two attributes.
Put another way, global warming is an economic, not a theological, question. It is not at all clear that huge expenditures today on slowing emissions will yield long-run benefits or even slow emissions. Research and development into sources of low-carbon energy is almost certainly more useful, and the G-8 pledged more funding for “clean tech” programs. This is vastly preferable to whatever reorganization of the American economy that Barack Obama and John McCain currently favor in the name of solving this speculative problem.
The G-8 also conceded that global-warming masochism is futile and painfully expensive. If every rich country drastically cut CO2, those cuts would be wiped out by emissions from China and India. “Carbon leakage” is a major problem too, where cutbacks in some countries lead to increases in others with less strict policies, as manufacturing and the like are outsourced. This whack-a-mole won’t stop without including all 17 major economies, which together produce roughly 80% of global emissions.
Much to the ire of Kyotophiles, Mr. Bush started this rethinking last year when he created a parallel track for talks on a post-2012 U.N. program, luring China and India to the table with more practical options. But developing countries, led by that duo, still refused to sign on to the G-8’s 2050 goal. They aren’t eager to endanger their growth — and lifting people out of poverty — by acquiring the West’s climate neuroses.
The irony is that Kyoto has handed them every reason not to participate. Europe knew all along that it couldn’t meet its quotas, so it created an out in “offsets.” A British factory, say, buys a credit to pay for basic efficiency improvements in a Chinese coal plant, like installing smokestack scrubbers. This is a tax on the Brits to make Chinese industries more competitive. Sweet deal if you can get it.
It gets worse. The offsets are routed through a U.N. bureaucracy that makes them far more valuable in Europe than the cost of the actual efficiency improvements. So far, Kyoto-world has paid more than _4.7 billion to eliminate an obscure greenhouse gas called HFC-23; the necessary incinerators cost less than _100 million. Most of the difference in such schemes goes to the foreign government, such as China’s communist regime.
Given these perverse incentives, the magical realism of Kyoto has backfired in a big way. The global warming elite will never admit this, because that would mean giving up their political whip against George Bush. But Kyoto II is already collapsing under its own contradictions. By sticking to a more realistic alternative, this reviled President has handed his green opponents a way to save face.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121573566257544347.html
cosmos_originally
Posted July 12, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’ Posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“So all of these co2 stations around the world are suspended in the air and not close to any geological formation?”
———–
They’re sited where they can accurately read CO2 levels. And the measurements have been equivalent to aircraft measured data.
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’: “Well mixed indeed, not likely. Well mixed with what, the co2 coming from my backyard? How many parts per million of co2 am I influencing the Mauna Loa co2 collection site?”
———–
CO2 molecules from your backyard in the past might actually be measured at MLO.
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’: “The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
————
Mulit-nic’d ‘Regular’ is saying that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data.
People like J. A. Reiset, who from 1871 to 1880, measured the seasonal variations of CO2 on the coast of France.
Why does ‘Regular’ say that they have FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Because he rabidly hates carbon taxes?
And I don’t know where ‘Regular’ lives, but I live on Earth — scientists are accurately measuring the CO2 levels in Earth’s atmosphere.
—————————————–
I live in Wichita, Kansas.
Where do you live cosmos?
Why are you so secretive about who you are and where you live?
Where do you live cosmos? If not in Wichita, why are you commenting here on this blog?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 16, 2007 at 12:01 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253676
“The GW Alarmists don’t like using the old Flask Data because they say it was pulled near cities where we live. Yeah okay, I don’t know any size population that lives in Antarctica or on top of a Volcano either. That’s where the Alarmists pull their samples.
Duh, imagine pulling samples where we actually live. (shrugs)”
—————–
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Why do you believe that atmospheric CO2 samples should be from “where we actually live”?
Do most people live high up in the atmosphere?
Does your “Wichita, Kansas” have streets and office building going far up into the atmosphere?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Posted by Hank,
“Put another way, global warming is an economic, not a theological, question.”
———
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theology
“1: the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God’s relation to the world”
———
Hank’s “theological” reports?
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
BIG OIL…some truths from the trenches.
Bill Phillips spent nearly 50 years in the US oil and gas industry; most of his career was with the Phillips Petroleum Company. Bill is a descendant of Frank Phillips. Frank Phillips, along with his brother Lee Eldas (L.E.) Phillips, Sr., founded the original Phillips Petroleum Company in 1917 in Bartlesville, OK. Do you remember Phillips 66 gas stations? Phillips Petroleum Company merged with Conoco, Inc. in 2002 to form the current ConocoPhillips oil company.
So, when Bill talks about oil and gas issues, I tend to listen – very closely. I think that you will find Bill’s thoughts and facts very revealing, very compelling and very difficult to argue with.
As you prepare to cast your crucial ballots this Fall, please think long and hard about the far-reaching, cumulative effects of the US political philosophies, policies and legislation that have contributed to the current and future US oil supply situation.
May 28, 2008
“Big Oil”
Did you know that the United States does NOT have any big oil companies. It’s true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies–all owned by foreign governments or government-sponsored monopolies–that dominate the world’s oil supply.
This graph below tells the story; you can barely see the American oil companies as minor players on the right side of the chart in gray. The chart was presented to the House committee last week by Chevron.
With 94% of the world’s oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States , the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, ExxonMobil, a “small” oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it refines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e, mostly-hostile foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the price the big oil companies charge ExxonMobil and the other small American companies for crude oil is going up as the value of the American dollar goes down. They will eventually bleed this country into printing even more money and we will go into runway inflation once again as we did under the Carter Democratic reign.
This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The irony is that it doesn’t have to be that way. The United States –unlike, say, France –actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable to shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia , Russia and Venezuela to be used in propping up their economies.
So, why doesn’t it happen? Because the Democrat Party–aided, sadly, by a handful of Republicans–deliberately keeps gas prices high and our domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off limits to development. China is now drilling in the Caribbean, off Cuba but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil fields off the coasts of Florida and California . Enormous oil-shale deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward supplying American consumers’ needs, but the Democratic Congress won’t allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum reserves, but we don’t know how vast, because Congress, not wanting the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let alone develop them.
In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democratic Party’s perverse energy policies. I own some small interests in tiny, 4 barrel-per-day oil wells in Wyoming We have 14 agencies that have iron-hand jurisdiction over us. If we drop any oil on the ground when the refinery truck comes to pick up oil from our holding tanks, we are fined. Yet down the road the state will spray thousands of gallons of used oil on a dirt road to control dirt. When it rains that oil runs into rivers and creeks. Yet a cup of oil on the ground at our wellhead is a $50,000 EPA fine plus additional fines from state regulating agencies. They treat oil as if it were plutonium that has the potential to leak into the environment. We are fined if our dirt burms are not high enough around a holding tank, yet the truck that picks up our oil runs down the road at 60 mph with no burm around it. People wonder why there is no more exploration in this country. It’s because of the regulators; people who have lived their whole lives doing nothing but imposing fines on small operators like us for doing mostly nothing.
So, America enjoy your $4.00 per gallon gasoline. Your dollar is now worth 0.62 Euro-Cents. The lack of American production of GNP, the massive trade deficit (as labor markets have moved overseas to fight insanely high union imposed labor costs in America ) and the run away printing of money (backed by nothing of value here in America ) has caused the dollar to become more worthless on the international market. And that’s where our oil comes from. It’s paid for with dollars that become more worthless everyday. If we had just kept par with the Euro we’d be paying $62 dollars per barrel for oil (42 gallons) or about $1.50 instead of $2.50 a gallon for crude oil.
What the US government also does not tell you is that it is the leaseholder and royalty recipient of most oil production and receives 25% of the gross oil sales before we pay for electricity to lift the oil, propane to keep the oil-water separators from freezing in the winters. We pay a pumper to visit each well everyday plus we have equipment failures all the time. We pay for that out of our 75% of gross sales. The government does not share in any expenses to run any production well. So, if the Big Oil Companies are making record profits, then so is the federal government from it’s 25% tax on every molecule of oil sold to a refinery in this country. Why isn’t the government on the stand for “Record” profits? What you don’t see is this 25% of the sales price of crude oil being siphoned away by the government. That money plus the road taxes, state taxes, etc. amounts to over $1 per gallon of gasoline you are buying while the governments only admit to about 50 cents per gallon.
To all you Democrats, when you go vote for your candidate, a blazing liberal like Barrack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton, just keep in mind that their liberal spending habits will further decrease the value of the American dollar on the world market and your gasoline costs will hike even higher. As they introduce more give-away programs, raise taxes on everyone to pay people not to produce or work, your dollar will continue to dwindle on the world market and you will be paying $10.00 per gallon at the next election. Cheap hydrocarbon fuel is all over. Enjoy! Enjoy the fruits of your decision to elect these folks when you are there in that voting booth and you stab your pin through a Democrat’s name.
William “Bill” Phillips
Regular: “Where do you live cosmos? If not in Wichita, why are you commenting here on this blog?”
KFG doesnt live in Wichita. SolDevVB doesnt live in Wichita. Rage doesnt live in Wichita. Max lives in Wichita? [:roll:] Pmama doesnt live in Wichita. okobserver lives on planet earth?? [:roll:]
Does Regular believe that only Wichitans should post on this Blog? Tsk Tsk Tsk
Conclusion: Regular believes he owns the Blog!!
:-D
Got a link for that diatribe, RWNB??
“Chas” –
“Bill Phillips’” letter has been floating around the internet since March, 2000.
http://tinyurl.com/5ex5xq
The “when you cast your ballot” appeal was made in n effort to get more votes for George WMD Bush than Al Gore in 2000.
In March, 2000, I paid $1.49.9 for a gallon of gas.
I wonder just how has “Bill Phillips’” advice worked out for for ol’ “RedWhiteNBlue.”
;^}
Thanks Monkey!!
Chas posted,
“KFG doesnt live in Wichita. SolDevVB doesnt live in Wichita. Rage doesnt live in Wichita. Max lives in Wichita? [:roll:] Pmama doesnt live in Wichita. okobserver lives on planet earth?? [:roll:]
Does Regular believe that only Wichitans should post on this Blog? Tsk Tsk Tsk
Conclusion: Regular believes he owns the Blog!! ”
————-
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has said that he represents “Kansas values”.
He represents “Kansas values” by lying about the Sierra Club.
And saying that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data.
What part of May 28, 2008 do you not understand?
That’s the date on Bill Phillip’s letter.
Obviously Bill Phillips has updated his letter.
Not the last parragraf. It mentions Barrak Osama and the Hildebeast! Was that even an issue in March,2000 as you claim?
HA!
Got a link for that diatribe, RWNB??
It is amusing to see so many people from distant places trying to tell us how to live our lives here in Wichita.
Don’t you have a blog in your town, Chas? Or is it just more fun to play here?
Taz, you ignorant slut… I AM in Wichita LOL
I see Chas, our resident minister, is displaying his wonderful spirit of calling someone an “ignorant slut.”
Got a link for that Bill Phillips diatribe, RWNB??
Chas,
Do a google search for it, you know how to do that don’t you?
Isn’t that what you would say?
My mistake…sorry. I thought you were in Texas for some reason.
Here I thought there might be some adult conversation here…obviously, I was wrong. Nothing but juvenile insults continue.
Yea, Nathan, you got a problem with that??
SHOVE IT!!
Chas,
I think that someone who claims to be a minister should have a problem with using that kind of language.
The question is, why don’t you?
RW&B,
You’ll fall for anything.
Read the top of page two, as of May 2007 the ‘govt. take’ was about 13% (and ofcourse that wouldn’t include the oil that the companies under report!)
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07676r.pdf
Nathan, ever watch SNL?? LOL
Chas,
Yes, what does that have to do with calling someone an ignorant slut?
Hey, Taz is what Taz is LOL
SHOVE IT, NATHAN!!
Chas,
You should take more time in prayer and reflect on the mean, nasty, and vulgar things you say on this blog and if that is how God would really want a minister to act.
Thats exactly how God would want me to address the Sons of Vipers on this Blog…
MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812
“THE BTICH QUITS!”
Nathaniel posted June 7, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“I guess I can’t wear my T-Shirt now…
LIFE IS A %$#%$, WHY VOTE FOR ONE?“
EL DORADO POLICE IGNORE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN:
My very good friend was held captive by her boyfriend in their house with a gun, and the police still have yet to file charges, or arrest the man who did it.
When my friend asked why the man hadn’t been arrested, the arresting police officer, JEFF MURPHY, said that he deemed the guy to no longer be a threat.
The man was suicidal, threatening to kill another woman that he had previously had an affair with…and since the officer took the gun from the man, he said that she was safe. That it was just him blowing steam and that he didn’t really mean any harm. WHAT THE HELL?
Now the DA hasn’t even seen the case according to teh DA, because my friend called, and the officer will not call her back.
Do we need to come and protest the ILLEGAL and INEPT actions of the ElDorado police department?
We will do it.
Chas,
Who exactly are you calling “Sons of Vipers”
Last time you said it was ok to talk to evil people like this you played your silly little game of saying you didn’t actually call someone evil.
So are you saying that it is ok to call Taz an ignorant slut because she is a son of a viper?
I am not sure that makes it better, actually, it makes what you are saying worse.
The fact that you refuse to see this is why several people here routinely mock the fact that you call yourself a minister.
The fct that I refuse to agree with you gives you reason to mock my being Clergy… Wow, what a lying friggin pharisee you are Nathan… That would make you one of the Sons of Vipers… AMEN!!!
Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
Regular: “Where do you live cosmos? If not in Wichita, why are you commenting here on this blog?”
KFG doesnt live in Wichita. SolDevVB doesnt live in Wichita. Rage doesnt live in Wichita. Max lives in Wichita? [:roll:] Pmama doesnt live in Wichita. okobserver lives on planet earth?? [:roll:]
Does Regular believe that only Wichitans should post on this Blog? Tsk Tsk Tsk
Conclusion: Regular believes he owns the Blog!!
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It’s a legitimate question and one that deservers to be answered.
Of course, answered only if you have the courage and convictions to do so.
cosmos has neither, he will never answer.
deservers = deserves
Chas,
I never said I was mocking your being a minister.
I simply think that your language and attitude is unbecomming of one.
REGULAR >>>
It only means you have no self-perceived “power” over Cosmos… which is what you want…
Below are a few lines from Obama’s books; In HIS OWN WORDS!
From Dreams of My Father: ‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’
All you Obama maniacs explain away as best you can, or conger up and lie, but his words speak the truth before he was ‘running for the most powerful office in the this country’, and maybe the world, and can no longer be ‘honest’ about himself.
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Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
REGULAR >>>
It only means you have no self-perceived “power” over Cosmos… which is what you want
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No, it means if I go on my hometown blog, I expect to see the opinions and discussions with hometown people.
…not some yahoo from who knows where that remain anonymous because they don’t believe that strongly in their convictions to put their reputation on the line.
cosmos remains an anonymous coward.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Why do you keep asking me to provide personal information?
Why do you believe that atmospheric CO2 samples should be from “where we actually live”?
Do most people “live” high up in the atmosphere?
Does your “Wichita, Kansas” have streets and office building going far up into the atmosphere?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Show us your proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
cosmos remains an anonymous coward.
And cosmos has CO2 on the brain and nothing else.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot answer my legitimate questions.
Why do you believe that atmospheric CO2 samples should be from “where we actually live”?
Do most people live high up in the atmosphere?
Does your “Wichita, Kansas” have streets and office building going far up into the atmosphere?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has no proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data. He’s a liar.
Get over yourself James.
I wouldn’t have to look far at all to find YOU claiming that you live somewhere other than Wichita. A lie among many lies of yours. You yourself eventually posted your own hometown address
As far as this being a hometown blog? We’ve had posters from as far away as Denmark.
Will you have a similar standard for solie, okobserver, and Max?
You’re just torqued ’cause cosmos is handing you your butt.
BoxClocked says:
“And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’”
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Well, now, if that isnt the biggest bunch of BS yet…. We are supposed to believe any of those alleged quotes are real because??? Because YOU claim it?? LOL
“No, it means if I go on my hometown blog, I expect to see the opinions and discussions with hometown people.”
And so? Fire up your old blog and take as many of the cons with ya as will go.
Boxlock = Sons of Vipers
There are a few (Tara for example) who are away from Wichita for various reasons. They probably want to “keep up” with home town news and opinions.
I don’t see a reason we need to know where anyone considers home. It’s theirs to share if they choose, not ours to question.
I love the diversity! Would welcome more.
I agree Linda
Chas,
For someone who routinely gets so upset about anyone questioning your being a minister or not, don’t you ever stop to look at the way you act here by calling others names and the attitude you have?
Perhaps if were not so quick to get upset, so quick to call someone names, and so quick to be nasty, people wouldn’t question your being a minister.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aEURwsrUSQ
This one is good!!
SHOVE IT, NATHAN!! Go to your corner!! Sons of Vipers indeed!!
Chas,
The truth hurts. You are just too prideful to admit it.
Very funny, Linda LOL :-)
Tastefully done, don’t ya think!? ;-)
One of those laugh to keep from crying situations.
SHOVE IT, Nathan… When we want your fundmentalist, self-righteous, pharisee-inspired, neo-con opinion we will ask for it… Sons of Vipers!!
Very well done, Linda!! Still laughing!!
cosmos is an anonymous coward to afraid to put his reputation on the line for his convictions.
If you can’t back it up with your real name and where you live, then you are a coward.
Plain and simple.
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lindainks55
Posted July 12, 2008 at 8:14 pm | Permalink
There are a few (Tara for example) who are away from Wichita for various reasons. They probably want to “keep up” with home town news and opinions.
I don’t see a reason we need to know where anyone considers home. It’s theirs to share if they choose, not ours to question.
I love the diversity! Would welcome more.
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tara is from Wichita, I have no objections.
It’s when outsiders come in and spew hatred on our local community I don’t care for.
I don’t go to other states and terrorize their blogs.
I expect others to treat this blog with the same respect.
In fact, out of towners should not even be able to log in, imo.
“If you can’t back it up with your real name and where you live, then you are a coward. Plain and simple.” spews Reguliar
OK Reguliar…what’s YOUR name, address, phone # and your sister Linda’s as well.
Put up or shut up “coward”.
Typical Republican response when their fanny gets spanked…take away a Constitutional right:
“In fact, out of towners should not even be able to log in, imo.” -Reguliar the NeoNazi.
Do we need tall fences, razor wire? Maybe we need to section off all the internet? Yeah, CONTROL, that’s what we need! Let’s segregate by locale, age, gender, race, sexual orientation, let’s use ALL the protected classes! lol
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KansasNative
Posted July 12, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
“If you can’t back it up with your real name and where you live, then you are a coward. Plain and simple.” spews Reguliar
OK Reguliar…what’s YOUR name, address, phone # and your sister Linda’s as well.
Put up or shut up “coward”.
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What does my sister have to do with this blog?
and you will notice no Lib will take on this Kansasnative, whoever he is for his misconduct on this blog.
Not even lindainks.
And folks, that says a lot about Libs.
cosmos has not spanked me or won in any debate.
The fact that computer climate models are inaccurate according to cosmos own words and the fact that his alarmist climate scientists use these inaccurate climate models speaks volumes about the futility of his argument.
cosmos has nothing to argue for, his science is not a science, it’s a political movement.
By the way, my name is James McCluer and I live in Wichita, a native born Kansan.
I don’t have to fake my way in here, I’m the real deal.
Now, the challenge is to cosmos.
Of course, he won’t do it, because cosmos is a coward hiding behind a computer screen.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 8:38 pm
“cosmos is an anonymous coward to afraid to put his reputation on the line for his convictions.
If you can’t back it up with your real name and where you live, then you are a coward.
Plain and simple.”
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Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, aka “JM” was dumb enough to provide clues that identified him.
“JM” was outraged when his identity was made public on this anonymous blog.
And now. . . with his name, etc known, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ lacks the courage to answer my questions:
James, WHY do you believe that atmospheric CO2 samples should be from “where we actually live”?
Do most people live high up in the atmosphere?
Does your “Wichita, Kansas” have streets and office buildings going far up into the atmosphere?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has NO proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
“JM” is an identified liar, and coward.
cosmos is still a coward hiding behind a computer screen, relying on inaccurate computer climate models that are not complete nor do they have even a fraction of empirical data need to make an assessment on climate.
Notice the ridiculous assertions that cosmos makes about street and office buildings going far up into an atmosphere.
Only one who is losing their argument and has no standing resorts to such tactics.
Well as to global warming there James?
Why would you even raise an opinion? You’ve got what, another 20 years tops?
You have no kids.
Why would you care about the planet? Ergo, why would anyone take you seriously?
I’ve explained more times than anyone can count — everyone here is responsible for themselves. I am responsible for each word I post and I do it under one nic so everyone can easily tell what I think about any given subject, what opinions I hold. I don’t expect to “remake” myself, expect no one to support or defend me. I am me, my words and opinions are mine. I can disagree (agreeably I might add) with any poster here, or not, I can stick up for any poster I choose, or not. None of that will make a bit of difference because I’m only responsible for me and what I post.
What we post tells a lot about who we are. And we each form our own opinions — as good and as useless as thee next!
I am not what anyone else wants to make me. I am what I make myself.
Mulitinic Reguliar wants to regulate free speech…typical whining Republican.
Those morphine patches are supposed to be on your butt…not in your mouth mulitnic!
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BlueJay
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
Well as to global warming there James?
Why would you even raise an opinion? You’ve got what, another 20 years tops?
You have no kids.
Why would you care about the planet? Ergo, why would anyone take you seriously?
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At least you know who you are dealing with.
cosmos is an unknown from who knows where and hides behind his computer screen to cast his aspersions.
I’m very sure he wouldn’t do the same if he was known or where he lived.
Most libs are like that.
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an’ pretend
’cause I’ve heard it all before
And I’ve been down there on the floor
No one’s ever gonna keep me down again
CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
’cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
’cause you’ve deepened the conviction in my soul
CHORUS
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin’ arms across the land
But I’m still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand
Oh yes I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
FADE
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
Oh, and it’s none of anyone’s business where I live, where I was born, etc. etc. IF I choose to share any personal info about myself it will be my decision and based on my opinion of whether I can trust the person I share with.
And I will blog wherever I choose.
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KansasNative
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink
Mulitinic Reguliar wants to regulate free speech…typical whining Republican.
Those morphine patches are supposed to be on your butt…not in your mouth mulitnic!
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I don’t take pain killers. If in pain, I go to see a physician and get the proper treatment.
But you know kansasnative, you have never posted anything of intelligence on this blog.
Just attack posts and ad hominem.
No one will ever take you seriously, because you are another coward hiding behind their computer screen.
You’ve threatened to kill people James.
I understand you threatened to break into someone’s office and wreck it.
You’ve made it all but impossible for there EVER to be another Eagle or otherwise open meetup.
You whine and cry about personal attack. But you want cosmos’s personal info so you can take out your frustration and general illness on him.
lindainks55
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
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That song went out twenty years ago. Is your attitude and song choice stuck in time?
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BlueJay
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
You’ve threatened to kill people James.
I understand you threatened to break into someone’s office and wreck it.
You’ve made it all but impossible for there EVER to be another Eagle or otherwise open meetup.
You whine and cry about personal attack. But you want cosmos’s personal info so you can take out your frustration and general illness on him.
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Tell more lies James Ryan Remil.
For once in your lifetime, try telling the truth and deal with the issues.
You can’t.
All you know how to do is attack other people’s character.
You haven’t a clue what it takes to discuss issues.
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KansasNative
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
Still no name, address, phone # from the anonymous multinic Reguliar…
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I posted my name and the city I live in.
Which is more than you and cosmos have.
Are you a coward like cosmos?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 16, 2007 at 12:01 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253676
“The GW Alarmists don’t like using the old Flask Data because they say it was pulled near cities where we live. Yeah okay, I don’t know any size population that lives in Antarctica or on top of a Volcano either. That’s where the Alarmists pull their samples.
Duh, imagine pulling samples where we actually live. (shrugs)”
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James lacks the courage to answer my questions:
James, WHY do you believe that atmospheric CO2 samples should be from “where we actually live”?
Do most people live high up in the atmosphere?
Does your “Wichita, Kansas” have streets and office buildings going far up into the atmosphere?
James, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
James has NO proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
James is an identified liar, and coward.
“I’m very sure he wouldn’t do the same if he was known or where he lived.”
What you mean here is that you cannot beat him in debate. SO you want to intimidate him on a personal level.
You want the capacity to threaten him.
Like when you threatened terror on the blog?
Obama opposes excluding Russia from G8
McCain has said he would push for Russia’s removal from the G8 as punishment for rolling back political freedoms.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1238156020080713?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
cosmos is an anonymous coward who hides behind his computer.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos admits that computer climate models are inaccurate and cannot predict the future climate.
cosmos makes up false statements on what other posters post.
cosmos is a liar.
cosmos is not a scientist.
(just playing cosmos game and not responding,just like he does)
I can even twist his words around like he does to other people.
cosmos believes that well mixed co2 occurs because some fairy dust makes it happen. cosmos things that co2 readings are identical all over the world. If cosmos believes there are identical readings all over the world, then why waste the money doing readings?
cosmos does not understand what it takes to do empirical data collection.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a coward.
Regular,
It looks like you took lessons from Franklin today.
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BlueJay
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:31 pm | Permalink
“I’m very sure he wouldn’t do the same if he was known or where he lived.”
What you mean here is that you cannot beat him in debate. SO you want to intimidate him on a personal level.
You want the capacity to threaten him.
Like when you threatened terror on the blog?
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cosmos would be easy to be in a 1 v 1 debate live.
cosmos has no scientific training and doesn’t understand what it takes to do lab work and field experimentation, I do.
cosmos would not be allowed to use blog sites.
cosmos would not be able to use the tactics he uses here in a real debate.
cosmos would lose.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos does not understand empirical science.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ (James) posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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James, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
Is it because James hates carbon taxes?
James has NO proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
James is an identified liar, and coward.
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lindainks55
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink
Regular,
It looks like you took lessons from Franklin today.
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And you took your lessons from Helen Redding and a decades old song?
cosmos is an anonymous coward who hides behind his computer.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos admits that computer climate models are inaccurate and cannot predict the future climate.
cosmos makes up false statements on what other posters post.
cosmos is a liar.
cosmos is not a scientist.
(just playing cosmos game and not responding,just like he does)
I can even twist his words around like he does to other people.
cosmos believes that well mixed co2 occurs because some fairy dust makes it happen. cosmos things that co2 readings are identical all over the world. If cosmos believes there are identical readings all over the world, then why waste the money doing readings?
cosmos does not understand what it takes to do empirical data collection.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a coward.
cosmos makes up imaginary quotes from users and posts them as false statements.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ (James) posted July 12, 2008 at 9:35 pm AND 9:40 pm
“cosmos believes that well mixed co2 occurs because some fairy dust makes it happen. cosmos things that co2 readings are identical all over the world. If cosmos believes there are identical readings all over the world, then why waste the money doing readings?”
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My post upthread, 1:58 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-712-2/#comment-382630
Graphs of CO2 data from towers at different heights in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Lower heights show the diurnal changes.
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccgg/diurnal.html
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
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“Kansas values” James LIES about my posts, and about climate science.
“cosmos is not a scientist.”
Neither are you James. And just how is it you KNOW cosmos is not a scientist?
“bth” Ben IS a scientist. Oh but you just wave away his credentials too.
Dr. Huie is indeed a scientist. He is however, not a climate scientist. I respect his opinion on chemical analysis, but feel he has fallen into the political trap of global warming alarmism and has lost his objectivity.
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KansasNative
Posted July 12, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink
Let’s see…Reguliar accuses me of misconduct…but HE has threatened people, stalked them, and NOW he wants names and addresses of bloggers.
Reguliar is a drunk nut case.
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More lies.
I never asked for the addresses of people, nor have I stalked them.
I only ask to know where people live and why they are posting here on the blog.
cosmos and yourself evidently don’t feel man enough to give your real name on the blog and stand up for what you believe, so you hide behind your computer screens.
McClueless
“but feel he has fallen into the political trap of global warming alarmism and has lost his objectivity.”
In other words, he doesn’t agree with you so he is wrong.
Seems an awful LOT of people have fallen into the same “trap”.
I’m going to introduce you to a new concept James.
YOU can be wrong. Now I know that is a shock to an egomaniac like yourself. But you are going to have to face that. YOU can be wrong.
And if there is even the remotest possibility that you ARE wrong as to global warming? Is it a fight you really wish to continue to pursue?
Hey I could be wrong too. Cosmos and ben, and the balance of the scientific community COULD be wrong.
But if they are? What have we lost.
Measure that against what we lose if YOU are wrong. Make such an important issue just a little bit bigger than the edge of your ego.
And cosmos side is losing.
The latest G8 summit proves my point. Countries are now realizing they can’t go bankrupt because of a few knotheaded scientists’ opinion.
0.8 degrees temperature climb in one century is well within the margin error for temperature samples.
To claim that it is some kind of global warming threat is ridiculous and hilarious in its assumption.
Not even a full degree. The argument has no merit.
“And cosmos side is losing.”
No, James, we are not.
And you can try and convince yourself otherwise. You can stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes. It’s rather childish, but it is your option.
Things HAVE to change. They just do.
Why fight that and be afraid of it?
“cosmos would be easy to be in a 1 v 1 debate live.
cosmos has no scientific training and doesn’t understand what it takes to do lab work and field experimentation, I do.
cosmos would not be allowed to use blog sites.
cosmos would not be able to use the tactics he uses here in a real debate.
cosmos would lose.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos does not understand empirical science.”
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When my kids did stuff like this, they got sent to their rooms… When records got broken, we used to throw them in the garbage.. as they were worthless.. I suggest we all do likewise with this infantile bull sh*t!!! And he is worried about an out of towner messing up the Blog?? What a stupid temper tantrum!!!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ (James) posted July 12, 2008 at 10:09 pm
“Not even a full degree. The argument has no merit.”
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It’s more than a degree in the upper northern latitudes.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
And more warming is in the “pipeline”, due to the thermal inertia of the oceans, and other factors.
No one is afraid of climate change, but the fear mongers of global warming alarmism.
Climate change is happening, it is natural and humans will adapt.
Putting taxes on a particular natural gas, co2, will not solve problems, it will bankrupt entire nations as the G8 agreed it would and why they made their recent decision to go along with Bush.
The kyoto treaty and its premise was fatally fraud and took in some gullible countries.
The results? Countries that participated are in ever increasing debt and their annual co2 levels have gone up every year. It is a failed policy that uses faulty science.
If one really wants to address energy use, then look to industry to lead the way. That’s where innovation always comes from, not from government.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Governments do not invent, individuals do.
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Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink
“cosmos would be easy to be in a 1 v 1 debate live.
cosmos has no scientific training and doesn’t understand what it takes to do lab work and field experimentation, I do.
cosmos would not be allowed to use blog sites.
cosmos would not be able to use the tactics he uses here in a real debate.
cosmos would lose.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos does not understand empirical science.”
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When my kids did stuff like this, they got sent to their rooms… When records got broken, we used to throw them in the garbage.. as they were worthless.. I suggest we all do likewise with this infantile bull sh*t!!! And he is worried about an out of towner messing up the Blog?? What a stupid temper tantrum!!!
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Just stating the facts Chas.
cosmos would lose 1 on 1 in a person to person debate.
Regular resorts to posting statements that he cannot prove… just LIES because he cannot refute what Cosmos says… LIES LIES LIES LIES
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ (James)
You’ve claimed that you represent “Kansas values”.
WHY did you LIE about my CO2 claims, as I proved here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-712-2/#comment-382804
James, does your LYING prouldy represent “Kansas values”?
Does James have the “courage” to answer my questions? Or will he just post more lies about me?
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Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
Regular resorts to posting statements that he cannot prove… just LIES because he cannot refute what Cosmos says… LIES LIES LIES LIES
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No lies, just facts. I’m am confident in my knowledge and training. cosmos needs opinion blogs to defend himself, I do not.
“Necessity is the mother of invention. Governments do not invent, individuals do.”
Don’t you UNDERSTAND who you and the deniers of global warming are in that statement James?
YOU are fighting to protect the status quo. That being the slavery to fossil fuels?
That’s bigger than any government. And it is NOT sustainable or defensible.
If you really are for innovation and invention, you have spent your evening fighting it. MORE waste in the most wasteful nation on this planet.
Whenever cosmos stops putting every post about me with multi-nic’d blah blah blah, then I might respond to him.
Until then, he is ignored and I feel pleased to acknowledge him with nothing positive.
When cosmos stops re-phrasing people’s words, then I might respond to him.
When cosmos stops making up positions for people that they have never said or wrote, I might respond to him.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos has no credibility.
cosmos hides behind a computer screen.
cosmos has no courage.
cosmos is a coward.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ (James) posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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James, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
It seems to be because James hates carbon taxes. Is that the reason, James?
James has NO proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
Their CO2 data is accurate.
REGULAR STILL LIES >>>>
“cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos has no credibility.
cosmos hides behind a computer screen.
cosmos has no courage.
cosmos is a coward.”
James, PROVE EVEN ONE of those statements… Let’s see your self proclaimed brilliance shine through… PROVE JUST ONE OF YOUR MANY LYING STATEMENTS about Cosmos!!
JUST ONE PROOF!!! JUST ONE!!
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BlueJay
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink
“Necessity is the mother of invention. Governments do not invent, individuals do.”
Don’t you UNDERSTAND who you and the deniers of global warming are in that statement James?
YOU are fighting to protect the status quo. That being the slavery to fossil fuels?
That’s bigger than any government. And it is NOT sustainable or defensible.
If you really are for innovation and invention, you have spent your evening fighting it. MORE waste in the most wasteful nation on this planet.
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No, I’m a realist.
I know it will take many decades to transition from fossil fuels.
You cannot tax people into submission and expect them to go along with a politically driven bogus science.
As I’ve written before, I’m anti-coal and anti-coal plant. But, for reasons of horrible pollution it causes, not because of co2.
Famine and water resources are much more important than the laughable 0.8 degree warming.
Real pollutants like mercury and Sulfate compounds and other dangerous chemicals are much more important to deal with than co2.
Disease and finding cures for AIDs and cancer is much more than 0.8 degrees in one century.
It’s all about priorities.
I’m not spending a nickle on the screaming hyenas of politically driven science.
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Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
REGULAR STILL LIES >>>>
“cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos has no credibility.
cosmos hides behind a computer screen.
cosmos has no courage.
cosmos is a coward.”
James, PROVE EVEN ONE of those statements… Let’s see your self proclaimed brilliance shine through… PROVE JUST ONE OF YOUR MANY LYING STATEMENTS about Cosmos!!
JUST ONE PROOF!!! JUST ONE!!
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You ask him Chas.
I ask him often and he refuses to answer.
He refuses to answer, then it follows the others are true.
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 10:34 pm
“Whenever cosmos stops putting every post about me with multi-nic’d blah blah blah, then I might respond to him.”
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Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?
It seems to be because ‘Regular’ hates carbon taxes. Is that the reason, ‘Regular’?
‘Regular’ has NO proof that they have FALSIFIED the CO2 data.
The AGW climate scientists CO2 data is accurate.
James… IF you indeed have the “super intellect” that you claim here daily, then you know for a FACT that Cosmos’ refusal to answer your stupid LIES does not make your statements true…
Even a KID knows that much, idiot!!
Carbon taxes are totally unnecessary. Anyone who advocates more taxes should have their head examined.
Only a socialist world order believes in taxation as a solution.
Taxes are inherently a dead end to a long term problem. Throwing money into a bureaucracy is not the way to solve problems.
The G8 conference has proven carbon credits and taxes are inherently flawed solutions as co2 levels have risen every year in those countries participating in the Kyoto protocol.
It does not work, because taxes are not a solution.
It is not my job OR my nature to pander. So I won’t.
I’ll put it this way.
IS fossil fuel dependence sustainable and wise?
IS it a good thing?
And if it isn’t, why fight in favor of it? Because doing otherwise is hard?
Chas,
This is an anonymous blog. I’m not using my credentials to argue my points about AGW.
‘Regular’ is a liar, as I easily proved here.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-712-2/#comment-382804
‘Regular’ cannot support his invalid opinions with any facts or logic, so he instead posts lies about me, and climate science.
May 28, 2008
“Big Oil”
“Did you know that the United States does NOT have any big oil companies. It’s true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies–all owned by foreign governments or government-sponsored monopolies–that dominate the world’s oil supply.
With 94% of the world’s oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States, the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, ExxonMobil, a “small” oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it refines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e, mostly-hostile foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the price the big oil companies charge ExxonMobil and the other small American companies for crude oil is going up as the value of the American dollar goes down. They will eventually bleed this country into printing even more money and we will go into runway inflation once again as we did under the Carter Democratic reign.
This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The irony is that it doesn’t have to be that way. The United States–unlike, say, France–actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable to shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venezuela to be used in propping up their economies.
So, why doesn’t it happen? Because the Democrat Party–aided, sadly, by a handful of Republicans–deliberately keeps gas prices high and our domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off limits to development. China is now drilling in the Caribbean, off Cuba but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil fields off the coasts of Florida and California. Enormous oil-shale deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward supplying American consumers’ needs, but the Democratic Congress won’t allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum reserves, but we don’t know how vast, because Congress, not wanting the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let alone develop them.
In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democratic Party’s perverse energy policies. I own some small interests in tiny, 4 barrel-per-day oil wells in Wyoming. We have 14 agencies that have iron-hand jurisdiction over us. If we drop any oil on the ground when the refinery truck comes to pick up oil from our holding tanks, we are fined. Yet down the road the state will spray thousands of gallons of used oil on a dirt road to control dirt. When it rains that oil runs into rivers and creeks. Yet a cup of oil on the ground at our wellhead is a $50,000 EPA fine plus additional fines from state regulating agencies. They treat oil as if it were plutonium that has the potential to leak into the environment. We are fined if our dirt burms are not high enough around a holding tank, yet the truck that picks up our oil runs down the road at 60 mph with no burm around it. People wonder why there is no more exploration in this country.
It’s because of the regulators; people who have lived their whole lives doing nothing but imposing fines on small operators like us for doing mostly nothing.
So, America enjoy your $4.00 per gallon gasoline. Your dollar is now worth 0.62 Euro-Cents. The lack of American production of GNP, the massive trade deficit (as labor markets have moved overseas to fight insanely high union imposed labor costs in America) and the run away printing of money (backed by nothing of value here in America) has caused the dollar to become more worthless on the international market. And that’s where our oil comes from. It’s paid for with dollars that become more worthless everyday. If we had just kept par with the Euro we’d be paying $62 dollars per barrel for oil (42 gallons) or about $1.50 instead of $2.50 a gallon for crude oil.
What the US government also does not tell you is that it is the leaseholder and royalty recipient of most oil production and receives 25% of the gross oil sales before we pay for electricity to lift the oil, propane to keep the oil-water separators from freezing in the winters. We pay a pumper to visit each well everyday plus we have equipment failures all the time. We pay for that out of our 75% of gross sales. The government does not share in any expenses to run any production well. So, if the Big Oil Companies are making record profits, then so is the federal government from it’s 25% tax on every molecule of oil sold to a refinery in this country. Why isn’t the government on the stand for “Record” profits? What you don’t see is this 25% of the sales price of crude oil being siphoned away by the government. ; That money plus the road taxes, state taxes, etc. amounts to over $1 per gallon of gasoline you are buying while the governments only admit to about 50 cents per gallon.
To all the Democrats, when you go vote for your candidate, a blazing liberal like Barrack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton, just keep in mind that their liberal spending habits will further decrease the value of the American dollar on the world market and your gasoline costs will hike even higher. As they introduce more give-away programs, raise taxes on everyone to pay people not to produce or work, your dollar will continue to dwindle on the world market and you will be paying $10.00 per gallon at the next election. Cheap hydrocarbon fuel is all over. Enjoy! Enjoy the fruits of the decision to elect these folks when in that voting booth and stab the pin through a Democrat’s name.”
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Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
James… IF you indeed have the “super intellect” that you claim here daily, then you know for a FACT that Cosmos’ refusal to answer your stupid LIES does not make your statements true…
Even a KID knows that much, idiot!!
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I never claimed to be a super intellect. My cousin’s IQ is much higher than mine and has trouble understanding the difference between a syringe and a needle when he gets a shot.
cosmos cannot defend his position and the results of the recent G8 conference are proof of it that the world has seen through the ruse of carbon credits and taxes.
It’s a failed political plan, it was never about science.
Ops, sorry…inadvertently left off the credit, if not the quotation marks.
The above was presented to congress by Bill Phillips, if the name sounds familiar it should.
Bill Phillips spent nearly 50 years in the US oil and gas industry; most of his career was with the Phillips Petroleum Company. Bill is a descendant of Frank Phillips. Frank Phillips, along with his brother Lee Eldas (L.E.) Phillips, Sr., founded the original Phillips Petroleum Company in 1917 in Bartlesville, OK. Do you remember Phillips 66 gas stations? Phillips Petroleum Company merged with Conoco, Inc. in 2002 to form the current ConocoPhillips oil company.
So, when Bill talks about oil and gas issues, I tend to listen – closely. I think that you will find Bill’s thoughts and facts very revealing, very compelling and very difficult to argue with.
As you prepare to cast your crucial ballots this Fall, please think long and hard about the far-reaching, cumulative effects of the US political philosophies, policies and legislation that have contributed to the current and future US oil supply situation.
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm
“Carbon taxes are totally unnecessary. Anyone who advocates more taxes should have their head examined.”
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Is that a “yes” to my question to you at 10:34 pm ?
“‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?”
Well there are taxes of government there James.
And then there are taxes on growth and development and innovation.
Haven’t you figured out that big money and big business are FAR larger than “big government”?
All we can HOPE for is that government can fight back for us a little. It’s our job to make that happen against the influence of money and business.
Government is accountable to it’s citizenry. Business is accountable only to the bottom line.
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“I never claimed to be a super intellect. My cousin’s IQ is much higher than mine and has trouble understanding the difference between a syringe and a needle when he gets a shot.”
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‘Regular’
Thank you for explaining the thinking(sic) behind your posts.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 12, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm
“Carbon taxes are totally unnecessary. Anyone who advocates more taxes should have their head examined.”
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Is that a “yes” to my question to you at 10:34 pm ?
“‘Regular’, WHY do you believe that scientists worldwide, from the 1800’s through today, have performed a global CONSPIRACY, and FALSIFIED CO2 data?”
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Don’t put beliefs as a statement on something I never wrote.
I believe the co2 data collected as a well-mixed representation is a misrepresentation and says nothing about the real levels of co2 around the world.
co2 levels in a forest are going to vastly differ from co2 levels from a desert.
Yet, the alarmist ignore these samples stating they are unrepresentative. CO2 just doesn’t stop pumping from one area just because you set up a sample station in another.
High or low co2 levels would ‘bother’ the conveniently consistent sample rates that alarmist lay claim to.
It would be like me setting up temperature stations near urban areas and averaging them in with rural temperature stations and come up with a conclusion about urban temperature rise.
Wait, nm, the alarmist already do that.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 12, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“I never claimed to be a super intellect. My cousin’s IQ is much higher than mine and has trouble understanding the difference between a syringe and a needle when he gets a shot.”
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‘Regular’
Thank you for explaining the thinking(sic) behind your posts.
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Just a fact, my cousin’s IQ has been rated at 175. He is absolutely brilliant in mathematics. Common sense things, not so much.
Chas
Posted July 12, 2008 at 7:15 pm | Permalink
Thats exactly how God would want me to address the Sons of Vipers on this Blog…
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Now God talks to Chas?
Chas is able to Judge others now?
Blasphemy!
cosmos_originally
Posted July 12, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink
MaxGrobnik posted June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-67/#comment-364812
“THE BTICH QUITS!”
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I never claimed to be a Pastor Cosmos.
Have a nice evening.
Max = Sons of Vipers — to be ignored with all the other Pharisees…
Max go back to your padded cell… your keeps want to put you to bed now…
Nothing much to see here but Lies and more Lies… Soooo…..
Good night; good luck; and God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So long Tony Snow!! May God have mercy on your soul!! Peace!!
So mote it be!!
In the Book of Proverbs, the Bible says:
Proverbs chapter 30 (NLT)
5 Every word of God proves true. He defends all who come to him for protection. 6 Do not add to his words, or he may rebuke you, and you will be found a liar.
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Don’t put beliefs as a statement on something I never wrote.”
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Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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Okay, according to ‘Regular’,
The data is “nearly identical”. . . “calibrated as non-empirical samples”.
Scientists are submitting as “bona fide samples the calibration gas” + “imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
The scientist’s CO2 data is “purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air“.
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To me, the above sounds like a (global) scientific conspiracy to falsify the CO2 data.
Not everyone can be a good preacher.
In the Letter of James in the New Testament, the Bible says:
James chapter 3 (NLT)
1 Dear brothers …, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged by God with greater strictness. 2 We all make many mistakes
Elsewhere in the New Testament, Paul wrote to Christians:
Romans chapter 16 (NLT)
17 … Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things that are contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.
2 Timothy chapter 3 (GWT)
13 Evil people and phony preachers will go from bad to worse as they mislead people and are themselves misled.
Regular posted July 12, 2008 at 11:05 pm
“Just a fact, my cousin’s IQ has been rated at 175. He is absolutely brilliant in mathematics. Common sense things, not so much.”
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‘Regular’ seems to share his cousin’s lack of common sense.
Mat 7:15, 20-23 (NIV) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves… Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them… Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers!’”
Deut. 18:20-22 (NIV) “A prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously…”
Jer 8:10-12 (NIV) “From the least to the greatest all are greedy for gain; prophet and priest alike, all practice deceit. They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush.”
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe — and tremble.
Scripture Twisters:
(8) We twist the Scriptures by privately interpreting them (2 Peter 1:20-21). Over the years I have observed many of these “independent” Bible students. In truth, they are arrogant and unteachable.
The irony is they often are eager to teach others, and they often can be found attempting to straighten out the church.
Peter teaches us that the Scriptures were not only inspired by the Holy Spirit, they are to be interpreted by the illumination of the Spirit. Why is it that the church at Antioch (and, in my opinion, most healthy churches) have more than one gifted teacher?
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1741
ahhhh ….. the GW bloggers — the finest group of mental midgets on this or any blog — so old soo redundant — sooo insignificant — so full of themselves
…. did ya wet your finger and tap that garage thermometrt before you all recording your research ?
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