In an essay in the Nation, John Nichols assesses how Barack Obama’s 50-state strategy is going, in light of the latest Rasmussen poll putting John McCain ahead of Obama 52 to 32 percent among Kansas voters. Kansas was seen as a symbolic state, Nichols says, but now doesn’t look any more likely to turn blue in 2008 than it has since 1964: “If Obama could make it there, he could make it anywhere — or so the theory went. As it happens, Obama is not making it in Kansas.
“So perhaps now we can acknowledge the limitations that Obama has imposed on his own candidacy and get serious about the contest that is beginning to take shape — a contest that will end, predictably enough, with most red states backing McCain, most blue states backing Obama, and a handful of purple states tipping the balance.”
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Kansans are blindly stupid. The older generation that even remotely MAY have voted for a democrat won’t vote for a black man…and do NOT tell me that has nothing to do with it because it certainly does.
The sad thing is the regions where Obama is the least likely to get support are the same regions where Obama would like to invest millions of dollars in alternative energy. Leave it to Kansans to vote against their own interests.
What did you expect? More coal plants?
Voting against your interests is not the same as “Kansas voting against its own interests”, Maggot puke.
a contest that will end, predictably enough, with most red states backing McCain, most blue states backing Obama, and a handful of purple states tipping the balance.”
I think the key word is “most.”
http://electoral-vote.com/
Pretty darn close Chris from FundyTown.
Well hell, seems like captain, monkey, et al said obama would turn the state blue, be a godsend to down ballot democrats, and end the reign of terra enjoyed by repukes here for so long.
heheheheh.
I’ve got beach front property in western kansas I’d like you to buy…
Seems like the obama supporters are no more reliable than obama himself.
Predictions or fantasy?
Hillary certainly wouldnt have done any worse in kansas.
Told ya.
The makers of Obama had a strategy….
To beat Senator Clinton in the primary.
THAT was the extent of their “strategy”. And maybe a definition of just who some of those folks REALLY were.
THIS former Republican turned solid blue hears TWO cons running for President. I’m not inclined to vote for either one of them.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
Correct me if I’m forgetful, but I don’t recall ever predicting Obama’s candidacy would carry Kansas.
I dont have the energy for a bone dig Monkey. Readers here will remember what they remember.
I just remember you swooning like a teenage girl after you heard one of obama’s promise and preaching orations.
Whatever. I predict very little change from mr. hope if he is elected.
FISA anyone?
But, but, Obama can change things! He was gonna make my brown eyes and this red state blue!
He was gonna turn the cons into reasonable approximations of humanity! They could be worked with!
Turns out the only thing he can change is his own rhetoric.
And why would he want to change his rhetoric?
I think he LOVES making people faint while he tells sweet little lies.
Had the repukes run a decent candidate, obama would be bleating hope and change from the losers gallery.
What was obama’s vote on FISA? And what was Hillary’s vote?
donnie mclurkin must be so proud. Wonder what his cabinet position will be?
“ksfarmgrrl” supported Senator Clinton in the Democratic primaries because President Hillary would declare gay marriage legal in her inaugural address
HEE HEEE HEE HEE.
At least that’s how I “remember” it.
Bull-muffins.
It’s a purposeful distortion of my opinions for supporting Obama’s candidacy.
The CONs who contribute to this forum are forced to distort the facts to make their pathetic little whining, racist, bigoted posts. You don’t have to stoop so low.
Correct me if I’m forgetful, but I don’t recall ever predicting Obama’s candidacy would carry Kansas.
As I recall, you said something like “Shucks, who knows, even Kansas might turn blue, though I don’t realistically expect it to happen.”
So you are correct.
There IS still the convention…
Hey Obama has clearly changed.
That’s the problem with unquestioned blind love. It means he never has to say he’s sorry. He just seeks more of same.
Oh how I wish for an…..interesting…convention.
I’ve never thought a Democratic candidate would carry Kansas YET, but I think it’s coming. It’s been pointed out that the youth vote isn’t dependable and the old coots votes are. But youth don’t stay young and those social issues many Kansans base their votes on don’t have the same impact with younger people. Younger people know the Republicans have spent them into lifetime debt, sent their peers off to a war of choice, continue to be warmongering saber rattlers and can’t give enough to BIG business no matter how many Americans it hurts!
Sentor Obama beat Senator Clinton in the primaries! She was a fierce, well spoken, well informed and highly qualified opponent. One many wanted to see in the White House next January. Obama won that contest and deserves the credit for that win.
Just because Kansans can hold their nose and vote for McCain for no better reason than he has an “R” beside his name isn’t an indication our entire country is that backward, ill informed, full of hate. There will be enough people in enough states to understand the harm bush has done to our country and know that McCain has no policies and no ability to do anything differently.
The worst-case scenario is McCain is elected this fall. He has proven to be so malleable we can move this country in spite of him. I’m betting on even greater chances for improvements!
Donuts make your brown eyes blue.
On a lighter note, my garden is paying off like a slot machine.
We’re getting about a half a bushel a day out of it.
My okra is doing very well and we’re getting cucumbers, squash, peppers, onions, tomatoes and Japanese eggplant every day.
I planted ‘dipper gourds’ for fun and to give the neighborhood children, they are growing wild! I trim them back twice a day!
Donuts make your brown eyes blue.
Hey, that’s what happens when you buy your donuts from the Wolf Creek Commissary.
Good morning Rage,
It’s from my favorite Crystal Gayle song:
Donuts make your brown eyes,
Donuts make your brown eyes,
Donuts make your brown eyes bluoo .. oooh .. oooh!
Heh, yeah, I’m familiar with the song, Hank. Just having a little Sunday morning fun.
P.S. By the way, I think the line is “make my brown eyes blue.”
What’s your secret to controlling the grasshoppers, Hank? I don’t want to spray pesticide…maybe I need to invest in chickens…do your ducks like to eat the pesky little critters?
Hey Mary,
Haven’t had too many grasshoppers. I have sprayed for squash beetles, had to.
I usually plant a perimeter of marigolds around the garden, they annoy most garden insect pests. You can also make a ‘tea’ out of them and use as a natural spray.
This year the marigold seeds didn’t survive all the rain. I bought some marigolds plants and tried them. Rain got them to.
Ace Hardware. Bug spray. Little green bottle. The green makes you think it’s environmentally friendly. Works for me.
Want any tomatoes?
Everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest “cover” of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of Muslims.
Thanks, Hank! I’m down in the basement blogging while Dave is upstairs working his poor little butt off…so I didn’t hear you knock. Did you see Dave got the floor leveled?
I need to stop now and go get a life.
Yum!!!! They’ll go good with the porkchops I’m cookin’ for lunch.
Sorry. Wong thread
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Posted July 20, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
Everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest “cover” of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of Muslims.
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Ok, then.
“Everyone is born Christian”..really?
That’s interesting.
I too am beginning to think the reason so many of RWB’s conversations end quickly ain’t in fact due to his dandy evilution debatin’ stagety.
I think they end quickly because most people realize there just ain’t ever going to be enough things in common there, and life’s too short.
Since this is a week we all talked about satire, it’s very possible RedWhiteNBlue is giving us further opportunities to learn what satire is.
Guess it’s also possible s/he is sincere. We read much the same from posters professing their sincerity and above-normal wisdom.
Psst. . .Pedant! I don’t want to spoil it for everyone, but. . .see the Open Thread.
Could be satire, linda, I agree.
If it is, it’s really good stuff!
Thanks Rage!
That’s what I get for never clicking on anybody’s link here at WEBlog…
I apologize if I ever made Obama sound like the perfect candidate. He’s not. Far from it.
I live in the reality-based community too (as opposed to where the BushCONs live), and there’s plenty to not like about Obama. He partly flip-flopped on the FISA bill–in which he fought to strip telecom immunity for illegal spying from the bill (good) but then caved and voted for it anyway because he knew he couldn’t stop immunity (bad).
Even FDR had to be pressured to do the progressive thing many times.
What I can’t figure out is why progressives would think that Clinton would be better. The Clinton’s are the poster children for sacrificing liberals on the high altar of CORPORATOCRACY.
Witness how Robert Rubin was picked as chief of Clinton’s economic council, a guy who earned 26 million working for Goldman Sachs. He quickly gutted real tax reform on the mega-millionaires.
Clinton’s are the people who gave us NAFTA, the fast-track for outsourcing jobs and driving down wages. They signed the Defense of Marriage Act, outlawing gay marriage. In addition, Hillary stood by her man when he lied to her and the nation, but it did buy him time so he could re-elected before the scandal broke. Hillary herself sat on the board of WalMart, fergoshsakes.
The Clinton’s are always about the Clinton’s, make no mistake.
Out of the candidate field that ran, we got the best one by far.
If you look at more than ONE issue, there will never be a perfect candidate. There is plenty of disagreement among Democrats regarding a variety of interests. If we all walked in lockstep, we would be like, ah, Ditto Heads.
The fact of the matter is EVERY candidate is a compromise. While I have been a Obama supporter from the beginning, there are issues that I differ from his position.
That fact, however, won’t keep me from voting for him in the Fall.
I was not/am not a big fan of Bill Clinton, despite the fact that I voted for him twice. In order to take a seat of power, you first have to win. Clinton won, and Obama will do the same.
Just a lightning post from Kansas because I’m aware that you haven’t heard about Clinton yet. We took off and headed for Clinton. We choose to stay at a bone dig Monkey, mainly because it was That fact we could find.
Clinton That is incredible, horrifying, and troubling. I don’t know why Kansas get such a bad rap. The board in Berlin in considerable.
Even FDR had to be pressured to do the progressive thing many times.
I can’t vouch for the authenticity of this story, but it’s extremely relevant:
I’ll close with one of my favorite political stories. It concerns my all-time favorite president, FDR. He was meeting with a group of reformers trying to persuade him to support one of their goals. After they finished speaking, FDR said to them, “You’ve convinced me. I want to do it. Now make me do it.”
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/progressive-obama-it-takes-movement.html
Now, compare that to these comments from Obama staffers on the FISA bill (courtesy of Obama tech advisor Larry Lessig):
When you talk to people close to the campaign about this, they say stuff like: “Come on, who really cares about that issue? Does anyone think the left is going to vote for McCain rather than Obama? This was a hard question. We tried to get it right. And anyway, the FISA compromise in the bill was a good one.”
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html
Considering that the bill made quick work of the Fourth Amendment (to say nothing of the immunity provisions), this is nothing short of shocking. There was no “compromise” to it, and the only good parts (as Obama and Pelosi weakly argued) were the Congressional reports from the Inspector General, 6 months after the fact, (and which have little to do the activities that were made legal.
Even worse, a clear signal has gone forward: formerly harsh critics (like Lessig) have done their own abrupt about-face, and speak now of the “hysterical left,” ignoring the gravity of the situation.
I give great credit to the dissenting Obama supporters, who finally got CNN’s attention, but it was too late to make a difference (this time). But, corporate media aside, it was further undercut by those supporters who uncritically parroted the talking points (ahem, sorry u-no-hoo, but it’s true) without really examining the issue itself.
It doesn’t have to be this way. His political history in Illinois suggests that, despite going along with Steny Hoyer on this tone-deaf vote, he’s in tune with the political music–whatever it’s source. I, again, highly recommend the Ryan Lizza article in the latest New Yorker ( http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza/?yrail ).
We just have to get louder.
P.S. About Clinton: I greatly thank her for her belated ‘no’ vote, but she didn’t do any heavy lifting opposing the bill. That thankless task was left to people like Russ Feingold and Chris Dodd. In fact, she missed the first vote while she was at (drumroll, please). . . .
. . . a unity rally with Obama.
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In an essay in the Nation, John Nichols assesses how Barack Obama’s 50-state strategy is going, in light of the latest Rasmussen poll putting John McCain ahead of Obama 52 to 32 percent among Kansas voters.
But what about the other 7 states of Obama’s 57 state tour?
cat Regular > /dev/null
# cat $rage >/dev/null >/dev/null
# If “$rage” does not exist, relief.
# If “$rage” does exist, contents not listed to stdout.
# Therefore, no output from rage equal celebration.
#
# cat $rage &>/dev/null >/var/log
# cat /dev/null > /var/log/messages
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# cat /dev/null > /var/log/wtmp
# cat /dev/null > dump
So, it turns out that all the media hype and hullaballoo has had no effect. It seems the “Obama-nation” sensation is all a put on. Thank God for Hannity, Rush, Levine, Savage, Ingrahm, and O’Reilly for being there to counteract the pigs in the MSM. An earlier poster had it right. Obama was used to take out HRC, which he did. Now they have no idea what to do with him.
# cat $rage >/dev/null >/dev/null
Heh, gotta admit, that was amusing!
But you’re forgetting: I’m not subject to shell interpolation.
I’m a constant.
Here’s one aspect of telco immunity I didn’t consider:
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Rage
Posted July 20, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
Here’s one aspect of telco immunity I didn’t consider:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/SIMXHjccfAI/AAAAAAAAA7M/_cYHAPjX0PA/s1600-h/convention.jpg
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can you hear me now?
See, the cons are so crooked that they intentionally threw the election. Democrats who are true democrats, you shot us in the foot.
Where are all those dems from the caucus now huh?
It’s not too late.
There is still the convention.
Obama’s “bump” on winning the primary was minimal.
McCain continues to close on him.
Obama is not winning new friends. He is losing old ones.
Senator Clinton did her duty for party. She shut and and sang.
But?
Obama cannot continue to pander to the right.
ONE more like his NAACP speech or his FISA vote and many will be forced to call for action at the convention.
……………….. and WHAT is going to happen at the convention to change anything, J R?
Perfection is the enemy of the good.
If one waits for the perfect candidate before he or she supports them, you’ll be waiting for Jesus to return.
I’d probably grudgingly be supporting Hillary if she were the nominee now too, just because in a two-party system like the one were stuck with for the forseeable future, it’s either that or Satan’s brother.
However, I’d very much like to see Pelosi, Reid, Steny Hoyer and Clinton get knocked off by real Democrats next election cycle . . .
McCain isn’t closing on Obama, JR.
You’d rather be proven right than help do what’s right for our country?
My only goal is “the common good.”
Other than that, I have no stake in the outcome.
“the common good”
Sounds a whole lot like “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
WS and Capn.
I do not make Obama say the things he says.
I don’t know who or what does.
I just know that Senator Clinton left the party an escape route. Mostly, I have been silent about that.
But this election is very important. As I say, Obama MUST remember where he comes from and who he claims to represent. IF he continues to pander to the right then action must be taken.
That’s what your parents did for you isn’t it goofnut?
Junior,
You have proven yourself irrelevant.
The end.
Only a hard-right idiot could object to the phrase “the common good.”
Hey Jeenyous, if you don’t like it, why don’t you sue Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison and all the other founders who wrote this in The US Constitution: “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
But I forgot–you believe in the rule of CON, not the rule of law . . .
Noting: none of the libs have denied their egregious affections to the aforementioned Marxist tenet.
“Noting: none of the libs have denied their egregious affections to the aforementioned Marxist tenet.”
What an asshole you are Dave the Golfer, do we need to deny every stupid comment made by an idiot right moron?
Christ, that would take all day………
~gasp~
Another personal attack by DA.
*Utter shock*
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