“Before we decide on fiscal policies that affect our economy, shouldn’t we have some idea on what we are doing and what the outcomes might be if we make those changes?” said state Rep. Nile Dillmore, D-Wichita. Absolutely. That’s why Dillmore was smart to insert a provision in the state budget requiring an audit of the cost of illegal immigration in Kansas. The audit, which is expected to be completed during the next legislative session, will try to determine the costs to the state of Kansas for benefits and ervices provided to illegal immigrants, the estimated tax revenues from illegal immigrants, and whether the taxes they pay offset the costs of benefits provided. Though there is a lot of rhetoric about how much illegal immigrants cost taxpayers, it may be that the taxes they pay and the economic impact they make exceed the social costs, and that punitive laws might harm the state’s economy. A study by the Oklahoma Bankers Association determined that an anti-illegal immigration law in that state will cause $1.8 billion in economic losses.
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In this case, I think state Rep. Nile Dillmore is on the right track to request more information on which to base important decisions.
Recently I heard a Neocon make the argument that the way the Americans have benefited from the one sided trade deals is. That though wages have gone down in the U.S. so has the prices and cost of living.
You made less but can buy more with the money you make. I wanted to ask him which America he lives in?
Illegal immigration provides cheap labor, that is why so many Republicans are not wanting to do anything meaningful to stop it. Combined with the Democratic who see it as a human rights issue, there is little if anything done to stop the crime. The restaurant you eat at is cheaper because of illegal employment.
The remodeling and construction is cheaper because of it. Those on welfare should be filling these jobs, since welfare is more than what one would have working for minim wage.
There is no doubt that America not only needs the immigrants that are here now- legal and illegal but that we will need millions of more of them in the future to do the work we need done to keep our economy moving. There simply are not enough native Americans to fill the millions of labour intensive jobs in the service and construction sectors. This is why we badly need immigration reform and an amnesty program for those already here that are working, paying taxes, learning English and not getting in any trouble with the law.
Essentially, welfare accepts the taxes in the costs. Illegal immigrants uses Microgaming gambling software. So here’s Illegal immigration; if you don’t have illegal immigrants, then don’t play like you do.
However, I also feel somewhat disappointed cause I missed welfare. There is welfare. We arrived in the state on the 25th, via The restaurant.
This is all about money. Hiring cheap labor to keep the bottom line up. Our state is now a sanctuary state.
Wait until all the jobs are exported, and your job is eliminated.
Don’t look, don’t ask, don’t tell is the policy of state agencies. We are talking about freedom and preserving our rights as Americans. Before long they will be gone unless you stand up NOW.
This is where CON compartmentalization gets in the way of reality.
If we spend (borrowed from the Chinese) money for a war against an enemy which wasn’t there before we fought them, Halliburton employees and stockholders collect paychecks. If we spend money for welfare, landlords and grocery stores and car dealers and restaurants, etc. get the money… and go buy more food and real estates and cars… here at home.
If you believe anything about what Chambers of Commerce have ever said about the power of a local economy, you come to realize American money is better spent for a hamburger at Spangle’s instead of for a bomb that explodes in Baghdad.
Now what exactly is the question Mr. Brownlee, that some laws don’t need to be enforced, but instead treated with ‘a wink and a nod’, if it is justifiable by some.
Gosh, that’s what I thought criminals do all the time, decide that though their actions are illegal it does benefit them so it is justified.
Either respect and enforce the law or change them, putting no restrictions on entry into OUR country. What is happening is breeding a general disregard for the law in general.
“llegal immigration provides cheap labor, that is why so many Republicans are not wanting to do anything meaningful to stop it. Combined with the Democratic who see it as a human rights issue”.
Oh BuLL!!! Republicans may look the other way, just as Democrats do to obtain cheap labor, and they maybe afraid to do much, as the DemLibs use it to attack politically to gain votes. The real reason the Dems don’t do anything is they see the illegals as Democrat voters and want as many as possible even if it harms the U.S. Kind of like prostitution…it satisfies an immediate need (money) at the the cost of long term harm.
I have long-time friends who live in ElPaso, TX (the Rio Grande defines the border of El Paso and Mexico). They are business owners, intelligent, hard-working staunch Republicans, only recently NOT bush defenders. Honestly, salt of the earth type people would be an accurate description of this man and woman.
They become nearly foaming at the mouth and quite irrational when immigration is spoken of. They fret, the are soooo against allowing anyone from America’s southern borders access to anything American. These intelligent people come off as raving lunatics on this subject!
Annnnnd, he has an army of brown men who manicure his yard and take care of his pool while she has a woman who cleans weekly and she speaks to through hand signals and pointing. These services cost them very little!
Neither of these intelligent, hard-working, salt of the earth people sees any hypocrisy in this.
I can discuss almost anything with these people, even bush (remember they both voted for him twice! and most here know my feelings). I can’t even broach this subject. How can anyone speak to someone rationally when they are irrational on the subject? I wonder how many involved lawmakers at every level are like my friends? If there are very many, the conversation seems fated not to advance!
“There is no doubt that America not only needs the immigrants that are here now- legal and illegal but that we will need millions of more of them”
Uh no.
What we need in this country is a little better appreciation and compensation for labor.
Mexico needs that too. Their people are not going to fix their country by ruining ours.
This topic is the reason I started posting here in the first place. I’m an ex-IRS collections employee (thus ‘Pub17′). Nobody’s going to listen to this, but if this does p1ss you off, pass it on, because I’m done trying.
If you have fantasies about illegales at least paying taxes, read Pub 17, under ‘Dependents.’ Table 3-1 is one place. Legitimate dependents are those people you support who live in the U.S., Canada, AND MEXICO.
Get it? Not the kids who live in your house, ANY ONE IN THE COUNTRY OF MEXICO WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE SUPPORTING IS YOUR DEPENDENT. It’s in the book, brethren.
Worse. If IRS DOES catch you cheating and finally pops your wages, you can’t be forced to pay back more than an amount set by law depending on your filing status and, you guessed it, number of exemptions. That’s in Form 1494. Six exemptions, for example, the first $2658.33 per month of your wages is exempt from levy.
How many illegales do you think are paying income tax in this country AT ALL? How many illegales who get caught cheating on their taxes do you think we’re collecting back taxes from?
“Taxpayers in our country pay more than $100 billion every year on health care and other services for illegal immigrants, including education, law enforcement costs, and housing.”
– U.S. Congressman Dean Heller-Jan. 2008
The question is not “do” illegal aliens cost Kansas money, the question is “how much” do illegal aliens cost Kansas.
It’s a slow morning: here’s the links.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf
Search for “overview of the rules”
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1494.pdf
There is ONLY one standard that applies to immigration. That is the LAW.
-It’s not what they (illegal immigrants and their advocates) want.
-It has nothing to do with someone’s perceived concept is of what’s moral.
-It has nothing to do with considering the perceived impact on families.
-It has nothing to do with considering the needs of the illegals.
-It has nothing to do with taking into account their motivations for illegally entering.
-It has nothing to do with any claims the illegals advocates may make; such as: they do the jobs American won’t (absolutely wrong), they benefit our economy (they absolutely don’t), they aren’t a drain on our social services, infrastructure and education systems (wrong again).
The only standard that applies to immigration is the LAW!!!
After careful review, anyone with a even a modicum of logic can come to no other conclusion: illegal immigration must be halted, illegal immigrants here now must be deported and legal immigration needs decreased from the approx. 2 million allowed in per year currently.
Please review the following report on the FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION by economist Edwin Rubenstein released in April 2008:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf
A partial summary of the report:
The impact on 15 Federal Departments surveyed was: $346 billion in fiscal related costs in FY 2007.
Each immigrant cost taxpayers more than $9,000 per year.
An immigrant household (2 adults, 2 children) cost taxpayers $36,000 per year.
Legal immigrants were not separated out from illegal immigrants for the fiscal impact study, but if they had been, the fiscal cost per ILLEGAL immigrant would be even more shocking than the figures quoted above.
The most extensive and authoritative study, prior to economist Edwin Rubenstein’s “The Fiscal Impact of Immigration” (April 2008) , is the National Research Council (NRC)’s The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal Effects of Immigration (1997).
The NRC staff analyzed federal, state, and local government expenditures on programs such as Medicaid, AFDC (now TANF), and SSI, as well as the cost of educating immigrants’ foreign- and native-born children.
NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal annual expenditures and pays $10,664 in federal taxes—that is, they generate a fiscal deficit of $2,682 (1996 dollars)per household.
In 2007 dollars this is a deficit of $3,408 per immigrant household.
With 9 million households currently headed by immigrants, more than $30 billion ($3,408 x 9 million) of the federal deficit represents money transferred from native taxpayers to immigrants.
Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While improving the plight of the world’s poor is a laudable goal, the finite resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there wasn’t some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit for our country.
The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into anarchy.
BALDERDASH! First, I do not believe for one second that illegal aliens are having a positive impact on Oklahoma’s economy, and certainly not to the extent stated in Phillip’s post. Second, I do not believe that it is possible to make a comprehensive and accurate accounting of the economic impact of illegal aliens in this or any other state. It’s not as if illegal aliens respond to census surveys or file IRS1040s. It’s not as if many ‘employers’ even file I9s or W4s. Is the state going to do a comprehensive survey of businesses in Kansas and identify all of those ‘independant contractors’ out there? I have absolutely no faith that whatever numbers the auditors crunch will be, in any way, accurate or truly represent the economic hemorrage created by illegal aliens. Whatever numbers they present will represent a small percentage of tangible aliens – a vast minority. It’s the proverbial adage – we can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. Of course, certain interests deliberately and selectively keep their eyes closed. I am particularly interested in seeing the reports line item about costs of unemployment created by illegal aliens when they displace American workers from their jobs.
Pub17
How do the “Illegal” get around paying SS taxes, assuming they file or have payroll deductions?
How many legal and citizen low income famlies pay taxes?
How many of the “Illegal” with phony SS #’s can file for refunds?
Why did the IRS recruit the “Illegal” for ITINs?
Ituyu
1. SS DOES get paid into, IF THEY WORK ENOUGH, and, most important, if they’re working on a W-2. If they’re working on 1099’s -HA HA HA HA HA HA.
2. Many, many legal, low-income citizens are working the system to the max; Earned Income Credit is HUGE. The record I saw was five different people claiming the same baby as a dependent. What they don’t know, of course, is that the Big Computer catches 100% of that kind of double-dipping.
However, especially in the South, and we’re talking all races here, there’s a large populations of sentimental fools who think it’s NOT their right to work the system for every nickel, and take it upon themselves to VOLUNTARILY pay off back taxes as fast as they can because these backwards souls are actually embarrassed. Can you imagine? What children they are.
3. All of them, and they do. Again, EIC is what buys the F350 Crew Cab, not welfare.
4. TINs are like driver’s licenses for illegales, in that there IS an argument to be made that it’s one way to keep tabs on them. It may not seem right, but the alternative is an underground economy.
Now if KansasNAIVE can only stick to the topic and quit with the ad hominem.
But that of course is far too much to ask of such a juvenile nitwit, and that is simply responding to what was thrown first.
Naive, try to post something of value at least once, even if you have to plagiarize it or get someone to help.
Edwin Rubenstein works for VDARE and the Heritage Foundation. He gets paid to manipulate figures to fit the anti-immigrant agenda. As an economist, the guy is virtual NOBODY! Who would consider his paid propaganda reliable?
Pub 17,
1. 1099’s are you sure about that? Over 500 Billion is the suspeanse account from 1099’s?
2. Okay so most of the low income pay little or no taxes aside from SS contributions right? And, since you’re speaking of “all races”, what do you use to exclude the “Illegal” that pay using ITINs in order to keep on the up and up?
3. Agreed. But how many of the “Illegal” qualify for welfare? NONE unless you consider benefits to their American born children.
4. We don’t have an underground economy?
The American consumer is most at fault for both the illegal immigration problem, AND the exporting of jobs. They will spend $1.50 in gas to save .50… They will cut off their noses to spite their face, all in the name of smart consumerism!
I can recall a contractor who built a ball diamond for a small town, telling me how he missed a bid on a kitchen remodeling job by $150. The customer in question had a daughter who was benefiting from a full ride athletic scholarship she earned playing on the field that he built for free!
To add insult to injury, he employed the husbands cousin, along with a bunch of other LEGAL American citizens! No illegals!
He called them out on it, and their responce was one of being insulted, he was accused of trying to “rip them off”
It was the straw that broke the camels back. Over the next two years, he weeded out the “lazy American” workers, has taken on twice the number of employee’s who are illegals and spends 50% less on payroll. The 1/4 million per year he funneled back into the community through charity vaporized as well.
WE ARE THE PROBLEM! NOT BUSINESS! We control what we buy, who we buy it from, and how we buy it! They deliver the product and service WE ask for.
On the flip side of all the jobs going overseas, why don’t we go after those markets? Market our goods as “high line, top end etc…” American products are very popular in China for those who can afford it. The cheap crap we import from there right now is fueling that entire nation’s rise out of the stone ages, and creating future markets for the entire world. They have more people living without electricity, in one room huts than the entire population of the United States and Europe COMBINED! As those people become consumers, their will be more demand for products and goods than the rest of the world is even capable of providing! China is good for everybody when looked at long term!
It’s you that’s dancing Naive, you’ve got nothing to contribute but personal attacks.
Little man….little, not even a man.
Remember Social Security comes out automatically from W-2’s, which is why employers who employee casual labor love 1099’s, far less paperwork. How many illegales do you think file quarterlies?
Again, it’s not IRS’s business to enforce immigration policy, no more than it should be the DMV’s. There’s strong arguments on both sides-on the one hand wrong is wrong, but on the other hand how else can you keep ANY track of who’s where?
Illegals on straight welfare ain’t no thing. They ALL want to work. But free medical care, especially delivery rooms, is killing big-city ER’s, and mandatory public education is clobbering some of the big-city school districts. Worse, the California experience is that LEGAL Hispanics go on to post-secondary ed at a lower rate than urban African-Americans, and some Hispanic families have been in California since before there was California. That’s supposed to be the payoff for free ed-eventually the brightest turn into super-taxpayers and producers. Ain’t happening, won’t happen, based on all the experience we’ve got.
Finally, no we DON’T have an underground economy. The biggest fools on the planet are those who take cash for work (wink wink-just between you and me, right? IRS don’t need to know). Imagine their surprise when they find three years later that the nice boss who paid them cash reported it to IRS anyway. Why? 1. Nice boss gets to take reported wages as a business expense, heavy tax deduction. 2. Nice boss invariably claims he paid them three times what they actually got. 3. The sucker who took the cash is going to get anybody to listen to HIS side of No. 2? HA.
There’s a coterie of old poops with bolo ties out there who think they’re getting away with something because they’re bartering kegs of nails for automatic transmission fluid changes. You only THINK you know what gets reported to IRS. In other words, yeah, there’s an underground economy, in the sense that, yeah, there’s people who import uncertified cars into the U.S. in crates marked “farm equipment.” BFD.
“How do the “Illegal” get around paying SS taxes, assuming they file or have payroll deductions?” — Ituye
They’re roofers.
“and mandatory public education is clobbering some of the big-city school districts.” — pub 17
As opposed to small town Kansas schools systems who are probably reporting every hispanic kid twice.
Let’s get back to topic, shall we?
Afraid of a little sunshine on the topic, immignoids?
That must be 1.8 billion more the companies will have to pay for legal workers!
“Again, it’s not IRS’s business to enforce immigration policy, no more than it should be the DMV’s.”
Pud17, by your logic then they should strike off the “Citizen or Resident Test” on their forms.
After all it is not their business to enforce immigration policy.
No wonder that this country is in such a mess, anybody that has the power to do something about it do not want to take the responsibilities of their position to make a stand against it.
And that includes the one and single pee-on workers of our government system not wanting to say that it is wrong to their employers.
Change begins with you, not with someone else, so why do you hesitate?
Wiseman
And if people would stop committing crimes, we could save all that money on police and judges and stuff. Dimwit.
My original post stands. You can go to those links right now and confirm that,
1) government regs (which come from Congress, incidentally, not IRS)state that anybody you claim to be supporting in Mexico, family or not,is a dependent on your income taxes. WHY?
2) if you owe back taxes, you can claim those exemptions per Form 1494 to help exempt you from the amount you can be forced to pay back each month. Why?
Oh. Somewhere between one in fifty and one in twenty of the people reading this have someone using their SSN RIGHT NOW. When I left IRS five years ago, you could call a number and have all W-2s, 1099s, and any other forms issued to your SSN sent to you for free with no conditions. So you could check to see if anyone in Florida was picking oranges under your name, and you’d get their name, address, and the employer’s name and address on the forms.You could go back seven years on this. I used to do it every year as a free check on my SSN. Thre years ago, the number was disconnected. I’m ex-IRS, and I can’t find anybody to call anymore to get this service.
WHY?
please, anyone who wants a record of his earnings can get one by asking SS.
No, Beber, what you get is an ANNUAL compilation of your SS earnings. What I’m talking about are official copies of EVERY W-2, 1099B, 1099 INT, 1099 DIV, 5498, etc., with the name of the person issued to, their address, and the name and address of the issuer. You want to hear screaming? Tell a taxpayer, oh, BTW, did you know the two-year-old daughter you claimed as a dependent last year made $8500 working for Rio Grande Grapefruit Packers, and her real name is Hidalgo?
IRS used to keep those records in a file called IRPTR, and those records were available to a taxpayer for the asking, no questions. Not any more.
Semperfiguy …
China is spending 25% of its GNP on military hardware. That energing middle class with disposable income in China is creating the demand for oil that is driving the price of gas and petrolium based products up. For the most part, China is driving the world economy these days. Yes, Chinese people do love American merchandise, but their communist culture and political philosophy makes it easy to bar American products (i.e., there is no free market or free trade in China). China’s government does not like us. The Chinese people seem pretty ambivlalent about politics and I don’t see the politics in China making any great changes in the future. China is not good for us. I fear China.
“How much is illegal immigration costing Kansas?”}”
My question is: WHY DO IT MATTER? They are breaking the law. WHY ARE WE SPENDING MY TAX DOLLARS TO FIND OUT?
WAR, the Chinese government doesn’t hate us, they are afraid. Not of us, but of all the problems we have. That pesky free speech thing and freedom is the last thing they need right now as they emerge from the stone ages. LOL, what’s sad is they are right. They would spend years forming committee’s and bickering back and forth on how to do it, but if they stick to their current goverment, they can JUST DO IT!
In the long run, China is the one to watch. They are changing as fast as possible. They do have a long way to go, it won’t be finished for over 50 years.
They are placing huge demand on world resources, no doubt, but we aren’t the only ones entitled to them. It is everyones job, including China’s to seek out alternatives. They will, and so will we, IF we can stop fighting and bickering about it for another 10 years. See, that’s exactly what they are afraid of, being like us, they will never be able to get anything done, as we seem to have forgotten how to do ourselves!
War, another thing, when we broke free of England, it was allot more about freedom than it was Democracy. People didn’t generally care if they had a big part in the government, they just didn’t want the government to have a big part in the people.
I like Thomas Jefferson’s quote “Democracy is 51% of the people imposing it’s will on the other 49%…” that’s a very loose quote, but you get the point.
Personally, I’m not a big fan of Democracy. I don’t think toothless booger eaters and worthless pieces of crap should have any say so. I just don’t want the government telling ME what to do, or take much of my money, yet along take it and give it to someone else who doesn’t deserve it!
I’m going to make a prediction that will probably rock this blog off it’s tracks. I predict that within my lifetime, the Generals of our military will finally have had enough of the politicians, and stage a military coup to over throw the government. Purge it, then organise the reinstatement of a government much more along the lines of what our founding fathers wanted.
I’d like to think I have about 40 years left. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
March 13, 2008
As Sen. John Vratil, R-Leawood, walked out of a hearing Wednesday where he helped significantly alter an immigration bill before its passage, a Kansas Chamber of Commerce representative shook his hand.
“Thank you very much,” said Jeff Glendening, vice president of political affairs with the chamber. “Greatly appreciated.”
“I hope it’s to your liking,” Vratil said.
“Very much so,” Glendening responded.
3-27-08
Now we can add these senators to the list of Kansas Chamber bribe takers
Barbara Allen, Overland Park.
Pat Apple, Louisburg.
Karin Brownlee, Olathe.
Terry Bruce, Hutchinson.
Pete Brungardt, Salina.
Jay Scott Emler, Lindsborg.
Carolyn McGinn, Sedgwick.
Steve Morris, Hugoton.
Roger Pine, Lawrence.
Roger Reitz, Manhattan.
Derek Schmidt, Independence.
Vicki Schmidt, Topeka.
Jean Schodorf, Wichita.
Ruth Teichman, Stafford.
Dwayne Umbarger, Thayer.
John Vratil, Leawood.
Susan Wagle, Wichita.
Dennis Wilson, Overland Park.
David Wysong, Mission Hills.
Donald Betts, Wichita.
Marci Francisco, Lawrence.
Greta Goodwin, Winfield.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Anthony Hensley, Topeka.
Laura Kelly, Topeka.
Janis Lee, Kensington.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City
Since when is amount of economic harm a reason to enforce existing law? If something is illegal, enforce it. If it is not going to be enforced, why bother with having it as a law?
We have immigration laws for a reason. There are over 2 BILLION people (accorinding to the UN and World Bank figures) living in poverty around the world. Shall we just toss our immigration laws and allow them all to come here to look for a better life?
We cannot continue to be the mecca for every poor person who wants to come here. We must enforce immigration laws, and send all the illegals home. Now.
Raptor, how about we take advantage of the free market economy and start up a business that advertises “we are more $$, BUT, no illegall labor was used in our manufacturing process, AND it’s all made in the USA.”
People will snicker as they reach past your product and buy the cheaper goods.
Honestly, some of you posters sound just like the Pharisees: “Common sense, compassion and economic reality be d—d, it’s the LAW.”
So if we can show that Drugs and Prostitution show a profit or are large money generation item the Board will support it?
Will the legislature open support drugs and prostitution if its monetarily a plus?
Ill contact mine immediately and see if we can get that going. This will cut down on police costs greatly and we can start laying off officers now. The money spent down on Broadway will be a neighborhood improvement.
Or we could be honest and simply say we do not care if the illegals are a net positive….
We simply dont want their ass here…no reason to import another nations poor and uneducated. And that is who the Mexican gov. is sending over.
There hasn’t been a reason for ANY immigration for 40 years. We are no longer an agrarian economy. And the manufacturing jobs that the blue collars of yesteryear moved up to, simply no longer exist. There is nothing much for the poor to move up to. We cant have 12 million mexican restaurants.
Oh, here is a new turn of events…seems Bush is not happy with the amount of Chinses we have here either. He just opened up Birthright citizenship for them ….check out this new law just passed.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=16e725ad5a5179e45fbfbdaf34804e4b&from=rss
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LOS ANGELES—The Consolidated Natural Resources Act 2008, which was signed into law by President Bush in May, has become a springboard for Chinese nationals to immigrate to the United States, reports the World Journal. The Act enables the United States to take over the labor and immigration system of Saipan, the largest island and capital of the U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI). Lawyers say that employers in Saipan are allowed to apply for U.S. work visas for immigrant workers under the new act, and that babies born in Saipan automatically be U.S. citizens. Many Chinese are moving to take advantage of the act, the World Journal reports. Immigration services in big cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Wuhan have started programs like “Labor Export to Saipan” and “Deliver an American Baby in Saipan.” Expecting mothers pay anywhere from 140,000 to 240,000 RMB (about 20,000 to 35,000 USD) for the service that will allow them to deliver their babies in Saipan.
How is this for a cost associated with illegal aliens, one police officer shot.
The shooter in this case should not have been here. Had the police in the previous encounters with this man checked on his status as an American citizen with ICE, his illegal ststus would have been discovered and he would have been deported, the officer would not have been shot and chaos would not have ruled Maple street that night.
Bottom line, everyone who gets arrested should be made to prove citizenship, if convicted they need to serve the time. Then if they can not prove they are Americans they need to be turned over to ICE for further investigation and deportation if warranted. As much as I want us to try, 12 to 20 million invaders can not be rounded in one fell swoop, but those who break our laws (more so then they did when they crossed our boarder) should be discovered and sent packing.
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