There’s a big hoo-hah today about that New Yorker cover drawing by artist Barry Blitt that depicts Barack and Michelle Obama as a Muslim terrorist and a militant Black Panther. The Obama and McCain campaigns have expressed outrage, and there’s much sputtering and indignation nationally. The New Yorker magazine said in a statement that the satirical cartoon “combines a number of fantastical images about the Obamas and shows them for the obvious distortions they are.”
As an editorial cartoonist, I have to say that I love it. Every time a piece of graphic satire gets a lot of attention like this, it underscores the power of the visual image. Images can short-circuit our emotions like few other things can do. That’s why some of us are so drawn (no pun intended) to them.
Of course, with edgy satire there’s always the chance that the literally minded will miss the irony and the artist will lose his balance, tumbling into the canyon like Wile E. Coyote as his cry gradually diminishes to nothingness, a small silence and then a tiny puff of smoke signaling his flattened countenance against the boulders of literalness. But, hey! It’s cartoonland! He’ll be back in the next panel, good as new!
What say you, gentle blog persons? When does a cartoon go to far? Or is that even possible?
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I laughed out loud but then I also understand who the target of the parody is — those who live in fear and believe all the worst of what is made up in order to keep them in fear. Those who really can’t support McCain so must make his worthy opponent something so horrible they feel better about pulling that lever beside McCain’s name.
i don’t think the cartoon will change anyone’s opinions or vote. Those who won’t vote for Senator Obama, still won’t.
It’s interesting. I was reminded of the uproar by those of Muslim faith over a cartoon a few months ago. Seems something new to spin, the latest bright and shiny object that will keep us from realizing our economy has gone to he** in a hand basket, we’re still losing young men and women in an unnecessary war, and the warmongers in the White House are saber rattling again so we just might be at war with Iran before people quit talking about this cartoon.
The cartoon made me laugh: it’s over-the-top, and very much in the New Yorker tradition. But given the number of wackos who buy into that crap without hesitation, I can how it could be a rather disturbing, particularly if you’re spending megabucks trying to counter those stupid rumors.
But I found Ryan Lizza’s article on Obama’s rise in Chicago politics far more worthy of attention. It’s surprisingly detailed, and neither an uncritical lovefest nor a hit piece:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza
I mean really, Obama’s wife with an assualt weapon?
Who would believe such garbage as that!
I am glad that the National Review or some conservative publication did not do this first!
However, the cable comedy shows have been making similar jabs, at Michelle Obama, for awhile now. I just saw an Hispanic comedian say, “Ok Michelle” to a militant Black lady, in a comedy routine.
This New Yorker cartoon is a little rough, yes. I would not have done it, only a liberal publicantion could get away with doing this. But before you libs get all bent out of shape on this, take a look at cartoon images of conservatives, and ask yourself if you have every objected to any of those cartoons?
Michelle Obama claims she “grew up” in the home of Jesse Jackson. Michelle has told kids not to “aspire to the middle class” — What was the Black Panther Party if not a protest against “working for the man”?
Obama has had some very strange friendships and assocciations with Arabs and Moslems and the Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, who often visited Obama’s church.
If David Duke had EVER attended the same church as McCain, you can bet that there would be a cartoon dipicting McCain in KKK sheets!
There must be a “kernal of truth” in all attempts at humor, or the humor is not funny.
This is funny. I would not have done it, but it is still funny!
It’s funny because it’s absurd.
You’ve gotta be a 23%-er to believe all the crap the CONs have conjured up to smear Obama. (And by that, I’m referring to the 23rd percentile of intelligence.)
Nathan
Lots of liberal politicians want guns for themselves.
They just want the citizens to be disarmed.
Let us not forget that Obama voted against an Illinois proposal that would have impossed stricter penalties on crimes done as part of gang activity.
I remember when a Chicago artist did a painting of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesse Jackson, and put it up for public display. It was entitled “How Ya Like Me Now?” The artist, who was black, was making the point that, had Jackson been white, he very likely would have been president.
Some local brothers didn’t see it that way, and bashed it with a sledgehammer.
No charges were filed; the painting was put back together as best as possible; the sledgehammer was kept by the artist–and set next to the painting.
It’s good when art makes one think!
Well, the picture does give an image that perhaps the imagination was not able to produce.
Now those who believe all the rumors have something more tangible to visualize.
When does a cartoon go to far?
I get the humor in this cartoon, worth a smile considering the climate of the Presidential race.
When does a cartoon go to far?
(1) When it becomes cruel, regardless of background or affiliation, race, etc.
(2) When it promotes pornographic imagery for no other purpose than to be pornographic.
(3) When it becomes tasteless humor such as writings and pictures drawn on the walls and stalls of public bathrooms.
It’s kind of like pornography, I’ll know a bad cartoon that shouldn’t have been published when I see it.
I don’t know: what’s “too far”? Perhaps the propagandist images of various regimes, crude progaganda stereotypes (think Nazi Germany) with no attempt at humor or enlightenment? But even such images are informative, if only of the mentality of such artists and/or their sponsors.
As for cruelty, well, yeah, mean people suck, but I’ll have to admit to laughing at the “Richard Pryor Marathon” (you figure it out!). And I very much sympathized with Richard Pryor. It’s complicated.
Barack Hussein Obama looks quite handsome.
Didn’t Ronald Reagan as Gov of California enact gun control laws in response to the black panthers exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?
As for Cartoons going to far, the 1st amendment say that public figures are open for ridicule
“TomPaine” reminds us –
“…Ronald Reagan as Gov of California enact[ed] gun control laws in response to the black panthers exercising their 2nd Amendment rights…”
As for Cartoons going to far, the 1st amendment say that public figures are open for ridicule.
Yep. See New York Times v. Sullivan and Falwell v. Hustler (neither involved cartoons, but the principle is the same).
wasn’t Falwell vs Hustler about a cartoon?
I was wrong it wasn’t a cartoon but a parody ad.
Quote from the New Yorker on the cartoon.
“The burning flag, the nationalist-radical and Islamic outfits, the fist-bump, the portrait on the wall? All of them echo one attack or another. Satire is part of what we do, and it is meant to bring things out into the open, to hold up a mirror to prejudice, the hateful, and the absurd. And that’s the spirit of this cover,” reads the statement.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/14/obama-camp-slams-satirical-new-yorker-magazine-cover/
All of the “fist-bump” or “funny name” or “he’s a Muslim!” memes are desperate attempts to veil the Republic Party’s only issue:
“He’s a N*GGER!”
“Elect Obama and the presidential limousine will be a tricked out ‘79 Cadillac with gold-plated hubcaps!”
“Elect Obama and he’ll invite Michael Jackson to the Easter Egg roll on the White House lawn.”
“If Obama is elected, can we still call it the ‘White’ House?”
And then we get “Franklin’s” obsession: “He’s not just a N*GGER, he’s a sand-N*GGER!”
Just own it, CONs,
I’ve lived around you and among you all my life and I know you’re racist to the bone.
So admit it!
Own it.
Why be shy?
You think that way, why bother to run away from your core beliefs?
Come clean.
You don’t want some uppity N*GGER in the Oval Office.
Stop attempting to tap dance around your real issue.
It’s all you’ve got.
“You don’t want some uppity N*GGER in the Oval Office.”
Monkeyhawk, you are the only one repeatedly that uses that disgraceful term. I speaks volumes about your views…Who’s the racist, really?
MonkeyHawk,
You only demonstrate your own false belief in stereotypes by what you post.
For a Liberal Monkeyhawk, you sure know all the catch phrases that supposed far right use concerning the “N” word.
I think you enjoy using the “N” word a little too much.
No wonder you’re a failed talk show host, you don’t know when to draw the line between reference and excess.
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 14, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Get back on your meds monkey.
Pretty mild and even somewhat amusing compared to some of the crap done about Bush, Condi, and McCain.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/14/grow-a-pair-obama/
The cartoon?
It don’t mean much to me.
But THIS?
“Of course, with edgy satire there’s always the chance that the literally minded will miss the irony and the artist will lose his balance, tumbling into the canyon like Wile E. Coyote as his cry gradually diminishes to nothingness, a small silence and then a tiny puff of smoke signaling his flattened countenance against the boulders of literalness.”
I love it!
Richard Crowson you are TRULY a blessing to the Eagle and its readers. Let’s have more contributions from you here. That was great!
It’s kinda like house-breaking a puppy.
Sometimes you’ve got to rub the CONs’ nose in it.
Puppies don’t like that.
CONs don’t like that.
But puppies can learn.
Monkey”boy”
Goin Ugly is all he knows.
So full of hate. Of self perhaps?
MonkeyHawk,
Actually, if you don’t catch the dog in the act, rubbing their nose in it doesn’t teach them much of anything, other than what a jerk their owner is.
It serves to confuse the dog more than train them.
Monkeyhawk – you got their number !!!
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
It’s kinda like house-breaking a puppy.
Sometimes you’ve got to rub the CONs’ nose in it.
Puppies don’t like that.
CONs don’t like that.
But puppies can learn
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Evidently Liberals like yourself MonkeyHawk, don’t know the difference between parody and blatant, disrespectful and inaccurate accusation.
You assign anyone to the right of you (about 99.9 percent of the Earth’s population) as someone on the right.
Most people, including myself, have never uttered the “N” word nor have we written it.
You grandiose vision of ideological assignment borders on anarchist ideology disguised as reasonable discussion – it is a far cry from being reasonable and responsible.
No wonder you’re a failed Liberal Radio Talk show host.
nothing like a neo CON to hide his true racists feelings.
you have been doing it for years, decades even.
y’all love michelle malkin so ya can’t be too raciest. isn’t she a purto rician or sumthang like that
bush the only dope worth shooting.
now that really crossed the line.
but, then again it pales when compared to 4,000+ american kids.
When does a cartoon go to far?
When it perpetuates a lie in order to reinforce some one’s negative image of a person place or thing ……… surprising it didn’t come from a con —–
Isnt Michelle Malkin the one who pissed her panties because Rachael Ray wore a scarf?
“Nathaniel” offers personal insight with –
“…rubbing their nose in it doesn’t teach them much of anything…”
Fine.
I bow to your intimate insight into how a puppy thinks.
You certainly don’t offer much more intellectual capacity in this forum. So the puppy’s eye view is appreciated.
Next, we’ll work on getting you paper trained.
I think Monkeyhawk just made me swoon.
I love it when people get called out then act appalled. How dare you say what they think, mutter under their breaths and joke about with their lemming friends. That’s outright barbaric. Shame on you.
“No wonder you’re a failed Liberal Radio Talk show host.”
Is there one that is successful? :)
“Most people, including myself, have never uttered the “N” word nor have we written it.” — Regular.
Now there’s some satire.
Regular:
I don’t think it is an inaccurate accusation that you have been known to use that riduculous Osama Obama Slant rhyme at least 50 times since I started Blogging.
Some have made sure to emphasize a middle name of Hussein.
Why not learn from those with better taste and better form? The ones who use the satire of his youth, his rock-star persona, or the “messiah”
You see those satires are in good form because they are relevant. A persons middle name or the rhyme of a last name is just stupid.
The sample of West Virginia is only a small, extreme example of that stupidity.
Prejudiced: Unfairly biased
Monkey, you are one of the most prejudiced people on this Blog.
By the way, if you check some Islamic comments on Obama, as of late, they are a bit disturbed that Obama is “dissing” them so much, lately. The Moslems seem to think that Obama should be honest about his Moslem roots.
The same will be true as Obama tries harder to distance himself from his Arab roots.
Hey, it is LIBERALS that came up with race based preferences, affirmative action and minority set asides. If you find it distasteful to classify anyone by race or heritage, in a legal context, I AGREE With You!
Many of us, on the right, have a very sincere curosity about what makes this guy, Obama, tick.
Sometimes I think that he is just a Chicago politician, motivated by power and money and as corrupt as any other Chicago politician. I can almost accept that, since even in the Al Capone days, Chicago gangsters tended to be patriotic, in their own way.
—Then, you see all of the nut job anti American friends Obama has, and all of the terrorists subversives he accepts as friends, and that does make many people worry.
If you showed me a conservative Black candidate, I would vote for that person.
If you showed me a conservative Arab candidate, I would vote for that person.
We are asking honest questions about Obama and what motivates him.
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LLTVET
Posted July 14, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink
Regular:
I don’t think it is an inaccurate accusation that you have been known to use that riduculous Osama Obama Slant rhyme at least 50 times since I started Blogging.
Some have made sure to emphasize a middle name of Hussein.
Why not learn from those with better taste and better form? The ones who use the satire of his youth, his rock-star persona, or the “messiah”
You see those satires are in good form because they are relevant. A persons middle name or the rhyme of a last name is just stupid.
The sample of West Virginia is only a small, extreme example of that stupidity.
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I learned it from Senator Ted Kennedy. It was a priceless slip and worth repeating.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLn7aeWThak
C’mon, “Franklin” –
You’re the one who thinks he’s got Obama’s genealogy down to “44% Arab.”
As if that made a difference to anyone except people who would rise to your racist bait.
And your absolute refusal to acknowledge the miscegenation overtones of your cut-and-posts proves either you don’t care about the reputations of people you cite for the “44% Arab” rhetoric, or you don’t know better.
I, for one, think you know better.
You’ve pulled out a red herring hot-button issue you think might hook up with the fools you comprise the CONservative coalition.
“If you showed me a conservative Black candidate, I would vote for that person.”
Yeah, right.
That must explain the high-minded Republic Party that supported Alan Keys’ candidacies and financed the J.C. Watts for President movement.
excuse me,
Why would it matter if he is Arab or not?
Why would it matter if he was once listed as a Moslem and then converted to Christianity?
It would not.
What matters is Obama’s honesty, or lack there of.
What matters is Obama and what motivates Obama.
It is Obama who WROTE A BOOK about race, and about USING RACE TO HIS ADVANTAGE!
Obama admits, in a new preface to his own autobiography that he was not 100% honest in his OWN autobiography!
We have a right, more than that, we have a DUTY to figure out what motivates Obama and what makes him tick.
You libs, on this very thread, are attacking “West Virginians” and you dont think you are prejudiced?
Monkey
J.C. Watts is a busy man, he has meet thousands of people and he might not remember me.
However, I have eaten lunch with him twice.
Again, you are one of the most prejudiced people on this Blog.
I have also met Alan Keyes, more than once.
He is a great speaker, but — I like Watts much more, as a candidate.
According to this article these are the 10 magazine covers that shook the world (each is pictured). Shoot, a few of them I saw for the first time today when I clicked at this site. Guess they didn’t shake my world.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-10magazinecovers14-july14-pg,0,5472017.photogallery?1
“Franklin” bleats –
“Why would it matter if he is Arab or not?”
Perhaps you should tell us.
You are the one who tried to beat that particular dead horse.
Why did you bring it up?
How ’bout this?
“McCain” is a Scottish name!
If McCain is elected he’ll make every man in America wear kilts commando-style and force you to toss telephone poles and think bagpipes create music!!!
Makes as much sense as your contributions to this forum.
Rage, are you serious?:
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“Rage
Posted July 14, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink
I remember when a Chicago artist did a painting of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesse Jackson, and put it up for public display. It was entitled “How Ya Like Me Now?” The artist, who was black, was making the point that, had Jackson been white, he very likely would have been president.
Some local brothers didn’t see it that way, and bashed it with a sledgehammer.
No charges were filed; the painting was put back together as best as possible; the sledgehammer was kept by the artist–and set next to the painting.
It’s good when art makes one think!”
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I think it was Mayor Andrew Young that said Jesse Jackson “never ran anything but his mouth” —
Jackson was accused of stealing funds from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Jackson had the gall to PICKET with signs that said “don’t get messy with Jesse” when that organization investigated him. Through sheer political hard ball, Jackson split from that group and started Operation Push.
Jackson lied about MLK dying in his arms. Jackson was in the parking lot at the time, but Jackson made sure he had MLK’s blood on him so that he could use the event for his own gain!
Jackson is a dishonest political hack, just another dirty politician.
I will say, however, that when Obama kicked one of his primary oponents off the ballot, in a legal manuever, that was probably the first time Jackson got upset with Obama.
The person Obama removed, through legal action, from the Democrat primary? One of Jackson’s Operation Push organizers!
Monkey
Again, Obama has surrounded himself with anti Jewish, anti Israel leftists and radicals.
We might even be sympathetic to that impulse, from Obama, if he would be honest about his roots and his “prior” sympathies.
It is an issue because OBAMA made it an issue.
I have recruited Black people to run for office.
I have voted for Arabs.
I have contributed to Black candidates.
In Obama’s case?
Arab radicalism is an issue, radical Islam is an issue and “Afro-centrism” is an issue because of the associations that Obama has had.
It is a legitimate issue: Why is Obama so sympathetic to radical groups?
There is a very large Palestinian population in Chicago. There are also a very large number of Nation of Islam cult members in Chicago, that is where Farrakhan lives.
Obama could say, “Look, they are my constituents and I have to listen to them, but I don’t agree with them on everything” and be done with it.
Instead? He hides the radicals from his past.
Because he agrees with those radicals, perhaps?
Monkey
What does the term “red neck” mean to you?
(Be honest and don’t google it)
Priceless slips Regular. Interesting. I can see it now, next weeks weekly standard cover. John McCain; beer stocks on the left, 100 year war plan on the right, Beach Boys in the background signing Bomb Iran.
You see Franklin. That is where my prejudice lies. In someone who hasn’t even considered regional “six party” type talks regarding Iran. Especially when that person can’t tell me where he will get the troops for Iran. Especially since this Sec of Defense is against such an idea.
Regardless of position, there is a fine line between the satirical and just plain mean. I think New Yorker crossed the line. After hearing comments made by North Carolina voters about Obama, and some of the ridiculous nonsense he has been accused of, one wonders what the point was of the cover.
I’m sure those who have been part and parcel to the Obama rumors would be up in arms if they were projected on the same cover as KKK red necks, walking around with a noose in their hands.
I love satire, but not when it is used in the manner it was for that cover.
“It’s kinda like house-breaking a puppy“.
Since pretty much everything I would say has been said, a joke about the above:
Two buddies are talking one day, “Man my new dog keeps crapping on the front room rug!”.
“Dude try this, when he does that rub his nose in it and throw him out the door”.
A week later the two meet,
“Well how’s the house training the new dog going?”
“Not too good, he is still crapping on the rug. But now he rubs his own nose in it and then jumps out the door!”.
OK a few words on subject, as has been pointed out there is a segment of the voting population that are ill informed. I refer to them as the two second sound bite voters.
They will see the cover and have no idea what it is truly about. Thinking it is truthful and reaffirms what they had been hearing and reading on the e-mails.
What say you, gentle blog persons? When does a cartoon go to far? Or is that even possible?
Hey Crowson, What about that totally asinine cartoon a couple of weeks ago after the Supreme Court threw out the D.C. Gun Ban? It showed those that were in the majority on that decision shooting guns into the air with manical looks on their faces. You can disagree with what the majority ruled in that case, but that cartoon was just stupid and uncalled for.
Well anyway, I was waiting for the “redneck” phrase to come up.
The term Redneck was, actually a SCOTTISH term at first, the Scotts rejected the Anglican or Episcopal Church and went Presbyterian. They wore red around their necks to show their loyalty.
Later, with the Scotts-Irish (Celt) settlements in coal country, “Red Necks” were those who fought against a privatize, coal company police force that murdered a pro-union sheriff. Many of the organizers were Scotts-Irish, but they all came from several different back grounds. They wore red scarfs around their necks. This was the largest armed civilian uprising since the Whiskey Rebellion (Which also involved a large number of Celtic origins. Actually, George Washington chased some of the Irish, in the Whiskey Rebellion, South into the hills.)
Anyway, the slurr “Redneck” has historical Presbyterian and Coal Union roots.
Not what you would expect, huh?
Furthermore, the term was misused to dehumanize and disregard honorable, hard working people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
The sad thing is that people did not recognize the cartoon as a classic reductio ad adsurdam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
For example; the cartoon really parodied the CIA-sourced internet rumor that Obama is a ‘closet Muslim’:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/36410.html
“One practitioner in Virginia, who hates Obama like a dog hates cats, led a reporter through his efforts. Because the man is a retired clandestine CIA officer, identifying him could endanger officers or operations that remain classified, so McClatchy will not reveal his name.”
bth
Posted July 14, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
The sad thing is that people did not recognize the cartoon as a classic reductio ad adsurdam.
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Actually, there are more people than you realize who get it.
But, it’s like the fat man who has ripped his trousers at the middle most back seam.
Should we tell him or let the issue “air” out some more.
(chortles)
Actually, there is a subtext here.
The “joke” is on the New Yorker.
The elite snobs at the New Yorker don’t think it is much of an issue, even if the Obama family does have strong Arab or Moslem sympathies and the snobs at the New Yorker don’t think it is much of an issue even if the Obama family has had many ties with radical anti American fanatics.
<i.Rage, are you serious?:
Paul, Jackson’s historically strong showing in the ‘88 Democratic primary is well-remembered and well-documented. There was even talk about the VP slot.
You’re not required to like him.
Deal with it.
Ah yes Regular. All of those brilliant West Virginia voters who have “had enough of Hussein” are able to understand reductio ad adsurdam.
That will be your little secret.
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LLTVET
Posted July 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink
Ah yes Regular. All of those brilliant West Virginia voters who have “had enough of Hussein” are able to understand reductio ad adsurdam.
That will be your little secret.
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Not sure what you have against the people of West Virginia other than the predictability of liberals to stereotype entire groups of people.
I’m pretty sure that there are some very sophisticated people living in West Virginia that could take you to school on Latin definitions as well as subtle parody.
I imagine right now there is a West Virginian Professor of Philosophy at one of their fine universities who think Liberals are nothing more than doorknobs on doors that go no where.
So, Rosseel, what percentage Arab is Obama? 46%? 41%? 28.5%? 61.3%? 19.1%? 69.7%? 101.07%?
What is it and what is your PROOF?
Rage
“The artist, who was black, was making the point that, had Jackson been white, he very likely would have been president.”
If Jackson were White, he would have to have a real job.
If Jackson were White, he would be a complete nobody.
WS
Ask Obama, and ask Obama for the proof.
(Thank you for keeping the issue alive)
“Ask Obama, and ask Obama for the proof.”
You made the claim that Obama was EXACTLY 44% Arab, so YOU provide the PROOF.
Dumbass.
Ask Obama, and ask Obama for the proof.
Proof of what, Paul? Racial purity or somethin’?
As the only actual reader/subscriber of the New Yorker in the state I can attest that the cover was not over the top.
Obama is embarrased that we can’t all speak Spanish.
Can Obama even speak Spanish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk
Libs
Obama wrote a book about race.
Obama admits, now, that the book was not completely honest.
Why is OK for Obama to discuss race, and not the rest of us?
Why is it OK for Obama to use “White guilt” against other people to get what he wants? He admits to that tactic.
It was once said that “Obama spoke to us like adults” on the subject of race. I thought that was pure bull, at the time. Obama was playing us, once again, or at least he was trying to play everyone. His “White Guilt” ploy only works with liberals, these days.
Still, you libs want only LIBERALS to discuss race.
That, in itself, is RACIST, is it not?
You want all “good Blacks” to be LIBERALS.
You want only Liberal Black people to discuss race.
You will call anyone who attacks a liberal Black candidate a “racist” — but I want to know, right now, how many of you libs have never used the term “Uncle Tom” to refer to a Black Republican?
You are hypocrits on the issue of race.
You are also hypocrits on the subject of free speech, since you use the “racist” charge to silence your foes.
At least Obama ADMITS that much.
redneck – being one myself I had always thought it came from our sun-burned necks after so much time in the fields. Of course, I had never bothered looking it up. I suspect we had ‘cleaned it up’ a bit in our favor.
Obama addressing the NAACP:
“If we’re serious about reclaiming that dream, we have to do more in our own lives, our own families and our own communities,” Obama said. “That starts with providing the guidance our children need, turning off the TV and putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences, helping our children with their homework and setting a good example.”
He added: “I know some say I’ve been too tough on folks about this responsibility stuff. But I’m not going to stop talking about it. Because I believe that in the end, it doesn’t matter how much money we invest in our communities, or how many 10-point plans we propose, or how many government programs we launch — none of it will make any difference if we don’t seize more responsibility in our own lives.”
What in the world is going on?
Now he sounds like a ‘CON’. That’s exactly what conservatives have been saying all along, but of course branded as racists and bigots when doing so.
Can you imagine the damning flack a conservative Republican would get if they had the audacity to say that on this blog.
What are you DemLibs going to do now with your candidate sounding more and more like a conservative.
The “redneck” term has a very interesting history.
It speaks more to courage, independence and loyalty than it does to ignorance, as it is misused, today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Obama is having another “sister solja” moment.
He is starting to sound like Bill Cosby.
Keep Jesse Jackson away from him, I would hate to listen to Obama with a high pitched voice!
Regular:
Nothing against West Virginia except that they beat the Oklahoma Sooners in the Fiesta Bowl. Aside from that, I have nothing against them. What I don’t like is someone who is too mentally lazy to think and votes against Obama because they have “had enough of hussein.”
But, as always, goose and gander. I also have little patience for someone who is mentally lazy and votes against John McCain, just because of his age.
I liked bumping into your post!
VET – you just gave me another reason to LIKE West Virginia!
But Ben, you don’t understand. The Sooners are the best in the nation. That has been proven, peer reviewed, double blind sampled and established with all scientific fact.
Ok, wrong thread, I will meet you in the sports thread on that one.
I really don’t like the cartoon and I believe that it is over the top. I think it is offensive.
Those who think that Obama is a Muslim or a Terrorist will not see what the cartoon is supposed to represent. And yeah, those emails do make an impact and so will this.
People like my 86 year old grandfather would see the image on Faux News and not hear what they’re talking about. OF course, I never see him voting for a black man ever- but it just solidifies US against THEM.
The magazine cover was funny. I’m on somebody’s e-mail list that’s very Republican and I’ve received e-mail that covers everything that the magazine cover shows. The breathless e-mail alerts that make one veiled accusation or another and advises the reader to stay glued to their TV sets because of some revelation we’re all going to be made privy to in the next few days. And of course, snopes.com has checked out and says it’s true!!!!
Republicans ARE racists.
Democrats have a permanent rash from getting their panties in a bunch.
Please God, someday give us an Independent candidate someday who will beat the crap out of the Rs and Ds.
Please don’t let that candidate’s name be Cynthia McKenny, LOL.
“double blind sampled”
In the context of OU that just means that you are doubly blind.
The name redneck, at least in modern terms, refers to: 1. People of little education who do menial jobs, drink beer and park their trucks on bricks,and: 2. A vehicle for comedians to elicit laughs about, i.e., you know your a redneck if . . .
I know plenty of “rednecks” who both fit, and don’t fit the mold. I don’t have a problem with either. Meanings change over the years. That’s just the way things are. For instance, gay used to mean happy, now it means something entirely different. If one thinks of the gay 1890’s, one doesn’t think of homosexuality; but if one thinks of the gay 1990’s, it’s the first thing that pops into ones head. Big freakin deal. It’s just the way things are.
“how many of you libs have never used the term “Uncle Tom” to refer to a Black Republican?”
Do you mean all TWELVE of them, Rosseel?
Franklin
Posted July 14, 2008 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
The “redneck” term has a very interesting history.
It speaks more to courage, independence and loyalty than it does to ignorance, as it is misused, today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
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Defending rednecks, making unsubstantiated racist claims against Obama, and acting like such is smart. Is there anything you won’t sink to, Rosell.
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Regular
Posted July 14, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink
Not sure what you have against the people of West Virginia other than the predictability of liberals to stereotype entire groups of people.
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Pot meet kettle – this from the poster who engages in the most obscenely broad and stupid generalizations. My, my, my….
And why don’t any of you con posters call him on this? Aren’t you embarrassed by this guy? You should be.
Steven,
Are you not embarrased by BlueJay?
Look at the mean and vile things he says on this blog. Hardly anything Regular posts even begins to get close to the stuff BlueJay says.
So do you email him and tell him how embarrased you are?
Nathaniel,
A very large number of people have researched global CO2 levels since the late 1800’s.
Please defend your, and your father’s friend, the multi-nic’d ‘Regular”, for his LYING about all of their research, data, and science.
Or just post, “no comment”. LOL!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-714/#comment-383588
cosmos,
If you have an off switch, please click it.
No one gives a rat’s ass about your AGW agenda, especially off-topic under a subject heading that has nothing to do with Global Warming.
What a single minded loser.
I don’t think the New Yorker comic of the Obamas is very flattering. Having grown up in the MAD and Cracked Magazine generation, I have alot of respect for satire and how it pokes fun at the truth and exaggerates it. I am not sure what the cartoonist and New Yorker Magazine are trying to say with it. The Obama’s are certainly not Muslims or terrorists. Perhaps the New Yorker doesn’t like the idea of having a black president and figures that they can get away with it under the disguise of supposed political satire??!!
Redneck Chess: When you go to garage sales and buy old chess pieces to use as target practice.
Got that one last night from a police officer who said he used to do that. I said “oh, you play REDNECK chess”.
“Libs
“Obama wrote a book about race.”
Bullsh*t again. He wrote a book in which his thoughts about race as he was growing up were highlighted, but not to the exclusion of other thoughts and events in his life.
Of course, I suspect that you never read that book, did you?
“Why is OK for Obama to discuss race, and not the rest of us?”
Franklin, you don’t get in trouble for discussing race. You get in trouble for your obvious attempt to use race, just like anything else, to go after the candidate on the wrong side. Obama is a guy who “hangs with” scary people (like Muslims, Arabs, and angry black guys, some of whom are anti-semetic). Obama is a liar. Etc. etc. The fact is, everyone knows you would say that about any “Lib” Democratic candidate for president. And because there are similarly politically obsessed people like you on the American Right, people who will look for and latch onto anything to demonize the opposition, all people have to do is go onto a search engine and look for what you want. You use race like anything else, as a wedge, a weapon. I see no reason to believe that you are inherently racist. What you are, however, is almost worse. You will use worries about race or associations or any insinuation you can find, true, half true, or false, against a candidate who is on the “wrong side”. And this is not simply projection, it is easily documented by anyone who just looks at your posting history.
I like the cartoon where it shows a smiling picture of Obama with his campaign slogan shown beneath him spelling out ‘CHANGE’ in big bold letters.
And he is saying “Cause that’s all you’ll have when I’m done….”, and the picture of an empty change purse.
Whoa, how TRUE!!!
I like the one where B. Hussein Obama sez:
We hold these truths to be self evident.
Just words?
Ask not what you can do for your country.
Just words?
Public campaign financing. Just words
Agnatha, you are clueless:
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“Agnatha
Posted July 15, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink
“Libs
“Obama wrote a book about race.”
Bullsh*t again. He wrote a book in which his thoughts about race as he was growing up were highlighted, but not to the exclusion of other thoughts and events in his life.
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The TITLE of one of Obama’s books:
“Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance”
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By the way, there are several people under “Asbestos Removal” in the local phone booth who are MORE qualified, than Obama, to be President.
Obama LIED about his level of involvement in an asbestos removal project. Obama did not initiate the project. Obama quit the project before it was completed. The other Black politicians and community leaders, involved, are upset with the credit Obama took, in his book, for the project. Obama wrote about 100 pages, in his book, on this bogus achievement:
“In his memoir, Obama says being a community organizer taught him how to motivate the powerless and work the government to help them. His chief example is an effort to remove asbestos from Altgeld Gardens, an all-black public housing project on Chicago’s South Side.
But those who were involved in the effort say Obama played a minor role in working the problem and never accomplished his goal. A pre-existing group at Altgeld Gardens and a local newspaper, the Chicago Reporter, were working on the problem before Obama came on the scene, yet Obama does not mention them in his book, “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”
“Just because someone writes it, doesn’t make it true,” says Altgeld resident Hazel Johnson, who had been pushing for a cleanup of the cancer-producing substance years before Obama showed up.
Rep. Bobby L. Rush, D-Ill., says it was Johnson’s work, along with asbestos testing by the Chicago Reporter, that got Chicago officials interested in the issue. Rush, who launched an inquiry into the situation when he was a member of the Chicago City Council, says he is “offended” that Obama did not mention Johnson in his account.
“Was [Obama] involved in stuff? Absolutely,” says Robert Ginsburg, an activist who worked with Johnson and Obama on the problem. “But there was stuff happening before him, and after him.”
After three years working as an organizer, Obama could say he helped obtain grants for a jobs program and got asbestos removed from some pipes in the project. But as the Los Angeles Times has noted, the “large-scale change that was needed at the 1,998-unit project was beyond his reach.” To this day, most of the asbestos remains in the apartments.
Fruitless though his efforts were, Obama devoted more than 100 pages to his experiences at Altgeld Gardens and surrounding areas. Michelle Obama has said his work as a community organizer helped him decide “how he would impact the world,” assisting people to improve their lives. Yet, in a revealing passage in his book, Obama wrote, “When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn’t answer them directly.”
Instead, he said, “I’d pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won’t come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.”
Thus, Obama admitted that he accomplished little but that he was able to cover that up with fancy talk about change.”
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Inexperience/2008/07/15/112909.html
Obama has never really accomplished much of anything, in his entire life:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Inexperience/2008/07/15/112909.html
And, besides his law degree, Obama’s only accomplishments have been political.
He used the courts to kick other Black candidates off the ballot, in his first local race.
He took credit for the work other Black “neighborhood organizers” (political activists) did, on an asbestos clean up project that has not been completed, to this day.
“Agnatha, you are clueless:”
Uhm, OK.
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Me quoting Franklin:
Posted July 15, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink
‘Libs
‘Obama wrote a book about race.’
My response: “Bullsh*t again. He wrote a book in which his thoughts about race as he was growing up were highlighted, but not to the exclusion of other thoughts and events in his life.”
Franklin’s response (and apparently the basis of his claim that I am clueless):
“The TITLE of one of Obama’s books:
“Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance”
Oh, well, you win. Since race was in the title, clearly the book was a book about race.
Than again, the book was an autobiography. Look back at what I said, “He wrote a book in which his thoughts about race as he was growing up were highlighted, but not to the exclusion of other thoughts and events in his life“, and tell me how a title refutes it.
Newsmax. [FE]There’s a source you can take at face value[/FE].
So,
Barrack Hussein Obama writes a book that he says, in the TITLE is “a story about race and inheritence”
And Agnatha says we can not talk about the “inheritance” part and that the book was not really about race?
Are you saying Obama told a lie about his book?
Agnatha says Obama’s book is not about race. Agnatha says “BS” when I say otherwise, yet Obama SAYS in the TITLE that his book is about RACE!
The worst thing Newsmax ever posted is better than the best thing Agnatha ever posted.
Unfortunately, that is not saying much!
“So,
Barrack Hussein Obama writes a book that he says, in the TITLE is ‘a story about race and inheritence’”
Love the use of the middle name. Remember, Obama is really an arab, or is that an arab wannabe. Anyway, some arabs, or is that muslims, like him. And he has an arabic sounding middle name. Isn’t that scary kiddies? Bullsh*tter.
“And Agnatha says we can not talk about the ‘inheritance’ part and that the book was not really about race?”
I said neither. You really have difficulties with reading comprehension, or are you just now on autopilot? I said that you are bullsh*tting. I have explained with bullsh*tting is. You don’t seem to comprehend it even as you continue to do it. You characterized the book as being about race, period. It wasn’t just about race. It was an autobiography.
“Are you saying Obama told a lie about his book?”
Of course, this is based on the premise that I am claiming that the book is not about race, at all. I invite anyone to go to my last two posts and read what I actually said. The premise is completely false.
This is what a Harry Frankfurt type bullsh*tter does. He writes things without regard to whether they are true or not. He thinks that he has an opening because Obama mentions “race” in the title. He is attempting to force all nuance (and nuance, which reflects the reality that the truth does not fit neatly into right or left packages, is anathma to someone like Franklin).
Franklin writes that Obama wrote a book “about race”. He does so as an attempt to show that Obama is trying to “use” his race to his benefit (he also pursued this strategy when he uncritically relayed the nonsense about Obama being an arab-and he has desperately tried to hang onto it with his nonsense about Obama being an arab “wannabe”). It is hardly surprising, given Obama’s background, that race would have been a factor in his life, and that, being a biracial child, he might muse on race. But, it was an autobiography. It also talks about other aspects of his life. Thus, to say that Obama wrote a book “about” race is partially true, but it is misleading. That’s what a bullsh*tter does. He uses a mixture of truth and lies to lead people to his desired conclusions. In fact, the truth status of a statement is unimportant to him. What is important is whether the statement agrees with the bullsh*tter’s predetermined positions. What I find interesting about
Franklin is is that he is such a classic case. For example, in this instance, Franklin makes an allegation (Obama wrote a book about race). I conter that the allegation is “bullsh*t” (and it is bullsh*t because it is misleading. It’s partially true, but not completely true, and the allegation apparently comes from Franklin’s reading the cover). Since I register opposition to Franklin’s statement (pointing out that it is bullsh*t), he goes on to point out the title of the book, and then goes on to claim that I said the book isn’t about race at all (and this is now completely untrue-go back and look it up if you must).
“Agnatha says Obama’s book is not about race. Agnatha says ‘BS’ when I say otherwise, yet Obama SAYS in the TITLE that his book is about RACE!”
Classic Franklin. He may be under the delusion that I am using “bullsh*t” simply to mean “that’s not true!” (even though I have explained, with regards to Franklin, what I mean by that, several times).
From Harry Frankfurt. Again.
“But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bullsh*tter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor conceal it.”
And of course, we have this gem.
“The worst thing Newsmax ever posted is better than the best thing Agnatha ever posted.
“Unfortunately, that is not saying much!”
Of course you would believe that. They agree with you. They are writing for people like you. And like you, they are concerned less with the truth value of what they are saying as they are with whether they agree with it. They are coalition conservatives writing for coalition conservatives.
Here’s an example of how News Max’s biases get them into trouble.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/goldstar.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/chowdown.asp
Regarding the second, for those dense enough to argue (it says multiple, not false) two points:
1) Multiple includes false.
2) Multiple, the mixture of truth, half truths, and lies, is a sure marker of bullsh*t.
For those who have had the patience to read this far, some bullsh*t free links.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/afl-cio_falsely_attacks_mccain.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html
The McCain article is reposted because Factcheck made corrections to it.
Here is a factcheck article that points out a bullsh*t claim about McCain that gets a lot of traction here (the 100 year war in Iraq nonsense).
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/smear_or_be_smeared.html
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