Most Americans still aren’t inclined to get serious about energy conservation – and President Bush still isn’t inclined to push it. The energy debate centers on Bush’s dubious idea (seconded by Rep. Todd Tiahrt) that offshore drilling is a cure for gas prices.
But conservation remains the easiest and cheapest solution to U.S. energy needs, according to many experts.
By driving 5 percent less, keeping tires inflated and slowing down, Americans immediately could save 1.3 million barrels of oil a day – nearly twice the amount of oil that eventually could be gained daily from drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, according to the Alliance to Save Energy, a conservation group.
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Americans, the call has gone out to be selfish. Don’t drill here. Let the rest of the world use up their oil. Hoard our oil!
You know Dr. Scholfield, when I want advice on how much oil is out there, how long it will take to get and what will be delivered I always go to a conservation group as they are experts in discovering, extracting and delivering oil to the market.
(cough)
Commodity traders caught manipulating the market price for oil.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/24/markets/cftc/index.htm?eref=rss_topstories
Ah, the “free market” at work. I’m just hoping the Aptera comes out soon so I can get myself a car that gets 300mpg.
Americans designed by Gaudi. We get to tires and pick up President Bush, and then head back. The next morning we awoke early for drilling along the world before once again heading into Alaska’s.
I love that gas is so expensive…for the first time, we’re actually starting to get serious about alternative energy sources. It’s a win/win. It’s hard, but we’ll get through this into something much better.
I love the increased acceptance of motorcycling as a practical way to get around. 50 miles per gallon and having fun while doing it!
Conservation is great and I do that everyday. However, man-made global warming seems to be a way to control. The democrats want to tax us to death to “save us”. Al Gore, for example, has a large boat, private jet, and huge mansion — How is that conserving? He is the leader of the movement but did nothing for 8 years.
Drill Here, Drill Now
Yeah. Drill here, drill now, and screw our children and grandchildren by leaving them no oil while saddling them with all our pollution. Serves them right for being born after us.
When they make these sorts of purely expedient, greed-based arguments, conservatives, as a group, represent nothing so much as a pack of self-absorbed five-year olds.
Clearly neither conservation nor “drill here, drill now”, on their own merits, is the answer to our energy problems ,. The answer lies in a potpourri of both and many other factors. This constant back and for arguing is futile and does nothing to solve the problem!
The “drill now” issue is a phony wedge issue cooked up by the Republicans.
The corporation I work with has a new policy to lower our carbon footprint and they want us to lower overall energy consumption by 20% in a set time period.
Sounds like good sense to me!
“I love the increased acceptance of motorcycling as a practical way to get around. 50 miles per gallon and having fun while doing it!” — Raptor?
Have fun this winter. A side benefit is it saves billions later in SS payments.
beber…try to grow up, will you? I know that is next to impossible, but give it a try. Yes, I do ride in the winter (except on ice)–it is called wearing gloves and proper riding attire.
FYI…millions of motorcyclists ride every day and seem to live long enough to collect ss. Contrary to your closed minded opinion, riding a motorcycle is not an automatic death sentence.
Will ANWR help reduce gas prices? According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), opening ANWR will result in a reduction of light crude oil prices of $0.41/ barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 (low oil resource case), $0.75/barrel in 2027 (mean oil resource case), and $1.44/barrel in 2027 (high oil resource case). EIA also adds: assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, OPEC could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports.
The statistic from the Alliance to Save Energy was from our Drive $marter Challenge Campaign ( http://drivesmarterchallenge.org ) — a fuel-efficiency campaign aimed at helping consumers save money on gas. You can enter your specific vehicle data and figure out how much money you can save my taking six fuel-efficiency steps. They also provide discount maintenance coupons and myth busters to help you save on gas costs. – Kat, Alliance to Save Energy
“FYI…millions of motorcyclists ride every day and seem to live long enough to collect ss. Contrary to your closed minded opinion, riding a motorcycle is not an automatic death sentence.” — Raptor
“But the death rate on motorcycles was nearly 32 times higher than for cars. One of the riskiest combinations in the database are men between ages 21 and 24 who drive motorcycles between midnight and 4 a.m. Their road fatality risk is 45,000 times higher than normal.” — http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Jan18/0,4675,RoadRisks,00.html
“One sign of maturity is rational assesment of risk.” — beber
Conserve Here! Conserve Now!
Today the anti-speculation bill was blocked in the Senate. Haven’t researched it, but I’m going to go out on a limb here and speculate that the Repubs. blocked it, and our Senators were voting against it.
Brought over from another thread as it is relevant to this one.
Here is the future Obama and the Dems have in store for us with their plan of appeasement and not seeking out our own energy supply.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXTgfDJP3I &eurl=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30601_NozzleRage
(”Appeasement” … use this buzzword as often as possible whether it applies or not. Try to equate negotiations with appeasement. It seems to have traction in our polling.)
DavidB,
Are you an appeaser?
I thought so.
I guess if you change your mind for whatever reason, you are an appeaser too,huh?
Once again Mary proves why liberals want more expensive gas.
The like it this way. It is a way to force the people to do what they want.
Randy,
Ok, we get it. I don’t think many people disagree with conservation helping and being part of the solution.
Lets do it.
Now what are we going to do 5 years from now when the world demand for oil keeps going up and we still have not increased our own supply?
The liberal argument, and apparently the medias too, against drilling seems to be that it won’t happen fast enough or that it will take a few years to effect anything.
If you have been making that argument for the past 20 years it is kind of self defeating.
If we would have started drilling 15 years ago then we wouldn’t be here now.
So if we start drilling more now, then 5 years from now we still won’t be sitting around wondering why gas prices are so high talking about conservation and all these “future” technologies.
Drill now, Drill here, Pay less.
I have a better one for you, beber. 100% of people alive today will die. You can hide from everything that might/could/maybe cause harm, but you will die anyway.
I choose to LIVE life…as the headstone of Malcolm Forbes says, “While alive, he LIVED”.
Your silly statistic about young males (who statistics show) are likely to not have a license, be drunk and driving too fast) is an empty, meaningless statistic.
Price allocates supply.
Not politicians.
Politicians do not have to tell us to conserve.
Price will do that.
However, conservation will only decrease the rate of increase in demand.
Demand will still increase, even with conservation.
We need to expand supply.
Drill here, drill now!
Exactly Franklin.
Except, just as Mary and other liberals continue to poing out, they like gas prices high.
This will finally force all those evil SUV owners to buy something smaller.
Except for the “rich” SUV owners.
What the liberals seem to miss is that people who are not strapped for cash or are living pay check to pay check can pay 10 dollars a gallon for gas.
The only people they are hurting are the ones who have to try to figure out how to get to work each day so they can still afford to eat too.
If only the Republicans would grow some balls and use this issue. This is giving the Republicans the election on a golden platter and instead of accepting it the Republicans pass it up.
econ posted,
“Demand will still increase, even with conservation.”
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False.
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
Cosmos
India and China do not care about global warming.
India and China want to feed their people.
They will do what ever it takes.
Demand will grow.
That was a danger bush ignored with his outsource Ameica agenda. We’re losing control of the engine of the world economy, having delegated the role to other nations.
How did Bush encourage “outsourcing”???
America has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Democrats do not want to address this problem. McCain DOES want to address this problem.
High taxes and heavy regulations and heavy lawsuit liability costs force companies to outsource.
The President is NOT “CEO of America” — the vast majority of what happens, in the economy, has nothing to do with who the President might be.
“I choose to LIVE life…as the headstone of Malcolm Forbes says, “While alive, he LIVED”.” — Raptor.
So in order to live you have to have a Harley? Do you ride without a helmet and wear a silly jacket, too?
THE BIGGEST SINGLE STEP the United States can take to curb global warming and save oil is to raise the fuel economy of our cars and light trucks.
http://www.sierraclub.org/energy/biggestsinglestep/
In this section:
* Introduction
* Innovative Technology Can Help Free Us From Our Dangerous Oil Dependence
* We Can Safely Improve Our Fuel Economy
* Creating Clean Cars In America Creates Jobs At Home
* Take Action!
Cosmos
Hydrogen injection into internal combustion engines would be a great idea.
Oxygen injection into internal combustion engines would be a good idea.
This is the type of “new technology” that migth actually work.
Oil Shale technology and Methane Ice technology are also great ideas for further research.
All of the above are STILL carbon based.
Energy Independence is not possible if we follow the Global Warming religion.
The Global Warming religion stands in the way of energy independence.
Wait a minute.
I thought the best thing we could do was to conserve.
Now you are telling us it is to produce better cars.
Why can’t we do it all?
Why can’t we conserve, work on better technology and drill for more oil?
Then we could be energy independent. Just think if we were able to conserve, produce all the new technology, and drill for more oil, we wouldn’t have to import the stuff.
No more wars for oil. No more bankrolling the MidEast.
Why are you Democrats so opposed to drilling for more oil?
We know why.
Liberals hate oil companies.
It is irrational, but it is the truth.
To travel on battery power on the new Chevy Volt will cost 80 cents. To go the same distance in a typical car will cost 8 dollars. Liberals support electric cars and clean energy, contrary to the conservatives who want dirty oil and gas guzzlers. Go the liberals way and you have cleaner air and cheaper fuel costs.
Nathaniel,
You don’t read my posts, and you don’t answer my questions.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/drilling-would-dramatically-reduce-gas-prices/#comment-388419
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/drilling-would-dramatically-reduce-gas-prices/#comment-388627
Cosmos
Most of our electricty comes from coal power, in this country.
How do electric cars reduce the need for coal?
I am all for the use of more coal, bud I did not know that you shared my view!
“The ‘drill now’ issue is a phony wedge issue cooked up by the Republicans.”
Indeed. More specifically, it was a phony issue brought up by the CEO’s of oil companies being grilled by Congress to take the heat off themselves (and to be fair, some of the heat was unjustified in the first place).
Oil is not being drilled here because it is cheaper (not just in terms of cost, but in terms of effort, investment, and return) to get it overseas. More to the point, drilling here and now is not guaranteed to lower prices, and certainly will not be as effective or efficient as increasing efficiency and decreasing use would now. And despite the hysterical claims of coalition conservatives and free market liberarians (who don’t seem to understand that reality operates quite independently of their private is always better than public obsessions), this can be done without great cost to our economy (in fact, arguably the opposite).
Maggotpunk,
Where do you think that electricity is coming from to power that battery?
“Where do you think that electricity is coming from to power that battery?”
Not relevant when you are considering price. But if you like, if you have an electric vehicle then you can install solar panels or a microturbine on your house and provide your own fuel source for the vehicle. A new model of the Prius will have built in solar panels so you can recharge the battery while it’s parked. It seems conservatives in Kansas want to keep us enslaved to one power source.
“We know why.
“Liberals hate oil companies.
“It is irrational, but it is the truth.”
And once again, single sentence talking point paragraph man pollutes the board with his bullsh*t. However, once in awhile some talking points do deserve a response and even illumination.
“Cosmos
“India and China do not care about global warming.”
False. But to a point.
“India and China want to feed their people.”
They want to grow their economies, but ironically their economies, particularly China’s, are dependent upon keeping their production costs down (the time bomb in China, the thing they worry about, is if the population ever decides they are getting stiffed like American labor did in the early 20th century-their economy right now is propped up on being the primary manufacturing center for the developed world). Still, the reality of the matter is that Franklin has a point here. The two biggest markets for cars in the next tw decades will be China and India. “Will”, however, is not right now. Right now, the US and other developed countries have a chance to drive the direction of automobile manufacturing in a more rational direction. Fossil fuels are a finite resource. They will run out. And assuming that the by and large consensus position on human activity being a factor in global climate change does reflect reality, the bottom will drop out of oil economies. We have the technology to cut use NOW, and this is too important to leave just to market forces, because market forces are base on short term gain and immediate expense issues.
“They will do what ever it takes.
“Demand will grow.”
Right now, assuming nothing changes, Franklin is actually correct here (particlarly about China, which combines the frightening ruthlessness of a communist dictatorship with the frightening short term pragmatism of capitalist robber barons). The storm on the horizon is that international demand for a finite resource will grow substantially. China will be the number one market for cars by 2030. However, even if that makes more expensive to drill and process oil reserves more attractive in the future, at best going for “drill here” will only put off the inevitable crunch, and not for very long at all.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92374384
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 25, 2008 at 6:18 am
“… when I want advice on how much oil is out there, how long it will take to get and what will be delivered I always go to a conservation group as they are experts in discovering, extracting and delivering oil to the market.
(cough)”
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The amount of oil given by the Alliance to Save Energy seems to be the “technically recoverable” amount from the U.S. EIA report.
Also, TAPS has a maximum thruput of 2 million bbls a day, and is at about 700 k bbls today. It could only handle another 1.3 million bbls.
1) This is being more energy efficient (in header),
“By driving 5 percent less, keeping tires inflated and slowing down, Americans immediately could save 1.3 million barrels of oil a day – nearly twice the amount of oil that eventually could be gained daily from drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, …”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_to_Save_Energy#Member_Organizations
2) This is drilling for more oil
The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge geology is unknown.
The Badami field is about 1/2 way between Prudhoe and the western edge of the Refuge, and has not produced as expected.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
Don’t stress them beyond bumber sticker mentatlity, it’s not nice.
Get off the Internet cosmos, you are wasting energy by using a useless consumable product that spews another worthless product, your opinion.
Practice what you preach and go build a solar house out in the wilderness, self-sustaining.
“How do electric cars reduce the need for coal?” — Franklin.
Because electric cars contain batteries, they could become the “storage system” for wind and solar power.
Drill!
Drill a hole in your head parkay.
There might be oil or oleo, you don’t know.
Conservation is SO easy to do. And the American lifestyle is SO stupefyingly wasteful.
Consider petroleum.
It aint just for fueling vehicles ya know. We also use it to make plastic.
So follow me on a little trip…
Oil is extracted from the Earth and imported to America. Then it is refined into plastic.
It used to package a sandwich or a flashlight or a pair of scissors that you need OUT of the plastic they come in to GET out of the package it comes in.
Then it is thrown away. One use. Then off to the landfill.
Yeah it’s convenient. Yeah it’s great that ketchup bottles don’t break anymore.
But it is also damned stupid and wasteful and MUST change.
J R sings….
Well ougtha feel just a little bit guilty
When we look into the eyes of our kids.
Because brother it’s a fact.
If ya take and don’t give back?
They’ll have to pay for all we did.
Drill! In Detroit!
‘Drilling in Detroit ‘
Tapping Automaker Ingenuity to Build Safe and Efficient Automobiles
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/fuel_economy/drilling-in-detroit.html
“But conservation remains the easiest and cheapest solution to U.S. energy needs, according to many experts.
By driving 5 percent less, keeping tires inflated and slowing down, Americans immediately could save 1.3 million barrels of oil a day”
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How STUPID do these “experts” think Americans are if they don’t already know how to put air in their tires, slow down, and drive 5% less?
Guess what? American’s don’t give a DAMN about Conservation or Global Warming.
It people cared, if it was so damn easy, they’d be doing it already!
“Experts”. Everytime I hear anonymous “experts” cited as a source, I know it’s pure Bull.
MaxGrobnik posted July 26, 2008 at 1:09 am
“Experts”. Everytime I hear anonymous “experts” cited as a source, I know it’s pure Bull.
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MaxGrobnik, they are not “anonymous”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_to_Save_Energy#Member_Organizations
This is their real Web Page:
http://www.ase.org/section/aboutus/
Another weasel organization that aligns itself with the litigious Sierra Club, using non-profit status to invoke minimal message with high dollar salaries for its staff.
Drilling in ANWR will Cut Gas Costs
07/25/2008
America’s gas prices are continuing to spiral out of control and Washington has done nothing to give our nation’s motorists the relief they deserve. Record high prices are having a major impact on American consumers and businesses, from the way people travel to the way they do business to the food they buy at the grocery store. Congress has the ability to decrease prices at the pump and get our nation back to $2 a gallon gas – and it means accessing our nation’s available resources and opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) today.
Last weekend, I traveled to northern Alaska to view firsthand the vast supply of natural resources America possesses. As I expected, ANWR was nothing more than a barren land, an arctic tundra void of wildlife and trees. During most of the year, it’s completely blanketed with ice and snow. Also, of the 19.6 million acres that makes up ANWR, the area which would be used for oil exploration is a small 2,000-acre lot. That is not even 1/10 of 1% of the total area of ANWR. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that 10.4 billion barrels of oil are recoverable in ANWR. If retrieved that would mean a possible 50% increase in total U.S. proven reserves and thousands of new domestic jobs.
It’s critical that Congress make lowering our gas prices a priority and set its political games aside. Yet, Democrats in the majority continue to block commonsense legislation from coming to the floor. In fact, they’re using parliamentary maneuvers to keep Republicans from even offering pro-energy amendments.
Since my earliest days in Congress, I have joined my Republican colleagues in supporting key legislation to curb our nation’s gas costs. Recently, I introduced a bill which would help us return to $2 a gallon. My bill, H.R. 6463, the Emergency Energy Cut-the-Red-Tape Now Act, would allow Americans to tap our national energy resources and provide relief from off-the-chart gas costs. It gives the Secretary of the Interior the ability to open the ANWR, oil shale reserves, and the Outer Continental Shelf, and streamline the refinery process. And if the price of oil exceeds $100 a barrel, my bill would require the Secretary to waive leasing and permitting regulations to open up these energy stores without further delay.
The United States has the ability to be energy independent. With abundant resources in areas like ANWR and the Mountain West we could end our foreign dependence on oil once and for all. Currently, the U.S. is the only country in the world that discourages using its own energy resources. Our country imports 10 million barrels of crude oil every day. And, we are importing 1.3 million barrels of refined gasoline. Having toured Alaska, I’ve seen the infrastructure that is already built and the pipeline that is not even at full capacity. We have the knowledge and expertise right here at home to procure and refine these products, get them to the pump, and create American jobs in the process.
Once these federal lands that have been off-limits are open to exploration, we would immediately begin to tap into our own resources, helping make us less dependent on foreign energy sources and reducing the cost to consumers. It’s clear that the American people are hurting and need immediate help. Congress must open up these lands and help Americans by exploring, producing, and putting these sources of energy into production now.
Congresswoman Bachmann serves the 6th district of Minnesota.
Human Events
I don’t have a problem with drilling for oil, but I do have a problem people like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. Last year Congresswoman Michele Bachmann was caught on tape telling a reporter about a secret plan Iran had to create a terrorist “safe haven” in Iraq. A few weeks ago she parroted the phony GOP talking point that China was “procuring” oil off the coast of Cuba. A bit too flaky for my taste.
I also have a problem with her wanting to, “waive leasing and permitting regulations to open up these energy stores without further delay.” The oil companies would love that. Not having to abide by environmental regulations would save them millions, and start a trend of ruining the environment those same regulations were written to stop years ago.
Nice: oil will never drop below $100 a barrel ever again. Live with it. Use good old American ingenuity to develop cars getting 50 mpg or better; start a crash development of a temp stable superconductor to redo the nations power grid. We currently lose over 30% of all power generated via line loss. With superconductors, you lose nothing. If that were to become a reality, the excess electricity produced could be used for hydrogen generation. Cars . . . Hydrogen = good fit.
Improve battery technology so electric cars become cheap, safe and practical. This city currently has an old dumping ground generating Methane. Why are we not capturing it for energy production? Develop new ideas for both power generation and conservation usage.
There’s a lot more this country can do besides use the mantra, “drill here, drill now.” But it’s going to take people dropping the political nonsense, and start thinking like the pioneers we used to be, to get through this in a manner that doesn’t leave future generations with a country drained dry.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/anwr/pdf/sroiaf(2008)03.pdf
Regular — Before believing congresswoman bachman one should actualy read the report she cherry picks.
I didn’t write the article numb nuts.
“Guess what? American’s don’t give a DAMN about Conservation or Global Warming. ”
Oh I don’t think that is entirely true.
It IS true that Americans engage in the most shameful waste of resources and energy that this planet has ever witnessed. That must change.
The folks who resist that change may need a bit of coercion.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 5:17 am
“… the area which would be used for oil exploration is a small 2,000-acre lot. That is not even 1/10 of 1% of the total area of ANWR.”
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Why do pro-drillers LIE?
A speculative map of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s “small 2,000-acre lot”(sic)
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
Impact of the oil technology that would be used in the Refuge,
http://www.wilderness.org/Library/Documents/upload/AlpineNoEnvironmentalShowpiece
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 5:17 am
“…ANWR was nothing more than a barren land, an arctic tundra void of wildlife and trees.”
See photos by Subhankar Banerjee… beautiful scenery, caribou, snow geese, etc
http://www.oilonice.org/gallery/gallery.php?slide=130AutumnLakeshore.htm
Regarding Regular’s linking to Congresswoman Bachmann’s editorial from Human Events.
ROTFL. Particularly about ANWR being barren (most of the year). It is very clear she had no idea why ANWR was established in the first place.
Hint: Caribou migrate.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 5:17 am
“…ANWR was nothing more than a barren land, an arctic tundra void of wildlife and trees.”
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Muskoxen, polar bears, vegetation, caribou, and 135 species of birds equals “a barren land”?
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
There are fundamental differences between the calving areas of the Central Arctic and the Porcupine herds. In the case of the Central Arctic herd, there is a greater amount of alternative calving area available for displaced cows to move to because the mountains are much farther from the ocean.
The 1002 Area is only one-fifth the size of the area used by the Central Arctic caribou herd, but six times as many caribou use the 1002 Area. In the Arctic Refuge, where the mountains are close to the coast, few alternative areas would be available for displaced cows. If the 1002 Area was developed, the associated pipelines, roads, and structures would potentially impact the Porcupine Caribou herd by:
* reducing the amount and quality of preferred forage available during and after calving,
* restricting access to important coastal insect-relief habitats,
* exposing the herd to higher predation, and
* altering an ancient migratory pattern, the effects of which we can not predict.
A reduction in annual calf survival of as little as 5% would be sufficient to cause a decline in the Porcupine caribou population.”
A good debunking of some of the multiple falsehoods made by the author of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ 5:17 am post.
It also explains that shale oil isn’t a good source for gasoline.
‘Gassy: Adding up Bachmann’s $2-per-gallon promise’
http://minnesotaindependent.com/view/adding-up-bachmanns
“”The [Energy Information Administration] has also stated that the production of this oil would create an estimated as many as [sic] 750,000 American jobs,” wrote Bachmann.”
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That estimate is from a 1990 study by Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates, not the EIA.
And multiple other studies show that it’s wrong.
‘Fuelish Claims
Drilling the Arctic won’t create a significant number of jobs. ‘
http://www.nrdc.org/land/wilderness/artech/farcjobs.asp
Michele Bachmann is a nut.
Agnatha,
Except for Bachmann’s ridiculous claim that gas prices would drop to $2, she’s pretty typical of most Arctic Refuge drilling proponents.
She’s either very gullible, and believes the bogus talking points about 2,000-acre “plot”, Porcupine caribou wont be impacted, 750,000 new jobs, etc — or she’s deliberately lying.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 5:17 am
Last weekend, I traveled to northern Alaska to view firsthand the vast supply of natural resources America possesses. As I expected, ANWR was nothing more than a barren land, an arctic tundra void of wildlife and trees.”
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Bachmann’s plane didn’t even land in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, because it was too foggy. LOL! They just flew over it, and she declares that it’s “void of wildlife”.
And some more laughs, from the author of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ post at 5:17 am yesterday.
‘Rep. Bachmann Reports From ANWR: ‘Drill It or Lose It’
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27679
“And again, Prudhoe Bay has been the largest oil discovery that the United States has, and it is currently still today the largest oil discovery that America has, although the field is not producing as much as it did before. That means we need to find new sources of energy and through the seismic activity that scientists have done up there, they are quite certain that we have a very large oil reserve, the average estimate is 10 billion barrels of oil, just within 74 miles of the current pipeline.”
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1) “Quite certain? Did Bachmann fly over the Badami oil field, about 1/2 way between Prudhoe Bay and the western border of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? They’re having lots of trouble getting the oil out, despite current high oil prices.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
2) “Seismic activity” shows that the possibly recoverable oil in Area 1002 is scattered in many small pools. How does Bachmann plan to lift, process, and transport that possibly recoverable oil to the western border of the Refuge? A Star Trek transporter beam?
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 26, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 26, 2008 at 5:17 am
Last weekend, I traveled to northern Alaska to view firsthand the vast supply of natural resources America possesses. As I expected, ANWR was nothing more than a barren land, an arctic tundra void of wildlife and trees.”
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Bachmann’s plane didn’t even land in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, because it was too foggy. LOL! They just flew over it, and she declares that it’s “void of wildlife”.
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Better view than you cosmos. Have you ever been anyplace but the Internet?
At least the Congresswoman visited the area and looked at it.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 27, 2008 at 12:37 am | Permalink
And some more laughs, from the author of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ post at 5:17 am yesterday.
‘Rep. Bachmann Reports From ANWR: ‘Drill It or Lose It’
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27679
“And again, Prudhoe Bay has been the largest oil discovery that the United States has, and it is currently still today the largest oil discovery that America has, although the field is not producing as much as it did before. That means we need to find new sources of energy and through the seismic activity that scientists have done up there, they are quite certain that we have a very large oil reserve, the average estimate is 10 billion barrels of oil, just within 74 miles of the current pipeline.”
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1) “Quite certain? Did Bachmann fly over the Badami oil field, about 1/2 way between Prudhoe Bay and the western border of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? They’re having lots of trouble getting the oil out, despite current high oil prices.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
2) “Seismic activity” shows that the possibly recoverable oil in Area 1002 is scattered in many small pools. How does Bachmann plan to lift, process, and transport that possibly recoverable oil to the western border of the Refuge? A Star Trek transporter beam?
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Ever hear of bridges? Barges? Floating pipelines? Boom pipelines?
Is that what has you stumped cosmos? You can’t figure how to transport oil?
And you want everyone to believe you have all the answers for the future?
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos is a political hack.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 27, 2008 at 12:50 am
“Is that what has you stumped cosmos? You can’t figure how to transport oil?”
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Nope!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390459
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 27, 2008 at 12:47 am
“At least the Congresswoman visited the area and looked at it.”
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No. . . she did not “look” at it.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390463
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/conservation-still-easiest-energy-fix/#comment-390495