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		<title>By: Rage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jessica Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How engaging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How engaging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sursum</title>
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		<dc:creator>sursum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular: Baird, who was known as a reich wing hatchet man when in opposition, and his Conservative Ministry (they are a Conveservative not Liberal government)in Canada also deterred Shell from building a refinery on the shores of Lake St. Clair. More power to them. They don&#039;t need another refinery, the US does so they&#039;d be cracking crude for export to the US ending up with them getting the dirty air, the US getting the product. The Sierra club has take on the Oil Sands not quite in perspective. There is no shortage of water due to processing, for Canada has 50%+ of the worlds&#039; known fresh water reserves with only .05% of the worlds&#039; population, and there were about 7 ducks that got stuck in a tailing pond. It is a helluva messy way to get energy though and if oil drops below $65.00 a barrel it will dry up as a source. Another reason the price is kept high, all that sand is valuable inventory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular: Baird, who was known as a reich wing hatchet man when in opposition, and his Conservative Ministry (they are a Conveservative not Liberal government)in Canada also deterred Shell from building a refinery on the shores of Lake St. Clair. More power to them. They don&#8217;t need another refinery, the US does so they&#8217;d be cracking crude for export to the US ending up with them getting the dirty air, the US getting the product. The Sierra club has take on the Oil Sands not quite in perspective. There is no shortage of water due to processing, for Canada has 50%+ of the worlds&#8217; known fresh water reserves with only .05% of the worlds&#8217; population, and there were about 7 ducks that got stuck in a tailing pond. It is a helluva messy way to get energy though and if oil drops below $65.00 a barrel it will dry up as a source. Another reason the price is kept high, all that sand is valuable inventory.</p>
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		<title>By: Kandisue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kandisue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the aren&#039;t drilling because they don&#039;t think there is any oil on those leases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the aren&#8217;t drilling because they don&#8217;t think there is any oil on those leases.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.&quot;

    Future demand is going to be less than it is today. We will more wisely use what we have and so will need less.

     Damn it&#039;s something else when I have to take the conservatives to school on conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Future demand is going to be less than it is today. We will more wisely use what we have and so will need less.</p>
<p>     Damn it&#8217;s something else when I have to take the conservatives to school on conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 8:14 pm

&quot;cosmos
You are talking about measures that might slow the increase in future demand.
You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.&quot;
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No, econ. . . I&#039;ve explained how higher energy efficiency is &lt;i&gt;guaranteed&lt;/i&gt; to &quot;produce&quot; much more than the small, risky, high-cost oil reserves that we have in the U.S..

And at a lower cost, with less pollution, less adverse health effects, etc..

Not to even mention the carbon taxes that will raise costs in the future.

econ, why are you so confused and misinformed about future energy issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 8:14 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;cosmos<br />
You are talking about measures that might slow the increase in future demand.<br />
You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>No, econ. . . I&#8217;ve explained how higher energy efficiency is <i>guaranteed</i> to &#8220;produce&#8221; much more than the small, risky, high-cost oil reserves that we have in the U.S..</p>
<p>And at a lower cost, with less pollution, less adverse health effects, etc..</p>
<p>Not to even mention the carbon taxes that will raise costs in the future.</p>
<p>econ, why are you so confused and misinformed about future energy issues?</p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving the post above to the open thread. Sorry, I didn&#039;t want to hijack the the thread but was sort of responding to Maggie&#039;s post there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving the post above to the open thread. Sorry, I didn&#8217;t want to hijack the the thread but was sort of responding to Maggie&#8217;s post there.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German coal production and German coal use is INCREASING even after all of the &quot;alternatives&quot; are taken into account:

&quot;Underneath the marshy ground here is a huge deposit of cheap brown coal — manna for a nearby power plant that is among the biggest emitters of global warming gases in Europe. The presence of the fuel may mean that this village and its 680 residents have to go, moved out by the unceasing demand for dirty fossil fuels.

In recent years, Germany has made a large push into clean, renewable energy, and it is among the world&#039;s leading suppliers of wind and solar power. But like many European countries and the United States, it remains hooked on coal, its biggest source of energy.

That reliance is projected to grow in coming years. Utilities are seeking to build two dozen power plants to be fueled by lignite, the crumbly brown coal that lies just beneath the surface in much of eastern Germany and that has been strip mined for generations.&quot;

http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=92681</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German coal production and German coal use is INCREASING even after all of the &#8220;alternatives&#8221; are taken into account:</p>
<p>&#8220;Underneath the marshy ground here is a huge deposit of cheap brown coal — manna for a nearby power plant that is among the biggest emitters of global warming gases in Europe. The presence of the fuel may mean that this village and its 680 residents have to go, moved out by the unceasing demand for dirty fossil fuels.</p>
<p>In recent years, Germany has made a large push into clean, renewable energy, and it is among the world&#8217;s leading suppliers of wind and solar power. But like many European countries and the United States, it remains hooked on coal, its biggest source of energy.</p>
<p>That reliance is projected to grow in coming years. Utilities are seeking to build two dozen power plants to be fueled by lignite, the crumbly brown coal that lies just beneath the surface in much of eastern Germany and that has been strip mined for generations.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=92681" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=92681</a></p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, you know, we’ll just follow the rest of the world because America is no longer the leader in anything except obesity and credit debt.&quot;- MaggotPunk

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I was just thinking that maybe we would be world leaders in number of abortions. But compared to Russia, we are strictly minor leaguers.  They kill their offspring in the womb at about 5 times the rate we do. It&#039;s tough to beat those godless ex-communists when it comes to killing.   

Just brainstorming on a boring evening, but you know, I would gladly contribute to a ticket for Dr. Tiller to take his, ahem... &quot;talent&quot; to a society that better understands the need to terminate children in the womb. 

And I wonder if he keeps a running total. You know, like McDonalds used to? &quot;Over 25,000 killed&quot;. Or if say, the 25,000th customer comes in they give it to them free. Or discounts for repeat customers.  Coupons?  Well, enough of that. 

Oh, in case anyone is interested, here are the leading countries in the ongoing holocaust.   


 Health Statistics &gt; Abortions (per capita) (most recent) by country
 	Totals 	 	 	Per capita 	 
	
Showing latest available data.
Rank   	Countries  	Amount  (top to bottom)   
#1   	Russia: 	19.2885 per 1,000 people  	
#2   	Bulgaria: 	13.0232 per 1,000 people  	
#3   	Hungary: 	7.69032 per 1,000 people  	
#4   	Cuba: 	        7.39958 per 1,000 people  	
#5   	Sweden: 	4.16452 per 1,000 people  	
#6   	United States: 	4.0945 per 1,000 people  	
#7   	Norway: 	2.9767 per 1,000 people  	
#8   	New Zealand: 	2.76902 per 1,000 people  	
#9   	Iceland: 	2.71958 per 1,000 people  	
#10   	Japan: 	        2.69214 per 1,000 people  	
#11   	France: 	2.65644 per 1,000 people  	
#12   	Israel: 	2.47077 per 1,000 people  	
#13   	Italy: 	        2.30861 per 1,000 people  	
#14   	Canada: 	2.15056 per 1,000 people  	
#15   	Finland: 	1.8924 per 1,000 people  	
#16   	Germany: 	1.18811 per 1,000 people  	
#17   	India: 	        0.552036 per 1,000 people 	
#18   	Greece: 	0.113986 per 1,000 people 	
#19   	Poland: 	0.0144976 per 1,000 people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, you know, we’ll just follow the rest of the world because America is no longer the leader in anything except obesity and credit debt.&#8221;- MaggotPunk</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I was just thinking that maybe we would be world leaders in number of abortions. But compared to Russia, we are strictly minor leaguers.  They kill their offspring in the womb at about 5 times the rate we do. It&#8217;s tough to beat those godless ex-communists when it comes to killing.   </p>
<p>Just brainstorming on a boring evening, but you know, I would gladly contribute to a ticket for Dr. Tiller to take his, ahem&#8230; &#8220;talent&#8221; to a society that better understands the need to terminate children in the womb. </p>
<p>And I wonder if he keeps a running total. You know, like McDonalds used to? &#8220;Over 25,000 killed&#8221;. Or if say, the 25,000th customer comes in they give it to them free. Or discounts for repeat customers.  Coupons?  Well, enough of that. </p>
<p>Oh, in case anyone is interested, here are the leading countries in the ongoing holocaust.   </p>
<p> Health Statistics &gt; Abortions (per capita) (most recent) by country<br />
 	Totals 	 	 	Per capita 	 </p>
<p>Showing latest available data.<br />
Rank   	Countries  	Amount  (top to bottom)<br />
#1   	Russia: 	19.2885 per 1,000 people<br />
#2   	Bulgaria: 	13.0232 per 1,000 people<br />
#3   	Hungary: 	7.69032 per 1,000 people<br />
#4   	Cuba: 	        7.39958 per 1,000 people<br />
#5   	Sweden: 	4.16452 per 1,000 people<br />
#6   	United States: 	4.0945 per 1,000 people<br />
#7   	Norway: 	2.9767 per 1,000 people<br />
#8   	New Zealand: 	2.76902 per 1,000 people<br />
#9   	Iceland: 	2.71958 per 1,000 people<br />
#10   	Japan: 	        2.69214 per 1,000 people<br />
#11   	France: 	2.65644 per 1,000 people<br />
#12   	Israel: 	2.47077 per 1,000 people<br />
#13   	Italy: 	        2.30861 per 1,000 people<br />
#14   	Canada: 	2.15056 per 1,000 people<br />
#15   	Finland: 	1.8924 per 1,000 people<br />
#16   	Germany: 	1.18811 per 1,000 people<br />
#17   	India: 	        0.552036 per 1,000 people<br />
#18   	Greece: 	0.113986 per 1,000 people<br />
#19   	Poland: 	0.0144976 per 1,000 people</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cosmos
You are talking about measures that might slow the increase in future demand.
You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmos<br />
You are talking about measures that might slow the increase in future demand.<br />
You are not talking about much of anything as far as MEETING future demand.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 6:54 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;You have nothing.&quot;
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econ, would you call producing 8 BILLION barrels of oil over a 30-year period &quot;&lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;i&gt;&quot;?

That&#039;s about what increasing our U.S. light vehicle fleet mileage by &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; 1 mpg would &quot;produce&quot; over the same time period.

And that does not include the energy savings from &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; having to drill, lift, transport, refine, and distribute that oil.

And it would reduce demand on existing refineries.

We could increase mpg much more than that, with existing materials and technology.

There&#039;s also &quot;production&quot; from improving heavy vehicle mpg, reducing home heating oil usage, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 6:54 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>You have nothing.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>econ, would you call producing 8 BILLION barrels of oil over a 30-year period &#8220;</i><i>nothing</i><i>&#8220;?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about what increasing our U.S. light vehicle fleet mileage by <b>only</b> 1 mpg would &#8220;produce&#8221; over the same time period.</p>
<p>And that does not include the energy savings from </i><i>not</i> having to drill, lift, transport, refine, and distribute that oil.</p>
<p>And it would reduce demand on existing refineries.</p>
<p>We could increase mpg much more than that, with existing materials and technology.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also &#8220;production&#8221; from improving heavy vehicle mpg, reducing home heating oil usage, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: killerpizza</title>
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		<dc:creator>killerpizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the oil could be harvested economically at current oil prices, it would be.&quot;

ok
so some of you really bright thinkers can find a reason to make anything seem ok... if you&#039;re an idiot that is.

with oil at record highs can you think of when it will be profitable to drill ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the oil could be harvested economically at current oil prices, it would be.&#8221;</p>
<p>ok<br />
so some of you really bright thinkers can find a reason to make anything seem ok&#8230; if you&#8217;re an idiot that is.</p>
<p>with oil at record highs can you think of when it will be profitable to drill ??</p>
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		<title>By: Maggotpunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggotpunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No reasonable person believes that solar and wind will be able to provide anywhere near half of our total energy needs, at any time in the future.&quot;

Let&#039;s see.  Every building has a roof which provides a source for solar panels to be put in place.  The SW United States can provide all the nation&#039;s energy needs in a 90 square mile area.  The wind corridor in the Midwest can provide over 20% of America&#039;s needs.  If I look at that math it appears that solar and wind can easily provide a surplus of electricity.

Funny thing is Germany doesn&#039;t seem to have a problem with huge solar projects.  Despite having the same amount of sun exposure as Anchorage, Alaska they have installed hundreds of thousands of panels.  Germany is also the largest consumer of wind power in the world.  But, you know, we&#039;ll just follow the rest of the world because America is no longer the leader in anything except obesity and credit debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No reasonable person believes that solar and wind will be able to provide anywhere near half of our total energy needs, at any time in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see.  Every building has a roof which provides a source for solar panels to be put in place.  The SW United States can provide all the nation&#8217;s energy needs in a 90 square mile area.  The wind corridor in the Midwest can provide over 20% of America&#8217;s needs.  If I look at that math it appears that solar and wind can easily provide a surplus of electricity.</p>
<p>Funny thing is Germany doesn&#8217;t seem to have a problem with huge solar projects.  Despite having the same amount of sun exposure as Anchorage, Alaska they have installed hundreds of thousands of panels.  Germany is also the largest consumer of wind power in the world.  But, you know, we&#8217;ll just follow the rest of the world because America is no longer the leader in anything except obesity and credit debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387355</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets hope Obama will DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!

(Hell, he flip flops on everything else!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets hope Obama will DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!</p>
<p>(Hell, he flip flops on everything else!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387354</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No reasonable person believes that solar and wind will be able to provide anywhere near half of our total energy needs, at any time in the future.

Libs on this Blog claim that wind could provide, maybe, 25% of ELECTRICAL needs. That does not address our need for oil, at all.

So, even if wind and solar, combined, provided 25% of our total need. (They can&#039;t) --- Where will the other 75% come from?

You are dreaming.

You have nothing.

Yet you shoot down oil shale and methane ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No reasonable person believes that solar and wind will be able to provide anywhere near half of our total energy needs, at any time in the future.</p>
<p>Libs on this Blog claim that wind could provide, maybe, 25% of ELECTRICAL needs. That does not address our need for oil, at all.</p>
<p>So, even if wind and solar, combined, provided 25% of our total need. (They can&#8217;t) &#8212; Where will the other 75% come from?</p>
<p>You are dreaming.</p>
<p>You have nothing.</p>
<p>Yet you shoot down oil shale and methane ice.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387348</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 6:13 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing,...&lt;/i&gt;
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It does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; amaze me that a fossil-fuel shill like econ would call the huge amounts of energy in higher energy efficiency, solar, and wind, &quot;nothing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>econ posted July 21, 2008 at 6:13 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing,&#8230;</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>It does <i>not</i> amaze me that a fossil-fuel shill like econ would call the huge amounts of energy in higher energy efficiency, solar, and wind, &#8220;nothing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggotpunk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387338</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggotpunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing, yet they reject any idea that we can make energy out of SOMETHING: Oil Shale!&quot;

I wasn&#039;t aware liberals are staking the future on a perpetual motion machine.  Then again, you really never make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing, yet they reject any idea that we can make energy out of SOMETHING: Oil Shale!&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware liberals are staking the future on a perpetual motion machine.  Then again, you really never make much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387335</link>
		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it wasn&#039;t for environmentalists, this country would be swimming in the refuse of oil wells, coal mines, gold mines, silver mines, timber companies, chemical factories, manufacturing . . . probably missed a bunch, but my memory remembers not seeing the Santa Monica mountains from less than 15 miles away because of pollution. 

I find no reason for the oil companies being let off the environmental leash just because we&#039;re short on oil. 

I suspect it&#039;s you who have a short memory when it comes to the environmental damage these companies have done in the past. I have no desire to return there. Being an old fart, I would like to leave the next generation a cleaner planet. You, on the other hand, apparently could care less. I guess that pretty much spells out the difference between libs and cons, doesn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for environmentalists, this country would be swimming in the refuse of oil wells, coal mines, gold mines, silver mines, timber companies, chemical factories, manufacturing . . . probably missed a bunch, but my memory remembers not seeing the Santa Monica mountains from less than 15 miles away because of pollution. </p>
<p>I find no reason for the oil companies being let off the environmental leash just because we&#8217;re short on oil. </p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s you who have a short memory when it comes to the environmental damage these companies have done in the past. I have no desire to return there. Being an old fart, I would like to leave the next generation a cleaner planet. You, on the other hand, apparently could care less. I guess that pretty much spells out the difference between libs and cons, doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387332</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We WILL use carbon.
Carbon will be our primary energy source for the rest of our lives.
Most of the &quot;new technology&quot; that we will develop, in the future, will be oil shale technology, methane ice technology, and other methods of extracting carbon based fuels.
We will also have many new technologies, as far as hydrogen injection or oxygen injection into existing gasoline engines. 

It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing, yet they reject any idea that we can make energy out of SOMETHING: Oil Shale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We WILL use carbon.<br />
Carbon will be our primary energy source for the rest of our lives.<br />
Most of the &#8220;new technology&#8221; that we will develop, in the future, will be oil shale technology, methane ice technology, and other methods of extracting carbon based fuels.<br />
We will also have many new technologies, as far as hydrogen injection or oxygen injection into existing gasoline engines. </p>
<p>It amazes me that liberals dream of making something (a new energy source) out of nothing, yet they reject any idea that we can make energy out of SOMETHING: Oil Shale!</p>
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		<title>By: KansasNative</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387331</link>
		<dc:creator>KansasNative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reguliar =  blah blah blah

His man McC*nt the woman hating non-Christian is failing badly so Reguliar spouts crap against environmentalists.

Pathetic little non married with no kids weasel.

And yes...I approve this ad hominem attack on WORST BLOGGER EVER
...Reguliar whose sister is TASTEEE!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reguliar =  blah blah blah</p>
<p>His man McC*nt the woman hating non-Christian is failing badly so Reguliar spouts crap against environmentalists.</p>
<p>Pathetic little non married with no kids weasel.</p>
<p>And yes&#8230;I approve this ad hominem attack on WORST BLOGGER EVER<br />
&#8230;Reguliar whose sister is TASTEEE!.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387329</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Multi-nic&#039;d &#039;Regular&#039;&lt;/b&gt; posted July 21, 2008 at 5:28 pm 

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Lax environmental scrutiny for project that will spew three million tonnes of greenhouse gases every year&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
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Folks, you don&#039;t need to worry about greenhouse gases like CO2. . .

Just be a complete &lt;i&gt;idiot&lt;/i&gt;, and believe the dumb, ridiculous claims about CO2 made by the biologist E. G. Beck.

www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future 

&#039;Amateur night.....&#039;
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html

&#039;More Nonsense about CO2&#039;
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Multi-nic&#8217;d &#8216;Regular&#8217;</b> posted July 21, 2008 at 5:28 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Lax environmental scrutiny for project that will spew three million tonnes of greenhouse gases every year</i>&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Folks, you don&#8217;t need to worry about greenhouse gases like CO2. . .</p>
<p>Just be a complete <i>idiot</i>, and believe the dumb, ridiculous claims about CO2 made by the biologist E. G. Beck.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future</a> </p>
<p>&#8216;Amateur night&#8230;..&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html" rel="nofollow">http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html</a></p>
<p>&#8216;More Nonsense about CO2&#8242;<br />
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387328</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil Shale technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil Shale technology:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil</a></p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387327</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s fault is it we have higher gas prices?

It IS Obama&#039;s fault:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=135403</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s fault is it we have higher gas prices?</p>
<p>It IS Obama&#8217;s fault:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=135403" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=135403</a></p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387322</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&lt;b&gt;Explore Alberta&#039;s Oil Sands Tourism Website&lt;/b&gt;&#039;
http://www.desmogblog.com/explore-albertas-oil-sands-tourism-website 
&quot;An exciting new Alberta Tourism site has been launched to promote a great idea - oil sands vacations!

http://travelingalberta.com/

Why am I so excited about a new Alberta Tourism site? Well take a quick trip over and see what all the hype is about. 

Book your oil sands vacation today!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;<b>Explore Alberta&#8217;s Oil Sands Tourism Website</b>&#8216;<br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/explore-albertas-oil-sands-tourism-website" rel="nofollow">http://www.desmogblog.com/explore-albertas-oil-sands-tourism-website</a><br />
&#8220;An exciting new Alberta Tourism site has been launched to promote a great idea &#8211; oil sands vacations!</p>
<p><a href="http://travelingalberta.com/" rel="nofollow">http://travelingalberta.com/</a></p>
<p>Why am I so excited about a new Alberta Tourism site? Well take a quick trip over and see what all the hype is about. </p>
<p>Book your oil sands vacation today!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/big-oil%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98dirty-little-secret%e2%80%99/#comment-387312</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil shale has the about the same btu&#039;s as a potato.

It&#039;s not economically viable, it has never been economically viable, and it never will be . . . or I should say, it will be viable when refining potatoes for fuel is viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil shale has the about the same btu&#8217;s as a potato.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not economically viable, it has never been economically viable, and it never will be . . . or I should say, it will be viable when refining potatoes for fuel is viable.</p>
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