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Kerry was ‘agin’ his Vietnam service before he was ‘fer’ it again in 2004.

(chortles)

Let’s hope Pickens has that much in the bank, so he can pay up! I have been waiting 4 years to see somebody tell those swift boaters where to stick it with their lies.

Pickens really built himself a big strawman with those ads. Now, it looks like some folks are going to tear it down for him.

I think Kerry should sue his ass for defamation of character.

Kerry would have to prove he defamed him, and that would be hard to prove, especially with Kerry.

That figures you’d laugh about it Hank. Any means to an end? And where we’d be today had we elected Kerry would be far better off than we are now. Congratulations.

I hope your son gets beaten up for his service as much as Kerry did. And yes, I hope the others and Kerry sue for defamation, and take every last dime that man has.

Waaaah!

I thought Marines were tough.

No wonder the Marines prefer excons and high school dropouts.

Unbelievable Hank. I guess some folks have so much hate in their soul it just comes flowing out for the rest of us shake our heads at. Common decency apparently means nothing.

Some folks Linda, also have a problem with being able to discuss issues and politics without making it personal. It is a sign of lack of self control and intelligence. See above.

Its OK for you to make things personal, but not others. Oh, I see. giggle

What is it the blind see?

So, Linda,

Do you support P_Mom, KN an others that bring my boy’s service into the discussion and defame him based on absolutly no facts at all?

Hank, I thought we were signing up for blog duties and I planned to be the secretary, keep today’s minutes. I was recording those who were volunteering for duties. I had you at deciding whose service should be honored. Did you not volunteer for that duty today? The minutes can be amended.

Hank, the bullsh*t from the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were laid to rest during the campaign. Unfortunately, it was not the mainstream so called liberal media that did their jobs and actually investigated the truth of the allegations.

http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html

The men who actually, physically served with Kerry did not make the allegations. The men who actually, physically served with Kerry in fact disputed the allegations, and so do Navy records.

The so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth played on the great distaste that quite a few VN veterans felt for Kerry, but that doesn’t make the allegations true. Your buying into them, as well as your already admitted reliance on media that exists primarily to reinforce the viewpoints of coalition conservatives rather than to simply report news, demonstrates that you simply believe those claims that match your prior beliefs.

With regards to your son, I myself have no reason whatsoever to believe he served anything less than honorably. I think some of the others here are over the top. Others are trying to point out that the sort of innuendo used against Kerry can be used against anyone who served. I don’t think the “lesson” is necessary nor appropriate myself.

“I had you at deciding whose service should be honored. Did you not volunteer for that duty today?”

I don’t know about today linda.

But Mr Price is on record here and PROUDLY so of having contributed his voice AND money to the attacks on John Kerry’s service.

He has moved and seconded the trashing of veterans for political reasons. Now he must live with the standards he helped build.

“By the same standard, maybe you should serve with Nathan when he goes back before you defame him and his service.”

I have not defamed ANYONE’S service. That is the difference between you and me and just the beginning of them.

What, I’m supposed to be impressed that he is going back? Sorry. He’s walking his talk is all I’ll give him. I have no more interest in his and your war than that.

I am certainly not an expert regarding this matter, nor do I presume to be. I have found it curious that the Swift Boaters supposedly “know” more about this situation than the Dept. of the Navy.

That’s a lot of knowing!

gster, the minutes reflect “voice of reason” filled by several and seems to be well covered. Could you take jester? ;-)

John Kerry altered his own records, under the Jimmy Carter Amnesty Program.
Navy Secretary William Claytor was involved in John Kerry’s “final” discharge.
Kerry served under LBJ, then Nixon.
(Remember that Kerry lied and said that Nixon sent him to Cambodia over Christmas? Kerry later retracted that lie, since LBJ was still President and Nixon had not been sworn in yet, on the date that Kerry lied about. Truth is, Kerry was NEVER in Cambodia, but more on that later.)
Anyway, we have Kerry serving under LBJ and then Nixon.
Then Gerald Ford is President.
Then Jimmy Carter is elected President.
And, we are to think that Navy Secretary Claytor, who only held that position under Carter, “discharged” anti war activist Kerry?

No, Kerry first received a Less than Honorable Discharge.

Kerry had his discharge upgraded by the Carter Amnesty program.

Kerry should have run as an anti-war activist.

Instead, Kerry ran as a “war hero” — and that is why Kerry lost.

By the way, Kerry, himself, posted the William Claytor letter on his web page, for a brief period, obviously this was done by a staff member that did not understand what that letter meant.

Also, the DD-214 that Kerry listed on his web page lists a “Silver Star with a Combat V” as one of Kerry’s medals.

No such medal exists.

The “combat V” is never awarded with the Silver Star.

Chances are great that this error, in Kerry’s records, was caused by the fact that the military clerks had to retype all of Kerry’s old records, long after the war was over, and long after combat had ended in Vietnam.

The Military clerks who did the discharge paperwork would not have the experience, during the Carter Administration, to know that they had indicated an award that did not exist.

In other words, we can find many questions, and many errors, in Kerry’s own accounts of Vietnam and his radical anti-Vietnam past.

Prove me wrong, WS, —

Does Kerry’s DD-214 list a “Silver Star with a Combat V” — a medal that does not exist?

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/jodhn.htm

One can only hope that one of these libs or several get caught overseas in a situation by terrorist and held captive.

Their only hope to escape are the United States Marines.

In a news conference, one reporter will ask the four star Marine general how they are going to get the hostages released.

The General reply, “We’re not going to rescue them, the libs didn’t support us, called us baby killers, so fack em, let them die.” The General smiles and walks away sharply.

“CHRISTMAS IN CAMBODIA” – YET ANOTHER “LIE”

Has John Kerry been caught in yet another blatant lie about his military service? From the frantic gyrations of his spin-doctors and their specious explanations of “what really happened,” it would seem the senator’s “Christmas in Cambodia” story is in reality a fable, dreamed up to embellish the already fraudulent candidate’s resumé.

We read in the Congressional Record of March 27, 1986 (S3594) the following from the Massachusetts senator:

“Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968, sitting on a gunboat in [our italics] Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese, Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and I heard the President of the United States [Richard Nixon] telling the American people I was not there, that our troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared into my brain, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm’s way, we have a responsibility in the United States Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict.”

First of all, on December 25, 1968, Lyndon Johnson was still President of the United States and would continue to be chief executive until Nixon was sworn into office on January 20, 1969.

Next, Kerry could not have been “in” Cambodia at that stage of the war. Even his two adoring crewmates – Michael Medeiros and James Wassel have disputed that claim. And being on Kerry’s boat, they should know.

In December 1968, no U.S. Navy patrol craft would be ordered or authorized to penetrate Cambodian waters. It just did not happen.

And the line about being fired at by the “Khmer Rouge,” that was the Cambodian Communists, led by Khieu Samphan. Unfortunately for Kerry, that fighting force wasn’t even formed yet when “war hero” Kerry had his pipe dream. The Khmer Rouge came about after the American CIA engineered the overthrow of Prince Sihanouk in 1970.”

So, WS admits that I am telling the truth, about Kerry and Kerry’s lies? Ok, I can accept that.

Regular, in a tit for tat to your caring post:

When the federally-funded ESC research discovers treatments and cures for what ails us, EVERYONE will benefit no matter their political persuasions.

We are ONE country of diverse peoples.

Back on this thread’s topic: We’ve proven among us that whatever you want to find can be found, whichever “side” of an issue you want to support there will be something in support. Then we each weigh ALL the evidence and we form our opinions and our truths.

Khmer Rouge pre-dates 1968:

“The history of the communist movement in Cambodia can be divided into six phases: the emergence of the Indochinese Communist Party (ICP), whose members were almost exclusively Vietnamese, before World War II; the ten-year struggle for independence from the French, when a separate Cambodian communist party, the Kampuchean (or Khmer) People’s Revolutionary Party (KPRP), was established under Vietnamese auspices; the period following the Second Party Congress of the KPRP in 1960, when Saloth Sar (Pol Pot after 1976) and other future Khmer Rouge leaders gained control of its apparatus; the revolutionary struggle from the initiation of the Khmer Rouge insurgency in 1967-68 to the fall of the Lon Nol government in April 1975; the Democratic Kampuchea regime, from April 1975 to January 1979; and the period following the Third Party Congress of the KPRP in January 1979, when Hanoi effectively assumed control over Cambodia’s government and communist party.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

Paul – I had friends who told me they were shot at when they were in Cambodia. However, I will acknowledge that they were not sure who was shooting at them.

“So, WS admits that I am telling the truth”

You are truly an idiot, Rossell. I have not commented on the subject matter of this thread.

My only statement was in reference to your comment that I was lying re: Dobson.

Nathan would be very unhappy with your reading comprehension, Rossell.

And, if the ‘South Chicago Homeys for Truth’ start a 527 organiztion I’ll donate to them too!

Where’s the SCHT when you need them?

They are hoping the White Sox can win the AL. We ‘north-siders’ are going with our Cubbies.

As for T. Boone Pickens, he’ll never pay up.

He’s a lying pr*ck b@st@rd.

And he’s from TEXAS, the most arrogant state in the Union with absolutely no justification for it.

What can one expect.

Capn
John Kerry is a proven liar.
However,
The Swift Boat Veterans have yet to be proven wrong.

Regular–

You might look at the record of the military rescuing hostages.

It’s none too good.

Ask that Burnham woman.

We spend more money on our military than all the militaries in the world put together, and we can’t get two missionaries of an island in The Philippines.

Hey, if Halliburton and Blackwater don’t make money, it’s not “important.”

Proving negatives in an interesting quandry. What happens when a shadowy 527 group HHVT comes out with all sorts of vclaims against McCain? Could they be disproven? Remember; the burden of proof is not on the accuser to prove the allegations. It is upon the accused to prove his innocence.

“We ‘north-siders’ are going with our Cubbies.”

Good luck with that, Ben!

“THAT is the crux of my problem with John Kerry’s dissent. For the most part it was based on fraud. His dissent was NOT based in truth. His dissent was not conducted responsibly. It was, in my opinion, based on mischaracterization, outright lies, and fraud.

[Much of what I’m going to quote here comes from an excellent book that I urge all to read concerning this specifically and Viet Nam and its veterans in general. The book is “Stolen Valor” by B.G. Burkett. I’ll append “[BG]” after those quotes so excerpted.]

Neil Sheehan, certainly not a proponent of the war in Viet Nam by any stretch, characterized what was going on at that time quite well. Sheehan destroyed the credibility of Mark Lane’s book “Conversations with Americans” by revealing most of the “veterans” who’s “atrocities” Lane quoted hadn’t been in combat or even in Vietnam in many cases :

”This kind of reasoning,” Sheehan wrote, “amounts to a new McCarthyism, this time from the left. Any accusation, any innuendo, any rumor, is repeated and published as truth.”[BG}
It was, however, Lane’s book which inspired the “Winter Solder investigation”. The major organizers of the so-called “investigation” staged in Detroit in 1971 included Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, Phil Ochs, Graham Nash, David Crosby, Tom Hayden, Daniel Berrigan actor Donald Sutherland and activist lawyer and writer Mark Lane – the same guy who’d already been revealed as a fake. Also deeply involved in the organization of the event was the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) which included John Kerry who was on the VVAW Executive committee.

Kerry hooked up with an organization called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). Two events cooked up by this group went a long way toward cementing in the public mind the image of Vietnam as one big atrocity. The first of these was the January 31, 1971, “Winter Soldier Investigation,” organized by “the usual suspects” among antiwar celebrities such as Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, and Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theorist, Mark Lane. Here, individuals purporting to be Vietnam veterans told horrible stories of atrocities in Vietnam: using prisoners for target practice, throwing them out of helicopters, cutting off the ears of dead Viet Cong soldiers, burning villages, and gang-raping women as a matter of course.

To reveal the depth of dishonesty present, Al Hubbard, one of the founders of the VVAW and its Executive Secretary, claimed to be an Air Force pilot, wounded in Viet Nam. In fact, Hubbard was never an officer, never wounded and never in Viet Nam. VVAW members Elton Mazione, John Laboon, Eddie Swetz and Kenneth Van Lesser all claimed to have been a part of the Phoenix program in Viet Nam where they routinely killed children and removed body parts as a part of their duty. They were shown to have never been in the Phoenix program nor had they ever been in Viet Nam. And the list of more frauds later found within the organization is mind-boggling.”

http://qando.net/archives/002160.htm

What a pos. Just can’t admit that you screwed up can you Franklin.

Agnos, you bet your sweet ass I’m showing them that if they defame soldiers then that leaves their service records open to defamation as well. And it should. Of course, Hank believes in a double standard.

I would not be at all one bit surprised to find out that Nathan was behind some of the discrimination and torment we’re hearing from the Evangelicals in service. I don’t have any proof other than what he says here, but by gollyI can make that claim. He says he’s discussed it, and we know what he means by discussion.

If he gives other service members the same kind of treatment that he does here for a difference of religion…heck he even attacks CHRISTIANS, imagine what he’d say to non Christians.

By the way, I feel those kind of offenses deserve a dishonorable discharge.

http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm

John McCain and the USS Forrestal Fire

pmom
Service Records?
John Kerry has NEVER released his service record, to the public.
Why?

Capn
War is an awful thing.

However, the Vietcong Communists butchered their enemies, as a normal, routine practice.

The picture you speak of was not a deliberate act, and you know it. The United States did not, deliberately, as a matter of policy, attack women and children.

The Communists did.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Vietnamese tell international press that POW McCain was “singled out for softer treatment”

A former Vietnamese Communist Party official is claiming Sen. John McCain was “quickly singled out for softer treatment” as a POW because “he was the son of an American admiral. Phung Van Chung, 70, who was a Communist Party official at the time McCain was captured said “top” Vietnamese leaders wanted to use McCain “for negotiations.” Chung also said McCain is refusing “to acknowledge” the heroism of Mai Van On, a Vietnamese peasant who the Vietnamese say swam out during the bombing raid and rescued McCain from drowning. McCain’s refusal to publicly recognize Mai Van On for saving “his life” has some in the media speculating that McCain is afraid that to do so would “fuel other, more damaging allegations that McCain exaggerated elements of his PoW ordeal in Hoa Lo prison. Click here for the full story . . .

ben
I once mentioned, early in the primary, that I was worried about John Kerry’s temper.
You, Ben, came down on me like a ton of bricks.
I told you then, Ben, that you would be trashing John McCain worse than anyone, if McCain won the primary.

My prediction came true today.

“Franklin” asserts –

“The United States did not, deliberately, as a matter of policy, attack women and children.”

Take a look for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/3wzqgt

Despicable isn’t it, how some folks, just for political gain, would try to minimize what Kerry went through as a Viet Nam Vet.

Sorry
Meant to say that I once commented, in the primary, about John McCain’s temper. (Not John Kerry’s temper)
And, of course, Ben came down very hard on me, defending McCain, at that time.
I then told Ben that he, Ben, would be trashing McCain, if McCain won the Primary.
What Ben has said, today, is far, far worse than anything I ever said, during the primary.

What did Kerry go through WS, that is comparable to what John McCain went through? Did he go through anything that any other Vietnam vets didn’t go through? Was he a POW for 5 years. Did he get tortured?

What were his injuries that got him those 3 purple hearts?

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“In spades”. I guess that means “complete with lies and exaggerations”?

Ben
If the Vietnamese hated us and did not want us to be in Vietnam —

Why in the Hell did hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Vietnamese flee to the United States and to other countries?

Actually, if the liberal Democrat Congress had not tied President Gerald Ford’s hands, we could have very easily prevented the North from taking over the South.

At the time, of the Communist take over of Saigon, it was a purely conventional war.

The “gorilla” Viet Cong had been defeated.

John Kerry and Jane Fonda helped to defeat the United States, politically.

The United States Military never lost a single battle.

A small amount of combat air support would have stopped the Communist take over.

Democrats in Congress would not allow us to help our allies.

“What did Kerry go through WS, that is comparable to what John McCain went through? Did he go through anything that any other Vietnam vets didn’t go through? Was he a POW for 5 years. Did he get tortured?”

The point was not that Kerry went through as much as McCain. The point was simply that it is hypocritical to declare McCain’s service time to be off limits yet support the trashing of Kerry’s service.

“A small amount of combat air support would have stopped the Communist take over.”

Bullshit.

Anyone who contributes to this thread and denies the treatment of returning Viet vets was directly tied to the actions of the John Kerrys and Jane Fondas of the day is living in a fantasy land.

We treated the returning vets with absolutely no respect. They still bear this stigma in many ways.

Pmom for you to write something like you wrote about Nathan is not worthy of someone who claims to be a thinking person with values even if they are leftwing is despicable. If someone personally attacked your son like you just did what would you do?

We have to be better than we show on this blog. If not is this country worth saving? Lets all just roll over and let the most vile among us take over.

Franklin has given some very good evidence of what Kerry was about. How many people go to war with a camcorder in his duffle? How many soldiers staged battle situations so they could tape them? How many soldiers came back and testified to the atrocities committed when he was in Viet? If he did these things why wasn’t he put in the brig and punished? By his own words we know he lied about Cambodia.

The battle today is between Obama and McCain. Two very different ends of the same spectrum.

Franklin says they were “appropriately punished.”

Does it hurt to be as ignorant as you?

Here are the facts–

“He fired at it [the baby] with a .45. He missed. We all laughed. He got up three or four feet closer and missed again. We laughed. Then he got up right on top and plugged him.”

“Some of the people were trying to get up and run. They couldn’t and fell down. This one woman, I remember, she stood up and tried to make it — tried to run — with a small child in her arms. But she didn’t make it. ” —Army photographer Ronald Haeberle

“ It looks like a bloodbath down there! What the hell is going on? ” —Unidentified helicopter pilot over My Lai

BBC News described the scene:

“ Soldiers went berserk, gunning down unarmed men, women, children and babies. Families which huddled together for safety in huts or bunkers were shown no mercy. Those who emerged with hands held high were murdered. … Elsewhere in the village, other atrocities were in progress. Women were gang raped; Vietnamese who had bowed to greet the Americans were beaten with fists and tortured, clubbed with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets. Some victims were mutilated with the signature “C Company” carved into the chest. By late morning word had got back to higher authorities and a cease-fire was ordered. My Lai was in a state of carnage. Bodies were strewn through the village.[1]

Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson, Jr., a 24-year-old helicopter pilot from an aero-scout team, witnessed a large number of dead and dying civilians as he began flying over the village — all of them infants, children, women and old men, with no signs of draft-age men or weapons anywhere. Thompson and his crew witnessed an unarmed passive woman kicked and shot at point-blank range by Captain Medina (Medina later claimed that he thought she had a grenade).[19] The crew made several attempts to radio for help for the wounded. They landed their helicopter by a ditch, which they noted was full of bodies and in which there was movement. Thompson asked a Sergeant he encountered there (David Mitchell of the 1st Platoon) if he could help get the people out of the ditch, and the Sergeant replied that he would “help them out of their misery”. Thompson, shocked and confused, had then a conversation with Lieutenant Calley, commanding officer of the 1st Platoon, who claimed to be “just following orders”. As the helicopter took off, they saw Mitchell firing into the ditch.

*****

Now what was the punishment: one officer Lt. Calley got 4 and 1/2 months in the stockade.

That’s it. Period. An entire village of women and children brutally raped, tortured and murdered, and one guy got less time than you or I would get for stealing a car.

What a great public service these Libs are doing.

You know if they would put their post on the six o’clock news, the American public would see what total nut jobs these people are.

Then, they would kick Obama and his supporters to the curb and anyone would be a better choice, McCain, Barr or the City Dog Catcher.

What a bunch of retro, clueless hippies. The libs will write or say anything.

Clue for ya libs – Go to a fist fight, don’t bring your feel good handbooks and moveon.org print outs. It won’t help ya.

Capn
No matter what happened at My Lai, do you support the fabrication of false stories, by people who were never in Vietnam?
Do you support Kerry’s efforts, to have these “fake soldiers” testify against the United States Government?

“Clue for ya libs – Go to a fist fight, don’t bring your feel good handbooks and moveon.org print outs. It won’t help ya.”

Threatening violence again, McCluer?

Well WS I was of that era and saw just the opposite of what you saw and I still today see many Viet vets who tell the stories of how they were welcomed back. It wasn’t pretty. No parties in the streets like after WWII. No special ceremonies. We must have been living in parallel worlds.

By the time they came back en masse the wheels had been greased by Hanoi Jane and John Kerry. Read some of the stories written by the returning vets. Go to the VA and set down and talk to some vets.

WSClark
Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
“We treated the returning vets with absolutely no respect.”

Bullshit. I had friends that served in ‘Nam. I had a friend that died in ‘Nam. I was one of those that actively protested the War.

I never, ever, ever, saw or even heard of a returning Vet that was treated poorly. Every Vet that I knew was welcomed back with open arms.

Hell, we used to have parties in their honor!

Christ.

“It’s the rules, not the soldiers, that are my real enemies.” Bob Seger – “2 + 2.”

Regardless of what Bob Seger said, regardless of what you say, I saw and experienced the awful treatment by returning GIs and anybody else in military uniform. San Diego, 1974/5 San Francisco 1974/1975. I too had friend in Viet Nam. I too had friends die in Viet Nam. I too had friggin parties when they got back. Big deal. There was a large compenent that offered nothing but calling the military babykillers. Was it the majority? Probably not. But, I do believe that the Viet Nam era vet did not receive the respect afforded returning vets of other conflicts.

“No parties in the streets like after WWII.”

There were no parties in the streets because there was no victory.

And I stand by my statement – I never, ever, ever saw a returning Viet Nam Vet disrespected in any manner.

Maybe you Okie had a different view than we did in Michigan.

Everyone of our friends that returned home had a party thrown for them. They did complain, however, about the quality of the pot we had. They said that the stuff they got in ‘Nam was much better.

“do you support the fabrication of false stories, by people who were never in Vietnam?

Do you support Kerry’s efforts, to have these fake soldiers testify against the United States Government?”

*****

Of course not.

But the fact that some may have been faked in no way negates the many that were true.

The American people deserved to know what was done “in our name” and with our money.

“But, I do believe that the Viet Nam era vet did not receive the respect afforded returning vets of other conflicts.”

Most ‘Nam Vets served a thirteen month tour in country. They returned to the US is relatively small groups. They did not have a “victory” to celebrate. Further, the Viet Nam War did not have the support of the general population of the USA, therefore there wasn’t a lot of celebrating going on.

Perhaps there were idiots that mistreated returning Vet – I never saw anything close to disrespect. It was my experience that Vets were received, literally, with open arms.

From the Toledo Blade–

On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man “Tiger Force” unit of the U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a four and a half year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The articles further report that the Army’s inquiry concluded that eighteen U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution.

http://hnn.us/articles/1802.html

Another McCain-bashing site – from the RIGHT:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/nov07/mccain_deceit.htm

With THESE tidbits:

McCain has forgotten his own history of involvement with betrayal, deceit and corruption

When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. Carol McCain, once a model, had been badly injured in a car wreck in 1969. The accident “left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she gained a good deal of weight.” Despite her injures, she had refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.

But, just a couple years later, McCain, while pondering a future in politics, met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family. While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 — just a month after dumping his crippled wife and securing a divorce.

McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona. Not long after settling in, the former POW newlywed was introduced to Darrow “Duke” Tully, publisher of the conservative and powerful Arizona Republic and the Phoenix Gazette.

Tully, who quickly became a close friend of McCain, wasted no time in using the power of his newspapers to jump start McCain’s political career. His newspapers endorsed McCain’s first run for Congress and touted him as successor for retiring Sen. Barry Goldwater.

Described as “equal parts cowboy, commando, swashbuckler and elegant tycoon” by the Chicago Tribune, Tully was “a George Patton who drove a Corvette, a Randolph Hearst who flew an F-16, a John Wayne in aviator glasses and Air Force dress blues.”

In the senate, McCain managed to stay low key until suddenly he found himself on television trying to explain himself as one of the “Keating 5,” five senators who became enmeshed in the scandal involving the collapsed Lincoln Savings and Loan and the financial machinations of Charles Keating.

The Arizona Republic – October 17, 1989 — “McCain, in a radio talk-show appearance last week condemned disclosures of his family’s ties to Keating as ‘irresponsible journalism.’”

The Phoenix Gazette, November 13, 1989 — “Reporters also ‘discovered’ that the senator’s wife and father-in-law invested $359,100.00 in one of Mr. Keating’s projects in 1986 . . .”

The Arizona Republic, April 29, 1990 — “McCain’s involvement with Keating . . . when reporters called him with questions last year about previously unknown ties to Keating, an investment by wife Cindy McCain in a Keating shopping center and trips to Keating’s Bahamas home, McCain went into a rage.”

It’s a moot point now but I often wondered which one of John Kerry’s three Purple Hearts Boone Pickens didn’t like?

Oh, well so much for supporting our vets.

Kerry wasn’t the only vet who got trashed. The Republicans then trashed legless Max Cleland, and a few years later, the same bozos turnen on their own, John McCain, in South Carolina and accused him of being the father of a black “illegitimate” baby.

Judging by some of the witless rhetoric on this thread, there are some angry old white men out there clinging to their guns, their religion and their broadband connections..

“Fack the Libs, self serving butt wipes.”

Damn, McCluer you seem to have a tremendous interest in lib butts.

What up with that?

Kansasdem I have to admit that part of what you write is true. We staunchly hold on to those things that make us feel righeous and vindicated. Both sides do this. But you know we aren’t hard wired with these thoughts and reactions. We do have the ability to breakout and start thinking for ourselves.

Personal attacks accomplish nothing but rile the adversary. We are all better than that.

I have heard and still hear Viet vets talk about the treatment they received when they came home. My brother-in-law who still has schrapnel in his leg from an enemy grenade tells of the day he was injured. A small child, little girl not over 6 just walked into their encampment. He was a yoeman and spent his time in a tent typing and receiving orders for the men in combat. When he heard the call to take cover the only thing he saw was that little girl. In her hand was the grenade just waiting for her to release the pin. He made it to a trench but still bears a reminder of that day. He earned a Purple Heart that day but he has never shown it to anyone that I know of. The vets came back ashamed of what they did. The atmosphere of our country did that.

That war was a lot like the one we are fighting today. They didn’t know who the enemy was. Surely it wasn’t the little girl who walked in with that grenade and blew herself up. I was against that war. My friends fought in it and many didn’t return.

There are no clear answers where war is concerned. I know that when Kerry went before congress and told what my friends told me were lies I didn’t like him then and I wanted this war to end.

“It’s a moot point now but I often wondered which one of John Kerry’s three Purple Hearts Boone Pickens didn’t like?”

LOL!

What purple hearts? He threw them over the fence!

Pickens is a Weclch. Good luck collecting. In other news Viet Vets against McCain ran an article that McCain received preferential treatment as a pow, and showed his gratitude to the North Vietnamese villager that pulled him out of the brink, from drowning, a cheap Senate Seal decal!

Vietnam was the war of my generation. My husband, many relatives, many friends served during that time; some came home with injuries, some came home in coffins. They did what they were ordered to do. They killed, if necessary, to keep from being killed.

The ones I know were welcomed home by loving families and friends. It wasn’t what they faced when they got home that keeps them quiet about that part of their life. I know some who became more angry and disillusioned when they couldn’t get their illnesses even recognized by the government they served, let alone get treatment. There were some affects of war that finally were recognized after long years. Others still never have been.

In the rare times we talk, they still wonder what was accomplished. It wasn’t a just war. They feel like there should have been something accomplished for the kinds of sacrifices made.

What do we know about McCain’s serivce? 1) he was instrumental in the worst naval disaster, the Forester, during the Viet war. 2) He managed to get shot down. 3) He was rescued by the other side. 4) He received preferential treatment as a pow.
My kind of war hero.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=109065

The stories are terrible. “Kill anything that moves” – that’s what one company of American soldiers was told when they set out on a sweep of the rice paddies on Vietnam’s central coast in February 1968, according to Jamie Henry, at the time a 20-year old medic. So they shot and killed 19 unarmed civilians, women and children. When Henry got home to California, he held a news conference describing the slaughter, but there was no official response. Now we learn that the army did investigate his report — and concluded it was accurate – but did nothing to punish the guilty.

The official line that abuses were “confined to a few rogue units” is demolished by the material Turse discovered. Atrocities were committed, according to the Times, by “every army division that operated in Vietnam.” They found a pattern of “recurrent attacks on ordinary Vietnamese–families in their homes, farmers in rice paddies, teenagers out fishing,” who were “murdered, raped and tortured with impunity” by American soldiers.

Linda you and I share the memories of this time in our history. Our memories aren’t that different. I was struck though with what has happened to our goals since then.

They were denied many benefits. Agent orange wasn’t recognized for the insidious contaminant it was until the last few years. We had vets fighting the effects of it being turned down for treatment. This is why I don’t question the treatment of any veteran. I think they worked hard to gain that benefit. When I read some on here calling their treatment welfare it upsets me greatly.

Something happens through the years to solidify our beliefs and political persuasions. That is where we are on this blog. Worlds apart on some things but very close on others.

We will all see dirty tactics used in this election just as we have in every election. It will be our responsibility as voters to wade through the waste and pick out the truths.

Franklin–

It’s you who refuse to acknoledge the elephant in the room.

Atrocities were routinely committed in Vietnam.

What Kerry said was true.

But you CONs didn’t want to hear the truth in ‘71 and you don’t want to hear it now.

John Kerry is ALSO partly responsible for the current human rights abuses, murders and genocide in Vietnam.
John Kerry kisses so much Communist ass that Kerry refuses to hold Vietnam accountable for current genocide.

Christians are getting murdered by the thousands in Iraq under our watch and as a direct result of our overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

Strange silence from the CONs on that . . .

So let me follow the liberal logic today…

We have a political discussion about Kerry and how he used his service record in the 2004 election and how the Swift Boat Veterens questioned that, so you get to make rude comments about those in the discussion?

With that kind of logic every time you say one bad thing about Bush, which you do daily, we get to say bad things about your family too.

Right?

The stupidity of you liberals on this blog continues to amaze me.

And Linda the biggest blog Hypocrite continues to show why she is the champion of that title.

Political Mama,

When did you feel bad for it before?

LOL, now you are a liar for pretending you ever felt bad about the crap you spew here.

And you show me where I ever attacked you service?

Political Mama,

Not only are you a liar, but you are a stupid one at that:

“I hope your son gets beaten up for his service as much as Kerry did.”

i’m glad that you agree Grm that Agent Orange people deserve treatment. Now since my father has fought that battle for 30 years with the government denials, won’t you tell Bush to sign the dang settlement so my dad can finally get the money he deserves?

3 million….and still not a dime. Still waiting, probably till he dies.

Before today nathan. Can’t do it can you idiot.

Political_mama
Posted June 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
When is someone going to grow some balls and ask if he called his wife a McC*unt without letting him skirt it.

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PM, How about you grow some balls and show us proof that he said that. Don’t skirt it!

Political Mama,

Obviously attacking my service wasn’t an issue between you and I until today. Hence this entire conversation.

You act as if you are no longer going to feel bad about attacking me, yet you never showed how you felt bad to begin with. I point this out and you demand that I show you where you attacked me, I do and you say show you where before today, well before today this was not an issue…

You really can’t be this stupid can you?

If we really wanted to take this to the real logical extreme, those attacking Kerry actually served. So, if you want to attack my service, you need to have served as well.

Phantom if you went to that site you will see there is a very long list of every possible complication of agent orange exposure. If you have something else maybe it wasn’t from that exposure.

“I have spoken with an Iraqi Christian.”

Gee, that’s nice, Nathan.

Did you speak with him recently?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/21/ST2008042103252.html

Iraqi Christians Struggle With Fear After Slayings
Recent Priest Killings Follow Years of Violence, Leaders Say

Violence in Iraq has declined dramatically since last year, but members of the country’s Christian denominations say they are increasingly under threat.

In March, Paulos Faraj Rahho, archbishop of Mosul’s Chaldean community, was found dead after being abducted. This month, Youssef Adel, an Assyrian Orthodox priest, was fatally shot in a drive-by attack in Karrada, one of Baghdad’s safest neighborhoods and home to Abdal’s Holy Catholic Assyrian Church.

Dozens of churches, monasteries and other buildings have been firebombed, looted or occupied by Muslims since June 2004, according to Assyrian church leaders. Christian relief organizations describe the plight of Iraqi Christians as “ethnic cleansing.”

The Iraqi Christian population numbered 1.35 million before the Persian Gulf War in 1991, according to politicians who cite government statistics from the time. That number has dropped by at least half, according to politicians, priests and religious organizations, mainly because Christians have fled the country in the years since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

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Thanks to the Christians Bush and Nathan, Christians in Iraq can now be persecuted with impunity.

“Mission Accomplished.”

Oh, well . . . at least HALLIBURTON is doing well!

I’ve always believed that Clinton should have resigned after cheating on his wife and lying to the American public about it.

If he had, Al Gore would have become president. Al Gore would not have had the election stolen from him in 2000.

And we wouldn’t be bogged down in war without end and a 9 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT under

Worst.
President.
Ever.

An affair that was supposed to be kept private and calling your wife a c in public, two totally different things.

Both disrespectful and not very smart, but one shows a seething hatred of women, the other shows…well a guy who loves the ladies too much.

WS never misses an opportunity to bash a clinton.

Nathan, I’ve never been more disgusted with someone who would attack soldiers until your FATHER showed how purely acceptable it is.

If you’re going to dish it out, expect to get it back.

GRM, my dad already went to court and proved that it was Agent Orange. He used to haul the barrels and sat in it fully concentrated which left him without skin on his behind for weeks. There is no question. he was awarded the money….all that has to be done now is for Bush to sign off on it and pay up.

Of course this all happened before I was born. And people question why Ihave such diseases in my family….

Political_mama
Posted June 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
When is someone going to grow some balls and ask if he called his wife a McC*unt without letting him skirt it.

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Once more,
PM, How about you grow some balls and show us proof that he said that. Don’t skirt it!

PM, You are just another Leftist hack who makes insane claims with NOTHING to back them up. You are a snake upon the ground. Now, slither away.

Political_mama
Posted June 25, 2008 at 4:34 pm | Permalink
I offer proof that he has not denied the comment.
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That is all you have???

Franklin
Posted June 25, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
John Kerry has blocked human rights legislation that would help the minority populations in Communist Vietnam:

http://vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org/kerry_human_rights.htm

“In spite of pleas from Vietnamese Americans, human rights activists and veteran’s groups, Senator JOHN KERRY (D-MA) successfully sabotaged the Vietnam Human Rights Act (Senate Bill HR-2833). By doing so Kerry literally facilitated the communist Vietnamese efforts to exterminate the Christian hill tribe peoples living in the Central Highlands region of Vietnam.

The Bill was designed to sanction communist Vietnam for its calculated sterilization, terrorism and genocide of the hill tribe people commonly known to westerners as the MONTAGNARDS.

MONTAGNARD hill tribesmen are ethnically unrelated to the Vietnamese. The Central Highlands region has been the home of the MONTAGNARDS for at least a 1,000 years.

As late as 1970 there were an estimated 3,000,000 Montagnards in various tribes living in the Vietnam region. As a direct result of Vietnam’s ongoing campaign of ethnic extermination, the total population of Montagnards is now BELOW 650,000. This unadulterated genocide has taken nearly two thirds of the Montagnards in only 34 years, including more than half the male population.”

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Vietnamese tell international press that POW McCain was “singled out for softer treatment”

A former Vietnamese Communist Party official is claiming Sen. John McCain was “quickly singled out for softer treatment” as a POW because “he was the son of an American admiral. Phung Van Chung, 70, who was a Communist Party official at the time McCain was captured said “top” Vietnamese leaders wanted to use McCain “for negotiations.” Chung also said McCain is refusing “to acknowledge” the heroism of Mai Van On, a Vietnamese peasant who the Vietnamese say swam out during the bombing raid and rescued McCain from drowning. McCain’s refusal to publicly recognize Mai Van On for saving “his life” has some in the media speculating that McCain is afraid that to do so would “fuel other, more damaging allegations that McCain exaggerated elements of his PoW ordeal in Hoa Lo prison. Click here for the full story . .

Just reminding Rossell that when he repeat-posts his stuff the favor can be returned.

While being treated in the hospital, McCain made a series of propaganda statements for the communist including at least one television interview during which he gave specific “military information” pertaining to his mission. McCain was quoted in the communist press describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.

McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting “extreme mental and physical cruelties” inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the exact time frame during which McCain was in the hospital making propaganda statements for the enemy in exchange for medical treatment.

Political Mama,

I have served 12 years in the Marine Corps.

My father served 22 years in the Navy.

The SWIFT BOAT Veterans are just that… Veterans who served in Swift Boats.

What have you done? How many years have you served?

You have no place to question my service or to attack my service.

You are nothing more than some liberal on a blog who has her panties in a wad because we dare to question one of your failed liberal heros.

When you serve Honorably in the military your word will be worth something.

Until then? Just another stupid liberal on this blog.

The only thing you should be saying to me is Thank you, you ungreatful worthless piece of crap.

I bet he quickly gave his name, “I’m John Sydney McCain,I’m the Admiral’s son, my grandpa was an Admiral too!”

He’ll need those values, and may even have to borrow some from Brownback to overcome his opposition from the hay seeds.

The swift boaters and groups like them are why Obama was SMART and refused to be hemmed in by public fiancing! Good for Obama! Bad for Kerry.

KansasNative,

That is why you are nothing but a sorry liberal piece of crap too.

My my Nathan…little testy tonight even after daddy defended you all day long?

What do we owe you?

You were hired to do a job…you did it…you got paid.

Now your employer would rather hire high school dropouts and ex cons than keep you with all your training.

Kiss your daddy’s ass ’cause he taught you to have your hand out expecting something for nothing.

You’ve been brainwashed by your dad Nathan

Grow up, be a man and live your life instead of letting daddy continue to define who you are.

If I’m a piece of crap, then you can eat me asswipe!

KansasNative,

What do you know about my employer and me? Apparently nothing.

As I have said several times on this blog about the conditions surrounding my deployment and you either ignore them or are too stupid to grasp the concept.

How many days have you served? Yet you question my service?

If you were not hiding behind some nic, I would come eat you, you retard.

WS Clark,

When was your last AIDS test?

If you stopped sleeping with those South Broadway girls you probably wouldn’t have to get tested so regularly.

Fine outstanding example of what it means to be a CHRISTIAN…huh Price?

Grovel for “thankyou”s all you want Nathan.

Be a beggar…make daddy Hank proud.

“I probably don’t feel as good as you do with those little boys.”

Way out of line, Price. That is disgusting even for you.

“If you stopped sleeping with those South Broadway girls you probably wouldn’t have to get tested so regularly.”

I wouldn’t know, Price, I have never visited a prostitute. Apparently, you know something about it.

As for HIV/AIDS testing? Responsible sexually active adults do take precautions, something a cherry boy like you has no need to do.

“If you were not hiding behind some nic, I would come eat you, you retard.”

I realize that this wasn’t addressed to me, but you just might want to rephrase that, Price…..

Damn, I about tossed my dinner after reading that!

“I simply think that is all you liberal scum should be giving me instead of crap.”

“I would come eat you, you retard.”

Too funny, Price, way too funny.

My, my, someone certainly is projecting their fantasies tonight. Can you all feel the Christian love just pouring from these fundies?

Wonderful. Ain’t hate great KansasNative?

Hope you guess by name.

Some folks here might want to learn how to read >>>>

“Kerry did not claim to have been sent on a covert mission to Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Rather, he believed at the time he had crossed the border while on a patrol near the border, during which the boats were ambushed and later came under friendly fire from South Vietnamese soldiers.[John F. Kerry, the Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, p. 84]

No official documentation of any accidental or other incursion by either of Kerry’s boats has been discovered. In addition, none of Kerry’s crewmates have confirmed ever being sent to Cambodia. One of Kerry’s crewmen, SBVT member Steven Gardner [60], asserted that it was physically impossible to cross the Cambodian border, as it was blocked and patrolled by PBRs (a type of patrol boat) [61]; however, Kerry’s boat was evidently patrolling with PBRs during the mission in question [62]. Some crewmembers have, moreover, stated that they may at some point have entered Cambodia without knowing it. James Wasser, who was on PCF-44 on that December mission, while saying that he believed they were “very, very close” to Cambodia, did not recall actually crossing over; he also stated that it was very hard to tell their exact position in the border area. Kerry’s own journal entry on this, written the night of the mission, does not specifically say they entered Cambodia. However, it does state that PCF-44 was somewhere “toward Cambodia” to provide cover for two smaller patrol boats, and in sarcasm, that he considered messaging Christmas greetings to his commanders “from the most inland Market Time unit” and that a court martial for the incident “would make sense” [63]. In addition, George Elliott noted in Kerry’s fitness report that he had been in an ambush during the 24 hour Christmas truce, which began on Christmas Eve [64].”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry_military_service_controversy

MY name.

Lu

Nathan seems to have a Napoleon complex, I should be saying ‘thank you’ for what? For destroying the soldier’s reputation that would have saved us from this nightmare?

Please, right now I’d spit on you.

Yeah, that’s right, I’m going there. Conservatives are traitors to the US. And yes, My dad did serve and I’m affected by it, so you can KMA. I will say what I want about it.

You got nothing on Kerry who is an honorable man who did the right thing. You just can’t stand that can you. You can’t stand that someone broke rank and tattled.

“will you pray with me for Nathan’s soul.”

Amen, Brother Maggot, amen!

May peace be on his soul!

My my… I know this will add fuel to the fire, but man, what jackal like behavior from the left here. I can just imagine you all in a pack, diverting attention while another sneaks up behind their opponent in another cowardly attack. Pathetic.

“I know this will add fuel to the fire, but man, what jackal like behavior from the left here”

So, you are okay with Nathan stating that I am a pedophile that also visits prostitutes, right Outlander?

And you claim to be a Christian.

Yeah, right.

What was that Commandment about bearing false witness?

Jeez, McCluer, that has to be one of the dumbest posts of all time – you are officially down to Fleet and Max levels.

Congratulations!

Rolls of fat on my neck? Really?

Hahaha.

Pmom I have searched for the settlement fund your daddy is waiting on and couldn’t find anything other than a $197 million dollar fund that finished paying out in 1995. Bush had nothingh to do with it. It came from the makers of agent orange.

What kind of settlement is Bush holding up?

This happened back in the 90’s from what I have found. There is a schedule of monthly benefits but they wouldn’t be close to 3 million, a number you mentioned. Still can’t see where Bush could have done anything to help your dad.

If nothing else, this “swift boat” blog shows that the left will not take it anymore.

The tighty righties have been crying and whimpering all day long.

I no longer even believe that Nathan was a Marine.

He’s too much a daddy’s boy to have served.

Gee pmom do you have rolls around your neck? Regular have you been following her.

Kansasnative I see reading comprehension and understanding is an attribute lacking on the left side of the political spectrum. The left lost big time today.

Softball time, gotta go.

“The left lost big time today.”

Jeez, Grm, I don’t remember any good Christians from the LEFT accusing anyone of pedophilia today.

Anyone that makes such a statement must be a big time loser – who could that be?

I see the little gutless worm Nathan swings at me when I’m not even around. I guess it is better than his bullying linda.

I’ll not be like the cons attacking John Kerry and his service. I won’t attack anyone here there service.

But I WILL say that among SOME of the veterans that post here? I find some pretty despicable people.

We have Hank to dishonor the Navy. Nathan and Paulie disgrace the Marines.

James Regular MAY be a shattered remnant of a sorrier bit of the Air Force.

All we need is a con to disgrace the Army, Coast Guard and Merchant Marine.

“The Kerry group rebuts several of the accusations and demands apologies”

Where were they when Kerry returned from Nam and was calling them baby killers? Why didn’t they speak out and defend him when he was swapping spit with Jane Fonda?

It’s John and Jane that need to get on their knees and kiss every Vet’s backside, then they can start a sincere apology to the American people that they betrayed.

Ya know?

I think we may have come a bit TOO far.

Blaming the vets for Viet Nam, that was wrong.

But JUST as wrong is this new attitude from the right AND from someone like Nathan who is actually IN the reserve Military.

Let me show you.

From Nathan “…so I don’t grovel for thanks, I simply see it as the only offering scum like you should be capable of giving.”

And just recently, from an unknown nic we get,

“It’s John and Jane that need to get on their knees and kiss every Vet’s backside”

Know what is funny here?

It is CONS that fight against funding for the VA and Veteran’s benefits.

As a liberal, I think we DO owe our veterans.

But ENOUGH of this “bow and scrape and kiss their ass” crap. Being a veteran doesn’t make someone some sort of elevated being.

It means you could take orders and do a job. There are MILLIONS of people who have to do that every single day that have never worn a uniform.

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Political_mama
Posted June 25, 2008 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

Regular you retarded freakshow, whenever have you seen me. Are you stalking me dipsheet?
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How else would one notice the fat rolls?

K-Native – you are correct. “swift-boating” is going to cut both ways this year. The funny thing is the nasty anti-McCain stuff I found came from the RIGHT!

After what the Repukes did to Murtha and McClelland (sp?) this sort of thing has become fair game. Like they say, what goes around comes around. Or – Karma is a bitch.

The other aspect of this is that McCain has traded so much on his so-called “straight talk”. Well – with Charles Keating and wife 2.0 that will be targeted. This also makes him vulnerable in the so-called “family values” crowd.

That’s what I thought punk freak. You’ve got nothin.

Yes…or ….No.

Simple.

ebn = ben

Yes or no Nathan?

I’m not convinced Nathan…you continue to have homosexual fantasies.

I’m nobody’s “butt buddie”.

“You treat me with no respect, I treat you with no respect.”

Fair enough, cherry boy.

By the way, why do YOU know so much about South Broadway?

Spend much time and money down there?

I can say this much – I have never had to pay for it – apparently you have.

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BlueJay
Posted June 25, 2008 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

I have been trading shots with you for 3 years Nathan. But since you returned from Iraq, there is a new cruel crude nastiness to you.
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You shouldn’t talk about being cruel J. Ryan Remil aka JR aka Bluejay.

I have no respect for you or your father either there Nathan.

But I don’t have to stoop to the level that you do here.

I am being entirely honest here. I always try to be.

You are fading into irrational Nathan. And as much as I REALLY want to take advantage of that?

I’m not going to.

But you have made your bed here with the other posters. Now you will have to sleep in it. I’ll not attempt to defend you further.

“although Nathan has indicated already he was heterosexual.”

No, he hasn’t.

“Sure he did. He answered right here.”

That could only mean that he is asexual, not heterosexual, or that he is bisexual.

WS Clark,

Why are you so worried about getting AIDS?

You might not be paying for sex, but then again, what does that say about these women who are giving it to you?

No wonder why you test yourself for AIDS.

Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

Decorum and civility is what is owed to the Prices. Their reciprocal obligations – don’t really exist. Read the posts going back to the very beginning of this blog. This essential point is undeniable…

“Why are you so worried about getting AIDS?”

I am not worried in the least about getting HIV/AIDS but I owe it to my female partners to know that I am free and clear before we have sex.

I am not worried, but I am responsible.

And, contrary to your self-righteous opinions, not everyone that contracts HIV/AIDS is promiscuous, cherry boy.

Damn, I must have missed something. When did they put a Do-it-yourself AIDS test kit on the market? Who makes it?

WS Clark,

If you are not worried about getting AIDS… then why would you test yourself?

If you are nor worried about getting it, then why would you worry about having it and giving it to someone else?

BJ,

Like I said BJ. You have no problem dishing it out. Just don’t cry when you get it in return.

Get a clue Blue Jay Remil, Hank Price earned his Navy pension and married his wife. Hank also works for a living as well as keeping up a small farm.

He never bragged about his pension anywhere I read.

Just making crap up as usual James Ryan Remil aka JR aka Bluejay.

Heh HEH!

If James (”Regular”,”Kansas”,”Republican”,Republikhan”,”Eier” “JM” etc, etc) is the best you got for backup?

You ARE up a tree.

Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink
Steven,

Did you and BJ get giddy when you pulled one over on Regular and set him up like you did?

What bravery from you two! Cheers!
**********

That is kind of funny Nathan. I have never in my life received more bullshit from Assholes like you for buying another person lunch.

I have explained my reasons repeatedly as to why I did this. I will not again.

Please graduate from college and quit living off of your stepmother, asshole…

But you may aspire to be like your very sad jerk father. Very Sad… is all I have to say.

Yeah Nathan.

Quit giving Steven grief for me being wary…

because of you.

A lunch was arranged between Steven, the many nic’d poster formerly known as “JM”, and myself.

You invited yourself.

Given your capacity for threatening to bring firearms to social gatherings for purpose of intimidation, I chose not to attend.

But I did want to and DID get a look at your pal “Regular”. This was on my own initiative.

Where were you to get “Regular’s” back there Nathan?

I saw a one on one meeting and drove away.

You didn’t even show.

Steven,

Perhaps if you didn’t lie to people about that lunch you wouldn’t get so much crap.

So tell us again…

If you told BJ to stay away, like BJ claims, why did you tell Regular you didn’t know if BJ would show up?

Regular clearly indicates that you were less than honest with him.

Why?

You never explained yourself. You refused to answer and left the blog in an indignant tantrum wondering why we would dare ask.

Feeling a bit guilty?

Seems like Regular was the better man because he accepted your invitation in the first place.

Now BJ uses his little drive buy and you use your meeting to make fun of him for his appearence.

What big brave men you and your little pal BJ are!

Steven I just can’t imagine that I could have been so wrong about a person as I was about you and Ben. Civilized discourse is impossible on this blog. I feel dirty just signing in lately. I revealed my true identity last night because I am not a deceptive person by nature. Todays discussion reached a new low even for the ususals.

Not one person should be proud of what happened here today but you don’t get off scott free with the deception you pulled on Regular. BJ, Jr or whoever he is deserves no respect. He and WS threathened me months ago to the point that I didn’t post for weeks and made sure after that to reveal no personal info. And you encouraged him to sneak around like a stalker to spy on regular.

We all share the blame for the direction the blog has taken but today’s blame goes to the left starting with Pmom’s attack on Nathan. Don’t take the high road with the right anymore. You forfeited that right.

And for heavens sake tell your poor addled friend Chas to drop the Square peg charade. He is truly an idiot.

Nathaniel,

Your father seems to believe that the late George Carlin was a credible climate scientist. Do you think the same about the late Carlin?

Dennis Avery, an agricultural economist, falsely claimed that climate scientists (who AGREED with AGW) disagreed with AGW.

Nathaniel, would you say that Avery is a more, or less credible climate science source than the late Carlin?

Cosmos,

I’m sorry to tell you.

By your standards, I am going to be unable to have any conversation with you on AGW until you show me your credentials.

Poor little Nathaniel…

He can’t express his opinions, unless he knows the “credentials” of the person asking him simple, obvious questions.

SquarePeg,

IIRC, okobserver (ksgrm) is in the home construction business.

If so, she must must be a genius(sarcasm), because she believes that an 80-year old mansion can get a gold LEED award, just by changing light bulbs, and adding some PV panels.

If what you AGW chicken littles said 6 months ago, that if we don’t act now it will be too late, was true, then what is the point?

We didn’t act 6 months ago. It is too late.

Why bother now?

Nathaniel…

How many peer reviewed papers did the late George Carlin publish on AGW?
Your father copy/pasted his column on ‘Open’.

How many peer reviewed papers has Avery, the agricultural economist, published on AGW?
Nathaniel copy/pasted Avery’s columns as proof that AGW isn’t happening

I’m sorry cosmos, but until you can show me some credentials, your posts about AGW are meaningless.

Good night; Good luck; and God Bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!

Blessings ALL!!

Blessings on the great City of Wichita!!

“BJ, Jr or whoever he is deserves no respect. He and WS threathened me months ago ”

That’s a lie there ksgrm.

I only asked you to post the name of the business where you abuse your employees so that I could boycott it.

And then there is Nathan.

Well, he has made his own rep. here.

I’ve met him.And on several occasions.

I found him dull and little more than a reflection of his own colorless, bigoted, stuck up father and step mother.

Nathaniel,

If someone asked you your opinion on a gun issue, would you refuse to answer until they posted their “credentials” proving that they were a gun expert?

BJ,

Perhaps you are the reason Clarkie worries about AIDS so much?

If I understood this thing correctly, Steven had no idea that BlueJay planned on doing a drive-by while he and James had lunch. Jay, tell me if I am wrong on that.

Chas,

The article has nothing to do with the thread either. Yet you still posted it.

Why? What was your point?

The article is of interest to military issues. This thread is related to military issues. Try again??

Chas,

I’m sorry. Any obsession that I may or may not have with conversion has nothing to do with the topic here.

I will not answer your question.

Well, hell’s bells, Nathan, YOU brought up the conversion yourself!! Nitwit!!

May the night be a safe one,
And may the morning bring new life!

So mote it be!

May the night be a safe one,
And may the morning bring new life!

So mote it be!

Ah, I see that duh Libs are talking about me even though I’m not online until now. They just can’t get enough of me.

Well, what can I say?

DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!

(chortles)

Well, I think I am going to help save the world tonight cosmos.

I’m headed to bed so that I will not attract you to waste your time debating with us meaningless posters about AGW when the debate is over.

Now you can go use this time to actually do something to save the world.

You better get at it too, they said 6 months ago that if we didn’t act now it would be too late.

You are behind!

Never say that I didn’t do my part to help stop AGW!

What you are understanding Nathan is the just a tip of the evil of the world.

These Lib ‘people’ have embraced it, lived it and indeed love their style of living.

They all know that the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ, so they resist it, hoping tomorrow will never come.

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith.

“cosmos_originally” says –

“Christ is very unlikely to consider serial liars like ‘Regular’ “righteous”.”

Maybe.

But Jesus was an ol’ softie, so don’t rule it out.

From what I’ve observed from the self-defined “Christians” and the Christ himself, He’d probably end up loving His enemies and would realize His worst enemies are those who claim to be “Christians.”