Open thread 6/5

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  1. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Dead Voters still Vote! But we don’t need photo ID’s when voting. That would be a violation of dead people’s rights!

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/dead-voters-still-showing-up-on-election-records-puzzling-officials/

    Dead Voters Still Showing Up on Election Records, Puzzling Officials
    by FOXNews.com
    Wednesday, June 4, 2008

    Journalism professor Marcel Dufresne, at the University of Connecticut, led a class investigation into dead voters and said his group of 11 students discovered 8,558 deceased people who were still registered on Connecticut’s voter rolls. They discovered more than 300 of them appeared somehow to have cast ballots after they died.

  2. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Democrat Culture of Corruption Continues

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363364,00.html

    CHICAGO — A prominent fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted Wednesday of fraud and money laundering after a high-profile federal trial provided an unusually detailed glimpse of the pay-to-play politics that has made Illinois infamous.

  3. Apophis
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    ………….more non-”news” from the reich wing.

    Isn’t it about time for the science deniers to start their daily posting of lies?

  4. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    Paging John Murtha. (and all the pant shitters on this forum who swallowed the medias lies about those marines, like Monica swallowed Bill)

    A US military jury has acquitted a marine of charges that he helped cover up the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha in 2005.

    Lt Andrew Grayson had been charged with obstruction of justice and making false statements – charges he denied.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7437032.stm

    Of the 8- 5 had charges dropped. Grayson was the first to go to trial. He refused a plea bargain.

  5. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    more for you pant shitters-

    Of the two cases remaining, only Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich faces charges directly related to the killings. The most serious charges he faces are nine counts of involuntary manslaughter. Curiously, his case has been postponed indefinitely, and was not expected to resume until after both of his military defense attorneys had retired, weakening his defense in a complex case. Late-breaking information from Bruce Kessler of The Democracy Project, who has been covering the Haditha cases in detail, states that Lt. Col. Colby Vokey will delay his retirement again to stay with Wuterich’s defense.

    The third case, against commanding officer Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, is said to be tainted by “unlawful command influence” in charging Chessani according to the judge presiding over the case, suggesting that Chessani is a political scapegoat for higher-ranking officers seeking to appease anti-war politicians. His trial is expected to commence June 17.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/vindication-for-marine-charged-in-haditha-cover-up/

  6. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    When will Hillary throw in the towel?

    Enough already!

    Stop it Hillary, you are killing the Dem Party!

    Heeee Heeee Heeee Heeee

    But Obama won because he spoke Truth to Power!

  7. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Wow, Heckler – thanks a bunchie for that imagery. I’ve been singing “I Enjoy Being a Girl” since I sprang from the womb, and now I can REALLY be proud of bein’ a woman! I guessed I’ve really missed out in life…….

    I gotta respond to something another post-er shat upon us yesterday – after the Filmfan was already home and tucked into beddy-bye (to SLEEP – shame on you for what you were thinking, Heckler).

    Someone (Nathan, I believe) stated that “liberals love the Carr brothers….” Not to be rude, darling, but what thuh muck???????

    The Carr brothers’ bestial crimes were so despicable that I’m forced to abandon my horror of the death penalty in cases like these. Concurrently, I greatly respect the late John Paul II’s passionate proclamations that “every life, no matter how errant, has value.”

    A noble view, certainly. An impossible ideal for this world-weary woman, to be sure.

    I don’t know how old you are, Nathan. But please learn some discernment before it’s too late. Before you’re a bitter old man, propped up in a rest home with nothing but your memories, your lost dreams and your plundered youth upon which to reflect.

  8. Mary_Caruso
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Is it just me, or does the blog seem unusually full of hate filled, vulgar men these days?

  9. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Michael Goldfarb is a neocon blogger at The Weekly Standard and deputy communications director for the McCain campaign and he writes;

    A Message to Ron Paul Supporters
    The Washington Times reports:
    —————————————————————————————
    Ron Paul says the legions of newcomers his presidential campaign brought to the Republican Party are getting the cold shoulder from John McCain and from the party….

    “I don’t think they want them,” Mr. Paul told The Washington Times, adding that indifference doesn’t surprise him because the party’s establishment has deserted traditional conservative principles for big government and foreign intervention.

    “We don’t agree with them,” he says. “We agree with the Old Right, and they’re the New Right, which is ‘The Wrong,’ [because] the New Right has morphed into neoconservative.”
    —————————————————————————————

    Allah beat me to the punch on this, but let me just say to Ron Paul supporters everywhere, and on behalf of the New Right (by which I assume Paul means the Jew Right), get lost.

    There should be plenty of room for the Paulnuts in Obama’s big tent.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/a_message_to_ron_paul_supporte.asp

    This guy has some balls. Shunning 5-25% of the base? Hello president Obama…

  10. Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    FF – that claim that we love the Carr brothers is the typical modus operendi of the Right-wing nutcases. The only thing I could love about the Carr brothers is the thought of trying out my double-noosed rope. Toss it over a tree branch; put one brother in each noose; and let them stare into each others’ eyes as their necks get stretched.

    Like I said – typical of the immature right-wing nutcase idiots.

  11. Phantom
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Sounds like a bunch of bitter old Republicans that know the day of reckoning is coming.

  12. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    DRILL HERE
    DRILL NOW
    PAY LESS

  13. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Lookie, lookie, Bush is doing what we war protestors said he was going to do all along:

    From The Independent UK

    Bush wants 50 military bases, control of Iraqi airspace and legal immunity for all American soldiers and contractors

    By Patrick Cockburn
    Thursday, 5 June 2008

    A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November.

    The terms of the impending deal, details of which have been leaked to The Independent, are likely to have an explosive political effect in Iraq. Iraqi officials fear that the accord, under which US troops would occupy permanent bases, conduct military operations, arrest Iraqis and enjoy immunity from Iraqi law, will destabilise Iraq’s position in the Middle East and lay the basis for unending conflict in their country.

    But the accord also threatens to provoke a political crisis in the US. President Bush wants to push it through by the end of next month so he can declare a military victory and claim his 2003 invasion has been vindicated. But by perpetuating the US presence in Iraq, the long-term settlement would undercut pledges by the Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, to withdraw US troops if he is elected president in November.

    The timing of the agreement would also boost the Republican candidate, John McCain, who has claimed the United States is on the verge of victory in Iraq – a victory that he says Mr Obama would throw away by a premature military withdrawal.

  14. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Remember when the RepubliCONs were b!tching and moaning about Clinton getting us bogged down in . . . . Bosnia?

    “We demand an ‘exit strategy’!”

    Unbelievable.

  15. annie_moose
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Here is an eye witness account from the Haditha incident..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSTySN2cHyM

  16. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Max–

    The names of former voters who have died will remain on voter registration rolls until an election official removes them.

    Duh.

  17. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Not so secret Capn. I posted this the other day. How much oil did Bosnia have? How many contracts did Haliburton hold in Bosnia? Follow the money.

  18. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Good post, Annie.

    The thing is that BushCo. knows full well that if Blackwater Security can be tried for mowing down innocent civilians, they can too.

    And President Bust et al have killed a lot more than Blackwater has . . .

  19. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Also, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

    9/11 happened because we were in the middle east. Now we have ‘The Terrorist Threat’

    Al-qeada was not in Iraq until WE were in Iraq. I would put about 7/10’s of the violence in Iraq due to our presence.

    Conundrum – we can’t leave until the violence stops. The violence will not stop as long as we are there. Ergo, put up bases to help stop the violence. Our bases lead to more violence.

    Haliburton is fat and happy. At some point, American companies take a large percentage of the oil production. All fits nicely doesn’t it?

  20. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Duh.

    And the fact that they are sill voting?

    Duh indeed.

  21. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink
    more for you pant shitters-
    *****

    Good Morning, Mr. Heckler,
    Appreciate your usual charm and civility.
    *****

    Mary_Caruso
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink
    Is it just me, or does the blog seem unusually full of hate filled, vulgar men these days?
    *****
    No, Mary, it is not just you. I think their charming ways are driven by their fear of a humiliating defeat in November. I predict there will be a repudiation of the GOP that we have not seen the likes of since 1964. I think the charmers around here suspect that will happen, too.

  22. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    “Al-qeada was not in Iraq until WE were in Iraq. I would put about 7/10’s of the violence in Iraq due to our presence.”

    You’re on the right track, Sol. But, you are way underestimating our contribution.

  23. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    The Senate Report that Pat Roberts kept bottled up for so long:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/39963.html

    Among the reports conclusions:

    Claims by President Bush that Iraq and al Qaida had a partnership “were not substantiated by the intelligence.”

    The president and vice president misrepresented what was known about Iraq’s chemical weapons capabiliies.

    Rumsfeld misrepresented what the intelligence community knew when he said Iraq’s weapons productions facilities were buried deeply underground.

    Cheney’s claim that the intelligence community had confirmed that lead Sept. 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta had met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 was not true

  24. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    “A US military jury has acquitted a marine of charges that he helped cover up the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha in 2005.”

    In other words; the military coverup continues.

    I sure with I could have a jury of my buddies if I were accused of a crime.

  25. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Steven

    No stevie, my DISGUST is driven by how those Marines have been treated.

    The media got a “tip” 2 MONTHS after the incident. They began an immediate blood dance. Then the Murthas of the world crapped themselves and as much as declared them all guilty, military desk jockies somewhere crapped themselves over the political pressure and determined that they must pay.

    A few pant shitters here went so far as to demand they be turned over to the Iraqi authorities for a “trial”.

    My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.

  26. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    CapnA – if this thing is a treaty shouldn’t it need to be ratified? On the other hand, if is just an agreement by Cheney/Bush can’t a new president simply repudiate it?

  27. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
    “A US military jury has acquitted a marine of charges that he helped cover up the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha in 2005.”

    In other words; the military coverup continues.

    I sure with I could have a jury of my buddies if I were accused of a crime.
    —————————————-
    Yeah Ben, all military personnel must be liars and conspirators.

    Adjust your tinfoil hat Ben, it looks to be a bit crooked today.

  28. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    And in chimes Ben. Weren’t you ready to turn these guys over Ben?

  29. littlejohn
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Just a word of caution for all. Today is shaping up to be a very rough day weatherwise. Very good chance of VERY SEVERE storms and lots of tornadic activity. Be watchful, be safe.

  30. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    Geez, Heckie,
    Couldn’t tell that.

  31. Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Heckler – I advocated a civilian trial here in the US. However, I DID note that under international law they should be subject to the justice system of the country in which the alleged crimes were comitted. So, if we claim that Iraq is a sovereign and indepenedent state then we are caught in a sort of catch-22 – our own claims should indicate that we abide by that international law.

    Let’s turn the question around heckler: should Israel Morales be extradited back to KS for trial? Or should he be tried in Mexico? I want him tried here – where the murder took place.

  32. Phantom
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Bush ignored doubts on Iraq arms: Senate report 37 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President George W. Bush and top administration policy makers ignored doubts among intelligence agencies over Saddam Hussein’s arms programs as they made their case for war with Iraq, a Senate committee reported on Thursday.

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    The Senate Intelligence committee said in a study that major administration statements on Iraq before the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion in most cases were substantiated by available U.S. intelligence, but that they failed to reflect internal debate over those findings.

    It also said that Bush administration statements that Iraq had a partnership with al Qaeda and provided it with weapons training were unsupported by intelligence.

    The Senate study supported previous reports and findings that the administration’s main case for war — that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction — was inaccurate and deeply flawed.

    Many intelligence conclusions that Iraq had or was developing weapons of mass destruction turned out to be inaccurate.

    The report also said cited at least one statement — by then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, that the Iraqi government operated underground weapons of mass destruction facilities — was not backed up by intelligence information.

    Bet Sen. Roberts could have told us that!

  33. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.

  34. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.

  35. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.

  36. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.

  37. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “My level of disgust over this incident goes beyond words.”

    I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.

  38. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Tornadic activity? I’m very frightened of tornadoes, ever since I read an article 40 years ago in LIFE magazine titled “Anatomy of a Tornado.” Are we under a tornado watch – or a warning? If you live on the top floor of an apartment building that ain’t got no basement, I’m not sure where Big Bertha would hide if we actually had a twister.

    On another matter: Can anyone tell me if Wichita has any record stores – or are these relics of a now-ancient past? Trying to locate a record store in this city is a frustrating endeavor. Even HAYS has a record store in the downtown area – and they’ve been in business over 20 years.

    I’m trying to purchase a new copy of a long-lost CD by Cypress Hill called “Till Death Do Us Part.” I normally do not like rap, but this CD was killa. The first song, “Another Body Drops” – set the group far apart from the usual rap sleaze. And ANOTHER song, “What’s Your Number?” was loosely based around the most potent song the Clash ever laid to vinyl, “The Guns of Brixton.” I’ve just GOT to re-purchase this CD – it originally came out in 2004, and I’ve long since lost my copy.

    Yesterday I dragged out the Yellow Pages, called every record store still in Wichita, and no one had it. I even trekked on out to Towne West – and there wasn’t a record store in the whole danged place!

    I’m frustrated, ’cause I don’t wanna have to order from Amazon.com and wait seven days for it to get to my earphones. When I want incendiary music, I want it as quickly as Randall Terry wants his male enhancement products.

    Anyone who’s ever heard “Brixton” – and Cypress Hill’s stunning remake – knows why I’m so impatient. The CD had several other good songs, and of course you’ve got to endure the requisite filth at infrequent times, but I just tuned it out.

    Are record stores a thing of the past? When I lived in L.A. 26 years ago, I remember spending hours at Tower Records on the Sunset Strip, eagerly perusing the vast selection of LPs.

    I don’t even know what an MP3 player is – I’ve never had one. I don’t know how to download music off the ‘net. I guess this singin’ fool is behind the times……..

  39. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Ben

    What’s Morales got to do with it? That’s not even a logical comparison Ben.

    And when have we EVER allowed our active duty soldiers engaged in military operations to be judged by another nations laws. In most cases we might as well execute them ourselves. You don’t think much of the men who fight for this country do you.

    This wasn’t about a druken soilder killing someone in a bar fight. It was a military battle in which the Marines involved followed their rules of engagement to the letter. But if you actually studied the facts of the incident you’d know that. You’d also know that it was set up by the insurgents to look like a massacre. You’d also know that the tipster and the “journalist” who broke the story have a rather dubious history.

    But don’t let the facts cloud the little vision thing you got going on.

  40. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Ben

    What’s Morales got to do with it? That’s not even a logical comparison Ben.

    And when have we EVER allowed our active duty soldiers engaged in military operations to be judged by another nations laws. In most cases we might as well execute them ourselves. You don’t think much of the men who fight for this country do you.

    This wasn’t about a druken soilder killing someone in a bar fight. It was a military battle in which the Marines involved followed their rules of engagement to the letter. But if you actually studied the facts of the incident you’d know that. You’d also know that it was set up by the insurgents to look like a massacre. You’d also know that the tipster and the “journalist” who broke the story have a rather dubious history.

    But don’t let the facts cloud the little vision thing you got going on.

    Oh, one other thing. If you’d studied the facts about the incident you’d also know that 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians didnt die.

  41. Phantom
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Will ‘Maverick Reformer’ Mcbush match tit for tat?
    Let’s not hold our collective breath!
    DNC will no longer take lobbyist, PAC money By NEDRA PICKLER and JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writers
    1 hour, 1 minute ago

    NEW YORK – In his first order of business as his party’s presumed presidential nominee, Barack Obama is instructing the Democratic National Committee to adopt his policy against accepting donations from federal lobbyists or political action committees.

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    The change will make the party and the candidate have a consistent position. Obama often says banning the donations is one way to help keep him free of the influence of Washington insiders.

    An Obama spokesman announced the change Thursday as the candidate prepared to fly from New York, where he had been raising money, to campaign in Virginia.

    Obama himself planned to discuss the change at a town hall meeting in Bristol, Virginia.

    The move indicates Obama will argue Republican rival John McCain is under the influence of special interests because of his advisers’ lobbying ties.

    McCain’s senior advisers are former lobbyists, and McCain was stung last month by the disclosure that two advisers worked for a firm that had represented Myanmar’s military junta, which has restricted foreign assistance for cyclone victims.

    The Arizona senator instituted a new lobbying policy that says no campaign staffer can be a registered lobbyist, resulting in three more departures from his campaign, including a top fundraiser, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler.

    Obama’s ban on lobbyists money is not ironclad. He does accept money from lobbyists who do not do business with the federal government and he also accepts money from spouses and family members of lobbyists. He has had unpaid advisers with federal lobbying clients, and some campaign officials also previously had lobbying jobs.

    Obama strategist Paul Tewes, who ran the Illinois senator’s successful Iowa campaign, is taking over the DNC and was at party headquarters Thursday meeting the staff.

    The new policy will eliminate one source of contributions to the DNC, which has significantly trailed its Republican counterpart in fundraising. So far this election cycle, the DNC has raised $77.6 million and had $4.4 million cash on had at the end of April. The RNC, however, had raised nearly twice as much and had $40.6 in the bank.

    The Democratic National Committee received more than $3 million in PAC contributions in this election cycle — a period covering all of 2007 and so far this year, according to its latest report with the Federal Election Commission.

    Both parties also rely on lobbyists for money, but their biggest sources of money tend to be donors in the securities and investment industries or in real estate. The DNC raised more than $3 million so far this election cycle from lawyers and lobbyists, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. That was the narrowest category analyzed, meaning much of that money did not come from federally registered lobbyists.

    The Republican National Committee raised $1.1 million this election cycle from lawyers and lobbyists, according to the center.

    While the DNC has been the least successful fundraising operation in the Democratic Party, its takeover by the Obama camp means it will likely see a dramatic jump in fundraising. Obama has been the leader in the presidential money race, raising a record $264 million.

    DNC Chairman Howard Dean set up a joint fundraising committee earlier to amass money for the eventual nominee. Acceding to Obama’s wishes, that committee already was not accepting money from federal lobbyists.

  42. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    bth

    Sorry about the double post, browsers doing funny stuff.

    “I susepct the surviving relatives of the 24 dead civilians feel similarly. Too bad you don’t give a shit about them.”

    Waste your smuggness on someone else Ben. You’re just sounding silly. If you’d studied the FACTS about the incident you’d also know that 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians werent killed by US troops.

  43. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Heckler – Morales is an extradition case. The question of whether a person is tried in his home country or the country where the incident occurred.

    From your link:

    “But Iraqi witnesses said the US troops shot dead five unarmed men when they approached the scene of the bombing in a car.

    The troops were then accused going to nearby houses and killing 19 other civilians”

    19+5 = 24. All civilians according to our ally. All dead. I think that makes 24 dead civilians. Of course, since they are Iraqis they don’t matter.

  44. Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    heckler – boy, you are right about the browsers or whatever and multiple posts!

  45. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    And when have we EVER allowed our active duty soldiers engaged in military operations to be judged by another nations laws

    Saw it in Korea first hand.

  46. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Is it just me, or does the blog seem unusually full of hate filled, vulgar men these days?

    It’s not you, Mary. It’s the hate filled, vulgar men…

  47. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Yeah Ben, when it’s someone else’s neck, you are more than willing to give up the rights of military people aren’t you?

    Throw out constitutional law so you can satisfy your Liberal blood lust because of your hatred of the military?

    So Ben, what is it about Constitutional rights that you don’t think military personnel should get?

    Should have just let the Iraqi’s hang them without a trial right Ben? I mean, your buddy Congressman Murtha had them tried and convicted before any trial.

    You’re liking lynch parties Ben?

  48. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Regular,

    Can you please cut and paste from the constitution where any American citizen that commits a crime against foreign persons on foreign soil should not be held accountable by that foreign nation?

  49. Heckler
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Ben

    And you believe the “witness” who came forth 2 Months after the fact?

    Study the case Ben. Tell me what was seen on the film from the Predator drone that flew over the battle field that day. The footage that military brass at some level didnt want introduced in the case. It tells exactly what happened that day.

    I’ll wait.

    And you really need to get over that “Appocolypse Now” “Platoon” “Full Metal Jacket” view of our troops as a bunch of thugs. It’s crap.

  50. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    Nathan is our resident Marine. Marine Reservist, actually. He spent one tour in Iraq last year. He’s in his twenties. Mid-twenties? I forget. You’re a perceptive person. I’ll let you figure out the rest on your own.

    On the tornado thing, we’re under neither a watch nor a warning at present, just a notice to keep an eye to the sky. If possible, keep a radio on this afternoon. They’re saying the conditions are ripe for some really bad stuff and comparing it to June 8, 1974. I’ll be darned if I can remember what happened then, but it was obviously NOT good.

    Take care, stay safe.

  51. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
    Regular,

    Can you please cut and paste from the constitution where any American citizen that commits a crime against foreign persons on foreign soil should not be held accountable by that foreign nation?
    =======================
    Here’s a thorough article on the UCMJ Sol. You do remember that from the military don’t you Sol?

    Or do all Army peeps fall asleep during their annual UCMJ briefing?

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ICK/is_3_14/ai_68507686

  52. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Irregular – I am simply noting what is standard practice. Actually I did not advocate doing that with our miliatry personnel. However, I DID advocate following that law in regards to US CIVILIANS who are accused of crimes in another sovereign country. Just as I would be so extradited if so accused.

    And as for “your hatred of the military?” that is simply more of your irrational LIES. Tell me Irregular – why are you such a pathological liar? Is that from listening to far-right talk radio too much or were you born a pathological liar?

  53. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Predestined! I actually remember 6/8/1974! I was not yet sixteen, living in Hays, and my (paternal) grandmother was bestowing upon us a mercifully rare visit. She, my mother and I spent the entire evening huddled in our little half-basement, a horrid, unfinished, dirty little hovel that required our presence because of several tornado warnings.

    Luckily, the twisters didn’t touch down in Hays that evening, but I wasn’t cognizant of what happened in Wichita.

    I guess my grandmommy’s presence was more scary than the tornado. A mean, mannish woman – she had befouled my father’s funeral by asking how old our wonderful little tabby cat was, and when I answered, “Eight,” – she glared at me and said, “Well…..he doesn’t have long to live, does he?”

    This was at a funeral, no less……..

    My precious little round-faced feline lived for eight more years. I never saw Grandma in person again after that June evening 34 years ago. But that’s OK. I never saw Tim Curry in “Rocky Horror Picture Show” either……….

  54. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    June 8, 1974 and the potential Weather for today because of very similar conditions.

    For so late in the season and so far south, an amazing tornado outbreak occurred in Oklahoma and Kansas on June 8, 1974. The City of Oklahoma City was struck by tornadoes five times that day – the world record for number of tornado strikes affecting a single city in 24 hours. F3 or greater intensity tornadoes occurred from Oklahoma City northeast through Tulsa and as far north as Emporia where an F4 killed six.

    Original NAFAX charts received at WKY TV (where I was working, NBC in OKC) out of storage to create this email. Because of the potential similarities between June 8, 1974 and June 5, 2008, I am posting this information in hopes that it helps the meteorological community handle what might be a major tornado situation so that we all serve the public and our clients to the best of our scientific ability. Mike Smith

    http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?p=181564

  55. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    So can you cut and paste the part that covers the occupied country not being able to prosecute for crimes committed?

    And the UCMJ is not covered in the constitution.

    So the soldier tried in Korea for rape, that didn’t happen? He was tried and convicted by the Korean courts.

    “allowing the south Korean court jurisdiction over crimes committed by US soldiers”

  56. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
    Irregular – I am simply noting what is standard practice. Actually I did not advocate doing that with our miliatry personnel. However, I DID advocate following that law in regards to US CIVILIANS who are accused of crimes in another sovereign country. Just as I would be so extradited if so accused.

    And as for “your hatred of the military?” that is simply more of your irrational LIES. Tell me Irregular – why are you such a pathological liar? Is that from listening to far-right talk radio too much or were you born a pathological liar?
    ————————–
    Okay Ben, then I’ll just acknowledge your ignorance on how soldiers, sailors and airmen are treated judicially under the articles of war when it comes to trials.

  57. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink
    So can you cut and paste the part that covers the occupied country not being able to prosecute for crimes committed?

    And the UCMJ is not covered in the constitution.

    So the soldier tried in Korea for rape, that didn’t happen? He was tried and convicted by the Korean courts.

    “allowing the south Korean court jurisdiction over crimes committed by US soldiers”
    ———————-
    You really did sleep through your UCMJ briefings while you were in the Army didn’t ya Sol?

    Yes, convictions in countries by civilian authorities where there are no conflicts going on is common place.

    What part of combat as it concerns the UCMJ are you not understanding Sol?

    I didn’t realize this was going to be a remedial training session for ex-Army troops needing re-indoctrination on the Articles of War and how military personnel are handled in legal affairs when armed conflict is going on.

    Perhaps if Vaughn Tolle was around, he could explain it better. He worked in the JAG office for the Air Force.

    You do remember what JAG did don’t ya Sol?

  58. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    FilmFan,
    I don’t know if you got and answer to your question about record stores.
    “I’m frustrated, ’cause I don’t wanna have to order from Amazon.com and wait seven days for it to get to my earphones. When I want incendiary music, I want it as quickly as Randall Terry wants his male enhancement products.”

    I seriously doubt anyone would stock that for lack of interest, it that tells you anything, but you can order it from Barnes & Noble or Border’s bookstores. It doesn’t take long.
    You might also see if they have a self-help book or CD on learning to accept delayed gratification. That characteristic of maturity comes in quite valuable in many areas of ones life.

  59. writerdog
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    One of those stories that makes you shout “Get a rope!”, a Police officer pulls over a car driving erratically.
    He get to the driver’s window to discover a woman who has been convicted numerous time for DUI.
    Drunk and HAS HER ONE YEAR OLD STEERING THE CAR! along with her eight y.o. and five y.o. in the back seat. Her excuse was she had to run a couple of DVDs down a few blocks and thought it would be fun for the baby to steer!

  60. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    “Even HAYS has a record store in the downtown area – and they’ve been in business over 20 years.”

    Bad news FF. It’s been closed at least two years, maybe longer.

  61. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    And, as noted irregular, I did not advocate turning our military over. Only civilians charged with such offenses. Just as I would be turned over if I went to a foreign country and killed someone.

    Sol – why do you hate the military?

  62. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Nice letter today Dog! Is that a song in the making?

  63. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    I never saw Tim Curry in “Rocky Horror Picture Show” either……….

    Good grief! Go rent the movie and SEE IT!

    Okay, I’ll amend that comment. The first half is worth watching. The second half? Not so much. Once Meatloaf arrives on his motorcycle, it goes downhill for me. But Tim is magnificent as Dr. Frankenfurter, as he always is. And those LIPS!!! That was all I needed to see in Legend to know who it was.

  64. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Grrl:

    How unfortunate! I didn’t know Gary and Becky’s record store was closed! I wonder what they’re doing now. (Becky was the former Becky Rohr – I attended dance classes with her back in the mid-1960s.) She was a marvelous dancer and I believe she still teaches dance in the Hays area.

    What is happening to the music industry? It’s harder to find a record store these days than it is to find a white supremacist in Rev. Wright’s undergarments!

  65. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    P-destined: But you wouldn’t have wanted to see my paternal grandmommy. Think Roseanne Barr at the Super Bowl……..think Lorena Bobbitt with shoulder pads, a real deep voice, and a sharper knife to boot. To see her and my paternal grandpappy together in the same room could have caused me to 1) have a sex-change operation; and 2) join the Promise Keepers as their mascot.

    So, any tornado we be likely to get today couldn’t possibly be as scary……………………………………

  66. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    I think they took their vast inventory and are selling it on the internet. At least that is what they intended to do.

    Their building was taken over by the fundy church next door.

  67. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Regular,

    Thanks for the post on the similar weather conditions. I’d read some about it and decided it was definitely time to get that weather alert radio, after thinking about it for a long time. It’s now sitting in my bedroom. Daytime storms aren’t a big deal. It’s the ones at night that scare me more. I can’t SEE anything! I slept through the storm last Saturday morning, while my son-in-law’s car was getting hammered by golf ball sized hail.

    FilmFan, I can see why you remember June 8, 1974 so well! It may have been one of many where I stood by the big picture window and watched the southwest sky, radios turned on in every room to keep updated on what was happening.

    I heard the Udall tornado or a tornado spawned from the same storm when I was a little kid. I’ve never forgotten the sounds, and we weren’t all that close to it coming up U.S. 81 (Broadway) from the south of Wichita.

    I respect Mother Nature and especially tornadoes.

  68. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Wichi, you would have LOVED that store! They had some great vintage blues artists on vinyl.

  69. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Well there Ben, let me give you a couple of scenarios.

    Let’s put the scenarios in 2005 Iraq.

    A U.S. Army mortar crew has been ordered to attack an Al Qaeda position. Unknown to them, the Al Qaeda outpost has been placed on a thousand year old ‘herding’ trail. A shepherd walks by with his family and herd of sheep. They are all killed by the U.S. Army mortar men pre-planned launch when the attack is prosecuted.

    another scenario:

    A U.S. Marine tank weighing in at about 60 tons is rumbling down the road to an objective ordered by their commander. Without warning an Iraqi van with insurgents pulls in front of them and starts attacking the tank. The Marine tank gunner opens up with a 50 calibur and sprays the van with bullets. Behind the van sets a small outdoor cafe. The Iraqi civilians sitting at the cafe drinking their teas are all killed or wounded.

    Now, according to you Ben and Sol, these military people should be prosecuted in a civilian court in Iraq. Er wait…there were no working courts in Iraq in 2005 and certainly no appeal process. The military men and women were acting under orders in a combat zone.

    How far should the arrest and confinement by civilian government of Iraq go? To their commanding officer? To his commanding officer and all the way up the chain of command to the POTUS?
    (I’m sure you would like that wouldn’t you Ben)

    If this were the case that military members should be tried by civilian authorities during times of conflict, then no one would ever enter the military because of the fear they would be held at the mercy of local courts and customs.

    Turkey has some very archaic laws when it comes to imprisonment and juris prudence. You do not want to be arrested in Turkey ever! Military members are briefed about it and exercise due caution. However, we are not in an armed conflict in Turkey, so their civilian laws apply. Most acts of violation committed by military members in Turkey would be of non-combatant status, so it is fair that Turkey could try them.

    However, when a military member is in combat status, all bets are off. Combat is a very unique situation, boundaries are fuzzy and the fog of war is very confusing.

    We simply must not and should not leave our military out hanging in legal no man’s land when they are in combat.

    To do so, would mean the end of any military and thusly the defense of the United States.

  70. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    On records…

    Isn’t Yesterday’s still open in Wichita?

  71. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    oops! Most of the state of Kansas is now under a Tornado Watch until 8 p.m. tonight.

  72. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    I’ll admit my mistake. I thought we were talking about Blackwater. My bad. My mistake. I was wrong.

  73. WSClark
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Not that I am a big fan of big box stores, but Best Buy has a decent catalog and can get most anything you want (on CD) if you order it.

    Also, some of the used CD stores have a pretty good selection.

    I used to have some 500 CD’s – lost ‘em to a thief.

  74. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    The best “record store” (how old are we!) in the world is Waterloo Records in Austin. It, along with Bookpeople, spawned a whole movement called Keep Austin Weird. KAW promotes shopping at unique, locally owned stores to preserve the character of Austin.

    It’s the “anti chain” movement.

    Google “Keep Austin Weird”. In fact, there is a documentary on it!

  75. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    And if you’ve never listened to Toni Price at Waterloo Ice House or the Continental Club, well, you havent lived. And you’re too late. She’s relocated to Memphis and has a new “album” heheheh out called Talk Memphis!

  76. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    I still have crates from “Peaches” in Wichita.

    I guess it’s long gone too!

  77. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Clark, I’m sad for you :(

    I had almost a thousand vinyl albums I kept stored at my Mom’s house for climate control purposes. And then she had a flood in the basement and by the time I got to them, they were moldy and destroyed.

    Irreplaceable.

  78. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Blackwater is a different case. Have no idea where that should fall. The Blackwater folks were not Department of Defense contractors, but State Department contractors hired for security.

    I would think that falls under some sort of agreement between Iraq and the U.S. concerning status of State Department employees, i.e. immunity laws.

    Personally, I think diplomatic immunity is kind of stinky. However, I can see where it is necessary under certain circumstances.

    Example, a Marine guard in Saudi Arabia has blisters on his feet and decides to take a mid morning foot bath to alleviate some suffering. Some children walk by with their parents. In jest, the Marine holds his feet up and shows the bottom of his feet to the children to show his blisters.

    That’s a big no no in Muslim countries. Showing the bottom of your feet is considered an insult and punishable by local law. The Marine most likely did not know this or if he did, forgot and was trying to explain why he was barefooted.

    Should the Marine be released by the Embassy and prosecuted, sent to prison and given back lashes by the Saudi Arabian government?

    Or should the Marine be sent for a courts martial or non-judicial punishment (Article 15) for conduct unbecoming a marine. i.e. (one does not wash their feet while on duty in public.)

  79. TomPaine
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Theirs a new store in the Delano district that sells old records, would imagine someone at the village flea market sells them too. as for why their aren’t record stores, or at least very few, could be they haven’t made records for 20 years, cassette tapes are all but extinct too.

  80. Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Irregular – and, as you would note if you knew how to read – I only advocated extradition for CIVILIANS – as did Sol.

  81. WSClark
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “Clark, I’m sad for you.”

    My second ex got custody of my vinyl when I divorced her – she promised to bring them back “one day.”

    Never happened.

    I had original Sgt. Pepper’s, many Beatles, Stones, Hendrix plus a bunch of Detroit rock bands that never hit it nationally. I also had pre-Night Moves Seger, when he was just a regional act in Detroit in the Sixties.

    The good old days……………………….

  82. WSClark
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Funny, some times when I am having my alone time, late at night, I’ll blog here on one window and YouTube on the other. I’ll punch in an old band and song and “Presto!” through the magic of YouTube, there it is – stuff I hadn’t heard in forty years.

  83. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink
    Irregular – and, as you would note if you knew how to read – I only advocated extradition for CIVILIANS – as did Sol.
    ———————————————-
    00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    Yeah, sure ya did Ben, read what you wrote below.
    00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
    ———————————————-
    bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
    “A US military jury has acquitted a marine of charges that he helped cover up the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha in 2005.”

    In other words; the military coverup continues.

    I sure with I could have a jury of my buddies if I were accused of a crime.

  84. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    After I went on active duty, my dear mother had a moment of inspired ‘house cleaning’ and sold all my record collection to lighten the load on their move to Chicago.

    I had many albums, including old 77s of Rudy Valee, Glen Miller, Benny Goodman(big band music); in 45s I had many 1950s and 1960s bands to many to mention here and lots of albums including all of the Beatles albums, The Cream, The Ventures, CCR, Iron Butterfly, Country Joe and the Fish, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, etc. etc.

  85. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    WS,

    You defnitely need to get Pandora on your computer. You won’t need 2 windows open, and you can choose your music, making up your own “radio stations”. Easy to use and FREE!

    http://pandora.com

    I have lots of vinyl, but nothing to play them on. :( Anybody know where I can get a needle/cartridge for a Technics Direct Drive turntable? I know they aren’t horribly expensive, because I replaced it once, several years ago. I just don’t know here to go to get one now. Turntables are so not “in” anymore. Once I get it running, I’ll rip to CD.

  86. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan — Re: Old Records —

    There used to be a bookstore, et al, called Rectors Book Store… Downtown….

    And then, on W. Douglas… maybe in Delano District — used to be Old Al’s Books… Old Al’s had everything from old books, to old magazines, to old comic books, to old records… IF its still there, that might be a good start!!… Also, as mentioned above, place called Yesterday’s…. :-)

    Good luck hunting!!

  87. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see, 300 dead people voting and it’s a non-news story? Certainly an indication that voter fraud is likely taking place and is not a difficult crime to commit.

    What I don’t understand is how the government officials just cite it as a clerical error and think that there was no voter fraud. Was there a formal investigation by law enforcement officials? Not likely.

    I wonder if the dead voters cast there ballots to keep the status quo. . .

  88. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Regular, I’ve got a bunch of old 33’s of those big bands. We’re putting them in a garage sale this summer. Want me to give you a heads-up?

    Anybody else? There’s some good classical sets, too. 40’s and some early 50’s, before rock & roll hit.

  89. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Rectors closed a few years ago.

    Al’s is farther west on Douglas, past Seneca and closer to Vine. North side of the street.

  90. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Irregular “9:37 am” – which is consistetn with my statement that their trial should be moved from the military courts to the civilian courts.

  91. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
    Regular, I’ve got a bunch of old 33’s of those big bands. We’re putting them in a garage sale this summer. Want me to give you a heads-up?

    Anybody else? There’s some good classical sets, too. 40’s and some early 50’s, before rock & roll hit.
    ————————
    Thanks for the heads up!

    However, I’ve gone totally digital now with CD and DVD. The quality is much better and the storage problem less significant.

  92. gster
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Pre- Go on the web for your cartridge/stylus. I had no problem finding the drive belts for the Teac deck I bought in Nam- every thing’s out there.

  93. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
    Irregular “9:37 am” – which is consistetn with my statement that their trial should be moved from the military courts to the civilian courts.
    ——————————–
    Sure thang Ben (wink,wink)

    (insert weasel words here)

  94. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Thanks PreD… didnt know about Rectors!! But I thought I had seen Al’s a few times out on W. Douglas… but couldnt remember where… stay safe!! :-)

  95. Regular
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    gster
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
    Pre- Go on the web for your cartridge/stylus. I had no problem finding the drive belts for the Teac deck I bought in Nam- every thing’s out there.
    ————————-
    heh heh, I bought a Teac reel to reel back then.
    What a monster and obnoxious piece of equipment.

    Almost bought some Bose speakers, but settled for Pioneer. Bose were still expensive back then too.

  96. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Looks like we have our tornado warnings …

    Kansas – where Twister is not just a party game.

  97. FilmFan
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, everyone, for the suggestions. However…………………….

    I JUST WENT TO AMAZON.COM AND LISTENED TO 30-SECOND SOUND BYTES OF CYPRESS HILL’S “TILL DEATH DO US PART” CD! I WANT THAT CD! I WANT IT NOW! THIS CHICK IS KNOWN FOR HER PATIENCE – BUT THIS AIN’T ONE OF THOSE TIMES!

    Suffice it to say I couldn’t keep still – or silent – or stand it. Luckily, it was during my lunch break and there was no one around – or so I thought. I was hummin’ (softly) along to the title song, and one of my colleagues marched up to me and said, “WHY AREN’T YOU IN MUSIC????”

    I appreciated the compliment, but it and similar kudos just reinforce how I’ve languished my life away, or life has simply passed Big Bertha bye-bye, so……………..

    THAT’S ANOTHER KICKIN’ REASON WHY I WANT THAT CD IN MY OPEN PALMS RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE!!!!!!! This is one great CD. Before its release, Cypress Hill was just one more dope-smoking, profanity-spewing rap act whose lead singer, B-Real, gained (brief) fame for cornucopic coupling with Carmen Elektra on Howard Stern’s E! show in 1998.

    But this CD stirred my soul. For one thing, I love reggae-influenced music, and “What’s Your Name?” – derived as it was from The Clash’s “Guns of Brixton” – just riveted me.

    Please, if anyone knows anyone with a copy of this CD, please let me know. Otherwise, I’m gonna have to order it from Amazon – and this chick is burning with impatience right about now…..

  98. Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Hang in there Film Fan!! You go girl!!

  99. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Judge OKs Blackwater Facility at US-Mexican Border

    The private military contractor Blackwater is expected to begin holding training sessions today at a new facility in San Diego, California, just blocks from the Mexico border. On Wednesday, a federal judge ruled Blackwater could open its new 61,000-square-foot center, despite attempts by San Diego officials to stall the plan. Blackwater has been accused of secretly setting up the border facility by applying for city permits under the names of affiliated companies.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/5/headlines

    Now we’ll have these a$$holes in our own backyard.

  100. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Ex-Sandinista Elected President UN General Assembly

    The former foreign minister of Nicaragua’s Sandinista government has been elected president of the United Nations General Assembly. The Rev. Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann is a longtime critic of the United States. In his inaugural address at the UN, Brockman condemned the “scourge of war among member states and acts of aggression such as those occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    Cancel the last check we wrote them, invite them to the our soil; ten min. ago, pack our little bags, and come play in our own sandbox.

  101. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Ex-Bush Health Official Wins $11 Million 9/11 Workers Contract

    The Centers for Disease Control has awarded an $11 million contract to a company headed by a former Bush cabinet official to track the health of thousands of workers who worked at Ground Zero following the 9/11 attacks. The company, Logistics Health, is headed by former secretary of health and human services Tommy Thompson. Thompson has previously been criticized for largely ignoring the health risks facing Ground Zero workers. Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney said, “It is ironic that former HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson’s firm won the contract to provide the services, given the history of delay from the Bush administration when he was secretary and now.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/5/headlines

    Nuff said?

  102. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:42 am
    “I think they took their vast inventory and are selling it on the internet. At least that is what they intended to do.
    Their building was taken over by the fundy church next door.”

    A good example of what lasts, (the fundy church), and what doesn’t.
    Hate to see a old record store go out of business though. Those old LPs and CDs are getting hard to come by. I foolishly sold all my LPs and went entirely to CDs when my turntable went down and I found out what it would take to get it spinning again along with a new cartridge. Hindsight….

  103. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey and Iran have been carrying out coordinated strikes against Kurdish rebels based in northern Iraq, a top general said Thursday in the first military confirmation of Iranian-Turkish cooperation in the fight against separatists there.

    Gen. Ilker Basbug, Turkey’s land forces commander, said the two countries have been sharing intelligence and planned more coordinated attacks in the future against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, and PEJAK, the group’s Iranian wing.

    “We are sharing intelligence with Iran, we are talking, we are coordinating,” CNN-Turk television quoted Basbug as telling reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in Istanbul.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363413,00.html

    Rock on. Glad it is sooooo much better over there

    BTW, how much money did we give Turkey this year?

  104. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    WASHINGTON — Pentagon officials in late 2001 and 2002 concealed from the CIA and other intelligence agencies potentially useful information gleaned from Iranian agents, said a Senate report released Thursday.

    The Iranians told Pentagon employees about a tunnel complex in Iran used to store weapons and move its personnel covertly out of the country, likely into Afghanistan in the post 9/11 war period, according to the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    The Iranians also told of a long-standing relationship with the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and the growth of anti-regime sentiment inside Iran, it said.

    The new report adds more details to the storied mistrust and lack of cooperation by Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with the CIA in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363467,00.html

  105. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is not trying to set up permanent military bases in Iraq, even surreptitiously, the diplomat leading tense talks with Iraq said Thursday.

    U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker rejected the notion that the legal and military agreements he wants this year are blueprints for an everlasting American military presence inside Iraq.

    “It is not going to be forever,” he told reporters at the State Department.

    Crocker addressed suspicions, including among many Iraqis, that the Bush administration is trying to wrap up deals for an indefinite military presence in Iraq that the next U.S. president could not undo.

    “There isn’t going to be an agreement that infringes on Iraqi sovereignty,” and the military agreement will have a provision for periodic review and renewal, as do similar agreements with other countries, Crocker said.

    The deals would establish a long-term security relationship between Iraq and the United States, and a legal basis to keep U.S. troops in Iraq after the U.N. mandate expires at the end of the year.

    Negotiations are intense, particularly over the longevity of military bases, control of Iraqi airspace and the legal status of civilian contractors such as the Blackwater security guards involved in a deadly confrontation that killed 17 Iraqi civilians last September.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363465,00.html

    Mmmmm Hmmmm

  106. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Kansas – where Twister is not just a party game.

    The perfect motto, Ben! They should pay you for that. :)

  107. djr4488
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Predestined,

    I don’t know of anyplace in Wichita that does sell them, however online I did find the following link:

    http://www.gemm.com/c/search.pl?currency=US&seller=NEEDLEFINDER&filt_section_ignore=1&disp_ad_format_mode=0&field=ARTIST+OR+TITLE&wild=panasonic+turntable+needle&S=Search

    I’m not certain if this is what you are looking for or not.

  108. djr4488
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    All,

    Predestined mentioned Pandora above. Yes, for online music Pandora is pretty difficult to beat. I use that at work all the time.

  109. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    Is it a full CD you’re looking at or one song? I’d be more than happy to download it for you from Amazon and burn it to a CD. That is, if it’s available with Pepsi points. I’ve downloaded a ton of music and have enough points right now for over 20 songs.

    Let me go check the title and artist, and I’ll get back to you here on it.

  110. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Ah, thank you, djr4488! I’ll definitely check it out. I did some searching a few months ago, but my head was spinning. I appreciate the link!

    Yes, yes on Pandora!! I haven’t listened for a couple of months. Been dowloading all that free music from Amazon. ;) But I truly love it! I’ve found new artists that I never heard before, such as Livingston Taylor who sounds almost exactly like his brother.

  111. djr4488
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Predestined,

    You are welcome.

  112. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Foreclosure Possible for Ed McMahon

    Compiled by FELICIA R. LEE

    Published: June 5, 2008

    Ed McMahon, below, Johnny Carson’s former sidekick on “The Tonight Show” and the former host of “Star Search,” is said to face foreclosure on his multimillion-dollar Beverly Hills house, above, because he is $644,000 behind in payments. The Associated Press reported that Mr. McMahon had fallen behind in payments on $4.8 million in mortgage loans. A unit of the Countrywide Financial Corporation filed a default notice on Feb. 28 with the Los Angeles County Recorder’s Office, The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday. Beyond his decades of work with Carson, Mr. McMahon, 85, has also been a spokesman for the American Family Publishers’ sweepstakes. But Howard Bragman, his spokesman, said Mr. McMahon had not been able to work as a spokesman for various products since he broke his neck 18 months ago. He added that Mr. McMahon had been in “very fruitful discussions” with the lender to resolve the situation. It is unclear whether Mr. McMahon and his wife, Pamela, will remain in the six-bedroom, five-bathroom house, in a hilltop gated community overlooking Mulholland Drive. It is listed for sale at $6.25 million and has been on the market for two years, said a real estate agent, Alex Davis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/arts/05arts-FORECLOSUREP_BRF.html?ref=arts

  113. Posted June 5, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Sol – thanks for the upadtes. You definitely watch the news well.

  114. Nathaniel
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    FlimFan,

    I said nothing about the liberals loving the Carr brothers yesterday.

    Before you go off on a 2 paragraph lecture, you might want to figure out who to address next time.

  115. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    No worries Ben. Hardley ever get comment. Didn’t know anyone read them.

  116. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    HEY, that logo was mine :P

  117. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Lacker Says Fed Loans to Wall Street Risk More Crises

    June 5 (Bloomberg) — Richmond Federal Reserve Bank President Jeffrey Lacker said the lending to securities firms that the central bank introduced in March may lay the seeds of further financial crises.

    “The danger is that the effect of the recent credit extension on the incentives of financial-market participants might induce greater risk taking,” Lacker said in a speech to the European Economics and Financial Centre in London. That “in turn could give rise to more frequent crises,” he said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeBFOf_7tKPs&refer=home

    What a SHOCKER !!!! OK, my guy was far and away the economist of the whole lot. I already know the McCain is “Not too good on the economy, but I did buy Greenspan’s book”. So, does anyone know how Obama is dealing with the economy?

  118. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    RUN HIDE KFG!

  119. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Nevermind, looks like I get to run and hide too!

  120. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Senate action on climate bill seems doomed

    By H. JOSEF HEBERT – 2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate bill to cut greenhouse gases and address global warming is heading toward almost certain defeat after nearly a week of stalemate and partisan bickering. Each side accuses the other of obstruction, trickery and political games.

    As a result, it will be up to the next Congress and President Bush’s successor to deal with this most important environmental issue. Both presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, have promised to pursue mandatory pollution reductions to reduce the risk of climate change.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNv-MFtVtkVdwOvTJ3iV7jq7VIPgD9142K1O0

    And I just bought all those carbon credits…

  121. Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Sol – the whole thing about “too big to fail” …

    Reminds me of an old saying: “You owe the bank 10 quid and they own you. You owe the bank a million quid and you own the bank”

  122. Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    p-mama – if you are here in Wichita I think we have a few hours yet …

  123. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Veepstakes: Pawlenty Aims to Raise Profile Within GOP

    Publicly, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) demurs when asked about his interest in serving as John McCain’s running-mate. Privately, however, Pawlenty is doing all the right things to make sure he keeps his name in the mix as spring turns to summer.

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty addresses delegates at the Republican state convention May 31 in Rochester, Minn. (AP Photo via Star Tribune)Last week, Pawlenty traveled to North Carolina to raise money for two congressmen — Reps. Robin Hayes and Patrick McHenry.

    Yesterday, Pawlenty keynoted a Republican Governors Association event in Atlanta — one of six GOP governors speaking to a group of well-heeled donors that included the CEOs of UPS, Siemens and Southern Company. His topic was how the party can “pursue environmentally responsible ways to grow business,” according to one attendee. The event collected more than $700,000 for the RGA.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/pawlenty_positions_for_veep.html?hpid=topnews

  124. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Lieberman leads new pro-McCain group
    Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor June 5, 2008 03:19 PM
    Former Democrat Joe Lieberman today launched a new bipartisan grassroots group to build support for presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

    In the solicitation for “Citizens for McCain,” Lieberman, now an independent US senator from Connecticut, notes that he caucuses with Democrats in the Senate and was the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000.

    “But first and foremost, I am an American,” writes Lieberman, who has been one of McCain’s most active surrogates. “I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain’s character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President.”

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/06/lieberman_leads.html

    Will y’all PLEASE take this guy back???

  125. SolDevVB
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Obama Confronts Lieberman On McCain Advocacy, Tone, on Senate Floor
    June 05, 2008 11:27 AM

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, the self-described “Independent Democrat” who caucuses with the Democratic party in the Senate even though he has endorsed Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, got some tough talk from Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, yesterday about his advocacy for the presumptive Republican presidential candidate and the general tone of the campaign, Democratic sources tell ABC News.

    Returning to the Senate after his securing the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama and Lieberman greeted each on the Senate floor in the Well as they were voting on the budget resolution.

    They shook hands. But Obama didn’t let go, leading Lieberman – cordially – by the hand across the room into a corner on the Democratic side, where Democratic sources tell ABC News he delivered some tough words for the junior senator from Connecticut, who had just minutes before hammered Obama’s speech before the pro-Israel group AIPAC in a conference call arranged by the McCain campaign.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-confronts.html

    Oh, whoops, guess y’all are trying…

  126. KansasNative
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Judas by any other name…is still Judas.

  127. Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    AUNTI EM! AUNTI EM! UNCLE HENRY! UNCLE HENRY!

    shit…

    There’s no place like home… there’s no place like home…….

    YIKES!

  128. Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    heheheheheheh!

    Ok, I admit… I was napping…

    And BOOM!

    We must have had 60-70 mph winds. All hell was a breakin’ loose!

    So I jumped out of bed and turned on the telly and what do I find?

    Merill telling me to go to the basement. Tornadoes on the ground in western Trego county.

    There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home…..

    All’s well now. It only lasted about 15 minutes, but the grass and trees were blowing sideways. WOW. What a rush!

    I’m going out to make sure all the chickens are still in Kansas and not hitchin’ a ride to Nebraska.

  129. Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Uh oh, new storm approaching from the south. I better go feed and water the girls and give ‘em last rites….

  130. Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Who says we lead boring lives out here?!!!!

  131. GMC70
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Just bolt everything down, KFG, and hand on!!!

  132. Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Looks like that cell down just west of Enid is setting its sights on Wichita.

  133. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Who said I was anywhere near Wichita?

    I’m still in the middle of it.

  134. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl,

    I hope all is okay there.

    If you can get the radio reception, think about getting a weather alert radio.

    The alarm sound can be set very loud, and it’ll give you some peace of mind during stormy weather.

  135. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    KFG, watch for stampeding elephants!

    I’m serious LOL

  136. Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel & Film Fan — Just to clarify >>>>

    fleettwood
    Posted June 4, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
    “First you liberals refuse to drill for over a decade and then you use the time it will take to get the drilling started as an argument against doing it.”

    They do that with the Death Penalty, also.
    Fight and fight to save the lives of the Carr brothers, then complain it costs too much.

    Libs: Lovers of the Carr brothers.
    ======================================

  137. BlueJay
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Windy and murky here in Wichita.

    Hey kfg? Don’t hurt the storms unless it’s them or you.

  138. Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Hee hee hee Pmom. I heard that too! I wish I had been in town to see it.

    Apparently the circus is in town and the storm spooked the elephants and they escaped. Running around downtown.

    Gives new meaning to Groucho “I shot an elephant in my pajamas” Marx!

    All is well here. The girls were freaked out and the dog just about climbed into my lap when I took my boots off, but nothing much in terms of damage. A few shingles from the chicken coop in the yard, but that’s it.

    heheheheh JR. I almost said the storms would be afraid of ME, but I thought I tempt the fates often enough as it is…

  139. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Lists stations, coverage, etc.

    ‘NOAA Weather Radio All Hazards’
    http://www.weather.gov/nwr/

    If you need an external antenna (Faq section) follow the instuctions at their page, plus mount the top section horizontally, and at 90 degrees to the transmitter. If the station is due north, run the wires east-west.

  140. Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    …and fleetie proves once again why he’s the BDP.

  141. Posted June 5, 2008 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m still laughing about the elephants.

    I guess I wont worry unless they spot a lion, a tin man and a scarecrow chasing after them.

  142. bth
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    kfg – it’s been hitting here. You guys all clear now?

  143. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    We’re clear, but beautiful mammatus clouds and scuds.

    That circus I believe is the same one that was cited for their elephants dying a few years ago due to lack of veterinary care. They’ve been cited many times, I’m surprised they’re allowed to exist.

  144. Predestined
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    I’m guessing everyone is okay?

    Geez, I’m trying to hear the tornado warning info on the storm alert radio, and my next to oldest calls and tells me to get the H over to my oldest’s house, who’s the closest at three blocks. I coulda walked it. Then the oldest calls, as I’m shutting the computer down and grabbing my flash drives, to tell me to get the H over to her house. I get there in plenty of time. The youngest was with me, so the next to youngest calls from work to ask if I’ve gone to her sister’s house like a good little mom should.

    Boxlock, I’m sure you’re blessed. Most people are, in some way or another. Above is an example of three of mine.

  145. parkay
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Tre Burgos, age 2, of Florida, was diagnosed as a baby with optic nerve hypoplasia, a medical condition that results in underdevelopment of the optic nerves and causes blindness. After an experimental adult stem cell treatment in China 2 months ago, his vision improved from severely impaired at 20/1200 to just seriously impaired at 20/200, which means that now he will be able to enjoy mobility and reading.
    Meanwhile, useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research still cures or treats nothing, and likely never will, in spite of hyped-up lies about healing the blind and the lame and the sick.
    - – -

    A baby girl, named May Angel, died after being abandoned in a garbage bin in Lakeland, FL on May 9, 2006. Kami Sargent, the child’s mother according to DNA evidence confirmed this past week, was arrested in November 2007 for driving while her license was suspended, which required the DNA sample. Sargent admitted leaving the full-term baby in the garbage bin to conceal her pregnancy. She is being held in Polk County jail without bond.
    - – -

    Jill Jones, 21, of Benton, AR, who hid the birth of a girl in 2006 and then gave the dead infant to her boyfriend, who burned and discarded the body in a garbage bin, was sentenced Monday to 22 days in jail and six years’ probation. Jones, who pleaded guilty in Saline County Circuit Court to one count of concealed childbirth, a class D felony punishable by up to six years in prison, will also spend a week in jail on the anniversary of the baby’s birth, and pay a $1 fine.
    Jones’ shyster, Bill James, said shame, remorse and embarrassment are sufficient punishment for this crime [though that won’t help protect the dead babies we are finding in our garbage bins].
    Jones claimed to have given birth to a stillborn baby in 2006, but the couple was not arrested until nearly a year later, after a tip about boyfriend Christian Helsham, 22, talking about disposing of the tiny body, which was never recovered.
    We can’t keep our garbage bins free of abandoned and murdered newborns, folks, without enforcing tough felony sentences for concealed childbirth.

  146. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock, I’m sure you’re blessed. Most people are, in some way or another. Above is an example of three of mine.”

    Yep, sounds like you have what’s most important in life….for sure.
    Congratulations!

  147. KansasNative
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    As a Christian, parkay, you should be able to heal the blind, the lame and the sick.

    Jesus said you would do greater things than even He could do.

    Perhaps you’re holding out on us…or maybe you only SAY you’re a Christian.

    Lot of THAT going around these days.

  148. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    And again, Parkay lies. It was fetal stem cells from the umbilical cord, which I find suspect in CHINA.

    http://www.tresmiracle.com/web/do/site/home;jsessionid=FF1ADF7D94E7AE7272755BAB34875F58?ID=270293

  149. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    baby girl, named May Angel, died after being abandoned in a garbage bin in Lakeland, FL on May 9, 2006. Kami Sargent, the child’s mother according to DNA evidence confirmed this past week, was arrested in November 2007 for driving while her license was suspended, which required the DNA sample. Sargent admitted leaving the full-term baby in the garbage bin to conceal her pregnancy. She is being held in Polk County jail without bo_______

    2 lives ruined instead of one, Parkay is so proud.

    And in the third story,he’s advocating that women can’t even hide their pregnancies now???????????????

    WTF. There are many women who HIDE their pregnancies in order to PROTECT THEMSELVES.

    Newman is so friggin CLUELESS. If you want fewer dumpster babies, you make NON GUILTING programs for women in trouble, more access to BIRTH CONTROL, and more access to their freedom to choose.

  150. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    “Newman is so friggin CLUELESS. If you want fewer dumpster babies, you make NON GUILTING programs for women in trouble, more access to BIRTH CONTROL, and more access to their freedom to choose.”

    Sure…you don’t just leave them in a dumpster to die, you provide “more access to their freedom to choose” and “NON GUILTING programs” to kill those babies instead so everyone feels better.
    Except of course the baby…it’s still dead either way.

  151. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Except of course the baby…it’s still dead either way.
    But that’s okay, the baby can’t resist, or protest or vote, so what difference does it make.

    For that matter what difference does it make whether the baby is left in a dumpster to die, or with “more access to their freedom to choose” killed another way, it still ends up dead in the dumpster either way.

  152. American_Way
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand.

    Florida passed a Safe Haven Law in 2001, which allows the mother to drop off the unwanted baby without fear of prosecution.

    What happened? Could it be, some irresponsible people will still be irresponsible even when the government provides sanctuary?

  153. Mary_Caruso
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Abortion has colored our view of life as cheap and disposable…what difference does it make how the baby dies to someone who views unwanted innocent life as something to throw away?

  154. parkay
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Political_mama,
    Umbilical cord blood contains adult stem cells useful in several treatments and cures, including for leukemia. It is ethical to use in research and medical treatments, because it is obtained with informed consent, without harming mother or baby during the birth process. Umbilical cord blood banks are proving a great investment in medical research and treatments.
    Useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research will not be stable or safe enough for human trials for decades, if ever.
    - – -

    Every state in the USofA has passed a variation of safe abandonment laws, allowing mothers to legally abandon unharmed newborns up to at least 3 days of age, sometimes 30 days, at hospitals, clinics, fire stations, and police stations. We continue to see mothers who murder their newborn or deliberately risk or cause stillbirth, claiming more importance for concealing their pregnancy than for protecting the life of their child.
    Our government must pursue the vital interest of preserving and defending helpless new human life with the iron fist as well as with the velvet glove.

  155. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Too many women have to actually walk up to a person and hand the baby over, a risk many aren’t willing to take. I’d much rather see a woman have an abortion when the fetus has no feeling rather than wait till they’re born. its also possible that the child was born dead and didn’t know what to do with it. This is how traumatic pregnancy is, they’re in total denial, then when they finally give birth, they’re so freaked out they don’t know what to do.

  156. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    That is because tehy are terrified Newman. They have no place safe to go anymore.

    You have pushed them into this dark corner.

    Safe haven laws should apply ALL THE TIME, not merely days after birth.

    And what are your people doing with those safe haven laws? You’re pushing for the babies who might have had addicted mothers to be tried anyway with the Alexa’s law (UVVA).

    You need to read more on umbilical cord blood. Its nearly identical to embryonic stem cells.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood

  157. Political_mama
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Well we know that some women who are pregnant are just not suited to the task, so you ruin two lives instead of just one Mary. I will always propose that the woman’s life is more important as long as the child is in her womb and dependent on the woman.

    There is so much psychological and emotional warfare going on in a pregnant woman, a man cannot possibly understand how dangerous of a time it is, as well as physically.

  158. Boxlock
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Mary_CarusoPosted June 5, 2008 at 10:32 pm |
    “Abortion has colored our view of life as cheap and disposable…what difference does it make how the baby dies to someone who views unwanted innocent life as something to throw away?”

    Mary, I hope you know I agree with you 100% if I am not too tired to comprehend.
    My comments above were sarcasm, and meant to show just what you point out.
    That we are dealing with a human life and whether we kill it with saline, or metal tongs, or just throw it in the dumpster to die on it’s own it results in the exactly same thing…..a DEAD BABY. Does it matter much how it’s done, or does it really just matter that it makes us FEEL BETTER about what was done, and how it was done.

  159. BlueJay
    Posted June 5, 2008 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Power out for several hours.

    Ya didn’t take them storms to task enough kfg.

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    Forgetting which light switches you turned on before a power outtage can be ‘enlightening’ when the power comes back on at midnight while your sleeping.

    kfg’s stomping grounds Wakeeney was on Fox News. (photo of an elephant going for a walk)

    Good idea for schools and some government agencies to go to 10 hour workdays 4 days a week. This gives not only a longer weekend, but saves tranportation gas such as school buses and government vehicles on the road. Cost of utilities would be less as well.

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