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Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
“I do not swear at posters”

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050

Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

“I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452

Keep it up Nathan… you will get this thread closed early!! This will not be tolerated!!

The Walton and Johnson Radio Show, currently airing on KFH 1240 AM, in Wichita, is spewing out LIES about Obama not being a US Citizen, even though he was born in 1961 in Honolulu, HI. Hawaii became a State in 1959… This stupid RUMOR has been spreading on certain Radio programs, and in Internet musings for much of the past week… This kind of CRAP needs to be stopped somehow!!

Maggotpunk… Because he has a short circuit, and thinks he is an intimidator, and that he somehow “owns” or “runs” the Blog!! :roll:

Good morning Chas.,

Yes I do!

I tried to provide the link but it wasn’t working.

Here it is:

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7553

Oh, I’m sure they brought their ‘biases’ to the article, but then, don’t we all?

Here is the link to the info they refer to, write your own article!

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.htm

and once again just for fun….

http://bp1.blogger.com/_8IcO1ehweFs/SGgkUJkrnQI/AAAAAAAACpI/0rM_AfeAdh8/s1600-h/vote.jpg

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/06/bush-approval-r.html

FROM THE LA TIMES–BUSH APPROVAL AT ALL TIME LOW

Seven months before the end of his term, President Bush’s approval rating is at an all-time low.

In the just-released Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll, the president won approval from 23% of all registered voters — including 3% of Democrats and 58% of Republicans. Those numbers are down from February, when he had an approval rating of 35%. His high mark, according to the poll, was in November 2001, just after the 9/11 terror attacks, when the president’s popularity rating among registered voters was at 85%.

Perhaps the most interesting number is that 50% of self-described conservatives disapprove of the way the president is handling his job.

*****

Nice job, CONs. Even half the CONs don’t like the SOB-in-chief.

3 cops suspended….

This headline caught my attention fast! It would be nice to know the allegations so, not to assume. By reading the comments posted below this article it looks like there is allot of it going on, I guess I am guilty of the same. I wonder how complaints are taken seriously & investigated throughly when it seems they may be one in the same…rude conduct…unprofessional behavior. These officers were off duty and were suspended but on duty employees are allowed??? Could it be that these allegations may have been taken just a bit more personal to those higher up the chain?

My comment…..
Of course they do not tell the allegations and…they more than likely will not follow thru with the end either, in regards to letting the public be aware how lightly their hands will be tapped, if any. “Protect & Serve”, they do, of their own. Don’t be fooled by the comment that “the department takes all complaints seriously.” 104 internal investigations last year, 20 were “sustained”, those must have been the ones they chose to take and investigate seriously. I know of a complaint that was given to the Chief and the response when asked why did the end result only include part of the complaint was… there was so many, the ones included are the ones investigated. The most terrible action in the complaint, taken seriously??? Of course not, they protect their own. Furthermore, be prepared to protect yourself from being further victimized if you choose to walk in that door of professional standards, it is only the name of the department, not to be a reflection of the manner in which you may be talked to.
At anytime in your life a crime can include you. No matter how law abiding you are, no matter what kind of person you are, you are not always safe. I have reality now…Homicide leaves more than one victim. Another reality…a city protects a city. WPD is part of a city, they protect their own no matter if it is rude conduct, inappropriate behavior and/or yelling at a homicide victims mother for asking someone if they are okay.
Only the public pulling together for change will change anything. Contact your city manager in groups, a single person is easy to turn away.

And about Judge Pilshaw…during my “visits” in Wichita, she was one of the very few that had any compassion to us, the victims.

Whoa…WAKE UP WICHITA! I am suprised at all the negative response, maybe you haven’t a clue what really goes on there. Actually, Judge Pilshaw is one of the few that does have any compassion for the innocent! I understand her frustration. You hear people talk about how bad this and that is but when it comes down to it…they do not want to stand up, speak out, and/or do their duty. In my opinion this is going on allot there!!! Here, try this on for size…
Your child is murdered in Wichita. You are yelled at on the phone by the homicide detective, then he also kindly hangs up on you, when all you were doing was asking questions because you are unaware of the law due to you being a law abiding citizen, not thinking you need to know certain things. His Lt. & Sgt. provide… he must be having a bad day due to being tired & frustrated. Tired & frustrated??? If only those were the two things affecting you!!!
You are assigned a victim advocate, employed by the WPD. She gives you answers according to what she thinks, or is the normal but does not take the time to find out the true answer…leading you to believe that she has lied and/or doesn’t care enough to find out for sure. And above all…yells at you for compassionalty asking another family victim if they are okay. She sits in a court room and is asked to “take care” of two young innocent boys while you give your impact statement…just a compassionate touch may have meant the world at that moment but it must have been too much to ask of her. But wait, professional standards has the answer…he didn’t know it was her job to babysit! The boys happen to be very respectful, responsible, loving and brokenhearted 10 & 13 yr olds, their brother was murdered.
I could go on to include more of what happens behind the scenes but I will stop at this…one murderer goes before a judge, the judge is cold, shows no emotions whatsoever. You wonder if he even paid enough attention to notice the murderers attorney is so disrepsectfully rolling his eyes into the courtroom as the family is giving their impact statements! He also in the end gives a sentence of the lesser to a man that plead guilty!
I think you may need to rethink what you are thinking and saying. Judge Pilshaw is a judge who cares about you and speaks out for what is right. So she has emotions and feelings…after all of the above, which would you choose?
Of course this being asked to the innocent.

CapnAmerica,

MomofChris…Mom of Chris, make sense now???

Main idea: Wichita, what goes on there.

Just maybe if eyes are opened to what is going on right there, a change can be made. Everyone is always talking about politics…Change needs to happen all over but maybe it should be started right at home! Start little…change big! Or does the happenings in your own backyard not affect you?

So much for Party Unity!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/30/report-bill-clinton-tells-friends-obama-can-kiss-his-butt/

Report: Bill Clinton Tells Friends Obama Can Kiss His Butt
by FOXNews.com
Monday, June 30, 2008

As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were kissing and making up last Friday, Bill Clinton might have had other ideas, according to a report in The (London) Telegraph.

The paper reports that even as the former president and the current presumptive Democratic nominee prepare to meet to make their own amends, Bill Clinton reportedly told close friends Obama can “kiss my ass” to get his support.

The paper cited an anonymous Democratic source who provided the quote. That source also said Clinton is not making the primary effort to bridge the chasm between himself and Obama.

“He’s saying he’s not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said obama would have to quote, ‘kiss my ass,’ close quote, if he wants his support.

“You can’t talk like that about Obama — he’s the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.

I will have to look and see if I can find the original study, but one of my favorites that illustrates what is likely an unconscious bias was a meta-analytic review that compared the effect sizes of benefit in a number of different types of medications: the comparison was those studies supported by the manufacturer of the drug vs. those not so supported. The studies reviewed were published in a number of different journals which made manufacturer vs. non-manufacturer comparisons on a number of different medical conditions.

Those group of studies supported by the manufactuer consistently showed a significantly larger effect-size benefit over those not so supported.

Here is the study:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=156458

I have to comment that if this article had been published by a U.S. medical journal, to read it, you’d have to pay some serious $’s – not so in Britian. Must be one of those socialist plots, I suppose.

Experts Are Jumping off Global Warming ‘Train’

“An award-winning meteorologist has written an article debunking fears of man-made global warming — and predicting that global cooling could be a more likely problem.

James Spann, chief meteorologist at station ABC 33/40 in Birmingham, Ala., first attracted worldwide publicity back in January 2007 when he disputed the assertion that global warming was caused by human activity, instead insisting it is part of the earth’s regular climate cycle.

Now he has posted an article on his station’s Weather Blog, headlined “Global Warming Movement Turns Cool,” which reads in part: “Two years ago, it seemed like nothing could stop the global warming train. Most of the media, those in Hollywood, politicians (many on both sides of the cultural divide), and ‘enlightened environmentalists’ were all telling us that man was causing runaway warming of the earth’s atmosphere, meaning global catastrophe only decades ahead for all of us. Scary stuff.

“The problem is that a majority of those in this almost religious movement have little training in atmospheric science, and little understanding of the issue. They jumped on the bandwagon because it matches their worldview, or pads their pocket.”

The simple truth is that the man-made global warming train has “slowed to a crawl” and the riders are “jumping off as the facts are discovered,” writes Spann, who has been named his state’s best weather anchor nine times and won an Emmy Award for his tornado coverage in December 2000.

Spann notes that the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine this month announced that 31,072 American scientists signed a petition stating that “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the earth’s climate.”

Spann acknowledges that the climate is changing, but maintains that it always has changed and always will. He points to these “simple facts”:

* The earth is no warmer now than it was in 1998.
* Carbon dioxide, which is being blamed for global warming, is not a pollutant but a gas indispensable to plant life. Plants, in turn, release oxygen, which sustains animal and human life.
* The primary greenhouse gas is not carbon dioxide, but water vapor.
* The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years.

“I have been doing the weather on local television for 30 years, and every year I have had people come up to me and tell me that they can ‘never remember the weather being this strange,’” Spann writes.

John Coleman, meteorologist and founder of The Weather Channel, has called the global warming movement the greatest scam in history, Spann points out, adding, “I encourage all of you to read material on both sides of the issue and make up your own mind.”

That last sentence sounds reasonable, I for one am not going to worry or lose ANY sleep over AGW.

Right Hank, Obama is the 2nd coming…

Hank’s link:

http://www.obamacures.com/

“He (Obama) may just be divine after all.”

The Patriot Post:

“The only logical argument which still might hold some sway with some… frustrated conservatives is the Supreme Court. It’s an old argument—[and] its power to persuade is less this election than in years past. The reality is that while there could well be two vacancies during the next president’s term, those vacancies are likely to be for two of the Court’s liberal members, Justices Stevens and Ginsberg. Should Obama win, he’d get to replace two liberals with two liberals. So the philosophical make-up of the court would be a wash… And many conservatives probably could have lived with that—as long as the Court didn’t hand down any outrageous new decisions this summer showing that the Court still had not moved far enough to the right… First the Court ruled, 5-4, that captured Islamic terrorists with absolutely no regard for American human life whatsoever are entitled to the same constitutional rights and privileges as a United States citizen. Then this week the Court ruled, again 5-4, that it is cruel and unusual punishment for men who rape little girls under the age of 12 to get the death penalty. Replacing even one of the five liberal justices on the wrong side of these rulings would indeed change the course of legal jurisprudence in this country for years to come. So simply maintaining the status quo isn’t looking like such an acceptable thing after all. And then there was [the] DC gun ban decision. The court got this one right—but only by a 5-4 decision. Citizens of the United States of America [darn] near lost a critical God-given legal right to self-defense by one stinking vote. … Thanks to these three Supreme Court decisions, many conservatives may now feel compelled to return to the GOP flock, hold their noses REAL tight, and vote for John McCain in November.” —Chuck Muth

http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=84961

snip

Behind the theological disputation, however, is a struggle grounded in the here and now. Who speaks for American evangelicals, and on what issues? Evangelicals in the U.S. share a cluster of core principles: belief in the authority of the Bible, a determination to spread the faith and a commitment to salvation through Jesus. But defining the group beyond that is difficult. They also have a long history of quarrels over their agenda and tension over leadership, particularly since the rise in the 1970s of the formidable political force known as the “religious right.”

The dispute over the environment has gained urgency in the run-up to next year’s presidential election. Liberal Christians have long championed green issues. Some of their more conservative brethren, particularly in Washington, then joined them in that cause. Now, as anxiety over the environment seeps into the evangelical heartland of the South, pastors and ordinary believers are also wrestling with what was long scorned as a left-wing fetish. A look at how the struggle is playing out in Texas shows the different forces at work — and suggests its outcome is unlikely to be resolved soon.

“Global warming is a proxy battle,” says the Rev. Jim Ball, a graduate of Baylor University, a Baptist college in Waco, and now head of the Evangelical Environmental Network, a group set up in 1994. The combatants are “those moving forward on a broader agenda, and those who want to keep evangelicals focused on just three things — abortion, judges and gay marriage.”

I suppose you’re telling me that “scientists” are super-human, and can do what no one else can do: put aside their biases, entirely, and be completely objective? Please.

It’s a myth. It always was. It always will be, as long as science is done by human beings. It will always be influenced by such human things as one’s status in the community, the sources of one’s funding, and (especially with something as politicized as globing warming) one’s personal and political biases, among other things.

Supermen? Not hardly. None of us are. ‘Cepting me, of course; and sometimes I wonder about me.

:-)

(that’s a joke, for the humor impared).

“Spann notes that the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine…”

‘Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/

http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=OISM
————-

Spann: “ The lack of solar activity in recent months suggests global cooling might be our biggest potential climate change problem in coming years.”

Uh-huh… sure…

2007, with a solar minimum AND cooling from La Nina, tied 1998, which had a record warm El Nino.

BTW: “Meteorologists” are trained to consider solar energy a constant.

GMC70,

If a scientist refuted AGW, s/he would become famous worldwide.

Wouldn’t that be a strong incentive to overturn all of the climate science done since Arrhenius in 1896?

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm

http://attuworld.com/gadgets/revolutionary-spray-on-condoms-soon-to-arrive.html

My questions….what if…lets say, the excitement level changes while you’re waiting for it to dry…

And…should a clean shave be in order prior to use? Ouch.

We got a thread on a Democratic failed candidate from 30+ years ago when he spoke out on health care. Perhaps the WEblog will be a balanced enterprise and start a thread based on the what the “…the father of Quebec Medicare.” thinks of that system today.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299282509335931

Notice how cosmos’s ‘more important than God’ scientists……..

We can prove the existence of the science folks, God on the other hand.

Snip

Let’s agree that there is no empirical evidence showing that God exists.

If you think about it as a rational person, this lack of evidence is startling. There is not one bit of empirical evidence indicating that today’s “God”, nor any other contemporary god, nor any god of the past, exists. In addition we know that:

1. If we had scientific proof of God’s existence, we would talk about the “science of God” rather than “faith in God”.

2. If we had scientific proof of God’s existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one.

3. If we had scientific proof of God’s existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions.

The reason for this lack of evidence is easy for any unbiased observer to see. The reason why there is no empirical evidence for God is because God is imaginary.

Understanding the Rationalizations

The most common rationalization for the lack of scientific evidence is the “God must remain hidden” argument. See this proof for details.

Many believers try to rationalize God’s existence by saying something like this: “The existence of the universe proves God’s existence. Something had to create the universe. Science has no explanation for the universe’s creation. Therefore, God created it.”

The way to understand that this is a rationalization is to look back in history. Ancient people, before they had science, explained many things that they did not understand with “gods.” There have been sun gods, thunder gods, fertility gods, rain gods, etc.

The Bible works the same way. It tries to explain many things that its ancient authors did not understand by attributing them in God. For example, if you read Genesis 9:12-13 you will find this:

And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth…”

This is the Bible’s explanation of rainbows. Of course we now know that rainbows are a prismatic effect of raindrops. In the same way, Genesis chapter 3 tries to explain why human childbirth is so painful and Genesis chapter 11 tries to explain why there are so many human languages. These are myths, nothing more.

http://godisimaginary.com/i11.htm

http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1067
“Robinson “acknowledges he has done no direct research into global warming.” (source). Robinson is the founder of a group called the “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine” (OISM ), which markets, among other things, a home-schooling kit for “parents concerned about socialism in the public schools” and books on how to survive nuclear war.

In April 1998, Robinson’s Oregon Institute, along with the Exxon-backed George C. Marshall Institute , released a petition on global warming and the Kyoto Protocol that was so misleading it prompted the National Academy of Science to issue a news release stating that: “The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol.”
…
Oregon petition and big tobacco
It’s interesting to note that Fred Sietz, the author of the cover letter is also the former medical advisor to RJ Reynolds medical research program.
A 1989 Philip Morris memo stated that Seitz was: “quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice.” However, 9 years later, it seems that he was “sufficiently rational” to lead the charge on Robinson’s Oregon Petition. “

Chas,

I am going to post that every single day until you do 2 tings.

1. Apologize to the person you said that to.

2. Apologize for calling me a liar when you said that you don’t swear at posters.

“cosmos is not a scientist”

Neither is McCluer, but he did take a science class in Junior High School.

He got a B-.

WSClark
Posted June 30, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

“cosmos is not a scientist”

Neither is McCluer, but he did take a science class in Junior High School.

He got a B
========================
Actually, in high school I never scored less than a 95 on all science classes that were available. Physics, Biology, Chemistry.

Since my degrees are science degrees of course, Clark the liar is once again spreading falsehoods.

I am not talking in defense of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. I don’t really care about them one way or another.
I am pointing out that some of the folks you so place your confidence in and quote use a ad hominem approach from the start by calling them “Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey”.
As a result I lose respect for them, and a by extension what they say, and to an extent for what input you have here, as it aligns you with them.

GMC, you realize you are arguing Science with the self-proclaimed Preacher who parades around this blog calling other posters “bitch”, and tells them they are “nucking futs”?

Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

“Shove it Nathan!! You are way out off bounds here…”

Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

“I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452

Boxlock posted June 30, 2008 at 2:08 pm

“I am not talking in defense of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. I don’t really care about them one way or another.”
———–

Then why did Boxlock copy/paste a post that cited OISM?

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-630-2/#comment-376162

Anyone catch Saturday Night Live when they re-aired the first episode from 1975?

Fantastic!

Chas, JAMITOL. It might help.

“MaxGrobnik” stains his tighty whities at the mere thought of –

“bitch”, and “nucking futs”?

What a sorry existence you must have.

PS:
My point cosmos was that if your guys are so knowledgeable and so confident in their position then WHY would they need to resort to a ad hominem approach to responding to an opponent.
It makes them look much less credible for sure.
It sure has for me.

The UN response to the comments:

“Rejected.”

How’s that for an open mind.

Monkeyman! I see you got your ass handed to you again by GMC on the gun thread over the weekend. Congratulations!

You might also benefit from JAMITOL.

Have a nice day.

Boxlock posted June 30, 2008 at 2:25 pm

“Because it’s another opinion, from a source just as entitled to express theirs as your guys are theirs.”
————–

And you don’t care if that “source” has multiple errors, is not peer-reviewed, tried to deceive people by formatting their paper to look like it was from the National Academy of Sciences, etc?

Boxlock is very easy to con.

Looking at “both sides of the issue” is not sufficient. You also have to check whether their arguments are accurate and valid.

Just like 9/11 our dear friends the Saudis produced the master mind for the Cole attack.
Bush should have attacked SA after the Cole, and 9/11 would’ve never happened.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/uss_cole_bombing_5

Chas=LL (Lib liability)

Thats good…. might come down with something serious at Jezebel’s!! LOL OR at the Beach House…. I cant find anything wrong with using some colorful words, especially when they are needed…. :-)

Chas= False Preacher=Liar

OMG, its a DONK E CON!!! :roll:

ADSFAKSDkfake

Who DIED and left MAX in charge of “Preacher Vocabulary” ??? :roll: Max, have you risen to the point of calling yourself GOD now?? Or is that just DOG spelled backwards… Or is that just FEMALE DOG???

I don’t know Chas. I just heard you say the word Bitch. For some reason the Eagle is allowing me to post it. Let’s see how many times. bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch

cosmos,
I don’t have to do anything you or any of your AGW hysterics say I need or must do.
I will continue to drive the cars I have, go where I please, as far as I please, turn on lights and leave them on if I so choose, keep my air conditioning and heating set to exactly where I please.
You are the one being conned much more than I. I simply don’t care to pay attention to it much and won’t. I simply think it odd you make it your life mission to preach about it on this blog constantly but really don’t effect anything. Has that occurred to you yet?

Monkeyman! I see you got your ass handed to you again by GMC on the gun thread over the weekend. Congratulations!

Why thanks, Max, and yes, it’s true, but I can’t claim all that much credit. In this case, it was just too easy.

Bill Gross wrote an open letter to “Pres. Obama”, Don’t know why anyone would want this mess.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080630/pl_nm/usa_pimco_gross_dc_5

http://www.library.uiuc.edu/alx/peer.htm

Monkeyman! I see you got your ass handed to you again by GMC on the gun thread over the weekend. Congratulations!

Why thanks, Max, and yes, it’s true, but I can’t claim all that much credit. In this case, it was just too easy.

It’s easy to wipe the floor with the failed liberal talk show host Monkeypants.

Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
Where do you corn balls find the alleged profanity?? Eh???

Chas
Posted May 8, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink
Yep… as suspected — Nothing of substance from James when cornered — Just stupid goddam ad hominem bullshit!!! Just as always!!
JERK!!!

Reports from the North, too warm for seals!

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

A RealClimate blogger? No, that was the US Weather Bureau in 1922.

(chortles)

Cosmos, Ummmm…. that would take a REAL brain to figure out that difference… OL

Hank-

MY wife’s toy poodle passed away unexpectedly. though she had not been quite right the last day or so. WHen it comes time to replace our little girl, I would like to use a reputable breeder and not a puppy mill. Local withink Kansas if possible. any suggestions?

littlejohn,
Sorry about your and your wife’s loss, it is hard losing a family member even if it is a pet.
As a fellow member of the human species, at least I assume so, I apologize for beber’s comment. It was shallow and without merit.
And by the way, though I’ve never had one, poodles are quite intelligent dogs and used as, and cross bred for, companion dogs as you well know having had one.

Boxlock, I seldom see anyone post here, or anywhere else, that is SO EGOcentric, and SELF-Centered as what you have just posted about the Environment… the CREATION!! Do you not care about the future of your grandchildren, and their offspring yet to be born?? What will your grandchildren pay for gas on the night of their Senior Proms?? $20/gallon?? $30??

Are you really that SELFISH??

Reminds me of an old prayer my mother used to quote when she saw pure self-centered egotism….

“O Lord, bless me and my wife;
My son John and his wife;
Us four and no more… And not even
John and his wife, if it might cost me
more than this exquisite meal… AMEN!!”

Cosmos, a BIG AMEN to Henrik Tikkanen!!!

3 FACTS TO CONSIDER –

1)-Over 70% of our National Debt was created by just 3 Republican presidents.

Go ahead, get out your calculator and add up debt by president/party. Apparently the party that claims fiscally responsibility thinks it’s ok to borrow massive amounts of money from foreign countries like China. Consider that we spend hundreds of billions of dollars in interest payments on this debt each year. That means more and more of your hard earned money is going to make interest only payments on what is basically a Giant National Credit Card. Not to mention the fact our debt/deficits are largely behind the weakness of our dollar, which in turns makes gas more expensive and creates other serious problems.

If you want to learn more about the National Debt, check out these links:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock /
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
zfacts.com/p/447.html (A running clock with the cost of the war)
abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/business…

2)-According to new research from Larry Bartels out of Princeton, real middle class wage growth is double when a Democrat is president compared to when a Republican is president.

“…Even more remarkable, the real incomes of working-poor families…grew six times as fast when Democrats held the White House. Only the incomes of affluent families were relatively impervious to partisan politics, growing robustly under Democrats and Republicans alike…”: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/magazine/27wwln-ideal...

Here is a short summary of this research: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008...

And here is a good, short audio interview with Larry Bartels: youngturks.wmod.llnwd.net/a591/o1/4-25-08Bartels…

3)-90% of Americans would pay less taxes under Obama’s proposed tax plan compared to McCain’s.

This is according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Institute as reported by CNN: money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates…

People making under $112,000 a year in individual (not household) income would pay less taxes under Obama’s plan.

By contrast, John McCain’s tax cuts mostly benefit the top 10% of Americans. Under McCain’s plan, people making over 2.9 million dollars in individual annual income would get almost a million dollar tax break.

Conclusion: Countless millions of Americans vote Republican because they believe they’ll pay less taxes and that they’ll have their money spent more responsibly. As you can see, those beliefs are directly contradicted by the facts. Of course we can choose to ignore the facts and instead focus on which candidate is wearing a flag pin (you ever notice that Hillary and McCain don’t wear them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi5nbZvS9cg ) but I think we’re a smarter country than that.

Monkey I’m an accountant and I can make numbers say anything you want them to say. The first accountant I worked for was from the Bronx and told me that in his first job interview he was asked what 2+2 was and he answered what do you want it to be. He was hired.

That to say if you really believe what you posted please let someone else handle your retirement plan unless you plan to work until you drop dead.

“okobserver” admits a proclivity for fraud by boasting –

“I’m an accountant and I can make numbers say anything you want them to say.”

Too bad Enron isn’t hiring.

“The first accountant I worked for was from the Bronx and told me that in his first job interview he was asked what 2+2 was and he answered what do you want it to be. He was hired.”

That’s a hoary old accountants’ joke. I first heard in college when some Business Majors were making FIFO or LIFO jokes with sexual overtones. You accountants are so well known for your humor.

“That to say if you really believe what you posted please let someone else handle your retirement plan unless you plan to work until you drop dead.”

I said a lot of stuff, there “okobserver,” and offered links (many with further links of their own) and all you can come up with a sniveling snark about a retirement plan. More accountant humor, I guess.

As lame as your attempts at humor are, at least they showed up. No refutations, no counter evidence, nothing but snark.

How typically CON of you.

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Good luck!

No problem littlejohn,

Wish I could take a little of the pain for you.

God never seems to let us have them as long as we want but he lets us have all our heart will hold!

“littlejohn
Posted June 30, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

Thanks Hank. I guess she was my little girl too.”

I knew you were a softy!

“okobserver” owns up to a bit of reality, with –

“I am honest enough to know that both parties have contributed to the deficit.”

That honest?! Really?

Dishonest enough, still, to “make numbers say anything you want them to say,” I hope.

“Forty years of democratic rule played a big part in that.”

How many balanced budgets did Ronald Reagan submit to Congress during his eight years in office?

Whatever happened to 1994’s Contract With America promised that the new Republican Congress would pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution? Oh, and which is the last president to send a balanced budget to Congress?

“If you know the accountant jokes and LIFO and FIFO then you surely know that comparing todays dollars and the dollars of past years in not possible.”

Yeah, except when the Republic Party wants to attack letting Srub’s “Leave No Billionaire Behind” temporary tax-cuts sunset…AS THEY WERE WRITTEN and calling it “the largest tax increase in history!!!!!” (The five exclamation points are part of the quote, btw)

“If you don’t factor in the inflation and deflation through the years then your numbers are just numbers and have no basis in fact.”

Oh, I don’t think you want to talk too much about inflation (gasoline prices, food prices, huge deficits financed by “Red” China) if you want to promote your political biases. Let’s adjust Reagan’s deficit spending for inflation. Let’s adjust George HW Bush’s deficits for inflation. Let’s use some of your “make numbers say anything you want them to say” skills and Shrub might turn out to be only the SECOND-worst contributor to the national debt in American history.

“There Monkey I actually typed an entire paragraph withou demeaning you or your intelligence. Without calling you one name.”

Frankly, I didn’t think you had it in you. Care to try for a second or third? Maybe this time addressing the issues I raised upthread.

Monkey really do the research and see which party is the party of the rich. A clue – it isn’t the republicans. Look at the numbers and then post again about the Bush billionaires.

The Republican party is the party of people who make money off of other people.

Ksgrm being a fine example of same.

If “growing up” means being like you?

Thanks, no.

BTW, WHY did you make it a point of adding religion into a subject I didnt even put religion in to begin with?? Are you really THAT obsessed with your “right relationship” to whatever god you call yours??

L J — I lost my little travel buddy last Summer, and this past year just hasnt been the same… I feel for your loss… the grieving is quite difficult sometimes….

“Are you really THAT obsessed with your “right relationship” to whatever god you call yours??”

Chas, you better believe I am that obsessed with my “right relationship” to God…THE GOD, THE ONLY GOD.
That is MOST important to me, even if I don’t live it as I should.
Guy, no offense but where are you coming from?
I’m not wanting to fight, but how many gods do you think there are?
Are you simply creating your own?
Good night Chas, I hope you can sleep well.

Are you really so Rude and Crude that you have to be a total bitch-creep about something like a person’s loss of a pet??

And yes, Chas, you’ll deny it. Again. And no, no one, not even your “allies,” will buy your lame denial this time either.

GMC, you really think I dont know how James spells his name?? If you do YOU are the mental midget…. not me!!! I knew full well that the young man in the Obit was NO relation to James McCluer, since the young man’s name was McClure!! Even an idiot attorney is smart enough to see what happened with that one… And since it backfired on the righty tidiees…. yhou nut cases just cant stand to let it go!!

However, those five folks whose lives were saved by the thoughtfulness of that yhoung man will never forget what his true purpose in life was all about… All the while all you nut cases can do is make fun of it!!

How terribly shallolw!!

How terribly shallow that a poster would make fun of the passing of a favorite pet… Guess that just shows what you folks are really all about!! And it aint LOVE, for damn sure!!

I liked that obit post so much, I might even post it again, just to remind people what LIFE is all about!!

This looks interesting >>>>
McClure, Benjamin Harrison, 20, cherished son, brother and uncle, passed away Friday, March 6, 2008. Ben was born March 2, 1988 in Wichita, Kan. He was able to graduate in 2006 from Southeast High School while living on his own, and later moved on to work at Burlington Coat Factory and the Cracker Barrel. He was a passionate writer and pianist, and an advent student of yoga and meditation. Ben was known and loved by many and will be best remembered for his kind heart and giving nature. He was always quick to help a friend in need, even when he had very little himself to give. Even in his sudden death, there is comfort in knowing that his generous spirit lived on in the gift of organ donation. Through his passing he was able to give the most of himself by saving the lives of at least five different people. He is survived by his mother and stepfather, Angela and Stan Allenbach; his father, James McClure; sisters, Shelby Bais, Molly McClure, Anna McClure; his three nieces, Paige and Lynndon Bais, Nia McClure; grandfather, Glen McClure. Funeral sevices 10 a.m. Thursday, March 13, 2008, Biglow-Bethea Funeral Directors Chapel, 957 N. Oliver.
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PLEASE NOTE THE SPELLING OF THE LAST NAME IS NOT ONE AND THE SAME AS A CERTAIN PARTICULAR POSTER ON THIS BLOG…

READ THE CONTENT…. FORGET THE NAMES…

IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE SHALLOW MINDS, AND NO SENSE OF CARING FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS… PEACE TO ALL!!

Boxlock posted June 30, 2008 at 7:42 pm

“… it’s that I just don’t care that much, …
…
Believe me, the Earth will take care of itself, and it will do so without asking permission from cosmos or anyone else.”

Boxlock posted June 30, 2008 at 10:23 pm

“And of course I care about the future of my grandchildren, and have saved considerable for their future education. I just got back from a week long vacation with all three, camping, swimming, hiking, exploring, and having a simply great time.”
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1) Why should I “believe” you about the “Earth” and AGW, when you admit that you “just don’t care that much”? And you very obviously have not researched AGW

2) Will the money you’ve saved for them replace the nature your grandchildren enjoyed last week, if AGW causes changes in their future? Or their children, later in the future?

3) You should give your grandchildren hardcopies of your posts here, for them to read decades in the future.

If their parents know that you blog here, maybe they’re already saving your posts for your grandchildren?

IN THAT CASE, JAMES…. YOU CONTINUE TO BE THE LIAR, SINCE YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE FUN OF THE LIFE OF THE YOUNG MAN WHO DONATED WHAT HE HAD SO THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE LIFE… AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT VERY PLAINLY, I DO PITY YOU AND YOUR OWN EGOTISTICAL NARCISISTIC LEANINGS… JUST A GOOD FOR NOTHING LOVER OF YOUR SELF… HOWEVER MUCH OF SELF YOU MAY HAVE LEFT… AND, JAMES, ONLY YOU WOULD KNOW HOW YOUR LONG LOST RELATIVES, WHO YOU DONT EVEN KNOW… WOULD SPELL THEIR NAMES… I SURE THE HELL WOULDNT KNOW… NOR WOULD I CARE!!

THIS YOUNG MAN DID SOMETHING HONORABLE!!! YOU DOPE HEADS TRY TO MAKE IT INTO ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR BLOG TROLL PURSUITS…

KARMA IS A BITCH… REMEMBER, WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND!!

Chas –

Wanna highlight that obit the way you did the first time? No? Why not? Because it makes clear as a bell your explaination is complete BS.

And typing in all caps doesn’t make BS stink any less. So STFU yourself! (That’s Squeeze The Furry Ubu, of course. From relatives of my mother’s second cousin’s aunt, twice removed, on my father’s side. From Albania. On months with a full moon on Tuesdays.)

See. My BS is funnier than your BS – except I don’t pretend to actually believe mine.

And for your feeble minded brain…. CAPS are quite often utilized for EMPHASIS…. Get a life, mr. prosecutor…. please!!

Ya know, GMC, you can post whatever you want, as often as you want… and it still wont change the TRUTH of the matter… And it still wont make you any less of a lying SOB because of it!! But, of course, you still believe Obama is a secret muslim, and you might even believe he isnt legal to run for president… But that wouldnt make it true either!! And, if you have never had the unique pleasure of spending time with any of the Pennsylvania Dutch, you have truly missed out on one of life’s great thrills!!! They happened to be part of MY family!! Sorry you have had a dull life!! Heck, maybe thats why you are a lawyer for all I know!!

GMC70,

Since you’re an expert on science, do you have any comment re my post upthread?
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If a scientist refuted AGW, s/he would become famous worldwide.

Wouldn’t that be a strong incentive to overturn all of the climate science done since Arrhenius in 1896?

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm

It’s slow news and politics just now.

I am going on an explore.

I’m going to go find some of the greatest spits, fits, snits and promised quits from the right.

And I’ll search also from some better and more soaring rhetoric from the left.

Watch out cons. I have stuff from back there that would take the paint off your house.

There’s three years of re runs out there. I’m gonna go find them.

I was away at the time.

I had been caring for my father. He died just a few weeks before this.

SO I missed this.

Here is the very first post to this forum from my friend ksfarmgrrl. A star is born.

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ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 6, 2006 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

Anon–They had no problem saying people had a right to vote with the “I hate gays” amendment. Funny how we are only allowed to vote on some things, but others, well, we dont need to vote because our “leaders” have already decided. Kansas hypocracy has no limits.”

Good pickin there Steven!! Thanks!!

Thanks Chas,

I am still listening to the the C.D. (via the web). You are correct, my friend, that is some very good picking!

Night. See you soon.

Very well, Parkay:

There is truth in your attestations; however, I find the marijuana/abortion connection somewhat tenuous.

I didn’t smoke mary-j until three years after my abortion, and I only did it ’cause my ex did it, and I was attempting to conform to my idea of what his idea of a groovy chick was, so……

But I will say this: many, many pro choice individuals concede the implicit tragedy behind abortion. My own physician did so; I certainly understood his concerns and never became pregnant again.

I will concede this as well: Dealing with tragedy, when a young person is already heavily depressed, is not a happy state of affairs. This was made even more clear to me this past weekend.

But smokin’ potty? Sheesh – I don’t know where your source is coming up with that one. Perhaps opiates and abortion would be a more understandable combo – but I didn’t ingest that
s–t until 26 years after my abortion.

Anyway, I’m exuding some admirable equanimity here! Give me a parade past the Spirit One Christian Center!

There is truth in what Parkay says here.

For those of you who expressed their condolescnces and their sympathy for our loss, thank you. When the time comes, we may look at your suggestions about rescue dogs. She was kind of a rescue herself. Her former situation, while not grave, was not optimum. Anyway, thanks.

littlejohn