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It’s the third of June, another sleepy dusty delta day…
Is everyone ready for the daily science-denial posts?
Can anyone guess who will be the first denier to post on this thread?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Apophis, did you attend the reception for outgoing USD 259 Superintendent Winston Brooks at Northwest High School Sunday PM? How do you think this transition is going to work out?
Those of you over 65….have you noticed that your medicare plan that was forced upon you isn’t covering vital drug treatments? A lady I know who has cancer has Humana and it will only pay for half of her chemo drug…her out of pocket is $3,000 per month, which she can’t afford, of course. Her family is appealing to the drug company to work out something so she can get the life saving drugs she needs. Is this what we’re been forced into by our government? Begging to drug companies for mercy or otherwise die?
I took one of my patients to the doctor yesterday for a non-healing surgical wound that has opened up. The doctor prescribed a debriding ointment that will help his wound heal. He has Medicare, BC/BS, AND Medicaid…this ointment isn’t covered by any of them, it costs $63 for a small tube. He had $50 in his pocket until his next check comes, and after he pays his rent and buys food, he’ll have about $100 to last the rest of the month. So he has no choice but to go without the ointment…if the wound doesn’t heal, the expense for his treatment will get a lot higher.
Something’s got to change, folks.
No JWink, I did not attend the public reception at Northwest for Winston. I was part of a more private get together at the Scotch and Sirloin last Tuesday where Winston was the honored guest. I had an opportunity to have a few conversations with him at this event
I hope the BOE conducts a methodical, well defined search for a new superintendent. I would hate to see a situation like the city council did………hire the first person they interview.
Question #1 for a prospective superintendent (from my perspective): Will you personally be at the negotiations table with the representative employee groups?
Winston never conducted negotiations personally. I never thought that was appropriate way to conduct business.
PROOVES MY POINT: You Global Warming Alarmist Libs want Somebody Else to pay for “solving” Global Warming.
$800 Billion in Socialist Redistribution of Wealth to pay the poor for the high energy costs.
And Boxer lies within her own quote below. Where does she think that $800 Billion will come From?
New Cap/Trade taxes on American Industry. Who pays for it? The corporations pass this cost on to us Consumers.
Lying Btich!
All for a non-solution to a non-problem.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362105,00.html
Boxer said it was “misinformation and an untruth” to suggest that the climate legislation would impose new taxes or raise gasoline prices. The bill proposes using proceeds from the sale of carbon emission allowances to funnel $800 billion in tax relief, over 40 years, to people facing higher energy costs, she said.
Did anyone else watch the McClellan interview on O’Reilly last night? It was interesting, Billo tried to shake Scotty, try to undermined him, to spin things he said and McClellan was claim and stay his ground.
I guess I will give Billo credit too at least he gave McClellan time to answer with a minim amount of the 12 y.o. shouting down when every his guest start to make a valid point. And Scott would not let Billo try to take a crumb and spin it into something it was not.
LOL of course the spin in the “no spin zone “ came after the interview was over and O’Reilly was dismissive by saying that McClellan is a “professional who is trained to memorize his lines and stay on message” . And Juan Williams whom play the Alan Combs to B. Kristol (BTW special advisor to McCain) on Fox News Sunday was there. He added…mare eat oats and does eat oats well he just added to the dismissive nature. But no counter to the statements in the book. Just accusing the Publisher of spicing it up.
McClellan has stay consistent on every interview, both with those wishing to use it for and against Bush now.
“The bill’s sponsors sought to blunt criticism over costs by including a pollution allowance trading system. The emissions allowances were projected to generate $6.7 trillion in revenue over 40 years.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362105,00.html
Boys and Girls, that’s another 167.5 Billion in additional costs passed on to Consumers. (And that doesn’t count the higher costs of Energy and Everything Else impacted by higher energy prices!
Yeah, way to go DemoRats!
PURE SOCIALISTS!
Everytime you turn around, there’s a New DemoRat Socialist Program to charge to Americans.
Can someone please provide a comprehensive list? I’m losing track.
There’s roughly $9 Trillion in National Income. There’s $3 Trillion taken by Federal Government and another $1 Trillion taken by State/Local Governments.
There’s still $5 Trillion for you Socialist Thieves to steal!
Remember though, you’ve already stolen 4/9 of The Peoples’ Money.
How much more do you want?
Mary: I have always said the government’s so-called prescription drug plan for senior citizens is a failure. It hurts more people than it helps.
Have you obtained a list of Dillons and Wal-Mart’s generic drugs that are very economical?
Also my doctor recommended an expensive prescription ointment for a minor skin abrasion. I So I asked a pharmacist for its ingredients and found the same thing in a non-prescription form for $1 or $2 for a large tube at Wal-Mart.
This prescription medicine thing is wrong most of the time in my opinion. I talk to older people who are taking way too many prescription drugs costing a small fortune. I’m sorry but this overuse of prescription drugs is basically the fault of our doctors and medical system.
I think that the prescription drug problem in America is directly related to insurance and drug companies. Dr.’s don’t do a whole lot anymore. Order a ton of useless tests, send you on referrals, then just prescribe what whatever drug rep just dropped off samples for.
Then there are the drug companies. Running nonstop ads to promote self diagnosis. It is the next logical step anyway. The Dr.’s just don’t seem to give a crap anymore.
I read that the drug companies are using animation in their ads to get the youth of this nation in line and self diagnosing as well. Lovely thing this.
Sol you have actually found a Doctor who orders tests? I seem to always run into the ones in the pocket of the HMOs. You get this “Well you either have a cold or are dying of cancer, if you have not died or get feeling better in two week. Make an appointment to see me again!”.
I WISH I STILL HAD CABLE!!!! This antenna crap has got to go! If I still had cable, I would have watched O’Reilly last night – and I’d watch it tonight. Evidently tonight’s episode will be interesting.
As it is, the few channels I can get require my contorting the danged antenna into every which way but #12 in the Kama Sutra, and it’s cheesing me off – and I’m getting tired of it.
Mr. O’Reilly rubs me the wrong way at times. I don’t always care for his manner of speaking. Sometimes, he talks “at” and “over” people instead of “with” his guests. Sometimes, I find it disrespectful.
But I’d watch tonight’s episode if I could. Take away the personal insults, and there will likely be an interesting program. But I’m not necessarily going to believe something just because Bill says I should.
Just like I’m not going to buy everything a failed messiah who fertilized our fair city 17 years ago would have us believe…….
Sol – good point. I have one of those old-fashioned DRs who actually tells me things about diet etc. He recommended a couple of cheap OTC supplements – cost less than a co-pay would have been – to bolster my system. I don’t know if that had anything to do with it but I got through all of last winter without using a sick day. The big problem we have is that we have a ’sick-fix’ system instead of a health-care system.
FF – doesn’t FAUX come through for you on 24? So what is so special about O’Reilly tonight?
I was out choppin’ cotton and my brother was balin’ hay
FF most of the time I have trouble watching more then 10 minutes of O’Reilly. But I do because Oberman seems to be over the top at time on his going after him. Till I watch Billo and then I see he was spot on.
Kind of like those foods you have not had in awhile and then once you try it again suddenly remember why you have not had it in awhile!
I have to admit that I was surprised by how well McClellan did on Fox last night. Either he really does have the strength of his convictions. Or as O’Reilly was trying to paint him Scott is trained to not get shook and stay on message.. LOL but I think Billo was sure wish either way that Scott was not!
GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE
UAH Satellite data: Globally, 2008 significantly cooler than last year
31 05 2008
One of the great things about our current state of technology is the nearly instant reporting we can get from remote sensing platforms. Thanks to Dr. Roy Spencer & Dr. Danny Braswell, GHCC at the University of Alabama, Hunsville, we can watch global temperatures of the lower troposphere in near real-time…
According to the UAH data For 2008, we are averaging about .4 to .5 degrees C cooler than last year…
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/globally-2008-significantly-cooler-than-last-year/
David Brooks:
“More fundamentally, McCain’s problem is that his party is unfit to govern. As research from the Republican pollster David Winston has shown, any policy becomes less popular when people learn that Republicans are supporting it. If the G.O.P. sponsored the sunrise, voters would prefer gloom. Many Republicans are under the illusion that they are in trouble because they’ve betrayed their core principles. The sad truth is that if they’d been more conservative, they’d be even further behind.
“I’ve spent the past few years trying to find conservative experts to provide remedies for middle-class economic anxiety. Let me tell you, the state of free-market thinking on this subject is pathetic. There are a few creative thinkers (most of them under 30), but for the most part, McCain is forced to run in an intellectual void.
“Today, he is scheduled to give a forceful speech on why “reform” is better than “change.” He plans to describe how to remobilize government and address economic anxiety. But McCain’s reform message is only being carried by him and a few bloggers. Obama can draw on a coherent body of economic work and 10,000 unified voices.
“This election will be asymmetric. Obama has to come up with a personal narrative voters can relate to. McCain needs to come up with a one-sentence description for why he represents a clean break and a compelling future.
“Neither campaign has done that. I don’t know what they’re so happy about.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03brooks.html?ref=opinion
Gentlemen:
Yes, I can tune in Channel 24 – but that is a different Fox channel. O’Reilly is on the “Fox News Channel” – and ya need cable to tune that channel in. As such, I can’t get CNN, MSNBC, MTV, VH1, or any of those great channels I used to frequent.
Tonight’s episode will evidently concern Dr. Tiller’s clinic. If “Baba” O’Reilly** can keep the hysteria at bay, I’d be interested in watching it.
**Baba O’Reilly was the name of an incendiary magnum opus by the Who – circa early 1970s. As one Rolling Stone writer described it, Roger Daltrey’s primal scream in the midst of this song – and Keith Moon’s other-worldly drumming – was like communing with the gods.
Welcome the Max “Hate-free zone”:
“And Boxer lies within her own quote below. Where does she think that $800 Billion will come From?
“New Cap/Trade taxes on American Industry. Who pays for it? The corporations pass this cost on to us Consumers.
“Lying Btich!”
Just an honest debate on the issues. No name calling. No blind hatred on steroids – no, sir…
(smirk)
Senate Votes to Begin Global Warming Debate
Tuesday, June 03, 2008
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — The Senate began what is expected to be a weeklong, contentious debate Monday over legislation to combat global warming by mandatory reductions in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
Senators voted 74-14 to proceed to the bill, but immediately it became clear Republican opponents were not going to make it easy. A request by Democrats to begin considering substantive changes in the bill was blocked by GOP opponents until Wednesday at the earliest.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada promised a thorough debate that will probably last through the week, if not longer. He said it’s clear that “global warming is real” and Congress must act.
But supporters of the bill acknowledged it will be difficult — perhaps impossible — to overcome a certain GOP filibuster threat against the legislation, meaning congressional action on global warming will probably be decided in the next Congress and by the next president.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., a chief architect of the 500-page bill, said at a news conference the urgency of taking action against climate change cannot be overstated, declaring, “It’s about our children, about their children, and about the planet we’ve inherited.”
Democratic leaders were ready to spend the week, and possibly more, on the legislation. But the tone of the debate emerged in the opening hours.
Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called it “a giant tax on virtually every aspect of the economy,” and accused Democrats of being “laughably out of touch” in taking up the bill when the country is reeling from $4 a gallon gasoline and other high energy costs.
The White House maintained the carbon limits would “impose a huge new tax” while demanding “drastic emission cuts that have no chance of being realized and have every chance of hurting our economy.”
The bill would raise gasoline taxes by 53 cents a gallon by 2030, said the White House statement, a position ridiculed by the bill’s sponsors. “People would be thrilled to have gas prices rise only 2 cents a year,” declared Sen. Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut independent and co-sponsor of the legislation.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362105,00.html
Seems snotty mcclellan didnt fare so well with jon stewart last night. I’m sure it’s on YouTube by now.
I can relate Film fan, for over twelve years I did not have cable, in a sense its like being in the backwoods and no papers, TV or radio. Everything else is happening and you only hear about it a year later. I have to admit though I have had cable long enough now that it has become like sensory overload. So many differing sources and not one of them are of the same thought! It gets to be like in order to get the truest picture of what is going on. You flip through the channels and get complete sentences one word at a time.
But it funny how different the local Fox channels are from the cable ones, the fox channels locally have some of the best programs and interesting topics. But the cable channel is so slanted that you have only one way to think if you watch it.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
McClellan’s “Daily Show” visit will be rerun today at 9 am and 1 pm on Comedy Central.
http://www.energybulletin.net/26194.html
Not only do we spend over 50 percent of our income taxes on the military and not only do we spend more on our military than than all the other countries in the world, combined, but it turns out that the Pentagon uses more oil than any other entity on the planet.
QUOTE:
except for 80 nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, almost all military fleet [and all its tanks, HV's, mobile artillery etc including the ones that will be joining in the next decade] run on oil.
Yes, the US military is completely addicted to oil. Unsurprisingly, its oil consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the Pentagon the single largest oil consumer in the world. By the way, according to the 2006 CIA World Factbook rankings there are only 35 countries (out of 210) in the world that consume more oil per day than the Pentagon.
UNQUOTE
Thanks a lot, warhawks. You brought us 4 dollar a gallon gas . . .
Global Warming: ‘This myth, this hoax, this fraud’
Will the news that 31,000 scientists signed a petition rejecting the catastrophic, man-made global warming threat change the political and cultural dynamic in this country on this phantom problem? I hope so, but I sincerely doubt it.
This myth, this hoax, this fraud is being taught to children in public schools throughout America as if it were established fact. This myth, this hoax, this fraud is being spoon-fed to Americans by the millions in newspaper articles and TV-news scare stories every day. This myth, this hoax, this fraud is manipulating people around the world in movies and TV programming. This myth, this hoax, this fraud is being rammed down the throats of college students in science classes — and courses that have no connection to science or politics whatsoever. And this myth, this hoax, this fraud is perpetuated by all three major presidential candidates as fact, giving common-sense Americans no choice to reject Draconian, lifestyle-altering policy prescriptions that will strip us of our freedoms and our wealth.
I hate to throw a wet blanket on the occasion of this good news (that tens of thousands of scientists actively and publicly are rejecting the hoax, the myth and the fraud), but the hour is late. One of the greatest lies ever perpetrated on free people in the history of the world already is accepted in far too many quarters as truth, as reality.
Nevertheless, we must never stop speaking out. And I applaud Art Robinson’s dogged determination to get the truth out. He is an example of a real scientist — one who is not bought off by government grants awarded for the “right kind of research.”
Yet it is so distressing that the two remaining contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination, as well as Republican John McCain, buy this malarkey hook, line, and sinker. There may not be a scientific consensus about global warming, but by default, there is, tragically, a political consensus. Like so many other political issues of the day, it appears the people will be denied any opportunity to voice their opinions and weigh in on the policies already being drafted “to combat global warming” — global warming that doesn’t exist!
Actually, though, there is a way for you to sound off on the policies espoused by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain: Don’t vote for any of them. Reject them all! And be vocal about why you are doing so. If ever there were an election that demanded a vote for “none of the above,” the 2008 presidential election is it. When the politicians don’t give you a choice, don’t give them your vote. It’s that simple.
Global warming is not just a trivial side issue. It is clearly part of a concerted effort to steal your freedom and dispossess you of your property and to empower government to do whatever is necessary “to save the planet.”
The scientific verdict is in. Man-made carbon dioxide is not heating up the planet. Furthermore, there is nothing man can do to change the climate on a global scale — for good or bad. We are far too insignificant to make that kind of impact, even if we tried. So send them packing — not only the presidential candidates but also the congressional candidates who buy into this con job. Don’t subject your children to the indoctrination. Don’t support the propaganda efforts in the media — whether they come in the form of entertainment or “news.” It’s time to fight back on all fronts.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26706&page=1
Paul vs. Rove treatment is telling
6/3/2008 7:32:42 AM
Regarding the state Republican Party convention being held in Rochester, two facts are particularly telling: party leaders have refused to allow Congressman Ron Paul the opportunity to speak to the delegates, yet they specially invited “GOP strategist” Karl Rove to address them.
Agree with him or not, no one would dispute that Paul holds scrupulous ethics and consistent principles. In contrast, Rove is the poster child of all that is wrong with politics today — unethical, unscrupulous, and a cynical stop-at-nothing-to-win mentality. It speaks volumes about the party that it would snub Paul and honor Rove.
Yet more evidence of how far the once-proud and progressive Republican Party of Minnesota has fallen. Very sad.
http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=23&a=345712
Bush playing the fear card of big, scary Saddam?
Won a squeaker of a re-election.
Unending war in the Mid-East?
2 billion dollars a week to crony contractors.
4 dollar a gallon gas and record-breaking profits to Big Oil?
Priceless.
but it turns out that the Pentagon uses more oil than any other entity on the planet.
So I guess our troops should just walk everywhere. Have you ever packed a 120mm round for several thousand yards? I have a feeling our accuracy deploying said 120mm round will be quite a bit off, since they had to leave the M1A2 behind.
Why do you hate the military capn?
Sorry, Hank.
One doesn’t consult an Ouiji board to pick stocks.
And one doesn’t pay attention to a lunatic who actually believes the earth is only 8 thousand years old, particularly on matters of science . . .
Sol–
I don’t hate the military any more than your hero, Ron Paul, does.
Enough is enough.
In this case, it’s far too much.
So Capn’ which is it?
“the Pentagon uses more oil than any other entity on the planet.”
Or…
“there are only 35 countries (out of 210) in the world that consume more oil per day than the Pentagon.”
CapnAmerica
Posted June 3, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Sorry, Hank.
One doesn’t consult an Ouiji board to pick stocks.
And one doesn’t pay attention to a lunatic who actually believes the earth is only 8 thousand years old, particularly on matters of science . . .
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Sorry Capn, but the Climate Alarmists are already using the biggest ouiji board ever created, Computer Climate Models.
They are so inaccurate, they have to average the highs and lows, omit data they do understand nor know how to calculate to get the prediction (cough)that matches their data.
In most sciences, if calculations don’t match the data there is something seriously wrong with the method.
Even if we pulled them out of war zones, we have a huge armed forces. They will still consume heavily. Should they not train? Should they not have daily activities? What is it you are suggesting?
er
omit data they do NOT understand
What an eye for nits, you have, ANTI.
This is what I meant:
“Unsurprisingly, its oil consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the Pentagon the single largest oil consumer in the world.”
No, there are 35 countries that consume more oil than the Pentagon. Or do you want to change that statement to? What is you solution to this “horible” issue Capn’?
“What is it you are suggesting?”
I’m saying that the military is just too damn big. The cost of our military empire is cutting into our standard of living. Health care here for instance is pitiful compared to other industrialized countries. That is directly related to the costs we spend instead on our military.
Of course, we need a military. We just don’t need what we have now–a military empire with all the costs of maintaining an empire.
If we reduced our military costs to a reasonable level, somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 percent of GDP like other industrialized countries (England, France, South Korea), we’d cut our income taxes radically and free up a lot of capital for investment.
It’s entirely consistent with a libertarian view of government, btw.
Good morning Captain!
But. . . but, Capn,
How can you consistantly respond to my posts if you don’t ‘pay attention’ to me?
Nitwit
Writerdog I have to wonder if we were watching the same interview. O’rielly faced him down with his own words and showed him to be a shill for the left over and over again. The Ari Fletcher piece was very telling. He admitted that the run up to the war started in the Clinton administration and stayed constant in the Bush admin. He agreed with the president at the time of the war startup. He agreed that Iraq could have only gone to Niger after yellowcake just as the intelligence said at the time. His only comeback was that intel said not to use that in a public speech. His only comeback about Rove was that Rove said he had nothing to do with the release of Plames name. That has yet to be proved false.
What were you listening to?
It’s called “either/or” thinking, Hank.
“Either he reads my posts or he can’t respond.”
Wrong.
There’s a third possibility. I don’t read your posts, but I know what they say because it’s the same thing you said before about a hundred times . . .
That is directly related to the costs we spend instead on our military.
Just don’t pay attention to the othe $$$ black hole socialist programs we have. Just beat up on the military…
BTW, Hank, why don’t you convince us with all that good evidence that you have that the earth is only 8000 years old (instead of about 4.5 billion years old like the vast majority of geologists etc believe)?
Also, you might want to explain how in Genesis, God created a bunch of stuff on day one and two but didn’t create the sun until mid-week. How does one call something a “day” if there is no sun and no earth to revolve around the sun which is the definition of “day”?
Just ignore the fact that observed temperatures cannot be explained by natural forcings alone.
http://environment.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11649/dn11649-1_688.jpg
CapnAmerica
Posted June 3, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink
4 dollar a gallon gas and record-breaking profits to Big Oil?
Priceless.
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Got that wrong Capn. Don’t thank Bush just yet. That would be your would be president algore. He is almost to that $5 per gallon he called for back in the early 90’s. Give that boy a hand. He gives what he promises.
Now he and his buds are proposing thru the senate today to raise it even higher. Lets all get behind this bill.
The “black hole” socialist programs you speak of, Sol, are paid with special taxes–Soc. Security and Medicare.
The military takes its budget right out of our income taxes. Most of it goes to the military in fact.
Income tax is more and more simply a “war tax.”
“The cost of our military empire is cutting into our standard of living.”
Our congressional pork barrel programs and entitlements are “cutting into our standard of living”.
Social Security (& Other Entitlements) Are Outpacing Defense Spending.
“I recently had the pleasure of spending a bit of time around a few hundred young liberal activists (idiots, added). One refrain I heard over and over again was that the military-industrial complex in the United States was growing larger than it has ever been, taking into account the entire course of American history. Creeping toward totalitarian fascism, we apparently are.
Well, not quite. In fact, military spending is as high as it has ever been. But the American economy is also as high as it has ever been. As a percentage of the American economy, military spending today is not particularly outrageous:
In other words, as entitlements become 10%, then 11%, then 12%, then 13%, then 18%, then 20%, then even more of our economy, it will impair our ability to retain a military advantage over emerging threats, without much economic pain at home. Then again, maybe that’s actually another reason why the Democrats are so vested in allowing Social Security and other entitlement programs to grow into such a gargantuan portion of the American economy. They want to tie our hands behind our backs with Social Security (and Medicare, and Medicaid) rope, so we can’t afford to defend ourselves against Islamist terrorism.”
Okobs.
If you haven’t noticed, Algore (that seems to be the only way you CONs know how to spell it) hasn’t held any elected office since 2000.
Doesn’t even make good nonsense to blame him for anything . . .
Dear Capn,
If you are really interested in an explanation of Genesis I would be more than happy to meet with you sometime and discuss it.
Hank
Boxlock–
Your post has the illusion of evidence, but without the actual evidence part.
Show the actual statistics and maybe you’d have a point.
BTW, Social Security is the only government program that generates more income in taxes than it pays out. The only one.
So don’t blame “entitlements” for busting our budget and hurting our standard of living.
There’s only one cause for that: empire.
Great, Hank.
And since I’m not going to meet with you, why don’t you make that same deal for your “global warming is myth” crap?
I’ll gladly not meet with you to discuss that either, especially if you’ll quit spamming it here . . .
“They want to tie our hands behind our backs with Social Security (and Medicare, and Medicaid) rope, so we can’t afford to defend ourselves against Islamist terrorism.”
Well, you have figured out the SECRET Liberal agenda. We want to destroy the military and become Muslims. All of us have Muslim garb hidden in a special compartment in our closets, just waiting for the day that we can bring them out.
We also want to recruit for the Gay Agenda and become Socialist/Communists.
Then we are going to take away all your guns and melt them down to make some really nice candlesticks and picture frames.
Then we are going to ban all Christians and Jews.
Liberals are all secretly Muslim, gay, socialist gun hating atheists.
Ya’ figured it out. Congratulations.
Oh, hell, Clark. You weren’t supposed to tell.
How can it be our secret evil plan if you tell?
LOL! Funny stuff, dude, funny stuff.
outlander,
Short-term temperature trends fluctuate all over the place, due to ENSO, volcanoes, and other factors.
Look at the sharp drops (and rises) in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-7yr.jpg
You have to look at the long-term trend to see AGW.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Capn
AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT AND NOBEL PEACE LAUREATE: “… We have the first global warming bill in history that is comprehensive, bipartisan and that enjoys support across the country — from labor and agriculture to the business and the environmental communities. Of course the bill needs to be stronger, but it’s vital that Congress begin to act. While it’s important that people change their light bulbs, it’s even more important that we change the laws.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0229748720080602
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Like every bad politician he just can’t stop flapping his lip. You really should be more informed on the GW issue if you want to defend it.
Damn, Algore talks and mountains move, according to OKObs.
Just think what would’ve happened if he’d been President.
Instead we got a pResident . . .
As usual WS you haven’t done your homework. No gay muslims so you are stopped at square two.
And the part about banning Christians and Jews anyone who reads your daily posts knows that without you revealing it.
Okay, time to do something more productive . . . like watch “Jackass” on YouTube . . .
BlueJay, Hillary said she would concede.
“Boxlock–
Your post has the illusion of evidence, but without the actual evidence part.”
Heheheh. I think Colbert calls that “truthiness”.
What scares me is that if the libs had their way he would have been president and we would be living in grass huts, walking everywhere while watching his private jets overhead, eating what food we could raise on our little acre and never getting news because the price of electricity would be too high to have tv and cable anymore. The uninformed masses. Wasn’t that the plan of the communists nations. Think China, Venezuela, Cuba…
“The scientific verdict is in.”
From a bunch of people with no education or experience in climate science, who signed a card?
Poor Hank Price believes that signing a card is scientific methodology.
What is “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”? Like Venus?
‘Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/
“A large number of US scientists (to our direct knowledge: engineers, biologists, computer scientists and geologists) received a package in the mail this week. The package consists of a colour preprint of a ‘new’ article by Robinson, Robinson and Soon and an exhortation to sign a petition demanding that the US not sign the Kyoto Protocol. If you get a feeling of deja vu, it is because this comes from our old friends, the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and is an attempt to re-invigorate the highly criticised 1999 “Oregon Petition”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
The article itself is just an update of the original article, minus an author (Baliunas), with a switch of Robinson children (Zachary’s out, Noah is in), but with a large number of similar errors and language. As in previous case, this paper too, is not peer reviewed.”
Some errors in the OISM petition,
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=OISM
Funny stuff. Okie says there are no gay muslims. But…
If you google “gay muslims” you get 2,680,000 hits.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gay+muslims&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Once again, okie plumbs the depths of total ignorance.
Perhaps nathan could weigh in and say “they arent really muslims”.
I mean, since he can judge who is christian and who is not, I’m sure it wouldnt be much of a leap for him to judge who is truely muslim and who is not.
Capn why when anything resembling an adult discussion starts on this blog does the left runs to their hidey holes? You make assertions which are lame and when confronted with evidence to the contrary won’t stay to defend your lame statements.
heheheheheh
okobserver
Posted June 3, 2008 at 10:36 am
Paranoid much?
Who wants to bet okie has an underground bomb shelter/bunker stocked with canned beans and water going stale?
Oh yeah, and plenty of ammunition and guns. And a bible or two and some candles to read by.
hehehehehheheheheheheheheheheeh.
I wonder which will make him happier? When his survivalist fantasy DOESNT come true?
Or when it does?
BIG eye roll.
Actually Farmgrl it was a joke because if you ask a muslim he will tell you there are no gay muslims. Obviously you know differently. I guess I should have said there are no openly gay muslims to be factual.
“Your post has the illusion of evidence, but without the actual evidence part.
Show the actual statistics and maybe you’d have a point.”
Entitlement Spending Versus Defense Spending.
http://www.willisms.com/archives/2006/08/social_security_50.html
‘Officials: Clinton will concede delegate race to Obama’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD912LP0O1
“Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation’s first female president.”
Farmgrl why is it that the left can post crap all day long and I post a post taking potshots at an attempt at humor by WS and right away I am accused of being a survivalist with a fully stocked bomb shelter?
Not much hipocracy there huh?
No shelter, no bottled water, no food stock piled, but if todays vote on the GW sham goes through that might change.
Well, Capn,
Again, I don’t ever bring up my religion on this BLOG. Any time I do mention it it’s because some nitwit like you tries to use my faith as a way to dicredit me.
So, I’ll take your reluctance to meet with me as an admittance that your only interest in my faith is as a way to discredit me.
To use your logic, all I’d have to do is start agreeing with cosmos, start posting left-wing AGW crap and I’d be able to dicredit the IPCC!
Nitwit.
Okie, I think you have a problem with facts.
No openly gay muslims?
Then WTF is this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/world/europe/01berlin.html
I’m calling you ignorant because you obviously have NO CLUE about “the facts”.
Now that you have the facts? If you persist, then you are stupid, and not ignorant.
Ya know, ignorant can be fixed, but stupid, uh, not so much.
I know one very beautiful lesbian Muslim woman in Austin. Hehehehe. I know her veeerrrry well….
“Who wants to bet okie has an underground bomb shelter/bunker stocked with canned beans and water going stale?
Oh yeah, and plenty of ammunition and guns. And a bible or two and some candles to read by.”
Dammit farm girl!
Now I’ll have to go home and check my bunker to make sure Okie isn’t in it!
How’s you garden doing with all the storms up there?
If you believe this?
“What scares me is that if the libs had their way he would have been president and we would be living in grass huts, walking everywhere while watching his private jets overhead, eating what food we could raise on our little acre and never getting news because the price of electricity would be too high to have tv and cable anymore.”
Then you BETTER have a survivalist bunker prepared. Because the “libs” are going to take over in the next few years when the younger voters outnumber the dinosaurs.
And they will indeed probably ax SS, just about the time you are ready to collect!
Be careful what you ask for… you just might get it!
Thanks for asking Hank. I guess god looks out for drunks and fools, because despite a tornado and hail about a mile away, my farm was untouched. I didnt even have any branches down, and with all the damn chinese elms around here, THAT is unusual!
Garden’s doing great. Laying hens are doing great. My 100 little meat birds are doing great. Farmers Market days are not too far away.
And the bass and catfish are bitin’ on Downer Creek.
Life is good!
Oh yeah, I have two litters of baby kittens and my renter paid his pasture rent today.
The good times just keep rollin’!
Although my bunker isnt doing too well :(
I have two jars of tomatoes, three jars of pickled peppers, two jars of pickles and one jar of beets left. About ten pounds of rice and twenty pounds of beans.
Good thing I’ll be digging ‘taters and onions soon!
And we’re eatin’ all the eggs we can stand and fish we can catch!
Oh, and I forgot the twenty pounds of corn and about fifty pounds of meat in the freezer.
We may be po’ out here, but we eats good!
Hee hee hee!
And did I mention the CASE (minus two boxes) of twenty gage shells in the closet!
I’m just killin’ blue rock right now…
ksfarmgrrl, or is that ks-barnyard-grrl
Posted June 3, 2008 at 10:50 am |
“I know one very beautiful lesbian Muslim woman in Austin. Hehehehe. I know her veeerrrry well….”
Your intent is clear and intentional.
Disgustingly offensive and repulsive….just what I would expect from you.
And THAT is the type comment that proves the homosexual true agenda, base, lustful homosexual sex….not a meaningful relationship, yet they want it elevated to traditional marriage status.
Pervert
heheheheheheh.
Wow, you sure read a lot into that statement!
Now I know how to get your goat. In fact, if I didnt know better, I’d say you were tippy.
Jealous much?
“Boxlock” –
Do you keep Kosher?
OK O’Reily did not back McClellan down on anything, Scott pointed out exactly what the case was about the yellow cake. That our own CIA discounted the factuality of the Niger report that said they had an agreement. There were no facts that Iraq was going to Niger and acquiring yellow cake. It was implied by Yellow cake is the only export from Niger. Taking into account this same report had been circulating for many years and passed around through many countries intelligence agencies. Each one had either discounted it or said it was a forgery.
Even O’Reilly had to admit he was only able to get a couple of “blinks” out of McClellan.
Billo tried to back him down with Scott’s own words by implying what they meant and McClellan stood his ground and corrected O’Reilly.
McClellan’s book is as close I have found to what really did happen, Bush did not lie because he really did believe it. In spite of the evidence and reasonable questions to the contrary of what he believed.
That is no different then what I concluded two years ago and since I have been trying to point out when someone said “Bush lied!”. Bush& Co. main motivation for the invasion was not terrorism, oil or personal wealth. They are driven by an ideology, to spread Democracy through the use of force and intimidation.
Which in case you have not notice sound strangely familiar with Leon Trotsky’s concept of “perpetual Revolution”. This too is consistent with what I concluded five years ago.
Scott stated that Bush did have some notion of doing something about Saddam when he came to office.
But it was the members of the cabinet whom was pressing the issue, 9-11 finally pushed Bush into agreeing.
Again that is what I had concluded four years ago.
McClellan stated that Bush does not concentrate on the details and goes more from his gut. This in not new and has been established long ago and by Bush’s own admission.
The real value of his book is an insight not into the build up to the invasion, the plane affair or Rowe being an amoral person. It is a look at the man in the white house, McClellan did not sugar coat Bush but did not damn him either. He simple explains how the President is as he experience him and came to know him.
But more important in his book he is pointing out how bad things are and how this country will be destroyed by the Campaign mentality and the partisan politics that could not care less about the good of the country.
Only playing this mindless game of one-up-man ship.
O’Reilly wanted to use him to attack the left and the left wanted to use him to attack Bush.
But McClellan does try to keep both on the main topic. Long after Bush is out of office this country if God wills will still be here. That is unless people like you are so blind that you can not see how dangerous this partisan politics is. There are people on both side of it really are wanting to destroy this country to win for their own political sway. But what do you win by that, you will not have your country and they will not have theirs.
Both are losers and taking others down to the pits of Hell with them.
Boxlock,
You ever been to a night club?
proves the sexual agenda, base, lustful sex….not a meaningful relationship
“Because the “libs” are going to take over in the next few years when the younger voters outnumber the dinosaurs.”
You leave out one important aspect. Younger voters, DemLibs voters, grow up and become wiser and leave their foolish ways as they are forced to make their own way in the world. The few that don’t remain DemLibs and dysfunctional.
HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
“And THAT is the type comment that proves the homosexual true agenda, base, lustful homosexual sex….not a meaningful relationship, yet they want it elevated to traditional marriage status.
Pervert”
So… what do straight porn and swinger clubs say about straight marriage?
Disgusting. Pervert. Shows the true heterosexual agenda, base, lustful heterosexual sex…, not a meaningful relationship, yet they HAVE traditional marriage status.
Perverts.
Besides, I didnt marry Vida and we were both single.
I still say yer jealous. I know how people like you define “perverts”.
Anyone who’s gettin’ more than you!
Monkeyhawk
Posted June 3, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink
“Boxlock” –
Do you keep Kosher?
—–
I can’t speak for Boxlock, but I keep a big ass jar of Kosher pickles…they go great with ham.
I’ve heard Clark post about his romantic adventures too. I suppose that supports the heterosexual agenda?
Idiot.
You go Clark!
Hank Price posted June 3, 2008 at 10:49 am
“… and I’d be able to dicredit the IPCC!”
Actually, the IPCC does not do climate research.
Hank has to discredit all of the scientists listed in the references at the end of the chapters at
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
He can’t do that. But he can brag about a bunch of people who signed a card re “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”.
Whatever that phrase means. Venus?
Box,
Were you a virgin when you married?
“ANTI” chimes in –
“I can’t speak for Boxlock…”
And neither, apparently, can “Boxlock.”
“What scares me is that if the libs had their way he would have been president and we would be living in grass huts, walking everywhere while watching his private jets overhead, eating what food we could raise on our little acre and never getting news because the price of electricity would be too high to have tv and cable anymore”
OH ya! Well KFG tell him its not so bad living in a grass hut and eating what food you can raise on your little acres. Gee he makes it sound like a bad thing!
No kidding Dog! I love it out here, and the food I grow and process myself is so much better than the commercial crap. And did I meantion, in the fall, we feast on dove, qual, pheasant, and grain fed deer through the winter?
Seems like none of the fish make it to the freezer though, and the chickens are usually gone by January.
Hell, if I had a milk cow, I’d NEVER go to town!
Well, maybe for salt and shotgun shells twice a year…
Geez Monkey, if I had known that all it takes to get rid of boxlick was to post the truth about my romantic life…
…I’d a done it long ago!
“ksfarmgrrl” says –
“…if I had known that all it takes to get rid of boxlick was to post the truth about my romantic life…
…I’d a done it long ago!”
DAY-uhm!!!
So it’s your fault ol’ “Boxlock” has been poisoning this forum all this time!
;-)
You owe me a chicken dinner!
I hear ya, Farm Girl!
Cleaning out the pantry and freezers last weekend to get ready for our garden harvest and I found two jars of sand plum jelly Joyce put up summer before last!
Life is good!
“I can’t speak for Boxlock…”
And neither, apparently, can “Boxlock.”
Boxlock is laughing so hard it becomes difficult to type.
Why? Because you DemLibs, and the gay lesbian, remind me of a bunch of shameless seagulls all scrambling and shoving after the same dropped French-Fry I throw out.
It would embarrass anyone else, but such is your lot in life.
“McCain needs to come up with a one-sentence description for why he represents a clean break and a compelling future“.
I think I will take exception to that! Why if its the Republicans does it have to be one sentence? Is Brook implying that all Republicans are so stupid that we can not understand or think about more then one sentence? He think that all Republicans are knuckle dragging trogs in business suits? You can not judge all Republicans by the likes of O’Reilly or Hanity, some of us do speak in more than catch phrases, cliques or two second sound bites! WE can read! Most do not need for books to have pictures even and words that are nothing more then one syllables.
Which brings up an idea that might — just might — bring a modicum of civility to this little cyber community.
How ’bout a thread where each poster shares a favorite recipe?
I have my own approach to fried chicken, but I’ve heard “ksfarmgrrl” does it so good the chickens volunteer to die, just to be involved in the process.
I just did a batch of Italian meatballs (astoundingly easy) which had everyone asking me how to do it. (By this time, my “recipe” is so ingrained in my being, it was hard to share (i.e., “a half a handful of pepper, a little less salt, more parsley if it’s fresh or less when it’s dry…). Most decided just to ask them over next time I make ‘em.)
Everybody has their own barbecue secrets.
“Boxlock” could share his Kosher recipes.
I wonder what you could come up with combining “two jars of tomatoes, three jars of pickled peppers, two jars of pickles and one jar of beets left. Add about ten pounds of rice and twenty pounds of beans and fresh ‘taters and onions and you’ve probably got a big ol’ batch of Apocalypse Stew!
You can serve it at the Rehearsal Dinner!
Heh Monkey. As long as the stew doesnt have meat, since my betrothed is a vegetarian.
Perhaps we should call it the “When Hell Freezes Over” stew since that’s about when gay marriage will be legal in kansas….
Oh, and as for the chickens volunteering to die, you should taste my dove dishes. They fly INTO my line of fire and hover there while I take aim…
OK, outa here. I’m a goin’ fishin’ today!
Iraqis Protest Looming Pact with US
In Iraq, popular outcry is growing over a looming agreement that would help cement the US occupation of Iraq. On Friday, tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets to protest ongoing talks between the US and Iraqi government. The pact is expected by July. It would cover the future of US military bases, the powers of occupying US forces, immunity for US personnel, and control of Iraqi airspace. Over the weekend Iraqi government officials expressed reservations with some US proposals. A government spokesperson said the two sides have different “visions” so far. Iraq’s Foreign Minister says the Iraqi government will study agreements in Germany, Japan and Turkey that have kept US military bases there.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2/headlines
Phuck occupation, we’re takin this bit(h OVER !!!
US Tenders New Iraq Contracts
As the talks advance, the Bush administration continues to award lucrative long-term contracts for US companies in Iraq. The Washington Post reports the US has recently advertised several deals. One includes a call for “mentors” that would work alongside officials in Iraq’s Defense and Interior Ministries. A State Department deal would hire contractors to create a marshals service for the US-overseen Iraqi court system. And another deal indicates there will be a new US-run prison opening in September. Prospective contractors would be responsible for providing food for up to 5,000 prisoners and 150 employees.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2/headlines
See comment above…
Australia Begins Withdrawing Troops from Iraq
Meanwhile, the Australian government has begun to withdraw its troops from Iraq. On Sunday, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said Australian troops have ended combat operations. Rudd took office last year after promising to withdraw troops. Australia was one of the key early backers of the US-led invasion of Iraq.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2/headlines
Good on ya mate !!!
KFG- I’m gettin’ a word picture of you doing your farm stuff with a big ‘ole coonskin cap, or maybe dove skin cap on. ??
Israel Starts New Settlement Construction in Occupied Territories
The Israeli government has announced another new round of settlement construction in the Occupied Territories. Israel says it will build more than 800 new homes in Har Homa, a settlement outside East Jerusalem. Israel has previously agreed to halt settlement expansion under the US-backed Road Map. But it now claims the pledge only applies to those settlements it doesn’t ultimately want to keep. Israeli Interior Minister Meir Shitreet defended the new settlement expansion by citing biblical claims.
Israeli Interior Minister Meir Shitreet: “Har Homa is part of Jerusalem. It’s not a settlement. And one sometimes people are regularly forget Jerusalem is our capital, not since King David—Camp David, but since King David, so that claims that they cannot build in Jerusalem is totally nonsense. No one in the government of Israel ever stop building in Jerusalem.”
Israel has expanded settlements around Jerusalem since occupying it in 1967. Palestinian senior negotiator Saeb Erekat said Israel should choose between settlement expansion or peace.
Saeb Erekat: “We condemn the Israeli government decision to build 820 settlement housing units. This is a flagrant violation of the Annapolis process. This undermines our effort to continue with the peace process. And President Abbas today personally contacted all the members of the Quartet, and he launched a very strong protest, and he intends to put this issue tomorrow when he meets with [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert. This cannot stand. The government of Israel has the choice either to continue the settlement activity or to continue the peace process. It cannot have both.”
It’s at least the fourth time Israel has announced a major construction project in occupied territory since the US-brokered Annapolis summit late last year.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2/headlines
Following Bush’s lead…
Gitmo Judge Removed from Khadr Trial
Meanwhile, at Guantanamo Bay, the Pentagon has abruptly removed a judge who had ruled in favor of the imprisoned Canadian Omar Khadr. The judge, Army Col. Peter Brownback, was replaced Thursday after threatening to suspend Khdar’s trial unless military prosecutors hand over evidence. The Pentagon has not explained why he was replaced.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2/headlines
Hmmmmmm……
Lawyers: US Rushing 9/11 Trial to Coincide with ’08 Election
Lawyers for the alleged conspirators behind the 9/11 attacks are accusing the Pentagon of rushing the case to court to time it with the 2008 presidential campaign. In a new court briefing, the defense team for the four prisoners on trial with alleged mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed cite a prosecution document proposing to set the trial date for September 15th. That would come just ten days after Senator John McCain is expected to be officially nominated as the Republican nominee.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/30/headlines
Double hmmmmmmmmmmmmm….
Goodness! Where is this blog coming to this fine day? Everyone talking about hetero/sapphic sex; people asking about virginity, etc.
At least gay women don’t commit vile acts that cannot be described here. I guess they could indulge in another act that I hadn’t even heard of until 1999 – when I saw a film called “Edge of Seventeen.” (Former actor turned lawyer Chris Stafford bragged to The Advocate magazine that “straight America doesn’t know what’s going on there (in that scene of the movie).”
He’s right. I didn’t. And I was 40 years old at the time. And I’m good and freaking glad I didn’t know. Because it’s disgusting. Like something ol’ Fast-fart Freddie Phelps would make up. Evidently he didn’t make it up. And it freaked me the freak right out.
Speaking of justice and mercy, which were two traits that Christ exuded in abundance……
Why should two women be reviled, and my excretable ex be allowed to knock up again and again and again…until that little back boo-boo which put him away – languishing in a booze-soaked basement, drenched in his own festering urine? That’s a valid question in my view.
Two men befouling one another – that’s something else. If that makes me intolerant, so be it. I’m not the same starry-eyed innocent I was 10 years ago.
How many of us were virgins at the altar? ‘Course, I’ve never been married, so I probably can’t answer that question.
I’m just glad I’m not livin’ in the 16th century….standing before a jury of my parents and male relatives….fielding an inquisition of impropriety:
“Uncle! I can’t tell you that! I don’t WANT to tell you about the best 0.2 inches and 20 seconds of my life! It’s SICK!”
That’s sick all right – but not as sick as that scene from “Edge of Seventeen”……………
““Boxlock” could share his Kosher recipes.”
Thanks Monkeyhawk for the invitation to join in, even if it was tongue-in-cheek, I will still accept it as an invitation.
And Monkeyhawk, as well as ksfarmgrrl, SolDevVB, and others, I am more than willing to ‘live and let live’, in peace.
But, I will not compromise my beliefs and principals on marriage or other things just to get along.
None of us are perfect, all fall short, I have to accept that in myself and certainly try to with regards to others. But falling short is no excuse to lower the standard I believe in and strive for.
And if attacked or denigrated concerning those standards, I will push back, sometimes lacking that “modicum of civility” referred to.
Gander Mountain, the anchor of WaterWalk, continues to struggle:
Comparable store sales decreased 6.7 percent in the first quarter.
Net loss for the first quarter was $24.4 million, or $1.02 per share, compared to a net loss of $22.8 million, or $1.14 per share, in the first quarter of fiscal 2007.
http://news.morningstar.com/newsnet/ViewNews.aspx?article=/PR/20080603AQTU117_univ.xml
CapnAmerica,
This is now at least the 2nd time you have attacked my father or I on our faith since our agreement.
I have not said one thing to either you or Chas about being a Christian. I have stuck to the deal.
I simply want to point out that here you are once again, using my fathers faith to attack him when it was not even part of the subject.
Just don’t cry like the little liberal baby you are when I start questioning you on your faith or complete lack thereof Mr. Sunday School teacher.
…………..now you gone and done it, the marine-boy is getting all bent out of shape about defending his belief in an invisible sky god.
Apophis,
I have no problem answering any question or talking about my faith.
The point was that CapnAmerica spent a considerable amount of time crying about my pestering both him and Chas about being a Christian and we came to an agreement.
I am simply pointing out that he is still the one violating it.
My father has not brought up one thing about his faith here and CapnAmerica is using it to attack him.
…..ok then…………….
How old is the Earth marine-boy?
Apophis,
Now why would I dignify your question with an answer when you resort to calling me “marine-boy?”
Did anyone feel the ground shake for a split second after 12 noon?
Yep Wiseman — figured it was the jet engines from McConnell… LOL or else my cray ticker in tachycardia again…
Apophis — check out the “genetic science” Jacob uses to determine what color baby sheep/goats will be, by showing the mounted ewe/she-goat a colored panel in front of her face… LOL Good science there!! LOL
Hey boy,
Go check on the puppy.
From KFG:
“Garden’s doing great. Laying hens are doing great. My 100 little meat birds are doing great. Farmers Market days are not too far away.
And the bass and catfish are bitin’ on Downer Creek.
—
“Good thing I’ll be digging ‘taters and onions soon!
And we’re eatin’ all the eggs we can stand and fish we can catch!
—
“Oh, and I forgot the twenty pounds of corn and about fifty pounds of meat in the freezer.
—
“And did I mention the CASE (minus two boxes) of twenty gage shells in the closet!
I’m just killin’ blue rock right now…
—
“And did I meantion, in the fall, we feast on dove, qual, pheasant, and grain fed deer through the winter?
_________
We may not agree on a lot, but DAMN, that woman knows how to live. I’m genuinely jealous. Enjoy, KFG. Just leave a few dear for the rest of us, huh?
And the winner is….Obama, sorry BlueJay.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D912O5FG0&show_article=1
Marine-boy is an oxymoron.
You have to wonder about someone like Nathaniel, who insists that lies from an agricultural economist are credible science.
And also accuses me of “ad hominem” for pointing out that the lying economist is a liar.
An agricultural economist? Does he make plants grow by paying them? I suppose Nathan views an economist as an expert on climate change but keep in mind he also goes to a psychiatrist to get his car repaired. The boy is just plain retarded.
FF:
Hang in there–AT&T U-Verse will be here in the next 60 days!!!
Cosmos,
Where have I ever insisted “that lies from an agricultural economist are credible science?”
The only liar here is you. Almost everytime you post it is nothing but a complete mischaracterization of what someone has said.
All you can do is constantly twist and lie about what someone posts.
Then you sit here with the audacity to cry about being called on it?
MrC — I cant find your email address… Do you have a web site??
kctu.com… it’s on there somewhere :)
I posted this on the “Patterson” thread, but am reposting here with hopes that more will see it.
This is a brilliant column by a brilliant columnist, Anna Quindlen.
“The more likely you are to know someone who is gay, the more likely you are to support gay marriage. The opposition is aging out.”
http://www.newsweek.com/id/139423/page/2
I would challenge those opposed to gay marriage to read it.
HLP writes, “I don’t ever bring up my religion on this BLOG. Any time I do mention it it’s because some nitwit like you tries to use my faith as a way to dicredit me.”
Believing in the Bible is a matter of faith, yes.
Believing that the Bible says the Earth is only 8-10,000 years old is not faith. It’s heresy.
Believing that science proves the “young Earth” theory is not science, it’s hokum.
So . . . let’s boil this down to the simplest argument possible, a syllogism:
People who believe that science proves hokum lack the rationality to draw conclusions based on science.
Hank Price believes that science proves hokum.
Therefore, he lacks the rationality to draw conclusions based on science.
(Ditto for Nathan.)
Gentlemen, GENTLEmen…..
Really, now. (Didn’t livin’ in good ol’ Hays America do ANYthing for your gentility, M.P.???)
Enough with the NAMBLA allusions for one day (or for one eternity, now that I think about it).
Mr. Contro – What is AT&T uverse? I hadn’t heard about this! The problemo I have with getting my cable reinstated is that I’m working temporary jobs – and I sometimes have a 3-4 week lag between paychecks. Therefore, I haven’t been able to justify any additional expenditures at the present time. Unless I run out of mascara or Radiohead CDs or my replacement book of “Our Bodies, Ourselves” – I’ll make an exception for those.
The Eagle doesn’t want you to know about it… U-Verse is AT&T’s version of cable… internet protocol TV.
Bottom line: you pick what you want… for less than Cox.
I’ll spare you the science for now :)
Hey, thanks, Contro! I’ll need to look into that! I paid nearly $50 per month for Cox cable – and that was too much. If I had no other bills – like Revlon Extra-Strength Anti-Aging Elixir – it would be hunky-doraye.
But I miss having cable TV a whole lot! Antennas reek the rancid one!
CapnAmerica,
Believing what Genesis says is heresy?
Yet the crap you believe about Christ not being the key to salvation is just fine?
What backwards wacko liberal Church do you teach at CapnAmerica????
I just want to point out the complete hypocrisy from you here.
It is ok for you to attack my fathers faith, say what he believes is heresy, yet when I question yours or Chas’s claim to be Christian I am the one being judgemental and wrong?
What a complete total crock of BS.
Please never cry like a little baby ever again about my questioning your claim to be a Christian or Chas’s ever again.
Nathaniel posted June 3, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Where have I ever insisted “that lies from an agricultural economist are credible science?
The only liar here is you. Almost everytime you post it is nothing but a complete mischaracterization of what someone has said.
All you can do is constantly twist and lie about what someone posts.”
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Nathan posted Avery’s lies here,
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-913/#comment-187018
and here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-915/#comment-185927
I debunked Avery here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-915/#comment-186064
Nathan then posted:
“I see you are still posting to the same old link…
Don’t you have any new tricks or is that all you can do when I post links to credible peer reviewed scientists who do not agree with the concensus?”
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That sure looks to me like Nathan was insisting that Avery’s lies were credible science.
If anybody wants to claim belief in the Young Earth superstition, then it should be up to that person to put up some kind of scientiic proof… since nearly the entire world sees that as religious propaganda…
FF: You might try DirecTV — 1-800-DIRECTV… They have some reasonble prices…
Another interpretation of Genesis by a Jewish scholar (remember, the Old Testament is the Jewish Torah)
“15 billion or six days?
Today, we look back in time. We see 15 billion years. Looking forward from when the universe is very small — billions of times smaller — the Torah says six days. They both may be correct.
Six million million days is a very interesting number. What would that be in years? Divide by 365 and it comes out to be 16 billion years. Essentially the estimate of the age of the universe. Not a bad guess for 3300 years ago.”
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
Chas:
Wait for AT&T… they’ll blow DirecTV away.
In fact, IPTV will probably blow satellite away within 10-15 years.
Pretty cool Ben. I’ve heard several explanations kind of like that as well. Ever heard of a Christian Jew? Didn’t get the time I needed to to get all the background, but it relates to time too. The bouncing ball theory? Anyway, if you get the free cycles, check it out.
Writerdog writes:
“The real value of his book is an insight not into the build up to the invasion, the plane affair or Rowe being an amoral person.”
You and I must have watched two different interviews. I don’t remember anthing that you described and I didn’t hear anything about a plane affair and who the heck is Rowe?
Chas
Posted June 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink
If anybody wants to claim belief in the Young Earth superstition, then it should be up to that person to put up some kind of scientiic proof… since nearly the entire world sees that as religious propaganda…
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Not my argument Chas but when does anyone on this blog right or left have to give proof of anything they post? Are there two sets of rules?
Chas
Posted June 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink
If anybody wants to claim belief in the Young Earth superstition, then it should be up to that person to put up some kind of scientiic proof… since nearly the entire world sees that as religious propaganda…
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Still wanting to prove the Bible scientifically eh Chas? Some Minister you are…
I don’t believe in a young theory, primarily because I was raised not all things from the Bible can be interpreted literally and we cannot know what one day was in God’s time. There is no way for us to know actually.
Of course, a billion years is meaningless to me as well because it is a number of years I cannot begin to comprehend except as a number set.
Regular ignornatly posts:
“Still wanting to prove the Bible scientifically eh Chas? Some Minister you are…”
NO IDIOT… just the opposite… I maintain it cannot be proven scientifically… but you either refuse to read what I posted, or you just want to Flame a little… LOL… what a numb nuts!!
Yeah right Chas, that’s why you called it “religious propaganda.”
The only flamer here is you Brother Chas and always has been.
Yep I did call proving the Bible scientifically “religious propaganda” Want to show where that is a false statement??
Naw Chas, I don’t argue with a self-apol”o”gizing hypocrites.
Regular — the Bible isnt a scientific book… How can you call me a hypocrite?? Thats your specialty!!
Boeing has been ordered to pay half a bil. in a contamination lawsuit against Rockwell Collins, for a plant that was closed yrs. before Boeing bought the satellite bus.
Rockwell Collins meanwhile gets out scott free!
They must have seen Phil Condit and Harry Stonecipher coming. Can’t these guys even read the notes to the financial statements before they buy a company?
Not sure what the Rocky flats nuc. facility had to do with the satellite bus.
Phantom – it’s called due diligence. Something they apparently neglected to do.
Dem Strategist on FNC: Rumored Michelle Obama ‘Bombshell’ May Drop Wednesday
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=106583
Lot on news breaking:
Hillary told a group in N.Y. she was willing to be VP.
The Priest from the latest video has be order from his duties by the arch-bishop.
Both the Priest and Bill Clinton make the excuse for their comment by saying they did not know they were being record.
And Ok is watching a TV. that picks up channels from another Galaxy, otherwise he would have heard about both the flying over New Orleans and the outing of Valerie Plame which I hit the “N” instead of the “M” and did not catch it before posting. But either way it was plain what I meant. Now since I have seen his name spelled both ways with a V and a W Karl Rove and his involvement in the outing of Valerie Plame was discussed along with the claim and dispute as to Rove’s involvement O’Reilly wanted to focus and do damage control on the build up to the invasion along with try to discredit McClellan
W D — OKOB looks for any little thing that he/she thinks will Flame… ignore those posts whenever possible…
“Rumored Michelle Obama ‘Bombshell’ May Drop Wednesday”
You know better and I think that you are better than that, Outlander. There is no bombshell – at least for the more intelligent individual.
It is a deliberate distortion and they keep “delaying” the release of this video to milk the publicity.
This doesn’t even rise to Swiftboat levels of political propaganda – it is just garbage.
I wonder what the bombshell will be WS? Do you think that is the reason Hillary is hanging around?
Hey, don’t blame me. Democrat Bob Beckel is the one spreading it around.
What video?
Chas,
And if someone wants to claim to be an alleged Christian Minister on this blog and act as an authority on the subject, they should have to provide some sort of proof as well.
So, Chas, alleged Christian minister who is not a Christian.
Care to provide any proof that you are a minister or answer the most basic questions about being a Christian now?
Believing what Genesis says is heresy?
No, Nathan, believing some 19th century nutcase’s interpretation of Genesis (counting the “begats”) is heresy.
But then, you already knew that . . .
The “bombshell” is a video of her delivering a speech where she uses the term “why’d he……” multiple times regarding George WMD Bush.
Say it fast and you’ll catch it.
Ben,
From your link, also:
“Let me clarify right at the start. The world may be only some 6000 years old. God could have put the fossils in the ground and juggled the light arriving from distant galaxies to make the world appear to be billions of years old. There is absolutely no way to disprove this claim. God being infinite could have made the world that way.”
CapnAmerica,
Who is this 19th centry nutcases interpretation that you think my father and I believe?
And, no, I didn’t already know that.
So tell me CapnAmerica, what parts of the Bible do you believe since you dismiss almost the whole book anyhow?
I’ve been hearing rumors of this “bombshell” for several weeks now.
Does it exist? I don’t know. But they sure talk like it does.
And it is not the Clinton campaign behind this, so you Obama supporters don’t need to blame her.
This has been staple on con radio for awhile.
A good reason for Senator Clinton to hold her delegates until August. It’s always good to have a back up plan.
Clinton says she’s open to being Obama’s VP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/clinton
“On a conference call with other New York lawmakers, Clinton, a New York senator, said she was willing to become Obama’s vice presidential nominee if it would help Democrats win the White House, according to several participants in the call.”
Talk about a VP you wouldn’t want to have. With her talk about waiting for Obama to be assassinated last week, if she is his VP she might just be the one to do it herself…
………………the marine-boy is wallowing in his “christian” self pity.
How pathetic.
Apophis,
And here is our resident “teacher” doing nothing more than adding his usual crap to the discussion.
I pray for the youth of America if you are an example of what is teaching them.
The rumor is that Obama was found funneling aid to terrorist organizations, a felony under federal law and is being investigated by the FBI.
At least that’s what the latest rumor mill is saying on unreliable.com
(chortles)
……marine-boy, I leave faith and “beliefs” out of my classroom. I teach real science, that’s it.
I just love to point out how asinine you and your father really are.
I’ve always considered it “stress relief”!
Like your backward daddy says, “it’s like shooting fish in a barrel!”.
Well the shoe just fell. He has strong pro palestinian ties as late as 1999. This can’t be good for Obama. Pictures and tape.
Who is “he”, okobserver?
He was a regular attender of pro-palestinian events, spoke at same and raised money for same. Can’t be good for our boy. He does look good in the picture though.
okobserver, I presume you have credible sources?
Apophis I realize from observation that you appear to be an instructor in a public school so only for you. Obama who was referenced in the following sentence. The video the whole world was waiting on today.
Yeah about as safe as being Cheney’s hunting partner huh Nathan? har har har.
okobserver, this just sounds like typical reichwing garbage.
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put up or shut the f*** up!
My credible source is my own eyes. I just saw it on FOX news. That is why it is the runaway best news source. They show all of the news and not just selected parts. But for you CNN fans it will probably be on later tonight or tomorrow.
Apophis I can only be glad that you will not be teaching my children anything. Most educators have sufficient language skills that they don’t have to resort to the levels you do.
FOX (faux) news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…………that’s a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KISS MY AS* okobserver!
When you haven’t the intelligence to refute something rationally then resort to the level you are most familiar with.
………………….whatever okobserver!
YOU have as much credibility as the price family, regular (and his nics)!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get over yourself loser.
I understand Apophis. If you don’t agree with you and the left then you are wrong. Got it. And you are an educator. Scares me to death.
Confirmed, this story is breaking on Fox news.
This is Fox News………………
“Barack Obama Is Not a Christian” By Cal “the Cadaver” Thomas.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/02/barack-obama-is-not-a-christian/
And this is Thomas’ rationale………….
“I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”
God damned heathen………………………
I am sure that Nathan and Hank would approved of this column.
I’m glad it “scares you to death”!
I mold the minds that will run this country one day.
That should be reassuring to the majority of the country!
You reichwingers should be very afraid!
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Damn Cal Thomas sounds just like Nathan!! LOL Another Jokester, eh??
Regular: If everyone who donated to what is now called terroritst cells were put on trial, half of New England would be in jail. Remember the I.R.A., those cutesy Irish guys who killed hundreds of English and Irish civilians (read Protestants), scored a biggie by killing the Queens Uncle, Louis Mountbatten and regularly blew up parts of the “CITY” where the UK has it’s business heart? Then they tried to kill Maggie Thatcher during a Tory convention by blowing up the wing of the hotel in which she was staying, while the leader of the political wing of the IRA was being received at the White House. Seems he can’t go there now though. Can we define which pro-Palensine ties are bad? Hell, maybe we’re talking the Red Crescent for all we know.
Get a load of this video…. Look familiar to anybody?? LOL
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/behind-the-obam.html
Nathaniel,
Was I wrong about you insisting that lies from an agricultural economist are credible science?
Cosmos,
Yes. Of course. As usual you do nothing but twist what someone says and then argue against it.
What was the lie that Avery said and that I posted?
I have asked you this before and I don’t believe you ever answered.
Jason “Molotov” Mitchell has a nice looking rifle anyhow.
And, I am not a jokester.
Chas,
You say that my father and I must prove our belief that the Genesis story is true.
Well, when are you going to start proving that you are actually a Christian or that you are a minister?
Apophis,Posted June 3, 2008 at 6:00 pm |
I’m glad it “scares you to death”!
I mold the minds that will run this country one day.
That should be reassuring to the majority of the country!
You reichwingers should be very afraid!”
But Oedipus I’m not afraid, because I have confidence in the kids, and of another very major factor you are to dim to even realize, but I’m sure your students do or will.
You are a crappy, weak, bonehead teacher who they will hold no respect for longterm.
They’ll look back and wonder why the system couldn’t have supplied someone more capable, instead of wasting their time with you.
Well, Nathan — if you insist on using Genesis as your proof for that Young Earth superstition, then yea, you need to come up with some kind of evidence for it… Try reading the whole post that was made earlier, in reference to the Talmud scholars… I believe you quoted just one paragraph…. And from there on, the article goes mostly against what you claim… So, those of us who want you to prove that arent asking you to divulge personal information…. like you keep badgering me to do…
Nathan, that is harassment…
“Nathaniel” –
Do you keep Kosher?
MonkeyHawk,
Do you like to fondle little boys?
BTW, we have been through your BS before… You know I am a Christian, because I SAID I AM A CHRISTIAN…
Words dont prove it… any more than they prove you are a Marine…
Chas,
Answering some very simple questions about Christ is not personal information Chas.
Why do you hide from such easy questions?
I don’t think a real minister or a real Christian would hide from such obvious questions like you do.
Way to go Nathaniel with your response to Monkey.
His “Do you keep Kosher?” is loaded of course, and he’s the only one who thinks no one will figure out what he’s doing. Idiots are just that I guess.
Nathaniel,
Are you unable to read?
I gave you my debunk link re Avery’s lies in my 3:15 pm post upthread.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-63/#comment-362353
D-O events are not global warming.
Past temperature fluctuations caused by solar variations do not prevent AGW.
The scientists Avery lists, who researched D-O events and solar variations, AGREE with the AGW consensus. Avery falsely implies that they disagree. Avery falsely claims that their research refutes AGW.
Keeping kosher is also slang for ‘are you legitimate.’
MonkeyHock deserves any comments he gets thrown his way.
“a number of prominent early Christian Church Fathers including Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Augustine, did not believe the Genesis account depicted ordinary solar days and read creation history as an allegory as well as being theologically true”
From Wiki.
Oh, my . . . Augustine is not Christian, according to St. Nathan.
Read Jack Cashill’s essay on the man behind the curtain in corrupted Kansas government – abortionist quack George Tiller.
See news page
http://www.kfl.org/SiteResources/Data/Templates/templateb.asp?docid=971&DocName=The%20Man%20Behind%20the%20Curtain%20-%20June%203,%202008
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Meanwhile, Bilious Sebelius keeps changing and elaborating her “story” about how Kansas taxpayers got stuck paying for steak and lobster and booze at Cedar Crest for several abortionist quacks and their killer associates.
See news page
www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/jun/03/state_not_paid_quickly_tiller_reception_cedar_cres/
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Albert Debelbot, 24, and his wife, Ashley, 23, of Columbus, GA were taken into custody Monday on a murder charge, after doctors determined their 3-day-old baby girl died from blunt-force injuries.
It is really quite a newsy day. Here is a story about the darling dictator of the American left doing what dictators do.
“CARACAS, Venezuela: President Hugo Chávez has used his decree powers to carry out a major overhaul of this country’s intelligence agencies, provoking a fierce backlash here from human rights groups and legal scholars who say the measures will force citizens to inform on one another to avoid prison terms.
Under the new intelligence law, which took effect last week, Venezuela’s two main intelligence services, the DISIP secret police and the DIM military intelligence agency, will be replaced with new agencies, the General Intelligence Office and General Counterintelligence Office, under the control of Chávez.
The new law requires people in the country to comply with requests to assist the agencies, secret police or community activist groups loyal to Chávez. Refusal can result in prison terms of two to four years for most people and four to six years for government employees.”
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/03/america/03venez.php
“Way to go Nathaniel with your response to Monkey.”
Monkey Hawk’s question was obviously in regard to Biblical admonishments – most of which are no longer followed.
So as a response, Price suggests that Monkey Hawk is a pedophile and Box congratulates him for it, and McCluer chimes in with the usual bullshit.
I would say that is mighty Christian of all three of you – you should be real proud of yourselves.
Intent is everything, MonkeyHock’s intent was malignant and malicious.
“malignant and malicious”
And Price’s intent was honorable?
We have had this discussion, suggesting that someone is a pedophile is damned disgusting.
those who roll in the mud…
I stand corrected–the wack-o lived in the 1600’s–not the 1800’s. So, it’s not fair to ridicule the man given the lack of geologic knowledge they had at the time.
“The Ussher chronology is a 17th-century chronology of the history of the world formulated from a literal reading of the Bible by James Ussher, the Anglican Archbishop of Armagh (in what is now Northern Ireland). The chronology is sometimes associated with Young Earth Creationism, which holds that the universe was created only a few millennia ago. . . .
“Ussher deduced that the first day of Creation began at nightfall preceding Sunday October 23, 4004 BC, in the proleptic Julian calendar, near the autumnal equinox.”
“those who roll in the mud…”
Not acceptable as an excuse. The usual name calling is one thing, but to accuse or suggest that some is a pedophile crosses the line.
Pedophilia is so disgusting that pedophiles have to be segregated in prison from the general population so that your garden variety murderers, thieves and drug dealers don’t kill them.
We don’t exactly comport ourselves with the utmost civility on this blog – and that includes me – but those suggestions from Price regarding MonkeyHawk are even too low for the non-existent standards of WEBlog.
Good point, Clark.
MH’s asking a question, even if meant to irritate, was no cause for Nathan to come back with a nasty insinuation of a heinous crime.
What is it with the right-wing that accusing someone of child molestation is amusing and witty to them?
Christians, indeed.
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Oh, and gmc, for dove season I like a Remington 1100 .410, and for quail and pheasant, I like my Browning side by side .20 gauge.
I let others shoot the deer, since I dont have a rifle bigger than a .22, but I do help butcher…
Asking Nathan if he keeps kosher cannot be construed as calling him a mamzer by the wildest stretch of imagination.
Obviously, it was MH’s effort to point out the inconsistancy that if one ignores so much of the Old Testament (the dietary laws), how can one then conclude that the rest is “inerrant”?
check out the link
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2232
As conservative Baptist scholar David P.Gushee described, in an address given at the Andover-Newton Theological Seminary, in Andover Massachusetts, during the summer of 2006, there are many troubling similarities between the narrative of cultural despair and cultural complaint that prevailed in Germany of the 1930’s and corresponding narratives of cultural despair and complaint that have been on the rise in America in recent decades:
“It was this cultural despair–a toxic brew of reaction against secularism, anger related to the loss of World War I, distress over cultural disorientation and confusion, fears about the future of Germany, hatred of the victorious powers and of those who supposedly stabbed Germany in the back, and of course the search for scapegoats (mainly the Jews)–that motivated many Germans to adopt a reactionary, authoritarian, and nationalistic ethic that fueled their support for Hitler’s rise to power. A broadly appealing narrative of national decline (or conspiratorial betrayal) was met by Hitler’s narrative of national revenge leading to utopian unity in the Fuhrer-State.
Conservative American evangelicals in recent decades have been deeply attracted to a parallel narrative of cultural despair. Normally the story begins with the rise of secularism in the 1960s, the abandonment of prayer in schools, and the Roe decision, all leading to an apocalyptic decline of American culture that must be arrested soon, before it is too late and “God withdraws his blessing” from America. While very few conservative evangelicals come into the vicinity of Hitler in hatefulness, elements similar to that kind of conservative-reactionary-nationalist narrative can be found in some Christian right-rhetoric: anger at those who are causing American moral decline, fear about the future, hatred of the “secularists” now preeminent in American life, and the search for scapegoats. The solution on offer–a return to a strong Christian America through determined political action–also has its parallels with the era under consideration.”
In Germany of the 1920’s the key purported villains behind an alleged national, cultural and moral decline were the same as today in America of the early 3rd millennium: liberal Jews, socialists, liberals, gays, artists and those in society who follow non-conventional lifestyles and cleave to non-conventional, leftist politics. Germany in the 1920’s was culturally one of the most liberal, permissive societies on Earth, but that changed radically–and in a breathtakingly short period of time–with the rise of Nazism.
Pastor John Hagee professes, with great apparent sincerity, even to tears, to love Jews. But Hagee also promotes, in his sermons and literature, conspiracy theories that trace back, in their lineage, to “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” and Henry Ford’s “The International Jew”. How, then, can these clashing views of John Hagee be reconciled ? One answer comes, in the form of a question, from the account of Henry Ford and Rabbi Frankel – what is the nature of friendship and what is the nature of love ? Another answer comes from the field of criminology, which recognizes : love, hate and murder are, all too often, tragically, not far apart…….
Although in his defense, Capn’, I am pretty sure that Nathan does NOT boil kids in milk.
Wow. Nice guns, KSFrm.
Very old school.
Hitting doves with a .410 takes real skill.
LOL, Clark.
Or sell his daughter into slavery . . .
Clark, it’s funny that on the way home today, I was thinking about bigotry and rfl’s constant insistence that I somehow prefer to live among bigots here.
I was going to post something about how contradictory it is that almost EIGHTY percent of folks here voted in favor of the hate amendment.
And yet…
Over 200 folks over three public meetings showed up to defend me and my board when I was about to be fired, essentially for being gay and not hiding it.
It’s easy to hate those eeeevil faceless gays they dont know.
It’s harder to hate one of their own who grew up here, and someone they know so well.
So.. your article is exactly right. The more gay folks show themselves, despite the ever present dangers of assault, murder, and firing, the more accepting people are of gay marriage.
SO.. as the late great Harvey Milk said:
“Come out, come out wherever you are. Your life depends upon it.”
Silence equals death.
If MonkeyHock had a straight forward question or remark, then he should have been man enough to say it.
Instead, he uses deception and inuendo to spew personal attacks.
No one is fooled by his arrogant ploy.
Only fools would defend MonkeyHock’s action as they are despicable and a worthless endeavor to degrade an honorable person such as Nathan.
But hey, it’s what you Libs do right? You’re known for it.
Hee hee hee…
And how could anyone read the joyful account of my life and gmc’s praise of it and NOT understand why I cant leave this farm…
KFGrrl,
My grandfather told me that if I got a ball bearing and wrapped some nylon stocking around it, a .410 could be used as a deer rifle.
Needless to say, I never tried that, nor would I recommend it!
Well captain, the 12 gauge turns the little birds inside out, and the side by side is too much iron for me to pack around on all day dove hunts!
I’ve had those guns for a long time. HEE HEE. I got custody of them in my divorce almost 30 years ago.
I got a good trade :) One asshole husband gone, and some great guns in the cabinet!
“Monkey Hawk’s question was obviously in regard to Biblical admonishments – most of which are no longer followed.”
Old Testament vs New Covenant that even Monkey should understand, yet he kept throwing the same crap question at me earlier, it didn’t warrant even responding too. He’s not asking an honest question, he is setting a simpletons trap that everyone can see through, but he just keeps it up ad-nauseum.
If he wants to know, or state, something he should be honest and not lie around hiding in the grass like a snake.
BTW, I dont exactly run a B and B (bed and breakfast) during hunting season, it’s more like a C and C (cot and coffee).
But if any of my bloggie buddies wanna come here to hunt, you can find me at yahoo. Send me an email.
Hell reg, even you could sit with a gun and wait for the doves to come to water at sunset…
It’s good to be a “local” for permission purposes!
HEHE, Boxlock’s head must be about to explode–Radical liberals discussing their love for guns . . . Can’t reconcile the contradiction . . . pressure building, building . . .
Okay, that’s enough work for one day.
Heigh ho, heigh ho, it’s off to home I go . . .
“My grandfather told me that if I got a ball bearing and wrapped some nylon stocking around it, a .410 could be used as a deer rifle.”
OMG, I’m HOWLING about that!
Sounds like some of my buddies out here. Are you sure your family isnt from Trego County?
hehehehhehehehehehehehehhehehe!
A bit of an amusing story that has relevancy…….
A while back, my son would frequently talk about a friend of his at work. He went to his house a number of time. One day, my son told me that (X) would be dropping by our house.
When I went to answer the door, there was a young black man standing there. He stuck out his hand and said “Hi, I’m (X).”
Later, I asked my son why he hadn’t mentioned that (X) was African American. My son replied, a bit to my embarrassment, “It never occurred to me.”
My son grew up around black people, unlike me, so the issue of race wasn’t even something that occurred to him to mention.
The same will happen as more and more gay people lead more public lives openly gay.
As time passes, this younger generation will shed the prejudices of their elders, much as I shed the prejudices of my elders.
Unfortunately, they will have a bunch of stupid laws and amendments to repeal.
There’s wild turkey a few miles from here too. I just havent had time to hunt them.
Crappie, channel cat, walleye and bass out the wazoo at Cedar Bluff. I’d recommend fishing there soon though before Russell and Hays drain it down to the “dead pool”.
“Dont it always seem to go that you dont know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone…”
He grew up in Yoder, Reno County . . . when Yoder was a lot more rural, KsFrmGrrl.
Oh and guess what? I support gun control laws, and never worry that anyone’s gonna take my guns away.
BOO!
Damn, Ms. Grrl, you keep telling these stories about your farm life, making us all jealous!
Clark, you are so right. And good for your son.
One of my pals from Las Vegas came to visit a couple of years ago and brought his then 16 year old son.
When asked what he thought of the place, he said “weird.” He asked “Dad, where are all the black and brown people?”
He thought it was “weird” that there was only one black and one hispanic family in town.
hehehehehehehehe. Out of the mouths of babes.
Well Clark, you are welcome to visit any time. As the song goes, we could “lay around the shanty, and get a good buzz on”.
“I’ve had those guns for a long time. HEE HEE. I got custody of them in my divorce almost 30 years ago.
I got a good trade :) One asshole husband gone, and some great guns in the cabinet!”
I’d bet my safe full of guns the ‘asshole husband’ got the better deal in that divorce, even losing the guns.
Hum….that brings up an interesting ’cause and effect’, ‘chicken or the egg’ which came first question.
Lesbian then divorce, or divorce then lesbian???
Boxlock
Posted June 3, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink
You are a crappy, weak, bonehead teacher who they will hold no respect for longterm.
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This is where you are so in error boxtop!
I have many former students who are now Doctors, engineers, bankers, HR Specialists, educators, etc. Many attribute their desire to succeed directly to me. Deal with it!
Dream that impossible dream boxtop, I am not going away!
I will continue to mold the leaders of tomorrow!
Nathaniel…
I also challenged you re Avery at the top, and several other places in the Sep 18 2007 ‘Open’.
And gave you more info about Avery’s lies.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-918/#comment-184558
unstoppable-hot-air/
You seem to have read those posts, because you asked me a dumb question — but you refused to reply to my challenge.
Like I said, Nathaniel insisted that an agricultural economist’s lies were credible science.
“I’d bet my safe full of guns the ‘asshole husband’ got the better deal in that divorce, even losing the guns.”
I would make a comment on the stupidity and slander of that comment, Box Head, but I am sure that Ms. Grrl can take care of herself.
Hell, I bet she could whip your ass in a fistfight.
Boxlock = one sad, sorry, excuse for a Lutheran
Mary_Caruso
Posted June 3, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink
I took one of my patients to the doctor yesterday for a non-healing surgical wound that has opened up. The doctor prescribed a debriding ointment that will help his wound heal. He has Medicare, BC/BS, AND Medicaid…this ointment isn’t covered by any of them, it costs $63 for a small tube. He had $50 in his pocket until his next check comes, and after he pays his rent and buys food, he’ll have about $100 to last the rest of the month. So he has no choice but to go without the ointment…if the wound doesn’t heal, the expense for his treatment will get a lot higher.
Something’s got to change, folks.
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What’s the name of the ointment Mary? If I can’t get it, I’ll pay for it for the old gent.
“Dream that impossible dream boxtop, I am not going away!
I will continue to mold the leaders of tomorrow!”
You are a hero or legend in your own mind….only.
That’s only what you wish boxtop!
ChasPosted June 3, 2008 at 7:58 pm
“Boxlock = one sad, sorry, excuse for a Lutheran”
Chas,
I have simply decided not to take any crap off of you or any on the rest of the very DemLib/socialists, agnostics or atheists, and will push back however hard I need to.
And you, by the way, are a complete hypocrite of a ‘minister’ or ‘pastor’ or whatever you fancy yourself as.
You are one that leads them astray as in Isaiah 9:16, “Those who guide these people lead them astray. Those who are guided by them will be destroyed.”
and Proverbs 28:10
“Whoever causes the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.”
Chas, you are “one sad, sorry, excuse” for whatever you call yourself if it has anything to do with the ministry.
Heh Clark. Boxlick is too stupid to live, must less to warrant a response. And he/she is a lutheran?
Jesus Wept! My parents must be rolling in their graves… to know boxlick is what their church has come to!
That is downright shameful Mary.
Unfortunately all too common in our nation.
Thanks, Reg…it’s called Accuzyme, and it’s for debreding non healing wounds. But it’s OK now, I talked to the doctor today and told her the problem, she was able to prescribe Santyl..which basically does the same thing and Medicaid will pay for it.
It was very generous of you to offer, though.
Are we waiting on the new Democratic Nomination thread before we start talking about it?
That’s just the way it is today, PMom. The drug and insurance companies seem to have taken over healthcare..if one can’t afford it, to hell with them…that’s their attitude.
I saw in the paper that some insurance companies refuse to cover women who’ve had C-sections.
They’re all in it for the money..it has nothing to do with providing quality care…they only want to cover the people who don’t get sick or have any complications.
Mary_Caruso
Posted June 3, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink
Thanks, Reg…it’s called Accuzyme, and it’s for debreding non healing wounds. But it’s OK now, I talked to the doctor today and told her the problem, she was able to prescribe Santyl..which basically does the same thing and Medicaid will pay for it.
It was very generous of you to offer, though.
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Well, I know what it is like having non-healing wounds, had them before. Was near death, didn’t have a vein on my body that worked for drawing blood and I guess blood pressure was hard to get as well. I was in a miserable state.
Hope that other medicine works for him.
“Boxlock” quotes –
Isaiah 9:16…
and
Proverbs 28:10…
Which prompts the question:
Do you keep Kosher?
“My parents must be rolling in their graves… to know boxlick is what their church has come to!”
Your parents may be rolling in their graves but not over anything connected to me…now their daughter, that’s a whole other question.
Whats the matter Boxlock, you can dish it out, but cant take it, eh?? You push back all you want… You will still be a sad sorry excuse — as a person!! Since you obviously dont understand any better than Nathan, that there are all kinds of different Christians in this world…
And I sure the hell aint one of yours!! Hallelujah!!
And it is over, let the healing and the uniting begin.
AaaMen Clark!!
Monkey,
I rarely read much of your posts, probably because every time I see your nic come up all I can think about from the quality of past posts are those chimps, or baboons, with the grotesque, bulbous, hemorrhoidal asses and I think of you and simply scroll over them.
So sorry.
“Boxlock,” defender of the faith, says –
“Old Testament vs New Covenant….”
Oh! I see.
Now just what was it Jesus said about homosexuality?
(Chapter and verse, please)
What is it with this “keeping kosher”? Is this some kind of Jewish holiday? Is “keeping kosher” some kind of code for asking; are you Jewish?
There are several meaning of ‘keeping kosher’ outlander. One is obvious, keeping Hebrew traditions, with food and ritual.
The other is a disparaging term in regards to keeping within contrived rules of behavior, as in not being homosexual or in some circles non-adulterous.
I doubt seriously that MonkeyHock has good intentions in his heart or he would explain it or at least ask it in a sensible manner.
But we all know what he’s like.
“outlander”
“Keeping Kosher” is vernacular for following the dietary laws of Leviticus.
Do you keep Kosher?
Sure, I’ll play along!
Why would I?
“Since you obviously dont understand any better than Nathan, that there are all kinds of different Christians in this world…
And I sure the hell aint one of yours!! Hallelujah!!”
I don’t disagree, there may be “all kinds of different Christians in this world”, and you sure are different.
But….THERE IS ONLY ONE CHRIST, and HIS WAY Chas, the other kinds of Christians don’t cut it according to Christ’s own words, and you don’t seem to resemble that at all. Think about it long and hard.
Acts 10
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14″Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
“Boxlock” witnesses –
….THERE IS ONLY ONE CHRIST, and HIS WAY…”
And what was it Christ said about homosexuality?
(Chapters and verses, please)
I just love it when a layperson lectures a minister on Christianity. It’s kind of like a non-scientist lecturing a scientist on science.
Or my eighteen month old grandson “lecturing” me on why he should be allowed to play with electrical outlets.
My Uncle was a minister for 60 years and I assure you Clark, that Chas in no way acts like a minister in any way shape or form. I’ve seen bartenders with better manners and are more forth coming.
“Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
God made homosexuals also – who among you should call them impure?
For that matter, the so-called St. Paul said that Jesus was neither male nor female. That is not an implication that Jesus was anything untold, but it is an interesting description.
“Regular” witnesses –
Acts 10
“…something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. …Then a voice told him…“Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.””
Well, assuming ol’ Peter wasn’t so hungry he was listening to the bedclothes, sounds like all a homosexual needs is to get baptized (i.e., clean, so to speak) and there’s no problem.
Right?
outlander,
The monkey uses it as a trap, granted a simpletons trap that is easily seen.
He is trying to catch one in that if one doesn’t keep all the, what 613, directives in the Torah then that disqualifies one from even commenting or having an opinion on the acts of others. An Old vs New Testament argument.
What the monkey seems to fail to realize is there is no conflict between the two.
“that Chas in no way acts like a minister in any way shape or form”
This is a blog – people write things – it is the way of the blogisphere.
Sorry Monkeyhock, not going to feed your game playing.
If I knew there was any sincerity in your intent I would answer.
Your apparent lack of insincerity shows through like a beacon.
“What the monkey seems to fail to realize is there is no conflict between the two.”
But in Corinthians, Paul “condemns” homosexuality, but also admonishes women to be silent in church, leading to the Catholic Church to deny women the priesthood.
So, if you are going to honor one admonishment from Paul, shouldn’t you also honor the others?
Yeah, I know Reg. Well, I guess Monkey doesn’t want to continue our game. Can’t say as I blame him, since his silly attempt at a trap is so obvious it can be seen by a blind guy and has holes you could drive a truck through. Probably thinks that he is being clever.
why do fundies hate the earth
http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/op-ed-why-the-christian-right–002466.php
Sadly, while increasing number of progressive Christians are beginning to view the environmental crisis as a spiritual issue deserving the attention of all people of faith, the Christian Right has chosen to limit their discourse to homosexuality and abortion. Demonizing the environmentalists as “New Age worshippers of Satan”, and calling them everything from “tree-hugging pagans” to “socialists”, the neo-cons have ignored the undeniable facts about environmental degradation.
The media has brought attention to the environmental debate among the evangelical Christians, but have failed to ask the most important questions: Why does the Christian Right hate the environmental movement so much? Why would anyone who claims to love God the Creator of all things hate the people that care for the Earth created by God? Why is the Christian Right threatened by the movement that seeks to make the world a better world? And why does the Christian group, which is supposed to exemplify the love of Jesus, incite hatred against the greens for encouraging sustainable lifestyle?
The answers to the above questions boil down to two things: political power and money. Politically, the Christian Right is angry at the environmental movement for fear of losing the old guard. Thanks to Jim Ball’s Evangelical Environmental Network, the new generation of evangelicals not only rejects the idea that the GOP is the Christian party, but also embraces environmental stewardship and social justice as moral obligations for Christians. The consequence of this development for the Christian Right became evident in the 2006 elections.
The right-wing opposition to the environmental movement has nothing to do with God; it has everything to do with money and big business. Many of the conservative Christian ministries were founded and funded by people whose business activities are harmful to the environment. For example, the founder of the fundamentalist Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, runs an oil company. As major polluters, the oil corporations are under the scrutiny of the environmentalists. So, by trying to take the environmental discourse off the Christian agenda, the neo-cons are only fighting for their business interests, not God.
I guess that was Boxlock I was replying to.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The passage: In his first epistle to the church at Corinth, Paul lists many activities that will prevent people from inheriting the Kingdom of God (heaven).
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”
Romans 1:26-27: “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet.”
Yes, I am familiar with the passages, but he did tell women that they should be silent in church.
So, why honor one admonishment and not all of them?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever”
Paul also believed in adult circumcision.
Acts 16: 1-3
Perhaps, in lieu of “ksfarmgrr’s” nuptials, she can host a bris for “outlander,” “Bocklock,” “Nathaniel,” “Regular, et al”…
The Corinthian letters about women was most likely addressed to a particular church where there may have been some outspoken women. In other parts of Corinthians, it is acknowledged that women do prophesize and speak out in church. At least that’s the interpretation taught to me from several Pastors and teachers.
The different in time back then is that women were not usually educated formally and usually not set in leadership positions. However, times change, although the Southern Baptist Convention still acknowledges there shouldn’t be women pastors. Most women associated with the church understand it and make long studies of it and probably can better address the issue. They know the issue of wanting to be something because of personal recognition is prideful and not the way of the Gospels.
As stated before, MonkeyHawk’s mocking of the Bible at 10:32 is apparent. God cannot be mocked, but you shall surely gather the attention of Satan and he will help MonkeyHawk out on his final destination.
“However, times change”
Yes, times change. It was once thought that those with epilepsy were possessed by demons – we know better now. The list is long, so I won’t go into it. The point is that we know better now about homosexuality, therefore we should not bind ourselves to a misconception written 2,000 years ago.
Too late on the adult circumcision monkey. Paul had some very interesting and ground breaking teaching on circumcision of the heart. But this isn’t one of them. It’s just really good stuff.
Romans 14
The Weak and the Strong
1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11It is written:
” ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.’ “[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[b] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
You mean that study you referenced Clark. The study you referenced where I showed the scientist who made and conducted the study stated that the results were misinterpreted and that homosexuality was not proven to be caused congenitally? That study? The response was written in the scientists own words and pretty hard to deny, although I’m sure you will spin it like you did the last time.
WEBlog: All God, all the time, by different people with different beliefs. How terribly interesting…
“God cannot be mocked”
Uh huh.
Is that a dare? I could go on and on.
Pass. You fundies make enough mockery of yourselves and your “God”.
The quote from the LeVay study by Dr. LeVay himself.
The Hypothalamus
“It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common
mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain. …Since
I looked at adult brains, we don’t know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later.”
http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
“The quote from the LeVay study by Dr. LeVay himself.”
The point is academic – it was never claimed that the study was conclusive in any manner, yet virtually no one without an ax to grind claims that homosexuality is a choice, least of all the primary authorities, gays and lesbians themselves.
And the fact still remains that those that insist that homosexuality is a choice are those that are the most homophobic.
That is rather telling.
Name a study that conclusively proves homosexually is congenital. I’ve looked, searched the Web and cannot find any.
Name one study and your source.
(My apologies to kfg, but facts is facts)
I have no ax to grind and I already gave my more than lengthy reasons why the California decision was proper in a legal sense. That is, it is a representation of the violation of Civil Rights as Civil Rights is currently defined and interpreted. Not going back to the lengthy explanation about lock and constitutional premise and etc. But as I said before, I looked at the decision as the Bible orders me too about ‘those things under Caesar.’
lock = Locke
“Name a study that conclusively proves homosexually is congenital.”
Damn, McCluer, you KNOW that virtually nothing (in terms of traits) can be proven to be congenital conclusively.
DNA science is largely in it’s infancy. Studies of the brain are still uncertain and largely conjecture. There are many, many human characteristics that are thought to be congenital, but medical science is not certain of the source.
Life’s a bitch.
The point was that there are differences in the brains of homosexuals and heterosexuals – whether those differences are a congenital trait or one that was/is acquired during life is unknown.
The fact remains that there is no logical reason for someone to “choose” to be homosexual, despite the rantings of the anti-gay crowd.
Boxlock — Where did you study theology, and how many of the Biblical languages can you read and translate?? Care to share??
Regular posts:
“…the California decision was proper in a legal sense. That is, it is a representation of the violation of Civil Rights as Civil Rights is currently defined and interpreted.”
Gee, when I post something to that effect, Boxlock calls me all kinds of ad hominems… You suppose he will treat you to the same, Regular?? Hmmmm???
Regular — at least you respect the decision of the Court… :-)
And Regular, when it comes to the teaching of the Church, you can also respect and follow that teaching as well… Hallelujah!!
“the Church” of course, = Your Church :-)
What’s your point Clark?
Brains of highly trained atheletes differ from those who are not athletically inclined. It means our brains adapt to external stimulus. It doesn’t prove or support anything other than our brains are adaptable under certain conditions and stimuli.
Point out the mechanisms of choice then Clark and then show scientifically that a human has no alternative when confronted with a choice.
Can same sex have affection for one another? Surely they can and it is obvious. Where in the start of the relationship does choice not become a factor?
I’ll await your scientific studies on how choice concerning same sexual lifestyle is or isn’t serendipity
“You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.”
But ’til God gets around to it, “Nathaniel” and “Boxlock” and “Regular et al” will be happy to judge who is really a “Christian” or not.
Chas
Posted June 3, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink
Regular posts:
“…the California decision was proper in a legal sense. That is, it is a representation of the violation of Civil Rights as Civil Rights is currently defined and interpreted.”
Gee, when I post something to that effect, Boxlock calls me all kinds of ad hominems… You suppose he will treat you to the same, Regular?? Hmmmm???
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Don’t know Brother Chas, Boxlock hasn’t confronted me with the issue. I can’t tell him how to interpret his Church’s teachings. I only know the way I was raised and taught.
As far as I know there is no passage in the Bible that says there are “fools for the Lord.” I try hard not to be foolish, although I fail daily. :D
The Choice you speak of here would be the “choice” of relationship… the same as the “choice” factor of two heterosexuals… The choice as to Sexual Orientation?? No more a choice for Homosexual/Lesbian, than for those of us who are NOT Gay/Lesbian…
I sincerely believe that idea will be proven factual, as certainly as the Earth moving around the Sun, and not being the Center of the Solar System — as once was taught by the Church (and other teaching was condemned as heresy)
‘As far as I know there is no passage in the Bible that says there are “fools for the Lord.”’
Try I Cor. 1 — It’s in there… :-)
“God cannot be mocked, but you shall surely gather the attention of Satan and he will help MonkeyHawk out on his final destination.”
Goodness gracious, now James is condemning sinners to hell! Pretty grandiose, wouldn’t any common person think? James has acquired this power, how exactly?
Yes. Just more crap from one of the blog’s worst trolls….
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Back to the start of this thread: The song regarding 06-03 was one of the few that made it to the popular lists that was originally a folk song (music ‘for fat people’ as Dylan said at the start of his electric period). On the flip side of the 45 rpm record was a song that started out:
“M, I, double S, I, double S, I, douple P, I.” Both songs by Billie Jo Riley. Excellent music.
Anyone else seen the weird Bob Dylan bio film, I’m not there? I understood parts of it, but others kind of left me mystified. Just like a good Dylan song.
Time for my boot heels to be wandering… Night all.
Nite Steven!!
It’s a two-edge problem Brother Chas. The word “choice” in of itself is problematic.
It’s not in my parameters of belief to decide on “choice” for other persons.
I do know what may be in the ‘hearts’ of men as described by the Bible. Those who do not confess Christ publically as their savior have denied him publically. At least that is the way I was taught.
How that refers to choice is that one cannot adhere to Christ’s teachings if they put ‘choice’ over what Christ commands.
Can they be a weakened Christian and still go to heaven? The way I learned, the answer is yes.
Forgot the verse, but it states (paraphrasing) “Those weak in spirit will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Which means that those that have accepted Christ as their savior will get to heaven, but their path will be troublesome and backsliding into the denial of Christ is always there to tempt them.
Okay, off to the showers, then bed.
“What’s your point Clark?”
Sigh…………………….
At the risk of offending some and the possibility of being forever banned from WEBlog for talking naughty, let’s give it a try. For those offended, my apologies in advance.
Sex for males and females is obviously different, but not in the way you are thinking. For a male to have sex, he needs to respond physically AND mentally. Men have to mentally respond before they can physically respond.
We don’t “decide” what turns us on. Cultural stimuli is part of it, but most men will admit that they had attractions for female characteristics long before they even knew what sex was.
Unless a man is mentally aroused, he will not be able to perform physically. He cannot be a participant in intercourse with a woman unless he is both physically and mentally into the act, no pun intended.
The basics of what arouses a man cannot be changed by choice. It can’t be done. Think that through for a bit – you can’t change what your mind has been conditioned to arouse you – and you can’t condition your mind for arousal, either.
For women, it is a different story, to a degree. Women can have heterosexual sex without being greatly aroused. They can have heterosexual sex without being aroused at all, as witnessed by forcible rape.
Perhaps that is why we see the phenomenon of women acknowledging homosexuality later in life, whereas few men take that avenue. Our society pressures them to be “normal” so they marry, have children and pretend, even though sex for them is just an acting job.
When you think through the “homosexuality is a choice” argument, you can see how foolish it is – just on the physical level alone, it makes no sense. On a societal level, it makes even less sense.
Dick Cheney on important issues:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/telnaes/telnaes_main.html
Cheney on the “truth”:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html
The prosecution of this criminal administration will be so much fun….!!!!
Sorry, Clark. I did not mean to demean your points. They were all valid to my knowledge.
Those boot heels are wandering again. Good night…
SED, you all have been pushing and investigating for years…and nothing. It is just political fronting and it is getting old. If you get something to stick, more power to you. Your congress and leaders have been pushing this loud mouth crap for a long time and have done nothing but waste time…first 100 hours and all.
“have done nothing but waste time”
And Bush wasted 4,100 American lives and $1 trillion American dollars and hundreds of thousand Iraqi lives because he wanted to show his Daddy that he was more macho than his Daddy was……
uh huh, yeah Clark that is it…so why haven’t you incompetent libs done anything about it, are you all helpless victims? Also, I do not favor the Pres. in many ways, but good grief, if all you are going to whine about something you feel is so horrible, then do something about it other than run your mouth! I feel that the dems have done nothing but blow smoke up your asses to make you thing they have done something, and you are proud of that?? Not that the Gop has been different.
“so why haven’t you incompetent libs done anything about it, are you all helpless victims?”
Ah, dumbass, we don’t have enough votes to override a presidential veto and cutting off funding completely and abruptly would be wrong, not to mention political suicide.
Jeez……………………….
“Ah, dumbass, we don’t have enough votes to override a presidential veto and cutting off funding completely and abruptly would be wrong, not to mention political suicide.”
So it isn’t a worthy fight Clark? You say the people are behind you poll after poll right? Your polls(Dem) & and talking heads say get out ASAP. So if they believe so strongly that it should end and the people are behind them- CUT it OFF! Or perhaps the dems are more concerned with their jobs, in other words people want a solution not a full retreat?
“cutting off funding completely and abruptly would be wrong, not to mention political suicide.”
I agree on both. That is why I see the loud mouth dems as full of shit. You believe in what you say or you don’t, I think that is easy to see on both sides.
Sixteen months, ANTI. That is what our nominee has promised and he will deliver.
Sixteen months after Barack Obama takes office, we will be out of Iraq – an orderly and responsible way to end this five year disaster propagated by the idiot Geoge WMD Bush.
Actually, KSFrmGrrl, there’re two kinds of Lutherans–the Evangelical Lutherans who are nice and kind and welcoming and reasonable (in short, LIBeral) and the much smaller but more vociferous Missouri Conference Lutherans who are mean-spirited, angry, judgmental, misogynist and vile (in short, CONservative).
I guessing Boxlock is the latter version.
I am so laughing at you guys.
Quoting scripture means no more to me than reading from Alice In Wonderland or the Joy of Cooking.
Quote all you want. It means nothing. Less than nothing, actually, because it’s being used as some sort of invisible weapon. Some christian light saber that just doesnt seem to cut anything.
But please, if it make YOU feel better, knock yerselves out. I think I’ll start posting long verses from Companion Planting or The Fannie Farmer Cookbook.
It has just as much relevancy to real life.
Maybe more…
I have a friend who says that when people start quotiing the bible, you know they have run out of logical arguments and are reduced to “because god said so”!
heheh. A churchy version of “my dad can beat up your dad”.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
I have a friend who says that when people start quotiing the bible, you know they have run out of logical arguments and are reduced to “because god said so”!
heheh. A churchy version of “my dad can beat up your dad”.
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Not really kfg.
I was taught that those who deny God will be denied by Him. I take that scripture to heart.
The Fannie Farmer Cookbook.
eeeewwwwwwwwww
You cook what grows out of your butt???
heheheeh Sol. My favorite cookbook. Just like me, it’s an oldie but goodie.
Reg? Good for you. But those of us who know a fairy tale when we hear one assign the same meaning to those scriptures as we do to “Alice in Wonderland”.
Six impossible things before breakfast…
It still holds true, that when your only argument is “because MY god says so”…
You’ve lost the logical part of the debate.
Oh, I know!!!!!!!
I’ll start quoting Rita Mae Brown’s “Rubyfruit Jungle” when you all start in with what someone told you your sky god said.
Hee hee heeeeeee!
Probably not though. It would turn on all the straight men.
“I was taught that those who deny God will be denied by Him.”
Uh oh.
Will the boogy man deny me too?
I got one for you Farmie…
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself…
I got one too Sol!
“beat two eggs before adding to batter”