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Quoting RealClimate.org as a reliable source of information on climate science is like quoting Disneyland.com for reliable information on mouse behavior.

“Real Climate” is a staged and contracted production, which wasn’t created by “scientists”, it was actually created by Environmental Media Services, a company which specializes in spreading environmental junk science on behalf of numerous clients who stand to financially benefit from scare tactics through environmental fear mongering. There you will find the word “model” used a million times, for the entire basis of the Global Warming Hoax is based on computer modeling ( not climate science ) which has thus far failed to predict anything accurately since day one.

For example, one of their past clients, Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream, hired them to create the illusion that Bovine Growth Hormone (BGH) was somehow dangerous, despite the fact that it had been fully tested and approved by the FDA. After a lengthy national fearmongering campaign by Environmental Media Services, Ben & Jerry’s proudly announced that their ice cream was “BGH-free”… as if it made any difference.

Real Climate has become the Alamo for folks like the highly discredited Michael Mann, whose original analytical blunder led to the famous “hockey stick” curve, which helped kick off the Great Global Warming Hoax after it was picked up by science illiterate Al Gore and proudly paraded around the globe. The hockey stick was proven to be an absurd blunder, but by then you couldn’t put the genie back into the bottle, and today we are wasting billions of dollars on a cure for a nonexistent disease.

Perhaps the best summary of “Real Climate” was given by a Harvard trained atmospheric physicist and Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dr. Richard Lindzen, who said,

“This website appears to constitute a support center for global warming believers, wherein any criticism of global warming is given an answer that, however implausible, is then repeated by the reassured believers.”

Jim Peden

I heard that the polar ice caps may melt within the next year. whether it’s man made or not (and there is evidence that it IS), global warming is a reality.
As greenhouse gases we created with the industrial revolution began to rise, so did atmospheric warming right along with it. That’s been proven.

Hank may be “researching”, but he’s wrong that global warming isn’t real.

An international team of researchers was able to provide evidence of explosive volcanism in the deeps of the ice-covered Arctic Ocean for the first time. Researchers from an expedition to the Gakkel Ridge, led by the American Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI), report in the current issue of the journal Nature that they discovered, with a specially developed camera, extensive layers of volcanic ash on the seafloor, which indicates a gigantic volcanic eruption.

“Explosive volcanic eruptions on land are nothing unusual and pose a great threat for whole areas,” explains Dr Vera Schlindwein of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association. She participated in the expedition as a geophysicist and has been, together with her team, examining the earthquake activity of the Arctic Ocean for many years. “The Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD and buried thriving Pompeii under a layer of ash and pumice. Far away in the Arctic Ocean, at 85ø N 85ø E, a similarly violent volcanic eruption happened almost undetected in 1999 – in this case, however, under a water layer of 4,000 m thickness.”

So far, researchers have assumed that explosive volcanism cannot happen in water depths exceeding 3 kilometres because of high ambient pressure. “These are the first pyroclastic deposits we’ve ever found in such deep water, at oppressive pressures that inhibit the formation of steam, and many people thought this was not possible,” says Robert Reves-Sohn, staff member of the WHOI and lead scientist of the expedition carried out on the Swedish icebreaker Oden in 2007.

A major part of Earth’s volcanism happens at the so-called mid-ocean ridges and, therefore, completely undetected on the seafloor. There, the continental plates drift apart; liquid magma intrudes into the gap and constantly forms new seafloor through countless volcanic eruptions. Accompanied by smaller earthquakes, which go unregistered on land, lava flows onto the seafloor. These unspectacular eruptions usually last for only a few days or weeks.

The Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Ocean spreads so slowly at 6-14 mm/year, that current theories considered volcanism unlikely – until a series of 300 strong earthquakes over a period of eight months indicated an eruption at 85ø N 85ø E in 4 kilometres water depth in 1999. Scientists of the Alfred Wegener Institute became aware of this earthquake swarm and reported about its unusual properties in the periodical EOS in the year 2000.

Vera Schlindwein and her junior research group are closely examining the earthquake activity of these ultraslow-spreading ridges since 2006. “The Gakkel Ridge is covered with sea-ice the whole year. To detect little earthquakes, which accompany geological processes, we have to deploy our seismometers on drifting ice floes.” This unusual measuring method proved highly successful: in a first test in the summer 2001 – during the “Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition (AMORE)” on the research icebreaker Polarstern – the seismometers recorded explosive sounds by the minute, which originated from the seafloor of the volcanic region. “This was a rare and random recording of a submarine eruption in close proximity,” says Schlindwein. “I postulated in 2001 that the volcano is still active. However, it seemed highly improbable to me that the recorded sounds originated from an explosive volcanic eruption, because of the water depth of 4 kilometres.”

The scientist regards the matter differently after her participation in the Oden-Expedition 2007, during which systematic earthquake measurements were taken by Schlindwein’s team in the active volcanic region: “Our endeavours now concentrate on reconstructing and understanding the explosive volcanic episodes from 1999 and 2001 by means of the accompanying earthquakes. We want to know, which geological features led to a gas pressure so high that it even enabled an explosive eruption in these water depths.” Like Robert Reves-Sohn, she presumes that explosive eruptions are far more common in the scarcely explored ultraslow-spreading ridges than presumed so far.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-06/haog-fut062508.php

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Mary_Caruso
Posted June 29, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink

Hank may be “researching”, but he’s wrong that global warming isn’t real.

What is your ’source’ for this incredibly presumptuous statement?

Think about it Mary, it doesn’t even make sense that a degree or two increase in global temperature could cause a vast expanse of ice with an average temperature of 5 to 10 degrees F to disappear!

http://www.need2know.eu/?p=628

Besides, there’s no evidence of GW for the last ten years!

Besides, I link to most of my sources. No reason for you to wallow in ignorance, let alone be smug about it!

Good morning, Apophis!

I see you woke up this morning in the same rut you went to sleep in!

I trust your grand daughter’s birthday party was a success!

Hank and what are you going to do when things are happening that are so obviously global warming related? Just ignore it? Pretend it isn’t happening? Blame something else?

Come on, I know that you cons have this ability to try to explain away about anything, but this is serious and it affects all of us.

Your few skewed sources from non scientists aren’t worth the time it takes to click to the link.

I fully realize that you believe that God will intervene before any of this happens, but what if you are wrong. Just like you were so cock sure of the Bush admin?

“You may not agree with Hank, but you will have to give him credit. His post show he is researching the subject. It is more then the average citizen is doing.” — writer dog

No he is cherry picking to support his own contentions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAK4zo79TU

Evangelicals and Global Warming

Good morning P_Mom!

“Hank and what are you going to do when things are happening that are so obviously global warming related?”

Interesting question, P_Mom! Your underlying premise is that nothing obvious happened yet. I’ll try to wrap my mind around it when it does!

“Just ignore it?”

See previous answer.

“Pretend it isn’t happening?”

again, see previous answer.

Blame something else?

Another interesting question, the implied premise is that I’m currently blaming someone for something!

“Come on, I know that you cons have this ability to try to explain away about anything, but this is serious and it affects all of us.”

Of course it’s serious P_Mom! It’s serious enough to have a legitimate debate without impugning the other sides motives or intelligence.

“Your few skewed sources from non scientists aren’t worth the time it takes to click to the link.” If so, my job is done. If you don’t, well. . .

Based on this statement, I assume that you do “click to the link”, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to make this conclusion honestly.

“I fully realize that you believe that God will intervene before any of this happens, but what if you are wrong.”

What have I ever said that would bring you to this conclusion? You have a false perception of me and my beliefs.

“Just like you were so cock sure of the Bush admin?”

Is this a question? If so, again it’s based on a false premise!

I recommend that you do a little research on ‘global warming’ and the motives of the nitwits that support the AGW scam. Then maybe you could bring a little more to the debate other than personal attacks and false assumptions about my beliefs.

Many of us are already changing our wastefully consumptive lifestyle.

It may be that there are some folks who will not do the right thing voluntarily.

They are afraid right now.

That is a good thing and I find it satisfying.

augh, I typed out an entire piece to hank and now it’s gone.

I’ll have to get back to you after work . Grr.

It may be that there are some folks who will not do the right thing voluntarily.

They are afraid right now.

That is a good thing and I find it satisfying.

To that I would add that there is nothing so mean and nasty as a cornered animal.

I am pleased to find Hank in his usual corner in his usual state of mind.

I haven’t heard from Mom yet today. I should call her.

I got out of the habit of checking on her on Sunday mornings as I knew she went to church.

I am pleased that she no longer wastes time on that. She came to see the people there as phony, backbiting and hypocritical.

I guess the ‘apple’ doesn’t fall too far from the tree!

LOL!

We seemed to make over a $1,000 for the humane society by ‘molesting’ goats! And yes, I do get a thrill out of it! After a while, with experience, you can see when a dog turns on to stock. I really get a lot of fun out of it!

What we do at Woofstock raises a lot of money for a good cause and brings a lot of joy to people when they see their dogs work. John and I have got about a dozen people turned on to herding, another very satisfying experience.

We work very hard on that day, plus we spend quite a bit of time getting prepared the day before and we also spend quite a bit of time tearing down and getting things put up.

I was actually pleased to meet your mom, if I remember correctly I was rather busy when you came over and I took time to be cordial and polite to you and your mom!

Looking forward to next year!

HLP
Posted June 29, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
You never answered the question, BlueJay, Mommy let you sleep in today?

What a hateful little man.

Linda did you have a problem with some of the SCOTUS decisions? Was the constitution miss intrepreted?

Since that is one of the most important roles of our next prez, appointing judges, this is very important to the next election.

Dear Hank Price,

It’s not “Christian” to lie.

You should not lie about climate science.

http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20071001_pressrelease.htm
“Arctic sea ice has long been recognized as a sensitive climate indicator. NSIDC Senior Scientist Mark Serreze said, “Computer projections have consistently shown that as global temperatures rise, the sea ice cover will begin to shrink. While a number of natural factors have certainly contributed to the overall decline in sea ice, the effects of greenhouse warming are now coming through loud and clear.”

One factor that contributed to this fall’s extreme decline was that the ice was entering the melt season in an already weakened state. NSIDC Research Scientist Julienne Stroeve said, “The spring of 2007 started out with less ice than normal, as well as thinner ice. Thinner ice takes less energy to melt than thicker ice, so the stage was set for low levels of sea ice this summer.”

‘PRESS RELEASE: Models Underestimate Loss of Arctic Sea Ice’
http://nsidc.org/news/press/20070430_StroeveGRL.html
“”Our study indicates that the impacts of greenhouse gases on Arctic sea ice are strong and growing,” said NSIDC scientist and co-author Mark Serreze.”

http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm
What the science says…
Debates continue even now over the statistical methods used in Mann’s initial study. However since 1998, there have been at least ten proxy studies, analysing a variety of different sources including corals, stalagmites, tree rings, boreholes, ice cores, etc. Here is a visual summary (courtesy of Global Warming Art) of the various results (solid black is actual observed temperatures):

The results all confirm the same general conclusion: although each of the temperature reconstructions are different (due to differing calibration methods and data used), they all show some similar patterns of temperature change over the last several centuries.

Most striking is the fact that each record reveals that the 20th century is the warmest of the entire record, and that warming was most dramatic after 1920.”

libdave,

You should see some of the stuff BlueJay posts. Do you think he is a hateful little man too?

Cosmos yes claims are paid out of premiums received. Why would you think differently. Protection is the product insurance companies sells just as Coca Cola is what the coke company sells.

Will you give up your insurance so you can keep your premium or does that premium paid give you peace of mind?

If you have children you surely realize that kids will do things that are not wise sometimes. Parents have a full time job watching over them. But as carefully as they are watched accidents will happen. Your statement yesterday was needlessly cruel and uncalled for.

I am not a scientist nor have I ever claimed to be one. I make good use of the earth, conserve when I can and realize that people are more important than ‘green’ things.

I will continue to attack algore because he is the face of AGWers. He is a bad steward of the earths resources. The links are all there. A new report came out last week about his continued overuse of utilities even with all of his ‘green remodeling’. His business of selling carbon credits is likened to that of a snake oil salesman.

Even with the addition of his solar panels which he didn’t add until pressured the still continues to lead the way in power usage.
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“These efforts did little to impress Johnson. “I appreciate the solar panels,” he said, “but he also has natural gas lanterns in his yard, a heated pool, and an electric gate. While I appreciate that he’s switching out some light bulbs, he is not living the lifestyle that he advocates.”

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=5072659

‘Gore decreases his energy usage so TCPR lies about it’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/06/gore_decrease_his_energy_usage.php
“And that’s using the numbers from the TCPR. Gore’s spokeswoman Kalee Kreider says the real numbers are rather different:

In fact, over the past year the Gores’ utility bills have dropped 40 percent, thanks largely to the house’s spanking new geothermal heating and cooling system, which has reduced the Gores’ natural gas bill by 90 percent in the past year. …

Kreider pointed out that the renovations weren’t complete until November, so it’s a bit early to be attempting before-and-after comparisons. In addition, the Gores participate in the Nashville Electric Service’s Green Power Switch Program, which allows them to buy their electricity from renewable sources like wind power, solar power or methane gas from landfills (the house’s 33 solar panels only supply 4 percent of its power needs, per Kreider.) So any energy they burn won’t be burning them a bigger carbon footprint.”

Gore’s energy use went down last summer, despite a HEAT wave.

‘Gore makes Nashville home more ‘green’ ‘
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
“Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation’s most environmentally friendly.
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“Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don’t know how it could have been rated any higher,” said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.
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It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events.
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The Green Building Council’s certification program has four levels, with platinum being the highest followed by gold. Gore’s home was one of 14 to earn gold status and the only Tennessee home to earn any certification.”

Ok my original statement s something along the lines of, well Hank, we already know there are things happening, but I knwo very well you dismiss them as unrelated.

I’m talking about something like having to move a whole city away from rising water….or watching a hotel actually collapse from rising ocean water.

Something big to make no doubt. I’m sure you’ll find a good excuse for why those things are happening too…afterall, we’re already having to relocate people.

Once its too late Hank, it’ll be too late. And then what are you going to say? Oops?

No, this is something even bigger than religion. I’ve heard people say that they choose to believe because if there is a God then they’re safe, but if not, then its doing no harm to believe. *I happen to think that’s a sad reason to believe, but at least they have their bases covered.

In religion, the only soul you have to worry about being wrong is your own. If you’re wrong about Global Warming, it affects every last human on earth.

So I take the stance like those pseudo religious…cover the bases. If Global warming is false, we’re not hurting anything by being safe and good for the earth. However if Global warming IS happening, there is no going back, we don’t have a spare planet in Mars yet, and I’ll probably be spending more time trying to save my own skin than beating the heck out of you for being wrong. What do you care, you’re going to die in a few years, do you really give a sheet what you leave for the rest of us?

No of course not.

Heeheee.. that right wing blog has the word “scary” in it 7 times on the first page. It even uses “super-scary” once. Booo.

JR, please give my best to your Mom. She’s not only totally sweet, but she’s smart and too cool for school as the kids say. Eran and I both loved meeting her too. We still want to see her flowers if we are ever back in Wichita together. We had to rush off after the meetup, but both of us have regretted we didnt take the time to go to her house.

We dont get to see each other often enough and we, uh, had other priorities at the time. heheheh.

My pals and I just finished putting another 35 chickens in the freezer. I hafta go feed and water the survivors and gather the eggs before I collapse from shear exhaustion.

But we’re gonna have fresh fried chicken, potato salad, baked beans and big fireworks on the Fourth, so it’s all worth it.

How American is THAT!

Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,

Post the cause of the warming since the 1970’s.

But ‘Regular’ can’t do that, because the cause is mostly AGW.

Cosmos,

I know what I meant. The problem is that you purposefully add to what I have said and then argue against that expecting me to defend it.

Then you mock me when I don’t.

That is called being less than honest in a discussion.

More specifically you could say it was a strawman argument.

Either way, just another reason why actually discussing anything with you is futile.

……………….futile

Isn’t that the case when anyone attempts to have a conversation with one of the prices?

Nathaniel,

Exactly what did you mean by using the word “all”?

Does “all” mean “some”, or “a few”?

“Exactly what did you mean by using the word “all”?”

It means “I once heard of someone that heard of someone that said, or might have said……………………………….”

Here’s a real source for HLP.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060302180504.htm

BTW, the reason there is more ice in Antartica right now is because it’s winter there, Hank.

Well Mary,

In Canada they kill about 500 polar bears each year for sport. Maybe the Canadians haven’t heard!

By the way, the polar bears aren’t on the endangered species list.

Melting Ice at the North Pole?

It’s the wind stupid

Looking at the map included with the article you can see that the thick multi year ice is only around 150 miles away from the North Pole. So why isn’t that thick ice where it should be, under the North Pole? Did it melt away due to global warming? No apparently not. In the article we find this statement: ” the normally thick ice formed over many years at the Pole has been blown away”. No mention made of volcanic activity under the ice cap, either

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/arctic_ice_melt_mat_be_due_to.html

What we have here is a serendipitous event for the global warming believers. Winds have blown the thick multi year ice from under that small dot on the map called the North Pole. Next year the ice may float back the other way and the story will fade away. But by then another climate crisis story will take it’s place in the mainstream media.
-American Spectator

So Reg. didn’t like the Science link and gives us a RW thunk tank.

Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted,

“The temperature rise would be the result from the majority rule Climate change, that is all natural events causing the temperature rise.”
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What natural events caused the warming? Solar?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

okobserver, what lie?

“Cosmos if someone lies should I attack the lie or the liar?”

Both, HOG……………………

Now, about that LIE you told about the Cole attack…………………………….

………………OMG, old man price called me a “nitwit” again!

My self-esteem is totally shattered. The only thing worse that could happen would be for his “it’s okay to shoot civilians” son, marine-BOY to post some snarky comment about me.

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

Seriously do we have to bring up the Cole Attack again?

Isnt’ that done yet?

“Seriously do we have to bring up the Cole Attack again?”

Only because Okie-Dope aka KSGrm has chosen to call me a liar.

Guess that pretty much spells out the parameters of McCain’s meeting in Cincinnatti…

:roll:

McC*nt’s flip-flops (a partial list) –

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

And these are the flip-flops I’ve noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

American_Whaaa.. Thanks, who is it? I agree with ALL of those positions!!! Who is this great American?

Go Cynthia McKinney!

Political_mama posted June 29, 2008 at 4:10 pm

“In religion, the only soul you have to worry about being wrong is your own. If you’re wrong about Global Warming, it affects every last human on earth.”
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A very good point. A somewhat similar post at RC,

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/06/more-pr-related-confusion/#comment-90819

Guenter Hess write at 26 June 2008 1623:
“Shouldn’t every scientist be a skeptic until the model is validated ?”

Yes. And beyond. For the model cannot ever be proved true. Just “not yet falsified.”

Thus, if i step off a precipice, the result is a test of the models from the days of Newton and Einstein. As we stuff CO2 into the atmosphere, the result is a test of the models, from the days of Fourier and Arrhenius.

i submit that the experiment is imprudent in both cases.

In the first case, my broken body below would validate the models, affect a handful. in the second, the result affects the entire world.

sidd
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Fourier, Arrhenius, and other scientists,

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“1896: Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2″

“Republic Party principles.”

Now there is an oxymoron.

Cosmos I have done more to help against GW than algore. Why would I be considered a nitwit in the future if he isn’t?

from http://www.crooksandliars.com –

Seymour Hersh has been writing about the Bush administration’s aggressive stance against Iran for years now. His latest article for The New Yorker, “Preparing the Battlefield“, Hersh claims that the Bush administration has been carrying out clandestine operations in Iran for some time now, with the funding and cooperation of the Democratic leadership in Congress.

HERSH: I think this is another example of putting an awful lot of pressure on the Iranian government. There’s been a dramatic increase in kinetic events and chaos inside of Iran. Almost every other day, there’s another story in the Iranian press — I write about this in the article, too — about things blowing up, et cetera, et cetera. It looks like things are falling apart, a little bit. And the central government certainly has more trouble.

So he has to tell the Congress about it. And the military simply is — the president, since 9/11, has decided anything we do militarily, we don’t have to tell anybody in Congress about.

Guest host Candy Crowley brings on Iraq Ambassador Ryan Crocker to officially deny that any cross border operations have taken place, but Hersh points out that Crocker may not be in the loop–plausible deniability being the operative word.

“That is simply a reality, that when you run secret operations, if you’re not telling the commander, the military commander of the Central Command, who is supposedly running the country — you may not tell the ambassador everything. Sometimes it’s better not to have the ambassador know“.

COSMOS OKOB ran back to her rats nest to hide… no more answers tonite…

Excellent post Cosmos!!

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-375782

Well, another long day at the Blogosphere….

Good night; good luck; and God Bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!

Blessings ALL!!

Blessings on Gore and his mansion, and all of the green advances he has made there!!

So mote it be!!

Does anyone else in 21st century America, think this story is just beyond bizarre?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/29/AR2008062901871_pf.html

Extremely Bizarre, Steven… Extremely!! How anybody in this Century can intentionally concoct such LIES about a man running for President (and call themselves Americans) and spread this kind of intentional Racist, and Bigoted hatred!!!

These people should be ASHAMED of themselves!!

And anybody on this Blog putting out these outright, and INTENTIONal lies… SHOULD ALSO BE ASHAMED!!

AS FOR CALLING THEMSELVES AMERICANS: BS!!!

Nathan —- SHUT UP!!! You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies — And for someone whi is such a proud “Joe Christian”!! My goodness!! OPEN YOUR LITTLE MIND, BOY!!!

“I do not swear at posters”

Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-628-2/#comment-375452

“I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!”

…….the blog bully, marine-BOY strikes again!

Why would I apologize??? It was deserved!!