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hey I get the first post of the day!
Happy Saturday Ya’ll.
This morning, will be dropping off my contribution of old red, blue and green glass at the Minisa Bridge adjacent to North High School. Apparently the glass will be incorporated into the historic bridge improvements somehow.
So just who is playing the Race Card?
Republic Party surrogate, Grover Norquist…
“… dropped by The Times’ Washington bureau today and, as part of his negative critique of Obama’s liberal stances on economic issues and other matters, he termed the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee “John Kerry with a tan.””
Greg Sargent responded, “Guess it could have been worse. Grover could have termed the Illinois Senator ‘John Kerry in blackface.’ Such admirable restraint on Norquist’s part!”
“It’s still a bacteria”
And man is still a mammal.
Spirit at 19, you gotta love it.
15 anyone?
Climate models fail again! Scientist ’startled’ to discover 50% of ozone destroyed in lower atmosphere
“Destruction Of Greenhouse Gases Over Tropical Atlantic May Ease Global Warming”
Large amounts of ozone — around 50% more than predicted by the world’s state-of-the-art climate models — are being destroyed in the lower atmosphere over the tropical Atlantic Ocean. This startling discovery was made by a team of scientists from the UK’s National Centre for Atmospheric Science and Universities of York and Leeds. It has particular significance because ozone in the lower atmosphere acts as a greenhouse gas and its destruction also leads to the removal of the third most abundant greenhouse gas; methane.
The findings come after analysing the first year of measurements from the new Cape Verde Atmospheric Observatory, recently set up by British, German and Cape Verdean scientists on the island of Sao Vicente in the tropical Atlantic. Alerted by these Observatory data, the scientists flew a research aircraft up into the atmosphere to make ozone measurements at different heights and more widely across the tropical Atlantic. The results mirrored those made at the Observatory, indicating major ozone loss in this remote area.
So, what’s causing this loss? Instruments developed at the University of Leeds, and stationed at the Observatory, detected the presence of the chemicals bromine and iodine oxide over the ocean for this region. These chemicals, produced by sea spray and emissions from phytoplankton (microscopic plants in the ocean), attack the ozone, breaking it down. As the ozone is destroyed, a chemical is produced that attacks and destroys the greenhouse gas methane. Up until now it has been impossible to monitor the atmosphere of this remote region over time because of its physical inaccessibility. Including this new chemistry in climate models will provide far more accurate estimates of ozone and methane in the atmosphere and improve future climate predictions.
Professor Alastair Lewis, Director of Atmospheric Composition at the National Centre for Atmospheric Science and a lead scientist in this study, said: “At the moment this is a good news story — more ozone and methane being destroyed than we previously thought – but the tropical Atlantic cannot be taken for granted as a permanent ’sink’ for ozone. The composition of the atmosphere is in fine balance here- it will only take a small increase in nitrogen oxides from fossil fuel combustion, carried here from Europe, West Africa or North America on the trade winds, to tip the balance from a sink to a source of ozone”
Professor John Plane, University of Leeds said: “This study provides a sharp reminder that to understand how the atmosphere really works, measurement and experiment are irreplaceable. The production of iodine and bromine mid-ocean implies that destruction of ozone over the oceans could be global”.
Climate models fail again! Scientist ’startled’ to discover 50% of ozone destroyed in lower atmosphere
“Destruction Of Greenhouse Gases Over Tropical Atlantic May Ease Global Warming”
Large amounts of ozone — around 50% more than predicted by the world’s state-of-the-art climate models — are being destroyed in the lower atmosphere over the tropical Atlantic Ocean. This startling discovery was made by a team of scientists from the UK’s National Centre for Atmospheric Science and Universities of York and Leeds. It has particular significance because ozone in the lower atmosphere acts as a greenhouse gas and its destruction also leads to the removal of the third most abundant greenhouse gas; methane.
The findings come after analysing the first year of measurements from the new Cape Verde Atmospheric Observatory, recently set up by British, German and Cape Verdean scientists on the island of Sao Vicente in the tropical Atlantic. Alerted by these Observatory data, the scientists flew a research aircraft up into the atmosphere to make ozone measurements at different heights and more widely across the tropical Atlantic. The results mirrored those made at the Observatory, indicating major ozone loss in this remote area.
So, what’s causing this loss? Instruments developed at the University of Leeds, and stationed at the Observatory, detected the presence of the chemicals bromine and iodine oxide over the ocean for this region. These chemicals, produced by sea spray and emissions from phytoplankton (microscopic plants in the ocean), attack the ozone, breaking it down. As the ozone is destroyed, a chemical is produced that attacks and destroys the greenhouse gas methane. Up until now it has been impossible to monitor the atmosphere of this remote region over time because of its physical inaccessibility. Including this new chemistry in climate models will provide far more accurate estimates of ozone and methane in the atmosphere and improve future climate predictions.
Professor Alastair Lewis, Director of Atmospheric Composition at the National Centre for Atmospheric Science and a lead scientist in this study, said: “At the moment this is a good news story — more ozone and methane being destroyed than we previously thought – but the tropical Atlantic cannot be taken for granted as a permanent ’sink’ for ozone. The composition of the atmosphere is in fine balance here- it will only take a small increase in nitrogen oxides from fossil fuel combustion, carried here from Europe, West Africa or North America on the trade winds, to tip the balance from a sink to a source of ozone”
Professor John Plane, University of Leeds said: “This study provides a sharp reminder that to understand how the atmosphere really works, measurement and experiment are irreplaceable. The production of iodine and bromine mid-ocean implies that destruction of ozone over the oceans could be global”.
Climate models fail again! Scientist ’startled’ to discover 50% of ozone destroyed in lower atmosphere
“Destruction Of Greenhouse Gases Over Tropical Atlantic May Ease Global Warming”
Large amounts of ozone — around 50% more than predicted by the world’s state-of-the-art climate models — are being destroyed in the lower atmosphere over the tropical Atlantic Ocean. This startling discovery was made by a team of scientists from the UK’s National Centre for Atmospheric Science and Universities of York and Leeds. It has particular significance because ozone in the lower atmosphere acts as a greenhouse gas and its destruction also leads to the removal of the third most abundant greenhouse gas; methane.
The findings come after analysing the first year of measurements from the new Cape Verde Atmospheric Observatory, recently set up by British, German and Cape Verdean scientists on the island of Sao Vicente in the tropical Atlantic. Alerted by these Observatory data, the scientists flew a research aircraft up into the atmosphere to make ozone measurements at different heights and more widely across the tropical Atlantic. The results mirrored those made at the Observatory, indicating major ozone loss in this remote area.
So, what’s causing this loss? Instruments developed at the University of Leeds, and stationed at the Observatory, detected the presence of the chemicals bromine and iodine oxide over the ocean for this region. These chemicals, produced by sea spray and emissions from phytoplankton (microscopic plants in the ocean), attack the ozone, breaking it down. As the ozone is destroyed, a chemical is produced that attacks and destroys the greenhouse gas methane. Up until now it has been impossible to monitor the atmosphere of this remote region over time because of its physical inaccessibility. Including this new chemistry in climate models will provide far more accurate estimates of ozone and methane in the atmosphere and improve future climate predictions.
Professor Alastair Lewis, Director of Atmospheric Composition at the National Centre for Atmospheric Science and a lead scientist in this study, said: “At the moment this is a good news story — more ozone and methane being destroyed than we previously thought – but the tropical Atlantic cannot be taken for granted as a permanent ’sink’ for ozone. The composition of the atmosphere is in fine balance here- it will only take a small increase in nitrogen oxides from fossil fuel combustion, carried here from Europe, West Africa or North America on the trade winds, to tip the balance from a sink to a source of ozone”
Professor John Plane, University of Leeds said: “This study provides a sharp reminder that to understand how the atmosphere really works, measurement and experiment are irreplaceable. The production of iodine and bromine mid-ocean implies that destruction of ozone over the oceans could be global”.
Chas, Linda, Mary…check your emails for info on where we’re having lunch Tuesday.
JWink, you are to be commended! IF I had any pre 50s colored glass I would do the same. Good cause! I’m glad you can help.
Obama to visit Middle East, Europe this summer
“The trip to France, Germany, Great Britain, Jordan and Israel will take place before the Democratic convention in late August, when Obama will be nominated to face Republican John McCain in November’s presidential election.
Obama also plans to visit Iraq and Afghanistan this summer as part of a congressional delegation, but the campaign would not confirm those visits would be part of the same trip and would not give the exact dates of any foreign trips.”
http://tinyurl.com/4h4axp
This is interesting! National Public Radio (npr) is asking the public’s help in tracking the hidden cash in this fall’s election. If we all participated in bringing these secrets to the public attention and had a better chance of knowing what money was behind which ad we would all be better for the knowledge!
http://www.npr.org/contact/election_secretmoney.html
Linda: Because it was raining this morning, I dropped my small colored glass contribution at the Riverside Cafe on west side of the Minisi Bridge when had breakfast there. Riverside Cafe owner, Paul, will somehow deliver the glass and any other glass that arrives to the bridge later today. According to the EAGLE, it will be used to prepare “Carthalite” artwork … I wonder what that is?
Here’s one interesting article I found. Wichita should be proud (and more vocal!) about this local artwork! It seems more recognition is deserving.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/dec/23/witchitas_carthalite_garners_national_recognition/
The old Dockum bldg on the northeast corner of Hillside and Douglas (one of the locations where Carthalite” artwork is still found) brings back fond memories for me! In the summer of 1965 I lived in the area — an attic apartment of an older large house on Oakland directly behind the Osteopathic Hospital. I didn’t have a car but walked around that neighborhood marveling at the beauty! At that time there was still an old-fashioned soda fountain in the drug store so I could stop there for a refreshing beverage, enjoy their air conditioning and marvel at the medicines on the shelves! Now, there was some old glass on those shelves and some over-the-counter medicines that dated waaaay back!
“It’s the core thinking that’s important….
I’m reminded of the time that Catherine – a little girl in our
neighborhood – told me that she wanted to be President one day.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there with us –
and I asked Catherine – ‘If you were President what would be the
first thing you would do?’
Catherine replied – I would give houses to all the homeless people.’
‘Wow – what a worthy goal you have there Catherine.’ I told her (while both parents beamed), ‘But, you don’t have to wait until
you’re President to do that. You can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $5 dollars. Then we
can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5 dollars to use for a new house.’
Catherine (who was about 4) thought that over for a second, and then replied, ‘why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop himself, and you can pay him the $5 dollars?’
Welcome to the Republican Party Catherine!”
Not a bad story.
THANK YOU P-MOM
How the radical jihadists treat those sympathetic to their enemies (public decapitation followed by cheering):
“Thousands Cheer as Pakistani Militants Decapitate, Shoot Afghans Accused of Spying for U.S.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372883,00.html
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How The United States reacts when it’s own prisoners are allegedly mistreated:
“According to the report, the abuse ranged from sleep deprivation and forced nakedness to severe beatings, electric shocks and sexual assault.
A Pentagon spokesman said mechanisms are in place for detainees to report abuse, and credible claims are “thoroughly investigated.”
President Bush has said of the scandal, it was the work of “a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/military/jan-june08/detainees_06-18.html
Any questions?
Bigs Thanks to-
E.R. staff at Susan B. Allen.
The Butler County Ambulance Crew.
Trauma Staff at Wesley.
Wesley Pediatric ICU staff and the entire staff of the Pediatric floor.
The great human beings running the MRI and CT equipment at Wesley.
Monday my 5 yr old son got kicked in the head by a horse. He was conscious and mobile when I got to him but it was obvious that he had at the least a concussion and a badly shredded ear. We rushed him by car to El Dorado. The Susan B. staff evaluated him and quickly packaged him for a quick trip complete with lights and sirens(my boy loves that stuff) to Wesley.
The Trauma staff fixed his ear up and determined that he had no bleeding or swelling in his brain despite the three skull fractures.
He and I spent 24 hrs in the PICU and three days in a room on the Pediatric floor.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON we encountered at Susan B., Butler County EMS, and Wesley were awesome!
We got home Friday afternoon. And it’s good to be home. My son still has poor balance. I’m sure that will take a few months of healing and perhaps some therapy to fix.
And thank you God!
Heckler,
Glad to hear that your son is home and recovering!
Nathan the willfully silly asks, “Just as you can dismiss anything I say as being not worthy of rational argument simply because I believe in Creation, I too can make the same argument about someone that believes that there is a God.
You have no proof of your belief, yet you believe it.
Contrary to all known scientific principles and knowledge you choose to believe in some God?
How is what you believe any more rational than what I believe?”
*****
Science has nothing to say about whether God does or doesn’t exist. The fact that no evidence exists that a scientist would recognize as evidence for God in no way forces one to the conclusion that God doesn’t exist, just as science hasn’t been able to prove that other dimensions exist or that string theory is an appropriate model of how the universe works.
That’s why a lot of scientists believe in God. They recognize that the scientific method is inadequate to the task of proving or disproving the God question.
NOW . . . let’s look at your interpretation of the creation myth. That is entirely different. Science has proven in many ways from many different academic fields the age of the earth. The age of the earth at 4.5 billion years (within a margin of error) is not in dispute.
Your calculations–actually it’s the calculations of an early 20th century crack-pot, a Seventh Day Adventist named George McCready Price–ignore the historical and textual conventions of the time that the Old Testament was written.
Your literalist interpretation is a kind of heresy–demanding that a story (actually TWO stories, woven together) describing God’s interaction with the world is literally true in the scientific sense when no one would have expected that at the time it was written, and only the simplistic childish mind would demand it now.
My “no proof” belief in God is in no way the same as your “ignore the proof without evidence” belief in an old earth.
Furthermore, anyone who can cling to a ridiculous and unBiblical interpretation of the Creation myth (as you do) in despite of the scientific evidence which is literally rock solid shows an inability to be reasoned with . . .
Great news Heckler! Thanks for sharing.
Poor old Hank is easily confused.
‘More PR related confusion’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/06/more-pr-related-confusion/
Our prayers are with your boy for a quick recovery, Heckler.
Hopefully, this won’t sour him on horses, just make him more cautious.
Any time he wants a buggy ride, let me know!
Hank
“Heckler” –
When I was a kid, the ambulance service was operated by the local funeral homes. Why avoid the middle man, and all that.
The quality of health care — especially the quality of trauma care — is a direct result of Liberal thinking.
Yeah, we’ve been subversive along the way, what with our “socializing” ambulance and wresting it away from good capitalist morticians to highly-trained EMTs. And yeah, it probably costs us more tax dollars to have a helicopter on-call to bring an injured kid to a major medical center instead of a tricked-out Packard en route to the morgue.
If we got down to crunching the numbers as to what funded the Susan B. Allen ER, and the trauma team that transported your kid to Wesley, and the people who were there waiting to treat him, and the people who are on-staff and ready to help and monitor his recovery from an injury which might have been fatal a couple of decades ago… you’ve got no capitalist to thank; only us damned Liberals.
If that kid had been kicked in the head by a horse in 1957, with three skull fractures, the first reaction would have been to start digging a grave. We’ve come a long way since then, haven’t we?
None of those advances were CONservatives’ ideas.
Monkey”boy”
Actually he would have been fine without advanced medical care.
The only medical “intervention” was to sew his ear up, give him some antibiotics, and pain relief.
The fractures were non-displaced.
Your analysis of the funding of medicine today is pretty hosed up. The government won’t be funding the folks who acted on my sons behalf, my insurance company will.
Where would you rather get medical care, socialist Cuba? or (mostly) Capitalist America.
right.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
“Heckler” –
When I was a kid, the ambulance service was operated by the local funeral homes. Why avoid the middle man, and all that.
The quality of health care — especially the quality of trauma care — is a direct result of Liberal thinking.
Yeah, we’ve been subversive along the way, what with our “socializing” ambulance and wresting it away from good capitalist morticians to highly-trained EMTs. And yeah, it probably costs us more tax dollars to have a helicopter on-call to bring an injured kid to a major medical center instead of a tricked-out Packard en route to the morgue.
If we got down to crunching the numbers as to what funded the Susan B. Allen ER, and the trauma team that transported your kid to Wesley, and the people who were there waiting to treat him, and the people who are on-staff and ready to help and monitor his recovery from an injury which might have been fatal a couple of decades ago… you’ve got no capitalist to thank; only us damned Liberals.
If that kid had been kicked in the head by a horse in 1957, with three skull fractures, the first reaction would have been to start digging a grave. We’ve come a long way since then, haven’t we?
None of those advances were CONservatives’ ideas.
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What a load of horse crap.
Air evacuation idea came from the United States Military.
C9 nightingales, evacuation choppers in Korea and Vietnam.
Geez, what an idiot to give credit to Libs.
Of course, duh Libs love to rewrite history and take credit or give blame.
Hank
“Hopefully, this won’t sour him on horses, just make him more cautious”
Unfortunately he doesnt remember it. So the extra caution I was hoping for is not likely. He chases them. He and the dog. Sometimes the dog starts it, sometimes he starts it. From “timeout” and “disappearing toys” to a belt across the arse nothing seems to stop him.
We took pictures of him in the hospital to show him later in hopes of instilling a little caution in him. We’ll see.
I don’t know, Heckler, going to the hospital in a 1957 chevy ambulance would be pretty neat! And in Cuba, there wouldn’t be a lot of traffic between you and the hospital.
Of course, in the countries with government supplied MRIs your boy would be waiting about 14 months for his MRI. (Just a little less time than you wait for a pregnancy test!)
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Heckler
Posted June 28, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
Bigs Thanks to-
E.R. staff at Susan B. Allen.
The Butler County Ambulance Crew.
Trauma Staff at Wesley.
Wesley Pediatric ICU staff and the entire staff of the Pediatric floor.
The great human beings running the MRI and CT equipment at Wesley.
Monday my 5 yr old son got kicked in the head by a horse. He was conscious and mobile when I got to him but it was obvious that he had at the least a concussion and a badly shredded ear. We rushed him by car to El Dorado. The Susan B. staff evaluated him and quickly packaged him for a quick trip complete with lights and sirens(my boy loves that stuff) to Wesley.
The Trauma staff fixed his ear up and determined that he had no bleeding or swelling in his brain despite the three skull fractures.
He and I spent 24 hrs in the PICU and three days in a room on the Pediatric floor.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON we encountered at Susan B., Butler County EMS, and Wesley were awesome!
We got home Friday afternoon. And it’s good to be home. My son still has poor balance. I’m sure that will take a few months of healing and perhaps some therapy to fix.
And thank you God!
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Special prayers for your son and his recovery.
God speed on the health of your whole family.
Heckler it is times like this that we appreciate our healtcare system the most. What great people we have to take care of those we love. Raising three boys we spent time in ER and I was always impressed with the devotion most had for the welfare of their patients.
Gods blessings on your son.
Now, lets not let the injuries to this boy allow us to wander off into the healthcare needs abyss that confronts the nation… ok??
Heckler posted June 28, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“The government won’t be funding the folks who acted on my sons behalf, my insurance company will.”
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Actually, all of the policy holders who paid premiums to your insurance company will pay for your son’s dumb habit of chasing horses.
And all of the policy holders who pay premiums also pay for the overhead of the insurance company, the agents, marketing, etc.
Cosmos I know the left won’t say a word but you are a moron. You post day after day some specious arguments that have no or little basis in fact. You just post what some scientist you agree has written as fact. You have heros like algore and then you have the audacity to say something to Heckler that is as stupid as you just did.
Why do people doubt your arguments? Because you are such a fake. Pretending to only want what is right for our earth while treating human beings as if they are worthless.
Woah!
Glad to hear your son is recovering, Heckler. Wow.
I hope the only thing he remembers of this whole thing is the cool ambulance ride (that’s so funny).
But really: whew. Glad to hear he’s doing well, and best wishes!
heckler, why don’t you tell them how you don’ot have insurance and then see how your er extravaganza fares.
Acually, OKOB, Cosmos happens to be right also… We cant forget that the “We the People” who are the government, and the “We the People” who are the insurance consumers/customers/policy holders… are in reality the same “We the People.”
Now that being said, I repeat what I said above:
Let’s not let the injuries to this boy allow us to wander off into the healthcare needs abyss that confronts the nation… ok??
“Chas” says –
“Let’s not let the injuries to this boy allow us to wander off into the healthcare needs abyss that confronts the nation… ok??”
Nope.
I can’t deal with that.
Because part of the health care system America has to deal with is base on the for-profit actuarial model that — from a for-profit perspective — make a whole lot of sense.
Only about 20% of people insured by for-profit health care insurers are likely to develop a threat to the insurers’ profit-making potential. But to cover the spread, for-profit insurance companies tend to deny coverage to more than 38% of their subscribers… unless they appeal.
I am astounded that we can’t get down to the bottom line; the basic decision we should come to grips with:
Shouldn’t health care be a basic human right?
Yeah, the human race somehow survived people pouring raw sewage out the window into the gutters. But we kinda figured out that sewers might be a better idea.
The only-est reason “this” kid had the ER at Susan B. Allen and the EMTs attending him en route to Wesley’s trauma center and (in your words) “EVERYBODY at Wesley” was there on the spot to deal with the emergency at hand… is because some “Libs” along the way figured out we’re all in this together.
My house hasn’t caught on fire. I take whatever precautions I can think of that it won’t. But I have no grudge about the taxes I pay — SOCIALISM!!! — that supports the fire department which responded to the fire down the block or across the street.
“Heckler” has come face-to-face with the benefits of all his political ideology opposes. He’s been hoisted on his political petard because Liberalism happened to work and “Heckler” is forced into a corner trying to defend his political ideology versus reality.
Chas did someone tell you were the blog monitor and could decide who was right and who was wrong.
I said Cosmos acted like a moron in talking about Heckler’s son.He did.
Talking stupid about someone’s injury and calling someone an idiot only in your world is a discussion of healthcare.
“Chas did someone tell you were the blog monitor and could decide who was right and who was wrong.”
Yes, I did, under my authority as Blog King for Life.
It comes with the territory.
okob AS USUAL… YOUR reading comprehension is running low again… I never posted anyting about right or wrong… I just said that Cosmos was right as well…
And THEN, I said I didnt think it was good to allow this child’s injuries to let us wander off down this healthcare needs road we seem hell bent to follow…
Your problem with that is WHAT???
CapnAmerica,
You were making the argument that I was not rational because of my belief.
If the issue is my rejection of what current science says the age of the Earth is and Evolutionary Theory as my being irrational, then you have yet to prove that.
I can very intellegently and rationally debate the merits of either of those topics and why I don’t just accept them as fact now.
Instead you choose to link my belief in Creation, A belief that many Christians have, to my being irrational.
I think the word Hypocrite comes to mind.
Whenever I question your Chrisitanity or Chas’s Christianity all of a sudden I am painted as wrong, bad, judgemental…etc… and told that I have no place to do this.
When you call me a heretic and my belief irrational, that is ok?
I know many people who are Scientists, Chemists, and Doctors who all believe in a Young Earth Creation.
My belief in that doesn’t make me irrational in everything that I discuss.
Even if you could prove that my belief is irrational in that area, you cant logically conclude that any conversation that I have must also be irrational.
There is not any logic to that.
So instead of having a discussion with me on whatever subject we are talking about you choose to introduce an irrelevant subject as proof of my not being rational when you can’t prove that I am irrational let alone how that irrationality then means that anything I am talking about is also irrational.
Ultimately is it the classical logical fallacy of the ad hominem.
If you are unable to defend your argument you choose instead to attack the poster.
In regards to the Creation story in the Bible, I don’t think the “church” throughtout it’s history had a clear cut doctrinal stance on the issue.
I do believe that the idea for a Young Earth Creation came about at least around a thousand years ago.
For the most part, church doctrine is not dependant upon a literal or non-literal interpretation.
In the grand scheme of things, it has little to do with our Salvation or our relationship with Christ.
I don’t really care if Christians don’t believe it or do and don’t think it matters either way.
I do believe that the literal interpretaion is true though.
That doesn’t make me a heretic.
Calling me one, simply makes you a hypocrite and a very judgemental and intolerant person.
So Madman McCain takes credit for a bill he opposed:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_takes_credit_for_Gi_bill_0628.html
I wonder what else he’ll take credit for? He’s pushed for tougher CAFE standards after opposing them. He supports wind energy although he voted against measures to support wind energy. He even took Obama’s motto about hope after criticizing hope as an empty platitude.
Senile or stupid?
Nathan — and all the rest of you with an interest…. Please Read Hebrews 6:1-3… Please??
Thank you.
“I know many people who are Scientists, Chemists, and Doctors who all believe in a Young Earth Creation.”
Name them………………….
Hell, at least NUMBER them………………
“Senile or stupid?”
Eh, both?
Quite a dangerous combination – Case Study: Ronald Reagan.
Maggotpunk,
McCain missed the vote. This was the compromised version of the bill which was passed.
McCain supported the compromised version.
McCain was one of the Republicans working to get this version.
“This was the compromised version of the bill which was passed.”
No it wasn’t.
WS Clark,
Tell me your son-in-laws name. I would like the names of all his friends who also have a problem with me as well.
Check the facts……………
http://www.military.com/news/article/senate-passes-webb-gi-bill.html
“President Bush has promised to veto the legislation, championed by Sen. Jim Webb, a Democrat. But the 75-22 margin, more than the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto, suggests momentum in favor of the Webb bill may be unstoppable.”
May 22, 2008 – Virginian-Pilot
“I would like the names of all his friends who also have a problem with me as well.”
Okay, send me an e-mail and I will give you the info.
WSClark52@gmail.com
WS Clark,
Yes it was. Why do you think it passed with a 92 – 6 margin?
Why did it contain all the Compromises?
Go to the website and see for yourself:
http://www.gibill2008.org/sidebyside.html
You can see the original bill, the first bill proposed, and then the Compromised version.
The Compromised version contains the wording that McCain was fighting for.
He wanted the abilty for transfers. That was what he was talking about in his speech.
How hard of a concept is this to grasp?
WS Clark,
I would not give the names of my friends over the internet or email without permission.
Do you think that there are no Doctors or Scientists who believe in Young Earth creation?
Objections By Feingold, Dodd Forces Senate to Delay Vote On FISA Bill
http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?view=article&id=170%3Aobjections-by-feingold-dodd-forces-senate-to-delay-vote-on-fisa-bill&option=com_content
It’s not over, folks! Keep the pressure on. Possible vote July 8.
“I would not give the names of my friends over the internet or email without permission.”
Well, god damn it, get permission.
“That was what he was talking about in his speech.”
Horseshit.
WS Clark,
Did you watch the speech? He very specifically talks about the trasfer ability.
Watch it again.
WS Clark,
Why do you want their names?
Nathan, in his unyielding ignorance states:
“This was the compromised version of the bill which was passed.”
In reality:
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-local_gibill2_0627jun27,0,6727338.story
Webb’s bill didn’t magically become McCain’s watered down bill. McCain announced his support when it was evident it was going to pass and he jumped on the bandwagon. But Nathan is always light on the facts and probably watches Fox News where they probably report that McCain created the bill and got the entire Senate behind him.
“Why do you want their names?”
Ah, because I think you are lying?
Besides, just like you want to know who my son in law is and who his friends are, I want to know who these “Doctors and Scientists” are that believe that the Earth is only 8,000 years old.
Fair enough?
So, send me an e-mail and I will provide names.
And then you can do the same.
And you know it’s “incentivizing.”
Near as I can tell, McCain opposed the bill and supported an alternative that focused more on career soldiers than on the great majority who leave after their first four years. He said, “I am running for the office of commander in chief. That is the highest privilege in this country, and it imposes the greatest responsibilities. And this is why I am committed to our bill, despite the support Senator Webb’s bill has received,” McCain, a Navy veteran and Vietnam prisoner of war, said at the New Mexico Veterans Memorial Monday. “It would be easier, much easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation.”
And then, as has become his habit he MISSED THE VOTE.
The bill that passed WAS a compromise bill as most are. It wasn’t the compromise McCain was pushing for.
And, he did take credit when he used the word “we.” He wants to play both sides. In today’s world of YouTube, cameras, microphones he will have a difficult time getting away with that.
“Did you watch the speech? He very specifically talks about the trasfer ability.”
Okay Nathan, it’s pretty apparently you know little about military issues like the GI Bill (one of those successful socialist programs). Before the Webb bill benefits could be transferred if approved by the department secretaries. It wasn’t considered an issue since it wasn’t used. Bush and McSame just threw that it so they could declare some victory, but it wasn’t the real reason why they opposed the bill in the first place.
As usual your attempt to spin the issue just makes you look foolish.
Today, McCain faced Latino voters and tried to go back to being in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. Which at one time, before he had to abandon this deep-seated conviction in order to secure his parties nomination, he said he did support. Guess what? Now that he is the presumptive candidate he goes back to what he said before. WHO knows what he truly supports? He has to change in order to please the current audience!
WS Clark,
I didn’t really want those names. I thought you would get the point on not providing such private information.
I don’t care if you think I am a liar.
I won’t give them names of my friends to you.
“The 2002 Defense Authorization Act allows service members with critical military skills to transfer up to 18 months of their current G.I. bill benefits to their spouse or to one or more children if they have served at least six years and agree to serve at least four more.”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805190007
What a compromise, providing a benefit to a bill that already existed. So what would have happened if the Webb bill wasn’t altered to include the transfer language? Well, the benefits could still be transfered.
Oh, this is an interesting development:
ADVISORY: Greens formally endorse Cindy Sheehan over Rep. Pelosi in SF
The San Francisco Green Party – a powerful force in progressive San Francisco politics – has endorsed the independent run by peace activist Cindy Sheehan against Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D) in November.
The SFGP decision means Sheehan – who lost her son Casey in the war in Iraq – will have a strong ally in her bid to upset Pelosi in the 8th Congressional District. Greens hold several key San Francisco elected positions, including SF Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, and Mark Sanchez, president of the SF Board of Education, who is running for a supervisor slot.
http://newsblaze.com/story/20080625140211zzzz.nb/topstory.html
Nervous Dems who think this might hand control of the district to the Repubs should remember this is San Francisco. . . and I’d like to see Steny Hoyer try to become Speaker!
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Just skimmed the thread. Hecker, sorry about your kid, and glad he’s getting better.
McCain has “incentivized” me to check regularly for what he says he believes today. Which deep-seated conviction is he following. Makes me dizzy trying to see where he lands on the issues!
………exactly how old is the Earth marine-BOY?
“I didn’t really want those names. I thought you would get the point on not providing such private information.”
Well, why did you ask then, Natie? I would gladly e-mail you the names – no prob.
What about you – did you just make up that horseshit?
I guess is yes………………………………
Correction:. . . and I’d like to see Steny Hoyer try to become Speaker deafeated in the primary!
Actually, that was one of the reasons why McCain didn’t support the original bill.
You can read the news from back then to see it:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4652517
“McCain indicated he would offer some sort of alternative to the legislation to address concerns that expanding the GI Bill could lead more members of the military to get out of the service.”
He was looking for those who choose to stay in to be able to transfer those benefits as the compromised bill does.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/10451
“But, with the addition of a clause allowing service members to transfer their benefits to family members, McCain now supports the 21st Century Bill of Rights, the proposal to give substantially more benefits to veterans for college after their service in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he’ll support a deal between the White House and House Democrats to fund the war along with $21 billion in domestic spending.”
WS Clark,
Asked and answered already.
Huh–I guess I can’t use the deprecated ’s’ for strikeout anymore. Oh well.
So the question still remains, why do you liberals keep trying to be so dishonest about McCain?
………you haven’t answered my question marine-BOY.
WS Clark,
Here is Apophis once again doing nothing in the thread other than harrassing me.
Will you question him on why he continues to do this when I have said nothing about him?
Apophis,
What school do you teach at, what grade, and who is your supervisors name?
Do you think your peers and supervisor would approve of your actions on this blog?
…………”harrassing”?
I asked you a simple question.
Chas if you weren’t so stupid you would be funny. WS is the best you got! Wow I am impressed.
I said and will say again that someone who daily panders to the GWers of the world for the safety of the planet and show so little regard for the human species is stupid and I will repeat that again since you have that comprehension problem you talk about so often.
…it is none of your business where I work.
My peers would not be suprised that I question you and your reichwing, creationist crap.
It wouldn’t matter what my supervisor thinks about what I post. What I do on my time is MY business. Besides, he/she would expect this from me as well.
………….struck out again marine-BOY!
Apophis,
You ask me that question over and over again and you already know the answer. I have already answered the question before.
That is why it is not a simple question and why I will not answer it…again.
Apophis,
I don’t believe it. If you are not worried about what you say here why do you choose to hide behind a nic?
…….I think using a “nic” is common practice on this blog marine-BOY.
…………I’m out of here for the evening, have a granddughter’s birthday party to attend.
Would you act like you do towards my father or I in front of your granddaughter?
What the …? N.C. offers new license plates
RALEIGH, N.C. – Thanks to some text message-savvy grandchildren, North Carolina drivers whose license plates have the potentially offensive “WTF” letter combination can replace the tags for free.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25356069/
This is funny!
okobserver,
1) Where DO the for-profit health insurance companies get their funds, if not from premiums paid by policy holders?
2) How much money does the for-profit health insurance industry waste on non-medical issues — overhead, agents, paperwork, marketing, etc?
3) Is it wise for a 5-year boy to habitually chase horses? Parental responsibilty? That kick could’ve caused a permanent disabilty, or even death.
4) Instead of attacking Al Gore, why don’t you directly attack the AGW science, for example as reported at
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
5) Do you have ANY credible science refuting AGW? Answer: NO.
All that you have okobserver, is ad hominems and false attacks.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Nathan goes into to full “victim me” mode when his arrogance is called out.
He said that belief in God is just like belief in a young earth. (Apophis, Nathan and Hank have said already that they believe the earth is only 6-10 thousand years old. As you and the rest of the world knows, the earth has been conclusively dated to 4.5 BILLION years old.)
I pointed out that the two beliefs are quite different because believe in God is impossible to prove or disprove while a belief in a “young earth” has been fully discredited.
For that, the delicate flower of sensibility claims that I am attacking him “for his religious faith,” sob sob.
Wrong.
I’m attacking you for rejecting factual science to justify a wrong-headed reading of the Bible.
As for your “doctors and scientists” who believe in a young earth, well . . . you can find Jews who deny the Holocaust I suppose too.
But I know for a fact they don’t represent the vast–and I mean vast–majority.
There are no credible scientists that believe in the young earth theory…some who belive may SAY that they are a scientist, that doesn’t make them one. It is well accepted in the scientific community (the REAL one) that the earth is much older than you believe, Nathan. What was written in the Bible is not scientific proof of anything. All you have is your belief, and no evidence of a “young earth” at all.
Good points, Cosmos, about how Heckler’s neglience of his son raises the health care costs of everyone.
If you can’t stop your child from chasing horses, the logical thing would be to . . . wait for it . . . get rid of the f*cking horses.
Instead, Heckler hopes that his kid has finally “learned his lesson.”
Jeez, Heck, why don’t you throw him into traffic so he’ll learn to watch out for cars while you’re at it.
People with money . . . you don’t have to be around them very long to see there’s no connection between intelligence and wealth.
Disclaimer– we had horses when I was growing up. My dad broke his ankle when a horse he was breaking threw itself onto its back. My mother broke her pelvis when thrown from a horse. My brother had a horse panic on him and run him under a tree branch, knocking him out of the saddle. One of my girlfriends was thrown and broke her arm–it could have just as well have been her back. I saw a cat walk up behind a tied up horse and get kicked and fly through the air like a football. I started to rush over to it, and my dad stopped me and said, “don’t bother, that cat is dead.” Of course, it was.
Strangely, I was never only one who never got hurt riding. Probably a mixture of fear (recognizing that I was on an animal that weighed a ton with the brain the size of baseball) and anger when I refused to take one inch of crap from a misbehaving animal.
The Amish who train a stubborn horse by breaking a 2 x 4 over its head have it figured out.
I wonder if anyone on the planet has taken Nathan seriously after he said the universe is only 10,000 years old.
Good point, MP.
Good point.
CapnAmerica,
I am not in victim mode.
I simply pointed out the obvious.
Instead of trying to engage in an actual discussion you choose the logical fallacy of ad hominem attack.
Just the facts.
You don’t counter my pointing out the obvious fallacy you employ by continuing to employ the same fallacy in saying that I am playing the victim and mocking me.
There are a great deal of Christians who do believe in Young Earth Creation as well. It is not just a “fringe” group as you try to play off here.
‘Staying “A Kick Away’
http://www.whmentors.org/saf/kick.html
“Little kids can easily disappear into a horse’s blind spot, then pop into view when they make some sudden movement, startling the horse. Children have been seriously hurt by horses who have never kicked before when they have been playing in or have run up into the horse’s blind spot.”
Also has photo of a dime that was bent by a colt’s kick to a pocket, and story of a 13-year girl who suffered paralysis to her right side after being kicked at a horse show.
‘Horse-related injuries in children: a review.’
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15856743
“In 2002, there were an estimated 13,400 emergency department visits nationwide for horse-related injuries among children younger than 15 years.
When using a severity score to compare it with other childhood injuries, equestrian-related injury ranked second only to pedestrians being struck by a car, and had a higher score than all terrain vehicle, bicycle, and passenger motor vehicle crash injuries. Most serious injuries occur when a rider is thrown from a horse, which is often accompanied by being dragged or crushed by the horse.
However, hoof kick injuries to an unmounted child represent about 30% of horse-related injuries and may result in more severe injury. Head injury is the injury most likely to result in hospitalization or death.
The effectiveness of helmets in preventing serious head injury in horse-related accidents has been very well established.”
CapnAmerica,
By having faith in God, at some point you are rejecting science just as I do.
The only difference between you and I is the point at which you do.
Like you said before, Science doesn’t address God.
Science, however, will never allow for God to be in the explanation.
For you to have faith in a supernatural being, at some point, you must interject that supernatural being into the equation and reject what science says at that point.
The question is, at what point to you reject science CapnAmerica and why is your rejection above the mocking you give to me?
Mary,
When you set the standard for credibility on not believing in creation then of course you can dismiss anyone who does as not credible.
That is not how the field of science works.
Sorry.
Nathaniel,
Do you still believe that an agricultural ECONOMIST who LIES about what climate scientists believe is a credible source of climate science?
If yes, please offer a reasonable, logical explanation for that belief.
Rage, here’s a link to Cynthia McKinney’s endorsement of Cindy Sheehan.
Go CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com/node/387
Of you go to the homepage of this website, you can listen to a radio debate amongst the Green Party candidates.
I especially like the part where Cynthia comments that the idea of the democrats taking over congress was to change Washington. Instead, Washington changed pelosi.
Reid? I think he was always a jerk. Nothing changed there.
Cosmos,
This is what I seriously believe:
If AGW was as serious of a problem as you and others actually believe it is, you would be out there doing something to stop it instead of going about your lives “business as usual” posting on a blog and acting like everything is ok.
According to you and otehrs AGW is a deadly problem and that if we don’t act now (actually, now as in almost a year ago now) then it will be too late.
I can tell you one thing for sure. You, the other bloggers here who believe it, and even those out in the media pushing it, are not acting like this is the crisis you say it is.
It is like we are on the Titantic. You and others think that you know the ship is sinking, only it will take 50-100 years for it to happen. You figure that if we dont start pumping water and sacrificing things to help the weight of the ship, it will be too late to stop it from sinking.
We need to act now. Yet, you make this argument while going about life on the ship as if everything is just fine. No big deal.
Go ahead and sit on the deck, sun tan, enjoy life, don’t worry about the ship sinking like you say it is.
Meanwhile, the rest of us who don’t believe you are sitting here watching how you act and have no reason to believe you.
Perhaps when you and others actually start acting like this AGW problem is half as bad as you claim it to be, then people will notice.
The problem is that AGW is not even half the problem people like you say it is.
This argument will be going on 10 years from now and your side will still be saying “If we don’t act now it will be too late” only by then you will look much more silly than you do now.
Linda, yer probably long gone, but…
We STILL have an old fashioned soda fountain at Cleland’s Drug Store. They make the best burgers and malts and orange fizzes and hand squeezed limeades, and well, hell, EVERYTHING they make is just like it used to be.
I highly recommend the lunchtime crowd. Clelands are longtime liberal Democrats of the finest kind. Many a heated but good debate has gone on at that soda fountain and lunch counter since WJ opened the store oh so long ago.
Needless to say, I cut my political teeth there, and Jim Cleland taught me everything I know about community development.
It’s a treasure. I’d love for anyone to be my guest there, anytime! Burgers and malts are on me!
But the political abuse is free :)
Sounds like a great place KFG. I would love to go there if I am ever up that way.
Nathaniel,
One main reason for slow action on AGW is fools like you, who have insisted that an LYING agricultural ECONOMIST is a credible climate science source.
Pointing out on this blog that you’re a fool, and wrong about AGW is a worth a few minutes of my time.
And I’m not living my life “business as usual”, as you falsely claim.
Cosmos,
I was not talking about you alone.
It is hardly a few minutes of your time either.
You have spent the last year arguing on this blog almost everyday, at all hours of the day, with people on AGW.
OKOB — Whast the HELL are you ranting about?? I dont recall sayhing anything to Clark today?? You wahnt to show that, or are you just in one of your “bitch at anything Chas says” moods??? So what is it you were bitching about upthread???
It’s worth the trip Nathan. I’d buy tickets to see you and Jim Cleland “debate”. YIKES!!!!!
Ya know, you and the old man and Joyce could always come up here for hunting season…
If Nathan takes the word of an economist on the scientific matters concerning climate change I wonder if he would get his surgery from the kid who cleans his pool.
Then again, Nathan is a creationist so everything is equally as valid.
…and now for something different…
Since Pre isnt here, I better alert you all to this tonight on NBC. A rebroadcast of the VERY FIRST episode of Saturday Night Live, from October 11, 1975, hosted by George Carlin tonight on NBC. With musical guests Janis Ian and Billy Preston.
I actually remember watching it back then. With a big fat joint and a Jax beer in hand.
Hey, it was the seventies…
I don’t know, does the kid who cleans my pool have a pretty solid reputation at surgery and the facilities to do it in?
Actually, I suppose I would have to have a pool first though…
Nevermind.
I will take you up on that in the fall kfg.
Wow. Sounds like Hecklers kid is lucky he is insured.
I wonder what would happen to a kid who wasn’t?
Nevermind. I know.
Letting your kid chase horses?
And heckler is one of the gun nuts too.
The kid will be lucky to make it to 6.
NO then OKOB — What the HELL are you ranting about?? I havent posted anything but what is just upthread since 5:08 p.m. and nothing posted too or about WS!!!
However, this is your stupid bitching rant >>>> and yuou wonder why I accuse you of a reading problem??? >>>
okobserver
Posted June 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
Chas if you weren’t so stupid you would be funny. WS is the best you got! Wow I am impressed.
I said and will say again that someone who daily panders to the GWers of the world for the safety of the planet and show so little regard for the human species is stupid and I will repeat that again since you have that comprehension problem you talk about so often.
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I DONT THINK SO BITCH!!!
KFG,
I have not hunted in a long time, even though Im a hunters safety instructor… LOL
Although, it would be one of those nice road trips.
BlueJay,
Last time we talked, you told us your kid was insured by the state.
Is he no longer?
Chas,
In all seriousness, that kind of language is simply uncalled for.
Don’t you think you are better than that?
“We need to act now. Yet, you make this argument while going about life on the ship as if everything is just fine. No big deal.”
He means about global warming.
Well I can’t speak for cosmos.
Already acting here.
I haven’t run the air conditioner yet this year. I open the windows at night and close them by morning. I have a fan at the base of the stairs that pushes cool air up from the basement.
Any place I have to go that is less than a mile away I walk or ride a bike.
We live close to the school. I have already told my son he has no need for a car and will not be getting one before he is 18.
Ch ch changes. Gotta do it.
By having faith in God, at some point you are rejecting science just as I do.
Entirely false. Science knows what it can know and knows what it can’t know. Since it can’t know a metaphysical construct, it doesn’t claim to know it.
The only difference between you and I is the point at which you do.
Entirely false, and willfully ignoring the point I made previously. Science doesn’t say “God doesn’t exist.” Science says “we can’t prove that God exists.”
Science DOES say that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 10,000 years old. So to argue the contrary as you do is a willful rejection of science.
Big difference.
Science will never allow for God to be in the explanation.
Again, false. Mere speculation on your part. If quantifiable evidence were found for God, science would be compelled to consider it like any other theory with testable evidence.
For you to have faith in a supernatural being, at some point, you must interject that supernatural being into the equation and reject what science says at that point.
This is simply repeating what you said previously. It’s still false.
The question is, at what point to you reject science CapnAmerica
I don’t reject science, I fully embrace it and accept it.
and why is your rejection above the mocking you give to me?
Because what you believe IS a rejection of science . . . AND a misreading of The Bible to boot.
It’s not good science OR good theology.
It should be mocked by reasonable people.
Nathan — You posted somewhere on here that you cant believe in God(Creation) and Evolution… WHY NOT?? WHO SAYS THAT?? I KNOW OF MANY SUCH FOLKS WHO BELIEVE IN GOD AND IN CREATION!! (Caps for Emphasis, and so Granny can READ it) —
You also claimed you know of many scientists who believe whast YOU claim… Young Earth Superstition….
Someone asked you to NAME THEM… You went off into some stupid, disconnected tirade, and refused….
So, Nathan, NAME THOSE SCIENTISTS WHO YOU SAY BELIEVE YOUR NUT CASE IMAGINARY YOUNG EARTH SUPERSTITION….
Make sure they are REAL Scientists, too….
Nathan is right, Chas.
If your going to show irritation, you should accuse someone of downloading kiddy porn like Nathan does.
That’s what a Christian would do . . .
:roll:
Nathan thinks that Dr. Demento is a real doctor.
Then Nathan, why dont YOU tell the wench to stop her constant barrage of LIES about anything I post here?? Maybe then I wouldnt call her a Bitch!! Damn, its just that simple, boy….
And now, she is ranting away and railing at me over something I didnt even post about!! And YOU want me to take it easy on HER??? You really are a half a bale short of a hay stack!!
You’re right CapN — My bad!!
KGrrl–
The Pride Parade is tomorrow in Wichita.
I’m going . . . to heckle the hecklers, hehe.
CapnAmerica,
I don’t think you are looking at science enough here.
Science has attempted to explain everything from not only the first life form, but also from the first matter to the universe.
No where does Science involve God in any of that.
Yes, at some point, you do not take a scientific explanation and do take one of God.
Do you reject the Big Ban Theory?
No matter how far you try to break down when the “beginning” was, science seeks to explain that without God.
So, at what point to you believe God was involved?
When do you start believeing that God did something or do you believe God did nothing?
Nathaniel,
It really hasn’t taken that much of my time.
You AGW deniers don’t seem to be able to think and/or understand, and mostly keep posting the same stupid, bogus anti-AGW talking points.
I keep a text file with links, do a quick copy/paste from that, and post it.
Plus I’m usually multi-tasking, waiting for a run to finish, or taking a break.
CapnAmerica,
In case you missed it, I made a vow a few nights ago to cease being vulgar and doing my best to make no more personal attacks, i.e. name calling etc…
I apologize for every saying what I did to MonkeyHawk.
He is one of the only posters here who has ever actually upset me.
I chose to say something mean to him which I should not have done.
It does nothing to further any kind of decorum here for me to do those things.
I don’t enjoy doing them either.
I seek to be a better poster here.
“At what point do you believe God was involved?”
At the beginning, in the middle, and at the end.
God is involved all the time.
The Big Bang Theory, Evolution and The Bible Creation Myth all say the same thing. There is no contradiction except from literalists who want to make an Omnipotent God into a tinker who plays with mud.
“Do you reject the Big Ban Theory?”
What is that theory? Something to do with arm-pit deodorant?
Regarding your 9:27 post, Nathan–
Fair enough. I accept your statement. I should go and do likewise.
I must say, Chas is a more worthless human being than I thought. Calling a woman the “B” word on the blog.
Chas’s credibility just went subzero.
CapN — I heard an interesting interview on the radio las nite… This guy said that if a modern geneticist looked at the story in Genesis 2, about God taking a Rib from Adam, and making Eve… That scientist of our century might look at that old Bible story, and call it Cloning…. Hmmmmm….
Most interesting….
So, Nathan, did you and any others read that little short section from Hebrews 6:1-3??? I am guessing not… :-)
Sure Regular… But, I dont talk about the size of another man’s testicles… LOL Guess that pretty well sizes you up, eh???
Chas,
I read it.
What more do you want? Do you want a discussion on the verse?
Regular — When she quits calling me a liar about anything I post, and stops going off on rants about things not even posted… I might consider an apology… But not before that…
I always thought it remarkable, Chas, that if you look at the Genesis story in light of evolution, the progress from “primitive” to “complex” life follows the basic outline of what Darwin posited.
Even 5,000 years ago or more, when those stories were told and finally written, the understanding of how life arose and flourished was already evident at some level.
Nope Nathan… just try doing it!!
And please notice, it was not addressed just to you, either… ok??
CapnAmerica,
You basically gave me a non-answer.
Do you believe God was involved in any aspect of anything regarding this universe?
I am going to assume that you believe that God is omnipotent. He has always been and always will be.
Do you believe that the universe just came into existence with no involvement from God what-so-ever?
So we have God and all of a sudden God just happened to notice that there was a universe and by some random chance that universe brought forth intelligent life.
So here is God, he decides that this universe which just happened without any involvement from Him has produced people which he could interact with?
Is that what you believe?
Yea, CapN… And the same with the “flood” and all of those pairings on that “ship” —
And IF we really had that big bad flood, then where did we get those creatures like Goliath still hanging around all those years afterwards??? Ever try fitting that into Literalist Land??? Doesnt fit so good!!
And polar bears and penguins on the Ark?? Right!!
Chas,
Don’t you think that it is important to also read up to verse 6 to get the full meaning of what is being said there?
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Chas
Posted June 28, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink
Regular — When she quits calling me a liar about anything I post, and stops going off on rants about things not even posted… I might consider an apology… But not before that…
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Real men don’t consider apologies, they just give them.
Nathan, in Genesis 1, WHEN are the humans created?? Now, WHEN is the MAN created in Genesis 2?? Please notice, I am not interpreting anything, or manipulating anything… only asking that YOU use your brain…
Actually, I’m not a big fan of Paul, for a variety of reasons.
First, everytime you’re in a very Protestant church (Presby, Methodist, and especially MENNONITE) and you hear the pastor start off with “According to the Apostle Paul . . . ” you know you’re going to be in for A LONG 25 minutes of snooze inducing material.
Second, the guy wanted to be Socrates. He’s so Neo-Greek with all the Stoic and Platonic influences, it’s hard to get to the Christian.
Third, because of his emphasis on Aristotlian rationalism, the awe-inspiring paradoxical mysticism of the Risen Christ is downplayed. “For a seed to live, it has to die.” “For a man to live, he must kill his parents.” “Let the dead bury the dead.”
These are like Zen ko-an that raise consciousness by defying rational thought and move to direct experience of the unknowable.
…………….so marine-BOY, are you going to answer the question?
How old is the Earth?
Chas,
Do you think I am not doing what the verse says? How so?
Not necessarily Nathan… The ancient pericopes dont see that need… You can if you want… But Heb. 6:1-3 makes its own point…
With Paul, you get a list of homilies . . .
Apophis,
The question has been asked by you before and answered by me before.
Even today, the question has been inderectly answered several times.
Why do you keep asking?
Farm girl, darling!
Several things.
First, thanks for the post the other day, however, I think I can explain why I’m fond of you, and I’m pleased to be considered a friend!
I don’t hunt any more either, I don’t really care to much for it anymore. I was stationed in Idaho twice in my Navy career and it spoiled me for everything except pheasant hunting.
As far as Cleland’s goes, how far are you from Osborne? I’d love to join you and your’s with me and mine for an old fashioned cherry limeaid!
I can see your Pauline argument, CapN… I agree with it, as well… However, Hebrews is not likely written by Pau… The textual analysis suggests not… See A Textual Commentary on the Greek NT
I believe that everything in the universe is according to God’s plan–nothing is “random chance” in the sense that you’re talking about.
When God wanted a universe to exist, it sprang into being–The Big Bang–and when he wanted a sentient being capable of recognizing Him, humans developed.
Nathan, I dont know if you are following the admonition of the Author of Hebrews or not… I just wanted you to READ those verses… And I dont want to debate it either… Sometimes, people post something for the sheer sake of wanting people to just READ it… This is one of those…
Nathan, in Genesis 1, WHEN are the humans created?? Now, WHEN is the MAN created in Genesis 2?? Please notice, I am not interpreting anything, or manipulating anything… only asking that YOU use your brain…
“God does not play dice with the Universe.” Einstein
Yup, that sums it up for me too.
……..scared to type in marine-BOY?
Do you need your daddy to hold your hand?
Forgot to mention,
Thanks for the heads up about SNL!
I watched the first episode when stationed in Idaho. Last Wednesday or Thursday channel 150 of XM radio played George Carlin all day.
Unbelievable talent! We lost him too soon.
Chas,
Why don’t you just tell us what you think Hebrews 6: 1-3 means so there is no confusion?
I clrealy believe that you should read verses 4-6 to get a better understanding and you don’t.
So obviously we are not on the same page here.
Please share.
Chas,
You just said that you didn’t only want me to read it. I just asked you that.
You said:
“Nope Nathan… just try doing it!!”
What is it you want me to try to do?
Chas,
Please forgive me, I am still trying to have a discussion with you on Hebrews and you are jumping to Genesis.
Can we finish one before going to the other?
I’ll start being kinder to the fundy Christians when they quit telling people how to live.
Science can explain EVEYTHING about the origin of the universe right down to a few micro seconds after its origin.
God? That can’t be explained. If there was a God what was he doing BEFORE the big bang? Sitting around pondering his own existence? Hobnobbing with other Gods and had a falling out with them?
TV time . . . I got “Tour of Duty,” the series on the Vietnam War from the late 80’s.
Great entertainment and very thought provoking.
It was too intense for the home viewer, who only wanted “caring and sharing” at the time like The Cosby Show.
But it had some great writing and really made you feel what those kids were going through.
Adios, amigos . . .
CapnAmerica,
Alright, so you do believe that God created the universe.
You seem to indicate that at some point, God intereacted once again to create man.
Now, no where in science is there any explanation for how God was involved in humans coming into existence.
So how do you reconcile that?
Evolutionary thoery is based entirely on random chance.
According to science, it was random chance that a life was formed and then through random chance mutations over time all life developed and humans merely came about through this process.
Where do you think God was involved in that?
BlueJay,
Are you not telling people how to live by forcing them to adopt green lifestyle policies through government mandates?
How is that any different?
You can’t try to understand the ineffable mind of God, JR.
Actually, there’s a lot of stuff that science can’t begin to explain. Gravity, for instance. Why should mass have a gravitational pull? Nobody really knows.
And what about that “dark matter” that has to be there because of mathematical motion of stars etc. that can’t be explained otherwise. Except nobody has really seen dark matter directly.
Or black holes. What happens to matter that gets sucked into one? Where does it go?
No idea.
Or how about the theory floating around right now that this universe we live in may only be one of an INFINITE number of universes, in which anything allowed by the laws of physics is happening.
So in this universe, JR is a populist progressive but in another universe, JR is an arch-conservative.
I won’t go into string theory. You don’t want to know.
CapnAmerica,
I think BlueJay makes a good point.
How do you involve God into that?
Now, no where in science is there any explanation for how God was involved in humans coming into existence.
So how do you reconcile that?
God is the why it happened. Evolution is the how it happened. No conflict whatsoever in my mind.
Nathan, that’s an easy one… FAITH is faith… SCIENCE is science… FAITH talks about the why’s… Science is about HOW’S…
SCIENCE can accept the beginning of the universe, without a need to put an anthropomorphic deity behind it… FAITH adds the deity…
Chas,
Seriously. I am not trying to turn this into one of my old harrassments either.
A Christian minister should not call people a BIT#$.
Anyone that choose to place themselves into a place of such leadership should strive to set an example.
I am not trying to attack you. I simply hope that you will not say such unbecomming things in the future.
Please think about. Perhaps pray about it.
CapnAmerica,
In one statement you said that God doesn’t use random chance.
Science very clearly states that it was random chance that life began and random mutation that eventually led to what we have today.
Is it wrong for science to say that?
Ditto, Chas.
What amazes me is how people can make an omniscient, omnipotent, and omniscient God into this Zeus who gets “angry” and “changes his mind” and has to breathe breath into a mud pie to create a man.
Please.
God isn’t just like a man except just bigger . . .
Green lifestyle policies are good for people, the country, and the planet.
There are SOME things in religion that are good.
But they are FAR outweighed by the faithful who think they have some sort of divine assignment.
In short, in my capacity to make the world a better place, I don’t look up.
Or down.
I look around.
CapnAmerica,
Also, is God being the “Why” a scientific statement accepted by the scientific community?
BlueJay,
I could just as easily make the argument that if more people followed basic Christian morality it would be good for people, the country, and the planet.
Do you support laws in that regard?
A web site worth reading >>>>
http://www.evolutionsunday.org
Science very clearly states that it was random chance that life began and random mutation that eventually led to what we have today.
I don’t think science says that. It says that the conditions existed on earth for life to spontenously begin. Exactly where and when may have been “random,” but it was going to happen somewhere.
It probably happened in more than one place on earth at roughly the same time — whenever conditions were right.
It’s like saying that lightning is random. It happens at random when certain conditions permit a lightning strike.
………………..the marine-BOY and his “christian” taliban is now pushing laws that follow “basic Christian morality”.
What I saying last night about the greatest danger to this country?
I believe we will find out in my lifetime that there is microbial life on Mars.
Not to diminish life in any way. But it really is not that big a deal given the right conditions and chemistry.
I trust the fundamentalists are fine tuning their message as to life in the “firmament”.
“Also, is God being the “Why” a scientific statement accepted by the scientific community?”
It is for those who choose to believe in God… :-)
CapnAmerica,
You are nit-picking the structure of my questions and avoiding the point and queation it’s self.
I accept your change. For the sake of time and my typing, I simply had given a very simplified and quick setup to the question and point.
So….
Where does God fit into that?
Time for SNL with George Carlin… Back later…
There isn’t anything corruptible or bad in green technology Nathan.
People like YOU can invent an awful lot of bad out of Christianity.
Carlin time.
I agree, JR.
About ten years or so ago, scientists were looking at a rock that had originally come from Mars. It was apparently ejected from a large comet or asteroid strike on Mars that threw Mars debris into space, some of which eventually got caught in Earth’s gravitational pull and became meteorites.
This rock had microscopic bacteria fossils in it.
Poses some intriguing questions . . .
Answer–God created the cause and effect framework for it all to happen.
I’m still trying to figure out why you think a Zeus God is better than an omniscient omnipotent one.
Carlin time indeed.
I’m out.
BlueJay,
The same people who implement green policies are the same people who are corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…
There is no such thing as some perfect group of people acting only out of the best interest of others and the betterment of all and the world.
For all the same reasons that Christians are simply humans which can fail and do wrong are the same reasons that humans who want to use green policies can to.
CapnAmerica,
So if I were to open up a science text book it would read something like:
“God created the cause and effect framework for it all to happen.”
Is that what they are teaching in schools?
Apophis,
I see you moved past repeating the same question over and over and over and over again.
There is hope for you yet.
“There is no such thing as some perfect group of people acting only out of the best interest of others and the betterment of all and the world.”
Sure there is Nathan. I’m one of them.
“God created the cause and effect framework for it all to happen.”
“The Navajo creation story involves three underworlds where important events happened to shape the Fourth World where we now live.”
http://www.lapahie.com/Creation.cfm
(Diyin God Baahózhó Nihimá Bikéyah Nízhoníye)!
What the????
Did I read that correct BlueJay?
You consider yourself to be perfect, only acting out of the best interest of others and the betterment of all the world?
Nathaniel posted June 28, 2008 at 10:36 pm
“The same people who implement green policies are the same people who are corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…
…
For all the same reasons that Christians are simply humans which can fail and do wrong are the same reasons that humans who want to use green policies can to.”
————–
So Christians are “corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…”.
Nathaniel does believe liars, like the agricultural ECONOMIST Dennis Avery.
Christians should change to a different religion. Or become agnostic, or atheist.
Nathaniel, you stated that the people who want to increase vehicle mpg, reduce home and building energy use, increase use of renewable energy, etc. are “corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…”
Please post your proof of that claim.
Cosmos,
My statement would more clearly be that:
As humans, we all fall prey to the same failings (what I would call sin, but for this discussion we will forgo that term), those of greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc.
Basically, no one is perfect.
To suggest that simply because the goal of your cause is noble that everything associated with it and the implementaion of it is not prone to any of those failings would be rather naive.
Oh I’m far from perfect Nathan.
But acting out of the best interest of others and the betterment of the world is what I am all about.
I despise wealth and consumption.
BlueJay,
I am sure that if I were to compare you and your place in the American quality of life to someone living in Ethiopia in a comparable quality of life they would see you as someone with wealth and of consumption.
In Point of Fact:
Here you are on the internet with a computer….
A luxary that most of the world will probably never have the opportunity of sharing.
My computer is second hand and enhanced with the help of a friend.
And if it were within my power to take from the sickening excess in America and GIVE to the suffering people of the world I would do it in an instant even if I had to fight to do so.
Good night; Good luck; and God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Nathaniel,
At 11:55 pm, you admit that you have NO proof of your earlier claim.
I’ve helped “implement green policies”, by helping friends and neighbors increase the energy efficiency of their homes, and cars.
I provided the advice, time, tools, and ‘muscle’ for free.
Nathaniel, does that make me one of your “corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc“?
Did my helping them reduce their energy use prove that I fell “prey” to “greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc“?
Does Nathaniel have ANYTHING besides baseless, false attacks?
“Here you are on the internet with a computer….
A luxary that most of the world will probably never have the opportunity of sharing.”
There is no reason why access to the internet should not be free.
The United States government created the infrastructure that the Internet Service Providers charge people to use.
I think that internet access should be free and worldwide. It is a chance to develop a global community and consciousness.
But probably Nathan, someone like you would see something like that as construction of the tower of Babel.
You and yours REQUIRE provincialism and division. So you can keep what you have on the backs of everyone else.
Cosmos,
You are trying to find a fight and insult where none was meant.
I am not accusing anyone person, group, or green people of being those things.
I said we are all human and can fall prey to them.
Try reading my statements again.
BlueJay,
The point is that to the person in Ethiopia who can only hope he isn’t going to stare to death you are an example of sickening excess.
Instead of taking from others, why don’t you start by giving up the excess you already have?
I’ve thought about something for a long time.
I’ve thought about going out onto the net and looking for bloggers or people with internet access worldwide to post here.
My idea was something like an internet UN.
I would really like for someone from Darfur or Tibet or Iraq or Iran to be able to speak to us here.
Maybe I should investigate that.
Sounds like a good idea Blue Jay… Try this link for starters >>>>
http://www.disciples.org
Then, Click on Global Ministries — You might be able to find some kind of Blog links there…
If you dont find what you are looking for there, try http://www.elca.org
Well compared to starving people OF COURSE I have excess Nathan.
For the next few months anyway.
But I see so much more excess and waste and greed that I am not part of.
I walk to a store that throws food in the trash when they cannot sell it at full price.
I see a Hummer idling at that same store and when I ask the guy sitting inside why he says “To piss people like you off because I can afford it!”
KFG,
I’m sure you’re long gone, but I was a step ahead of you on the SNL. Well, sort of. You see, I bought the first season of SNL DVD and watched the first show with Carlin and the rest yesterday (Friday).
I always liked Janis Ian’s “At Seventeen”. I’ll have to see if I can download that one for old time’s sake. :)
Hope those who watched SNL tonight enjoyed it. I have to admit that it took a while before the show really found its niche and took off. It was definitely worth waiting for.
Oh, when I bought the DVD, the guy ringing it up said, “The first season of SNL, huh?” I said, “Yeah.” “Back when it was good,” he said. “You got that right,” said I. ;)
Nathaniel posted June 29, 2008 at 12:21 am
“I am not accusing anyone person, group, or green people of being those things.”
Nathaniel,
ARE you irrational? Or ARE you just unable to understand what you yourself posted?
(emphasis added, for the irrational, and/or reading challenged)
Nathaniel posted June 28, 2008 at 10:36 pm
“The same people who implement green policies *ARE* the same people who are corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…“
PreD — I really loved that old show, with the original cast… what a crazy bunch!!
I noticed Carlin was making some jokes about airport security (l975) — I’m not even sure the WTC was even built at that point!! Amazing how some things dont change!!
Cosmos,
As poorly worded as my original post may have been, I have since better articulated my point.
I am neither irrational nor unable to understand what I have posted because of that.
Heckler,
Hugs and kisses to your little guy. Hoping he learned a hard taught lesson and is more careful from now on. But knowing little guys… Good luck on that!
My ex’s grandmother was kicked in the head by a horse when she was a little girl. Probably around maybe 1910 or so. She had a permanent rather large indentation above and at the outside edge of her eyebrow, not far from her temple. She lived a long, long, happy life, into her 90’s, so she was living proof that kids are blessed with hard heads, and they heal quickly.
I heard the other day that there are one billion computers operating on this planet.
Now there are only 300 million people in the United States, and of course I am well acquainted with computers being WASTED in business.
At the aircraft plant where I used to work, we had one on every corner for awhile.
That they would not teach us to use.
It is estimated that in a few years there will be 2 billion computers in operation.
I am not terribly tech savvy. But if my idea has merit, I think I can count on help.
Of course the cons WON’T help.
I’d like to work at bringing posters here from other nations.
We are told that economically we must compete against the poor and oppressed in the world.
I want those people here where we can talk to them before I am pitted against them.
Poor and oppressed, but they have a computer with internet connection and time to blog…
kind of an oxymoron don’t you think?
Nathaniel,
As I posted at 12:19 am, all that you did in your 11:55 pm post was “admit that you have NO proof of your earlier claim”.
Nathaniel’s 11:55 pm post was just lots of “weasel words”.
“As humans, we all fall prey to the same failings (what I would call sin, but for this discussion we will forgo that term), those of greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc.”
The people, and groups that match Nathaniel’s description are the ones funded by fossil-fuels, to deny AGW.
For example,
‘`Prominent Skeptics Organizations’
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Like the 100% bogus, 1998 Oregon Petition, which Nathaniel’s father (very incorrectly) insists refutes AGW.
Cosmos,
This is why it is pointless to even try to have a discussion with you.
Well…
Let’s get down to cases shall we Nathan?
Anybody who isn’t you or doesn’t have the money your family has should not have an internet connection, computer, OR the ample time that you do to blog. That is where you are coming from. They are SUPPOSED to be poor and out of the loop. That is what your God has ordered.
Lately, anyway.
Ya see Nathan, I have a very good memory.
I have seen you post about how you lived on food stamps and in government housing.
I know that your father’s current wife is not your mother. I know that your father was all over the planet while you were growing up.
I could go further into personal analysis. But I’ll spare you that.
Suffice it to say, you sold out. You forgot where you came from to embrace where Dad got you to.
BlueJay,
I am having trouble figuring out what any of that has to do with anything here be discussed?
Why do you insist on making things so personal?
There is no call for it. Especially when you are making speculations about things you don’t know.
“Poor and oppressed, but they have a computer with internet connection and time to blog…
kind of an oxymoron don’t you think?”
You make me sick Nathan.
You say in effect that “They can speak!” We should not listen to them because they can speak! The very fact that they can speak makes everything they say irrelevant!”
1) Kids dont play instruments anymore… just video games, and Ipods… but no bugles or trumpets…
2) Remember a few years back, when the media discovered the word, “gravitas”?? Well, it looks like Nathan has discovered the word “decorum” and now intends to use it against an blogger with whom he disagrees, that dares to disagree with him or his daddy… how sweet…
3) This “decorum” or “civility” thing has been played (or played with) several different times over the past few years… It doesnt seem to last any longer, than it takes somebody to debut a new sock puppet nic… and awayyyyyy we goooo all over again!! Oh gee, I can hardly wait!! LOL
Have a fun weekend!!
BlueJay,
I say “in effect” no such thing.
My point was that it is hard to call someone “poor and oppressed” when they have a computer and access to the internet with time to blog.
There is not much about having a computer and access to the internet in being “poor and oppressed.”
Nathaniel posted June 28, 2008 at 10:36 pm
“The same people who implement green policies *ARE* the same people who are corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…“
======================================
Nathaniel posted June 29, 2008 at 12:21 am
“I am not accusing anyone person, group, or green people of being those things.”
=======================================
OK — I can wait a short time to see the spinning rationalization of these two postings LOL Should be interesting!! LOL
Chas,
Don’t you think, that as a Christian Minister, you should simply display some level of decorum and strive for civility here regardless of what others do?
Nathaniel posted June 29, 2008 at 1:23 am
“This is why it is pointless to even try to have a discussion with you.”
———–
Run away again, Nathaniel.
Nathaniel cannot defend his opinions. He cannot defend his attacks on AGW. He cannot defend the agricultural ECONOMIST Dennis Avery. He cannot defend OISM, Steven Milloy, or ANY of his other AGW deniers.
But Nathaniel CAN make false ad hominems at “people who implement green policies“, and me.
And Nathaniel can run away. Nathaniel is VERY good at running away.
That’s all that Nathaniel can do, since he doesn’t have any science, facts, or logic to support his (false) opinions.
Chas,
As I have already said:
“My statement would more clearly be that:
As humans, we all fall prey to the same failings (what I would call sin, but for this discussion we will forgo that term), those of greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc.
Basically, no one is perfect.”
I have 3 times now admitted to the error in my articulation of the point to begin with.
How many more times would you like for me to admit that Chas?
It was not worded correctly.
Cosmos,
I simply see any attempt at a discussion as almost impossible with you.
You do not seek to understand anything offered. You seek only to distort that which is said and to twist it in an attempt to prove your point and make the poster look bad.
It is futile.
Call it running away if you must.
Exactly my point Nathan.
Only by having people poor and oppressed and with no computer or internet connection do you allow them to complain.
In other words, if they have a voice, the voice is illegitimate because they have it.
You MIGHT make a good feudal vassal there Nathan.
If ya get the step mom’s approval.
I wish you an unpleasant evening. But as a single guy in your early thirties, you are already having that.
Buh bye.
BlueJay,
I hope one day you can let go of all that hate in your heart. It only hurts you, not me.
You mean so far?
BlueJay,
How will the hate in your heart ever hurt me?
Nathaniel,
If you want to have a “discussion”, then just post WHY you believe that “the same people who implement green policies” are no different than the fossil-fuel groups who have CONNED Americans for the last 20 years.
‘`Prominent Skeptics Organizations’
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Or just run away…
And Nathaniel… I suggest that you do your self a favor, and just run away.
Predestined,
Your ex’s grandmother was lucky. Heckler’s 5-year old son was lucky.
A sad story is what happened to to a 13-year old girl kicked in the head at a horse show. She had three separate emergency brain surgeries, and paralysis to her right side.
http://www.whmentors.org/saf/kick.html
I’ll let you worry on that while you plan your defense at 300 yards there Nathan.
Cosmos,
I have never said nor do I believe that:
“the same people who implement green policies” are no different than the fossil-fuel groups who have CONNED Americans for the last 20 years.
Why do you presume that I believe something I have never said and then ask me to defend it?
And you wonder why it is pointless to have a discussion with you?
This is all you do.
BlueJay,
I am quite capable of hitting a person at 600 yards with open sights.
Give me a scope and 7.62 rifle and we are talking 1000 yards.
If I can ever afford a Barrett .50 caliber rilfe I could hit someone at much, much, much further distances.
I am not worried at all.
Sorry — this long of a section does not LOOK like a typo…. I’m not buying >>>>
“The same people who implement green policies *ARE* the same people who are corruptable, greedy, selfish, manipulative, power hungry, liars, etc…“
Want to try again??
Nathaniel posted June 29, 2008 at 2:21 am
“Cosmos,
I have never said nor do I believe that:
“the same people who implement green policies” are no different than the fossil-fuel groups who have CONNED Americans for the last 20 years.
Why do you presume that I believe something I have never said and then ask me to defend it?
And you wonder why it is pointless to have a discussion with you?
This is all you do.”
——-
Nathaniel…
What exactly does the word “ALL” mean?
Nathaniel posted June 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm
“My statement would more clearly be that:
As humans, we ALL fall prey to the same failings (what I would call sin, but for this discussion we will forgo that term), those of greed, corruption, lies, manipulation, selfishness, being bent on power… etc.”
———–
Thank you Nathaniel, for again proving that you do NOT have any science, facts, or logic to support your (false) opinions.
“I am quite capable of hitting a person at 600 yards with open sights.
Give me a scope and 7.62 rifle and we are talking 1000 yards.
If I can ever afford a Barrett .50 caliber rilfe I could hit someone at much, much, much further distances.
———————
Charles Whitman, and similar, would be very impressed.
It’s too bad Nathaniel can’t support his bogus opinions about climate science, like he can “shoot”.
Chas,
I didn’t say it was a typo.
I said I worded it poorly. I even admitted to you that it was an error.
This is 4 times now that I have said this.
What part of that do you not understand?
How many ways do you want me to tell you the same thing?
Cosmos,
Thank you again, for proving why having a discussion with you is futile.
Nathaniel,
What you have “proven” is that YOU cannot deny that “ALL” “humans” includes BOTH “the same people who implement green policies” AND “the fossil-fuel groups who have CONNED Americans for the last 20 years”.
And Nathaniel has also proven that his only WE Blog debate options are lies, false ad hominems, and running away.
Run fast, Nathaniel. You cannot defend your false opinions.
Wow, all y’all (heheh) are welcome to join me at Clelands, which is in WaKeeney thirty miles west of Hays on I-70. Cleland is an old school character, and he LOVES company at the lunch counter.
…and was anyone ever as young as Janis Ian on that show? She’s older than I, but holy cow, she looked like a baby on that show. I must have looked even younger, but I remember those wide lapels and collars from that era. And Billy Preston’s scarf, and outfit. WTF? What a talent he was. Another one lost too soon.
All the players looked scared and nervous, didnt they? Chevy Chase was so skinny, and he had hair. And yer right Pre. It took a while for the show to hit its stride. Thank goddes back then, NBC gave it a chance. Nowdays, if a show doesnt hit stride in two episodes, they cancel it.
Oh yeah, and I loved the “Bud” credits at the end. I wonder if that’s where the Larry “Bud” Mehlman thingy came from? heheheheh.
Hey Captain, I remember Tour of Duty. It had “Fade to Black” as the theme song, no? Good show. It was a little too close to real time though. It would go over better now. Hehehhe. But you wont see that on Nic at Night…
It will take me some time to find current info on what is being done to bring the wonders of the world to our poorest nations, but it is being done. Here’s an old article to start with; I’ll find more updates!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/maney/2005-02-08-maney_x.htm
Here is the first program to get computers into the hands of children around the world, especially those in the poorest of nations. There are other programs today. Remember that since the web content has grown much less needs to be “stored” in a computer, many fewer programs and software are required. Web access to what we used to need software for reduces what a computer needs to do.
http://laptop.org/en/index.shtml
Seems this man is concentrating on poor and disadvantaged children in America. Sad, isn’t it? We have children in our country who are as disadvantaged as those in third world nations.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91891812
As always, wiki is as good place to begin any search. On most subjects you are given so many clicks at wiki you can research the insandouts, the differences…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child
“I am quite capable of hitting a person at 600 yards with open sights.
Give me a scope and 7.62 rifle and we are talking 1000 yards.
If I can ever afford a Barrett .50 caliber rilfe I could hit someone at much, much, much further distances.
I am not worried at all.”
It is good to have skills?
I truly believe that one of these days I will see your face again Nathan.
On the news.
Internet for Everyone
InternetforEveryone.org is a national initiative of public interest, civic and industry groups that are working to see that the Internet continues to drive U.S. economic growth and prosperity.
We believe every American must be connected to a fast, affordable, and open Internet to serve as an active citizen in a 21st century democracy and to prosper in today’s economy. High-speed Internet is no longer a luxury; it’s a lifeline for all Americans. Our broad alliance is working together to see that our nation’s leaders adopt a national plan to bring open, high-speed Internet connections into every home, at a price all of us can afford.
Survey after survey shows American broadband quality and access falling perilously behind countries in Europe and Asia. Getting everyone connected to an open Internet should be a national priority.
http://internetforeveryone.org/
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