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As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use.
– William James
Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist
· Testimony to US Congress will also criticise lobbyists
· ‘Revolutionary’ policies needed to tackle crisis
* Ed Pilkington in New York
* The Guardian,
* Monday June 23, 2008
* Article history
James Hansen, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
Hansen will use the symbolically charged 20th anniversary of his groundbreaking speech (pdf) to the US Congress – in which he was among the first to sound the alarm over the reality of global warming – to argue that radical steps need to be taken immediately if the “perfect storm” of irreversible climate change is not to become inevitable.
Speaking before Congress again, he will accuse the chief executive officers of companies such as ExxonMobil and Peabody Energy of being fully aware of the disinformation about climate change they are spreading.
In an interview with the Guardian he said: “When you are in that kind of position, as the CEO of one the primary players who have been putting out misinformation even via organisations that affect what gets into school textbooks, then I think that’s a crime.”
He is also considering personally targeting members of Congress who have a poor track record on climate change in the coming November elections. He will campaign to have several of them unseated. Hansen’s speech to Congress on June 23 1988 is seen as a seminal moment in bringing the threat of global warming to the public’s attention. At a time when most scientists were still hesitant to speak out, he said the evidence of the greenhouse gas effect was 99% certain, adding “it is time to stop waffling”.
He will tell the House select committee on energy independence and global warming this afternoon that he is now 99% certain that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has already risen beyond the safe level.
The current concentration is 385 parts per million and is rising by 2ppm a year. Hansen, who heads Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, says 2009 will be a crucial year, with a new US president and talks on how to follow the Kyoto agreement.
He wants to see a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants, coupled with the creation of a huge grid of low-loss electric power lines buried under ground and spread across America, in order to give wind and solar power a chance of competing. “The new US president would have to take the initiative analogous to Kennedy’s decision to go to the moon.”
His sharpest words are reserved for the special interests he blames for public confusion about the nature of the global warming threat. “The problem is not political will, it’s the alligator shoes – the lobbyists. It’s the fact that money talks in Washington, and that democracy is not working the way it’s intended to work.”
A group seeking to increase pressure on international leaders is launching a campaign today called 350.org. It is taking out full-page adverts in papers such as the New York Times and the Swedish Falukuriren calling for the target level of CO2 to be lowered to 350ppm. The advert has been backed by 150 signatories, including Hansen.
Thermometers Are Doing the Talking
What a world!! Global warming alarmists bring us to the brink of world food shortage and economic collapse – using words and computer models, not higher temperatures. As a result, more wildlife species are threatened by palm oil plantations growing biodiesel than by climate change.
Heavy sea ice just trapped a big Russian ice-breaker for seven days in the Arctic’s Northwest Passage, which the alarmists told us last year would soon be open sailing. The sunspots and a Pacific Ocean cooling phase are forecasting the earth will cool further over the next two decades. In the past, both have accurate in their in their predictions.
The blue collar world sees no warming, but they surely see economic ruin staring them in the face. Finally, the workers of the world are crying, “Enough of this man-made warming hype without warming!”
* Fishing fleets have gone on strike across Europe against ultra-high diesel prices, while the Greens demand that fuel become even more scarce and expensive
* Truckers are staging fuel-protest slowdowns in major European cities.
* Protesting French farmers have blockaded fuel stations.
* More than 70 percent of Britons now say they will not pay any extra taxes to “save the planet.”
Meanwhile, the Vatican, widely flung governments, and dozens of universities have scheduled conferences on the global food shortage. Guess whose advice we took on shifting much of our cropland from food to biofuels? The advice of the same Greens who told us not to burn coal or oil. We shifted too much of our scarce cropland into corn ethanol and palm oil biodiesel. We forgot that the world’s food and feed demand was in the process of doubling due to
1) the last surge in human population growth;
2) rising Third World incomes and expectations; and
3) millions more beloved cats and dogs as households have fewer children and more affluence
Assuming society is not yet ready to starve the poor or euthanize their pets, we must feed them. That means at least twice as much global food and feed per year by 2040. Nor do we want to clear the forests or drain the wetlands to grow more crops. That means there is no “spare” cropland for corn ethanol
Unless the planet starts warming again, quickly and significantly, the Green momentum for a low-carbon society will come to a screeching stop. There are many indications that we are in a long, moderate warming cycle, which began 150 years ago with the end of the Little Ice Age, and may continue for several more hundred years. There is no indication that this modest warming will be bad for humans, or for the wildlife.
The thermometers show a net global temperature increase of just 0.2 degree C since 1940 -and even that tiny increase has been inflated by the urban heat island effect. The big temperature increases are all in those unverified computer models so beloved by the Green movement.
The mothers of the world’s kids and the workers who grow and catch its food now demand to see the thermometers climb more than .2 degrees before they renounce their food and jobs. Without energy, the workers can’t work, the farmers can’t farm, and the children can’t eat. Until and unless the Greens and the UN can offer some evidence beyond the guesses of computer models that consistently over-estimate the warming that is occurring, we’ll accept the unsung voice of the thermometers.
Mr. Bush, Lead or Leave
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Two years ago, President Bush declared that America was “addicted to oil,” and, by gosh, he was going to do something about it. Well, now he has. Now we have the new Bush energy plan: “Get more addicted to oil.”
Actually, it’s more sophisticated than that: Get Saudi Arabia, our chief oil pusher, to up our dosage for a little while and bring down the oil price just enough so the renewable energy alternatives can’t totally take off. Then try to strong arm Congress into lifting the ban on drilling offshore and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
It’s as if our addict-in-chief is saying to us: “C’mon guys, you know you want a little more of the good stuff. One more hit, baby. Just one more toke on the ole oil pipe. I promise, next year, we’ll all go straight. I’ll even put a wind turbine on my presidential library. But for now, give me one more pop from that drill, please, baby. Just one more transfusion of that sweet offshore crude.”
It is hard for me to find the words to express what a massive, fraudulent, pathetic excuse for an energy policy this is. But it gets better. The president actually had the gall to set a deadline for this drug deal:
“I know the Democratic leaders have opposed some of these policies in the past,” Mr. Bush said. “Now that their opposition has helped drive gas prices to record levels, I ask them to reconsider their positions. If Congressional leaders leave for the Fourth of July recess without taking action, they will need to explain why $4-a-gallon gasoline is not enough incentive for them to act.”
This from a president who for six years resisted any pressure on Detroit to seriously improve mileage standards on its gas guzzlers; this from a president who’s done nothing to encourage conservation; this from a president who has so neutered the Environmental Protection Agency that the head of the E.P.A. today seems to be in a witness-protection program. I bet there aren’t 12 readers of this newspaper who could tell you his name or identify him in a police lineup.
But, most of all, this deadline is from a president who hasn’t lifted a finger to broker passage of legislation that has been stuck in Congress for a year, which could actually impact America’s energy profile right now — unlike offshore oil that would take years to flow — and create good tech jobs to boot.
That bill is H.R. 6049 — “The Renewable Energy and Job Creation Act of 2008,” which extends for another eight years the investment tax credit for installing solar energy and extends for one year the production tax credit for producing wind power and for three years the credits for geothermal, wave energy and other renewables.
These critical tax credits for renewables are set to expire at the end of this fiscal year and, if they do, it will mean thousands of jobs lost and billions of dollars of investments not made. “Already clean energy projects in the U.S. are being put on hold,” said Rhone Resch, president of the Solar Energy Industries Association.
People forget, wind and solar power are here, they work, they can go on your roof tomorrow. What they need now is a big U.S. market where lots of manufacturers have an incentive to install solar panels and wind turbines — because the more they do, the more these technologies would move down the learning curve, become cheaper and be able to compete directly with coal, oil and nuclear, without subsidies.
That seems to be exactly what the Republican Party is trying to block, since the Senate Republicans — sorry to say, with the help of John McCain — have now managed to defeat the renewal of these tax credits six different times.
Of course, we’re going to need oil for years to come. That being the case, I’d prefer — for geopolitical reasons — that we get as much as possible from domestic wells. But our future is not in oil, and a real president wouldn’t be hectoring Congress about offshore drilling today. He’d be telling the country a much larger truth:
“Oil is poisoning our climate and our geopolitics, and here is how we’re going to break our addiction: We’re going to set a floor price of $4.50 a gallon for gasoline and $100 a barrel for oil. And that floor price is going to trigger massive investments in renewable energy — particularly wind, solar panels and solar thermal. And we’re also going to go on a crash program to dramatically increase energy efficiency, to drive conservation to a whole new level and to build more nuclear power. And I want every Democrat and every Republican to join me in this endeavor.”
That’s what a real president would do. He’d give us a big strategic plan to end our addiction to oil and build a bipartisan coalition to deliver it. He certainly wouldn’t be using his last days in office to threaten Congressional Democrats that if they don’t approve offshore drilling by the Fourth of July recess, they will be blamed for $4-a-gallon gas. That is so lame. That is an energy policy so unworthy of our Independence Day.
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to repeat:
As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use.
- William James
HEALTH CARE ROUND-TABLE DISCUSSION TO BE HELD IN WICHITA
WICHITA, KS: Affordable health care tops the list as America’s biggest domestic worry these days. To address this concern, Democracy for America (Wichita) has assembled a panel of three speakers to offer concrete suggestions for reducing medical costs while at the same time improving health care.
• Walt Chappell, Ph.D. and candidate for State School Board, “How to Reduce the Cost of Health Care”
• Ron Hunninghake, M.D. from The Bright Spot for Health, “Nutritional Supplements and Health Maintenance”
• Jane Byrnes, R.D., Distinguished Kansas Dietician and Personal Trainer, “Wellness, Much Cheaper than Sickness”
This program is free and open to the public at The Wichita Central Library, 223 South Main from 7 to 8:30 pm on Tuesday, June 24 and Rockwell Library, 5939 East 9th from 7 to 8:30 pm on Thursday, June 26.
If Global Warming was a company decison, how would you vote?
Let’s say this issue was on a company board of directors decision to choose to make changes to policy related to employee comfort. Some employees complain that the work environment is too hot and they have been suffering a long term effect. The board decides to hire four consultants with the mandate: “tell us if we should expend the money to replace all of our a/c units company wide in all of our world locations. The cost will be huge, so we need to know before we make a policy change to do this.”
One of the consultants to members of the board who strongly advocates the policy change also has been lobbying company staff worldwide and other board members with the data he has collected and collated that shows that the trend is shifting in the direction that he advocates. As consultant, he is also the creator of one of the datasets used to evaluate the policy change.
Now when the time comes to make the decision, the board brings in all the data sets from consultants. They look at each one and see that the majority of them have no change in the last 11 years that supports the policy change to put in new a/c units. Yet the one consultant that has been pushing this policy change gives an impassioned speech that his data set tells a story that the others do not.
Some of the board members who are skeptical of this person and his data that supports the policy change do some research of their own. They discover that the dataset created by the consultant who advocates the policy change has been adjusted at many data points, almost without exception in favor of the policy change. Some board members also learn of some math errors in the data, point out the math errors, and also some of the questionable ways individual data points have been adjusted.
The consultant shrugs and retorts “you’re just a bunch of court jesters”.Meanwhile, it has been discovered that one of the business friends of the consultant who has been lobbying board members and staff has a company that trades in air conditioner systems. That person has been traveling to all of the worldwide offices of the company and lobbying the employees to tell them that their work environment is indeed getting hotter, and that the data from his friend the consultant proves it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
He tells them that his friend the consultant uses special techniques to find the “real” trend in the data and that the other datasets aren’t as valuable as this one. He urges the employees to form pacts and unions to lobby the corporate board to make a change. The employees do just that.
The board looks at the data, they listen to the impassioned pleas of the employees, and they also listen to the one consultant who calls them “court jesters”, and his friend the a/c salesman, who says “the time is now, you must act now’. But a few employees that are concerned that the expense the company may be about to undertake is unwarranted, they think the work environment is just fine, and the “solution” may hurt the company more than help it.
One of the employees finds that in the largest company facility, 78% of the temperature sensors used to collect environmental data in that facility have been installed incorrectly, and shows that they are too close to equipment that produces waste heat. They also discover that two of the consultants use IR sensors to get the data, but that the other two consultants are using the direct measure environmental sensors, 78% percent of which in the largest company facility are installed incorrectly.
These few employees that discover this also lobby the board by pointing out some of these issues with the datasets. So it is time for the board to vote. The one consultant who has lobbied the board most heavily says “don’t worry about that 78% of the problematic environmental sensors in the biggest facility, I can adjust for that.” But then one of the other skeptical board members says: “The employee that found this says “How can you adjust for these if you’ve never seen or visited them? How can you know they are all equally biased or not?”. And, isn’t it true that in some of the data you presented, there were no sensors present, and some of the data was interpolated by you, particularly at the far ends of the building?”
The consultant says: “I stand by my data and methods, and if you don’t do something soon, your facility may reach a tipping point where you can no longer keep it cool enough to work in, your company productivity will tank.” One of the board members says, “Ok lets stop and look at this differently”. “What if we simply ignore the dataset from the consultant who calls us “court jesters” and has the buddy who’s the air conditioner salesman?. Look, now there’s no trend in the last 11 years”.
So 3 of 4 datasets, each presented by independent consultants are in front of them and show no change in the past 11 years. The one that does show a trend has been heavily lobbied and has been shown to have errors in measurement by environmental sensors and questionable data adjustment methods applied. Plus the consultant who prepared it has insulted those members who dared to question his data and methods, and he is the only one of the four consultants who has links to the air conditioner salesman, as it was discovered that the air conditioner salesman invited the consultant to speak at one of his employee rallies.
How do you think the board of directors will vote on this policy change?
Poll: most Britons doubt cause of climate change
The majority of the British public is still not convinced that climate change is caused by humans – and many others believe scientists are exaggerating the problem, according to an exclusive poll for The Observer. The results have shocked campaigners who hoped that doubts would have been silenced by a report last year by more than 2,500 scientists for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which found a 90 per cent chance that humans were the main cause of climate change and warned that drastic action was needed to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
The findings come just before the release of the government’s long-awaited renewable energy strategy, which aims to cut the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent over the next 12 years.The poll, by Ipsos MORI, found widespread contradictions, with some people saying politicians were not doing enough to tackle the problem, even though they were cynical about government attempts to impose regulations or raise taxes.
In a sign of the enormous task ahead for those pushing for drastic cuts to carbon emissions, many people said they did not want to restrict their lifestyles and only a small minority believe they need to make ’significant and radical’ changes such as driving and flying less.
‘It’s disappointing and the government will be really worried,’ said Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the government’s Sustainable Development Commission. ‘They [politicians] need the context in which they’re developing new policies to be a lot stronger and more positive. Otherwise the potential for backlash and unpopularity is considerable.’
There is growing concern that an economic depression and rising fuel and food prices are denting public interest in environmental issues. Some environmentalists blame the public’s doubts on last year’s Channel 4 documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, and on recent books, including one by Lord Lawson, the former Chancellor, that question the consensus on climate change.
However Professor Bjorn Lomborg, author of The Skeptical Environmentalist, said politicians and campaigners were to blame for over-simplifying the problem by only publicising evidence to support the case. ‘Things that we do know – like humans do cause climate change – are being put in doubt,’ said Lomborg. ‘If you’re saying, “We’re not going to tell you the whole truth, but we’re going to ask you to pay up a lot of money,” people are going to be unsure.’
In response to the poll’s findings, the Department for the Environment issued a statement: ‘The IPCC… concluded the scientific evidence for climate change is clear and it is down to human activities. It is already affecting people’s lives – and the impact will be much greater if we don’t act now.’
Ipsos MORI polled 1,039 adults and found that six out of 10 agreed that ‘many scientific experts still question if humans are contributing to climate change’, and that four out of 10 ’sometimes think climate change might not be as bad as people say’. In both cases, another 20 per cent were not convinced either way. Despite this, three quarters still professed to be concerned about climate change. Those most worried were more likely to have a degree, be in social classes A or B, have a higher income, said Phil Downing, Ipsos MORI’s head of environmental research.’People are broadly concerned, but not entirely convinced,’ said Downing. ‘Despite many attempts to broaden the environment movement, it doesn’t seem to have become fully embedded as a mainstream concern,’ he said.
More than half of those polled did not have confidence in international or British political leaders to tackle climate change, but only just over a quarter think it’s too late to stop it. Two thirds want the government to do more but nearly as many said they were cynical about government policies such as green taxes, which they see as ’stealth’ taxes.
Morning Hank!
How’s the duck herding business? :)
“James Hansen, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange
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Didn’t Dr. Hansen speak in Wichita recently? I know that he is a respected scientist, but he sure sounds like a desperate egomaniac.
How could anyone ever take someone seriously who would actually suggest criminally prosecuting people simply because they disagree or find fault with his research and conclusions?
Jail the global warming deniers?
Just a reminder.
When your political leaders all sell out the Constitution. . . it’s time for some strange bedfellows!
http://www.thestrangebedfellows.com/
Visit the site! Give ’til it hurts! Stop retroactive immunity! Force a Bush veto!
P.S. More info:
The American Civil Liberties Union is teaming with supporters of former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and scores of liberal bloggers to pressure Congress on the surveillance law; the effort is calling itself Strange Bedfellows.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Strange_bedfellows_team_up_to_lobby_0620.html
I’d like to see Bob Barr (bless his dark conservative heart) on board for this too, seeing how he opposed the Patriot Act.
The bill in question does away with the need for individualized warrants, removes any meaningful judicial oversight (reducing it to a rubber stamp, “certifying” that the Executive says it’s ok), and gives immunity to lawbreaking companies if they merely produce paperwork from the government.
No one who deserves to call themselves “American” can support this bill.
Yep outlander, it’s part of the Progressive liberal credo… which is…
“If I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you.”
Rage’s message brought to you by the American Trial Lawyers Association. At the ATLA; “When you make money, we make money”.
<iRage’s message brought to you by the American Trial Lawyers Association. At the ATLA; “When you make money, we make money”.
For some reason, you keep repeating that line, despite its self-evident, utterly moronic irrelevance to the issue.
Rent a brain, you twit.
An attorney and your mother-in-law are trapped in a burning building. You only have time to save one of them.
Do you:
(1) have lunch?,
or
(2) go to a movie?
Come on Rage. You are not that dense. Retroactive immunity. It’s bad for trial lawyers when you can’t sue the b*stards (telecoms)for cooperating with the government in trying to protect the country after 911.
Get it now?
Regular
Posted June 23, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink
“Morning Hank!
How’s the duck herding business?”
Good morning Regular!
Ducks are doing good. Almost full grown now.
Yesterday I finished lining my round pen with 24 inch wide chicken wire so that I can keep them contained while I train with them. I tried to use some of that plastic snow fence I had but for a variety of reasons it just wasn’t working.
Should be interesting. Boo Bear seems to get the picture. He’s doing very well on sheep and goats and I should be able to transfer his training to ducks handily. I’ve had him on them once so far and I think I’m going to have a good time with him.
Nikki (14 weeks old) thinks they are big fun. I bought the ducks for her. If you put a puppy on ducks every now and then when they are young it seems to ‘wire’ their little brains for herding later. No rules for the puppy other than ‘no biting’!
Samson will be very interesting. He doesn’t see ducks. Literally. I’ve tried him on ducks in the past with very little sucess. What’s interesting is that ducks don’t seem to be too interested in him either! Kind of an innate agreement between the two!
The only time I tried to trial Samson on ducks was a disaster. I sent him on his outrun and instead of getting ducks he jumped the fence and went for a flock of sheep about a 100 yards away.
Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music. –George Carlin 1937-2008
Hank- Have you recovered from your tumble?
Heh Hank,
That would make such a cute video. Dogs herding ducks – I can visualize it!
You need to make a lightweight prop, a little arched bridge, in which the dog can guide the ducks over the bridge, through a pipe and around the arena. :)
“You need to make a lightweight prop, a little arched bridge, in which the dog can guide the ducks over the bridge, through a pipe and around the arena.”
Actually, when they trial on ducks they do it just like sheep or cattle, except smaller course. AKC has their ‘A’ and ‘B’ course for ducks. ASCA same thing. AHBA has duck trials, just not their ‘Ranch Dog’ courses.
It’s very challenging for most dogs (and handlers) ducks don’t fetch to the handler. They are just as scared of the handler as they are of the dog!
Hey gster,
Mostly. My left arm is 100%. My right shoulder is still not too happy. I have my range of motion back, working on my strength. Doctor says it’s going to hurt until after Christmas, get use to it!
Hello Regular. I have been extraordinarily busy, but I have fashioned an email to Dr. Wood. Care to send me your email address? I will copy the email to you if you like.
Hank – Great- I recommend Budweiser presses, medicinally of course.
Good morning outlander!
It’s a shame poor ol’ Dr. Hansen is being muzzled and persecuted by NASA so much. Really hard for him to get his message out!
http://www.youtube.com/bobbarr2008
“I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond!
I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
Behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, ridin the wave, dodgin the bullet and pushin the envelope. I’m on-point, on-task, on-message and off drugs. I’ve got no need for coke and speed. I’ve got no urge to binge and purge. I’m in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar. A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary. A street-wise smart bomb. A top-gun bottom feeder. I wear power ties, I tell power lies, I take power naps and run victory laps. I’m a totally ongoing big-foot, slam-dunk, rainmaker with a pro-active outreach. A raging workaholic. A working rageaholic. Out of rehab and in denial!
I’ve got a personal trainer, a personal shopper, a personal assistant and a personal agenda. You can’t shut me up. You can’t dumb me down because I’m tireless and I’m wireless, I’m an alpha male on beta-blockers.
I’m a non-believer and an over-achiever, laid-back but fashion-forward. Up-front, down-home, low-rent, high-maintenance. Super-sized, long-lasting, high-definition, fast-acting, oven-ready and built-to-last! I’m a hands-on, foot-loose, knee-jerk head case pretty maturely post-traumatic and I’ve got a love-child that sends me hate mail.
But, I’m feeling, I’m caring, I’m healing, I’m sharing– a supportive, bonding, nurturing primary care-giver. My output is down, but my income is up. I took a short position on the long bond and my revenue stream has its own cash-flow. I read junk mail, I eat junk food, I buy junk bonds and I watch trash sports! I’m gender specific, capital intensive, user-friendly and lactose intolerant.
I like rough sex. I like tough love. I use the “F” word in my emails and the software on my hard-drive is hardcore–no soft porn.
I bought a microwave at a mini-mall; I bought a mini-van at a mega-store. I eat fast-food in the slow lane. I’m toll-free, bite-sized, ready-to-wear and I come in all sizes. A fully-equipped, factory-authorized, hospital-tested, clinically-proven, scientifically- formulated medical miracle. I’ve been pre-wash, pre-cooked, pre-heated, pre-screened, pre-approved, pre-packaged, post-dated, freeze-dried, double-wrapped, vacuum-packed and, I have an unlimited broadband capacity.
I’m a rude dude, but I’m the real deal. Lean and mean! Cocked, locked and ready-to-rock. Rough, tough and hard to bluff. I take it slow, I go with the flow, I ride with the tide. I’ve got glide in my stride. Drivin and movin, sailin and spinin, jiving and groovin, wailin and winnin. I don’t snooze, so I don’t lose. I keep the pedal to the metal and the rubber on the road. I party hearty and lunch time is crunch time. I’m hangin in, there ain’t no doubt and I’m hangin tough, over and out!”
~George Carlin, a comedic genius and poet extraodinaire
Free online book. Scroll down for the chapters.
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html
Sol while3 I commend Barr for his attempt I see another Perot moment in the future. Can he pull enough votes from McCain to assure Obama the presidency?
Our choices stink but Barr doesn’t have a chance and can only be seen as a spoiler.
Hank keep up the good work. You post good articles on the absurdity of the GW movement. Gore keeps getting richer and the world suffers. Fortunately the majority of voters are waking up as fuel and food prices skyrocket. We just need to keep letting our congressmen, senators and the president know that we want to drill here, drill now and pay less.
“~George Carlin, a comedic genius and poet extraodinaire”
Amen. We will miss him, and his ability to make us laugh at ourselves even as he pointed out our own hypocricies and foolishness.
That said . . .
This belonged on an earlier thread, but one which has been thoroughly poisoned by the usual stupidity . . . both sides equally guilty; as it takes two to play.
From a poster on another blog re: Obama’s rejection of public funding -
Obama is not an idealogue when the ideals involved violate his own self interest. Or perhaps, like the Clintons, he has the vision to see that the ascension of his interests is the highest ideal of the Republic…In this context, it is fitting and sweet to note McCain’s history. Given the choice between torture and malnutrition or the betrayal of an oath, he chose torture and malnutrition. Obama was given the choice between financial advantage or honoring a pledge. He chose his own advantage…Obama is well formed, well spoken and energetic–more so than McCain. Obama looks brave and idealistic, but in his life, and certainly in this campaign, he has done nothing admirable.
Exactly.
“drill here, drill now and pay less”
The oil cartels’ mantra that means nothing.
Millions of acres of offshore leases sitting idle because the oil companies CHOOSE not to drill.
KansasNative
What about Gull Island? Shut down and classified by the government.
Washington, DC — A House resolution effectively requiring a naval blockade on Iran seems fast tracked for passage, gaining co-sponsors at a remarkable speed, but experts say the measures called for in the resolutions amount to an act of war.
H.CON.RES 362 calls on the president to stop all shipments of refined petroleum products from reaching Iran. It also “demands” that the President impose “stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains and cargo entering or departing Iran.”
Analysts say that this would require a US naval blockade in the Strait of Hormuz.
Since its introduction three weeks ago, the resolution has attracted 134 cosponsors. Forty-three members added their names to the bill in the past two days.
http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1141&Itemid=2
House Members Expand Federal Police Powers in Sweeping New Bill
According to law enforcement experts, no where within the police function is there more potential for abuse than search and seizure. This latest bill — if made into law — would expand the government’s surveillance abilities and grant retroactive immunity to telecoms for their role in post-9/11 mass domestic wiretapping. The Act, known more formally as H.R. 6304 and born after months of negotiations, represents a “bipartisan compromise.”…….
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news51.htm
Call your Senators NOW tell them to oppose this!!
Capital Hill Switchboard: 1-877-851-6437
“GMC70″ revises history with –
“…it is fitting and sweet to note McCain’s history. Given the choice between torture and malnutrition or the betrayal of an oath, he chose torture and malnutrition.”
Uhm.
Perhaps you should read McCain’s book, “Faith of My Fathers.”
While most of the book is a blow-by-blow of the torture he sustained, that segment of the book ends when he broke and confessed all sorts of “war crimes” he knew he wasn’t guilty of. He’s cited those moments recently (at least as recently as when he opposed Shrub’s torture policies.)
And the most profound segment of “Faith of My Fathers” was when McC*unt admitted to his father (John Sidney “Slew” McCain, Junior; a four-star Admiral of the Navy) that he broke under pressure. It’s a poignant moment when John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) wrote about the sincere disappointment in him that came from his father who said only, “You did the best you could,” then left the room.
Do we really need another Republic Party president with “daddy issues?”
Kansas naive are you familiar with geological studies which show the feasiability of drilling and finding oil. Millions of acres of land with no recoverable oil underneath means nothing. The oil rich reserves are being blocked by the spotted owl and snail darter protectors.
Argue logic to make a point if you have one. We are sitting here and letting other countries claim the off shore oil and the enviros think they are stopping us from drilling. Well they are stopping us but watch the Russians and the Cubans take advantage of our stupidity.
Monkey if you don’t see the daddy issues Obama is bringing to this race you are blind. He has gone so far as adopting a black grandma who is not related to him but who is his dads stepmother. He has thrown his white grandmother, the one who raised him, under the bus so he can embrace his black side. He picked a bigot as his pastor for 20 years so he could get closer to his black side. He didn’t even call himself Barak until his twenties. Barry was more mainstream. He is a manipulator and is very good at it.
Issues?? You betcha you Obama has them. McCain was in a prison camp for years and showed a very human side when he gave up info that wasn’t even valid.
Is that what you meant when you said we didn’t need a president with daddy issues?
MonkeyHawk spews: Do we really need another Republic Party president with “daddy issues?”
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You mean “daddy issues” like Obama’s daddy? Obama senior was keeping his ex-spouse, his second wife pregnant while married to his third wife.
Yeah, sterling family values in the Obama background.
So the “swiftboating” starts…I’m glad I’m not judged by those I’m related to or the priests I listened to the entire time I attended Mass growing up and into my adulthood.
“You mean “daddy issues” like Obama’s daddy? Obama senior was keeping his ex-spouse, his second wife pregnant while married to his third wife.
Yeah, sterling family values in the Obama background.”
I guess you can say the same for McCain..only HE was the one who perpetrated, not his family.
George Carlin the great is dead.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/06/23/carlin.obit/index.html
He was very, very funny. He may not have been quite as brilliant (i.e., funny and concurrently poignant) as Richard Pryor was in his prime. But Carlin made me laugh – a lot.
And I love a man who can make me laugh.
I once saw a TV clip of Carlin imitating a televangelist – and it was one of the funniest things I ever saw. Ironically, it was my only surviving sibling who introduced me to Carlin via one of his 1970s LPs.
Yes, yes – my brother – the former flower child, flowing tresses to match his acid intake, with an intellect undiminished by prodigious drug intake. I don’t know what my newly conservative, only surviving sibling would say about Carlin now.
The thought of the former guitar-strumming Siddhartha glomming onto the hermaphrodite from Hades (Coultergeist) is too much for me to bear.
First my sister dies – and I find out six months later (after 20 years of estrangement). Then I discover that my ex-hippie/stoner brother is now a conserv. The last time we spoke (1989), HE was the newly disillusioned ex-Catholic – and I was holding on for dear life. I don’t know what he’d think of his little sister now.
Whatever he thinks – I bet the late, great George Carlin could make an incendiary skit out of this s–t………
Monkeyhawk, from the character that you display on this blog, I think it safe to say that were you in the military and captured, you would cry like a little girl at the first threat of discomfort.
He did choose torture rather than betray his friends and leave them behind, you pompous blowhard. He broke after 5 years, when you wouldn’t last 15 minutes.
MonkeyHawk would be one of those weenies to break down, cry and be admitted to the psyche ward just from basic training.
Mary just curious but when Monkey railled on McCain it was ok but when Regular and I responded with info about Obama it was called swifrtboating by you. Where is the line? What is the difference? Do you really expect that the conservatives will roll over and play dead while Obama waltzes to the White House?
Filmfan I would say your little brother finally grew up. From your description of your family and a 20 estrangement from your sister I would say you haven’t. Still time to take care of that.
George Carlin was one of my favorites and I am a conservative. I realized he was first and foremost a comedian and appreciated his talent.
Ok
You don’t HONOR a guy because he has been tortured and endured it to some degree. It’s not like he had a choice in the matter.
You feel sorry for him. You do the best that you can to see to his comfort and care. You realize that though he may not be completely broken, he is likely badly bent inside.
You sure as hell don’t make the guy President.
“okobserver” comes up with –
“Millions of acres of land with no recoverable oil underneath means nothing.”
So why did the oil industry contract for all those millions of acres?
Among the “millions of acres with no recoverable oil” are all the magic Rocky Mountain “oil shale” reserves that crop up from CONs when the price of desperately sucking petroleum from the ground gets high enough to make it profitable.
And guess who owns those rights?
The same people who are banking record profits because you’re apologizing for $4/gallon gasoline.
“…it is fitting and sweet to note McCain’s history. Given the choice between torture and malnutrition or the betrayal of an oath, he chose torture and malnutrition.”
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Above statement is totally untrue!
You use something made up that happened to a VICTIM of war decades ago as a quality that might make a person a good president?
The only people who might buy that bill of goods you’re trying to sell have no ability to think or reason.
That wasn’t even a good attempt! Guess you gotta go with what little is available.
As soon as McCain or any of his supporters have something positive about his qualifications or his policies we’ll be here ready to listen. So far, none have been brought to the table.
George Carlin…a real boot in the southern cheeks of establishment, religion and all the high self righteous mighty.
He will be missed.
If there WAS a God, right now he’d be dodging calls and office visits from Carlin.
“daddy issues?”
Let’s see now … Obama suffered from them as a child but rose above them to succeed. McCain CREATES them for his children so they can have a similar opportunity?
I wonder what Wife #1 has to say about that.
I believe that John McCain is a very good man and has a very strong character. I don’t think he is too old nor broken.
I used to agree with many of his views back in 2000 and even up until 2006. He seems to have changed. I don’t know why. His views no longer reflect mine. That’s the only reason he won’t get my vote.
I still have yet to hear from any Republican who nominated Dubya as to why they didn’t nominate McCain instead in 2000.
“Regular” contrives –
“MonkeyHawk would be one of those weenies to break down, cry and be admitted to the psyche [sic] ward just from basic training.”
Y’think?
I dunno. You might be right. I’d maybe opt against five years of torture and make up secrets — as McPrisoner eventually did — rather than go through the trouble.
So who is the realist and who is the ideologue?
So where is John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) come out with the moral superiority. He suffered more than I might have before he broke?
Personally speaking, I’m not seeing the upside for his approach to the situation.
I’d expect the next President of the United States of America might consider what’s rational as a tad more important than what’s traditionally considered “patriotic.”
I expect the next President of the United States of America to think we’re a tad better than those who would torture false “confessions” from their victims.
I still have yet to hear from any Republican who nominated Dubya as to why they didn’t nominate McCain instead in 2000.
It had to do with his illigitimate black child in South Carolina.
VET —
Dubya’s daddy was a “defrocked politician” because he lost the election to Clinton in 1992!! LOL Didnt you know that??
Dubya had to have the chance to finish what daddy started, but didnt finish… :roll:
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bth
Posted June 23, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
I still have yet to hear from any Republican who nominated Dubya as to why they didn’t nominate McCain instead in 2000.
It had to do with his illigitimate black child in South Carolina.
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Credible source please.
Is this also the reason why you left Georgia Ben?
No, even my enemies were not that low:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/
The anatomy of a smear campaign
Will McCain’s illegitimate black love child harm his chances of winning?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080617112826AALiWIl
“Rove invented a uniquely injurious fiction for his operatives to circulate via a phony poll. Voters were asked, “Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain…if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?”"
Might be jumpin the gun on this question, but just wondering if GMC70 and any other resident attorney’s have an opinion on the United States v. Hayes case to be reviewed by the US Supreme Court.
Assuming the SCOTUS affirms the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, in Heller vs DC, will the SCOTUS uses the Hayes case to further define restrictions on the 2nd Amendment right?
The Hayes cases involves a man who lost his gun rights because he committed a Misdemeanor. The Lautenberg Amendment signed by Bill Clinton, for the first time, banned guns for someone committing a Misdemeanor.
All Felony convictions will result in losing gun rights, but Lautenberg for the first time attacks those who commit a minor crime.
I think Heller will define the 2nd Amendment as an Individual Right, and that SCOTUS will use Hayes to further define the limits of this individual right.
Hopefully, the SCOTUS will rule against the gun banners who would ban guns for no reason or any particular reason that comes along.
Regular: Did you support McCain or Bush? Care to tell me why? Oh, also did you get my message above about Dr. Wood? I went ahead and sent him the email. I didn’t hear back. I suppose one can’t share email addresses in this forum.
Say bth, are Obama’s children black or white? Are they legitamite?
Are they HIS?
Say bth, are Obama’s children black or white? Are they legitamite?
Are they HIS?
According to an interview I listened to on NPR a few years ago, Carlin credited his mother for his love of words. It’s a great interview and gives an insight into the man who entertained us and made us think.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4136881
And…………they’re OFF!! :roll:
Max, same question. Did you support Bush or McCain in 2000?
Care to talk about it?
McCain losing to Dubya is why I voted for Henry Browne in 2000 and Badnarack in 2004. That along with the fact that I knew Kansas would never elect a democrat for president, so I didn’t have to worry about a liberal being supported in Kansas.
Now I can choke down a liberal easier than I can a neocon. Many more freedoms from a liberal than from a neocon.
Pre: Unfortunate about Carlin. He got me to thinking more often than most. Plus he was a riot.
Perhaps Lautenberg should be amended so that it is applied only as a case-specific ruling… And perhaps it should carry with it a time line, say, to end when the offender finishes serving jail time, and/or probation… I cant see much reason for banning guns from someone for a misdemeanor, unless the misdemeanor is some sort of attack on a person… like assault, or battery…
Max – from what I know I would say they are ‘mixed’ and are his. But I’m sure Karl Rove will find a way to ‘push poll’ the question.
Blessings on the Memory of George Carlin… He gave millions of people millions of laughs, and to some, he inspired new ways to think about, and live life!!
RIP George….
So mote it be!!
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LLTVET
Posted June 23, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
Regular: Did you support McCain or Bush? Care to tell me why? Oh, also did you get my message above about Dr. Wood? I went ahead and sent him the email. I didn’t hear back. I suppose one can’t share email addresses in this forum.
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I voted for Bush, both times.
First time, because he was the Governor of Texas and had the executive level experience necessary to do the job. One specific reason is that he didn’t pander, that is, he did what he said he was going to do, regardless whether or not it was popular.
The second time, the choice was Kerry or Bush. No explanation needed for that one, Kerry was well, just Kerry.
McCain back then was like Lieberman, but a bit more to the left. After all, McCain was on the short list for Kerry’s V.P., although he was never asked that I’m aware.
I agree with you Ben — But the even bigger question is: Why does it matter??
Chas – how about if the muisdemeanor is alcohol/drug related?
Chas – and I agree with you. My point above is that it was that sort of push poll that sank McCain in 2000. That was in answer to VET’s question.
If I remember Ben, he stepped on a few environmentalist’s toes. They said we are going to destroy the planet. I liked his view. This world will shake us off like a dog shakes off fleas long before we even get close to destroying it. I’m paraphrasing.
Regular, my understanding from a friend of mine who was a low level Kerry campaign worker(in Iowa), is that McCain was on Kerry’s short list for VP, in McCain’s own mind!!
Observation: After the ’summit’ with Saudi Arabia over the weekend – what is the impact on oil prices? UP! Why? Because it has again been made clear that we do not intend to do anything concrete to reduce demand.
last post about Carlin
Yea, Ben, I think that substance abuse would be OK as well…
“Say bth, are Obama’s children black or white? Are they legitamite?”
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Obama’s children are multiracial.
They are legitimate children — minors, young human beings, under the age of majority.
comm problems today for some reason, takes me a long time to log into the blog, so giving it a rest until the issue is resolved.
outlander posted,
“How could anyone ever take someone seriously who would actually suggest criminally prosecuting people simply because they disagree or find fault with his research and conclusions?”
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It’s not just “his” research and conclusions.
It’s the research and conclusions of all credible climate scientists.
And how about an entire vilage suing?
‘Big Oil Gets Sued for Climate Change’
http://www.desmogblog.com/big-oil-gets-sued-for-climate-change
“16 Jun 08
The Tiny arctic village of Kivalina , Alaska could be the beginning of the end for Big Oil. Two veteran tobacco litigators have joined forces in a novel court action to sue oil companies for climate-related damage to the remote Inuit village – and for lying to the public about climate change.”
‘Climate-change litigation is heating up. Will the legal strategy that brought down Big Tobacco work against Big Oil?’
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200806/conspiracy
Hank:
My roomie just got a 2-year-old blue tick hound.
So far, she’s managed to chew a hole in the floor (literally), pee on the floor and chew up anything plastic within reach, not to mention howl unendingly.
Suggestions on how I might serruptitiously train her? My last dog (God rest her soul) was the best-behaved on the planet, so I guess I’m a little spoiled.
‘Climate-change litigation is heating up. Will the legal strategy that brought down Big Tobacco work against Big Oil?’
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Chuckle… Brought those tobacco companies down have they Cosmos? Well, the lawyers got rich anyway.
I dunno coz, it sounds like global warming Nazis. The good.. ahem, Dr. Hansen, wants criminal prosecution of global warming skeptics.
Would you like to see that cosmos?
Get it now?
Uhm, yeah, sure. Why not retroactively legalize murder? Surely the only reason to oppose that would be the fat sums trial lawyers would get from suing on the behalf on grieving relatives. Why give in to their self-serving agenda: legalize murder now!
Twit.
And I see, unsurprisingly, that Sol and I are on the same page.
You should go to that talk that Dr. Hansen is giving, Regular.
Then you could question him mercilessly about what college coursework he took that relates to Global Warming.
Hint–it’s more than you by a factor of ten.
outlander does not seem to understand the difference between “misinformation” and “skepticism”.
Yes, I would like to see criminal prosecution of spreading misinformation re AGW.
And outlander again helps prove Godwin’s law.
MrC.–
Hunting hounds need A LOT of attention and activity, especially until they’re about four or so.
Spend about two hours a day playing tag, tug of war, fetch and going on long fast walks.
Don’t want to? Uh . . . your roommate should get a different dog.
Let’s arrest everybody who tells a lie.
The 1st Amendment doesn’t say we can all lie.
Throw the bums in jail, all of em, for telling lies.
And let’s put Global Warming on trial too.
Did Hank lie about Global Warming not being caused by Man?
Prove it.
The 1st Amendment doesn’t entitle someone to their own opinion for Christ’s sake.
If someone says the Earth is flat – Stone them to death!
LOL!!
Dear MrControversy,
What you have is an ‘outside’ dog! He needs supervision anytime he is in the house. Dogs are generally easy to train if you have the self-discipline to be consistant.
Chewing. Have something that is his that he is allowed to chew anytime he wants to. Any time he starts to chew something forbidden the sky needs to fall in on him. Then, replace the forbidden item immediately with the chew toy (or bone) of choice.
Peeing. Take him out regularly to pee. When he pees outside act like he just discovered the cure for cancer! Only correct him for ‘accidents’ in the house if you catch him in the act. Any punishment not directly connected to the undesired behavior is worse than non-effective, it just confuses the dog and makes him not trust you. When you catch him in the act, yell and grab him and take him outside immediately.
Female dogs don’t like to have the pee on them. If you can catch her in the act and scoop her up with your hand on her ’stuff’ causing her to soil herself she’ll get the idea in a hurry! I’ve use that method several times and it’s always been the last time I’ve had to correct the dog.
Good luck! Two years of bad habits aren’t easy to fix. Be very consistant. Award correct behavior and don’t try to correct incidents you don’t see as they are happening.
If someone says the shortest path between two points is a Curved line – Hang them!
‘ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation Campaign on Global Warming Science
UCS report finds that the oil company spent nearly $16 million to fund skeptic groups, create confusion’
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/exxonmobil-smoke-mirrors-hot.html
‘Responding to Global Warming Skeptics — Prominent Skeptics Organizations’
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Let’s have McCarthy-like Trials !!!
We need an Anti-Global Warming Witch Hunt !!!
“Hank, aka HLP, have you now or have you ever not beleived in man-made global warming?”
“Hank, aka HLP, have you now or have you ever expressed your opinion of disbelief of man-made global warming?”
“Hank, aka HLP, we have you On Record on the WE Blog, professing disbelief in man-made Global Warming. Hank, what have you to say for yourself?”
“Hank, aka HLP, have you actually been spreading LIES about Global Warming not being caused by man?”
Hey Cosmos. What is “misinformation”. Stuff you and the good, ahem, Dr. Hansen don’t agree with?
Thinking like yours is dangerous to a free speech society.
Barrack Obama, have you told any lies during your political campaign?
Did you or did you not promise to accept public funds for your campaign?
Huh? What? What say you?
Politicians are NOT exempt from the new Anti-Lying Law. (ALL)
“Yes, I would like to see criminal prosecution of spreading misinformation re AGW.”- Cosmos
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Misinformation being, of course, what Cosmos and the Dr. Hansens disagree with.
Thinking like yours, Cosmos, is dangerous to a free speech society.
“Yes, I would like to see criminal prosecution of spreading misinformation re AGW.”
So, cosmos,
If AGW proves to be nothing more than BS, are you willing to go to jail for being one of Algore’s little fellow travelers?
LOL!!
Be careful what you ask for!
MaxGrobnik
Posted June 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
If someone says the Earth is flat – Stone them to death!
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There ya go… Like that would solve anything?? LOL Max on a tirade!!
MaxGrobnik
Posted June 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
If someone says the Earth is flat – Stone them to death!
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There ya go… Like that would solve anything?? LOL Max on a tirade!!
Max and outlander,
Suppose that you believe “something” related to your profession, or work.
Is it okay if someone writes a book that says that you believe the OPPOSITE?
In short that person LIED about what you, MaxGrobnik and outlander, believe.
They LIED about YOUR opinion.
Is that okay with you, Max, and outlander?
Is it okay to LIE about what other people believe, in our “free speech society”?
That’s what Hank Price’s agricultural economist Dennis Avery did.
Avery wrote a book (and a web page) that falsely claimed that scientists who AGREE with anthropogenic global warming DISAGREE with it.
Despite that, (or because of it) Hank still seems to believe that Avery is a credible source re climate science.
Hank copy/pasted a column from Avery at 6:49 am upthread.
Well, I suppose that is when you have a civil action against the person who misrepresented your views.
Do you understand the difference between civil suits and criminal charges, cosmos?
That would make some of the con posters here accessories after the fact.
And yes, I do believe they should be charged and would/will testify against them.
outlander,
Yes, I understand the difference between civil and criminal.
But outlander does not seem to understand the difference between science, and non-scientific nonsense.
outlander posted June 23, 2008 at 2:11 pm
“Thinking like yours is dangerous to a free speech society.”
Telling lies and spreading non-scientific misinformation about AGW is dangerous to all life on Earth.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” — Henrik Tikkanen
Funny how Libs who claim to protect our Rights are all for criminalizing free speech.
There are already laws regarding Libel and Slander, just enforce those, instead of making a new set of laws making all of us criminals.
Telling lies about Christ is dangerous to humans on Earth.
Your own personal after life could be impacted for eternity.
MaxGrobnik
Posted June 23, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
Telling lies about Christ is dangerous to humans on Earth.
Your own personal after life could be impacted for eternity.
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What the………????
MaxGrobnik posted June 23, 2008 at 2:56 pm
“Funny how Libs who claim to protect our Rights are all for criminalizing free speech.
There are already laws regarding Libel and Slander, just enforce those, instead of making a new set of laws making all of us criminals.”
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Max, do you have a reading problem?
Monkeyhawk posted June 23, 2008 at 6:44 am
“Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist”
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Let me try to help you understand.
Put OIL FIRM CHIEFS on trial, says leading climate change scientist
Max, if you believe that “OIL FIRM CHIEFS” equals “all of us“, then you’re beyond help.
What Chas, don’t you think lies about Christ are just as if not more dangerous to life on Earth as lies about Global Warming?
I see another one will probably be kicked off the McCain team (or resign if he’s smart). McCain adviser Charlie Black says, “Another attack on the U.S. would be a big advantage for McCain.” Ooops. How many is this that have been kicked off the team.
Aim the cameras at McCain, never turn off the microphone. His advisers are bad enough, but he will be his own undoing!
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BlueJay
Posted June 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
That would make some of the con posters here accessories after the fact.
And yes, I do believe they should be charged and would/will testify against them.
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Chuckle….Ha, haha, hahahhahhah. ,HAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAHAHH, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA,
Oh please, someone make him stop. JR thinks that… HHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, No he doesn’t, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAAHHAH!! Oh my…
Be careful Max. It might be people like YOU who are really telling the lies.
Do you really want to sow that thought and reap it’s effect?
Are you THAT certain that YOU are telling the TRUTH, and anyone else is LYING?
Al Gore has been caught telling lies.
Example: Sea rise of 23 feet instead of 23 inches.
Talk about scare tactics and out and out lying, Gore told a whopper on that one.
Global Warming, only when it’s not “masked over” by natural climate events.
My prediction on climate change is that in the next 10 years, the alarmists will have backpedaled so much on their predictions they will look like incompetent fools.
Wait…too late for that.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran
– John McCain –
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 23, 2008 at 4:17 pm
“Al Gore has been caught telling lies.”
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Thank you ‘Regular’ for LYING about what Al Gore claimed.
‘Regular’ is an excellent example of a LYING AGW denier.
7 meters approx. = 23 feet
From the IPCC:
“If a negative surface mass balance were sustained for millennia, that would lead to virtually complete elimination of the Greenland Ice Sheet and a resulting contribution to sea level rise of about 7 m.
The corresponding future temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when palaeoclimatic information suggests reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise.”
The Reguliar doesn’t know the difference between a meter and an inch?
(chortles)
“This defendant preyed on women in the Hispanic community. By passing herself off as a doctor, she put these women’s lives in serious danger.”
. . . lesbian feminist pro-abortion San Diego DA Bonnie Dumanis, on the criminal prosecution of abortionist quack Bertha Bugarin
. . .
Abortionist quack Bertha Bugarin, 48, of Californicatia, who operated a line of racist abortion mills that preyed on mostly low-income Hispanic women, was jailed in San Diego Thursday on ten felonies and a misdemeanor charge, and could face as much as 9 years in federal prison for unlicensed abortions and medications and grand theft. Bugarin charged women as much as $500 to perform abortions illegally and without a license. At least 9 victims who came forward during a year-long investigation complained of malpractice, botched abortions requiring hospital treatment, and sexual abuse. One victim of an incomplete abortion birthed a baby that died 3 hours later.
Bugarin had also been arrested in Los Angeles in August, 2007 on 18 counts of unlicensed, illegal abortions. Since the early 1990s, at least 12 personal injury and malpractice lawsuits and one wrongful death suit have been filed in Los Angeles County against Bertha Bugarin, her abortion mills, or both.
The racist abortion mill chain Clinica Medica Para La Mujer De Hoy targeted Hispanic women for population reduction, advertised on Spanish language TV, and would often pass out abortion discount coupons in Hispanic neighborhoods.
This is the ruthless, racist exploitation and devaluation of women and their children for obscene profits, not women’s rights.
The multinic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 23, 2008 at 4:17 pm
“Global Warming, only when it’s not “masked over” by natural climate events.”
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Too bad ‘Regular’ has an Industrial Hygiene ENGINEERING degree instead of a science degree. And a lack of functioning brain cells.
‘Regular’ is unable to understand that short-term natural forcings, like ENSO and large volcanic eruptions, are superimposed on the long-term anthropogenic global warming signal.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Chas
Posted June 23, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran
– John McCain –
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Would this be a lie preacher man?
KansasNative,
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ seems to believe that the word “if” means the something like “at the end of this century”.
‘Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
Come on Regular!
23 inches, 7 meters or 23 feet. It’s all a lie, just a matter of how big!
The non-scientist cosmos desperately tries to arm flail his way out of Gore’s falsehoods. In fact, you can read all the falsehoods and inaccurate statements Gore has made in a review before a London, United Kingdom courtroom at the submitted link.
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Gore says that a sea-level rise of up to 6 m (20 ft) will be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland. Though Gore does not say that the sea-level rise will occur in the near future, the judge found that, in the context, it was clear that this is what he had meant, since he showed expensive graphical representations of the effect of his imagined 6 m (20 ft) sea-level rise on existing populations, and he quantified the numbers who would be displaced by the sea-level rise.
The IPCC says sea-level increases up to 7 m (23 ft) above today’s levels have happened naturally in the past climate, and would only be likely to happen again after several millennia. In the next 100 years, according to calculations based on figures in the IPCC’s 2007 report, these two ice sheets between them will add a little over 6 cm (2.5 inches) to sea level, not 6 m (this figure of 6 cm is 15% of the IPCC’s total central estimate of a 43 cm or 1 ft 5 in sea-level rise over the next century). Gore has accordingly exaggerated the official sea-level estimate by approaching 10,000 per cent.
Ms. Kreider says the IPCC estimates a sea-level rise of “59 cm” by 2100. She fails to point out that this amounts to less than 2 ft, not the 20 ft imagined by Gore. She also fails to point out that this is the IPCC’s upper estimate, on its most extreme scenario. And she fails to state that the IPCC, faced with a stream of peer-reviewed articles stating that sea-level rise is not a threat, has reduced this upper estimate from 3 ft in 2001 to less than 2 ft (i.e. half the mean centennial sea-level rise that has occurred since the end of the last Ice Age 10,000 years ago) in 2007.
Ms. Kreider says the IPCC’s 2007 sea-level calculations excluded contributions from Greenland and West Antarctica because they could not be quantified. However, Table SPM1 of the 2007 report quantifies the contributions of these two ice-sheets to sea-level rise as representing about 15% of the total change.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html
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cosmos as usual misrepresent what people write or say. cosmos is a liar and an alarmist.
cosmos is not a scientist.
Second Street Closed at Santa Fe
Date: June 23, 2008
Contact: Mike Jacobs, Special Projects Engineer
E-mail: MJacobs@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4235
Second Street will be closed at Santa Fe Street for eight weeks beginning Monday, June 23, 2008. Dondlinger & Sons Construction, Inc. will remove the remaining portions of the old railroad bridge on the Central Rail Corridor and continue constructing the new larger structure that is currently two-thirds complete. The closure will occur at the railroad tracks and full access to Old Town businesses will be maintained.
During the closure, traffic will be detoured to Central Avenue. Large trucks may choose to detour to Murdock because there is now full 15’-6” clearance beneath the new railroad bridge.
These improvements mark the second and final phase of construction for the new railroad bridge at 2nd Street, which has been carrying one line of train traffic since October 16, 2007. When complete, the bridge will have capacity for three overhead tracks, with three westbound driving lanes and sidewalks below, plus an overhead clearance of 15’-6” for large trucks.
This work is part of the City’s downtown Central Railroad Corridor Project that includes new railroad bridges at First, Second, Central, Murdock, and 13th Streets, plus improvements at Douglas Avenue Bridge. Work on the $105 million Central Corridor began on April 18, 2005 and will be completed in four phases to elevate railroad tracks onto new bridges, while maintaining vehicular traffic below. This will be a major accomplishment in improving downtown traffic flow. Work is to be completed in the fall of 2009.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’
Thank you for again proving my points that you LIED about Al Gore’s claim, and you are a LYING AGW denier.
And you don’t understand the word “if”.
BTW: Your climate scientist’s CV is very impressive. /sarcasm OFF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
“He was educated at Harrow School, Churchill College, Cambridge where he read classics and University College, Cardiff, where he obtained a diploma in journalism.”
There cosmos goes again. All one has to do is watch the video, “The Inconvenient Truth” and Al Gore’s own words hang himself with his scientific inaccurate hypocrisies.
Gore points to an ice cap and states, “If this were to go, then sea level would rise worldwide twenty feet.”
Now, there is no equivocation, no stuttering, Gore spoke the phrase as a fact.
As pointed out the IPCC states that a 23 inch rise MIGHT occur by the year 2100.
Gore was deliberately misleading the public with a alarmist scare tactic statement that was absolutely false.
No matter how cosmos spins it, Gore issued a false statement as he did issue other false statements in “The Inconvenient Truth” alarmist propaganda video.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos denies the truth when it is shown.
Poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. He lacks the small number of brain cells needed to understand the word “if”.
He can’t understand that loss of Greenland’s ice WOULD cause about a 23 foot sea level rise.
He can’t understand that Dimmock lost.
Oh well… you can’t fix stupid.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 23, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink
Poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. He lacks the small number of brain cells needed to understand the word “if”.
He can’t understand that loss of Greenland’s ice WOULD cause about a 23 foot sea level rise.
He can’t understand that Dimmock lost.
Oh well… you can’t fix stupid.
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B.S. cosmos. The word “if” was not used as a hypothetical statement for Gore’s presentation.
He tied it along with his Global Warming crisis.
Like I said, all one has to do is watch the video and Gore in no way shape or form clouded his intentions to scare people with the 20 feet sea level rise.
Notice how cosmos tries to evoke weasel explanations to change something that everyone knows that Gore said and is recorded permanently on video.
No weaseling out of this cosmos, it was said and it was MEANT TO SCARE.
No question about it.
In fact, the scenario is so preposterous, if warming to that degree were to occur, there were be no life left on the planet.
You can’t defend alarmist stupidity cosmos.
“If” poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ had more brain cells, he might be able to understand the word “if”.
Regular thanks for hanging in there. If Cosmos’ thinking wasn’t so dangerous we could just laugh at him and move on. Unfortunately the snake oil salesman Algore is out in front telling lies and making more money and the sheep follow blindly along. Proved wrong over and over again they still sing the lament that the sky is falling.
Does Cosmos actually have a life other than defending GW and blogging about it?
this according to McCain’s chief strategist, Charlie Black. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December was an “unfortunate event,” says Black. “But his knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who’s ready to be Commander-in-Chief. And it helped us.” As would, Black concedes with startling candor after we raise the issue, another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. “Certainly it would be a big advantage to him,” says Black.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/not_americas_dependence_on_for.php
The McCain campaign people are just crazy. But I can see some left-wing types praying for just such a thing.
‘ Global Warming Twenty Years Later: Tipping Points Near ‘
James Hansen
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/TwentyYearsLater_20080623.pdf
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 23, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink
“If” poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ had more brain cells, he might be able to understand the word “if”.
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Okay cosmos, give the Global Warming scenario that matches Al Gore’s claim to a 20 foot ocean rise.
Can you do it?
If you can, then you will find out how ridiculous the statement Gore made in his video actually is.
Oops, make that right-wing, lol!
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 23, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“Okay cosmos, give the Global Warming scenario that matches Al Gore’s claim to a 20 foot ocean rise.”
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I already did. And more importantly, we don’t know what postive natural warming feedbacks will occur in the future.
“If” poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ had many more brain cells, he might be able to understand.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 23, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 23, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“Okay cosmos, give the Global Warming scenario that matches Al Gore’s claim to a 20 foot ocean rise.”
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I already did. And more importantly, we don’t know what postive natural warming feedbacks will occur in the future.
“If” poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ had many more brain cells, he might be able to understand.
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That’s correct cosmos – “we don’t know”
So, any speculation on the rise of sea level to 20 feet plus is purely a scare tactic based on speculative and made up science.
In other words, Gore was BSing his audience, the America public and the World in general with bovine excrement.
Why?
Because in cosmos words, “we don’t know what postive natural warming feedbacks will occur in the future.”
They call what Gore said B.S. in any language cosmos.
Here OKOB >>>>
‘Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
Now go back to your rat’s nest… Geez!!
KSGrm will just say that McCain was “joking” so it’s all alright……………..
Now if Ahmadickhead was videoed singing “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb America,” the media outrage would rival that surrounding “Nipple Gate” during the halftime show at the Super Bowl.
The sooner that we recognize that we are a part of the global community, the better off we will all be.
And another one, where McCain calls a kid a little jerk after a question on aging…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zx3-0zOPs&NR=1
Just thought I’d throw one in for emphasis…
I seriously doubt Obama would have anything to do with these nutcases, but McCain (watch him squirm over this) seems to keep hiring them by the truckload. These are some seriously sick minds running his election campaign.\
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McCain strategist: Terrorist attack ‘would be a big advantage’ in election.
As part of a series on “The candidates and your money,” Fortune Magazine asked Senator John McCain what he perceived as the single greatest economic threat to the United States. McCain’s reply, after several seconds of staring “into the void,” was “radical Islamic extremism.”
According to top McCain strategist Charlie Black, this response was no error. National security is McCain’s winning answer, no matter what the question.
For example, Black told Fortune that even though the assassination of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto last December was an “unfortunate event,” it was useful to McCain in the New Hampshire primary, because “his knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who’s ready to be Commander-in-Chief. And it helped us.”
The Fortune interviewer goes on to say that “Black concedes with startling candor after we raise the issue” that McCain would also be helped by “another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. ‘Certainly it would be a big advantage to him,’ says Black.”
Washington Monthly’s Kevin Drum was scathing in his comments on McCain’s response. “It’s as if McCain is trying to become a parody of himself here,” writes Drum. “Is his answer to every question ‘Islamic extremism’? … Two things are remarkable here. First, that McCain genuinely seems to believe that Islamic extremism poses not just a threat, but a threat to the very existence of the West. This is science fiction territory. Second, that he apparently can’t come up with any better answer to Fortune’s question about economic threats.”
“It’s been pretty obvious for a while that McCain is going to try and turn the entire election into a referendum on national security, painting Obama as a 21st century Neville Chamberlain,” Drum concludes. “This seems like an early sign of just how far he’s planning to take this.”
For his part, Sen. McCain later expressed his disapproval of Black’s comments, saying, “If he said that — and I do not know the context — I strenuously disagree. … I cannot imagine why he would say it. It’s not true.”
UPDATE: CNN’s Jack Cafferty picked up Black’s exchange for his daily question to viewers.
“Should McCain adviser Charlie Black be fired for saying a terrorist attack would help McCain’s chances?” he asked. Answers will be read on air during the Situation Room, which airs at 4 p.m.
http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/23/mccain-strategist-terrorist-attack-would-be-a-big-advantage-in-election/
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ seems to believe:
“If” equals “it will happen by 2100″.
and,
“We don’t know what postive natural warming feedbacks will occur in the future.”
equals
“Postive natural warming feedbacks will NOT occur in the future.”
Poor ‘Regular’ is obviously lacking a large number of brain cells.
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IPCC:
“Global sea level was likely between 4 and 6 m higher during the last interglacial period, about 125 ka, than in the 20th century. In agreement with palaeoclimatic evidence, climate models simulate arctic summer warming of up to 5°C during the last interglacial. The inferred warming was largest over Eurasia and northern Greenland, whereas the summit of Greenland was simulated to be 2°C to 5°C higher than present.
This is consistent with ice sheet modelling suggestions that large-scale retreat of the south Greenland Ice Sheet and other arctic ice fields likely contributed a maximum of 2 to 4 m of sea level rise during the last interglacial, with most of any remainder likely coming from the Antarctic Ice Sheet.”
Don’t B.S. your way out of this one cosmos.
Gore said what he said and he said it for effect.
That effect was to scare people.
The statement was untrue then and it is still untrue today.
Regardless whether or not you lay claim to the weasel excuse “if.”
So cosmos, tell everyone how bullshyt tastes. You appear to like a steady diet of it.
“H.R. 1592, was introduced by Representatives John Conyers (D-MI) and Mark Kirk (R-IL) with 171 cosponsors, and approved by the House, it is almost certain to be vetoed by the President, even if passed by the Senate. The veto is likely because, in its effort to protect persons of all sexual orientations from hate assaults, it would safeguard homosexuals along with heterosexuals and bisexuals.”
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat19.htm
H.R. 1592 and the senate version S. 1105 are extensions of hate crime legislation to protect victims who are attacked on the basis of sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.
The bill also removes a jurisdictional barrier – i.e. that the victim had to be attacked while engaged in a federally protected activity, like voting.
A surpising (to everyone except KFG, maybe) opponent to this bill are Christian Right groups.
Claim: Pending legislation would make it a hate crime if ministors were to preach that homosexuality was a sin.
Snopes explodes this myth:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/hatecrime.asp
The bigotry against Christians is pretty prevelent today. So, I guess you can’t blame Christians for being on the watch for violations of their rights. /sarcasm
Great post Steven!! Thanks!!
okobserver
Posted June 23, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted June 23, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran
– John McCain –
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Would this be a lie preacher man?
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Uh…No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg&feature=related
A link explaining in greater detail my ealier post:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=910
7 meters approx. = 23 feet
From the IPCC:
“If a negative surface mass balance were sustained for millennia, that would lead to virtually complete elimination of the Greenland Ice Sheet and a resulting contribution to sea level rise of about 7 m.
The corresponding future temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when palaeoclimatic information suggests reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise.”
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 23, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
7 meters approx. = 23 feet
From the IPCC:
“If a negative surface mass balance were sustained for millennia, that would lead to virtually complete elimination of the Greenland Ice Sheet and a resulting contribution to sea level rise of about 7 m.
The corresponding future temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when palaeoclimatic information suggests reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise.”
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So cosmos,
Tell everyone what surface mass balance means.
Or do you want to weasel out and still go on with co2 causes everything in climate change?
From this link you can get to an audio file where Dr. James Hansen speaks for himself.
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/
He was on the Diane Rhem show today. He made the interesting point that gobal warming desenters have had a greater presence in the media than the acceptance of their views in the scientific community would warrent. This helps promote the perception that there are great questions in the minds of qualified scientists about the whole global warming question than what actually exists.
I am not sure that the dissenters have made much of an impact on public opinion about the reality of global warming:
“A large majority of Americans — 85% — say global warming is probably happening, according to a new TIME magazine/ABC News/Stanford University poll. An even larger percentage (88%) think global warming threatens future generations. More than half (60%) say it threatens them a great deal; 38% feel that global warming is already a serious problem, and 47% feel that it will be in the future.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1176967,00.html
I wonder what that says about there being so many global warming dissenters here? I would be opposed the limiting the free speech rights of people who don’t believe in global warming. It would mean losing a valuable source of entertainment for me. My $0.02.
F everyone’s I
“Outlander” calls himself by that nic because he sees himself as not of this world. But the…next?
Well that is what he told me anyway.
Cue “Twilight Zone” music.
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Chas
Posted June 23, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink
And another one, where McCain calls a kid a little jerk after a question on aging…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zx3-0zOPs&NR=1
Just thought I’d throw one in for emphasis…
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Thanks for showing that Chas. It’s called humor. Spelled h-u-m-o-r. If you would like, I can explain the concept.
Steven Davis,
The poll is deceptive if it did not differentiate between natural Climate Change and AGW.
In fact, with out that in the question, the poll is meaningless.
Climate natural variations are greater than the sum of all anthropogenic contributed gases by a factor of 99.9 to 0.01 percent.
So which do you think is going to control the climate? The greater or the smaller?
Junior, I also know your real name. If you want a fire fight, you can have it.
You are always welcome to argue valid points. But you will stay away from personal stuff, which incidentally, you have been lying about and misrepresenting anyway. I have had about all of you that I am going to take.
Is that clear?
The nic WAS J R there outie.
Now it’s BlueJay.
And as your source for anything you THINK you have on me is the liar Paul Rosell or the kook James “Regular” McCluer? I think I’ll just leave you to consider that.
“You are always welcome to argue valid points.”
I never lie Mike. I asked you about the origin of your nic and you told me. That is a valid consideration in your posts here. From where I stand we have one world to take care of. You seem more concerned with the next world. That is a valid point to bring to light as to your denial of human caused global warming.
“But you will stay away from personal stuff, which incidentally, you have been lying about and misrepresenting anyway.”
Not once there outie. Catch me in a lie if you can. And nobody tells me how or what to post.
Is that clear short stuff?
Want to see a huge steaming pile of “bovine excrement” and “bullshyt”?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted:
“Climate natural variations are greater than the sum of all anthropogenic contributed gases by a factor of 99.9 to 0.01 percent.”
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Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, show us your science(sic) for that claim.
And also for your other huge steaming pile of “bovine excrement” and “bullshyt” — that global CO2 was above 400 ppm in the 1940’s, and other recent times.
‘More Nonsense about CO2′
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3
“It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year —- the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”
It was not meant as an arguing point. Simply a statement of fact. You do it again, and I will post your identity. Enough said.
Record rainfall. 3X normal number of tornados. Unseasonably pleasant temperatures. Ask the grandkids in a hundred years if this was knowable.
Meanwhile, join King George as he fiddles.
Neat Article from England >>>>
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06/21/stonehenge.dawn.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
How are your family, and friends?
Are they PROUD of the LIES you post on this blog, about climate science, other posters, the Sierra Club, etc?
Do they all believe that you proudly represent “Kansas values”, and your long Kansas family heritage?
Is the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ going to answer the questions in my 10:31 pm post?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-623/#comment-373034
If not, I’ll just ask them again tomorrow, and the next day, and…
I think all this theatening to “out” others is pretty silly and a sign that this forum is in the sewer. {Big surprise, there}. Not to mention that the those theatening to do such things most likely are pretty afraid (of something), who knows what?.
Night all…
“So which do you think is going to control the climate? The greater or the smaller?”
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I think the smaller would be you James. In many more ways than one.
Good night.
StevenEDavis posted June 23, 2008 at 11:57 pm
“Not to mention that the those theatening to do such things most likely are pretty afraid (of something), who knows what?.”
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From the attacks, and more importantly the non-responses, made by Hank, outlander, MaxGrobnik, and the very multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ upthread — they are all afraid that AGW is happening.
And/or… that the stupid lies from them, and other deniers like Dennis Avery, Sen. Inhofe, et al, can no longer hide AGW.
Is the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ going to answer the questions in my 10:31 pm post?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-623/#comment-373034
If not, I’ll just ask them again tomorrow, and the next day, and…
Come warn me some more James.
This is fun.
So cosmos, why aren’t there more guilty people in the Sierra Club? I mean they killed all those people in New Orleans with their self-serving ‘green’ agendas which is not really meant to be an environmental service, but one of control and power by the Sierra Club.
Does the Sierra Club not care if they kill people?
Well of course I have an advantage on you James.
I’m sane.
Fire away with what ever powder ya got there ZZ Top.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Do you have a link to PROUDLY show your family and friends, to support the very FALSE, FICTIONAL last paragraph you added to your copy/paste post here?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
Has the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ found his (NON-EXISTENT) links to the Congressional record and Justice Dept.? Nope!
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is just a pathetic, hate-filled LIAR.
(chortles)
Well, folks —
Good night; Good luck; and God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessings especially on Flood Victims everywhere!!
How the Environmentalists systematically killed the City of New Orleans
(And we want to trust these kooks with Climate Changes Issues?)
In 1977, U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz Jr. issued an injunction against the Army Corps of Engineers’ project to install floodgates on Lake Pontchartrain. He wrote, “plaintiffs herein have demonstrated that they, and in fact all persons in this area, will be irreparably harmed if the barrier project based on the August 1974 FEIS [Federal Environmental Impact Study] is allowed to continue.” Schwartz also ruled that associated flood prevention plans in Chalmette and New Orleans East must be stopped.
In 1986, nine years after they had been blocked in court, the Corps formally dropped the Lake Ponchartrain Hurricane Protection Project as part of a compromise with environmentalists that allowed the Corps to raise the levees around St. Bernard, Orleans, East Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. But the levee-raising program was not designed to protect the area against anything stronger than a Category 3 storm.
A 1996 suit (Mississippi River Basin Alliance, et al. v. H. Martin Lancaster) filed by environmental groups at the U.S. District Court in New Orleans claimed the Corps had not looked at “the impact on bottomland hardwood wetlands.” The lawsuit stated, “Bottomland hardwood forests must be protected and restored if the Louisiana black bear is to survive as a species, and if we are to ensure continued support for source population of all birds breeding in the lower Mississippi River valley.” In addition to the Sierra Club, other parties to the suit were the group American Rivers, the Mississippi River Basin Alliance, and the Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi Wildlife Federations.
As a result of the 1997 lawsuit, the Army Corp of Engineer lost the funding to do any improvements and could not from that moment on get sufficient funds to work on the levees in New Orleans in any meaningful manner.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=9104
http://saveourwetlands.org/74-edenisle(fed).htm
(chortles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_levee_failures_in_Greater_New_Orleans#U.S._Army_Corps_of_Engineers_admits_fault
“U.S. Army Corps of Engineers admits fault
On April 5, 2006, months after independent investigators had demonstrated that the levee failures were not due to natural forces beyond intended design strength, Lt. Gen. Carl Strock testified before the U. S. Senate Subcommittee on Energy and Water that, “We have now concluded we had problems with the design of the structure.” He also testified that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers did not know of this mechanism of failure prior to August 29, 2005. The claim of ignorance is refuted, however, by the National Science Foundation investigators hired by the Army Corps of Engineers, who point to a 1986 study by the corps itself that such separations were possible in the I-wall design.[16]
Nearly two months later, on June 1, 2006, the USACE finally and unequivocally admitted responsibility for the events in New Orleans with the release of the completed report. The final draft of the IPET report states the destructive forces of Katrina were “aided by incomplete protection, lower than authorized structures, and levee sections with erodible materials.” “
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