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Open thread 6/21
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted June 21, 2008 at 6:04 a.m.
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Al Gore personally proves the futility of his own policy recommendations
The morality play on offer from greenies and their media buddies holds that “we can’t drill our way” to cheaper oil prices, but “conservation” and “new technologies” for “alternative energy” are the answer.
Thus, I am thankful to Al Gore for proving that even in a high profile demonstration project these “solutions” won’t work. The Tennessee Center for Policy Research reports that Gore’s home in Nashville has increased its energy usage by 10% in the past year. This is in the face of proudly-announced (and expensive) energy-saving steps. Stop the ACLU cites the Soros-Funded Think Progress site for information:
Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.
Now that Gore has proven his measures are ineffective, it is time to drill offshore, ANWR, mine coal and oil-bearing rock, and build nuclear power plants on an expedited basis.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/al_gore_proves_the_futility_of.html
The TCPR reports inaccurate figures and statistics — Give it up Hank!! Gore isnt running for President anymore!!
Chas, Gore is a hypocrite or just plain stupid with regard to the countries energy needs and with his own example he’s showing.
I strongly suspect both.
Matt for Secretary of State
Master of diplomacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
3 Police officers from wichita being investigated for comments at a PRIVATE PARTY? I know they pull this kind of stuff for behavior of corrections officers, but its wrong. Unless it was a violation of confidentiality I support free speech outside of the workplace as long as they’re out of uniform.
If officers get fired for this then they better fire the Phelps clan for what they do off duty. And I don’t agree with that either.
More on Gore’s home:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp
Gore may or may not be doing all that he can to reduce the impact and CO2 emissions of the energy his house uses. I personally suspect he is (at least, I see no reason not to take him and his associates at their word), but the fact remains his residence does consume a lot of power is and does not appear to be particularly efficient.
The important point is, Gore’s personal habits do not invalidate what he says. Indeed, the validity of the science of human caused global warming/climate change does not depend on Al Gore.
http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/page.php?page_id=27
Hardly a group without an agenda. They appear to be advocates of the reflexive position that “government regulation is always bad”. That being said, the base information about Gore’s house is accurate. However, this information is not relevant to the validity of global warming.
What percentage of energy use in Gore’s Mansion is for his “Residence” and what percentage is used for the various “business” offices housed there??
Then, when you have those figures, see how Gore’s energy use for living quarters compares to other home owners…. That would seem like one way to stop people who write the shill articles about energy use…
Here’s the “antecedent” for the AGW deniers like Hank price and the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum
And a portrait of an typical AGW denier,
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/images/blog-full-3009.jpg
Only people like Hank Price would believe that a DROP from 221,000 kWh to 213,210 kWh is a 10% INCREASE.
‘Gore decreases his energy usage so TCPR lies about it’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/06/gore_decrease_his_energy_usage.php
“… And that’s using the numbers from the TCPR. Gore’s spokeswoman Kalee Kreider says the real numbers are rather different:
In fact, over the past year the Gores’ utility bills have dropped 40 percent, thanks largely to the house’s spanking new geothermal heating and cooling system, which has reduced the Gores’ natural gas bill by 90 percent in the past year. …
Kreider pointed out that the renovations weren’t complete until November, so it’s a bit early to be attempting before-and-after comparisons. In addition, the Gores participate in the Nashville Electric Service’s Green Power Switch Program, which allows them to buy their electricity from renewable sources like wind power, solar power or methane gas from landfills (the house’s 33 solar panels only supply 4 percent of its power needs, per Kreider.) So any energy they burn won’t be burning them a bigger carbon footprint.”
Chas
Posted June 21, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink
What percentage of energy use in Gore’s Mansion is for his “Residence” and what percentage is used for the various “business” offices housed there??
Then, when you have those figures, see how Gore’s energy use for living quarters compares to other home owners…. That would seem like one way to stop people who write the shill articles about energy use…
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Man I have some swamp land in Arizona and I will sell it to you for a song. I see that you will buy anything and even try to sell it.
“Chas” –
The whole Gore utility bill hoohah is a strange diversion. It comes from those who think there’s nothing wrong with conspicuous consumption of fossil fuels.
The comparison with Rancho Dumbya in Crawford, Texas is as phony as the “ranch” itself. Other than the thirty days leading up to 9/11, just how many nights have the George WMD Bush’s spent in that house? Does anyone really think that’s where Shrub’s gonna retire? Hah!
He’ll move to Dallas so he can be close to his presidential library and work on his
memoirscoloring books.Meanwhile, Gore’s issue is the carbon footprint of energy consumption. We simply have to stop burning up dinosaurs or else we’ll kill the planet or run out of dinosaurs or both… and be in really deep doo-doo (unfortunately, not</i dinosaur doo-doo.)
Thanks to (FDR’s) the Tennessee Valley Authority ( about as “socialist” a program as wing-nuts can imagine), Gore has opted to purchase hydroelectric generated energy. We flatlanders don’t have all that many hydroelectric opportunities, but we do have wind; lots of it. Kansas could be the Saudi Arabia of wind if we applied ourselves. And we don’t have to buy wind from Muslims.
And the key is there’s not a quality-of-life argument to be made if we do it right. We slow down the burning of dead dinosaurs and create energy that doesn’t spew dead dinosaurs into the atmosphere.
What’s the downside again?
sure monkey and I bet in your world elephants can fly too.
“okobserver” misfires –
“sure monkey and I bet in your world elephants can fly too.”
The first Disney movie I ever saw was “Dumbo.”
Even then it made sense that this was the symbol for the Republic Party.
Any legitimate comparison of energy savings would also include the weather during the two periods.
Gore’s energy use went down last summer, despite a HEAT wave.
‘Gore makes Nashville home more ‘green’ ‘
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
“Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation’s most environmentally friendly.
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“Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don’t know how it could have been rated any higher,” said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.
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It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events.
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The Green Building Council’s certification program has four levels, with platinum being the highest followed by gold. Gore’s home was one of 14 to earn gold status and the only Tennessee home to earn any certification.”
OKOB doesnt seem to understand that Gore only uses a part of his Mansion as a residence…
Therefore, we can demand that the President of the United States has to include the Entire White House Electric bill for the Residence figure of electricity used by the President and Family….
I bet OKOB wouldnt demand that of the President… only for Gore….
But mostly, because OKOB cannot read what I first posted!! LOL Get new reading glasses — they’re cheap!!
Can we have a daily global warming thread along with the daily slam-o-rama thread?
“Can we have a daily global warming thread along with the daily slam-o-rama thread?”
P Mom, you forgot the……………………………
“You’re not a Christian!”
“Yes, I am!”
“I say you’re not!”
“Well, screw you!”
………………………………………………thread.
Political mama don’t they have one now.
Chas what business runs out of the Gore mansion? How many people work there?
You seem to know it all. Share some of that knowledge.
Hank Price posted,
“The morality play on offer from greenies and their media buddies holds that “we can’t drill our way” to cheaper oil prices, but “conservation” and “new technologies” for “alternative energy” are the answer.”
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Higher energy efficiency would “produce” many times the amount of oil that MIGHT be recovered from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
It would be cheaper, faster, guaranteed, and cleaner.
And more reliable — a drunk shutdown the pipeline with a rifle.
‘Alaska clean-up ‘could take years’ ‘
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1584553.stm
A mid-winter shutdown could congeal the heated oil, making a restart impossible until the next summer.
Cosmos I have never seen so many excuses from any blogger as you throw out. You have no solutions except conserve.
Libs are going to have to do better. People are waking up and see what you and yours have done to our country in the last 30 years.
67% of them say drill now, drill here and we will be paying less. You’re losing this war and the GOP has picked up on this. Look to see the democrats jump on the bandwagon soon especially Obama who plays the political game so well.
OKOB ??? You dont believe me??? WOW big news!! YOU go and google it, and prove it to yourself… Then you cant argue with ME about what I already know to be TRUE!!!
It is a KNOWN FACT…. sort of like 2 + 2 = 4!
Geez, Dumb DOES grow on trees!!
And, OKOB, your granny senility is showing!! LOL
“67% of them say drill now, drill here and we will be paying less.”
Well, then why aren’t the American oil companies drilling on the thousands of acres that are ALREADY under drilling permits?
Eh?
You mean those 68 Million acres Clark??? Yea, I wondered that myself!!
okobserver posted June 21, 2008 at 12:04 pm
“You have no solutions except conserve.
Libs are going to have to do better. People are waking up and see what you and yours have done to our country in the last 30 years.”
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Americans want cars with gas mileage like back in 1978?
Americans believe that 700,000 bbls a day from Alaska has brought us “energy independence”, and low gas prices?
I don’t think so…
BTW: You can get some great deals on gas-guzzling SUV’s and trucks today.
This is for OKOB who can only taunt at posters, cause he/she cant READ….
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
“It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events.”
In 15 years this may lower gasoline prices by 15 cents….
Conservation – not a message of Bush’s – saves right here and now..
BTW, why is Gore the bogey man now. Didn’t the American majority vote for him and then other guy won and has been running things??
Eh, the smart kids always get picked on by the dumb bullies…..
So, OKOB, quit bitching, and post something relevant, or otherwise, just SHUT UP!!
Why do European cars get 50 – 60 % better gas mileage than US cars? Who opposed higher US mileage standards? Who supported them?
Who is paying the price now?
Why do European cars get 50 – 60 % better gas mileage than US cars? Who opposed higher US mileage standards? Who supported them?
Who is paying the price now?
What is unclear about this? What are they screaming about???
“Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don’t know how it could have been rated any higher,” said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.
Gore’s improvements cut the home’s summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave.
FROM:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
DavidB — They just need something to bitch about, even if they are Wrong in what they are bitching about!! LOL
Oh dear…
MOUNT VERNON, Ohio (AP) – A public school teacher preached his Christian beliefs despite complaints by other teachers and administrators and used a device to burn the image of a cross on students’ arms, according to a report by independent investigators.
Mount Vernon Middle School teacher John Freshwater also taught creationism in his science class and was insubordinate in failing to remove a Bible and other religious materials from his classroom, the report said.
Thats pretty bad when a teacher taks to branding students… no matter what they brand them with… Any teacher doing that should be fired!!
“Who opposed higher US mileage standards?”
Ronald Reagan.
Written in 1990, 16 years ago,
‘Make Fuel Efficiency Our Gulf Strategy’
http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Security/S90-26_MakeFuelEffGulf.pdf
“Are we putting our kids in tanks because we didn’t put them in efficient cars? Yes: we wouldn’t have needed any oil from the Persian Gulf after 1985 if we’d simply kept on saving oil at the rate we did from 1977 through 1985.”
More in PDF.
“It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events.”
OK chas because I have an office in my house which is where I am sitting now and I have a large kitchen I can call my house a home office. No matter that me and my mate live here and only use the coffee maker, microwave and frig on a regular basis.
Good tax break. Leave it up to a lib to point that out to me.
By the way put a lid on your mouth. Seems I read you are a man of the cloth. Shouldn’t you have a longer fuse or turn the other cheek or some such.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
“Gore’s improvements cut the home’s summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave.”
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Roughly speaking, adjusting for the heat wave, Gore’s improvements cut consumption by about 30% to 40%.
Well Cosmos since he obviously is your hero I won’t even mention his private jet or that SUV he likes to go around in.
My hero, Algore!!!
What we and ours have done? Gee, things were great till your guys took over. So WTFE!
okobserver posted June 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm
“I won’t even mention his private jet…”
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Good idea, since he doesn’t own a “private jet”.
He flies commercial whenever possible, and even had random security checks.
‘Ex-VP no airport VIP
Gore searched twice during Wisconsin trip’
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/nat/jun02/51090.asp
Maybe okobserver is easily conned by lies from the fossil-fuel funded CEI?
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/05/cei_exaggerates_by_a_factor_of.php
“It seems that the CEI believe that Gore must take 4,000,000*(170/1600)=400,000 cross-country flights every day of the year.”
“… or that SUV he likes to go around in.”
Does he still have that 2007 Mercury Mariner Hybrid?
OKOB — answer to your question — NO!!!!
YOU WANT TO ACT LIKE A NUT, THATS HOW YOU WILL BE TREATED!! AND YES, BTW, IF YOU HAVE A HOME OFFICE, I WOULD HOPE YOU USE IT AS A TAX DEDUCTION…
I SORT OF THINK GORE’S MANSION HAS SLIGHTLY BIGGER OFFICES THAN YOUR PLACE… AND AGAIN, THAT MATTER HAS BEEN POSTED HERE SEVERAL TIMES, AND IS FAIRLY COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO THOSE WHO A DECENT LEVEL OF READING COMPREHENSION!!
okobserver, the allcaps is Chas’s way of making sure you can see the print.
Since he obviously believes you have a reading problem.
Or is it a meltdown, I have trouble telling which.
Oh yea, OKOB. you might want to get your facts straight about Gore’s travels, before you go posting lies that are easily proven… Might help your lack of credibility!!
I’m outta here for now… not gonna put up with these damned right wing spew masters any more right now… Bye all — till later!!
It’s the reading problem, Duh!!
“AND AGAIN, THAT MATTER HAS BEEN POSTED HERE SEVERAL TIMES, AND IS FAIRLY COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO THOSE WHO A DECENT LEVEL OF READING COMPREHENSION!!”
Chas and what is your problem. This sentence makes absolutely no sense.
It is a well documented fact that Gore flys in a private jet frequently. I’m not demeaning him for that only saying get off your high horses and realize we all own this problem. Democrat and republican presidents have let us down and we are now in a crunch situation.
chas thank you for leaving. I’m sure your cap finger is sore.
Chas
Posted June 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
It’s the reading problem, Duh!!
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It’s the scentence structure. Duh!!!
okobserver posted June 21, 2008 at 4:25 pm
“It is a well documented fact that Gore flys in a private jet frequently.”
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Then it will be easy for okobserver to
1) Define “frequently.
2) “Document” that Gore has taken private jet flights “frequently”.
16 flights, during the entire 1999 – 2000 campaign season?
Gore????
How ’bout looking up Queen Cindy McC###’s lifestyle?
Gore isn’t quite as green as he’s led the world to believe
Former Vice President Al Gore shakes hands with a woman after signing a copy of his book An Inconvenient Truth for her, in Philadelphia last month.
By Peter Schweizer
Correction: In this column that appeared Aug. 10 on the Forum Page, writer Peter Schweizer inaccurately stated that former vice president Al Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property in Tennessee despite his environmental advocacy. He no longer does, as the mine was closed in 2003.
Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a “carbon-neutral lifestyle.” To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. “Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb,” warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. “We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin.”
ON DEADLINE: Your thoughts?
Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore’s example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a “carbon-neutral lifestyle.” But if Al Gore is the world’s role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.
For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film’s distributor, pays this.)
Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
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Cosmos I could find many more stories just like this one but he is your god not mine. He doesn’t practice what he preaches because it is a sham and he know it. My opinion only.
okobserver,
Is “…when using a private jet to promote his film.” your entire proof that it’s a “well documented fact that Gore flys in a private jet frequently” ?
That’s very weak. And I don’t think he has “promoted” his film for a while.
The author of your 2006 op-ed is not an unbiased source.
“Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hoover_Institution_on_War%2C_Revolution_and_Peace
“The Hoover Institution, within Stanford University, is a Republican public policy research center (think tank) …. It has also been called the West’s citadel of anticommunism, or Bush ‘brain trust’.”
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Gore is not my “god”. But why do you lie about him?
He does practice what he suggests — reduce your carbon footprint, and buy carbon credits to offset the remaining amount.
Cosmos you are so predictable I could have written your response. Believe what you will. Nero fiddled and Rome burned. Guess we will never learn. But look at it this way. Algore has turned a cottage industry into a forture for himself so everyone didn’t lose with his doom and gloom forcast.
Well, while you all were here passing the time, presumably in air conditioned comfort, two of my galpals and I were killing, plucking, cleaning and freezing over thirty chickens.
Ummmm…. fried chicken tomorrow. And I still have seventy more in the coop, waiting for the hatchet women next week and the week after.
A farm girl’s work is never done. Now I have to clean the equipment, sharpen the knives for next week, and take care of the birds left behind.
Woof. NO wonder people used to have so many kids and live close to their relatives. The “women folk” would get together and go from house to house to “do chickens”. Then they’d “do corn” in season and “do green beans” in season, etc. And in between times they’d make noodles and butcher hogs and cattle in the cool weather.
Goddamn! It’s work to live simply :)
It takes a village to fill a freezer…. And they use to CAN all this stuff!
I would have never lasted a year. Thank goddess for the recuperative powers of Coors Light!
okobserver,
Let’s summarize…
You have no “documentation” re Gore’s “frequent” private jet flights.
You cannot refute that he does what he suggests other people do.
So you instead respond with ad hominems. Typical.
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Cosmos I could sit here all day and post instances where Gore flew in a private jet. I can tell you until the pressure was put on him he did nothing to lower his utilities. I can tell you he has became a very rich man on the fears of the impressionable among us. What good would it do. You would just demean my sources and tell me I am all wrong.
We disagree on GW and we certainly disagree on Al Gore. So we will just agree to disagree. Lets see we are on our third 10 year deadline before the world self implodes.
Talk to you when he start the forth 10 years.
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I believe what Bush sez..
(President Bush) said that there was now a recognition that that richer countries needed to “transfer out of the hydrocarbon economy”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4107327.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164
okobserver posted June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm
“I can tell you until the pressure was put on him he did nothing to lower his utilities.”
You do seem to enjoy telling LIES…
His house was ALREADY being remodeled to make it more energy efficient WHEN the right-wing attacked.
If you knew anything about upgrading houses, you’d understand it takes a lot time to research the options, check the codes and zoning laws, etc.
He had to get the zoning changed before he could put PV panels on the roof.
If thawing permafrost releases large amounts of CO2 and methane, humans would have to reduce GHG emissions even more sharply.
‘Permafrost Threatened By Rapid Retreat Of Arctic Sea Ice, Study Finds’
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080610112628.htm
“The findings raise concerns about the thawing of permafrost, or permanently frozen soil, and the potential consequences for sensitive ecosystems, human infrastructure, and the release of additional greenhouse gases.”
Sure cosmos whatever you say. Only the libs know anything about building codes. Only the libs need more time to make the changes conservatives made years ago. Only the libs always fly commercial unless they are photographed getting off a private jet and then it was necessary to go private because…
Whatever you say Cosmos.
okobserver
Posted June 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Cosmos I could sit here all day and post instances where Gore flew in a private jet. I can tell you until the pressure was put on him he did nothing to lower his utilities. I can tell you he has became a very rich man on the fears of the impressionable among us. What good would it do. You would just demean my sources and tell me I am all wrong.
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Well, then, smart ass, if you think you can post instances where Gore flew in a private (and we wont count Air Force 2)… Then DO IT, or else you lack any credibility….
And why am I not surprised that you attempt to discount my earlier post for (1)being in CAPS; and (2) I left out ONE word… Geez… And thats all you got??
At least TRY to come up with something that you can post to, or give a link…. It’s too much like shooting fish in a barrell otherwise….
I see your Granny senility is showing again, OKOB!!! ROFL!!! :roll:
ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 21, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Well, while you all were here passing the time, presumably in air conditioned comfort, two of my galpals and I were killing, plucking, cleaning and freezing over thirty chickens.
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Heh. Reminds me of east Asia, where everywhere you can find a wet market with cooped up chickens. You pick the chicken and the seller/butcher dude will yank it out of its cage, stick it in an oh-so discreet barrel, and lop off its head. Then he sticks yer recently purchased chicken carcass in a vast pot of water with a constantly running propane fire underneath just long enough to soften the skin. ‘Course you know what comes next, the pluckin’. A couple whacks later and he wraps up for you a slaughtered, carved chicken carcass (with feet and neck intact) that’s at room, if not body, temperature. Talk about fresh chicken!
Of course this also reminds me of my mispent Kansas yoot, when mom, her sisters, and all of us drafted chillen gathered on just the kind of slaughter day you referenced. It was the job of us utility infielder kids to run down the headless — and extremely scary! — headless chickens right after my mom and my aunts had beheaded ‘em. Then on into the kitchen where they were boiled long enough to soften the skin and we could pluck ‘em…done 40 years ago in McP county just as it’s done now, in 2008, in Asia.
Thanks for the memories. To this day I hate the smell of scorched chicken feathers!
’scuse me while I put on my anti-ad hominem kevlar T-shirt… the one from POEM — Professional Organization of English Majors LOL
Pedant — I remember something similar every Summer, in Allegheny County, PA — Only grandpap didnt behead the beasts… He killed em kosher… bled em out in a big special sink, one he made especially for the occasion… the blood and water ran back into the ground… something about replenishing the earth from the dead chickens… He didnt remove the heads till they were dead…. Then came the huge boiler of water…. and off came the feathers… Then, upstairs to the fry pan for Sunday Fried Chicken, and after that, came the Chicken/Noodles for most of the week that followed… What a site that was from a City kid from KS…
Farmers are sure funny, Chas. :D
One year my parents read that they could boost egg production outta our hens if a Bantam rooster was onboard the team. So they acquired one…an extremely aggressive one (which was the whole point, the dinky male with attitude was supposed to have such a sexual effect on our big white hens that eggs would issue forth like manna from heaven).
One idle Sunday afternoon our family was partaking of the bountiful July sunshine whilst gathered around the sistern when the damn dinky bantam went berserk and attacked my younger sister (who was 6 and cute as a button).
I will never forget it. :D In about 2 quick lopes my dad caught up with my hysterical sis, rudely snatched the bantam rooster off her back, twirled him by his scrawny neck violently enough that on about the fourth twirl the rooster’s body separated from its head (still in my dad’s hand) and went flying at least 50 feet straight up in the air.
We kids watched it, spellbound. Ain’t nobody was interested in the carcass for eatin’ purposes, either, when the family dog settled on it upon its dusty landing.
Damn, farm life was special. :D
okobserver,
The TCPR attacked Gore’s home energy use on Feb 26, 2007.
Please explain, without using ad hominems, how that attack on Feb 26, 2007 caused Gore to begin extensive energy renovations in late 2004.
Explain how the attack on Feb 26, 2007 caused him in the summer of 2006 to fight the zoning law re PV panels.
BTW: The TCPR used the “national energy average”, which includes apartments and mobile homes, to claim that Gore used “more than 20 times the national average”.
Using the regional average (hot humid summers and cold winters) Gore used only about 3 times the average.
My grandparents werent exactly on a farm… but they did have almost 2 acres, in a near south side suburb of Pittsburgh… They raised chickens, ducks, rabbits, and when I was very young, they still had the milk cow… and numerous cats… which my grandmother had name all of them Bootsie….
It was in what they called a Borough… sort of like what Haysville and Mulvane are to Wichita… It was sort of rural-esque… The mine road was down below the hill top of the house… with the whole hill side done in a terraced Garden, with every kind of vegetable that could be grown in Western PA… and lots of clover and other grasses for the rabbits at the bottom of the hill… which was all mowed with non-motorized law mowers… It was a sight to see… when it was all working…
Grandparents are both gone now… and they moved off of the hill top in about 78… but Summer time always brings back the memories… :-D
There were numerous grape arbors around the house… and plum, pear, apple, cherry, and peach trees all over the yard… Grandma was a well-noted pie baker… People would come out from the City, to buy her pies… not to mention the Duck Eggs, and freshly butchered and frozen whole rabbits… Also geese every year for Christmas… Even the railroad crews from the PennCentral would stop to buy pies, cookies, and cakes… all from a 4 burner Propane Gas stove… It was a wood stove until I was about 10 or 11… then Grandma reluctantly went to Propane… After much griping in her native German…
:-D
I love this story >>>>
“JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt.’ Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’”
Ah, nostalgia on a summer Saturday evening.
You sound like family, Chas! :D
Best to you and yours, and of course I wish God does for you whatever, however you think of him, or whatever it is that you sign off with…which makes a helluva lot more sense than maybe I give it credit for.
Best wishes, and good luck tomorrow (you’ll knock ‘em dead!). I know you preachers gotta be nervous Saturday evenings!
Ya Brother Chas, heard that story before about the flee…
Here’s one. I heard this from a TV actor/Evangelist back in the 1960s. He played the young farm hand on the TV series “Green Acres.” Can’t remember his name…will recall it later.
Anyway, he was quoting scripture and stated women were the first people to smoke cigarettes. Of course, everyone looked around and wondered what he was talking about. He then read the following from Genesis.
24:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off
the camel.
It was a groaner joke, but somewhat amusing at the time.
Well, cosmos,
Let’s assume that your left-wing scientists are correct. Let’s assume the earth is (in spite of this temporary cooling period) is in a warming trend. Let’s assume that this warming trend is caused by man and we can do something about it. So what?
There is a political reality my little greenie fellow traveler friend. A political reality that you and your consensus can do nothing about. The US doesn’t have the political will to do anything about global warming. The libs folded like a cheap suit case on the cap and trade bill last week. Dusty Reid didn’t have the political moxie to even debate it. Done, fini.
But, wait, as hopeless as it must seem for you and your ilk, it’s even worse than you think. The US, the only country that might even attempt to enact draconian measures to decrease it’s carbon emissions doesn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things.
Russia refuses to play. China and India, representing one third of the worlds population has not even been asked to play. The Kyoto Treaty (the one Clinton would not even send to the Senate) exempted China, India and Africa.
So, all we have is an exercise in futility. You and your AGW alarmists are screwed. With all your bluster, with all your BS, with all your Academy awards and your Emmies, you’re screwed. Screwed if the earth continues it’s cooling trend and shows you for the willing idiots you are. Screwed if it continues to warm and nothing is done.
Think I’ll go check on my ducks.
Hey all, you have got to see this gal play ball.
Talk about equality of the sexes, she shows she is superior in every way.
Makes my heart sing to see a young gal (woman)preform athletically like this gal does.
I get sick of hearing people demand equality when if they would simply preform it couldn’t be denied them. This gal should replace the left fielder.
Look at this….she’s super.
http://www.tremek.com/forum/funny-crazy-wacky-videos/40030-baseball-ball-girl-catch.html
Note: Did a quick check on Snopes and Google and didn’t find anything, but didn’t work at it either.
Use this link to watch her catch the ball.
Pardon the comment following the video of the first link I didn’t see it at first.
Here is a better link:
http://www.thescore.ca/blogs/branded/index.asp?name=branded/2008/06/gatorade_ball_g.html
Dang, Ms. Grrl, ya’ got all these folks all fired up about killin’ chickens and all. My Grandma used to let us young ‘uns watch when she would whack off the head of the chicken and let it run around a bit before plucking that bird and frying it up for Sunday dinner.
I have my own story, however, about chickens. Yesterday I picked up about three pounds of boneless, skinless chicken breasts at Dillion’s, took those birds home and THAWED them right there in the kitchen sink – that’s right – then popped them on the grill with some black pepper and garlic powder.
Just like back home in Kentucky.
Oh there is a political reality that you too are ignoring Hank.
Americans overwhelmingly believe that global warming is happening and that something must be done about it. I have been very proud of my country for it not letting the rising price of gasoline get (completely) in the way of doing the right thing.
You have your cited victories. The side of change has them too. ANWR will not be drilled. The coasts will not be drilled. A coal plant will NOT be built in Kansas.
You and yours kicked the problem down the road instead of solving it. Well now? We are going to start solving the problem. And not at the end of a drill bit, depth of a strip mine, or barrel of a gun.
America will lead the world in getting away from the use of fossil fuels. And we will bury fossils like you and ALL of your ideals along the way.
Your attempt to create phantom enemies around the world who just happen to sit on a lot of old energy has also failed. America is going to start looking inward for enemies instead of outward. We are going to start solving problems instead of waiting for a “rapture” that will never come.
Long story short?
You lose.
Notice how BlueJay, always has to tell somebody else they lose.
That’s because he is a loser and knows it.
And what? We are going to sit and let China and other countries drill off our shores because a bunch of DemLibs think it will be hazardous to what…nothing. Mindless apathy to what is happening in the world is what it is.
Very well written, Jay!! Excellent!!
Why drill off shore?? We have 68+ Million Barrells under our own Land!!
Ooops my bad… 68+ Million Acres
China isnt even drilling anywhere near our shores… more fear mongering…
“America is going to start looking inward for enemies instead of outward”
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Great idea JR! Look inward for enemies. Genius.
Maybe we can find us some commies, or better yet some global warming deniers and put them on trial. Or some homos. Or maybe some black Obama folk. Or some of those Christians. You know, anyone who don’t agree with you and me.
Thanks Chas.
These clowns make it easy.
Take “Boxedin” for instance.
I don’t have to go very far to find a dozen posts where he claims victory from the intestines of defeat.
Dear Hank Price,
Actually, your denial of AGW is futile, and your posts prove it.
You posted lies at the top of the thread about Gore’s house.
You label scientists worldwide, who’ve done decades of careful, peer-reviewed science “left-wing”, because you don’t like the policies that would reduce GHG’s.
You cannot understand the obvious difference between “policies” and “science”.
You believe lies from people who do not have any credible climate science to support their lies, because their lies support your political ideology.
You cannot understand that a record El Nino in 1998 caused a short-term warming, and a La Nina and a solar minimum in 2007 caused a short-term cooling.
You cannot understand that human-added aerosols mask the AGW effect.
You cannot understand that the thermal inertia of the oceans delays the AGW effect.
You cannot understand that thawing permafrost may release large amounts of GHG’s, and increase the AGW effect.
You cannot understand what DavidB posted at 6:30 pm:
(President Bush) said that there was now a recognition that that richer countries needed to “transfer out of the hydrocarbon economy”
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Hank Price, you really should stick with the things that you’re able to understand… like ducks, dogs, and guns.
Excuse me, Cuba drilling in the Florida Straits.
One communist country confused with another, still stupid we watch them drilling and not us utilizing it. What do you suggest, we start buying it from Cuba?
Aww I’m just trying to chase folks like you back into your church outlander.
Use greater force against itself?
I DO want you out here with the giving and the sharing and the healing.
The judging and the condemning and the preaching we don’t need.
These are some of the best pic’s I’ve seen of the Iowa flooding. Also check out some of the idiot “bloggers” comments.
Although, these bloggers are far smarter than the DemLibs found here.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/mississippi_floodwaters_in_iow.html
“What do you suggest, we start buying it from Cuba?”
How about just drilling on the acres that are already under permits?
Unfortunately, we do have a whole bunch of strange minded folks, who still look at Timothy McVey and Terry Reynolds as heroes!! People who would take up arms against the government at the drop of a pin…
Those are the enemies from within we have to worry about… And then there are the American Taliban… So all fired interested in bringing about Armageddon, that they cant even see straight!!
Even worse, some of those strange folks arent all that far away from us here!!
THAT’S scary!!
Clark, I quite agree with you… :-)
How do I lose Jay? The libs don’t have the will to pass the legislation for cap and trade and they don’t have the will to do anything about our rising energy costs.
Are you paying attention to your libs in congress? They don’t have the will to do anything. Harry Reid is an idiot. Nancy Pelosi is even worse? With this leadership in Washington the US is like a man drowning in the shallow end of the pool. Thrashing around and screaming for help. A leader will come along and tell him to stand up before long.
The US has some of the biggest coal deposits in the world. We have the technology to burn it clean. We have enough shale oil deposits to last a life time. We have enough Uranium fuel to provide all our electrical needs for 200 years.
How long are we going to tolerate the do-nothing congress? How high will the gas prices have to get? How high do you think the heating oil will have to get?
We don’t have an energy problem. It is a political problem and sooner or later the greenies will lose.
I haven’t lost, but the US is losing.
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Boxlock
Posted June 21, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink
Now I’m going turn from personal self-gratification and leave this blog for dinner and getting things ready for guest the next few days.
So, as much as I know you decadent liberals will miss me, I must go. Hope you all have learned as much as DavidB, he’s coming along so nicely.”
All ready for your company there Boxy?
Hank, unless you changed countries, YOU are still part of the US… Thought I would remind you of that…
Ah cosmos, my little greenie fellow traveler. You forgot horses! I know quite a bit about horses!
You also forgot about China, India, Africa and Russia. They ain’t playing your game. Algore’s Oscar doesn’t seem to impress them!
Mercy — Boxy’s 6:38 pm post seems to have disppeared — evaporated into cyber space even… wonder what happened to it??
“Harry Reid is an idiot. Nancy Pelosi is even worse? ”
No argument there. Impeachment of bush should NEVER have been off the table.
But I note that your posts scream of pessimism.
“I haven’t lost, but the US is losing.”
A whole lot of people in the US have not a whole lot to lose. This is where you and I are separated.
You are afraid and you should be.
I’m not.
Because for me and mine, when things are at their worst? We don’t look up. We look around.
Anybody notice all of those phony posts, with the phony URL’s??? Did somebody hack the Blog?? Did they put viruses in those links to nowhere??? Hmmmm…. I hope somebody sends those to the Editors!!
Dear Hank Price,
I apologize.
I didn’t include that you don’t understand that CO2 is a long-lived GHG.
And you don’t understand that the U.S., with only about 5% of the world’s population is responsible for about 30% of Earth’s extra CO2.
And you don’t understand that China, AND India, AND Southeast Asia are responsible for only about 12% — and Russia about 14%.
BTW: China and India are beginning to push energy efficiency and renewables. They know it’s a cheaper, cleaner, etc, solution in the long-term.
“You also forgot about China, India, Africa and Russia. They ain’t playing your game. Algore’s Oscar doesn’t seem to impress them!”
That is because they are believing in the success of America’s….past.
They are only about 60 years late.
We know now that America is a castle in the air built on limited supplies from underground.
The nation’s you mention, they want their castle too.
Now we can help them build it. OR we can compete with them for the material for bricks and the bricks we already made.
And you cited populations. Good.
We have a choice.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Me? I’m for lead. I’ve never been much of a follower.
“BTW: China and India are beginning to push energy efficiency and renewables. They know it’s a cheaper, cleaner, etc, solution in the long-term.”
True that cosmos.
As is pointed out in Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth”, Chinese standards for miles per gallon exceed NOW US expectations for the distant future.
Witness the US auto industry.
Change or in a few years we will be buying Chinese cars.
Hank Price: “The US has some of the biggest coal deposits in the world. We have the technology to burn it clean.”
Total BS. CCS is at least a decade off, and long-term storage may be impossible. Coal costs, and coal transport costs are also rising.
Hank Price: “We have enough shale oil deposits to last a life time.”
Hank is old. And he hopes oil prices stay high, so we can produce the expensive shale oil.
Hank Price: “We have enough Uranium fuel to provide all our electrical needs for 200 years.”
Hank wants to pay very high utility bills, to pay for the very expensive new nuclear plants.
I prefer lower bills, with higher energy efficiency, renewables, DG, etc.
BlueJay posted June 21, 2008 at 11:26 pm
“Change or in a few years we will be buying Chinese cars.”
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Some Detroit dealers are getting so desperate, they’re offering a $2.99 a gallon gas price “guarantee”, for something like 2 years. Pathetic.
That’s reducible cosmos.
“We’ll carry you through the next few rounds if you will carry us!”
NO!
America is so at the top of the curve it is behind the curve. A victim of its own prosperity.
It is not the fault of the unions of employees who make the cars and trucks up in Michigan. They just make what is designed.
Those who design have gotten too good at making what is wanted instead of what is needed.
We have become a stagNation.
America needs to take back its role as the innovation nation.
“America needs to take back its role as the innovation nation.”
Perhaps we will or we will sink to the level of the USSR in the late Eighties – a superpower with nothing but military strength.
We are innovative – we have the capabilities – we have the desire and the brain power.
Now, we just need to throw off the old ways of thinking and embark on a new path to greatness.
This generation is not lacking – it does not need to take a backseat to the “greatest generation.”
We just need to seize the initiative and not take “no” for an answer.
For the last decade, America has allowed itself to fall to the level of the rest of the world – we are still the greatest nation on Earth – we need to find pride in that and move ahead.
On January 20, 2009, the beginning will begin.
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
WS posts;
“How about just drilling on the acres that are already under permits?”
WS, good question which deserves a good and honest answer.
We have a couple of quarters leased to exploration companies, one in Kansas, one in the Texas panhandle. The Kansas is simply not a known area for any production in spite of a number of wells tried, and the panhandle is an old oil field, much of the area was abandoned for lack of production volume. This is the case throughout much of the country under permit. Now production depends on horizontal drilling, water injection, etc. which are expensive methods and yield low production. It is only practical with the oil price so high. Much of the continental U.S. has already been used for the cheaper, easier production methods. Why not drill 200 miles offshore where no one would even be aware of a well. There is so small a risk and the rewards are much higher. If we don’t claim an area and start exploration you can believe someone else will and will be selling it to use for three prices in the future.
“And you don’t understand that the U.S., with only about 5% of the world’s population is responsible for about 30% of Earth’s extra CO2.
And you don’t understand that China, AND India, AND Southeast Asia are responsible for only about 12% — and Russia about 14%.
BTW: China and India are beginning to push energy efficiency and renewables. They know it’s a cheaper, cleaner, etc, solution in the long-term.”
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Cosmos! Get up to speed would you? China passed the US in 2006 and is the number one producer of greenhouse gases in the world. And they have plans for many many more coal fire plants. They nad India are going to be running away from us as the population begins to drive more and more automobiles.
They also have horrible pollution problems. So please don’t tell us the Chi-coms are environmentally enlightened. that sells even worse than your usual alarmism.
outlander,
Did you see in the paper this morning that there are 20 coal-fired plants under construction in 14 states and more than 100 in various stages of planning.
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/441937.html
“The proposed change, pending since last June, comes as the utility industry moves into its biggest building boom in coal-fueled power plants in decades. To meet growing electricity needs, more than 20 plants are under construction in 14 states and more than 100 are in various stages of planning.”
Ha, that should get the AGW hysterics shorts all bunched up. I hope none go up in flames themselves out of frustration and anger, emitting a bunch of CO2 themselves. I would miss their hysterical antics on the blog…well, maybe not.
I’m not necessarily a proponent of coal, but I am of affordable energy to run this country, and with petroleum sky high coal is a very abundant and workable solution. They just need to continue efforts to make it ‘clean’.
Wind is great, but that’s just what it is…wind, It comes and goes.
“Chi coms”
A “Rushism”
Let me explain to readers.
By using the phrase “chi coms”, outlander has shown us that he is a listener to and ditto head FOR drug addicted radio ranter and serial liar Rush Limbaugh.
Outlander’s credibility rating is falling.
Google Chicoms. You will see that JR is full of it.
As usual.
I have met “outlander” in person.
I took the occasion to ask him. “Why the choice of nic?” In other words, why is it he chooses to be known as “outlander”?
He told me it is to constantly remind himself that he is not of this world, but the next.
Yeah.
With all those coal-fired plants under construction it seems Texas and Colorado will have choices of where they get their needed power from. They won’t need Kansas to build plants for their needs.
They’ll get built…in time.
Heh. Just like gay marriage will be legal in all fifty states… in time…
“With all those coal-fired plants under construction it seems Texas and Colorado will have choices of where they get their needed power from. They won’t need Kansas to build plants for their needs.”
Good point Linda.
Listen to the CONs–all Gore-hate all the time, and he doesn’t even hold an elective office anymore.
Not hard to see why . . . anything to distract from their guy dry-humping the country daily in the oval office.
Worst. President. Ever.
Worst. President. Possible.
outlander posted June 22, 2008 at 7:50 am
“Cosmos! Get up to speed would you? China passed the US in 2006 and is the number one producer of greenhouse gases in the world.”
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outlander! Learn how to read, and/or think?
CO2 is a long-lived GHG, remaining in the atmosphere for a century, or longer.
The U.S. has been emitting much more CO2 than China, for a long time.
‘Contributions to Global Warming: Historic Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Fossil Fuel Combustion, 1900-1999 ‘
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/climate-atmosphere/map-488.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_plants_cancelled_in_2008
“Between 2000 and 2006, over 150 coal plant proposals were fielded by utilities in the United States. By the end of 2007, 10 of those proposed plants had been constructed, and an additional 25 plants were under construction.
During 2007 at least 59 coal plants were cancelled, abandoned, or put on hold.”
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A experimental CCS plantwas cancelled,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FutureGen
On Dec. 18, 2007, the FutureGen Alliance announced[1] their plans to build the experimental FutureGen coal-fired plant, which would attempt to capture and sequester CO2 emissions; the project would cost an estimated $1.8 billion, and is being billed as “the world’s first coal fueled, near zero-emissions power plant.”
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In January 2008, the U.S. Department of Energy indicated that it plans to pull its support from the plant in part because of ballooning costs.”
“Heh. Just like gay marriage will be legal in all fifty states… in time…”
What’s your satisfaction level knowing it won’t be in your lifetime?
Boxlock
Posted June 22, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink
They’ll get built…in time.
What’s your satisfaction level knowing it won’t be in your lifetime?
Don’t be so sure…the wicked witch of Topeka’s rein is almost over.
Remember, without her veto they would be on a definite time horizon now.
Good Riddance!
What an sourpuss you are!
Course your gonna be in the doghouse when your “wife” finds out about your fantasy with farmgirl.
Come on Bootlicker, be a man and show her what you’ve been posting!
Or maybe for you, honesty isn’t a Christian virtue.
KsNaive, the adolescent, get your mind out of the gutter and both hands back on the keyboard.
How old are you anyway…just discover that thing?
Told your wife yet Boxlicker?
Of course not you closet freak.
That’s OK Poodleboy.
I’ll show her tomorrow while you’re away at work.
What’s your satisfaction in knowing that every thing you believe in is just a memory from an old episode of the Donna Reed show there “boxed in”?
Your “voice” in this land grows shriller, but smaller.
Soon, no one will hear you at all!
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