Open thread 6/20

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  1. HLP
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    An older example of kids being brainwashed

    The Warmists have some nasty antecedents

    A chilling essay, written by a 10-year-old schoolboy praising the Nazis, is to be auctioned in Britain. The rare essay was written by German pupil Gunther Himpfel as a gift for Adolf Hitler on his 50th birthday in 1939.

    The 20-page booklet entitled ‘Der 50 Gerburtsag des Fuhrers’ which translates as ‘The Fiftieth Birthday of the Fuhrer’, was discovered at a flea market in Berlin and is now set to fetch 150 pounds at auction in Shropshire.

    The pupil received top marks for the essay in which he pays tribute to “greatest leader Germany have ever had” and says he hopes Hitler will live for many years to come. Experts say the booklet serves as a chilling reminder of how the Nazi propaganda machine even extended to vulnerable schoolchildren.

    Richard Westwood-Brookes, a historical documents expert at Mullocks auctioneers who will sell the booklet at Ludlow Racecourse next Wednesday, said: “You never cease to be amazed at depths the Nazi propaganda machine plunged in the years leading up to the outbreak of World War II. “Here you have a ten-year-old schoolboy who should be involving himself with childhood things, instead being used as a political pawn in the Nazis’ evil game.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/2157880/Schoolboy%27s-letter-to-Hitler-to-be-auctioned.html

  2. KansasNative
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
    – Friedrich Nietzsche

  3. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Two straws in your drink at a public restaurant while eating alone indicate never dying optimism or the ability to drink through your nose.

  4. Heckler
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Dark Clouds
    http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2008/06/dark-storm-clouds-gather-over-america.html

    snip

    Not only that, but some voices within academia, in addition to a few major columnists that publish in the mainstream media, have openly called for limitations on free speech. As a member of the Canadian Human Rights Commission in British Columbia said in the Mark Steyn trial, ‘Freedom of speech is an American concept and thus, I have no interest in it.’

    This was in Canada, true enough. But some Americans are echoing these sentiments by stating that perhaps our country is worse off because it allows freedom of speech, and thus, we would be much better off placing restrictions upon it, just as our Canadian and European neighbors are doing.

  5. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    A.. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

    B.. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

    C.. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

    D.. In three generations, there will be a lot fewer Democrats.

    WOW – I love it when a plan comes together.

  6. Political_mama
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Do you really think that will make any difference Box…come on.

    But hey if it gets you to vote for it, by all means.

  7. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Scott McCellan is testifying before Congress right now.

    I’ve got it on MSNBC

  8. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    J R sings…

    When the pie was opened the birds began to sing. Wasn’t that a dainty dish to set before the king?

  9. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    House Approves $162 Billion War Funding Bill

    Meanwhile the House has passed a $162 billion war-funding bill to keep funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill was approved by a vote of 268-155. As the House approved the war-funding bill, a protester in the visitor’s gallery began throwing red-stained dollars at lawmakers. Minority Leader Republican John Boehner said he was pleased with the vote.

    Rep. John Boehner: “A compromise is a compromise. I want to thank my Democrat colleagues for working with us to get to this point and I want to thank them for their commitment that this is the bill. This is the bill that will end up on the President’s desk.”

    Many Democrats criticized the bill for not setting any conditions on President Bush. This is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    Rep. Nancy Pelosi: “So, let us think and hope that this is the last time that there will ever be another dollar spent without constraints, without conditions, without direction. Why should we trust the same judgment that got us here in the first place in this war?”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/headlines

    I thought the Dems got elected to end the war. Why do they keep funding it with no strings attached?

  10. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Report: Israel Rehearses Bombing Iran

    The New York Times is reporting Israel recently carried out a major military exercise that U.S. officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighter planes took part in the maneuvers over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece. Helicopters and refueling tankers flew more than 900 miles, which is about the same distance between Israel and Iran”s uranium enrichment plant at Natanz. One Pentagon official said the Israeli test was meant to send a clear message that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from producing bomb-grade uranium faltered.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/headlines

  11. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Iran: U.S. Shouldn’t Be Lecturing Others About Nuclear Weapons

    Meanwhile Iran said Thursday it is ready to negotiate over a new package of economic incentives put forward by the major powers seeking to persuade Tehran to curb nuclear work. But Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the United States should stop lecturing Iran on its nuclear ambitions.

         Manouchehr Mottaki: “America is not in the position to be happy or      unhappy with our nuclear activities to produce energy for peaceful      purposes because America is the first country which used nuclear      weapons and killed more than 150,000 people in Japan. America is a      country which even now is testing the third, fourth or fifth generation of      the nuclear bomb, such a country is not in the position to instruct other      nations to have nuclear energy or not.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/headlines

    Our fingers in our pie, and nowhere else.

  12. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Gonzalez Ousted Torture Critic, Offered Him U.S. Attorney Job

    ABC News is reporting Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales ousted a top Justice Department attorney in 2005 for failing to adopt the administration’s position on torture and then promised him a position as a U.S. attorney to placate him. Attorney Daniel Levin was asked to leave the Department after he wrote a legal opinion that declared “torture is abhorrent” and limited the administration’s use of harsh interrogation techniques.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/headlines

  13. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    “But hey if it gets you to vote for it, by all means.”

    P_mama,
    I simply couldn’t bring myself to do it even it resulted in fewer Dems.
    Hope you are having a fine morning.

  14. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Environmentalist Sentenced to Six Years in Jail

    A judge in Washington state has sentenced a 32-year-old violin teacher and environmental activist to six years in prison for her role in an arson at the University of Washington’s Center for Urban Horticulture. Briana Waters was also ordered to pay six million dollars in restitution. Federal prosecutors accused her of being a terrorist and had sought a 10-year sentence.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/headlines

    Don’t fires produces carbon? Tsk tsk.

  15. lindainks55
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Randy Scholfield’s editorial in today’s paper is one of his best. It is worth everyone’s time to not just read it, but give it some thought.

    http://www.kansas.com/203/story/440211.html

  16. Pleefer
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Funny story from those Brits.

  17. lindainks55
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Pleefer, you know unless you indicate sarcasm some around here aren’t going to understand.

  18. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Phoenix Mars Lander Exposes Ice, Scientists Believe

  19. Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Heheheheheh!

    Now THIS is a fine way to start the morning. Seems a voter initiative plan to put a hate amendment forbidding gay marriage on the ballot in Maine has failed to get enough support to work.

    So.. the evangelical group sponsoring this hateful initiative has given it up because of… wait for it… LACK OF INTEREST!

    Hee hee hee hee.

    Maine. Let that sink in for a minute.

    Too bad Kansans have SO much interest in using their constitution for hateful purposes.

    Gotta love those yankees.

    http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?date=2008/06/19/4

  20. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Linda, for the link to Randy’s editorial. You must not have read Hank’s rebuttal on the subject. Hank says that the story is full of lies and has been rebutted. He did not provide any links or support for that argument. Hank doesn’t do links, though.

    So, I am confused as to who I should believe. Actually, I am not.

  21. Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    …and it wasnt just about gay marriage. It would have repealed virtually ALL laws preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation. Including protection from firing. (It is still legal in Kansas to fire someone for being gay.)

    The best part? For the link challenged, let me help.

    “”We’re pulling the plug,” Michael Heath, executive director of the Christian Civic League of Maine, said Thursday in Augusta. The group failed to attract the voter, volunteer and financial support it needed to continue its campaign, he said.

    The group collected only a third of the 15,000 voter signatures it had set as a goal for primary election day June 10, Heath said. Citing tags opponents had applied to initiative backers, he said potential volunteers “don’t want to be aligned with bigotry and homophobia and hatred.”

    hee hee hee heeeeeeeee….

    They couldnt get enough volunteers because peole dont want to be aligned with bigotry and homophobia and hatred.

    Unlike the blog bigots here, who REVEL in such tages….

  22. lindainks55
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    India inflation rate rises to 11%

    “The jump took many analysts by surprise. More interest rate rises are now expected.

    Unlike most countries, India calculates inflation on the wholesale price of a basket of 435 basic goods, which means actual prices paid by the consumer are much higher.

    Cooking gas prices have risen by 20% and diesel is up 21%.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7465029.stm

    With every economy going to hell in a hand basket I’m beginning to wonder how bushco will keep all the phony indicators needed within acceptable ranges so our recession won’t be official under after they leave Dodge.

  23. lindainks55
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Steven, I read both. It wasn’t difficult to see which was the rational, well written and well reasoned opinion.

  24. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    The truth about the ‘emergency spending bill’.

  25. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    AP: Edwards makes Obama’s VP list

  26. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Google launches new space race to the moon

  27. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Hank,
    At least the little Nazi wasn’t in school in Ohio, where a teacher went on an anti-Darwin rant and ended it by branding crosses on the arms of all the students. He just had to write an essay.

  28. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    This is absolutely jaw dropping; the truth about Alaskan oil…

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

  29. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Alaska alone holds enough oil and natural gas to supply America for 200 years. Energy independence.

  30. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Alaska’s Gull Island Oil Fields Could Power U.S. for 200 Years

    By Mark Anderson

    “Crude oil is the real ‘currency’ of the world,” said Lindsey Williams at a gathering of the Midwest Concerned Citizens group in Kansas City on July 22. But Americans will never hear about huge oil and gas reserves in the United States, which, if ever tapped, would bring today’s fuel prices at least as low as $1.50 per gallon and make America more energy independent.

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/gull_island_oil.html

  31. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Holy crap. Watch the video. Scary $hit. Get at LEAST 25 min. into it. You won’t believe what he has to say.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

  32. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Obama And McCain
    By Thomas Sowell

    June 5, 2008

    Now that the two parties have finally selected their presidential candidates, it is time for a sober — if not grim — assessment of where we are.

    Not since 1972 have we been presented with two such painfully inadequate candidates. When Election Day came that year, I could not bring myself to vote for either George McGovern or Richard Nixon. I stayed home.

    This year, none of us has that luxury. While all sorts of gushing is going on in the media, and posturing is going on in politics, the biggest national sponsor of terrorism in the world — Iran– is moving step by step toward building a nuclear bomb.

    The point when they get that bomb will be the point of no return. Iran ’s nuclear bomb will be the terrorists’ nuclear bomb — and they can make 9/11 look like child’s play.

    All the options that are on the table right now will be swept off the table forever. Our choices will be to give in to whatever the terrorists demand — however outrageous those demands might be — or to risk seeing American cities start disappearing in radioactive mushroom clouds.

    All the things we are preoccupied with today, from the price of gasoline to health care to global warming, will suddenly no longer matter.

    Just as the Nazis did not find it enough to simply kill people in their concentration camps, but had to humiliate and dehumanize them first, so we can expect terrorists with nuclear weapons to both humiliate us and force us to humiliate ourselves, before they finally start killing us.

    They have already telegraphed their punches with their sadistic beheadings of innocent civilians, and with the popularity of videotapes of those beheadings in the Middle East .

    They have already telegraphed their intention to dictate to us with such things as Osama bin Laden’s threats to target those places in America that did not vote the way he prescribed in the 2004 elections. He could not back up those threats then but he may be able to in a very few years.

    The terrorists have given us as clear a picture of what they are all about as Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did during the 1930s — and our ‘leaders’ and intelligentsia have ignored the warning signs as resolutely as the ‘leaders’ and intelligentsia of the 1930s downplayed the dangers of Hitler.

    We are much like people drifting down the Niagara River , oblivious to the waterfalls up ahead. Once we go over those falls, we cannot come back up again.

    What does this have to do with today’s presidential candidates? It has everything to do with them.

    One of these candidates will determine what we are going to do to stop Iran from going nuclear — or whether we are going to do anything other than talk, as Western leaders talked in the 1930s.

    There is one big difference between now and the 1930s. Although the West’s lack of military preparedness and its political irresolution led to three solid years of devastating losses to Nazi Germany and imperial Japan , nevertheless when all the West’s industrial and military forces were finally mobilized, the democracies were able to turn the tide and win decisively.

    But you cannot lose a nuclear war for three years and then come back. You cannot even sustain the will to resist for three years when you are first broken down morally by threats and then devastated by nuclear bombs.

    Our one window of opportunity to prevent this will occur within the term of whoever becomes President of the United States next January.

    At a time like this, we do not have the luxury of waiting for our ideal candidate or of indulging our emotions by voting for some third party candidate to show our displeasure — at the cost of putting someone in the White House who is not up to the job.

    Senator John McCain has been criticized in this column many times. But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America .

    On the contrary, he has paid a huge price for resisting our enemies, even when they held him prisoner and tortured him. The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.

    Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University , Stanford , CA 94305 . His Web site is http://www.tsowell.com.

  33. FilmFan
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Here’s a discomfitting story:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25272678/

    I don’t understand these young ladies. I, and many hundreds of other pregnant Kansas girls back in the 1970s, didn’t WANT to become pregnant. Most of us became pregnant because we were vulnerable, unassertive, and just plain ignorant of the facts. Facts about men and women, facts about sexuality, facts about rape, you name it. (In my case, I knew all about fertility, ovulation and the ripest time for egg-rupturing. December 28, 1974 was one of those days. I tried to tell my ex, but he wouldn’t hear of it.)

    “Hey, it’s only the chicks that don’t worry ’bout it who git thimselves pray-g-nunt,” he belched between Budweisers that evening. “You ain’t gonna get pray-g-nunt.”]

    Surprise, surprise, sur-frigging-prise. I did.

    I can’t understand these young girls forming a “pregnancy pact.” My god! Who in the hellola WANTS to be pregnant at that age? For most families who deal with this issue, it’s an extremely difficult, painful process – no matter what action is taken.

    Had my dead, drunken daddy been alive when I got knocked up, I’d be road pizza today. I’m completely deadpan (no pun intended) here; years before he died, he warned my late sister that “she better not come home” if she “got herself” pregnant. The booze-soaked demi-balle would have 1) killed me or 2) thrown me out. No two ways about it. Sorta like a Muslim father, now that I think about it.

    Yet he was “anti-abortion.” That makes a lot of f—ing sense, don’t it?

    Cain’t understand these girls. I’m so confused, I don’t know whether to scratch my watch or wind my bootie. Don’t know whether I’m sugar and spice and everything nice, or snips and snails and puppydogs’ tails.

    Something’s amiss somewhere, me thinks.

  34. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    “SolDevVB” rejoices –

    “Alaska alone holds enough oil and natural gas to supply America for 200 years. Energy independence.”

    Yeah, it could work out that way. Perhaps. Maybe. But not so much.

    The only-est way to run America on American oil is to nationalize the oil industry.

    Sure you wanna advocate that?

    Tell your CON friends, if you do.

    Any and all oil produced in the United States otherwise will merely contribute to the worldwide supply of a commodity.

    Look up the word “commodity.” Wheat is wheat, oil is oil, corn is corn. There’s no brand loyalty or product advantage. In the commodities market, stuff is stuff.

    So even if there were “enough oil to run America for 200 years,” there’s no way to assure all that oil would be used in America. Unless you want to nationalize the Oil Industry a la Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or the Saud family in Arabia or Pemex in Mexico.

    If you really want to:

    “Drill Here!
    Burn Here!
    Save Here”

    …even assuming that were possible with the resources America really has, the only way to achieve it is to require all American oil be used in America. And the only way to do that is to steal the largest petroleum-using economy away from multi-national corporations such as Exxon/Mobil, Shell Oil, British Petroleum, et al.

    Hey. Since gasoline in Mexico currently sells for $2.53 a gallon — since Pemex oil is not sold to the commodities market — the idea of nationalizing American oil production might not be all that bad an idea.

    I doubt, however, that the CONs will buy into that scenario.

  35. Political_mama
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I did attend my first Kansas Equality Coalition meeting last night.

    What a nice bunch of people, I never felt more at home with strangers in all my life and I’m not even gay.

    I seriously don’t understand why some people are so afraid of ‘the gays’.

  36. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap, y’all really need to watch this all the way through. It explains Iraq, Sadam, and why Bush and McCain have such a hard on against Iran.

    Do y’all know what deal Kissinger made in Saudi?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

  37. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, it could work out that way. Perhaps. Maybe. But not so much.

    Read the link. Watch the video. Which part of “Largest oil pool in North America, and possibly the world” is difficult to understand?

    The only-est way to run America on American oil is to nationalize the oil industry.

    That is a pretty idiotic statement. I’ll leave it at that.

    Watch the video. Unlike you Monkey, I am not echoing the rhetorical talking points of my party’s political pundants . There is a lot of information in the video that explains 90% of what is going on in the world today.

    I think you are far too shallow minded and entrenched in your party lines to listen and understand though.

    Prove me wrong. Dare you.

  38. Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Sol–

    Good posts. We agree on this: the same people that brought us Enron are bringing us the “oil crisis.”

    In this case, it might backfire on them though. GM is going balls-out (see the latest Atlantic Monthly) on a plug-in electric car, and this time (as opposed to the EV-1 which they hoped would fail), they’re serious about it.

  39. Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    You have a good grasp of the problem, Sol. But what is your “libertarian” solution?

    More “free enterprise”? Free enterprise when Big Oil has monopolized the system?

    Looks to me like the only thing big enough to take on Big Oil is Big Government. I don’t love Big Government, but what else is there big enough to do the job?

    And I’d rather have elected officials deciding policy than corporate CEO who answer to no one, not even the shareholders really.

  40. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    In the video, Williams states that the oil pool was ‘classified’. By whom? It sounds like you think Big Oil classified it. My first assumption was that the government classified it.

    My worry; the price of oil affects every aspect of almost every human on the face of the earth. Pressure and pain mount every time the price per barrel rises. At some point, we are going to say ‘Anything. Do anything you want just take away this pain.’ That is what terrifies me.

  41. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Good article Capn. Here is a link for everyone else to it.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/general-motors

  42. SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Capn & Monkey,

    Watch the video. It goes far beyond the oil companies. Far beyond.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

  43. Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m on dial up right now, Sol, but I’ll watch it when I can.

    You make a good point, Big Oil and Big Gov’t are colluding probably more than they’re colliding on this issue.

  44. Posted June 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    SOL — Hoooray for your Video link!! I posted that information, after hearing Lindsey Williams on a Talk Radio show a few weeks back!! I was attacked profusely here, but now, since YOU posted it, perhaps it will not be attacked!! It IS, in fact, enough to make your jaw drop when you hear this man tell about the cover-ups to oil discoveries in Alaska!!

    SPOT ON, SOLLIE!!! WTG!!!

  45. Posted June 20, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    1 pm . . . gotta fly for now . . .

  46. annie_moose
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Ouch dow jones industrial index off 180 points. Wall street I feel your pain. Home foreclosures at depression era levels and the government has just about socialized the mortgage business.
    What happen to the unregulated free markets? The ownership society was supposed to be the ultimate solution to all our problems ehh maybe not.

  47. ksagnostic
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “An older example of kids being brainwashed

    “The Warmists have some nasty antecedents”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law

    By the way, the comparison here, entirely inappropriate.

  48. Posted June 20, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Thanks KsAgn…. You beat me to that one!!

  49. Posted June 20, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Too bad GM abandoned the EV-1. They could be ahead of the curve instead of so far behind it.

    “Still, he hesitated. GM had called him because of his deep experience with battery-driven electric cars. In the 1990s, he had worked »

    on GM’s EV1, an all-electric technological masterpiece that had done so poorly commercially that GM wound up crushing the cars amid a hail of public condemnation. Farah had been fiercely committed to the EV1, and he was not about to relive the disappointment.

    “Hell, no,” he said. “I’ve been on programs like this before. They’re not real.” “

  50. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    “I seriously don’t understand why some people are so afraid of ‘the gays’.”

    That’s not the point. The point is gays don’t have the right to redefine marriage which as been established for thousands of years as man and woman.
    They don’t have the right to force their redefinition of the term down everyone’s throats, no pun intended.
    And society can grant marriage benefits according to how it chooses, based on the benefits society perceives it receives. Homosexual unions may offer something of benefit to the individuals, big if, but it doesn’t to society…so, no benefits.

  51. HLP
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    “I seriously don’t understand why some people are so afraid of ‘the gays’.”

    LOL!!

    I seriously don’t understand where the libs get the idea that anyone with a different point of view is ‘afraid’!

    I’m not afraid of gays, I don’t hate gays, I just don’t understand them.

  52. HLP
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Hey Boxlock!

    Our posts crossed. I’m at work and it takes me an hour sometimes from the stat of a post until I get around to finishing it.

    I used to be a homophobe, do you know what they want to do to you? Talk about scarey.

  53. Phantom
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    What tickles me about the bushie repubs. is that they are repulsed by soddomy and sadism, unless it’s one of their boys throwing a flag over a pow’s face and doing them for ‘Old Glory’!

  54. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    “The point is gays don’t have the right to redefine marriage which as been established for thousands of years as man and woman.”

    Sure they do. They are part of society too.

    I am one of the younger posters to this forum. During the short span of my life, gay people have made enormous strides at overcoming persecution and prejudice. A lot of the people who used to physically assault gay people are now entering their aged years. The best they can swing is a cane or a walker!

    Their rhetoric is similarly feeble.

    J R sings….Free your mind and rest will follow…

  55. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank — I dont understand why there are some people, who have lived in the technological world, and worked around technological equipment, and tools, etc., can believe that the light from stars Thousands of light years distant, hs managed to get to Earth in just 8,000 – 10,000 years…. I just dont understand how that is possible!!!

  56. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank — I dont understand why there are some people, who have lived in the technological world, and worked around technological equipment, and tools, etc., can believe that the light from stars Thousands of light years distant, hs managed to get to Earth in just 8,000 – 10,000 years…. I just dont understand how that is possible!!!

  57. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank — I dont understand why there are some people, who have lived in the technological world, and worked around technological equipment, and tools, etc., can believe that the light from stars Thousands of light years distant, hs managed to get to Earth in just 8,000 – 10,000 years…. I just dont understand how that is possible!!!

  58. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank — I dont understand why there are some people, who have lived in the technological world, and worked around technological equipment, and tools, etc., can believe that the light from stars Thousands of light years distant, hs managed to get to Earth in just 8,000 – 10,000 years…. I just dont understand how that is possible!!!

  59. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank — I dont understand why there are some people, who have lived in the technological world, and worked around technological equipment, and tools, etc., can believe that the light from stars Thousands of light years distant, hs managed to get to Earth in just 8,000 – 10,000 years…. I just dont understand how that is possible!!!

    BUT — I ALSO DONT WANT TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO GET MARRIED!!!

  60. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Examples of things that were once “shoving down the throat” fare…

    Prayer in schools. Regimented recitation of the “Pledge of Allegiance”. Separate restrooms for black and white people.

    Gay marriage isn’t “shoved down” anyones throat. No one will be COMPELLED to attend a gay wedding!(People who have a problem with are probably lousy social company anyway). Any “in your face” that comes out of it will only be the ongoing struggle against lingering bigotry.

    In time, that bigotry will die. For the bigots will all be themselves dead.

    J R sings…..How ya gonna stop a speeding train before it reaches its destination?

  61. Posted June 20, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    WOW — SORRY BOUT THAT LONG LIST!!!

    I just hit it once!!

  62. Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    WOW —- Sorry bout that milti-post!! It took about 3 minutes to show up after I clicked on the post button!! And only the last one got it all on the screen!! Strange Blog Bots!!

  63. HLP
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Good afternoon Chas.,

    I’ve learned over the last few months from reading your various posts that there is a lot you don’t understand.

    Here’s a clue for you,

    Faith doesn’t equal stupid.

  64. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    “HLP” proclaims –

    “Faith doesn’t equal stupid.”

    Nope.

    At least there’s an excuse for stupid.

  65. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Brother Chas,

    Multiple postings won’t happen if you click on the “Post Comment” button just ONCE.

    Patience is a virtue, try it sometimes.

  66. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Is this what the fundamentalists want taught in public schools?

    “Teacher burned cross on students’ arms”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25284886/

    “MOUNT VERNON, Ohio – A public school teacher preached his Christian beliefs despite complaints by other teachers and administrators and used a device to burn the image of a cross on students’ arms, according to a report by independent investigators.”

    If he had done this to one of my kids, he would have had to visit his proctologist to get his head examined.

  67. lindainks55
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    For your late afternoon reading. In our effort to keep well informed on diverse topics.

    Sheep shortage hits Giant’s look

    A shortage of sheep has led to a famous landmark in Dorset disappearing under vegetation and moss.

    The 180ft (54.8m) famous fertility symbol Cerne Abbas Giant was also left struggling under plant life encouraged by a wet start to the summer.

    The first record of the giant, also referred to as the Rude Man, dates back to 1694 and he is now a Scheduled Ancient Monument.

    Many believe the figure is a symbol of ancient spirituality and fertility and he has been used to advertise products as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles.

    During WWII, the giant was disguised to prevent the Germans using him as an aerial landmark.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/7465329.stm

    Note: there is a good overhead picture of the giant at the click.

  68. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Clark, the inventor of the generator should have never used the plus sign “+” as a guidance marker. Must have been one of those flaming Christian inventors!

    Remember class, there will be no addition in math class today as the plus sign can no longer be tolerated.

  69. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    “Must have been one of those flaming Christian inventors!”

    Apparently, you must be okay with burning crosses on the arms of schoolchildren, McCluer.

    And you folks have the gall to complain about “Muslim” schools?

    What is the difference?

  70. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Not my fault Clark, you Libs have staurophobia.

    Perhaps you can get a group discount for psychological help?

  71. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    “Not my fault Clark, you Libs have staurophobia.”

    As I said, you are okay with branding a crucifix on the arms of schoolchildren, McCluer.

    What else do you want to brand – elephants? An image of Reagan? Great quote from GWB?

    That last one would be a very small tattoo.

    So branding is okay with you?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………..

  72. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Not my fault Clark, you Libs have staurophobia

    Seek help Clark, your case is worse than thought.

  73. Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    heh Clark, didnt shrub say he’d branded fraternity pledges with a heated coat hanger?

    They do love their dear leader!

  74. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    “Seek help Clark, your case is worse than thought.”

    Huh? Talking out your hindmost orifice again, McCluer?

  75. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Apparently the company that was contracted to test the quality of the concrete at Yankee Stadium and the Freedom Tower failed to so some tests and falsified others.
    This, of course is to prevent terrorists from attacking us by providing our own disasters first. Good thinking, capitalists!

  76. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    O.K. Kids Day Saturday, June 28

    Date: June 20, 2008
    Contact: Rod Dix, Watson Park Manager, 529-9940
    E-mail: rdix@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 529-9940

    Free activities for children ages 5 to 12

    Youth can receive free instruction regarding fishing, archery, and water safety as well as play miniature golf, volleyball, soccer kick, moon walks, and train rides from 9 a.m. to noon on Saturday, June 28, during “O.K. Kids Day” at Watson Park, 3022 S. McLean Boulevard.

    The City of Wichita’s Park & Recreation Department is hosting the event for children 5 to 12 years old. The fishing clinics will be a highlight; fishing poles and bait are provided for those interested in the clinics, so participants should arrive early to register. Registration is also required to assemble a sailboat, provided by Home Depot. A limited number of free T-shirts and hot dogs are also available.

    At 11:45 a.m., children can participate in a prize drawing. Starting at noon, Watson Park will have train rides, pony rides, miniature golf, pedal boats and concessions for small fees.

    Event sponsors include Bass Pro Shops, Duckwall-Alco Stores Inc., State Farm Insurance, Gildan, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Capital Federal Savings, Jumping Jungle, Farmland Foods Inc., and Kansas T’s. The O.K. Kids Program was developed and is operated by the Kansas Wildscape Foundation. For more information on this event, please call Watson Park at 529-9940.

  77. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Hank,
    “I’m not afraid of gays, I don’t hate gays, I just don’t understand them.”

    And why haven’t you tried? It’s not all that hard, gays are people after all. Go find a few and just listen, it’s that easy. Some of them are even republicans!

  78. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    “Some of them are even republicans!”
    Whoa…..not very darn many!!!

  79. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Older story…still relevant.

    Catching Wild Pigs A chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist government. In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, ‘Do you know how to catch wild pigs?’ The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. ‘You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

    The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms — just a little at a time.

    One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government ‘help’ is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut! In this ‘very important’ election year, listen closely to what the candidates are promising you. Just maybe you will be able to tell who is about to slam the gate on America.

    ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.’ – Thomas Jefferson

  80. Phantom
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t bush promise to punish anyone responsible for the plame outing? Then why did he have McClellan try and shield Libby and rove?
    Is bush really this far out of the loop?
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush did not know about a White House effort to leak the identity of a CIA agent but tried to protect staffers who were involved in one of the biggest scandals of his administration, former Bush spokesman Scott McClellan told Congress on Friday.

    ADVERTISEMENT

    McClellan said he did not think Bush was involved in a 2003 effort to blow the cover of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, whose husband had accused the administration of twisting intelligence to justify the Iraq war.

    But Bush, through his chief of staff, ordered McClellan to tell reporters that White House staffers Karl Rove and Lewis “Scooter” Libby were not behind the leak, even though they both turned out to be involved, McClellan told the House Judiciary Committee.

    Vice President Dick Cheney’s involvement in the leak might have been greater, McClellan said.

  81. KansasNative
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    “HLP” proclaims –

    “Faith doesn’t equal stupid.”

    BLIND faith = stupid.

  82. Nano
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    “I’m not afraid of gays, I don’t hate gays, I just don’t understand them.”

    Well, some of the big, butchy ones can be a little intimidating, lol. And not much to worry about from the sissies.

    I about half teasing. I don’t much care for gays but I don’t have anything against them as long as they leave me alone. I don’t want to see them hurt for being gay. I just get tired of hearing them go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

    Hopefully someday there’ll be a cure.

  83. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Boxic,
    Did that story come from the same fantasy the old frog in the pan fiction did?

  84. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    “Hopefully someday there’ll be a cure.”

    For what – bigotry?

  85. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Nan.
    Not to worry, just open your mouth and even the big ones will leave you alone.
    Actually we’re all hoping for a cure for assholes like you!

  86. Nano
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    “For what – bigotry?”

    no, for stupidity. You’ll probably have to wait in line.

  87. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Boxic,
    ““Some of them are even republicans!”
    Whoa…..not very darn many!!!”

    Google “Log Cabin Republicans.”

  88. Nano
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Jed, you’re like some cranky old woman. You’re about as much fun as dental surgery.

    Notice how I don’t curse to make my point?

  89. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    “no, for stupidity.”

    Jeez, Nano, are you related to the Fleet Idiot? Does he know that you are trying to steal his plaque?

  90. Boxlock
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “Google “Log Cabin Republicans.””

    Yeah, like I said not very many, but those are the best at least.

  91. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    “Yeah, like I said not very many, but those are the best at least.”

    So you support gay Republicans, eh, Box Head?

    You are coming around – now just pretend that all gays are members of the GOP and that will be a start.

  92. Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    I see that Clark is on his usual rant calling everyone on the board names and generally being the blog ass hole.

  93. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Asshole is one word, McCluer. You should know that since it is your middle name.

  94. LR2
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that Regular with no children would call our attention to “Kids Day” —- this is the same guy that laughs at kiddie porn — makes ya wonder ……………

  95. Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
    Good afternoon Chas.,

    I’ve learned over the last few months from reading your various posts that there is a lot you don’t understand.

    Here’s a clue for you,

    Faith doesn’t equal stupid.
    =======================================

    You might gain a little on that stupid part, if you actually tried answering what I posted, instead of lashing back with another one of your “stupid” and “arrogant” ad hominems… :roll:

  96. Nano
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    I see that Clark is on his usual rant calling everyone on the board names and generally being the blog ass hole.

    You got that right, Regular! Who is this guy? the blog bully?

    Nasty venomous hate spewing little fellow, isn’t he? What is it with the Libs on this blog?

  97. Posted June 20, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    “Faith doesn’t equal stupid.”

    There’s ignorance, knowledge and faith. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Knowledge is the lack of ignorance. Faith is having knowledge but choosing to be ignorant. I’d call that being stupid.

  98. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Here’s the “antecedent” for the AGW deniers like Hank price and the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’.

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum

    And a portrait of an typical AGW denier,
    http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/images/blog-full-3009.jpg

  99. outlander
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    “There’s ignorance, knowledge and faith. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Knowledge is the lack of ignorance. Faith is having knowledge but choosing to be ignorant. I’d call that being stupid.”

    —————

    Do you know what the opposite of faith is, Maggie? Fear. Faith and fear cannot co-exist. Where faith abounds, there can be no fear. And vice versa.

    Faith Maggie, is the most powerful force in the universe. Through faith, you can accomplish things that you never could have thought relying on your own abilities. With faith, you can be healed. I know, because it happened to me.

    True stupidity Maggie, is limiting oneself to our own abilities. Like cutting grass with scissors when there is a John Deere rider, gassed up and ready to go, out in the shed.

  100. Nano
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    I see that the “Hate the Christians” crew has shown up. Man, I feel sorry for you.

    Biggots.

  101. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh I disagree outlander.

    Faith, at least a large branch of the Christian faith, is based in fear.

    YOUR God isn’t even content to leave folks alone. It’s “believe in me OR ELSE!” and “If you DO believe in me, you are forgiven no matter what you do.”

    I find your God to be nothing more than a less giving and considerably meaner version of Santa Clause.

  102. Phantom
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Like I’ve asserted in the past, the Air Force gave away the farm in trying to keep Airbus in the race!
    “The Air Force planned to buy 179 refueling tankers based on the A330 built by Airbus, Boeing’s passenger plane-maker rival, valued at $35 billion over 15 years. This was to be the first of three phases for acquiring a new tanker fleet potentially costing $100 billion or more.

    Wynne, on his last day in office, said the Air Force in effect had leaned over backward to maintain competition after an abortive sole-source plan to lease and then buy modified Boeing 767s as tankers.

  103. Phantom
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    It was a little sickening to see Roberts and brownback swoop in at boeing to bask in the decision of the GAO, which they had next to nothing to do with. They had more to do with getting airbus into a superior position by supporting the McCain Ammendment a few yrs. ago, than they did with getting the award overturned.

  104. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    I wonder at what point the “or else” was invented?

    I don’t think the Jews have hell. I am not sure as to Islam.

    I can see how it works as a marketing strategy though.

    Way back there somewhere, some functionary came to some religious guru and told him, “Boss? We have a problem”

    “What is it my son”?

    “Well, some people are ok with living their life and they die and then that’s it. They don’t believe in heaven.”

    “They don’t want to go to everlasting paradise and see all their dead relatives and live forever and ever?”

    “Like I’m telling you, they are not buying it.”

    “Hmmmm.”

    “Ok how about this? If they DON’T believe, they don’t get to just die. They go to everlasting pain and punishment.”

    “Hmm, sell the fear angle? I’m on it!”

    “Bless you my son.”

  105. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    “Faith” is just an unquestioning belief. And that’s basically just an unquestioning “hope”.

    I prefer to “believe” in hard work, preparation, facts, scientific methodology, reality, etc..

    outlander posted June 19, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    OK cosmos. So you don’t agree that moderating temperatures are moderating temperatures. Instead they are just “noise” temporarily masking the continued climbing temperatures.

    Well, you can only hope I guess.
    —————–

    Actually outlander, you are the one who can only “hope”… and deny.

    You can “hope” that humans causing CO2 levels to be higher than they’ve been for 800,000 years wont cause a warming of Earth.

    You can “hope” the same for higher levels of CH4 and N2O.

    You can “hope” the same for human-generated CFC’s, SF6, etc.

    You can deny that La Nina and a solar minimum in 2007 caused short-term cooling.

    You can deny that a record El Nino in 1998 caused short-term warming.

    You can deny the short-term cooling caused by Mt. Pinatubo, and other volcanic eruptions.

    You can deny the masking (cooling) effect of human-added aerosols, such as sulfates.

    You can deny the delay caused by the thermal inertia of the oceans.

    But outlander… all of your “hopes”, and all of your denials do not change reality.

  106. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh man I am late hearing about this.

    This is bigger than politics. This is bigger than religion.

    NASA’s Pheonix lander has positively confirmed the existence of ice on the planet Mars!

  107. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    The spacecraft finds evidence from orbit…

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/28may_marsice.htm

  108. outlander
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Now if they would confirm the presence of Cutty Sark to go with it JR, might be worth going back for!

    ————–

    Cosmos, you are such a one trick pony.

  109. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Links are all to busy.

    The lander has proved ice too. White chunks dug up by the lander’s excavation tool have disappeared from earlier photos.

    If there is and was water, there may have been or be life.

    This would shake the very foundations of religion and science. NASA’s budget should be increased 20 fold to investigate.

  110. BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Afraid of what we might find outlander?

    Does the fundamentalist Christian church have a contingency plan for the discovery of life on a world other than Earth?

    I’ll make you a prediction right now.

    Mars was warmer and wetter in the past. The water has endured.

    Like the quote in “Jurassic Park”, “Life finds a way”.

    I predict that there is microbial life on Mars.

  111. Jack
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    #
    SolDevVB
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    This is absolutely jaw dropping; the truth about Alaskan oil…

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

    Yes and we would have it now had it not been for BJ Clintons veto. what a worthless POS

  112. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    outlander posted June 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Cosmos, you are such a one trick pony.
    ———–

    A very lame ad hominem is the best that outlander’s “faith” can provide him? That’s pathetic.

    Maybe outlander’s thoughts are silenced by “fear”?

  113. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    The absolutely jaw dropping truth about Alaskan oil…

    http://old.rmi.org/sitepages/pid171.php

    ‘Fool’s Gold in Alaska—annotated, Foreign Affairs (PDF-980k)’

  114. Political_mama
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    I found no article that you’re linking to Cosmos.

  115. Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    PMama —

    Try this one —

    http://old.rmi.org/sitepages/pid171.php#E01-04

  116. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    It’s about 1/2 way down the page at my 10:53 pm link,

    http://old.rmi.org/images/other/Energy/E01-04_FoolsGoldAnnot.pdf

  117. WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    “Nasty venomous hate spewing little fellow, isn’t he?”

    Actually, I am a rather large fellow, Nano, about 5′10″ and 195 pounds.

    And all the venomous hate I spew is directed towards idiots like you and McLiar.

    And I am nasty, thank you very much.

    Dimwit.

  118. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Okay…

    what huge, impossible increase in U.S. light vehicle fleet mpg would be required to save over 3 BILLION barrels of oil during the next 30 years? (please excuse the sarcasm)

    0.4 mpg. That’s 4/10ths mpg. Less than 1/2 mpg.

    That’s just keeping tires properly inflated, which also makes the tires last longer.

    OR just driving a little slower. OR just driving a little less agressively.

    And there are easy improvements in all the other vehicles, reduction of home heating oil use, etc…

  119. Jed
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Nan,
    “Jed, you’re like some cranky old woman. You’re about as much fun as dental surgery.”

    Good! Maybe that’ll encourage you to keep your mouth shut and your bigotry to yourself.

  120. Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Most interesting, Cosmos… My car is a 3-cyl. 5-speed… I save a lot on fuel… but, could do even more with those cut backs you refer to… Thanks!!

  121. Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay says >>>

    “The lander has proved ice too. White chunks dug up by the lander’s excavation tool have disappeared from earlier photos.”

    I heard about that, Jay… However, if the lander disappears, then we got real problems!! LOL I do hope they find some kind of life there… Just the kind of discovery I have been hoping for since I was a kid!!

  122. Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    For more Mars lander news, check out:

    http://www.enterprisemission.com

  123. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Senator McC*nt Demands his Photo-Op!

    An aide to Iowa’s governor said Thursday that Republican presidential candidate John McCain ignored the governor’s request to cancel a campaign visit amid a massive flood recovery effort in the state.

    McCain toured flood-damaged sites in Iowa on Thursday, including the town of Columbus Junction in the southeast. [...]

    Patrick Dillon, Gov. Chet Culver’s chief of staff, said the governor was concerned that McCain’s trip would divert local law enforcement from the flood recovery effort to provide security for McCain.

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama canceled a scheduled visit to eastern Iowa last week at the request of state officials.

    You kids! Stop swimming on my lawn!

  124. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Now comes news that Senator Clinton will campaign for Senator Obama.

    In order to make back the money she lost fighting him.

    Sheesh I get now why so many don’t even bother to vote. What’s the point?

    Unless I see an election result that is close?

    I’m sitting this one out. I’m not part of the process. I just am unfortunate to live here.

  125. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Yeah, “BlueJay” –

    It’s as if all Kansans are drop-outs from the Electoral College. And a few Republic Party hacks got athletic scholarships.

  126. Posted June 21, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Smile, Jay — could be worse… we could be in Idaho!! LOL

  127. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    “Chas” –

    Yeah.

    Idaho.

    Where the Nazis are the liberals.

  128. Posted June 21, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Could be M-H — but watch out for Godwin’s Law… :-)

  129. Posted June 21, 2008 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    Long day —-

    Good night; Good luck; God bless –
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    Blessings on bringing our Troops home NOW!!!

  130. Nano
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    WSClark
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    “Nasty venomous hate spewing little fellow, isn’t he?”

    Actually, I am a rather large fellow, Nano, about 5?10? and 195 pounds.

    Then you’re out of your league, little man. Obviously the big thing about you is your mouth.

  131. WSClark
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    “Then you’re out of your league, little man.”

    Tsk, tsk, Nano, cranky this early in the morning – better go back to bed and try to get out on the right side this time.

  132. outlander
    Posted June 21, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Afraid of what we might find outlander?

    Does the fundamentalist Christian church have a contingency plan for the discovery of life on a world other than Earth?

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    Now JR, you could not find a bigger fan of sci-fi and space exploration than I am. Why would you think that discovery of life on other planets would be of any concern to Christians?

    Oh I see… just ignorant hope. Sorry to disappoint you.

    All is not lost though. Hope is a positive emotion JR. I recommend you cultivate it.

    Support NASA!

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