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I really hope that we’ll have a thread tonight on the election.

And to Ted Kennedy who is about to undergo surgery, lets all wish him well.

Blessings All!!

Blessings to Ted Kennedy and Family.

Isn’t South Dakota tonight?

I agree that a measure of civility and intelligence should be maintained here. But for heaven’s sake – what IS it about some issues that just elicits the worst from so many of us? To wit:

Last week, I was bored and decided to remedy this malady. (A wise priest once told me that “hell is a place of eternal boredom.” I agree.) I googled the name of a certain pro-life zealot with whom I briefly communicated several years ago. I shall call this erudite, songful soul “James.” (not his real name, natch)

Take away the anti-abortion vitriol, and you will invariably find an amiable, humble, gentlemanly, song-writin’ and serenadin’ individual with many friends and fellow musicians in the good ol’ South.

Return the anti-abortion tirades to its (self)-righteous dominion, and you’ve got a sputtering, all-knowing, arrogant despot. Whether rape victim or profligate manizer, Sweet Baby “James” has a scathing admonition (or a treacley CD) for you if you’ve had an abortion. Even if you weren’t asking for this learned wisdom.

But by goodness – even a cursory look at his new web page proves that the dude ain’t ugly by a long shot. In fact, he resembles one of the actors in the old TV series “My Three Sons.” (One of the sons – not William Demarest, who played Uncle Charley)

And the guitar-strumming wunderkind’s got a lot of beautiful women friends on his site, too. In one of my more charitable moods, I found myself fervently wishin’ and hopin’ that one of these scripture-lovin’ Salomes would march him off into the sunset and/or recording studio – and make his dreams come true.

Maybe that would take the edge off that ugly, odiferous anti-abortion fervor that repelled so many. Including myself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-goldberg/what-me-worry-the-chris_b_33923.html

A blast from the past

From 2006 snip

Before I go on, I should emphasize that my problem is not with evangelical Christianity per se. In fact, I use the phrase Christian nationalism precisely to differentiate between the religion and the right-wing political program that professes to act on its behalf. (The New Testament, after all, is silent on the way the United States should be governed). Christian nationalism, as I define it, is a movement that insists that America was founded as a Christian nation, that separation of church and state is, as pastor Rick Scarborough puts it, “a lie introduced by Satan and fostered by the courts,” and that the institutions of American life need to be re-Christianized so that the nation can regain its former glory. If the movement had its way, non-Christians could continue to practice their faiths, but they would have to know their place. (Already, thanks to the infusion of taxpayer money into religious organizations via the faith-based initiative, non-Christians are ineligible for certain government-funded social service jobs.)

“The Christian nationalist movement does not represent a majority of Americans — it does not even represent a majority of all evangelicals — but it does represent a significant and highly mobilized minority,” I wrote in Kingdom Coming. A little later, I continued, “If Christian nationalists don’t predominate in the population, they do dominate the Republican party, for reasons that have more to do with their organization than their numbers…In 2004, the Christian Coalition gave 42 out of 100 senators ratings of 100 percent, meaning they took the group’s position on every significant issue.” And that was before the 2004 election gave us lawmakers like Tom “death penalty for abortionists” Coburn.

Of course, these last few days have been distinctly unhappy ones for the Christian nationalists, and I certainly feel far more optimistic than I did a year ago. When I finished Kingdom Coming, Ted Haggard was still a leading spokesman for the sanctity of heterosexual marriage, critics of Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitism were being dismissed as paranoid Christophobes, Ralph Reed was better known for his association with the Christian Coalition than with Indian casinos and Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay was ruling the House and the Senate was being led by a man who purported to diagnose Terri Schiavo via cable TV. On Tuesday, some of the movement’s Congressional stalwarts fell, including Rick Santorum and John Hostettler. Ohio gubernatorial candidate Ken Blackwell, one of the politicians most closely associated with Christian nationalism, was annihilated. Most heartening of all were the ballot initiative victories — abortion in South Dakota, gay marriage in Arizona, stem cells in Missouri — that both rejected fundamentalism and helped neutralize right-wing demagoguery about activist judges.

But here’s one of the great ironies about this election. Even as the Christian nationalists were defeated in the GOP, the GOP was left more dependent on them than ever. Contrary to some initial reports, there was no significant shift among white evangelicals to the Democrats. A CNN poll found that 70 percent of white evangelicals voted Republican in the last election, compared to between 74 and 78 percent in the 2004 presidential race. This is a decline, sure, but it’s not a realignment. Polls also showed that evangelicals made up about the same percentage of the electorate that they did two years ago. The base turned out for the Republicans, but independents turned away.

Meanwhile, although some prominent Christian nationalists were tossed out, the more significant defeats were among moderate Republicans from the Northeast, where they lost nearly a third of their House seats, and Midwest, where they lost 15 percent. As Sydney Blumenthal wrote in The Guardian, “After the mid-term elections, the GOP has become a regional party of the South. And, in the future, Republicans can only hold their base by asserting their conservatism, which alienates the rest of the country. More than ever, the Republicans are dependent upon white evangelical voters in the South and sparsely populated Rocky Mountain states. The Republican coalition, its much-touted ‘big tent,’ has nearly collapsed.”

Filmfan, I do not totally fault the Pro-lifers they believe that the point need to be driven home that it is a human life. I admit that even though I am begrudgingly pro-choice, abortion though it a symptom and not the disease.

“I admit that even though I am begrudgingly pro-choice, abortion though it a symptom and not the disease.”

A symptom of ultimate self centeredness and self-importance over all others, including another’s very life.
(not referring to medical abortion to save the life of the mother of course)

Writerdog:

It is a human life. I am not disdaining that point. And it is a rather powerful point, for that matter. Moreover, abortion is grave matter, in my opinion. But I cannot adopt the stance that all abortions should be criminalized. I have tried to adopt that stance, and the agony of conscience that ensued cannot be articulated.

I do not criticize Sweet Baby “James’s” moral beliefs. I was revolted by the manner in which he frequently expressed them. Moreover, the cloying, condescending CD he sent me was toe-curling. I’m sure he didn’t intend this, but the point is undeniable: I am no fool. Having any sort of relationship – platonic or otherwise – with someone who considers you a murderer but is not a “murderer” themselves is fraught.

And I’m having none of it.

I guess that means I’m all growed up.
But I certainly agree with you that we should work toward avoiding abortion.

And, as I said earlier, I’ll be gosh-diggedy-darned if I don’t wish joy for “James.” He’d have me incarcerated and learning the joy of prison sex if he had his way. But I’m not reciprocating this fine morning.

Yeah outlander, I noticed the methodology as well.

It’s kind of like the old drunken cowboy apology, “I apologize you son of a btich.”

The cowboy still wants to rope, tie and brand when all he has to do is just say the words.

If that’s name-calling, I’m the Easter Bunny.

Easter Bunny: I just think it is amusing that while Monkeyhawk makes a call for civility, he can’t resist hurling a few insults while doing so. .

Predestined
Posted June 2, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
Yeah outlander, I noticed the methodology as well.

At least Monkeyhawk tried by making some good points that we should all follow. This blog is quickly becoming scrollover territory and hardly worth the time to do that.
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Yes, he tried. If you haven’t been paying attention, I’ve been making reasonable posts of late.

Ninety percent of the time I make reasonable posts. However, being a large agressive guy I never took to being pushed, I push back.

Even you Predestined have accused me on this new blog of being other posters when in fact I have not.

You know that gets old, very old when people make accusations without truth, without merit and without standing.

However, life goes on now doesn’t it. :)

Ben–

The Vizla is a very good dog.

It’s a short-haired hunting dog of the Weimaraner-German Short-Hair type except smaller.

You probably have noticed that they like a lot of activity and attention. They are not good kennel dogs–they want to be with the humans at all times.

They generally aren’t too agressive with strangers but you can train them to bark and guard terrority, although usually people do that when they’re still young.

The hip problem is probably a kind of arthritis these large hounds get.

You can buy pills on the internet for about 50cents a day that help control the pain. Also chondriton is good.

Don’t give a dog human pain-killers like ibuprophen–their systems apparently can’t tolerate them as well.

Our Weim actually dragged my then 15 year old daughter along on the ground when she was “walking” the dog once.

We finally had to go with the prong-collar and some obedience training to get her settled down.

“I always figured kids should have a dog and dogs should have kids as chew-toys.”

It makes for a very good life for both kids and dogs!!!

Ah, sad news out of Florida – rock pioneer Bo Diddley has died at 79.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24933262/

In my humble view, Bo Diddley invented rock and roll.

Rest in peace, Ellis, the music world will miss you.

“It is almost as ironic and hypocritical as WS Clark telling someone they don’t have any social skills as he swears and calls them names.”

Tsk, tsk, you’re hurting my feelings, Price.

Social skills are a lot more than a lack of profanity.

This is why the Democratic Party deserves to be the party in power in 2008–

(from a Howard Dean speech at a Democratic meeting)

The most important jobs of the next President, Dean said, will be to “heal our nation” and “restore the moral authority of the United States in the rest of the world.”

Dean recalled some gentle chiding he got from Al Gore at the end of Dean’s own unsuccessful Presidential bid in 2004. “This is not about you. This is about your country,” Gore reminded him.

And, Dean told the delegates, “This is not about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, either. This is about our country. This is not about George Bush and John McCain; it’s about our country. We live in the greatest country on the face of the earth, and it’s time we started acting like that again.”

The crowd, which party officials said was the largest for a state party convention in more than 30 years, rose to its feet, cheering.

Hank, with all due respect, I have found Viszlas to be more like Weims in personality than Labs. As noted here already, they can easily let their “separation anxiety” get the best of them. They’ll destroy stuff if left alone too long. And they are chow hounds! But very sweet and loving. Just a little high strung and they can do a lot of fear barking.

One of my hunting buddies here has had German Shorthairs for a long time, but got a Viz a few years ago. Boomer is a sweetie, and not bad for retrieving, but she doesnt hunt and flush the birds or point as well as the shorthairs. She only does it to make her daddy happy!

And the shorthairs, heheheh….

When we go hunting in groups, if alpha female’s “daddy” isnt shooting well, she’ll give him a dirty look and an eye roll, and then try to go hunt with another shooter! heheheh.

Gotta love ‘em.

One of my pals recently got into the goat biz and was looking for a dog to watch the herd and keep the coyotes away. A breeder we know gave her a two year old Great Pyrenees who wasnt a good mother.

OMG, WHAT a sweet dog!!!! She is just the most gentle, friendly, and kind dog in the world. When she bumps that big head on my elbow to get some lovin’, and turns those kind brown eyes on me, I just MELT!

But, much like my husky/keeshound cross, she has the coat from hell for grooming. Gotta stay on top of it all the time, especially on the farm.

But I’m not sure I ever met a sweeter dog, or one with a more charming smile!

The more I know about people, the better I like dogs…

“Makes me very sad to think of those horses missing their humans.”

I hadn’t heard that, Ms. Grrl, but that is absolutely a sad state of affairs.

LJ–

The Schweitzer article was intriguing but deeply flawed.

In the first place, it was all based on how people “self-identified.” So, if I were really a liar, I would self-identify as a CONservative and then answer all the questions to make them look bad.

This is essentially what Rush Limbaugh succeeded in doing with Operation Chaos, “pretend that you’re a Democrat, and then vote to screw up Obama’s nomination.”

Two, if liberals “aren’t honest,” why are they answering the questions honestly about when they would lie? Seems like the dishonest person would lie about lying.

Three, the situations were hypothetical. It didn’t measure what people actually do.
For instance, the CON who wrote the book said that CONs have “happier marriages.” Actually, the highest divorce rate is among the red-state voters. That’s using what people do–divorce–rather than how happy they say they are on a questionnaire.

Four, if one feels that help for the poor is too little, then paying an out-of-work friend in cash so that he can continue to draw unemployment would not be seen as bad. It would be a kind of fraud against the government, yes. However, if one sees what the government does as worse than that fraud, the moral thing to do would be to commit fraud–in other words, break an immoral law.

There are a lot of problems with the evidence the writer presents.

Lastly, he completely mis-represents Alinsky by saying that Alinsky believes, “the effective political advocate ‘doesn’t have a fixed truth; truth to him is relative and changing, everything to him is relative and changing. He is a political relativist.’”

What Alinsky meant by that is that a political movement should avoid at all costs the ossified position, not that truth doesn’t exist. He was essentially arguing against the Marxist-type revolutionary who was constantly “purging” the movement of “deviationists,” not that black could be white.

He was arguing that the effective organizer has a flexibility of mind to use what works, not to stick to a ideologically “pure” position.

“Models depend on assumptions about complex planetary systems — from ocean currents to cloud formation — that no one fully understands. Which is why the models are inherently flawed and forever changing.”

The weather man predicted a 50 percent chance of showers in Wichita on Sunday morning. We got showers. He predicted a 50 percent chance of showers this morning. We got no showers.

The models aren’t perfect, but they are accurate.

If I shoot a gun that can group 10 shots to no better than a 2 inch circle at 100 yards, it’s very disingenuous to say that the gun is “no good” because it doesn’t hit the exact same spot every single time.

The gun doesn’t have to be perfect to be very accurate.

What people like Krauthammer argue is that because the models don’t make exactly the same predictions all the time–hit the exact same spot–they are worthless . . .

He does the same thing the evolutionist-deniers do; they ignore the consensus to argue about the small inconsistencies and disagreements.

I am no expert on climate models, but I do know that CapnA’s example is simplistic. Models rely on data and many assumptions. And assumptions based on assumptions. If pertinent factors are left out, or an assumption is wrong then the results can be very far afield. For instance, no GW model before predicted this apparent 10 to 15 years of temperature stagnation now being predicted.

That is why predicting the future based on models is little better than guessing.

Whoa, go to lunch and I’m way behind!

Farm Girl! No offense taken. I’m afraid most of my exposure to Viszlas have been at the dog shows.

German Short Hairs? Best hunting dog I’ve ever owned! If I had one I’d take up pheasant hunting again! Still have my 870 just in case.

Great Pyrenees? Exactly the dog I would have recommended for your friend. They aren’t in the herding group, they are in the working group. Bred to guard the sheep vs. herd them.

Horses? Eery spring and fall there is a draft horse auction in Kingman. I usually go because of the tact and buggies. You can pretty much tell when hay is scarce and expensive by the prices for the horses. Hay is going to double in price this year because of fuel prices. This fall will be a good time to by a horse!

For any of you out there who have never experienced sexual abuse and/or rape, I challenge you to read the following article:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pope/sex/economus.html

The priest who penned this gut-wrenching, heartbreaking missive died six years ago. But his words are timeless.

For any of you out there (especially “Sweet Baby James”) who think you know it all – especially when it comes to pregnant women, climb off your pudendal block and get real. The author’s revelations – and my own experience as a teenager – bear this fact out painfully: When you’ve been abused, unscrupulous people will frequently look at you and think, “He/she is vulnerable. He/she is an easy target.”

I can’t really count all the times dissolute young men attempted to take advantage of me after my “relationship” with the Mayor of Thimbleton. But it happened – frequently. The first time, I began sobbing convulsively. The young man had more than a shred of decency and drove me home at once. The next hundred or so times, I rebuffed them audibly – and firmly. After that, the attempted abuses ceased.

The wonder and beauty of true stories like the movie “Bella” is that the characters were good folk. The surpassing horror of sexual abuse is this: Lots and lots of icky people look at you as easy pickin’s.

If you think you know everything under the sun, read this affecting story. When I think of the years this priest was forced to carry these memories within his own soul, I become sick.

The Roman curia needs to be sickened as well.

Criminal abortionist quack Tiller’s trial on 19 misdemeanor counts begins June 16. We can rely on bought-off baby-hating Democrats like Attorney General SixSixSix to stall and skuttle the prosecution.
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Rabidly pro-abortion candidate Obamanation fraudulently claimed in the Rapid City Journal Sunday in South Dakota that he is not pro-abortion, despite the most fanatic, leftist pro-abortion voting record and advocacy in the Illinois Legislature and U.S. Senate that the USofA has ever seen in a presidential candidate. Obamanation has repeatedly endorsed live-birth abortions, partial birth abortions, and taxpayer funding of unrestricted abortions. He is the appointed Judas goat for the black race for reducing their undesirable populations in America’s racist abortion mills. He claims to advocate a reduction in abortions, but has repeatedly acted against parental consent and cutting taxpayer funding, the real proven means of reducing abortions, outside of abolition. Obamanation’s real unstated goal is to maximize abortion mill profits, a blood-soaked cash cow for Democrats. This goal will allow for no reduction in abortions whatsoever, and a proposed health care plan would likely jack up taxpayer funding funneled into inflated kill-for-hire fees significantly.
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In Vitro Fertilization (IVF), According to the Atlanta Center for Reproductive Medicine, caused the deaths of 170,000 fertilized human embryos created in 1999 alone, in the process of artificially conceiving children. Over 1 million embryonic children were killed in the UK in the past 14 years as “waste” embryos from IVF processes. Some IVF treatments actually use 40 fertilized eggs to produce one baby. Usually, only about 20% of the fertilized embryos are considered strong enough to be implanted in a woman. The rest are usually destroyed. The Ottawa Health Research Institute (OHRI) has publicly admitted that less than 10% of human embryos survive to birth in IVF.
In response to this horrific waste of living human beings, while hundreds of babies and children await adoption and hundreds of decent married couples wanting to adopt are on long waiting lists or lack financing, 157 healthy snowflake babies have been birthed, a tiny success that has been ridiculed by U.S. Congressmen, with regard to federal funding of the Snowflake program for adopting frozen embryos.

So, Parkay favors test tube babies!! WOW!! What a departure from nearly everybody in the anti-abortion camps!! Good golly miss molly!!

More on Warmists as Climate Alchemists

An email from Hans Schreuder

Warmism is pseudo-science in the name of science. Yet these pseudo-scientists call skeptics by the same name.

Skeptics are also called flat-earthers, yet it is the climate alchemists themselves who invest unwavering faith in the computers that draw projections on a flat earth. A flat earth with no night time; a flat earth with no North or South Pole, a two-dimensional disk receiving exactly the same solar energy over every inch of its vast flat surface. These models, just like those who both invent them and adjust their computing accordingly, cannot juggle anything more than a single flat plate. So who are the pseudo-scientists? The flat-earth modelers or the round-earth realists?

Not even skeptics will admit that the current hypothesis on how the earth acquires its temperature is physically untenable, nor that official explanations of radiative forcing are scientifically incoherent. Instead, they go along and attempt to calculate how many IPCC fairies can dance on a pinhead, proceeding on the shared premise that such entities exist in the first place. Aren’t we all pseudo-scientists then?

Until such time as we fully grasp the complexity of our atmosphere and its interaction with the sun and earth, scientists should stop pronouncing so assuredly about our climate. And bureaucrats across the world would do well to stop their head-long rush into regulating carbon consumption and reducing carbon dioxide emissions.

Carbon dioxide is a vital gas of life and carbon is the very basis of our existence – yet collectively we understand almost nothing about either. As scientists, true scientists, we must come to terms with our ignorance, or else, as of right now, cure cancer, create life and build fusion reactors, as well as predict with 100% accuracy what tomorrow’s weather will bring.

Oh, I agree, Mary!

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything . . .other than there’s still a debate to have!

Let’s decrease our dependence on fossil fuels, let’s start building nuclear plants! Let’s decrease our dependence on foreign oil, drill here, drill now and save money!

But the greenie weenies want us to unilaterally decrease our carbon emissions to less than 20% of our 2000 amount! They’re Nazis!

Better safe than sorry? I doubt it, what the greenie weenies have in mind is not the environment, it’s political power!

And now, for something different –

Turns out retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the man who led American ground forces in Iraq from 2003-2004, has released a new book– titled Wiser in Battle: A Soldier’s Story that takes aim at the Bush administration with some of the strongest criticism to date from a former Iraq commander.

An excerpt:

In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, I watched helplessly as the Bush administration led America into a strategic blunder of historic proportions. It became painfully obvious that the executive branch of our government did not trust its military. It relied instead on a neoconservative ideology developed by men and women with little, if any, military experience. Some senior military leaders did not challenge civilian decision makers at the appropriate times, and the courageous few who did take a stand were subsequently forced out of the service.

Okay. Let’s hear all you Cons accuse General Sanchez of “hating the troops.”

And let’s see if the “liberal media” will give this book the attention it deserves, even in the wake of McClellan’s book.

“The scientific “debate” on the AGW consensus is over.” — cosmos

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That statement reflects an unscientific attitude. Even the consensus document admits that they could be wrong about MMGW. Personally, I remain unconvinced. It is clearly a more political than scientific issue now. More information becomes available all the time. And findings that are inconsistent with the models.

No real scientist would say that the debate is over.

“Even the consensus document admits that they could be wrong about MMGW.”

Do you mean the use of terms such as “very likely” (> 90%) and “virtually certain” > 99%)?

Science does not make 100% claims.

There is no peer-reviewed science that says anthropogenic GHG’s are not causing warming.

Conservative Kansas lightning rod Kris Kobach will appear on Bill O’Reilly’s broadcast Tuesday night to discuss abortion mill crime and, perhaps, the way Kansas Supreme Court “judges” are appointed by abortionist quacks. No spin.
The Women’s Political Caucus reimbursed the state – finally, last week, tipped off by an open records request that broke the scandal – for the $848 in food (steak and lobster) and wine (none for the alcoholic drug abuser Tiller, supposedly) for the secret governor’s reception honoring Tiller and his fellow abortionist quacks and killer staff on April 9, 2007. There is still no evidence that this Cedar Crest soiree was an auctioned prize.
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Now that the Brits have legalized the creation of chimeras by mixing human and animal parts in embryos, the government proposes going even further. Officials have released new guidelines allowing scientists to use cells from dead people in human cloning efforts – without the consent of the departed donor.
How’s your YUCK factor?

“Where people of various philosophies, insights, motivations, and opinions can come together and discuss ideas.”

“So could we start talking about issues and ideas instead of real or imagined personalities.”

“Maybe for just a day?”

Do you remember these statements MonkeyHawk?

I make a general statement about politicians, academic nitwits and grant whores and you use it as an excuse to insult me.

What a weak hypocritical asshole. You start the day with an uncivil plea for civility then finish the day with no attempt to be civil.

The multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ posted June 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm

“Interesting that “very likely” (> 90%) and “virtually certain” > 99%) is even used by the GW Alarmists as they don’t even know all the facts concerning climate change.”

That’s because,

1) The only science(sic) people like ‘Regular‘ have are the bogus, non-scientific nonsense from people like from E. G. Beck.

‘More Nonsense about CO2′
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php

‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3
“It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year —- the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”

And other people, like the agricultural economist Dennis Avery, Steven Milloy, Senator James Inhofe, et al.

2) The only way to “know all the facts concerning climate change” is to, as Ben says, continue running the ‘Great Experiment’.

Say for the next 100 years?

But we do not have a “control” planet for our little (huge sarcasm) scientific “experiment”.

And much more importantly, we do not have another Earth to move to, if we do not like the results of our “little experiment”.

This is our home. This is the home of our children, and their children, and their children, and …

And all of the other life that has adapted to Earth’s pre-industrial age era.

We, and they, do not have another home.

Early this a.m.:

HLP
Posted June 2, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
“Good morning MonkeyHawk!

“I promise to be civil for the day! Generally I’m pretty non-confrontational unless someone fires the first shot. Even then, most of the time I even ignore it.

“Even though you could not offer up the olive branch without calling me a name and disparaging my son (a better man I don’t know) I’ll be civil for at least today.”

Hank’s ideas about civility this very same day:

“But the greenie weenies want us to unilaterally decrease our carbon emissions to less than 20% of our 2000 amount! They’re Nazis!”

later in the day:

“Do you remember these statements MonkeyHawk?

“I make a general statement about politicians, academic nitwits and grant whores and you use it as an excuse to insult me.

“What a weak hypocritical asshole. You start the day with an uncivil plea for civility then finish the day with no attempt to be civil.”

For the Hankster,

Being civil is what you do for Hank and his arrogant son. Their cilivity to you? – not so important.

But, surely, I don’t have to point out these undeniable facts to anyone who has read this blog for any length of time.

Pretty sad situation, actually. Hank is not an unlikeable guy, from my experience. Just trusting him to be civil for a day is a challenge for him that one should not expect him to honor.

I may, or may not, respond to the predictable Price family flames about this post. They really are not that important to anyone. Certainly not to me.

“blog Messiah” is your job, James. And let me let you in on a little secret, you are doing a crappy jog of it. But I did not expect otherwise. I am sure rational people here, did not either.

jog or job = same difference

The multi-nic’d ‘Regular posted June 2, 2008 at 11:09 pm

“… I have extensive scientific education,…”

Then stop using your stupid and false ad hominems to attack me.

Instead, use your moldy, old, (1970’s ?) Industrial Hygiene Engineering education to prove that E. G. Beck’s bogus CO2 claim is scientifically valid.

If ‘Regular’ cannot do that, he should just shut up.

Cosmos,

All you do is twist what people say to attack them.

Why don’t you stick to your copy paste from realclimate and leave it at that? You would be far more effective if you did.

Talking badly about you, Nathan, is too easy to do. What about those social skills you are so proud of? I am going to bed, but perhaps you’d like to inform others about those excellent social skills you have. LOL, you very sorry POS.

Steven,

Looks like your medication must be wearing off again.

Perhaps you should stick to posting in the early hours of the day when you are still somewhat respectable and your bi-polar alternate ego has not yet emerged?

Nathaniel,

You would be “far more effective”, if you could prove that anything that you post trying to deny AGW was not lies, BS, and ignorance.

But Nathaniel cannot do that.

Nathaniel does not have any credible science to support his invalid opinions.

Nathaniel just has lies, BS, ignorance… and false ad hominems.

fuk’d that one up didn’t I cosmos…just giving you the AGW “berries”.

regards,

ANTI

Cosmos,

For someone so concerned with others using the ad hominem you sure seem incapable of doing anything other than that.

Well home squirrel (cosmo/SED), I am going to pack up my nuts and hit the nest. Good evening/morning.