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BRITISH PARLIAMENTARIANS CLASH OVER CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE

The “apocalyptic visions” of environmentalists are not justified by the evidence about global warming, according to a Midland MP. John Maples (Con Stratford) told the House of Commons he did not believe scientists really understood what was happening to the earth’s climate. He sounded a note of scepticism in a debate which highlighted the lack of consensus among Britain’s politicians about the environment.

Black Country MP Rob Marris (Lab Wolverhampton South West) told colleagues to “wake up and smell the coffee” and accept the world was not going to stop creating the pollution believed to cause global warming. Most MPs and staff failed even to turn the lights off in the Commons toilets, he said. Britain should focus on how it was going to cope with global warming, instead of hoping it could avoid the problem by cutting back on carbon emissions, he said.

They were speaking during a debate on the Climate Change Bill, which will set a legally binding target for reducing UK carbon dioxide emissions by at least 26 per cent by 2020. Mr Maples said: “Until a couple of months ago, I was happily riding this consensus and accepted the received wisdom. I thought it was probably being exaggerated a bit, but then people usually do that. However, I then made the mistake of reading a few books and quite a lot of analysis … that has led me to a couple of conclusions that trouble me a lot.

“I do not believe that the science is anything like as settled as the proponents of the Bill are making out. In fact, the scientists hedge their predictions with an awful lot of qualifications and maybes that those who invoke them often omit. “The science is a bit like medicine in the 1850s. The scientists are scratching the surface of something that they do not really understand, but no doubt will. “They are probably on to something, but nothing like the whole story. What they say does not justify any of the apocalyptic visions that we have heard set out.”

He said none of the models scientists had developed to predict how carbon emissions might affect the environment could account for the climate change that had actually taken place. “The record shows that the climate warmed from 1920 to 1940, cooled from 1940 to 1975, rose again from 1975 to 2000, and since 2000 … has not risen at all. In the past seven years, global temperatures have not increased.”

Mr Marris was also sceptical about plans to reduce carbon emissions, but for different reasons. He said: “I welcome the Bill and I accept that human activity is affecting the climate adversely. I am not a flat-earther.” But he did not accept the “cosy consensus” that everything would be fine if plans were made to cut carbon dioxide emissions, he said. Emissions were currently going up rather than down, he added.

Some MPs were calling for an 80 per cent cut, he said. “I say to honourable members, `wake up and smell the coffee’. We are not going to achieve 80 per cent – it will be hard to reach 60 per cent, if we consider the number of air trips our constituents make.”

Global warming would affect Britain’s plans, wildlife and food production, he said. “They will affect issues such as building design and planning regulations; roads and railways, with rails buckling in the heat; water supply, with a need for new reservoirs; what we have to do about coastal defences with rising sea levels; inland flooding, which we saw dramatically last year and which will only get worse; possible civil unrest and its security implications, which other countries and, potentially, we will face; and international development.”

I missed it I guess, but what whatever it was as far as I’m concerned you are forgiven.
We all need to learn to be civil, it’s not just you.

GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE

As global temperatures cool, budget busting AGW “cures” are going to be a hard sell. How do you sell ice to an eskimo?

From the Washington Times:

“We’re not supposed to call global warming “global warming” any more. That’s so very 20th century. Now it’s “climate change,” just in time for the political high season, and convenient when the climate leaves the natural warming cycle and enters the cooling cycle, as it has done for millions of years. Climate change is the change that Obama, Hillary, John and the rest of us can all believe in, because changing is what the climate does best. Best of all, the hysteria so beloved by Chicken Little and his disciples is preserved, like the pickle we were never in.

In fact, the earth has been measurably cooling for the last decade, despite everything Al and his followers have done about it. The solar cycle peaked, the sun is quieter, the suns spots have faded and everybody but Al is cooling off. Even the United Nations agrees, and who could disagree with the United Nations? The director of the U.N.’s International Governmental Panel on Climate Change concedes that nature has overwhelmed everything man can do and it might even be another decade before man can rally and the warming resumes. Until then the U.N. and related bureaucracies, which have blown through billions of dollars in “research” to prove that man not nature rules the cosmos, must work hard to keep up the hysteria level.”

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jun/17/pruden-not-dead-yet-and-cooling/

Good morning Steven. Say, what do you think we should do about this global cooling that is going on and predicted by NASA to continue for the next 20 plus years?

Friends of BlueJay/J R
Get your boy some help. He has lost it. Get his kid some help too. God only knows the damage he has already inflicted on his son…
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Let government take the gold and make the rules.

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Know what makes the BlueJay smile?
You cons are dying out.

Well outlander,

The most obvious thing to do is to revise our computer programs so that they can be shown to have been right all along.

More importantly, we have a lot of research and scientific data invested in ‘bad CO2′ so now we need to shift the empahsis to the ‘acidification’ of the oceans!

Then in twenty years when none of the current apocolyptic concerns bear fruition for the environmental nitwits we’ll have moved on to the next American caused looming disaster that can only be prevented by giving someone like Algore dominion over our lives.

I don’t know, based on the weather I’ve seen lately, I would say the climate is changing regardless of what the charts and experts say.

“You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”

Before Regular took over the Open thread with his canard that “the Democratic Party is responsible for all racism in the US,” I had posed a simple “yes or no” question that the Bible-spouting CONs found too difficult to answer:

“Do you agree with CONservative religious leaders–Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, and John Hagee–that God sent Katrina and 9-11 to punish a disobedient nation?”

Outlander made a stab at it by saying that God do this if He wanted to . . . uh, yeah, outlander, God could do anything he wanted since He is traditionally viewed as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. That doesn’t answer the question, though.

DID GOD PUNISH THE US BY SENDING A HURRICAINE AND ALLOWING A TERRORIST ATTACK?

I say no.

The CONs are too cowardly to express their opinions on this issue because they know they can’t defend them, apparently.

“HLP says –

“I got a lot of money that says those were 7 ounce coke bottles.”

Pay up, “HLP.”

As it happens, I have a gold-plated Coca-Cola bottle, from the company’s 50-year anniversary (the 1950s sometime) right here on my desk.

It’s clearly embossed: “CONTENTS 6 1/2 FL. OZS.”

When Coke came out in “King Size” bottles, you got 10 ounces.

“I liked to get the 12 ounce bottles, take that first, long, mind freezing swaller then put a small bag of Planter’s peanuts in the bottle.”

The truth belies the old Pepsi-Cola hits the spot jingle:

“Twelve full ounces, that’s a lot.”
Twice as much for a nickel, too!
Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you!”

Twelve full ounces wasn’t “twice as much!”

Oh, jeez, I just realized–now that I said something was better in another country than here, some CON is bound to pop up out of his mole hole and say, “if you love Mexico so much, why don’t you move there, you America-hater?”

Sigh . . .

First, the important question – what does the world think of America? For the first time since the commencement of the Iraq War, there was a slight uptick in favorable attitudes towards the U.S., with positive views increasing since 2007 in half of the countries for which comparative data was available. Such statistics are good news for the nation, but perhaps not so much for George W. Bush, whose departure from the White House next January is the likely cause for the increases. Only three nations – Tanzania, Nigeria, and India – had majorities who expressed confidence in Bush’s handling of world affairs. Each of the other 21 countries, by wide margins, held little to no confidence in President Bush.

Majorities in 39% of nations polled believe that whoever replaces Bush will change U.S. foreign policy for the better, though in 20 out of 23 nations surveyed, more people have confidence in Sen. Barack Obama than in Sen. John McCain. America also scores high ratings for the quality of its democracy. Majorities in two-thirds of countries surveyed say that the U.S. respects the personal freedoms of its citizens.

That’s the good news. The bad news is that, “with few exceptions, the American economy is now seen as having a negative impact on national economies, both large and small, in all parts of the world,” according to the study’s authors. Additionally, the majority of nations included think that the U.S. is extremely influential in their nations – and that such influence is not a good thing. More than half the nations polled see the United States as the world’s top polluter – and Americans are considered among the least concerned about the effects of global warming. The nation most trusted to “do the right thing in protecting the world’s environment” -

Sounds alot like when the Soviets controlled Kabul.
Taliban militants destroy bridges in Afghanistan By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jun 17, 7:34 AM ET

ARGHANDAB, Afghanistan – Taliban militants destroyed bridges and planted mines in several villages they control outside southern Afghanistan’s largest city in apparent preparation for battle, residents and officials said Tuesday.

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More than 700 families — meaning perhaps 4,000 people or more — had fled the Arghandab district 10 miles northwest of Kandahar city, said Sardar Mohammad, a police officer manning a checkpoint on the east side of the Arghandab River. Police on Tuesday stopped and searched every person passing on the road.

On the west side of the river, hundreds of Taliban controlled around nine or 10 villages, Mohammad said.

“Last night the people were afraid, and families on tractors, trucks and taxis fled the area,” said Mohammad. “Small bridges inside the villages have been destroyed.”

But, but, but, Phantom, the difference between us and them is night and day.

The Soviets installed an unelected puppet dictator. We on the other hand installed an unelected puppet president.

See the difference?

NOte the scientist name, who would you guess he was spying for?
Former Boeing scientist charged in defense probe
Tuesday June 17, 10:57 am ET
Lawyer: Former Boeing scientist to plead guilty to retaining national defense data

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A former Boeing Co. scientist who specialized in anti-missile systems plans to plead guilty to unlawfully retaining national defense information, his attorney said.
Abraham Lesnik, 68, was charged Monday, nearly two years after a federal investigation into whether he misused classified information, prosecutors said. He could receive up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted.

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Lesnik appeared in court, where U.S. Magistrate judge set his bail at $150,000, Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Zweiback said.

A trial date was set for Aug. 12, but Lesnik’s attorney, Marc Harris, said his client will plead guilty.

U.S. Attorney’s Office spokesman Thom Mrozek said most of the case was under seal. A charging document alleges Lesnik had unauthorized possession of 10 classified documents and one “top secret” document “pertaining to national defense satellite threat mitigation.”

The FBI searched Lesnik’s San Fernando Valley home three times in 2006 and confiscated a laptop computer.

Lesnik’s Department of Defense security clearance was listed as “Secret, Special Access” until he was terminated by Boeing in 2007, according to a court document he filed to prevent Boeing officials from examining his computer. He argued it contained personal financial, medical and family information.

Calls to Boeing after business hours were not returned Monday.

The Republic Party Good News Fairy –

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/06/17/tomo/

Hey Mayor Nagin:

Look out! It’s Hurricane Season! Big clue for ya: E-V-A-C-U-A-T-E if a Hurricane approaches.

Oh, and watch TV for weather forecasts.

$7 BILLION SPENT ON NEW ORLEANS and $5 BILLION MORE ON THE WAY – It Still Ain’t Enough.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367822,00.html

NOAA: New Orleans at Risk From Cat. 2 Hurricane
Tuesday, June 17, 2008

BATON ROUGE, La. — Despite a massive effort to repair and upgrade flood defenses since Hurricane Katrina, storm surge could pour over levees in New Orleans if a strong Category 2 or higher hurricane strikes the city, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said Monday.

“DID GOD PUNISH THE US BY SENDING A HURRICAINE AND ALLOWING A TERRORIST ATTACK?”
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Capn always posing NIGYYSOB (Now I got you, you Son of a B____)questions.

I was always taught that after the great flood, God would never again inflict damage on mankind on a massive scale, that is until the end of times.

And no, I don’t haven’t anything against Falwell, Hagee or anyone else. Misguided thoughts I might say, but they are entitled to their beliefs.

I wish I did, but the one thing I do know is that they need to fire some more because they still suck.

Charges dropped against another Haditha Marine.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368023,00.html

Wonder if the self-serving pig Murtha will appologize to him?

CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34179

“McKinney Says People Must ‘Flip the Script” Again, Urges Mass Mobilization Supporting Impeachment

In a prepared statement released today, six-term former
Georgia Congresswoman and candidate for the 2008 Green
Party Presidential Nomination urged the broad and diverse
Coalition forming around her campaign to “take any and all
steps necessary” to build support for action on H.Res. 1258,
the Kucinich resolution to impeach President George Bush.

Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, on Monday, June 9th, spent
five hours on the Floor of the U.S. House of Representatives,
reading thirty-five Articles of Impeachment laying out
the case that George Bush ought to be removed from office
for ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’. In her statement,
Ms. McKinney extends her appreciation to her former colleague
“for his courage and tenacity, for the comprehensiveness of
his research, and for the leadership he exhibited to press
forward the democratic demands of the People for accountability
and justice.” On the Ohio Congressman’s motion, his Impeachment
Resolution was then referred to the House Committee on Judiciary
in a recorded 251-166 vote.

Ms. McKinney became the first Member of Congress to introduce
Articles of Impeachment against the Bush Administration,
naming Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State
Condoleeza Rice in charges which she introduced during the
109th Congress. McKinney parted ways with the Democrat Party
partly for their failure to fulfill their Constitutional
responsibilities, when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took
impeachment ‘off the table’.”

Ya, Jennifer Granholm is looking like yet another tax and spend Democrat Sol.

Maybe Obama will select her, we can only be so lucky.

“Jennifer Granholm is looking like yet another tax and spend Democrat”

As opposed to “borrow and spend” Republicans. Remember, 75% of the National Debt has been generated under the last three Republican presidents. Also, remember that Bash II never vetoed a bill until AFTER the 2006 elections.

Whoops!

“Regular” trots out the ol’ “Tax and Spend” Democrat meme –

Do you wear a mullet, too?

Here’s more of the Granholm transcript:

“GRANHOLM — The Obama plan has significant middle class, working class tax cuts. In fact, there was a national study that is a neutral study which said that average Americans, middle class Americans, would see three times as much of a tax break under Obama than they would under McCain.

We in Michigan want to reinvent Michigan. We want to rebuild a clean, green state where technology and green technology and alternative energy and renewable energy is the sector of growth for job creation to replace those lost manufacturing jobs. And I tell you, if you look at what Al Gore has done in elevating the dialogue about climate change and in taking action, he will tell you that this is — yes, it’s good for the planet, but it’s also good for the economy and for jobs. And that’s where Michigan stands right there.”

Somehow, I doubt “Regular” earns more than $250,000 a year. Ya gotta wonder what dog he has in this particular tax policy discussion.

If Obama won in November and (God forbid) picked Granholm and (God forbid) he died, we would have a foreign born president.

Can that happen?
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That’s a good question Sol… My first response would be YES… because the Constitution specifies non-foreign born to be ELECTED President…

However, I think you need to do a COTUS bone dig to see what the commentaries say about this one…

IF she could be a VP — Then, the Republicans MIGHT want to consider Schwarzenegger for their VP!! Also, foreign born…

Kissinger was Secretary of State… a person in line to Presidential succession… and HE was also foreign born… Should he have been able to be Secretary of State??

See, I ma not sure how it works, when it comes to lines of succession…

BUT — Good question!!

oh damn, you know what I mean… cant type worth a hoot today!! Only those born here can be elected Preident… DAMN!!

Panama. Yeah no one really brought that to light. Isn’t there some confusion on Obama too?

What confusion would there be about Obama?? He was born in the U.S.

“Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth.”

Sol – the same things could be said of a person born anywhere in the US since this once was sovereign non-European nations.

It’s a “natural born citizen,” not necessarily one born in the US. The “McCain born in Panama” canard is long since dismissed as the crap it is. He was born a US citizen to US citizen parents – he’s eligible.

Chas – the succession problem isn’t a problem. Check out the 12th amendment – the very last line.

“But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.”

Kinda makes that a non-issue, doesn’t it?

The Kissinger problem is interesting. He was in the line of succession as Secretary of State(4th or 5th, I think) but he is of course constitutionally ineligible to be president. He could not therefore succeed to the office. He could not be president.

But could he have been “acting President?” That’s a more interesting question. Art. II specifically speaks of successors to the office “acting as president.” That language changed with the 25nd amendment (1967), when tradition became written in the Constitution and a succeeding VP in fact becomes President, not “acting” president. But does that same rule apply down the line of succession? Not entirely sure.

What if a Speaker of the House is foreign born – not all that far-fetched. If she succeeds (she’s 2nd in line, after all) to the office, is she president, or acting president?

Good question . . .

Thanks GMC thats what I wanted to know… And as I said, the lines of succession are an intereting question… such as when Kissinger was Scretary of State, etc….

Heckler,

Do you also argue that a tiny amount of Ebola virus cannot harm a human, because it’s insignificant compared to the mass of the human?

CO2 accounts for a significant amount of Earth’s “greenhouse” effect.

cosmos does not understand that a virus is encapsulated and restricted to its virulence in a closed system in living organisms.

The environment we call earth is a cyclical system of ever open, ever modifying climate events. co2 does not ‘take over’ cells like viruses do.

cosmos is showing his non-scientist mode today in his weak analogies.

ben –

McCain was born on US soil, as at the time, the Canal Zone was a US possession. Further, both McCain’s parents were US citizens. Thus either way he’s a US citizen.

It’s a non-issue. I’m amazed anyone even brings it up; it’s as silly as the “Obama born in Hawaii, and Hawaii is not legally part of the US but is a kingdom” meme.

GMC – agreed. And I would say the same about military or diplomatic overseas. A bit less sure in the Romney case but would likely still say eligible.

You can say that again, GMC.

“I supported Goldwater and my understanding was that he would have qualified.”

That has been a long time, Ben. Do you recall how it shook out? Was it considered “natural born citizenship” because it was a territory?

‘Big Oil Gets Sued for Climate Change’
http://www.desmogblog.com/big-oil-gets-sued-for-climate-change
“The Tiny arctic village of Kivalina , Alaska could be the beginning of the end for Big Oil. Two veteran tobacco litigators have joined forces in a novel court action to sue oil companies for climate-related damage to the remote Inuit village – and for lying to the public about climate change.
…
The irony of Big Oil’s propaganda campaign being their undoing is rich indeed. Keep an eye on this small but important lawsuit hailing from a tiny village in Alaska. Things could get interesting.”

More details, comparison to tobacco, etc at link.

“…to sue oil companies for climate-related damage to the remote Inuit village – and for lying to the public about climate change.”

Bring it on! Then these knuckleheads would have to prove it in court. HA!

WSC – as I recall it was said that he would have been OK as a ‘natural’

LOL!!

UCS=George Soros grant whores!

By the way, what ever happened to those islands that were sinking and tried to blame the US for the oceans rising?

Nitwits!

Dear Hank Price,

Ad hominems don’t work against hard facts.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/exxonmobil-smoke-mirrors-hot.html
According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.

Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco’s Tactics to “Manufacture Uncertainty” on Climate Change details how the oil company, like the tobacco industry in previous decades, has

* raised doubts about even the most indisputable scientific evidence

* funded an array of front organizations to create the appearance of a broad platform for a tight-knit group of vocal climate change contrarians who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings

* attempted to portray its opposition to action as a positive quest for “sound science” rather than business self-interest

* used its access to the Bush administration to block federal policies and shape government communications on global warming ”
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“Ad hominems don’t work against hard facts.”

You mean like this?

BDP fleettwood,

fleettwood, you are the BDP.

fleettwood,

Pointing out a positive even if they lose is not admitting that the suit is for “show”. I believe that they can win.

But thank you for again proving that you are the BDP.

“I believe that they can win.”

Of course you do.

“desmogblog says it.

I believe it.

That settles it.”

You and the fundamentals have much in common.

“However, in confining his attacks to the Democrats, Perryman ignored the party realignment that occurred in the twentieth century. As PBS illustrated in a documentary titled The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow, “[B]y [President Franklin Delano] Roosevelt’s second term (1937-1940) … the Democratic party had become more liberal, less deferential to Southerners, and more interested in urban issues.”

As historian David Greenberg documented in his Slate.com “History Lesson” column in 2000, “The GOP’s abandonment of African-Americans commenced with the presidential election of 1876″; “[a]nti-lynching laws [passed in the 1930s] marked the last major civil rights issue on which Republicans were out in front.” Greenberg noted that party “realignment crystallized under President Franklin Roosevelt” when the “Depression hit black Americans disproportionately hard, and FDR’s relief programs, such as the Civilian Conservation Corps and the Public Works Administration, gave them much-needed aid and jobs” around the same time that “Northern and Western Democrats [in Congress] took the lead on progressive racial legislation.”

Finally, Perryman’s analogy of Democrats paying reparations and the Nazis paying reparations to the Jews is a non sequitur: The Nazi Party was disbanded in 1945 (at the end of World War II) and was, therefore, no longer in existence when the German government began paying Holocaust reparations in 1952, according to the Jewish Virtual Library (which references the American Jewish Historical Society).”

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407010003

I look forward to the trial.
Good luck.
Too bad, you people have overplayed your hand too many times. Too bad, people with asthma have to pay more and have less effective inhalers for the “ozone hole”.
Too bad people can’t mow their yard with gas mowers.

EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!

“And they say Abe wouldn’t be a Republican today!”

Who said that? Who is “they?”

And since when do today’s Republicans reflect ANY of those values listed. They certainly haven’t under the current administration or when they had majorities in both the Senate and the House with a Republican Executive. During those years they

destroyed everyone but the haves and have mores,

destroyed several countries including our own,

brought about the largest debt in history while giving NO indication the word “thrift” is in the Republican vocabulary — let alone that they understand the concept,

sent the jobs overseas so there were far fewer wage earners,

incited world hatred of Americans,

lied, stole, murdered, solicited sex in public bathrooms and with pages, destroyed the Constitution of the United States of America

and did nothing positive for mankind.

However there are still the 28%s who support and excuse and prove each day they share one malfunctioning brain cell.

Whoops! Boxlock made a boo-boo……………..

That makes misquoting okay……….

around the mountain?

“For someone with “originally” in his name, you don’t have any original thoughts.
‘Sup with that?”

This is an ad hominem. This is a statement that directly attacks the poster as lacking in original thoughts.

“Ad hominems don’t work against hard facts.”

This is not. This is a statement.

But then, Fleetwood is the master of the drive by ad hominem, and not much else.

That, by the way, IS an ad hominem. It is also, from what I have seen out of fleetwood, a true statement.

WSClark Posted June 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm
“That makes misquoting okay…”

WS,
If not for P_mamma you would never have known, and would have been rude just the same as that’s your nature.
I’ve learned that just as a snake can’t get up and walk, you will never be an agreeable or likable human being.

“And they say Abe wouldn’t be a Republican today! Better study history a little harder!!”

Boxlock, this was the opening statement of your post. It looks like a thesis sentence to me (!!).

You later said:
“Frankly I don’t care if ‘little Johnny down the block’ said it, as far as I’m concerned it is still
Timeless and True!
And that was the point anyway.”

Uhm, no, you might agree with the statements, but you originally indicated that it spoke to Lincoln’s viewpoint and those who don’t think he would be a Republican now “better study history a little harder”.

If you lifted that sentence from a political spam e-mail, you failed to edit it to indicate that regardless of who said it, you agreed with it.

BTW, I don’t pretend to know whether a nineteenth century man like Lincoln would stand on modern politics, or how he would have responded to the Reverend’s words.

“If not for P_mamma you would never have known.”

Actually, I am fairly adept at using Google and Snopes. I would have found you out, but she did a great job of busting you for posting a lie.

“you will never be an agreeable or likable human being.”

Well, thank you! If there is one thing that I have learned in these 56 years, is that if the wrong people “like you” it is even worse than if the right people dislike you.

You are one of the “wrong people.”

Regular
Posted June 17, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
My grandmother was born in Oklahoma territory. I believe Oklahoma didn’t become a state until 1907 or something like that?
**********

Correct. November 16th, 1907.

http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/stinfo2.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

Why I’m voting Republican.

What about the issues with Barack Obama’s candidacy?

“Yes, we can!”

William Ayres?

“Yes, we can!”

Jeremiah Wright?

“Yes, we can!”

Father Michael Pfleger?

“Yes, we can!”

Trinity UCC?

“Yes, we can!”

Barack Hussein Obama?

“Yes, we can!”

From Chicago?

“Yes, we can!”

One of the most crooked democratic areas of the country?

“Yes, we can!”

Jim Johnson resigned?

“Yes, we can!”

Tony Rezko?

“Yes, we can!”

He hasn’t passed any legislation in the US Senate?

“Yes, we can!”

He is admittedly the most liberal senator in the US Senate?

“Yes, we can!”

He is only on his second term in the US Senate?

“Yes, we can!”

He has a very high number of no-votes in the Illinois Senate?

“Yes, we can!”

He is unapologetically pro-abortion?

“Yes, we can!”

He is a major supporter and endorsed by Planned parenthood?

“Yes, we can!”

A admitted former marijuana and cocaine user.

“Yes, we can!”

Half black, but seen as all black.

“Yes, we can!”

Sat 20 years in a pew at church and could not remember radical statements being made by his Pastor.

“Yes, we can!”

You are no one I want to be around, even in cyberspace.
That is said not to get back at you, or to offend, it’s just fact.

… then old man why do you keep talking to him ? Now go change your depends

DavidB
Posted June 17, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink
How to Speak Republican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXk4P12p1tU

Political_mama
Posted June 17, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

Why I’m voting Republican.
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For some reason, those links arent working for me… They dont display a video box…

“I simply don’t care what you think anymore. You are no one I want to be around, even in cyberspace.”

Christ, I am touched, I’ll change my ways immediately and become a God-fearing right wing hater just like you.

Or, maybe not.

” They dont display a video box…”

Don’t worry about it Chas. You aren’t missing anything worthwhile. Political spoof. Funny, but not a grain of truth to it.

‘Merican is nothing more than a mongrel, racist bigot… And has now proven that beyond the shadow of any doubt for two days in a row!!! SHAME on ‘Merican, the Blog’s Anti-American!! You like that Swastika on your back bumper??? :-|

“Boxlock
Posted June 17, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
WS,
I don’t know how to tell you this with anymore more sincerity. When you say, “You are one of the “wrong people”, well…I couldn’t care less what you think.
I don’t dismiss people lightly, as I consider it a loss for me personally to do so, but you….I simply don’t care what you think anymore. You are no one I want to be around, even in cyberspace.
That is said not to get back at you, or to offend, it’s just fact.”

Very well said.

Boxlick caught in a lie?

Say it aint so.

“Very well said.”

Kind of like when AmWay said that he “knew more about me” and would have the police over to arrest me for marijuana law violations.

“Very well said” AmWay.

Ha!

“And quite frankly, considering much of the audience, spending a lot of time checking authenticity of the auther seemed like a waste of time.”

In other words, you just posted crap that had been MADE UP.

Jeez, might you be a REPUBLICAN?

Who wudda thunk it?

oops:
http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=56115&src=top5&lev=

YOU attributed words you chose to Abraham Lincoln there Boxy.

I take personal offense at that. Abraham Lincoln was a cousin of mine. His Great Aunt was my many times great Grandmother.

You lied. You got busted.

Believe is not spelled “belive”, not even two dozen times…. whahahahhaah.

Try this one http://www.barackobama.com/index.php to see what his campaign has to say…

And you are lying now BlueJay.
You have trash for a blood line, no one of your character, who steals $1.50 bags of top soil, can be trusted to say anything truthful.
You have no character JR, you are an embarrassment to the human race, little more than animal in nature.
And the reason you and WS make such a issue over nothing is because you both know your character also and don’t need me to point it out.

Naughty, naughty now Boxlock – you are getting really close to being belligerent. God knows what that would make you if you crossed that line.

Just admit that you posted a lie and we will let it slide.

Maybe.

Petty minds, petty people.

lie, “to make a statement that one knows is false, esp. with intent to deceive”

http://www.yourdictionary.com/lie

There was no attempt to deceive, the comments were attributed to the wrong person by mistake, which was not the focus of the posting.
The shallowness of the person is proven by the shallow importance of their arguments.
As I said, and you prove, shallow people with shallow minds.

Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month
Gore’s personal electricity consumption up 10%, despite “energy-efficient” home renovations.
http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764
What a hypocrite.

“There was no attempt to deceive, the comments were attributed to the wrong person by mistake, which was not the focus of the posting.”

Sure it was. YOU took words that you agreed with and attributed them to someone who never said them.

That demands an apology not a squirm.

Man up and apologize.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE

Anybody who has read Lincoln, or read much about Lincoln, would or should know, that Lincoln would not build up such a straw man of words such as what was purported to come from Lincoln…. Lincoln just wouldnt write anything that stupid!! LOL

“And you are lying now BlueJay.
You have trash for a blood line, no one of your character, who steals $1.50 bags of top soil, can be trusted to say anything truthful.
You have no character JR, you are an embarrassment to the human race, little more than animal in nature.”

From a liar like you Boxy? That’s a compliment.

I have to be careful what I post here. There are people who want to hurt or kill me trying to guess my real name here.

You forget the history of your own country. I guess your people got here late huh?

This country has been all about fighting “the man” and helping one another.

If I wished, I qualify as a son of the American Revolution.

Catch me in a lie if you can. YOU were caught in one here.

OMG, boxlicker got caught telling a lie and now he’s trying to poodle dance his way out of it?

heheheheheheheheheheheheh. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEH.

HEE HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEE….

Since when did out right lying become a “chrisitan family value”?

He can sure dish it out but when he gets caught, he cant even admit it.

What a “man”. And I’m not convinced the poodle is a male.

But hey, ya know, straight folks like poodle boy have that whole moral superiority thing going.

And he/she is worried about gay marriage?

Seems like he needs to work on his ten commandments. It never mentions gay marriage.

But lying did make the top ten….

KFG, I thought you were fond of a good “boxlicker”?

HEEE HEEE, Freaking HEEE! Get on your broom and ride!!!!

As Abraham Lincoln said:

“Boxlock” is lying scum.

Read your history, people!!

And, as Jesus said:

Blessed are the weak in integrity, for that is “Boxlock’s” only hope — Matthew 29:11

Read your Bible, people!!

As JFK said:

Ask not what “Boxlock” can do for you, ask what you can do for “Boxlock.”

And here’s what we all can do for “Boxlock”:

We can understand his idiocy. Accept it and forgive him and give us our compassion.

And operate on his brain.

Well we have to forgive Boxy.

He is having a bad day.

In between the rants of his con masters, came news today.

From Kansas, Utah, all over America, came gay people to California to be married.

And they were.

Like I said last night. America is changing. Old prejudices are dying.

Old ideologies too.

J R sings….

“Hit me with your best shot. Why don’t you hit me with your best shot?

Hit me with your best shot. Fire away!”

dance poodle anti, dance!

correction — Tories

Would you just look at the mountain being made out of a mole hill, of course it was a mistake, I already said that. It was something I received and passed on, not for WHO said it as much as WHAT it said. There was never an attempt to deceive.
And think about it, if able to preform that function, everyone of you that think a misquote is of this major importance on this blog should simply read the crap coming out of your own mouths.
Just exactly as I said “you are petty people with petty minds.
Post content attributed to:
William Boetcker
(1873-1962) German-born Presbyterian clergyman
Date: 1916
Source:
often falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln:
http://www.cincinnatiskeptics.org/blurbs/lincoln-cannots.html”

Get that brain dead critics, “often falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln”, and so it was with me, I received it wrong and even did a check on Snopes which provided nothing.
You all prove yourselves to be petty, very very petty little people of little character. You make it important because you have NOTHING of greater importance about you. But you know that, that’s why you cling to this nothing. The ONLY reason you make such a big deal out of this is because you have nothing else of importance to say, ha, because you are petty.
Just as Regular points out, “Lot of energy wasted on pointing out a misquote.” You have nothing in your lives but petty efforts, so this is what you do.
You are to be pitied, but you are so consistently detestable that is hard.

No nitwit that is not what happened.
1. I slept just fine and am in fact late leaving now for appointments.
2. That was “often falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln”.
3. The comment, ““And they say Abe wouldn’t be a Republican today! Better study history a little harder!!”” was a part of what I received, I did not add that as my comment.
As I said Monkey….you are petty and have nothing of greater importance about you you occupy your time.
I’m glad I can, with so very little effort, do so.

“Your is a cut-and-paste…”

should be:

“Yours is a …”

You know that.

But I suspect “Boxlock” is desperate this morning.

Now Boxlock knows what its like to get slammed on for posting a bummer from an email LOL Somehow it was just great for others to do the same thing when I posted one of those recently, Boxlock… All of your buddies jumped my case for a whole day over a gaffe I made with an email… You should remember that… You helped them!!!

Karma is good!!

Monkey, you should know garbage, you are the prime example.
For some strange reason you and the other jackels think you are handing me a whipping over simply passing on a misquote, one NOTED in fact for the frequency with which it is. Got news for you, your wrong again as usual.
I am astounded, but shouldn’t be, by your utter shallowness and lack of character making such a big deal out of that. I in fact am keeping this up because you continue to show how immature and lacking in substance you are, and want everyone else to see it. MonkeyHawk you are a monkey, that can be made to do tricks for little reward, along with WS, Chas, kfg, and of course BlueJay is simply a $1.50 cent level thief. Don’t know how much lower a human can take themselves, but keep it up and we’ll see.

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Don’t risk more than you can lose on these stocks, that’s why i’m only investing a grand.

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do the math, much better than slots right!!!!

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