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Little Change in Iraq:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/13/AR2008061302019.html?wpisrc=newsletter
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http://www.sierraclub.org/
Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them doggies movin’ Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart’s calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’, be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!
Set ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, let ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in Rawhide.
It’s getting harder and harder to understand where John McCain stands on energy. Here’s his story, just this year:
First he was against all subsidies. Then his policy staff told us that solar and wind did, after all, need tax credits even though McCain had voted against these. Then he was against subsidies again, except that there weren’t enough of them for nuclear in the Warner-Lieberman climate change bill, so he couldn’t support it. But he was definitely for renewables, efficiency, and for serious action on global warming.
Then, today in Richmond, a donor offered him an entirely new version of his position, which McCain promptly embraced. McCain was gung-ho about nuclear power and expanded domestic drilling for oil and natural gas. When a donor in Richmond summed up his advice as “nuclear, and drill wherever we’ve got it,” McCain responded: “You just gave my speech. Thank you, my friend.”
This new position contradicts all previous versions of McCain’s stated energy goals, makes doing anything meaningful about global warming impossible, and puts McCain solidly in the “all-oil, 24/7″ Bush wing of American politics.
The Troops – McCains Horrific Voting Record
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559
Other then the obvious that contrary to the claim that we were not going to stay in Iraq.
Part of the problem that Bush is having is that he is treating Iraq as a “war Prize”. Dictating the conditions for our continued presents there. It like a burglar whom has broken into your house and than argues the conditions for him to stay.
I am not sure just whom the Administration hopes to fool, Bush claimed yesterday that the intent is not to set up an agreement that is binding to the next Administration. Yet he want to increase the number of permanent bases to over fifty. The agreement that we are operating under expires in December, that means what that the agreement that Bush is want would cover only to January when the new Administration is sworn in?
Damn those unruly Iraqis home owner not wanting to share their house with the burglar!
Don’t they understand we are America and entitled to have anything we decide we want.
“Don’t they understand we are America and entitled to have anything we decide we want.”
LOL W D — How right you are!!
With the President, House and Senate bought and paid for by business, we, as the average American, don’t stand a chance in hell of correcting the problem. For instance, when the bankruptcy laws were changed to keep out the little people (70% of the population), banks and financial institutions poured millions into the financial committees political coffer. Could have one possibly expected any other outcome?
How much are the lobbies spending every year? In 1998, 1.45 billion; in 2007, double that. And in a presidential year? Ridiculous.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php
Remember the Abramoff scandal, and how Washington was going to nip that influence peddling in the bud? . . . . . . . . . . . . . still waiting . . . . . .
Nope, us wee people have been, and are still being, screwed by both business and Washington. Can you say Bear Stearns? How about Enron. And these greedy businesses are just getting started. With a credit crunch in full swing, maybe people will finally realize the credit card industry, and respective financial institutions, are ruining this country. But I seriously doubt it.
When the savings rate is a negative number in this country, we’re in trouble, and all the credit in the world ain’t going to change it. In fact, it can only make it worse. Bite the bullet and pay cash, get out of the credit loop, and become an independent person. Now ain’t that an idea!
What’s with the wacked out Left and Communist style propoganda posters? Don’t bother with the story. Check out the photo and some of the comments.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-10-ohio-lethal-injection_N.htm?csp=34
This guys got no business being a judge.
Cheney’s false comment on oil drilling attacked
Vice President Cheney criticized for saying falsely China is drilling for oil off Florida
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Cheney_s_false_comment_on_oil_drill_06132008.html
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Interesting story. Seems the Republicans will use anything to further their obsession with oil.
I’ll make this observation: Let the oil companies drill for oil off the coast. But make them either donate, or use, their own money in massive research projects on new energy production NOT using oil. Have an oversight committee, composed of bipartisan members of congress, with NO interference allowed by any energy company. A completely sealed committee, whose only job is to oversee the energy projects.
If anyone believes that could happen, pass me some of that sh** you’re smoking.
The last I heard is that Iraq is refusing to let us build any permanet bases there.
Do you mean that Dick Cheney made statements based on erroneous intelligence, JMWalker?
Dick Cheney?
Tell me it isn’t so!
Funny thing about those pictures in the USA Today link… They look exactly like those “phonied up” pictures from Obama’s Supposed Houston office headquarters, which were later proven to be false… Wonder how those same two pictures now show up on the Judge’s wall??? Notice how the wall pictures are a bit fuzzy… while the judge’s picture is crystal clear??
Have to agree Chas – looks like a photoshop job.
And also — Why is the Ohio judge any worse than the judges in Tennessee who made the same ruling… upheld by the SCOTUS?? And Tennessee had to change their lethal injection formula??
Sure does, Ben, and evidently USA Today bought it hook, line, and sinker!!
“Notice how the wall pictures are a bit fuzzy”
It is possible to produce that effect, Chas, with a digital SLR set to a wide open aperture – the depth of field would be very shallow. I have a non-digital SLR combined with a very fast 1.2f 50mm lens that can take pictures like that.
That having been said, I seriously doubt that a judge or any public official has a framed photo of Che on the wall in his office.
Chas I’m sorry to say but that Che photo in the Obama headquarters was real. The photo was a screenshot of a news report, which obviously was not photoshopped.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5700252&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
PMama — This caption was also included…
“The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.
Funny thing is: This is still a free (kinda) country, where a person can believe anything they want. I may not agree with their decision, but I’ll respect it. So if some judge wants to believe Che was some kind of here, let him.
Whatever is going on there, I think the “Smear Obama” campaign is running full bore!! And I think Obama will not be as naive as John Kerry was four years ago!!
Only 21 deep water drilling rigs in the world!!!!
Bloomberg is reporting how Petrobras, the state-owned Brazilian oil company, has leased around 80% of the world’s deep water offshore drilling oil rigs. The rigs can drill in water approaching 10,000 feet in depth. Currently, the world has a supply of 21 such rigs that are capable of such depths.
Given the need for increased supply to meet current demand (which is slightly outstripping supply), producers are moving to more deep water exploration. While placing rigs under contract can be expensive, it can also give Petrobras a strategic advantage. Not only will they have more ability to tap resources that may end up being extensive, the company is also forcing competitors to pay higher rents for available rigs, in some cases as much as $50,000 more per day. The contract rates Petrobras currently has in place range from $410,000 to $580,000 per day. Truly amazing. Who is the big winner? Possibly Transocean (RIG), the world’s largest offshore driller. Petrobras is attempting to extend its leases with Transocean 3 years beyond current expiration dates.
by David Enke (Bull Bear Trader)
JMWalker — I encountered a couple of Liberal types a few weeks back, who were somewhat confused… They were equating Che with Cesar Chavez, and the farm worker movement… Didnt understand what all the fuss over Che was about… when they found out — they were quite shocked!! LOL Sometimes the Liberals are pretty badly isolated from what is happening… That problem needs some real attention…
JM
“So if some judge wants to believe Che was some kind of here(o), let him.”
You shouldnt be able to tell a judges politics from his rulings on the bench or from a visit to his office.
If you were up on drug charges would you feel better if the judge had Che pictures, or if the judge had John Wayne pictures on his wall?
It dont matter which party a person is affiliated with, they all lie to get their agenda’s passed.
The picture looks legit. One way to tell is to zoom in on the edge boundaries between contrasting colors, and compare the similarities in anti-aliasing from one edge to another. The boundaries between the man’s head and the Che poster, and between his tie and his shirt, for example, are consistent.
Heckler,
So Scalia shouldn’t ever be seen standing next to a crucifix, or a Bible, ever again?
Okay, I’ll buy that.
thomwittless
Neither a crucifix nor a Bible denote a particular party or political tendency.
This Judge either worships a murdering coward, or he’s totally ignorant of not so distant history. Neither one of these gives me faith that he’d make a good judge.
hey Tom! LTNS!
Jesus WEPT heckie!
“Neither a crucifix nor a Bible denote a particular party or political tendency.”
I heartily disagree.
Uh, let’s see. If a gay person is brought up on charges, you think they’d rather see a poster of Che! or a Bible and a picture of Terry, Joe and Fred?
Che and his followers never tried to kill me or mine.
Christians? Not so much…
Come on Farm girl,
You’ve got Che with an AK47 and a Christian with a Bible.
Which one are you really afraid of?
You’re starting to sound as nutty as the rest of the libs.
KFG
There’s plenty of prominent clergy of all stripes who are all out collectivists.
I’ve noticed of late in many statements of the Pope and other prominent Catholic clergy a decidedly socialist bent.
KFG
“If a gay person is brought up on charges, you think they’d rather see a poster of Che! or a Bible and a picture of Terry, Joe and Fred?”
Commies were pretty tough on OTH’s (other than hetero’s) from what I’ve heard. The worst Terry and Joe would do would be try to save you. Fred, he tends toward the commie in his politics. But I don’t think you have to worry about him until your dead and are being buried. But then you really don’t have to worry about him.
Something to ponder — not argue about –
IF God is all powerful, and All loving… Then why does God need a “lake of fire” for judgment?? Why not just wave the Divine arms of Grace, and wipe out Sin forever??
Gotta go for now — be back later!!
Have a good day y’all!!
Ya, that Che Gueverra poster thing with the Judge is not Photoshopped, I can zoom in 25000X with a program and the white hairs on the Judge’s hair are crisp and clean, no adjustments.
Chas
“Why not just wave the Divine arms of Grace, and wipe out Sin forever??”
Well I’m pretty sure if you read the Bible it says that that day will come.
But earning the grace of God doesnt mean much if there is no sin or evil. It requires no effort or sacrifice.
Just my $.02USD.
“Chas” offers –
“IF God is all powerful, and All loving… Then why does God need a “lake of fire” for judgment?? Why not just wave the Divine arms of Grace, and wipe out Sin forever??”
See, “Chas.” That’s why “Nathaniel” and the others think you’re not “Christian.” You ask questions and all they want from religion is answers. Lord knows, there are plenty of Con men who’ll conjure up answers in return for “love offerings.”
Chas
Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
Something to ponder — not argue about –
IF God is all powerful, and All loving… Then why does God need a “lake of fire” for judgment?? Why not just wave the Divine arms of Grace, and wipe out Sin forever??
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Why don’t you ask God when you get to the ‘lake of fire?” :)
Strange — Doing a search on USA Today.com, I cannot get that article linked above to come up…. Wonder what that means??
Heckler, you dont EARN Grace..
Regular, I explicitly said, something to PONDER… not ARGUE about?? Reading comprehension a bit slow today??
I know Monkey — sad isnt it??
If you were up on drug charges would you feel better if the judge had Che pictures, or if the judge had John Wayne pictures on his wall?
I’d prefer photos of the judge’s family or a nice landscape.
Chas,
Your question is one I’ve asked myself often. All I can think is that Heckler may be right, although I doubt he’s able to translate from the original text. Perhaps God only loves those who believe in him. Then again, doesn’t the Bible state that God loves even the sinner?
Damn if you do, and damned if you don’t. ;)
Okay, I’ve been running some things through my head lately, and maybe someone can explain the questions I have.
(That first “damn” above should’ve been “damned” btw)
First question:
Where is heaven located?
I can understand how those who were around during both the Old and New Testaments might have believed that it was up in the sky. But we now know that once one gets past the pretty blue and the white clouds (those clouds that the angels are on in paintings), there’s darkness…and more planets and stars. So is God outside or inside of the universe, and just where?
Second question, related to first:
Where is hell? That lake of fire? Middle Earth? But, but, if God created the universe and there’s that possibility that we are not the only living beings, does each planet or whatever have its own hell? Or is hell like heaven and “out there” somewhere?
It’s like the age old puzzle of God always having been and always will be. When I was a kid, that used to blow my mind. I’m far from being a kid now, but it’s still very hard to grasp.
I’m also not sure that God made Man in his image. It’s more believable that Man made God in his. (Or in the image of Zeus, with that white beard and all.)
Really, I’d appreciate any ideas of the location f heaven and hell.
Someone who knows how to save money, or someone who spends uncontrollably?
Senators John McCain and Barack Obama released their Senate financial disclosure statements on Friday, revealing that Mr. McCain and his wife had at least $225,000 in credit card debt and that Mr. Obama and his wife had put more than $200,000 into college funds for their daughters.
I know the McCains are richer than god, but I cannot fathom how you can run up that much credit card debt. But then, I can’t fathom how I could ever get a $225,000 credit limit.
Chas
“Heckler, you dont EARN Grace..”
OK, you playing grammar police today?
How about earn Gods favor.
Chas
Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
Regular, I explicitly said, something to PONDER… not ARGUE about?? Reading comprehension a bit slow today??
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Then ponder on being in “lake of fire” when you ask that question. :)
“Really, I’d appreciate any ideas of the location of heaven and hell.”
Easy.
Hell is being stuck on an elevator for all eternity with McCluer, Rossell, Max and Boxlock.
Heaven is Halle Berry. (For guys, women have to make their own choice.)
“Predestined” asks –
“Where is heaven located?”
East of Tulsa somewhere.
“Where is hell?”
Tulsa.
“I’m also not sure that God made Man in his image. It’s more believable that Man made God in his. (Or in the image of Zeus, with that white beard and all.)”
Yeah. Mark Twain wrote, “God created Man in His own image… and Man returned the compliment.”
As much as I’m entertained by those Jack Chick tracts which depict “God” as a huge faceless guy sitting in a big throne, I also would like to have seen the look on Jerry Falwell’s face when he showed up on Judgment Day before a double helix DNA molecule. (With a beard, of course. And wearing robes. Sort of like “The Big Lebowski.”)
Ahem. I wouldnt mind being stuck in an elevator with Halle. Although I’d prefer Portia…
“the look on Jerry Falwell’s face when he showed up on Judgment Day ”
Better yet, when he showed up and God was an African American lesbian from New Orleans.
“Ahem. I wouldnt mind being stuck in an elevator with Halle”
Sorry, Ms. Grrl, I got first dibs.
…well that discussion went to hell in a hurry.
Heaven?
Well in my limited travels…
Rocky Mountain National park.
Hell?
Wichita is Purgatory.
And here we go again…………………..
“Bush, Sarkozy united against Iran nuke regime – Iran snubs offer to halt uranium enrichment; Tehran gets warning”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25160269
This time, the French are our allies – who wudda thunk?
The Iranian President, Ahmadickhead, is all talk, with no power. The Imams hold the power and Ahmadickhead is just a figurehead.
The Imams are not going to provoke a war.
“God was an African American lesbian from New Orleans.”
heheheh!
I think the complete discription is ” a single mother on welfare, in a wheelchair, over 65, who is also an African American lesbian from New Orleans”
heheheheh.
And perhaps, a Democrat?
Nawwwwww. God is really Cynthia McKinney, and boy, is she PISSED!
I think Heaven is in Austin.
Hell, is everywhere else…
Heckler
Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
Chas
“Heckler, you dont EARN Grace..”
OK, you playing grammar police today?
How about earn Gods favor.
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Nope, Heckler — According to Paul, God’s Grace is UNmerited (unearned) Favor!! It’s a FREE GIFT!!
…and in other news… Queen Latifa could put her big shoes under my table ANY. TIME.
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http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5706
“After the state of California overturned a ban on gay marriages, many expected a rash of same-sex marriages to be scheduled in the state. On the celeb side of things, it seems that Queen Latifah will be amongst the first big stars to marry her longterm partner.
According to this week’s edition of the National Enquirer, Queen Latifah plans to marry her partner of five years, personal trainer Jeannette Jenkins.
….
Neither Queen Latifah nor her partner have ever officially come out. Queen Latifah has, however, given her special friend attention and treatment that suggests they’re more than just good friends. Last year she bought Jeannette a Range Rover, and had it delivered to a restaurant to surprise her.
According to the National Enquirer, the couple are “planning an intimate ceremony with close famiy and friends.” They are also reportedly interested in adopting an American baby.”
Someone else noted this:
“Its great to see a new role model emerging for gay black Americans – about time I say”
I agree. Now if mclurkin would just be honest, and if Condi and HER girlfriend would tie the knot…
And ya know, Condi and her girl own a house together, share a credit card, and claim residence in California!
Well, I can see its just another Flame and Troll day for Regular and his buddies… Glad its almost time for baseball!!
Bye for now!!
“According to the National Enquirer”, 500lb alien babies ar in Brazil.
ar=are
Jealous Anti?
The government receives from about 11% to about 30+% (depending upon the state – http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp) on every gallon of gasoline and diesel taxes are more.
Where is the outrage about that?
“Where is the outrage about that?”
Do you drive on local, state or interstate roads?
If you do, you have nothing to complain about.
Galatians 6:7:
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
God’s Wrath Against Mankind
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Timothy 5
17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.
18 For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain,”[b] and “The worker deserves his wages.”
19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.
20Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
“God is a Concept by which we measure our pain”
John Lennon
The important question to ask is, if you believe in heaven, do you also believe in hell?
Heaven, according to God’s word, does not exist without a hell.
“if you believe in heaven”
Who are you asking?
ksfarmgrrl,
National Inquirer?
Gossip much?
Assumptions?
Justification of status by someone else’s possible outage?
Sad.
Abnormal is now normal?
Bad is now Good?
God save the USA.
LOL, lets settle this religion question once and for all today on this blog!!!
“Abnormal is now normal?”
Homosexuality is abnormal to you, and even to perhaps the majority of Americans, but that does not make it abnormal – it just means that you and others have an opinion.
And the truth is, it is an opinion that is wrong.
“LOL, lets settle this religion question once and for all today on this blog!!!”
Okay, you first!
“American” gives us stream-of-consciousness worthy of a meth addict drinking Jolt Cola with –
National Inquirer?
Gossip much?
Assumptions?
Justification of status by someone else’s possible outage?
Sad.
Abnormal is now normal?
Bad is now Good?
God save the USA.”
Oh—kay…
Now let’s look at the Rorschach tests….
(Here’s a tip: Never answer “two birds kissing” when taking a Rorschach test.)
“WSClark
Posted June 14, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
“if you believe in heaven”
Who are you asking?”
Anyone who cares to answer, since it was not addressed to one.
John Lennon won’t be able to answer.
His concept of god is laced with psychedelic drugs, Hare-Krishna chants, and Hinduism.
Moneyhawk,
I didn’t know you spoke in gibberish.
“Imagine there is no god”
“American” lobs in a room-service fastball with –
Moneyhawk,
I didn’t know you spoke in gibberish.
Funny.
I knew you did from your first post.
(That’s all my time. I’ll be here all week. Tip the veal and try the servers!)
American.
Keep it up.
Your posts are the epitome of why the holier than thou Christian Right turns off so many people.
“Imagine there is no god”
Sigh, try actually listening to the song.
“Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today…
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one”
Where does it say, imagine no God?
ksagnostic,
I portend not that I am holy, but only that God is.
God is not left or right, as man sees it.
God is.
Which way do you choose, affirmer or denier?
“His concept of god is laced with psychedelic drugs, Hare-Krishna chants, and Hinduism.”
John Lennon stopped using heroin and LSD in about 1970. He was not a devotee of Krishna (that was George Harrison) and was not inspired by Hinduism.
So, did you have a point?
Imagine there’s no heaven……..
No hell below us……….
With no heaven or hell, there is no God of the scripture.
That is what John’s main point was in his song.
Again, based upon his concept of god which was laced with psychedelic drugs, Hare-Krishna chants, and Hinduism.
The “American” Creed –
“I portend not that I am holy, but only that God is.
God is not left or right, as man sees it.
God is.
Which way do you choose, affirmer or denier?”
Yes.
American, your understanding of Biblical beliefs is soo full of flaws… But, each to their own… Whatever you want to believe!!
Blessings ALL!!
American, I care not whaty your beliefs are, but please at least get your facts straight…
“Again, based upon his concept of god which was laced with psychedelic drugs, Hare-Krishna chants, and Hinduism.”
In Re: Lennon THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT!!!
“Again, based upon his concept of god which was laced with psychedelic drugs, Hare-Krishna chants, and Hinduism.”
Apparently, you can’t read – try the post above.
“With no heaven or hell, there is no God of the scripture.”
The scriptures were written 3500 – 2000 years ago. How are they more relevant than John Lennon?
Both had their opinion of what God was, both had their opinion of Heaven and Hell. Both were written my man.
I am not saying that I believe in John Lennon, but how is his opinion different than that of Timothy or Saul or Peter?
Belief in God is dependent on believing in heaven or hell?? WOW… a revolutionary and non-biblical statement… Zoroastrian maybe…??
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Chas
Posted June 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
Something to ponder — not argue about –
IF God is all powerful, and All loving… Then why does God need a “lake of fire” for judgment?? Why not just wave the Divine arms of Grace, and wipe out Sin forever??
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If God would just wipe out sin, how could we have free will?
Outlander — Can you define for us your concept of the consequences of Free Will??
BTW, there is a reason for my question… ok??
Chas: Consequences depend upon choices. You have choices because of free will.
Perhaps you would like to take a shot at my question.
WS,
So do you believe that John Lennon, because he was more contemporary than the biblical Timothy, Saul (who became Paul) or Peter, he is more correct, because of his belief being more current?
Please note: Timothy, Paul and Peter all had a direct earthly releationship with Jesus Christ.
Chas,
Again, as you are well known for, you jump to conclusions.
If there is no heaven or hell, does not mean that God doesn’t exist, you are correct.
God doesn’t require a heaven or a hell, but he created both, as well as a physical or material creation. It was as a reflection of Him, with man being his image-bearer.
outlander, if I may:
In agnostic’s case, he has the choice of being a denier or an affirmer of God.
He needs to make a decision.
That is his free will.
Consequences are an outcome of that decision.
American — THIS is your statement, not mine…
“With no heaven or hell, there is no God of the scripture.”
ksagnostic is whom I am referring to.
There is no heaven or hell…only man’s inability to accept that he’s mortal and that when he’s dead, he’s really dead.
To believe in a book that was written by man(men?) 2,000 yrs ago is absurd to me, but neccessary for those who need the threat of eternal damnation to do what’s right. Religion is a part of every culture to keep us from being total assholes…but it certainly doesn’t work for everyone…all you have to do is read this blog for awhile to see that!
“So do you believe that John Lennon, because he was more contemporary than the biblical Timothy, Saul (who became Paul) or Peter, he is more correct, because of his belief being more current?”
Nope, all had their opinions.
“Please note: Timothy, Paul and Peter all had a direct earthly releationship with Jesus Christ.”
Paul never met Jesus and the others claimed a relationship, as if that would make a difference.
Why is Paul or Timothy’s word better than John Lennon’s?
Why is the Bible the absolute truth and what John Lennon wrote is not?
Because the Bible tells you so?
How convenient – the Bible says that it is the Word of God because it says so.
Why not just do the right thing?
Pretty simple, it would seem.
But people either don’t do the right thing or do the wrong thing rightly or do the right thing wrongly ot both-were-right-but-both-were-wrong and…
Just what is the ADVANTAGE of free will?
Whose live wouldn’t be better if everything you encountered were considered “God’s Will,” and you really believed it? You’d come across a gay couple that wants to marry and you’d accept it as “God’s Will.” Or a 13-year-old pregnant victim of incest was desperate to retrieve some semblance of a normal life for a 13-year-old?
It all comes down to this grade school playground bully (”God”) who has the power to bestow free will or damn you for taking advantage of it, just like He likes to rip the wings off of butterflies.
Somehow, I feel better about believing in a God who’s better than that.
I remember Thomas Jefferson’s quote: “I tremble for my country when I think that God is just.”
Sometimes I think God is just… watching.
Why should God get involved when folks such as “Nathaniel” are ready and willing to step up and determine who is or isn’t a “Christian”?
“Take the afternoon off, God. ‘Nathaniel’s’ taking over the judgment duties and Tim Russert wants to dicsuss his plea bargain.”
Technically, Free Will is the antipathy of Predestination… It is “theological language” and not as you assume…
IF there is truly Free Will… then the question becomes, How can God punish the individual who exercises the Free Will to NOT believe… If GOD gives free will, how/why would God punish someone for exercising that gift?? It’s complicated…. too much so for the Blog, I think…
I say too complicated for the Blog, because there are literally libraries full of books on Free Will vs. predestination…
Chas
Posted June 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
American, your understanding of Biblical beliefs is soo full of flaws… But, each to their own… Whatever you want to believe!!
Blessings ALL!!
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How dare you American have different beliefs from Chas!
And those beliefs with flaws!
No one, but Chas is entitled to have their own beliefs!
:roll:
“It was as a reflection of Him, with man being his image-bearer.”
Now that’s a f**king scary thought!
Are you sure the dinosaurs don’t better represent the image of God? Afterall, they were here a lot longer than us. They didn’t destroy the earth and I don’t think they killed unless they were truly hungry..and for sure they didn’t drop bombs or blow each other up other for oil, land, and power.
I think the best statement I ever heard on Free Will is that without Free Will, we are but pawns, in a huge Divine Chess Game…
Biblical definiton of Free Will defined:
“Whosoever believes in me, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Looks pretty much to be free will to me.
Chas,
I say ““With no heaven or hell, there is no God of the scripture.””, because God did create them, as testified by his Word, so to deny that heaven or hell exists, is a denial that God exists, because he created them both.
WS: You are free not believe the Bible. You are free to equate John Lennon with John the Baptist.
Christianity is based on Christ risen. If Lennon shows up alive singing “Imagine”, let me know.
Flame on Regular… you got it wrong anyway!!
Chas
Posted June 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
Flame on Regular… you got it wrong anyway!!
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I know Chas, I don’t believe the same way you do. :)
Besides, you are never wrong.
I didnt say that, but FLAME ON you friggin retard!!
“You are free to equate John Lennon with John the Baptist.”
You are being willfully disingenuous, Mr. Outlander, because I never even came close to making that assertion.
Don’t put words in my mouth, knowing that I never said that.
I do not believe the REAL answer to Free Will VS Predestination will be solved in THIS lifetime… Very simple… However, the discussions will continue as long as life exists!! LOL
“And those beliefs with flaws!”
Why are you butting in on a conversation, McCluer?
Didn’t you condemn me for “butting in” just the day before yesterday?
So why are you doing it?
Why are you butting in Clark?
“If Lennon shows up alive singing “Imagine”, let me know.”
And when did I suggest that Lennon was Christ?
“Why are you butting in Clark?”
I was already here and part of the discussion, McLiar, you just horned in like you own the Blog.
Regular, I did NOT say American was not free to his beliefs… In Fact, I said he could believe whatever he wanted… You cant show different, so SHUT UP!! I dont recall addressing the comments to you anyway…
Clark, it was only yesterday when Regular told you not to butt in… but, thats OK… it wont stop him… LOL
I have been doing my best to try to keep this discussion AWAY from a “right or wrong” type of thing… and instead keep in in the area of open discussion… opinions… etc.
If you dont want to take part in such, why not find a different thread?? Instead of trying to mess up a neat discussion board??
No one accused you of anything WS. You used your free will to make that assumption.
Well, I guess it was an exercise in futility… But, I tried!! Y’all Flail On, and have your fun!! I’m not playing!!
Have we settled this religion thing, yet?
Ya know the Koran has a lot of text about Mary, the mother of Jesus. She is held in very high regard in the Muslim Holy book.
See http://www.sol.com.au/kor/22_02.htm
“Even more surprising is the Koran’s reverence for Mary, mother of Christ. Muhammad (and also in later Islamic theological scriptures) regarded Mary as the most marvellous of all women, a high adept and living example of the pure and holy life. Later Koranic commentaries describe Mary as an intervening force between God (Allah) and humanity. This intervening force is characterised by Allah’s mercy, forgiveness, sweetness and humility- the embodiment of Allah’s love for creation.
When Muhammad retook Mecca he began a programme of removing the pagan influences from the Kaaba, the most holy of Muslim sites. He removed many frescoes and images that he considered inauspicious but he specifically left on the walls a fresco of the Virgin Mary and her child.”
WSClark
Posted June 14, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
“Why are you butting in Clark?”
I was already here and part of the discussion, McLiar, you just horned in like you own the Blog.
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Actually I was addressing Chas, no one else.
You just horned in the discussion between myself and Chas, now didn’t ya?
“You just horned in the discussion between myself and Chas, now didn’t ya?”
No, I had been part of a discussion that included Chas – you butted in – of course, it is always “do what I say, not as I do” with you, right McLiar?
Say, JM, how WAS Mississippi?
Ah, there Clark goes, again with the personal attacks.
He’s all yours Libs.
“Ah, there Clark goes, again with the personal attacks.”
Hmmmm……. I guess you’ll need to point out the personal attack, McCluer, because I don’t see any.
Or were you referring to your attacks on me regarding my father the other night?
bye Clark,
Oh, and my nick is not McLiar and yes I went to Mississippi for a short time.
I cannot make one post on this blog without some Lib attacking or harrassing me.
“Oh, and my nick is not McLiar and yes I went to Mississippi for a short time.”
Your nic is not McLiar TODAY, but it might be tomorrow.
Or it could be Fred or Barney or Wilma or Dino.
Who knows what it may be tomorrow?
So.. anti…american… and assorted other nics and sock puppets…
I guess you missed THIS as the link for the Queen Latifa story? Yes, it quoted the Enquirer, but the SOURCE was this:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5706
Besides, even a stopped clock like the Enquirer is right twice a day.
Asking again. Are you jealous? OR afraid?
probably both.
“The bible is true because the bible says it’s true?”
heheheh.
I love the smell of tautology in the afternoon…
Well I’ll be damned! I didn’t know Queen Latifa was gay. After reading the article, I’d say her partner is a fox.
Hey Butch, a question:
Is there a secret rule among lesbian couples that one has to be fat and the other one skinny?
Just asking.
“Hey Butch, a question”
Phuck off, Nano, you ain’t even close to being funny.
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WSClark
Posted June 14, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink
“Hey Butch, a question”
Phuck off, Nano, you ain’t even close to being funny.
Clark, you take yourself waaaaay too seriously.
Unlike most of the posters on this blog.
“Clark, you take yourself waaaaay too seriously.”
Nope, I never take MYSELF seriously, I just take idiotic, sexist, homophobic comments about friends seriously.
Dumbass.
Striped icebergs…
http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/stripedicebergs.asp
Regular, your link….
Way cool!
ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 14, 2008 at 6:12 pm | Permalink
So.. anti..
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Yes I am jealous, that is a fine piece of “Black Tail”…I am sure you are familiar with the mag. KFG.
HEEE HEEEE HEEEE, and such. :)
I always like Queen Latifa’s positive attitude.
Sheesh does the Bible have a lot of such silly writing?
“And he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.”
How silly.
Heh let me help…
And yay J R did pay for eight bags of topsoil, but the numeber he did load in his truck was nine. For he was filled with vengeful wrath that there were none to help him with the labor.
And he was without remorse for his transgression, even as he parked in the fire lane to work it.
Heh JR.
It appears to be poodle dancing at the Blue Iguana tonight!
National gasoline prices hit $4/gallon last week. And the last of the auto industry’s chickens came home to roost. General Motors closed four more assembly plants that had been making trucks and SUVs and said it might dump its Hummer brand.
This brings the total (and avoidable) economic carnage from Detroit’s unwillingness to modernize its fleet a decade ago to 35 assembly plants and 35 parts manufacturers in just three years. The industry now concedes that consumer preferences have changed “irrevocably.”
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer lambasted the industry and the government, pointing out that by letting the oil market, instead of preventive taxes and regulation, end the SUV era, we committed economic suicide: “Unfortunately, instead of hiking the price ourselves by means of a gasoline tax that could be instantly refunded to the American people in the form of lower payroll taxes, we let the Saudis, Venezuelans, Russians and Iranians do the taxing for us — and pocket the money that the tax would have recycled back to the American worker.”
Krauthammer doesn’t agree with us about the need for fuel-efficiency standards — he thinks that gas taxes alone would have done the job. But his basic point is right. We’re now transferring to petro-states hundreds of billions of dollars a year that we could have kept at home. We’re also stuck with a whole decade’s worth of gas-guzzling vehicles that no one can afford to drive and that will almost certainly remain a major drag on millions of household budgets for years to come.
If Detroit were rational and thought about the long-term interests of the United States, Krauthammer might be right that gas prices alone would be enough. But instead the industry has demonstrated that it is wildly irrational. Its long-term vision doesn’t extend farther than moving assembly plants to Mexico, something that Ford is already doing with a new Fiesta assembly line.
So it’s a major problem that the Bush administration is about to adopt fuel-efficiency rules that assume that the price of gasoline will drop all the way back to $2.45 a gallon. That assumption sets a fuel-efficiency standard of 31 mpg as the best the auto industry can do by 2015. But the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) admits that if it were to assume $3.40 a gasoline, the industry could easily reach 35 mpg by 2015. NHTSA should regulate on the basis of reality, not fantasy. We need more cars sooner that get better gas mileage. Tell NHTSA that Detroit should speed up their manufacture.
Auto-making communities and workers, as well as auto drivers, are paying dearly for Detroit’s fuel obsession with high-markup, technically outmoded, behemoth trucks and SUVs. Our economy has been devastated by Detroit’s admitted assumption that gasoline could “never” cost more than $2.50/gallon — we shouldn’t condemn ourselves to another decade of avoidable pain and inefficiency — the world can’t afford it.
You said it kfg.
I get a couple more beers in me and I’ll have some real fun with King James posting.
KFG, if the poodle dancing is at the Blue Iguana then is the kitty dance at the Rusty Snatch? HEEE HEEE, Get on your broom and ride!!!
that was mean, and I am sorry KFG.
BlueJay, if you are looking to expand your business further let me know. I can’t stand your attitude, but if you are busting your ass and doing a good job, I have an idea…..$$$$. I have a good deal of landscaping experience myself and would like to return to it.
It is honest work
Dance poodle, Dance!
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BlueJay
Posted June 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
And yay J R did pay for eight bags of topsoil, but the numeber he did load in his truck was nine. For he was filled with vengeful wrath that there were none to help him with the labor.
And he was without remorse for his transgression, even as he parked in the fire lane to work it.
That would make J R a thief.
Of the common variety.
And he is
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink
Dance poodle, Dance!
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I recommend WD-40 to free it up…
Oh, and you can pour all the miracle grow on it you want, but it will yield no sapling….desert as it was designed…fruitless plain.
JayBird,
Was your son there to see you stealing? Did you have him serve as “lookout”?
And J R did drink another beer. But heard he asses braying. And J R did take sinful, wicked, crooked,pleasure in their cries. And he did what ought not to be done and called unto them “Bray asses bray!” And J R did return to watching Saturday Night Live saying unto his wicked self.
18. Let the asses amuse me as the writing this season is lame.
KansasNative,
Detroit seems to only concerned about the very short-term… the next quarter’s profits. And how to maximize those, with no concern about later profits.
A very detailed report on higher efficiency is at,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
Available technology would increase mpg’s, but state-of-art vehicles are needed.
Fuel is around 1/8th of the total vehicle cost, and high fuel costs (like in Europe) have been insufficient to produce state-of-art vehicles.
They list other ideas that would help — feebates, retooling loan guarantees, various “carrots”, etc.
It appears to be a bad day for J R and ANTI
BlueJayPosted June 14, 2008 at 9:25 pm
“I get a couple more beers in me and I’ll have some real fun with King James posting.”
How much money are you spending on beer that could be spent on your son’s health insurance you said he doesn’t have, or on other needed things for him?
BlueJay, that’s not love of your son.
Or, maybe you could consider paying for what you take, like the top soil you stole. And then rationalizing your theft in that nobody was there to load for you.
BlueJay, do you ever do anything for yourself but steal from people, drink beer, and neglect your son? And your pride in your crime, unbelievable.
Sorry, to be so frank, but you are disgusting.
kfg singing her “Dance poodle, Dance!” mantra.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1478373106050986932pllLhU
Boxlicker,
Do you ever do anything but act like a concern troll, fantasize about taking your revenge on the posters you detest, and neglect your family and grandchildren in favor of hateful venting on the WeBlog? Thought not. Just asking.
Sorry to be so frank, but you are pathetic.
Boxlock,
Ha Ha! That was how I first pictured her in my mind (with a hat of course). However, she can live as she does, that is fine with me. But I do love the pic. It reminds me of the one Reg. posted of Chas & WSClark, I still get a giggle out of that one. Obviously I don’t believe that they REALLY look that way….
CF2K
Posted June 14, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink
Boxlicker,
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C3P0, I would think KFG would enjoy a good Box Licker, wouldn’t you?
KansasNative posted June 14, 2008 at 7:03 am
“Anyone wanting to find out more about a great environmental organization and how to lobby for more fuel efficient cars,contact:
http://www.sierraclub.org/ ”
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I also recommend,
http://www.nrdc.org/energy/default.asp
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/fuel_economy/
The Sierra Club, NRDC, UCS, OilEndGame, and many others show how technology can increase energy efficiency, reduce fuel costs (and demand), and reduce GHG’s.
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 13, 2008 at 1:52 am
“cosmos is a political hack of the first order of the socialistic green movement with the identical agenda of anti-technology that the Una-bomber wrote about in his manifesto.”
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ claims that he represents “Kansas values”.
That is accurate, if “Kansas values” equals lying, ignorance, stupidity, and very irrational rants.
I believe Regular is right Cosmos, I believe you are holding way to close to this belief.
I believe you are paid Cosmos. If you are not…I think you are VERY naive. I mean you have only one true source, right?
THIS SETTLES IT: If you are a black conservative, you must vote for OBAMA! Why?
Because he is black!
So, those of you who Feel skin color is the most important quality for a Presidential Candidate, and if you prefer Black vs White, then….
Vote for Obama! You black racists!
Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign By FREDERIC J. FROMMER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 14, 7:18 PM ET
Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party’s nominee.
“I don’t necessarily like his policies; I don’t like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it,” Williams said. “I can honestly say I have no idea who I’m going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that’s incredible.”
Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that the Illinois senator doesn’t sit beside them ideologically.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080614/ap_on_el_pr/black_conservatives_obama&printer=1;_ylt=AgwqNJgyO_JeMux42vZMU21h24cA
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama toured Quincy and helped fill sandbags Saturday.
“Since I’ve been involved in public office we’ve not seen this kind of devastation,” Obama said of the Midwest flooding. He vowed to push the federal and state governments to provide needed aid to the stricken areas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080614/ap_on_re_us/midwest_flooding
Obama, with his MASSIVE experience, has never seen floods like this. Not in the last 12 years or so, anyway.
The libs LOVE RACE! I mean they always bring it up! The only-est reason to vote! right?
ANTI,
Since you believe that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is “right”, why don’t you answer the questions I asked him, that he has refused to answer?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-613/#comment-368416
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-612/#comment-367981
CF,
Apparently you haven’t notice, I only go after those that start it. Usually when they go after someone else other than me in fact, as that really ‘gets my dander up’.
I have tried to ignore the repulsive posts to see if they would subside, but no, they continue, so I respond.
Not very mature I agree, but then a mature person would spend very little time in the present company of this blog anyway. Sorry, just my thoughts, and I am including myself obviously.
We all are lacking something vital to life to be here in the first place in my opinion.
And ANTI, I don’t care how she lives either, it’s her choice, her life, and her loss, but I will not have her choice forced on me or mainstream society as ‘normal’.
CF, by the way what does your nic ‘CF2K’ stand for, is that an acronym or what, just interested, it’s not a loaded question at all.
throw out the race lure…reel it in…slowly…along with all your OTHER baits….
I have not been paying much attention to the blog the last few days.
Has cosmos shown us any of his peer reviewed papers on AGW?
Has comos shown us any of his credentials?
cosmos_originally
Posted June 14, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Permalink
ANTI,
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Thank you for the All-Caps…That is how it is spelled..
Not sure on the question, but I am sure on the answer, AGW is a power play Con, set up for a sht ton of stupid sheep to believe and follow…look up german history……promote the lie long enough, it will become truth.
A lot of “scientist” said the Jews were “lesser” humans….peer reviewed in fact..
They had graphs too, cosmos.
good night, sleep tight.
ANTI posted June 14, 2008 at 11:37 pm
“I mean you have only one true source, right?”
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And what “one true source” is… ?
Download all the chapters from,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
The IPCC reports are a compilation of published, peer-reviewed climate research done worldwide.
Make a list of all the names and credentials of the scientists listed in the references.
(And there are many more scientists who are not in the IPCC reports, who agree with the reports.)
Make another list of people that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ uses — E. G. Beck, Steven Milloy, et al. And their credentials, and lack of peer-reviewed climate science research.
Then compare the two lists…
Yet, mother nature is continuing to confuse the Alarmist with natural climate variation.
Amazing how that works. El Ninjo and La Nina appear to be dominating the climate since the early 1990s, yet somehow this is an insignificant fact or should I say an inconvenient fact for the alarmists. :)
ANTI
Posted June 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm | Permalink
A lot of “scientist” said the Jews were “lesser” humans….peer reviewed in fact..
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DAMN NAZI!!!
Nathaniel,
When are you going to post your credentials, and your peer reviewed papers on AGW?
When are you going to prove to us that you are smarter, and better researched re AGW, than all of the consensus scientists?
Got your taxpayer-funded EE degree yet? Do you (incorrectly) believe that engineering degree makes you a climate scientist?
Nathaniel, since ANTI chickened out and left, why don’t you answer the questions I asked the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-613/#comment-368416
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-612/#comment-367981
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
“2007 tied 1998, which had LEAPT a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the HELP of the “El Niño of the CENTURY“.
The UNUSUAL warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a MINIMUM and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the COOL phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
Figure 1 shows 2007 temperature anomalies relative to the 1951-1980 base period mean. The global mean temperature anomaly, 0.57°C (about 1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 mean, continues the strong warming trend of the past thirty years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases (GHGs) (Hansen et al. 2007).
The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990.”
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http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-613/#comment-368416
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ posted June 12, 2008 at 7:08 pm
“I never said btw, I endorsed E.G. Beck, I just posted the article.”
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1) Then why did you say that you were inclined to believe Beck?
2) Why did you (incorrectly) claim that global CO2 was above 400 ppm in the 1940’s, and earlier?
3) Who is your source of global CO2 above 400 ppm in the 1940’s, and earlier, if it wasn’t Beck and/or Jaworowski?
4) Why did you (incorrectly) suggest that fires during WWII would cause global CO2 to rise that high?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-612/#comment-367981
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘,
1) Do you have an update on the analysis done by Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre?
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/09/deniers-rediscover-hockey-stick.html
“To be honest, this is starting to look like a great validation of GISTEMP.”
2) List the factor(s) that have caused the warming since the 1970’s.
Was it a change in Earth’s orbit? Alien spacecraft hidden by cloaking, aiming undetectable heat energy at Earth? /sarcasm off
1degree F warmer on average. Can ya feel the heat!
Of course, the 1 degree F warmer is relatively meaningless in a place like Anarctica where the temperatures average in the -20s and -30 degrees F.
And meaningless in deserts where summertime temperatures average from the high 90s to low 100F most of the time.
This means that there appears to be an affect in urbanized areas seeing an increase in temperatures.
Ever walked down a ‘rip track’ of a railroad yard? It is 10-20 degrees hotter than everywhere else because of the metal structures.
When one wants to get cool, do you go right next to a building with a concrete sidewalk around it?
Or do you go to a nice open area where the wind blows and some shade trees are located?
Using temperature averages inclusive from urban areas that dominate the number readings as an average is misleading because of the urban heat effect. It is well known among engineers that man-made structures generate heat by design. This is why they use temperature expansion slots on roads and in construction.
Lot of people in a closed room and a few people in a closed room, which room will generate more heat? duh!
And of course, the Southern Hemisphere is absolutely refusing to cooperate with the temperature increases claimed by the alarmists. But you know, countries like South America don’t really count, they are not part of the globe. :)
The debate is over.
Global warming is real. Fossil fuels use is causing or at the very least fueling it.
I cite the credentials of the deniers of global warming on this forum.
Hank Price aka HLP: Believes the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, Noah’s ark was real, and fossils were planted by God to test faith.
Nathaniel: Ditto above.
Outlander: Says his nic is based on the fact that he sees himself not of this world, but the “next”.
And finally “Regular” in the latest incarnation of many nics. Thus a proven liar. A self proclaimed professional and expert in climate science as well as many other fields who currently lives on welfare with his sister.
America? I rest my case. There are still those who say the Earth is flat. There are others who say America never landed on the Moon.
The deniers of Global warming and humanities causation/contribution to it are at odds with all credible science and scientists. They are as Shakespeare said, “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” They are on their own agenda defending their own take on faith and their own ego.
The debate is over. It is time for action.
Yeah Junior, thanks for contributing to the conversation. I noticed you didn’t include one peer reviewed report in your discussion or even attempt to talk about the facts behind the science.
Instead Junior, you use attacks on other posters.
Yeah, that’s the Climate Science we’ve all come to learn is from the Alarmist side – Hate speech and character assasination.
Now let’s us be fair James.
You have no children. (Maybe, This based on your most recent posts) Your ego in your theory about water vapor as causation for global warming is about equal with your submission to scripture which you frequently post. You are a demonstrable liar, nic switcher, blog threatener.
You have no stake in the future of this planet. Not beyond your own ego or take on faith.
I have seen you. You are a long bearded, unwashed, crippled, and as you have shown AMPLY here, demonstrable kook.
The debate is over. I treat future posts from you on this matter as no more than noise.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘,
Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre tried to show that “urban heat effect” made the GISTEMP data invalid.
AGAIN… do you have an update on their analysis?
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/09/deniers-rediscover-hockey-stick.html
“To be honest, this is starting to look like a great validation of GISTEMP.”
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘, please list some of the “man-made structures” in the upper northern latitudes on this map, where the largest amount of warming is ocurring,
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
Climate models do not predict warming in Antarctica during the near future, due to the ozone hole, and circular wind patterns.
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ is either very ignorant about climate science… or he is a huge, “Kansas values” liar.
So Junior, you still have not brought any forth any science about Climate Change and continue with the personal attacks.
When are you going to start bringing forth proof Junior?
We all know you can make up things about me, just because you can.
It’s apparent here who is on the attack side Junior and it isn’t me.
And cosmos adds yet another post adding the “Multi-nic and liar” ad hominyms for what purpose?
Evidently, cosmos cannot make his case without character assasination.
cosmos is using a politically driven science where attacking opposition ideas are met harshly with discrediting and vicious attacks.
That’s not science, that’s low ball politics.
The debate is not over, unless one considers science to be dead.
“Regular” whines –
“…cosmos cannot make his case without character assasination[sic].”
I dunno, “Regular.”
In your case it looks like an obvious case of character suicide.
And your comment MonkeyHawk was helpful how?
Where is your support for Climate Science one way or the other?
It’s much easier not to do any real thinking, now isn’t it?
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted June 15, 2008 at 1:22 am
“Evidently, cosmos cannot make his case without character assasination.”
————
Evidently, the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot make his case without “character assasination”.
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot answer my questions at 1:18 am, 12:33 am, 12:30 am, and many, many other times.
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot make his case without doing “character assasination” on all of the most qualified, peer-reviewed climate scientists worldwide.
All that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has is ad hominems against the most qualified, peer-reviewed climate scientists worldwide, and me.
Thank you, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, for proving that you are wrong… and that they, and I, am right.
PERSONAL ATTACKS are all that Regular knows how to do anymore, Cosmos… Even though he really does know better!! :-(
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
I rest my case.
It has been proven tonight that all the Libs know how to do is lowball politics filled with insult and ad hominem.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘,
No… you instead prove my case.
Science is based on scientific methodology, not “ad hominems”.
Science is about the science, not the scientists.
So again…
Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre tried to show that “urban heat effect” made the GISTEMP data invalid.
AGAIN… do you have an update on their analysis?
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/09/deniers-rediscover-hockey-stick.html
“To be honest, this is starting to look like a great validation of GISTEMP.”
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘, please list some of the “man-made structures” in the upper northern latitudes on this map, where the largest amount of warming is ocurring,
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
Climate models do not predict warming in Antarctica during the near future, due to the ozone hole, and circular wind patterns. Why does the multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ falsely imply that Antarctica should be warming?
If the multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ cannot rationally respond to the above points, he is either very ignorant about climate science… or he is a huge, “Kansas values” liar.
McIntyre wrote: (Wikipedia)
Closing the circle: my original interest in GISS adjustment procedures was not an abstract interest, but a specific interest in whether GISS adjustment procedures were equal to the challenge of “fixing” bad data. If one views the above assessment as a type of limited software audit (limited by lack of access to source code and operating manuals), one can say firmly that the GISS software had not only failed to pick up and correct fictitious steps of up to 1 deg C, but that GISS actually introduced this error in the course of their programming.
This Satellite shot demonstrates the urban island heat effect. i.e. (lights = heat(infrared) source)
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040822.html
The main conclusion is that micro- and local-scale impacts dominate the meso-scale impact of the urban heat island: many sections of towns may be warmer than rural sites, but meteorological observations are likely to be made in park “cool islands.”
How the Alarmists fiddle with temperature data to make it come out like they want.
When compiling temperature records, NASA GISS go to great pains to remove any possible influence from Urban Heat Island Effect. They compare urban long term trends to nearby rural trends. They then adjust the urban trend so it matches the rural trend. The process is described in detail on the NASA website (Hansen 2001).
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Hansen_etal.pdf
i.e., the satellite image shows where increased temperatures have occurred and they are all near populated urban centers.
Proxy data for thousands of years has not been sufficiently digitized in order to reach a comprehensive solution of comparing modern day temperature readings with those of the past to show that the current warming is unusual.
The smoothing of curves and making data “fit” is bad science and statistical gathering. McIntyre has already shown that computer software was in error. What else can be found in error, with just this small microscopic view of the Alarmist’s data sets? Who knows?
The science is not settled and it appears that Alarmist Climate Science has many flaws and has not relied on the accumulation of observational data like they should, but making ‘make believe’ data sets from computer climate model predictions.
Chas Posted June 15, 2008 at 2:00 am
“Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!”
Chas, I find your frequent close telling, and wonder if anyone else does also.
By stating “Whatever you conceive God to be”, you are in essence saying that the god you are describing is changeable, is not eternal, is defined and created by man. In other words, imaginative, not real. I find that interesting for someone claiming to be a minister.
I also find it interesting you use the term “So Mote it Be”.
So Mote it Be is an archaic phrase meaning “So must it be.” It originated in the rituals of Freemasonry, and is common today in Wiccan and Ceremonial magick Rituals.
Very telling insight into your belief system.
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/bldefsomoteitbe.htm
Dance poodle dance!
KansasNative Posted June 15, 2008 at 8:10 am |
“Dance poodle dance!”
The one line moron at the limit of his expressive ability.
boxlicker/ regular
… and KN has you dancing so well —- biscuit dog? u loser
And another brain dead poster this Father’s Day.
WS,
Paul (who was formerly Saul, a Benjimite and a Pharisee of Pharisees, who was persecuting Christians) met the risen Christ on the road to Damascus:
Acts 9
Saul’s Conversion
1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
Paul met Christ, while Paul was on earth.
“Paul met Christ, while Paul was on earth.”
According to Saul – how convenient!
He heard a voice from the sky? Great.
I heard a voice from the sky once – it was 1969 and I was doing a hit of blotter acid – the voice game from my girlfriend sitting next to me, asking me to pass the salt and pepper.
IMHO Windowpane was still the best.
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I would say this to the above and in full agreement:
Character is above the color of a person’s skin, especially in regards to presidential elections.
If an African American or Black American, either man or woman was running for the office of the president and stood for the best solutions for the USA, I would vote for that person, based upon the content of their character, not their skin color.
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
“If we are to go forward, we must go back and rediscover those precious values – that all reality hinges on moral foundations and that all reality has spiritual control.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
“We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted,
“This Satellite shot demonstrates the urban island heat effect. i.e. (lights = heat(infrared) source)”
And this map shows the greatest warming anomaly is mostly in the RURAL upper northern latitudes.
Maybe the Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s’ IH engineering degree causes him to believe that the Earth is like a globe on a desk — and since heat rises, heat from cities “rises” north?
Very funny:
http://www.cagle.com/news/fiore/main.asp
Those who believe that Climate can be controlled and engineered by altering the use of one gas (co2) are likely to believe in garden fairies and the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted,
“Those who believe that Climate can be controlled and engineered by altering the use of one gas (co2) are likely to believe in garden fairies and the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.”
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/wethring.htm
“The rise of the Appalachian Mountains may have caused a major ice age approximately 450 million years ago, an Ohio State University study has found.
The weathering of the mountains pulled carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere, causing the opposite of a greenhouse effect — an “icehouse” effect.
…
It also reinforces the notion that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are a major driver of Earth’s climate.”
———
Those who believe that……can be controlled….. are likely to believe in garden fairies and the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
But it’s okay if they believe in the Bible, a book written by nomads and wanderers 2,000 years ago.
Because the Bible is the Word of God, and scientists are just paid political hacks if they disagree with you.
Okay, that makes sense.
“Chas
Posted June 15, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
One of the Lectionary Readings for today speaks volumes for the subject of HOPE >>>>
From Romans 5:3-8 >>>>
5:3 And not only that, but we also boast in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,
5:4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,
5:5 and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit that has been given to us.
Good stuff!!”
I agree Chas. A great passage1
Who is the giver of hope in the above passage?
Barack Obama or Almighty God (Yahweh)?
Is the above man’s hope or God’s hope?
“Almighty God”
Is “Almighty God” running for president?
If not, then your “point” is just stupid and childish.
“Over the past several decades an increasing number of scientists have shed the restraints imposed by the scientific method and begun to proclaim the truth of man-made global warming. This is a hypothesis that remains untested, makes no predictions that can be tested in the near future, and cannot offer a numerical explanation for the limited evidence to which it clings. No equations have been shown to explain the relationship between fossil-fuel emission and global temperature. The only predictions that have been made are apocalyptic, so the hypothesis has to be accepted before it can be tested.
“Global warming may or may not be “the greatest scam in history,” as it was recently called by John Coleman, a prominent meteorologist and the founder of the Weather Channel. Certainly, however, under the scientific method it does not rise to the level of an “item of physical knowledge.”
“Global warming, on the other hand, has provided an estimated $50 billion in research grants to those willing to practice yellow science.”
Dude, you’re on an ancient thread.
Very impressive posts, BDP fleettwood. /sarcasm OFF (LOL!).
Who wrote those?
TV news WEATHERcaster,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coleman_%28news_weathercaster%29
Real science,
‘Working Group I Report “The Physical Science Basis” ‘
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
“Dude, you’re on an ancient thread.”
I prefer to think I have transported into the past.
I should pay more attention. At least I got Cosmo stirred up.
It looked like a cosmo trap. Should have left it alone. Have a good weekend fleetie.
“Have a good weekend fleetie.”
I don’t know how I can.
WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Then we might as well go out with a killer buzzzzzz. I’ll drink one to you brother.
Did you hear that? Sounded like the sky falling. Wait, heat rises, so how can the sky fall?
Peer reviewed report in 10…9…
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