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Wow, I’m first? Gotta get to work…Have a good one, everyone.
President Bush, in an interview “… said that there was now a recognition that that richer countries needed to “transfer out of the hydrocarbon economy”.”
SOURCE: timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4107327.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164
Now that it is too late for him to have to do anything about it, he faces the facts…
Typical Bush – deny a problem until it’s too late and hen expect daddy to bail him out. Just like he did with all of his failed business ventures.
As Shrub is taking his swan song tour of Europe, this is today’s must-read –
http://tinyurl.com/2lzhul
John Perkins is a former respected member of the international banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then take over their economies.
MH – another take on that issue. Is an enelectated dictator really a proper ‘agent’ to take on debt on the part of the people of a country? For example – Mobutu of Zaire or Saddam of Iraq? What might be the reercussions if a new government repudiated that debt claiming that it is illegitimate?
Sort of like if I went out and borrowed a lot of money under you name and te bank expects you to repay it.
Does such a dictator in fact have such agency rights?
“bth” –
You mean like the unelected George WMD Bush?
Seriously, what does a multi-national corporation care about an illegitimate government?
“When the strongest nation in the world can be tied up for … years in a war … with no end in sight, when the richest nation in the world can’t manage its own economy, when the nation with the greatest tradition of the rule of law is plagued by unprecedented lawlessness, … and when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration – then it’s time for new leadership for the United States of America.”
– Richard Nixon, 1968
“Predestined” –
Who thought we’d ever come to miss Nixon?
Monkeyhawk,
At least he had a clue.
Good news for Clinton – her supporters have not given up!
http://justsaynodeal.com
Good morning Fellow Travelers!
Has global warming research misinterpreted cloud behavior?
Climate experts agree that the seriousness of manmade global warming depends greatly upon how clouds in the climate system respond to the small warming tendency from the extra carbon dioxide mankind produces. To figure that out, climate researchers usually examine natural, year-to-year fluctuations in clouds and temperature to estimate how clouds will respond to humanity1s production of greenhouse gases.
When researchers observe natural changes in clouds and temperature, they have traditionally assumed that the temperature change caused the clouds to change, and not the other way around. To the extent that the cloud changes actually cause temperature change, this can ultimately lead to overestimates of how sensitive Earth’s climate is to our greenhouse gas emissions.
This seemingly simple mix-up between cause and effect is the basis of a new paper that will appear in the Journal of Climate. The paper’s lead author, Dr. Roy W. Spencer, a principal research scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville, believes the work is the first step in demonstrating why climate models produce too much global warming.
Spencer and his co-author, principal research scientist William (Danny) Braswell, used a simple climate model to demonstrate that something as seemingly innocuous as daily random variations in cloud cover can cause year-to-year variation in ocean temperature that looks like — but isn’t — “positive cloud feedback,” a warmth-magnifying process that exists in all major climate models. “Our paper is an important step toward validating a gut instinct that many meteorologists like myself have had over the years,” said Spencer, “that the climate system is dominated by stabilizing processes, rather than destabilizing processes — that is, negative feedback rather than positive feedback.”
The paper doesn’t disprove the theory that global warming is manmade. Instead, it offers an alternative explanation for what we see in the climate system which has the potential for greatly reducing estimates of mankind’s impact on Earth’s climate. “Since the cloud changes could conceivably be caused by known long-term modes of climate variability — such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, or El Nino and La Nina — some, or even most, of the global warming seen in the last century could simply be due to natural fluctuations in the climate system,” Spencer said.
While the paper’s two peer reviewers, both climate model experts, agreed that the issue is a legitimate one, Spencer knows the new paper will be controversial, with some claiming that the impact of the mix-up between cause and effect will be small. “But we really won’t know until much more work is done,” Spencer said.
“Unfortunately, so far we have been unable to figure out a way to separate cause and effect when observing natural climate variability. That’s why most climate experts don’t like to think in terms of causality, and instead just examine how clouds and temperature vary together. “Our work has convinced me that cause and effect really do matter. If we get the causation wrong, it can greatly impact our interpretation of what nature has been trying to tell us. Unfortunately, in the process it also makes the whole global warming problem much more difficult to figure out.”
Jun 09 ,Space & Earth science
“Who thought we’d ever come to miss Nixon?”
Actually, I miss the House that was ready to impeach him.
God Bless Rep. Dennis Kucinich.
And where is the NEW Barbara Jordan when we need her?
“My faith in the Constituion is whole. It is complete.”
SHE should have been the first black and woman president. How very different our country would be. A Jordan/Chisom ticket would have given us the nation we deserved.
Not the one we got.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone needs to tell ICT that the gay agenda committee sent out a memo yesterday telling folks from out of state who rush to California to get married NOT to go home and sue their states for recognition. There is a gay agenda strategy behind this memo. I could tell you what it is, but then I’d have to, um, silence you…
Oh well, just to watch his (and you know it’s an angry white guy) head explode…
http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?date=2008/06/11/1
I’d love a chance to, um, silence someone.
“Obama Admits Smoking Cigarettes in Last Few Months”
Oh MY GOD! I guess I will have to vote for someone else now.
Why is this news? This was from an abc headline. WHo the hell cares?!
GOOOOO GAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!! (****Jazz Hands****)
Sounds like a pretty good tactic, Farm Girl.
I bet it would work with CCW!
“ksfarmgrrl” asks –
“…where is the NEW Barbara Jordan when we need her?
“My faith in the Constitution is whole. It is complete.”
Ain’t that the truth?
A giant of a mind.
Perhaps the personification of the House of Representatives’ finest hour.
What is it about Texas? The men are so consistently kookie but their best women — like Jordan, Ivins, Richardson — really seem to get it.
“SHE should have been the first black and woman president.”
Yup. But we’re not good enough a nation for a leader such as Jordan. Yet.
Thanks for the memory, “ksfarmgrrl.” Just thinking about Barbara Jordan’s brilliance, here speeches, her dignity, and her innate goodness and patriotism brings tears to my eyes.
I’m not sure I agree that Cynthia is the natural heir to Jordan’s legacy. I’m not sure anyone — in our out of government — has lived up to the standards Barbara Jordan considered givens.
Contrast Barbara Jordan….
“My faith in the Constitution is whole. It is complete.”
With Richard Nixon (paraphrased) ……..
“What the President cannot be illegal.”
WE could have used Barbara Jordan during the last seven years – she had a way of cutting through the political bullshit that we have sorely missed.
from 2002
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01E2DB1139F936A25750C0A9649C8B63
About ANWR: The Times recently had an eye-opening article confirming something I had been hearing myself, that oil companies are not behind the push for drilling there — indeed, they are notably unexcited by the prospect. Studies by the U.S. Geological Survey suggest why: Arctic oil is so expensive to get at that it’s barely worth extracting at current market prices. For energy companies it’s the rest of the Bush energy plan, which would give them about $35 billion in tax breaks and subsidies, that really matters.
But then why are the Bush administration and its allies so vehement about ANWR? Pay no attention to rhetoric about national security; the Kerry-McCain proposal would save about three times as much oil per year as ANWR would deliver even in its brief period of peak production.
The real reason conservatives want to drill in ANWR is the same reason they want to keep snowmobiles roaring through Yellowstone: sheer symbolism. Forcing rangers to wear respirators won’t make much difference to snowmobile sales — but it makes the tree-huggers furious, and that’s what’s appealing about it. The same is true about Arctic drilling; as one very moderate environmentalist told me, the reason the Bush administration pursues high-profile anti-environmental policies is not that they please special interests but that they are ”red meat for the right.” (The real special-interest payoffs come via less showy policies, like the way the administration is undermining enforcement of the Clean Air Act.)
And what about the Teamsters union, which threw its support behind the Bush plan? It claimed to be motivated by the 700,000 jobs ANWR drilling would supposedly create. One suspects that the union’s leadership knows that this figure is at least 10 times too high. But the union’s members don’t know that; so by making common cause with the anti-environmental right the leaders can seem to be bringing home the bacon.
The debate over fuel efficiency played out according to the same script. Conservative opponents of higher mileage standards followed closely the guidelines laid down by Ed Gillespie, the top Republican operative turned Enron lobbyist, in a memo last April. He proposed selling the administration’s drill-and-burn energy plan by painting conservationists as ”eat your peas” types, who want to take away our creature comforts. Sure enough, opponents portrayed a modest proposal, which would have set a 36-mile-per-gallon standard 13 years from now, as an immediate threat to the American way of life. Trent Lott displayed a photo of a tiny 70-mile-per-gallon European compact and declared, ”I don’t want every American to have to drive this car.”
And senators who are indifferent to the air pollution that kills thousands of Americans each year got all weepy at the prospect — rejected by serious analysts — that making cars more efficient would lead to more traffic fatalities.
The surprise, though, is that this dishonest anti-conservationism got crucial support from the United Auto Workers. There’s no good reason to think that higher efficiency standards would actually cost any automobile worker jobs; certainly fighting a modest mileage increase phased over 15 years shouldn’t be a priority for the union’s members. But as with the Teamsters and ANWR drilling, fighting conservation gave the union’s leadership an opportunity to look powerful; the appearance, not the reality, was what mattered.
McCain vs Obama on taxes – from CNNMoney.com
BREAKING DOWN THE NUMBERS
Here’s how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain’s or Barack Obama’s tax proposals were fully in place.
MCCAIN OBAMA
Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
$603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
$227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
$161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
$112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
$66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
$38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
$19K-$38K -$113 -$892
Under $19K -$19 -$567
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?postversion=2008061110
I guess I don’t understrand the + and – listed above. Is the – a decrease and the + an increase?
Yes, Sol.
So the rich pay more and everyone who makes less than about a quarter mill a year pays less.
DAMN RIGHT!
Before the wanna-bes start lamenting the sorrowful situation of the mega-rich, ask the rich if they would be willing to trade places with you–you make their income and pay their taxes, they make your income and pay your taxes.
Not gonna happen, is it.
If Obama is elected, Paris Hilton may not be able to buy that third house in Monaco so that grandma doesn’t have to buy dog food.
Who can tolerate this repressive SOCIALISM?
Max, help me out here.
“Trent Lott displayed a photo of a tiny 70-mile-per-gallon European compact and declared, ”I don’t want every American to have to drive this car.””
I saw my first European Smart Car on the road (right here in Wichita!) the other day – not sure, but I think it was the Mercedes version, Smart Fortwo.
Cute little thing……..
http://www.straight.com/article-119331/mercedes-launches-smart-car-2-0-the-fortwo
Capn,
Don’t you make 6 figures? What is your fixation on Paris Hilton? Why is it your business what anyone buys?
Sol–
1. I’d save more money under Obama’s plan.
2. I don’t really care what Paris Hilton buys. I do care about the richest country in the world putting in place basic safety nets for its poorest citizens. Paris Hilton is simply a well-known figure who shows that the rich aren’t so bad off as the CONs would have us believe.
‘They’ are pushing against smaller economical cars for what ‘they’ say are safety reasons. Like crash protection. I think the Toyota hybrid is best in class right now for safety.
My point is, though, that if pretty much everyone were driving the smaller cars, there wouldn’t be as much concern. Move more trucking over to the rail system. Let the SUV’s have the right lane and efficient cars the left two.
But I want one of these….. the Tango 600
http://www.autoblog.com/2004/08/03/commuter-cars-tango-600-does-a-lot-more-than-just-commute-it/
200 MPH crash resistance (SCCA and NHRA), zero to sixty in four seconds, park nose in in any parking space, seats two, front to back, 1,000 foot pounds of torque, fully electic.
George Clooney owns one. That is only important because you have to be a movie star to own one – they have a $85,000 price tag.
Clark–
Had the Smart Car been available when I bought my last vehicle, I probably would have got one.
Trent Lott may not like it, but then look at his toupee, fer heaven’s sake.
Sol – yes – + means pay more. It was a lot better in the Table I copied from since the columns lined up. It hits at the UPPER six figures; not at 100K.
Capn,
How about a fair system then? A flat percentage. No deductions, no loop holes. A flat tax for everyone of 10-15%. Not a sales tax, that is just dumb. But an income tax.
And drastically reduce the size of government and its spending.
They have a freakin restaurant chain that has lost untold millions of dollars. They are 2 million in the hole three months into the year. Why the hell do they have a restaurant chain? Why can’t they even manage a freakin restaurant? Holly crap !!!
This is bi-partisan. Talking about both parties. Shouldn’t we clean crap like this up? Clean out the government and jettison the waste?
I’m real, REAL confused this morning. In fact, my brain is stuck in the muck. It’s so stymied that I’m going to be using that word several more times in this little post. So here goes.
I need someone to explain the mucking posting policies of the Wichita Eagle on Kansas.com. If a post-er attempts to reply to some waste of sperm and egg who calls for the murder of Dr. Tiller – and she does so without any swearing or mucking about – why is her post not allowed – and the murder-mongering moron’s post is NOT censored?
I called for no one’s murder. I merely responded in the manner which I believe 90% of the U.S. population would respond. Pro life or pro choice – most of us do not condone gunning down abortionists in the name of “life.” So I said so. With no mucking swear words.
So what in the muck is going on?
I’m just so gosh-danged CONFUSED. I know this is Kansas, but if the Eagle censors think it’s groovy to assassinate physicians, but it ain’t so mucking appropriate to dissent from this lunacy, then I’m in the wrong state – and the wrong lifetime.
Clark.
I like it sporty…
http://www.teslamotors.com/media/media_index.php
Whoa – I jumped the mucking gun! My post WAS included – there was just a delay – a rather long delay, to be honest. I don’t know why I’m such a mucking threat. The dumb-muck d-bag who flaggelates before a shrine of Shelley Shannon is probably more mucking worthy of disdain than I am.
Capn,
You are talking like you want FDR back, like you don’t remember what experimentation did to the depression. What the current and next congress are doing to business. You have to take a real look at the damage FDR did. Look at the real history.
Part of the reason the restaurant failed is because they tried to over compensate the staff. Too much salary and benefits. Bankrupted them. Do you want to do the same with this nation when we are already in so much financial trouble?
FilmFan–
The WEBlog apparently flags certain words as “naughty” and won’t let you post them.
Strangely, @$$ and $h!t seem to be fine. The word b@ng however is not, as I found out when I tried to make a post about The Big B@ng Theory of the creation of the universe.
Look through your original post and see if you can find the word they find objectionable, and re-word and re-post it.
Good luck.
Capn,
Here is a good example. Raising the minimum wage. Gave congress a warm fuzzy. I think ‘living wage’ was the meme behind it. Look at the results of that warm and fuzzy.
“Well, it turns out that the problem was hundreds of thousands of teenagers that were pouring out into the job market at the same time thanks to the end of the school year, but many, if not most, will not find jobs because they have been priced out of the market. This is from Investors Business Daily. The minimum wage was hiked 14% to $5.85 an hour last July. Next month it’s going to go up an additional 12% to $6.55 an hour. In July it’s slated to rise 10.7% to $7.25 an hour. Now, if that sounds like a lot, the actual cost is much higher after you fold in taxes, benefits, and Social Security that businesses pay on behalf of these teenage workers. So why is anyone in the country surprised that unemployment is rising? When you raise the cost of anything, you demand less of it. Why does everyone understand that with gasoline? For instance, we know as the price of gasoline rises this is what I just said a few minutes ago. You can’t say that the price of gasoline is going to continue to head north because if it continues to head north, people are going to change their habits. Businesses are going to change their habits. Airlines won’t be able to function the way they do. So the demand goes down and when the demand goes down, then the price goes down. Demand goes down the higher you raise the price. So if you raise the minimum wage, demand for minimum wage workers would go down. What a surprise. Only to those in congress. Since teenagers are the least educated, least trained, overall least productive of all workers, they are the least likely to be selected in the labor market. If you have to shell out an extra 40% over three years to employ the unproductive workers as is now happening, you are likely to find a good reason not to do so unless it’s absolutely necessary.
This is from the University of California. An economist out there found the 10% minimum wage hike cuts employment of young and unskilled workers by 8.5%. He says in the last 11 months alone, the U.S. minimum wage has increased by more than twice that amount. So if we are expecting a 20% minimum wage hike, we can expect a 17% drop in employment in uneducated workers. It’s crazy. Recent minimum wage hikes are the big reason teen joblessness is at the highest level it’s been in 60 years. But who would have seen that coming? Besides anyone who had any experience in business at all, anyone? A day not in the classroom. A day out in the real world.”
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/11149/?ck=1
FDR was the greatest president the United States ever had. I have a picture of him up in my office.
As Ben Jonson wrote about Shakespeare, “I worship the man, next to idolatry.”
One of the issues that automakers face in the American market is our seemingly insatiable demand for bigger and bigger and bigger.
I recall when the first Chrysler mini vans hit the market. They were small, relatively efficient vehicles. Now, a Chrysler Grand Caravan is a HUGE vehicle, hardly resembling “mini” in any regard.
Another example would be the Ford Escape. Originally, it was a little brother to the Ford Explorer. In it’s latest redesign, it is larger than the original Explorer! It’s only saving grace is that it comes in a hybrid version.
Bigger, Faster, More! (apologies to Four Non-Blondes)
Sol?
WHO has a restaurant chain?
Capn,
The Senate.
You might as well worship Bush then Capn. Look at the real history behind FDR’s actions.
http://www.google.com/search?q=fdr+extended+the+depression&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GFRC
You know how you bash conservatives for worshiping Reagan? You know why you hate Reagan so much? FDR was 100 times worse than Reagan. Blue Sky programs that worsened the nation.
“I like it sporty…”
Sweet, I’ll take two.
Capn – the restaurant chain…
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/11153/?ck=1
Thanks for your opinion, Sol.
Fortunately, most Americans and presidential scholars disagree with you.
http://www.blacksunjournal.com/energy-transition/1334_drill-here-drill-now-pay-less-gingrich-leads-chorus-of-simpletons_2008.html
snip
” American Solutions for Winning the Future is a new, non-partisan organization built around three goals: to defend America and our allies abroad and defeat our enemies, to strengthen and revitalize America’s core values, and to move the government into the 21st Century. Its General Chairman is former Speaker Newt Gingrich.”
Populism meets American exceptionalism in this ludicrous “petition.” Some people still think that they can change the laws of physics, economics, or geology by fiat, or–in this case–democratic tantrum. It’s funny how so-called “conservatives” just can’t understand concepts of “pay-as-you-go” when it comes to energy and the environment. Or deficits for that matter. I just love the little manipulative sympathy ploy for “hard-working Americans.” As if other people around the world aren’t even more hard-working (without the comforts brought by Americas voracious energy consumption). But no matter. Americans–blue and white collar alike–can work and struggle as hard as they want, and it won’t change the physical reality. The world is running out of easy oil. Production is close to peaking globally. Deal with it.
U.S. oil production peaked in the ’70s and is now down several million barrels per day. Drilling ANWR, which is really what this petition is about would add 780,000 barrels a day for a short period after which U.S. production would again inexorably decline. So basically, by drilling ANWR, we would be more quickly producing our children and grandchildren’s oil, leaving them to once again carry our burden of consumption.
Instead, we should be pursuing policies which raise oil prices, so that the free-market can do its work and provide alternatives. Why do conservatives have to be lectured about free-market economics? Oh, right. They’re actually only for free markets when they are rigged in their favor. Oil has most decidedly spun out of their control, since the vast majority of the world’s oil reserves are being sold by National Oil Companies (NOCs) to the highest bidder, which more often than not these days are not Americans. So the isolationist crybabies want legislation to extend the illusion that they remain indifferently above the global reality of rising demand in the face of plateauing or falling energy production.
I think they are over 100k Clark. Damn shame. Built on a Lotus frame. Damn fine car.
There may be some truth to what Glenn Beck writes.
However, the overall economy also really sucks too, doesn’t it.
Sol — hold your horses a minute…. Thats off of the Glenn (stretch any fact anywhere) Beck website…
First — It’s a $1.40/hr. increase come July..
Second — Where does an employer have to come up with PAYING taxes on his/her employees??
Third — The Soc. Sec. employer share is something in the neighborhood of 14.7 cents per hour… the other half comes out on the W2…
14.7 cents per hour is what the employer will see by JULY… of this year…
Where is the 40% increase?? Huh??
“I think they are over 100k Clark.”
Cancel my order for the second one…..
Oh yea, what “benefits” does a minimum wage worker get these days?? Hmmmm??
most Americans and presidential scholars disagree with you
Reaching a little far with that one Cappy. How do economists view him? Strictly relating to the depression and his actions that lengthened it?
Do you try that google link? Probably not. Would have put too much perspective on your narrow view.
Not trying to be an a$$, but you view his Marxist approach with heroism while blatantly ignoring the amount of suffering he caused.
“SolDevVB” drags out the hoary Flat Tax with –
“…No deductions, no loop holes…”
Sounds good until people realize all the deductions and loopholes they befit from. Mortgage interest deductions, deductions for dependents, medical and business deductions…. and on and on. The Paul-bearers who are so enamored by the Flat Tax are living in a fantasy land if they think everyone in America would end up with paying the same tax rate.
Libertarians would be about as politically (and practically) viable if their solution to the price of gasoline were to flap your arms and fly to work.
Have another look Sol >>>>
Under Roosevelt?s leadership, the United States emerged from World War II as the world?s foremost economic, political, and military power. FDR?s contributions to domestic life during his presidency were just as vital. While his ?New Deal? did not end the Great Depression, Roosevelt?s leadership gave Americans hope and confidence in their darkest hours and fundamentally reshaped the relationship between the federal government and the American people. FDR so dominated American politics that he almost single-handedly launched the Democratic Party into a position of prolonged political dominance.. During his tenure, FDR also lifted both the standing and power of the American presidency to unprecedented heights. More broadly, however, his New Deal programs, marked a substantial turning point in the nation?s political, economic, social, and cultural life.
http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/fdroosevelt/essays/biography/1
Have another look Sol >>>>
Under Roosevelt?s leadership, the United States emerged from World War II as the world?s foremost economic, political, and military power. FDR?s contributions to domestic life during his presidency were just as vital. While his ?New Deal? did not end the Great Depression, Roosevelt?s leadership gave Americans hope and confidence in their darkest hours and fundamentally reshaped the relationship between the federal government and the American people. FDR so dominated American politics that he almost single-handedly launched the Democratic Party into a position of prolonged political dominance.. During his tenure, FDR also lifted both the standing and power of the American presidency to unprecedented heights. More broadly, however, his New Deal programs, marked a substantial turning point in the nation?s political, economic, social, and cultural life.
http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/fdroosevelt/essays/biography/1
The Paul-bearers who are so enamored by the Flat Tax are living in a fantasy land if they think everyone in America would end up with paying the same tax rate.
Too stupid to even respond to. Facts Monkey, try them once.
Looks like the Iraqis don’t want Bush permanent bases, control of airspace, and continuing immunity for both military and mercenaries:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40549.html
The U.S. is apparently scaling back some of its demands, including backing off one that particularly incenses Iraqis, blanket immunity for private security contractors.
Iraqi lawmakers say the Bush administration is demanding concessions that are unacceptable, among them: dozens of semi-permanent bases from which U.S. forces can launch missions with no prior consent from Iraq’s government; complete immunity for U.S. troops and security contractors; control of Iraq’s air space; and no guarantees the United States will defend Iraq against a foreign attack.
Another film from the maker of Flock of Dodos:
http://www.sizzlethemovie.com/synopsis.php
Sol — My link above is from your earlier Google link upthread… Just so you know…
What are those arrogant Iraqi lawmakers expecting – sovernity or something like it? Bass turds!
“SolDevVB” posted in re:
“The Paul-bearers who are so enamored by the Flat Tax are living in a fantasy land if they think everyone in America would end up with paying the same tax rate.”
with:
Too stupid to even respond to.
Thanks for admitting you’re “too stupid to even respond.”
That clears up a lot of things.
Too stupid to even respond to.
Typical. Change a sentence to mean something else. Bout par for your course monkey.
And about those facts. Don’t be affraid of them. You can start with reading and reposting an entire sentance with out alteration.
I see how it works for you, but c’mon, do you really have to stoop that low when you’ve been called out?
Chas,
For your reading pleasure –
http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Man-History-Great-Depression/dp/0066211700
To stimulate your brain, the figures were given as a percentage increase. Taxes are also a percentage of money earned. There is no $0.147 per hour tax. It is based on the percentage of money earned.
Sol — the $.147/hour is the employer’s Soc Sec payment… And you didnt address that far out 40% increase you referred to from the “Beck” item….
And that way silly “forgotten man” thing has been way over posted by “Max”
And that way silly “forgotten man” thing
As silly as you think it is, doesn’t change facts. Just like Bush and the fed screwing with the economy now, they are only extending and worsening it, just like FDR.
The numbers are there chas. Do the math.
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Sol — Employer share of FICA is 15%…
$.147/hour is the amount of INCREASE from the $5.85 per hour Min. to the $7.25 Min.
What is it that you are not seeing here???
And again, what “benefits” do minimum wage workers get that costs employers any money??
Roosevelt hits the banking problem head on in his first 100 days of actions >>>>
http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Documents/1930s/FDR_Bankholiday_1933.html
It is an old and tired rant that keeps on accusing Roosevelt of prolonging the Depression for 7 years!!
Chas >>
5.15 * 15% = 0.7725
7.25 * 15% = 1.0875
Change in tax amount = 0.315
Change in wage = 2.10
Total change = 2.42
% change from original = 40.78%
Sol — Got a question — I have long wondered why somebody from Michigan, a state much more exciting in general that Kansas…. would find any solace in Blogging thru a fairly small midwestern newspaper, like the Wichita Eagle??? As I say, I just wondered… do you have family ties here, or in laws ties here??? JHust curious….
Sol, it’s $5.85… and the EMPLOYER share is NOT 15%… but just 7.5%
Change is wage is only $1.40 per hour….
Please check your figures above…
“Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt’s policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.
In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt’s policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.
Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.
“High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns,” Ohanian said. “As we’ve seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market’s self-correcting forces.”
The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.
Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943. ”
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002293.html
This is the fastest moving blog I’ve found. The freep creeps.
I have some relatives in KS, just don’t know who or where. Mom’s side.
Chas
Ever wonder why people from other countries blog here? Ever ask them?
I do when I know they are from another country…
Chas, it was 5.15 before this started.
Chas
Posted June 11, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
Sol — Got a question — I have long wondered why somebody from Michigan, a state much more exciting in general that Kansas…. would find any solace in Blogging thru a fairly small midwestern newspaper, like the Wichita Eagle??? As I say, I just wondered… do you have family ties here, or in laws ties here??? JHust curious….
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If it were just legal residents of Wichita allowed to blog here, then there were be darn few posts.
Fortunately now, there are other blogs on Kansas.com specifically for Wichita. They are barely commented on.
Do I like it when out of town Liberals come in here and try to force their way of thinking on me?
No, I don’t like it, because it doesn’t reflect the local values and traditions of Wichita and the Kansas that I knew and grew up with.
Not much I can do it about it though, is there?
Sol very good presentation of the impact of the ‘living wage’ increase. Unemployment is but one of the downsides. Less training for entry level teens. Have to hire experience to fill the vacancies so you can pay fewer employees. Small companies don’t have a slush fund for these increases.
Chas will argue your figures till hell freezes over I have found from experience. The easiest way to shut him down is go read a good book, go to bed, take a long walk, etc..
chas,
You also have to consider unemployment and worker’s comp payments and miriad other expenses.
Not only was the Depression a tragedy when it occurred, but it spawned a welfare state that has had profound impacts—many negative—on modern society. Deposit insurance, universally hailed as one of the great success stories of the Depression, led to literally hundreds of billions of dollars of liabilities for the federal government during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s—and that crisis was aggravated by risky lending practices that uniform-rate deposit insurance encouraged. The separation of investment and commercial banking, enacted in haste during the First Hundred Days of the Roosevelt Administration, led to inefficiencies in American banking and declining competitiveness for U.S. financial service firms, which led to its repeal, following the earlier termination of equally inefficient prohibitions on the payment of interest on demand deposits. The promotion of labor unions by New Deal laws (especially the Wagner Act of 1935) unquestionably hastened the demise of much of American manufacturing, as capital fled the high labor costs that unions encouraged. Minimum-wage laws did little to help the poor, but created unemployment for some workers, disproportionately members of minority groups. In short, many Depression-era laws did nothing to end the Depression, but imposed significant long-term costs on American society.
http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.838/article_detail.asp
“In terms of labour, the lasting feature of the New Deal was the increase in union membership; between 1930 and 1940, there was a trebling in union members. This was in no small way due to the government’s National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA, 1933), which legislated against unfair competition, laid down wage and hours standards, and affirmed the right of workers to bargain collectively. This resulted in large rises in wages, which was not matched by similar rises in productivity; as a result the rise in firms’ costs may have prevented any attempts at an increase in total employment, and thus lengthened the Depression.”
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1350/essays/newdeal.html
You can still see the blight on the economy the unions have wreaked. Look at Ford and GM.
Hank,
The roomie got a dog yesterday…a blue tick hound.
She’s really high strung at times, and keeps picking up my shoes and socks and carrying them all over the house.
Suggestions?
“and keeps picking up my shoes and socks and carrying them all over the house.”
Questions is, are you wearing them at the time?
Who didn’t vett the vetter?
“A leader of Democrat Barack Obama’s vice presidential research team has resigned amid criticism over his personal loan deals.
Obama announced in a statement Wednesday that Jim Johnson was stepping aside to avoid distracting from the vetting process.”
Unemployment and Workers Comp are insurances… Employers have to carry those no matte what…
Dammit Sollie, this is from YOUR OWN post upthread!! Thats where I got the damn $5.85!!! Now make up your freakin mind!!
“The minimum wage was hiked 14% to $5.85 an hour last July. Next month it’s going to go up an additional 12% to $6.55 an hour. In July it’s slated to rise 10.7% to $7.25 an hour.”
Now, from $5.85 LAST July to $7.25 THIS July is $1.40 PER hour!!
Now, at least stick with the numbers from your own damn post!!!
And REGULAR — In c ase you didnt catch it, I was not complaining about Sollie posting here… idiot… I was just curious — So dont start your friggin Flaming this damned EARLY!!!
I been up puking all nite, and I am in no mood for your stupid foolishness!!!
OK, one more time for chas.
original min. wage $5.15
Employer’s tax burdon 0.075%
Tax per hour $0.38625
Total cost per hour to employer $5.53625
July’s minimum wage $7.25
Employer’s tax burdon 0.075%
Tax per hour $0.54375
Change in tax $0.1575
Change in wage $2.10
Sum of change $2.26
% change 40.78%
Get it chas? The % change stays the same.
“Who didn’t vett the vetter?”
Must be a slow news day – this is truly a non-story – Johnson did not have a role in the campaign – only in the VP selection committee.
It wasn’t like he had any influence with Obama outside of his role on the committee.
September 1997 $5.15
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/blminwage.htm
Sep 1, 19975
$5.15 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2007
$5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2008
$6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2009
$7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers
http://www.dol.gov/ESA/minwage/chart.htm
Get a grip and do some math chas.
Well, if you are going to start at $5.15, then thats accurate… BUT… I started where your post started last July, at $5.85 — Do that, and my figures are also right…
But, I still dont see any 40% increase!!
The employer pays those insurances/taxes based on number of employees and or wages paid. You keeping up chas?
The change in percentage of total wage is your 40%+ but the actual increase in minimum wage isnt 40% without using a lot o years to add together… Gee, lets see, when I was in high school, gas prices were about 19 cents a gallon…. now they are $4??? how can we spin that one???
Jesus jumped up chas. In 97 the minimum wage was $5.15. In 06-07 when the democratic congress increased it, the first bump was in July 07.
It really shouldn’t be that hard to understand. The first bump was to 5.85. That is where the article starts to show you the % increases. Do you not see all the links I provided.
Further, if not for WWII, the New Deal would have still been dragging out the depression.
The numbers are there chas. They don’t lie. You can try to spin if you want, but facts is facts.
Also, keep in mind that that $2.20 raise is from 1997 to 2009 — TWELVE YEARS…
Average that out, and it is a mere pittance of a nuisance on the employer… And I dontknow about you guys, but I know a whole lot more adults working minimum wage jobs, than I do high school kids!! And the overwhelming majority of those minimum wage jobs are LESS than full time… and come with NO benefits!!
SOL — Fropm 1997 till 2009, that is LESS than a 20 cent an hour raise per year!!!
And what were gas prices in 1997?? and groceries?? and underwear??? LOL
You don’t seem to understand supply and demand chas. This is probably why you support FDR’s monetary policy. You can’t inflate wages and expect the economy not to suffer.
Everything gets more expensive.
Employers can higher fewer employees.
Unemployment rises.
Gee, pretty much what we are seeing right now. Not everything is due to the minimum wage, but again, you can’t inflate wages and not expect blow back in the economy. What the rate increase did was negated by the blow back.
Clear as mud?
It is a 40% increase in the cost of hiring a minimum wage employee. Think the employer can absorb all that cost? Will he pass it on to the consumer or just not higher?
Heh MonkeyHawk. Tejas women arent ALL good. Kay Hutchinson and Carol Keaton Rylander (snotty mcclellan’s mom) come to mind.
And not all tejas men are bad. Mickey Leland comes to mind.
And had you known Barbara in her later years, Cynthia is just saying publicly what Barbara said privately.
And much more eloquently.
Who was it that said when they get to heaven, they fully expect God’s voice to be identical to Barbara Jordan’s.
We need her so much right now. And Ann Richards too!
And can you imagine what Molly would be saying right now? heheheheheheh!
Yea, right… 40% over a 12 year period… What does that balance out to??
C’mon, Sol, I know you can see that an increase from $2.15 in 1997 all the way UP to $7.25 in 2009 is less than $.20 per hour increase over a 12 year period… The amount of $$$ spent on employees hired is negligible… Sure they are going to spend $7.25 NEXT year to hire a new employee…
BUT — surely their business income has also increased substantially in the past 12 years too!! There’s that supply/demand thing again… :-)
correction $2.15 = $5.15
I sure wish that Global Warming would hurry up!
Maybe they meant Global Cooling like they did in the 1970’s.
“Winter-like weather returned to the Northwest as snow fell across the state Tuesday including on Mount Hood where drivers were dealing with unusual weather for this time of year.
And while it didn’t cause major problems, most people were asking, “What happened to spring?”
The snowfall at Timberline Tuesday was amazing, blowing snow and ice most of the day. There was packed snow and ice on the roadway that turned to slush in some spots and the trees were coated thickly.
Even though the Fourth of July is less than a month away to many it seemed more like February.”
“And can you imagine what Molly would be saying right now?”
Sigh………………… Molly, one of the absolute greats of all time – sorely missed – we need her now more than ever – what a jewel she was.
Do something simple here…
What did a Whopper cost at BK 12 years ago??
What does it cost today??
I think I make my point…
Chas,
40% over a 2 year period 07-09. Had this increased equally over 11 years it might not have the effect we see today. And the proof is in the pudding. Unemployment up.
Fleett I have seen snow fall in Estes Park, CO, in August… Ummmm I believe it has something to do with the altitude???
Can you afford a 40% decrease in your pay chas? I think I made my point.
““And can you imagine what Molly would be saying right now?””
Maybe something like, “Boy, sure is hot here”
And once again chas, you only look at one side of the equation. A 40% increase in overhead for a business = ???
SOL — you are using selective math….
1997 —- Min. wage at $5.15 per hour…
2009 —- Min. wage at $7.25 per hour…
TWELVE YEARS…. You gotta include that TEN year period in there when there was NO increase… when the employer got a free ride on increased wages… all the while his own income was increasing!!
Get it??
Chas,
You have to live in reality. July 2007 to July 2009 = 2 year span. Get it?
Can you afford a 40% rise in your overhead over a two year time span? Get it?
Obviously you can’t. Can you get this? Unemployment rose to 5.5 %. I know those are just more confusing numbers. Try though chas, just try.
sol- Give it up. He’s seen the snow fall in Estes Park.
Sol — how would you like it if you had gotten a $2.20 per hour increase in pay over the last TWELVE years??
I’d hate it chas. That would mean I was one pathetic worker and had to rely on minimum wage to get a pay raise.
Have you ever received a pay raise that wasn’t mandated by the government chas?
Would you keep an employee for 12 years if you thought they never deserved a raise?
Reality chas.
fleettwood
Posted June 11, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink
Beginning to think you are right…
He’s seen the snow fall…
I be steelin that one.
stealin. WTF???
Of course, Sol is ignoring all the minimum wage increases that didn’t happen year after year in the past.
Did all those non-increases against inflation (in effect lowering the cost of “overhead”) increase the number of kids getting jobs?
I’d need to see the labor stats to know for sure, but I’m guessing that the overall health of the economy is more important than the cost of wages for who gets employed, particularly when they’ve been so low for so long.
Fuel to go up, thanks to Dems!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365627,00.html
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that a 40% increase in overhead over two years is devastating to a small business.
No one ever claimed capn to be a rocket scientist though.
So capn, with the 40% increase, what do you think happens to small businesses employing new workers, retaining existing workers, and the cost of their goods/services.
Of course, Sol is ignoring all the minimum wage increases that didn’t happen year after year in the past.
Had they increased over time, quite obviously, this wouldn’t be so devastating. Are you drinking capn?
Oh yeah capn, have a glance or two at the FDR posts upthread. Your hero a hero? Not so much. If not for WWII, the depression would have dragged on even longer.
Just like the minimum wage hike we are discussing now, you can not inflate wages while demand is dropping. Econ 101.
“Of course, Sol is ignoring all the minimum wage increases that didn’t happen…”
I’m going to have to ponder on that one for a while. I’m sure it means something quite deep.
Well, if it means something “deep,” you’ll never understand it, BDP Fleettwood; that’s for sure.
BTW, the House voted in favor of sending impeachment proceeding to the judiciary committee.
“BTW, the House voted in favor of sending impeachment proceeding to the judiciary committee.”
Where it will die most likely.
Thank you, capn. I know you ignore everything that didn’t happen.
“BTW, the House voted in favor of sending impeachment proceeding to the judiciary committee.”
Excellent! Keep us posted.
Kucinich effort to impeach Bush kicked into limbo
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach.vote/index.html
The House has voted to send articles of impeachment against President Bush to a committee that is not likely to hold hearings before the end of his term.
By a vote of 251 to 166, House members dispatched the measure to a committee on Wednesday — a procedure often used to kill legislation.
“By 251-166, House members dispatched the measure to a committee on Wednesday — a procedure often used to kill legislation.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080611/ap_on_go_co/bush_impeachment
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi long ago declared the prospects for impeachment proceedings “off the table.”
Actually, Fleettttwood, I enjoy a lot of things that didn’t happen, like the many times you didn’t post . . .
Uh sol?
Wanna know what America would look like if not for FDR?
Take a look at Mexico today.
Without FDR and the New Deal, the robber barons would have become lords. You would be a humble serf.
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush’s impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive.”
“Kucinich voted with his party, against his own measure.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach.vote/index.html
Unions crippling production. Welfare state. Over inflated wages in the midst of decreased demand. Europe pulled out of the depression much faster than the US. The depression would have continued had we not entered WWII.
You want to idolize Marxism, be my guest. The depression should serve as proof that it doesn’t work.
But being who you are, it won’t.
All 166 votes in favor of opening up a House impeachment debate came from Republicans, apparently eager to paint Democrats as political creatures in a time of serious issues. Kucinich voted with his party, against his own measure.
“Kucinich voted with his party, against his own measure.
Kucinich introduced the resolution into the House on Tuesday night. ”
Political theatrics as usual, including
”
All 166 votes in favor of opening up a House impeachment debate came from Republicans, apparently eager to paint Democrats as political creatures in a time of serious issues”
bass turds all
Sol has a hard time explain how totally unionized and heavily taxed Europe is eating our lunch in the international marketplace. Even WalMart is unionized in Germany.
Euro kicking the dollar’s ass . . .
fleettwood posted June 11, 2008 at 3:15 pm
“I sure wish that Global Warming would hurry up!
Maybe they meant Global Cooling like they did in the 1970’s.”
fleettwood again proves that he is the BDP.
Single weather events are not climate.
Most scientists in the 1970’s were predicting warming.
‘The global cooling mole’ (as in the game, Whack-a-Mole’)
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/the-global-cooling-mole
“During the period we analyzed, climate science was very different from what you see today.
There was far less integration among the various sub-disciplines that make up the enterprise. Remote sensing, integrated global data collection and modeling were all in their infancy.
But our analysis nevertheless showed clear trends in the focus and conclusions the researchers were making. Between 1965 and 1979 we found (see table 1 for details):
* 7 articles predicting cooling
* 44 predicting warming
* 20 that were neutral
In other words, during the 1970s, when some would have you believe scientists were predicting a coming ice age, they were doing no such thing.
The dominant view, even then, was that increasing levels of greenhouse gases were likely to dominate any changes we might see in climate on human time scales.”
If you like it so much capn, why are you here?
German unemployment
“The seasonally adjusted jobless total increased by 4,000 on the month to 3.310 million, after a decline of 4,000 in April, and the jobless rate held at 7.9 percent for a third straight month, according to Federal Labor Office data.”
German unemployment
“The seasonally adjusted jobless total increased by 4,000 on the month to 3.310 million, after a decline of 4,000 in April, and the jobless rate held at 7.9 percent for a third straight month, according to Federal Labor Office data.”
“The number of people out of work in the euro zone and the EU stood still in January.
According to the Eurostat, EU’s statistical agency, the jobless rate in the 12-nation single currency union stayed at 8.4% in January, unchanged from the month before, despite analysts’ prediction of 0.2% rise.
Unemployment in the euro zone stood at the same level in January 2001.
The unemployment level in all the 15-member European union stood at 7.7%, also unchanged from the month before. “
“At the 2000 EU Summit at Lisbon in Portugal, the EU agreed to take concerted action to reduce unemployment. However progress so far has been limited. The recent slowdown in the Euro Zone economy has seen unemployment rising above 8.5% in the summer of 2003.”
http://tutor2u.net/economics/content/topics/europe/unemployment_introduction.htm
European Commission says average EU unemployment rate in the first quarter of 2008 fell to 6.7% – down from 7.4% a year earlier
http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1013641.shtml
hmmmmmm
Capn’??? Are you still here??
Eighty-five percent of Americans say warming is probably happening, and 62 percent say it threatens them personally. The National Academy of Sciences says the rise in the Earth’s surface temperature has been about one degree Fahrenheit in the past century. Did 85 percent of Americans notice? Of course not. They got their anxiety from journalism calculated to produce it. Never mind that one degree might be the margin of error when measuring the planet’s temperature.
Never mind that one degree might be the margin of error when measuring the planet’s temperature.
Over 100 years. What kind of equipment did they have in 1908?
“In September 2005 Sabine Dobel reported on Expatica.com (”Going without in Wealthy Germany”) that more and more Germans—the poor, the elderly, children, and the disabled—are suffering from malnutrition as a result of unemployment and cutbacks in government aid. Incidences of middle-class people removing food from dumpsters for their own consumption are on the rise in German cities, according to Dobel. Perhaps most alarming are reports that as many as 20% to 30% of people admitted to hospitals in Germany are malnourished, particularly sick children. In an ironic twist indicative of the urgency of the German situation, in March 2006 the Tawfiq Hospital in Malindi, Kenya—the twenty-sixth poorest country in the world—sent volunteer aid workers to Berlin to distribute coffee and tea to hungry Germans waiting in breadlines during Germany’s unusually cold winter. The group Medical Direct Help in Africa was “shocked into action after discovering that even people in a rich country like Germany could lack sustenance” (”Kenya Offers Aid to Third World Germany,” Deutsche Welle, March 6, 2006).”
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/lsesale/mau_gom_pa.pdf
This a dept of interior map showing active leases for drilling
fleettwood posted June 11, 2008 at 4:23 pm
“The National Academy of Sciences says the rise in the Earth’s surface temperature has been about one degree Fahrenheit in the past century. Did 85 percent of Americans notice?”
fleettwood again proves that he is the BDP.
The global surface temperature anomaly is not uniform over the Earth.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/Fig1_2007annual.gif
“What kind of equipment did they have in 1908?”
Grandpa’s knee would get the rhuematiz.
To take a person’s temperature, you put a thermometer in an orifice or under an arm. Taking the temperature of our churning planet, with its tectonic plates sliding around over a molten core, involves limited precision.
Activists understand the need to demand things far beyond what they hope to achieve. But human inertia means the changes take time or may never happen at all. The outcome may actually prove all the sturm und drang was far off the mark.
The much larger and more persistent Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has turned into its cool phase, telling us to expect moderately lower global temperatures until 2030 or so.
BDP fleettwood,
Grandpa’s knee was accurate to to about 1/10th degree C.? That’s amazing.
How much have the continents moved since the 1970’s?
‘Is Pacific Decadal Oscillation the Smoking Gun?’
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Is-Pacific-Decadal-Oscillation-the-Smoking-Gun.html
“When all forcings are included, net forcing shows good correlation with global temperatures. There is no single smoking gun. As our climate continues to absorb more energy than it emits, we can expect the long term warming trend to continue with short term fluctuations superimposed.”
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YUMMY!!
“There is no single smoking gun.”
I think we have a BINGO!
From the Department of Having it Every Which Way.
BDP fleettwood,
Are you unable to read, or just dumb?
We have long term warming caused by anthropogenic GHG’s.
PDO, ENSO and other factors just cause short term fluctuations superimposed on the long term AGW.
I don’t think cosmo knows when he is getting jerked. We don’t care about all your cut and pastes. It’s all phony, left wing crap.
I just posted this stuff to get you hot and bothered. You are funny.
The sky is falling. Again.
BDP fleettwood,
Okay, you are just dumb.
Name calling only makes the Earth warm.
You and Nathan have more in common than you will admit.
The Libs are trying to give it all away.
“Vote for us. We will let you sit on your ass for 6 month!”
Conservatives: We work hard, so you won’t have to.
“The bill would have extended the average $300-a-week unemployment benefit check by 13 weeks for all Americans. Job seekers in high unemployment states like Alaska, California, Michigan and Rhode Island would have been able to get an extra 13 weeks on top of that.”
BDP fleettwood,
You do not understand climate science, but you insist, without any credible proof, that it is wrong.
You believe that decades of careful research done by highly qualified scientists worldwide is “phony, left wing crap”.
You are dumb, and stating a obvious fact is not “name-calling”.
Ya know, some folks, instead of living lives of quiet desperation, live lives of quiet, and not so quiet INSPIRATION.
I hold these women in the same level of esteem as Barbara Jordan. How fitting that they will, once again, by overwhelming agreement, be the first gay couple to be LEGALLY married in California.
The debt of gratitude we owe them is of such magnitude that to even contemplate it overwhelms the spirit.
Go girls! (dont forget the comments on this thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221×77063
We are happy with you kfg.
Hey cons? Don’t like it? Tough.
ksfg – ditto BlueJay’s comment. I’m sure you are equally happy to let me and my wife of 37 years live our version of life. To each their own.
Too bad there are those who are so insecure in their own lives that they fear you.
Hey farmgrrl, May we call YOU our not-so-quiet inspiration? ‘Course that’s good for me then I get to “read” you! ;-)
How is two people being in a committed relationship a threat to anyone’s else’s marriage? Maybe those who throw stones need to look in their own backyard. Divorce is the biggest threat to marriage, not gay people getting married. Jesus preached against divorce, not gay marriage. What say you all you divorced “Christians” out there?
Who’s gay marriage broke up your own?
Freaking idiot financial experts on CNN, are just giddy over the economy. Oh look, if you just buy my book i’ll tell you how to get rich….and of course, they marginalize the folks earning 13,000 a year as the group who ‘buys lottery tickets instead of investing’.
BS! Yeah you can get rich from investing in a down market as long as you’ve got enough to live in in the first place. Beeyotches. Sure sap off those who are really hurting, revel in your vulture ways!
democratunderground please tell me how to think. please help me.
“You do not understand climate science, but you insist, without any credible proof, that it is wrong.”
You have noticed, have you not, all the coulda, woulda, shoulda’s you get from the GW nuts.
When you cry wolf enough, what happens?
I thought our lawn mower’s smoke were going to kill us? Methinks you people have played your hand twice too often.
Bow down to the alter of faith of the doom in the future.
Like you, Jesus’ followers were told ” this generation will not pass…” (future)
You and yours are as wrong as they were.
It’s easier to apologize later, I suppose.
Todd Tiahrt and fellow Republican Moran voted today to rejecte a House bill to extend unemployment benefits for Americans who can’t find a job.
Bush, in an English interview yesterday said that there was now a recognition that that richer countries needed to “transfer out of the hydrocarbon economy”
Fleettwood has certainly earned his blog spurs today with an ample amount of riding time. :D
I’m not sure if this is the right thread to post it on, but I do know it will garnish a fair share of, um, discussion. :) That is, if the childish name calling and garbage flies as it does most evenings.
But here ya. A paragraphs from an opinion piece by Camille Paglia on Salon.com regarding the Dem VP slot.
Given the looming importance of national security concerns, I used to think that Virginia’s pugnacious junior senator, Jim Webb, an ex-Marine, would be Obama’s most prudent running mate. Obama doesn’t need some veteran pol like the 66-year-old governor of Ohio, Ted Strickland, who would simply make Obama look younger than he is. Arizona’s ebullient Governor Janet Napolitano would certainly fill out my Italian-American dream ticket and help to nail down the Southwest. But I’ve come to feel that Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius is Obama’s best bet. She is a polished public presence who epitomizes that cordial, smoothly reassuring, and blandly generic WASPiness that has persistently defined the American power structure in business and government and that has weirdly resisted wave after wave of immigration since the mid-19th century. An Obama-Sebelius pairing would be visually vibrant and radiant, like a new day dawning.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/06/11/hillary/
Sorry for the typos. Gotta get back to work.
“Todd Tiahrt and fellow Republican Moran voted today to rejecte a House bill to extend unemployment benefits for Americans who can’t find a job.”
Good. I’m surprised moran voted against it. He’s an idiot. 5.5% unemployment? You can’t get a job in this economy? 6 months of extended unemployment in states with 2.5% unemployment?
Vote for me! Sit on your ass!
Giddyup!
BDP fleettwood,
Thank you for again proving that you do not understand climate science.
For example, temperature projections made back in 1988 for AGW pretty closely match the observed warming.
Enjoy your ignorance and denial… while you can.
Thank you, Baptist minister cosmo. You have taken the leap of faith and are as irritating as the folks who come up and ask “have you heard the word of the Lord”?
Like them, you can’t be proven wrong. Pretty good place to be, really.
I am listening to Disturbed “Down with the Sickness”
Rock on cosmo!
OOH AH KAA KAA
I hope you find yourself unemployed very soon Blogs dumbest poster fleetwood.
Maybe your village will find a cheaper idiot!
Voter Fraud Alert, Oh those Democrats
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/politics/19754129.html
The Louisiana Secretary of State said that his office is investigating a liberal group hired to register tens of thousands of new voters this year. According to state election officials, “a significant percentage of [voter registration cards] are being submitted without necessary information to register someone and blatantly false information.” For example, voter registration cards for prisoners and dead people were turned in, along with two for a Mr. George W. Bush at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Shreveport.
It’s easier to meet that goal when recruiters don’t pay attention to details, such as a pulse:
Secretary of State Jay Dardenne said Tuesday he will meet today with a Democrat-affiliated group responsible for a voter registration effort that is inundating East Baton Rouge and other parish registrars with bogus and incomplete applications.
Dardenne said his investigators are trying to determine if any state election laws have been violated as thousands of voter registration cards have been dumped on registrars offices through the efforts of VIP.
“We have some very real concerns about the data we are getting from them,” Dardenne said.
VIP is a Washington, D.C., group hired by national Democrats to register some 70,000 new voters in advance of the presidential and other federal elections this fall.
“With an effort this big there’s always going to be glitches and problems along these lines,” said Brian Welsh, communications director for the Democrats’ Louisiana Victory 2008.
“Obviously, we are ready to work with the registrars of each parish to make sure it’s going as efficiently as possible.”
State Republican Party chairman Roger Villere on Tuesday called for Dardenne to investigate. Dardenne said he already had a probe well under way.
Dardenne met Tuesday with East Baton Rouge Registrar of Voters Elaine Lamb and registrars from Jefferson, Orleans and Caddo, where the effort has largely been targeted.
The registration cards must be checked out and that’s putting a major burden on the office staffs, Dardenne said.
Dardenne said cards are being submitted for people already on the voter rolls and “a significant percentage are being submitted without necessary information to register someone and “blatantly false information.
Two cards received in Caddo Parish had George W. Bush as the voter applicant with a 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. address in Shreveport, Dardenne said. Other cards have been filed for prisoners who cannot vote and dead people. In Jefferson Parish, a voter registration card was filed for the registrar of voters.
“We want to safeguard the integrity of the process by making sure any group seeking to register Louisiana voters provide specific information and it’s not bogging down registrars offices with work premised on false information,” Dardenne said.
He said staff assistance and training will be forthcoming from his office “to deal with what we believe are going to be increases in voter registration leading up to the fall presidential election.”
bluejay:
My unemployment would take a few bucks from your mailbox. You don’t want that.
Your name calling just made the acid rain fall a little more. Remember acid rain?
Boys Don’t Cry– “I Wanna be a Cowboy”.
Killer!
BDP fleettwood,
Actually, you’ve already been proven wrong. You’re just too ignorant and/or dumb to know it.
The recent observed warming cannot be explained by only natural forcings.
Enjoy your ignorance and denial… while you can.
I get a kick out of the lib lightweights who think they are clever ganging up together calling fleettwood “BDP”. To his credit, it’s water off a duck’s back to fleety, who is probably the most clever, and one of the most astute bloggers here. His comments are short, but they cut like a knife, right to the heart of the issue.
You lightweights are just jealous.
Oh look, I guess that means you cosmos.
How very revealing of you outlander.
Like the origin of your nic is?
Praises for BDP fleetie who brought us prose like “MILFY” and “fap, fap, fap”?
Now I know you are getting desperate in your politics and beliefs. You’re slumming for companionship?
And SUCH praise! If fleetie is the best you’ve got you’re in more trouble than you know.
outlander,
Being ignorant and dumb like fleettwood would have some advantages. For example, you wouldn’t have to think. And you’d have much less to worry about.
I believe Outlander has just won a plaque for the most astute poster!
Pleased to be asking you to pick it up on your way out of the gift shop. Use Code libsaredopes.
“MILFY” and “fap, fap, fap”?
Ha Ha, that’s some good sht Maynard!
Tracy Chapman– “Fast Cars”
Killer!
I’ve added GILFY to my lexicon, too.
Thank you fleet. I think I’ll have one of those “Stop Global Whining” t shirts over there.
It’s on the house, Outlander.
Take one of the PETA shirts while you’re at it.
People for Eating Tasty Animals
For those who don’t know?
“Outlander” chose his nic because he doesn’t see himself as part of THIS world but rather of the “next” one.
ooo OOOOOOO ooooooo ooooo
For those who don’t know?
“BlueJay” chose his nic because he enjoys living off of the hard work of others, is selfish, and has an irritating squawk.
ooo OOOOOOO ooooooo ooooo
BlueJay also enjoys long walks on the beach with government cheese. His turn-offs include paying his way, responsibility, and happiness.
I dive bomb squirrels there “ANTI”. They are chock fulla nuts and make an interesting noise when they go splat.
Anti makes me LTMQ.
Aww share the wealth there Auntie James!
YOU are on the dole.
ooo OOOOOOO ooooooo ooooo
So how is it being a non-Dem…as it were?….kinda takin’ it easy these days hum…..gettin’ the ole blood pressure down hum….
Anybody think the dow will drop down out of the 12000 range this week?
yes
Who cares? The Dow means exactly what to you and me?
When it goes up, it’s disaster to the Libs. When it goes down, it’s the same thing.
5.5% unemployment. Get a job.
Cindi Cook, 44, of Hall County, GA took her son’s 16-year-old girlfriend to the Northside Women’s Clinic abortion mill, paid for the abortion, and falsified a parental notification form saying she was the girl’s mother. The girl’s baby was killed without the knowledge or consent of the girl’s parents, in an abortion coerced to prevent the baby’s interference with the college plans of the baby’s father. Cook is now sentenced to a year in jail.
The abortion mill may be criminally and civilly charged as well.
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Elly M. Peterson, 94, who as the Republican National Committee co-chairman during the 1960s and 1970s was one of the highest-ranking women in her party, died of complications from an infection June 9 at La Villa Grande Care Center in Grand Junction, CO. She was a leftist, pro-abortion Republican who promoted the doomed ERA and lobbied President Richard M. Nixon to appoint a woman to the U.S. Supreme Court. A decade later, President Ronald Reagan nominated Sandra O’Connor, the worst mistake of his presidency, causing the promotion and prolonging of nearly unrestricted abortions throughout America.
Never, never, never trust a RINO.
Peterson is another reason we may run short of millstones at the Second Resurrection.
(Luke 17:1-2; Revelation 18:20-21; 20:11-15)
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Angelica Maria Gutierrez Acosta, 19 of McAllen, TX (or perhaps Mexico) confessed to stabbing her 15-day-old baby to death with a kitchen knife in May, and is being held on a murder charge. Police found the tiny body hidden in a brushy area behind a building.
Who cares
Its a broad measures for the big cap stocks. You can make money if the market goes up or down. What does being lib or con have to with the market. You play the market, it doesn’t care about political leanings.
1997 —- Min. wage at $5.15 per hour…
2009 —- Min. wage at $7.25 per hour…
TWELVE YEARS…. You gotta include that TEN year period in there when there was NO increase… when the employer got a free ride on increased wages… all the while his own income was increasing!!
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On that note, I am out of here….
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings AALL!!
So mote it be!!
And parkay continues to celebrate the effects of his legislation.
“Cock Mommy Loves Cock Cocks”
Does the eagle have an “R” rating on this site?
outlander posted June 11, 2008 at 10:15 pm
“Thank you fleet. I think I’ll have one of those “Stop Global Whining” t shirts over there.”
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Get it personalized. Add something like,
“I Know MORE About Global Warming Than ALL Of The Highly-Credentialed, Peer-Reviewed Climate Scientists WORLDWIDE!!!”
Then your name, and “June 2008″.
outlander, do you have spouse, or a close friend?
Then you should buy them a t-shirt that says “I’m With STUPID”, when you’re out together, and you’re wearing your personalized “Stop Global Whining” t-shirt.
Regular and many others, are sooo fond of posting day after day after day concerning what they call “Cosmos, the non-scientist”
Well, I for one am getting sick and tired of seeing that…. I am calling you out, any and all of you —–
PUT UP SOME PROOF THAT COSMOS IS A NON-SCIENTIST, OR JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT…. IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO CALL YOU ALL TO SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR FALSE POSTS…
THE REST OF US WILL WAIT FOR YOUR PROOF AND EVIDENCE….
:ROLL:
Good God Almighty – Parkay perplexes yet again…..
What in the muck does RINO stand for? Or is M3 just comparing some uppity woe-man to a very corpulent animal – if one shoves an extra letter in there? If so, it’s very un-Christlike, if you ask me. (Not that anyone should ask a mere female for her opinion…..)
Is Mr. Parkay condemning O’Connor? Mrs. O’Connor’s husband is now suffering from Alzheimer’s; her anguished devotion to him has touched my heart during several of her TV interviews. She certainly is not overweight; her daily dedication probably doesn’t allow for self-indulgence in this regard.
My gawsh, I’m just too sensitive, I guess. I can’t get behind that sort of old-time, fire’n-brimstone, tent-revivin’, soul-condemnin’, wimmin-hatin’ brand of religion. Those flailin’ and a-wailin’ preachers scare the kokens out of me! They give me bladder incontinence!
Whatever attributes Parkay may or may not possess aren’t all that abundant in this odious offering.
“FilmFan” –
“kokens?”
RINO = Republican In Name Only
DINO = Democrat In Name Only
Chas,
You can’t be this ignorant. No matter how justified you think this is, you can’t ignore the economic impact and the fact that this hurts the very people you claim to be trying to help.
I don’t know if you share the same hatred for those who are out in the country earning money operating small businesses, but to overlook the impact is sheer stupidity.
Reality chas. When the cost of hiring a new employee increase 40% what do you think a small business owner is going to do? When the cost of retaining an employee rises 40% what do you think the small business owner will do? That is 40% over two years chas. Reality.
You and cappy get this warm fuzzy because you think you are ‘helping the little guy’. You’ve done the opposite. You’ve priced out new entrants into the work force and have increased the price on virtually everything.
Unemployment and higher prices. Good job chas. Way to go Cappy. Y’all still warm and fuzzy?