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THE STRANGE DEATH OF THE CAP-AND-TRADE MOVEMENT
For months, Democrats and the environmental lobby promoted last week’s Senate global-warming debate as a political watershed. It was going to be the historic turning point in U.S. climate change policy. In the event, their bill collapsed in a little more than three days.
Democrats failed to secure a majority, much less the 60 Senators necessary, for a procedural vote on Friday morning that would have allowed the real work of amending the bill to begin. By that point, Majority Leader Harry Reid had already made it plain that he wanted the bill off the floor as quickly as possible – despite calling climate change “the most critical issue of our time.” But not critical enough, apparently, even to let his Members vote on the merits, much less amendments.
The strange death of this year’s cap-and-trade movement was so unexpected that some are already predicting a shift in the politics of global warming. That’s premature. Still, the postmortem holds lessons for the next time this issue emerges.
Until last week, the Democratic M.O. on climate change was to lash the Bush Administration for its supposed inaction and then pass responsibility onto regulators and the courts. Proponents thought they had the whip hand. Yet this time they had to defend an actual piece of legislation – and once it was subjected to even preliminary scrutiny, the Democrats crumpled faster than you can say $4 gas.
Bad timing was the least of it. Republicans methodically dismantled the cost and complexity of “cap and trade,” which sounds harmless but would inflict collateral damage on the wider economy in lost GDP and higher prices up and down the energy chain. Conveniently, the Democrats would also bestow unto Congress (read: themselves) some $6.7 trillion in new tax revenues and carbon welfare handouts over the next four decades. Some of the most effective opponents – like freshman GOP Senator Bob Corker – support climate regulation but view the current scheme as frivolous, dishonest or both.
Their task was helped along by the incompetence of the Democrats, especially floor manager Barbara Boxer. Environmentalists deemed it blasphemy that anyone would oppose their grand ambitions, instead of trying to persuade. “I resent the Senator from Tennessee saying our bill is a slush fund,” Ms. Boxer said at one point, apparently serious.
After Mr. Corker called the bill “the mother of all earmarks” and “a huge unnecessary transference of wealth,” Ms. Boxer was reduced to arguing that it’s really “a huge tax cut for the American people” and “will not increase gas prices.” These are delusions, or worse. Cap and trade is designed to raise energy prices, which are supposed to spur the investments and behavior changes needed for a less carbon-intensive economy.
Such realities are beginning to seep into liberal precincts. After the bill bottomed out, no fewer than 10 Democrats from the Midwest and South – whose economies rely on coal-fired power or heavy industry and thus will be disproportionately affected – registered their displeasure with Mr. Reid and Ms. Boxer. Including Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Carl Levin (Michigan), Jay Rockefeller (West Virginia) and Jim Webb (Virginia), the Senators said they could not support cap and trade “in its current form” because it would cause “undue hardship on our states, key industrial sectors and consumers.”
Even Barack Obama and John McCain backed away from a bill they claim to favor. Mr. McCain said he opposed it because it didn’t do enough for nuclear power, while Mr. Obama blamed the failure on Republicans. But the word on Capitol Hill is that both Presidential candidates urged Mr. Reid to yank the bill, lest they get trapped into voting for higher energy prices.
Maybe a vast reordering of the American economy in the name of solving a speculative problem isn’t as popular as the greens believe. And perhaps President Bush’s approach to climate change – voluntary reductions and subsidies for alternative technology – will seem a lot more realistic once the partisan fevers of the moment have passed.
That’s not to say that cap and trade won’t return in a more politically potent form next year. The greens will regroup and try to do a better job of buying off their adversaries, especially businesses that could profit from carbon regulation. Nonetheless, this past week has shown that the more transparent any cap and trade debate is, the less chance this tax and spend idea will become law.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121296724450055721.html
I wonder why so-called “Family Values” voters consider same-gender marriage a threat while they ignore divorce.
Perhaps Kansans should revise the gay marriage ban to address this problem. Something like:
Inasmuch as marriage is a sacred covenant between a man, a woman, and Our Lord Jesus, no divorce shall be granted unless the wife is crippled in a car accident.
Call it the McCain Amendment.
I thought registration was supposed to get rid of the spam posts. What gives?
Somedays I don’t know what is worse on this blog, the spam ads or the petty insults.
Nice to see only the spam so far today.
Here’s the laugh of the morning!
I was surfing past http://www.fivethirtyeight.com and noticed the newest web spot by John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term).
Against a dim backdrop of random cheering supporters, it flashes the script: “One man has the experience. One man has the courage. One man has our trust” — and then finishes with an old shot of a younger McCain, circa 1980!
He’s got hair!
He doesn’t have any jowl sacks!
Think the McSame campaign is worried about their geriatric candidate just a little bit?!
I have a special request this morning. We have been working with the Messiah’s Branch Homeless Mission to gather the funds to erect a nice awning behind the mission. This would serve the purpose of providing some shelter in the rain or hot sun, and also provide a bit of privacy from prying eyes that call the police every time they see a homeless person.
The problem is this.. the City of Wichita has determined that the Homeless Mission is a “business” and is requiring a blueprint for the simple structure before they will issue a permit.
The Mission operates on a tight budget of donations, so paying for a blueprint in effect will take food out of the mouths of those who need it.
Does anyone know a contractor or structural engineer that would be willing to donate a small amount of time to provide a blueprint, or would do it for a small fee? If anyone can help, please contact me through the web site…. Thanks!!
Sam – I don’t know any contractors but I’ll ask. I won’t be here online today – will be wielding a hammer (nailgun?) at a Habitat for Humanity build site. Maybe someone there will know.
Meanwhile, back on the political front, more slime oozes out of the Bush administration;
“Report: Abramoff influenced actions
New White House documents and testimony reportedly confirm dozens of White House contacts with convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
BY MARISA TAYLOR
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON – Convicted superlobbyist Jack Abramoff influenced White House actions while his firm wooed administration officials over expensive meals and plied them with box tickets to sporting events, according to a House of Representatives committee report released Monday.
The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform said Monday that it had received new White House documents and testimony that confirmed 80 White House contacts with Abramoff and uncovered 70 others despite White House assertions that Abramoff had vastly overblown his administration connections. Abramoff, who’s cooperating with federal prosecutors after pleading guilty in an expanding corruption investigation, previously reported that his former firm had more than 400 contacts with White House officials.
The House report obtained photos of Abramoff meeting President Bush on six occasions, including political receptions. Bush has said he doesn’t remember Abramoff, and the White House has refused to release the photos. The committee posted low-quality versions of them on its Web site Monday after receiving them from the White House.
“The new documents and testimony show that Mr. Abramoff had personal contact with President Bush, that high-level White House officials held Mr. Abramoff and his associates in high regard and solicited recommendations from Mr. Abramoff on policy matters,” the committee said.
The committee added, however, that it had “obtained no evidence” that Abramoff lobbied the president directly.
The report’s release comes as the criminal investigation into the lobbying scandal appears to be regaining momentum in court after a brief lull.
In April, former senior Justice Department official Robert Coughlin II acknowledged that he did favors for Abramoff’s clients while accepting free meals and tickets to sports games paid for by Abramoff’s former firm. Last week, a former congressional aide of former Rep. Ernest Istook, R-Okla., pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge for accepting gifts in exchange for taking legislative action on behalf of Abramoff’s firm.
Committee members acknowledged they couldn’t determine whether White House officials had paid for their own meals, although they said they confirmed meetings took place. The committee also verified that some officials had even solicited tickets to sporting events from Abramoff’s firm.”
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/430100.html
“If anyone can help”
I don’t know of anyone that can help, but I did want to say that you should be commended for your efforts for a worthy cause, SamKan.
Cheers!
SamKan,
Isn’t JR into stuff like this?
SolDevVB.. I’m not sure, I haven’t been much in circulation since my “kansassam” nic went away.
WSClark.. thanks.. it is getting really difficult with the present economy. Those of us not attached to United Way or Interfaith or the core agencies in the City really struggle to get anything done.
The world is starting to realize the crock of crap that the oil companies and their minions, the scientific grant whores, are trying to feed us.
From Wiki
Several think tanks funded by Exxon or, later, ExxonMobil to contest climate change have also reputedly received funding from Philip Morris such as the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Hudson Institute, the Frontiers of Freedom Institute, the Reason Foundation, George Mason University’s Law and Economics Center, and the Independent Institute.[27]
If there’s one thing I hate having to do – even more than discussing human sexuality with St. Augustine, or opining on animal rights with Neal Horsley – it is the following:
Turning a would-be swain down. Firmly. Unambiguously. Yet kindly. Without destroying someone’s ego…and the chance to find love with another, more reciprocating female.
Yesterday it happened again. I was forced to let a would-be Lothario know I just wasn’t into him. I didn’t put it that way, natch. I gently said, “I don’t believe these issues are appropriate for the workplace, sir.”
Dude kept asking me if I was married or “wanted to be married.” Dude kept asking me if I “wanted to date”. Dude stared at me so often – and with such a serial killa slant – that it (among other thangs) put me off.
The gent is somewhat vision impaired, so he can’t possibly know that the big b–ch towers over him. And I can’t deal with that. Call me a retro-sexist, but I can’t abide having a man standing on his tippy-toes – just so I sing “I’ve got you, under my chin.”
I can’t fathom slow-dancing with the aspiring Fred Astaire while crooning, “There’s a place for us”…..and having Mr. Twinkle-Toes derive too clear a vision of that aspiration.
Just ain’t happenin’.
My heart goes out to Sandy Allen of Australia – the world’s tallest woman. In a way, I know how she feels.
I’ve had more than few occasions where I probably should have been blunt-er. But I couldn’t. It just wasn’t in me. If I can avoid hurting someone’s feelin’s – I’m gonna do it.
To that end, I even once told someone I was really, truly a man. And I was on my way to my latest sex-change procedure. I’ve told people I had an incurable, highly contagious illness that would make wretched their destinies.
Hint-hint to that dumb-a$$, aspiring (failed) Richard Crowson wannabe who recently doubted my “compassion.” You look like a dork with this one, dude.
Boortz could be on to why we had a good bump in the unemployment numbers.
WHAT’S YOUR TEENAGER UP TO THIS SUMMER?
Chances are they probably aren’t working. And who can you thank for that … the government.
Researchers at Northeaster University estimate that summer 2008 will be “the worst in post-World War II history” for teen summer employment. Only about one third of American teenagers will have a summer job and the rates are even lower for low-income and minority teens.
So why is this? One of the main reasons is because of government mandated wage increases. Economic researchers show, yet again, that increasing the minimum wage destroys jobs for low-skilled workers and does nothing to fight “poverty.” For every 10% increase in the minimum wage, employment for high school dropouts and black teenagers falls by 8.5% … and in the past 11 months alone, the US government has increased the minimum wage by more than twice that amount.
But the government always knows best … right?
“Boortz could be on to why we had a good bump in the unemployment numbers.”
Or it could be that underemployed adults have taken the minimum wages jobs formerly done by younger people. Illegal immigration also plays a part in low paying jobs disappearing. The opportunities for younger workers are vanishing.
By the way, unemployed teenagers do not factor into unemployments statistics.
“FilmFan” –
You had me at “discussing human sexuality with St. Augustine”
Genuinely funny and perceptive.
SAM — You might contact WATC, or Vatterott College, or even WSU engineering/drafting departments — see if they have any students who might make you a blue print, for a class project?? Couldnt hurt anything!!
SquarePeg..
Thanks for the idea.. I’ll ask Pastor Dan if the blueprint needs to be “certified” or drawn by a licensed professional. Knowing the City, I am assuming they will require the most expensive option.. I don’t really think they want a homeless mission anywhere near downtown.
Film Fan — I do believe you need your own little syndicated column somewhere! You are a riot – a pleasure to read!
Iraqi Lawmakers Reveal New US Demands on Long-Term Deal
Iraqi lawmakers have released new details of Bush administration demands in talks over a long-term compact between Iraq and the United States. The negotiations are being held before the UN mandate authorizing the US occupation expires next month. According to the McClatchy Newspapers, Iraqi parliamentarians say the US has demanded control of at least fifty-eight military bases, as well as Iraqi airspace up to 30,000 feet. The fifty-eight US bases would nearly double the current total of around thirty bases. In what could be seen as a threat to Iran, the lawmakers also say the US has demanded rights that would effectively allow it to decide if another country is committing aggression against Iraq. The Bush administration does not consider its invasion and occupation an act of aggression against Iraq. But it’s repeatedly accused Iran of intervening in Iraq’s affairs. Iraqi lawmakers say they’ve rejected these proposals. The Independent of London reported last week US officials are leveraging tens of billions of dollars in seized Iraqi assets to push through its demands, which also include complete immunity for American soldiers and contractors. A leading lawmaker from the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq called the US proposals “more abominable than the occupation.” The lawmaker, Jalal al-Din al-Saghir, said, “Now we are being asked to sign for our own occupation. That is why we have absolutely refused all that we have seen so far.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/10/headlines
Kucinich Introduces Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush
On Capitol Hill, Democratic Congressmember Dennis Kucinich has introduced thirty-five articles of impeachment against President Bush. On Monday, Kucinich took to the House floor to accuse President Bush of war crimes and deceiving the public in the run-up to the Iraq invasion.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich: “All of these actions by the President and his agents and subordinates exhibit a disregard for the truth and a recklessness with regard to national security, nuclear proliferation and a global role of the United States military that is not merely unacceptable, but is dangerous in a commander-in-chief.”
Kucinich introduced a similar resolution against Vice President Dick Cheney last year. The measures have come in defiance of Democratic Party leadership, which has declared impeachment “off the table.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/10/headlines
Obama Calls for Oil Windfall Tax
On the campaign trail, Democratic Senator Barack Obama kicked off his presidential campaign Monday as the presumptive Democratic nominee with a call for a new tax on windfall oil profits. Obama addressed supporters in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Senator Barack Obama: “I’ll shut down the corporate loopholes and tax havens, and I’ll use the money to help pay for a middle-class tax cut that will proved $1,000 of relief—$1,000 of relief—to 95 percent of workers and their families. I’ll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we’ll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills.”
Obama’s pledge came as the price for gas reached a record-high $4 a gallon.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/10/headlines
And if this goes through, we will be lucky if gas only goes to $7.00 per gallon.
How about a tax on the real cause of the gas prices? Tax the shit out of the stock trades for commodities.
Or how about we get control of the dollar? Instead of throwing freshly printed money to the banks and Wall Street, why don’t we get some of that currency out of circulation?
Until the dollar shows some sign of recovering value against the yen and euro, tain’t nothing going to lower the cost of oil/gasoline.
And to strengthen the dollar, interest rates will have to be raised and deficit spending will have to be reined in.
Both options are going to be painful and require sacrifice from the American people.
In other words, we are going to have to bite the bullet instead of “going shopping.”
bth since you seem to be a man of integrity and work on projects to help our disadvantaged so I will take it easy on your post.
You listed some unsubstantiated claims about some White House aides and thought this was news because..??
Bush isn’t running for president. McCain and Obama are. We should be looking at their friends and cohorts. Think Rezko, Ayres, Dohrn, Wright, do I need to go on. Or how about the Keating five?
Concentrate – the issue is Novembers election.
“Bout time to be responible isn’t it?”
Yep – the bookie is at the door and he wants his money.
Tonight CNBC will be airing a special “Your Money, Your Vote” program focusing on the economic stance of the two presidential candidates.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25074122
“McCain: ‘I will veto every single beer’”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Kucinich is introducing Articles of Impeachment on the floor of the House.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDZ8seg4Nr4
SolDevVB
Posted June 10, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink
Kucinich Introduces Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush
BBC: Britain to Announce Full Withdrawal of Troops From Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364865,00.html
Democrats’ Oil Windfall Tax Plan Fails in Senate Vote
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364846,00.html
From the above link..
“”The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy,” said Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat”
Exactly how much profit is acceptable then. Who decides?
“SolDevVB” cites –
From the above link..
“”The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy,” said Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat”
And asks –
“Exactly how much profit is acceptable then. Who decides?”
I do.
Big Oil was making obscene profits — measured as a percentage of retail prices (back in 2001 (when Shrub/Cheney took office) on $1.45-per-gallon gasoline.
But as the retail price goes up, the percentage formula for profits grows in dollars-and-cents.
If you build a 10% profit into the formula at $1.00 per unit and make money at 10-cents-per-unit, there’s no incentive to hold down retail prices when you collect 40-cents-per-unit on a $4.00 selling price.
Give Exxon-Mobil its profit based on 2001 prices.
Next problem?
Exxon Mobile profit margin
Profit Margin (ttm): 10.85%
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=xom
11% profit is too much from “monkeyhawk”.
Not a business owner are you?
Monkey do you actually know much about economics and the difference between gross and net profit?
I’m not saying they aren’t making money I am saying that in most companies a normal overhead is in the 14%-19% range. But when we start talking windfall profits that won’t figure in. We will have to look at the exploration costs, the drilling?? costs, the recovery costs, the refining costs, the delivery costs, etc… Once these are removed from the profit picture then we have the net profit and it is below 10% currently. Do we go after all companies making over 8.5% net profits. Why just the oil companies? Where do we draw the line? Who will determine this? An inept senate and house who can’t even manage their own restaurant? We had better look elsewhere for that money.
Got to love those Democrats!
Punish those who are successful. You are making “too much” money, you must be punished.
Nevermind that if the Democrats would actually allow us to explore more domestic oil the prices would go down.
Nope. Lets blame the oil companies.
Nevermind that the government makes money off taxing gas at the pump and from the profits of the oil companies as well.
Nope. Lets blame the oil companies.
What lunacy.
When Government is the problem, the solution is not more government.
Jeez, a post from Nathaniel Price that does NOT accuse someone of being a false Christian.
Wonders will never cease.
Mark this date down on your calender.
Rather than do something that might actually ease the supply problem in the long term Democrats say “Lets tax the shit out of someone”. That’s some real leadership.
WS Clark,
There is only one person who I question here and that is Chas.
I suppose we should also celebrate because no one has questioned my father or I on our faith either?
Hypocrites.
By the way, Heckler, what is your plan to balance the Federal budget – specifically – and generate a surplus budget to pay down our nearly $9.5 trillion Debt?
And remember, trickle down economic tax cuts have NEVER come even close to balancing the budget.
Jeez –
The example I cited still applies. Big Oil was highly profitable getting a (and the figure I chose was hypothetical) 10% profit on $1 per unit. With the price now $4 per unit, the companies which were doing fine — marketing, refining, drilling, etc — now collect 40-cents per unit instead of a dime per unit. It doesn’t cost any more to drill, market, refine that unit and there’s 30-cents more profit built into the formula. Why would Big Oil want to lower the retail price.
First Quarter this year Exxon-Mobil hauled in $10 Billion in profits. Shell grabbed $9 Billion. BP took $7.6 Billion and ConocoPhillips made of with $4 Billion. And that was based on $3.00 a gallon gasoline.
Luckily for those poor starving oil companies that saps such as “SolDevVb” and “okobserver” and “Nathaniel” have their backs and support spending their tax dollars for more government subsidies to Big Oil.
So what do we do about oil which is not from the “big oil” companies?
Will we punish Saudi Arabia for the profits they are making?
How exactly do the Democrats propose to do that?
What will the market look like when we are punishing our own domestic companies in a world market?
“There is only one person who I question here and that is Chas.”
Really? What about your unwarranted jabs at Capn’, MonkeyHawk, etc.?
I guess those don’t count.
And, by the way, I could care less about your or your father’s faith. That is strictly your issue.
Allegre’s second thoughts
The Deniers — The National Post’s series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388
“His break with what he now sees as environmental cant on climate change came in September, in an article entitled “The Snows of Kilimanjaro” in l’ Express, the French weekly. His article cited evidence that Antarctica is gaining ice and that Kilimanjaro’s retreating snow caps, among other global-warming concerns, come from natural causes. “The cause of this climate change is unknown,” he states matter of factly. There is no basis for saying, as most do, that the “science is settled.”
The USA government needs NEW faces such as Lee Jones not a return of Washington D.C. insiders such as Slattery and Roberts.
Jim Slattery was a special interest agent as a house member. Then he became a lobbyist for special interests. Now he is back as a super insider. The USA government needs NEW faces such as Lee Jones not a return of Washington D.C. insiders such as Slattery and Roberts.
In six years we can review what Lee Jones has accomplished. If we don’t like it we find someone else. I say vote for a new face and Lee Jones.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
KAN. U.S. SEN. CANDIDATE JIM SLATTERY HAS DEEP LOBBYIST TIES
Democrat Jim Slattery Worked for Powerful Lobbying Firm for Over 15 Years
Jim Slattery, a Kansas U.S. Senate candidate running against Republican Sen. Pat Roberts has deep ties to the lobbying industry. Slattery, who has lived in Virginia for over 15 years, is a partner at Wiley Rein, LLP a Washington, D.C. law firm located on K-street. The lobbying firm employs over 230 lawyers and describes Slattery as one of its top lobbyists.
Slattery joined the lobbying firm Wiley Rein & Fielding after losing a bid to become the Governor of Kansas in 1994 to Republican Bill Graves with a 24-point deficit. After losing that election, Slattery moved to Virginia to began his work for the Wiley Rein & Fielding lobbying firm. Wiley Rein is widely considered a powerful lobbying firm in Washington, D.C with the typical firm partner earning approximately $4.5 million a year. The lobbying firm has previously described Slattery as one of the top telecom lobbyists in Washington D.C. Slattery has also represented steel, energy and insurance companies while working for the lobbying firm.
The lobbying firm changed it’s name to Wiley Rein, LLP after senior partner Fred Fielding left to become Chief Counsel to President Bush, following the departure of former Chief Counsel Harriet Miers. Prior to leaving Wiley Rein, Fielding was heavily involved with aiding the Bush administration in developing policy and was a key figure in the confirmation of Donald Rumsfield as Defense Secretary. Upon becoming Chief Counsel to the President, Fielding has filled White House legal offices with numerous other lawyers from Wiley Rein.
In addition to Fred Fielding, the firm also employs other controversial political figures such as current FCC Chair, Kevin Martin. The lobbying firm was also slapped with a multi-million dollar fine last year for withholding policy information from policyholders affected by the World Trade Center attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. The firm has also courted controversy by seeking to limit insurance coverage for Hurricane Katrina victims by arguing that the damage caused was flood damage rather than hurricane damage and therefore claims were not legitimate.
According to Legal Times, the firm “represents as perfect a merging of public policy and corporate America as exists in Washington.” Current corporate Wiley Rein clients include AT&T, Time-Warner, CBS, Viacom, Gannett, United Parcel Service, Spirit Airlines, Philips Electronics, UNOCAL, the Kansas City Southern Railroad, Intelsat, and Motorola, Belo, Emmis, Gray Television, and Motorola.
Slattery will face fellow Democrat Lee Jones to determine who will be the Democratic candidate to face Sen. Roberts in November.
Jones is a railroad engineer living in Overland Park and has advocated issues relating to working families, workplace and transportation safety, healthcare and retirement security at both the state and federal levels as a former Vice President of Governmental Affairs for the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers.
Jones has stated, “I will not represent insurance companies, the oil industry, pharmaceutical companies or any other big business. I will represent the needs of the small businesses in Kansas, the hardworking family farmers of Kansas and the average Kansan.”
Contact: Lou Ann Kempf
Contact Number: 913-385-0281
Email: campaignmanager@leejones.com
WS Clark,
Since when did MonkeyHawk claim to be a Christian?
By the way, the pig MonkeyHawk, deserves whatever he gets.
Everyday he does far more to attack me than I have ever done to him.
Hypocrite. Why don’t you get onto him?
I don’t question CapnAmerica being a Christian. I simply question certain things he believes. Figuring that he has no problem always questioning my father and I either.
Besides, I have made a deal with him at least twice now and he is always the first to break it.
So who else claims to be a Christian that I say isn’t besides Chas?
“By the way, the pig MonkeyHawk, deserves whatever he gets.”
Disagreements are one thing – to accuse someone of a heinous crime like pedophilia goes WAY beyond the pale.
MonkeyHawk,
Only a liberal idiot like you would think that taking less money from the oil companies is somehow spending our tax dollars.
U.S. SEN. CANDIDATE LEE JONES NAMES CAMPAIGN LEADERSHIP
Democrat Lee Jones Builds Campaign as he Gains Grass-root Support in Kansas
U.S. Senate candidate Lee Jones picks up grassroots support. Democrat Lee Jones has continued to pick up support among state Democratic Party activists. Jones recently announced his campaign will be co-chaired by former Kansas Speaker of the House Marvin Barkis and Shirley Jacques, a former member of the Democratic National Committee. Sue Peachey will serve as treasurer and Lou Ann (Swarens) Kempf as campaign manager.
Former Kan. Speaker of the House Marvin Barkis of Louisburg is serving as co-chairman of Jones’ 2008 U.S. Senate campaign against Pat Roberts. Barkis is a 14-year veteran of the Kansas House and established himself as an advocate for health, welfare and education during his time in the Kansas legislature.
Shirley Jacques of Salina will serve as campaign co-chairwoman for Jones’ Senate campaign. Jacques’ is a former member of the Democratic National Committee. Jacques currently serves as the First District Vice-Chair for the Kan. Democratic Party and has received awards from the Kan. Democratic Party for her service to Democratic candidates and the party.
Lou Ann (Swarens) Kempf will be working as campaign manager for Jones’ Senate bid. Kempf is a veteran of numerous congressional campaigns in Kansas, Missouri and Nevada. Kempf (Swarens) previously served in campaign management roles for local, state and national elections and was active in both the Gore campaign in 2000 and Clinton campaign in 1996. Kempf (Swarens) has also been active in promoting democratic values by establishing and supporting grassroots democratic organizations and networks throughout the country.
Sue Peachey of Pratt is serving Jones’ campaign as treasurer. Peachey is active in many local and regional organizations and currently serves as co-Chair of the Pratt County Democratic Central Committee and precinct person for township 12. Peachey has worked to elect many candidates at the local, state and national levels.
Since announcing his campaign, Lee Jones has also established his campaign web site, http://www.leejones.com. Jones has also recognized the importance of using online social networking tools such as Facebook and Myspace to connect with young voters in this election and has begun to establish his online presence in that domain as well.
Contact: Lou Ann Kempf
Contact Number: 913-385-0281
Email: campaignmanager@leejones.com
Say YES in support of new faces!!!
Want green collar jobs,alternative energy, jobs back to america and healthcare for all? Fire 95% of all elected officials! Jim Slattery is an incumbent …. A super insider!
Why is it Americans cannot elect a representative instead of a name from corporate america? What is the romance? Why do americans fall over themselves for political media stars and fat cats? Have we not learned that these people NEVER make things better they just continue the corporate welfare and watch american jobs go abroad. It really stinks!
The news media and corporate america do NOT need to decide who OUR candidates should be for local,state or federal level representation.
The media takes in a ton of cash during our election periods and play a huge role in selecting candidates for all sides of the aisle. Then THEY decide who should participate in televised debates as if no one else matters to the voters. Yes they also seem to decide which issues are important to voters and many times miss the mark. The media has become a large part of the special interest takeover of our process as if they know what is best for all of us. Voters support this takeover by voting for those candidates who also spend the most money and the question is why?
Campaigns go too long,spend way too much money and do not necessarily provide the best available. It is up to us to stop the nonsense at the voting booths on the 2008 ballot.
Not voting sends the wrong message and changes nothing.
Lets’s demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/
Demand a change on the 2008 ballot.
The big money candidates are more beholden than ever to corporate special interests due to the very long nature of campaigns. How do they have time to do the job they were elected to do? We need public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out.
http://www.publicampaign.org/
Who would be against Public Funding? The special interest money providers and their bought and paid for politicians!
Nathaniel posted June 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm
“Allegre’s second thoughts”
Nathaniel yet again proves that he is very easily conned re AGW science.
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Claude_Allegre.html
“Taken at face value this seems like a powerful blow against the strong worldwide consensus on climate change. However, if you analyze Allegre’s very brief editorial and subsequent comments a little more closely you will realize that he managed to:
1. Screw up the name of a scientific journal*
2. Claimed the glacier melt over the last few decades was due to the movement of multi-million year old mountains. An argument that Georg Hoffman calls an “obvious error” due to dramatically different time scales.
3. Misrepresent the state of the science to such an extent that the French scientific community wrote an open letter in protest
4. Misrepresent scientific literature to the point that even the authors of the very papers Allegre cited were crying foul.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/con-allegre-ma-non-troppo/
5. Claim climate models predict warming on the South Pole when in fact they do not.
6. Leave clues about a possible political motive ”
More at link.
Cosmos yet again proves he can’t debate anything, only tear down anyone who disagrees with AGW.
WS
“And remember, trickle down economic tax cuts have NEVER come even close to balancing the budget.”
Care to explain that one? If you are trying to say that economic stimulus that results from lower taxes does not increase revenue you would be wrong. Look at how tax revenue increased after Reagan cut taxes. Look how revenue increased following the Bush tax cut.
The problem was during both of those time frames we did not cut spending we increased it dramatically.
“If you are trying to say that economic stimulus that results from lower taxes does not increase revenue you would be wrong.”
Never said that…………………….
I said that tax cuts – trickle down economics – have never produced a balanced budget.
Cut spending? Fine.
Why didn’t Reagan cut spending – he had a veto pen.
Why didn’t Bush the Smarter cut spending – he had a veto pen.
Why didn’t Bush the Dumber cut spending – he had both Houses of Congress for six of the last seven years.
The fact is, those three presidents are responsible for seventy five percent of the National Debt.
So, where are the “Republican” balanced budgets?
Nathaniel posted June 10, 2008 at 1:51 pm
“Cosmos yet again proves he can’t debate anything, only tear down anyone who disagrees with AGW.”
And Nathaniel yet again proves that he can’t understand that science is about the science, NOT the person.
Credible science is done by scientific methodology, and peer-reviewed science papers.
Claude Allegre wrote an error-filed editorial. He did not do “science”.
So, where are the “Republican” balanced budgets?
Ask Ron Paul…
Meet LEE JONES:
http://www.leejones.com/meet.html
WSclark
If you are saying Bush and Bush spent too much money I agree wholeheartedly. Neither one of them was a conservative.
Reagan, he wanted to greatly increase spending on the military. In order to get it he had to make concessions to congress on other spending issues.
Monkeyhawk
Posted June 10, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
Jeez –
The example I cited still applies. Big Oil was highly profitable getting a (and the figure I chose was hypothetical) 10% profit on $1 per unit. With the price now $4 per unit, the companies which were doing fine — marketing, refining, drilling, etc — now collect 40-cents per unit instead of a dime per unit. It doesn’t cost any more to drill, market, refine that unit and there’s 30-cents more profit built into the formula. Why would Big Oil want to lower the retail price.
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Isn’t it a little naive on your part to think that while our cost for food, raw materials, vehicles and employment costs are going up that the same for oil companies are staying stagnant.
They have to pay their employees raises, pay increased benefits, spend more for the vehicles they purchase for exploration, drilling, hauling, etc..
Why are dems so simplistic. Why do the conservatives always have to point out the obvious.
What year did Reagan decrease goverment spending?
WS I don’t think that the public – thats you and me – have access to private HR records for any company. But I have friends in the pretroleum industry and they are very well paid. They wouldn’t stay with a company that didn’t offer competive salaries and benefits.
Still simplistic I see. Why are the dems so easy?
A balanced budget – man you gotta stay off the joy juice.
Nathaniel,
Your response to my pointing out the multiple errors Allegre made,
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Claude_Allegre.html
was,
“Cosmos yet again proves he can’t debate anything, only tear down anyone who disagrees with AGW.”
Nathaniel, are you suggesting that your non-peer-reviewed AGW skeptics should not be fact-checked?
Is the world supposed to treat your non-peer-reviewed AGW skeptics like Gods, and not question anything that they claim?
“A balanced budget – man you gotta stay off the joy juice.”
So wanting – demanding – a balanced budget means that I am “on the joy juice?”
And the ‘Pukes call us “tax and spenders?”
Losers.
“But I have friends in the pretroleum industry and they are very well paid”
Well, that makes it just hunky dory now, doesn’t it?
And it is spelled “petroleum.”
“Kucinich is introducing Articles of Impeachment on the floor of the House.”
Pleased to be hoping you let us know how that works out.
Kucinich will be introducing the UFO Act later on.
Testy Testy. Let’s watch our blood pressure.
WS when you can’t argue logic just argue semantics. Thank you for that spelling correction of course. We need a school marm on some days I am sure.
My point was made and you couldn’t refute. Thank you for the acquiessence.
Im still trying to find a PAV triangle in any psychology: Lets see.
1. Rescue Triangle (that one is pretty close, but it has a rescuer, abuser and victim)
2. Love Triangle
3. Abuse Triangle.
I haven’t found any PAV triangles anywhere. It must have come out of someone’s a$$.
“My point was made and you couldn’t refute.”
Did you make a point, Okie-Dope? I must of missed it in all your insults and babble.
So, the $9.5 trillion National Debt is all the Democrats fault?
So when, in the last thirty years, did a Republican president propose a balanced budget?
Or are you saying that the Democrats are SOOOOOO powerful that the president didn’t dare be fiscally responsible?
“Games People Play” (A.K.A. the Psychology of Human Relationships) was written By Eric Berne M.D. in 1964. He introduced transactional analysis. Please try to get your facts right Regular.
If I want to read Thomas Harris, I will check out “the silence of the lambs”
or do you mean “I’m Ok, You’re Ok” by Thomas Harris in 1967? Doesn’t sound like you think Clark is ok.
LLTVET
Posted June 10, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
“Games People Play” (A.K.A. the Psychology of Human Relationships) was written By Eric Berne M.D. in 1964. He introduced transactional analysis. Please try to get your facts right Regular.
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well, esqueeze me…
At least I was right on target with Clark. That cannot be denied.
I just denied it. I have read the book I’m OK, Your OK by Thomas Harris. So I won’t presume to have a license to practice psychobabble. On you or anyone else. I will comment on your logic and your facts, but I won’t speculate as to the mental health of anyone.
SamKan – if you are still around. I passed you request along who might be able to ‘guilt-trip’ someone in the Parish. She in involved in other parts of the homelessness issue.
It was nice this morning out there but got hot and windy this afternoon. Gets hot with those shingles!
:)
Well, I see this blog has gone to hell earlier tonight than usual.
Are there any adults still posting here?
Let me know. I will post, if any are left.
“It was nice this morning out there but got hot and windy this afternoon. Gets hot with those shingles!”
The worst is sunny, hot, black felt paper, and no wind.
You know of course, anyone using vulgar language on a public blog is doing so in their own home. If they are posting the “F” word here, they are using the same in front of their family, children, grandchildren and others.
People of such low self esteem and low life environment cannot change out of their skin.
They surely are not worthy of posting a reply to.
If all of you will stop replying to those using such language, they will surely give up and go away.
Blog log and mannerisms.
my son-in-law and several of his friends would like to meet you……….
Is truly a threat, a sign of childhood, and something else we called gangs who assault a single person.
Bullies who cannot stand on their own two feet.
BlueJay sings….
“Can you feel the love tonight…
Gosh all this discord! This looks like a job for Obamaman! HE could make Nathan and WS play nice! He could probably even restore “Regular”s sanity! Quick, someone to the roof! Flash the Obama signal!
This should make some of you very happy
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Forbidding the Poor from Choosing Good Schools
Congressional Democrats, in a foretaste of their likely education agenda for 2009, have signaled to poor families in the District of Columbia that their school choice vouchers aren’t going to be renewed this fall. The news comes as a bitter blow to nearly 2,000 such families in the District, where Congress instituted a pilot school voucher program using federal funds in 2004. District of Columbia Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D), who supports axing the program, says she met with families receiving the choice funds and “they look completely befuddled.” It’s no wonder why. The average yearly income for the families that participate in the program is just $22,736. Children enrolled in the program can use their vouchers, or scholarships, to attend a private school, a religious school, or one of the city’s charter schools, as an alternative to the public system.
One affected mother, Patricia Williams, credited the program with changing her son Fransoir’s life. At the District’s Sacred Heart Catholic School, she said, Fransoir has “been developed in so many ways, intellectually, emotionally and in his values. I couldn’t ask for anything better.” Soon, thanks to Congressional Democrats and their singular devotion to just one form of education, Mrs. Williams and others in the District will lose their choice to ask.
BlueJay,
Please learn that saying that a group had “ideas” is NOT saying that you “really like the ideas” of that group.
I have lots of time to vet that out for myself cosmos.
Hey I’m not yet convinced to vote for Obama.
And in Kansas, my vote matters absolutely nothing at all anyway.
But I DO have another reason to not vote for McCain!
(And no, I have not remotely considered that)
But my right click button is broken and I can’t cut n paste a link. :(
Help a blogger out? McCain today said he will veto beer!
That’s a deal breaker right there.
Thanks Ben… it does have to be a licensed person drawing up the blueprint. A blueprint for an awning.. what will Wichita dream up next to keep the homeless from having anything?
Clark has turned this blog into his own vulgar fest.
Maybe we should leave and let him cuss his heart out.
What a foul, self-proclaiming victim drunk.
I bet he teaches his grandchildren those words. He should be proud.
Check it out.
The resolution on articles or impeachment re: george bush is being read on Cspan right now.
Sigh….
If only Dennis Kucinich was 6 foot 4 and better looking.
Kucinich is really stupid. If he wants one measure that will re-unite all conservatives and moderates, it will be to start articles of impeachment.
Someone should kick Kucinich in the teeth and tell him to get a brain. He will totally screw up the election for the Democrats.
Heh
The cons don’t have anything LEFT to unite. It sure as hell aint gonna be george bush puts those pieces back together again.
It won’t go anywhere of course.There are not the votes in the Senate. But I am glad it will be part of the permanent Congressional record.
Unmasking the Myths Behind the Fairness Doctrine
http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/specialreports/2008/Fairness_Doctrine/FairnessDoctrine_ExecSum.htm
American Suicide………..Very sobering
Snopes….”TRUE”
“We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America ’s finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, “Mexifornia,” explaining how immigration – both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America
The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States . He said, “If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that ‘An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.’”
“Here is how they do it,” Lamm said:
“First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: ‘The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.’ Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence . Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.”
Lamm went on:
“Second, to destroy America , invent ‘multiculturalism’ and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
“Third, we could make the United States an ‘Hispanic Quebec ‘ without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: ‘The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.’ Lamm said, “I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.”
“Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.”
“My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of ‘Victimology.’ I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority placation.”
“My sixth plan for America ’s downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precident. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. “E. Pluribus Unum” — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the ‘pluribus’ instead of the ‘Unum,’ we will “Balkanize” America as surely as Kosovo.’
“Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of ‘diversity.’ I would find a word similar to ‘heretic’ in the 16th century – that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culture, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of ‘Victimology,’ I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.”
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, “Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis’s book ‘Mexifornia.’ His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don’t read that book.”
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate ‘diversity.’ American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell’s book “1984.” In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: “War is peace,” “Freedom is slavery, ” and “Ignorance is strength.”
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don’t get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.”
“…what kind of two-faced SOB apologizes for making those statements that you did, then rescinds those same apologies?”
WS — he is McCain’s flip flop boy —
He actually laughed at kiddie porn a few months ago —-
It’s been a while since he’s melted down and thrown one of his tantrums —– maybe if he wrote another “anonymous” letter to his sister he could get all mad at himself again — what a loser what a joke
No honor — no credibility —– but he sure can wrassle them big okie boys. he likes that roman greco start where he grabs between a guys legs and …….
“Boxlock” –
You might go to http://www.snopes.com and read Lamm’s “revised” version of that speech.
Pretty much the sames, actually, but some significant differences born by second-thoughts and retrospective contemplation.
Boxlock: I acccept Mr.Lamm as zenophobic. Period. Tearing apart his thesis is easy enough done but I would not want to give credence to any concept so void of history.
Where is Osama Bin Laden? Probably in a cushy cave laughing his tired diabetoc ass off on how GWB and this administration is playing right into his plan —- early on he stated he could not beat us with force and violence but he will be able to beat us through our economy and greed —- 6$ gas is not too far off ….. he faked GWB into a costly war in Iraq that has been a huge drain on our economy, forcing us to spend money for no benefit to us — allowing our infrastructure to continue to deteriorate —
…… GO GET OSAMA — remember when Howdy Doody said (paraphrasing) “… and those that harbor terrorists are as culpable … he’s so freaking tough why hasn’t he repeated that sentiment to the leaders of Afghan,,, and Pakistan tell em hand OBL over or we will come in and find him —- and stop paying them for nothing —-
“What are the rules?”
I don’t know; but I wish the Eagle would have a special thread just for mus-slinging so ‘open’ can have other discussions.
(BUSH)… Acknowledging that his refusal to ratify the Kyoto Protocol once created consternation in Europe, he said that there was now a recognition that that richer countries needed to “transfer out of the hydrocarbon economy”
LOL.. even Bush is against Bush!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4107327.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164
I’m posting this for all the Religious right wingers. Seriously I hope Brownlee will post an entire thread on it considering how much we talk about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg8lCLumByw
Should be xenophobic….and while I’m at it how can I make the font size bigger…..anybody?
If you hold your “Control” key down while rolling the scroll wheel on your mouse the type gets larger one way, smaller the other.
Thanks for the link, PMom. I hope everyone listens with an open mind and heart. It said a lot.
Thank MonkeyHawk,
I will do that.
AMEN PMama!!
I agree, can we just have a daily Pissing Moaning Whining Bitching thread?
Ya know, we’re all gonna have different ideas of what constitutes “Pissing Moaning Whining Bitching.” ;-)
Boxlock,
I think the definition of “fairness” can be stretched now in this era of multiopoly.
As long as “equal time” is made available somewhere in the same market, to me, that’s “equal” enough.
When one company owns 14 radio stations in the same market (which happened at one time here), if opposing views are heard on any one of them, that’s good enough for me.
Heck, I’ll even admit I almost hit a power pole after I fell asleep listening to Mario Cuomo’s radio show one Saturday afternoon after work :)
Regular posted:
“The perfect Persecutor, Accusor, Victim game player.”
And followed it with a comment that this is like 99.9% of Progressive Libs…
I got to thinking about that >>>>
Nathan is fond of saying: You libs/dems attack my dad and mine religious beliefs even when it isnt part of the subject(it happens at times) —That would be the Victim part…
Nathan is also fond of saying frequently:
“Chas is no Christian.”
That would be the accusor.
Nathan is also fond of saying frequently:
“Why wont Chas the alleged minister answer simple questions any Christian would answer?”
That would be the persecutor.
Naathan — The Persecutor/Accusor/Victim game player…
By Regular’s definition either Nathan is a progressive dem/lib, OR is one of the .1%
There you have Regular’s own PAV definition…
I have nothing to add to it… :roll:
A dear man, a friend of mine and others, Tracy, once said about a bunch of us “libs/dems” that we couldn’t agree on where to have lunch if HE was buying! We are diverse. And we love it! ;-)
I wish Paul Pearce hadn’t fouled out…
Wait! He didn’t! Do they get more than FIVE fouls in pro ball??
Hang on Celtics!! Please??
Six fouls in NBA Linda
Don’t worry about it political mama.
WS is OUR sides version of “Regular”.
Hell for all we know, WS may be just another of the puppet nics.
To be wished dead by a man with no life?
I pity him.
Thanks, Chas. But I gotta admit “google” was faster than you at answering. I kinda figured someone other than me would have noticed Paul was on the floor after fouling out OR the rules were different from college ball.
could this be it? cheap renewable energy made in merika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST7oCLUCw4
Yep Google is pretty fast — and for some reason, the Blog has been like molasses on postings today :-)
mrcontroversy, even I get it ‘up to here’ with talk radio sometimes. I even switch to NPR or try and find a liberal talk show for diversion. I’m not usually successful in finding anything, but if so my life becomes endangered as I can’t stay awake to drive.
Those companies make their revenues from advertisers, and advertisers buy time on ‘popular’ programs. For the government to dictate how much time must me given to ‘opposing’ views could put them off the air. Besides as simply mindless and boring as the liberal talk shows have been to mandate their equal time would hurt the liberal agenda even more.
Nathaniel,
So is that a “yes” to:
“Is the world supposed to treat your non-peer-reviewed AGW skeptics like Gods, and not question anything that they claim?”
“But my right click button is broken and I can’t cut n paste a link.”
You should be able to copy by left-clicking the link (or dragging), and then click ‘Edit’ in browser window, and ‘Copy’.
Paste by clicking mouse inside blog comment box, click ‘Edit’ in browser window, and ‘Paste’.
My biggest complaint, MrC, is when the Right Wing Talk Radio folks put Candidates on their shows, that go nation wide, and give those Candidates FREE air time…. But they never give the opposition FREE air time, by having them on their shows…
To me, it seems like the Candidates who get such nationwide FREE air time for basically campaign advertising, ought to be forced to report such FREE air time as a campaign contribution, at the “going rate” of campaign advertising… That might hold them down, due to the cap on donations… I would feel better if that was done…
Not exactly the fairness doctrine, but at least SOME control… especially during political campaigns…
WS is not representative of Obama supporters, the Democratic party, progressives, or anyone relatively considered credible or sane.
“WS is not representative of Obama supporters.”
And “Blue Jay” is just a sore loser.
Get over it, your candidate lost.
Damn.
BlueJay posted June 10, 2008 at 11:19 pm
“I’d be happy to see an end to “Regular” and “WS Clark”.
I don’t have any convincing evidence they are not the same sick person.”
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I guess that Bluejay would also “be happy to see an end to” me.
BlueJay posted,
“Are you another nic of WS there “cosmos”? “
“So, do you want to try to be reasonable and reach an understanding here”
So, what understanding do you want to REACH here?
And are you speaking for McCluer or just yourself?
Oh, please note McCluer’s post just prior to yours.
That’s your buddy?
Damn.
All bow, to the Almighty God, Claude Allegre.
Do not question the Almighty God Allegre’s very obvious errors, confusion, ignorance, and/or lies about AGW.
Do not question the Almighty God Allegre’s complete lack of doing ANY credible, peer-reviewed climate science.
Any questioning of the Almighty God Allegre is guaranteed to cause your eternal d@ mnation.
Good lord you are all a bunch of children.
BlueJay
This may be of interest to you:
http://www.justsaynodeal.com
http://www.john-daly.com/wojick.htm
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!! Especially on this Blog!!
So mote it be!!
Learn more about what the Almighty AGW septic Gods believe at:
* The National Post, a right-wing Canadian newspaper.
* Oklahoma’s Senator Inhofe’s website, written by an ex-employee of Rush Limbaugh.
* The book and right-wing websites of the agricultural economist Dennis Avery, who believes that organic food is more dangerous than food grown with chemical pesticides.
* And various think(sic) tanks that get funding from right-wing, and fossil-fuel groups.
And remember… do NOT question the Almighty AGW septic Gods, because it will result in your eternal d@mnation.
Let’s settle that “WS”
All you have to do is meet me. You can tell me you wish I was dead in person.
By our email exchange, I know you are leery of groups. Would you care to have lunch with Steven, linda and I? I can set that up.
Of course, if you decline, that WOULD form a basis of opinion here.
You have one of my emails. You may feel free to contact me.
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ posted,
“NASA loves Dr. Allegre btw as he has done several projects for them.”
But NOT ANY projects in CLIMATE science.
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Claude_Allegre.html
“However, if you analyze Allegre’s very brief editorial and subsequent comments a little more closely you will realize that he managed to:
1. Screw up the name of a scientific journal*
2. Claimed the glacier melt over the last few decades was due to the movement of multi-million year old mountains. An argument that Georg Hoffman calls an “obvious error” due to dramatically different time scales.
3. Misrepresent the state of the science to such an extent that the French scientific community wrote an open letter in protest
4. Misrepresent scientific literature to the point that even the authors of the very papers Allegre cited were crying foul.
5. Claim climate models predict warming on the South Pole when in fact they do not.
6. Leave clues about a possible political motive “
Actually cosmos, Dr. Allegre is the first scientist of International reknown to state that co2 emissions may be responsible for Global Warming in the 20th century by half a degree. This was before anyone else had come forth with their claim.
Later on, he modify it to clarify, although there might be some warming, it was insignificant compared to natural variations in climate.
Also, Dr. Allegre has done precision work on atmospheric gases and is considered ‘the’ expert on them as he did the foundation study that is still today’s standard.
So cosmos, are you saying you are more qualified that Dr. Allegre in talking about climate? I would say that Dr. Allegre has forgotten more than you ever knew cosmos.
Of course, we all know that cosmos likes to discredit internationally known and recognized scientists like Dr. Allegre.
Where is cosmos PhD and his international recognition? How many awards have you won in atmospheric science cosmos? Care to match your awards with Dr. Allegre’s?
How about science cosmos? You want to sit in the same room and discuss science with Dr. Allegre? Think you could teach him something? :)
The multi-nic’d ‘Regular‘ posted June 11, 2008 at 12:30 am
“How many awards have you won in atmospheric science cosmos?”
The relevant question is HOW many peer-reviewed climate papers has your Almighty AGW septic God Allegre published?
ZERO.
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Claude_Allegre.html
“However, Claude Allegre has never published a single peer review paper directly related to climate change or global warming. Basically, the only material he has printed with regard to climate change is a four paragraph opinion piece on climate change in the French newspaper.”
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‘Regular’, go troll your moldy, old Industrial Hygiene engineering degree, and your lies somewhere else. You are very boring.
I’m sorry Cosmos, your opinion on this subject is not credible unless you can tell us how many peer reviewed papers you have published on the subject.
Nathaniel, and multi-nic’d Regular,
So why does your Almighty AGW septic God, Claude Allegre, publish(sic) his prestigious(sic) AGW scientific(sic) papers at the Canadian National Post?
And at Rush Limbaugh’s ex-employee’s website?
All bow… to the Almighty AGW septic God, Claude Allegre.
Do not question the Almighty AGW septic God Allegre’s very obvious errors, confusion, ignorance, and/or lies about AGW.
Do not question the Almighty AGW septic God Allegre’s complete lack of doing ANY credible, peer-reviewed climate science.
Any questioning of the Almighty AGW septic God Allegre will cause your eternal d@mnation.
Lots and lots of scrollovers tonight. Hardly worth the effort to stay awake.
However, P_Mom, good link re: Obama on Religion. I think it said a lot.
cosmos is just mad because Dr. Allegre is a Frenchman and a hard core socialist who happens to be a scientist that disagrees with cosmos views.
Imagine that, a socialist scientist who can think with his own mind and not be led around by the nose by the GORACLE.
Regular,
Did you see anything worth reading?
Unless Cosmos shows us his peer reviewed material on AGW nothing he says matters.
I have yet to see any peer reviewed paper written by the non-scientist cosmos.
Must be that cosmos considers himself to be a non credible source. :)
Exactly Regular. Exactly.
Anything Cosmos says or posts is not credible until he can demonstrate his credentials.
If you guys had any idea how foolish you seem, fighting the same fight late night after late night. What a pack of morons. Too bad you obviously don’t have personal lives. WSClark, Nathaniel, BlueJay, and Regular are a pack of foolish children. If the editors banned them, nobody would miss them.
Poor losers, nothing to do at night but act like idiots. Pound away at your keyboards as if anything you have to say carries any weight.
You guys need to get out more and quit acting so gay.
Thanks Linda….I can see!
“You guys need to get out more and quit acting so gay.”
Nano, could you BE more offensive? Are you 12 and dont know any better, or are you just an ordinary, garden variety bigot?
My guess is the latter.
Don’t worry Butch, I’m not going to suggest that you quit acting so gay.
It’s not the nasty gross disease-ridden lifestyle, it’s that you have to rub everybody’s nose in it. Do what you want in your bedroom, I just don’t want to hear about it.
Let me translate for Nano
“Please don’t tease me if I can’t watch”
BlueJay
Posted June 11, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
Let me translate for Nano
“Please don’t tease me if I can’t watch”
And that from the no-life limp-wrist that spends all night making an arguement that he can’t win. Got a wife or girlfriend, whistle-dick? I didn’t think so.