So how did Barack Obama pull off his huge upset of Hillary Clinton? Besides his personality, oratory skills and message, Obama won because his campaign planned for the long haul, and Clinton did not, Associated Press reported. The Clinton campaign expected to seal the nomination by winning the big states on Super Tuesday. But Obama’s campaign analyzed primary rules and determined that he could get more delegates by winning big in smaller states and staying close in key larger ones. “In a stark example,†AP reported, “Obama’s victory in Kansas wiped out the gains made by Clinton for winning New Jersey, even though New Jersey had three times as many delegates at stake.â€
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Congrats Democrats on an excellent choice for nominating Obama as presidential candidate. This is an historic moment for this nation. I know this was a hard choice for the Democratic party considering the high caliber of candidates to chose from. Both candidates distinguished themselves and their party has reason to be proud of them.
CH CH CHANGE is the victory yell,
CH CH CHANGE is the cast he spelled.
Middle America patiently awaits,
for all the details he’s to make.
Most of US are certainly not yet
convinced of making this big big bet!
Will ever the media ask the questions necessary
for The People to stand and with CHANGE to marry?
“Obama’s campaign analyzed primary rules…”
When I was in college, I worked in the Kansas Senate as an aide. The Senate parliamentarian was Sen. Norman Gaar of Johnson County. As anyone who has seen the sausage-grinder of lawmaking close-up knows, there are all sorts of arcane procedural moves (”I move we declare an emergency, suspend the rules, and send the bill back to committee….,” “I move we declare and emergency, rescind the second-reading, waive a roll-call, and vote on our pay raise by voice vote….” (There are a lot of “emergencies” in the legislative process, like having your name recorded when you vote yourself a pay raise.)
Perhaps the single most powerful person in the Kansas Senate was the parliamentarian. He’s the guy who’d actually read the rules and knows how to wield them. Gaar could singlehanded tie up a piece of legislation with an innocuous-sounding motion based on a subparagraph of a subsection of some obscure provision of “The Rules” that was probably written in 1887 during a drunken late-night session of the Kansas Senate debating the “Anti-Grasshopper Act” or somesuch.
And, since Gaar had read and knew the rules, he could whip through favored bills before anyone else in the chamber realized it.
One of my best friends growing up was Larry who, whenever someone brought out a new board game, paid no attention to the kid who brought the game explained, “See, you throw the dice and move around the board and when you land on Boardwalk you buy it because anyone else who lands on it after that has to pay you rent and you can buy houses or hotels…” and while that kid was telling us you couldn’t build hotels on the B&O Railroad, Larry simply read the rules printed on the inside of the box. And proceeded to whip us all. The read the rules! Today, Larry is a highly successful attorney.
When I ever need legal advice, I look for someone like Larry. There might be more flashy orators, more impressive figures in the courtroom, attorneys with a skewed moral compass that might sleaze their ways to some kind of favorable outcome. But I want a lawyer who’s read the rules.
That’s one of the reasons I admire Barack Obama and his campaign strategists. Faced with overwhelming odds against him — Hillary was a shoe-in 15 months ago; she had the name, she had the money, she had the party structure, and her people wrote the rules — but Obama’s people actually read the rules and beat her at her own game.
That’s a pretty impressive political achievement. That’s the kind of advocate I want in the Oval Office.
monkey, that’s funny. you know when my autie plays board games, he insists on reading the rules and playing by them too. and if you THINK you know the rules, he will hand you the box and tell you to read them when you’re wrong. There is no deviation from the rules or else!
I just think we on the HIllary camp underestimated Obama. And while he might have won the nomination, that’s a far cry from winning the Presidency.
I hope that he keeps the draw that he brought into the party, the young voters.
And I know what you mean about how messed up it is at the statehouse. The outlandish crap they pull up there is worse than high school.
LOL!
The democrats are eating each other alive and Obama can read the rules!
There was an ‘any-body-but-Hillary’ vote and obama got it!
One of the reasons that Lurch lost was because he was the most liberal nitwit to ever run for president.
He couldn’t beat the ‘worst-president-ever’ and the dems, refusing to admit the truth, tried to blame a bunch of over the hill swift boat veterans.
Now, because the dems refused to admit the real reason for the 2004 loss they are about to repeat it!
Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Good luck.
Let’s hope this is the beginning of the healing of our country and reconcilliation with our allies and enemies alike. I think Obama’s our best chance put our country back on the right path. God knows it’s a huge undertaking with all the overwhelming problems we face in our country today.
That tired line worked last time, I don’t think that the Americans are going to fall for it again Hank, considering what ‘compassionate conservatism’ got them.
Another thing that is important that happened in this race….the party powers that be took out against Hillary as well as the media. I don’t know why or how that happened, but I would be darn interested to know who really was behind that.
Well it isn’t going to happen if Obama doesn’t choose Hillary for his running mate, I can tell you that.
……………why would old man price post on a clearly Democratic Party thread?
…………could it be that he sees that it is inevitable that McSame is going down in a November fiasco for the republic party?
“Political_mama” — I can’t find it now (drat) but I read a funny send-up that purported the coach of the Detroit Pistons arguing that, despite the fact the Boston Celtics won the NBA semi-finals by 4 games to 2, the Pistons were the real team that deserved the championship round because Detroit scored more points overall.
(Turns out, although the Pistons’ two wins were more lopsided than the combination of the Celtics’ four wins, the Bostons actually scored more points overall. “But that’s just nitpicking.”)
“To get Iraq’s WMDs!”
“Saddam Hussein is a bad man!”
“To spread democracy in the Middle East!”
“To quash the ‘insurgency.’”
“To honor those who’ve died.”
I think most Americans are tired of politicians trying to move the goalposts in mid-game.
You have to really credit David Axlerod with that. I knew David when I worked for the election of Mayor Harold Washington in Chicago and he had that one figured out too. He is really brilliant and does his homework.
Good morning Mary!
There should be some behind the scenes negotiations between Obama and Hillary in the next few days. Should be interesting. He claimed victory last night but she hasn’t conceded.
The ’super delegates’ aren’t his until they vote for him at the convention. The ‘beginning of the healing’ might be delayed for a few weeks.
“”"Well it isn’t going to happen if Obama doesn’t choose Hillary for his running mate, I can tell you that.”"”
What if he chose another white woman like Gov Sebilus? Don’t you think that would win him back some of Hillary’s fans?
Scares me how ignorant many Americans STILL are about the war.
Yesterday I was talking to an older man who obviously listens to conservative talk radio…all he could do was repeat the repuke talking points “We haven’t been attacked since 9-11 with Bush in office” “Sadamn was a bad man” “The democratic congress hasn’t solved the problems like they promised” “Democrats want to raise taxes” “Obama is a smart alek (not sure where THAT came from)”.
When I reminded him that we spend (borrow) 1 billion dollars every three days for the war, that Iraq wasn’t behind 9/11, and that the real terrorist threat is still on the loose, he acted totally shocked, like he was hearing it for the first time. And he’s a retired teacher!
What scares me is that so many people who buy into the Rush and company propaganda like he does, vote.
I may be proven wrong, but I have a difficult time believing Senator Clinton really wants the Vice-residency.
(The Big) Dick Cheney notwithstanding (consider who he was working with), the office is not historically a center of power. Especially with Senator Kennedy’s health problem, Hillary is infinitely qualified to become a major power in the United States Senate.
And even she has to admit that Bill turned into a loose cannon during his primary campaign appearances on her behalf. She’s her own person — and a damned good one — in the Senate. In the executive branch, Bill’s presence complicates things.
In no particular order, I’d like Obama to consider Wes Clark, Mark Warner, Bill Richardson, and Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano as his running mate.
I’d prefer Clark as Secretary of Defense and Richardson as Secretary of State. Warner has strong military credentials, but Napolitano brings executive expertise and would make McSame have to commit resources to his own state if she were on the ticket.
Yeah, Obama read the rules on how to get softball questions, never vote on anything controversial, dodge the experience question like the plague (since he can’t make up crap anymore) and generally change his personality like a chameleon into what he thinks the American public wants to hear.
They don’t call that intelligence, they call that a side show carnival hustler who will take your money until its time to get your prize, then he’ll turn his back on you, just like he has ditched many in his past so he can maintain his political office.
I find Hank’s post above highly entertaining and extremely telling of how the Republican party as a whole is going to carry on until the general election is over in November.
The democrats are eating each other alive and Obama can read the rules!
You wish, Hank. In the 16 comments posted, the only “eating alive” that was going on was by non-Democrats on this board. It’s very possible that their party (Republicans) may be self-destructing. What has worked before may not work again. IOW, your fear is showing.
Perhaps it will get some more traction later, but at the beginning it seem that for the run to the Illinois Senate. Obama show his “Political savvy” and understanding of how to use the rules. Unseating a setting candidate by calling for the checking of the signatures. Cutting his teeth on hardball Chicago political politics. Not much of this has been brought up I guess its because it is contrary to his message.
Reposting from the Bush apologist, David Brooks:
“More fundamentally, McCain’s problem is that his party is unfit to govern. As research from the Republican pollster David Winston has shown, any policy becomes less popular when people learn that Republicans are supporting it. If the G.O.P. sponsored the sunrise, voters would prefer gloom. Many Republicans are under the illusion that they are in trouble because they’ve betrayed their core principles. The sad truth is that if they’d been more conservative, they’d be even further behind.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
The Republicans will be in the outter darkness for a long, long time. But it won’t be long enough to suit me.
Yes Steven. It does appear that America has lost her way and may wonder for a while is the desert of liberalism.
But can Obama beat McCain? I used to think so. Now I doubt it.
I am not a Hillary fan. But, even I will concede that she has terrific potential in the Senate. I honestly believe that she should stay there where she can do some actual good and not even consider the Vice Presidency.
With regard to Obama;
“There is nothing more real than a man’s character and values. The track record of what he has actually done is far more real than anything he says, however elegantly he says it.” —Thomas Sowell
Beware of silver tongued devils.
But how much liberalism will America tolerate at this point? I mean, the Democrats did it again! Ignoring history, they nominated the most liberal member of the Senate as their candidate for president.
They could have nominated someone more moderate, and easily won the election. But no. They had to let the far left dictate their choice and now they have a real battle on their hands. At some point soon, Obama is going to have to start talking meat and potatoes instead of platitudes and slogans. That’s when the battle of ideas will begin.
Re-analogueing the Obama campaign from that movie line of a “Time to Kill,” where Jake Brigance, the novice attorney for Carl Lee Hailey (Samuel L. Jackson), is giving his final summation before the jury;
And when they’re done, after they’ve killed his tiny experience, murdered any chance for him to have a career, to have a political life beyond his own, they decide to use him for target practice. They start throwing full Jeremiah Wright sermons at him. They throw them so hard that it tears the memory from his skull about any Reverend Wright’s sermons. Then they urinate on his Muslim background. Now comes the political hanging. They have a political rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose of accusations going tight around his neck and with a sudden blinding jerk he’s pulled into the air and his feet and political correctness legs go kicking. They don’t find the ground. The hanging branch isn’t strong enough. It snaps and he falls back to the earth politics reality. So they pick him up, throw him in the back of the Democratic truck and drive out to Trinity Church. They pitch Obama Gay Support over the edge and the abandoned drop some thirty feet down under the anti-gay pulpit below. Can you see him? His politically raped, beaten, broken body soaked in the bomb urine of Weathermen Underground, soaked in their accusations of shakey real estate deals, soaked in his blood of forsaken UCC Ministers, left to die politically. Can you see him? I want you to picture him . Now imagine he’s white.
That’s right, imagine if Obama was white, would the cheers be as loud or the support be as strong.
We all the know the answer to that don’t we?
Political pandering in the old South Democratic Party tradition.
Beware of silver tongued devils.
We certainly did that with Bush, didn’t we? And just how has that worked out for the country?
I mean, the Democrats did it again! Ignoring history, they nominated the most liberal member of the Senate as their candidate for president.
I just love a good joke in the morning! Thanks for the laugh, outie!
Um, Regular? Obama IS half white.
Now, let the real campaign begin. Obama is still my choice for President. Obama has a lot of shortfalling: He has little experience, his policies are way to the left of anything I can support, he has relationship problems with his choice of pals. His voting record in the Senate has lots of holes in it. But, MCain is old, he is all over the place on issues, he helped bring McCain-Fiengold into existence, his illegal immigration policy isn;t, and he has relaitonship issues of his own. I can deal much better with a man who has opposite ideas, and is up front about it, than one who you have no idea what side he will take due to polical expediencey. So, for the first time in a long while, I will vote for a Democrat for President. My greatest regret? About of 300 million Americans, these are the best we can do?
I agree MonkeyHawk, Hillary wants to be PRESIDENT!
I don’t think Obama will offer the position as #2 on the ticket anyway.
Imagine. . .Democratic convention. . .Denver. . .
The confetti is falling, the bands are playing, the balloons are avalanching down. . .
Obama standing victorious with his wife and two daughters, hands raised in the air . . .
And beside them in their moment of elation, The Hildebeast – - Her husband the – life support system for the biggest id in political history – and Chelsea.
Which red, bulbous nose do you think the network cameras will be focused on?
LOL
But, but, but
There are still Superdelegates!
Even after the water is thrown on Hillary, she still dies hard!
I’m MELTING! I’M MELTING!
Meanwhile, the press has annoited Obama to establish his Kingdom on Earth.
God Da*m America!
http://www.ocala.com/article/20080604/NEWS/806040326/1025/NEWS&title=Clinton_says_she_s_open_to_joining_ticket_as_vice_president
NEW YORK – Hillary Rodham Clinton says she will consult with party leaders and supporters to determine her next steps now that Barack Obama has enough delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination.
In a speech in New York, Clinton told supporters that: “This has been a long campaign and I will be making no decisions tonight.” As she spoke, supporters chanted “Denver, Denver,” thinking ahead to the site of the party’s convention in August.
Earlier in the day, Clinton told congressional colleagues she would be open to joining Obama’s ticket as his vice presidential nominee. But in her speech, the former first lady stopped short of ending or suspending her campaign. She did say she was committed to a united Democratic Party moving forward.
If that isn’t an EVIL picture of Obama….
Predestined
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink
Um, Regular? Obama IS half white.
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Um, Predestined? Is Obama running as a white man?
Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.
The Repub. party will be thoroughly repudiated come Nov.
No Regular, Obama is now White. He’s disavowed himself of having any black blood, just like he dropped his faith of 20 years.
Anything, to get elected.
He may even divorce his wife and declare himself gay if necessary.
He has no Balls and no Character of Conviction. He has no Convictions, other then what fills the bill according to the latest polls.
“I just love a good joke in the morning! Thanks for the laugh, outie!”
You’re welcome, Easter Bunny.
I personaly would like to see the Obamas and the Clintons on the same stage.
We could then figure out which butt is bigger, Hillary’s or Michelle’s.
I would guess that it’s Michelle’s, but she has the height to carry it off.
Both of them are kind of pear shaped. I guess the deciding factor would be which butt Bill stares at the most. . .he does have a thing for big butted women!
outlander
Posted June 4, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink
Yes Steven. It does appear that America has lost her way and may wonder for a while is the desert of liberalism.
But can Obama beat McCain? I used to think so. Now I doubt it.
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Mike,
This is the pollster that Brooks was quoting:
http://www.winstongroup.net/about.htm
He appears to have thorough Republican credentials. If has data showing how much trouble you guys are in, I would tend to believe it.
But, you guys should take heart. No one on the democratic side can make as many terribly funny butt comments as the likes of Hank Price. Priceless.
What are the Israel haters going do? What ya going to do Ben?
Obama is on TV stating that those who attack Israel attack the United States. 30 billion dollars for Israeli defense. Obama stated that Hamas is a terrorist organization and cannot be seated at a negotiating table.
Watcha gonna do Ben? :D
Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.
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Got a link? I am seriously doubting this. The last iteration of the census people were allowed to self-define their race and multiple races if they wanted.
“…just like he dropped his faith of 20 years.”
Yea, right… after all of the insane badgering about his church membership, now the Reich Wingers say he dropped his faith!! How pathetic and assinine!! Damned hypocrites!!
Looks like Hank is totally infatuated with butts!! What a way to start a day!!
BTW, Obama did NOT drop his faith of 20 years… He resigned his church membership… HUGE difference!!
Good morning Chas!
I don’t think the Obamaman has dropped his faith. He sat for twenty years at the feet of a man that preached black liberation theology.
If he ever did believe in it, he still does. I don’t think he ever did. He was just getting his ‘black street creds’ ticket punched.
If any thing, his church has thrown him under the bus!
Resigning membership means that he takes his Letter of Transfer WITH him, rather than having it sent to another congregation… Resigning Church membership should not be confused with disavowing one’s faith…
How stupid can some people be??
Hank I am not the one who said Obama “dropped his faith” Please read carefully??
Not infatuated Chas, just curious. Which butt do you think is bigger? Michelle’s or Hillary’s?
The guy’s moving to Washington in 5 months anyway. . . he would have had to attend long-distance services! :)
Dear Chas, I never said you did, please read carefully!
The last iteration of the census people were allowed to self-define their race and multiple races if they wanted.
Consistent with my family history as a homo sapiens, I put down “african-european American.”
He won where Democrats cannot win in the fall.
In other words, he has planned a magnificent failure.
Allow me to rain on the parade before it marches over the cliff. This is NOT over.
Senator Clinton will be the nominee or she will be holding Barry’s hand.
The or else? President John McCain.
StevenEDavis
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.
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Got a link? I am seriously doubting this. The last iteration of the census people were allowed to self-define their race and multiple races if they wanted.
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If that’s true, my third great grandmother was a native American.
I’m claiming native American on the next census.
:roll:
Could be Hank… it looked as if you were responding to the piece that I had in “quotes”
I dont understand what some folks see wrong with liberation theology… BTW, it isnt Black, or White, or Latin, it is just Liberation Theology…
Remember Bishop Romero who was slaughtered for his beliefs not so long ago?? He was one of the pioneers of Liberation Theology…
How long before Rush morph’s Operation Chaos into crossing over and voting for Obama? About the only way the guy can claim any control over the outcome.
Hillary = senate majority leader. Best place for her in the Dem. camp.
A similar concept that also rose up out of situations in Latin Americam, was known as “Pedagogy of the Oppressed” Liberation Theology was linked to the Church — the other linked to systems of education…
If Hank wants to dis Hillary and Michelle for their “pear shapes”, that’s okay. After all, Hank isn’t exactly male cover model material himself.
If Regular and Max want to continue their racists remarks, it’s okay. It’s always best to know where someone stands…in the mud.
Now, if you non-Democrats would like to tell us why McCain should be elected to the highest office in the land, using his credentials, not someone’s butt size, I’m fully willing to listen. Otherwise, you only make yourself appear the fool. But, hey, if the clown-face fits…
“What if he chose another white woman like Gov Sebilus? Don’t you think that would win him back some of Hillary’s fans?”
Uh…. NO!
There is this pervasive myth that the women supporting Hillary are supporting her JUST because she is a woman.
We also know when we’re being thrown a bone to keep us quiet.
In fact, there’s been lots of talk that if ANY woman other than Hillary is on the ticket, it will offend a lot of Hillary supporters as it just perpetuates the myth that Hillary was supported ONLY because she’s a woman.
I hope Hillary does NOT take the VP slot. She’s too good for it, and there is no need to settle for second place. She should just keep her powder dry for the time she is blamed for obama’s impending loss.
“But Obama’s campaign analyzed primary rules and determined that he could get more delegates by winning big in smaller states and staying close in key larger ones.”
Exactly.
He has organized to “win” for now and lose big later.
And even with this desperate calculation?
He couldn’t seal the deal.
This is not over til August. It’s too important.
Phantom — it would now appear that Limbaugh has been beaten soundly… LOL But, he will NEVER admit to that reality!! He will somehow spin it to where this is what he really wanted all along… What a ninny!! Can somebody spell S-T-U-P-I-D??? Maybe this will be the beginning of the end of El Rushbo!!
He won where Democrats cannot win in the fall.
In other words, he has planned a magnificent failure.
Jay, why do you keep repeating this stupid, demonstrably false claim? What purpose do you think it serves? Yes, it’s Obama won most of the caucuses, including red states like Alaska, Idaho, and Kansas. He won the Texas caucus, and barely lost the primary (an interesting comparative study).
But he also won 7 of these 8 caucuses (he lost Nevada):
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/clinton-shading-truth-on-popular-vote/#comment-362619
A better argument would be the one Clinton has been making, i.e., that she does better in red states (for what difference it makes now).
1000,000 jobs were lost yesterday GM announced. Obama offers economic change and you have to ask why he’s so popular?
Predestined
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
If Hank wants to dis Hillary and Michelle for their “pear shapes”, that’s okay. After all, Hank isn’t exactly male cover model material himself.
If Regular and Max want to continue their racists remarks, it’s okay. It’s always best to know where someone stands…in the mud.
Now, if you non-Democrats would like to tell us why McCain should be elected to the highest office in the land, using his credentials, not someone’s butt size, I’m fully willing to listen. Otherwise, you only make yourself appear the fool. But, hey, if the clown-face fits…
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Oh my predestined, using the ‘race card’ once again.
You see unlike the cowardly Democratics, I don’t dance around lightly on tippy toes when I discuss race. If I see a trend happening, I comment on.
I’m not a coward when it comes to race and don’t run to the back room like Democrats do when they want to talk about race.
I bring it to the front, discuss it openly and with my own evaluation.
Now, if you want to continue your timid stance on discussing race and be a “Walter Mitty” when it comes to discussing human relations, be my guest predestined.
But let’s not play fast and loose with the ‘race card’ and calling people racists just because you can.
My ancestors were abolitionists and conductors on the Underground Railroad. They walked the talk and I’m carrying on that tradition of boldness. I don’t fear discussing race like the timid finger-pointing mealy-mouths.
Now Rage.
You’ve not been an Obamaniac. Why the name calling?
Senator Clinton rightly pointed out that she has won on an electoral map that wins practically in the fall.
Nothing has changed over night. The media left and right and the mindless drones chanting change have tried to count Hillary Clinton out for months now.
It’s a long time til August. Who knows what will fall out of Obama’s closet by then? Just yesterday, more embarrassing connections came back to haunt him.
Yup. There is no doubt Steven, that the voters are disillusioned enough to take a flyer with the Democrats. But as the numbers below indicate, it won’t likely be long-lived. It is inevitable that the Democrats, who are also arguably human, will screw up and anger folks, and back the moderates will come to the conservative side.
28. Generally speaking, do you consider yourself (ROTATE) a Republican, a Democrat, an
Independent, or something else?
1. Republican 35
2. Democrat 37
3. Independent 25
4. Other 2
5. DK/Refused (DO NOT READ) 1
29. If you had to classify yourself, would you say you are (ROTATE) liberal, moderate, or
conservative in your political beliefs?
1. Liberal 20
2. Moderate 46
3. Conservative 32
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Ed_Friedemann
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink
1000,000 jobs were lost yesterday GM announced. Obama offers economic change and you have to ask why he’s so popular?
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Ummm… That would be 10,000 jobs Ed, in four plants in the US, Mexico and Canada.
Exaggerate much?
Ed
And why did GM lose 100,000 jobs? Environmental wackos pushing the Big Warming fraud and preventing domestic oil exploration. These things have helped to push oil prices to record highs. Folks can’t afford to drive the light trucks and SUV’s.
And whats Obama going to do to make it better? Nothing, he’ll make it worse by raising taxes and pushing for more enviro-wacko legislation that makes us even more depenedent on foreign energy.
Brilliant you are not today.
Dear Chas.,
From website of the Trinity United Church of Christ and the good Dr. Wright’s talking points:
“• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.”
Dr. Wright preached BLACK Liberation Theology.
Regular
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
StevenEDavis
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.
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Got a link? I am seriously doubting this. The last iteration of the census people were allowed to self-define their race and multiple races if they wanted.
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If that’s true, my third great grandmother was a native American.
I’m claiming native American on the next census.
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Not that James McCluer would ever lie about anything: From the census bureau, check out pages 2 and 3 of this pdf regarding how the race question was posed on the 2000 census.
http://www.census.gov/mso/www/c2000basics/00Basics.pdf
Well I know we have some Democracy Now fans here, so perhaps someone will actually READ this most excellent interview.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/4/former_democratic_rep_cynthia_mckinney_seeks
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are not shackled by the two party process. You can vote outside that paradigm. If you cant stomach obama or mcsame, VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE!
The best thing that could happen to America is to BREAK the stranglehold of the “two party” (big eye roll, it’s the same thing)system.
They give you a choice between lukewarm and more lukewarm.
If you like cold or hot, yer SOL.
REAL change would come from electing someone NOT beholdin’ to the party bosses.
And that aint obama, no matter HOW you spin that sugar.
You’ve not been an Obamaniac. Why the name calling?
Because you keep repeating things that are untrue, and are plainly untrue, even when there are much better (and more factually-grounded) arguments for your candidate available.
It bugs me.
Cynthia’s campaign website.
http://mckinney2008.com/PRESIDENT/
Those of you to the left of boxlick wont find much with which you disagree.
Of course, it’s just easier to bleat “hope and change” and go on “faith” that obama will actually change a damn thing.
Just keep grazin’…
Good Morning Farmgirl!
LOL!!!
Cynthia McKinney! You’re kidding!!
Doesn’t her most recent political resume consist of losing in two primary’s? In Georgia?
Yep, a real winner here folks!
I guess if you need someone assaulted with a cell phone Cynthia is your girl!
Well in Kansas?
None of our votes matters anyway. Barack’s math notwithstanding.
I’m not ready to go for Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader yet.
I’ve seen Hillary Clinton get off the canvas after too many 8 counts to believe that Obama has this thing yet. He’s getting tired. I don’t think he can go the distance.
Truth is, she has more experience than Obama!
Back in 2004, I wrote a letter to the Democratic National Committee asking them to replace their ineffectual chairperson Terry McCauliff (sp.).
This individual was a DINO and top-down DLC triangulator, AND he couldn’t win elections.
That same person is now Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager (after she fired her first ineffectual campaign manager).
The reason that Obama won is very simple. People want change, and the Clintons’ represent the past.
We know what Clinton rule is all about–top-down Washington insiders working for their best interests–and we know we can do better.
“I don’t think he can go the distance.”
He already went the distance to win the nomination. He will be well rested and ready for the General.
Dang.
obama has to win before he can implement any incremental change around the edges.
let’s see ya get him elected.
And Hank is critical of CYNTHIA??????
Say it isnt so. Heheheheh. It’s his worst nightmare.
And before I go…
Just last night, Obama called folks like Hank and Heckler “fellow Americans to be challenged, not enemies to be pulverized”
I kinda lean toward pulverization myself.
Sorry Barack. The press has done you no favors calling your party 3 months before the fact. Better grab Senator Clinton’s hand while you can.
While you still can.
Thinking people should read the McKinney links.
Bots need not bother.
StevenEDavis
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
StevenEDavis
Posted June 4, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.
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Got a link? I am seriously doubting this. The last iteration of the census people were allowed to self-define their race and multiple races if they wanted.
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If that’s true, my third great grandmother was a native American.
I’m claiming native American on the next census.
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Not that James McCluer would ever lie about anything: From the census bureau, check out pages 2 and 3 of this pdf regarding how the race question was posed on the 2000 census.
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You do try really hard to disparage other posters that don’t think like you, don’t you Steven Davis?
I know what the census states and it gives an option of marking multiple races now. However, mixed race is not really a race now is it? So in determining eligibility for such things such as scholarship and minority status, how is the mixed race category going to help anyone? The answer, it won’t.
If you want the know where the race determination comes from, just look at birth records. It’s historical and been aclimated to court usage and acceptance. The race of the father is used the majority of the time to determine race of the child.
But please do keep trying like predestined to try and make me appear to be a racist.
You two should get together and compare your pointing fingers.
Hank, that is Dr. Wright’s spin on what he and some others have called Black Liberation Theology… And when he says it goes back 400 years, he has his own ideas as to what that means…
Liberation Theology probably dates back 40 – 50 years at best… It originated as just plain Liberation Theology… Now, people throw around all kinds of handles on it… Women’s(or Feminist) Liberation Theology; Christian Liberation Theology; as well as others… The concept of Liberation Theology has — obviously — been picked up on by numerous groups (there is even a group who have developed Gay Liberation Theology) Please dont try to play semantics on this one… You will lose… and it tends to make it look like you are playing some kind of race card!! ;-)
Seems like the ol’ man bush was booted out of his congressional seat in Texas too.
Didnt stop him from being preznit!
And big surprise that the national dems dont like Cynthia. She is REAL change, not just a bleating slogan.
And big time, big money dems dont like that anymore than repukes.
Stop the one party madness. Think for yourselves and vote for a REAL change candidate.
HLP is comfortable playing the race card – he refers to Barack Obama as the “Mullato Messiah.”
Such a charming phrase.
Oh PLEASE Capn!
Obama’s handler is Tom “barely alive” freaking Daschle!
Denver! Denver! Denver!
Regular posted: “The race of the father is used the majority of the time to determine race of the child.”
Interestingly enough, so did Steven Davis… Hmmmm… What exactly were you attacking that Steven said??
Well ya know Hank, Cynthia is a REAL person. She’s not some molded model of what the perfect candidate should be. She has real thoughts and feelings, and she isnt afraid to speak the truth.
Obama?
hehehehhe. Not so much. He’s right out of central casting, scripts and all.
Hope and change indeed.
Let’s see ya get him elected!
It would be nice if we lived in a country where the third-party candidates were taken seriously. I remember when Nader ran the stated goal was to get a modest 5 percent of the vote–which would have happened, had everyone who liked his message voted for him.
Now people take third-party candidates seriously, but only as a threat. My view remains the same: watch the polls, and if you live in a safe state for either candidates, why not vote for a candidate with more progressive positions (or, if that’s you’re preference, more conservative/libertarian positions than the Big Two)?
As Nader has repeatedly pointed out, it is invariably the third-party minorities, the noncomformists, weirdos and whatnot who serve at the vanguard of what eventually becomes real change.
If I were Obama, I’d court not the so-called “woman vote,” but the Hispanic vote. Go with someone like Bill Richardson from New Mexico.
That would put Florida back in play. Hell, it’d even put Arizona in play.
As for Obama “not being able to win the big states,” that is ridiculous. He already has a lock on New York, Illinois, Massachusettes and California. Pennsylvania, Oregon, Colorado and Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota look good.
He’s within striking distance of everywhere else except for the racist Old South and us masochists of the Plains.
I’d much rather be Obama than John McSame right now . . .
Gotta go.
Sit at a table and WORK with Hank WS!
Barack SAYS we should.
Yes you can?
“As Nader has repeatedly pointed out, it is invariably the third-party minorities, the noncomformists, weirdos and whatnot who serve at the vanguard of what eventually becomes real change.”
Well, obama certainly is none of those things. He’s about as white bread conformist as they come.
So much for real change….
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Hank, that is Dr. Wright’s spin on what he and some others have called Black Liberation Theology…”
Exactly, Chas.!!
And Obama sat and listened to that crap for twenty years! I wasn’t talking about how you want to spin ‘liberation theolgy’, I was talking about the theology that Obama and Wright ‘believe’ in.
CapN — I would only add New Mexico, and a good bit of Texas, to what you said about the Hispanic vote… and a good bit of CA too!!
Chas
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Regular posted: “The race of the father is used the majority of the time to determine race of the child.”
Interestingly enough, so did Steven Davis… Hmmmm… What exactly were you attacking that Steven said??
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You better re-read Brother Chas, what Steven Davis contested about my statement on the 50/50 mix.
Davis threw in a strawman argument about a census change where people have an option of choosing more than one race on their census form.
Get it? An option.
The census, however does not over ride the reality of birth certificates and race claimed on other government forms. The census records are used for statistical permutations and analysis, not race establishment.
My statement about fathers determine the race of a child stands correct as you have confirmed for me Brother Chas.
“I’d much rather be Obama than John McSame right now . . .”
Hehe. The only differences I see are age and race.
Oh, and they pander to different groups.
Nice to know captain thinks obama has the “women’s vote” (whatever THAT is) sewn up and need not court it. Either that or.. he’s willing to throw women under the bus to pander to hispanics.
Either way… he loses as much as he gains.
Pandering is as pandering does.
He ought to worry about the women and the jewish vote in Florida.
Hank, you might call it “crap” — However, it is quite solidly based in the teachings of Jesus, not to mention a LOT of the Pauline texts… and Johanine letters… Liberation theology is actually VERY Biblical…
dang…kfg has the fastest fingers on the blog…
gonna have to start calling her the blur…
Don’t back down Hillary!
Stand your ground!
In fact, Hank, I think if one really wanted to invest the time and energy, one could come up with a fairly decent work on Hillbilly Liberation Theology…
There is a Professor of Theology at St. Paul School of Theology in Kansas City, who has done something similar to that using Country/Western Music as his particular starting point… most fascinating!!
“Well they call me the streak, ’cause I keep moving down the road..”
Lynard Skynard? OR Molly Hatchet? Cant remember….
Lynyrd Skynrd did “Well, they call me the breeze.”
As for the streak, heheh, that was Ray Stevens (”and wuzn’t wearing nuthin’ but a smile!”) :)
KsFrmGrrl–
Women don’t vote as a “bloc” so much, anymore than men do.
You can’t throw a group “under the bus” when they’re already on board.
Oh yeah, you are right Rage. Sorry, I’m not only too old to remember the bands, I guess I dont hear the lyrics correctly either.
Grandma needs an ear horn….
Also, FrmGrrl, surely you’re exagerrating for effect when you claim that there’s no difference between McCain and Obama except “age and race.”
McCain has said we could be in Iraq for 100 years. Obama has pledged to bring the troops home in 16 months. Obama is determined to institute some kind of universal health care. McSame wants more tax cuts for the rich. Obama wants to re-engage us with the rest of the world on fighting terrorism and fair trade. McSame calls this “appeasement.”
These two candidates are night and day in their beliefs, temperment, and leadership abilities.
“Well they call me the streak, ’cause I keep moving down the road..”
JJ Cale??
Nice try captain, but I dont think polls and exit interviews stack up to prove that women voters are “on board” with obama.
But just keep whistling past that graveyard…
IIRC, since obama’s been in the senate, his voting record on the war has been the same as Hillary’s. And mcsame’s.
We all know his actions dont match up with his pretty words.
Why hasnt he voted to cut off funding?
kinda like his views on gays and lesbians. He’s got those “Pretty Words” a la The Amazing Rhythm Aces, but his actions? Like pandering to evangelicals with mcclurkin and caldwell?
Eh, not so much…
Let’s see some actions to back up those words.
The Cassville Republican, John A. McCluer , May 28, 1896, Barry County, Missouri.
In the spring of 1837, his father again sold out, prepatory to moving to Missouri. This event hastened the union to Miss Nase, which took place Oct. 22, 1837, near Gallion, Ohio, and on the 24th day of the same month they started for Missouri. Nov. 24 they stopped to winter in Perry Co. Ills. Here an event occurred which changed the program. His father being a pronounced ant-slavery man, decided not to go to Missouri as Mr. Lovejoy, a prominent anti-slavery editor was murdered in Alton, Ills. for his anti-slavery sentiments, by a mob from Missouri. In August, 1838, his father moved to Jackson County, Ills. Here, in the same month, an event occurred that changed the destinies of the whole family–the death of his mother.
Notice Predestined, the date of the anti-slavery movement, in the 1830s. :)
Also,
Underground Railroad Operators
Richland County, Ohio
Unknown Blymeier
Dr. I.U. Craig
James Finney
John P. Finney
Benjamin Gass
Benjamin McClure
James McClure
John McClure
Samuel McClure
William McClure
Isaac Martin
James Martin
George Mitchell
John Reed
Unknown Robbins
Joseph Roe
Thomas Sandersall
James Wood
Note: Benjamin Gass was a brother-in-law to Thomas McCluer mentioned in the previous article, so he would be my third great grand uncle. The Samuel McClure on the list is my third great grandfather.
All Data taken from the Richland County Ohio Genealogial Website.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohrichla/
There’s more, but don’t want to mess up the thread. Thought you should know Predestined, that my family has a long, proud tradition of fighting for racial inequality. :)
Yeah, we know, FrmGrrl.
You’ll never forgive Obama for McClurkin.
But in the immortal words of Al Gore, “this election isn’t about you [or me]. It’s about what’s best for the country.”
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Here’s Andrew Sullivan’s take on Clinton’s speech last night. My thoughts exactly . . . except I’m not so much angry at Hillary anymore, more like I’m really sad for her. She’s become a pathetic caricature of her former self.
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The speech tonight was a remarkable one for a candidate who has lost the nomination, though not remarkable for a Clinton. It was an assertion that she had won the nomination and a refusal to concede anything to her opponent. Classless, graceless, shameless, relentless. Pure Clinton.
Her narcissism requires that she deprive her opponent of a night, or a second, of gratification or attention. And she has now won, in her Bush-like version of reality, 18 million votes. Her invitation for her supporters to email their suggestions to her website is pure theater, a way of keeping herself in the spotlight and maneuvering her delegates to demand a second spot on the ticket. The way she is now doing this – by an implicit threat, backed by McCain, to claim that Obama is an illegitimate nominee if she does not get her way – is designed to humiliate the nominee sufficiently to wound him enough to lose the election.
Either way, she is clearly intent on getting Obama defeated this fall if she is not offered the vice-presidency. And if she gets the veep nod, the way she has gotten it will allow her to argue that a November loss was not her loss. It was his. And she will run again in 2012.
She will not go away. The Clintons will never go away. And they will do all they can to cripple any Democrat who tries to replace them. In the tent or out of it, it is always about them. And they are no longer rivals to Obama; they are threats.
Of course ‘liberation theology’ is Biblical. But Wright, Obama and others of their ilk do not use it to bring people to Christ. It’s purpose is to bring power to socialists.
“Don’t back down Hillary! Stand your ground!”
What ground, the fight ended last night?
“Why hasnt he voted to cut off funding?”
He did vote against one of the funding bills because it did not set a timetable for withdrawal – the Republicans are attacking him now because “he doesn’t support the troops.”
er make that Samuel McClure on the list is my third great grand uncle as were James and William McClure. Their father Samuel McCluer Senior had died in 1831, get them confused sometimes. :)
Well, like I said. You bought him.
Now let’s see you get him elected.
“Now let’s see you get him elected.”
We will – I hope you join us – it is going to be an epic fight, one that we will win.
This train is just now leaving the station, please get on board with us, we can make America a better place for all Americans.
Didn’t Clinton say she would stop if Obama got ‘the magic number’?
“Didn’t Clinton say she would stop if Obama got ‘the magic number’?”
Yeah, but she also gave her written pledge in advance that the votes from Florida and Michigan would not count.
So much for that.
Hank — Liberation theology has at its core, the basic concept of “Liberating” people from oppressive governments, churches, educational systems, racial/ethnic bigotry, and a host of other things… It does not exist for the purpose of giving power to socialists… In fact, Liberation Theology fights AGAINST socialism!! Read up on it some time, Hank!!
Chas,
Get a clue. Wright was preaching hate. Hate whitey. If that is something you defend, so be it.
Any questions?
“Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a dogged Clinton supporter, recognized the brutality of the arithmetic.”
“I am the last of the Mohicans, but it is over,” he said.
Regular,
I wasn’t the one who threw the race card on the table. Read upthread.
And if you don’t like a touch of humor, maybe you should stop trying for it yourself.
I couldn’t care less if Hillary is a woman or Obama is black, white, or polka dot. That’s your party’s platform. I don’t care if there are those in MY party who can’t get past those things. I only know that I see each candidate for what they can do for, first, for our country, and, second, for me, not what their skin color is or if they stand up to take a leak.
For those who want to make childish remarks, go for it, but they aren’t nearly as cute as some think it is. And therein lies the problem of why it’s difficult to elect a decent president in this country. No one can get past the childishness of mud-throwing, innuendos and name-calling, keeping us from the real issues.
While it’s true that none of the candidates will be able to fulfill 99% of their campaign promises, I’d like to hear what they’ll TRY to do and how, no matter what party they’re from.
I take my right and privilege to vote seriously and am sick that it has become such a farce.
Senator Clinton said she would defer to the popular vote.
She has won that.
So Predestined, you consider the following humor?
mmmkay…why am I not laughing?
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Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Predestined
Posted June 4, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
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If Regular and Max want to continue their racists remarks, it’s okay. It’s always best to know where someone stands…in the mud.
Get on the train, Farmgirl!
Hmmmmmm, I wonder where they have a seat for you.
“Senator Clinton said she would defer to the popular vote.”
So, J R, now that Obama has the numbers, how is Clinton going to “take” the nomination?
Senator Clinton said she would defer to the popular vote.
Is she counting MI and FL? Those weren’t exactly fair fights. Using fuzzy math.
“Hmmmmmm, I wonder where they have a seat for you.”
In our party, Hank, absolutely. In yours, not so much.
In fact, your party those people like Ms. Grrl under the wheels.
First he says census:
“Besides, according to the U.S. Census, the race of a person is determined by their father’s race if the blood mix if 50/50, so according to the Census bureau, Obama is black.”
Then James changes that to birth records and court documents:
“If you want the know where the race determination comes from, just look at birth records. It’s historical and been aclimated to court usage and acceptance. The race of the father is used the majority of the time to determine race of the child.”
I guess poor ole James thinks he can change the argument horse in mid-stream and no one will notice? Pathetic is all I can say…
If you lie about your lies is it still lying? Not in James’s case, because he believes in the truthfulness [sic] of his fantasies.
Sorry James, strawman, you and Nathan’s favorite mischaracterization of another’s argument, does not apply here.
SolDevVB
Posted June 4, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
Senator Clinton said she would defer to the popular vote.
Is she counting MI and FL? Those weren’t exactly fair fights. Using fuzzy math.
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Ya, duh Dems used a modern day version of the “three-fifths compromise” when they made the votes from Florida and Michigan only count half.
One analysis of the “popular vote” claim:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/06/02/clinton-s-popular-vote-claim-close-but-no-cigar.aspx
I guess Stephen Davis is still trying to provoke a fight. Sorry that your so bitter Mr. Davis. Perhaps a cup of latte’ will help you out?
There is no seat for me in an obama led party.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stay away from the train kfg!
They’ll drive it over you if you DARE oppose Obama. Hope and change. Yes we can.
Rhetorical BS. Fear and smear and don’t dare oppose us.
WS?
Why do we have political conventions? Why not just call them coronations if they are not meant for anything else?
There is no seat for me in the republican party either.
I guess I’ll be outside the tent pissing in, instead of inside the tent pissing out.
I’m pretty sure me and mine wont be missed.
Except for our money and volunteer time of course.
Our votes? Not so much.
“There is no seat for me in an obama led party.”
That is your choice, Ms. Grrl, but we will still fight for you and yours and we will win.
I have not even posted here and Steven mentions me.
Steven,
Get over it already. You are too old and have far too many mental problems to be holding a grudge against me.
It seems as if you now have some sort of fetish where you have to post about me when I am not even in the discussion.
Go take your medication.
rage – good analysis. Thanks.
BlueJay – my friend – i think it is time for us to get together and go after McBush and the rest of the Bush-rats. Not each other.
So Predestined, you consider the following humor?
Why, yes, Regular, I do. After all, I learned it from you!
“Why do we have political conventions? Why not just call them coronations if they are not meant for anything else?”
They have been coronations for decades.
As I previously posted, Obama has clinched the nomination, short of his withdrawal which will not happen, if the nomination is taken from him, it will spell the end to the Democratic Party for all time.
Should that happen, we may as well give the keys to government to the Republicans.
Clark, I dont want to argue with you, my friend.
“That is your choice, Ms. Grrl, but we will still fight for you and yours and we will win.”
The BEST me and mine can hope for from obama is separate but unequal.
Identical to mcsame’s position.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m serious about her. I know it’s tilting windmills, but at least we have a CHANCE at equality with her.
“Ya, duh Dems used a modern day version of the “three-fifths compromise” when they made the votes from Florida and Michigan only count half.”
Point one – so did the Republicans, so your comment is rather hypocritical.
Point two – the candidates agreed in writing BEFORE the fact that the votes would not count.
Predestined
Posted June 4, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
So Predestined, you consider the following humor?
Why, yes, Regular, I do. After all, I learned it from you!
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Well, that’s a relief! Much easier to write what you did that admit to an error eh? :)
Plenty of room at the Libertarian table farmie.
Paul has said that federal officials changing the definition of marriage is “an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.”[194] Paul stated, “Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages.”[195] He says that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[196] Paul has also stated he doesn’t want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense.[197][198] Additionally, when asked if he was supportive of gay marriage Paul responded “I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
er than admit..
Sol — If Wright preached “hate whitey” as you so wrongly claim, then how is it that many staff members of the Illinois Conference UCC, and numerous professors from Univ. of Chicago Divinity School are active members at Trinity UCC…. AND…. they are all WHITE folks!!
Try again?? Why are you so racist against Dr. Wright?? You dont even know the man!!
Thanks but no thanks sol. He’s run on “family values” before, and we all know that is wingnut dog whistle.
But dude, we’ve got room for you at CYNTHIA’s table too! :)
Chas
Posted June 4, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink
Sol — If Wright preached “hate whitey” as you so wrongly claim, then how is it that many staff members of the Illinois Conference UCC, and numerous professors from Univ. of Chicago Divinity School are active members at Trinity UCC…. AND…. they are all WHITE folks!!
Try again?? Why are you so racist against Dr. Wright?? You dont even know the man!!
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Professors? Staff members of UCC?
I would say Brother Chas, that these caucasians you mentioned, enjoy Liberal dogma when it comes to race baiting and hating.
“The BEST me and mine can hope for from obama is separate but unequal.”
I do not support separate but unequal in any manner. I don’t even truly support “civil unions” because of the connotation that it is second lass marriage.
I want full rights and protections for the gay community.
It ain’t going to be an easy struggle, considering that it is truly the last accepted bigotry.
In my view, it is the old “how do you eat an elephant” parable – “one bite at a time.”
I know that is not a fair assessment, but 70 percent of Americans have a whacked out view of the gay community – this fight is going to take time.
Here’s an article concerning Barack Obama from one of the most respected men in the country. Thomas Sowell is African American.
An Old Newness
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Many years ago, a great hitter named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits — one hit away from the landmark total of 3,000, which so many hitters want to reach, but which relatively few actually do reach.
Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly but the official scorer called it a hit, making it Waner’s 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top.
The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later Paul Waner got a clean hit for number 3,000.
What reminded me of this i s the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of the first black President of the United States .
No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that landmark is reached.
Paul Waner had too much pride to accept a scratch hit. Choosing a President of the United States is a lot more momentous than a baseball record. We the voters need to have far more concern about who we put in that office that holds the destiny of a nation and of generations yet unborn.
There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous as Barack Obama should become president — especially not at a time when the threat of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans.
Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen.
The three leading candidates for their party’s nomination are being discussed in terms of their demographics — race, sex and age — as if that is what the job is about.
One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.
Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done b y federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.
Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults.
Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things — using the mantra of “change” endlessly — the cold fact is that virtually everything he says about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.
Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and subsidizing those who are not — all this is a re-run of the 1960s.
We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit une m ployment. During the 1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not fully recovered to this day.
The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting grievances and hamstringing the police.
Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes — including the media magic of meetings between heads of state — was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.
Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it.
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic Economics: A Citizen’s Guide to the Economy.
Ben I’m not going after anybody. I just am concerned about half of the party is following a pie eyed piper we don’t really even know.
The fact is that despite all the long going efforts to make it over?
It isn’t over.
Senator Obama said last night that running against Senator Clinton makes him a better candidate.
About that? He’s right.
It was her that got him to call the GOP the party of BAD ideas. It was her got him to denounce Farrakan.
She’s GOOD for him. And he can’t win unless she is convinced he can.
“That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.”
To even suggest that the threat of Islam is even in the range of the threat of the Nazis and Imperial Japan is just flat out stupid.
Dear Farmgirl,
I owe ya. You’ll always have a seat at my table. I’ll even make some of by vegetarian red lentil chili for your baby!
I’ll make some of my ribs for the carnivores!
Good try, Regular, but now many you can see just what your brand of humor looks like to others.
I don’t dodge admitting when I’m wrong.
You’re not blonde are ya Roxie?
just wondering…
BlueJay,
You give Hillary Clinton way too much power. If she really had that much power, she would’ve won the nomination, hands down.
“one of the most respected men in the country.”
Oh? By whom?
“You’re not blonde are ya Roxie?”
Blow it out your fleetwood, McCluer.
Respected Boxlock?? Yea, sure, right >>>>
Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace
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The Hoover Institution, within Stanford University, is a Republican public policy research center (think tank) devoted to advanced study of politics, economics, and political economy–both domestic and foreign–as well as international affairs. It has also been called the West’s citadel of anticommunism, or Bush ‘brain trust’. [1]
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BlueJay – and I am confident that when the dust settles Clinton will be working WITH Obama – both in the election campaign and subsequently in the Senate.
Plenty of room at the Libertarian table farmie.
So is Paul going to launch an independent run? He won’t be the Libertarian candidate.
That would be Bob Barr–ya know, the author of the Defense of Marriage Act?
I prefer civil libertarianism myself. Sometimes we have to keep our “politically correct” flank in line, but it’s a more logically consistent ideology! ;-)
WSCLARK
“To even suggest that the threat of Islam is even in the range of the threat of the Nazis and Imperial Japan is just flat out stupid”
Look at the most common names of boys born all over Europe. They are Islamic names. It is by design, the design of Islam. Covering your ears will not change it.
The immediacy of the threat is not the same as it was with Germany and Japan in 1939. The nature of it is far worse.
Lets talk in 25-30 years and see who feels stupid.
From Sowell:
“Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults.”
THAT is nothing more or less than lying Reich Wing Smear Tactics… and I dont care what race the author is… Just plain TRASH!
I was thinking of Habib or Ishmael for myself Heckler.
watya think? :D
Oh my GAWD!
THE MUSLIMS ARE BREEDING! THE MUSLIMS ARE BREEDING!
Yes Rage, the Muslims are breeding.
In the last half-century, Western Europe’s Muslim population has exploded from less than 250,000 to between 15 and 20 million..
chas…
“The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
Ben?
Didn’t you say the party should defer to the popular vote?
Well? Let’s take our time and count and consider that vote.
I think 3 months is a good time for contemplation and discussion and allowance for any buyers remorse.
REMEMBER. Conventions are held for a reason. Delegates and super delegates go there to give their best considered vote to the candidate they think can win.
Yes Rage, the Muslims are breeding.
And. . .?
I don’t minimize the social impact of such changes (yes, I’m aware of the issues they’ve seen in Europe as of late).
But that’s very different from calling them the “enemy” as some have done. They’re human beings.
In the last half-century, Western Europe’s Muslim population has exploded from less than 250,000 to between 15 and 20 million..
Could any of that be attributed to the Iraqi refugees?
“…. but 70 percent of Americans have a whacked out view of the gay community”
-Clark
Americans will view the gay community as the gay community is deservedly viewed.
“You’re not blonde are ya Roxie?”
Do you remember all those blonde jokes, Regular? They were originally about men, but men had nothing, so they stole them and made them blonde jokes.
Obviously RFL has no gay friends.
“Predestined” notes –
Obviously RFL has no gay friends.
Not on a first-name basis, anyway.
Rage
“But that’s very different from calling them the “enemy” as some have done”
Their religion defines us as the “enemy”.
How many times must they say they intend to rule the world before you take them seriously.
Or are you just practing up on your Dhimmi?
“… and I dont care what race the author is… Just plain TRASH!”
Chas, you’re a hoot, how you come so unglued when confronted with the truth that you don’t like and try to deny. Living in your own little make believe world there are ya Chas?
Won’t work here, ha.
Hank,
I’m truly dismayed by your comments about who’s posterier is bigger. That sort of comment typically comes from one who is sexist and I don’t have that stereotype of you. I expect better than that coming from you and hope you won’t be comparing women’s anatomy in the future.
Their religion defines us as the “enemy”.
Millions are Muslims are not Wahhabi extremists, though US policy has done a fine job of increaing their ranks.
In deference to Godwin’s law, I won’t draw the obvious parallels that come to mind when discussing the ‘Muslim menace.’
Rage
“Millions are Muslims are not Wahhabi extremists”
Very short sighted.
No, the majority of Muslims are not Wahhabi, the vast majority are non-violent and very moderate. But they are devout. And they are doing exactly as their book tells them to do. Populate the world with Muslims.
The question is- will they come to dominate the world through shear numbers 150 years from now or through violence 30 years from now, or something in between 80 years from now?
It’s their plan not mine. Don’t blame me. I just take them at their word.
Heckler – much the same thing used to be said about Catholics and their large families. Then their demographics changed. Most Muslims I know do not have large families.
However, there ARE Christian and Jewish sects that preach that they must have many kids to be God’s warriors.
“BlueJay
Posted June 4, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
Ben?
Didn’t you say the party should defer to the popular vote?”
Yes. And some mechanism must be taken to consider the MI vote since Obama’s name was not on the ballot. The analysis I read (rage’s link I think) did that and Obama came out with a narrow plurality of the popular vote.
WichiWomn
Posted June 4, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
Hank,
I’m truly dismayed by your comments about who’s posterier is bigger. That sort of comment typically comes from one who is sexist and I don’t have that stereotype of you. I expect better than that coming from you and hope you won’t be comparing women’s anatomy in the future.
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Darn! Guess I better return those Playboy Magazines to Clark then.
“Obviously RFL has no gay friends.”
That would be false.
I am actually good friends with an individual who after the friendship was established, made known to me what he calls his “problem”.
However he is not an active member of the “gay community” in the context that he is not actively trying to re-define marriage in defiance of the wishes of a majority to make his “problem” seem less problematic.
Everyone has problems. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be friends with them.
Dear WichiWomn,
I apologize for dismaying you.
I thought Democrats had a sense of humor. I mean, afterall, Hillary’s most sucessfull experience when it comes to campaigning for president was her abilities as the person in charge of ‘bimbo eruptions’.
I’m thinking that any feminist that is willing to ‘laugh’ that off and still raise Hillary to be one of the greatest feminist icons of the twentieth century could laught at a butt joke or two.
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m a little sexist. (it’s one of my endearing qualities!) To make it politically correct and less sexist, let’s put Teddy Kennedy in the mix.
Now, who has the biggest butt? Teddy, Michelle or Hillary?
Oh hell, out of those three, Teddy wins hands down. Who has the second largest butt?
RFL, your’s is an interesting statement;
“However he is not an active member of the “gay community” in the context that he is not actively trying to re-define marriage in defiance of the wishes of a majority to make his “problem” seem less problematic.”
Very good, that is exactly what I feel many of the ‘gay activists’ are doing, trying to re-define marriage against the wishes of the majority and tradition, to make it seem ‘normal’ so as to make it less problematic.
Uh…it ain’t gone’a work!
PS: I have a very high opinion of your friend, and hope he does well. I have a friend like that too, I think a lot of him, unlike the ‘activists’ trying to model the world in their likeness.
HLP,
Yeah–your sexism is an “endearing” quality, just like your anti-Semitic slurs that I had pulled from the blog last week.
You really are a perfect asshole, HLP.
Boxlock,
“Here’s an article concerning Barack Obama from one of the most respected men in the country. Thomas Sowell is African American.”
If, by “most respect men in the country,” you mean “GOP House Negro commentator,” then we can agree.
LOL!!!
CF2K has been annoyed by some of my posts!!!
Really!!!
So,. . .who has the biggest butt?
LOL
As far as Thomas Sowell goes, he is well respected by many mainstream liberals and conservatives alike.
Nitwit
HLP,
Given the evident pleasure you take in using anti-Semitic slurs, one could be forgiven for calling you an anti-Semite.
HLP,
You seem to think there’s something wrong with not laughing at racial and ethnic slurs. Wonder why that is, HLP?
More to the point, if you are the one using racist and sexist slurs, you are the problem–not the people who are “annoyed” at your use of them.
“(CNN) — A host of prominent Democrats are pushing for an Obama-Clinton unity ticket — but Jimmy Carter isn’t one of them.
The former president, who publicly endorsed Barack Obama shortly before polls closed Tuesday in the final two primary states, told a London newspaper that a joint ticket between the two former rivals would be “the worst mistake that could be made.”
“That would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates,” Carter told the Guardian, saying that both candidates’ vulnerabilities could overshadow that the ticket if the two team up together.
“If you take that 50 percent who just don’t want to vote for Clinton and add it to whatever element there might be who don’t think Obama is white enough or old enough or experienced enough or because he’s got a middle name that sounds Arab, you could have the worst of both worlds,” he said.
This is not the first time the former president has expressed doubt in the success of a unity ticket. Speaking at a Houston event late last month, Carter called the prospect “highly unlikely,” and said other potential picks could better serve the Illinois senator.
“I think it would be highly unlikely for Obama to ask her to take it,” he said then. “Because I don’t see how it would help his ticket. I think he needs somebody like a [former Georgia Sen.] Sam Nunn, but I won’t name others. But I think if he asked her, she would take it.”
Carter largely stayed on the sidelines during his party’s prolonged presidential nomination fight, though the Georgia Democrat had long hinted his preference for Obama. Speaking with Sky News last month before he made his endorsement, Carter said that once the final two contests had been held June 3, it would be time for Clinton to give up her presidential bid.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/04/carter-says-unity-ticket-would-be-worst-mistake/#more-7601
Well, CF2K,
Liberal nitwits like you have bandied around the racist and anti-sematic labels so much that they’ve become meaningless.
Anti-sematic? Prove it loser.
Racist? LOL! Again, prove it loser.
Nitwit
I can’t say what Senator Clinton’s intention is.
I HOPE she takes it to the convention.
It is her right and Obama can benefit (or we can better know him) from the vetting.
But if I had to guess? Based on the “noise”?
I think she wants to be VP. And I think Obama is not entirely unhappy to give it to her.
President of a Democrat controlled Senate and a VP in the same vein as Cheney and she chould get a LOT done that needs doing.
To the Obama supporters? SOME of you need to be a little more realistic.
Stop and think. If she had conceded last night or soon? Her supporters would be FURIOUS. I know I would. This is a big ship for either Obama or Clinton to turn. That takes a delicate and careful touch. Offend too many people in either camp and they hand the election to McCain.
For Hillary Clinton J R sings…
No one can take away your right to fight To NEVER surrender to never SURRENDER!
The California Supreme Court will not stay its decision authorizing homosexuals to “marry” in that state, even though voters will consider a constitutional amendment to ban the practice in November. The court issued its 4-3 decision Wednesday.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=130848
Attorney Matt Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, says the court’s refusal to stay their decision until the November election is very telling. “When the California Supreme Court denied this stay, especially in light of the marriage amendment being certified for the November ballot, it indicates a clear political agenda,” says Staver. “I believe that judges acting as judges, and not as legislators, would have granted the stay.”
And Staver, who is also dean of the Liberty University School of Law, says this case should make a point to elected executives who answer to the people for who they appoint to the bench. “I think this particular issue really focuses on the importance of judges understanding their role as judges,” he shares. “Whether it’s the president or the governor of each state, it is important that those who are appointing these judges understand that judges need to be judges and not political legislators, as these four justices in California have indicated themselves to be.”
I think these four judges have made a MAJOR TACTICAL BLUNDER, harming these activist judge’s cause and hurting themselves in the process. This will not only greatly galvanize the supporters of traditional marriage, but galvanize those voters disagreeing with an activist judiciary, and having the state controlled by just these four activists.
They would have been wise to grant the stay. As it is by not doing so they will have really fired things up, and not in their favor. Ha, it should get very interesting now.
OMG, the dean of Liberty University Law School? Heheheh. Falwell’s group?
And liberty counsel is SO objective on the matter. They have all the credibility of, oh, say, falwell? tony perkins?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehheheh!
This group.
Go figure boxlick would quote them.
hee hee hee.
May as well quote fred phelps or terry fox or joe wright…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel
What a maroon!
Looks like captain is wrong. Women are not exactly “on board” with obama.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080604/ap_on_el_pr/obama_angry_women
A LOT of black women I know are not on board with obama. They said nothing to “their men”, and then went to the polls to vote for Hillary.
How many times must they say they intend to rule the world before you take them seriously.
Have you read the PNAC documents lately?
I am actually good friends with an individual who after the friendship was established, made known to me what he calls his “problem”.
Let’s hope his “problem” doesn’t become yours. ;)
Other than that… O M G Notice he didn’t mention his “problem” until “after the friendship was established”. Maybe “after gay marriage becomes legal”, he’ll see it another way. I don’t know, RFL, you might keep an eye on him, especially if he starts toe-tapping in the bathroom. Shades of Larry Craig?
I know both lesbians and gay men, some well enough to call good friends. None have EVER threatened me, nor did they threaten my marriage or anyone else’s. Poor you. You have my pity.
KFG,
I’ve seen the Obama/Clinton choice thing go both ways. Not all women are on board with Hillary, as many predicted they would be. Just as not all African-Americans are on board with Obama. There really are people out there who vote with their minds, not their color-sex-blind eyes.
“hehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehheheh!”
Who let the Jackass in again. Isn’t that what that sound is.
Boxlock
Posted June 4, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
“hehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehheheh!”
Who let the Jackass in again. Isn’t that what that sound is.
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Wrong! Sadly wrong Boxlock. That is the sound of a witch right before a house lands on her and a young woman comes along and steals her shoes. (I couldn’t resist KFG-I am sorry)
Strategy?
Shouting out the word, “change” all the time is a strategy?
Democratic party hardliners are scratching their heads at what Obama really is bringing to the platform for “change”.
Those seeking substance are left wanting.
ANTI posts,
“That is the sound of a witch right before a house lands on her and a young woman comes along and steals her shoes.”
I think you may be right, then again…I’m not wrong either way with my description.
Hey, I don’t read but a few of the farmers (ksfarmgrrl) posts any more, for obvious reasons, but the other night I think I remember her (or whatever) saying she had people defending her about something community or job related, not sure what she was talking about. Can anybody shed any light on that subject, after all she brought it up like it had been discussed before and I missed that or wasn’t around at the time.
I’m interested in what that mouth of hers, that makes those Jackass noises, got her into locally.
“A LOT of black women I know are not on board with obama”
Sure, farmgirl. All two.
….pantyhose nipple fetish vomit fetish….
meaningful trackbacks…yes…Change has occurred on WE Blog…
BlueJay posted June 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm
“It was her that got him to call the GOP the party of BAD ideas.”
NO… he corrected her false claim.
She attacked him by inaccurately saying that he “really liked the ideas of the Republicans”.
“No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit.”
Wholly incorrect.
This is that “things just naturally get better” argument.
Paul Waner got 3,000 hits because he practised and worked for it.
We only get a better society because we work for it. It doesn’t happen by accident or the course of time . . .
“Let’s hope his “problem” doesn’t become yours.”
Hardly possible if homosexuality is a genetic trait.
Fully possible if it is chosen behavior.
Thanks for the good warning either way Pre. It should work in my best interest if his “problem” does not become mine. However the fact that you feel the need warn me undermines your theory that homosexuality is genetic.
And just so there’s no confusion–nobody on the liberal side of the aisle respects Thomas Sowell.
He’s a black Cal Thomas–total partisan shill and tool.
CapnAmerica
Posted June 4, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
And just so there’s no confusion–nobody on the liberal side of the aisle respects Thomas Sowell.
He’s a black Cal Thomas–total partisan shill and tool.
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I always knew the democrats moved in lock step I just never knew who was giving the orders. Thanks for clearing that up Cap.
Well the parade has started. Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost.
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Jury Finds Tony Rezko Guilty On 16 Of 24 Charges
Political Fundraiser Has Surrendered, To Begin Serving Time Immediately
(CBS) A prominent fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted Wednesday of fraud and money laundering after a high-profile federal trial provided an unusually detailed glimpse of the pay-to-play politics that has made Illinois infamous.
Antoin “Tony” Rezko, 52, showed no emotion as the jury delivered a mixed verdict that found him guilty of scheming with the government’s star witness to get kickbacks out of money management firms wanting state business, but acquitted him of charges that included attempted extortion.
“American_Way” rails –
“Shouting out the word, “change” all the time is a strategy?”
Careful, “American_Way.” You obviously missed the message John Sidney McCain the Third (Bush term) tried to give last night.
You’d be forgiven if you nodded off during it. It looked like McSame almost did.
The guy looked like Abe Simpson trying to read a teleprompter.
But his “message,” was that he was the “agent of change.”
Oh, but McBush promises change.
And he delivers.
He opposed torture before he changed and voted for it.
He opposed religious evangelicals before he changed and sucked up to them. (Before he changed once he got the nomination and rejected them.)
He railed against lobbyists’ influence in Washington until he realized they were the only people who’d finance a spineless geriatric blowhard; then McCain changed.
McSame said he was against imbalanced tax cuts favoring the “Haves and Have-Mores,” until he changed.
He said he’d be willing to commit American troops to the Iraq War for a hundred years, and that setting a timetable for withdrawal was wrong until he changed and promised to end the war by 2013.
He changed wives because the woman he married and who waited for him to get back from The ‘Nam because she’d gotten fat and he met hot little Cindy who inherited a billion dollars worth of beer.
He changed from his “principled” cause for campaign finance reform (remember the McCain-Feingold Law?) when he borrowed the family jet for campaign travel.
At age 72, President McCain will likely be able to deliver on the biggest change of all. He’s old and broken and before the 2012 election, the occupant of a McCain White House will most likely change.
“Paul Waner got 3,000 hits because he practised and worked for it.”
And that’s what this country needs to do, and not just take an inexperienced talker with a demonstrated lack of knowledge of what will be required because he’s the first black to be nominated for the position.
The U.S. Presidency is not an ‘entitlement’ position, they better be capable and if they are then, and only then, fine.
Spare us the GW flames, we are talking about Obama.
The Associated Press stating that Obamanation favors abortion rights is about like saying that Osama bin Laden favors rights of alien Muslims to enter our airports.
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You can see for yourself a YouTube video of the results of the live-birth abortion method favored, promoted, and defended by Obamanation, but presently criminalized in federal law, a law which Obamanation intends to overturn.
See GRAPHIC video page
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HDj12ffvpgY
Well, Capn,
If you don’t respect Thomas Sowell you might not really be a liberal. You’re probably just a liberal wannabee fool to stupid to understand Thomas Sowell.
I’ve seen him interviewed by liberals on cable and they demonstrated great respect for him and his work.
Thomas Sowell wrote “Basic Economics” It prompted the Washington Post to write, “. . .our most valuable public intellectual.”
Ray Sawhill of solon.com wrote, “. . . I suspect that many readers are likely to find his thinking remarkably reasonable, his arguments free of moral bullying and his tone a model of open-mindedness and respect.
I guess two examples is enough to make you a liar, Capn.
Hallelujah for the CA judges!!! They refused to kow tow before the demands of right wing religious nut brained fundamentalists, and stuck with their Court Ruling…
Funny, how when judges rule against fundamentalists, they are activist judges… BUT, when they rule in their favor, they are doing the “Lord’s Work” LOL what a JOKE!!
Hank, as if you dont already know it, the Washington Post has its share of Right Wing pundits… who likely drool over every word that Sowell writes…. The Hoover Institution is a RIGHT WING Think Tank at Stanford University… established by Herbert (one of the worst Presidents ever) Hoover!! Geez!! Talk about nitwits!!!
Worth reading to discover the man who wants to be president.
The attached is so indicative of liberal ideology,i.e., “the end justifies the means”.
Barak Obama – 50 Lies and Counting: Posted onPolitical forum.com – Elections and Campaigns.Share with friends.
1.)” Selma Got Me Born” – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 -
Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma didn’t occur until 1965.
2.)
“Father Was A Goat Herder” – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who
went on to work with the socialistic Kenyan Government.
3.)
“Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter” – LIAR, he was part of one of the most
corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.)
“My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom” – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga
has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in
2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.)
“My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian” – LIAR, she does her daily Salat
prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity
wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.)
“My name is African Swahili” – LIAR, your name is Arabic and â⒬ËoeBarakaâ⒬┢
(from which Barack came) means â⒬Ëoeblessedâ⒬┢ in that language. Hussein
is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.)
“I Never Practiced Islam” – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you
were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife
made you change, so you could run for office.
8.)
“My School In Indonesia was Christian” – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making silly faces. (check your own book).
9.)
“I Was Fluent In Indonesian” – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the
language.
10.)
“Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience” – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?
11.)
“I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs” – LIAR, except for Africa (surprise)
and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.)
“I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion” – LIAR, you were quite content
in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle
to identify – your classmates said you were just fine…you merely chose to dondrugs.
13.)
“An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office” – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the
article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.)
“A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life” – LIAR, Life has yet to find
the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.)
“I Won’t Run On A National Ticket” in ‘08″ – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.)
“Voting Present rather than Yes or No is Common in Illinois ” – LIAR, That is common
for YOU, but not many others have 130 “Present” votes which means you wouldn’t commit yourself because you didn’t want the voters to know the real you and where you stood on the issues!
17.)
“Oops, I Misvoted” – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your so-called “misvote”.
18.)
“I Was A Professor Of Law” – LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.)
“I Was a Constitutional Lawyer” – LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.)
“Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill” – LIAR, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.)
“The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass” – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.)
“I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill” – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of the money you took from your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.)
“I Have Released My State Records” – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.)
“I Took On The As bestos Altgeld Gardens Mess” – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.)
“My Economics Bill Will Help America ” – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.)
“I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois ” – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have never seen any BOLD action on your part.
27.)
“I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year” – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bi d for higher office.
28.)
“No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA” – LIAR, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.)
“I Am Tough On Terrorism” – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel and another friend el Hadi(sp?) was stopped by the Federal Government from collecting and sending donations to the terrorist group Hamas…now he is raising money for you and lists your wife Michelle as a supporter of his and she lists him as one of her friends. Also you and your wife are known co-horts of the man and wife “Weather-Underground” hippie pair who admitted killing people and bombing several federal buildings back in the late sixties or early seventies. The man has written a book saying he and his wife only wish they had done more killings and bombings!
30.)
“I Am Not Acting As President Yet” – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.)
“I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida” – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.
32.)
“I Won Michigan ” – LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.)
“I won Nevada ” – LIAR, no you did not.
34.)
“I Want All Votes To Count” – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.)
“I Want Americans To Decide” – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.)
“I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate” – LIAR, you only passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.)
“My Campaign Was Extorted by a Friend” – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.)
“I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics” – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.)
“I Don’t Take PAC Money” – LIAR, you have taken loads of it.
40.)
“I don’t Have Lobbyists” – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.)
“My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad” – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.)
“My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace” – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.)
“I Inspire People With My Words” – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.)
“I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate” – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa , which shows YOUR priorities.
45.)
“I Have Always Been Against Iraq” – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be gutting you, Obama.
46.)
“I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care” – LIAR, your plan leaves all of us working taxpayers to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.)
I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail” – LIAR, both companies you cite as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.)
“I Am As Patriotic As Anyone” – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem… because you have said “you didn’t want to offend Muslims and others who don’t like America “!
49.)
“My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country” – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America .
50.)
Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support” – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
“According to TreeHouse’s financial filings, Wal-Mart accounted for 16.1 percent of its sales last year, a 37 percent increase from 2005, making the Bentonville, Arkansas retailer TreeHouse’s biggest customer by a long shot.”
http://blogobama08.blogspot.com/2007/05/michelle-obama-leaves-treehouse-board.html
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Let’s see now — That meanbs 83.9% of Treehouse Foods sales came from somewhere OTHER than WalMart… very interesting…
Please Note: Treehouse Foods is NOT WalMart!!
Can you say “Flaming” boys and girls??
Dear HLP,
This look familiar? It should. I had Philip delete it last week.
“HLP
Posted May 28, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
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Your snickering that “Jews are cheap” is textbook anti-Semitism.
Here’s a quote for you from Paul Rose’s “German Question, Jewish Question: Revolutionary Antisemitism from Kant to Wagner” (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 1990). The passage discusses the German author Borne’s version of Shakespeare’s Jewish villain, Shylock.
“Money and revenge are the driving forces in Shylock’s personality. ‘We detest the money devil in Shylock, we grieve for the tormented man, but we love and marvel at the avenger of inhuman persecution.’ But Shylock knows that his accursed lust for money is sick, and in the end, he is forced to admit that love is stronger than money:
‘He gives away money to avenge his people and discovers that gold is not the lord of the world as the Jew believes, but that love is more powerful than money, even in the Jew.’”
(Rose 147-148)
So, HLP, I’ll spell it out for you:
-Textbook example of anti-Semitic slur = “those Jews sure are cheap”
-”Those Jews sure are cheap!” = big laughs for HLP
I’ll let you finish the inference for yourself.
Given the pleasure you derive from employing sterotypes that exhibit anti-Semitic prejudice, you may want to be more selective in your use of them, lest anyone else accuse you of being an anti-Semite.
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