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I bet they got along a lot better than Obama did with Lieberman the other day.

Clinton will not be the VP. She will take a high ranking office though. Some suggested Sec State, but I don’t think her foreign policy skills are up to snuff. Be assured, you will see a lot of the Hilster.

I think Richardson would be best.

bth,

No kidding. Evidently, after Obama got in his face, Backstabber Joe got his man-panties in a wad, and issued a press release in which he referred to the “Democrat Party” (that’s a slur, Repukes).

“As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party’s nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.”

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/lieberman_calls_dems_the_democ.php

Oh, for a 60+ Democratic majority in the Senate. When that happens come November, LIEberman the TRAITOR should expect to be stripped of his Chairmanship and shuttled off to the back benches with his Repuke playmates.

Sol – how about HHS for Clinton?

Dang, Ben. All these letters. What’s HHS stand for? I’m buried in edits and can’t switch my brain quite that quickly. :) All I can think of is a British ship, and that’s not even close and the wrong letters. (HMS, Rox, you dummy.)

I’m thinking something like Housing and Health services. I think it is what HUD morphed into.

I think Clinton’s “thing” is domestic more than foreign.

HUD is still HUD.

Health and Human Services is HHS

Thanks for the clarification, KFG. I remember HUD from school, back in the prehistoric age. :) HHS is too new for my old brain to grasp easily.

Heh, yer all welcome. I spent enough time with government procurement folks to speak fluent alphabet soup!

I wonder what lieberman knows about reid that keeps him in line like the little bitch he is?

ksfarmgrrl,

Real piece of work, that LIEberman. Did his mother have any kids who lived?

Given that HLP rightly refers to LIEberman as “the Garden Gnome,” would that JL would suffer the same fate as Peggy Hill’s gnome, Winkelbottom, who was mysteriously “disppeared” by Hank and Bobby.

http://www.tv.com/king-of-the-hill/yard-she-blows!/episode/330459/summary.html

I do, for the time being, understand Reid’s quandry, since if LIEberman officially goes Republican than majority status shifts to the Repukes, and the Committees change accordingly. But Harry has been more than a bit disappointing, and has been played, again and again, by an obstructionist, record-filibustering Repuke minority.

Come November, I’ll be FINE with a new Majority leader, so long as that person is a REAL Democrat.

For a really wild campaign consider these tickets:

McCain-Lieberman

Obama-Hagel

And with all due respect, CF, you know it’s that “been played” thing with reid and especially pelosi that makes us worried about obama and appeasement, er, reaching across the aisle…

We’ve seen the trailer for THAT movie and dont want to see it again.

Charlie Brown. Lucy. Football. You know the drill.

ksfarmgrrl,

Understood. There are certainly things in Obama’s platform that I will fight him on (notably, his use of the Repuke phrases “tax relief,” and the meme that Social Security is in a “crisis”).

But to be frank, at the tactical level, I’ve been rather impressed of late with how fiercely he has gone right at McCain. In the war of words, Obama has been the one calling the shots and forcing McCain to respond. He also hasn’t taken the bait that would force him to play McCain’s game, i.e. “let’s go to Baghdad.” It also is worth noting that McCain actually is the one trying to steal Obama’s memes, slogans, and presentation.

Strategically, I don’t have a good sense of it just yet, but Obama seems to be playing a different game than either triangulation/capitulation or escalation.

At a minimum, he’s creating an entirely new party infrastructure than has been seen before. I think the goal is to dramatically expand the number of people participating in electoral politics, which to my mind is a net plus. I can tell, already, that progressives will have to fight him from the left, but that isn’t anything we wouldn’t have had to do with Hillary Clinton, or, for that matter, any Democratic President. Once elected, they all try to throw us under the bus.

Given the magnitude of Bush’s extremism, the level of voter dissatisfaction, and the need for a correction, one could expect that the pendulum was going to swing far in the other direction. But given what we’ve already seen in the unprecedented Democratic primary season, I think this could be a year of political change that exceeds all expectations. And it does seem to me that Obama is thinking on the biggest imaginable scale.

My hope is that Obama can create the space in which we can effect real, enduring, and progressive change in the United States.

But will the current bitter partisanship hamper Obama’s efforts if he does get the presidency? Obama is only one person and as we all know, the president cannot change much in Washngton, DC without the two parties willing to compromise to govern. We’ve had too many years of this bitter partisanship and it is tearing the country apart.

No matter who wins in November, God help them.

I have another hope. It’s that Obama will surround himself with people who have the country and US (that’s US, not U.S.) in their best interest. People who are intelligent and knowledgeable. I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans. I know there are some who do, and at one time I would have been happy to lead that group and might even make me LOL now, but it would only be harmful and totally counter-productive. Let’s move away from the past and move forward.

pre – mom: agreed. On the other hand, I WOULD like to see enough Democrats in Congress to get some REAL investigations into the rampant corruption of the Bush-rats.

” I can tell, already, that progressives will have to fight him from the left,”

Yeah, I kinda knew that all along.

Ya know? The cons out there? They’re REAL nervous. You should hear them on rant radio talking about conservatism in exile.

But they smile their evil smile just a little when they see something like…

“I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans. I know there are some who do, and at one time I would have been happy to lead that group and might even make me LOL now, but it would only be harmful and totally counter-productive. Let’s move away from the past and move forward.

Last word is Hillary will hold her delegates. She should. I still say Obama is not what some think behind the smoke and mirrors. As CF notes, we are seeing early hints to that.

She should acknowledge him as the presumptive nominee. That IS what he is. That is all he is until the convention. Then, if another couple of months vets obama out, she can bring the party together in one glorious release of her delegates to him at the convention.

Political theater in the finest. And it gives some of her supporters time to digest this bitter pill.

I’m still pulling for Hillary. In Kansas I have the luxury of knowing my vote doesn’t matter between the two haves of the uniparty. If she is not the nominee, I’ll likely use my vote to actually mean something and help the Green party get a bit of a louder voice.

As one of her supporters, I INSIST that Senator Clinton be treated well. I haven’t even considered voting McCain. Though I know many, my mother included who swear they will because of how this has all gone. Whether I myself would “go there” depends on how Senator Clinton is treated going forward.

Oh and I’m not surprised their meeting was amicable. Despite what some say, I think Senator Clinton is a good person and dedicated public servant. Even if she can’t be the main event, I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.

But they smile their evil smile just a little when they see something like…

“I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans…

That is not meant to say that the Dems will knuckle under to the Reps. Far from it. There are ways to reveal that evilness you talk about. The Reps think the Dem party is weak, but one look at their candidate and how they have yet to stand behind him, and it’s easy to see just who is the weaker of the two parties.

You can either let the division weaken the Dem party, or you can stand and make the party stronger. That’s your choice, of course, but I’ll be very disappointed if you choose the former.

I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.

Don’t bet on it.

BlueJay posted June 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm

“Last word is Hillary will hold her delegates. She should.”
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Looks like she lost 32 since yesterday.

Current estimated delegate count from Wikipedia,
Yesterdays #’s inside “( )s”

Needed to win: 2,118

Obama — (2,190) 2,233 54%
Clinton — (1,921) 1,889 46%

Obama’s lead = (269) 344
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“I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.”

You mean like her voting ‘yea’ on the AUMF?

cosmos, let it go, please.

Well

I wouldn’t want her to TAKE VP ben if it wasn’t a VP in the tradition of say Dick Cheney. She wouldn’t take it without some important duties to tackle.

But we’re all political junkies here. We know the steps to the dance.

Obama HAS to offer it to her. ESPECIALLY if he has a different woman in mind for the job. She’ll turn it down.

Remember, important and careful calculation comes in here. These two candidates and their campaigbns are like huge ships and hard to turn.

He offers her VP. Her supporters are placated a little. She turns it down. This wins with the more hard hearted who don’t want her helping him.

She’s better at this stuff than he is. She may be the best person at this that has ever been. She even surpasses her husband.

I don’t have any doubt which way Senator Clinton is pointed in the overall fight. THAT was why she was and still is my candidate. Obama can LEARN a lot from her.

The one scenario wher I might see a VP as a sort of ‘co-president’ would be if the president had particularly strong foreign policy credentials and the VP strong on domestic (or perhaps vice-versa as with Cheney-Bush). This would not be the case here – ironically clinton and Obama are too similar. That is why I tend to go with a leadership Senate position or perhaps (especially a few years out) the Court.

…and just TOO damn much fun to watch!

Pre, just remember how those pretty words of “with malice toward none” worked out for ol’ Honest Abe. Reconstruction was an unmitigated disaster, and was never really given a chance to work after “the great compromise”. (I love that John Prine song!)

Charlie Brown. Football. Lucy.

Remember, you heard it here first! And I’m going to be relentless in reminding folks if this kumbaya strategy doesnt work.

First rule of the prairie… NEVER turn your back on a rattlesnake. Or pick one up. Like the old joke says, “you knew what I was when you took me in”.

Until the Green Party and the Libertarian Party get a seat at the table, there wont be any real change.

The democrats and republicans are all owned by the same big money people and corporations.

Cynthia McKinney is not.

“CF2K” –

Would that be “Dot” Indian or “Feather” Indian?

;-)

I’d sell my chickens for some naaan and fresh tziki sauce! And those little triangles of phyllo with potatoes and peas. Cant think of the name right now.

Waaaaaaaaa. I wanna go to the city. Waaaaaaaa….

Sebelius is going to be a Bilderberger this year.

Again.

I see a possible gain of 5 seats for the Dems in the Senate:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/senate/

With this – still not 60 – we will need our biggest guns in the Senate; not somewhere else.

Well if you’re asking me personally cosmos?

Some college, only national merit scholarship semi finalist from my high school class of 537 me?

It’s Obama has to get himself elected. He is asking the people for something only people, almost all of them in a lesser station than he, can give him. That being their trust and their vote.

I don’t think arrogance from him or his supporters serves him well in that pursuit do you?

Gotta go fix my mom’s gutters.

Randy Schofield in his column today asserts that Obama can win without Hillary. These folks have data suggesting otherwise:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06tyson.html?ref=opinion

I really think most rank-and-file Democrats know what’s at stake. The most ardent Hillary supporters (Bee-Beep! might be grousing now, but John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd Term) will bring most of them around.

Even after McBush secured the delegates needed to win the Republic Party nomination, he could not get more than 70% of the votes in GOP primaries. Does he address that problem by approaching the Paul-bearers (e.g., a reversal of Shrub’s Iraq War policies)? No, he clones his policies to the last seven-and-a-half years of Dumbya’s Reign of Error!

FOUR MORE YEARS!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!

That’s all the Republic Party has to offer.

BlueJay,
I realize you aren’t likely to appreciate anything I bring to your discussions but here’s one I thought might make you smile.
So smile and have a good weekend.

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is just a ‘post turtle’.’

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there to begin with.’

Monkeyhawk, one, screw you, then give you a banana.

CHICAGO (CBS) ? Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama dropped in on the Chicago 2016 Olympics rally on Friday and declared he is confident that he will be winding up his second term in the White House when Chicago hosts the 2016 Summer Olympic Games.

Such bravado about his own future is not typical of Obama, even in private. And, in the highly scripted world of modern politics, today’s last-minute appearance was unusual.
The remark was a contrast to Obama’s usual style of rhetoric, which tends to be charismatic, yet understated and not prone to brash predictions. But since it became clear he was going to be the Democratic presidential nominee, a shift has been detected in his demeanor.

We will continue to see what kind of a jerk he is as time goes on and starts breaking down.

“I find it curious that less educated voters tend to support one candidate, instead of the other choice.”

Oh I don’t know. Maybe it is because they make less money?

Maybe the problems that are starting to become familiar to most Americans, such folk have already had long and painful experience with?

Maybe such folks have a home spun wisdom of their own and are wary of folks up higher telling them that hope for change is anything more than words?

A lot of such folks are Republicans. And THEIR “higher ups” get them to the place they are convinced that if they let go and let God, why everything will come out alright.

But a lot of those same folks are Democrats. And since they haven’t been bedazzled by the promise of divine intervention? Well maybe they refuse to be drawn in by high minded, empty words from just a man they don’t know that well. Maybe they hear “yes we can” as not all that different from the lyrics of “High Hopes” and are not impressed.

By the way, I’m referring to you Monkey, not Obama.

“Oh I don’t know. Maybe it is because they make less money?”

Obama and his wife made more than $109 MILLION the last 8 years?

“Boxlock” –

Perhaps you might take a hint and do, as I do, refer to other posters on this forum by their chosen nyms.

Maybe, a long time ago, I might have referred to people with a “joke” nym such as “MonkeyHock,” or “MonkeyBrain” or the implicitly vulgar “Boxlick”, but not lately. And not in a long while.

Ah, but you all of a sudden realized the implicit racism of your post regarding Barack Obama when you wrote, “What can one expect from a Monkey?”

Had you written, “What can one expect from a ‘Monkeyhawk’?”, you’d been free of anyone’s observation of your obvious (at least to you) Freudian slip.

You have to be 100% behind someone to stab them in the back.

Obama and his wife made 109 million dollars in the last 8 years? How many millions has McCain and his wife made in the last 8 years? What politician is not in the multi-millionaire club these days?

McCain has been in politics for several decades and he is now trying to say he is the reform candidate that will bring change. Kinda hard to swallow that one because didn’t McCain vote 95% of the time with Bush for the last 6 years. Is this really a reform candidate? I think McCain got the nomination because it was his turn.

EVERYONE in politics is rich cosmos. Or even if they aren’t they soon get that way.

Am I in agreement with that? Well no.

As I am NOT rich, I have to think that there are some folks who do not forget where they came from. Otherwise I couldn’t believe in any American politician who ever got anywhere these last many years.

Obama is not much explored as to his wealth. And I have been restrained in attacking him for it here.

Like you just did the Clinton’s?

Well, the Clinton’s made most of their wealth AFTER and during when they were nationally successful in politics. I’m not entirely comfortable with that.

Obama has made most of his wealth WHILE he has been successful in ascending to national politics.

I am VERY uncomfortable with that.

The dif is? The Clinton’s are relentlessly scrutinized. The Obama’s are not.

Now we are in agreement with the improper role of money in politics. Ask yourself this. How DOES Obama rise SO quickly up the chain from local to state to national office all on his own in our agreed on environment?

Something or someone has to be funding that right?

Boxlock,

“Again Monkey, your comprehension is abysmal.
It’s Obama’s arrogance starting to show already, not his showing up to support an Olympics capture effort.
But what can one expect from a Monkey?

Boxlock
Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink
By the way, I’m referring to you Monkey, not Obama.”

You do seem to have an unerring tendency toward the self-undermining Freudian slip. Might want to get that looked at.

Or at least, you ought always to pause before hitting “Comment Post.” Good advice for everyone, come to think of it.

I think McCain got the nomination because it was his turn.

And I think they cut a deal with him during or after the 2000 election. He’d get the nomination in 2008, if he’d do as he was told to do. He did. He is.

I could explore Rezko and how that recently convicted of corruption person helped Obama get his house cosmos.

I haven’t.

“And his campaign has been funded mostly by small donations, from a large number of donors.”

Yes that is true. AFTER the steamroller was rolling.

But what got him from a speech four years ago to where he is now? WHO made his strategy of where he could win delegates in the nomination process and be SEEN as the presumptive Democratic nominee who could win in the fall………for now?

This isn’t 1968 or 1932. Obama is NOT Robert Kennedy (family wealth) or Franklin Delano Roosevelt (self and political made man). There is some force behind him that brought him to national prominence. The reality we live in is different even from the 90’s when the Clinton’s rose to power.

bush was made. Obama is made. Neither by themselves. And neither I imagine, much differently.

“Bee-Beep”

BlueJay posted June 7, 2008 at 12:12 am

“I could explore Rezko and how that recently convicted of corruption person helped Obama get his house cosmos.”

Heh… knock yourself out.

And when you’re done, explain why depositions for everybody except Senator Clinton started last month.

“Hillary Clinton Required to Testify in November to FEC Fraud!”
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/potus-obama-2008/
“Equally surprising as the ruling was the judge’s request to Hillary defense lawyer David Kendall to “say hello to his ( Judge Munoz”) friend Bill, also a partner in Kendall’s law firm” “

Sigh.

Well never let anyone say I duck a fight.

Clearly the poster who chooses “Monkeyhawk” as his nic wants one. He has his “big boy” blogger pants now and wants to lift a leg on a friend to prove it.

I’ll play.

Sir “Monkeyhawk”? You’re good. But you are a gimmick poster. You also fight on a level that brings our side down to the level of the cons.

Now? Before you ever arrived and “graced” us with your posts here, the Tiahrt son deal became a left wing civil (as in do we or not go there) war.

YOU shamelessly mine it. Cheap.

Before you ever arrived here, I and others fought Nathan to a standstill without suggesting and USING that his service for this country had left him mentally traumatized. Again, cheap. And you drew him below his own level to hit you back. We used to get him to embarrass himself without descending to his level.

Or? Maybe I missed something. I don’t have the time that you do to post. When Nathan says you are a pedophile? If I looked, would I find something to substantiate that? I don’t know. What do you have to back your charges on him?

I fight mean but I fight clean “Monkeyhawk”.

Now you have your role here. You don’t stick or make a fight. You just comment on the battle.

I’d rather not fight you. You waste my time.

But…if your ego demands it, well. I earned the title of blog “junkyard dog” from a long gone poster I respect WAY more than you.

It’s funny. BECAUSE I hate the right so much? I have to waste my time fighting those on the left who want to suck up to the right.

And so it goes.

BlueJay,

I am not “blindly” for Obama.

I thought that you wanted everyone 100% “vetted”. When…? After the November elections?

And congratulations for attacking me for my use of “links” — that’s the tactic often used by your multi-nic’d friend, ‘Regular’.

BlueJay posted June 7, 2008 at 2:10 am

“Congratulations cosmos!

That is the first post from you that I have ever seen was all your own.”
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You mean without links?

Like my posts at 5:03 pm, 6:44 pm, 8:26 pm, 10:30 pm, 11:02 pm, and 12:58 am upthread?

“Or at least, you ought always to pause before hitting “Comment Post.” Good advice for everyone, come to think of it.”

And for you also CF2K.
That “slip” was not a slip at all. I am not consumed, as you and MonkeyHawk, with things like that, but in recognition of who I was addressing I knew he would make something out of it as a child does with their bottom.
I am not the anal-retentive person MonkeyHawk and you are.

I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.
I have read that’s an indication of dimwitted intelligence by the way.

“BlueJay” (who admitted he was suffering from sleep deprivation at the time) wallowed in the mud last night with –

“When Nathan says you are a pedophile? If I looked, would I find something to substantiate that?”

No.

But then “BlueJay” goes on to claim –

“I fight mean but I fight clean”

And they say irony is dead.

“ksfarmgrrl” responds to “Boxlock’s” whine…

“I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.”

…with a chuckle-maker:

OK dammit, that’s enough! MonkeyHawk, you are treading on MY territory now, according to boxlick.

You wanna arm wrestle me for that position?

Yeah, right, “ksfarmgrrl.” Like I’m gonna arm wrestle a working farm hand!

Mama MonkeyHawk didn’t raise no fool.

Let’s have a fried chicken showdown. Drumsticks at ten paces for the Most Vulgar and Perverted poster in the world!

“ksfarmgrrl” is getting cocky (so to speak) with –

heheheheheheheh MonkeyHawk!

Let’s use fried fish as the tie breaker!

As if there’d be a tie.

Hah!

You do’wanna take on the Monkeyhawk’s catfish fry!

It’s simple, it’s clean, it’s been known to turn vegans into carnivores.

“It’s not like it’s an animal with a cute face,” she said.

And then there’s my onion rings: the perfect food, containing all four of the basic food groups.

Vegetable — The onions

Dairy — I dip ‘em in melted ice cream

Grains — My special cornmeal mix

Meat — Lard

;-)