No shouting at Obama, Clinton meeting

clintonobamafaith.jpgNo details yet of what was said and discussed at the meeting Thursday night between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. It took place at the Washington, D.C., home of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
“They talked for about an hour,” Feinstein said. “Just them. No staff.”
Asked if she heard any shouting, Feinstein said, “No, they got along very well.”

110 Comments

  1. Regular
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    House,
    Superintendent, Naval Observatory
    Washington D.C.
    curtain measurements…

  2. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Of course they weren’t shouting. They’re adults. Unlike some on here that want to take everything personally. Obama and Clinton understand that only one could “win”. They also know there’s a lot at stake here and it will take both of them working together, along with millions of others, to get to the White House.

    One thing I think many of us forget. Politicians don’t see the party dividing lines in real life. Outside of the Senate and House chambers, they’re all often friends. To the press and politically, they may say nasty things, but they all know it’s part of the game. Too bad we can’t take a page from their book and do the same.

  3. Posted June 6, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I bet they got along a lot better than Obama did with Lieberman the other day.

  4. CasinoMan
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I would have loved to of been in that room and seen Hillary’s expression as she chocked back the tears and congratulated Obama and now the Republican Canidate has a clear path to the white house.

  5. Posted June 6, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Clinton will not be the VP. She will take a high ranking office though. Some suggested Sec State, but I don’t think her foreign policy skills are up to snuff. Be assured, you will see a lot of the Hilster.

    I think Richardson would be best.

  6. Posted June 6, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    for VP that is

  7. CF2K
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    bth,

    No kidding. Evidently, after Obama got in his face, Backstabber Joe got his man-panties in a wad, and issued a press release in which he referred to the “Democrat Party” (that’s a slur, Repukes).

    “As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party’s nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.”

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/lieberman_calls_dems_the_democ.php

    Oh, for a 60+ Democratic majority in the Senate. When that happens come November, LIEberman the TRAITOR should expect to be stripped of his Chairmanship and shuttled off to the back benches with his Repuke playmates.

  8. Wiseman
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Predestined, that is pretty bad to take it as part of the game.
    Someone out there is suffering greatly because of their actions.

  9. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Sol – how about HHS for Clinton?

  10. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Oh, come on, Wiseman. This is politics. It IS a game, in a sense. Some people root for one side, some for the other, just like in sports. Can you deny that? And some people “go for blood”.

    Yes, people get hurt and far too many have been hurt over the past 7+ years. It’s time to heal–the country. Want to do your part? Or would you rather nitpick at me? Your choice, my friend.

  11. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Dang, Ben. All these letters. What’s HHS stand for? I’m buried in edits and can’t switch my brain quite that quickly. :) All I can think of is a British ship, and that’s not even close and the wrong letters. (HMS, Rox, you dummy.)

  12. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    CF, did you see this new “organization” LIEberman is heading up?

    And harry reid says his chairmanship is not going to be taken away from him.

    I think we need a new committee chair AND an new majority leader of the senate!http://www.crooksandliars.com/

  13. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking something like Housing and Health services. I think it is what HUD morphed into.

    I think Clinton’s “thing” is domestic more than foreign.

  14. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/

  15. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    HUD is still HUD.

    Health and Human Services is HHS

  16. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    …now the Republican Canidate has a clear path to the white house.

    In your dreams, CasinoMan. If you think this is going to be a cakewalk for anybody, you’re definitely delusional.

    Let the games begin! (Sorry, Wiseman. ;) )

  17. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the clarification, KFG. I remember HUD from school, back in the prehistoric age. :) HHS is too new for my old brain to grasp easily.

  18. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Thanks ksfg – for both the correction AND the link!

  19. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Heh, yer all welcome. I spent enough time with government procurement folks to speak fluent alphabet soup!

    I wonder what lieberman knows about reid that keeps him in line like the little bitch he is?

  20. Wiseman
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Yep, being tricked, miss-guided and dying of horrifying death is a sport for the New Roman Empire.
    Let’s hope that Obama brings back a true democracy, not a near dictatorship.

  21. CF2K
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl,

    Real piece of work, that LIEberman. Did his mother have any kids who lived?

    Given that HLP rightly refers to LIEberman as “the Garden Gnome,” would that JL would suffer the same fate as Peggy Hill’s gnome, Winkelbottom, who was mysteriously “disppeared” by Hank and Bobby.

    http://www.tv.com/king-of-the-hill/yard-she-blows!/episode/330459/summary.html

    I do, for the time being, understand Reid’s quandry, since if LIEberman officially goes Republican than majority status shifts to the Repukes, and the Committees change accordingly. But Harry has been more than a bit disappointing, and has been played, again and again, by an obstructionist, record-filibustering Repuke minority.

    Come November, I’ll be FINE with a new Majority leader, so long as that person is a REAL Democrat.

  22. darkanonm
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Hillary is better off staying where she is, and knows it. Obama needs help with certain people, and all Hillary can do is piss off people. opening another senate seat wouldn’t be a good thing, and she doesn’t have the credentials for much else. Only got her seat by carpetbagging.

  23. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    For a really wild campaign consider these tickets:

    McCain-Lieberman

    Obama-Hagel

  24. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    “and all Hillary can do is piss off people”

    Well, at least HALF of the party is not pissed off at her, but supports her.

    Does that mean obama pisses off the other half? And btw, he’s a carpetbagger too.

    And CF, yeah, I understand right now about lieberman, but if the democrats have a clear majority after the elections, I hope to see them bounce holy joe off the floor like an overinflated basketball.

    Little bitch that HE is too.

    And I hope reid, because of the aforementioned ball-lessness, goes home to “spend more time with his family”.

    That is, if THEY want him either!

  25. Posted June 6, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    And with all due respect, CF, you know it’s that “been played” thing with reid and especially pelosi that makes us worried about obama and appeasement, er, reaching across the aisle…

    We’ve seen the trailer for THAT movie and dont want to see it again.

    Charlie Brown. Lucy. Football. You know the drill.

  26. mom
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    bth – I like your idea of McCain-Lieberman and Obama-Hagel. That would be interesting. At least we would see if these loyalist party people are true Americans or just partisan party hacks willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

  27. CF2K
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl,

    Understood. There are certainly things in Obama’s platform that I will fight him on (notably, his use of the Repuke phrases “tax relief,” and the meme that Social Security is in a “crisis”).

    But to be frank, at the tactical level, I’ve been rather impressed of late with how fiercely he has gone right at McCain. In the war of words, Obama has been the one calling the shots and forcing McCain to respond. He also hasn’t taken the bait that would force him to play McCain’s game, i.e. “let’s go to Baghdad.” It also is worth noting that McCain actually is the one trying to steal Obama’s memes, slogans, and presentation.

    Strategically, I don’t have a good sense of it just yet, but Obama seems to be playing a different game than either triangulation/capitulation or escalation.

    At a minimum, he’s creating an entirely new party infrastructure than has been seen before. I think the goal is to dramatically expand the number of people participating in electoral politics, which to my mind is a net plus. I can tell, already, that progressives will have to fight him from the left, but that isn’t anything we wouldn’t have had to do with Hillary Clinton, or, for that matter, any Democratic President. Once elected, they all try to throw us under the bus.

    Given the magnitude of Bush’s extremism, the level of voter dissatisfaction, and the need for a correction, one could expect that the pendulum was going to swing far in the other direction. But given what we’ve already seen in the unprecedented Democratic primary season, I think this could be a year of political change that exceeds all expectations. And it does seem to me that Obama is thinking on the biggest imaginable scale.

    My hope is that Obama can create the space in which we can effect real, enduring, and progressive change in the United States.

  28. LLTVET
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    interesting idea Ben. Hagel and Lieberman. It’s hard to predict how much longer Bi-partisanship will remain. Is it a trend that has been growing since Ross Perot(maybe even before then) or just another election year flavor of the month.

  29. mom
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    But will the current bitter partisanship hamper Obama’s efforts if he does get the presidency? Obama is only one person and as we all know, the president cannot change much in Washngton, DC without the two parties willing to compromise to govern. We’ve had too many years of this bitter partisanship and it is tearing the country apart.

    No matter who wins in November, God help them.

  30. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    mom,

    Yours is a legitimate question. I don’t think we’ll know unless it happens, but I hope the leadership of someone like Obama spurs both sides to act like adults, instead of kids with candy they won’t share.

  31. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I have another hope. It’s that Obama will surround himself with people who have the country and US (that’s US, not U.S.) in their best interest. People who are intelligent and knowledgeable. I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans. I know there are some who do, and at one time I would have been happy to lead that group and might even make me LOL now, but it would only be harmful and totally counter-productive. Let’s move away from the past and move forward.

  32. mom
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    That’s why the thought of Hagel on the Obama ticket sounds interesting to me. From what I know about Hagel, he sounds like someone who has the best interest of our country and fellow Americans at heart. Also, Hagel stated once that he would be willing to be on the ticket with a Democrat, didn’t he?

  33. Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    pre – mom: agreed. On the other hand, I WOULD like to see enough Democrats in Congress to get some REAL investigations into the rampant corruption of the Bush-rats.

  34. mom
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    bth – even if there were investigations, what would it bring? Five years later we get the report, like the Phase II of the intelligence report recently released, or the 9/11 report that Bush blocked and then it finally was released but never adhered to?

  35. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    ” I can tell, already, that progressives will have to fight him from the left,”

    Yeah, I kinda knew that all along.

    Ya know? The cons out there? They’re REAL nervous. You should hear them on rant radio talking about conservatism in exile.

    But they smile their evil smile just a little when they see something like…

    “I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans. I know there are some who do, and at one time I would have been happy to lead that group and might even make me LOL now, but it would only be harmful and totally counter-productive. Let’s move away from the past and move forward.

    Last word is Hillary will hold her delegates. She should. I still say Obama is not what some think behind the smoke and mirrors. As CF notes, we are seeing early hints to that.

    She should acknowledge him as the presumptive nominee. That IS what he is. That is all he is until the convention. Then, if another couple of months vets obama out, she can bring the party together in one glorious release of her delegates to him at the convention.

    Political theater in the finest. And it gives some of her supporters time to digest this bitter pill.

    I’m still pulling for Hillary. In Kansas I have the luxury of knowing my vote doesn’t matter between the two haves of the uniparty. If she is not the nominee, I’ll likely use my vote to actually mean something and help the Green party get a bit of a louder voice.

    As one of her supporters, I INSIST that Senator Clinton be treated well. I haven’t even considered voting McCain. Though I know many, my mother included who swear they will because of how this has all gone. Whether I myself would “go there” depends on how Senator Clinton is treated going forward.

    Oh and I’m not surprised their meeting was amicable. Despite what some say, I think Senator Clinton is a good person and dedicated public servant. Even if she can’t be the main event, I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.

  36. Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    mom – I think that if there is some sort of accountability then it might be a deterrent in the future.

  37. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    But they smile their evil smile just a little when they see something like…

    “I don’t want to see 4 years of getting even with the Republicans…

    That is not meant to say that the Dems will knuckle under to the Reps. Far from it. There are ways to reveal that evilness you talk about. The Reps think the Dem party is weak, but one look at their candidate and how they have yet to stand behind him, and it’s easy to see just who is the weaker of the two parties.

    You can either let the division weaken the Dem party, or you can stand and make the party stronger. That’s your choice, of course, but I’ll be very disappointed if you choose the former.

    I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.

    Don’t bet on it.

  38. Rage
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Of course they weren’t shouting. They’re adults.

    Wow. Exactly what I was going to say. Seriously.

  39. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay posted June 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    “Last word is Hillary will hold her delegates. She should.”
    ———-

    Looks like she lost 32 since yesterday.

    Current estimated delegate count from Wikipedia,
    Yesterdays #’s inside “( )s”

    Needed to win: 2,118

    Obama — (2,190) 2,233 54%
    Clinton — (1,921) 1,889 46%

    Obama’s lead = (269) 344
    ———–

    “I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can.”

    You mean like her voting ‘yea’ on the AUMF?

  40. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    “I KNOW she is a fighter who is itching to go after the cons any way she can”

    OK. Given the fact that the President will have to govern the country what would be the best way to do that? As I noted before; I’d like to see some Congressional investigations into CON corruption. I don’t really see the President as being in a position to do this. On the other hand, Congress can.

    Work with the Senate leadership to give Clinton some good Committee assignments then let her loose. BlueJay – I agree with you. And I believe that she will be MUCH more able to do so from her Senate seat than from the VP office.

  41. Rage
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    cosmos, let it go, please.

  42. CF2K
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    Seems to me that Senator Clinton could be the spearhead that moves a new Democratic Senate Majority. She’s a good operator in the one-on-one environment of the Senate, which is a trait she shares with the greatest of all Senate Majority leaders, LBJ.

    I’d go to bat to make “Majority Leader Clinton of the United States Senate” a reality. Absolutely. If and when the time comes, I’ll call Senatorial offices.

  43. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Well

    I wouldn’t want her to TAKE VP ben if it wasn’t a VP in the tradition of say Dick Cheney. She wouldn’t take it without some important duties to tackle.

    But we’re all political junkies here. We know the steps to the dance.

    Obama HAS to offer it to her. ESPECIALLY if he has a different woman in mind for the job. She’ll turn it down.

    Remember, important and careful calculation comes in here. These two candidates and their campaigbns are like huge ships and hard to turn.

    He offers her VP. Her supporters are placated a little. She turns it down. This wins with the more hard hearted who don’t want her helping him.

    She’s better at this stuff than he is. She may be the best person at this that has ever been. She even surpasses her husband.

    I don’t have any doubt which way Senator Clinton is pointed in the overall fight. THAT was why she was and still is my candidate. Obama can LEARN a lot from her.

  44. Rage
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Work with the Senate leadership to give Clinton some good Committee assignments then let her loose. BlueJay – I agree with you. And I believe that she will be MUCH more able to do so from her Senate seat than from the VP office.

    I also thought about the possibility of various cabinet posts, but I really think the best place for her to fix the health care system is where she is right now. The only real advantage the VP position holds is one of being the presumptive front-runner for president in 2016. Of course, some vice presidents have been very powerful (think Al Gore, and of course Darth Cheney), but that only happens at the whim of the president.

    John Nance Garner once described the office of the vice presidency as being “not worth a bucket of warm piss.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner

  45. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    The one scenario wher I might see a VP as a sort of ‘co-president’ would be if the president had particularly strong foreign policy credentials and the VP strong on domestic (or perhaps vice-versa as with Cheney-Bush). This would not be the case here – ironically clinton and Obama are too similar. That is why I tend to go with a leadership Senate position or perhaps (especially a few years out) the Court.

  46. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Who said that living well is the best revenge?

    Passing some great legislation and repealing DOMA and DADT would REALLY piss off the wingnuts. So would getting out of Iraq quickly.

    Fixing the economy is gonna take a while, but repealing the bushco tax cuts for paris hilton would be a good start.

    Pardon me if I have little faith that ANY of that will happen. Senators have a mini excuse because their majority is slim, but WTF with pelosi and her majority. They havent done shit. Even for symbolism.

    And they ALL could have cut off funding for a long time. If this “voters hunger for change” is so true, they wouldnt have been punished for doing so.

    I think Hillary should turn down the vp or any cabinet position unless it is sec. of defense :) I think we need Jim Webb in the senate, and we certainly need sam nunn in retirement.

    It should be Richardson or a male governor. Any woman now on the ticket is going to be seen as throwing a bone to women voters. And be resented by the Hillary loyalists, the very people obama needs to court.

    And by the way, I have worked with Richardson and I dont care for him much. But right now, either Bill or a male governator would be the right choice. But I think Richardson will bring the Hispanic vote and some foreign affairs credibility.

    But I’m still voting for Cynthia, not that it matters.

  47. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    …and just TOO damn much fun to watch!

  48. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Caroline Kennedy will be in line for a cabinet position like HHS or HUD?

    I’ve heard sebelius as sec of ag. Heh. She knows as much about agriculture as… Charlie Rangel. And her record on water and support of big irrigation could be a problem. Particularly in the west.

  49. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Pre, just remember how those pretty words of “with malice toward none” worked out for ol’ Honest Abe. Reconstruction was an unmitigated disaster, and was never really given a chance to work after “the great compromise”. (I love that John Prine song!)

    Charlie Brown. Football. Lucy.

    Remember, you heard it here first! And I’m going to be relentless in reminding folks if this kumbaya strategy doesnt work.

    First rule of the prairie… NEVER turn your back on a rattlesnake. Or pick one up. Like the old joke says, “you knew what I was when you took me in”.

  50. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    “Seems to me that Senator Clinton could be the spearhead that moves a new Democratic Senate Majority. She’s a good operator in the one-on-one environment of the Senate, which is a trait she shares with the greatest of all Senate Majority leaders, LBJ.

    I’d go to bat to make “Majority Leader Clinton of the United States Senate” a reality. Absolutely. If and when the time comes, I’ll call Senatorial offices.”

    Good post Cf. From your lips to the senate’s ears.

  51. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Until the Green Party and the Libertarian Party get a seat at the table, there wont be any real change.

    The democrats and republicans are all owned by the same big money people and corporations.

    Cynthia McKinney is not.

  52. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Winston Churchill defined “A fanatic [as] one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.”

    You’re deep into fanatic mode, “BlueJay.”

    We know you don’t like Obama and you’ve told us why.

    You clutter this forum with the same rants day after day. You haven’t offered anything new on the subject for weeks.

    We know how you feel. Just as we know how “Parkay” feels about reproductive rights, just as we know how “MaxGrobnik” feels about guns, just as we know how “Nathaniel” feels about “Chas.”

    The one-issue/one-opinion magpies in this forum are doing neither themselves nor their issue any good anymore.

  53. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    “CF2K” –

    Would that be “Dot” Indian or “Feather” Indian?

    ;-)

  54. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    INDIAN FOOD! You sumbiotch… I love Indian Food!

    “He also has some liabilities, i.e. the ladies.”

    That’s why I dont like Richardson. He’s waaaaay more slimy in his personal life. I would have called him greasy but that would have been construed as racist.

  55. Posted June 6, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    I’d sell my chickens for some naaan and fresh tziki sauce! And those little triangles of phyllo with potatoes and peas. Cant think of the name right now.

    Waaaaaaaaa. I wanna go to the city. Waaaaaaaa….

  56. Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Jesus WEPT! I hadnt heard boren’s name mentioned. WTF? Who thinks THAT is a good idea? He needs to be included amongst those we bury and salt the earth on top of his grave.

  57. Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Sebelius is going to be a Bilderberger this year.

    Again.

  58. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    I don’t waste anymore space here than you do Monkeyhawk. Less in fact.

    Maybe I’m coming from a less elevated place. By your thinking anyway. That’s a failing some obama supporters might want to work on. Polls say it’s something of a problem for him. The high hat thing?

    Your opinion is noted and filed under “I don’t give a damn.”

  59. Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I see a possible gain of 5 seats for the Dems in the Senate:

    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/senate/

    With this – still not 60 – we will need our biggest guns in the Senate; not somewhere else.

  60. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    “Maybe I’m coming from a less elevated place. By your thinking anyway. That’s a failing some obama supporters might want to work on. Polls say it’s something of a problem for him. The high hat thing?”

    Is that a “problem” with Obama… or with the voters who have only a high school (or less) education?

  61. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Well if you’re asking me personally cosmos?

    Some college, only national merit scholarship semi finalist from my high school class of 537 me?

    It’s Obama has to get himself elected. He is asking the people for something only people, almost all of them in a lesser station than he, can give him. That being their trust and their vote.

    I don’t think arrogance from him or his supporters serves him well in that pursuit do you?

    Gotta go fix my mom’s gutters.

  62. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, “BlueJay.” You’re becoming the Wile E. Coyote of politics.

    Bee-Beep!

  63. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Randy Schofield in his column today asserts that Obama can win without Hillary. These folks have data suggesting otherwise:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06tyson.html?ref=opinion

  64. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    I guess I haven’t seen any more arrogance from Obama than I have from Clinton. Neither is in the big word league that Kerry was, and it’s what killed him. But I keep hearing “elitist” and I can’t see it.

    NEVER turn your back on a rattlesnake.

    If you think I was advocating that, KFG, you’re wrong. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is more like it. In fact I think I mentioned that I don’t want to see any knuckling under. Or did I miss that? ::sigh:: I’ve been in and out of her in little snippets and have to read to much before I can post. Sorry, but work and life call, and I do tend to not type what I men in a clear and understandable way.

    Anyway, what I want to see will take great finesse. Can the dems do it? I hope so, but I’m not counting on it. But then I’ve learned to only count on my fingers and toes. ;)

  65. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    I really think most rank-and-file Democrats know what’s at stake. The most ardent Hillary supporters (Bee-Beep! might be grousing now, but John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd Term) will bring most of them around.

    Even after McBush secured the delegates needed to win the Republic Party nomination, he could not get more than 70% of the votes in GOP primaries. Does he address that problem by approaching the Paul-bearers (e.g., a reversal of Shrub’s Iraq War policies)? No, he clones his policies to the last seven-and-a-half years of Dumbya’s Reign of Error!

    FOUR MORE YEARS!
    FOUR MORE YEARS!!

    That’s all the Republic Party has to offer.

  66. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t asking you personally BlueJay.

    We are guaranteed ‘freedom of the press’ (sort of) because a strong democracy requires accurately informed citizens.

    I find it curious that less educated voters tend to support one candidate, instead of the other choice.

    And most people don’t have a higher “station” than a J.D. from Yale. Or the ability to earn $109 million in only eight years.

  67. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay,
    I realize you aren’t likely to appreciate anything I bring to your discussions but here’s one I thought might make you smile.
    So smile and have a good weekend.

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is just a ‘post turtle’.’

    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’

    The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there to begin with.’

  68. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” –

    The first time I heard the post-turtle joke it was told by Ann Richards about George WMD Bush.

    Meanwhile, ol’ “Regular, et al” thinks he made up “He was selected, not elected.” And now John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is trying to steal Obama’s “change” message.

    Come up with your own material.

  69. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk, one, screw you, then give you a banana.

    CHICAGO (CBS) ? Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama dropped in on the Chicago 2016 Olympics rally on Friday and declared he is confident that he will be winding up his second term in the White House when Chicago hosts the 2016 Summer Olympic Games.

    Such bravado about his own future is not typical of Obama, even in private. And, in the highly scripted world of modern politics, today’s last-minute appearance was unusual.
    The remark was a contrast to Obama’s usual style of rhetoric, which tends to be charismatic, yet understated and not prone to brash predictions. But since it became clear he was going to be the Democratic presidential nominee, a shift has been detected in his demeanor.

    We will continue to see what kind of a jerk he is as time goes on and starts breaking down.

  70. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” loses it with –

    “Monkeyhawk, one, screw you, then give you a banana.”

    Real Lincoln/Douglas debate tactics, “Boxlock.”

    And now the best issue the McSame campaign has is Barack Obama showed up at a hometown rally to promote Chicago’s bid for the Olympic Games?

    Oooooh!

    Now that’s a presidential election issue!

    Run with that.

  71. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    “I find it curious that less educated voters tend to support one candidate, instead of the other choice.”

    Oh I don’t know. Maybe it is because they make less money?

    Maybe the problems that are starting to become familiar to most Americans, such folk have already had long and painful experience with?

    Maybe such folks have a home spun wisdom of their own and are wary of folks up higher telling them that hope for change is anything more than words?

    A lot of such folks are Republicans. And THEIR “higher ups” get them to the place they are convinced that if they let go and let God, why everything will come out alright.

    But a lot of those same folks are Democrats. And since they haven’t been bedazzled by the promise of divine intervention? Well maybe they refuse to be drawn in by high minded, empty words from just a man they don’t know that well. Maybe they hear “yes we can” as not all that different from the lyrics of “High Hopes” and are not impressed.

  72. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Again Monkey, your comprehension is abysmal.
    It’s Obama’s arrogance starting to show already, not his showing up to support an Olympics capture effort.
    But what can one expect from a Monkey?

  73. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    By the way, I’m referring to you Monkey, not Obama.

  74. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay,
    Did you get your Mom’s gutters taken care of?
    None of my business I guess, but couldn’t it have waited until you had light in the morning. Roofs aren’t a very nice place to work after dark.
    Like I said…it’s none of my business but from what you’ve said you’ve got a son to care for and falling off a roof might interfere.
    Glad that didn’t happen.

  75. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    “Oh I don’t know. Maybe it is because they make less money?”

    Obama and his wife made more than $109 MILLION the last 8 years?

  76. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    A guy who uses a nic like “Monkeyhawk” wants to call ME a cartoon?

    You’re good Monkeyhawk. You’re also a little too full of yourself.

    Defending Senator Clinton through this season has been a lonely and largely thankless job. I’m up against the media left and right as well as some people I used to think of as friends and some people I still see that way. I’m not good at turning on people I call friends. That doesn’t seem a problem for some Obama supporters or even the candidate himself.

    The funny thing is? I always said Obama couldn’t win. The general election I mean. And it won’t be me who makes that come true. It will be some of his own supporters. Some of you have been on the march OVER Clinton supporters for so long that you can’t see that marching forward WITHOUT Clinton supporters is just regimented parade to defeat in the fall.

    Oh and I am still not resigned to Obama as the nominee. But if he is and loses? I will be right there with political mama and kfg to say “I told you so”.

    And if he DOES win and the football fkg talks about is pulled from in front of him by the cons?

    I will be there to remind that I tried to tell you.

  77. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” –

    Perhaps you might take a hint and do, as I do, refer to other posters on this forum by their chosen nyms.

    Maybe, a long time ago, I might have referred to people with a “joke” nym such as “MonkeyHock,” or “MonkeyBrain” or the implicitly vulgar “Boxlick”, but not lately. And not in a long while.

    Ah, but you all of a sudden realized the implicit racism of your post regarding Barack Obama when you wrote, “What can one expect from a Monkey?”

    Had you written, “What can one expect from a ‘Monkeyhawk’?”, you’d been free of anyone’s observation of your obvious (at least to you) Freudian slip.

  78. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t on the roof Box but thanks the concern. No thanks to my Obama supporting brother too busy riding his bike to help our mom (I couldn’t resist!) the gutter is fixed.

    My last post somehow dropped a phrase.

    “The funny thing is? I always said Obama couldn’t win. The general election I mean. And it won’t be me who makes that come true. It will be some of his own supporters.”

    This was follwed by “That and his “strategy” of winning where I can now and I’ll worry about later….um later.”

  79. darkanonm
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    You have to be 100% behind someone to stab them in the back.

  80. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    “BlueJay” –

    Bee-Beep!

  81. mom
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Obama and his wife made 109 million dollars in the last 8 years? How many millions has McCain and his wife made in the last 8 years? What politician is not in the multi-millionaire club these days?

    McCain has been in politics for several decades and he is now trying to say he is the reform candidate that will bring change. Kinda hard to swallow that one because didn’t McCain vote 95% of the time with Bush for the last 6 years. Is this really a reform candidate? I think McCain got the nomination because it was his turn.

  82. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    mom posted June 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    “Obama and his wife made 109 million dollars in the last 8 years? ”
    ———–

    I don’t think so, but Bill and Hillary Clinton did.

    BlueJay posted: “Oh I don’t know. Maybe it is because they make less money?”

    So I asked him: “Obama and his wife made more than $109 MILLION the last 8 years?

    Maybe BlueJay will post his answer soon?

  83. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    EVERYONE in politics is rich cosmos. Or even if they aren’t they soon get that way.

    Am I in agreement with that? Well no.

    As I am NOT rich, I have to think that there are some folks who do not forget where they came from. Otherwise I couldn’t believe in any American politician who ever got anywhere these last many years.

    Obama is not much explored as to his wealth. And I have been restrained in attacking him for it here.

    Like you just did the Clinton’s?

    Well, the Clinton’s made most of their wealth AFTER and during when they were nationally successful in politics. I’m not entirely comfortable with that.

    Obama has made most of his wealth WHILE he has been successful in ascending to national politics.

    I am VERY uncomfortable with that.

    The dif is? The Clinton’s are relentlessly scrutinized. The Obama’s are not.

    Now we are in agreement with the improper role of money in politics. Ask yourself this. How DOES Obama rise SO quickly up the chain from local to state to national office all on his own in our agreed on environment?

    Something or someone has to be funding that right?

  84. Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay,
    As I’ve said before, I can’t get very excited, in a positive way, about any of the candidates this election. Too bad too, as I feel we may be at a pivotal time in our history, but only history will tell. I guess all generations feel that way.
    I am not a Hillary fan…at all! That being said, she is so far ahead capability wise, and maturity wise and experience wise than Obama I can’t believe this country is going goo-goo over empty words of “Change”. What change? Anymore, I think the more it ‘changes’ the more it stays the same with the politicians we have running things.
    By the way, you will never regret helping your Mother, whether your brother does or not. I know, I helped mine as much as I could after Dad died, and she let me know how much it was appreciated right up to the last day I saw her alive. I have never regretted (now) having to get up and go over to do something for her…wish I could have done more.

    Okay MonkeyHawk, I will try. Many times when I use ‘Monkey’ it’s not an intentional put-down just an abbreviation, and…sometimes it’s a put-down you deserve.
    You are correct, I’d did realize the ‘implicit’ racism in using Obama and Monkey in the same post. It was so unintentional and totally unrelated in my mind, to the point I didn’t ever think of it until after it posted. And no credit to you, and in my opinion of you, I felt you would make something, a lie, out of it when I never intended such.

  85. CF2K
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock,

    “Again Monkey, your comprehension is abysmal.
    It’s Obama’s arrogance starting to show already, not his showing up to support an Olympics capture effort.
    But what can one expect from a Monkey?

    Boxlock
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink
    By the way, I’m referring to you Monkey, not Obama.”

    You do seem to have an unerring tendency toward the self-undermining Freudian slip. Might want to get that looked at.

    Or at least, you ought always to pause before hitting “Comment Post.” Good advice for everyone, come to think of it.

  86. BlueJay
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Oh and cosmos?

    You’re good too. In a unique way from my long time on this forum.

    You use links and say little. Be it with me on Clinton/Obama or the deniers on global warming, I’d like to see more of you as to sticking a fight.

  87. Predestined
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    I think McCain got the nomination because it was his turn.

    And I think they cut a deal with him during or after the 2000 election. He’d get the nomination in 2008, if he’d do as he was told to do. He did. He is.

  88. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 6, 2008 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    You are the one who raised the issues of “station” and “money”.

    IIRC, Obama has made money from sales of his book.

    And his campaign has been funded mostly by small donations, from a large number of donors.

    Senator Clinton started her funding mostly from a smaller group of donors, who max’d out, and couldn’t donate any more.

    Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million, at an interest rate of 1.26% in February. That means that a small part of campaign donations went to her, instead of the campaign.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/clinton-to-be-paid-interest-on-campaign-loan/

    That was after Obama raised record $32 million in January, from a base that added 170,000 new donors.

    ‘Clinton Loans Campaign Money…Again’
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-loans-c.html
    “On April 11, Sen. Clinton loaned her campaign $5M; on May 1, she loaned $1M; and on May 5, loaned $425,000.”

    A total of about $11.425 million.

  89. BlueJay
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    I could explore Rezko and how that recently convicted of corruption person helped Obama get his house cosmos.

    I haven’t.

    “And his campaign has been funded mostly by small donations, from a large number of donors.”

    Yes that is true. AFTER the steamroller was rolling.

    But what got him from a speech four years ago to where he is now? WHO made his strategy of where he could win delegates in the nomination process and be SEEN as the presumptive Democratic nominee who could win in the fall………for now?

    This isn’t 1968 or 1932. Obama is NOT Robert Kennedy (family wealth) or Franklin Delano Roosevelt (self and political made man). There is some force behind him that brought him to national prominence. The reality we live in is different even from the 90’s when the Clinton’s rose to power.

    bush was made. Obama is made. Neither by themselves. And neither I imagine, much differently.

  90. mom
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    cosmos-orig – sorry, I was looking at your post and didn’t completely read the previous posts when I was trying to make the point that I think all the politicians are in the multi-millionaire club.

    But Blue Jay, how do you think the Clintons got into national politics? Do you really believe that some little Arkansas governor and his lawyer wife got to Washington DC without being funded by someone or some group? What national politician has not risen to their position of power through someone else – except for maybe Bush?

  91. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    “Bee-Beep”

  92. mom
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Rezko was convicted this week of his own dealings and it has been reported that Obama was in no way connected to the dealings Rezko was convicted of.

    As I remember, there was alot of investigations into the Clintons’ Whitewater. There are still people that do not believe there was some shady dealings that went on with that deal.

    I am originally from Illinois (still have family there) and I have not heard anything negative about Obama. Do I agree with Obama on everything – No. Do I know enough about Obama – No. But it looks like he is going to be the Democratic nominee. But for the sake of the country, this election is very important. We either continue with the Bush policies or we make a change.

    I also read where the Obama campaign is willing to help Hillary pay off her campaign debt. If Obama is nothing but a thug, then why would he make that offer to her?

  93. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    BlueJay posted June 7, 2008 at 12:12 am

    “I could explore Rezko and how that recently convicted of corruption person helped Obama get his house cosmos.”

    Heh… knock yourself out.

    And when you’re done, explain why depositions for everybody except Senator Clinton started last month.

    “Hillary Clinton Required to Testify in November to FEC Fraud!”
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/potus-obama-2008/
    “Equally surprising as the ruling was the judge’s request to Hillary defense lawyer David Kendall to “say hello to his ( Judge Munoz”) friend Bill, also a partner in Kendall’s law firm” “

  94. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    mom,

    No problem. I got lazy, and didn’t put the “posted” by at the top of my post.

  95. BlueJay
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Sigh.

    Well never let anyone say I duck a fight.

    Clearly the poster who chooses “Monkeyhawk” as his nic wants one. He has his “big boy” blogger pants now and wants to lift a leg on a friend to prove it.

    I’ll play.

    Sir “Monkeyhawk”? You’re good. But you are a gimmick poster. You also fight on a level that brings our side down to the level of the cons.

    Now? Before you ever arrived and “graced” us with your posts here, the Tiahrt son deal became a left wing civil (as in do we or not go there) war.

    YOU shamelessly mine it. Cheap.

    Before you ever arrived here, I and others fought Nathan to a standstill without suggesting and USING that his service for this country had left him mentally traumatized. Again, cheap. And you drew him below his own level to hit you back. We used to get him to embarrass himself without descending to his level.

    Or? Maybe I missed something. I don’t have the time that you do to post. When Nathan says you are a pedophile? If I looked, would I find something to substantiate that? I don’t know. What do you have to back your charges on him?

    I fight mean but I fight clean “Monkeyhawk”.

    Now you have your role here. You don’t stick or make a fight. You just comment on the battle.

    I’d rather not fight you. You waste my time.

    But…if your ego demands it, well. I earned the title of blog “junkyard dog” from a long gone poster I respect WAY more than you.

    It’s funny. BECAUSE I hate the right so much? I have to waste my time fighting those on the left who want to suck up to the right.

    And so it goes.

  96. BlueJay
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    And there you are again cosmos.

    It’s not surprising you are blindly for Obama. You are SO like him.

    In ALL of your posts, we get a few of your words and a lot of someone else’s.

    You are for this or against that. And you fight with a third or less of your posts with your own words. The rest is links.

  97. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    I am not “blindly” for Obama.

    I thought that you wanted everyone 100% “vetted”. When…? After the November elections?

    And congratulations for attacking me for my use of “links” — that’s the tactic often used by your multi-nic’d friend, ‘Regular’.

  98. BlueJay
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Congratulations cosmos!

    That is the first post from you that I have ever seen was all your own. I hope we see more of you.

    Damn I am tired. I’ve always been late night here after a long day.

    You should do your research better cosmos. I am no friend of “Regular”

    He has threatened to kill me. And it was a crazy Obama supporter that THOUGHT he gave loony ol’ James what crazy old paulie thought was the chance.

    Let’s see more of you and and you keep the links too cosmos. What? Only friends you have a beef with can get you to talk? Yay me. Raise your voice and not just links against the deniers.

    And I’m pontificating. Best I retire.

  99. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    BlueJay posted June 7, 2008 at 2:10 am

    “Congratulations cosmos!

    That is the first post from you that I have ever seen was all your own.”
    ———-

    You mean without links?

    Like my posts at 5:03 pm, 6:44 pm, 8:26 pm, 10:30 pm, 11:02 pm, and 12:58 am upthread?

  100. Posted June 7, 2008 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    “And most people don’t have a higher “station” than a J.D. from Yale. Or the ability to earn $109 million in only eight years.”

    That has to be a reference to Hillary Clinton… Obama didnt go to Yale… he went to Harvard!!

    Hey, it has been the ages old Harvard/Yale Rivalry all this time!! LOL

  101. Boxlock
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    “Or at least, you ought always to pause before hitting “Comment Post.” Good advice for everyone, come to think of it.”

    And for you also CF2K.
    That “slip” was not a slip at all. I am not consumed, as you and MonkeyHawk, with things like that, but in recognition of who I was addressing I knew he would make something out of it as a child does with their bottom.
    I am not the anal-retentive person MonkeyHawk and you are.

  102. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock” declares –

    “That “slip” was not a slip at all. I am not consumed, as you and MonkeyHawk, with things like that….

    I am not the anal-retentive person MonkeyHawk and you are.”

    No, you’re more anal-expressive; always talking out your ass.

  103. Boxlock
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.
    I have read that’s an indication of dimwitted intelligence by the way.

  104. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock” struts –

    “I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.”

    I’m not sure what “term” you’re referring to. But have at it! Review my posts “through ANY time period” and rub my nose in it.

    Hell, “open a Word file” and keep a dossier on me you can take to my employer!

  105. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    “BlueJay” (who admitted he was suffering from sleep deprivation at the time) wallowed in the mud last night with –

    “When Nathan says you are a pedophile? If I looked, would I find something to substantiate that?”

    No.

    But then “BlueJay” goes on to claim –

    “I fight mean but I fight clean”

    And they say irony is dead.

  106. Posted June 7, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    “I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.”

    OK dammit, that’s enough! MonkeyHawk, you are treading on MY territory now, according to boxlick.

    I thought he/she said I was the most vulgar and perverted poster here.

    You wanna arm wrestle me for that position?

    hehehehehehehhehehehehe!

    Boxlick. Anyone who disagrees is vulger and perverted.

  107. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl” responds to “Boxlock’s” whine…

    “I am confident MonkeyHawk that a review of the posts through ANY time period will show you use the term, and well as other vulgar comments and words, as much or more than any poster to come along.”

    …with a chuckle-maker:

    OK dammit, that’s enough! MonkeyHawk, you are treading on MY territory now, according to boxlick.

    I thought he/she said I was the most vulgar and perverted poster here.

    You wanna arm wrestle me for that position?

    Yeah, right, “ksfarmgrrl.” Like I’m gonna arm wrestle a working farm hand!

    Mama MonkeyHawk didn’t raise no fool.

    Let’s have a fried chicken showdown. Drumsticks at ten paces for the Most Vulgar and Perverted poster in the world!

  108. Posted June 7, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    heheheheheheheh MonkeyHawk!

    Yer on. And should we draw on drumsticks…

    Let’s use fried fish as the tie breaker!

  109. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl” is getting cocky (so to speak) with –

    heheheheheheheh MonkeyHawk!

    Yer on. And should we draw on drumsticks…

    Let’s use fried fish as the tie breaker!

    As if there’d be a tie.

    Hah!

    You do’wanna take on the Monkeyhawk’s catfish fry!

    It’s simple, it’s clean, it’s been known to turn vegans into carnivores.

    “It’s not like it’s an animal with a cute face,” she said.

    And then there’s my onion rings: the perfect food, containing all four of the basic food groups.

    Vegetable — The onions

    Dairy — I dip ‘em in melted ice cream

    Grains — My special cornmeal mix

    Meat — Lard

    ;-)

  110. WSClark
    Posted June 7, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Would that be onion flavored ice cream or chocolate?

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