The U.S. House voted 251-166 Wednesday to send proposed articles of impeachment against President Bush to the House Judiciary Committee, but don’t expect any action on it. The impeachment resolution was proposed by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio. He says Bush should be impeached for reasons that include manufacturing a false case for war in Iraq, botching the nation’s response to Hurricane Katrina and undermining efforts to address global warming, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported.
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Sometimes the measure of courage is saying the right thing against wrong things unsaid.
Kucinich might be a gadfly, but the high crimes and misdemeanors of George WMD Bush are now a matter of historic record.
Good for Dennis!
Don’t forget trying Bushco (all of them) for treason. Try, convict and hang the sumbitch. While we’re at it, impeach Sebelius too.
I agree with Monkeyhawk. A record of the high crimes and misdemeanors is moving forward at long last.
You never know, since these atrocities were committed in the name of Jesus Christ, HE might just expedite things.
“Greater things than these shall you do…”
The US congress believed that Sadam should be taken down. The UN also. Bush did not cause Katrina. There is no global warming and cooling. It’s something that we have no control over, just like the Kansas tornado’s that have happened recently. Kuncinich is a nut.
Dennis Kook-cinich.
Forget trying to impeach Bush, Cheney et al. They will already be out of office before the political wrangling over an impeachment is done. All impeachment does is remove them from office.
A solution with sharper teeth is needed here; they should all be escorted straight from office next Jan. 20th, flown on a CIA rendition plane to The Hague and handed over, along with all incriminating papers to the World Court for a war crimes trial. If the plane needs to gas up, they could always stop off in Syria for a few hours of fun water-boarding while the plane is being serviced.
I agree Jed.
Perhaps Kook-cinich should have put in Bush’s non-belief in UFOs as well. You know, the hate ‘little green men’ high crime and misdemeanor accusation.
george,
Way to go, the only poster with any sense.
Jed,
Have you been sniffing glue again this morning already. Your post indicates such.
Ah, anyone notice…no al-Qaida attacks in the U.S. since Bush took the offensive.
Oh comeone, BOX!! Don’t give Bush credit for no terrorist’s attacks…the Mexicans can come accross our borders anytime they feel like it…any terrorist can perpetrate an attack if they’re motivated enough. Homeland security is a joke, only instituted to give Americans a false sense of security.
bin Laden is still on the loose, and he’ll do it again when he’s ready to…he takes his time and counts on the fact that Americans have short attention spans…as soon as we think the hulabaloo is over, he’ll do it again. Bush has only fanned the fire, he hasn’t affectively removed any terrorist threat by attacking a country that was no threat in the first place…he did a lot to promote terrorism by invading Iraq, overthrowing the government, and giving Iran more power in the Middle East by doing away with it’s biggest threat.
We should have stayed in Afganistan and found bin Laden.
Why do you cons repeat the same old talking points all the time? All it does is show how truly ignorant you all are.
Mary,
I defer to your insight this morning, I have no desire to ‘fight’, simply too nice a morning inspite of the ah….. Global Warming.
But you be nice too, okay?
Your comment, “bin Laden is still on the loose, and he’ll do it again when he’s ready to…”, I am afraid that maybe true, and he will wait until we get a weak Commander in Chief that will want to sit down and have tea and talk after he does it again.
About your comment on the porous border, funny thing is if I were to say that I would be accused of being racist. Can’t win on a predominantly liberal blog.
Kucinich said if the Judicial Committee doesn’t act, in 30 days, he’ll come back with 60 articles of impeachment instead of 35.
The man means business.
It’s a waste of time and money…let’s just get through this and onto the next chapter. Bush will go down as the worst president in history..that should be punishment enough.
Kucinich has vowed to bring up articles of impeachment again in 30 days if no action is taken.
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CounterPunch is revealing that BushCo personally profited off the war, according to CIA whistle-blower:
SueAnn Arrigo is the source. She was a high-level CIA insider. Her title was Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI). She also established the Remote Viewing Defense protocols for the Pentagon in her capacity as Remote Viewing Advisor to the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). It earned her a two-star general rank in the military. She called it a “ploy” so the Pentagon could get more of her time and have her attend monthly Joint Chiefs of Staff meetings. Only high-level types are invited, and she was there from October 2003 to July 2004:
Among other things, 2.3 TRILLION dollars cannot be accounted for. The CIA had 40 people working on its payroll for Halliburton. Halliburton had access to secret CIA information.
QUOTE: First off, it’s pure myth that Dick Cheney stopped running the company. “He called in orders to the man I worked for almost every day and sometimes two or more times a day. He remained (Halliburton’s) functional head in all but name. No one….had the power to override his orders.” Second, Cheney never divested himself of Halliburton profits. “He merely hid how (he got them) through a series of shell companies.”
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Fraud by poor people eking out a living at the margins of society?
A HORRIBLE ABUSE OF TAXPAYER MONEY!
Fraud by rich people gaming the system?
Business as usual, nothing to see here . . .
Yeah, remote viewing…
I’m sure Kook-cinich would joyfully fund that program, so he could talk to space aliens.
I bet Haliburton has an active extraterrestrial program that Kook-cinich is just itching to get into.
“Your comment, “bin Laden is still on the loose, and he’ll do it again when he’s ready to…”, I am afraid that maybe true, and he will wait until we get a weak Commander in Chief that will want to sit down and have tea and talk after he does it again.”
Instead, we have a totally useless CiC who simply does absolutely nothing about OBL. Unless, of course, you count attempting to appease him by going after OBL’s enemies.
Mary,
In case you haven’t figured this out yet, I imagine you have, but certainly most of the objects of my shots haven’t, I exaggerate my positions….sometimes a lot. Especially those on homosexuality, and how brain dead the liberals/Dems are and so on. I know, some call that flaming, big deal because I find so many people on this blog are equally or usually more intolerant as what I have tried to act like of differing views. And what’s amusing is they react like puppets to input on their strings. Their hostility really shocked me when I first found ‘We Blog’ and posted my first or second post and got…I mean slammed when I simply expected discussion.
I am conservative, you bet and proud of it and I define it, but realize we need balance, and the libs go way over board in a way that I consider endangers the self-sufficient principles that made our country. We are feeling the result now, and I’m afraid will more in the future. We are moving increasingly into socialism and a big nanny government and away from individualism and self-reliance.
The truth is no one, and no government program or entitlement paid for by a true producer, can EVER make a person happy and living to their full capability that is able to participate in their own livelyhood. In fact it simply enables more dependency.
And there are evil people and evil governments that will bring us down if we let them or even give them half a chance. They want what we have or they want to make sure we don’t have it any longer.
Be sure to keep us updated on how Kook-cinich does with his impeachment quest.
Course, one thing about him is that he isn’t all talk and promises like the rest of the Democrats in Congress; who all say what they think their wacko lib base wants to hear, and then never follow up.
If I was a member of that group, I’d conclude that they are just using me and just didn’t take my feelings into consideration. Then I’d go protest something. Or write nasty stuff on a blog. Something.
Republicans eating their own:
The Republicans have been whipping themselves into extreme corners for 12 years… and all extremists destroy themselves…. witness the irrational rants we see on these blogs… db
“At least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president, and more than a dozen others declined to answer whether they back the Arizona senator.”
“Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who has been sharply critical of McCain on immigration, told The Hill in February, “I don’t like McCain. I don’t like him at all.””
SOURCE: thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-gang-of-14-wont-back-mccain-2008-06-11.html
Boxic,
“Jed,
Have you been sniffing glue again this morning already”
Me sniffing glue? You’re the local copy-and-paste king! Even if I had, it’d still healthier than that glass of smoking green Kool-Aid next to your keyboard. Cheers!
Boxic,
” “bin Laden is still on the loose, and he’ll do it again when he’s ready to…”, I am afraid that maybe true, and he will wait until we get a weak Commander in Chief that will want to sit down and have tea and talk after he does it again.”
As far as catching Bin Laden goes, Obama couldn’t possibly do worse than Mr. Geography Bush who managed to start a war against Bin Laden in the wrong country! The surprising thing is that Bush still has you 26%er apologists who’ll support him to the death regardless of the facts.
Go Dennis go.
Yeah it won’t go anywhere because of the recalcitrant cons. But impeachment WILL be in the Congressional record.
BlueJay
Posted June 12, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
Go Dennis go.
Yeah it won’t go anywhere because of the recalcitrant cons. But impeachment WILL be in the Congressional record.
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And that will do as much good as you burning a flag in your back yard BlueJay.
Jed,
I don’t support a lot of what Bush has done or does, but the cut and run appeasers in the Dem. party are even worse.
I think Bush influenced, even manipulated where he could to bring down Saddam, which wasn’t a bad thing in many ways, either for the Iraqis or the U.S.
Remember, Congress had access to the same intelligence and they as well as much of the rest of the world thought at the time that was the thing to do.
Were the Dems so week they couldn’t stop it. That’s not a question….that is obvious.
Felt like the right thing to do there “Auntie”. I haven’t had a flag since and won’t.
Cut and Run… oh another talking point cliche… and you blame “weak Democrats” for Bush’s Iraq adventure?? That is one of the weakest and farthest afield excuse I have heard so far….
So much for Republican leadership. It’s the Democrats fault that they did not reign in the majority Republicans. LOL.
I give you a terrorist fist jab!!!
Boxic,
Cut and run appeasers? What would you suggest after we found ourselves in the wrong country under false pretenses? Don’t you think we owe the people of Iraq an apology at the very least? The Iraq war turned out not to be an American war, but BushCo’s personal war in which he sacrificed 4,000+ American lives and hundreds of thousands Iraqi lives to try and prove an obviously harebrained ideology, and make some megabucks in the process.
200 American owned bases in Iraq.
All airspace to 30,000 ft.
Immunity for soldiers and contractors.
Military decisions without Iraqi consent.
Mafia style strong arm withholding 10’s of billions of Iraqi money hostage.
100 years in Iraq.
Come November.. let’s see how strong the will of the American people is to end Bush’s war, get America back on track of serving American needs and repairing Americans soiled reputation in the world.
Gonna be a LOT of footnotes after “bush” in the history books.
*-bush was not elected but was in fact selected by the Supreme Court
*- Osama bin Laden, who bush promised to get dead or alive, remained very much alive, well, and on the loose at the end of bush’s disastrous term.
*-”Weapons of mass destruction”, bush’s rationale for the occupation of Iraq, were never found.
etcetera.
bush will be hated and reviled for the rest of our lives.
I don’t laugh out loud much reading blogs, but this one caught me laughing out loud - and LOL, simultaneously.
SueAnn Arrigo is the source. She was a high-level CIA insider. Her title was Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI). She also established the Remote Viewing Defense protocols for the Pentagon in her capacity as Remote Viewing Advisor to the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS).
Google “Remote Viewing.” There’s the first laugh; it’s spying via “ESP.” Yup. Seriously, they tried it. It’s garbage, of course, but in the 70’s the CIA tried lots of stuff.
Then hunt down “Sue Ann Arrigo.” Google brings back lovely sites like “Prisonplanet.com.” Go ahead, check out prisonplanet.com. I dare ya to do so and not get a good laugh; unfortunately, these nuts are serious. It’s a mix of 911 “truthers,” UFO nuts, conspiracy kooks, and various deviant wierdos. Conspiracyplanet is the same sort of kooks.
Beautiful. Yea, there’s credibility, all right. That’s funny, I tell you what, I don’t care who you are.
Kucinich should fit right in. And it looks like Capn fits right in as well.
It looks like all the Conservatives have are:
1: “Kook-cinich”Exterrestrials (Red Hearings)
2: Flag burning (Personal Attacks)
3: Cut and Run (Appeal to consequence of a belief)
4: No Terrorist attacks (post Hoc)
These along with the usual questionable cause
But you are right. It won’t go anywhere. It doesn’t have to go anywhere. Just like the improper use of a cigar didn’t go anywhere. The conservatives are getting a taste of their own medicine and soon they won’t be able to hide behind the soldiers anymore. Hence all of the crying and pathetic fallacies.
Bush: Criticism of US-Iraqi Compact is “Noise”
President Bush is dismissing opposition to a proposed agreement on keeping US troops in Iraq. Criticism has mounted from Iraqi and US lawmakers as details have emerged over the past week. The Bush administration is seeking to permanently keep more than fifty military bases in Iraq. It’s also insisting on continuing military campaigns without consultation with the Iraqi government and immunity for American soldiers and contractors. Speaking in Germany Wednesday, President Bush called criticism from Iraqi and US lawmakers “noise in their system and our system.” Bush said the terms have been misunderstood and that he’s confident a deal will be reached.
President Bush: “And one of the lessons of Iraq is, is that in order for, you know, a democracy development or in order for an economy to develop, there has to be a measure of security, which is now happening. So I think we’ll get the agreement done.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/12/headlines
McCain: Length of US Occupation of Iraq “Not Important”
Meanwhile, Republican presidential candidate John McCain is also dismissing criticism of plans for a long-term occupation of Iraq. Speaking on NBC’s Today Show Wednesday, McCain was asked when he thinks US troops will return from Iraq. McCain replied, “That’s not too important. What’s important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea, Americans are in Japan, American troops are in Germany. That’s all fine.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/12/headlines
SSDD
Kucinich Vows to Press Bush Impeachment
On Capitol Hill, Democratic Congressmember Dennis Kucinich is vowing to continue his impeachment effort against President Bush despite attempts to bury it in committee. On Wednesday, Congress members voted to send Kucinich’s bill to the House Judiciary Committee, where it’s unlikely to be considered before Bush leaves office. Kucinich’s thirty-five articles of impeachment against President Bush accuse him of war crimes and deceiving the public in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. Kucinich also lists the imprisonment of foreign nationals and US citizens without charge in the so-called “war on terror”; Bush’s policies on global warming, voting rights, Medicare; and the response to Hurricane Katrina.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/12/headlines
Iraqis: US Initially Demanded Control of 200 Military Bases in Iraq
Iraqi lawmakers continue to speak out over what they call unfair demands in talks with the Bush administration over a long-term compact with the United States. US officials have been silent on the negotiations. But Iraqis have leaked details of the US demands, which include immunity for American troops and contractors, a free hand to conduct military operations without Iraqi approval, control of Iraqi airspace, and maintaining fifty-eight permanent military bases in Iraq. On Tuesday, Democracy Now! spoke to visiting Iraqi lawmakers here in New York. Iraqi parliament member Khalaf Al-Ulayyan criticized the US proposals.
Iraqi parliament member Khalaf Al-Ulayyan: “I believe the parliament will not ratify the treaty in its current form, because it harms Iraqi sovereignty. Based on the details that have been leaked to the media, it seems that the deal will make Iraq not just an occupied country but an actual part of the US.”
Iraqi officials interviewed by the Washington Post say the US initially demanded control of more than 200 military bases. US officials also demanded the right to refuel the planes while in flight, stoking fears the US would use Iraq as a staging ground for an attack on Iran. The Independent of London reported last week the US is leveraging tens of billions of dollars in seized Iraqi assets to push through its demands. The Bush administration has angered Iraqi officials by refusing to lift support for Iraq’s UN designation as a threat to international security. The designation was imposed following Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and has been used to impose sanctions and restrict Iraq’s economy.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/11/headlines
“Cut and run appeasers? What would you suggest after we found ourselves in the wrong country under false pretenses? Don’t you think we owe the people of Iraq an apology at the very least?”
Heck No! The people of Iraq are very glad we got rid of Saddam, except for a few in his Baath party.
I was a heavy handed dictator who murdered his country’s people and made threating gestures toward others.
Hee hee heeee
And the poodle does a special dance for Mary.
Poodle dancing so early in the morning?
Jed, I think you are calling the tunes for the next poodle square…
…and how did the special performance of the Poodle RiverDance go at the BOE? I never read any reviews.
I have a vision of poodles, all in a row, dancing like Irish poodles.
I wonder if they wear green poodle skirts?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehe…..
Yeah the Iraqi’s are real glad we are there…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm
http://www.news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=78921
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/05/new-survey-shows-iraqis-want-the-troops-to-leave/
America’s decline in the eyes of it’s friends will have an everlasting, crippling effect with future dealings. Before Iraq 2 the concept of might, power and good intentions held much positive sway. The image now is one of “The emperor has no clothes”. The shining light of America in which the world basked has been extinguished and will never shine again. I read this somewhere, a UK newspaper I think. I’m inclinded to think it is right.
and will never shine again.
I agree, except for the part I extracted.
SURSUM: If memory serves, we aren’t supposed to care about what the rest of the world thinks. They are either “with us or against us” something like that.
I’m surprised our conservative friends haven’t corrected your supposedly “weak thinking” yet. They must be busy elsewhere.
now bush is remorseful about “bring it on”, “dead or alive”, . funny now that scotty mc clellen is going to sing like a good little school girl.
Bush should be indicted for war crimes. That can be done much quicker and bring him to justice he so richly deserves.
Bush should be impeached so he can’t pardon any of his fellow cronies for the crimes they committed. Then take him and his fellow criminals to be tried for war crimes. The Constitution must be upheld and Bush must be impeached or else that aged parchment really means little.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink
…and how did the special performance of the Poodle RiverDance go at the BOE? I never read any reviews.
I have a vision of poodles, all in a row, dancing like Irish poodles.
I wonder if they wear green poodle skirts?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehe…..
Wow, Butch! That excites you? You is into some kinky stuff!
Happy trails
Maggot when did an impeachment stop a president from pardoning his friends?
Back on track:
Articles of impeachment? You godda be kidding!
Thank God the senate doesn’t have anything more important to do.
Just goes to show there stupid Democrats, too. There for a minute, I thought Republicans were trying to corner the “Stupid” market.
Bluejay after the final recount by the MSM in Florida - Bush won the popular vote by 512 votes. You can have your own warped beliefs but you can’t make your own facts.
Nano I have to agree with both sides of your argument. Some action on the fuel crisis would be nice.
Some folks don’t like Prison Planet.com because it’s REAL news and verifiable. I like how you threw out the UFO people in the mix, quite silly. But you forgot to add Bigfoot, El Chupacabra, 2012ers and Crop Circle people. The truth will come out, no matter how much disinfo and lawyering you attempt.
Damned right, we’re serious. VERY serious.
Lefty folks argue that it’s BIG Oil’s greed that’s causing the oil prices. Righty says that it’s the damned hippy tree huggers. How about a real reason? What if the dollar being killed on purpose in order to destroy our economy enough to have us beg for any relief? What if that relief that is offered is a North American Union that has a “stable” and “secure” monetary system on the same level as the Peso? If America doesn’t get a clue, it will get much, much worse. The Wall Street journal has already estimated $200 barrels by the end of July. When we hit Iran, see it jump to $300.
Problem-Reaction-Solution.
They create the problem, we react and walah! they have a handy solution.
Sorry, just another Prison-Planet, Infowars conspiracy nut.
The folks that create the problems. King Makers!
Pleefer
Drill here, drill now, pay less.
Lets take our economy back.
Is PrisonPlanet.com put together by the same people that used to publish the old SPOTLIGHT paper?
no, it’s Alex Jones’ news site.
“Maggot when did an impeachment stop a president from pardoning his friends?”
True, I suppose I should have said an impeachment would prevent Bush from being pardoned.
Can the Shrub pardon himself?
Because the “left” and “right” work towards the same goals, he won’t need to pardon himself. Obama will be proud too. Or McCain.
“gster” asks the pertinent question –
“Can the Shrub pardon himself?”
From the bowels of my memory, I think he could.
Seems like there was some kind of spin back when Dick (appropriately named, btw) Nixon resigned. The Republic Party apologists were saying stuff like, “At least he resigned with a modicum of honor; he did not issue a presidential pardon to himself as his last act in office.”
Wow. You gotta go back to Nixon to find the last act of integrity by a Republic Party president! Who’d a thought? Shoulda known.
MH- That’s why I posed the question; I thought I remembered the same Nixon scenario.
Boxlock
Posted June 12, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink
‘And there are evil people and evil governments that will bring us down if we let them or even give them half a chance. They want what we have or they want to make sure we don’t have it any longer.’
I agree there are evil people in the world that wish us harm and I’m sure Iran is at the top of the list. But why was Iraqi’s Maliki in Iran last week to assure the Iran president of Iran’s safety even though the US will have bases in Iraq?
If Maliki is so concerned about Iran’s (one of our sworn enemies according to George W. Bush) safety, then why is the US even in Iraq to help them?
You are so upset about Obama wanting to sit down and having tea with our enemies but yet Bush allows Maliki to go in person to Iran and assure them of their safety. Isn’t that like being knifed in our back? I don’t trust the Iraqi government - I think they are playing us for fools.
gster, MH - if memory serves Nixon arranged for Ford to pardon him.
Ben- I don’t recall Nixon overtly making that arrangement, but I wouldn’t bet against youre conclusion.
pleefer: There will never be a North American Union. The ubercapitalist and Mexico would love it, but the Canadians would never stand for it. Besides nationalistic fervor,they think they’re tied to a corpse now because of NAFTA. You otta read some of their online newspapers, a real eye opener. They have hugely swelled their border security budget again and for the first time are arming their border/customs officers but it’s gonna take a while. The guards have to be trained how to shoot first, and some are refusing to be armed. As a society, they don’t do handguns lightly.
gster,
Can Shrub pardon himself?
If his lawyers find a way to do it, you can bet on it, but such a pardon would only extend to US courts. That’s why I suggested the World Court. It would also be a fair hearing in the rest of the world, you know, the people we’re going to have to find a way to live with after this debacle.
gster, MH - if memory serves Nixon arranged for Ford to pardon him.
There is exactly ZERO evidence of same. Both Ford and Nixon denied there being any sort of arrangement, either directly or as any sort of “understanding.” Neither is there any contemporaneous evidence, of any sort, for same. Further, those who knew Ford well (he’d been in Congress for years) never alleged such an arrangement at the time.
Ben - again, I thought you had some class. You should know better to allege such an arrangement without evidence of same. Is it so important for you to fit in with the moonbats?
Boxic,
“Heck No! The people of Iraq are very glad we got rid of Saddam, except for a few in his Baath party.”
And that of course is why better than three out of four Iraqis want us the hell out of their country. Many of them now see us as less than an improvement over Saddam. Remember Abu Graib? They certainly do!
GMC - maybe not covertly but the “coincidence” sure was convenient. By the way - I happen to have agreed with the pardon. We needed to move on.
“bth” advises –
“…Nixon arranged for Ford to pardon him.”
Well, yeah. Of course he did.
But that particular smoking gun has never been found. And Nixon and Ford are dead and there probably wasn’t any way to document it.
Ford took office in August 1974 and the Nixon pardon came out as a press release in what? November?
At least there was a modicum of discretion to the Nixon pardon progress. The ink on Shrub’s pardon of himself will hardly be dry when he and Laura hop on Air Force One for one last flight and he hijacks it to Paraguay.
I can remember how mad I was that Nixon was pardoned without allocuting; I still think that was wrong! The public had a right to know the facts, and were denied the same for political reasons (IMHO).
Jed if you can see the tens of thousand graves that have been uncovered where kids as young as 2 were lined up and shot before being buried in a mass grave then I doubt that your ridiculous statement about the wrong doing by a few rogue soldiers would bother them much.
Saddam was a very evil man who is now gone. They are thankful for that. They also know they will be Iran’s neighbor forever so of course will be making nice with the madman next door.
Logic man use some.
The groundwork for the “NAU” was laid in Crawford Texas in 2005. It matters not what “the people” want, it’s the same there as here. We The People are an afterthought. Surely you remember this.
I refuse to give up. we have the power to put a stop to this nonsense. Together we can do it = seperated not so much.
Okie,
The world is chock full of evil dictators, many of whom we ourselves installed. Are you proposing we invent WMD’s for all of them, so we can go in and offer their people our Iraqi solution?
By the way, numbers are hard to come by, but the best evidence I’ve seen is that in five years, we’ve now more than topped Saddam’s old record for slaughter in Iraq by a single regime. Guess what? In Iraq we’re now the evil dictator!
Jed - and don’t forget that the previous evil dictator in Iraq was a US ally.
Pleefer:I thought you were referring to a political union. Not much of what I read isn’t already pretty well in place and been so for decades, especially with the northern third of the co-signers. It’s a rehash. Political union or anything that would infringe on sovereignty would be turned down flat by all sides. We are still the people and so are the other 2 guys.
sursum, I’m not so sure. Just wait until the economy really tanks, we’ll be begging for any “cure” at that point. Things will be getting horrible here in the not-so-distant future.
bth and your statement was usefull and needed to be made because???
because it was a statement of fact.
Good point Ben. I thought the elephants were supposed to be the ones with the long memories. I remember a picture of good ol Rummy shaking hands with Saddham in December of 1983. It looks like the GOP foreign policy made a mistake in the 1980s. They trusted the Evil man Saddham Hussein.
That begs the question about whether the GOP is making a foreign policy mistake today.
OKOB. That is why his statement was useful and needed.
Nano = homophobic bass turd
Button up asshole. Your bigotry is showing.
And how DID the poodle dance go at the BOE?
Pleefer: About “horrible”, been there, done that. ‘76, 1812, 1918, 1929, the dirty 30’s, 1941, McCarthyism, 9/11 and the World Series going north of the border in the early 90’s. Still here though. Help may be coming because the competition bureau of Canada to-day laid charges against 4 oil companies and their retailers for conspiring to fix pricing and manipulate the free market. 3 executive and one retailer so far have admitted guilt, facing fines in the millions. Love it! The investigation took 2.5 years to complete and lay the first price fixing charges by Ottawa in 50 years. The oil industry was quick to put out a press release claiming they knew nothing of it. Yeah right. Trolling newpapers never ceases to amaze me.
And Dennis has seen UFOs too!
How odd!
Ok, why cant we Impeach Bush? We have put others on trial for War Crimes way after the War was over. Example to look at also. A “8 year Governor” is out on term limits. They decide to “Blow Away” some citizens. They cannot be Impeached because they are leaving anyway. They are allowed because they will be leaving at the end of the second 4 year term? What kind of B.S. is that?? Ask the dead soldiers what they feel. Thats right, they are “Hearsay” because they are dead. How many more will die before Nov and the Inaguration in January because Congress lacks the balls to remove his “Terroristic Ass”??? He can and should be Impeached!!! Save a Soldier, impeach his “ASS”!!!! We can never schedule reality! Impeach stupidity!! Herbert West III, Candidate for Sheriff, Miami County Kansas, Nov 2008. west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com http://www.kansas.com
Tells me Boxlock is a child playing in an adult world. Children haven’t yet learned how to interact appropriately. Maybe s/he will gain maturity as s/he ages?? You gotta give those kids a chance! Perhaps there isn’t an adult to model? Or, maybe social skills haven’t developed? Silly to be disrespectful of differences, but it takes some confidence in yourself to be accepting of others. As Boxlock grows into adulthood s/he may gain some confidence.
Mr Box?
You happen to be speaking ill of a friend of mine.
“Nano” is obviously a poster for some time to this forum. But lacking the courage to tell us just what nic he used to post under.
If you have problems with kfg. I’ll accomodate ya.
And how DID the poodle dance go at the BOE?
Boxlicker’s mom wouldn’t let him take the car Monday night…he was grounded for playing with his poodle.
Hey BlueJay,
I’m not looking for a fight guy, tonight or anytime, honest!
She started on me above without me saying anything I can think of that would have initiated it. Her negative comments, the asinine poodle comments, weren’t even referenced to any earlier posts today.
If she can be civil I will be also. She threw the mud, I just caught it, picked up some of my own and threw back.
I’ll stop if she agrees.
See BlueJay, idiots all!
Boxlick, everyone here knows your word doesn’t mean poodle poop.
You gave me your word once and broke it.
Now go to bed before mommy grounds you again.
Jay, those who show up under new nics must want a new start. I think they’ll probably show themselves to be exactly who they were under the previous nic. But maybe they chose a new nic so they could turn over a new leaf? Maybe there was something in their past they would rather not face or be responsible for?
And why does it matter? Some posters you respect. Some posters you learn from, some are witty and entertaining on top of being someone you like to “read.” Each one shows who they really are (and were) by what they say, how they choose to conduct themselves.
The board isn’t what is “used to be.” Seldom does anything remain the same — either grows and changes or stagnates and changes. I think we have to scroll over some, laugh at others, enjoy and learn from a few. Always be open to new information and sort through the bullshit.
Hardly the farmgrrls fault if you find yourself in her remarks there boxy.
And please don’t plead with me about “civil”. It is people like you who use very UN civil civil government to exercise your bigotry. My friend kfg lives with the results of that every day. If she gets in your face here, it is only getting even with you for getting in her face through legislation of your prejudice.
WS,
Nano posted June 12, 2008 at 12:05 pm, quoting kfg
“ksfarmgrrl
Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink
…and how did the special performance of the Poodle RiverDance go at the BOE? I never read any reviews.
I have a vision of poodles, all in a row, dancing like Irish poodles.
I wonder if they wear green poodle skirts?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehe…..
Wow, Butch! That excites you? You is into some kinky stuff!”
I simply agreed that the name was accurate after her flaming me. Seems to me you cowards all love to dish it out but get just REAL upset if someone comes back at you, well tough crap.
Go look at her posts (or whatever she thinks she is) and tell me I don’t have a right to throw it right back. I do, and I will when I like.
By the way lindainks55, I never said I couldn’t accept someones sexual preference, even if it’s repulsive, I said they don’t have the right to change the timeless meaning of marriage for all of society just because they want to be accepted. Society doesn’t have to accept that behavior.
And won’t!
OH, so now it’s not not fair I petition the government for the things I believe in but it is for someone else with an opposing view. You’d make me laugh except that is so ridiculous.
Think about what you are saying…only positions you or she wants enacted are worthy of argument, opposing ones are out of order. Is that it, right.
Boxlicker,
Thanks for evincing what I said about your lack of self control. And class.
I bet your grandchildren are proud of your behavior.
One ‘not’ not two above.
Dance poodle dance!
It will amuse me to watch you and yours go extinct Boxlock.
The fun part is, you don’t know you are already extinct.
“Seems to me you cowards all love to dish it out but get just REAL upset if someone comes back at you, well tough crap.”
Cowards?
Yeah, right.
I can take it and I can dish it out twofold. The most criticism I get here is BECAUSE I dish it out twice as hard as I take it.
Damn.
Are you sure that you aren’t really McCluer, Boxlock?
By the way Boxlicker…Obama is leading McBush by 12 points nationwide and the Hillary supporters have yet to show up (I think they eventually will).
Also, the Hispanic vote that Repubes like yourself have counted on are now moving toward Obama as well.
It’s hard for a poodle to dance underneath the rubble of a landslide.
Happened again. Listening to tunes and suddenly, the song is dead on. If your ears are ringing, yup, it’s about you.
—————-
GET OVER IT - Eagles
I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ “Don’t blame me”
They point their crooked little
fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat
Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it
You say you haven’t been the same since
you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ‘em tonight
You don’t want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing
Get over it
Get over it
If you don’t want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, Get over it
It’s like going to confession
every time I hear you speak
You’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak
You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child
and kick its little ass
Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it
Get over it
Get over it
It’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quit
Get over it, get over it
————
All time great lyric; “I’d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass”… Chuckle.
Boxlock — I am NOT going to argue your bull shit tonite… BUT — I will just say this: Inside your home… Inside your Chuch… You can be as bigoted as your little ol’ heart desires… In the public arena… the market place… the “Society” in which we all live as citizens… You dont have that right of bigotry… We are all EQUAL…
Some day, you will learn that.. and that truth will set you Free!!
Look how all the jackals are frothing at the mouth now, lets me know I’ve done my job.
Nightie night jackals.
PS:
“It will amuse me to watch you and yours go extinct Boxlock.”
Dream on Mr. Nobody, man with no influence.
WS, I’ve got you pictured as someone so fat you can’t get off the couch, and I don’t take anything you say as worth the calories you spent to type them.
As I look back up the page I am so tickled, just look what I have done…..who’s dancing now.
The End!
Yep! If not a child, someone very childish!
Boxlock just diefined him/herself as an intentionally disruptive TROLL poster!! Ya just cant make this stuff up!!
Lyrics fight outie?
John Lennon. “Imagine”.
Celtics up by three. Yah!
“Imagine”. Always thought that was sort of a woosy song JR.
I win that round.
Nominate another song.
CF2K — Lets just work at getting the Articles of Impeachment OUT of committee… That could prove difficult, if my email sources today are right… You got any contacts left in the House???
CF–Any chance you’ll make it to Kansas City?
Inquiring minds like me and CodeNameD want to know . . .
IMO, “Imagine” is one of the most powerful songs ever written and recorded… the message is ageless and timeless!!
outlander,
Your attempt to be pithy, as usual, comes off as, well, forced.
But the decision to cite Eagles lyrics maybe wasn’t the best one, as Don Henley pretty had you Wingnuts nailed almost two decades ago. The year was 1989…
THE END OF THE INNOCENCE
Remember when the days were long
And rolled beneath a deep blue sky
Didn’t have a care in the world
With mommy and daddy standin’ by
But “happily ever after” fails
And we’ve been posisoned by thse fairy tales
The lawyers dwell on small details
Since daddy had to fly
But I know a place where we can go
That’s still untouched by men
We’ll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
You can lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence
O’ beautiful, for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
They’re beating plowshares into swords
For this tired old man that we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail
And we’ve been poisoned by thse fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all the details
Since daddy had to lie
But I know a place where we can go
And wash away this sin
We’ll sit and watch the clouds toll by
And the tall grass waze in the wind
Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair spill all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence
Who knows how long this will last
Now we’ve come so far, so fast
But, somewhere back there in the dust
That same small town in each of us
I need to remember this
So baby give me just one kiss
And let me take a long last look
Before we say goodbye
Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence
http://www.lyricsdomain.com/4/don_henley/the_end_of_the_innocence.html
Hopefully, this is the year that the United States of America finally leaves behind the last forty years of Nixonian Republicanism. Because I don’t think that we, or the world, can handle much more permanent war and reality denial.
P.S. Wingnuts: the song is about REAGAN.
“WS, I’ve got you pictured as someone so fat you can’t get off the couch”
Wrong, bonehead, I’m 5′10″ and 195 pounds - 34″ waist - is that okay with you?
Good giddling Gosh! Does it have to rain two inches in 90 minutes twice a week these days?
My sump pump is going to blow a gasket . . .
I’ve met you outlander.
Not much of anything in the “ass kicking” way about you.
John Lennon beats the Eagles any day of the week.
And of course, Godless. The flower child anthem.
Kumbaya Chas. Good night.
“The flower child anthem.”
Sounds good to me, what part of “Imagine” do you have a problem with?
Actually, I find it to be the single greatest rock song of all time.
Cap’N,
Sadly, no: got me a date with the Wichita Mountains in OK.
You and CodeNameD go up and get yourselves some of that fancy book learnin’ now, you hear?
Union Maid (melody “Redbird,” original lyrics Woody Guthrie, updated lyrics CapnAmerica)
There once was a union maid who never was afraid
Of goons & ginks & company finks & deputy sheriffs who made the raids
She went to the union hall when a meeting it was called
And when the company boys came round she always stood her ground.
Chorus–
Oh, you can’t scare me I’m sticking to the union
I’m sticking to the union I’m sticking to the union
No, you can’t scare me I’m sticking to the union
I’m sticking to the union Till the day I die.
Now Mr. Bush has said that he wanted the bad guys dead
So it’s off to war, don’t ask what for, remember that ‘dead is better than red.’
Our boys were sent to fight, no matter wrong or right,
To fight and die and maim and kill and we get sent the bill.
Chorus
Our jobs have been outsourced our overtime is forced
Our healthcare plans don’t meet demands and Mr. Bush says ‘stay the course.’
‘Spend more for war for sure’ But none for the working poor.
If it’s work you want for money you lack All the jobs are in Iraq.
Chorus
Celtics win- Celtics win!
———-
And you are right JR. I’m very easy to get along with. Good night.
Peace. Out.
CF–
10-4, good buddy.
Catch ya on the flip-flop.
WSClark
Posted June 12, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
“WS, I’ve got you pictured as someone so fat you can’t get off the couch”
Wrong, bonehead, I’m 5?10? and 195 pounds - 34? waist - is that okay with you?
———————-
you measure at the belly button, not underneath that roll of fat Clark.
Bawhaha, I see ol’ DA is still at it.
“you measure at the belly button, not underneath that roll of fat Clark”
Well, McCluer, from the descriptions that I have heard of you, you are nothing more than a fat, unkempt old man that is dire need of a bath, a barber and a dental hygienist.
I would say that you have little room to criticize anyone’s appearance.
“Bawhaha, I see ol’ DA is still at it.”
I see you have made bail - good on you GoofNut.
KSGolfnut,
Well, KSGolfnut, still strong with your “decision” to be a heterosexual, or has the recent warm weather, and the occasional dude walking around shirtless, begun to chip away at your resolve?
You can be sure, KSGolfnut, that you have the continued support of everyone on the WeBlog as you work to stand strong in your “decision” to be heterosexual.
From what you hear, eh Clark?
Well, if it’s from ‘what you hear’ then it must be true right?
Of course Clark, NO ONE on this blog has ever seen you, now have they?
I still say you are that 400 pounder who woofs down burgers that has a goatee. His description fits you perfectly.
Anybody remember that inspired scene in “Caddyshack” where the bitter old guy and Bill Murray are out in a torrental rain storm.
“I’m having the game of my LIFE!” croaks the old geezer right before the lightning bolt fries him like bacon.
I visualize GolfNut as that guy.
MOST descriptive of the fundy right is the campy lyrics from “They’re Coming to Take Me Away!”
Best poltically related song? “Land of Confusion” Phil Collins.
WHY hasn’t someone done a redo re bush?
ACTUALLY, Impeachment might not be out of the question for bush. He is poison to the Republicans. I could see enough of them voting for impeachment short of removal from office. Sort of a way as they fall into exile of pleading “Ok! We were wrong! But it was his fault!”
Dennis? Get a bugler to the House floor and have him play “Deguello”.
I know, Clark, Reggie is fun to toy with, kinda like seeing how many times the neighbor’s stupid dog will chase the slobbery tennis ball into the nettles and brambles.
But please, fight the urge to keep throwing . . . it’s all he’s got to look forward to.
James “Regular” is not fat. He does look like someone who does not get out a whole lot. Kinda like Howard Hughes toward the end.
And look what crawled from the grave. The Goofnut.
I’ve seen him too. Though I chose not to meet him.
I stand by my original description. The love child of Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin.
“From what you hear, eh Clark?”
From reliable sources such as Mr. Davis who had to receive oxygen after smelling your breath and body oder.
Ah the Libs, when they can’t discuss, they insult and harass.
And they wonder why the got run off the blog with the Fisters in the first place.
“But please, fight the urge to keep throwing”
Ah, shit, Capn, it’s the only fun I have had tonight, what with tornado warnings and such, beating up on McCluer is the most fun I have had all night.
Couldn’t do much during the storms, Boss, I had to watch out for the grandcritters and animals, so this is the only-est fun I have had all night.
Don’t take away my fun quotient!!!
“Ah the Libs, when they can’t discuss, they insult and harass.”
Sounds like your MO, McCluer.
“who woofs down burgers that has a goatee”
Let the record show that I have never eaten a burger that had a goatee.
Onions and tomatoes - yes.
Goatees - no.
You want to beat me up Clark? Come on over, you know where I live.
You might be surprised when you go home with your ass in a sling.
Come on over, if not you are a coward.
In fact, that’s your new name, Coward Clark or is it Chicken Clark?
This weather . . . sheesh . . . we’re getting ANOTHER downpour.
Okay, at least it blew over.
According to a dude’s weather station in Eastborough (see weatherunderground.com–watch out for spyware though), it was raining at the rate of 4.5 inches an hour.
Whatever happened to a gentle shower? I’m retiring to Hawaii, or Arizona.
You gotta watch out for Regular, WSC.
The man is such a legend in his own mind, even he can’t live up to his past.
Hey, I thought Regular was going to sue us if we didn’t stop talking about meeting up with him, what he called “stalking.”
Now he can’t stop issuing challenges to come over.
Consistency ain’t his forte.
“You want to beat me up Clark? Come on over, you know where I live.”
And when did I suggest that I was going to beat you up, McCluer?
Off your meds again, old man?
Boxic,
I’ve met Farm Gal and she’s got you beat hands down as a decent human being. I’ve also eaten her fried chicken and potato salad, and there isn’t better around, but I imagine you’ve done yourself out of ever getting to taste it. Your remarks regarding her femininity were crude and uncalled-for, and tell us considerably more about you and your imitation religion than about her. Take your bigotry elsewhere.
“I’m retiring to Hawaii, or Arizona.”
Drought in Western Kansas - floods in Eastern Kansas.
Can’t we just get an AVERAGE?
outlander is correct for once in celebrating the Celtic win… It was something to see.
“Come on over, if not you are a coward.
“In fact, that’s your new name, Coward Clark or is it Chicken Clark?”
James making stuff up? Never!
Better be careful, Clark, James might trip you up with his cane. If these type of exchanges weren’t so utterly ridiculous, they would be profoundly funny…! I vote for the latter.
“I still say you are that 400 pounder who woofs down burgers that has a goatee. His description fits you perfectly.”
Nawwwww that sounds more like Herb West, or maybe Max or GolfBalls… LOL
Celtics showed tonite what they are made of… What a game!!! GOOOO Boston!!!
WS posts, Wrong, bonehead, “I’m 5?10? and 195 pounds - 34? waist - is that okay with you?”
Maybe you were in high school, did you ever graduate?
Sorry, I left out one word fat ‘headed’.
Regular posts, “you measure at the belly button, not underneath that roll of fat Clark.”
Exactly Regular, guys like WS even lie to themselves. They are wonderful only in their own minds.
someone here said boxlick / regular said they met jimmy stated he talked about himself a lot (big surprise) had a nasty beard and smelled bad — must be from all that wrestling