The legal challenge of a 2004 in-state tuition law reached the finish line Thursday, as the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case. The law has been allowing about 200 eligible kids of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at Kansas’ public colleges and universities — and better their lives and the state’s economy in the process. The rejections at the federal district court and appellate levels were based on the plaintiffs’ lack of “standing” to sue, so no court has yet passed judgment on the law itself. But it’s good to know this case has run its course.
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Colleges and universities are some of Kansas’ greatest industries. We should be encouraging all young people who want to and can afford it to come to Kansas for their education. And I still think the higher out-of-state tuition charges should be eliminated. Kansas bred students can be given priorities with application benefits if necessary.
Among the best things we can do is to educate foreign students in the Kansas culture and traditions in our great colleges and universities.
we want all people to go collage but it is sad that our own children cant go when as parents cant aford to pay for them to go. so lets more people illegal
peopel that are not sapposed to be here go to our schools and then they can get the good jobs send more money home to there familys.when our own kids go to work for walmart and cant aford to buy there first home.and yes i am mad becuase that happened to my kids i told them to get good grades and you will go to collage but no we could not do it becuase we made a little to much but at the same time we could not afford to pay for the collage so yes lets make it cheap to let others get into school
I fail to see how granting in-state tuition to the children of illegal aliens (only to those who graduate from the state school system) prevents “our own children” from attending college. It’s too bad Prizm couldn’t afford an education.
Hmmmm,
The issue is that Kansas public colleges and universities ARE NOT self supporting, the tax payer makes up the difference. So we are forced to educate people who are here illegally up to grade 12, make all kinds of special considerations for them, AND we are obligated to continue their education at the college level, when many in fact can’t afford to send our own kids to college?
PURE UNADULTERATED LIBERAL BULL CRAP!
I want to see the media camped out at the wal-mart at pawnnee and broadway, and approach every hispanic person they see paying with a vision card, and put them on the spot and ask them why they are here looting our treasury. I want to see them in the ER’s doing the same thing.
Illegal immigration is one of the most clever things ever thought of. It is the ability to seize land and resources from the US without a shot being fired. This is an occupation with no different results than if it were obtained through arms! It’s loss of territory through a saturation of the population of children who will be able to influence elections one day. In plain english, we are giving this country away, and are too politically correct to stand up and do something about it.
The people who are really getting screwed are the ones with 40-50k/year incomes. The poor get it handed to them in the event they can spawn an offspring capable of furthering their educations.
The key to ending this dilema is not for new laws, and more government power. Let’s just start enforcing the ones on the books. Their should be a reward for reporting an illegal, and they should be forced to do jail time in work camps for entering illegally. Let’s make it profitable to arrest and sentence illegal immigrants.
“and approach every hispanic person they see paying with a vision card, and put them on the spot and ask them why they are here looting our treasury.”
So Hispanic people can’t be citizens?
Damn, that is news to millions of perfectly legal Hispanic-Americans.
And, of course, to get a Vision Card, you must first have proof of American citizenship.
When you’re on a hate-filled rampage why allow reason or truth to interfere?
/sarcasm
This from the Kansas SRS Website:
Do I have to be a U.S. citizen to apply?
WSClark
Posted June 29, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
And, of course, to get a Vision Card, you must first have proof of American citizenship.
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To be eligible for Food Assistance, persons or the persons’ household members must be United States citizens or meet other non-citizen qualifications. Many non-citizens may be eligible for assistance, so please apply. SRS is not required to report to Immigration and Naturalization Services.
http://www.srskansas.org/ISD/ees/food_stamps.htm#howmuchhelp
Welcome Liberals to the world of truth. Although painful, reality as it is will open your eyes to your self-made blindness.
lindainks55
Posted June 29, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink
When you’re on a hate-filled rampage why allow reason or truth to interfere?
/sarcasm
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WSClark
Posted June 29, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
And, of course, to get a Vision Card, you must first have proof of American citizenship
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Why are liberals so easily fooled by the establishment?
When we moved to Kansas in 1986 our son stayed with his grandmother to finish his freshman year in college. He then moved to Kansas and applied at Butler. Because he hadn’t lived here the requred time he was charged out of state tuition eventhough we were homeowners in Kansas and residents.
I know why people get so angry with the liberals running the gov.
It is good that when you tried to circumvent the law by saying your son had been a resident when he hadn’t, someone knew he hadn’t met the qualifications for in-state tuition. Maybe you had been a Kansas resident long enough to qualify for in-state tuition but your son had not. I can’t imagine being so proud of trying to break the law that you would post it to a public blog.
“I know why people get so angry with the liberals running the gov.”
Which “liberal” was responsible for the residency requirement at Butler, Okie-Dope?
Regular, the key words in your cut and paste are: “food assistance,” and “may.”
lindainks55
Posted June 29, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
It is good that when you tried to circumvent the law by saying your son had been a resident when he hadn’t, someone knew he hadn’t met the qualifications for in-state tuition.
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Linda what part of my post led you to make the leap you did about my son trying to pay instate tuition?
Libs do that alot also and then get defensive when it is pointed out. My point is that we, his parents were residents of Kansas. Had we been illegals he could have paid instate tuition.
WS as usual you sound as if you are hitting the bottle. Totally illogical post like most of yours are.
“Welcome Liberals to the world of truth.”
Oh bullshit, McCluer. As usual, you try to make an issue where there is none. And, as usual, to go for the ad hominim while complaining about attacks on you.
The fact of the matter is that you have to be LEGAL to get food stamps or assistance.
Christ.
No Linda the key words are “SRS is not required to report to Immigration and Naturalization Services.”
The fact of the matter is that you have to be LEGAL to get food stamps or assistance.
Christ.
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WS what proof of this statement do you have? Obviously the SRS site states differently.
Did I ruffle your feathers WS. Well pardon me. That was not my intent. I just get very tired of you stating your opinion as fact.
“The 2004 law allows the children of undocumented workers to pay in-state tuition at public colleges and universities if they have attended high school in Kansas for at least three years and have earned a diploma or general education development certificate.
The students must sign an affidavit confirming they will seek U.S. citizenship when they become eligible. About 200 students each year have attended college under the statute, according to the Kansas Board of Regents.”
They were required to meet in-state tuition qualifications. I wasn’t aware your son had attended and graduated from a Kansas high school.
WOW! I didn’t know you could get nastier than you were under the ksgrm nic. Guess I was wrong again. back to the scroll grease jar.
Linda why when someone talks to you as you talk to others all day every day are they getting nasty?
My point is that more leniency is given to illegals than to the parents of Kansas residents who had to move to another state during his college years. Sorry I did clarify that to your satisfaction.
did=didn’t
“Obviously the SRS site states differently.”
Really? Try to get assistance without proper documentation.
“I just get very tired of you stating your opinion as fact.”
Damn, you don’t want to go there, HOG, there is a boatload of evidence that you just make shit up.
Linda I am sure when you insinuated that my son and I tried to circumvent the system and good people caught us at it – well you didn’t mean that to sound like a character assasination did you?
Miss holier that thou.
I did misunderstand and I’m sorry I accused you of attempting to circumvent the law. I was wrong. I’m sorry.
IT WILL BE THE LAST TIME YOU WILL EVER NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ME RESPONDING TO ANYTHING YOU SAY!
I haven’t had a stroke. My shift key did not get stuck. I felt adamant enough to yell the words I capitalized.
WSClark
Posted June 29, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
“Obviously the SRS site states differently.”
Really? Try to get assistance without proper documentation
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I don’t need it. Why don’t you.
Before you start your lying like you do every day at some point I will leave you and Linda to sling all of the dirt you like – at each other. Boy that would be something wouldn’t it.
Because I know you so well and the disgusting post you call intelligent blogging I am telling you to leave my son out of this as you ask other to leave your granddaughter alone.
Well Linda I didn’t realize you had such thin skin. My apologies for responding in kind to your post.
“Obviously the SRS site states differently.”
The fact that the SRS site states that they are not REQUIRED to report to INS, doesn’t mean that anyone can just saunter into SRS and get assistance. If you read that into the statement, then you are truly as dumb as everyone says you are.
“Before you start your lying like you do every day at some point I will leave you and Linda to sling all of the dirt you like – at each other. Boy that would be something wouldn’t it.”
“My son was in the Gulf in the Navy during the time of Cole attack…………………”
Is that a true statement, HOG, or should we believe your previous statement that you LIED when you made that statement?
By the way, show me proof of an equivalent lie on my part.
WS the people you hang out with that think I am stupid are giving me the best complement I have had in days.
Thanks
“the people you hang out with that think I am stupid are giving me the best complement I have had in days.”
Oh, and they also know you as an admitted LIAR.
Do you consider that to be a compliment, also?
WS you really don’t want to go there. You are scum and the smart people on the blog know that. You have one mantra much like Cosmos and then you try to call in your hit men to take out bloggers that see you for the wasted bandwidth you are. Well I can see why people come back at you when you say to lay off. Myself I can only feel sorry for any 8 year old that has you for a grandfather.
“WS you really don’t want to go there.”
Really? Hit me with your best shot, HOG, you freakin’ LIAR.
Ws one last post today because you really deserve to have your nose rubbed in your own stupidity.
The statement about my son has been corrected several times on this blog. He served honorably for 10 years. You don’t have the right to even talk about his service or the service of any military man or woman on this blog.
So WS just play with yourself. You deserve anything you get and have absolutely no right to demand that anyone retract anything they have said on this blog about you and yours.
“Ws one last post today because you really deserve to have your nose rubbed in your own stupidity.”
Really? And you whine about having your nose rubbed in your lies?
Tsk, tsk.
My “stupidity” is relative – your lies are forever.
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WSClark
Posted June 29, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
“Welcome Liberals to the world of truth.”
Oh bullshit, McCluer. As usual, you try to make an issue where there is none. And, as usual, to go for the ad hominim while complaining about attacks on you.
The fact of the matter is that you have to be LEGAL to get food stamps or assistance.
Christ.
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It appears that Clark the liar hates to admit when he’s wrong about SRS.
Do yourself a favor Clark the liar. Hang around Walmart on Pawnee and check out the Vision Card usage on those “undocumented workers” that go in and out of the store.
Of course, you don’t have to believe me, just reread the rules from the SRS Website and the fact they don’t report illegal immigrants.
Must be painful to be proven wrong and an arm flailing liar eh Clark?
“Hang around Walmart on Pawnee and check out the Vision Card usage on those “undocumented workers” that go in and out of the store.”
YOU can tell an illegal immigrant by just LOOKING at them, McCluer?
Damn, what an amazing talent – similar to your ability to discern whether a detainee is a terrorist just by LOOKING at them.
Truly amazing.
“just reread the rules from the SRS Website and the fact they don’t report illegal immigrants.”
Sigh………………………………………
Because they are not REQUIRED to report to INS does not mean that you can just show up at SRS and get assistance.
What a fool you are, McCluer.
Are you also a LIAR like Okie-Dope/KSGrm/HOG?
Sorry, that’s right, you have also been proven to be a LIAR.
Funny, it’s only the CONS that have been proven to be LIARS.
How’s the boy doing, McCluer?
Regular thank you for adding to the thread with factual points which are well documented. I appreciate that at least some truth is posted.
The libs had their private meetup and have turned into blog bullies. They must have been told that when you can’t refute facts with facts of your own then just call the poster a liar. They are so dense they think this works for them.
I have been very disappointed that several posters that I thought were educated and literate seem to have fallen to the lowest level among them instead of pulling the others up with them.
Clark the liar has no facts on his side, so he just makes up his own facts and uses the name-calling, shout down method to try and make his false statements true.
Clark the liar is clueless on how illegal aliens have ‘gamed’ the food stamp and identification system.
“Clark the liar is clueless on how illegal aliens have ‘gamed’ the food stamp and identification system.”
Are you JM, McCluer? You said you were not nor ever had been JM, but now it has been PROVEN that you are JM.
So, who is the documented LIAR – I mean besides HOG.
“I appreciate that at least some truth is posted.”
Well, we certainly cannot count on TRUTH in your posts, HOG, you have already admitted to being a LIAR.
Once a liar, always a liar.
Clark the liar can no longer deal with facts.
I suppose that Clark the liar will state that all these people and sources are lying and have no clue what they are talking about.
According to the citizen, statistics from Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona show that $11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal immigrants each year, $2.2 billion is spent each year on food assistance programs and such things as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal immigrants.
http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2007/09/16/features/columnists/juliana_casillas/doc46ed2129071f1705871778.txt
From the Center for Immigration Studies:
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Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
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Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
Los Angels County:
10% of Los Angeles County residents are illegal aliens (the highest percentage of county residents in the country)
Illegal aliens cost the county greater than one billion dollars per year in taxpayer costs, not counting education.
Breakdown:
$444 million for welfare and food stamps
$400 million for health care
$220 million for correctional services, law enforcement and other public safety costs
New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $37 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in November 2007, which is up $3 million dollars from September.
Children of illegal aliens receive 25% of welfare and food stamp money.
—Mike Antonovich, LA County Supervisor
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Clark the liar resorts to name calling and arm flailing when he is confronted with the factual truth.
Clark the liar cannot state the truth because it is not a Liberal thing to do.
Clark the liar is a liberal whose goal in life is to lie and spread false information.
“Clark the liar cannot state the truth because it is not a Liberal thing to do.”
Is that you, JM?
Funny, I am debating the two ADMITTED liars on this blog and they are accusing ME of being a liar.
Funny stuff…………………………………….
O.K., I have read the blogs and of course the “regular” bloggers are tryinig to out wit one another. Just a note form someone who lives at the lower end of middle class and has worked with our “brother and sisters” from the south for most of my life. First off, know matter what any of you say, you DO NOT need to be a citizen to claim every benefit knnown to man. All you need is the paperwork that says you qualify. And as any good wetback can tell you, that paperwork is available just about anywhere they congegate in larger numbers. Including the fine city of Wichita. I personally know a lady who gets in her Escalade and drives down to Dillons and purchases groceries with a Vision card. She is not a citizen, has no plans of becoming a citizen, but her children are all born in America citizens. And they have taken advantage of the tuition laws. Fact of the matter folks, we have been invaded, the war is just about over, and most of you fine folks don’t even know it. We have given our country away. I could go on and on but why bother, most of you will call me paranoid or a (and I love this one) racist. Just start brushing up on your High School spanish, cause in a very short amount of time you are going to need it.
Flatlander many of us recognize this. That is why there was a huge groundswell when the amnesty bill was brought not to long ago. I think the politicians got the message because two days later the Kennedy/McCain Bill was withdrawn.
What scares me most is that there is no good choice for prez this year. And whoever is elected they will push this bill or one just like it again.
We set back and argue the semantics of our beliefs much like Nero when he fiddled as Rome burned.
“I personally know a lady who gets in her Escalade and drives down to Dillons and purchases groceries with a Vision card.”
And you turned her in to INS when?
If you didn’t, STFU.
It galls me that an illegal alien can even attend any of our state funded colleges, when American kids, from other states must pay out-of-state tuition. Their parents pay taxes too. Do you believe no federal dollars are funding our state colleges?
Kansas should stop this nonsense. And don’t just blame the bleeding heart, cry me a river liberals. The republican majority didn’t stop supporting law breakers either.
It is BS that any of our tax dollars are supporting law breakers.
Screw all illegals!
Amway,
Why have you got your panties in a twist over resident kids of illegal aliens when your real beef is with the state for overcharging kids from other states? The children of illegal aliens didn’t choose their parents any more than your kids did. Besides, there are always other options for those who really want to go to school. My kids worked hard and got scholarships, so they didn’t have to pay tuition. There are all sorte of grants and student aid, on-campus jobs and student loans available for those willing to do the research and work. If all else fails, teach them basketball!
Ummm Jack?? Try South Broadway?? ROFL!!
I really try not to get personal when I choose to blog, however Mr. (or Ms.) WSClark, you are an idiot. If you do not know how pointless it is to turn anyone into INS or any other gov. agency then obviously you have little or no contact with our neighbors from the south. For the ones who choose to do so, they work our systems to the very fullest, to their advantage.
I know illegals get it, because I have 5 section 8 houses full of illegals, who are all to the T collecting Vision, and who are to the last one using state funded medical cards.
Some pay payroll taxes, some don’t. I can’t discriminate against them for not being US citizens. I’ll admit I’m flat out chicken to try and not rent to them. Some are good tennants, some are not. I actually tend to seek them out because they are so much better than the thugs/ misguided girls with thug men in their lives who come around once in awhile.
I think how they get around any restrictions if pop out a couple chiujua (sp) pups once they are here, but I’m pretty sure at least one family is completely from Mexico, the kids are teenagers and can’t speak english either.
“I really try not to get personal when I choose to blog.”
So what you are saying is that you either didn’t have the balls to turn in an illegal alien gaming the system or you just flat out lied.
I am guessing that you LIED.
O.K., WSClark. A direct quote from one of our brothers from the south that used to work for me when I asked him if he was legal or not, which by the way I could’ve lost my job just for asking the question. He said,”No it is not my real name, so what. I get caught, I get a free ride home paid by you (taxpayers), visit my family, spend some of the money I have sent home, get a new number and name and be back to work (in the U.S.) in a couple of weeks.” My point is that the INS is largely ineffective once they get past the border. Like I said before, apparently you know very little of the workings of our “brothers and sisters” fron the south. Oh, and by the way you are still an idiot.
If you are a citizen and can’t figure out how to pay for your children’s college, then you are an idiot. Student loans are abundant and grants are easy money for the lazy kids, with even more free money in the form of scholarships for the brighter ones. ESPECIALLY AT WICHITA STATE OR A JUCO YOU DON’T NEED TO BE IVY-LEAGUE MATERIAL TO GET A FREE RIDE. I’ve known people from 24,000 to 250,000 annual salaries being able to fund their education, either from federal loans or grants, based on their situation. Good grades open up even more dollars. I funded my out-of state tuition quite painlessly, first with parent plus loans since they made a bit too much, and then with staffords and pell grants. Grad school is paid for by RAships and TAships (which I also doubt illegals are eligible for). When I finish my doctorate, paying them off isn’t going to be a big deal—it’s nothing compared to what I’ve gained from my education.
Illegal aliens who were brought here before they were old enough to know right from wrong don’t have this luxury–they have to pay out of pocket or seek private funding. At least give them a chance by offering them instate tuition, seeing as they have attended KS high school for 3 years. I know the difference is 3-fold, it’s the difference between him/her going to college or trying to find a job that pays peanuts.
Where do you get off ruining a child’s life because of the parents’ actions? Would any of you really be okay with taking an 18 year old illegal who lived and grew up in the US for 17 years and punting him back to Mexico, maybe a country he has no memory of and no experience living in? Good lord, that would be like me getting sent back to India, I wouldn’t have a clue what to do there.
(I’m terrified that the answer to my last question will be yes from some of you, and that is disgusting).
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