Casinos run good operations

gamblingIt’s encouraging that a Sunday Eagle article on the experience of Tunica, Miss., with the Sumner County casino candidates found that all three — Harrah’s, Marvel and Penn National — run good operations. All hire locally. All contribute generously to local charities. All have minimal regulatory violations.

The positive record should reassure Kansans wondering which one of the casinos will win the bidding for a Sumner County casino.

Seems that in practice, they’re pretty much the same.

It’s still unclear whether a casino will provide a net gain to south-central Kansas, but the article should at least quiet critics still predicting that any casino will bring economic ruin and rampant corruption to the area.

That hasn’t been Mississippi’s experience with these companies.

36 Comments

  1. chooseaside
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    I like Harrah’s.

  2. Posted June 24, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    It’s a little late now for the WE to print good things about casinos when before the vote, they couldnt say enough bad, or lick enough, um, boot, with the GOBN to make sure the casino wasnt built in THEIR ever so holy city.

  3. Posted June 24, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Folks in Wichita love jobs and economic development.

    Except when they dont…

  4. GMC70
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    KFG -

    If casinos were in fact “jobs and economic development,” you’d have a point.

    They aren’t.

    What they are is a vacuum, sucking dollars out of the state to the casino’s corporate masters. And that’s true no matter how well they’re run. They are proof of PT Barnum’s wisdom: “There’s a sucker born every minute, and two to take his money.”

    BTW - you’re dead on that “economic development” in Kansas is generally a sham - little more than crony capitalism.

  5. gster
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    I don’t gamble, have never been in a casino and probably don’t know what the hell I’m talking about on this subject.

    Wouldn’t there always be ” vacuum , sucking money” whether there are casinos in Kansas or not. Wouldn’t the amount of money being “sucked” be determined by the locality of the casino? If the casino’s are in Kansas, isn’t there a larger amount of money staying in state and not leaving?

    I don’t love the idea but it seems it’s better to have them in-state rather than in a border state.

  6. okobserver
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    gster I can take them or leave them. Spend a few dollars there myself on ocassion. The reality of casinos is looking around at the people feeding the slots. It very often is the poorest among us who see this as their chance to strike it rich.

    Few people will come to Kansas just to gamble when they can get air fares and hotel rooms given to them for going to Vegas. This is what GMC was saying. You won’t see much new money come in just see the same dollars recycled. With the slots even closer you will see more mortgage money, food money, etc.. going out of state. Unless new money comes in the economy stagnates.

    Casinos are anything but benevolent. They don’t build those big casinos because they pay out a lot in prize money.

  7. JWink
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I don’t know about casinos in Mississippi but a friend who knows, says the casinos in northern Kansas have caused all kinds of problems in the vicinity, bankruptcies, divorces, crimes, boarded up buildings. These might not be so visible in more populated areas but they are there non-the-less.

  8. Predestined
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    From what I’ve heard, Tunica has grown since I was there 10 years ago. We stayed at the Hollywood Casino and Hotel, which was really kind of neat. Each Hollywood has displays of items from different movies. There was a motorcycle there that was used in Easy Rider, a dress Marilyn Monroe wore in a movie, and other memorabilia. They were also building a big Titanic display. Not that there’ll be anything like that in Sumner Co.

    I don’t gamble and didn’t even step onto the casino floor, but the rooms were reasonably priced and the food was good.

    Are there any plans for a hotel to go along with the casino in Sumner? I haven’t kept up. Like I said, I don’t gamble…except for getting up each morning. That’s a gamble in itself.

  9. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    GMC, unless the casino is run by robots, someone works their that creates jobs. and that they suck dollars out of state to their corporate dollars well that’s true of many companies, walmart, target, McDonald’s etc

  10. WSClark
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    I only gamble on marriage. I am oh for two, with two near misses.

    Thank God for Marriage Anonymous.

  11. sunflower5
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    According to the article it does not appear that the casino’s generate as much money for the government. What happens when Kansas has the same problem? The government owns the casino’s so will the taxpayers have to cover the difference?

  12. HLP
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    I love Terrible’s Casino in Iowa. It’s about 32 miles north of the Missouri border on I-35.

    We go to a herding trial in Iowa eery year and Terrible’s is a great place to spend the night on the way.

    We leave Wichita on Wednesday evening, get to Terrible’s about 10pm. We sign up for the Terribles’ ‘player card’ and we get to stay in the RV parking for $5. The next morning I get my free Terribles’ ball cap and we get the free breakfast Buffet.

    8am and we’re on our way to the trial!

  13. Regular
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t been around that many casinos and my only opinion of them is that they have low prices for eating and lodging.

    However, the penalty of throwing away your money more than makes up the difference if one does choose to gamble.

    Went to Baden Baden in Germany on a lark. It was amazing and disconcerting to see players put stacks of $1000 dollar equivalent chips on the table, lose them and play again, only to lose again.

    Gambling, no I do not like it.

  14. parkay
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Al Capone donated to bread lines, too.

  15. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    GMC was correct above. Many of you don’t have a clue as to why he is right.

    Like many great successful government ventures (ya right) casinos do NOT produce anything. No product. One could even argue a ’service’ isn’t provided. (Stealing your money service?) Money simply changes hands.

    So how Libs, does taking money from one pocket and putting it into another pocket (with the Casino and the Government taking a piece of the pie), CREATE economic development?

    That’s what is wrong with America today, the Service Economy we live on, cannot in the long run provide the wealth (capitol) that is needed to support our economy. Manufacturing is rapidly disappearing.

    I saw Soylent Green with my daughter the other day, in that advanced society of 2022 manufacturing had disappeared. Nothing was being Made anymore and everything was wearing out to the point where nothing worked. (An very few people worked.)

    Ya Libs, that great Socialist machine, can you not see where it’s taking us?

  16. Posted June 24, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Max - it can be argued that no forms of entertainment create anything. However, might it be that entertaining people improves their productivity in the long run?

  17. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    How?

  18. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    so Max, going to the movies, a bar, nightclub, concert, bowling, golfing, out to eat doesnt produce anything either(exepct jobs,taxs, and profits for the owners). So what? If you want to talk about no manfacturing theirs plenty of blame to go around both lib and con politicans, to consumers who shop at Walmart and wont buy american products to Big Bussiness(walmart,Boeing) who would rather support brutal dictatorships like Communist China than America.

  19. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh those things do what you say Tom, but the pool of money is simply passed around.

    To increase the size of that pool of money, you need to actually create something. Making iron from iron ore for example, creates something from nothing through Work and a Transformation process.

    You Libs alledgedly support improving the quality of life for all, so how do you do that by passing the same money back and forth without creating MORE money?

    Oh, I know your answer. Money grows on trees and the Socialists simply take from the Rich to give to the Poor to improve the quality of life for the Poor.

    WHAT are you creating for the benefit of all mankind? Food? Clean/Green Energy? Shelter? Clothing? Medicine?

    Nope. Slot Machines.

  20. Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Max - it’s actually fairly simple. Since I enjoy certain forms of entertainment I work more hours in order to eran the money to do those things. So, by making more widgets (and more money) I then have money to pay to an entertainer.

    Are you saying that there should be no entertainment? No movies like you took your daughter to? No theater?

  21. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    So max Unless a business produces something tangible your opposed to it? I thought you believed in capitalism?

  22. flatlandersg
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    O.K., I guess that I just don’t get it!! My wife and I go to casinos. Have for years. We put our gambling money in one pocket and when that is gone we quit gambling. We go to casinos because it is fun. You have good food, good entertainment, great fun, meet all kinds of people, really nice rooms (sometimes for free), get treated like royalty, the list goes on and on. It is called fun and entertainment. Sounds like Max could use a little R&R. My wife says that he sounds like a workaholic so casinos wouldn’t be a good place for him to be. No offense meant, just poking a little fun.

  23. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Technially someone builds slot machines, probably more than one company, along with playing cards, dice. Casinos, bars, restaurants also have to buy both the tools and food so they can prepare it. Someone has to make the ovens, microwaves and assorted gadgets, someone makes the projectors used in movie theaters not to mention all the industry involved in actually making movies, my uncle actually manufactured props for Apollo 13 by coping artifacts from the Cosmosphere, so both the Cosmosphere and a Wichita Machine shop made money from a movie. then a how many americans are employed in the brewing and distilling enterprises

  24. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Technically someone builds slot machines, probably more than one company, along with playing cards, dice. Casinos, bars, restaurants also have to buy both the tools and food so they can prepare it. Someone has to make the ovens, microwaves and assorted gadgets, someone makes the projectors used in movie theaters not to mention all the industry involved in actually making movies, my uncle actually manufactured props for Apollo 13 by coping artifacts from the Cosmosphere, so both the Cosmosphere and a Wichita Machine shop made money from a movie. then a how many Americans are employed in the brewing and distilling enterprises

  25. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Flatlander, casinos are not fun to me. Get board in less then 5 minutes there.

    If y’all think casinos are productive and create wealth in America, go ahead and shift more resources over to them. See how much more food, fuel, clothing, and exportable items that gets ya.

    You won’t increase wealth a lick, but you will spread it around more.

    Sure, some service industries are necessary, but they do not increase the overall wealth resources in America.

    AND, they divert funds to casinos that might otherwise be spent on manufactured goods.

  26. Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Are you saying that there should be no entertainment? No movies like you took your daughter to? No theater?

  27. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t matter, you Socialists have won the battle, but the Country will lose the war, when everyone stops working productive jobs.

    Had yet ANOTHER employee quit yesterday. She’s taking a part-time job somewhere else. Why?

    She had to actually pay all of her own rent in June! Oh my, she lost her housing assistance because she was making too much money working full-time. (She started about 6 months ago, guess the Welfare police just caught up to her)

    Ya know, there should be a Centralized Welfare Caseworker required who would review these cases so that welfare is DENIED to all those who are Able to work, but not Willing to work.

    As an employer, I should have to report all employees who voluntarily quit to a centralized Federal welfare database. Heck, the IRS already has info on all of us.

    Just more money from the money tree…

  28. MaxGrobnik
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    No bth, I said some service industries are necessary.

    But when you have people crying about not having the bare necessities of life, and the countries infrastructure is falling down all around us, some people want to PLAY, and use Government funds to build casinos!

    Got YOUR Priorities straight?

    Maybe you think Government can do EVERYTHING for you, and there’s unlimited money tree resources out there!

    Say, have you seen that big white rabbit today too?

  29. Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Max - I am opposed to government providing these things - as you know I opposed the 6 million bailout for Warren. But, if a guy wants to unwind after a day pushing rivits or whatever with some entertainment - even if that entertainment is a slot machine - then so be it.

    It’s called capitalism.

    As for me - I want to play too. And, after about 6 this evening, I intend to.

  30. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    so max now you want to increase the federal government bureaucracy? and your calling everyone else socialists? yet your the one who appears to be an anticapialist

  31. TomPaine
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Me too Ben yesterday was my Bday so Ill probably go out drinking. I think some people are pissed off cause somewhere somebody is having fun

  32. Posted June 24, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Happy b-day Tom. We’ll be celebrating an anniversary (37) later this week - I can see the ‘family values’ crowd complaining now! After all; I’m still on 1.0; not 2.0 like McCain and ‘after 3.0′ like Rush!

  33. Nano
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Max, I’m going to bet that you’re about as much fun as a toothache. What a grouch.

  34. Predestined
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Get board in less then 5 minutes

    board? Isn’t that made of wood? Five minutes, huh? I’m not impressed.

  35. lindainks55
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Nano and PreD, if you two gals keep bringing on the fun maybe it will cause Max to smile. ;-) Max sounds like she could use a little fun if she would just let down her hair.

  36. Bill_McKean
    Posted June 24, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    We sure don’t want poor Bob Knight to have another hard attack, but someone needs to ask the question how the Dodoge City casino will be run if abortionist attorney - Steve Joseph wins the contract? I’m sure Wahleeta Steckline is rolling over in her grave.

    Bill McKean kiakahahaha@yahoo.com 293-6079

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