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http://www.americansolutions.com/ResourceCenter/Read.aspx?guid=9843634b-8ea6-4cfb-b201-41da92d222e9

June 4, 2008

WASHINGTON, DC – A new survey of 1,000 Americans nationwide conducted by the polling company™, inc for American Solutions for Winning the Future reveals that 81% of the American people support the U.S. using more of its own domestic energy resources, including the oil and coal already here, to combat the rising cost of energy and reduce dependence on foreign energy sources. According to the survey, 85% of Republicans, 76% of Democrats, and 83% of independents support using more domestic energy resources, making the tri-partisan agreement overwhelming.

The survey also shows that 69% of Americans support lowering energy prices by using domestic energy sources, even if it means drilling off our coasts and in Alaska, rather than suing OPEC.

As you are evidently not an oil expert, please read these and tell us your personal opinion about the provenness of these reserves:

38 Billion Barrels of U.S. Oil Resources Inaccessible

http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=d4b72449-7edb-493d-88ff-76bfe669e0f2

RAND: U.S. Oil Shale Resources Are Three Times Larger Than the Current Oil Reserves in Saudi Arabia

http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=1c1a10c1-15fd-4ad8-a426-b9a87f635903

If you are an oil expert, please explain exactly how you know that those “untapped US oil and shale oil reserves” are “proven reserves”.

Did you read the links describing known, but untapped US oil and shale oil reserves and listen to the videos on the petition web page? Or are you an expert on the US oil industry that can tell from a few written words that a petition such as this one is based on false data?

“We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.”

http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

“Look, here is cosmos again making ad hominem attacks.”
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Maybe this is too difficult for Nathaniel to understand — but if he cannot refute the facts and points I posted above, Nathaniel is the one who is making “ad hominem attacks”.

Not me.

So go ahead Nathaniel… try to prove that I am wrong, without falsely accusing me of “making ad hominem attacks”.

Nathaniel can’t do it. LOL!

With this it does not suprise me that our Junior Senator would back a CO2 belching power plant. This is just one of very many reasons that I pray that the Democrats have a very strong candidate in 2010 when Mr. Brownback runs for Govenor.

Will the REAL Republicans please take back your kidnapped party from the ultra-right Neocons

Is that all you can do besides posting links?

We might as well be talking to a brick wall for all the actual discussion we can get from you.

Thank you for being honest, and admitting that you are 100% clueless about the petition that you are promoting.

The words below are the words of a petition. People can click on the link below the very simple petition and decide whether or not they want to sign it.

I am not making any arguments here, I am just making the petition known for people to check out on their own. There are a couple videos on the link with more information so that people can inform themselves before they decide for themselves.

“We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.”

http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

I’m not saying the Democrats are not to blame. I’m saying that both parties are to blame for the oil mess we’re in.

The Democrats blocked the Energy Policy several times. I am not sure what ever ended up getting passed.

Simply because the Republicans had both houses didn’t mean that they could do anything they wanted to.

I’m all for drilling oil in the US but let’s not just blame it on the Democrats. The Republicans had 6 years of total control and they never once attempted to drill within the US. Perhaps it is because Big Oil could make more profits from their deals with the Middle East oil?

Just think, if the Republicans would have started to drill 7 years ago (when they first had total control), we would be that much closer to being independent of foreign oil.

Why not blame both parties for the mess we are in?

“… by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.”

“Proven” means known. Only one well has been drilled in the Arctic Refuge, and the results are secret. The Refuge is a new, unknown “frontier”, with a very different geology than Prudhoe.

stonegroundwheat, how much oil the Badami field is producing? How profitable is it?

“to reduce our dependence… from unstable countries.””?

The brilliant stonegroundwheat of course knows that a drunk shutdown the entire TAPS oil production, with a hunting rifle, during heightened security.

‘Alaska clean-up ‘could take years’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1584553.stm

The brilliant stonegroundwheat knows that the U.S. Army studied TAPS, and said that it was “indefensible”.

And the brilliant stonegroundwheat knows that a mid-winter shutdown of TAPS, due to mechanical problems or anything, could cause the heated oil to congeal — with a restart impossible until months later, in the summer.

In short, the brilliant stonegroundwheat believes that a very “unstable” source of oil is a stable source.

“We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries.”

http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

Daily ANWR oil is equivalent to daily imports from Saudi Arabia for 30 years. In your mind that is not enough to make a difference?

In addition to ANWR, the US has over 1 TRILLION barrels of oil just waiting to be extracted from oil shale. In your mind is THAT enough to make a difference?

You were aware, weren’t you, Monkeyhawk, that the reason that 1 TRILLION barrels of oil cannot yet be tapped is that the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED CONGRESS will simply not permit it?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/15/panel-defeats-attempt-end-oil-shale-moratorium/

I am just pointing out what has actually happened. And what is happening now. We don’t need to go the insults route, do we?

Think clinically.

So, I take it that your solution is to have the US government take control of all US oil resources. What do you propose to do with the profits? Split them up among the people? Or use them to fund government?

“ANWR would now be daily generating as much oil as the US daily imports from the Saudi royal family had that Democrat veto not killed drilling in ANWR 10 years ago.”

Stoned, I explained to you in my 7:00 pm post that is not accurate — unless Saudi imports are about zero.

I’ll try again,

anwr.org is a pro-drilling lobby with zero credibilty.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/arctic_national_wildlife_refuge/html/analysisdiscussion.html
“Seven to 12 years are estimated to be required from an approval to explore and develop to first production from the ANWR Area.”

“First production” is the trickle just past the “0″ point on this graph,
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/arctic_national_wildlife_refuge/html/figure4.html

And the 16 billion barrel estimate is a very unlikely 5% chance, that also ignores costs.

But “American-made” simply does not apply to the fossil fuel industry. What part of “multi-national corporation” don’t you understand?

All the oil pumped out of the planet goes into a common bucket. And America doesn’t have enough to make a big difference.

The people who have enough to make a difference are flush with petro-dollars (I mean petro-Euros these days) to the point they could stop exporting OPEC oil for decades without feeling a pinch.

The Cons’ first mistake is that they approach this problem with a pre-existing goal: more oil.

A rational approach would be more energy and making the most of the energy we’ve got.

“Clean” coal is an admirable goal, but so far it’s just the brainchild of some Public Relations firm. Yeah, it might be possible. And, yeah, that’d be nice. But so far the technology is about as advanced as “Flapping Your Arms and Flying to Vegas.” Another nice idea, perhaps, but not the basis for public policy.

Cons come across as if their only interest is to fill the tank of their rusted out ‘78 Torino (with the faded “No Fat Chicks” bumper sticker) for less than sixty bucks.

Ain’t gonna happen.

And “American” oil ain’t gonna make a difference.

Not in the global commodities market.

Now, we could nationalize all American oil operations, remove the obscene profits of Mobil-Exxon and Conoco/Phillips and Chevron, et al. We could make American oil production a “Manhattan Project” kind of operation. Somehow I suspect that’s not the option you advocate, “stonegroundwheat.” But that’s what your lamebrain arguments are really advocating.

Like the blind pig who eventually finds an acorn, George WMD Bush declared in a State of the Union Address that “America has to rid itself from its addiction to oil.”

All you Cons who insist on drilling for more oil are like the guy who jumps off the Empire State Building and at the 67th story says, “So far, so good.”

Democrat President Bill Clinton vetoed ANWR about 10 years ago with the support of Democrats in the US House and US Senate.

ANWR would now be daily generating as much oil as the US daily imports from the Saudi royal family had that Democrat veto not killed drilling in ANWR 10 years ago.

The primary reason we now have limited supply is that the Democrat party vetoed ANWR and started limiting supply 10 years ago. That veto is still working hard to limit supply to this very day.

With that Democrat veto and the limited supply that it has resulted in, we now have $4 per gallon gas.

“Government geologists say ANWR could hold up to 16 billion barrels of recoverable oil. That’s 30 years of imports from Saudi Arabia.”

http://www.anwr.org/archives/2005_03.php

Had ANWR been passed 10 years ago, the equivalent of all daily imports from Saudi Arabia for the next 30 years would now be available from ANWR.

And who is responsible for the missing ANWR oil? The Democrat party.

The Democrat party is responsible by way of the votes of Democrat voters who voted Bill Clinton and the Democrat Congress into federal power so that Clinton and federal Democrats were able to veto ANWR 10 years ago.

Don’t get mad at me that gas is $4 per gallon. If you want to get mad at anybody, get mad at Democrat President Bill Clinton and federal Democrats that vetoed ANWR 10 years ago.