“Do white right-wing preachers have it easier than black left-wing preachers? Is there a double standard?†E.J. Dionne asked in the Washington Post. He noted that the Revs. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson made even more divisive comments after Sept. 11 than the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, yet GOP politicians still sought their endorsements. The Rev. John Hagee has made many offensive comments, yet John McCain spent a year trying to get Hagee’s endorsement. “It’s entirely true that Wright’s foolishness is a bigger deal because of his long-standing relationship with Obama,†Dionne wrote. Still, he said, “the question is whether we will be just as tough on false prophets who happen to be white and right-wing.â€
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Absolutely. It’s a huge double standard because lets face it, white racism is still alive and well, and they are scared to death that blacks are going to be equally powerful someday.
Lets talk frankly about what they’re really afraid of- that someone is going to treat them as badly as they’ve treated blacks….from housing discrimination to job discrimination.
I’ve heard one person even complain that he fought for black rights…until he was rejected for a job years ago to affirmative action. Well, gee. You lost ONE job, and yet, how many jobs did that black guy get passed up for?
LOL only in Politics can it be that some would not vote for a candidate that is not openly religious. Yet other will not vote for someone because they are known to have attended the same church for twenty years!
This dead horse is being beaten so much we are going from tenderizing the meat to trying for bone meal!
Can I let you in on a little secret? I hear that Hillary once sat and watched a speech made by Hitler! OMG does that mean she agree with what he said? AND-AND John Mc Cain back in the seventies spend some time with people that were… Wait… Wait… Communists!
You know perhaps there is a closer tie to the Weathermen than Obama will admit! I bet it could have came in handy to have an eight y.o. to get those bombs into the tight spaces! And Hillary, well she is tied to those Arkansans and us Kansans know what their like! Mc Cain could have meant to be shot down! How else could he explained having a black child? And this is just shocking! It is rumored that all three have had SEX! What you think the children were adopted?
Yeah forget about the times, Post and Eagle…. I get all my news from the most reliable source in print media… THE ENQUIRER! Informed people want to know, not much in reality but they still want to know!
If McCain had been attending a church regularly for 20 years that was led by a person making racist, incendiary sermons, it would be a big deal. He would surely not be a viable candidate for the presidency. The double standard, if there is one, is that Obama is still a legitimate contender despite this association.
Obama is not responsible for everything any black preacher anywhere says, nor is McCain responsible for everything any white preacher anywhere says. Obama isn’t really responsible for what Mr. Wright, specifically, says, but the fact that they had a close relationship for so many years does reflect on his judgment.
RobertL,
Applause…Applause…Applause…Standing ovation!
RobertL and Boxlock…what church(es) do you attend?
There is no double standard with respect to Wright.
If a white preacher said the things Rev. Jeremiah Wright said most would get up and leave and he’d have no one to ‘preach’ to the next ’service’.
The fact they didn’t, and don’t, and that Obama listened to that tripe for 20+ years speaks volumes.
Two days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Jerry Falwell, appearing on Pat Robertson’s “700 Club,” declared: “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’ “
Is this the church RobertL and Boxlock go to?
Don’t know…they haven’t said. They apparently approve of that message.
Spot on RobertL. Your post says everything that really needs to be said.
The Obama campaign is doing whatever they can to put the Rev Wright matter to bed. But the press just can’t seem to let it fade away. Here, they attempt (lamely)to frame it as a right vs left, black vs white issue.
I bet Obama cringes every time a new story like this comes out.
Racism rears it ugly head this fine Sunday morning with outbursts from outlander, boxlock, and robertl.
Sad that they fail to see their own black souls.
KansasNative sounds an awful lot like CapnAmerica. The nonsense and what not.
Where do you attend church outlander?
(sound of) Frogs croaking…
And perhaps, since you like to throw around labels KansasNative, you’d like to demonstrate your substance. So please, point out my “racist” statement.
I’ll wait over here.
— all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’ “
Apparently that includes boxlock, outlander, and robertl (good people afraid to announce their faith and where they practice it).
Still waiting for your pointing out my “racist” statement, KN/CapnA.
God knows who you are outlander and your denials only keep you from the truth of yourself.
It speaks volumes that you cannot answer a simple question like “what is your faith and where do you practice it?”.
Fear is understandable and one day you will no longer fear but enjoy the life God has given you.
I pray every day for all of you that you will know the truth and be free.
….. and boxlock sounds like outlander who sounds like regular who sounds like robert L 4 peas same pod — an in bred mutual admiration society —- whats up cuz……?
incapable of original thought
KansasNaive,
First, I feel absolutely NO OBLIGATION to respond to your personal questions and will not.
Second, those others never said “GOD DAMN AMERICA”. They questioned whether God has turned his back on the United States because of it’s increasingly sinful secular/progressive nature.
Big difference.
Third, the comments condemning Wright have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with treason, and the fact Obama sat and listened to it for so long, which implies agreement.
KansasNaive, have you had your coffee yet, your certainly aren’t thinking clearly yet.
BTW…your support of the Wright controversy is racist. Read the Post article by Dionne.
Your denials are a result of your fear.
Again, there are many here praying for your soul.
Fear Boxlock…that’s what 8 years of President sissyboy has given you.
You are afraid and not free.
BTW, Boxlock.
I know your faith and where you practice it…one day you won’t be afraid to say it yourself.
KansasNaive,
I laugh in your face.
Is yours a cheap and futile attempt at threating me?
Simpleton!
More fear … no truth.
God forbid that some people sound bitter, and cling to their guns, their nativism and their “religion,” such as it might be.
As a previous post asked, what percentage of Americans are so racist and/or sexist they would vote only for a white male? My guess is more than 15 percent and less than 50.
Perhaps a better question would be what % of REPUBLICANS are so racist and/or sexist they would vote only for a white male? My guess is more than 50 per cent but less than 100 per cent.
Frank Rich address this issue in his column today:
http://tinyurl.com/4vvzfd
Good morning Phillip!
Another thread apologizing for, rationalizing for, struggling to explain away a poor bitter left-wing nut of a preacher!
First of all comparing the stupid remarks of Jerry Falwell to the hateful, racist, anti American remarks of the good Rev Wright is a little disingenuous. Falwell is hardly as far to the right as Wright is to the left.
Then to answer the question, “What if Wright were white and right wing?” Simple! The Washington Post would have been criticizing him for the last twenty years with story after sorry story just like they have been covering Falwell.
Wright is more than a harmless liberal preacher. He’s a proponent of black liberation philosophy. His hateful ministry deserves to be examined without being justified with comparison to stupid white men.
In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.)
Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton.
Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”
Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”
Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it’s true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled “homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came.”
KansasNaive posts;
“15 percent and less than 50″ and “more than 50 per cent but less than 100 per cent.”
Wow…that’s really nailing it down close.
Ridiculous remark there KansasNaive
Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago… he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”
” those others never said “GOD DAMN AMERICA”
Ya know? I say that every now and again myself.
“the comments condemning Wright have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with treason,”
Oh come now. That IS a stretch.
Hmm….probably the biggest mental of physical one you will make all day.
“sat and listened to it for so long, which implies agreement.”
Well John McCain keeps close company with ministers who think we are in the “end times”.
Do you tend to agree?
SOME of those ministers even think we should act out foreign policy and military actions to conform with paving the way to Armageddon!
Would I find you and McCain in THAT camp?
All that said, there is only one candidate wihout issues of church mixing with matters of state.
Senator Clinton does not have these radical affiliations.
Tom Friedman in today’s NYT:
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…Much nonsense has been written about how Hillary Clinton is “toughening up” Barack Obama so he’ll be tough enough to withstand Republican attacks. Sorry, we don’t need a president who is tough enough to withstand the lies of his opponents. We need a president who is tough enough to tell the truth to the American people. Any one of the candidates can answer the Red Phone at 3 a.m. in the White House bedroom. I’m voting for the one who can talk straight to the American people on national TV — at 8 p.m. — from the White House East Room.
Who will tell the people? We are not who we think we are. We are living on borrowed time and borrowed dimes. We still have all the potential for greatness, but only if we get back to work on our country.
I don’t know if Barack Obama can lead that, but the notion that the idealism he has inspired in so many young people doesn’t matter is dead wrong. “Of course, hope alone is not enough,” says Tim Shriver, chairman of Special Olympics, “but it’s not trivial. It’s not trivial to inspire people to want to get up and do something with someone else.”
It is especially not trivial now, because millions of Americans are dying to be enlisted — enlisted to fix education, enlisted to research renewable energy, enlisted to repair our infrastructure, enlisted to help others. Look at the kids lining up to join Teach for America. They want our country to matter again. They want it to be about building wealth and dignity — big profits and big purposes. When we just do one, we are less than the sum of our parts. When we do both, said Shriver, “no one can touch us.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04friedman.html?hp
Boxlock:Wow…that’s really nailing it down close.
Ridiculous remark there KansasNaive
You are right, Republicans are probably 95% racist….
In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial dysfunction in their own house.
In our mainstream political culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of “political correctness” or “reverse racism.”
An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident. It’s the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern strategy in the Nixon era.
No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his party’s South Carolina primary of 2000.
Better question.
“What if this story AND McCain’s radical affiliations had come out in December?”
I think that what the thread overlooks the fact that most religous leaders are douchebags anyways. In fact religon of all stripes makes people stupid
“There is no double standard with respect to Wright.
If a white preacher said the things Rev. Jeremiah Wright said most would get up and leave and he’d have no one to ‘preach’ to the next ’service’.
The fact they didn’t, and don’t, and that Obama listened to that tripe for 20+ years speaks volumes.”
That’s bull…Falwell, Robertson..both of them had huge followings no matter how outrageous they became, and Bush was one of them…I really doubt that any one of their congregation walked out after the stupid and ridiculous statements they made. And they were much farther right than Obama is left.
Why can’t we stick to the issues rather than focus on all the stupid stuff that just doesn’t matter? At least Obama has some common sense and he’s not so disingenuous to be shooting guns, throwing back boilermakers, and promising to save Americans $2 every fill at the gas pump for votes.
Let’s focus on the REAL issues…not all these distractions which mean nothing, it doesn’t do a thing to solve our problems.
“RobertL” pontificates –
“…Obama isn’t really responsible for what Mr. Wright, specifically, says, but the fact that they had a close relationship for so many years does reflect on his judgment.”
Hell, my Dad attended the same church for 30 years and half the time was spent debating issues of theology, morality, politics, barbecue recipes…everything. You may go to church for answers. Some people join a church for the questions.
And the thing is, most people join a church, not a pastor. (Albeit, a lot of those mega-church evangelical salvation shopping malls often embrace cult-of-personality trappings about “
BagwanBrother Billy Sol Kindheart.”)For most people church is the people, the fellowship, the reason they show up on Sundays and tithe and sing with the choir.
The Roman Catholic Church had a decades-long problem with pedophile priests. Using your logic, “RobertL,” every Catholic worshiper must be pro-altar-boy-buggering.
Wow.
I gotta say that the odds are ginormous that Wright’s comments will seem merely annoyingly trivial when compared by the twice-born to John Hagee’s book, “In Defense of Israel.” Surely McCain literally hunting down the approval and endorsement of a religious nutcase like Hagee is far worse than Obama’s sitting subject for 20 years to a social nutcase like Wright. At least in certain white enclaves.
For example: Christ didn’t come to earth to become the Messiah?!? Christ refused by “deed” to claim to be the Messiah?!?
I sure can’t claim any expertise on Christian theology, but that all sounds pretty fishy to me. I think if you’re a christian then comments like that’ll earn you some quality time in the hot place (that’s what they told me when I was ten or so, anyway).
The only problem that I see in America today is Republicans following their boy king President Sissypants to hell and trying to drag everybody with them.
That will be taken care of in November.
Then McCain takes over KansasNative
hahahahahahahahahahahah
Thanks for the laugh coot!
No wonder the twice-born can’t get excited about McCain.
It’s like McCain decided one day, “gotta find me a fundamentalist, ANY fundamentalist, to fire up the twice-born to the point they’ll literally burn up their shoe leather to get out the vote…for me.”
Ouch. When you look at it that way, McCain does seem something less than inspiring I guess.
Here is another prospective on this, Oh yes it is so much more respectable that Mc Cain would “whore himself” to get a kooky preacher to endorse him! Then for Obama to actually attend a church for twenty years where the preacher is kooky! It makes as much sense as the pimp husband who was divorcing his whore wife for having sex and not demanding money up front.
But seriously kansasnative, look from which we get to choose. Hillary, who cant spell truth, Obama, the closet racist or McCain the hothead.
I just now got the connection!
Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,”
John Sydney McBush has a fetish for big breasted women…no wonder he picked Hagee. Only bad boy John would call her the Great C***.
Obama is no more responsible for Rev. Wright than any of us. Look at what Obama has done that last several weeks. He has worked to distance himself from the fine Reverend. No one should forget, he is a politician first. Rev. Wright is going to hurt Obama because he has realized he is now on the national stage. He will use Obama to further his own personal cause.
Obama is a politician on the national stage. If he gets slammed, don’t cry racism is the cause; he chose to get into a very vicious game. He deserves everything he is getting. If the super delegates vote against him, it’s politics, not racism. It’s all politics.
Fallwell and Roberts are just as egotistical. Why isn’t there much fanfare when a white preacher does this? There isn’t someone standing in front of a camera screaming, “Racist.” Not everything that happens to a black man at the hands of a white man is racism. Maybe bad things happen to good people. Racism isn’t going to go away until people like Rev. Wright let it go.
KansasNaive posts;
“An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident.”
No it doesn’t, it results from the abuse a black candidate takes from his own people and the DemLib. party if he even attempts to run. And that he/she gets voted down by those same racists.
How is it Democrats and liberals are responsible for the racism in the Republican party?
Ya can’t circle that square.
As evidenced by the puffery of the sanctimonious white Republican bigots on this thread, f course there’s a double standard. Bill Moyers puts it so perfectly that it would be redundant for me to add a word:
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http://www.alternet.org/election08/84330/?page=2
“Behold the double standard: John McCain sought out the endorsement of John Hagee, the warmongering, Catholic-bashing Texas preacher, who said the people of New Orleans got what they deserved for their sins.
But no one suggests McCain shares Hagee’s delusions or thinks AIDS is God’s punishment for homosexuality. Pat Robertson called for the assassination of a foreign head of state and asked God to remove Supreme Court justices, yet he remains a force in the Republican religious right.
After 9/11, Jerry Falwell said the attack was God’s judgment on America for having been driven out of our schools and the public square, but when McCain goes after the endorsement of the preacher he once condemned as an agent of intolerance, the press gives him a pass.
Jon Stewart recently played tape from the Nixon White House in which Billy Graham talks in the Oval Office about how he has friends who are Jewish, but he knows in his heart that they are undermining America.
This is crazy and wrong — white preachers are given leeway in politics that others aren’t.
Which means it is all about race, isn’t it?
Wright’s offensive opinions and inflammatory appearances are judged differently. He doesn’t fire a shot in anger, put a noose around anyone’s neck, call for insurrection, or plant a bomb in a church with children in Sunday school.
What he does is to speak his mind in a language and style that unsettles some people, and says some things so outlandish and ill-advised that he finally leaves Obama no choice but to end their friendship.”
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Watching the bigots hide behind their bigoted code language, while getting up in arms about bigotry they perceive as directed at them kind of tells you everything you need to know about the level of hypocrisy white Republicans have over race.
Boxlock,
So African Americans are so stupid that they vote for whomever liberal white Democrats tell them to?
That’s patronizing, racist AND stupid, Boxlock. I’d call that a Wingnut Trifecta.
I guess since each of us is perfect and our opinion the only acceptable one we should be able to criticize everyone else, everything they’ve ever done personally and hold them responsible for the actions and words of every person they’ve ever known. Boy, I’m glad none of us has ever done anything we need to be held accountable for. ‘Cause ya know, glass houses and all that.
What a ridiculous topic.
Let’s see,
What if Martin Luther King were a white man?
What if Timothy McVeigh was a liberal professor and 20 years later stated he didn’t regret the bombing (re: Weathermen)
What if Obama were a Republican and spoke in the same manner with the same ideas, would he be accused of being an Uncle Tom by the left?
What if Hagee were black and spoke of the U.S. of KKK of A and the United States invented the AIDS virus to infect black people?
Ridiculous hypotheticals all, just like the heading topic question poses.
The American Family Association said nutty things like you can catch AIDS from porn box covers. Wright said the government spread AIDS intentionally (their spreading of AIDS was merely through neglect and a desire that it would only affect gays).
Of course AFA is considered acceptable since they are on the Reich side of crazy, not the Wright side of crazy.
I think the press has beaten this whole subject to death…and Wright is reveling in it. He certainly loves being the center of attention, doesn’t he?
I think it’s time to ignore the a**hole and move on to a relevent issue.
Maggotpunk,
Indeed. And what the white racists Repukes on the board want to conceal is that the U.S. Government did, in fact, without informing them or getting their consent, allow 399 black men with syphillis to go untreated for FORTY YEARS, in order to study the effects of syphillis. This was called the “Tuskegee Experiment,” Wingnuts. Read up: it’s part of America’s proud racist history.
“By 1947 penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Prior to this discovery, syphilis frequently led to a chronic, painful and fatal multisystem disease. Rather than treat all syphilitic subjects with penicillin and close the study, or split off a control group for testing penicillin; the Tuskegee scientists withheld penicillin and information about penicillin, purely to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. Participants were also prevented from accessing syphilis treatment programs that were available to other people in the area. The study continued until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male
Or, for that matters, there was the “Cincinnati Experiments,” in which poor Cincinnatians, 2/3 of whom were African-American, were non-consensually exposed to high doses of radiation. Given Cincinnati’s racial divisions and violent legacy, there’s no doubt about a link to racism.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2002/03/26/tem_book_revisits_uc.html
Yet you racist Wingnuts act as if there’s no historical precedent for Rev. Wright’s accusations, regardless of whether they are true or false. But given your collective ignorance, hypocrisy, and bad faith, maybe the omission isn’t such a surprise.
And as is often the case, Barbara over at Mahablog has a nice takedown of the racist hissy-fits and pearl clutching of the sort we’ve seen on this blog.
“It’s all about fear. Righties base their political choices on what they fear. At the same time, they are drawn to what they fear; they obsess over what they fear. Because they are afraid of angry black men, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a big deal to them. He excites them because he vindicates them.
On the whole, the Left doesn’t react the same way to right-wing craziness. That’s partly because there’s so much of it, of course. We hear about a Republican politician associating with an extremist religious whackjob, and we think, What else is new? And news media, which has bought into the narrative that “religion” is something the Right holds a patent on, doesn’t ask questions about the religiosity of the Right. It’s only a “story” when it’s about the Left.”
http://mahablog.com/
“We hear about a Republican politician associating with an extremist religious whackjob, and we think, What else is new?”
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Key word: THINK.
Those who are capable see this for what it is, those who aren’t capable…
Hey CF2K, Muppet Poster, Theodore Kaszinski wanna-be…
The Tuskegee Experiments happened on the Democratic Congress Party watch and mostly Democratic Party Presidents. Tuskegee Experiment was a clinical study, conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama
So, that finger you’ve been pointing, there’s three fingers and a thumb pointing right back at ya.
So how about a little less B.S. Muppet Head CF2K.
Your B.S. is getting so outrageous, you are now worthy of scroll over by all.
Ad hominem attack #1 from Reguliar.
“Boxlock” fantasizes –
“…it results from the abuse a black candidate takes from his own people and the DemLib. party if he even attempts to run. And that he/she gets voted down by those same racists.”
I think about J.C. Watts. He talked the talk and walked the walk but eventually realized he was a token pawn in the Republic Party strategy.
However sincere he might have been with his conservative beliefs, he was trotted out as the minority spokesman of conservatism only when there was a race angle to the issue. He was called out to dance like a minstrel on cue for the quadrennial sop the GOP gives to counter its obvious institutional racism.
Watts’ daddy once said, “A black man who’s for the Republicans is like a chicken who’s for Colonel Sanders.” His kid finally got the message. And retired from Congress.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
Ad hominem attack #1 from Reguliar.
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Hmmm, I think KansasNative might be CraponAmerica.
There are only two posters, thus far, that have called me Reguliar.
Is CraponAmerica, the hypocrite of many NICS, posting yet under another NIC?
Watch him deny it and watch KansasNative refuse to tell who he was on the old blog.
Both are cowards you know and won’t fess up, they like hiding behind the skirts of their computers.
Ad hominem attack # 2 from Reguliar.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Ad hominem attack # 2 from Reguliar.
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coward
Would you tell us again how distasteful it is to you when you’re accused of being more than one nic day after day?
Ad hominem attack # 3 from Reguliar.
I’m praying for you too Reguliar. Drop your fear and be free!
Yeah, lindainks…
Be accused of being other posters for over a year and a half and see how much you like it.
Of course, I won’t expect any sympathy from you and you have already shown your bare ass aggression towards others who don’t share your narrowed view of life.
So, unless your CraponAmercia, Kansasnative or CF2K, kindly butt out of this dialog. I can handle it myself.
Of course, if you do continue, then you are admitting you are one of the three in my book.
Oh, I was Pepper.
Guess you don’t.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
Ad hominem attack # 3 from Reguliar.
I’m praying for you too Reguliar. Drop your fear and be free!
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The new and reigning champion of WE Blog cowards - kansasnative.
How do you like your new title Ksnative?
The resident blog coward - feel free to donn your chicken suit with the stripe down the back.
bawk bawk bawk…
Ad hominem attacks continue…there goes # 4!
#5.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Oh, I was Pepper.
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Ah, one of the many nics of one of the Libs, who never confessed to multiple nics.
Still a coward and a lightweight in the mental category.
Hmmmm wonder why there is no Open Thread today??
There isn’t one for today, but there is one for tomorrow. Scroll down to find it.
I’m sure glad that Reguliar went to church this morning. I think it prepared him for the hate and bile he’s belching right now.
God loves you Reguliar.
Chas
Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
Hmmmm wonder why there is no Open Thread today??
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Wichita Eagle appears to have employed an amateur programmer.
If you check the archives, you’ll find the open thread for 5/5 is missing and one of the designated topics, this one I believe, is now archived in the open category.
They must have got their blog programmer from the Computer Challenged School of the Illiterate.
Between Open Thread 5/2 and Coverage More Sizzle Than Steak is tomorrow. It might be a perfect place for tomorrow the way today is going.
White pastors get ten times the tromping from anti-social comments. It’s just now starting to affect balck pastors, too.
Sure, it’s not Obama’s fault that Wright is a racist nut but he should have distanced himself earlier instead of making the idiotic comment that he couldn’t disown him.
He may live to regret his “audacity.” ha
On the other hand, McCain may be seeking endorsements from some who have made crappy comments but McCain has been VERY quick to denounce such comments.
Obama’s hesitancy is the problem.
Well, I see it is time for a nap… Looks like this thread has turned into Open Thread for today LOL
Shery_n_Shad
Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
“On the other hand, McCain may be seeking endorsements from some who have made crappy comments but McCain has been VERY quick to denounce such comments.”
Not true obviously:
In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.)
Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton.
Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”
The hilarious thing is that by that comparing Wright to this guy or that that, or better yet, trying to justify what he said, the smug insulting liberals here are doing their part to keep the controversy alive and the damage piling up.
Hillary and John thank you. Keep up the good work.
What counts is what will happen to John Sydney McBush a few months from now.
That is when the true hilarity will start.
It makes me giggle now to think of what’s in store for the thousand year war candidate.
On the other hand, McCain may be seeking endorsements from some who have made crappy comments but McCain has been VERY quick to denounce such comments.
Obama’s hesitancy is the problem.
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BULL F”N SHEET! McCain hasn’t even touched on it! He USED to and now he wants their endorsements so he now smiles and agrees.
There aren’t any videos of McCain’s church but there are plenty of videos of Bush’s buddies like Robertson and Falwell, matter of fact Bush has loaded down the Judicial branch and Executive branch with strong evangelical based graduates.
If McCain wins, those people get to keep their jobs, based solely on which fundy school they graduated from. SO don’t give me that crap.
“Boxlock” spews –
[An all-white Congressional delegation] “results from the abuse a black candidate takes from his own people and the DemLib. party if he even attempts to run. And that he/she gets voted down by those same racists.”
Uhm. No.
J.C. Watts had a safe congressional district in Oklahoma. He talked the talk and did his best to walk the walk until he realized he wasn’t going to climb any higher in the Republic Party hierarchy. So he quit.
There’s a grand ol’ Southern tradition that most people don’t want to talk about these days because it’s not politically correct or runs counter to the interests of the contemporary confederate-oriented Republic Party. But it’s in the political DNA of modern American conservatives. It’s the concept of the “house nigger.”
A house nigger was the “tamed” slave who could dress up and serve as butler or valet or tutor or cook… who would “behave themselves.” It’s part of what made southern aristocracy possible.
Part of the Republic Party’s lies created poor Alan Keys, who thinks if he parrots traditional Republic Party dogma, his pigmentation might not matter to GOP voters. How’s that worked out for ya, Al?
Every philosophy and political concept that can be attributed to the contemporary Republic Party was presented elequently by Alan Keyes. Wonder why it never got any traction with the rank-and-file Republic Party voter?
I always liked that quote from J.C. Watts’ daddy who said, “Any black man who’s a Republican is like a chicken for Colonel Sanders.”
His kid got the message. Eventually.
“What if Timothy McVeigh was a liberal professor.”
Billy Ayers did not kill 168 innocent people - he didn’t kill anyone.
“Ah, one of the many nics of one of the Libs, who never confessed to multiple nics.”
JM, Republikhan, Blog Monitor. Republican, James McCluer, Eier, TT, Regular, etc. etc. etc.
Whatever.
Hypocrisy, thy name is McCluer.
Ayers has never been convicted of a crime.
TT?
Now that’s a new one. Who is TT?
Oh btw, CraponAmerica still holds the record for the WE Blog for the number of nics used and switched.
So the phrase,
Hypocrisy, thy name is
applies more to the Crapn, because is the record holding nic switcher and liar on this blog.
Gosh, Ben, you listen to some of the Reich Wingers, you would think Ayers is still a wanted man or Treason or some such thing… LOL
bth
Posted May 4, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
Ayers has never been convicted of a crime.
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Neither has Osama Bin Laden.
Doesn’t mean that complicity in the acts didn’t involve Ayers by method, design or support.
Always thought Ayers case was dimissed by a Court… Cant say the same about Bin Ladin
But what does Ayers have to do with THIS thread, anyway??
“Oh btw, CraponAmerica still holds the record for the WE Blog for the number of nics used and switched.”
Damn, McCluer, you even made up a nic to compliment yourself on being the “leader of the conservative movement on the blog.”
If that is not some kind of record, I don’t know what would be.
If you look in the urban dictionary for “nic switcher” you’ll find a picture of Mississippi Jim McCluer.
If you look in the urban dictionary for WSClark, you’ll find it under “Chronic Alcoholic.”
Regular
Posted May 4, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink
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Your day will come Crapn.
When I find out your real name and address. I will insure every “swinging Ricardo” knows what an Internet arch loch you are. I will post it here, on private Websites, notify your friends, family and anyone generally interested.
You will rue the day you even tested my will. The clock is ticking on the unrepentant CraponAmerica.
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What’s a “swinging Ricardo”? and “arch loch”?
SPIN SPIN SPIN. How easy it is to spin. The favorite spin of the fundies is this 20 year thing. OK, I will play along. That would make Obama 26 years old when he showed the so called “poor judgment” of beginning a association with Wright. Now we have someone in their 70s, supposedly older and wiser being associated with another controversial religious figure. You see how easy it was to spin. Don’t tell me, let me guess, we need to wait 20 years first. Now why don’t we stay on topic and you tell me how Hagee is acceptable and Wright is unacceptable. No spin about 20 years. How is Hagee acceptable if Wright is not. Remember, ONE STANDARD, not a double standard.
Native, what Thread is that from, please? Thanks!!
Chas
Speed and motorcycles kill…
Nasty and vile stuff huh?!
Native —
Uh huh… quite!!
Native, it seems to have been “removed” by the Editors!! Amazing!!
Never mind Native — I found it!!
My goof!! — But maybe it should have been removed by the Editors… looks like a personal threat to me!!
Hmmm…
it’s still there Chas almost to the bottom between two posts by Mary.
Look again please.
So right Chas…worst I’ve ever seen on a blog.
I’ll call Brownlee Monday and complain.
Doesn’t anyone from Kansas realize that the Republicans would rather have McCain running against Hilary than Obama.. so the powers that be..will keep Rev. Wright in the news as long as possible. They know Obama truly has the best interests of the American citizens in his heart. The Clintons will be easy to take down with their history…not so Obama. Give the young people of this country a chance…get rid of the old, “experienced”, politicos now.
But anyway…what the hell is a “swinging Ricardo” and an “arch loch”?
The first seems like maybe an ethnic slur, the second a typo?
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
So right Chas…worst I’ve ever seen on a blog.
I’ll call Brownlee Monday and complain.
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Go ahead and complain wussy, it won’t save the Crapn.
Notice how duh Libs give the Crapn excuses posting people’s private data online, but when he gets shackled to the same wall, his tattle tale wussy friends go cry to momma Brownlee.
Such wimps and girly men.
Jackie, you may be right but the polls from Oregon seem to indicate that Obama isn’t getting support from the young.
Hillary is getting the support there from those with income under $40,000 and that would be most young people.
Oregon is a pretty liberal state too!
Also, Hillary has been tested and vetted over and over again and still is doing well even among Republicans who do not want a hundred year war in Iraq.
She does well among Catholics who are overwelmingly Republican.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
But anyway…what the hell is a “swinging Ricardo” and an “arch loch”?
The first seems like maybe an ethnic slur, the second a typo?
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I’d explain it to you, but subtle humor loses its effect on simple minds.
I see the troll-boy, McLiar, is at it again today.
A “Swinging Ricardo” sounds strangely akin to a “Dirty Sanchez,” which might reveal another one of “Regular’s” favorite obsessions.
“Such wimps and girly men.”
At least we are not virgins.
Dems and Liberals ARE far more racist. They don’t believe blacks can make it without their enslaving entitlement packages camouflaged as affirmative action, welfare, etc.
And yes, they attack any black that runs as a Republican as being, how is it you Dems put it, “house niggers”, “Uncle Toms” or whatever. You DemLibs know those terms better than anyone since you invented and use them, I don’t and just pulled them from your posts.
I may have missed somethings to respond to above, but that’s going to happen as I consider your crap ’scroll-over’ anymore.
Three simple concepts, Biblical in nature, things I believe in and much of the Republican philosophy ascribes to, though with imperfect application as is human, but seem to be the antithesis of the DemLibs. That is if the DemLibs here are representative of the party as a hole, which it seems anyway. Not an abridged list, by the way.
Responsibility:
You may NOT compel another’s labor, or take from it. Do not steal!
Self-sufficiency:
You are absolutely responsible for yourself (thoughts, actions, being, private property both physical and intellectual).
You may not covet!
Defense:
Self-defense is assumed, it’s a right.
Defense of others necessary.
Do not allow murder (the willful taking of life), adultery, stealing etc.!
As I said you DemLibs represent the antithesis of those moral laws.
“As I said you DemLibs represent the antithesis of those moral laws.” [Boxlock]
And exactly what would you offer as proof of this rather biased statement?? Hmmmm??
J.C. Watts had a safe congressional district in Oklahoma. He talked the talk and did his best to walk the walk until he realized he wasn’t going to climb any higher in the Republic Party hierarchy. So he quit.
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BS… I dare you , MonkeyHawk, to show us any evidence that J.C. Watts left public life for the reason you stated. I dare you.
Why again did you call Clarence Thomas “Scalia’s BOY” if you aren’t a racist?
And thank all of you for keeping this Rev Wright - Barack Obama association on the front burner.
We all know MonkeyHock is a racist there Outlander.
He loves using the “N” word at every opportunity and for some reason he knows all the key issues on the subject.
Quite telling about his racist views and attitude.
Let’s see now…ad hominem attack # 15 or 16?
It must be a sad life you lead to hate so much.
God loves you Reguliar and one day you will stop being afraid and you will know the truth.
Chas Posted May 4, 2008 at 5:21 pm |
“As I said you DemLibs represent the antithesis of those moral laws.” [Boxlock]
“And exactly what would you offer as proof of this rather biased statement?? Hmmmm??”
Chas, just read the posts on this blog for your answer.
Responsibility:
You may not compel another’s labor, or steal from it.
The redistribution of wealth, affirmative action, excessive welfare at a cost to someone else = stealing! The DemLibs advocate it.
Defense:
The denial of one’s right to same = the continual attempt at restrictive gun laws. DemLibs advocate it.
Defense of others, violation of the defense of the innocent and helpless = abortion. The DemLibs advocate it.
Self-sufficiency:
Responsibility for yourself (thoughts, actions, being, one’s own welfare, not coveting others things and labors = not stealing and coveting. The DemLibs advocate it.
All these negative aspects presented have repeatedly been advocated by the DemLibs over and over, who then claim anyone not agreeing is selfish and evil. Worse yet they make these things apart of their political platform to buy votes from those who are duped into thinking they will be getting something FREE or gaining freedom.
Chas, it’s spring outside, in case you hadn’t noticed, oh…excuse me, let me use a term from the DemLib bible, the ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’ is increasing rapidly, and I’ve got better things to do than ‘play’ in here.
I would like to respect you, or anyone, when requested to respond to what I post, but to tell you the truth I’m starting to feel like I am playing in the dirt with some of these folks, and it’s making me feel dirty. I don’t like that, and no one is going to ‘enlighten’ or change anyone’s mind anyway, so the only entertainment is negatively attaching others and that’s dirty.
I may be back later….then again maybe not, we’ll see.
Boxlock — you didnt provide any proof except for your previous line of BS!! You sound like a good ol’ John Bircher!! LOL
“The denial of one’s right to same = the continual attempt at restrictive gun laws. DemLibs advocate it.”
Which Democrat Candidate has proposed any restrictive gun laws in this campaign?? Can you name one??
“Responsibility:
You may not compel another’s labor, or steal from it. The redistribution of wealth, affirmative action, excessive welfare at a cost to someone else = stealing! The DemLibs advocate it.”
Where do you Right Wingers keep coming up with this total nonsense about “redistribution of wealth” — And what is WRONG pray tell, with affirmative action??
[scratching head] Opposing affirmative action is at the least borderline racist commentary..
The only redistribution of wealth that I see is from the pockets of the poor and middle class to Cheney’s bosses at Halliburton.
Chas, your arguments is disingenuous and you are also lazy.
I stated where you can find ‘proof’, its all over the blog, I’m not taking my time to entertain you. You go look….it’s all there.
Much of the DemLibs make-up, their political platform, philosophy, et al. is a lie and immoral.
You go check it out. Like I said though, you won’t change me and I realize I won’t change you if you don’t want to be.
A snake is just always going to be a snake when it comes to the worst of the DemLibs.
I don’t think much of the concept of eternal predestination but the DemLibs make for a pretty good argument that some people are just inherently evil and always will be.
Now that ought to get a rise going…see, I can’t help it, it’s just to much fun, and so predictable, how the DemLibs respond. Watch. Like very simple but repulsive organisms.
Where do you Right Wingers keep coming up with this total nonsense about “redistribution of wealth” — And what is WRONG pray tell, with affirmative action??
According to that Black Minister I referenced the other day, Affirmative Action means that as a Black Man you are admitting inferiority and cannot make it on your own merit.
His words, not mine.
KansasNaive, yeah….but you’re blind.
KansasNative
Posted May 4, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
Let’s see now…ad hominem attack # 15 or 16?
It must be a sad life you lead to hate so much.
God loves you Reguliar and one day you will stop being afraid and you will know the truth.
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Here count this and rotate on it.
(holds up middle finger and swirls it around)
I have to assume, Boxlock, that since you refer to the posts on the Blog to prove your point, that you really dont have anything except to say that is what you happen to “believe”…. Thats fine… Just say it that way… I prefer to have some kind of proof to take any body seriously that chooses to make the kind of accusatory statements you have made here, and not to mention that you didnt even bother to answer my two direct challenges… Have a nice evening, Boxlock… BTW, you might check out the Wisconsin Synod… They are much more conservative than the MO Synod… Oh, and there would also be the Association of Free Lutherans… more conservative yet…
Maybe they have robe rental in Wisconsin?
And then Reguliar you can eat it correct?
Sad little single man.
Boxlock, why is it that those with whom you disagree, are named, by you, as Evil?? What kind of self-righteous, self-appointed, superior existence gives you such a right as determining that??
You know, those with whom you disagree could just as easily determine that YOU are the Great Satan… Such as what the radical Islamists call the West (and US in particular)…
James, I DO hope you plan on washing your middle finger… my goodness!! Such a vile person!!
They are grumpy, but hey, their nominee is decided and BOTH those who may be the Democratic Parties nominee is betting theirs in head-to-head matches. Maybe with any luck the most vile will just disappear as their political fortunes worsen.
betting = beating.
I wouldnt count on that, Linda… but, its a nice thought
But with our new format we do have the poster’s nic listed first — that helps!
You are right Linda in that the Republicans have picked a loser and the posters here know it.
Remember Bob Dole in 1996? He was a wash from the gitgo.
Native — Do you remember what Dole said when he madE HIS CONCESSION SPEECH TO cLINTON?? how he vowed to do anything possible to bring doiwn the clinton presidency??
Chas I don’t remember that. Ol’ Bob just didn’t git her done though did he?
Close..but Clinton survived.
The thought occurs to me he may just have given it a good ol’ “true blue” KS try!! (as in the color of a certain dress)
Ooops! Open Thread 5/5 is history.
By the way Reguliar, did your poopsicle taste good?
Of course it didn’t stink since I made it for ya!
” They don’t believe blacks can make it without their enslaving entitlement packages camouflaged as affirmative action, welfare, etc.
Republicans are equal opportunity assholes.
They demand EVERYONE suck up to some exploiter for their sustenance. The prime reason for this is that at their base they ARE the exploiters.
“Do not steal”
This is misinterpreted. Scolars believe the original meaning here was far less solid.
For instance, a hungry person would not be sinning or breaking God’s laws if he went into another man’s field and ate his crops. This was not considered stealing.
Blue Jay points out >>>>
“For instance, a hungry person would not be sinning or breaking God’s laws if he went into another man’s field and ate his crops. This was not considered stealing.”
Reference: The Book of Ruth — O. T.
Heh heh.
Regular is pretty much what you think he would look like from his posts here.
oooooohhhhhhh
BlueJay posts:
“For instance, a hungry person would not be sinning or breaking God’s laws if he went into another man’s field and ate his crops. This was not considered stealing.”
What a crock of stink….he would be put to death.
The reference, I think, Chas refers to in Ruth doesn’t give permission to steal. Here what Ruth Chapter 2 basically says;
Naomi and Ruth return to Bethlehem at barley harvest time. They’re flat broke. Ruth goes to glean in the fields, collecting the grain left behind by the harvesters. (Leviticus, Chapter 19, orders farmers to leave gleanings for the poor. This is one of many examples of Ruth showing us Bible laws in practice.) Ruth doesn’t yet know it, but she happens to glean the field of Boaz, a relative of Naomi’s dead husband Elimelech. (Like all good love stories, Ruth begins with a case of confused identity.) Boaz shows up in the field and hears that Naomi’s daughter-in-law has been gleaning. He immediately invites her to drink his water and glean from all his fields. He calls her “daughter”—another brilliant plot device since it distracts us from the idea that they could ever marry. She asks why he’s being so kind to a stranger, and he says he heard how good she was to his kinswoman Naomi. He invites her to eat and drink with him and quietly orders his workers to leave extra stalks so she can glean more.
She is given permission, get it permission. And they are only to take the gleanings, that which is left AFTER the harvest.
Guys, are you that ignorant of this stuff, please get a guide and read it for yourself.
JR, quit trying to shape the world and scripture into what you want it to say to give you permission to live off others. It ain’t gone’a happen.
BlueJay
Posted May 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
Heh heh.
Regular is pretty much what you think he would look like from his posts here.
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Yeah, Junior aka J R aka Bluejay aka JBird was too chicken and not man enough to stop by at the meetup.
So the only thing the coward BlueJay has to do is insult behind his computer screen.
And he has proven himself a coward many times over. The biggest chicken on the blog, besides Clark who won’t even show up for a meet up anytime anyplace, so he makes up places he was supposed to be.
Boxlock, the growers are committed by LAW to permit the poor to glean in the fields… AND they are committed by LAW to leave some of their crop behind for the gleaners…
So, essentially what Blue Jay says is true… but you insist on putting a spin on it that isnt in the Text…
Basically, Ruth and Naomi chose to be bag ladies of Jerusalem, if you would, rather than be Slaves in Moab.
Link:
http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/book_of_ruth.htm
And she departed and went and gleaned in the field after the reapers; and she happened to come to the portion of the field belonging to Boaz, who was of the family of Elimelech.
Now behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem and said to the reapers, “May the Lord be with you.” And they said to him, “May the Lord bless you.”
Then Boaz said to his servant who was in charge of the reapers, “Whose young woman is this?”
And the servant in charge of the reapers answered and said, “She is the young Moabite woman who returned with Naomi from the land of Moab. And she said, “Please let me glean and gather after the reapers among the sheaves.’ Thus she came and has remained from the morning until now; she has been sitting in the house for a little while.”
Then Boaz said to Ruth, “Listen care-fully, my daughter. Do not go to glean in another field; furthermore, do not go on from this one, but stay here with my maids. Let your eyes be on the field which they reap, and go after them. Indeed, I have commanded the servants not to touch
you. When you are thirsty, go to the water jars and drink from what the servants draw.”
They were to leave what was left after the harvest, there was never permission to steal. They could not go into another man’s field and eat his crops, only what was left.
Chas is full of beans as usual, boxlock was accurate on his description. Of course, Chas is too scared too announce his name on the blog, so we can look for proof of his ordination that he claims to have.
Gleaning defined;
1. To gather after a reaper; to collect in scattered or
fragmentary parcels, as the grain left by a reaper, or
grapes left after the gathering.
[1913 Webster]
“JR, quit trying to shape the world and scripture into what you want it to say to give you permission to live off others.”
Nah. You’re the one tried to use it to justify forcing people to work FOR others.
And it was not my meetup so not my call on meeting you. But I was there.
Boxlock states >>>>
“They could not go into another man’s field and eat his crops, only what was left.”
That is exactly what I already said… SO, if regular things I am wrong, then Boxlock must also be wrong… LOL
What a racist and biased statment by the Wichita Eagle!
“What if Wright were white and right wing?”
What difference does color and political direction make?
To the Eagle, EVERYTHING.
BlueJay