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On Thursday night, part two of “Hillary in the No Spin Zone” aired, and she was asked questions on the topics of foreign policy, the War on Terror, and illegal immigration. When Bill O’Reilly turned to the immigration debate, he asked, “Will you shut down sanctuary cities?” Hillary responded, “No, I will not.”

According to a new report from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the illegal immigrant population within the United States currently exceeds 13 million, an estimate that has almost doubled since 2000. Given this increasing trend, Hillary’s response should be frightening to American families, who are forced to live with frequent criminal activity committed by illegals in sanctuary cities. Even during the Senate debate of the Grand Amnesty bill last year, Senator Clinton voted against the Coleman Amendment which would have banned sanctuary cities (Roll Call 177).

“It is an outrage that Hillary Clinton is running to become President of the United States, yet she is openly admitting that she will not enforce America’s laws,” said Eagle Forum Executive Director Jessica Echard.

When new facts are available or the situation changes after the initial decision was made, intelligent people reassess and change accordingly.

I wish bush had the sense to change course. I wish he had the humility to admit mistakes. Our world would be safer.

McCain promises to stay bush’s failed course.

No mention of McCain being against bush’s tax cuts before he was for them? No mention of McCain being against permanent occupation of Iraq before he was for permanent occupation of Iraq. Guess these are just too trivial to mention. Bet we could come up with more than five flip flops for McCain! Those two are just off the top of my head.

Equal time demands a list of all of the recent, um, “repositioning” on the part of Straight Talk. Here, therefore, is a partial list of McCain’s top 11 flip-flops: will be back with more later.

“* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.”

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

McCain came under criticism (but not in the Eagle) for paying discounted prices for campaign flights on his wife’s (or wife’s company’s) plane, even though a few yrs. ago he insisted that presidential candidates pay the full rate.

ksgrm - maybe CF2K was just trying to bring a bit of “Fair and Balanced” to the MSM!

I know some dumocrats won’t go and read the article, so reposting Osama Obama’s flip flops from the topic’s referenced article.

“1. Special Interests
Back in January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the Clinton and Edwards campaign as “special interest” money. He changed his tune as he went after union endorsements himself. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of “working people” and says he is “thrilled” by their support.

2. Public Financing
Obama replied “yes” in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. His spokesman now says that he never gave such a pledge, and Obama himself has attached several conditions, including regulating spending by outside groups.

3. The Cuba embargo
In January 2004, Obama said flatly that it was time “to end the embargo with Cuba,” because it had “utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro.” Speaking to a Cuban-American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not “take off the embargo” as president because it was “an important inducement for change.”

4. Illegal immigration
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should “crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants.” He replied “Oppose.” In a televised debate on January 31, he said that “we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation.”

5. Decriminalization of Marijuana
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the October 30, 2007 presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.”

Oh, and my personal favorite.

Osama Obama was “fer” Reverend Wright before he was “agin” him.

(chortles)

Regular, I wish that YOU would stop flip-flopping. Is Osama Obama (satire on)[hmm are they brothers?] (satire off) an elitist, or is he the trailer trash that he has trouble reaching? What I mean by trailer trash is someone who is “fer” or “agin” someone. Would you be so courteous as to decide first what you are going to “Chortle” about?

Isn’t that an oxymoron regular?

No defense for the Flippers.

Just accuse the opponent of being a bigger liar then your own candidate.

“Clinton Sucks Less!”

Rage, didn’t you get the email? Republicans don’t flip flop. Only liberals flip flop (sarcasm off)

Great point BTH. I wish Kerry had said such a thing. He could easily have said something to the effect of “I made a mistake and trusted this president. That’s not a mistake I plan on making again.”

I made a mistake and trusted this president.

Basically what John Edwards said, a year too late.

The candidate who “sucks less” is usually the one who gets my vote. It’s not a terribly uncommon proposition.

In 2004, the one who “sucked less” even got money from me.

Writer, In some ways I will have to agree with Max. If Obama steps down and explains it so that Wright is the culprit. Hillary will have an appeal to independents. She has punched her ticket with the independents going on Billo. She won’t have a Wright, but McCain will have his Hagee. Plus, we all know that McCain has nothing on Hillary that won’t be “preaching to the choir” anyway. No pun intended. As much as I hate the idea. I’m afraid Hillary has a better chance against McCain unless more independents see the hypocrisy of tolerating Hagee any sooner. Tomorrow will tell.

Jed, have you noticed on this thread how those most pro-Bush are those griping about Hillary lying?

Ghot that wouldn’t be me because I have voiced my problems with Bush on numerous ocassions.

Maggotpunk
Posted May 5, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink
Ahhh, corporate media giving McCain another pass. But perhaps it’s because they couldn’t decide between McCain’s top 20 flip flops. Sometimes he changes his position twice in the same day.
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How’s it hanging cuz?

Spit on any right wingers today?

Me! Me! I want a turn!
Here are some more McSame flip flops:
1) Says he denounces the influence of special interests–and takes more money from the cable industry than almost anyone.
2) Says he denounces the influence of lobbyists–and the top four people in his campaign are lobbyists.
3) Did everything he could to kill the previous Boeing tanker deal–now questions the Airbus deal?
4) And before (1): the Keating Five.

Hillary Clinton is obviously suggesting that the super-delegates decide the election for the democrats:

“Clinton suggested anew she had no intention of dropping out, saying on ABC, “When the process finishes in early June, people can look at all the various factors and decide who would be the strongest candidate” to go up against McCain.”

After the process finishes - only the superdelegates can decide anything.

Thanks Controversy. I had forgotten all about McCain and his tanker deal. The irony is that the same good-old boy, union members who think that they are republicans may still vote for McCain. I suppose they have their pascal lamb in Tiahrt. Fine with me, I didn’t like the guy anyway. But I stray off topic.

So Clinton didn’t flip-flop on her new entitlement programs?

1. Giving every child born in the United States a $5,000 gift. (Is this retroactive, if so I could support it)

2. Giving families $1,000 in annual matching funds into a 401(k) retirement account.

Some people seem to never question the unrealistic and unfunded implications of anything Hillary Clinton says.

mrcontroversy
Posted May 5, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
Me! Me! I want a turn!
Here are some more McSame flip flops:
1) Says he denounces the influence of special interests–and takes more money from the cable industry than almost anyone.
2) Says he denounces the influence of lobbyists–and the top four people in his campaign are lobbyists.
3) Did everything he could to kill the previous Boeing tanker deal–now questions the Airbus deal?
4) And before (1): the Keating Five.

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Quiet Mr. C, or I’ll have the FCC take down your “coat hanger” antenna array.

(smirks)
(joking)

Candidates flip flop that’s what they do unless unless their your guy then they just compromise or had a ephinay over a issue, or like most of us they changed mind based on situation, on facts, maturing, or the cynic in me says their all pandering for votes, who knows?

I think a sign of an intelligent person is that they change their mind on an issue, whenever their original decision becomes unpopular. Then you admit you made a mistake, correct yourself and move forward - until you have to change your mind again.

Like Heelary has done several times regarding the Iraq war.

For it.
Against it.
For it.
Against it.
For it.
Against it.

A strong leader makes decisions based on popular opinion as measured by the polls.

The tough decisions, like The Buck, stops with The People.

Speaking of flip-flops:

Has anyone every noticed that morbidly obese people tend to wear flip flops?

“Never dod she vote to go to war. the authorization was to bring pressure to force saddam to allow inspectors back in and to give them unfettered access.”

Sorry bth, Hillary “did” vote to go to war. It doesn’t say any of the happy horseshi- you posted:

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

“As compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )

Vote Number: 237
Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result:
Joint Resolution Passed
Measure Number: H.J.Res. 114

Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Vote Counts: YEAs 77 NAYs 23

Clinton (D-NY), Yea

(read the title of the measure. No apology needed. We know it’s the season for any reason. Apparently, it isn’t just Hillary who is a liar.)

The key word is ‘authorized’. During the debate it was indicated that the authorization would be the club to force Saddam to submit to inspections - which he did. And, as I noted, she was extremeyl foolish to give Bush that authority.

Regular, picture how lovely Heelary would be wearing flip-flops!

To get the resolution passed bush said he needed the threat of authorization to take action to keep the vote from failing.
He lied, over 4000 died.

“To get the resolution passed bush”

And now the Phantom performs the shuffle, mixed with a little running flaps, and sugar. A pretty good hoofer - look at those legs moving across the floor.

A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq

Is that like McLame’s ‘cover’ for his 100-year war in Iraq? Or his wanting to start one in Iran?

Bushies are just so dumb, why do I waste my time?
From a 2994 article: ” Bush administration officials responded that only a stronger UN resolution, backed up by the threat of military force, would give inspectors the access and abilities necessary to uncover any illegal WMD activities. Doubts remained, however, regarding the potential efficacy of the UNMOVIC inspections themselves, given Iraq’s proven record of concealment and deception.”
http://www.nti.org/f_wmd411/f2e2.html

Hey, I think that one of Obama’s biggest flip flops is first electing not to throw Pastor Wright under the bus and then throwing him under the bus anyway.

Sounds like he is unable to judge someone’s character.

Guess who McCain Should throw under a bus.
“Neither presidential candidates nor anyone else should be held responsible for the views of those who support them, unless the candidate seeks out that support and/or expressly welcomes it. With regard to Pastor John Hagee, that is precisely what McCain has done — repeatedly. He was introduced by Hagee at a South Carolina campaign event last year, an event proudly displayed on McCain’s campaign website. McCain expressed how “honored” and “pleased” he was over Hagee’s endorsement multiple times yesterday. And just this afternoon, McCain issued yet another pro-Hagee statement when asked about Hagee’s repellent history:

I don’t have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions. . . .

And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee’s spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues.

As has been noted many times, most recently today by Matt Yglesias, Hagee’s so-called “commitment to Israel” actually means that he wants Israel united so that the Rapture can happen and all Jews, including Israelis, will be slaughtered and sent to hell. And the “spiritual leadership” which McCain heralds consists of calling the Catholic Church the “Mother Whore” and a “cult” and arguing that Hurricane Katrina, which resulted in the devastation of tens of thousands of lives, was God’s punishment against New Orleans because it scheduled a gay pride parade that week.

The MSM conveniently evades such issues, when it involves McCain and a RW preacher. Giving McCain a free ride like they gave bush.

Ghoti,
“Jed, have you noticed on this thread how those most pro-Bush are those griping about Hillary lying?”

All politicians lie; we make them do it. Those that fail to tell us the lies we want to hear end up not getting elected.