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Regular: I apologize for my comments last night. I’m sorry for what I posted. I let something another poster wrote get to me. I lost my self discipline and in the heat of the moment, did not stop to think that you are doing your part in your way – and no one has any right to question.

WriterDog: This one is harder, but I’m sorry I came unglued in response to your post. Something about it made me go over the edge. You have a son serving this nation and for that you too are part of the military family. I was wrong. I was also wrong to question your loyality and love of this country. I don’t know what the heck I was thinking. If I was to meet you on the street, at a parade, or on post or station, I would be shaking your hand and telling you how proud I am of you and your son’s service. After reading my post, I’m sure your family situation right now, to include a fresh new daughter-in-law? is not very different from my own and those I know serving today. I am grateful for your entire families sacrafice for this nation in time of war.
Sorry.

Good morning AmWay!

The ‘dog is a pretty good guy, however, he owes me a jelly donut!

GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE

The solar minimum continues. No sunspot activity. New cycle now delayed about 1 year. See current photo of sun.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

“The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth’s climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-5013480,00.html

P_Mom,

Talk to Hank. I think he stated he would be putting one together.

They could have been changed…they all didn’t have to happen at all had people been more critical of the information given and stopped being so partisan and actually thought of America first.

This war has had an enormous toll, and I have no patience at all for Bush apologists.

AmWay, keep playing with em. I love your legislative updates, and it’s killing em wondering who you are and how you get this info.

And to Chas, if it’s information about what Government is doing, it must be illegally obatined. Government shouldn’t be transparent and accountable to the people. The actions of the State Legislature are not public info?

Hmmm….Marxist State is what some would prefer – as long as you get free stuff and don’t have to work.

The details in your updates AmWay paint the picture of our corrupt and incompetent Government, a picture many do not want The People to see. If enough People actually paid attention to the details, they’d find that’s where the devil is and they’d get p-o enough to perhaps even make some change happen in our government. But, most just want to sit around and btich, and hold their hand out.

AmWay, whoever you are, keep up the informative posts! Eventually, the info about our Government in action (or inaction) might trickle thru the thick skulls of some of the whiners and complainers, and MAYBE they will get off their a** and do something other then btich about it.

What’s with all the mea culpas today? When the RW repubs. apologizes for calling anyone who initially opposed this Iraq fiasco ‘terrorist sympathizers’, ‘traitors’, and ‘unamerican’ (among a few of the insults), then maybe a mea culpa might be appropriate.
Especially since even knowing what they do now, the 27%ers would do it all over!

ROFL, I told you Hank (damn it hard to laugh and type at the same time!!!) name your poison! Jelly is open to many different flavors. You pick your favorite and you can have one or a box load!

In other news, oil hits new peak for the fifth straight day.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080509/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc_40

“keep up the informative posts”

Thanks Max. Not sure why someone from Des Plaines would care to read them, but you’ve probably seen the last of them for sometime. Except maybe for a quick post at the end of the month.

I should have more time for posting normal conservative opinions which get labled perverse, convoluted, neocon, religious rightist, evil republican type posts.

Last night, while idly channel-surfing the vast wasteland of available offerings for non-cable subscribers, I clicked on one of the fundamentalist-dominated channels. Normally, I would pass this by, but the beauteous face of Eduardo Verastegui stopped me in my tracks.

This gentleman was the lead actor in “Bella”, a wonderful film which I first viewed on Thanksgiving evening. If the film’s creators and thespians had equated all pro-choice womem with something on the menu at Wendy’s (The Baconator)…..if they had callously dismissed women’s sufferings through the decades in one fell, foul swoop…..if they had stooped to name-calling before the opening credits rolled, I would have walked out.

And what a cinematic jewel I would have missed.

As the stunningly handsome Verastegui attested last night, this is the way to touch hearts and restore hope (or, in my case, to create hope where none existed).

Let this film be a lesson to the most virulent of anti’s: You won’t transform others by alienating them in the extreme.

A pregnant, unemployed and massively depressed teenager cannot do it alone, however much my giving birth would have been the most moral choice. In my case, I do indeed believe this to be so. Yet……

What would you have had me do, I ask you? Stand at the entrance to I-70, thumb aloft, with a sign saying, “Preggo in Need?” greeting the prurient and noncommittal? A crisis pregnancy demands the best of everyone: the clergy, family, educators, parents, friends and, of course, myself.

Hays Kansas is a helluva long way away from Southern California. The landscape is far improved nowadays, thank goodness. My former confessor was instrumental in eliminating the parochial schools’ policy of automatically expelling pregnant teenagers. I am grateful and respectful of this. Most individuals have real families, real connections with their significant others, and the love and support of those important to them.

I had none of this.

But I am grateful for the gift of “Bella” and shall remain so for the rest of my life. Some months ago, I received an e-mail from a priest who reviewed the film nearly one year ago. He didn’t call me names. He didn’t lambast me for my waistline. Astonishingly, he conveyed that he had given thought to what I had said. Finally, he was glad the film had moved me so.

Let this be a lesson to anti-choice activists: This is a wonderful way to touch hearts. Name-calling, whether toward Hillary Clinton, Dr. Tiller and/or his staff – is not.

“calling anyone who initially opposed this Iraq fiasco”

Phantom it had nothing to do with someones stand on the war nor opposition/support of Bush. At least for me anyway. It’s over.

Des Plaines, right AmWay. LOL.

Never said where I was, but many are dying to know. And Davis I know misses me very much when I’m gone.

Could be in Timbuktu for all anyone knows.

Look at how the Union helped protect Illegal Immigrants! I thought the Union helped AMERICAN workers!

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS03/80508024/0/NEWS03

Guilty verdict in Swift case
ASSOCIATED PRESS • May 8, 2008

A former union representative who helped illegal workers get jobs at a Swift & Co. meatpacking plant in Marshalltown was found guilty of federal immigration charges today.

A jury found Braulio Pereyra-Gabino guilty of harboring illegal immigrants but acquitted him on other charges that included false use of a Social Security number and aggravated identity theft.

He faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Pereyra-Gabino was working as vice president of Local 1149 of the United Food and Commercial Workers union when he was arrested by federal immigration officials in July 2007.

Prosecutors contend that he told undocumented workers how to escape detection and protect their fake identities used to get jobs at the Marshalltown plant.

Hey, Max, when we put Obama in the White House, the first thing he’s going to do is confiscate all your guns. Then he’s going to melt them down and stamp peace signs out of them and force you stick one on your car.

Then he’s going to take all your money and give it to people who mainline heroin and cocaine.

Just thought I’d warn you.

92 year old woman – victim of the war on drugs.

Ex-cop: Officers routinely lied to obtain search warrants

By STEVE VISSER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/08/08
A former Atlanta police officer testified Thursday that narcotics officers routinely lied under oath when seeking search warrants — a practice that led to police killing a 92-year-old woman.
Former Detective Gregg Junnier told a Fulton County jury that detectives would tell judges that they had verified their informants had bought cocaine from dealers by searching them for drugs before the buy took place.

“I have never seen anyone searched before they go into the house ” I’ve never seen that done ” even though officers always swear to it,” Junnier said. “It’s done that way in 90 percent of the warrants that are written.”
But it wasn’t just lies to get the warrant to search Kathryn Johnston’s home that made Junnier uneasy, he said. He had an inkling something was wrong when he and Officer Jason R. Smith were leading the narcotics team to the front door. He said the northwest Atlanta house differed from the informant’s description.
“I said, ‘Man, this doesn’t look right,’ and he said, ‘I know,’ ” Junnier testified. ” ‘I said what do you want to do.’ He said, ‘Hit it.’”
A minute later, Johnston was lying on her floor, dying.
Junnier testified at the Superior Court trial of one of his former partners, Arthur Tesler, who was guarding the back of Johnston’s Neal Street home on that day, Nov. 21, 2006.
Junnier and Smith pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and face up to 10 and 12 years in prison, respectively, depending on their cooperation. Tesler faces 15 years on charges of lying in an official investigation, violating his oath as an officer and false imprisonment, a charge stemming from illegally surrounding Johnston’s house.
Junnier, whose confession unraveled the case, is to testify again today.
“I have already asked for forgiveness from God and everybody I can,” he said.
On the day of the raid, Junnier said he knew Smith had lied to a magistrate to get the no-knock warrant — which allows police to break in before identifying themselves — to seize the cocaine they had been told was in the house.
Junnier testified that Smith, who had sworn out the warrant, had lied about more than searching the informant for drugs. Smith swore that a reliable confidential informant had bought cocaine from the Johnston house, Junnier said. In actuality, he said, they relied on Fabian Sheats, a low-level dealer arrested earlier that day.
Junnier said they had confidence in Sheats’ descriptions, which detailed the drugs, location and a dealer named “Sam,” whom Sheats said worked from the house.
He said the chance to seize a kilo — 2.2 pounds — of cocaine also drove the officers, who normally made arrests for much smaller amounts.
In the raid, police fired 39 shots. Junnier was shot in the face, chest and leg. Two other officers were also wounded. Investigators determined Johnston had fired one round from a revolver; the officers were shot in their own crossfire.
Junnier described entering Johnston’s house: “She was still alive. She was gasping for air. I heard … the order to cuff her.”
Later that day, he said, the cover-up began.

WASHINGTON – Former CIA operative Valerie Plame is trying to resurrect a lawsuit against those in the Bush administration she says illegally disclosed her identity.

A federal judge dismissed Plame’s lawsuit last year, saying there was no basis to bring a case. Plame’s lawyers asked a federal appeals court Friday to send the case back before the judge and force him to consider its merits.

Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, sued Vice President Dick Cheney; his former chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby; former White House political adviser Karl Rove and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

Plame’s CIA position was revealed in a syndicated newspaper column in 2003, during a time when her husband was criticizing the march to war in Iraq. Armitage and Rove were the original sources for that story, which Plame believes was retribution for Wilson’s criticism.

Majority of Hill Stands Against D.C. Gun Ban
Members to File Friend-of-the-Court Brief in 2nd Amendment Case Before Justices
By Robert Barnes

Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 8, 2008

A majority of the Senate and more than half of the members of the House will file a brief today urging the Supreme Court to uphold a ruling that the District’s handgun ban violates the Second Amendment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020703689.html

The MAJORITY OF CONGRESS stands up for the 2nd Amendment today.

But NOT Clinton.

But NOT Obama.

Ah, Max is back with more scroll over material.

Does Brooks have something here? And is the Tory agenda a lot different than that espoused by the religious right portion of the Republican party?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09brooks.html?em&ex=1210478400&en=29b06ed4f402e3c5&ei=5087

“Max is back with more scroll over material”

You know Davis, you might disagree with Max, but he provides links and sources to his post data.

Not sure who elected you to advise the blog, but why don’t you do your scrolling over on your own, and not worry what anyone else is doing.

Max has made another point here – and neither democratic candidate signed the brief to the Supreme Court regarding private handgun ownership. That’s important information to many gun owners, and constitutionalists alike.

It would be nice to get honest answers from Obama on these questions. He won’t answer them though.

HOPE.
CHANGE.
HOPE.
CHANGE.

1. Will Obama promise to balance the Federal budget?

2. Will Obama push through the largest tax increase in the history of the USA?

3. Will Obama pull US troops out of Iraq on or before 12/31/2009?

4. Will Obama provide any details on his National Health Care plan before the election, to include:

a)Details of what is Covered and what is Excluded,
b)Details on Premium Costs,
c)Details on the annual cost to the Federal Government?

5. Will Obama sign legislation that will effectively ban handguns and all semi-automatic shotguns and rifles?

6. Will Obama solve the Social Security/Medicare fiscal crisis?

“GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE

The solar minimum continues. No sunspot activity. New cycle now delayed about 1 year. See current photo of sun.”

However, here on planet earth:

“Earth just experienced its warmest Northern Hemisphere winter on record, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center. The 3-month Northern Hemisphere winter period December 2006 through February 2007 had an average global temperature +0.72?C (+1.30?F) above normal, beating the previous record set in 2004 by a substantial +0.12?C. The Northern Hemisphere had its warmest winter ever measured, and the Southern Hemisphere (where it was summer) had its 4th warmest summer on record.”

So – we have solar conditions that should make it ’super-cold’ but continue to set records for warmth here on palnet earth.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/2007winter.asp

Sounds a bit like an endorsement, but headline calls it praise.

Obama wins praise from former rival John Edwards

“What he brings to the table is the capacity, number one, to unite the Democratic Party,” Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, told NBC’s “Today” show.

“Number two, to bring in new voters, to bring in people who haven’t been involved in the process over a long time and to get people excited about this change.”

http://tinyurl.com/3v3d8e

May 9th, 2008.

Still have not been contacted by anyone Chas.

Writerdog,

I often wonder if you are truly serious about your convictions or if they are pretend only because they further your dislike for Bush.

“They were fit from the moment the first unarmored Humvee hit the street on patrol,”

Humvee were never meant to be armored. Our military was not equiped to be completely protected from all sorts of IED attacks.

We adapted as does the enemy. Every time we upgraded the armor, they changed how they attacked the aromor.

We put armor on the sides, they attack the bottom. We put armor on the bottom, they attack the top. We try to armor the top, they use more explosives and simply destroy the armor.

You can only do so much to a Humvee. We can’t give every soldier his own personal tank. It is not practical.

“the first moment when a soldier went into battle with inferior body armor.”

We have never issued body armor like we have now to all troops. We fought every war before this one without body armor like we have now.

“The first moment that it was realized that combat had not ended but had changed to a different form of combat. And there seemed to be foot dragging to provide the needed equipment to assure our troop safety and effective response.”

Foot dragging? We are upgrading and fixing our equipment constantly in response to the different tactics being used against us.

“They were fitting from the moment the first soldier felt the sting of electric while taking a shower.”

Like what? Maybe one or two? Shit happens. The fact that you are using it to further your political crap makes you hardly any better. How many soldiers were electricuted in the shower? Please let me know.

“The moment the water made them ill and their paid for supplies were withheld and traded on the black market.”

Who is this “them” you speak of? No one was ill the 7 months I was there from water.

“The moment that in response to the question of why are you sending inferior equipped troop into harm’s way. And the reply was “you do not go to war with the troops you wish you had. But the troops you have!”

That is the truth. Our military is one of the bext trained and equiped in the world and was before we attacked. You simply can’t have the “perfectly” equiped military at all times.

Especially when the liberals fight paying for any of it at every turn.

“From a S.O.D. of the country with the greatest military in the world. The moment that large shipments of weapons disappear only to turn up to be used against our troops.”

A tragedy yes, but hardly the status quo.

You cherry pick events and string them toegether as if it is the status quo. How absurd.

Nathan, those wheels of justice sure are slow.

Or, could it be that Chas lied and didn’t actually contact the Marine pastors to complain? Or did they laugh their a**es off at him?

And I had all this popcorn bought for the trial (and the discovery) too!

Don’t forget about Chas’ bayonet! THAT, would be really scary!

Linda,

I didn’t tell you to scroll over anyone did I?
Did I tell any poster what to do? Max had a great point with the gun banning democratic candidates.
Davis said to scroll it over.

I’m not seeing the connection.

The “Nathan Immenient Arrest” scandal is widely known by bloggers. I am very concerned for Nathan’s well-being and potential incarceration in the federal pen. He faces grave charges from the Chaplain Corps.

I was trying to infuse some laughter, playing off Max’s post, so Nathan doesn’t get too far into the dumps with his pending courts-martial.

Aren’t you worried too Linda? Chas has made some serious allegations. Nathan could get life.

bth posted May 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm

“So – we have solar conditions that should make it ’super-cold’ but continue to set records for warmth here on palnet earth.”

Exactly. It’s (very roughly) like warming a house with a heater, and then also turning on the A/C. The A/C is helping offset the heater, but the deniers insist that the heater was turned off.

Some great graphs showing the long-term warming trend, and short-term cooling from volcanoes.

‘Uncertainty, noise and the art of model-data comparison’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison

I agree with you Linda. I read what I want and pass over what I don’t. I just read that long article on the ‘religious right’ that Steven linked to. I didn’t see much difference in what they have and what the mainstream conservative party have here. I think it is called being a ‘compassionate conservative’.

I also share AmWays concern for Nathan. It can’t be fun having this hang over your head for this long. Maybe Chas should be the strong one here and withdraw the charges.

AmericanWay,

Chas is a goofball. He chastised me and others for being prepared to defend ourselves with deadly force.

Yet he brags about how ready he is to defend himself with a bayonet.

The irony is so thick it makes me want to cry that he still doesn’t get it or simply refuses to.

The stupidity of wanting to use a bayonet to defend yourself rather than a gun makes me wonder about Chas as well.

Nathan

I don’t hang out here as much as some folk do.

What is Chas holding over your head thats got everyone shaking in their boots over?

That was a few weeks ago now, and I still have not heard anything.

Nathan

Has anyone set up a legal defense fund for you yet?

If so, let me know, I might be able to kick in some beer.

Perhaps Chas is confusing being a Christian with being a Presbyterian?

[/flamesuit].

Hey AmWay,

Send all donations to me! Cash only please, no small bills.

The court marshall will be in NO and I’ll need a little ‘walking around’ money.

New Orleans! Bourbon Street?
If Chas hurries the Chaplain Corps up with their investeegayshun, perhaps the Courts-martial could be held in time for Mardi Gras 2009!

Nathaniel
Posted May 9, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Heckler,

Chas said he contacted the Chaplains Corp to complain about how I treated him here.
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Stop Lying, Nathan(iel) — I never said any such thing!! Why do you have a problem with Truth??

Admittedly I’m not an expert on this blog and I don’t get to spend a lot of time posting, but what happened to the thread from yesterday about you know, the word I objected to? I replied to someone and wanted to read their response.

Is there a way I can search for my post to find the thread?

Check back on that Thread from yesterday Wichi

You got THAT right Blue Jay!!

Chas,

Then who did you contact?

Wichi

Sorry I missed meeting you.

Google is your friend. Search engine math too.

Do this in the search bar…

“WE Blog”+”Max”+”(that word)”_

Or something like that. If it was an open thread, add “open” to the search math

Nathan, you are the self-proclaimed Know it all… Did you forget already?? I am not going back over all of that again… I have no intention of doing any more or less than I have already done… What I said I would do, has been done… I will have no more contacts on the matter… Sorry, you are flaming the wrong bush!!

Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!
____________________

Nuff said!!

cosmos, I addressed the Wilde thing last night.

I think Wilde might be Canadian and listed under the Canadian Royal Met. Assoc.

Did you check that list?

I doubt he’s listed on the British list.

Nathan, I also never said that it was because of the way you treat me… That is one reason you are a liar… The other is cause you told Heckler I contacted the Chaplains Corp… which is also NOT TRUE…

Get it now??? Just speak the Truth Nathan…

Stop flaming it… and, as Granny said….

DROP IT!! (the time line is not in my hands)

Libs love to bash Rush. But one thing is true for the Libs, It really is “all about the children”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/08/BAIR10J9JC.DTL&feed=rss.news

WS once and for all just to make you happy. I lied. I lied. I lied. My son left the Navy in 1994 because of the cuts Hill and Bill implemented. If I said he was in the military when the Cole was attacked obviously I LIED. What I intended to say was and thought I did say was that intel knew right away that Bin Laden did it. You said no they didn’t because it wasn’t on the news and I pointed out that not all intel reached the networks right away. The discussion was about Clinton’s inability to respond to a direct attack on one of our carriers.

I lied. I lied.

Did you get that WS?

“WS when your childish games start at night I tune out. I did that kind of stuff in middle school.”

Do you mean like lying to try to make a point about a political issue?

Those kind of childish games?

Jeez, I never do that, why do you?

jimmymac posted,

“I think Wilde might be Canadian and listed under the Canadian Royal Met. Assoc.”

http://www.cmos.ca/history.html
“The idea of separating from the Royal Meteorological Society and establishing an independent Society had been talked about during the 1950s. Both sides complained about the other and finally the question was discussed at the 1964 and 1965 Congresses. The formal decision was taken at the seventh and last Congress of the Canadian Branch in 1966 at the University of Sherbrooke in the presence and with the full concurrence of the president of the Royal Meteorological Society, who the Canadian members had invited to participate in this historic meeting. The Canadian Meteorological Society came into being on January 1, 1967 …”

HLP posted May 8, 2008 at 6:52 am

“Stephen Wilde has been a Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society since 1968.”

*Sigh* I still can’t find it but thanks for the tip JR.

Everyone have a nice weekend, get out and enjoy the nice weather, some River festival activities and of course blog responsibly!

jimmymac posted,

“I think Wilde might be Canadian… I doubt he’s listed on the British list.”

http://www.rmets.org/membership/index.php
“Joining the Society
…
The Society is made up of weather enthusiasts, practitioners, students and scientists from across the world.”

“But stop your whining.”

Do you mean like whining that the liberals attack you, they aren’t nice to you and that they call you on your lies and erratic behavior?

Do ya’ mean like that, JM?

Okay, back to ‘puter world – bigger fish to fry.

The Royal Meteorological Society

‘About Climate Change’
http://www.rmets.org/weather/climate/index.php

Regular
Posted May 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
Shut up Clark, no one cares about your rantings, your son or your daughter.

Just go kill yourself and do the planet earth a favor.

———————–

Regular, I mostly disagree with WSCLARK_ sometimes vehemwntly so, and have been attacked by many, but that is pretty vile. Why don;t you take a time out and not post on the blog for awhile, it seems to have not been kind to you.

“What happened to the ‘both sides’ issue that you were ragging Mr. Davis about?”

Grm, ragging on me? Impossible, I say. Will have to go check out that thread.

“Oh, and McCluer threatened to beat up my son – we’ll be selling tickets – my son is 6?3? and 275# of solid muscle – he would flat out wipe the floor with McCluer.”

It is hard to even imagine a more ridiculous contest. I think they call those types of threats as being the result of “keyboard courage”. It it just silliness.

Max prognosticates>>>

“1. Accidentally bolded the McCleur name in an entire obituary that was supposedly posted to show how wunnerful it is when killed kids donate organs.”

Max makes up shit as he/she goes… That obit never said one word about a kid being killed… only that the kid was dead…

The obit never did say how the young man died.

This response is not directd to Max the Flaming Liar, and mentally obsessed poster.

Nothing to see here that’s on an adult level.

Chas
Posted May 9, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
Max prognosticates>>>

This response is not directd to Max the Flaming Liar, and mentally obsessed poster.
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Another LIE!

That’s FIVE!

Chas, Chas, Chas.

You have been busted so many times it’s ridiculous. I personally say the 1st item Max lists; your” explanation” was beyond lame.

I also personally read the threat to turn Nathan in to the Chaplains; whether to the Chief or th Corps makes no difference.

There’s more, but readers here know I needn’t go on.

You simply have no credibility, Chas. If you wrote the sun rose in the east, I’d have to go out and check to be sure. You’ve been busted too many times.

But it is fun to twist the knife, and see how many times and ways Chas can deny the undeniable, and twist what we’ve all read clearly.

Nathan, Max, I’ve got the popcorn and a beer waiting on me for tonight’s Chas show. I know you won’t let me down. :-)

Chas
Posted May 9, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
Max the Flaming LIAR posts:

This response is not directd to Max the Flaming Liar, and mentally obsessed poster.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SIX!

You know Chas, if you’d just give up the “holier then thou” act and admit your mistakes and lies, life would be easier for you by admitting you’re human.

But it wouldn’t be nearly as much fun for the rest of us.

“Is this anything like Hillary Clinton’s LIE about coming under fire?”

Pretty much the same.

Who was it that said “once a liar, always a liar?”

EADS North America spent $850,000 to lobby in first quarter
Friday May 9, 6:24 pm ET
EADS North America spent $850,000 in 1Q to lobby on Air Force tanker, other defense contracts

WASHINGTON (AP) — EADS North America, part of European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., spent $850,000 on its own behalf in the first quarter to lobby on Pentagon contracts, including a massive Air Force order for aerial refueling tankers, according to a disclosure report filed April 22.
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The North American arm of the European aerospace and defense contractor, which is the parent of Airbus, focused much of its lobbying on Congress and the Defense Department during the first three months of the year.

EADS and its U.S. partner, Northrop Grumman Corp., recently beat out Boeing Co. for a $35 billion contract to supply 179 air-to-air refueling tankers to the Air Force. The deal is the first of three Air Force awards worth as much $100 billion to replace the entire fleet of nearly 600 tankers over the next 30 years.

Boeing, which has been supplying refueling tankers to the Air Force for 50 years, has filed a formal protest of the decision with the Government Accountability Office. And Boeing supporters in Congress have hauled Air Force officials up to Capitol Hill multiple times in recent weeks to explain their decision to award the contract to a team that includes a European company.

LOL Clark!! :-)

Interesting thought, Monkey :roll:

“exercised his right to armed self-defense in violation of a local gun law”

Lets see… you have a RIGHT to have a gun, even if a local gun law says you DONT have that right??

BTW, Cook County law enforcement sided with the victim of the burglary… Wilmette did NOT… Obama stuck with the Law of the City. In Illinois, the State Legislature either does not, or can not over-rule local ordinance….

Anybody know what – if any – this poor guy got for a sentence — OR if it even went to trial??

Personally, I would side with Cook County law enforcement… Those guys are TOUGH… and if they felt the victim had a right to defend himself… thats good enough for me!!

Chas- With all due respect, when are you going to learn to stop being played by these losers? Every day it seems to happen and you fall into the circular “logic” these clowns employ.

Don’t play that game.

I didnt know their logic CAME to a full circle

Ok if you say so

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gster
Posted May 9, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

In response to a number of complaints that FOX News doesn’t show enough Black and Hispanic people on the network, FOX has announced that they will now air ‘ America ’s Most Wanted’ TWICE a week.
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Fox News also stated, in a canned release, they would start advertising on BET between the hours of 3:00AM and 3:15 AM.

JM: Fox News also stated, in a canned release, they would start advertising on BET between the hours of 3:00AM and 3:15 AM.

I think that is only on leap years!

Ya know you’ve got to draw the line somehwere and be firm!!

APNews Release:

President Bush announced that he is adding the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the city of Basra , Iraq to daughter Jenna’s dowery.

“You can neverally do two much for your childern, I always speechificate” added the Prez.

In a related incident V.P.Cheney was overheard saying to his gun-buddy, Harry Whittington, “Dang that Bush. I wanted Basra.” Whereupon he shot Harry in the face . . . again.

“Chas” shared –

“…Naturally.. I assumed you had stolen the car.”

Funny.

I bet you do a good sermon.

Kinda reminds me of George Gardner.

Did you know him, “Chas?”

Helluva man.

You could disagree with him, but he always wanted to learn, to think more about it.

He might have been the most Christ-like human I’ve ever met. So, naturally, he pissed off the “religious” right.

Monkey — Gardner was a master of the trade… I knew him… but not well… not personally… But, Oh my, WHAT a skillful preacher… Him and Chas. Curtis as well!!

Obama Adviser Leaves Campaign After Speaking With Hamas

by FOXNews.com

Friday, May 9, 2008

A Middle East policy adviser for Barack Obama has left the campaign after acknowledging having held talks with Hamas, FOX News confirms.

The Times newspaper in London first reported Friday that the campaign was severing ties with the adviser, Robert Malley.

Malley said he had been in contact with the Palestinian group, but only through his work for a “conflict resolution think tank,” and not on behalf of the Obama campaign, the newspaper reported.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton told FOX News Malley was “an ancillary adviser who never met with Obama, literally one of hundreds of informal advisers who from time to time offered advice on Middle East policy.”

Another Obama spokesman told The Times Malley “has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.”

Hamas, which is labeled a terrorist organization by the State Department, is a touchy issue for the Obama campaign.

Hamas adviser Ahmed Yousef said in a recent interview, “We like Mr. Obama, we hope that he will win the election,” and presumptive Republican nominee John McCain has poked fun at Obama for the apparent endorsement.

McCain has said he would be Hamas’ “worst nightmare”; he told “The Daily Show’s” Jon Stewart Wednesday that he could “guarantee” Hamas would not endorse him for president.

Obama accused McCain of “losing his bearings” and engaging in a smear campaign for the remarks.

FOX News’ Major Garrett contributed to this report.

New York Times article:

Barack Obama sacks adviser over talks with Hamas
Barack Obama had criticised former President Jimmy Carter for holding direct talks with Hamas

Tom Baldwin in Washington

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama’s Middle East advisory council.

“I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly: “Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.” The rapid departure of Mr Malley followed 48 hours of heated clashes between John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect, and Mr Obama over Middle East policy.

Mr Obama, who has been trying to assuage suspicion towards him among the influential Jewish and pro-Israel lobby, spoke at a Washington reception marking the 60th anniversary of Israeli independence on Thursday when he promised that his commitment to the country’s security would be “unshakeable”. However, Mr McCain has high-lighted the Democrat’s pledge to negotiate directly with nations such as Iran – whose leaders talk of wiping Israel off the map – and a statement from Hamas saying that it hoped that Mr Obama would win the presidency.

This was denounced as an offensive smear by Mr Obama, who repeated earlier statements saying that Hamas was “a terrorist organisation [and] we should not negotiate with them unless they recognise Israel, renounce violence”.

He went on to suggest that Mr McCain’s attack showed that he was “losing his bearings”. This remark triggered a furious reaction from Mark Salter, the Republican’s senior adviser, who said that Mr Obama was “intentionally raising John McCain’s age as an issue” – a claim the Democrat vehemently denied. The intensity of this dispute reflects both Mr Obama’s desire to move beyond his battle with Hillary Clinton and how Republicans are already beginning to train their sights on him.

The Republican National Committee has amassed a 1,000-page dossier on Mr Obama, with researchers spending weeks in Chicago seeking fresh material. He is already being criticised for his links with Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia University professor who has branded Israel an “apartheid system in creation”.

Mr Malley, a respected commentator on Middle Eastern issues and part of President Clinton’s negotiating team at the Camp David talks, has come under attack in recent months from right-wing bloggers. Yesterday, asked if Obama campaign was aware of his contact with Hamas, he said: “They know who I am but I don’t think they vet everyone in a group of informal advisers.”

Randy Scheunemann, Mr McCain’s foreign policy chief, suggested that Mr Malley was part of an emerging pattern in which other advisers had been repudiated after throwing confusion over policies on trade and Iraq. “Perhaps because of his inexperience Senator Obama surrounds himself with advisers that contradict his stated policies,” he said.

George Gardner officiated at my former sister-in-law and her hubby’s wedding. Like Linda, I often listened to the Wallpaper Session.

Linda, the next time we meet up, remind me to tell you about the call I made when Darla (or is that Dharla?) Comes was on-air. VERY weird.

Speaking of psychics, Wichita’s famous Aileen Cunningham’s son, Micol, used to sing at a club–The Crown Room–on south Meridian. I loved listening to him and the other Michael sing oldies. It was a great act. As far as I know, Micol still has his own place now, farther south on Meridian. Has anybody been there?

(With all the bickering going on, I thought a little chit-chat would be nice. :) )

That is just super super freaky Linda. I had kindof a weird experience this week as well.

There is a lady that I take care of, and anyway, the lady … she’s declining. She is Catholic, but lately has taken to chants in tongues. She lives in this really old victorian house, and I have to say it’s almost surreal when I”m there- like I’m truly part of some bizarre freaky story plot. I can’t explain it, it’s just weird.

Anyway, this woman always reminds me of my very first nursing job. The nursing home was made of old WW2 barracks, long since shut down, but was still open when I was 15. If you’ve ever seen the opening shot of ‘the wall’ it had that same feel….like an old mental ward. The patients rooms were dorm style, with 4 per room, and only a handful of private rooms. In one of the private rooms there was a woman who would sometimes whisper, sometimes yell, about the dark man waiting for her. And that was so spooky I can’t even tell you- I’d often get chills just being in that room. You’d be in the middle of something and she’d start getting agitated…saying “he’s there..do you see him”. We swore this lady was too afraid to die.

I’ve seen a lot of bizarre downright freaky things in my years as a caretaker. And I really think that these people know when the end is coming. My old lady talks now frequently about “going home” to me.

So last time I saw her, I talked to the daughter about how I get this feeling that I can’t explain, that I just tried to listen to her mother…and that maybe we should consider that the time may be coming- that she may indeed know that its her time to ‘go home’.

The daughter spun around and she said “SO YOU FEEL IT TOO”. I said yes, and she said she’s long thought she was feeling something strange in the house, and that her mother has said that ‘the man is waiting for her”. TWO DIFFERENT WOMEN AT WAY DIFFERENT TIMES…I get the same creepy feeling from both of them…and now I learn that they are saying the same phrases..and as we talked I started getting those chills.

I swear someone should write some of these experience into a book. Too many of them to be coincidental. Like the night one of my mute ladies started singing the most beautiful songs, LOUDLY too, and she had this light in her eyes, and conversed with us, ate everything on her plate (which NEVER happened)…and the next day she died. She had to had known. If there was ever someone who I was sure had angels beside her…it was this lady….because she absolutely was radiant that night before she passed.

I wish I could say this was the result of an overactive imagination on my part, but I swear its not, because the other workers saw it too.

PMama — “Life After Life” by Raymond L. Moody

Check it out… ALSO, Elizabeth Kuebler-Ross’s works. Most Fascinating.

Makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and tingle! There are many unexplained parts of life. Like MonkeyHawk talks about — lots of questions!

American of the USA, Stars and Stripes for Ever, Yankee Doodle Dandy–

Was there a point to that post?

CHARTING A NEW COURSE

Source: ABE LEVY The Wichita Eagle

Published on January 31, 2004, Page 1F, Wichita Eagle

Statues of the Buddha and the “Thinking Man” serve as bookends in George Gardner’s office. They bracket books on world religions, orthodox and liberal Christianity and the United Methodist Book of Discipline. At any time, he may consult one for inspiration, said Gardner, 68, senior minister of Unity Church of Wichita. His theology, after all, is eclectic and open to change. “I don’t know what I will be today or next…..

“Political_mama
Posted May 9, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink
Yes and Operation Rescue liked to talk about how he wasn’t a christian too. What is it with fundies denouncing other Christians? Wasn’t it a GOOD thing for this pastor to baptise babies?

Obviously you miss something if a mother goes through the trouble to want their baby baptised, surely the fact that she had felt her abortion was the only and best option for her AND the baby. I’m glad there are pastors who are willing to face such scrutiny to perform the service for the babies and parent(s).”

Do you believe in God?

American–

Dude, is this supposed to make us hate Gardner because he has “The Thinker” in his office?

Yeah.

I could see how that’d bother you.

“CapnAmerica
Posted May 9, 2008 at 11:23 pm | Permalink
American–

Dude, is this supposed to make us hate Gardner because he has “The Thinker” in his office?

Yeah.

I could see how that’d bother you.”

Maybe you should think about it, perhaps?

I wish no hate upon anyone.

Max -

Wilmette is a staunchly Republican stronghold it’s not the libs as you say — but the gop neocons of the chicago burbs trampling on your 2nd amendment rights to shoot anything you feel approporaite

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American, you would be so self-righteous as to lecture ME on what Infant Baptism means??

Thats a joke, DUDE/DUDETTE

max grobnik = am way = regular = american

frauds all !!!

American does not understand that I need no lecture on Infant Baptism… I know the importance of the Sacrament, to the Church, to the parents, AND to the Infant… If American disagrees, that is his/her free right. It is not a matter of discussion for this Blog…

This is an open thread is it not?

I did not bring up baptism, infant or no.

The main point being that bloggers here expouse someone who was clearly not Christian because of the fruit he produced.

And then it is mentioned that, man, you should at least appreciate that a mother wanted to get her child baptised, but baptised unto what?

American DARES claim that he/she knows George Gardner was not a Christian?? Does American claim to know the mind of Christ? Or the knowledge of God?

This could be interesting…

P.M. ran from the McCain question again!!! Wow

“Maggotpunk,
Do you believe in God?”

Goodness, what a silly question.

You are scum Nathan… Bigots are scum…

Nathan once again makes fool of himself, so everyone can see him pretend to be GOD yet another time, while accusing others…

Nathan is a total fruit cake!!

http://physorg.com/news129475030.html

“Maggotpunk
Posted May 10, 2008 at 12:44 am | Permalink
“Maggotpunk,
Do you believe in God?”

Goodness, what a silly question.”

Why a silly question?

I believe that is a very serious question.

What makes any of you think you have the Authority to determine who is christian and who is not?

That’s some serious complex or mental illness you’ve got going on there. Even by the bible, you have no authority.

I’m not a Christian, I’ll tell you that right now. I never want to find myself in the afterlife with any of you freaks. Nor would I wish to spend it with a hateful God.

Yes, I believe in God, but my God is a kind and decent god. Not this distortion that Christians have created.