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IPCC PROJECTIONS CONTINUE TO FALSIFY
There are certain statistical analysis methods that let a researcher know when they might be lying to themselves with misapplied statistical analysis. Lucia over at rankexploits.com has been reviewing IPCC projections using advanced statistical methods. Lucia is a fastidious statistician who opens up all her methodologies to scrutiny.
It may come as little surprise that Lucia finds the IPCC’s long-range warming-only forecasts continue to be falsified, and become increasingly unlikely as the ongoing temperature plateau continues. See here:
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/ipcc-projections-continue-to-falsify/
We’ve had almost nine years of stable global temperatures – another seven really puts the odds against the 2 degrC/century forecasts being likely. Maybe fifteen years of stable temperatures shall be Mother Nature’s funny way of letting us know that the sky isn’t falling.
“Be the change you seek in your world.” —Gandhi.
“Two wrongs do not make a right”
Your mother should have told you this one…
Wonder why they didn’t save the emails? I’m thinking they don’t want anybody reading how they really foisted this war in Iraq on us. Samo-samo.
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White House admits pre-war e-mails not archived.
The White House does not have archival copies of e-mails exchanged between administration officials during the weeks leading up to President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq nor for the first two months of the war there, according to a just-released filing concerning millions of e-mails alleged to have gone missing or been deleted.
“A White House declaration filed late last night … makes the stunning admission that the White House failed to preserve ANY backup tapes for the period March 1, 2003 through May 22, 2003, a period of time during which the U.S. went to war in Iraq,” says a release from Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington, a watchdog group suing for public records concerning the disappearance of internal White House e-mails.
Without computer backup tapes from this critical pre-Iraq war period, future researchers may be deprived a vital resource as the delve into the inner workings of the Bush administration as it decided to invade a country that had not attacked the United States and possessed no weapons of mass destruction.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/White_House_admits_prewar_emails_not_0506.html
Enjoyed seeing you all last night. And you know who you are…
I owe you $10.
Goldman Sachs Group IncBy Reuters 06 May 2008
Oil could shoot up to $200 within the next two years as part of a “super-spike” driven by poor growth in oil supplies, investment bank Goldman Sachs said in a research note.
“We believe the current energy crisis may be coming to a head, as a lack of adequate supply growth is becoming apparent,” Goldman Goldman Sachs Group IncGS said in the note made available to Reuters on Tuesday.
Oil hit a new record near $121 a barrel on Tuesday, continuing an advance which has seen it double over the past 12 months.
“The possibility of $150-$200 per barrel seems increasingly likely over the next 6-24 months, though predicting the ultimate peak in oil prices as well as the remaining duration of the upcycle remains a major uncertainty,” Goldman said.
Goldman, which was one of the first to point to a triple digit oil price more than two years ago, said it believed the market was approaching the crunch in the “super-spike.”
The “super-spike” theory argues that a lack of adequate supply growth along with price-insulated demand growth in non-OECD countries will lead to a dramatic and continuous rise in oil prices that will ultimately lead to a sharp correction in oil demand.
Goldman analysts said the underlying drivers of the rise in oil prices remained firmly in place, noting poor growth in non-OPEC supplies, low OPEC spare capacity, restriction on foreign investment in key oil producing nations and healthy demand growth in non-OECD economies.
“In our view, a gradual rally in prices is likely to be longer lasting than a sharp, sudden spike,” the note written by U.S.-based analyst Arjun Murti said.”
In light of the above, I would suggest buying oil equities. Some companies offer DRIP’s, but you can also find energy mutual funds, and possibly even through your 401 at work.
I would also suggest allowing the oil companies to drill known reserves, but I’m afraid the politic’s of the day, would not favor increasing production to meet demand.
And with low CAFE standards doomed for over a decade and really beyond the 35 MPG (fleet average) by 2020 – we are not going to resolve our immediate crises with energy efficient vehicles.
Other than that: Prepare your budget for
$8.00 a gallon gasoline
Are y’all enjoying the $3.55 per gallon gas?
Told ya so. ($3.50 by Memorial Day)
Anybody wanna shoot for $4?
Aww AmWay, if we just taxed those evil, mean, oil companies more, that would punish them enough to bring their prices down!
Clinton and Obama both promise to punish these greedy oil companies for delivering all that nasty Global Warming causing oil.
And Clinton will save us 18.4 cents a gallon this summer, you just wait and see!
Good Morning My good friend Mr Regular. I thought I would provide a little Liberal spew from a liberal newspaper like the Army Times. NOW will you accept the reality that our Military is dangerously close to breaking? In fact, I will give you a way to save face while admitting reality (knock, knock “hello? McFly”) You can suggest that the military be increased in size. An option that I don’t particularly like, but definitely will accept if necessary. Then you can save face and still see reality.
http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/1-292925-2363642.php
And jobs, and health care, and education, that that’s what Obama and Clinton will bring to America!
Need to tax all dem mean, eeeevil corporations into doing what’s right – hire more Americans and pay higher salaries! Force em!
And Hope!
And Change!
And Peace!
And Prosperity!
That’s what Clintbama will bring to America!
Hey VET – didn’t you get the memo? Unless you toe the administration line you (a) hate America, (b) hate the military, (c) hate the soldiers, and (d) hate veterans.
/sarcasm off
Box’s words of ‘wisdom’ (some may question that) for today:
There seem to be lots of ‘garbage trucks’ on this blog.
Wish I didn’t turn into a ‘garbage truck’ here occasionally.
Many people are like garbage trucks. They run around full of garbage, full of frustration, full of anger, and full of disappointment. As their garbage piles up, they need a place to dump it and sometimes they’ll dump it on you. Don’t take it personally. Just smile, wave, wish them well, and move on. Don’t take their garbage and spread it to other people at work, at home, on the streets, or the blog.
The bottom line is that successful people do not let garbage trucks take over their day. Life’s too short to wake up in the morning with regrets, so….. “Love the people who treat you right. Pray for the ones who don’t.”
Out of the office today, so wishing all a ‘clean’, not garbage truck filled day.
Clinton and Obama both promise to punish these greedy oil companies for delivering all that nasty Global Warming causing oil.
And Clinton will save us 18.4 cents a gallon this summer, you just wait and see!
And jobs, and health care, and education, that that’s what Obama and Clinton will bring to America!
Yep, Max, America will become tranquility
base when we have the democrat in the white house, the senate, and the house of representatives.
Not sure how to guard all my pockets though.
Heck, maybe I will have to bury what I got out in the backyard!
More effectively, I should just stop working and join the masses sucking at the government tit.
AmWay – you worry that the Democrats will pick your pockets … have you noticed what the Republics have been doing with your credit cards? Running up trillions …
Yeah bth, Government spending those trillions on you?
I ain’t seeing nuthin.
Don’t want nuthin either. Just stop the spending, and get your Lib dirty hands outta my back pocket!
Good morning LLTVET,
You do realize that the Army Times is not the official voice of the Army don’t you?
You do know that the Army Times and other periodicals published in similar format (Air Force Times, Navy Times) are owned and operated by the Gannett Company, Inc., one of the largest newspaper publishers in the U.S.?
Interesting article though and I suspect General McCaffrey is experiencing some sour grapes from all the foo-pahs that happened during his watch
* the tons of ordinance left unguarded on the ground for terrorists to pick up and use)
(the museums and official buildings, banks and etc. left unguarded in Iraq)
*the undisciplined military prisons and staff)
Need I go on?
Exactly what was your question? You appear to have dipped your brush in a bucket of gray paint to white wash the fence.
Good morning LLTVET!
Actually, the Army Times, Navy Times, etc., are all owned by the same nitwits that publish USA Today. I quit taking the Navy Times last year because of their liberal editorial content.
The link you gave is a case in point. It’s an editorial piece by retired Army General Barry McCaffery. The good general now makes a living as a liberal ‘military expert’. I believe he is even on the payroll of that ‘fair and balanced’ network MSNBC.
Admitedly, some might think I tend toward the conservative side but no more than McCaffery leans liberal. I come by my views honestly, no one’s paying me.
AmWay, we can hide our assets to a certain extent. But at some point, ClintObama will come around to dig them up.
They will take our guns first though, so that we can’t defend ourselves, or our property, or our Freedom.
And we could join them. That would work for a short time. When everyone throws in the towel though, there will be nobody working anymore – nobody to pay your taxes, nobody to pay your welfare.
Nobody will be waiting for you at the store to sell you anything. Nobody will be waiting at the free healthcare clinic to treat you. Nobody will be growing food for you.
Everybody will be retired, when Government gives us all this stuff for free. And so, nobody will be there to hand out the free stuff!
Morning Grins >>>>
REDNECK LOVE POEM
SUSIE LEE DONE FELL IN LOVE;
SHE PLANNED TO MARRY JOE
SHE WAS SO HAPPY ‘BOUT IT ALL
SHE TOLD HER PAPPY SO.
PAPPY TOLD HER, ‘SUSIE GAL,
YOU’LL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER.
I’D JUST AS SOON YO’ MA DON’T KNOW,
BUT JOE IS YO’ HALF BROTHER.’
SO SUSIE PUT ASIDE HER JOE
AND PLANNED TO MARRY WILL,
BUT AFTER TELLING PAPPY THIS,
HE SAID, ‘THERE’S TROUBLE STILL.
YOU CAN’T MARRY WILL, MY GAL,
AND PLEASE DON’T TELL YOU’ MOTHER,
BUT WILL AND JOE, AND SEVERAL MO’
I KNOW IS YO’ HALF BROTHER.’
BUT MAMA KNEW AND SAID, ‘MY CHILD,
JUST DO WHAT MAKES YO’ HAPPY.
MARRY WILL OR MARRY JOE.
YOU AIN’T NO KIN TO PAPPY
Good morning Regular!
Thought you might be sleeping in so I answered for you. You beat me to it though!
“Yeah bth, Government spending those trillions on you?”
No Max, I don’t work for Blackwater.
How about those Republican Primaries last night in North Carolina and Indiana? For a presumptive front-running, John McCain sure doesn’t seem to have the votes sewn up against other candidates who actually have dropped out of the race.
INDIANA
John McCain 318,374 77.6%
Mike Huckabee 41,063 10.0%
Ron Paul 31,557 7.7%
Mitt Romney 19,507 4.8%
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IN.html
NORTH CAROLINA
John McCain 381,138 73.5%
Mike Huckabee 62,917 12.1%
Ron Paul 40,275 7.8%
Others 33,894 6.5%
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NC.html
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Looks like John McCain’s got some work to do, binding up the wounds of a disgruntled Republican Party after a moribund, dispirited primary season.
Morning Hank!
Always appreciate the help from the Navy. Got to have some one around who is not afraid of deep water.
Heh. Irony really is lost on those who need it most.
In looking over last night’s threads, I see boxlick dropping TONS of his personal, bigoted garbage about gay marriage.
Typical christian conservative. Hypocrisy is also lost on him/her.
Is it just me, or is this blog getting more lame by the day? Lame threads, military boys clubs, a haven for the bigoted and intellectually challenged.
And I dont think any of that has to do with registration.
But I have to say, watching all the obama supporters spin about gay marriage is really funny. Do as I say, but support the candidate who has a bigoted homophobe headline his fundraising.
And not one person posting last night was gay.
Kansas… as ignorant as you think…
“have you noticed what the Republics have been doing with your credit cards? Running up trillions …”
No doubt about that either. That’s why I am a divorced republican. Now just a lonely conservative, not thumping a bible, not protecting human cells, and not forcing the pledge on five year olds.
” binding up the wounds of a disgruntled Republican Party”
Not likely.
I dunno kfg, Kansas hasn’t changed much for me, except I’m much older now and there are fewer family farms around.
Military boys club? Have you been peeking in the showers again or is that an anatomical comparison to the farm mule? :D
Oh, and I guess it was predictable that ANY discussion about gay marriage would include the obligatory swipe at “man on dog” sex.
Stupid is as stupid does. When the dog can give consent, we’ll talk.
Until then, is there something you geniuses dont get about “two consenting adults”?
And some of you were defending the FLDS recently. Seems like you conservative WINGNUTS are the ones who are invested in plural marriage.
And with clergy having sex with children, uh, daily, I so indeed see your moral superiority.
Kansas… as hypocritical as you think.
Boxlick, someone needs to buy you a ticket to reality.
Now I’ll just sit and wait for your garbage truck filled with gay marriage bigotry to beep while it backs up.
Over anyone who doesnt share your religious beliefs.
Taliban anyone?
no reg, but I wish they’d give you war mongers who relive your glory days from 20-30-40 years ago your own threads. Sounds like the old man wing of the nursing home.
Do you all listen to Bruce much? ‘Cause it sounds like the chorus of “glory days” being sung over. and over. and over. and over….
“And not one person posting last night was gay.”
How can you tell? Is there a secret font? Maybe a coded message?
Oh well, I guess it takes a bigot to know one.
You know, it might just be: There simply are not very many gay people. Certainly not enough to force legislation by their vote. I know the impression the movement wants it to protray gays as a huge voting block. But if not for a few tens of millions of kindhearted, non-biggoted hetrosexuals, you wouldn’t even be news.
Wish you’d quit flaunting it though. Turns me off.
“give you war mongers who relive your glory days from 20-30-40 years ago your own threads”
I’d support that – if they’d give the religious posters their own too.
Poisoning the well a bit early this morning arent we gentlemen. So the Army Times is a Liberal Newspaper and McGaffery is bought out by MSNBC. Let’s just for grins and giggles assume that you haven’t been drinking Kool-aid. Exactly how does that absolve me from entertaining the idea that the military is close to breaking? And Regular, My point was clear. The military is close to breaking, so lets fix it first either by adding to the personnel or decreasing the mission. This done before you foam at the mouth about Iran. Remember, that is what we were talking about yesterday? Catch the ball first, then run with it. Remember?
“give you war mongers who relive your glory days from 20-30-40 years ago your own threads”
And how about those gays? heh?
Kum-Ba-Ya my lord, Kum-ba-ya.
CF – we may also be seeing some people voting for VP.
McCain-Huckabee. You heard it here first.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
no reg, but I wish they’d give you war mongers who relive your glory days from 20-30-40 years ago your own threads. Sounds like the old man wing of the nursing home.
Do you all listen to Bruce much? ‘Cause it sounds like the chorus of “glory days” being sung over. and over. and over. and over….
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War mongers? Ahhhh kfg, I’m hurt. Well you know that Bill Clinton gave me and millions of others that Cold War Certificate for defending the country didn’t ya?
Bill Clinton also put in the “don’t ask don’t tell” policy. What ya think about that?
It sounds like McCaffery is saying an opinion that matches that of Colin Powell. Don’t tell me, let me guess. Colin Powell is now a liberal on the payroll of the NAACP.
It sounds like McCaffery is saying an opinion that matches that of Colin Powell. Don’t tell me, let me guess. Colin Powell is now a liberal on the payroll of the NAACP.
“give you war mongers who relive your glory days from 20-30-40 years ago your own threads”
Or how about a farmers market thread to discuss wheat prices?
ricochet
LLTVET
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
Poisoning the well a bit early this morning arent we gentlemen. So the Army Times is a Liberal Newspaper and McGaffery is bought out by MSNBC. Let’s just for grins and giggles assume that you haven’t been drinking Kool-aid. Exactly how does that absolve me from entertaining the idea that the military is close to breaking? And Regular, My point was clear. The military is close to breaking, so lets fix it first either by adding to the personnel or decreasing the mission. This done before you foam at the mouth about Iran. Remember, that is what we were talking about yesterday? Catch the ball first, then run with it. Remember?
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No LLTVET, the simplistic sports analogy was yours, not mine.
“foam at the mouth?”
When did you serve or did you serve in the military LLTVET? Do you always include phrases of ‘flame’ before you ask a question or is that your “inner Grunt” coming through?
What do you mean by “close to breaking?” I haven’t seen any signs of breakage when I go out to McConnell. What exactly is breaking?
I have relatives currently serving in all the branches of the military now and none of them have reported to me on any breakage going on.
Good morning again LLTVET!
Your implication was that since the publication was called “The Army Times” it wasn’t liberal. Regular and I merely pointed out that there’s more than a name involved in determining if a publication is liberal.
Your point about the Army is taken. It’s been close to the breaking point for several years if you listen to the liberal pundits. I found nothing new in McCafferty’s opinion piece that would lead me to the same conclusions he came up with.
It wasn’t me that urinated in your well!
Heeeeee….
I can always count on you assholes to prove me right when I call you bigots.
And you are too stupid to even know it.
And not one person posting last night was gay.
Tom isn’t gay? That’s news to me.
Thank You HLP, now would you mind giving my good friend Mr Regular a McFly knock on the head so that he can see that reality as well. And No regular, it’s my D.A.T. (Dumb A$$ Tanker) days that make me want to smack you. McConnel is an Air Force base. I will give you that the Air Force isn’t breaking (happy?) but the Army is the branch that has the important job of securing Iraq. I can’t believe I need to explain this. Now, if you can’t see the writing on the wall when 20% of new enlistees are convicted felons, I’m afraid I just can’t convince you. Maybe you can speak with HLP. (GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL, GO TO WAR OR GO TO JAIL) sound familiar?
All Gay!
All Day!
All The Time!
At least listen to Dick Cheney. Even he said that we shouldn’t go after Iran yet. Is HE a liberal now? Fix our military before you even think about going into Iran. Please.
Come on Farm Girl!
Quit trying to pick a fight with us old, over the hill, heterosexual, fundementalist Christian, war mongering bigots!
I don’t feel like trampling on your gay rights today. Besides, for some inexplicable reason, I’m actually quite fond of you.
Hank
Ahhh yes, and Max posts his/her inner child secret wish for the day!! :-D
/sarcasm off
Tom wasnt posting last night. His last post was in the afternoon.
Kansas… as bigoted as you think.
Where are all those businesses that were going to come to kansas after the hate amendment was passed?
“Quit trying to pick a fight with us old, over the hill, heterosexual, fundementalist Christian, war mongering bigots!”
Pick a fight? No, I dont fight with the handicapped.
Lame. Just lame.
LLTVET
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink
Thank You HLP, now would you mind giving my good friend Mr Regular a McFly knock on the head so that he can see that reality as well. And No regular, it’s my D.A.T. (Dumb A$$ Tanker) days that make me want to smack you. McConnel is an Air Force base. I will give you that the Air Force isn’t breaking (happy?) but the Army is the branch that has the important job of securing Iraq. I can’t believe I need to explain this. Now, if you can’t see the writing on the wall when 20% of new enlistees are convicted felons, I’m afraid I just can’t convince you. Maybe you can speak with HLP. (GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL, GO TO WAR OR GO TO JAIL) sound familiar?
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LLTVET,
Whenever you decide you want to have a coherent discussion on the matter, let me know.
What you remind me of is this old army Sergeant First Class I was talking to back in the day about some palletized equipment they wanted to ship via aircraft. He was cursing and bringing up stuff that had nothing to do with the situation at hand and mixing in some anecdotes about ‘back in the day’ and etc.
I found out later from his Commander that the SFC was almost illiterate and could only read on about the third grade level.
Next time I talked to him, I lowered the level of conversation so he could understand the situation. I had the Chief (E-9) talk to him in colorful metaphors and the SFC was much more understanding and cooperative. :)
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink
Heeeeee….
I can always count on you assholes to prove me right when I call you bigots.
And you are too stupid to even know it.
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I feel so much better now kfg, now that you have categorized and chastised me. :D
Chas, you call the Preacher Police on Nathan yet?
We’re all waiting for the trial.
Well regular, why don’t you lower the level of the conversation so that I can understand the depths of your supreme epistemology on this subject? Please enlighten me as to how the Army is not only far from breaking, but can actually open a new theater of operations in Iran? I think I asked this yesterday didn’t I?
“Chas, you call the Preacher Police on Nathan yet?”
Max, would you knock it off. Of course Chas has called the “Preacher Police” because he would never lie and he said he would call.
Or else, we just misread his typing, again.
Max, if you think I would discuss that matter further, you are even more stupid than I thought! :roll:
LLTVET
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink
Well regular, why don’t you lower the level of the conversation so that I can understand the depths of your supreme epistemology on this subject? Please enlighten me as to how the Army is not only far from breaking, but can actually open a new theater of operations in Iran? I think I asked this yesterday didn’t I?
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Actually the “new operations of theater in Iran” was your idea not mine.
I think Iran can be effectively controlled by other means.
I think McCaffrey had more concerns about the National Guard rather than the main body of the Army. If one has been around long enough, they always hear whines from the National Guard when they are asked to serve on active duty. Happens every time there is a conflict. I mean, not like they were not aware of that would be required to service on active duty if the situation required it.
Besides, I already outline my plan of what I would do if I was in charge (which I’m not.)
I would pull out all troops from Iraq in 24 months, leaving a mobile force to assist and train the Iraqis.
I would then redeploy a concentrated force in Afghanistan and pound the bejeebers out of the Taliban and other infiltrated insurgents.
However, I’m not in charge and no sense in getting my knickers in a twist about something I can’t change.
Thank you Regular. We can now agree. Now these good folks can talk about corn prices and I can go to my meeting. Sorry to keep posting people. Don’t mind me anymore.
Hud
Posted May 7, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink
“Chas, you call the Preacher Police on Nathan yet?”
Max, would you knock it off. Of course Chas has called the “Preacher Police” because he would never lie and he said he would call.
Or else, we just misread his typing, again.
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I’m waiting for the trial. Should be an “OJ” type of courtroom entertainment.
Nathan will have the right to face his accuser, and being a public trial, we will have the right to attend.
I can’t wait to see it!
Yep even more stupid than I thought. Just cant fix stupid! Max, SHOVE IT!!!
Chas
Posted May 7, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
Max, if you think I would discuss that matter further, you are even more stupid than I thought!
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Chas you said you weren’t reading my posts or responding! Did you lie – twice?!?
Can’t wait for your trial with Nathan. The point-counter-point with Nathan’s posts followed by Chas’s posts, etc….
Of course, certain names would be made public too.
Folks, bring popcorn!
I wonder, will the “reverend” be there in his holy cloth? Will he walk in erectus with hands folded softly in prayer. Head bowed in reverence?
Will the dastardly and dirty but well bronzed leather skinned Nathan, with his clean cut haircut, emaculately dressed in his dress blues and ribbons and badges appear?
Will the chambers be filled with bloggers?
Repukes on the right (naturally)
and the libs on the left?
Will we see a liberal judge?
Will we see a blue and red jury?
AmWay, I assume the first trial would be a military trial, the 2nd would be a civil lawsuit.
Should be a double feature.
Not sure the court would allow a preacher’s robe in court though, separation of church and state and all…
How much integrity are the Democrats willing to trade away in order for an underachieving junior senator to be elected to the Oval Office just because he’s black?
Will they later regret that he hangs with the like of known homophobes, like Donnie McClurkin? The guy who thinks you can “pray” away homosexuality?
Will they later regret that he supports a division in Americans by race?
Will the Democrats regret trading away their moral platform of uniting and treating all equally?
They might.
“Will the Democrats regret trading away their moral platform of uniting and treating all equally?”
When did the Democrats adopt this platform? Show me the specifics – in writing.
Doesn’t sound like a fair competition to me!
Boeing KC-767 Tanker: Sized Right for the Fight
Wednesday May 7, 12:23 pm ET
ST. LOUIS, May 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — The KC-767 Advanced Tanker developed by Boeing (NYSE: BA – News) was sized to meet the aerial refueling requirements of the U.S. Air Force’s mission and exceeded performance requirements to replace the aging, yet storied fleet of KC-135 medium tankers.
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Despite the fact that the stated parameters for evaluating the aircraft said no extra credit would be assigned for exceeding certain requirement objectives, the Northrop Grumman and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) team received such credit. As a result, the oversized Airbus A330-based KC-30 was selected. Boeing has protested the decision to the U.S. Government Accountability Office.
According to the Statement of Objectives for the KC-X program, the primary mission of the new tanker would be aerial refueling rather than hauling cargo or transporting passengers. In order to meet the documented mission requirements, Boeing offered the KC-767, which efficiently fulfills the vital mission of a mid-sized aerial refueling fleet while also exceeding the highest requirements for airlift, passenger and aeromedical evacuation capabilities.
“Tanker flight crews are asked to bring the right amount of fuel to the fight in the most efficient, reliable manner, and the KC-767 meets that fundamental requirement,” said Mark McGraw, vice president, Boeing Tanker Programs. “Asking these aircrews to fly longer missions in larger, less survivable planes with more fuel capacity than needed and vast amounts of unused cargo and passenger space just doesn’t add up.
“The Boeing KC-767 exceeded the requirements in a manner that still kept the plane right-sized and efficient,” McGraw said. “Our competition likes to talk about offering more, more, more — but in reality, the KC-30 will cost more to operate, more to maintain, and more to house, with the U.S. taxpayer footing the bill.”
A larger plane — like the KC-30 tanker offered by Northrop Grumman and EADS — simply results in wasted capacity, wasted efficiency and wasted taxpayer dollars.
The contrasts between the KC-767 and the KC-30 are notable and worth considering in determining the appropriate tanker for the mission:
— Fuel Capacity — The historical average offload on a tanker mission is
60,000 to 70,000 pounds of fuel. The Air Force fuel offload requirement
was set at 94,000 pounds of fuel at 1,000 nautical miles, comfortably
above the historical average. The KC-767 exceeded the 94,000-pound
requirement by 20 percent while remaining within the optimum size for
medium tanker operations. The KC-30 fuel capacity exceeded that
requirement by 50 percent — meaning more than half of its fuel load
would be unused during an average mission. The result: a large tanker
that burns more fuel and requires significantly higher costs in
maintenance and support.
— Cargo/Passenger Capacity — In 2006, the Air Force moved less than
1 percent of its cargo and passengers in tankers. The KC-767 does offer
significantly more cargo and passenger capacity than the KC-135, but
not at the expense of airplane size or efficiency. Again, the KC-30
carries more passengers and slightly more cargo based on weight, but
with a bigger, less survivable and more costly plane.
— Aeromedical Evacuation — The Air Force Request for Proposals set an
objective requirement of being able to carry 24 litters and 26
ambulatory patients. The KC-767 carries 30 litters and 67 ambulatory
patients, far exceeding the highest requirement. The Air Force praised
the KC-767’s superior aeromedical crew stations, its ability to
generate oxygen onboard, and the power provided for aeromedical crew
systems. The KC-30 again offered more quantity with less quality and
less survivability.
A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world’s largest space and defense businesses specializing in innovative and capabilities-driven customer solutions. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $32.1 billion business with 71,000 employees worldwide.
“AmWay, I assume the first trial would be a military trial, the 2nd would be a civil lawsuit.”
You mean a military courts-martial? I don’t think :: Chas will be allowed inside.
And in a civil trial Chas could get a court appointed lawyer.
Not so the civil lawsuit.
He would have to pay for an attorney.
“When did the Democrats adopt this platform?”
Wrong question. When did they get morals?
“Doesn’t sound like a fair competition to me!
Phantom
Since when does it have to be fair?
I’d tell you to write your congressman and complain – but they’ve already decided.
I don’t care who you are, these guys are a hoot.
http://www.redstateupdate.com/
“There are certain statistical analysis methods that let a researcher know when they might be lying to themselves with misapplied statistical analysis. Lucia over at rankexploits.com has been reviewing IPCC projections using advanced statistical methods” — hlp
Statistical analysis: A reputable branch of mathematics that can be used to support a view that global warming is not a danger, but is useless when applied to extrapolations of war casualties.
May 7th, 2008.
Still have not been contacted by anyone yet Chas.
Chas,
From last night….
You can believe whatever you want to. That doesn’t make you a Christian and that doesn’t make you correct.
beber
Posted May 7, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
“There are certain statistical analysis methods that let a researcher know when they might be lying to themselves with misapplied statistical analysis. Lucia over at rankexploits.com has been reviewing IPCC projections using advanced statistical methods” — hlp
Statistical analysis: A reputable branch of mathematics that can be used to support a view that global warming is not a danger, but is useless when applied to extrapolations of war casualties.
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Yes beber, extrapolating a body count by interviewing living people who are a bit too eager to get payment for death settlements (Iraqi and Arabic customary laws) is suspect.
Well, Beber,
The problem with convincing people that AGW is a problem is. . .well,. . .sooner or later there has to be actual evidence that the earth is warming.
Also, sooner or later if it is warming there has to be actual evidence that. . .well,. . .man is causing it.
Then, if the earth is warming and if man is causing it you have to convince people that. . .well,. . .the earth warming a degree or two in the next 100 years or so is actually harmful.
As of now there is no indication that the earth is warming. There is no evidence that man is causing it. There is no evidence that man can cause it. There is evidence that in the past when the earth went through a natural warming cycle that it was actually beneficial to mankind.
Good luck!
A falsehood often used by AGW deniers,
“We’ve had almost nine years of stable global temperatures…”
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/05/no_global_warming_didnt_stop_i.php
I have tried posting this every way I know, removing links and changing the order of text etc… Every time, it is “awaiting moderation”. This, of course, means that it will never happen. So, I will try to post it in pieces.
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AL GORE CALLS MYANMAR CYCLONE A CONSEQUENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080506160205.aspx
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I recall that when we had the lack of the predicted global warming related hurricane activity and the abnormally cold winter especially January we were reminded that you can’t legitimately tie individual variations or weather events to global warming or global cooling.
Would somebody please remind Al? He is desperate to sound important and keep the global warming bandwagon rolling. So, he is making use of the 50,000 or so dead. Good ol’ Al.
outlander – we did not have a particularly cold january. And last year was fairly active – just managed to stay steered south of the US. That, in afct, is related to the drought in the southeast.
You deniers are starting to be sort of like a loud bout of flatulence at a dinner party.
Everyone glances your direction for a few seconds with startled stares.
Then everyone moves to open the distance between themselves and you.
Another tactic used by AGW deniers, since they do not have any credible science to support their opinions,
‘Heartland Still Misrepresenting 500 Scientists as “Co-authors” of Denial Paper’
http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-still-misrepresenting-500-scientists-as-co-authors-of-denial-paper
“Although Heartland President and CEO Joseph Bast conceded on Monday that his organization had been wrong to present the scientists as people who personally and professionally doubted the proof of humankind’s impact on the climate, he refused to respond to the demands from dozens of those scientists to have their names removed entirely from the web-published “paper.”
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We at the DeSmogBlog have received outraged emails from six dozen of Bast’s “co-authors” and we have contacted fewer than 150 out of the 500. They didn’t work on this paper; they didn’t authorize the use of their names; and they object strenuously to the spin that Avery has put on their legitimate scientific research.”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dennis_Avery
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
Doesn’t this graph show a very cold January 2008, Ben?
And remember, after the four Florida hurricanes and Katrina, the predictions of frequent severe hurricanes?
And wasn’t 2006 less active than normal and screwed up that prediction?
And isn’t hurricane frequency and severity really documented to run in cycles?
So, is Al Gore full of crap of what?
Which world are you posting from today outlander?
“And remember, after the four Florida hurricanes and Katrina, the predictions of frequent severe hurricanes?”
The prediction that global warming would lead to more hurricanes was more a media prediction than a scientific one, just as popular presentations years ago concerning a new Ice Age. Some prognosticators did predict more hurricanes. Also, you have to include what is going on in the Pacific and Indian oceans, as well as the Atlantic. Again, it’s called global warming, not United States warming.
I don’t have any idea whether there is a pattern of more large oceanic storms. However, I’m pretty sure that none of you do either.
outlander,
Instead of attacking Al Gore, you should attack the scientists he relies on.
Re tropical storms,
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/index/#Extreme
Earth just experienced its warmest Northern Hemisphere winter on record, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.
http://www.wunderground.com/education/2007winter.asp
Are Category 4 and 5 hurricanes increasing in number?
In September 2005, a paper published in Science magazine reported that worldwide, the number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes had increased 80% in the past 30 years. The paper, (Webster et al., 2005), titled “Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment”, linked the rise in storms to increasing sea surface temperatures and concluded that “global data indicate a 30-year trend toward more frequent and intense hurricanes.” The authors, led by Dr. Peter Webster of Georgia Tech and Dr. Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, argued that this was consistent with climate models that have predicted a future increase in frequency of the most intense hurricanes due to human-emitted greenhouse gases. This paper, along with another paper published in August, “Increasing Destructiveness of Tropical Cyclones over the past 30 years”, by Dr. Kerry Emanuel of MIT, showing an increase in hurricane power and longevity in recent years, created a huge stir in the media. However, there is a large amount of uncertainty in the hurricane intensity data used by both papers, and their findings should be considered as preliminary evidence that the global incidence of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes may be increasing. There are good reasons to believe that the actual increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes is far lower than the 80% increase found by Webster et al.
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Not the 80% found by Webster but a definite increase in severity.
As for 2006 it was an active year. Just ask Central America and Asia. Nobody ever said each year would set a new record.
How to Have it Both Ways:
“So a German study, published by Nature last week, claimed that, while the world is definitely warming, it may cool down until 2015 “while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions”.”
Far lower, hmmmmm
How to Have it Both Ways, Part II:
“the actual increase in Category 4 and 5 hurricanes is far lower than the 80% increase found by Webster et al.”
Ben, I have a question in regard to Cadillac Lake out west. How exactly does one move a wetlands?
I may not be the most knowledgeable about the subject, but it seems to me that the wetlands is there by nature’s force. What will nature’s force do once its current wetlands home is gone? Who is picking up the tab to move it, and who pays for the inevitable flooding that will occur in that area, taxpayers??
“Build a coal plant, save the Amazon”
“Curbing a notorious form of industrial pollution may ironically harm Amazonia, one of the world’s natural treasures and a key buffer against global warming, a study released Wednesday has found.
Its authors see a strong link between a decrease in sulphur dioxide emissions from coal-fired power plants and a rise in sea temperature in the northern Atlantic that was blamed for wreaking a devastating drought in western Amazonia in 2005.”
These scam companies ought to have their war contracts taken back. Shame on them.
AP IMPACT: An islands tax haven for US defense contractor By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer
53 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – When the Pentagon announced an obscure California company had won a lucrative military contract, no one mentioned any plans for a Caribbean outpost — a tropical shell the company quickly created that allowed it to duck millions in taxes and deflect U.S. lawsuits.
ADVERTISEMENT
It’s legal, at least for now. Contractors large and small have been heading offshore to shield piles of taxpayer dollars, according to an Associated Press investigation, but irate lawmakers are thundering that they’ll put an end to it.
Almost a decade ago, a few months after winning the deal that has totaled more than $2 billion, Combat Support Associates established its subsidiary in the Cayman Islands, a British territory and tax haven.
The subsidiary, CSA Ltd., now employs about 2,000 American citizens in Kuwait, where they support U.S. forces moving in and out of Iraq. Yet as a foreign corporation doing work outside the United States, CSA Ltd. does not pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for these workers. Also, company officials maintain the subsidiary is outside the jurisdiction of U.S. courts, so federal labor rules and anti-discrimination laws don’t apply either.
In fact, there’s scant evidence that CSA Ltd. exists — at least physically. There’s no listed office address or phone number in the Cayman Islands. Records show the corporation is registered with Close Brothers, an investment house that serves as its shallow footprint in the Caymans.
Close Brothers operates out of a five-story, blue-windowed office building across the street from the docks used by cruise ships visiting this island paradise. There’s no sign of CSA Ltd., however. “We can’t make any comments in regards to our clients,” Close Brothers director Roger Priaulx said by telephone.
Back in the U.S., the House of Representatives passed tax legislation a few weeks ago that would treat foreign subsidiaries of U.S. government contractors as American employers. That means they would have to pay the taxes that finance Social Security and Medicare programs. The Senate is now considering the legislation.
“Companies that avoid this responsibility undermine the country
outlander
Posted May 7, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
“So, is Al Gore full of crap of what?”
Yes.
“It’s legal, at least for now.”
So, where is the story?
“Companies that avoid this responsibility undermine the country”
Perhaps that should read “Legislatures should wake up”
Hey Phantom, ever hear of CIA backed “private” industries? How about Air America back in the ‘Nam’ days?
Be careful or you could be feeding the beetles in some Carribean jungle.
Nathaniel
Posted May 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink
outlander
Posted May 7, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
“So, is Al Gore full of crap of what?”
Yes.
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over flowing
Yeah, that’s why they gave him the Nobel Prize.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/84248/
Looks like a journalist finally had the balls to ask McCain if he called his wife a c*nt.
McCain didnt’ answer, the journalist was removed from the town hall meeting and questioned by social service.
Didnt’ I tell you he’s just like BUSH?
THat should say secret service.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080507/tsc-environment-climate-warming-amazon-p-b1f5339.html
Here’s the link to fleettwood’s article.
In true CON fashion, he neglects to point out that the conclusions of the study re-inforce the global warming model rather than refute it.
QUOTE
The aerosols, while a bad pollutant, indirectly ease the problem of global warming as they reflect sunlight, making it bounce back into space rather than warm the Earth’s surface.
AND
“To improve air quality and safeguard public health, we must continue to reduce aerosol pollution, but our study suggests that these needs to be accompanied by urgent reductions in carbon dioxide emissions to minimise the risk of Amazon forest dieback,” said Cox.
The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) last year warned that rising global temperatures could transform much of South America’s rain forests into semi-arid savannah-like areas within five decades.
“… while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions”.”
Short-term natural variations are stronger than the long-term, man-made global warming.
That does not mean that man-made global warming is not happening.
Note the positive (warming) and negative (cooling) 8-year trend lines in the graph at,
‘Uncertainty, noise and the art of model-data comparison’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison/
See also (at above page)
Update:
UK Met Office data (instead of GISS data) with 8-year trend lines
http://www.realclimate.org/images/hadcru-8yr.jpg
GISS data with 7-year trend lines (instead of 8-year).
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-7yr.jpg
GISS data with 15-year trend lines.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
“These graphs illustrate that the 8-year trends in the UK Met Office data are of course just as noisy as in the GISS data; that 7-year trend lines are of course even noisier than 8-year trend lines; and that things start to stabilise (trends getting statistically robust) when 15-year averaging is used.
This illustrates the key point we were trying to make: looking at only 8 years of data is looking primarily at the “noise” of interannual variability rather than at the forced long-term trend.
This makes as much sense as analysing the temperature observations from 10-17 April to check whether it really gets warmer during spring.”
Capn,
And the point that AGW is happening was contained in the short snip that fleettwood posted.
““while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions”.” ”
But the BDP does not seem to understand what he posted.
Oh, Bill just nudged me to add:
The B word. (Bill said not the B word that ryhmes with witch, but the one that rhymes with Custard)
Hillary called you that?
Alliance Defense Fund attorneys originally filed suit on behalf of Dennis Green, of Raleigh, NC, in 2005, after officials threatened him with arrest for not adhering to the city’s so-called “permit process” when conducting a 2003 public protest against abortion, and are now headed back to federal appeals court. Last month, a three judge panel of the appeals court ruled against Green and now ADF wants the full 4th Circuit Court of Appeals to consider the case.
Enforcement of permits for protected speech is just another way of stifling pro-life speech, and cannot be tolerated in the USofA.
“Parrish, a 45-year-old Baptist minister and technology business owner, said he attended the event specifically to confront McCain about the rumor.
“This is about character,” Parrish said, when reached by telephone afterward.”
Yeah. Whose? A baptist minister lying about being a member of the press? Or McCain, upon whom there is an unsubstantiated charge.
“Hmmm, a Baptist minister lying about being a member of the press, and using disgusting language.”
Maybe people need to Google “Marty Parrish”. Just maybe he is not a “Baptist minister”.
Did you ever think that he could be BOTH.
Max, you pos, don’t call Hillary a CNT.
That’s the most offensive, the fact that he abused his wife right in front of an audience, and go figure, the neocons support that.
It really doesn’t matter who the guy was, it’s about time someone asked him. Why is the press sitting on this story? McCain obviously did it by how he refused to answer the question. Of course McCain supporters would applaud calling his wife a cnt, they probably all go home and beat their wives like good Christian wifeowners.
Parkay Newman, the opposition always checks for permit requirements before protesting, you’d think that you people would too. I know you know the laws. And I also know you support keeping protesters away from Bush…so what’s the difference?
Your side blows up and shoots people, gee I don’t know WHY they’d want a buffer zone between you nuts and the clinic staff and patients.
Political_mama can you give me the names of the person or person who heard McCain?
I’d want to know if any candidate ever used the N word too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html
Now if he said this in public,even WITH witnesses that support him, surely this report can be substantiated. Now why can’t McCain just say whether or not he did or did not call his wife a trollup and a c*nt?
Its not that hard of a question now is it- and why would that constitute being escorted from the building and being questioned by the SS.
” McCain’s excuse was that it had been a long day”
Gee, I hate to think of him having the “button” after a long day … especially if he is singing Hagee’s theme song!
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/busted-mccains-cnt-questioner-huffpo.html
BUSTED!! McCain’s “C*nt Questioner” Is a Huffpo Reporter!! …
Update: It Was a Team Effort!
Senator Joe Biden stands with his campaign office manager Marty Parrish.
Obama Supporter and Former Joe Biden Campaign Office Manager, Marty Parrish, crashed John McCain’s town hall meeting yesterday determined to ask Senator McCain if he had called his wife a c*nt (Video HERE).
Marty Parrish is a Huffington Post contributor.
How do we know?
…Because, that’s how he registered when he arrived at the event yesterday.
(signature of Marty Parrish and Photo of Marty Parrish at the URL above)
If you look at the list you can see that there are two Huffington Post reporters listed- Marty Parrish (the questioner) and Keith Dinsmore.
Guess who was filming Parrish?
Marty Parrish, an Obama supporter, signed in at the press check in as a Huffington Post reporter.
Huffington Post??
And the right thinkers are accused of quoting Rush?
Oh, brother.
Here’s a video of Marty Parrish, Obama supporter, asking the disgusting question.
video of the accusation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOl4iT46Eec&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/democratic-operative-asks-mccain-if-he.html
Because Political_Mama, it is simply bad form. Dreadful even. And there is nothing worse than bad form. Unless it’s cold tea. That’s very bad too and can get you expelled from certain fine establishments.
If you will read the Huffington Post article you will see that there are no names. Only three reporters who did not want their name used.
Not saying he did or did not say it just I would like to know who is accusing whom before I start slamming someone.
So McCain should have been escorted from his own shin dig and questioned for CALLING his wife those things in the first place?
It’s abuse. Plain and simple. It’s verbal abuse and not to mention just downright hostile and puts into question other domestic abuse.
Why is it wrong that the reporter just happed to be from the HUff post? It’s a valid question no matter who asked it.
I think Marty Parrish who lied about being a reporter on the sign-in and later lied to the Secret Service about being a Baptist Minister should be brought in front of a Federal Judge for lying to Federal authoriites (Secret Service) and sent to prison for obstruction and/or perjury ((whatever the law states is appropriate)
Marty Parrish is the type of people that support Barak Osama Hussein Obama.
Let the unraveling of the Osama Obama begin.
“It’s verbal abuse and not to mention just downright hostile and puts into question other domestic abuse.”
Methinks you cheapen true verbal abuse.
“…should be brought in front of a Federal Judge…”
From the arbitors of Cheech & Chong Truth:
Bailiff. Whack his PeePee!
“BUSTED!! McCain’s “C*nt Questioner” Is a Huffpo Reporter!! …”
So, whenever we see a report by a FAUX or NewsMax reporter I guess those are busted as well.
bth
Posted May 7, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
“BUSTED!! McCain’s “C*nt Questioner” Is a Huffpo Reporter!! …”
So, whenever we see a report by a FAUX or NewsMax reporter I guess those are busted as well.
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If you can prove conclusively as what was proven about the Huffington Post wannabe’s, the go ahead.
I love to see reporters and fake reporters busted, regardless who they work for. If they are caught doing unprofessional acts or lying about who they are, I say bust them flat.
Fox or Newsmax aside, bust em.
Regular
Posted May 7, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink
I think Marty Parrish who lied about being a reporter on the sign-in and later lied to the Secret Service about being a Baptist Minister should be brought in front of a Federal Judge for lying to Federal authoriites (Secret Service) and sent to prison for obstruction and/or perjury ((whatever the law states is appropriate)
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Dude, first of all, you yourself are a liar, so can we call them to come arrest you? seriously since when is it ILLEGAL to lie about going to a town hall meeting?
“seriously since when is it ILLEGAL to lie about going to a town hall meeting?”
That would be when a Federally protected candidate is there.
Political_mama
Posted May 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted May 7, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink
I think Marty Parrish who lied about being a reporter on the sign-in and later lied to the Secret Service about being a Baptist Minister should be brought in front of a Federal Judge for lying to Federal authoriites (Secret Service) and sent to prison for obstruction and/or perjury ((whatever the law states is appropriate)
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Dude, first of all, you yourself are a liar, so can we call them to come arrest you? seriously since when is it ILLEGAL to lie about going to a town hall meeting?
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Dudette,
Marty Parrish is not a reporter, he got in wearing a fake press pass and signed in as a reporter. Marty Parrish is a political operative and used to be the campaign manager for Senator Joe Biden.
Now Marty Parrish is a political operative for the Obama campaign.
Here’s a video where Fox News Reporter Gibson tore Marty Parrish a new one in an interview.
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/gbw231463695.html
Also, Marty Parrish claims to be an ordained Baptist Minister. He is not listed anywhere as being ordained and since he has been divorced, cannot be ordained as a Baptist Minister.
Regular, Thank you for that post. It paints the portrait of who these people truly, disgusting, slimy, cowards.
I would like to see the proof of what McCain supposedly said P.M., or are just following the others?
or are you just following the others?
Sorry, I like Chas/::, have had a stroke and misplace or leave out words in sentences. My apologies.
Will this Chief of Staff have a better memory than the first? If I were a betting woman, I’d bet not.
“Cheney aide subpoenaed to testify to Congress
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff was subpoenaed on Wednesday to testify in a congressional probe of the administration’s treatment and possible torture of enemy combatants.”
http://tinyurl.com/6guokg
Well Linda it appears that our do nothing congress has finally found something else to do. They have had investigations going on since they took the majority and have yet to have anything substantive come out of these hearings. Unless you want to count poor Scooter who didn’t remember something the same way Tim Russert did and was found quilty of having a bad memory. Wow I am impressed.
They did get the minimum wage past.
Oh I forgot that one. Darn.
fleettwood
Posted May 7, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
They did get the minimum wage past.
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hooooo raaaahhhh
How many Democratic Congressmen does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
The light bulb will not be changed in an election year. A committee will study the light-bulb situation for at least a year. Taxes will have to be raised. A fair and proportionate number of the light-bulb changers will be from minority groups. No Social Security funds will be used to change the bulb.
Each state and congressional district will share in the benefits of changing the light bulb. The blame for the failure of the present bulb will be assigned to the other party. The new bulb will be twice as bright as the old bulb. Because the new bulb is twice as bright as the old bulb, it will cost 130 times as much. A Blue Ribbon Panel will investigate the light-bulb failures and issue a mega-page report to the congress. A fact-finding trip to all countries known to produce light bulbs will be made by most congressmen and their wives. The CIA will investigate the French light-bulb-changing system. Details of the French light-bulb-changing system will be sold to the Chinese by a Chinese American scientist given a work visa from pressure by Senator Obama . The surgeon general will issue a report about the perils of over-bright light bulbs. A program to supply light bulbs to those who cannot afford them will be introduced by Nancy Pelosi. President Bush will give a speech extolling the virtues of kerosene lanterns. Nancy Pelosi will initiate a program of free kerosene for the needy. And finally, each and every congressman will send every one of his constituents a newsletter describing how he managed to get the light bulb changed almost single-handedly. Rebates for free light bulbs will be sent out later in the fiscal year.
“They did get the minimum wage past.”
They could take the Republican approach and see how much borrowed money they can spend in the least amount of time.
Oh, and give some tax breaks to corporations and wealthy Americans.
Oh, I forgot that. Darn.
Mississippi Jim, just how many tours of duty did you serve in Viet Nam?
I guess if I was a dem I would be trying to change the subject too. Imagine – the dems should be running away in this prez election and they will be lucky to win it. Drag out all of the junk you can. Keep the natives busy so they don’t see the ‘chaos’ in their own party.
WS how much money have the dims spent since last November? Just these witch hunts have spent millions. But just keep changing the subject. I understand.
The Democratic Party is running away with this fall’s presidential election – both the fine candidates beat McCain. And by the time primary season ends and a nominee is selected the margin will widen.
I hope they spend enough to catch some of the crooks and hold them accountable. It’s a worthy cause in my books! If only the emails weren’t destroyed, or someone was able to remember or someone else would honor a subpoena. The crooks have made the investigations more difficult but with patience and perseverance there may be a bunch for bush to pardon or commute the sentence or whatever.
“Just these witch hunts have spent millions.”
Nothing like the seventy five million that the Republics spent investigating (witch hunting) Bill Clinton.
I sure wish you cons would get the story straight. Either he was press or wasn’t, and yeah, the Huff posts qualifies. How do you know who is or is not a minister?
Anti talks about it being disgusting to ask a legitimate question of a candidate, and then turns around and pokes fun at someone who had a stroke. Genius, gee I want those good con values!
Hank and Nathan Price, and other AGW deniers rely on the Heartland Institute for their “science”(sic).
‘Fury over ‘unethical’ warming website’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=137&objectid=10508754
“New Zealand climate scientists are upset their names have been used by an American organisation wanting to challenge the increasingly accepted view that climate change is human induced.
Among the five scientists is Niwa principal scientist Dr Jim Salinger, who said he was annoyed the Heartland Institute was trying to use his research to prove a theory he did not personally support.
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Dr Salinger said he was never contacted about his work which was being mis-used to undermine support for the idea that greenhouse gas emissions from human activities, largely fossil fuel burning, was warming the globe.
“I object to the implication that my research supports their position … they didn’t check with me.”
He said that he and the other New Zealand scientists all felt their work had been misinterpreted.
“We say global warming is real.” ”
More at link.
H/T to http://www.desmogblog.com/five-nz-scientists-issue-release-dismissing-heartland-institute
“They could take the Republican approach and see how much borrowed money they can spend in the least amount of time.”
There is good debt and bad debt. Everything is fine. I heard on NPR (you peoples fave) that we are just fine as a percentage of everything else.
Funny, these same dems complain about the spending on the war, but propose ending the war and spending the same amount of money on giveaway programs. The spending would be the same, but the money would, somehow, be better spent.
Linda the dims are patient and persistent. I will agree on that one. The problem is that when there is nothing to find it is a little hard to locate it.
Maybe they can ask Hill and Bill where they hid the Rose law records. That may be where the emails are.
As for the election. I would have agreed with you a few months ago. Now – it’s anyones ballgame. Even McCain who is not my favorite.
Pmom from a woman who thought it was fine for Bill to get a BJ in the oval office you are being a little critical of a man calling his wife a name you don’t think he should have. How do we know this might be a term of endearment in the McCain household just like a BJ isn’t sex in the Clinton household. Be consistent at least.
One of the church’s Marty Parrish claimed to be a minister of.
http://www.fbcwmem.org/
“Marty Parrish is an inactive member of our church. He has never been a minister of this church. Dr. Ron Kirkland.”
UPDATE: West Memphis Church Pastor Ron Kirkland wrote Marty Parrish about his claim that he is a minister:
Marty, I do not doubt that you received a licence from the church. I also do not doubt that the church blessed your decision to go and minister for a summer mission. A license is not recognized in any Baptist Church as anything except a local church’s encouragement of someone who expresses a desire to become a minister of the Gospel. Ordination is what makes a person a minister, but even that is not a permanent designation. You have long ago violated one of our church’s principles for being a Baptist minister with you first divorce and remarriage. When someone is no longer involved in a local church or some church supported itinerant ministry, that person is no longer considered a Baptist Minister, He is a former Baptist minister. That does not mean that you can be useful in the Lord’s work or that God will not forgive you for any of you offences (or mine). You know that I love you as a brother, and my brother has caused a storm for me. You are forgiven, but you are no longer a Baptist Minister.
UPDATE 2: Here is part of the email response I received from Pastor Kirland:
Marty Parrish is a non-resident and inactive member of our church. We do not remove members from our church records until another church asks for them. None have asked for Marty’s records and he is still officially a member of our church. A church member who lives away from the city is called a non-resident member. One who does not attend regularly is called an inactive member. He was inactive before he moved to Iowa. Marty is not, nor has he ever been, a minister of this church or any other Southern Baptist Church. He was licensed by this church at some distant past (he says tin 1980; those who were here at the time say earlier). Marty told me that he was licensed as a teenager just before he left on what was supposed to be a summer mission with some non-Southern Baptist mission in some state other than Arkansas. he stayed after the summer and served two churches as youth minister for a couple of years. A license is only a local church’s encouragement an individual who expresses desire we call a “calling” to become a minister. Apparently, Marty demonstrated some aptitude early during his young adult life. In Southern Baptist life, a license is not considered “ministerial credentials.” Ordination is the level of actual practicing ministers and that usually is after seminary or at least Bible college. Marty did neither. He did not serve on any other church staff after those years. By his own admission, he did not follow the Lord for many more years.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/busted-west-memphis-church-responds-to.html#comments
“Funny, these same dems complain about the spending on the war, but propose ending the war and spending the same amount of money on giveaway programs.”
Jeez, what a CONCEPT! Spend American money on Americans!
Wow!
FACTSHEET: Heartland Institute
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute
“The problem is that when there is nothing to find it is a little hard to locate it.”
What did the Republics find with their seventy five million dollar witch hunt against Clinton?
A blowjob?
That’s it?
For $75 million?
Damn.
fleet, I don’t advocate spending, but would willingly be the very first to state that spending on what you call giveaway programs would be a better way to spend money than bush’s occupation. I think ending the war and ending the runaway spending would be the best approach.
“Spend American money on Americans!”
I thought you people said we are spending too much and borrowing from the Chinese.
Which is it?
“Either he was press or wasn’t, and yeah, the Huff posts qualifies.”
Huff post said he did not work for them. Did you read you own link?
“I thought you people said we are spending too much and borrowing from the Chinese.”
Yep, and spending $275 billion a year in Iraq does not help the situation.
Only in America can $7 billion a year to expand SCHIP can be fiscally irresponsible but spending $275 billion a year on Iraq is necessary.
Chinagate – the Clinton – Gore email coverup
CHINAGATE
NSC e-mail also missing
Letter ‘D’ anomaly, other ‘glitches’ scuttled records on issues like China
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Posted: September 01, 2000
1:00 am Eastern
By Paul Sperry
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON — Computer contractor Yiman F. Salim must have felt like a plumber. The White House e-mail-archiving system had sprung yet another leak, and Salim was called in again to help fix it.
It was April 1999, and she’d found a new problem with the Automated Records Management System put together by the Clinton-Gore team to store and search electronic messages, as required by a 1994 law.
This time, ARMS was rejecting all in-coming e-mail sent to White House users whose first name starts with the letter “D.”
The “bleeding” started in November 1998 — the same month, curiously enough, that a more than two-year gap in records for e-mail sent to the White House server used by President Clinton and his staff had ended. Some 500 users were affected.
So just as Salim and other Northrop Grumman technicians had fixed one leak, another one started (though the letter “D” leak sprung across all five main White House e-mail servers).
Congress, a federal court and the independent counsel have demanded the White House search for the missing e-mail from Clinton’s server and turn it over to them as part of their outstanding subpoenas in various scandal investigations.
Of the estimated million e-mails missing, some are said to involve the Jones-Lewinsky case, Filegate and 1996 Clinton-Gore fund-raising.
Meanwhile, scarce attention has been paid to all the letter “D” e-mails that escaped White House archives from November 1998 to June 1999.
But they may carry national security significance.
Internal White House documents recently obtained under subpoena by Congress show that the letter “D” problem affected 10 times more White House users working at the National Security Council than did the previous archiving problem.
ARMS failed to capture e-mail sent to just two NSC staffers from August 1996 to November 1998.
But from November 1998 to June 1999 — a tense period for the White House, which covered the run-up to the May 1999 release of the Cox report on Chinese espionage — ARMS rejected incoming messages to 21 National Security Council staffers.
One of them is David Halperin, then a director of foreign-policy speechwriting at NSC. His father, Morton Halperin, works at the State Department. He became director of State policy planning in 1998.
A long-time China booster, the senior Halperin urged in the ’60s that the U.S. extend diplomatic recognition to Red China and work for its admission into the United Nations.
In the ’70s, he traveled with pro-China lobbyist Henry Kissinger to then-Peking as an NSC staffer before heading the Center for National Security Studies, a spin-off of the pro-Marxist think tank Institute for Policy Studies. CNSS also is aligned with the National Lawyers Guild, which was formed with the aid of Comintern, or Communist International.
A recent book has linked Halperin to the KGB. And a former State expert on the former Soviet Union told WorldNetDaily recently that Halperin showed up on U.S. embassy briefing cards during the height of the Cold War as a “communist agent.”
Halperin, a Clinton appointee, has worked tirelessly for banning U.S. nuclear weapons, as well as any U.S. spying on groups suspected of un-American activities.
Fifteen State laptops containing highly classified intelligence information have gone missing recently. One of them was checked out to Halperin’s office. Two officials have been punished, but not Halperin.
It’s not clear if the Halperins exchanged e-mails in late 1998 or early 1999. During that time, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and others on his team were locked in fierce negotiations with the bipartisan Cox Commission over how much of the explosive findings to declassify. Berger, a former China lobbyist who argued for censoring most of the report, managed to redact about a third of it.
Berger spokesman David Leavy’s e-mails also are missing for that period.
Adding to suspicions is the White House’s recent admission, overlooked by the press, that still another computer “glitch” — only recently discovered — knocked a two-year hole in all National Security Council e-mail records over a period covering the full length of the Cox investigation, which was launched in early 1998 to look into Clinton approving rocket technology transfers to China.
The gap, as revealed in U.S. court testimony by lawyers for the White House, stretches from June 1997 to August 1999 — a period that also covers the Thompson committee’s Chinagate fund-raising hearings, which began in early July 1997, as well as the belated FBI investigation of Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee, now on trial for mishandling nuclear secrets.
The gaps mean there is no searchable computer record of any messages sent during that time to the National Security Council from outside government agencies, including the FBI, the Attorney General’s office, the Pentagon, Energy, State or the CIA. Any e-mails sent by the Democratic National Committee would also be out of reach.
One of the technicians working on the NSC’s e-mail archiving system at the time was none other than Tung “Eric” Duong, the contractor the White House has hired to head the court-ordered e-mail reconstruction project that’s been hampered by technical setbacks and delays.
Tung, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Vietnam, worked with NSC staffer Brian Cooper, according to a Sept. 4, 1998, memo from White House computer-records manager Tony Barry.
Duong’s Small Business Administration profile, which lists Barry as his lead reference, also shows he’s been cleared by White House security to handle “Secret” information. He worked in the White House from July 1997 to September 1999.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20759
Expand SCHIP to people who can pay themselves?
You people want the safety net (fair) to turn into a hammock (not fair).
There is a name for that kind of goverment. It’s never worked.
“You people want the safety net (fair) to turn into a hammock (not fair).”
That is why 43 governors, Democratic and Republic, plus majorities of the both the House and Senate voted FOR the expansion of SCHIP.
All those sons-of-bitches must have been socialists.
But spending $275 billion per year on Iraq is fair, right?
WS I know your memory fails you at times so I will remind you that it was about much more than the BJ. That came about because the prez lied to a grand jury. The real investigation resulted in:
“* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.”
I can hardly wait to see Hillary and Bill back in the White House.
WS some of us feel that national security is worth every penny we spend on it. And by the way that short memory is back because the SCHIP bill was vetoed not because it would insure more needy children but because the language was designed to add illegals and some middle class adults. This would have taken money from the very children it was meant to cover.
“A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions”
There were more than 100.
What does that have to do with spending millions in current investigations into official wrongdoing by the Bush administration and spending $75 million to investigate the Clintons?
Why is it okay to spend all that money investigating the Clintons but spending money to investigate the Bush administration is wrong?
I didn’t say it was wrong. I said a dead end investigation into something many think is justified has kept this congress busy ever since they got the majority. They promised big things. We’re still waiting.
The scoundrels will hum the Battle hymn of the Republic while they set up an offshore corp. office to avoid paying taxes on profits, and avoid liability, while they collect the American taxpaying sucker’s money.
Should that male prostitute friend of bush and rove be charged for passing himself off as a reporter too, and gaining access to the White House press room?
Just wonderin.
“WS some of us feel that national security is worth every penny we spend on it.”
What does/did the War of Choice on Iraq have to do with national security?
“was vetoed not because it would insure more needy children but because the language was designed to add illegals”
The specific language of the SCHIP bill prohibited anyone other than American citizens from being eligible.
“some middle class adults.”
Bullshit.
“I said a dead end investigation into something many think is justified”
It is only “dead end” in the eyes of the guilty Republics.
Well WS just as I did you posted some opinions. So I guess we are at an impasse. I still think what I posted is right. I just read the language. You should do likewise. Wasted enough time on here today.
“But spending $275 billion per year on Iraq is fair, right?”
The Constitution requires the goverment to do just a very few things. Paying for insurance is not one of them.
Our Congress voted to go into Iraq. Perhaps you should send a letter to Pelosi or Reid.
After all, they ran on getting us out of Iraq, not me.
“I just read the language”
No you didn’t – if you had – you would have known that the bill specifically limited SCHIP to American citizens.
“Our Congress voted to go into Iraq”
Based on tainted intel from the Bush administration.
Crime like this can’t happen to you. Don’t worry about it. Just dial 911 if something like this does happen while you are at a convenience store or the barber shop.
Robbers strike convenience store
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/396539.html
Barber shop shooting may be tied to ‘driving issue’ weeks ago
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/396515.html
Based on tainted intel from the Bush administration.
Hogwash. You’ve read what you people had to say beforehand.
The problem is the Bush folks couldn’t find a couple of people to go out into the desert in the middle of the night and bury a goddamned WMD in the sand.
Dopes.
“Only a frustrated ole C*unt would go on and on and on and on about this.”
Isn’t that the definition?
Better to keep your mouth shut and let others think you’re as asshole, Max..rather than open your mouth and remoove all doubt.
“Hogwash. You’ve read what you people had to say beforehand.”
Sigh, 321st time – those quote are from the time BEFORE the inspectors returned to Iraq. If Bush had just waited another month, 4,050 Americans would still be alive and we wouldn’t have had to borrow $1 trillion from the Chinese.
Damn – can’t you Cons get that through your thick skulls?
“The new version will probably give Republicans some face-saving alterations but no substantive change. Democratic leaders suggested that they could add language clarifying that the program would not cover families with incomes above 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or about an annual income of about $60,000 for a family of four. And they would tighten language to ensure that the children of illegal immigrants would not receive benefits.”
WS this from the Washington Post might suggest you are mistaken.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101800095.html
If it originally excluded illegals why change the language?
I am now out of here.
Good Nite
“And they would tighten language to ensure that the children of illegal immigrants would not receive benefits.””
Tighten language – hardly “changing” the scope of the law.
Even your hero Senator Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) says the law never included illegal immigrants.
A girl, age 14, of Bridgeton, NJ, identified only as I.S., gave birth to a baby boy in a toilet stall at the Cumberland County Fairgrounds in Millville, NJ last weekend, then placed the infant in the toilet tank to drown. She is charged with murder. The tiny body was found Monday morning following a Cinco de Mayo celebration at the fairgrounds. An autopsy determined that the baby was born alive and died of drowning.
Even if there were no safe abandonment laws for newborns, there can be no excusing or justifying such a murder of the innocent, regardless of the mother’s age or circumstances, except for insanity.
A team of international astronomers has uncovered part of the missing matter in the universe.
Only about 5% of our universe is made of normal matter as we know it, consisting of protons and neutrons, or baryons, which along with electrons, form the building blocks of ordinary matter. The rest of our universe is composed of elusive dark matter (23%) and dark energy (72%), which means science cannot explain what it is, or what is looks or act like. Half of the ordinary baryonic matter has til now been unaccounted for, since all the stars, galaxies and gas observable in the universe account for less than a half of all the baryons that should be around. Then astronomers observed a bridge of hot gas connecting a pair of galaxy clusters, accounting for more stuff. They think that the discovery of this hot gas will help better understand the “evolution of the cosmic web”.
Meanwhile, the other 95% of our universe’s stuff is still entirely a mystery.
(Job 38:4-35; Isaiah 40:21-23; Jeremiah 31:35-37)
Maybe we’ll eventually learn something.
Cheney aide subpoenaed to testify to Congress By Thomas Ferraro
Wed May 7, 6:24 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff was subpoenaed on Wednesday to testify in a congressional probe of the administration’s treatment and possible torture of enemy combatants.
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House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, issued the subpoena to David Addington a day after it was authorized by a House panel.
The administration contends its aides can not be forced to testify. But Addington has indicated he may do so if subpoenaed, congressional staffers said.
Megan Mitchell, spokeswoman for the vice president’s office, said, “I can confirm that we have received the subpoena. We are reviewing it and will respond accordingly.”
The subpoena orders Addington to appear on June 26 before the House Judiciary’s subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, which is examining the administration’s treatment of detainees.
Addington reportedly played a key role in drafting U.S. strategies to combat terrorism after the September 11 attacks on the United States.
Bush maintains the United States does not torture, but he has refused to discuss interrogation techniques, saying he does not want to tip off the enemy.
The CIA has acknowledged using a simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding on three terrorism suspects, but says it stopped using that method in 2003.
Waterboarding has been condemned by human rights groups, foreign countries and many U.S. lawmakers as torture.
Former Attorney General John Ashcroft and John Yoo, a former deputy assistant attorney general, have agreed to testify before the Judiciary subcommittee.
Bush has invoked executive privilege in rejecting congressional subpoenas for a number of current and former aides, many sought in a probe of the firing in 2006 of nine federal prosecutors.
In March, the House Judiciary Committee filed suit in U.S. District Court asking it to direct White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten to produce subpoenaed documents and order former White House counsel Harriet Miers to comply with a subpoena and testify about the ousted prosecutors.
A ruling is not expected for at least several months.
KSGRM you are such a tool. Just like Republicon. Personally I can’t wait to meet him.
Max, beaten any women up lately? Big man? Only a punk would defend a man who calls his wife a c*nt.
Glad to know you think so lowly of women to use the word.
Parkay, cheering for the loss of the life of a baby and a teen again I see. Yep, that’s what you keep working for, punishing women and girls left without choice. I know if you ever do manage to get abortion illegal (which won’t happen), you’ll be cheering for women who die too.
14 is too young to have a baby, that’s what happens when they have NOBODY TO TURN TO.
I asked Hank and Nathan and the others a few days ago why it was so important to prove that global warming was false…to justify what? THeir earnings? Allowing them to rape the earth? Seriously I want to know what you gain from denying global warming? Do you just get off destroying the earth for kicks?
Just wondering why the Muslim hordes hadn’t taken over Europe yet? Wasn’t that one of the big predictions from Planet Wingnut?
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php/index.php/index.php/index.php?pageId=38700
P.M.-”Anti talks about it being disgusting to ask a legitimate question of a candidate, and then turns around and pokes fun at someone who had a stroke. Genius, gee I want those good con values!”
A legitimate question has basis. Where is your proof McCain said that? I personally think the guy is a douche, but you do need a basis for accusations. If you don’t, then you wouldn’t mind someone asking Hillary why she killed 150 Mexicans for saying chovel instead of shovel, or why Obama likes to cheat on his wife with white women because he is really two races and it is a loop-hole.
Put on your bra, shave your pits, put on your pantsuit and think with logic P.M.
Political Mama,
My apologies, I didn’t see your question.
It is not important for me to prove Global Warming false. The very question presupposes so much as does your entire string of questions.
I simply don’t believe that the evidence for Global Warming being caused by man is that solid, nor do I think that the Global Warming they are talking about is that bad.
I look at the issue of Global Warming politically first. If you look at the so called solutions proposed to fight it, you will see the same old power control schemes of governments. They are not solutions at all. Just an excuse to control the energy market by many different people with different motivations.
I could rewrite Nathan’s post.
I see no evidence of “God”.
And “God” is used to justify many political controls and laws.
God himself isn’t collecting checks and building a kings fortune like Gore is. Isn’t it you BlueJay that HATES RICH WHITE MEN?
“Nathaniel” admits –
“I look at the issue of Global Warming politically first.”
See? And that’s what makes you a wingnut.
You start out with a political point-of-view then cherry pick arguments and evidence to fit your prejudice.
It’s the old “don’t confuse me with the facts” approach to public policy.
“I look at the issue of Global Warming politically first.”
See? And that’s what makes you a wingnut.
**********
Score, set, and point to MonkeyHawk. Mr. Price please pick up your loser’s bracket consulation prize – a kick in the butt that you richly deserve.
Steven,
MonkeyHawk made a strawman argument by making statements about me I have never said.
I would hardly call that a victory.
I didn’t take you as a cheerleader, but if you want to be one, you should find a better person than the likes of MonkeyHawk to put a skirt on for.
StevenEDavis, surly you can see the MASSIVE political gain and profit one could obtain by promoting and exaggerating GW. Do you really, honestly believe Gore is specifically promoting this because he sincerely cares about the environment as opposed to the companies he has set up or is invested in that would receive great profit from GW regulations?
Nathaniel posted May 7, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“I simply don’t believe that the evidence for Global Warming being caused by man is that solid, …”
That’s probably because Nathan Price does not understand that theories about D-O events, solar activity, etc, do not refute the AGW theory.
Nathan’s pasts posts prove that he prefers to believe people like Dennis Avery, an agricultural economist, instead of the climate scientists.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-57/#comment-344355
The finance people are using the term “toilet paper dollar”….
Anti–
If your goal is to shock readers with a combination of hatefilled insult coupled with mindnumbing ignorance, you have succeeded.
When I read what you write, I am reminded of what H. L. Menken said of a particularly bad president:
he writes the worst English that I have ever encountered. It reminds me of a string of wet sponges; it reminds me of tattered washing on the line; it reminds me of stale bean soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abysm (I was about to write abscess!) of pish, and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash.
Nah more likely it is the Price family petro stocks speaking here.
Oh and “Anti” is James “Regular”
Nathan even says not “SO BAD”..so he admits that it IS bad for the environment, he just doesn’t think it’s SO bad.
That’s my excuse for opposing smoking bans too.
However, it would still be better and healthier for me if I quit smoking, and I readily admit that.
So Nathan, if you know it is bad, but not so bad, do you really care to do what you can for the environment, even if it’s a small thing or a big thing? It slays me that the supposed Christians are the ones who are ok with beating up the earth. God gave the earth to us to use up? Still planning on being raised into the air soon?
I guess we could use the same religious argument for stem cells then and abortion and..
God gave us the ability to use it so therefore we should.
I’m glad that you’ll be dead and won’t care in 50 years, but I’m not going to count on anyone being raised into the air. I’m going to be as cautious about the earth as I can be. I guess you can justify anything if you just keep telling yourself that God will fix it anyway.
Interesting CapnCuba, I feel exactly the same for you.
Oh I get it, anti is Beber…beber likes to degrade women because he likes the little girls, right anti?
Must be Max too.
it maybe bad English Capn, but it is all true.
For instance, consider Anti’s statement of all the “gain” would could get from promulgating the Global Warming myth.
Particularly since there’s absolutely no gain in putting forward the concept that Global Warming isn’t happening.
You know, what the f***ing oil and coal companies pay people to say . . .
“Anti” is apparently short for “anti thinking.”
No, Anti, the only profit and gain to be had is from those who oppose global warming, and believe that Coal and Oil is the future.
They only want to protect those pollutants as not so bad…and fantastic profits for them.
Heh, you read my mind, JR . . .
BlueJay is an oddly incompetent, coward, and selfish person, who looks after himself rather than his kid, and oddly brags of his high IQ as he pushes a lawnmower…..
Political Mama,
If you are going to quote me, then perhaps you should actually quote me.
I never used the words “so bad” as you quoted.
I said:
“I simply don’t believe that the evidence for Global Warming being caused by man is that solid, nor do I think that the Global Warming they are talking about is that bad.”
So I have not admitted to it being bad at all. And the rest of your argument based upon things I have not said is basically a strawman argument too.
What is with you people tonight? You can’t argue against what I said so you feel like you have to make up things?
Political_mama
Posted May 7, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink
Oh I get it, anti is Beber…beber likes to degrade women because he likes the little girls, right anti?
-yeah, you can’t justify yourself so you turn to BlueJay tactics…..Classy gal you are!
Nathaniel posted May 7, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“…nor do I think that the Global Warming they are talking about is that bad.”
Yea… great idea Nathan Price!
Let’s change Earth’s atmosphere, change Earth’s climate, acidify and warm the oceans… and then wait and see what happens.
Just two of many, many examples…
‘Australia’s Koalas at risk from climate change’
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080507/D90H04683.html
“Koalas are threatened by the rising level of carbon dioxide pollution in the atmosphere because it saps nutrients from the eucalyptus leaves they feed on, a researcher said Wednesday.”
‘Scientists: Warming may greatest threat to tropical species’
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080506/D90GBPQ80.html
“While global warming is expected to be strongest at the poles, it may be an even greater threat to species living in the tropics, scientists say.”
The best thing that could happen to this blog is if Nathaniel Price were to discover sex with actual females and preoccupy himself with the normal interests of young men instead of spewing his right wing talking points all over cyberspace.
I would be willing to bet that he would “disappear” the moment that he found a willing female partner.
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Political_mama
Posted May 7, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink
“No, Anti, the only profit and gain to be had is from those who oppose global warming, and believe that Coal and Oil is the future.
They only want to protect those pollutants as not so bad…and fantastic profits for them.”
Have you looked at Al Gore and what his financial interest are P.M.? Look at the guy’s lifestyle for Christ sake! I mean has the man that invented the internet not heard of WebEx ect. He is a fraud for your religion!
P.M., still dodging the McCain question you so wonderfully got burned on?
“I would be willing to bet that he would ‘disappear’ the moment that he found a willing female partner.”
Even evolution can’t resolve some problems, Clark.
“I would hardly call that a victory.
“I didn’t take you as a cheerleader, but if you want to be one, you should find a better person than the likes of MonkeyHawk to put a skirt on for.”
Nathan, you got your ass KICKED and you know it. Please… Being so dishonest is not in keeping with your christian hypocrisy. Figure out a better way to lie, okay?
Night, night, chump…
nor can silence SED. Goodnight
Hey “Anti”?
Your 11;14?
Blow your cover much James McCluer?
I don’t like ya much Nathan. But I DO pity you your allies!
Nathan Price, and other AGW deniers,
Suppose someone wrote a paper claiming that the research(sic) done by AGW deniers proved that the AGW theory was true.
That’s basically the reverse of what Dennis Avery did.
‘Fury over ‘unethical’ warming website’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=137&objectid=10508754
“New Zealand climate scientists are upset their names have been used by an American organisation wanting to challenge the increasingly accepted view that climate change is human induced.”
The AGW deniers do not have any credible science, so they misrepresent the work done by the credible scientists.
Steven,
You are like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. For a long while you will be polite and nice.
Then all of a sudden you start to get mean and nasty like tonight.
Yes “BlueJay”, I see your arm is raised. What exactly are you getting at about my “11:14″ post? How would that relate to your “accusation”?
I see the misguided Junior is still accusing me of being other posters.
Perhaps J R would like to reveal his real name and stand up, be a man.
Naw, Junior aka JR aka BlueJay aka JBird is a coward.
He hides safely behind his computer screen, too scared to pop his pointed face out in the open.
bawk bawk bawk
I bet his son is ashamed he has a coward for a dad(cough)
And I use the term (dad) loosely.
“coward”
It appears in the 11:14 post.
And again at 11:43.
ALWAYS with the multi nics James?
Everyone knows you know.
“And I use the term (dad) loosely.”
Well of course you do. You are either the 50 some year old virgin or the guy whose wife ditched him and took the kid among your many nics.
And I’ve exposed you (ICK) again. I’m not here to entertain you. So go and get five more nics. Ya get ignore.
“
Oddly when confronted with facts or logic, the left disappears and then will reappear with a new subject, avoiding all previous conversations. What would this evolutionary tactic be defined, I wonder?
Coward is the consensus BlueJay, what is your point?
Hey Junior,
bawk bawk bawk
cobarde
coward
lâche
Feigling
I’m a troll buster from way back James.
And don’t forget, I’ve seen you.
You live online. I pity you in a way. This is the only social interaction you get I think.
Oops I have mail.
Carry on.
The coward JR aka Junior slinks away to gossip with his gal friends, Steven Davis and CraponAmerica.
They are all joined at the pubis bone.
you accuse but when it comes to a meeting you claim you will be at you don’t show? I told you I didn’t care to meet you and you chastised me. Then you have the nerve to not show up for a meeting you called for and promoted?
It’s a shame that this blog does not have a credibility rating system.
And for jimmymac, they’d need to customize it, to show his large negative credibility rating.
“I see the misguided Junior is still accusing me of being other posters.”
Jeez, McCluer how many different nics have you actually used – how many different personas have you actually used while claiming to be a Viet Nam vet (but too young for ‘Nam) and a never married man (yet your wife left you taking your kid) etc, etc, etc.
The only thing we know to be true about you, McCluer is that you are fat, ugly and walk with a cane.
So, Mississippi Jim, how many tours of duty did you serve in Nam?
And if the answer is none – why do you disgrace the memory of those that died in Viet Nam with your false claims?
Sorry Clark, I don’t talk to alcoholics. Then tend to be irrational and abusive.
Tall and fat?
Hmmm,
Let’s see, I’m about six inches taller than clark and weigh about 40 pounds more. You decide America.
cosmos_originally
Posted May 8, 2008 at 12:20 am | Permalink
It’s a shame that this blog does not have a credibility rating system.
And for jimmymac, they’d need to customize it, to show his large negative credibility rating.
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Missing your name cosmos?
(chortles)
“Let’s see, I’m about six inches taller than clark and weigh about 40 pounds more. You decide America.”
Ya might be six inches taller but you are at least 100 pounds heavier, fat man.
“Then tend to be irrational and abusive.”
How many tours was it, McCluer – you claimed that you served in Nam then said that you were too young.
Which was it?
Or are you just a big, fat ugly liar?
It’s good ya don’t sleep James.
I can’t imagine how you could. All the light on you all the time and all?
Guy get a shave, a bath and reason to live beyond your next check and fight on this blog.
Why do you disgrace Nam vets with your false claims of service in country, McCluer?
A real man would never claim that he served in Nam unless it was true.
Sorry, my bad, you are not a real man.
Sheesh let him post alone you guys. It’s more fun.
Goodnight.
Did your wife leave you McCluer, after your prescription for V-I-A-G-R-A ran out?
Do you know for a fact that “your” kid is really yours?
“Missing your name cosmos?
(chortles)”
No.
My nic still says that I’m ‘cosmos’.
That’s very unlike you jimmymac, aka Regular, JM, K H A N, Republikhan, Republican, ‘blank’, (long list)…
If jimmymac did not lie so much, he would not have to change his nic so often.
WSClark should know about wives leaving him, he’s had multiple wives leave him because of his “short comings.”
cosmos_originally,
“Suppose someone wrote a paper claiming that the research(sic) done by AGW deniers proved that the AGW theory was true.”
cosmos,
Wake up to this fact…WE DON’T CARE!
It’s a non-issue.
You’re like the vagrant on the corner with a ‘The End Is Near’ sign.
The Earth has and will take of itself in its own time, and with out asking cosmos what he thinks. Of course before that happens cosmos will have been coverted to CO2 thousands of years earlier.
Oh cosmos,
I shouldn’t be so hard on you.
I should be glad there are those that are watching things I don’t have much interest in, and they can worry about it for me. Saves me the trouble I guess.
But don’t preach.
I can make so little difference by ’switching light bulbs’, or whatever, I’m not going to fret it. And I can guarantee you I’m not in favor of going back to the stone age, or wrecking the economy and consequently people’s live, or increasing cost with taxes or less efficient power sources to ‘correct’ something we probably can’t effect at all.
Why can’t posters of this blog stop with the personal insults and name calling?
I’m no prude and frequently pepper my language with salty words much to others chagrin. However Max, your post calling PMom the C word was uncalled for and rude. Most women find that word offensive. I think you owe PMom an apology. I sincerely hope other bloggers would say the same thing.
I’m happy to join you in your request for an apology, WichiWomn. Max has shown herself to be a person who only wants to inflame and sensationalize.
Maybe PMom knowing several of us know the truth of both her and Max will be the best we should hope for.
WichiWomn Pmom gives as good as she gets on most days. She was citing an unsubstantiated claim that McCain said something. Max called her on it as did others. She said some pretty unflattering things about him and he responded.
I too called for more civility on the blog a few days ago. Many on both side chose to ignore it. Unless we all show we are better than we look on the blog nothing will change.
The word that “Max” used is a word that weak men use to denigrate women.
We know that “Max” is weak of character.
He may not even be a real character.
On the C-word thing. Some people just cannot responsibly use privileges like being able to post here.
So, the question becomes, what does one do about it? I already scroll past Max’s rants, so I don’t see where I will have to do anything differently.
With this new low, Max really can’t marginalize himself any more, it seems to me.
Neither do we know that Max is a man!!
“Then all of a sudden you start to get mean and nasty like tonight.”
Like most normal people, I have a finite supply of patience. But, I think you’re correct in the sense that it is better to walk away from some silliness, than lowering one’s self to its level.
Steven and Linda you are right in taking Max to task about calling Pmom a name. But where are you when WS and others call those on the right very uncomplementary names. Outrage can only be effective if it is evenhanded.
I will join you to call for civility on both sides.
StevenEDavis
Posted May 8, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink
On the C-word thing. Some people just cannot responsibly use privileges like being able to post here.
So, the question becomes, what does one do about it? I already scroll past Max’s rants, so I don’t see where I will have to do anything differently.
With this new low, Max really can’t marginalize himself any more, it seems to me.
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Actually, PMom was one of the people that brought the matter up.
I dug up the scum bag (Marty Parrish) who falsely claimed he was a reporter, an ordained minister and the false accusation of what McCain said.
In fact, I knocked the dog squeeze out of the rumor with the mighty help of some very bright blogs out there.
I didn’t notice PMom being called the C word.
Was that before or after she called me a liar?
Political_mama
Posted May 7, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Did you ever think that he could be BOTH.
Max, you pos, don’t call Hillary a CNT.
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I believe this is where the fat hit the fan for Max. As you can see if you sound out POS it isn’t a complementary name.
Pmom gives as good as she gets. Both sides are guilty as charged. Pmom was proven wrong but refused to admit it – still saying that McCain was less than a man for calling his wife the C name.
It NEVER happened. The conversation should have died there.
“The coward JR aka Junior slinks away to gossip with his gal friends, Steven Davis and CraponAmerica.
“They are all joined at the pubis bone.”
Please note how James posts about me and insults me when I am not here. I take this to mean that I am inside his mind. And you what, that is kind of dark and scary place to be.
“The coward JR aka Junior slinks away to gossip with his gal friends, Steven Davis and CraponAmerica.
“They are all joined at the pubis bone.”
Please note how James posts about me and insults me when I am not here. I take this to mean that I am inside his mind. And you what, that is kind of a dark and scary place to be.
So, Pmom brings up the C-word story, so that means it is okay to call her that? Didn’t anyone teach you guys in grade school, that two wrongs do not make a right?
I can only conclude that your moral development is seriously arrested. Too bad for you guys… Life doesn’t have to be as difficult as you make it.
StevenEDavis
Posted May 8, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink
“The coward JR aka Junior slinks away to gossip with his gal friends, Steven Davis and CraponAmerica.
“They are all joined at the pubis bone.”
Please note how James posts about me and insults me when I am not here. I take this to mean that I am inside his mind. And you what, that is kind of a dark and scary place to be.
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Puh-leeze,
You are well known on this blog to take cheap shots and then slink away into the darkness.
Quit whining Steve, you do the same thing and have for a long time.
“WSClark should know about wives leaving him, he’s had multiple wives leave him because of his “short comings.””
Actually, stupid, I left my first wife and received custody of my kids. I left my second and received custody of my son.
As for my shortcomings? You can only tell that I have African American ancestry when I drop my pants.
So, McCluer – never married or your wife left you and took your kid? Too young for Viet Nam or did you serve in SE Asia? JM or not?
Liar.
Nowhere did I defend PMom. It was about calling her, a woman, the C word, end of story. I wasn’t arguing the McCain issue, but if he did it he’s classless. To mention what blogger said what to whom first would be pointless, pretty much everyone is guilty. I asked ALL bloggers whether you be right, left or indifferent to be civil. And look what happened, more piling on, who started it, who’s fault it really is, Mom he hit me first!
Civil discourse is a rare commodity indeed. Carry on!
WichiWomn
Posted May 8, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
Nowhere did I defend PMom. It was about calling her, a woman, the C word, end of story. I wasn’t arguing the McCain issue, but if he did it he’s classless. To mention what blogger said what to whom first would be pointless, pretty much everyone is guilty. I asked ALL bloggers whether you be right, left or indifferent to be civil. And look what happened, more piling on, who started it, who’s fault it really is, Mom he hit me first!
Civil discourse is a rare commodity indeed. Carry on!
WichiWomn
Posted May 8, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink
Why can’t posters of this blog stop with the personal insults and name calling?
I’m no prude and frequently pepper my language with salty words much to others chagrin. However Max, your post calling PMom the C word was uncalled for and rude. Most women find that word offensive. I think you owe PMom an apology. I sincerely hope other bloggers would say the same thing.
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Wichi there appears to be a problem with your posts. You did indeed single out Max and tell him he needed to apologize.
Guess in retrospect you kinda forgot that.
I agree with the civility part though.
Ks grm,
Perhaps I’m not stating this very well.
I did not defend anything Pmom said or did. I asked Max to apologize for calling a woman the C word. I think it’s offensive to women, not just Pmom, and I’d ask the same for any woman.
In my next post I stated that to point out who started slinging the mud and name calling would be pointless as most seem to do it. I felt that was inclusive of all posters.
I’m not sure where we are disconnecting, but my objection is about calling a woman the C word. I hope this makes it clearer.
“Puh-leeze,
“You are well known on this blog to take cheap shots and then slink away into the darkness.
“Quit whining Steve, you do the same thing and have for a long time.”
James, you are wrong. Go re-read what I have said and posted in the past. I have much more honor and dignity than you have ever had here, and you know it.
Lying, and I am not so sure you’re lying because I think it is very possible you believe your lies. Which wold not qualify for lying in my book, but instead, delusions.
Let us agree to disagree. I know who is dealing with reality, and who is not. Thank you. And, unless you are much crazier, than I think you are, you do too.
Night, night.
“Quit whining Steve, you do the same thing and have for a long time.”
In the very frightening, morally deficient world, of James McCluer, two wrongs always make a right.
Sad. Is the only thing I can say…
So,
Stop whining already.
StevenEDavis
Posted May 8, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink
James, you are wrong. Go re-read what I have said and posted in the past. I have much more honor and dignity than you have ever had here, and you know it.
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StevenEDavis
Posted May 9, 2008 at 12:16 am | Permalink
“Make up any other good stories lately, McLiar?
“Did ya’ leave your cherry in the jungles of Viet Nam?
“Or do you still have it?”
Clark, shame on you. James never fibs. He has never, in his entire life, told a lie. SURE….
Night all…
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There’s your dignity and honor. Posting in a thread where two people (Amway and Writer Dog) are hurting and what do you Libs do? You wreck it with your usual selfish crap.
Want some spices with your humble pie or should someone cram it down your throat?
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G’night