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May 6th, 2008.

Still have not been contacted by anyone yet Chas.

Don’t judge a book by the cover.

http://www.kansas.com/news/story/394969.html

I met Evelyn Cassat in 1999. My wife lived across the alley from Paul and Evelyn in Abilene for 7 years and had become friends with Evelyn. They lived like paupers in a large old home that was in serious need of repair. They gathered rainwater to wash their laundry in. They saved everything. They drove a 1960-something Ford Falcon station wagon.

Living through the depression did that to some folks I guess. You learned to utilize everything and waste nothing. Taught you to save every penny you could. And they did.

‘mornin’ Hank, You becoming the cosmos of the right on GW?

Ouch! More less-than-the-full-truth from the Clinton’s:

THE DISCLOSURE GAP:

2004 — Hillary Clinton reported on her Senate financial statement that her husband earned about $9.5 million in 2004, plus unspecified income from his writings, consulting and a partnership with private equity fund chief Ronald Burkle. The Clintons’ [most recent] tax return showed that he made $17.98 million that year, including as much as $4 million from the offshore partnership with Burkle, the billionaire founder of the Los Angeles-based Yucaipa Companies LLC.

2005 — Clinton reported on her Senate statement that her husband earned about $7.5 million in 2005, plus unspecified income from his writing and consulting. The Clintons’ tax returns showed that he earned $17.33 million that year, including more than $5 million from the Yucaipa partnership.

2006 — Clinton reported on her Senate financial statement that her husband earned about $10.1 million in 2006, plus more than $3,000 in unspecified writing and consulting income. The Clintons’ tax returns showed that the former president earned $16.42 million in 2006, including $400,000 from INFOUSA, an Omaha-based company that sells marketing information. He also received $2.6 million, some of it in “guaranteed payments,” from the Cayman Islands-based Yucaipa partnership, which invested in Xinhua Finance Media Ltd., China’s leading, government-controlled financial and entertainment media company.

Sources: Senate financial disclosure statements and Clinton tax returns

Chalk it up in the “Bosnian sniper fire and I did not have sex with that woman” catagory.

Good Morning Capn!

Actually, Capn, I’m convinced the earth is only about 8,000 years old.

That has nothing to do with the fact that AGW isn’t happening. The earth hasn’t warmed any since 1998.

Scientists are predicting a cooling off period for the next 20 years or so.

Evidence is in, the oceans have been cooling for the last several years.

When are the chicken littles going to admit that they are full of crap?

Dear Capn,

There is an abundance of science that supports a young earth belief. It pretty much depends on your world view.

I have an extensive science background. I would venture to say that I know more about oceanography, nuclear physics and maybe even electronics than any one else currently posting on this BLOG. I can prety much stay with most people when it comes to inorganic chemistry.

My faith has little to do with my ability to understand science, especially the bogus science that supports AGW.

Well Hank, when scientist find a human in the belly of a dinosaur fossil, I’ll agree with you.

Heckler, Posted May 6, 2008 at 6:45 am
“…they saved everything. They drove a 1960-something Ford Falcon station wagon….
Living through the depression did that to some folks I guess. You learned to utilize everything and waste nothing. Taught you to save every penny you could. And they did.”

What a great story Heckler.
I would not want to live that frugally myself, but that’s my choice, and I should have to live with the consequences of that choice. I wonder if the DemLib socialists can ever begin to understand why people that sacrifice ‘things’ in life ‘right now’ don’t want it stolen away by the Democrat socialist. Why those that save and build a net worth don’t want it squandered away by it’s redistribution to those that would waste it on items of immediate gratification, the very antithesis to what these people believed in and practiced in their daily lives.
These people weren’t ‘privileged’ as some would brand them derogatorily, no they worked and saved and sacrificed to build a net worth like that to great effect. It didn’t go to buy things that today would be filling up the landfill. And as a result it will benefit many, many people for many years.
Life is a continual series of choices some good some bad, and while compassion to help is good and necessary the confiscation and redistribution of others labors to those making bad choices is immoral and criminal.
These people’s financial assets benefited everyone while they held them, being invested, building companies that employee people and being loaned to those doing the same. Much better for society than those that would spend them on high dollar athletic shoes, alcohol, lottery tickets, or the latest electronic entertainment device, etc.
Yet those that make choices to spend for the ‘immediate now’, expect those that live a high work ethic and fugal life to ’share’ and give them what they think they are entitled to.
We all need to live with the choices we make. No criticism of those who decide differently, that’s their free choice, but they can’t expect to have their cake now and eat someone Else’s later.
That’s not fair.

StevenEDavis-

I am not a young eath proponent, nor do I disagree with teaching evolution in school. However, doing a quick google search reveals quite a few articles on problems with carbon 14 dating. Just glancing at a couple, there seems to be some valid questions.

We all need to live with the choices we make. No criticism of those who decide differently, that’s their free choice, but they can’t expect to have their cake now and eat someone Else’s later.

Actually they can.

My paternal grandfather was very frugal. Grew his own fruits and vegetables, sold some to raise money. Raised bees for honey and etc.

Then, when his wife, my grandmother developed Parkinson’s diseas and needed to be placed in the rest home, my grandfather got an education in social welfare. Back in the 1970s, he was paying over $2000/month in costs to the home. However,the woman in the neighboring room was receiving the same care for free from the government.

Evidently, she had given all of her money to her children and was living off the government.

My grandfather refused to do this as to him, it was dishonest. My grandfather refused to due this and the costs eventually ate up all of his life’s savings.

My grandfather wouldn’t have it any other way.

“…and maybe even electronics than any one else currently posting on this BLOG.”

Well, at least, you did say “maybe”.

“why the mainstream does not want to learn it”

This is a tip-off that one should beware that BS is coming next….
So only this great Dr Miskolczi knows the truth and the whole scientific world ignores his earth-shattering findings.. LOL.

Well maybe… let’s see the peer reviewed journal articles as time goes by and the scientific process does its work.

Bloggers are not part of that equation…

Carl Sagan once said he did not believe extraterrestrials have visited us – there is no evidence of it. But he’d LOVE to be proven wrong….

Steven,

I don’t understand why some people hold so ardently to Darwinian Evolutionary Theory either.

If we can get past the name calling, mocking, and general all around ridicule, we might be able to have a conversation about it.

I am EXTREMELY familiar with the tropopause Regular. And you are incorrect in your interpretation.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp

While the tropopause inhibits much verticle mixing of the atmosphere across it out-going IR should not be effected by its presence. However:

” Climate models predict that if greenhouse gases are to blame for heating at the surface, compensating cooling must occur in the upper atmosphere”

This is what is being observed.

Hank – how about K/Ar and U/Pb dating?

Or recorded human history for that matter. There is no way you cram all that into 8,000 years.

bluejay – maybe they just did things faster back then!

:)

Well Ben, evidently you know more than Dr. Hansen at NASA on the matter.

GISS’s Jim Hansen agrees with Ramaswamy on the need for data. “Climate forcing is uncertain because as a function of altitude is not well measured. Especially at the tropopause (where the troposphere meets the stratosphere), we don’t know enough. The climate system is highly sensitive, especially to changes in the tropopause region. We need exact temperatures and ozone profiles at different altitudes and around the globe.”

Uncertain means they do not know. Why is it that you know in absolute terms what the world’s leading climatologists do not know?

Does your weather channel Website utilize alien technology? Or does it use the gospel according to GORACLE and state facts that are uncertain as scientific certainities?

BlueJay, we learned to fly and even left the planet in 3/4 of 1% of that time. Oh and a little known fact, God has WinZip, he could fit it into 8,000 years.

Good morning Ben!

I’ll have to give you inorganic chemistry! I did however teach water chemistry in Nuclear Power School to Officers. (kinda like a post-graduate course)

Oceanography? I might have you there, but I’ll let you have it. I was on loan to Scripps in San Diego from Squadron 14 for a while. We were working on temperature gradients. About all I learned was that there is a hell of a lot to learn!

More on the age of the Universe:

How long ago did the “beginning” occur? Was it, as the Bible might imply, 5700-plus years, or was it the 15 billions of years that’s accepted by the scientific community?

The first thing we have to understand is the origin of the Biblical calendar. The Jewish year is figured by adding up the generations since Adam. Additionally, there are six days leading up to the creation to Adam. These six days are significant as well.

Now where do we make the zero point? On Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, upon blowing the shofar, the following sentence is said: “Hayom Harat Olam — today is the birthday of the world.”

This verse might imply that Rosh Hashana commemorates the creation of the universe. But it doesn’t. Rosh Hashana commemorate the creation of the Neshama, the soul of human life. We start counting our 5700-plus years from the creation of the soul of Adam.

We have a clock that begins with Adam, and the six days are separate from this clock. The Bible has two clocks.

That might seem like a modern rationalization, if it were not for the fact that Talmudic commentaries 1500 years ago, brings this information. In the Midrash (Vayikra Rabba 29:1), an expansion of the Talmud, all the Sages agree that Rosh Hashana commemorates the soul of Adam, and that the Six Days of Genesis are separate.

Why were the Six Days taken out of the calendar? Because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. “There was evening and morning” is an exotic, bizarre, unusual way of describing time.

Moses says you can see God’s fingerprint on the universe in one of two ways. Look at the phenomenon of the Six Days, and the development of life in the universe which is mind-boggling. Or if that doesn’t impress you, then just consider society from Adam forward — the phenomenon of human history. Either way, you will find the imprint of God.

What is a “day?”

Let’s jump back to the Six Days of Genesis. First of all, we now know that when the Biblical calendar says 5700-plus years, we must add to that “plus six days.”

Another example is Genesis 1:5, which says, “There is evening and morning, Day One.” That is the first time that a day is quantified: evening and morning. Nachmanides discusses the meaning of evening and morning. Does it mean sunset and sunrise? It would certainly seem to.

But Nachmanides points out a problem with that. The text says “there was evening and morning Day One… evening and morning a second day… evening and morning a third day.” Then on the fourth day, the sun is mentioned. Nachmanides says that any intelligent reader can see an obvious problem. How do we have a concept of evening and morning for the first three days if the sun is only mentioned on Day Four? There is a purpose for the sun appearing only on Day Four, so that as time goes by and people understand more about the universe, you can dig deeper into the text.

There is more … it is a fascinating read …

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HLP
Posted May 6, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

Good morning Ben!

I’ll have to give you inorganic chemistry! I did however teach water chemistry in Nuclear Power School to Officers. (kinda like a post-graduate course)

Oceanography? I might have you there, but I’ll let you have it. I was on loan to Scripps in San Diego from Squadron 14 for a while. We were working on temperature gradients. About all I learned was that there is a hell of a lot to learn!
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When I lived in Pacific Beach, just down the road from Scripps, I used to ride my bike after work to Scripps and spend a couple of hours there every day. After about a month, I had access to much of the place, and, you’re correct, there is a lot to learn. Awesome experience. That was late eighties.

Ben-

I went to the link. Very interesting. A bit much to absorb before lunch, but one I will have to look back upon whenI get the time.

Hank-

Scripps was that research place at the beginning of Point Loma, right? A long time ago, hard to remember for sure. I was once stationed there, aboard an AS

Good post Ben.

See that’s what makes you a Scientist. You think about the ‘hard stuff’ all the time. :)

Ben,

I suppose if you are going to assign numbers to what the Bible says is a day, to match Evolutionary Theory, then of course they are going to add up.

It doesn’t send chills up my spine at all.

bth — I think I would like to read more of those writings of the Torah and Talmud scholars. They actually make good sense out of that biblical stuff.

SP – go to the link. It is fascinating. He makes a very clear distinction between the two calanders in Genesis.

“The idea of having to dig deeper is not a rationalization. The Talmud (Chagiga, ch. 2) tells us that from the opening sentence of the Bible, through the beginning of Chapter Two, the entire text is given in parable form, a poem with a text and a subtext. Now, again, put yourself into the mindset of 1500 years ago, the time of the Talmud. Why would the Talmud think it was parable? You think that 1500 years ago they thought that God couldn’t make it all in 6 days? It was a problem for them? We have a problem today with cosmology and scientific data. But 1500 years ago, what’s the problem with 6 days for an infinitely powerful God? No problem.

So when the Sages excluded these six days from the calendar, and said that the entire text is parable, it wasn’t because they were trying to apologize away what they’d seen in the local museum. There was no local museum. The fact is that a close reading of the text makes it clear that there’s information hidden and folded into layers below the surface.”

Keep in mind that the author is a believer in the Torah having been raised a Jew. And, the Torah is our Old Testament.

He teaches at Aish HaTorah College of Jewish Studies.

Hardly a Godless Atheist!

My grandfather refused to do this as to him, it was dishonest. My grandfather refused to due this and the costs eventually ate up all of his life’s savings.

*****

What did your grandfather think he was paying taxes for?

He preferred to give his savings to the owner of the home who plunked it into a brand new motor yacht that sleeps six.

Meanwhile, his wife was left to clip coupons.

Brilliant.

Very interesting stuff, Ben.

The literalist reading of Genesis–itself a wild interpretation which the fundamentalists claim hypocritically that they “don’t do”–makes no sense.

How can there be a first “day” when God, according to the Genesis story, has not even created the sun? A literal reading is ridiculous on its face–but that’s what fundamentalists do: they squeeze God down to something small enough that their puny brains can encompass the concept.

Very sad.

Capn

“Meanwhile, his wife was left to clip coupons.

Brilliant.”

His wife was in the home, with Parkinsons, why would she be clipping coupons?

Brilliant.

in the home, with Parkinsons, why would she be clipping coupons?

shoulda been mixing paint instead
*ducks*

“It’s a coping mechanism.”

It may well be Heckler, but I’m still confused whether to feel pity or contempt for that kind of attitude. And it’s difficult to feel both.

Agreed Hank. My idea is limited to using only those warheads laready decomissioned – at least for now. Especially since we purchased Ukraine’s supply.

CapnAmerica,

You continue to demonstrate that you can’t do much more than insult those you disagree with rather than engage them in discussion.

As far as your trains go…

Suppose those trains didn’t start together and they had actually started from different spots that far apart.

You ASSUME that they have been traveling apart from each other from the same starting location.

Like I said hank – we could have some fun developing our own ‘left-right’ nuclear scenario. I guess I start with warheads at least in part because I want to get them off the market. Not talking about US warheads so much as Russian, Kazakh, etc.

Shale has some real issues. I remember working in that area a quarter-century ago along with SRC for coal.

“How long are you liberal greenies going to try and ride your bicycles with your heads ou your ass?”

What a buttload load of wingnut propaganda crap.

http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/anwr-oil-drilling/645

snip

Here’s my problem with drilling in the Arctic: Are the potential oil reserves in ANWR worth the decade-long development efforts?

Let’s assume for a minute that the legislation passes and the environmental protesters (I can only imagine the protests over this legislation) are appeased. I know it’s hard to do, but for now we’ll just pretend.

We won’t see a drop of production for nearly a decade, if not longer. There would have to be a massive amount of investment dollars to tap the Arctic. According to the USGS, a 1.9 million acre area of ANWR may hold up to 16 billion barrels of oil. The amount of oil may be staggering, but it will take years to set up the infrastructure to produce and transport Arctic oil to the U.S. Also, do you really think an extra million barrels per day in 2025 will be enough?

Hank – a technical question: Remember Three Mile Island? There was a ‘hydrogen bubble’ in the cooling system and they were afraid it would blow. (I assume mixed with oxygen) Did that come from dissociation of water? What would have caused that?

My reason for asking: If we can do that and control it might we be able to use nuclear as a source of H2 without going through electricity?

Another way that would really be a strain on materials – get to a high enough temperature that the entropy outweighs the enthalpy and the slit is spontaneous.

Hey littlejohn!

A few lifetimes ago, 1964 or ‘65 I was aboard my first submarine, the Redfish SS-395. Tied up at Point Loma alongside AS-17 the Nereus when we weren’t punching holes in the ocean!

I worked with Scripps off the Tongue-of-the-Ocean near Eleuthera. Good days! Cheap rum, great fishing, girls. . .

First off, since ReguLiar wrote it, it’s veracity is highly questionable.

Second, it is also highly unlikely that both husband and wife would come down with a non-communicable and somewhat rare disease like Parkinson’s at the same time.

Third, it’s really dumb to burn through your own savings when the gov’t of the richest country in the world can and should pick up the tab. It’s stupid enough that none of the CONs who are praising this man would actually do it themselves.

Fourth, it’s the height of hypocrisy to support what this man did, throwing away his life savings, while at the same time supporting the pigs at the trough of government: George W. Bush who made 14 million dollars stealing tax payer land under eminent domain and reselling it, Dick Cheney who made 36 million dollars as CEO of Halliburton for arranging billion dollar contracts of your hard-earned money, Jack Abramoff, H. W. Bush, Scanlon, Ken Lay et al.

They all made their massive fortunes by mining the easy-money lode: the government treasury.

The Three Mile Island accident was caused by a primary steam relief that lifted prematurely and didn’t seat. On comercial reactors it’s against the NRC to be able to isolate the primary reliefs.

The ‘hydrogen bubble’ was a result of hydrogen in the primary coolant coming out of solution when the primary system was depressurinzed because of the faulty relief.

Hydrogen is used in the primary coolant to help maintain a high pH for corrosion control. You only get out what you pump in!

Hehehe, LOL, J R!

No $h!t.

My grandfather never had Crapn. You need to improve your reading comprehension skills.

I’m truly sorry you never been around principled people like my grandfather. His father was like that and his father before him. My own father was like that.

Life must have been and still is truly empty for you Crapn to be absent of principles and ethics.

“First off, since ReguLiar wrote it, it’s veracity is highly questionable.”

I have the same thought when ever I read one of McCluer’s posts……. is this the truth or another one of Mississippi Jim’s lies?

Viet Nam.

JM.

Goin’ to Mississippi.

Married? Never been married?

The list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Boxlock
Posted May 6, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink
Heckler, Posted May 6, 2008 at 6:45 am
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Great post Box!

“Nature’s regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.”

Not according to observations, and science.

‘Increase In Atmospheric Moisture Tied To Human Activities’
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070918090803.htm
“Observations and climate model results confirm that human-induced warming of the planet is having a pronounced effect on the atmosphere’s total moisture content.

“When you heat the planet, you increase the ability of the atmosphere to hold moisture,” said Benjamin Santer, lead author from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory’s Program for Climate Modeling and Intercomparison. “The atmosphere’s water vapor content has increased by about 0.41 kilograms per square meter (kg/m²) per decade since 1988, and natural variability in climate just can’t explain this moisture change. The most plausible explanation is that it’s due to the human-caused increase in greenhouse gases.”

Monsanto’s Harvest of Fear
Monsanto already dominates America’s food chain with its genetically modified seeds. Now it has targeted milk production. Just as frightening as the corporation’s tactics—ruthless legal battles against small farmers—is its decades-long history of toxic contamination.

http://www.democracynow.org/

richest country in the world can and should pick up the tab.

How the fu(k do you look yourself in the mirror? You socialist handout monnkey. You want money? EARN it. You do know how to do that right? Otherwise MOVE to a socialist country.

Gimmie gimmie gimme bot.

Report: Suicide May Be More Deadly Than Combat for Troops

The US government’s top psychiatric researcher estimates the number of suicides among veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may exceed the combat death toll of the wars because of inadequate mental healthcare. Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, said community mental health centers have failed in providing adequate care to veterans. A recent study by the RAND Corporation determined that 20 percent of returning US soldiers have post-traumatic stress disorder or depression, and only half of them receive treatment. The House Veterans Affairs Committee is holding a hearing this morning on the issue of veteran suicides. Steve Rathbun from the University of Georgia will be testifying. According to his research, as many as 120 veterans are committing suicide every week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/6/headlines#1

North Carolina Man Released After 14 Years on Death Row

THAT is the reason we need an indefinite moratorium on the Death Penalty in the USA.

Report: Bush Authorizes Covert Offensive Against Iran

The website CounterPunch is reporting President Bush has signed a secret finding authorizing a covert offensive against the Iranian regime. Bush’s secret directive covers actions from Lebanon to Afghanistan. Journalist Andrew Cockburn reports the directive is “unprecedented in its scope” and permits the assassination of targeted officials.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/5/headlines

Sollie–

If I could make a living doing what I do in a “socialist country” like England, France or Germany, I’d move there in a heartbeat.

As it is, I like being around my family.

But the simple fact is that ReguLiar’s “grandfather” shouldn’t be faced with long-term health care for his wife or abject poverty in the richest country on earth.

If you CONs had a tenth of the compassion that you have for Paris Hilton and her untaxed wealth, a tenth of the compassion you have for Cheney to make millions giving away your money to rich contractors, that honorable gentleman wouldn’t have had to make such a choice.

Sol – I think if that were directed against US officials we would call it terrorism.

It’s okay, Max.

Years from now, when you can’t pay for the taxi that the nursing home calls to get you the hell out of your room that you can no longer pay for and you are thrown to the gutter with your head resting on cold cement, I’ll come along and remind you that you voted for this kind of treatment.

But, thank God!, Halliburton is doing so well!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JD22Dj01.html
Rice, death and the dollar
By Spengler

The global food crisis is a monetary phenomenon, an unintended consequence of America’s attempt to inflate its way out of a market failure. There are long-term reasons for food prices to rise, but the unprecedented spike in grain prices during the past year stems from the weakness of the American dollar. Washington’s economic misery now threatens to become a geopolitical catastrophe.

Months ago, I offered that China, Russia and other cash-rich nations held the antidote to the incipient credit crisis: “If the US wants to remain the magnet for world capital flows it became during the 1990s, it will have to allow the savers of the world to become partners in the US economy, that is, to buy into its first-rank companies.”

No such thing occurred, of course, as Washington has made it clear that it would not allow sovereign funds to own the likes of Citicorp. What are the world’s investors doing with the trillion dollars a year they used to invest in American securities, including subprime derivatives and various forms of collateralized obligations that turned out to have more obligation than collateral? They aren’t buying American companies because they are not permitted to. They are buying food and other stores of value instead.

that honorable gentleman

Honorable. Yup. Someone that does not outstretch their hand for gimmie gimmie gimmie freebies.

Honorable, something you may never know capn.

Just keep beating up on the evil corporations – Clinton/Obama need an enemy to blame, since they have nothing to offer, nothing cept a free handout to those who are stupid enough to vote for them! And tax increases for working Americans.

Vote for me, I’ll destroy those big, mean, eeeevil corporations! I’ll make THEM pay!

And I’ll create jobs in America!

Huh?

Covert ops? Yup. Sounds like the bad old days and the CIA.

And if Iran held covert ops in the US?

I bet grampy ate dirt.

And he was happy to eat that dirt!

There aint anything honorable about being stupid.

Sol – covert action against a sovereign state.

“So Ben, you don’t have a problem with Iranian covert operators and Iranian weapons/bombs being used to kill U.S. Military?”

Well, if our military is carrying out attacke in Iran against them I cannot really fault them for acting in self-defense.

covert action against a sovereign state.

I’ve heard that deffinition somewhere before…

CapnAmerica
Posted May 6, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

Sollie–

If I could make a living doing what I do in a “socialist country” like England, France or Germany, I’d move there in a heartbeat.

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CapnFrance: Didn’t you once claim to be a patriotic American?

Dear Repukes,

Way to go, using the Indiana voter ID law to disenfranchise nuns!

“About 12 Indiana nuns were turned away Tuesday from a polling place by a fellow bride of Christ because they didn’t have state or federal identification bearing a photograph.

Sister Julie McGuire said she was forced to turn away her fellow sisters at Saint Mary’s Convent in South Bend, across the street from the University of Notre Dame, because they had been told earlier that they would need such an ID to vote.

The nuns, all in their 80s or 90s, didn’t get one but came to the precinct anyway.

“One came down this morning, and she was 98, and she said, ‘I don’t want to go do that,’” Sister McGuire said. Some showed up with outdated passports. None of them drives.

They weren’t given provisional ballots because it would be impossible to get them to a motor vehicle branch and back in the 10-day time frame allotted by the law, Sister McGuire said. “You have to remember that some of these ladies don’t walk well. They’re in wheelchairs or on walkers or electric carts.”

Nonetheless, she said, the convent will make a “very concerted effort” to get proper identification for the nuns in time for the general election. “We’re going to take from now until November to get them out and get this done. You can’t do this like school kids on a bus,” she said. “I wish we could.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/05/indiana_nuns_lacking_id_denied.php

I can’t wait to hear y’all call a bunch of 90+ year-old nuns “lazy.”

Speaking of Hillary, the American Muslims don’t like her very much:

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/democracy_presidential_election_and_the_lobby/0016149

Senator Clinton is very popular with the Lobby since her days as the First Lady. It prefers her over any Democratic contender for the White House. Her husband had pardoned Marc Rich, a fugitive, of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. It is worth noting that Denise Rich, Marc’s former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton’s senate campaign, and that Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.

Since becoming a senator in New York, Mrs. Clinton has solidified her position with the Lobby by joining the ‘Amen Corner’ inside the Capitol Hill which is a cabal for “Israel-firsters”, i.e., Israel comes first, even ahead of American interest. She had demanded that the U.S. embassy be shifted from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. She had described Israel as the “beacon” of what democracy can and should mean. She is an unapologetic supporter of the inhuman and utterly criminal Israeli Wall that cuts off tens of thousands of Palestinians from their livelihood, land and family members. She has also said that the “security and freedom” of Israel must remain at the “core of any American approach to the Middle East.”

In 2005, addressing the AIPAC, she said, “A nuclear-armed Iran is unacceptable, but it is not just unacceptable to Israel and the United States. It must be unacceptable to the entire world, starting with the European governments and people.”

CF2K – that could be fixed by providing non-DL ID cards.

LittleJohn–

You are an ass. A dumb ass.

That is all.

Carry on.

CapnAmerica-

Thank you very much. You prove my point. And the point of others.

Carry on

If, in our role as world policeman enforcing Pax Americana, we can decree that a country not be allowed to have the ability to defend itself; are we then required to defend that country?

Whine Whine Whine. Oh mercy me. Poor me. I have been called an ass by the great and terrible CapnAmerica.

pffft. Big fn deal

Whether or not the law was needed, it was the LAW. For their state. THEIR STATE, not yours. The nuns needed to comply. Period.

“No end of inconvenience”

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Bullshit and you know it

I can’t fault capn for dreaming about other countries. My 3-day pass to Amsterdam still gives me nice memories. Too bad the old man had to give me a piss test when I got back. But, again, I stray. Let me ask this. When my dad got a job with the ARAMCO in Riyadh, did he somehow prefer their government to ours? In his words HE%% NO. He did like the tax code of Saudi Arabia. So can we throw out the red hearing outlander?

Yes Capn, just like my dad preferred Saudi Arabia’s tax codes that are different than ours. You see you have to speak their language chief. THEN they will understand you.

Warren Buffett, a.k.a. “sugar daddy to the abortion industry”, is the largest financial contributor to abortionist quacks and abortion mills in the world. Pro-lifers demonstrated against him at the annual stockholders’ meeting of his investment company, Berkshire Hathaway, on Saturday. One surprised Catholic said he would sell his blood-stained stock on Monday.
In addition to funding abortions and the dangerous RU-486 human pesticide, Buffett also provided $2 million to Family Health International for the distribution of quinacrine hydrochloride, a chemical that sterilizes a woman by burning her fallopian tubes. Quinacrine is illegal in the U.S., but is used, often coercively, in Vietnam, India, and other nations. In the late 1990s, Buffett committed to a $20 million grant to International Projects Assistance Services (IPAS), which manufactures and distributes manual vacuum aspirators, used for performing abortions in the Third World to limit the size of undesirable Third World races. Then in 2006, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, two of the world’s richest baby-haters, joined forces to create a huge organization to promote and enforce abortion, birth control, and sterilization, particularly targeting those undesirable Third World races.
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Wesley Falker, 52, of St. Louis, MO, while dumping his lawn clippings Monday, found a newborn boy left in a garbage bin, covered with brush so that no one would be likely to find him alive. The boy was found to be in good condition after treatment at St. Louis Children’s Hospital. Police are seeking the mother.
They should be looking for someone with no heart.
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A mother, age 16, turned her hours-old newborn over to Chicago, IL fire station personnel Monday in a legalized abandonment. The baby, listed in good condition, is being monitored by medical personnel and will soon be available for adoption.
All states now have some type of safe abandonment law. Since the Illinois Abandoned Newborn Infant Protection Act was enacted in 2001, 43 babies have been safely abandoned at Illinois safe havens, and 49 were illegally abandoned, 24 of those dying, many alone and untouched.
Safe abandonment laws do not stop all the deaths of babies who are illegally abandoned, although many say with more advertising and promotion of safe haven locations, the number of dead abandoned babies could be reduced. Some babies have been found dead of exposure only a few blocks from safe havens.

Safe havens – I wonder about the possibility of training clerks at places like QuikTrip to do some of that. Many people might be afraid to try to find a fire station etc but can easily find a QT. A quick 911 call from there and the baby can have help quickly.

lj,
Are you familiar with Les Miserables ?

The sucker stole a loaf of bread. He broke the law. Deal with it.

Ignoring the practical realities, courts are not supposed to deal with the wisdom or folly of a law. Other issues aside, they certainly didn’t with this one.

South Bend Indiana Nuns eh CF2K?

I dare say that South Bend, Indiana and Notre Dame has more wheel chair able vans to carry the nun than the City of Wichita does.

What’s that?

That’s the sound of silence when the Lib violin pity party music stops playing.

bth
Posted May 6, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
Not senile regular. Question: if some other country sent their operatives into OUR country shouldn’t we try to defend ourselves? So, you are saying other countries should be prohibited from doing the same?

Iraq – that is a toughie. I don’t know that it has been proven that Iranians are doing it. Seems it is Iraqis resisting the occupation.
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Except for the stash of weapons and explosives found with recent manufacture dates that were made in Iran.

Right Ben?

This has been widely reported in the news.

“Ignoring the practical realities, courts are not supposed to deal with the wisdom or folly of a law. Other issues aside, they certainly didn’t with this one.
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I am not tracking here. What is the point you are making? I agree with the above statement.

Nathan – the irrational “invade the world” apologist. Along with regular.

I am not tracking here. What is the point you are making? I agree with the above statement.

The law is folly, even if it was found to to be constitutional. Its only conceivable real purpose is to lower voter turnout.

When a 98-year-old woman says “I don’t want to do that,” I would consider the reasons why. If it’s civil disobedience, fine–that comes with a price.

I would find it hard to believe you really think those are the reasons.

Regular. Here is a very simple concept that has been lost for the last 6 years. I will put it into football terms. Catch the ball first, then run. Since we didn’t finish Afghanistan, then went into Iraq, I suppose that one can’t be helped. But since the surge is working so brilliantly and the contingency of Iran was planned so flawlessly, Perhaps we can finish in Iraq first. Unless you won’t be happy until our soldiers are fighting on 3 different theaters of operation. For some reason, I think that since Israel has the 17th largest military and Iran just lost it’s number 25 spot to Argentina, Israel should be able to defend themselves while we finish “catching the ball”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Economy/DefenseSpending.html

Yeah, right Square Peg, uh huh.

Last week, the US military announced that major caches of Iranian arms has been found in Basra and Baghdad during raids on Shia militiamen from Mahdi Army of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

Iraqi National Security Advisor Muwaffaq al-Rubay’I told The Times of London that Iranian-made weapons manufactured in 2008 had been found during a crackdown on Shia militias in Basra.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2008/May/focusoniraq_May28.xml&section=focusoniraq

Bottom line here: What do you war mongers mean when you repeatedly, ad nauseum, say we have to Win the War? What does Winning mean? And when you figure that out, please tell President Dumbkopf, cause he has no clue!

“Last week, the US military announced … ”

Aren’t these the same people who announced that they knew where the WMDs were?

Nice try LLVET, but that was a weak analogy.

The problems in the world are not solved by “bumper sticker” Liberal slogans nor flat-chested analogies.

Regular, your tactic is so old, it was watching dirt being made. Why would Ben admit to saying something you dreamed up as false, when he didnt say anything of the sort? Seems that your debate tactics are not only faulty, but outdated!

lj, rage – while I probably agree that the ID law is a ’solution looking for a problem’ why not simply work to fix it? Make sure IDs can be obtained even for non-drivers. Then the issue becomes moot.

Hey LLVET, I was against invading Iraq, but the foot is more than inside the door now.

If it were me, I would institute a pull out over two years with some mobile forces left in Iraq for advisors.

Then I would hit Afghanistan and the Pakistan borders like a ton of bricks per square inch.

Just saying…

cause you asked.

Ben-

Indiana provides for just such a thing, and at no cost for low income individuals.

Sorry, sorry your statement just as I was closing the window.

Night all.
Damn, now I sound like Chas

g’night lj – then I would simply add that the Parties can help their voters obtain same and there is no issue.

Funny thing is – when I vote I hand them my DL now – that way I don’t have to deal with spelling my name and all that. So much easier.

bth
Posted May 6, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink
Again regular – you are full of sh*t and your LIES are blatantly obvious. Only a real America-hater like you would come up with this steady stream of BS.
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No Ben, you’re Lib mantra has caught up with you and skewed reasonable thought.

When you care more about preserving your Liberal spew than the lives of American Soldiers, then someone has to put their foot down and say enough.

A caring person would have said something like, “I haven’t seen the proof, but if there is proof, then the U.S. is justified in going after the Iraninas for providing weapons and methods used in killing U.S. soldiers.”

Not only did you not say that, you went on with spew about WMD. I was just waiting for you to tack on your usual “mission accomplished” spew, to set your Liberal ideological nail in stone.

Liberal slogans like that which Colin Powell said “the next president must remove some troops from Iraq” Sounds “LIBERAL” to me. Our army is strained. But you want to put your head in the sand and call it “Liberal” slogans. I have no more time for people like you who screw the soldiers. It’s your thread now, spin it as you like.

SquarePeg
Posted May 6, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Regular, since when have you ever cared about being a caring person?
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Come here and I’ll give you a hug that will leave you breathless.

LLTVET
Posted May 6, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Liberal slogans like that which Colin Powell said “the next president must remove some troops from Iraq” Sounds “LIBERAL” to me. Our army is strained. But you want to put your head in the sand and call it “Liberal” slogans. I have no more time for people like you who screw the soldiers. It’s your thread now, spin it as you like.
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See ya,

Come back when you have more time to spew, before you have to run away again.

So unrepetant eh Ben? Maybe you visit your Priest more often. You got a buttload of confessions to make. :D

Should hurt mccain, he won’t get his peers, the rest home crowd to vote for him!

Troy sez:
“Carbon 14 dating cannot be applied prior to Noah’s Flood, some 4300 years ago, because prior to the Deluge a water canopy over the Earth blocked cosmic rays. No rain ever, either, til Noah finished the Ark.”

Are you aware how much air pressure would be needed to keep that much volume of water in the air? Can you say pressure cooker? Life wouldn’t exist on the planet in your fictional dream world.

M P — God suspended those laws of physics just like he did with the speed of light to get an 8,000 year old earth! ROFL

“haven’t you seen the Harry Potter movies? All you need is a good magic wand!”

The sad thing is fundies actually believe Harry Potter belongs in the non-fiction section. A teacher in Florida amused his students with simple magic tricks and he got fired because a student said he was conducting sorcery in class.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=79533

Gee thanks, ummm “Hank”

I know what you were going for there Chas, Das, Sugar, Squarepeg.

You were going for the old anti-creationist argument about stopping or altering the speed of light.

Science has been there, done that.

As stated before, God can do better. :)

And Hank is probably busy feeding his livestock right about now, so I stepped in.

Political_mama
Posted May 6, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink
And people just refuse to believe that I lost my career over a teacher who lied.
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What was the lie?

If it was a career ender, then you should have obtained an ACLU attorney and proved the teacher wrong or sued the teacher and school.

Yada yada yada God coulda woulda shoulda. But God didnt! The speed of light has remained the same. When you go out in your yrd at night, and look up at all of those Zillions of stars; the light from many of them has taken millions of light years to get here. Sorta shoots all kinds of holes in that 8,000 year superstition.

Wait – Wait – I got it. Every night at sundown, God gets out the great spatter gun of the universe, and a bottle of white-out from Office Max, and puts the stars up each night. That explains what it is God does with his non-time.

/sarcasm off

Of course, one has to first believe in such an omnipresent being. I am not one of those who live my life based on silly superstitions.

“Wait – Wait – I got it. Every night at sundown, God gets out the great spatter gun of the universe, and a bottle of white-out from Office Max, and puts the stars up each night. That explains what it is God does with his non-time.”

No, the Bible clearly states that the sun is put into a tent at night, that’s how it gets dark. The Bible also says the stars are merely small holes in the copper dome that covers the flat Earth.

Yes, for all you bible believers it is actually mentioned in the bible. No doubt you won’t believe me because you haven’t read the bible, but if you had then you wouldn’t believe in it.

Oh OK — So its the old boy scout thing huh?

Nope nope God is omnipresent, not the stars.

Let’s take Black holes for example and the effect on the speed of light.

There is a thresh hold called the “event horizon” in a black hole where nothing escapes, not even light.

At this point, time would have no relevance, because a condition of light is a relative to an energy constant and must be measured relative to a measured distance or in theory some sort of vector.

Because light cannot escape, no any other matter or energy, our concept of what time goes fubar.

There are no known measurements or standards to equate in an event horizon.

Stephen Hawkings, et al papers and thoughts on Event Horizons and co-existing matter-anti-matter particles is quite interesting.

Meaning that conditions for a sort of an omni-presence can be demonstrated through theoretical science.

“Magnetism doesnt work on those chariots too good, eh, M P? LOL”

C’mon SP, you know magnetism is just a theory like those other false, godless theories of gravity, evolution, and flight.

“That must be some kind of tent!”

It’s all true. God pitches one serious tent and will suck the light out of your universe. That’s it, God is just one bad pickup line.

Would that be “Brief History of the Universe” or something like that? I don’t need an Atheist like Hawkings telling me a bunch of god hating science, I have my God Sucks theory of the universe.

Then if the stars are not omnipresent, that means they are objects in space. If their light is trapped in a black hole, then that light would not be seen when you go out in your yard and look at the stars, now would it?

Thus your point about an omnipresent God/deity/etc., is moot. That light has still taken millions of light years to reach earth.

Believe what you want about the god thing. The light speed still doesnt change, since the stars are not omnipresent (Duh!)

After reading through the threads today, I would have to say that Mississippi Jim seems to have some issues with anger and socialization.

Maybe he needs to visit the “doc” again and increase the dosage on his meds.

Unfortunately, havent seen much of Vaughn, since the registration thing started. :-(

Awww poor Rush — His Operation Chaos doesnt seem to be working in either Indiana or North Carolina — Maybe he better check out his interest on his loan from Gawwwddd! :roll:

And I did play nice Box, more than you will ever know. Right up until I realized I was going to be kicked out…and then I fought back, but even then I wasn’t rude or disrespectful about it.

I do agree that there needs to be equalization in the programs. Without a doubt.

Thanks Square. Sometimes I still wish, but then I have to look at reality and just try to let that dream die.

Maggotpunk,
The antediluvian barometric pressure at sea level was about double what it is today, and the oxygen content was much higher. This had a lot of significant effects on people and animal life.

PHELPS FAIL TO POST BOND
Two members of the Westboro Baptist Church have failed to post bonds needed to stay the collection of a $5 million jury award pending appeal.
When one party to a lawsuit wins and gets a money judgment against the other party, the only way to stay immediate collection proceedings against the losing party is by posting a bond. The purpose is to prevent the losing party from disposing of assets or putting them out of reach of the judgment. U.S. District Judge Richard D. Bennett granted motions on April 3, by Shirley L. Phelps-Roper and Rebekah A.
Phelps-Davis, to delay payment of the verdict for protesting a U.S.
Marine’s funeral. The postponement was contingent upon their posting $125,000 and $100,000 bonds, respectively.
Judge Bennett also imposed a lien on the properties of the church and its founder, Fred W. Phelps Sr. The sisters had argued for lesser bond amounts; Phelps-Roper said she wouldn’t be able to offer such collateral to the court. As of 5 p.m. Monday, the deadline imposed by Bennett, the women hadn’t posted the bonds, according to court records. Sean E. Summers is an attorney for plaintiff Albert Snyder, the plaintiff. He said the sisters’ appeal of Bennett’s ruling on their motion to stay made it improbable they would put up the cash Monday. “It would be counterintuitive to do that if they were going to post the money,” Summers said. “It’s hard to cry poor to the 4th Circuit if they’ve already paid the money.” Phelps-Roper confirmed her refusal to obey Bennett’s order granting a stay and discounted that part of the proceedings. “All this collection stuff, it’s a lot of fluffy talk,” she said. “If I don’t have no $5 million, you can’t take no $5 million.”
In November, a jury found that the Topeka, Kan.-based church intentionally inflicted emotional distress upon Snyder, of York, Pa.
Snyder’s son, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder, 20, was killed in Iraq in March 2006. Summers said he will file a motion with Bennett to execute on the sisters’ property — houses and small bank accounts, according to their submissions to the court. But until Bennett rules on that motion and the Richmond appellate court rules on the appeal of Bennett’s original ruling on the motion to stay, that property will remain safe. “It’s not going to happen immediately,” Summers said. “The wheels of justice turn, but they turn slowly.”

Don’t you know Doug, that no scientific evidence matters because God can create or disguise anything!

Anything you can prove scientifically, they can refute with faith.

And no matter what is said, they claim God is omnipotent!! LOL

Political_mama
Posted May 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
“And I did play nice Box, more than you will ever know. Right up until I realized I was going to be kicked out…and then I fought back, but even then I wasn’t rude or disrespectful about it.”

P_Mama,
I’m sorry, I haven’t kept up with this blog and your situation. It doesn’t sound like something pleasant or that I’d handle well at all.
If you explained earlier with happened I missed it. So if it wouldn’t upset you I would be interested, otherwise….sorry it didn’t work out like you wanted it to.

Mercy — Wonder who was that Boxlock who earlier had quite much to say about PMama’s situation??

“Unfortunately, havent seen much of Vaughn, since the registration thing started.”

Heard from Vaughn recently by email – work has been really busy – which is a good thing. He will be travelling alot also – his youngest daughter is graduating from an execellent college in Maine.

I think those reasons explain his recent absence.

Chas,

I am not telling anyone what their beliefs must be. I do tell people what they must believe to be saved.

Again, this is why you are no Christian.

NATHAN… PULL YOUR FRIGGIN HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT!!

YOU have the right to believe what YOU must believe to be SAVED!!! Millions of other Christians dont believe what YOU believe… That is what makes you arrogant, and intolerant!!

Because I dont share your beliefs, therefore, you take it upon yourself, to state, factually, and with great arrogance, that since we disagree, YOU have the right to call me non Christian!!

God DAMNS blasphemers, Nathan… And YOU are the height of the blasphemers on this Blog! YOU dont have the right to declare who is and who is not SAVED!! That right belongs to GOD alone… And since you have claimed that right for your own, YOU NATHAN, are a DAMNED BLASPHEMER!!

So just STUFF IT, you idiot freak!!

“Regular
Posted May 6, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
bth
Posted May 6, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
“Last week, the US military announced … ”

“Aren’t these the same people who announced that they knew where the WMDs were?
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“Just say it Ben and be done with it.

“You don’t give a shit if U.S. Military die to Iranian made and supplied weapons.

“Show your true hatred.

“Say it.

“Admit your hate.”

It is incredibly sad that Reg can’t do any better than the absolutely stupid arguments profferd by Rove and Bush. He wants to let on like he is smart.

Perhaps, he is not…

Perhaps he is a brain dead solider that we should all mourn for?

I will chose this latter…

It is very sad. We have let down people like Reg, who has done a good job (as far as I know) and we should do better. Mr. McCluer is an example of that point.

But Clark, he said RIGHT before your quote above >>>>

“I am not telling anyone what their beliefs must be.” [Nathaniel]

Isnt that amazing… not telling, but yet telling… Just how does that work?? Hmmmm

Regular — You have ascribed something to Mr. Davis, which he has not claimed for himself. That would make you, sir, a flaming Liar! SSDD

That would make that god not all powerful LOL

“Not all of Noah’s flood came from the collapse of the water canopy over the Earth, the windows of heaven. Some came from subterranean sources, from the fountains of the deep.”

And where would those magical fountains be?

It’s cute that you quote something that references the windows that god had in the copper dome that covered the flat earth. So not only do you believe in the fictional flood but you believe the Earth is flat and covered by a polished copper dome. You know what disproves that? Astronauts.

But let’s get back to your flood myth. If, as you say, water came from the ocean then the salinity would pollute all freshwater. Therefore, freshwater fish would die off. So why are they still around? Did they evolve really quickly?

The “fountains of the deep” reference originally comes from Greek mythology where Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze age. No surprise the myth was copied and edited by the Hebrews.

Now I doubt you are actually going to present evidence for these “fountains of the great deep” because you are a fundy and you don’t like science. There would have to be evidence in geological science that reports such a massive historical event. Problem is, there isn’t any, so yours is a baseless claim. Besides, the mere existence of freshwater fish (and the fact the Earth isn’t flat and covered by a dome) disproves your myth.

“and the fact the Earth isn’t flat and covered by a dome)”

IT’S NOT????? Next thing you know you will be telling me the sundoesn’t revolve around the earth!