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ECONOMY, STUPID: HIGH ENERGY PRICES SOCK U.S. CLIMATE BILL
It’s shaping up to be a Dickensian summer on the Hill. What seemed just a few months ago like the best of times to pass ambitious climate-change legislation has suddenly turned into the worst of times. Nobel-prize momentum has given way to hand-wringing over the economy.
That makes the difficult balancing act of crafting politically palatable but still effective climate laws even tougher. The big worry now? By trying to sugarcoat the Lieberman-Warner bill enough to garner a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate, proponents of climate-legislation run the risk of making the new law a paper tiger. That could mean plenty of costs with few environmental benefits-and ensures nobody’s happy. Conservatives fret over the former; environmentalists are livid over the latter.
What’s the problem now? Joe Romm at Climate Progress points up some new analysis of the revised Lieberman-Warner bill, fresh off a massive amendment from California senator Barbara Boxer. Provisions included to allay concerns over the bill’s future cost, some analysts say, could undo much of the bill’s plans to cut emissions of greenhouse gases.
The problem is two-fold. The revised bill would let U.S. companies meet part (15%) of their obligation by using “offsets”-that is, they could “cut” emissions by preserving forests somewhere or helping fund clean-energy development abroad. Bad timing, that: New research suggest offsets used by the rest of the world are a bust, as well.
At the same time, by making the bill as flexible as possible for the companies that will have to clean up their act, the revised version could end up putting off the real heavy lifting for a decade or two. That, says the World Resources Institute, means that over the next dozen years-despite all the cost and complexity of implementing a big program to regulate the whole economy-the net result would be the same as having no new program at all.
Not everybody is quite so pessimistic; Joe Romm himself figures the bill, as designed, would mean U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions in 2020 would be higher than they are now, but lower than they’d be if the country did nothing. But he figures the bill is already dead-on-arrival in Congress anyway.
Conservative commentators, from the American Enterprise Institute to the WSJ editorial page, are grabbing their silver bullets and wooden stakes, just in case. They figure the legislation would achieve the trifecta of raising energy prices, damaging the U.S. economy, and doing little to help the environment. Newt Gingrich told Fox News that Lieberman-Warner should be called the “China and India Full Employment Act” because it will ship American industry overseas (even though most serious studies find little risk of large-scale “carbon leakage,” as that kind of outsourcing is known.)
Congress is just preparing to sink its teeth into America’s first big foray into climate politics. Even if it doesn’t take a whole month, expect plenty of fireworks.
Source:
http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/05/27/economy-stupid-high-energy-prices-sock-us-climate-bill/
For the scientists:
http://climatesci.org/2008/05/28/error-growth-beyond-the-hapless-butterfly/
Who could have predicted that old man price would copy/paste an anti-global climate change article first thing in the morning?
If you want to bellow on about energy costs crippling the US economy, just look around and see what the bush misadministration has done since they took the White House in 2001. Who else remembers the “secret energy policy group” put together by cheney? Raping the American public with high fuel prices has been their plan all along. It’s all about corporate profit to the bush/cheney criminal cabal.
Good morning my educator friend,
Who could have predicted that the intellectually challenged apophis would bring nothing more to the discussion other than his usual bitter ad hominem attacks and idiotic left wing talking points?
Which political party thinks high gas prices are needed to force conservation?
This is truly PRICEless……………a self proclaimed SCIENCE DENIER (thinks the Earth is only 8000 years old and there is no global climate change) labeling me “intellectually challenged”!
I always like to start the day with a laugh…………………………..
“bitter ad hominem attacks and idiotic left wing talking points”
….anyone who disagrees with a price gets labeled this way. I wear it as a badge of honor!
“Which political party thinks high gas prices are needed to force conservation?”
You need to show us proof of this assertion. Here’s one for you almighty “christian warrior”: which party has been responsible for the economic rape of this great country since January 2001?
Let’s face it Apophis, you are a little far to the left!
“. . .a self proclaimed SCIENCE DENIER (thinks the Earth is only 8000 years old and there is no global climate change)”
Wrong, and wrong again! I believe in science! I just don’t trust the grant whores that will do what ever science they get paid for. And, I believe in climate change! I believe it is constantly changing! It’s getting cooler as we speak! I just don’t think man has much to do with it one way or the other.
“….anyone who disagrees with a price gets labeled this way. I wear it as a badge of honor!”
Not true my dear friend! There are many that disagree with me and we can have a reasonable discussion. I feel you must be going through a mid-life crisis of some kind. Hopefully you’ll come out of it OK.
So, my intellectually challenged educator friend, if you wish to have a dialog with me you need to address what I believe rather than your preconceived notions.
But, then, you might not be smart enough to post without your childish outbursts. If you come here for adult conversation, act like an adult.
…………okay price, let’s start at the core of your anti-science beliefs………….
How old is the Earth?
….oh, I’m not your FRIEND nor will I ever be!
Did God create an abundance of coal at the time of creation, so we’d have something for fuel?
Time to visit the Sanctuary State in these troubling times! (From the Eagle)
Bush visiting Kansas home for private fundraiser
Kansas City Star
President Bush will be in Bucyrus, Kan., this afternoon to raise money for congressional candidate Nick Jordan.
He is expected to help bring in more than $400,000 at the fund-raising event which will be at a private home. It is closed to the press and public.
Most of the money being raised will go to Jordan, a Republican who is challenging Rep. Dennis Moore, a Democrat, in the Kansas 3rd congressional district.
Located off of U.S. 69, Bucyrus is a few miles south of the Johnson and Miami county line.
No information has been provided about when or where Bush will arrive in the area or how his visit will affect traffic.
Is this what Perino (sp?) meant when she said “The President has more pressing matters than to take time to comment on some book.”
DENVER – Maybe it’s his background teaching constitutional law. If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.
Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said.
During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama — a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School — was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.
“I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama.
*****
Wow. A president who doesn’t think that The US Constitution is just a “g-damned piece of paper.” A president who will actually protect and preserve it like he promised in the oath of office.
What a change from
Worst.
President.
Ever.
Thanks for that report, Phantom.
I only wish that I’d heard about it earlier so that I could have protested Worst.President.Ever.
Nick Jorden must be running against Dennis Moore because I think Ryun is going to run against Boyda again.
Both Ryun and Chris Chocola (in South Bend, Indiana) got last-minute kisses of death from Worst.President.Ever. last time around.
The best thing that can happen is to have this miserable failure supporting RepubliCON candidates.
Well apophis, my friend, the earth is probably around 8 to 10 thousand years old. There is a lot of science that supports this fact. Furthermore, it doesn’t even make good sense to believe that it is any older.
We could be friends, I’m obviously extremely more tolerant than you are!
If a democratic government is supposed to be of the people, for the people and by the people, then why are not the American and Iraqi governments obeying the will of the people and getting Americans OUT OF IRAQ. Both countries share a majority of citizens that want the US out.
“the earth is probably around 8 to 10 thousand years old”
……I think that pretty much sums up my skeptism with your concept of science price.
Tell us why you think it is “the earth is probably around 8 to 10 thousand years old”. Could it be because your bible says so?
………….price, you are only tolerant in your own mind.
Just saw the article few minutes ago, think it must have been kept on the QT! (Probably for security reasons, after Scott’s revelations!)
Hope there are some “Bush Lied, troops Died.” signs carried around.
Well, good for Obama. ANd I hope he overturns all the Unconstitutional Executive Orders and Directives that linger from the other past presidents. I do hope however, that he doesn’t
“is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws”
and then “overturn those laws that I feel violate the constitution,” said Obama”
The keyword here is law. I would hope that he is using it in the context of EOS, and not statutory law, that is not within his job description, or capability. Unless, of course, he intends to be another imperial president.
I am sure that he meant EOs and EDs, not “laws” in the common vernacular
HOW to SAVE the AIRLINES
Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.
Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! What the hell — they don’t even serve food anymore, so what’s the loss?
The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a ‘party atmosphere’ going in the cabin. And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.
Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn’t need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working the plane and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and ’special services.
Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues.
This is definitely a win-win situation if we handle it right — a golden opportunity to turn a liability into an asset.
Why didn’t Bush think of this? Why do I still have to do everything myself?
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
Why do you think it’s any older? What proof do you have?
If we’re not friends, then why do you seem to be so obsessed with me?
(Did you fail spelling and English Comp in college? Is that why you’ve resorted to becoming a middle aged educator?)
McCainchurian Candidate? He most certainly holds most of the neocon’s line…
Ron Paul Wins 6 Delegates and 24% in Idaho
http://paul4prez.blogspot.com/2008/05/ron-paul-wins-delegates-and-23-in-idaho.html
Seems to me some republicans are waking up to the fact the GOP has nominated a liberal-neocon and they’re PISSED. There IS a choice.
“During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama — a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School”
I don;t think so.
“The Sun-Times reported that, “Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama’s primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.” In academia, there’s a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]“
“constitutional law professor”
What? Obama was NOT a law professor? He l-lied?
I can take this two ways, both of them positive:
1. Who needs another lawyer in government. We have enough lawyers. Gawd knows we have too many professors too.
2. Obama, like Clinton is a lawyer, and a liar.
Eminently qualified for the job as Prez.
I have something to share with my fellow females this fine morning. When we look at the state of women’s rights around the world, there are certainly countries and cultures where women are treated abominably. However, if anyone needs a powerful reminder of how far we’ve come – pick up a copy of the DVD to Season 1 of Showtime’s “The Tudors”.
Besides offering superb viewing enjoyment (see the personage of Jonathan Rhys Meyers, wonderfully miscast as Henry VIII) – it’s a huge mood elevator. ‘Cause it makes one real, real glad to be livin’ in 21st century USA.
Remember this, everyone: In 16th-century Tudor England, women had no rights. Not even queens. They were the property of the men in their lives – their brothers, fathers, and husbands. Wife-beating wasn’t illegal nor even frowned upon. If a hubbie was displeased with his wifey for even the mildest infraction, he could toss her out, beat her up, disinherit her, you name it. Women had no rights whatsoever. Not even the right to education. In those days, few women could read and write, even amongst the nobility.
Think that’s the worst of it? Oh, hay-ull, no. That ain’t the worst by far.
Now, imagine this: Not only does your father arrange your future marriage before you reach pubescence, but you and your hapless spouse marry before you’ve even met each other!
Is THIS the worst? No way, Hen-raye. Not by far.
If your father is among the nobility in the Tudor court, he’ll sell his own flesh and blood (i.e., his female progeny) to the highest bidder – the terrifying Tudor prince at the tippy-toppiest of the bunch. Not only THAT – but you’ll be expected to fornicate at will – your father’s and/or brother’s will – and TELL THEM ALL ABOUT IT. All the sordid, silly, slurpy, debauched, detached details. If you’ve got an uncle -is he to be left out of the merriment? Heck, no – he gets to be privy to the whole “kitty”-caboodle, too!
Oh….good….golly, that’s toe-curling.
There aren’t a whole lotta things worse than familial indifference. But this is one of them thangs that’s a whole lot worse. The scene depicting Anne Boleyn’s miraculous recovery from the plague drives this point home with some ferocity.
Now, I can’t imagine wakin’ up from that near-fatal bout of pneumonia in 1979 at the tender age of 20, seeing my uncle’s sweating face very close to my own, and hearin’ the man belch thusly:
“You know what you’ve just done, child? You’ve come back from the dead! Now you can copulate with that corpulent, monied land developer who can raise my social standing and triple my bank account! It’s a miracle! Praise be to God!”
If you’re a queen in Tudor England, and you fail to produce a male heir, you’ll be tossed aside – with the blessings of the sycophants of the church. (See the woeful history of Cardinal Wolsey for more on that one….) Failing to birth a boy – and undergoing hours (and sometimes days) of agonizing labor only to produce a mere female – can result in execution or death from the very maladroit medical practitioners in those days. Or, at the very least, having your lord and master (i.e., husband) trade you in for a younger, prettier (and in Anne Boleyn’s case, more shrewish) model.
Oh, my – can I get a show of hands here? How many of my fellow females want to join me in a rousing chorus of “God Bless the USA” right about now?
Besides all this – “The Tudors” offers a fascinating insight into sexual politics. As is also the case with the earlier film “Anne of the Thousand Days” (1969), a thought-provoking, albeit depressing, treatise on male/female relations emerges.
Anne Boleyn used these “politics” to her and her family’s advantage. In 1933, she was crowned Queen. Yet three years later, she and her brother were beheaded on trumped-up charges ordered by her aging flubberpot of a husband.
Fascinating – and horrifying – stuff here.
I’m just so gosh-darned GLAD we won our independence from England. What kind of lives would we be living if we hadn’t? Just think of it: A Tudor king was considered “God’s representative on earth.” The despicable despot was, literally, above the law.
But “The Tudors” is great fun to watch. Jonathan Rhys Meyers bears little to no resemblance to the mutton-faced, tight-lipped, slit-eyed gargantuan of legend. Just get a load of the last scene of episode 10 of this DVD: He and Boleyn are riding horses and suddenly attack one another with animalistic ardor. Meyers is a hoot in the closing frames: bereft of both fruition and frock coat, the “lord and master” throws a little hissy fit. And it’s funny as all get-out.
I’m reminded of those cigarette commercials from the early 1970s: “You’ve come a long way, baby – to get where you’ve got to today! You’ve got your own cigarette now, baby – you’ve come a long, long way!”
I don’t smoke cigarettes – never did – but women have clearly come a long way from the 16th century. And if you were one of the hapless women married to Henry VIII…….
You’d have probably been tempted to light up that long, narrow thang (er, the omnipresent codpiece he usually wore) and toss in the nearest ashtray.
“but women have clearly come a long way from the 16th century”
Maybe in this country. Not so much in much of the world. But that’s another story. Not our problem.
“However, if anyone needs a powerful reminder of how far we’ve come – pick up a copy of the DVD to Season 1 of Showtime’s “The Tudors”.”
Powerful alright. Powerfully vapid and ponderous.
I’m going to assume that sane people dont wade through the late night open thread trash to see one or two salient posts, so I am reposting this here. I think this is a BIGGER deal than the California court ruling.
Source: NYTimes
Gov. David A. Paterson has directed all state agencies to begin to revise their policies and regulations to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions, like Massachusetts, California and Canada.
In a directive issued on May 14, the governor’s legal counsel, David Nocenti, instructed the agencies that gay couples married elsewhere “should be afforded the same recognition as any other legally performed union.”
The revisions are most likely to involve as many as 1,300 statutes and regulations in New York governing everything from joint filing of income tax returns to transferring fishing licenses between spouses.
In a videotaped message given to gay community leaders at a dinner on May 17, Mr. Paterson described the move as “a strong step toward marriage equality.” And people on both sides of the issue said it moved the state closer to fully legalizing same-sex unions in this state.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/nyregion/29marriage.h…
Awww, isn’t it cute! Little fleettie goes to the dictionary for high-culture sounding invective. Awww, coochie-coochie-coo!
This one will make BlueJay happy: Rupert Murdoch appears to have a burgeoning man-crush on Barack Obama.
“So is he optimistic about anything? Yes, he is: He’s cautiously intrigued by… Barack Obama. Murdoch, who said that he was responsible for the New York Post’s endorsement of Obama during the New York primary, said he wasn’t ready to endorse Obama or to vote for him. But he’s pretty close: “I want to be convinced that Obama is the real thing, that can really carry through. I’m open to that.”
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/5/murdoch_u_s_economy_in_for_a_very_hard_time_
I’ll let that horrifying phraseology sink in: “I’m open to that.”
Now HERE is a reason to vote for the Green Party.
Flame away!
“Cynthia McKinney now has the support of over 50% of the delegates to the Green Party national convention who have been chosen so far. Although not all state Green Parties have chosen their delegates, most of them have, so it is very likely that she will obtain the nomination. The national convention is July 10-13 in Chicago. This post originally said she had clinched the nomination, but that was not accurate.”
http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/26/cynthia-mckinne... /
I know where MY vote is going if she’s on the Kansas ballot.
ksfarmgrrl
All gay. All the time.
(yawn)
Nothing to report on wheat prices? Pork bellies?
Cattle futures? Water shortage?
amway = all homophobe, all the time
How does it feel to be a dinosaur and watch the weather getting WORSE!
Cynthia McKinney is a nut.
I’m just killin’ time here until the always insane but entertaining john stone shows up.
I think I’ll file fleetie’s post under “it takes one to know one”….
“All gay. All the time.”
Yeah, it’s not like she is going to switch back and forth. It’s not a choice, you know.
“homophobe”
Sorry to disappoint you Farmgirl, but I really don’t care which way you swing, or anyone else for that matter.
Anyone who posts contra, to any of your posts gets the label. That is just as unfair as humans bashing other humans for being gay.
I can disagree or have another opinion on your posts without meeting the definition of your stereotype.
Well amway, here’s a little test for you to check out how homophobic you really are. No need to share the results. The rest of us already know!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/etc/quiz.html
McKinney is a nut.
“We know there were numerous warnings of the events to
come on September 11,” McKinney said that day. “What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?” McKinney thought she knew the answer. “What is undeniable,” she explained, “is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th.”
Much like nathan, I think you need a good dictionary amway.
American Heritage Dictionary
ho·mo·pho·bi·a Audio Help (h?’m?-f?’b?-?) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
I think voting against gay marriage falls into the number two catagory.
Of course, you’ll have a MILLION excuses why that is NOT homophobia.
I hope they make you feel better.
hee hee hee fleetie. More people agree that bushco either mihop or lihop than approve of bush’s direction for the country.
And more of them approve of the lihop theory than the job bush is doing.
A little google will take you there.
you can use the google, no?
HLP
Posted May 29, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Why do you think it’s any older? What proof do you have?
If we’re not friends, then why do you seem to be so obsessed with me?
(Did you fail spelling and English Comp in college? Is that why you’ve resorted to becoming a middle aged educator?)
The proof is in radiometric dating price. I know that’s difficult for your mind to comprehend.
……obsessed with you…….ah, NO…………do I dislike you and your type, YES
As to your asinine swipe at my profession, you go for it guy. You wouldn’t last a week doing the jobs I do. I worked outside the field of formal education for 7 years. Returning to education was a choice on my part, not something I “resorted to becoming “.
Only a petty-minded fool like you would make an issue of “spelling and English Comp” on a blog. A blog entry isn’t a formal paper to be graded using the Analytical Rating Guide for writing. A blog posting is just a blog posting.
Get over it you narrow minded “christian”.
Your score rates you as “non-homophobic.”
Well, there you go KGF…..Now say your sorry, I will wait…HEEEE HEEEEE HEEE!
And McKinney had it right when she called the 2000 presidential election the “coup d’etat” of the United States.
She’s got my vote!
so anti is really amway?
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya.
And we should take your word about the quiz, um, why?
Ms. Grrl – I got a “Your score rates you as “high-grade non-homophobic.”
Do I get some of your ‘tater salad now?
Peppers?
How’ bout some tomatoes?
Holy crap! You are crazier than I thought, farmdope. Let it happen? Made it happen?
Please excuse my while I flush whatever credibility you ever had.
I think the Bush era will be known as America’s Dark Ages.
Posted May 29, 2008 at 11:47 am
hey fleetie, exactly WHAT in that post did McKinney say that was not true?
And we should take your word about anything, um, why?
I can play your game too, but it us just silliness.
WSClark must be AmWay too!!!!??? Get over yourself KFG, you promote the stereotype.
Hey fleetie, what in that lihop, mihop post was NOT true?
You know, truth just has a liberal bias….
And clark, I never thought you were a homophobe to begin with!
Let’s pretend for a moment that we are together in a large room. Something like a clubhouse on the property and we are all gathered together talking politic’s, religion, sports, and or maybe the latest episode of American Idol.
We are all relaxed, talking in small groups, maybe a few comments or jokes where all participate.
Coffee, tea, wine, beer, or sparkling water drinks. As others arrive, they are casually greeted, offered refreshments, and join in the conversation.
Finally Farmgirl arrives at the party. As she does every time she attends these parties, she screams, “Hi everybody – I’m Gay!” as she waltz’s into the room.
For the rest of the evening, the conversation is all gay. If not, she will periodically stand up and announce the latest gay news.
Now, none of us sit and talk about our sexual heterosexual orientation. We don’t announce it.
We don’t even KNOW everyone in the club rooms sexual standards. We don’t bring the subject up. It really is not a topic matter. We also have black, asian, hispanic, and white people at the party. Not an issue or discussion item.
And yes, I would be the not politically correct guy to say what we all are thinking:
Here comes Farmgirl, all gay all the time.
Facts just CONfound the cons here.
“And clark, I never thought you were a homophobe to begin with!”
I know, but I just had to see the link.
As I say, I am not homophobic, I am claustrophobic.
It makes a lot more sense.
FYI…
26 – Your score rates you as “non-homophobic.”
Nice smear amway. I see how well you guys get along when I am not here.
And the other day, there were two “all gay all the time threads” that I didnt even post on. You little “pretend” scenario” just doesnt hold up. Like most hypotheticals.
Button up. Your bigotry is showing.
Hee hee hee. You wingnuts are so predictable.
Dance puppets, dance!
If they spent as much time studying issues as they do spinning and sputtering in denial…
…they might ACTUALLY make an intelligent point someday.
And someday pigs will fly….
Rush just SHREDDED McCain on his show. Kinda sorta backed McCain over Obama… Well you decide.
He spent about an hour chewing on McCain’s history of liberal and just plain STUPID legislation. Then compared him to Obama. He said at least with Obama you get what you expect, a very left leaning liberal. With McCain?…
Hey, I like white grandmas for my sexual preference.
All WHite, All Grandma, All the time!
Just wanted to announce that, ya know.
My wife of 35 years appreciates it. (Grandma of 7)
“Hey, I like white grandmas for my sexual preference.”
Damn, LJ, with have the same preference – must be something in the water.
“I think voting against gay marriage falls into the number two catagory.”
Where did I post that I voted against gay marriage?
tick-tock.
“Damn, LJ, with have the same preference – must be something in the water.”
Could be it.
“Hey, I like white grandmas for my sexual preference.”
“Damn, LJ, with have the same preference – must be something in the water.”
heh. Dont leave me out of that preference!
Although the white part is optional. I like women of color too!
American_Way
Posted May 29, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
“I think voting against gay marriage falls into the number two catagory.”
Where did I post that I voted against gay marriage?
tick-tock.
========================================
Well, here you sided with the CA “majority” who voted against gay marriage — Dont know how you voted in Kansas — if you are even IN Kansas
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-528/#comment-359271
“Hey, I like white grandmas for my sexual preference.”
“Damn, LJ, with have the same preference – must be something in the water.”
“heh. Dont leave me out of that preference!”
Okay, that just took a wierd turn, but kinda funny I think. I guess in some wierd sort of way, Ksfarmgrrl and I have the same sexual preference after all. WHo woulda thought? LOL!
Thanks Chas. I was in the process of doing a bone dig, but you saved me the trouble! I knew I read that somewhere….
Heheheh. Lj. It was meant to be funny. Nothing more.
Well, maybe a little trolling for grandmas of color.
:)
PTSD Rises 46% Among US Troops
New figures show a dramatic increase in post-traumatic stress disorder among US troops. According to the Pentagon, new cases of PTSD surged more than 46 percent last year, bringing the five-year total to nearly 40,000. The number of cases rose as President Bush extended Army tours and expanded the occupation of Iraq under the so-called troop surge.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/28/headlines
Grand Jury Hears Iraqi Witnesses in Blackwater Case
At least three Iraqi witnesses appeared before a federal grand jury Tuesday investigating last September’s killing of seventeen Iraqis by guards with the military company Blackwater Worldwide. No charges have been filed in what’s become known as the Nissor Square massacre. Blackwater is immune from prosecution in Iraq under a US-imposed law. Prosecutors say they’re still unsure whether Blackwater can be charged in the United States. One witness left the court building clutching a family photograph.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/28/headlines
Ex-Diplomat: US Planning Iran Strike
The Asia Times is reporting a former assistant secretary of state is claiming the Bush administration is planning an air strike against Iran within the next two months. The anonymous official said the US attack would target the headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s elite Quds force. Last week, the Bush administration denied an Israeli news report that President Bush plans to attack Iran before the end of his term.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/28/headlines
I wish the military would tell him to blow it out his A$$ if he orders an attack on Iran!!
“Well, here you sided with the CA “majority” who voted against gay marriage — Dont know how you voted in Kansas — if you are even IN Kansas”
No Chas – that would be a lie. I did not state anywhere in that link that I “voted” or even “sided” with the voters on a gay vote.
In fact, the link you provided does not meet Farmgirls definition of “homophobe”.
It also doesn’t meet the “bigot” definition.
I guess you both are guilty as charged. I expected it from you Chas, but I thought in the back of my mind that Farmgirl would be a little more careful in making split second opinions about people. I was wrong.
Tick-Tock.
“Heheheh. Lj. It was meant to be funny. Nothing more.”
I know. I took it that way. It just strike my funny bone a second time in an ironic way.
All in all, should be a line in a script some where
“Chas
Posted May 29, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
I wish the military would tell him to blow it out his A$$ if he orders an attack on Iran!!”
Wow, wishing for an Unconstitional act by the US Military. Can anyone say militare coupe?
“Chas
Posted May 28, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink
The Court is throwing out a law, passed by bigots, that is just flat out Unconstitutional!!
Get it??”
Posted May 29, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
“Chas
Posted May 29, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
I wish the military would tell him to blow it out his A$$ if he orders an attack on Iran!!”
“Wow, wishing for an Unconstitional act by the US Military. Can anyone say militare coupe?”
I guess that makes Chas a bigot.
You dont seem to speak against this >>>
“The above illustrates that the will of the people, the voters in the vast majority of states – have voted in favor or protecting marriage as between a man and a woman.”
If you dont speak against it, does that mean you agree with it??
The military is not duty bound to act on orders that are immoral or illegal… Attacking Iran is certainly immoral… maybe illegal… how does that put me either Unconstitutional, OR bigoted??
No Chas,
Too late to ask me to clarify my post from yesterday, which you already used to call me a bigot and Farmgirl used to call me a homophobe.
tick-tock.
“The military is not duty bound to act on orders that are immoral”
Where did you get that idea?
“Attacking Iran is certainly immoral… maybe illegal… how does that put me either Unconstitutional,”
Maybe illegal, maybe? according to which law? The US President, by the COnstitution of the United States, is commander in chief of the United States armed forces. Should they refuse to obey their COnstituionally defined head, they are acting unConstituionally.
I havenot called you any such thing today.. You said to show where you had voted for an anti-gay (hate) law… You didnt post that you had VOTED for it… but, in the above link, you seem to AGREE with the CA majority vote on the hate law… Go read again what YOU stated… This is as close as I can find to you saying you are FOR the original CA hate law against gay marriage…
Now, either you are for the CA law, or you are against it… I really wish you folks would READ!! Sure would save a lot of typing!!
L J no soldier is duty bound to obey an order that is immoral or illegal… Sorry, that is a simple fact… Doesnt matter where it comes from in the Chain of Command…
“you seem to AGREE”
That Chas, is a lie. I call bullshit.
But I’m done with it. You are not man enough to admit a mistake or being wrong. Farmgirl well,
who knows?
“Chas
Posted May 29, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
L J no soldier is duty bound to obey an order that is immoral or illegal… Sorry, that is a simple fact… Doesnt matter where it comes from in the Chain of Command…”
Please supply some subjective legal analyis or readings or rulings to support your “simple fact”
One that passes Constitutional muster.
“This is as close as I can find to you saying you are FOR the original CA hate law against gay marriage…”
It also is as close as you will find me saying I am AGAINST the original CA law.
And Chas-
Please define illegal. Inthe context above, which you approved and asked for the military commanders to disregard an order to attack Iran, please provide how you would define that as an illegal act.
Please.
I have not heard from any posters on the condition of Chas of late. I did in fact receive a letter from a minister in Kansas with a first name of Lee.
Not sure if this is your fellow. But I am still concerned as I see he appears somewhat unstable
in his postings.
I have yet to receive anything regarding the poster Nathan. I’m sure if it was important, I would have received something by now.
v/r
Head,
Chaplain Corpsee
CHAS-
PEACE BE UPON YOUR AND YOURS. MAY WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE GOD TO BE BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU.
I am out of here for the night
That goes for all of you. Be safe.
LJ, hate to side with chas, but he is right.
Also, the president has to get congressional approval to go to war.
I took kfg’s test. Here are my results. I had no idea I was so open minded. Of course homophobic is a worthless, inflammatory term.
28 – Your score rates you as “non-homophobic.”
In his 1996 study of 64 white, male college students, Dr. Henry Adams classed 29 participants as “non-homophobic.” Their mean score was 30.48. This is not conclusive, however. Dr. Adams, the researcher who helped develop this scale, writes that “a major difficulty of this area of research is in defining and measuring homophobia.” Elsewhere, he cautions: Since there is no universally accepted definition of homophobia, the scales currently in use may not measure all aspects of homophobia.
SolDevVB
Posted May 29, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
LJ, hate to side with chas, but he is right.
Please provide legal precedent that the US MIlitary does that have to folow order of the President of the United States if they view them as immoral.
Also, the president has to get congressional approval to go to war.
According to the war powers act, not exactly. But
I really have to go now. peace
GOOOOOOOOO GAAAAY!!!! (****Jazz Hands****)
LJ,
Should you come back to this thread…
I don’t have a link. I served 10 years in the Army. They tell you this as often as possible. You do not have to follow an order to carry out an illegal or immoral act. I don’t have the time nor patience to look it up. I’m sure there are several veterans here that will verify.
This relegates to individual soldiers. If one were to follow a rather exuberant chain of events… The soldier refuses, the NCO refuses, the Chief refuses, the CO refuses, the Battalion Commander refuses… So it would not be ‘the Air Force’ refusing, but Air Force personnel.
As per the war powers act, the president is able to send the nation into war, but for a limited amount of time. The Congress would be under no obligation to support nor fund the same.
Article 90 UCMJ
(2) Disobeying superior commissioned officer.
(a) Lawfulness of the order.
(i) Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.
(ii) Authority of issuing officer. The commissioned officer issuing the order must have authority to give such an order. Authorization may be based on law, regulation, or custom of the service.
Here is one more…
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
http://www.crisispapers.org/texts/UCMJ.htm
Guess I did have the time and patience
The problem is, one has decide what is unlawful. Getting an order from the President of the United States to attack a country may not necessarily be unlawful.
Declaration of War aside, the decision to attack an entity of any kind is determined by threat assessment.
Without knowing what went into the threat assessment, your military behind would be hanging ‘half mast’ at the flag pole if you happen to refuse to follow the order.
If the order was something like, “go kill and maim babies, rape women and only attack civilians,” then one would have a backing to decline to follow said order as it is highly likely unlawful.
Refusing a lawful order because it is unsavory, politically unsound or curiously ‘dicey’ is not a reason not to follow the lawful order.
It’s kind of like porn, “You’ll know it when you see it.”
Attacking another country by orders of the President would not be considered unlawful. Unsound, politically dangerous, stupid and generally bad in the common sense department, but it wouldn’t be unlawful.
I know this isn’t about gays, guns or God but it is interesting.
We hear all of the time about conservative talk radio. Now we know why the liberals don’t have much. They don’t know how to sell advertising to finance it.
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AIR $CAM-ERICA GUY ARRESTED IN GUAM
By TOM TOPOUSIS
Click to enlarge
May 29, 2008 — The mystery man behind the looting of a Bronx charity to finance the startup of liberal radio network Air America was arrested yesterday in Guam.
Evan Montvel-Cohen was picked up by border-patrol officers at Guam International Airport on an outstanding warrant from Hawaii. He had been indicted there last month for money laundering and the theft of more than $60,000 from a Honolulu landscaping firm, prosecutors said.
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No need just steal it.
‘1,700 Scientists and Economists Call For Immediate Action on Greenhouse Gas Reductions‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/1-700-scientists-and-economists-call-for-immediate-action-on-greenhouse-gas-reductions
“More than 1,700 of the nation’s most prominent scientists and economists today released a joint statement calling on policymakers to require immediate, deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions that cause global warming.
“The longer we wait, the harder and more costly it will be to limit climate change,” said the statement, which calls for a reduction in US emissions of 80 percent below 2000 levels by 2050.
“There is a strong consensus that we must do something about reducing the emissions that cause global warming,” said James McCarthy, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and one of the statement’s authors.
Besides McCarthy, the statement authors include Mario Molina, a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry; Peter Frumhoff, director of science and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) and an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) lead author; Stephen Schneider, a Stanford University climatologist and a member of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS); and Geoff Heal, an economist at Columbia University’s Business School. The signatories, compiled by UCS, include six Nobel Prize winners in science or economics, 31 NAS members, and more than 100 IPCC authors and editors, who all shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore.
A full copy of the letter and the criteria for those endorsing the letter can be downloaded here (pdf).”
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/global_warming/Scientist_Economists_Call_to_Action_fnl.pdf
FilmFan–
I’m not sure where you’re getting your facts, probably from that HBO movie series, but they are exaggerated and incorrect at times.
Women had a lot of rights in the 16th century. Arranged marriages weren’t common for instance, except among the nobility. Shakespeare’s marriage wasn’t arranged and neither were his daughters’ Susanna and Judith, for instance. Women’s rights to inheritance were long established.
As far as women not getting educated, it’s true that the poor of both genders didn’t have access to schooling, and women were more deprived of that than men overall, but many women did get educated as evidenced by this short list–
Lady Mary Wroth, poet
Anne Clifford, diary
Queen Elizabeth I
Elizabeth Cary, writer
Rachel Speght, biblical scholar
One source put it this way:
“There was a good deal of ambivalence about women’s education in the earlier seventeenth century. Protestant leaders believed that women as well as men of all ranks should be able at least to read the Bible, as well as some religious literature. Women of higher ranks were taught to read and often to write in English, and in addition they often studied French . . .”
And
“Dorothy Leigh’s often reprinted advice book The Mother’s Blessing (1616) has quite different emphases: the need to bring up children with gentleness and to give them a good education. She also urges her sons only to marry women they will love to the end and to make their wives companions, not servants.”
As for wife-beating, it did occur then as it does now, but men could be tried for life-threatening beating. There’s no evidence it was approved of, but it was more tolerated. Also, rape and unlawful sexual relations were illegal. Shakespeare’s second son-in-law was arrested and fined for fornication soon after he had married Judith.
As for the last contention that women were forced into fornication for the entertainment of their partners, nothing could be further from the truth.
Here’s how one source describes it:
“Women were continually instructed that their spiritual and social worth resided above all else in their practice of and reputation for chastity.”
Katherine Howard didn’t live long when she allegedly maintained her love affair with her former paramour after marrying Henry 8, for instance.
“We hear all of the time about conservative talk radio. Now we know why the liberals don’t have much. They don’t know how to sell advertising to finance it.”
Besides the lack of Ad sales, many people don’t want to listen to the crap. That is why it generally fails.
I believe that Chas is correct. Immoral orders are still immoral. Every man’s “duty is to the king, but every man’s soul’s his own.”
The Nuremburg defense was “I was only following orders.”
Didn’t stop us from executing them for war crimes.
Bush would be delivering an illegal command to attack Iran without the favorable vote of both the House and the Senate… Thus, if he gave the order, it would be illegal to obey that order… As far as being immoral… That speaks for itself…
Amazing to see how many call me bigot and Unconstitutional for upholding the Law ANd the UCMJ!! Absolutely amazing!!
And AmWay wants me to admit I am wrong??
Yea, right!!
The other thing to keep in mind, FilmFan, life was bad for women in the age of the Tudors, but it was no picnic for men either.
Just ask the Earl of Essex or Walter Raleigh or Lady Jane Grey and her husband under Elizabeth I . . .
Their version of “life is a b*tch, and then you die” was this line from Thomas Hobbes, life is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”
Correction–Jane Grey was earlier than Elizabeth . . . but she was executed just the same.
However, I keep hearing little news snippets this week how Bush wants to attack/invade Iran before the end of his term… Does he think he can stop the elections if he does that??
That isn’t exactly true either Chas. There is the war powers act. Declaring war and ordering a military strike would, in most cases, not be found immoral or illegal by a court.
After the time span offered by the war powers, all bets are off.
I’m not sure if the war powers act would allow Bush to invade a sovereign nation without provocation, without a Vote of Congress…
Wrong Chas.
Remember those speed boats buzzing the Navy warships? The Navy could have blown them right out of the water because the Iranians ignored the warnings. That would have been an attack on Iran because as I said before, the threat assessment dictated such.
Sustainment is the key and severity of the attack. If Bush when in with massive nukes, yeah..there would be hell to pay.
However, if Bush went in and surgically took out a convoy of trucks holding IED bomb making supplies, not much anyone can do about it except point fingers and yell.
FLASH
“Texas Supreme Court upholds ruling that children should be returned to parents at polygamist ranch.”
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What is this world coming to?
It’s getting to where the state can’t even steal children from religious wacko groups.
Yeah it looks like in Texas, weird religions, child abuse, and rape are part of the landscape.
Some scientists have now decided that dinosaurs did not change into birds and fly off, after all, but died off when their eggs and hatchlings were eaten by huge flying lizards, rather than by demonic frogs, as you previously thought.
See news page
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360101,00.html
and science page
sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080527201814.htm and flashback page
dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/19/devil-frog-fossil.html
Taking out speed boats is a BIG difference from invading a sovereign nation, such as I referred to upthread… Taking out the speed boats is a defensive maneuver…
32,000 American scientists, including over 9,000 Ph.D’s, have now signed the “Oregon Petition” rejecting Kyoto and other similar measures, and the premise of “global warming” itself. The petition reads:
“We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
Pity the next generation, more selling out by this generation!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080529/bs_nm/gm_buyouts_dc_4
Exactly what is the reason we continue to trade with an enemy?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/china_hacking_9
I bet some of Parkay’s “scientists” and Hanks “scientists” are some of the same people.
Probably mostly the same people.
KT event parkay. 65 million years ago. There is a layer of iridium in the geologic strata that proves it.
You all should stick to church chat.
Dear Hank Price,
Please define “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”.
‘Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/
“A large number of US scientists (to our direct knowledge: engineers, biologists, computer scientists and geologists) received a package in the mail this week. The package consists of a colour preprint of a ‘new’ article by Robinson, Robinson and Soon and an exhortation to sign a petition demanding that the US not sign the Kyoto Protocol. If you get a feeling of deja vu, it is because this comes from our old friends, the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and is an attempt to re-invigorate the highly criticised 1999 “Oregon Petition”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
The article itself is just an update of the original article, minus an author (Baliunas), with a switch of Robinson children (Zachary’s out, Noah is in), but with a large number of similar errors and language. As in previous case, this paper too, is not peer reviewed.”
Some errors in the OISM petition,
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=OISM
Is Hank Price impressed by the late Frederick Seitz?
In the OISM mailout there’s a note, “We urge you to sign and return…” that ends with,
“Frederick Seitz
Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A.
President Emeritus, Rockefeller University”
For some reason, they did not include the 1989 statement (19 years ago) from a senior executive at RJ Reynolds:
“Dr. Seitz is quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice.”
More on the infamous, and ridiculous Oregon Petition,
http://www.desmogblog.com/infamous-oregon-global-warming-petition-alive-and-well
How ’bout it, junior,
Still living with your mommy? How’s that working for ya?
Poor cosmos, thinks consensus is science! Unless of course he’s out numbered, 32,000 to 1,700!
Sorry cosmos, you lose.
Hank, you are getting more obnoxious all the time… What the heck is your problem?? As for JR (not junior) — Does calling him names give you a rush of power, or what?? huh??
Good evening Chas!
I think poor little junior fired the first shot today. His new nic is BlueJay, not J R. Never was JR.
He’ll always be junior to me.
Dear Hank Price,
Oreskes won, and your side, Benny Peiser, lost.
‘The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change’
Naomi Oreskes
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/306/5702/1686
Hank Price believes that people who do not have a climate science background, and who have not done any work in the climate field, are qualified on climate issues.
Hank Price seems to be irrational, and/or very dumb.
Define “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”. Like Venus?
Other than a political hack and history professor, Naomi is qualified how?
You become very boring when you get stuck on your goracle talking points.
… and HLP you continue to live up to your middle initial L = Little Man
Good evening LR2!
I see you’ve joined the discussion with you’re usual intelligent comments! Got anything to add, or are you just venting?
Out of the 32,000 that signed the petition, cosmos, over 9,000 were PhD’s. How many ‘economists’ were required to get to the 1,700 number on your side?
Dear Hank Price,
Do you actually believe that “science” is done by signing and returning a card mailed to you in an envelope with a La Jolla, CA P.O. box return address? A card that uses the ridiculous phrase: “catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere”. Are you really that dumb?
I kept the OISM package mailed to me, to laugh at in the future. A colleague got one mailed to her relative who had died 12 years ago — she could have easily forged a signature and returned it.
And I suggest that you carefully compare all of the differences,
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GWPP/Qualifications_Of_Signers.html
versus
(880 KB PDF)
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/global_warming/Scientist_Economists_Call_to_Action_fnl.pdf
Also,
historyweb.ucsd.edu/oreskes/pages/profile.html
“Naomi Oreskes (Ph.D., Stanford, 1990) is Professor of History and Science Studies at the University of California, San Diego. Her research focuses on the historical development of scientific knowledge, methods, and practices in the earth and environmental sciences, and on understanding scientific consensus and dissent.
…
Education
B.Sc., First Class Honours: Mining Geology, The Royal School of Mines, Imperial College, University of London, England. 1981
Ph.D. Graduate Special Program in Geological Research and History of Science, Stanford University, 1990 “
Outlander, I guess if Nambla just claim its a religion, they can be protected under the Supreme Court of Texas.
So . . .
I guess Naomi hasn’t actually done any ’science’. But, she has studied the party line so that makes her OK in your book.
Hey P_mama,
NAMBLA doesn’t really need to claim to be a religion. According to the ACLU they have a constitutional right to bugger boys already.
“According to the ACLU they have a constitutional right to bugger boys already.”
Come on Hank, that’s just a lie.
Please provide some proof or admit it is a lie.
This is from the ACLU website, under “frequently asked questions.
“Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA?
In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech.”
I’ll be waiting for your apology.
Look it up for yourself.
http://www.aclu.org/info/18852res20040107.html
And yet another FACT from the same website.
“Is the ACLU against religion?
The ACLU believes in the right of each and every American to practice his or her own religion, or no religion at all, is among the most fundamental of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The ACLU works to ensure religious liberty is protected by keeping the government out of the realm of all religions. For more information, please see the Religious Liberty section.”
Ms, Farmgrrl – a serious question that you may have an answer for…………..
California and Massachusetts rightfully recognize same sex marriages. DOMA does not require that other States recognize those marriages, but what about the Federal government?
Specifically, would a CA or MA gay couple be able to file a “married filing jointly” Federal tax return, even if they did not live in CA or MA (and now NY?)
Just asking………………..
Obamas church at it again:
At Obama’s Church, Chicago Minister Says Clinton Felt ‘White’ Entitlement
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, May 29, 2008
Rev. Michael Pfleger, shown here in a YouTube video of his Sunday sermon at Barack Obama’s church, has apologized for comments about Hillary Clinton.
Another Chicago minister is causing headaches for Barack Obama after he told the Democratic candidate’s church congregation Sunday that Hillary Clinton felt entitled to the presidency because she’s white.
Catholic pastor Michael Pfleger, who is white, issued a formal apology for his sermon Thursday after Obama put out a statement saying he was “deeply disappointed” by Pfleger’s remarks at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
“I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them,” Pfleger said.
That was after a video of his sermon was posted on YouTube.
In it, Pfleger mocked Clinton for getting choked up on camera before the New Hampshire primary in January.
“When Hillary was crying … I really don’t believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white. And this is mine’,” he said, shouting at times. “Then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey I’m Barack Obama’. And she said, ‘Oh damn! Where did you come from? I’m white! I’m entitled! There’s a black man stealing my show’!”
After that, he simulated Clinton crying and then said: “She wasn’t the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people crying … I’m sorry. I don’t wanna get you in any more trouble. The live streaming just went out again.”
He also said at one point, “America has been raping people of color and America has to pay the price for the rape. “
The video was later posted on WorldNetDaily, which ran a story on the sermon.
The video was a reminder of the many sermons from Obama’s former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. that have dogged his campaign since March. In the videos, Wright described his country as institutionally racist and made disparaging comments toward Clinton that referenced the issue of race. Obama has rejected Wright’s controversial statements and his campaign issued a statement Thursday rejecting Pfleger’s.
“As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us,” the statement said. “That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.”
Pfleger is not a member of Obama’s church, but Trinity United confirmed he was a guest at the church Sunday.
Pfleger’s support of Obama is well known in Chicago, and an Obama aide confirmed Pfleger contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaign during his years in the Illinois legislature.
The aide told FOX News that when Obama was a state Senator in 2000, he secured a $100,000 earmark for the ARK Community Center, a center attached to Pfleger’s St. Sabina church. The aide said the initiative was awarded to help keep at risk kids off the streets by giving them a place to play.
Pfleger was also once a member of the Catholics for Obama Committee, which is a voluntary advisory committee to the Obama campaign, the aide said. But the aide said Pfleger decided to step down a few weeks ago from this committee, though the campaign did not request the resignation.
FOX News’ Jeff Goldblatt contributed to this report.
No Clark. The federal government does not recognize same sex marriages for the purposes of spousal benefits.
yet
That probably does it for you, ‘Merican, no chance now that you will vote for Barack Obama for President.
“The federal government does not recognize same sex marriages for the purposes of spousal benefits.”
Damn.
Hmmmm. Odd that Hank would disappear so suddenly when called out on a lie…
Yeah Clark. Funny how that “states’ rights” argument isnt used in cases like this. Or federal government not recognizing state medical marijuana laws.
Cons love small government and states’ rights.
Except when they dont….
Please note that Fr. Michael Pfleger is NOT a Pastor of Trinity UCC in Chicago.
http://historyweb.ucsd.edu/oreskes/pages/profile.html
“Her research focuses on the historical development of scientific knowledge, methods, and practices in the earth and environmental sciences, and on understanding scientific consensus and dissent.”
I see Hank, since its a boy being raped, that’s not ok, but girls, they’re open game, right?
Please note that Trinity UCC invited him to speak there AND Fr. Michael Pfleger is an Obama supporter.
Anybody remember how much of a hissy fit the CONS had on this Blog back when Hillary cried?? It was pretty pathetic, now that it seems they are agreeing that she was crying for real… TISTF!!!
Yep farmgirl, I apologize. The ACLU is all for freedom of speech, unless of course you believe sodomy is immoral and happen to mention it. Then they consider that a ‘hate crime’.
So, as long as your right to free speech doesn’t infringe upon their extreme left wing agenda you’re OK.
http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/2005/12/aclu-and-nambla.html
“Please note that Trinity UCC invited him to speak there AND Fr. Michael Pfleger is an Obama supporter.”
So what you are saying is that Obama is responsible for what everyone of his supporters says and is responsible for everything that goes on in his church.
So you feel the same sense of responsibility applies to George WMD Bush and John “I Wanna Be Three” McCain?
I don’t remember the crying Chas, remind me.
Sure they invited him to preach there… Trinity had raised significant $$$$ to help Fr. Pfleger’s parish with the ARK project, in addition to Fed. grants… I BELIEVE those grants were part of Bush’s “faith-based initiatives”
Why do you think that the ACLU defended NAMBLA?
Must be something to that connection. Can’t just be the defense of free speech.
They just overlooked the abuse and fought for freedom of speech? As officers of the court?
Something seriously wrong with that!
Hah!
“unless of course you believe sodomy is immoral”
Over ninety percent of heterosexual couples practice sodomy of some sort – are they all immoral?
Leave it to Faux Noiz to try to connect an inner city priest, with Dr. Wright, who is now retired…. Amazing spin!!
WSClark
Posted May 29, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
“unless of course you believe sodomy is immoral”
Over ninety percent of heterosexual couples practice sodomy of some sort – are they all immoral?
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Interesting stat do you have a source other than the top of your head?
Pope on April 30th when Dr. Wright made his final rant in Trinity the infamous father was present. You should know this without me telling you Pope. The ties are there: Obama hangs with hateful people.
And I here that Trinity UCCs tax exempt status is under review as well.
It just goes to show the type of supporters that Obama is leading out.
“Interesting stat do you have a source other than the top of your head?”
Sodomy includes oral sex, both giving and receiving.
Does that make the statistic easier for you to understand?
Oral sodomy maybe, but not anal sodomy.
I believe anal sodomy for hetereosexual is probably a very low percentage.
After all, why use back door, when you can go through the front. :)
The ACLU would not defend the “beliefs” of NAMBLA… They would defend their right to “free speech” if it was threatened…
You remember, American, the same way Fred Thompson said he could be a lobbyist for a company he didnt agree with??
“And I here (sic) that Trinity UCCs tax exempt status is under review as well.”
Link?
Wasn’t there an ACLU attorney associated with the NAMBLA case that got caught with child porn? Seem to recall that. Might have that regional director dude.
WS it wasn’t hard to understand I just thought it interesting that you threw out that 90% off the top of your head as if you had some insight.
“Oral sodomy maybe, but not anal sodomy.”
That was not noted in the post.
“unless of course you believe sodomy is immoral”
And for the record, sodomy is not illegal.
Mercy sakes… observer is talking to invisible posters again!! Must be the bad meds!! LOL
And then oh Barack recants them and kicks them under the bus when it isn’t convenient politically for him, the half white/half black guy that he is.
“WS it wasn’t hard to understand I just thought it interesting that you threw out that 90% off the top of your head as if you had some insight.”
What the Hell does that mean – another one of your ridiculous cheap shots?
ah, here it is…
Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1
“the half white/half black guy that he is.”
I wouldn’t expect any better from you than that, American.
Typical Republican.
Why don’t you just call him a Halfrican like your hero Rush or Mullato Messiah like Hank Price.
ANY lawyer caught with child porn, should be locked up.. put away!! Doesnt matter what firm, or organization they work for… Child Porn = automatic prison!!
WS I merely made a statement about your post. You stated a fact. I questioned that fact. No harm no fowl. Why the abrasive attitude. Don’t other bloggers question you when you are wrong.
Pope don’t pretend you don’t know who you are. I thought you had to pack.
Regular
Posted May 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink
I don’t remember the crying Chas, remind me.
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You admit to selective memory?? That is even in the Fox News story, old boy!!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54471
Regular I couldn’t get your link to work but here is one about the same subject. Imagine he once argued for the right to have porn sites available in public libraries.
Freedom of speech, the things you can mask with this moniker.
“Don’t other bloggers question you when you are wrong.”
I’m seldom wrong – if I am – I admit it as soon as I become aware of it.
In this case, I am not wrong.
People often claim that sodomy is immoral when referring to gay rights, as their justification for their hatred of gays.
Sodomy, however, is not exclusive to gays and most heterosexual also practice sodomy – they just don’t call it that.
But for the record, I read the stat some years ago – I also have an excellent memory despite my advanced age, my marijuana use and my heavy drinking.
(And it case you can’t figure it out – the last two conditions were a jab at my many detractors.)
I’ve had my own place for more than 20 years Hank.
Have you EVER had your own place?
The “junior” bit doesn’t bother me too much. You yourself noted that my earlier nic was J R and not JR or Jr. Too, after more than a year of fighting here, you were not able to come up with the appelation on your own.
You took it from fleetwood. Known widely as the blogs dumbest poster.
Ok that’s outta the way.
Oh and so are global warming deniers. They don’t even have a Presidential candidate now. And even Newt Gingrich is now on the green team or says he is.
And of course Obama just can’t seem to find a pastor whose foot isn’t firmly placed in his mouth.
It’s not a matter of disagreement for the ACLU to defend NAMBLA, it’a a matter of an officer of the court defending an organization the promotes man to boy sexual relationships.
“North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
NAMBLA’s goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:
building understanding and support for such relationships;
educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.”
The above is nothing more than pedophilia, which the last time I knew it was illegal.
The ACLU is no stranger to taking controversial stances. Often, its clients are notoriously unpopular such as Neo-Nazi organizations and the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). The ACLU’s Massachusetts affiliate represented NAMBLA on First Amendment grounds, in a wrongful death civil suit that was based solely on the fact that a man who raped and murdered a child had visited the NAMBLA website. Although the ACLU does not endorse NAMBLA’s message, its defense of the group has been widely criticized.
This issue took on a Virginia connection last year, when Charles Rust-Tierney, a former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU from 2002 to 2005, was charged with possession of child pornography. He pled guilty to one count of receipt of child pornography on June 1, 2007, and was sentenced to a term of seven years in federal prison.
At the time of his arrest, Rust-Tierney was a member of the Virginia ACLU’s board of directors, but he resigned his position after he was arrested.
One of the ACLU’s positions — which Rust-Tierney had argued in court — has been that there should be no restrictions on access to the Internet in public libraries. Critics of the ACLU latched onto Rust-Tierney’s conviction as proof that the ACLU is a front not only for the American Communist Party but also for NAMBLA.
http://www.democraticcentral.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1364
Interesting, so Rust-Tierney had the same position as the ACLU on NAMBLA, that is, that there should be no restrictions of child porn on the Internet.
Chas
Posted May 29, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted May 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink
I don’t remember the crying Chas, remind me.
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You admit to selective memory?? That is even in the Fox News story, old boy!!
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Not selective, just don’t remember Hillary crying.
So, American, you pick one of the wackiest groups in the whole damn country, and mount an attack against it… OK, thats fine… But why not find out just what the Case in Point is that the ACLU defended for that insane group…??
Regular,
Careful, Chas might call you a liar, because you disagree with him.
Caution.
Chas,
Why don’t you enlighten us, oh wise one, above all else.
She cried, Regular — New Hampshire… ALSO see note in the above Fox posting…
You are not emitting very cleanly there, eh pastor?
I find it interesting, that when WorldNet Daily has something the CONS want to post, it’s an OK source… When Libs use it, then its just a bunch of junk… Hmmmmm…
“Not selective, just don’t remember Hillary crying.”
Well, most of the rest of the US does – she got all teary-eyed in New Hampshire (?) about the strain of the campaign at a cafe appearance with a group of women.
No big deal – but it did happen.
Chas
Posted May 29, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
I find it interesting, that when WorldNet Daily has something the CONS want to post, it’s an OK source… When Libs use it, then its just a bunch of junk… Hmmmmm…
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Facts are easy to check look up your own source. Just google thats what most people do Pope. Don’t ck with WS though – he gets his facts off the top of his old gray head as he said.
Ah yes, the radical extremists liberals:
Defenders of NAMBLA.
Defenders of Louis Farakan.
Defenders of Rev Jeremiah Wright.
Defenders of the ALCU and Charles Rust-Tierney.
Defenders of unbridled freedom, without personal responsibility.
Observer once gain talks to imaginary posters!! And uses my post to do it!! Gotta be the meds.. or the water…
And Defenders of Fr. Michael Pfleger.
Ah yes, the radical extremists liberals:
Defenders of Evolution.
Defenders of Atheism.
Defenders of Abortion.
Defenders of the UN.
“Defenders of Evolution.”
Considered to be the only acceptable theory by scientists.
“Defenders of Atheism.”
I thought America was about freedom of religion, which includes no religion.
Defenders of Abortion.
A woman’s right to choose – not your right to dictate.
Defenders of the UN.
“The United States IS the UN – we have always held a permanent position on the Security Council with absolute veto power.
Any more bullshit?
heh, just popped into my head about what the progressive Lib saying should be when they go to confess their sins.
What they should say…
“Forgive me father, I have sinned.”
What the progressive Libs usually end up saying…
“Bless me father, I have sinned.”
:D
“Don’t ck with WS though – he gets his facts off the top of his old gray head as he said.”
Hey, asshole, are you disputing the statistics?
If not, STFU.
Looks like the Airforce has some ’splaining to do:
TANKER CONTROVERSY: QUESTIONS THE AIR FORCE MUST ANSWER
Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D.
Issue Brief
May 28, 2008
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It is now three months since the Air Force shocked the world by awarding the contract for its next-generation aerial-refueling tanker to Northrop Grumman and the European parent of Airbus. Throughout that time, service officials have insisted that the process by which the winner was chosen was transparent and fair. But the service has failed to answer even the most basic questions about how the decision was made to deny the contract to Boeing, the widely favored incumbent. The Government Accountability Office is expected to issue a ruling on Boeing’s protest of the outcome in mid-June. Whatever it finds, the Air Force has some explaining to do…
1. The Air Force says it would cost roughly the same amount to develop, manufacture and operate 179 next-generation tankers, regardless of whether they are based on the Boeing 767 or the Airbus A330. But the Airbus plane is 27% heavier than the Boeing plane, and burns over a ton more fuel per flight hour. With fuel prices headed for the upper stratosphere, how can both planes cost the same amount to build and operate over their lifetimes?
2. The Air Force says it would be equally risky to develop the Boeing tanker or the Airbus tanker — after forcing Boeing to substantially increase the time and money required to develop its version. But Boeing proposed to build its tanker on the same assembly line where it has already constructed hundreds of the same airframe, whereas Airbus proposes to build its tanker at a plant and with a workforce that don’t yet exist in Alabama. How can the risks be equal?
3. The Air Force says that a computerized simulation of how the competing tankers would function in an actual wartime scenario strongly favored the larger Airbus plane. But the simulation assumed longer runways, stronger asphalt and more parking space than actually exists at forward bases, and failed to consider the consequences of losing bases in wartime. How can such unrealistic assumptions be relevant to the selection of a next-generation tanker?
4. The Air Force says the Northrop-Airbus team received higher ratings on past performance than the Boeing team, based on a review of programs deemed similar to the future tanker. But Boeing built all 600 of the tankers in the current Air Force fleet, whereas Northrop and Airbus have never delivered a single tanker equipped with the refueling boom the Air Force requires. How can Northrop and Airbus have superior past performance?
I could go on. The Air Force refused to consider Boeing cost data based on 10,000,000 hours of operating the commercial version of the 767, substituting instead repair costs based on the 50-year-old KC-135 tanker. It said it would not award extra points for exceeding key performance objectives, and then proceeded to award extra points. It said it wanted to acquire a “medium” tanker to replace its cold war refueling planes, and ended up picking a plane twice as big.
Whatever else this process may have been, it definitely was not transparent. Even now, neither of the competing teams really understands why the competition turned out the way it did. It would be nice to hear from the Air Force about how key tradeoffs were made, because at present it looks like a double standard prevailed in the evaluation of the planes offered by the two teams.
Not too sure EADS McCains is going to be able to pull it off. Will they bill him for their lobbyist’s time on his campaign?
And for the cry babies that have to have everything explained to them…..
“About 90 of men and 88 of women have had oral sex, and 40% of men and 35% of women have had anal sex with an opposite-sex partner.”
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1497778
These are conservative numbers – Kingsley figures are higher.
And with that unpleasantness out of the way, I am out of here.
All of you have a great night and sleep well…… except you conservatives…….
You didn’t answer the question, junior. You still living with your mommy?
And who said that gays participate in anal sex to be gay anyway?
I asked my two closest gay friends, and neither of them participate in anal sex, neither do many gay women.
Hank, you are one of the few people who can pull off apologizing for one lie and telling another lie in the SAME sentence.
“The ACLU is all for freedom of speech, unless of course you believe sodomy is immoral and happen to mention it. Then they consider that a ‘hate crime’.”
Proof please? Jesus WEPT!
And yes, please do go to Hank’s link regarding the ACLU. A wingnut blog. But even at that… it raises the question…
If someone had a foot fetish and killed a woman and stole her shoes, would the shoe store website he jerked off to be responsible?
Woof.
Come on Hank. Yer better than that.
…and as for some ACLU guy being caught with child porn, you might not want to go too far down that road, if ya know what I mean.
Google republican sex scandals and see how many republican operatives have been caught with child porn. One republican elected official, the county treasurer in MY county, is in the crowbar hotel right now for having child porn on his work computer.
Google republican officials + child porn, and see what you get.
One ACLU guy vs. HOW MANY republican child porn fans?
Like I said, you might want to quit while yer ahead on that one.
…and I suppose you wont want to talk about RELIGIOUS leaders who indulge in a little “harmless” kiddy porn?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/seminary.porn.ap/index.html
I did answer the question Hank.
I have not lived with “my mommy” in more than 20 years.
Still working for the wife are you? Answering phones and such?
You did have an opportunity to disrespect me and my mother and my son.
In person instead of here?
We were at Woofstock. YOU spoke to me. I was not seeking contact with you. If you had something to say, you had your chance.
Now we don’t like each other and that’s fine.
You are a compulsive liar and the epitome of everything I find vile in Republicans. And that’s fine too.
But how I am better than you and your son is I have never lied here. And I don’t need to start.
You do quite well degrading yourself here.
Ya know pmom, when anyone asks me what lesbians do in bed… I just tell them “the same things you do, just longer and better.”
That usually shuts them up.
Nathaniel Price,
Are you going to answer my question?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-528/#comment-359871
Nathaniel, WHY are you unable to understand simple facts?
Avery has told many lies.
Dansgaard-Oeschger events are not global warming, and do NOT refute the “concensus”.
Most (probably all) of the scientists Avery lists AGREE with the “concensus”
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/unstoppable-hot-air/
A good “Point-Counterpoint” of Avery’s lies are here,
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/avery-and-singer-unstoppable-hot-air
“Come on Hank. Yer better than that.”
No. He isn’t.
Heh, JR, you know what would REALLY piss off the cons here?
If you and I got married. For the health insurance and pensions and social security survivor benefits of course.
That way they couldnt rag on you about not having health insurance or a retirement plan. Whatever would they do?
You could see all the other women you want. And I would see all the women I want. An OPEN marriage with benefits.
We wouldnt have to live together, sleep together or have babies together. And we wouldnt have to be married in a church.
Hell, you could take MY last name and REALLY make their pea brains hurt! It would be bizzaro world for them, and it would be just LEGAL as hell.
heheheheh. It might be worth it just to watch their heads explode…
Shucks, KFG, I’m glad to know you sleep longer and better than me… Cause I havent slept worth a darn for months!! I think I need lessons!! LOL
Maybe RD could find us a wiccan priestess to perform the ceremony? HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEE…..
I’m kinda liking the upside down shock value of all this!
Your enjoyment is most noticeable!! Hang in there… RD should be able to find what you need… I am not familiar with any wiccan priestesses in this area… Now, if you were in Iowa, or Nebraska…….
“Shucks, KFG, I’m glad to know you sleep longer and better than me…”
Heh Chas! SLEEPING in bed, longer and better, wasnt exactly what I meant! heheheheheheheh.
But some advise from one insomniac to another, Ambien is my friend. I think Rage suffers from insomnia too. Probably some others here as well.
Cant they get on their brooms and ride down here? :)
Maybe you could do the civil ceremony out here at Cedar Bluff?
Ohhh…. wait…. sorry JR. I’m leaving you at the alter.
I WANNA MARRY CEDAR BLUFF LAKE!!!!!!!!!!
See what happens when you start messin’ with marriage?
hee hee hee hee hee heeeeeeeee!
I’m, haveing waaaay too much fun with this.
And the summer peak on June 21 is not far away. A fitting date I think!
I am able to do a civil ceremony… Keep in touch, ok??
Oh yeah, and we could sacrifice a lamb, offer it to the sun, and bbq the thing with mint and tziki sauce on pita bread.
And serve tator salad of course!
yep. I’m liking this whole excuse for a party and the ceremonial taking of taxpayers money through marriage benefits. I mean, since I am a LOT older than JR, he’ll outlive me and get my pensions and SS survivor benefits.
Sweet! your tax dollars at work
But hey, what’s a wedding without an Elvis impersonator? I’m looking in the phone book even as I type…
“Wise men say, Only fools rush in;
But I cant help falling in love with you!!”
“Wise men say, Only fools rush in;
But I cant help falling in love with you!!”
Or as Tina Turner would say:
“What’s love got to do, got to do with it? What’s love but a second hand emotion?”
Junior won’t outlive you kfg, he smokes. He’ll be wheezing and coughing up a lung by 50.
Yea, Tina would be good…
But… but… what does JR have to say about all of this?? LOL
Here ya go KFG and Chas, here’s an oldie song that will stick in your head the rest of the night. :D
Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around
Just what makes that little old ant
Think hell move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, cant
Move a rubber tree plant
But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes
So any time your gettin low
stead of lettin go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant
When troubles call, and your backs to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall
Once there was a silly old ram
Thought hed punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin that dam
cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes
He had high apple pie, in the sky hopes
So any time your feelin bad
stead of feelin sad
Just remember that ram
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam
All problems just a toy balloon
Theyll be bursted soon
Theyre just bound to go pop
Oops there goes another problem kerplop
repeats lyrics…
But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes
So any time your gettin low
stead of lettin go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant
And of course, Frank Sinatra singing the song…
:D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mlsitMRQAdA
Well, I will be down a few days…
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
“But… but… what does JR have to say about all of this?? LOL”
J R is flattered beyond reason and has been fighting off elsewhere and missed this.
Some of you newbies don’t know. KFG was the sweetheart fighter of the blog and wanted and desired by every dem and even some con guys here.
The meetup I organized two years ago? She was the draw and the star.
I’m even honored I get maybe left at the altar for a lake. Anybody else can say that?
Well then, by all means, Congratulations!!
Hee hee hee heeeeeeeee!
Maybe the bushs will let us use their limestone cross at their lake?
I hear it will be vacant after Ellen and Portia use it.
heheheheeehhhheeeee!
And for the record, I’ve never left anyone standing at the alter. I try to keep my word :)
oh, and…
I bet this is the blog’s first proposal?
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
“A TOAST” as they say in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. We can dance to the time warp again!
I wouldnt bet on me outliving JR.
He might smoke, but I’m old and fat with a bad attitude. And I eat red meat, butter and heavy cream four times a day. Not to mention the better living through chemistry I experienced in my misspent youth.
I think I win the death sweeps.
Now, all KFG need do is go to the lake, and give homage to the spirits of the four winds; make an offering of sage, and a burnt offering of sweet grass, in order to make all things ready!! From then on, let the celebrations begin!!
Of course, my departure from planet earth might be delayed. I hear heaven is full, and hell doesnt want me! They’re afraid I’ll take over!
Yeah Chas, and since we’d be in Trego county…
I’d have to find a polka band real quick.
Ein himmel der isss no beer….
And FULL CONTACT FLYING DUTCHMAN!!!!!
But I might be too old for that.
Hey Chas, could you humor my relatives and marry us in German?
Yep. So mote it be!
HEEEEEEEEE!
And JR? I could bring a dowrey to the deal.
I own every landscaping and gardening tool imaginable!
Hey Chas, for communion, could we use tortillas and Uzo? hehehehehehehehehehehehheeh!
I might be able to find a German ceremony, if I looked around a little… not sure… cant do it from memory anymore… :-(
Auf Himmel es gibt kein bier…
German here too KFG.
This is all so sudden!
She out posts me like 5 to 1. I KNOW. I took her on once. Immigration I think.
Yeah. After the appropriate respects were exchanged, she out posted me 3 to 1.
THAT while she was posting 5 other threads.
I get a word in when?
tortillas and uzo?? sure… bread and wine take on many forms… :-D
hehehehe. Well, we speak low German mixed with Russian and English. Kinda like spanglish.
Maybe you could just do it with a “cherman” accent?
This is just too much fun.
“I get a word in when?”
When I SAY so! HEEEEEE
I guess THAT makes it official!
JK
Ja Ja I can do a Cherman axent… Ya Wohl!!
The woman has the fastest fingers AND wit on the planet.
For now, I have to go sleep U Haul comes early in the morning… nite all!!
Heh. Thanks JR. And Chas. And Reg.
This was fun, fun, fun, and my daddy didnt take the tbird away!
Sigh, well, the storms have passed, so I guess I better join half of washington dc and take my ambien and hit the hay.
Isnt this more fun than ten thousand posts of “screw you, no screw YOU”?
Good night Chas. Good night JR. Good night Reg.
And john boy, and mary ellen, and grandpa walton…
Good night kfg. Thanks for the lift.
I’ll be at your wedding you know. No I won’t be lucky enough to stand with you.
But you can bet I will stand for you.
I love you dearly my big/little sister.
Back at ya JR.
God damn it! I take one lousy night off to watch a movie (Unforgiven – one of the best Westerns ever done) and look what happens…………….
Ms. Farmgrrl is getting hitched with J R and I missed all of that.
Shoot!
And I thought I was in the running to win her hand.
Damn.
Well, I will be happy to attend the ceremony – assuming that Obama supporters are allowed – and I would be thrilled to whip up some ribs for the occasion.
Damn, I would even give away the bride.
Hee hee hee Clark!
Sorry, but you’ll have to take a number and stand in line. There are LOTS of people who’d like to get rid of me, er, give me away!
JR is my dear friend. But we could have a “sham” of a marriage for the financial benefits, and it would be perfectly legal.
But a REAL marriage between my girlfriend and I?
Too dangerous.
And there you have wingnut logic regarding the “sanctity” of marriage!
“Isnt this more fun than ten thousand posts of “screw you, no screw YOU”?
Hehehehehh.
Google Sandra Valls. She’s one of the funniest comics in the world.
She says the difference between gay women and straight women is…
Straight girls wear “F me” shoes.
Lesbians wear “F YOU” shoes!
heheheheheheheheh!