Open thread 5/27

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  1. Apophis
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Prediction: ……old man price will soon be posting his usual science-denier garbage here about how global climate change is NOT occurring.

    Be prepared for numerous links to websites from organizations that cannot provide peer reviewed research!

  2. Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Just read bush, with the lowest rating of any pres. since polling began, is still a big party fund raiser. He’ll be holding private, closed to the media, events though.
    It’s little wonder, his base, and those helped most by him are the elite rich.

  3. EconoMyst
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Today starts the countdown to the weekend of infamous mail or DHL watch of 3 years ago.

    As a reminder, those with the former obtained an offer and their ‘indenture’ papers that needed to be brought back, signed, to work on the following Monday or else.

    Those with the DHL delivery were ousted and had their neighbors all witness the event; ostensibly, this maneuver by the DHLer was meant to lessen the embarrassment of ejection.

    And, not all (perhaps, only a few) of the DHLees were poor performers.

    So many stories remain to be told.

  4. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Well here’s some news that is bound to warm the cockles of your heart…………

    “Consumer confidence falls to near 16-year low”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24839783/

    “The May reading marks the fifth straight month of decline and is the lowest since the index registered 54.6 in October 1992.”

    And wasn’t someone (OKObserver) just saying that the economy is strong?

    Dang.

  5. Predestined
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    EconoMyst,

    What the heck are you talking about?

  6. lindainks55
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    This is a good one! For those who haven’t read the daily comics:

    http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/

  7. HLP
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Good morning Apophis!

    Sorry I’m late, I’m on the road today on the way back from a herding clinic. Can’t always get WiFi.

    Since you don’t seem to be smart enough to make an intelligent comment on the science of my posts I’ll keep it political today:

    THE WARMISTS ARE NOW FAILING AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL

    It has now got to the point where the politicians have got to make hard decisions to back their big Greenie talk but they can’t face it, knowing how the voters will respond to the costs involved. So they are just waffling. Nettles are remain ungrasped. The recent huge turn by the voters against the very Green British government is no doubt top of mind for many. Amusing, though, that the British government is being blamed for something it didn’t do (increased fuel prices) rather than things it did do (increased electricity costs, for instance). Three recent reports below:

    G8 TALKS

    Environment ministers from the world’s top industrial powers called Monday for more effort to halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, but little headway was seen in setting more immediate goals. Ministers from the Group of Eight held three days of talks here in a bid to set the tone for a summit involving the G8 leaders, which opens July 7 in the northern Japanese resort of Toyako and is expected to focus on climate change.

    The ministers in a statement said they hoped the summit would “go beyond” the agreement set by last year’s summit in Germany to “seriously consider” halving the world’s output of greenhouse gases by 2050. But to the dismay of some, the talks in the Japanese city of Kobe did not signal a direction on the more immediate goal — coming up with commitments on slashing greenhouse gas emissions once Kyoto’s obligations expire in 2012.

    More than 180 countries agreed in December on the Indonesian island of Bali to reach a post-Kyoto deal at a conference in late 2009 in Copenhagen. “I think it’s very clear that without a mid-term target, a mandatory mid-term target for developed countries, it’s going to be very complicated to get an agreement in Copenhagen,” said Matthias Machnig, Germany’s secretary of state for the environment.

    But Japan’s Environment Minister Ichiro Kamoshita defended the outcome of the meeting here, saying that all sides had shown a “strong will” to move forward with an agreement. “In terms of mid-term targets, that is an issue negotiated at multinational meetings,” Kamoshita told reporters. “This environmental meeting was meaningful in accelerating the efforts by developed countries and raising the momentum,” he said.

    GERMAMY

    Part two of Chancellor Merkel’s ambitious package of measures aimed at reducing German greenhouse gas emissions may be in trouble. Originally set for passage on Tuesday, many of the law proposals are under attack. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has managed to develop quite a reputation on the international stage for her efforts to combat climate change. Back home in Germany, however, important pieces of her climate protection package threaten to fall through.

    On Friday, with just days to go before the cabinet planned approve a second package of environmental laws, the item was suddenly removed from the Tuesday agenda. It now won’t be considered by the Merkel government until the middle of June. And on Saturday, a number of dailies indicate that the problems facing the proposed measures are many.

    Perhaps most serious are disagreements regarding a proposal to base automobile registration and tax fees on vehicle CO2 emissions instead of, as has been the practice until now, on engine size. Such a change was agreed upon last December, when the government pushed through its first major package of laws aimed at reducing German CO2 emissions. The Economics Ministry under Michael Glos made it clear that the goal must be that of “preventing higher taxes on automobiles” in Germany. The point of the law was to provide a financial incentive for Germans to buy cars that emit less greenhouse gases.

    Disagreement, however, is also rampant when it comes to rules relating to the remodelling of buildings and the expansion of Germany’s power line network. A proposal to tie truck tolls to the amount of CO2 emitted by the vehicles has also run into difficulties.

    Merkel’s government has committed to reducing Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent relative to 1990 levels by 2020. Last December, her cabinet approved a package of laws, representing a 3.3 billion euro commitment, designed to encourage businesses to conserve energy and to expand Germany’s reliance on renewable energy sources. A recent study commissioned by the Green Party, however, has found that Merkel’s goals could be unrealistic. The study warned that a reduction of just 28 percent is achievable.

  8. Pedant
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Predestined
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
    EconoMyst,

    What the heck are you talking about?

    A bit of hardball employee relations. Namely, the buyout of Boeing Commercial by Onex: who survived and who didn’t.

    The DHL packets were sent by Boeing (or was it Onex?) informing Boeing Commercial machinists in Wichita which of them had not secured job offers from Onex, I believe. I believe the distribution method of every worker’s message was designed to (1) make Onex appear to be a caring potential employee, and (2) shame and drive away permanently those machinists Boeing didn’t want to employ. At any rate, Onex contacted the machinists it wanted to keep discreetly via USPS.

    For those without job offers, the DHL special delivery — in broad daylight, in full knowledge of the meaning and in full view of family and neighbors — was just a double whammy of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s scarlet letter variety (ie, an extra special helping of perceived shame delivered in the proverbial public square, to go along with the loss of a very good job).

  9. SolDevVB
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    `American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007′
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3835:

    Go Ron Paul !!!

    (1) Unchecked power by any branch leads to oppressive transgressions on individual freedoms and ill-considered government policies.

    (2) The Founding Fathers enshrined checks and balances in the Constitution to protect against government abuses to derail ill-conceived domestic or foreign endeavors.

    (3) Checks and balances make the Nation safer by preventing abuses that would be exploited by Al Qaeda to boost terrorist recruitment, would deter foreign governments from cooperating in defeating international terrorism, and would make the American people reluctant to support aggressive counter-terrorism measures.

    (4) Checks and balances have withered since 9/11 and an alarming concentration of power has been accumulated in the presidency based on hyper-inflated fears of international terrorism and a desire permanently to alter the equilibrium of power between the three branches of government.

    (5) The unprecedented constitutional powers claimed by the President since 9/11 subtracted national security and have been asserted for non-national security purposes.

    (6) Experience demonstrates that global terrorism can be thwarted, deterred, and punished through muscular application of law enforcement measures and prosecutions in Federal civilian courts in lieu of military commissions or military law.

    (7) Congressional oversight of the executive branch is necessary to prevent secret government, which undermines self-government and invites lawlessness and maladministration.

    (8) The post-9/11 challenges to checks and balances are unique in the Nation’s history because the war on global terrorism has no discernable end.

    (b) Purpose- The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 is intended to restore the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.

  10. HLP
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    BRITAIN

    Anger over Gordon Brown’s failure to deal with rising fuel prices will boil over tomorrow in the first major new protest against sky-high petrol and diesel costs. Hundreds of truckers will descend on the capital for a mass rally to draw attention to a crisis that is hurting millions of motorists. With fuel prices going up every day, protesters will demand the Prime Minister cuts duty after having raked in millions in additional tax.

    In scenes reminiscent of the 2000 fuel protests, demonstrators will gather at Marble Arch before a delegation marches on Downing Street to demand talks with Mr Brown. They hope to exploit his vulnerability in the wake of Labour’s meltdown in the local elections and last week’s humiliating by-election defeat in Crewe.

    Motorists are already facing record fuel prices after crude oil last week hit 135 US dollars a barrel – its highest ever level. The pressure on motorists is underlined by a study showing that the cost of fuel for a typical bank holiday weekend away has soared by up to 74 per cent in just five years.

  11. Predestined
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Pendant. I couldn’t make heads or tails of what EconoMyst was saying. Not that I completely understand now, except that workers were screwed, but I knew that when the buyout happened.

  12. HLP
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    SURPRISE, SURPRISE: BILLIONS WASTED ON UN CLIMATE PROGRAMME

    Billions of pounds are being wasted in paying industries in developing countries to reduce climate change emissions, according to two analyses of the UN’s carbon offsetting programme. Leading academics and watchdog groups allege that the UN’s main offset fund is being routinely abused by chemical, wind, gas and hydro companies who are claiming emission reduction credits for projects that should not qualify. The result is that no genuine pollution cuts are being made, undermining assurances by the UK government and others that carbon markets are dramatically reducing greenhouse gases, the researchers say.

    The criticism centres on the UN’s clean development mechanism (CDM), an international system established by the Kyoto process that allows rich countries to meet emissions targets by funding clean energy projects in developing nations.

    Credits from the project are being bought by European companies and governments who are unable to meet their carbon reduction targets. The market for CDM credits is growing fast. At present it is worth nearly $20bn a year, but this is expected to grow to over $100bn within four years. More than 1,000 projects have so far been approved, and 2,000 more are making their way through the process.

    A working paper from two senior Stanford University academics examined more than 3,000 projects applying for or already granted up to $10bn of credits from the UN’s CDM funds over the next four years, and concluded that the majority should not be considered for assistance. “They would be built anyway,” says David Victor, law professor at the Californian university. “It looks like between one and two thirds of all the total CDM offsets do not represent actual emission cuts.”

  13. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    And for those that say we have to “protect” Israel……..

    “Carter says Israel has 150 nukes, paper reports”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24838346/

    And before you slam the article because it quotes Jimmy Carter…………….

    “Most estimates, many based on evidence leaked in 1986 by Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu, put the number of Israeli nuclear weapons at between 100 and 200. But other experts have said the number is as low as 60 or as high as 400.”

    Seems to me that Israel can take care of herself just fine.

  14. Predestined
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Ben,

    If that was your comment on the boathouse article, you were spot on! And if it wasn’t, I still agree 100%.

  15. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    And from the Department of WTF?!?!

    “Appeasement? Bush straddles line with Sudan”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24833156/

    “Bush has spoken to or exchanged letters with Bashir on numerous occasions, underscoring how White House policy has departed from his pointed public call to shun talks with radical tyrants and dictators.”

    “Bush’s Sudan policy has relied more heavily on diplomacy than that of the Clinton administration, which tried to isolate Sudan because of its ties to Osama bin Laden”

    And Bush had the gall to suggest that some (Obama) would appease tyrants, evoking the Neville Chamberlain agreement with Hitler?

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Bush.

  16. Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Pre – yep, that was me. I find it reprehensible that the City is destroying it.

  17. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    I’m thinking if this article is true, food prices are going to skyrocket. And it wont be the fault of farmers or ethanol.

    http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=grainmarkets&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc193f98a2011a2ad95f5b09ce

  18. SolDevVB
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    South American Leaders Form Regional Bloc

    Twelve South American nations have signed an agreement to increase political and economic ties. On Friday, leaders signed a treaty forming the South American Union of Nations, modeled partly on the European Union. Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said the grouping would increase regional integration.

    Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva: “What seemed impossible happened. To the eyes of the skeptical, South America is today more integrated than ever, because we have just approved by unanimity the treaty of integration, the treaty of UNASUR.”

    The agreement falls short of plans to merge regional trading blocs. But ongoing proposals include the creation of a South American defense council.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/27/headlines

    NWO anyone?

  19. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    “I’m thinking if this article is true, food prices are going to skyrocket.”

    You can walk down the aisles at Dillon’s and watch the prices go up – it is staggering. You have to shop wisely just to keep your family’s food bill reasonable.

    Last week, Dillon’s had a sale on chicken breasts – three pounds for $5.61. Our freezer is now stuffed with bags of frozen chicken.

    I fear that this recession is going to be a long, deep slog. Up thread I posted an article about the consumer confidence index being it’s lowest in sixteen years.

    As they say, it ain’t looking good for the good guys.

  20. RightAngle
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    The Boathouse may be the prime example why the wealthy do not give more in donations to the city of Wichita. How would you like giving millions of dollars for a building and then the city shuts it down and lets it rot? :roll:

  21. Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Hehe, WSClark says “recession.”

    Of course it is a recession to us who live in the middle class in the real world.

    But since gasoline costs and food costs are almost nothing to someone who makes a million a year and more, the people that matter don’t see a recession.

    That includes practically anyone interviewed a “money talk” show on the corporate media and all the talking heads–lib or con–you can pick.

    If the filthy, stinking rich aren’t hurting, hey! there’s no problem!

  22. Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Of course, Right Angle, the reason Koch gave it to the city was for a tax write off because he couldn’t afford (or didn’t want to pay) the upkeep himself.

    The City shouldn’t accept gifts of brick and mortar unless the costs to maintain that structure is also included in the gift.

  23. littlejohn
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Why is the one thread, I’ll not mention it, being filled with spam? I guess I am thiankful that it is mostly staying on the one thread, allowing me to not look at it, but why is it there in the first place? Especially after the registration requirement.

  24. Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9352923

    Large California Episcopal Church to marry gays in religious ceremony.

  25. Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Good question, LJ, and easy answer:

    no oversight of the WEBlog by monitors.

    The Eagle would never run this porno-spam, gambling-spam in its printed paper. On-line gambling is illegal in the US even.

    Yet, they let it stand on their blogsite.

    Doesn’t make sense . . .

  26. Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Capn – the Boathouse could have been maintained at no cost to the City. There was a group who wanted to do that. Unfortunately the WaterWalk developers covet that prime piece of land for commercial development. The City can’t outright ‘give’ it to them with the Boathouse there as a viable alternative; however if they can find an excuse to tear it down they can proceed.

  27. American_Way
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    What a bunch of whiners – “Oh those nasty rich people!”

    (sniffle, sniffle)

    “I am hurting, so those nasty rich people, who are better off than me should be a hurtin’ too!”

    (wiping tears)

    “I mean, just because I was not rich and wealthy, why should I suffer – and them not?”

    “I’m just a lowly peasant (piss ant)”

    END OF CRY

  28. RightAngle
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Back when they were raising money for the Boathouse, my wife and I donated sufficient enough money for our names to be included on a placard on the West Wall on the first floor. I don?t know if it is still there but I can tell you one thing, That will be the last time my family will donate to anything that the city is involved in.

  29. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    52% to 35%, and for 23 delegates.

    ‘Obama Tops Montana Poll’
    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7011074077

  30. Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    RA – we often lock horns but on this we are in agreement. The City’s actions are inexcusable.

  31. Nathaniel
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    It is a little early to start celebrating an Obama victory.

    He could still be assassinatied, just as Hilary.

  32. SolDevVB
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    PITTSBURGH — While the parents of Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth remembered their son on Memorial Day, military contractor KBR was calling for a judge to throw out their lawsuit over his death, and U.S. Rep. Jason Altmire said an investigation is needed.

    Maseth, of Shaler Township, is one of more than a dozen American solders killed by electrocution in Iraq. He died in January while taking a shower at a base.

    According to the allegations in Maseth’s parents’ lawsuit, military contractor KBR knew about hazardous, faulty electrical systems, but didn’t fix those things and didn’t warn soldiers.

    http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/16396664/detail.html

  33. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Editors,
    There is a very simplistic loop-hole in your log-in. This simple loop hole provides for easy “nic switching”. You have my email address if you want to know where it is.

    Thank You.

  34. RightAngle
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    bth
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink
    RA – we often lock horns but on this we are in agreement. The City’s actions are inexcusable.
    ===========================================
    Ben, you just don’t want to admit it but we voted together more than not, back on council 5. I even got in trouble in backing you for a position as I recall back then.

  35. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Hank Price posted May 27, 2008 at 9:48 am

    “Since you don’t seem to be smart enough to make an intelligent comment on the science of my posts I’ll keep it political today:”

    Here is one of Hank Price’s climate(sic) scientists,

    http://www.explosionexpert.com/pages/1/index.htm
    “Dr. Hertzberg is an internationally recognized expert on combustion, flames, explosions, and fire research with over 100 publications in those areas.”

    Here are two climate scientists, out of a very large group, who disagree with Hertzburg (and Hank Price).

    Dr. James E. Hansen
    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/

    CLAUDE LORIUS
    http://www.cnrs.fr/cw/en/pres/compress/medailleOr2002/Page02.html

  36. Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    McCain must love this, European countries are going to finance airbus competing model to Boeing’s 787. McCain, you gotta love him!
    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINL273605320080527?rpc=44

  37. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    “He could still be assassinatied, just as Hilary.”

    Only in your dreams.

  38. Posted May 27, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Very true RA. It’s funny how that works – get to a specific and away from labels …

    Remember Roger Grund? Ran against Glickman eons ago? A “right-winger” of sorts. He and I used to get together over coffee and dissect issues. Found more agreement than disagreement. Especially on municipal issues. It used to really bother Bob Knight when he would see Roger and I show up together at a City Council meeting. We would get them in a crossfire. :)

  39. American
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    “Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:15 am | Permalink
    Just read bush, with the lowest rating of any pres. since polling began, is still a big party fund raiser. He’ll be holding private, closed to the media, events though.
    It’s little wonder, his base, and those helped most by him are the elite rich.”

    Which party has more “elite rich” money contributed to it?

  40. HLP
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Good afternoon Cosmos!

    You obviously missed the point of my posts today. They were political commentary. Political.

    Your side of the argument seems to be in a lot of trouble politically. People are starting to see through all of the ’sky-is-falling-AGW-BS’. They’re starting to realize how much it’s going to cost to try insanely stupid things to stop GW.

    Sooner or later to win back the day you’re going to have to convince people of three basic things:

    The earth is actually . . . well, . . . warming!

    Man is actually . . . well, . . . to blame!

    Man can do something about it without actually returning to the stone age.

    This is going to become increasingly harder for your side to do, because:

    The earth is actually . . . well, . . . COOLING!

    Man is no more to blame than . . . well, . . . any other DAMN SPECIES ON THE PLANET!

    Finally, the many factors that control and regulate our climate are so complex that . . . well, . . . man doesn’t and never will HAVE A CLUE!

  41. American
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    “Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
    McCain must love this, European countries are going to finance airbus competing model to Boeing’s 787. McCain, you gotta love him!
    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINL273605320080527?rpc=44

    If you look closely at this point in time, Airbus is not doing so good:

    http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/413252.html

  42. American
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    I will let you decide for yourself:

    Report: Jimmy Carter Says Israel Has 150 Nuclear Weapons

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,358152,00.html

    Tuesday, May 27, 2008

    AP

    LONDON — Former President Jimmy Carter caused a stir over the weekend when he claimed that Israel possesses a nuclear arsenal of 150 weapons.

    While experts have long maintained Israel has a nuclear arsenal, the Jewish state has refused to confirm or deny it.

    Most estimates, many based on evidence leaked in 1986 by Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu, put the number of Israeli nuclear weapons at between 100 and 200. But other experts have said the number is as low as 60 or as high as 400.

    It was unclear from a report of Carter’s comments — made on Sunday and reported Monday in the Times of London — whether the former Democratic president was citing those estimates, offering his own independent assessment or drawing on U.S. intelligence he would have had access to as president.

    U.S. officials have generally avoided the issue of Israel’s nuclear status, although during a 2006 Senate confirmation hearing Secretary of Defense Robert Gates confirmed that Israel was a nuclear power.

    The Times said Carter made the comment Sunday while at the Hay-on-Wye literary festival on the border between England and Wales. He was discussing Iran, and the difficulty it would have in building a secret nuclear arsenal, when he mentioned the Israeli weapons, the paper said.

    Former Israeli military Intelligence chief retired Maj. Gen. Aharon Ze’evi Farkash warned that Carter’s comments could be used by Iran to push its nuclear development.

    “[Carter] is not the first and he won’t be the last to talk about this,” Farkash said in an interview Monday with Israel Radio. “It would seem that in [Carter's] latest visit to the region, he was so hurt [by the political establishment shunning him] that he saw fit to say things which I think weren’t that responsible.

    “He was a president a long time ago, and these kinds of things could do damage, but on the other hand, it could enhance the deterrent,” Farkash said, adding that “some of our ‘less good’ friends, could use these claims against us.”

    The Associated Press and Jerusalem Post contributed to this report.

  43. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    So American, why, since Israel has such firepower, why do we need to protect her?

    (I posted the same info up thread, but from a MSM source.)

    And……………….

    “Former Israeli military Intelligence chief retired Maj. Gen. Aharon Ze’evi Farkash warned that Carter’s comments could be used by Iran to push its nuclear development.”

    It has been known for over two decades that Israel has nuclear weapons – why would it make a difference now?

  44. FilmFan
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    I’ve got something else to add to my post of yesterday: Do not – I repeat, DO NOT – buy off-brand liquor that’s hugely discounted.

    I’m still recovering today – my breathing over the weekend was slow and shallow – although I had no chest pains – only the hangover from Hades.

    I stood at the mirror at 4:30 a.m. this morning to get ready to go to work – and I darned near yelped with horror at my own reflection – something I haven’t done since early 1973. My skin was sallow – there were dark circles under my eyes, and I just generally looked like a s–t-salad-souffle with a crapbrulee frosting – and it scared the beejeezusth out of me.

    I’m sure that nice gentleman at the liquor store wasn’t trying to off Big Bertha. He was probably trying to get this garbage off the shelves. Then again, he spoke Mandarin – this chick speaks Shakespearean – so we probably didn’t communicate very well.

    I hope I’ll be back to normal by tomorrow mornin’ – I don’t like seeing Howard Stern’s diseased afterbirth in the mirror.

    Learn from me, folks (even you right-wing overlords who think me the spawn of satan….): Don’t buy “Viaka” vodka that costs very little.

    ‘Cause the hangover reeks the rancid one – an awful, awful lot.

  45. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Oh, darn, WEBlog deleted all the really sweet posts from McCluer directed at me last night – and my replies.

    Just for shits and grins – Regular is trained to kill and suggested that I would never know what hit me if we were to meet.

    But, I still invited him to our barbecue this weekend…………

    ………………for my world famous ribs and ‘tater salad.

  46. American
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    We are their ally WS, and there is more to it than using nukes.

  47. American
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    Just say no to alcohol.

    That’s the trick.

  48. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    “We are their ally WS, and there is more to it than using nukes.”

    And Israel is by far – without a doubt – the most powerful military force in the Middle East.

    Why can’t they just take care of themselves?

    And what about the stupid comment regarding Iran?

    Damn, EVERYONE has known for decades that Israel has “the bomb.”

  49. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    From the overwhelming spammer that have infected the blog……

    “Young Girls Young Girl Models Young Puffy Nipple”

    Okay, I have been around the block a time or two, but what is a “Young Puffy Nipple” and why would that appeal to anyone?

    Just my opinion, but this spam needs to stop……

  50. WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    And pardon me if anyone was offended by my commentary previously.

  51. Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    okobserver
    Posted May 26, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink
    Pope if you paid no taxes this year but had W2 wages you either a) made such a small amount of money you owed none b) the taxes were taken out of your check and you didn’t recognize them (suta, futa) c) you really don’t have a job and live on the street and therefore didn’t have to file.
    ==============================================

    I have no idea who Pope is, but this post is wrong… If Pope had Scuedule C income, none of the above is correct.

  52. parkay
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Nebraska Planned Parenthood and their abortionist quack Meryl Severson have settled a lawsuit filed by a 40-year-old Nebraska mother after a botched August, 2007 abortion at 8 to 10 weeks gestation in Lincoln, NE that resulted in the perforating of her uterus with a 3-centimeter gash and a severe loss of blood. During the abortion, three Planned Parenthood employees held the mother down while Severson completed the abortion, after refusing the mother’s request to stop because of the severe pain caused by the perforation of her uterus. The mother then experienced more severe pain, severe bleeding, and three seizures. The botched abortion would have been fatal but for an emergency hysterectomy at BryanLGH Medical Center East. The terms of the settlement are confidential, and of course, Planned Parenthood admits no fault.
    Criminal abortionist quack Severson had previously resigned from the University of Nebraska Medical Center in March 2001 after committing an illegal abortion there in 2000. He subsequently joined Planned Parenthood as one of their quacks committing contract exterminations in Lincoln, Sioux City and Council Bluffs, and, of course, is still employed by Planned Parenthood abortion mills.
    - – -

    Obamanation probably made a Freudian slip in referring to the Auschwitz death camp in Poland rather than the Buchenwald death camp in Germany that he now says was liberated by his great uncle, Charlie Payne, of the 89th Infantry Division, during World War II. The Auschwitz Museum still preserves piles of baby shoes taken from tiny Jew victims being exterminated, because the shoes might have been worth something. Neither the Nazis nor Obamanation, an ardent supporter of live birth abortion, thought that unwanted babies were worth anything.
    Obamnation still fully expects to overturn federal laws that have criminalized live birth and partial birth abortions, so as to increase abortion mill profits, a cash cow for Democrats.

  53. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hank Price,

    Actually, there was more “cooling” in the 1980’s and 1990’s than recently.

    Do you know anyone who can read graphs? You should ask them to read and explain these to you,

    http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-7yr.jpg
    http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg

    ENSO, large volcanic eruptions, and other natural factors cause short-term temperature fluctuations.

    Human-caused global warming is causing a long-term warming trend.

    Political policies do not refute the science of AGW.

    Earth’s climate does not care, or respond to human politics.

    And Hank… you do not discuss “science” here. You just copy/paste stuff you found on Drudge or somewhere, and disappear.

    Your Hertzberg post yesterday got it wrong.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-526/#comment-357390
    ‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)‘
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2

  54. LR2
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Scott McClellan Whacks Bush – White House

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10649.html

  55. Political_mama
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Yeah and the Bush apologists will now beat up McClellan. They just keep dropping like flies, but you won’t get admission out of these nuts.

  56. Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Looks like McClellan is now saying what many have said all along… it was all smoke and mirrors, and white house dog and pony show… What a horriffic mess Bush and co. have made out of the once honorable office of POTUS…

    how sad

  57. Boxlock
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080527/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_auschwitz_dc_1

    This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. He has make so many mistakes it is obvious he has no knowledge of American history, the Constitution, or how to run a country.

  58. Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    So, he mixed up a concentration camp… my dad was in on the mop up of Dachau… he said it made him sick for weeks just to think about what he had seen… and he hadnt seen the worst of it!!

  59. Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s obvious point is that such a thing is something we cannot ever allow to happen again!!

  60. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    #
    “WSClark
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    From the overwhelming spammer that have infected the blog……

    “Young Girls Young Girl Models Young Puffy Nipple”

    Okay, I have been around the block a time or two, but what is a “Young Puffy Nipple” and why would that appeal to anyone?

    Just my opinion, but this spam needs to stop……”
    ———-
    I agree Clark, I have asked the editors to contact me. I have found a loop-hole in the login. I posted this above. I am curious to see if they really monitor the Blog at all.

  61. Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Amazing, I didn’t see the inevitable ” He has a book to sell” yet!

  62. Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Looks like McClellan in just affirming what many of us knew or suspected all along.

  63. Phantom
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    The liberal media did fail America, I’d thought the media had it together during watergate, what happened? If it had just been FOX, that would be one thing, but it was the MSM!

  64. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” sounds like the guy who gets all worked up because his grandfather died at Auschwitz; seems Gramps fell out of a guard tower.

  65. CF2K
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Boxlick,

    Yeah, EVERY citizen of the United States knows that it was the Soviet Army who liberated Auschwitz-Birkeneau, and that the Americans liberated Buchenwald. I bet YOU knew it prior to reading it on the internets as well, Boxlick.

    As for who’s “ignorant” about “how to run a country,” well, JESUS. Considering the Doofus-In-Chief installed by the Supreme Court, and considering the know-nothing Fly Boy who thinks the Sunni are Shia and vice-versa, it’s pretty ludicrous to see an ignoramus like YOU, Boxlick, calling out anybody for not knowing what they don’t know.

    Here’s a test of YOUR knowledge, Boxlick: did George Bush’s grandfather COLLABORATE with Nazis prior to and during W.W.II? YOU BET he did.

    “George Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
    The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

    His business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

    The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator’s action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. ”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

    So, Boxlick, let’s review:

    -Barack Obama’s grandfather helped to liberate the Nazi concentration camp Buchenwald

    -George Bush’s grandfather helped to fund the Nazi war machine, and continued to do so until 1942

    You evidently have no problem with the second one, but lots of problems with the first. And then there’s the real kicker:

    -Barack Obama, one time, said “Auschwitz” when he should have said “Buchenwald”

    -John McCain, repeatedly, said “Sunni” when he should have said “Shia”

    That you regard the first and not the second as a disqualifier for the Presidency, Boxlicker, shows how unfit YOU are to be making any sort of judgment about who does or doesn’t “know what they’re talking about.”

  66. BlueJay
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Obama makes an easily expolitable and open to interpretation gaffe….

    What to do?

    What to do?

    I think I’ll just let it lay.

  67. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    how does what one man’s grandfather did apply to the grandson?

  68. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    My grandfather was a horse thief…that doesn’t make me a horse thief.

  69. Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Remember that the next time some reich winger goes off on a toot about obama’s grand dad in Africa… eh??

  70. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Chas, I look at the man/woman and their actions, not their relatives.

  71. CF2K
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    EXACTLY. What do Wingnuts EVER do but argue guilt by association?

  72. Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Exactly CF

  73. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    CF2K (C3P0), you brought up Prescott Bush. So what was your point about “guilt by association” again?

  74. CF2K
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    ANTI,

    George Bush’s own action made it an issue. He is the logical extension of his grandfather’s ideological commitments.

  75. Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Watch out CF — Now the Trolling starts!!

  76. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    #
    CF2K
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    EXACTLY. What do Wingnuts EVER do but argue guilt by association?
    ———
    #
    CF2K
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    ANTI,

    George Bush’s own action made it an issue. He is the logical extension of his grandfather’s ideological commitments.
    ——
    Yeah, I understand…..wingnuts….(Left Mind)

  77. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    CF2K, I don’t agree with bush on many many things, but your logic is fuk’d.

  78. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    CF2K,
    So then Obama is an extension of his run away radical Islamic father and all that was his father’s beliefs?

  79. ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Evidently the left thinks I have Roach Spray and has left. Sorry to disappoint you all.

  80. Posted May 28, 2008 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Amazing how many troll nics were gone from open thread today!!

  81. Posted May 28, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    GOOD NIGHT; GOOD LUCK; GOD BLESS –
    WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE GOD TO BE!!

    BLESSINGS ALL!!

    BLESSINGS ON WEBLOG!!

  82. Boxlock
    Posted May 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted May 27, 2008 at 11:29 pm |
    “CF2K (C3P0), you brought up Prescott Bush. So what was your point about “guilt by association” again?”

    Exactly ANTI, but 2FCK’ed is to dense to ever even begin to get it. What a nitwit.