Open thread 5/23

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148 Comments

  1. KansasNative
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    The R-evolution will be complete on 12-21-12. It only happens once every 26000 years.

  2. littlejohn
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Hey Ksfarmgrrl-

    Hope you are okay after the storms out your way last night!

  3. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    It’s a dirty job, but somebody has to do it:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=677009&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

  4. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    “It only happens once every 26000 years.”

    ————–

    Jupiter aligns with Mars?

    Dick Cheney smiles?

    Weather forecasters nail the “week ahead”?

    Remodeling contractor arrives on time?

    Chas admits he was wrong?

  5. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Chas was wrong? Oh my gosh!

  6. Predestined
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Way to go, outlander! Let’s start with the personal attacks nice and early today, so we can fill up every bit of white space on the blog with them. See how well American follows along?

  7. annie_moose
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    ” I have seen the future…..”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlqOvxS28Vg

  8. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

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    Predestined
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    All the rest of the “benefits, pains and pleasure of marriage” is PERSONAL, INDIVIDUAL and certainly worthy of personal, individual pursuit. But traditional man/woman marriage benefits society in the opportunity of growth AND stability for children and family, thereby benefiting society making it worthy of benefits.

    OMG What a load of BS. Is this why so many marriages end in divorce? Can only a man AND a woman raise a child? Because if that’s true, you’d better make divorce and DEATH illegal.

    Stop legislating morality. Gay marriage has not, does not, and never will affect you or your pitiful marriage. Or are you afraid they’ll prove they’re better at it than you?
    ———————-

    You mean like this personal attack that you just posted, Presdestined? Chuckle…

  9. Phantom
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Boeing KC-767 Tanker: Capability Where it Counts
    Thursday May 22, 1:08 pm ET

    ST. LOUIS, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — With advantages identified by the U.S. Air Force in the areas of mission capability, survivability, aerial refueling technology, operational utility and ability to respond to real-world mission scenarios, the Boeing (NYSE: BA – News) KC-767 is the best tanker for the future conflicts anticipated by the U.S. Defense Department.
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    “U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates recently stated that the wars of the future will resemble the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Mark McGraw, vice president, Boeing Tanker Programs. “Therefore it follows that the KC-767 tanker is the ideal plane for future conflicts. It has the ability to operate out of smaller forward airfields to efficiently and effectively serve our warfighters, take advantage of existing infrastructure close to expected hot spots and do it all with a more capable, lower-cost, lower-risk, more survivable tanker.”

    Secretary Gates said in a speech earlier this month that, “the kind of capabilities we will most likely need in the years ahead will often resemble the kinds of capabilities we need today.” He added that, “any major weapons program, in order to remain viable, will have to show some utility and relevance to the kind of irregular campaigns that … are most likely to engage America’s military in the coming decades.”

    A costlier, riskier tanker put forth by the team of Northrop Grumman and the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) was chosen by the Air Force Feb. 29 as the replacement for the aging fleet of medium-sized KC-135s that met U.S. military requirements through the Cold War, Vietnam and Desert Storm. The same aircraft are providing aerial refueling to American and allied forces today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The Air Force Request for Proposals seemed to call for a medium-sized tanker designed to meet the unique needs of today’s expeditionary Air Force. During the evaluation of the two offerings, 98 positive discriminators, or strengths, were identified for the KC-767 compared to 30 for the Airbus A330-based plane.

    “The Boeing KC-767 offered much more in terms of capability for bringing the right number of right-sized planes and the right amount of fuel to the fight,” McGraw said. “The top 10 strengths of the KC-767 drive home the superiority of the Boeing plane for this mission.”

    According to the KC-X evaluation, top discriminators in the areas of capability, aerial refueling technology, real-world operations, survivability, operational utility and secondary mission capability include:

    — The ability to refuel multiple types of aircraft, including the V-22
    Osprey tiltrotor aircraft
    — Ability to isolate, transport and off-load multiple fuel types
    — Less fuel burned, less foreign bases required and less sensitive to
    geo-political base denials in operational scenarios
    — Fuel tank and ballistic threat protection
    — Aerial refueling operator station
    — Ability to carry higher weight cargo on the main deck
    — Ability to carry hazardous material on the main deck
    — Aeromedical crew displays and the ability to generate therapeutic
    patient oxygen
    — Advanced communication and navigation capabilities and future growth
    potential

    A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world’s largest space and defense businesses specializing in innovative and capabilities-driven customer solutions. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $32.1 billion business with 71,000 employees worldwide.

  10. Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    The new CON line seems to be to make all their political stances into “religious beliefs” so you can’t attack their politics without attacking their “beliefs.”

    Should Israel be able to bulldoze Palestine houses, imprison Palestinians at will, build new settlements in violation of about a dozen UN resolutions (the same kind of resolutions that Bush claimed justified an invasion of Iraq), and reduce Palestinians to servitude in their own country?

    Answer: don’t insult my religion, whine the CONs.

    When you keep praying on the street corners, Pharisee, we will keep pointing out your cynical use of “religion.”

  11. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    KansasNative has been watching the History Channel.

  12. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
    “It only happens once every 26000 years.”

    Chas admits he was wrong?
    ————————————————-

    Outlander, you surely must be wrong about Chas.

  13. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    If Chas talks in the woods, and there is no one there to hear him, is he still wrong?

  14. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Oh my Max, now your flaming!!!(Chas Standard)

    Not only that, you are an Outlander bigotted based homophobe, reich wing neocon and

    HERE’S SOME USELESS CAPITAL LETTERS THAT INDICATE NOTHING OTHER THAN TO DO UNTO YOU BEFORE YOU DO UNTO TO ME!

    :D

  15. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    When you keep praying on the street corners, Pharisee, we will keep pointing out your cynical use of “religion.”

    ——————

    Far from reality that post, Capn. In fact, exactly backwards. When religion is discussed, it is almost always instigated by an attack on from the likes of you. You are fooling no one.

  16. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Hear ye hear ye

    All come forward now in the presence of the Earthly sent messenger of the lord the right honorable outlander. Court is now in session. May God and outlander have mercy on our souls.

  17. WichiWomn
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Has anyone heard from KFG? There were tornados right over her area last night. If someone has, please post. Here’s hoping all is well.

  18. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I think I saw a post from her last evening Wichi. I remember being surprised by that because kfg is not much in in the evening.

  19. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    outlander,

    (I incorrectly asked Hank Price to answer this.)

    Your 9:16 am link on yesterdays ‘Open’ says,

    “Stephen [Wilde] has been a Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society since 1968.”

    Why isn’t Wilde listed as a “Fellow” at http://www.rmets.org/about/people/fellows.php

    outlander’s expert(sic) claims: “… in fact, solar energy is and always has been the overwhelming primary driver for global temperature with CO2 such a minor component that it should be ignored.”

    Nope.
    Chapter 2 at http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm

    “The combined anthropogenic RF [Radiative Forcing] is estimated to be +1.6 [–1.0, +0.8]2 W m–2, indicating that, since 1750, it is extremely likely3 that humans have exerted a substantial warming influence on climate.
    This RF estimate is likely to be at least five times greater than that due to solar irradiance changes.

    More re solar in section 2.7 of report.

  20. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    A great site with lots of info,

    ‘Welcome to the Clean Coal Body Slam’
    http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/

  21. mrcontroversy
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Can there be any more doubt that our city is once again tightly in the grip of the GOBN?
    The people be damned.

  22. littlejohn
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    This is who we want to build our new tankers?

    Yeah, right.

    ***************************************

    Airbus, the world’s largest commercial aircraft maker, is valued at “less than zero” after this year’s 31 percent drop in the shares of parent European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., according to Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. analyst Joe Campbell.

    “The market is viewing Airbus as a liability, rather than an asset,” said Campbell, who is based in New York and has ranked among the top five aerospace analysts for six consecutive years in an Institutional Investor magazine poll.

    EADS, based in Paris and Munich, on May 13 reported an additional three-month delay in deliveries of the A380 superjumbo jetliner, which was already two years behind schedule. Before the latest setback, the company had cut its profit forecast by $6 billion through 2010.

    Airbus is also six months to a year late on the A400M military transport. It has a $31.4 billion contract with six European governments and Turkey for 180 of the planes. Additional cost overruns and penalty payments may drain cash needed for the $16 billion expense of developing the Airbus A350, a long-range jet competing with Boeing Co.’s 7 87 and 777.

    A February 2007 recovery plan meant to help Airbus cope with a weakening dollar as it competes with Boeing for dominance of the $60 billion-a-year airliner market has stumbled. The planemaker sought in part to shift investment for new planes to subcontractors who would buy Airbus plants. It chose local companies in France and Germany that lacked the capital to shoulder the risk and the plan fell apart.

  23. Predestined
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Outlander,

    There was no provocation for your attack on Chas in this thread. You pulled that out of thin air and started in. You have nothing better to do? Pity you.

    Hey, if you don’t like being attacked, then don’t start it.

  24. Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see a show of hands of who thinks that outlander, Nathan, and Regular aren’t getting laid?

    And that may be at the root of their smug self-righteousness?

    Yup . . . me too . . .

  25. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Predestined, for informing of your thoughts about “personal attacks”. Of course, my post wasn’t an “attack”. I was picking on Chas a bit, but he richly deserves it. It was humor based on fact. Funny, huh? I’m betting you don’t get it.

    But since it is your standard, do you have any excuses that you would like to try to make to explain your apparently hypocritical attack on Boxlock?

  26. Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

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    A jury has found Ted Burnett guilty of capital murder in the slaying of Chelsea Brooks.

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  27. Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Re: Outlander >>>>

    S.O. material

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  28. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Chas, is Predestined your Mom?

  29. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    Do you consider it acceptable for someone to falsely claim that they are a member of a professional group?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-523/#comment-355285

  30. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Not at all Cosmos. Perhaps you should take it up with the credentialing committee. If he is a non-member, I bet they would be interested to know that Mr. Wilde is using their name. Of course, maybe he is an associate fellow, in which case, he wouldn’t be listed. Or maybe he was left off in error

    Regardless, I don’t think that you should let this lie until you get to the bottom of it. Good luck. Let me know how it comes out.

  31. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Democrats (liberals mostly)
    Never
    Formulate
    The
    Truth

  32. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    You posted the link which says that Wilde is a “Fellow” (not an “Associate Fellow) of this group,

    http://www.rmets.org/weather/climate/index.php

    That’s your problem, not mine. You should research your sources more carefully.

  33. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    John Bolton is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. From August 2005 to December 2006, he served as the U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations, and for four years prior to that he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Ambassador Bolton has a B.A. from Yale College and a J.D. from Yale Law School, where he was editor of the Yale Law Journal. He has written for several publications, including the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and the Weekly Standard, and is the author of the recent book, Surrender is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad.

    The following is adapted from a speech delivered at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar in Phoenix, Arizona, on February 11, 2008.

    ——————————————————————————–

    America’s Interests and the U.N.

    Jeane Kirkpatrick was frequently asked why the U.S. didn’t simply withdraw from the U.N., and her answer was, “Because it’s more trouble than it’s worth.” The fact is that the U.N., at times, can be an effective instrument of American foreign policy. Of course, to say this is heretical to the real devotees of the U.N., for whom the U.N. shouldn’t be an instrument of anyone’s foreign policy. But the fact is that everybody who participates in the U.N.—all of the 192 member governments, all of the non-governmental organizations, and all of the civil servants in the U.N. secretariats—try to advance their own interests. The only entity that gets criticized for that, needless to say, is the U.S. government.

    Although I want to talk about some of the U.N.’s failings in the international security area, I first want to mention an issue that doesn’t get as much attention, but which in many respects is more troubling and affects American interests in ways that could have a profound impact well into the future. This is what our friends in Europe call “norming.”

    “Norming” is the idea that the U.S. should base its decisions on some kind of international consensus, rather than making its decisions as a constitutional democracy. It is a way in which the Europeans and their left-wing friends here and elsewhere try and constrain U.S. sovereignty. You can see how disastrous this would be just by looking at the geography of the floor of the U.N. General Assembly. Look out at the representatives of the 192 governments spread out over the floor and you wonder where the U.S. even is. Well, we’re there somewhere. But the fact is that we’re sitting with a majority of countries that have no traditions or understanding of liberty. The argument of the advocates of “norming” is “one nation, one vote.” That sounds very democratic: Who could object to that? But its result would be very anti-democratic. As an illustration of this, a friend of mine once went to a conference on international law and heard a professor from a major European university say, “The problem with the United States is its devotion to its Constitution over international norms.”

    We have controversial issues within the United States—issues that we debate, and over which reasonable people can disagree. But these controversies should be resolved through our political process, according to our Constitution, just as other countries can resolve their controversies as they see fit. Take, for example, the question of the death penalty. This is a matter about which many people feel very strongly, both for and against. We’ve just seen New Jersey repeal the death penalty. At the federal level, procedures have been reformed to meet objections from the Supreme Court, so that the death penalty can be handed out in appropriate cases. Opinions on the subject change constantly as we debate in the U.S. whether we should have a death penalty and, if so, under what circumstances. But at the U.N. this debate is closed; the death penalty has been ruled out. The new Secretary-General of the U.N., Ban Ki-moon, comes from South Korea—where they still have the death penalty—and last year, during his first few months in office, he remarked that this question is for each government to decide for itself. Upon saying this, he was all but subjected to articles of impeachment for failing to realize that the U.N. had already decided that question for all countries.

    As I say, I think it’s perfectly legitimate to debate the death penalty from either side. But it is inconceivable to me that anyone can seriously argue—as advocates of “norming” do—that the death penalty violates international standards of human rights, when in a democratic society like ours we are debating it.

    Another issue on which “norming” is brought to bear is gun control. In 2001, the U.N. had a conference about international trafficking in small arms and light weapons—weapons that flow into conflict zones and pose a risk to U.N. peacekeepers. The idea was to discuss methods to deal with this threat. But the discussion turned out to have nothing to do with small arms and light weapons in African or Asian civil wars. Instead it was about gun control in the U.S., with advocates of “international norms” pressing for the prohibition of private ownership of firearms of any sort. The U.S. delegation made it clear that while we were concerned about the illicit flow of weapons into conflict areas, we were not going to sign on to any international agreement that prohibited private ownership of guns. I explained that we had a Constitution that precluded any such restrictions. This was treated as an entirely specious notion.

    These are the kind of “norming” exercises by which foreign governments hope, over time, to build up a coral reef of U.N. resolutions and pronouncements that can be used to manipulate U.S. policy.

    Although the U.N. is perfectly capable of passing resolutions about the death penalty and gun control—not to mention smoking—it has proved utterly incapable, even after 9/11, of agreeing to a definition of terrorism that would enable it to denounce terrorism. The U.N. is incapable of doing this, even to this day, because several member governments think there is good terrorism and bad terrorism. It is inconceivable, in my judgment, that the U.N. will ever be able to agree upon a definition of terrorism that’s not complete pablum—and therefore utterly useless.

    So in all the areas where the U.N. shouldn’t be involved—issues best left to sovereign countries—it is very successful in passing judgment, especially when it can spit in the eye of the U.S. But in the one area where the U.N. could be of most use in promoting international peace, it has failed completely. So much for “norming.”

    Attempts at Reform
    We, as Americans, are pretty practical people. We like to solve problems. I think that’s the way most Americans approach the United Nations. So we have looked for ways to make the U.N. work better. But virtually every serious effort to reform it over the years has failed.

    Let me give you a couple of examples. Most of us are familiar with the oil-for-food scandal—the mismanagement and corruption that accompanied the efforts to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people after the first Iraq War. Even Kofi Annan, the previous Secretary-General, recognized that this scandal caused grave damage to the U.N.’s reputation. Thus he brought in Paul Volcker, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, to investigate and propose reforms. One of Volcker’s most important findings was that the oil-for-food scandal was not a unique incident—that it represented flaws endemic to the entire U.N. system. So Volcker proposed a whole series of reforms, chief among them being effective outside auditing of U.N. programs. We worked hard with other governments to get these reforms adopted by the General Assembly. Months and months of negotiation led to a vote by the U.N. Budget Committee, and the reforms were rejected by a margin of about two to one.

    Let me repeat this for emphasis: The U.N. Budget Committee voted two to one against effective outside auditing of U.N. programs. This tells you pretty much everything you need to know about how the U.N. operates. And I should add that the countries voting in favor of these reforms contribute over 90 percent of the U.N.’s budget, whereas the countries voting against them contribute under ten percent.

    We engaged in another reform effort to fix the U.N. Human Rights Commission—a body that everybody in Europe, and even Secretary-General Annan, admitted was a stain on the U.N.’s reputation. It spends most of its time defending human rights abusers and passing resolutions critical of the U.S. and Israel. We proposed a series of procedural reforms that would have changed the membership of the Human Rights Commission in a way to rid it of the worst human rights offenders. But the third world countries, led by Russia and China, adamantly refused to consider these reforms. One by one, our European friends allowed them to be dropped, so that the reform package got smaller and smaller. I knew that the effort was completely lost when it couldn’t even be agreed that governments under sanctions by the Security Council for gross abuses of human rights or support for terrorism would be prohibited membership on the new Human Rights Council. At that point I recommended to the Secretary of State that we vote against the resolution. But ultimately the new Council was created with only four countries voting against it—the U.S., Israel, and our other two close allies, Palau and the Marshall Islands.

    The Europeans criticized us at the time for giving up on reform, and my response was that it is foolish to put lipstick on a caterpillar and call it a butterfly. But in the end the Europeans cared less about reforming the Human Rights Commission than bludgeoning the U.S. into being more submissive to the U.N. So they expressed outrage at us, rather than at the countries that had rejected real reform. Subsequently, even the editorial boards of the New York Times and the Washington Post—neither of them conservative supporters of the Bush administration—called the new Human Rights Council even worse than its predecessor.

    What I concluded following my 16 months as ambassador—and based on my work in the U.N. system dating back to my earliest service in the Reagan administration—was that efforts at marginal or incremental reform of the U.N. are doomed to failure. Instead, I believe that we should focus on one issue: changing the arrangement by which financing of the U.N. is mandatory.

    Under the current system, the U.S. pays 22 percent of the cost of most U.N. agencies, and 27 percent of peacekeeping costs. We are far and away the largest contributor, and every year Congress pays the bill as apportioned by the General Assembly. My revolutionary reform principle would be this: The United States should pay for what it wants and insist that it get what it pays for. This would break up the entitlement mentality at the U.N. and foster an organization that is both more transparent and more effective.

    Unfulfilled Promise
    International peace and security was the objective that motivated the founders of the U.N. after World War Two. And it is precisely here that the U.N.’s promise has been least fulfilled during its 60-plus years of existence. During the half-century of the Cold War, the U.N. was fundamentally irrelevant to the great struggle between liberty and tyranny due to the make-up of the Security Council and the veto power held by the Soviet Union and, later, by the People’s Republic of China. Since the end of the Cold War, many people have thought it possible that the U.N. could play a more important role in world affairs. These hopes have been completely dashed.

    Take the present case of Darfur. Acts of genocide have been committed by the government of Sudan against the people of the region, and unspeakable brutality has gone on for over three years. Yet the Security Council has been incapable of inserting a U.N. peacekeeping force. Why is that? In part, it is because China has given protective cover to the Sudanese government. And why does China do this? Because it has a large and growing demand for energy and wants oil and natural gas leases in Sudan. Thus the genocidal government of Sudan has stood down the entire U.N. Security Council for years.

    Or consider the case of Iraq. In the aftermath of Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and the subsequent expulsion of Iraqi forces by the U.S.-led coalition, we and Saddam Hussein agreed to a cease-fire based on a number of conditions expressed in various Security Council resolutions. Saddam Hussein ignored those resolutions. Leaving aside the issue of weapons of mass destruction, there’s no doubt that he failed to comply with the cease-fire resolution and other key resolutions of the Security Council. Yet when President Bush suggested that the Security Council take its own resolutions seriously, he was rebuffed. This is a perfect example of the U.N. being willing to talk but not act.

    What is the lesson learned when unlawful governments are the subject of repeated resolutions by the Security Council and yet suffer no consequences for ignoring them? We find the consequences played out now in two direct threats to the U.S. and to international order: the nuclear weapons programs of North Korea and Iran. And, as in the days of the Cold War, the U.N. is fundamentally irrelevant in the face of these grave threats to world peace.

    I’m sure all of you recall the Israeli Air Force raid last September that destroyed a major facility in Syria. It turned out to be a nuclear facility that was being constructed with the assistance of North Korea, quite possibly financed by Iran. This reminds us of the real threats we face, of the ineffectiveness of the U.N., and of the importance of U.S. military power and foreign policy.

    There is one point of view here in America—a view given expression during the 2004 presidential campaign by Senator Kerry—holding that American foreign policy should meet some kind of “global test.” By this way of thinking, America needs, in effect, to demonstrate the legitimacy of its foreign policy decisions by getting the approval of the U.N. Security Council or some other international body. The same suggestion will no doubt surface again this year, in the run-up to the November election. In the 21st century, then—just as in the 20th—the political decisions we make here in the U.S. will be much more significant than those made at the U.N.

  34. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Do you mean you are just going to let him get away with that Cosmos? I mean, he has published four similar articles to the one I posted. If he is not who he says he is, he needs to be shut down. Not only that, he is pretty effective in his argument and you could get an opponent “DQ’d” as it were. There might even be a reward or recognition of some sort.

    No Cosmos, don’t let this guy get away with it!

  35. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Check these links — Look like anything we see here on the Blog almost daily?? Scary stuff!!

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

    http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v21n2/history.html

    Please check these out!! You will find that the ANTI Gay Marriage folks have a much biger agenda….

  36. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
    Chas, is Predestined your Mom?
    ======================================

    Ad Hoiminem at its finest — my mother has been dead for almost 12 years — You sick twisted freak!!

  37. outlander
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos, you know he will only keep writing effective articles about global cooling. Did you see his dare at the end of his article? “If they already have evidence to disprove everything in this article and make me a laughing stock then let them produce it.”

    You can be the one who takes him up on it. But not the way he thought. No sir. I’m sure that he never thought anyone would questions his credentials. Guys like him never do. Won’t he be surprised?

    Hero time Cosmos.

  38. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    So cosmos, what professional group do you belong to that qualify to speak out as an ‘expert’ on global warming?

    Or should everyone consider you another Internet hack, because you refuse to show your credentials that qualify you to write about Global Warming?

  39. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    I think cosmos should expose Mr. Wilde on the International level is he is a fraud. Post on realclimate.org cosmos. Perhaps the scientists there can help you out in identifying who Mr. Wilde is.

    As outlander states, be a hero, expose the fraud.

  40. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    James, why do you keep demanding Cosmos post his personal information on the Blog, when you are the biggest bitcher about your personal information being made public by other posters?? If it’s good enough for Cosmos, should it not be good enough for you??

    So, how about you post your credentials that give you the expertise to argue such things with Cosmos, since you think you are so blasted smart??

  41. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Better yet, James, why dont you and Cosmos both submit your credentials to the Blog Editors, and they can verify which of you, or both of you, hold such credentials?? That way Nobody else has to see the information??

  42. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Besides, James — I THINK the information concerning Mr. Wilde has been posted here numerous times, by Cosmos, as well as by others…

  43. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Chas, how about shutting your ministerial pie-hole when I’m addressing cosmos?

    The Wichita Eagle has already seen my credentials when I applied there for a job many years ago.

  44. Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    James, why would Cosmos even want to post his/her credentials here, given the way you and your gang of goons jump on credentials even when they are posted?? Hmmmm???

  45. Nathaniel
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Predestined,

    Where were you yesterday when CapnAmerica attacked my faith when it was not even part of the topic?

    Where are you now to condemn CapnAmerica for attacking me when I have not even posted her until now?

    I can see that the liberals like CapnAmerica have no interest in civility here.

    I made an agreement with CapnAmerica and I have held up my end of the deal while he has not.

  46. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    Wilde already “DQ’d” himself, with his vague, unsupported, nonscientific nonsense. That’s why he publishes(sic) his junk on obscure sites like ‘rightsidenews’.

    Stephen Wilde: “I’ve been a Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society since 1968. Admittedly that was before a science qualification was required but I’ve been a weather and climate geek for over 50 years.”

  47. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    I dunno Chas, could it be that cosmos has no credentials to offer that would measure up to any scientific standard?

    All cosmos admits to is having ’some’ science classes. He doesn’t say what, where or how he did in them.

    Why doesn’t cosmos go on realclimate.org, his scientific idols and ask? He could ask Dr. Gavin Schmidt about Mr. Wilde.

  48. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    jimmymac would post his detailed science that refutes AGW — but he is too busy re-aiming his satellite dish, and updating Lat/Lon coordinates, because Earth’s orbit is changing. /sarcasm OFF.

    jimmymac has no respect for scientific credentials.

  49. Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Look, James — I simply offered you guys a possibly solution to stop the constant bickering over credentials… Either go for it, or not, but dont attack ME… it isnt my fight!! Geez!!

  50. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Notice how cosmos avoids expressing any inkling of his credentials. Yet, somehow cosmos has deemed himself ‘qualified’ to ‘dis’ others who have more experience, more scientific education and more scientific approaches to the matter than the politically driven agenda of the IPCC.

  51. Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, I havent seen any attacks on your faith or beliefs here today… Where did I miss that??

  52. Nathaniel
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    YESTERDAY…..

    “Where were you YESTERDAY when CapnAmerica attacked my faith when it was not even part of the topic?”

  53. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Kansas (aka Regular) posted August 25, 2007 at 9:54 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/why-do-people-s/#comment-197994

    “Then Gavin Schmidt is a fraudulent scientist, because he only picked on portion of the paper to try and discredit.”
    ——-

    ‘Gavin A. Schmidt’
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=46
    “Gavin Schmidt is a climate modeller at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York and is interested in modeling past, present and future climate. He works on developing and improving coupled climate models and, in particular, is interested in how their results can be compared to paleoclimatic proxy data. He also works on assessing the climate response to multiple forcings, such as solar irradiance, atmospheric chemistry, aerosols, and greenhouse gases.

    He received a BA (Hons) in Mathematics from Oxford University, a PhD in Applied Mathematics from University College London and was a NOAA Postdoctoral Fellow in Climate and Global Change Research. He serves on the CLIVAR/PAGES Intersection and the Earth System Modeling Framework Advisory Panels and is an Associate Editor for the Journal of Climate. He was cited by Scientific American as one of the 50 Research Leaders of 2004, and has worked on Education and Outreach with the American Museum of Natural History, the College de France and the New York Academy of Sciences. He has over 50 peer-reviewed publications.”

    ‘Dr. Gavin A. Schmidt: Research’
    http://www.giss.nasa.gov/~gavin/

  54. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    And Dr. Schmidt got his butt kicked in a debate with the ’skeptics’ now didn’t he? It was on NPR, shall I show the link again?

    So cosmos, what is the resume of Mr. Wilde?

    Or do you even know cosmos?

    Come on cosmos, show how much more superior you are to Mr. Wilde. After all, he’s only been studying the matter for a mere 50 years.

    No doubt you have superior knowledge and training cosmos.

    Now’s the time to prove your superiority cosmos.

  55. Nathaniel
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    Are your attacks on those who oppose AGW any different?

    Please tell us how much you respect Richard Lindzens credentials.

  56. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    “Yet, somehow cosmos has deemed himself ‘qualified’ to ‘dis’ others who have more experience, more scientific education and more scientific approaches to the matter than the politically driven agenda of the IPCC.”

    Poor jimmymac is just unable to understand that the IPCC does not do climate science. They compile the peer-reviewed, published reports done by scientists worldwide.

    And jimmymac considers himself more “‘qualified’ to ‘dis’” all of those scientists.

    http://www.ipcc.ch/about/index.htm
    “The IPCC does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.”

  57. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted May 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “Please tell us how much you respect Richard Lindzens credentials.”

    Wrong question. Nathan should ask if Dr. Lindzen’s “Iris Theory” withstood scientific scrutiny by his peers.

    It did not. And Lindzen has withdrawn that theory, multiple times.

  58. Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Nathan — I was referring to this comment…

    “Where are you now to condemn CapnAmerica for attacking me when I have not even posted her until now?” [Nathaniel]

    Thought that implied something regarding today… sorry if it didnt…

  59. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    So cosmos refuses to release his scientific credentials, yet condemns others for theirs? Can we now state in absolute confidence that cosmos is a hypocrite of the worst kind.

    Hiding behind a computer screen, cosmos attacks the credibility and reputations of others without giving on clue on his own qualification.

    We now know by his repeated refusal to give qualifying scientific credentials, that cosmos is a hack of the GORACLE attack squad. Most likely unpaid and thusly a ‘blind’ but loyal follower not unlike the Waffen SchutzStaffel of the ideological Nazi party who without question followed the bizarre rantings of Adolph Hitler.

  60. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted May 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “And Dr. Schmidt got his butt kicked in a debate with the ’skeptics’ now didn’t he? It was on NPR, shall I show the link again?”

    jimmymac seems to believe that science is done by public debate, in front of an audience that probably does not understand the science.

    I believe that science is done with data, research, hypotheses, peer-reviewed publication, verification, and more data, research, etc.

  61. Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Policy

    Although The Wichita Eagle is not responsible for the content of the comments on this blog and has no obligation to monitor them, it reserves the right to remove any comments that are threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable. Please refrain from personal attacks and using other posters’ nicknames. Report possible comment violations to weblog@wichitaeagle.com.

  62. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
    Regular posted May 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “And Dr. Schmidt got his butt kicked in a debate with the ’skeptics’ now didn’t he? It was on NPR, shall I show the link again?”

    jimmymac seems to believe that science is done by public debate, in front of an audience that probably does not understand the science.

    I believe that science is done with data, research, hypotheses, peer-reviewed publication, verification, and more data, research, etc.
    ———————————–

    Except when actual observed data is presented to the GW scientists and they refute it because their Computer Climate Models which have huge ‘fudge factors’ are more (cough) accurate.

    cosmos acknowledges his lack of ability and scientific credentials in discussing matters on climate change.

    cosmos is a partisan hack who has zero credentials in any discipline regarding climate change.

  63. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    You mean like the time you bolded “James McClure” in that obituary Chas?

  64. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Predictably, jimmymac attacks with false ad hominems, lies, name-calling, and again proves Godwin’s law.

    jimmymac again wildly flails his arms, and is boring.

  65. Nathaniel
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Capnamerica did attack me today as well, just not on my faith:

    “CapnAmerica
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
    Let’s see a show of hands of who thinks that outlander, Nathan, and Regular aren’t getting laid?

    And that may be at the root of their smug self-righteousness?

    Yup . . . me too . . .”

  66. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    So clear things up cosmos.

    Here’s your chance to display your scientific credentials and settle it once and for all.

    Do it now or forever be known with zero credibility and a partisan hack for Gore.

  67. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Look out! It’a an all out war about AGW. The proAGW radicals are pretty impressive today.

    But don’t forget about the AntiAGWists who are the best of the best of the national weather reservists.

    Let her go…………………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. Nathaniel
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    What does that have to do with Richard Lindzens credentials?

    Do you or do you not respect his credentials?

  69. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Man, the Gore comparison was a hard blow to take! Smack, pow , bam!

    Maybe Cosmos should help him have a real green house!

  70. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    jimmymac again wildly flails his arms.

    http://environment.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11649/dn11649-1_688.jpg

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/hansens-1988-projections/

  71. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Notice how cosmos never answers the question about his credentials.

    He just posts some hyperlinks and proclaims himself to be an expert.

    Then, without knowing how to scientifically interpret the work of others, because cosmos is not a scientist (by his own admission), he attacks the scientific credentials and works of real scientists or those with many decades of experience.

    cosmos is a partisan hack of the GORACLE and cannot be believed.

  72. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    OOOOOOOOO Weeeeeeeeeeee! Cosmos made contact with an uppercut to the chin, but Nat and Reg are not to be outdone and they parry for……………

  73. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    OOOOOOOOO Weeeeeeeeeeee! Cosmos made contact with an uppercut to the chin, but Nat and Reg are not to be outdone and they parry for……………

  74. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Nathan,

    Again, my personal opinion re Dr. Lindzen is irrelevant.

    Science is about the science, not the scientists.

    BTW: Lindzen agrees that humans are causing warming, he just disagrees how much.

  75. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    A Gorish punch to the midsection that sends Cosmos reeling to the ropes…………..

  76. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    But he averts the next combination of jabs and does a back summersault and lands behind his opponents………..

  77. Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    RE: American

    D
    N
    F
    T
    T

  78. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Whose house is the greenest?

    Gore?

    Bush?

    Reg?

    Nat?

    Cosmo?

  79. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    BTW: Lindzen agrees that humans are causing warming, he just disagrees how much.

    So cosmos admits that if a scientist is not 100 percent on board with cosmos intepretation of what Global Warming is, then that scientist must be some sort of hack.

    Even thought that scientist, Dr. Lindzen, is a MIT professor with many years of study in the field and a PhD in studies specific to climatology on oceans.

    cosmos must have some real stud credentials to put himself above Lindzen.

    So cosmos, just what are your credentials?

  80. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Chas?

  81. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Reinforcements arrive for Cosmo, the Goricist? Pr is that the Exorcist?

  82. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    jimmymac, you are the person attacking the science done by the highly credentialed, published, climate scientists.

    ‘Regular’ has deemed himself more “‘qualified’ to ‘dis’ others who have more experience, more scientific education and more scientific approaches” to the AGW issue.

    Regular‘, aka ‘Kansas, aka many other nics should post his science credentials, experience, and list his peer-reviewed climate publications.

  83. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Whether or not weather is an issue in this match has yet to be completely determined, as of yet.

    Maybe weather determines the whether of the whether of the weather.

    Ask a weatherman. Surely he knows.

    Hey Dave Freeman, where are you when we need you?

  84. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos credentials: using a keyboard and the interweb/cut & paste…..oh and taking orders.

  85. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Repost,
    Nathan should ask if Dr. Lindzen’s “Iris Theory” withstood scientific scrutiny by his peers.

    It did not. And Lindzen has withdrawn that theory, multiple times.

  86. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    yes, the INTERWEB!

  87. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Not at all cosmos. I have always contended that I discuss climate science here on the blog as a discussion with basic scientific facts.

    However, cosmos way of discussing is attacking the credibility or credentials of AGW scientists or dismissing them entirely when they do not agree with his position.

    cosmos does not have the intellectual capability to discuss science, because he has no scientific training past the undergraduate Liberal arts science courses of biology and perhaps elementary chemistry, if that much.

    cosmos inability to discuss science in a rational manner is further worsened by his incessant linking to words that are not his own.

    cosmos blindly follows people he has never met nor even seen.

  88. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Darwinists
    Never
    Formulate
    Temperature
    Tables

  89. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    But do be aware, Cosmos has a plan of action in work……………..

  90. fleettwood
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    “Hey Dave Freeman, where are you when we need you?”

    He’s in the studio waiting for the program to resume so he can break in and tell us about the storm in Goodland, KS.

  91. gster
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Can Freeman be any worse than Merl “I never interrupt a commercial” Teller?

  92. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted May 23, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “However, cosmos way of discussing is attacking the credibility or credentials of AGW scientists or dismissing them entirely when they do not agree with his position.”

    Actually, I point out what other climate scientists say about the skeptics and deniers.

    “Nathan should ask if Dr. Lindzen’s “Iris Theory” withstood scientific scrutiny by his peers.”

    It’s Regular who attacks all of the highly credentialed AGW scientists.

    Kansas (aka Regular) posted August 25, 2007 at 9:54 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/why-do-people-s/#comment-197994

    “Then Gavin Schmidt is a fraudulent scientist, because he only picked on portion of the paper to try and discredit.”

    Regular posted May 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    “… the politically driven agenda of the IPCC.”

    And Regular called Dr. Ben a chemistry “clod”.

  93. WSClark
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    “Here’s your chance to display your scientific credentials and settle it once and for all.”

    We would ask for your credentials, McCluer, but we all know that you have zero credibility and would lie about them anyway.

    No point in that.

  94. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    “But do be aware, Cosmos has a plan of action in work…………….”

    Yes. I’m remembering that it is a waste of my time to debate with the liars, trolls, and idiots here.

  95. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    So does this mean cosmos is going to run away once again?

  96. American
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Oh may, I copied and pasted:

    http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=08

    August 2007

    “Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?”

    S. Fred Singer
    Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia

    S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Vir-ginia, a distinguished research professor at George Mason University, and president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project. He performed his undergraduate studies at Ohio State University and earned his Ph.D. in Physics from Princeton University. He was the founding dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences at the University of Miami, the founding director of the U.S. National Weather Satellite Service, and served for five years as vice chairman of the U.S. National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere. Dr. Singer has written or edited over a dozen books and mono-graphs, including, most recently, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years.

    The following is adapted from a lecture delivered on the Hillsdale College campus on June 30, 2007, during a seminar entitled “Economics and the Environment,” sponsored by the Charles R. and Kathleen K. Hoogland Center for Teacher Excellence.

    ——————————————————————————–

    IN THE PAST few years there has been increasing concern about global climate change on the part of the media, politicians, and the public. It has been stimulated by the idea that human activities may influence global climate adversely and that therefore corrective action is required on the part of governments. Recent evidence suggests that this concern is misplaced. Human activities are not influencing the global climate in a perceptible way. Climate will continue to change, as it always has in the past, warming and cooling on different time scales and for different reasons, regardless of human action. I would also argue that—should it occur—a modest warming would be on the whole beneficial.

    This is not to say that we don’t face a serious problem. But the problem is political. Because of the mistaken idea that governments can and must do something about climate, pressures are building that have the potential of distorting energy policies in a way that will severely damage national economies, decrease standards of living, and increase poverty. This misdi-rection of resources will adversely affect human health and welfare in industrialized nations, and even more in developing nations. Thus it could well lead to increased social tensions within nations and conflict between them.

    If not for this economic and political damage, one might consider the present concern about climate change nothing more than just another environmentalist fad, like the Alar apple scare or the global cooling fears of the 1970s. Given that so much is at stake, how-ever, it is essential that people better understand the issue.

    Man-Made Warming?
    The most fundamental question is scientific: Is the observed warming of the past 30 years due to natural causes or are human activities a main or even a contributing factor?

    At first glance, it is quite plausible that humans could be responsible for warming the cli-mate. After all, the burning of fossil fuels to generate energy releases large quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The CO2 level has been increasing steadily since the beginning of the industrial revolution and is now 35 percent higher than it was 200 years ago. Also, we know from direct measurements that CO2 is a “greenhouse gas” which strongly absorbs infrared (heat) radiation. So the idea that burning fossil fuels causes an enhanced “greenhouse effect” needs to be taken seriously.

    But in seeking to understand recent warming, we also have to consider the natural factors that have regularly warmed the climate prior to the industrial revolution and, indeed, prior to any human presence on the earth. After all, the geological record shows a persistent 1,500-year cycle of warming and cooling extending back at least one million years.

    In identifying the burning of fossil fuels as the chief cause of warming today, many politicians and environmental activists simply appeal to a so-called “scientific consensus.” There are two things wrong with this. First, there is no such consensus: An increasing number of climate scientists are raising serious questions about the political rush to judgment on this issue. For example, the widely touted “consensus” of 2,500 scientists on the United Nations Intergov-ernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an illusion: Most of the panelists have no scien-tific qualifications, and many of the others object to some part of the IPCC’s report. The As-sociated Press reported recently that only 52 climate scientists contributed to the report’s “Summary for Policymakers.”

    Likewise, only about a dozen members of the governing board voted on the “consensus statement” on climate change by the American Meteorological Society (AMS). Rank and file AMS scientists never had a say, which is why so many of them are now openly rebelling. Estimates of skepticism within the AMS regarding man-made global warming are well over 50 percent.

    The second reason not to rely on a “scientific consensus” in these matters is that this is not how science works. After all, scientific advances customarily come from a minority of scientists who challenge the majority view—or even just a single person (think of Galileo or Einstein). Science proceeds by the scientific method and draws conclusions based on evidence, not on a show of hands.

    But aren’t glaciers melting? Isn’t sea ice shrinking? Yes, but that’s not proof for human-caused warming. Any kind of warming, whether natural or human-caused, will melt ice. To assert that melting glaciers prove human causation is just bad logic.

    What about the fact that carbon dioxide levels are increasing at the same time tempera-tures are rising? That’s an interesting correlation; but as every scientist knows, correlation is not causation. During much of the last century the climate was cooling while CO2 levels were rising. And we should note that the climate has not warmed in the past eight years, even though greenhouse gas levels have increased rapidly.

    What about the fact—as cited by, among others, those who produced the IPCC report—that every major greenhouse computer model (there are two dozen or so) shows a large tem-perature increase due to human burning of fossil fuels? Fortunately, there is a scientific way of testing these models to see whether current warming is due to a man-made greenhouse effect. It involves comparing the actual or observed pattern of warming with the warming pattern predicted by or calculated from the models. Essentially, we try to see if the “finger-prints” match—“fingerprints” meaning the rates of warming at different latitudes and alti-tudes.

    For instance, theoretically, greenhouse warming in the tropics should register at increas-ingly high rates as one moves from the surface of the earth up into the atmosphere, peak-ing at about six miles above the earth’s surface. At that point, the level should be greater than at the surface by about a factor of three and quite pronounced, according to all the computer models. In reality, however, there is no increase at all. In fact, the data from bal-loon-borne radiosondes show the very opposite: a slight decrease in warming over the equator.

    The fact that the observed and predicted patterns of warming don’t match indicates that the man-made greenhouse contribution to current temperature change is insignificant. This fact emerges from data and graphs collected in the Climate Change Science Program Re-port 1.1, published by the federal government in April 2006 (see http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-1/finalreport/default.htm). It is remarkable and puzzling that few have noticed this disparity between observed and predicted patterns of warming and drawn the obvious scientific conclusion.

    What explains why greenhouse computer models predict temperature trends that are so much larger than those observed? The answer lies in the proper evaluation of feedback within the models. Remember that in addition to carbon dioxide, the real atmosphere con-tains water vapor, the most powerful greenhouse gas. Every one of the climate models calculates a significant positive feedback from water vapor—i.e., a feedback that amplifies the warming effect of the CO2 increase by an average factor of two or three. But it is quite possible that the water vapor feedback is negative rather than positive and thereby re-duces the effect of increased CO2.

    There are several ways this might occur. For example, when increased CO2 produces a warming of the ocean, a higher rate of evaporation might lead to more humidity and cloudi-ness (provided the atmosphere contains a sufficient number of cloud condensation nuclei). These low clouds reflect incoming solar radiation back into space and thereby cool the earth. Climate researchers have discovered other possible feedbacks and are busy evaluat-ing which ones enhance and which diminish the effect of increasing CO2.

    Natural Causes of Warming
    A quite different question, but scientifically interesting, has to do with the natural factors influencing climate. This is a big topic about which much has been written. Natural factors include continental drift and mountain-building, changes in the Earth’s orbit, volcanic erup-tions, and solar variability. Different factors operate on different time scales. But on a time scale important for human experience—a scale of decades, let’s say—solar variability may be the most important.

    Solar influence can manifest itself in different ways: fluctuations of solar irradiance (total energy), which has been measured in satellites and related to the sunspot cycle; variability of the ultraviolet portion of the solar spectrum, which in turn affects the amount of ozone in the stratosphere; and variations in the solar wind that modulate the intensity of cosmic rays (which, upon impact into the earth’s atmosphere, produce cloud condensation nuclei, affect-ing cloudiness and thus climate).

    Scientists have been able to trace the impact of the sun on past climate using proxy data (since thermometers are relatively modern). A conventional proxy for temperature is the ratio of the heavy isotope of oxygen, Oxygen-18, to the most common form, Oxygen-16.

    A paper published in Nature in 2001 describes the Oxygen-18 data (reflecting temperature) from a stalagmite in a cave in Oman, covering a period of over 3,000 years. It also shows corresponding Carbon-14 data, which are directly related to the intensity of cosmic rays striking the earth’s atmosphere. One sees there a remarkably detailed correlation, almost on a year-by-year basis. While such research cannot establish the detailed mechanism of cli-mate change, the causal connection is quite clear: Since the stalagmite temperature cannot affect the sun, it is the sun that affects climate.

    Policy Consequences
    If this line of reasoning is correct, human-caused increases in the CO2 level are quite insignifi-cant to climate change. Natural causes of climate change, for their part, cannot be controlled by man. They are unstoppable. Several policy consequences would follow from this simple fact:
    > Regulation of CO2 emissions is pointless and even counterproductive, in that no matter what kind of mitigation scheme is used, such regulation is hugely expensive.
    > The development of non-fossil fuel energy sources, like ethanol and hydrogen, might be counterproductive, given that they have to be manufactured, often with the investment of great amounts of ordinary energy. Nor do they offer much reduction in oil imports.
    > Wind power and solar power become less attractive, being uneconomic and requiring huge subsidies.
    > Substituting natural gas for coal in electricity generation makes less sense for the same reasons.

    None of this is intended to argue against energy conservation. On the contrary, conserving energy reduces waste, saves money, and lowers energy prices—irrespective of what one may believe about global warming.

    Science vs. Hysteria
    You will note that this has been a rational discussion. We asked the important question of whether there is appreciable man-made warming today. We presented evidence that indi-cates there is not, thereby suggesting that attempts by governments to control green-house-gas emissions are pointless and unwise. Nevertheless, we have state governors calling for CO2 emissions limits on cars; we have city mayors calling for mandatory CO2 controls; we have the Supreme Court declaring CO2 a pollutant that may have to be regu-lated; we have every industrialized nation (with the exception of the U.S. and Australia) signed on to the Kyoto Protocol; and we have ongoing international demands for even more stringent controls when Kyoto expires in 2012. What’s going on here?

    To begin, perhaps even some of the advocates of these anti-warming policies are not so seri-ous about them, as seen in a feature of the Kyoto Protocol called the Clean Development Mechanism, which allows a CO2 emitter—i.e., an energy user—to support a fanciful CO2 re-duction scheme in developing nations in exchange for the right to keep on emitting CO2 un-abated. “Emission trading” among those countries that have ratified Kyoto allows for the sale of certificates of unused emission quotas. In many cases, the initial quota was simply given away by governments to power companies and other entities, which in turn collect a windfall fee from consumers. All of this has become a huge financial racket that could someday make the UN’s “Oil for Food” scandal in Iraq seem minor by comparison. Even more fraudulent, these schemes do not reduce total CO2 emissions—not even in theory.

    It is also worth noting that tens of thousands of interested persons benefit directly from the global warming scare—at the expense of the ordinary consumer. Environmental or-ganizations globally, such as Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, and the Environmental Defense Fund, have raked in billions of dollars. Multi-billion-dollar government subsidies for useless mitigation schemes are large and growing. Emission trading programs will soon reach the $100 billion a year level, with large fees paid to brokers and those who operate the scams. In other words, many people have discovered they can benefit from climate scares and have formed an entrenched interest. Of course, there are also many sincere believers in an impending global warming catastrophe, spurred on in their fears by the growing number of one-sided books, movies, and media coverage.

    The irony is that a slightly warmer climate with more carbon dioxide is in many ways bene-ficial rather than damaging. Economic studies have demonstrated that a modest warming and higher CO2 levels will increase GNP and raise standards of living, primarily by improving agriculture and forestry. It’s a well-known fact that CO2 is plant food and essential to the growth of crops and trees—and ultimately to the well-being of animals and humans.

    You wouldn’t know it from Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth, but there are many upsides to global warming: Northern homes could save on heating fuel. Canadian farmers could har-vest bumper crops. Greenland may become awash in cod and oil riches. Shippers could count on an Arctic shortcut between the Atlantic and Pacific. Forests may expand.
    Mongolia could become an economic superpower. This is all speculative, even a little face-tious. But still, might there be a silver lining for the frigid regions of Canada and Russia? “It’s not that there won’t be bad things happening in those countries,” economics professor Robert O. Mendelsohn of the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies says. “But the idea is that they will get such large gains, especially in agriculture, that they will be bigger than the losses.” Mendelsohn has looked at how gross domestic product around the world would be affected under different warming scenarios through 2100. Canada and Russia tend to come out as clear gainers, as does much of northern Europe and Mongolia, largely be-cause of projected increases in agricultural production.

    To repeat a point made at the beginning: Climate has been changing cyclically for at least a million years and has shown huge variations over geological time. Human beings have adapted well, and will continue to do so.

    * * *

    The nations of the world face many difficult problems. Many have societal problems like pov-erty, disease, lack of sanitation, and shortage of clean water. There are grave security prob-lems arising from global terrorism and the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Any of these problems are vastly more important than the imaginary problem of man-made global warm-ing. It is a great shame that so many of our resources are being diverted from real problems to this non-problem. Perhaps in ten or 20 years this will become apparent to everyone, par-ticularly if the climate should stop warming (as it has for eight years now) or even begin to cool.

    We can only trust that reason will prevail in the face of an onslaught of propaganda like Al Gore’s movie and despite the incessant misinformation generated by the media. To-day, the imposed costs are still modest, and mostly hidden in taxes and in charges for electricity and motor fuels. If the scaremongers have their way, these costs will become enormous. But I believe that sound science and good sense will prevail in the face of irrational and scientifically baseless climate fears.

  97. Phantom
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Bush is a Globalist pres., the sooner he’s gone the better:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/pl_nm/trade_obama_southkorea_dc_2

  98. Phantom
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Under Pressure. Cindy releases tax record. Wow, she’s all the way up to what about the 27% tax bracket?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_tax_dc_1

  99. littlejohn
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    has anybody heard from KsFarmgrrl?

  100. Phantom
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    I’d say she’s right in the ball park with Teressa Heinz kerry.
    “Ms. Heinz Kerry, who filed separately from Senator Kerry, thus paid federal income tax at the rate of 12.3% of her gross income and 27.4% of her AGI”

  101. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Yes, American, you copy/pasted S. Fred Singer.

    Does that mean that you do cannot understand that D-O events are not global warming?

    ‘Avery and Singer: Unstoppable hot air’
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/avery-and-singer-unstoppable-hot-air/

    ‘Unstoppable Hot Air’
    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/unstoppable-hot-air/

    Singer’s ex-wife even “assisted” him,

    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1478
    Singer and the “Glacier Story”
    In his May 10, 2005 Gaurdian column, George Monbiot uncovered a story implicating Fred Singer in the spread of misinformation on the state of the world’s glaciers. An expanded version of this story made it’s way into Monbiot’s best selling book, Heat.

    Monbiot chased all over in search of a source for this information. The claim appeared dozens of times in many different locations – but all trails seemed to lead back to the website of the Science and Environmental Policy Project. That’s basically Dr. S. Fred Singer’s home page.
    When people challenged Singer, he first lashed out, saying Monbiot “has been smoking something or other.” But Singer finally conceded, in March 2005, that the information had originated on his site – posted there by “former SEPP associate Candace Crandall.” Singer acknowledged that the information “appears to be incorrect and has been updated.” “Updated,” however, is different than “corrected.” You could still find the claim on his website 18 months later.

    Singer also failed to mention that the bumbling former associate, Candace Crandall, is his wife.”

  102. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Fred_Singer

  103. Mary_Caruso
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Hilary just keeps digging herself deeper and deeper….anyone with such a lack of common sense has no business being the leader of the free world… I have no idea why her supporters think she is so intelligent, she keeps saying and doing such stupid things.

    “Responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race, she said: “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing the idea of abandoning the race.”

  104. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Congratulations Mary.

    You just joined a pretty despicable club. It’s you, fleetwood, and Capn America that are taking an innocent comment and turning it into a smear.

  105. Mary_Caruso
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    “Innocent comment”? What is YOUR interpetation of what she meant?
    I think it must be wishful thinking on her part that just slipped out…obviously she’s thought about the possiblities if someone kills him.
    She’s scary…that’s all I have to say.

  106. Mary_Caruso
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprized that you can still support her, JR, after all the times her true self has shown through. She’s no one to be respected or trusted.
    Obama is much smarter, wiser, classier, and more honest than she could ever be. If you can’t see that, you’re either blind or delusional.

  107. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    ““Innocent comment”? What is YOUR interpetation of what she meant?”

    She ALSO mentioned her husbands drawn out primary process.

    She was simply saying, as I have, that it is a GOOD thing to have more than one Democratic candidate for as long as possible.

    The party rules and delegate allocation and super delegates ARE set up just for that purpose.

    “I think it must be wishful thinking on her part that just slipped out…obviously she’s thought about the possiblities if someone kills him.
    She’s scary…that’s all I have to say.”

    Do you really believe that? Or are you just saying it because you are in love with Barack Obama?

    Either way, you join, and have been joining a group of SOME Obama supporters that I no longer want anything to do with.

    Let me be clear on that.

    There are SOME supporters of Obama who I think have crossed a line that separates me from them and their candidate, permanently.

  108. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    And your 9:09?

    Yes I know Mary. You are better than me. You are smarter, work harder, have more money, don’t smoke and are just in general superior to me.

    So you have been saying for a long time now.

    It’s a trait among SOME Obama supporters.

    I really would not run with this one if I were you.

    I wasn’t originally a Clinton supporter, remember? My mom and many of her friends were not either.

    This from you and people like you, including the entire MSNBC network?

    This pisses people off.

    At this point? Obama could promise to abolish the Republican party and I wouldn’t vote for him. IF this smear continues….

    I’ll just leave that open.

  109. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Senator Clinton knows that after Robert Kennedy was assassinated, the Secret Service was mandated to protect presidential candidates?

  110. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    What is it you mean by that cosmos?

  111. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay is just one step from wearing a pillow case for a hat and burning down a fellow American’s home….because they are the “enemy”.

  112. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Since Senator Clinton mentioned the 1992 primaries — compare it to the current 2008 primary.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_1992
    “The convention met in New York City, and the official [delegate] tally was:

    * Bill Clinton 3372
    * Jerry Brown 596
    * Paul Tsongas 289
    …”

    I don’t understand how Brown winning California in June would have made much difference.

  113. Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Check these links — Look like anything we see here on the Blog almost daily?? Scary stuff!!

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

    Please check these out!! You will find that the ANTI Gay Marriage folks have a much biger agenda….

  114. Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    And another >>>>

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

  115. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Chas, I have warned you…..(CNN)…:)
    ROTFL LOL!!

  116. Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v21n2/history.html

  117. Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    ANTI = Troll Freak!!

  118. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Slap
    The
    Fake
    Unitarian

  119. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Chas, is :: out on business???

  120. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Chas don’t get sucked in.

    “Anti” is just James again.

  121. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    OK I am done, you bore me….enjoy the holiday!

  122. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Brothers in sheets, eh “BlueJay”. Burn any Flags lately?

  123. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
    Chas don’t get sucked in.

    “Anti” is just James again.
    —————-
    Shut your hole midget.

  124. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    I would suspect this holiday BlueJay will go spit on some graves.

  125. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    just to show his “respect” for this country

  126. Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay, ANTI is not James….

  127. Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Assuming of course, that James is not using two separate computers logged in to the Blog…

    :-|

  128. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted May 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/mccain%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98respectful-disagreement%e2%80%99-on-same-sex-marriage/#comment-355702
    “I’ll tear this blog a new one and make it like times of old if they don’t stop harassing me. Brownlee doesn’t care, he thinks its funny.

    The moment one of the Lib hoodlums start up, I’ll going to rip a new asshole out of someone or someone(s). It’s really that simple.

    This is why I came on the blog in the first place, to rid the blog of the likes of Clark, Junior, CapnAmerica and MonkeyHawk. They even left for awhile.”
    ——-
    You are not doing a very good job, are you ‘JM’, ‘Republikhan’, ‘** K H A N **’, (stolen) ‘JM Walker’, ‘blank’, ‘Republican’, ‘Kansas’, ‘Regular‘, et al… ?

    That’s because jimmymac’s empty threats, lies, false ad hominems, name-calling, and wild arm flailings are weaker than the facts and truth.

    How many of jimmymac’s posts (under various nics) have been deleted by the editors?

    And jimmymac has proven that he is 100%, totally clueless about issues like climate science, and the New orleans levee failures.

  129. BlueJay
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Chas he is.

    And I aim to prove it.

    “Regular” was posting about his blog warfare power on another thread.

    Well SUCH a powerful blog entity here should have some pull don’t you think?

    I do.

    In a way, I hate that this is what my role here has pretty much always been. Busting the mentally addled late at night.

    I’ve done this before.

    Ok here is the deal.

    James? YOU are a powerful guy! You brag you are gonna tear this blog a new one.

    I’ll make it easy for you. I’ll give you a chance to prove what no one else has been able to in almost three years now.

    You get the chance to make me wrong or a liar.

    I say that “Regular” is “Boxlock” is “Anti”.

    And any other errant nics that want to invite themselves are welcome too. Let’s have an end to this.

    Now powerful and influential poster you are here James “Regular”, you have to have some sway.

    You get “Boxlock” and “Anti” and anyone else you can. And I will meet you and “them” anytime any place. Just little old Jay against all you can bring.

  130. Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay, Reg. could get any two guys to show up with him, if it is as you say it is… And, how would you know?? Just asking…

  131. Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Junior, you’re just a low life moron. There is no other polite way to say it.

    Frankly, I don’t care if Anti,Boxlock, Max or whoever you accuse me of being never show up at a meetup.

    You had your chance and you chickened out.

    I know you’re a runt and can’t back up your mouth, that’s why you didn’t want to meet.

    Why don’t you buy some clown shoes and join a circus. You can be the midget clown that slides under the ponies. You don’t even have to talk, which would suit you.

    Or I could just wait when Clinton gets booted out of the race and you alienate all the Libs and Dems on this blog, you won’t have anyone to turn to, but your little dwarf face staring back at you in the mirror.

    Have a sad night Junior.

  132. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    People who cannot defend their invalid opinions on a blog, often instead try to disrupt it.

    The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-319/#comment-316172

    It looks like [Editor] Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.

    Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.

    Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.

    You’ll never know when it strikes.

  133. ANTI
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay, first and foremost you wouldn’t show up if you agreed. Second, I find you and your opinions as worthy as a warm bucket of piss. You are a kook who finds 50% of Americans as the “enemy”. A most unstable person in my mind.

  134. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    BlueJay, I assume you will wait for a few hours till you will respond?

  135. BlueJay
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    What is it you say James? (Regular and ANTI)

    Bawk

    Bawk

    Bawk

  136. BlueJay
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Uh yeah “Auntie” James.

    YOU did not show up when Steven met James. And you were invited. You could not have known that Steven would ask me at the last minute not to attend.

    But I’m sure I’m right.

    I’ll meet James (Regular) any time any place. And I’ll only bring my kid.

    James can invite anyone he wants to.

  137. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    The thing is “BlueJay”, I disagree with many of the Lib posters (C3PO, CapnA, Chas, KFG, put your name here) but I do not in any way see them as the “Enemy”. I see them as fellow Americans, people I disagree with sure, but when the shit hits the fan I know that we are Americans and believe in the principles of this country. That is where we very in principle BlueJay….and that is extremely sad.

  138. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Uh yeah “Auntie” James.

    YOU did not show up when Steven met James. And you were invited.
    ——
    I was HONEST and told you up front I had no desire to meet your goofy ass. Said it from the begining. Same holds true today.

  139. Regular
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Isn’t that precious, Junior wants to hide behind his kid.

  140. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    BJ-”You could not have known that Steven would ask me at the last minute not to attend.”

    Again, I was HONEST and told you up front I had no desire to meet your goofy ass. Said it from the begining. Same holds true today. You instigated the whole deal and chastised myself and others to show and yet you did not show up yourself.

  141. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    jimmymac,

    So when are you going to post the science classes that you took (in the 1970’s?) while getting your Industrial Hygiene degree?

    Isn’t that why you believe that you are more qualified than all of the peer-reviewed, published climate scientists worldwide?

  142. BlueJay
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    We can meet at your house if you like James.

    Except you have to get “Boxlock” and “Anti” there too.

  143. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Again, I was HONEST and told you up front I had no desire to meet your goofy ass. Said it from the beginning. Same holds true today. You instigated the whole deal and chastised myself and others to show and yet you did not show up yourself.
    Get help J R, you need it bad.

  144. ANTI
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    BlueJay, please reread:

    The thing is “BlueJay”, I disagree with many of the Lib posters (C3PO, CapnA, Chas, KFG, put your name here) but I do not in any way see them as the “Enemy”. I see them as fellow Americans, people I disagree with sure, but when the shit hits the fan I know that we are Americans and believe in the principles of this country. That is where we very in principle BlueJay….and that is extremely sad.

  145. cosmos_originally
    Posted May 24, 2008 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    jimmymac (aka ‘Regular‘),

    We are all still waiting for you to explain what makes you more qualified than all of the peer-reviewed, published climate scientists worldwide.

    It’s a very easy question. Why doesn’t jimmymac answer?

  146. StevenEDavis
    Posted May 26, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
    Chas, how about shutting your ministerial pie-hole when I’m addressing cosmos?

    The Wichita Eagle has already seen my credentials when I applied there for a job many years ago.
    **********
    From what I hear, Chas, they are still laughing their asses off. LOL…

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