Registered?
Commenting on WE Blog now requires you to be a Kansas.com member. Use the links above to register, if you haven't already, or to log in.Contact us
Follow us
Daily Archives
-
Recent Comments
- cosmos_originally on Open thread 11/8
- BlueJay on Open thread 11/8
- sursum on Open thread 11/8
- Regular on Death penalty review promised
- Regular on Open thread 11/8
- Monkeyhawk on Open thread 11/8
- okobserver on Open thread 11/8
- okobserver on Open thread 11/8
- American_Way on Open thread 11/8
- okobserver on Open thread 11/8
Open thread 5/17
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted May 17, 2008 at 6:01 a.m.
- Filed under Open thread
- Permalink
- Comments RSS
- Both comments and trackbacks are closed
326 Comments
Good Morning Editors and Wichita!!
Should be a good day for you all to do Riverfest!
Wish I was there to do Riverfest!
Happy Riverfest to all!
Please try to remember >>>>
“Although The Wichita Eagle is not responsible for the content of the comments on this blog and has no obligation to monitor them, it reserves the right to remove any comments that are:
threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable.
Please refrain from personal attacks and using other posters’ nicknames.
Report possible comment violations to weblog@wichitaeagle.com.”
This must be the year of the IRIS … the orchid like flower. They are blooming everywhere. I wonder if this has something to do with global warming or sunspots. Perhaps the earth is hurtling through a cosmic dust storm. Keep tuned to WE Blog for definitive answers.
IIRC Iris plants have blooming cycles… some years more prolific than others. One of my favorite uncles was once a big shot in the Wichita Iris Club… had LOTS of Iris’s!
What are Trackbacks, and why do we need them?
I did a yahoo search for “iris”. I found a vast site, full of information with a huge amount of types by picture, and name. It is well worth reading/visiting. It ended up being at “wikipedia”. Herbert West III, Candidate for Sheriff, Miami County Kansas, as of May 7th 2008. west.herb@yahoo.com
Kansans should thank their lucky stars that we have a governor that has remained above and beyond the special interest money Sunflower has been offering. Let’s not be so stupid to believe this does not exist.
If the people of Kansas wise up and support Governor Sebelius then Kansas will move forward economically. It is impossible for me to comprehend why some Kansans want to remain stuck in yesteryear. There is much more out for the entire state. Yes many many more jobs for the entire state that which makes our economy move forward.
The only reason Sunflower wants these coal plants is the billions in tax dollar welfare that accompanies the industry. What a waste of money that could be directed at college loans,Vo-Tech student financial assistance and public school education. Or developing a energy generation team that promotes economic growth throughout Kansas. NE Kansas residents are willing and able to purchase windpower from western Kansas. NE Kansans want to get rid of that very polluting coal plant that sits outside Lawrence,Kansas.
While demonstrating that renewable energy solutions are sustainable both environmentally and economically,the aim is to enact federal and state policies that support renewable energy, reduce barriers to the adoption of renewable technologies, and encourage all energy purchasers to use renewables.
Electric utilities continue to invest in conventional coal plants despite the fact that governments are moving to restrict the heat-trapping carbon dioxide emissions from such plants. The risks are both environmental and financial(high dollar).
Coal is simply no longer a healthy source for generating energy.
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/fossil_fuels/
Go with new generation that will produce a ton of new economic growth for families
throughout western Kansas rather to only the Holcomb area.
Rebuilding economies:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/renewing-americas-economy.html
There are thousands of new jobs attached to wind power,solar power, refined hydropower and geo thermal. It’s all available now. Why not go for it?
“There are thousands of new jobs attached to wind power,solar power, refined hydropower and geo thermal. It’s all available now. Why not go for it?”
===========================
Hear Hear!! I have been saying this for a good while… not just the jobs, but the opportunity to make big returns on investments in these Green industries!!
An email from Allan MacRae (Allan M. R. MacRae is a professional engineer, investment banker and environmentalist. He HAS worked for oil companies so bigots need read no further. Questioning the facts he presents would be far too difficult, obviously)
Climate is a complicated subject. However, we now know enough to be reasonably certain that man-made CO2 is NOT a significant or dangerous driver of global warming. Here some key facts:
Since ~1940 there has been a 900% INCREASE in human-made CO2 emissions and NO net global warming, as measured by our most reliable instrumentation. The average Lower Troposphere (LT) global temperature anomaly for January-April 2008 (inclusive) is +0.02 degrees C. There has been no net LT warming since ~1980, when such measurements began. We also know that global surface temperature (ST) declined slightly from ~1940 to ~1980.
We further know that CO2 lags temperature (CO2 trends occur after temperature trends) at all measured time scales.
This evidence leads to the following conclusions: Increased atmospheric CO2 is NOT a significant driver of global warming, and catastrophic human-made global warming does NOT exist.
The public is becoming aware of these facts – the recent electoral defeat of Ken Livingstone by Boris Johnson for Mayor of London is clear evidence of this shift in public awareness.
A Trackback is one of three types of Linkbacks, methods for Web authors to request notification when somebody links to one of their documents. This enables authors to keep track of who is linking, and so referring, to their articles. Some weblog software programs, such as Wordpress, Movable Type, Typo and Community Server, support automatic pingbacks where all the links in a published article can be pinged when the article is published. The term is used colloquially for any kind of Linkback.
A Trackback is an acknowledgment. This acknowledgment is sent via a network signal (ping) from the originating site to the receiving site. The receptor often publishes a link back to the originator indicating its worthiness. Trackback requires both sites to be Trackback enabled in order to establish this communication. Trackback does not require the originating site to be physically linked to the receiving site.
Trackbacks are used primarily to facilitate communication between blogs; if a blogger writes a new entry commenting on, or referring to, an entry found at another blog, and both blogging tools support the TrackBack protocol, then the commenting blogger can notify the other blog with a “TrackBack ping”; the receiving blog will typically display summaries of, and links to, all the commenting entries below the original entry. This allows for conversations spanning several blogs that readers can easily follow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackback
Good Morning, Linda!! :-) And thanks!!
Good morning, Chas.
A while back I asked the same question and no one answered. “THE” google is my friend. I have many questions, google has many answers.
Seems like a lot of the track backs on this Blog are pretty much worthless… Thats why I was curious!!
Some individuals or companies have abused the TrackBack feature to insert spam links on some blogs. This is similar to comment spam but avoids some of the safeguards designed to stop the latter practice. As a result, TrackBack spam filters similar to those implemented against comment spam now exist in many weblog publishing systems. Many blogs have stopped using trackbacks because dealing with spam became too burdensome.
same wiki link as above
I didn’t realize that Obama was into semantics. So Obama will NOT sit down with Hamas to talk because they are a terriorist ORGANIZATION, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.
But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.
And you wonder why I call him Neville?
The president didn’t refer to Obama, and yet he’s the one responding. Kinda like when you are in a crowded room and yell “Hey Stupid” just to see who turns and looks at you. LOL
So the president stands in a crowded room and yells “Hey Appeaser”. Guess who turned and looked. At least he’s being truthful in what he is.
I didn’t realize that Obama was into semantics. So Obama will NOT sit down with Hamas to talk because they are a terriorist ORGANIZATION, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.
But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.
And you wonder why I call him Neville?
The president didn’t refer to Obama, and yet he’s the one responding. Kinda like when you are in a crowded room and yell “Hey Stupid” just to see who turns and looks at you. LOL
So the president stands in a crowded room and yells “Hey Appeaser”. Guess who turned and looked. At least he’s being truthful in what he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW39nls8sTo
for the faithful
LOL Annie!! Now thats just plain funny!!!
Thanks for the great jump start to my day!!
Sure Gene — Isnt it too early to start off the day with a bunch of spinning talking points?? Why is it OK for Bush to send Secretary of State and Defense to talk to these people… But throw verbal jabs at Obama for saying he would do the same thing?? Hmmmm????
Let’s Tweak the Media: Obama to Campaign in 57 Islamic States
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051208/content/01125122.guest.html
May 12, 2008
Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only — Join Now!
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now? Want to participate in tweaking the Drive-By Media? You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, “Well, he’s tired.” You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and misspells potato, and we still get jokes about it. Barack Obama says he’s gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it’s been such a long campaign, he’s been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states. Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins. “Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights called combating –” yes, H.R., get ready for the phone calls up there.
We’re participating here in a tweak of the media. Obama said he’s going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. “Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states,” this is from the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And the title of the piece here is, “How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,” and there are 57 of them. So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen? Obama’s 57 states, not just a simple gaffe. He might have been thinking of the 57 Islamic states when he said he was going to campaign in all 57 states. (laughing) Can’t wait ’til the Drive-Bys hear about this.
Not that it makes a difference to you annie_moose, but not all Christians act like TV evangelists.
Bash much bigot?
http://www.iheu.org/node/2546
IIRC the Limbaugh quote of Obama leaves out two crucial words… campaign in all 57 States
and territories
You all might want to double check that one.
Regular
Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink
Not that it makes a difference to you annie_moose, but not all Christians act like TV evangelists.
=======================================
Hallelujah! for that!!
your right regular it makes no difference to me
bigot hmmm …. I think Chas is a great guy you not so much
annie_moose
Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
your right regular it makes no difference to me
bigot hmmm …. I think Chas is a great guy you not so much
————————–
cool, perhaps you two can embrace in a double lip lock later.
Hey Chas, I’m simply pointing out what I heard on air america yesterday. They played the clip about obama saying that he would NOT sit down and talk to a so called ORGANIZATION and would not appease them. But we’ve all heard him say that he would go and talk to Iran and appease them. I can only guess because they are a COUNTRY.
I mean really Chas, what is he going to say to them. Pull another Albright and Jimma moment. Okay N. Korea, we’ll give you all this money and aid but you must promise, not to start up your nuke project. We’re gonna set up these cameras and if you mess with them, we are gonna send you a VERY strong letter AND we’ll tell the UN and you’ll be in trouble. Of course if you do, we’ll just send you MORE money and aid and HOPE that will work.
What can Obama say. Well Mr. president of iran, what will it take for you to stop working on making a nuke. Give us your demands so that we may placate you.
Do you even know that before Hitler invaded Chechoslavkia, that Britain and France both went to Hitler and actually gave him a piece of paper and asked him to write down ALL of his demands of what he wanted to NOT invade Chechoslavkia?
I take it then that you would be okay with us abandoning Israel to placate Iran and Syria and Palestine and Al Quida?
You know thats a great idea. I mean sure they start ganging up on Israel and we back out.
Gee I wonder what Israel might do to protect themselves? Hmmm, gee I wonder if they might use their nuke capabilities.
But wait you say, the middle east countries would never do anything to Israel because they know what would happen. You know you are probably right, I mean a group of people willing to let their women and children blow themselves up just to stop Iraq from governing themselves would never do anything rash.
Of course what could be the problem with making most of the middle east glow.
I mean hey the US has got enough oil and oil drilling and refining capabilities for us to keep our economy going. I mean the 4.00 a gallon gas isn’t hurting us now is it. I’m sure our economy can handle 10 to 20 dollar a gallon gas just fine.
Of course we could just take the money from the oil companies. But then it wouldn’t be profitable for them to go out and find anymore new oil, now would it. So I wonder if they’d just stop looking.
What if one of Iran’s demands is that we stop allowing blatant homosexual activities in our country. I mean since there are NO homosexuals in Iran, I’m sure they have a problem with us having them. How would obama handle this. I think that might just dry up some of his money coming out of hollywood don’t you think?
Things that make you go hhmmmm.
Chas,
You fail to see what Rush is trying to illustrate in his above transcript.
How can Obama possibly be a good presidential candidate, when he doesn’t even know how many states there are in the US?
Or does this speak of his “foreign affairs experience” that he claims?
Any way, Rush was doing this tongue in cheek, but their certainly is some truth to it, don’t you agree?
I think that would be funny seeing that on SNL. Showing Obama talking saying how he has been to all 57 states and know what the people want. And then a few minutes later say that he has seen all the problems in the 63 states and knows what to do. And then that he knows what to do to take care of all the people in all the 84 states. Could be funny IMHO.
No American — Not if Limbaugh left off the two additional words that Obama said…
It makes Limbaugh out to be a Liar!
Obama seems to have said he would campaign in all 57 States and territories… Which would be an accurate statement, I believe…
Now, if we dont have 7 territories… then Obama’s writers have a problem… LOL
Well Chas we have 14 territories.
Chas,
You are the only one on this blog that seems to initially come out with “You are a liar, you are a liar”, if someone does not agree with you or you don’t agree with them.
Then you twist the words around to make it fit you.
Do you have a genetic dispositon for that or what?
You do it all the time!
Quote “Any way, Rush was doing this tongue in cheek, but their certainly is some truth to it, don’t you agree?”
An observation from the gas station.
Went to fill the tank on the honda hybrid for the first time in over two week.s WoW! Sticker shock.
When I finished fueling and as I was putting on the gas cap, another patron came over from his car and asked me if I had a couple of dollars. Panhandled at the gas station. At first my personal security kicked in and I examined my surroundings, who was in his car, and measured the threat level. (I didn’t know if this was going to be the first time to use my legally concealed handgun).
In the car, was a woman in the backseat sitting next to a small child in an infant seat. Broad daylight, lot’s of traffic, and station operator could clearly see the pumps. Reduced my threat meter to green. This was just someone who needed money, and clearly was not experienced at begging.
Of course, I don’t carry any cash, so I told him no and went on my way.
Driving home, listening to AM news radio, I heard another report that stealing gas was becoming popular again. Only this time, they are not just using sucking it out with hoses – they are actually drilling holes in the gas tanks!
We have a problem. I believe it is only going to get worse. There isn’t a compassionate answer or solution. This is theft and burglary. Stiffer enforcement and longer sentences to discourage this wreckless (and dangerous) behavior. Do I sound mean? Sorry, but think about it. Gas prices are not going to come down. In fact, they are going to go much, much higher.
Might as well begin thinking about a solution to this one. And BTW, I am not supporting a solution involving another government handout. We aren’t going to issue gas cards along with the WIC, free cheese, subsidized rent, and EIC advance payments. Again, not being mean, but that is not an option.
We need to discourage consumption. The supply is not going to get any better for a number of reasons.
Lastly, our federal politicians STILL do not get it. Their feel good legislation to stop filling the strategic reserve, to increase supply, only encourages MORE consumption. I also heard it will only reduce fuel costs by a portion of a penny a gallon. Short term, short sighted knee jerk reactions. No long term solution.
So what is the obama campaign saying? That he was refering to the territories or was he just tired. Which is it? Or he had a “quayle” moment and it is okay for us to drag it out the rest of the campaign and make jokes about it for the next 20 years. Its gotta be one of them.
But of course I’m refering to a Lib, so THEY are allowed to have it both ways.
Obama Goofs in Cape Girardeau
May 14, 2008
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051408/content/01125110.guest.html
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama was in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, yesterday. I watched the speech, watched his appearance, did not see all the Q&A. But we heard enough. Here is a portion of remarks made by Barack Obama in Rush Limbaugh country.
OBAMA: Right now, we don’t have enough troops, and NATO hasn’t provided enough troops because they are still angry about us going into Iraq. So we just don’t have enough capacity right now to deal with — and it’s not just troops, by the way. It’s like Arab — Arab — Arabic interpreters, Arab language speakers, we only have a certain number of them, and if they’re all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them, and — and obviously they may not speak Arabic, but the various dialects that they speak in Afghanistan, oftentimes people who speak Urdu or Pashtun or whatever the languages are, they’re going to be needed in those areas, and a lot of them have ended up being placed elsewhere. So we’ve got to focus on Afghanistan.
RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, what you just heard was the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee wandering aimlessly in desperate hope for a cogent thought. His point was, he was trying to tell these people in his audience in Cape Girardeau yesterday that our foreign policy is all screwed up because every asset that we need to actually win the war against Islamofascists is in Iraq, and that’s a phony war, it shouldn’t have happened, we don’t even have any Arabic translators for Afghanistan. And then he quickly realized, wait a minute, they don’t speak Arabic there, oh, God, what am I going to do, then he makes up a couple languages that they speak, but then he said, we need some Arabic translators there because you never know who is there. They speak Dari and Pashto in Afghanistan. I have been there. Afghans do not speak Arabic. Now, this is from the guy who said he’s visited 57 states. This is the guy who, by the way, when he was on the floor of the US Senate yesterday was not wearing his American flag lapel pin. When he showed up in Cape Girardeau, he was wearing his American flag lapel pin.
Now, here’s the thing about this. Nobody would be making a big deal of it other than he started it. He made a big point of telling everybody why he was not going to wear the flag pin after 9/11 because he wanted to show real patriotism, patriotism ideas, not the patriotism of symbols. So he brought it up so people started paying attention to it. And a lot of people said, “Come on, there’s other things about Obama that we can talk about. Let’s not mess around the flag pin business, that’s not going to get us anywhere.” But now he takes it off, now he takes it on, depending on where he is, he puts it on depending on where he is, he takes it off. On the floor of the Senate, doesn’t want the flag pin on, probably doesn’t want his Democrat buddies to see it, but when he gets on Cape Girardeau in a Republican district, swing state, bammo, time to put the flag pin back on. I’m just telling you, if this guy were Dan Quayle, can I channel Geraldine Ferraro? If Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago. Now, Democrats keep telling us that George W. Bush is an idiot, and a lot of Democrats think that George W. Bush is an idiot because he can’t speak, he can’t articulate. Here’s Obama. Let’s listen to this again. Audio sound bite number five. Here’s Obama without a teleprompter. You tell me if what you’re hearing is a man with gravitas.
OBAMA: Right now, we don’t have enough troops, and NATO hasn’t provided enough troops because they are still angry about us going into Iraq. So we just don’t have enough capacity right now to deal with — and it’s not just troops, by the way. It’s like Arab — Arab — Arabic interpreters, Arab language speakers, we only have a certain number of them, and if they’re all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them, and — and obviously they may not speak Arabic, but the various dialects that they speak in Afghanistan, oftentimes people who speak Urdu or Pashtun or whatever the languages are —
RUSH: Pashto.
OBAMA: — they’re going to be needed in those areas, and a lot of them have ended up being placed elsewhere. So we’ve got to focus on Afghanistan.
RUSH: Wow! Now, there’s a giant intellect on parade. That, ladies and gentlemen, is an intimidating intellect. There, I guess, is the gravitas that the Democrats keep telling us George W. Bush lacks. Forty percentage points, Hillary Clinton wins in West Virginia by 40 percentage points, and the Drive-By Media today is just ripping its hair out: Why won’t she quit? Why won’t she quit for the good of the party? Why won’t she get out? Drive-Bys, she’s not doing this for you. Drive-Bys, what’s the big deal with the party? Are you a member of the Democrat Party? I thought you guys were objective and all that. What do you care what happens to the Democrat Party? Why won’t she get out? They’re also upset that their guy can’t close the deal. Sit around and say that all these Republicans are voting against McCain in the primaries, which they are, how about all these Democrats voting against Obama since February 22nd, Drive-Bys? Why don’t you tell us about that?
(playing of Every Little Thing She Does is Tragic)
The newspaper in my hometown of Cape Girardeau, Missouri, ran a story today on the Barack Obama visit to Cape Girardeau. Headline: “Candidate’s Visit Draws Supporters, Curious to Thorngate Lot.” That’s the manufacturing plant. “Dozens and dozens of people milled around in the parking lot and –” dozens and dozens? For a presidential candidate? (interruption) Hey, look, H.R. — he just said, “Hey, it’s your hometown.” There are a lot of Democrats in that town. You wouldn’t believe, I get some of the most hateful letters to the editor written about me in my hometown paper, you wouldn’t believe it. They have this section called Speak Out. My North Carolina mistress sends me all this stuff. Oh, some of the most vicious anti-Rush Limbaugh letters to the editor are to be found not just in the Palm Beach Post here, but in my hometown paper. Plenty of Democrats there. But only dozens and dozens show up to see the new Democrat Party’s messiah?
And, of course, the Southeast Missourian goes out and talks to some of these people. “Van Ayers, Nancy Caldwell Ayers, stood in line waiting for a security check before entering Thorngate. They said they came to see the next president of the United States. Another guy, Billy Curry, 41, ‘Yeah, I just came here to get a glimpse. I’ve never voted in a presidential election before, but I’m going to do it this year.’ Kim Baker, who owns Bootheel Cash just a block away from Thorngate,” I have no idea what that is, Bootheel Cash. “She closed her shop to take her daughter, Savannah, and an employee, Tempest Southall, to wait in the parking lot. ‘Nah, not that we’re supporters of Barack, but if he becomes president, my daughter, I thought she needs to possibly see him. She has seen George W. Bush.’” And the last person they talked to Betty Michel, “We want Obama to know that he does have friends down in southeast Missouri and Cape Girardeau, and phooey on Rush Limbaugh.”
END TRANSCRIPT
But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.
generaston just to add to your post – Iran has been caught red handed supplying arms to the terror organizations on the gaza strip. Iranian flagged ships loaded with assault rifles, mortars, bombs, and ammunition. Traced back to Iran and Irans government (they hide behind two governments: political muslim/religious muslim).
Iranian arms also traced to the terrorists in Lebanon. Also linked arms flow via Syria to Lebanon, via the Bekka Valley terror camps. When the democratically elected leaders in Lebanon get blown up and shot – the Lebanese people rioted burning Syrian and Iranian flags. They know the deal.
Iran is clearly a terrorist state.
That said – it is time to cut off all foreign aid to the middle east and the world for that matter. Not our job to be policemen nor to fund their governments.
Sounds like Sen. Kennedy had a stroke this morning and has been airlifted to Mass General. No real word yet on his condition.
Strokes are just horrible. Cruel, really.
Cant wait for the wingnuts to pile on this one.
Show us who you really are, wingnuts!
Current U.S. Territories
Guam
Northern Mariana Islands (commonwealth)
Puerto Rico (commonwealth)
United States Virgin Islands
American Samoa
Marshall Islands
District of Columbia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States#Classification_of_current_U.S._territories
Missed a few Chas
American Samoa
Baker Island
Guam
Howland Island
Jarvis Island
Johnston Atoll
Kingman Reef
Midway Islands
Navassa Island
Northern Mariana Islands
Palmyra Atoll
Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Hope it is not a serious stroke kfg. Hope Senator Kennedy gets well fast and recovers.
Hud — IF you read that web site, and not just wanted to post something different to be obnoxious, you would see that I already listed American Samoa and Guam in my list…
The web site clearly states that the rest of those in your list, are UNinhabited…. The seven I listed, plus 50 States, should show you that Obama maybe could have said what he said a little better… but he didnt say it wrong, since he did say 57 states “and territories”
As I stated earlier, RUSH left out “and territories” Why??? I dont know… but having heard rush over the years, probably just because he could get mileage from the Right Wing… LOL
+++ Blessings on Senator Kennedy +++
CNN now says Kennedy is under evaluation, at Mass. General…
Is that all Rush has? Pitiful. Ya gotta give the guy (Rush) credit. He just keeps going and going and going… Too bad he doesn’t just go so far that he falls off the edge.
American_Way,
Was that the same panhandler you saw at the same gas station the last time you posted the same story? Hey, at least you’re recycling!
“CNN reported Kennedy was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital with symptoms of a stroke…”
I sincerely hope he is okay for his sake and his family’s, but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again. Have they checked that yet?
Does this administration even know what Neville Chamberline (sp) did in 1938? You see, if we knew what Neville did that was appeasing, then we could check to see if Obama is doing that. That way we could decide for ourselves if Obama is appeasing or not. Also we could decide whether McCain was appeasing in 2006 or not. Do I need to ask it 15 times before I get some type of Czechoslovokia answer, like Chris Matthews had to? No, wait, my mistake, Matthews finally got an “I don’t know” answer.
Now do I chuckle or chortle?
Annie,
Thanks for the link and a glorious laugh! I feel blessed now. :)
On Gay Rights.
Every person in this country has better rights and privileges than any other country in the world!
I respect every person in this country, as it is deserved.
Some would say you have to earn respect, but I believe that basic respect should be given to all as a human being, until such time as you show me otherwise and I loose that respect.
You have the right to pursue happiness and work for a good living to support yourself and your family. This work for a good living is the pursuit of gainful employment based upon your gifts and talents and/or training to be gainfully employed by a company or to work for yourself. I do not see employment as a “right” (as in guaranteed just because you exist) to be given to all, but something to be gained by working towards it.
The level of living has done nothing but go up in the last 200 years.
But rights and privileges can only go so far and be beneficial to society.
If gays did not want to push their “rights” to be gay upon everybody else, they would not be in the place that they are today.
They only have themselves to blame for their current status. If they had kept their lifestyles behind closed doors, (but that in itself would not bring approval, and it would not be demanding endorsement and approval from society) we as a society would not be directly involved as much with it.
They then could still get employment, healthcare, etc. But, these are not rights either, but earned privileges, as some may believe.
But, no, they want special “rights” to be approved and accepted by society, even to the point of being married and having “children” and gain all the benefits (not rights) of being heterosexual.
Now mind you, the failure of heterosexual marriages, and/or the effect co-habitation outside of marriage, have certainly had an affect on this, as well as the effect of both parents working and children dealing with broken marriages, born out of wedlock, etc.
Do I expect an overall positive response to what I am saying?
No!
I believe that we, as a nation, have lost the meaning of freedom, rights, and priveleges.
Freedom is a given, coupled with responsibility and justice tempered with mercy.
You have the right to pursue that freedom, no matter WHO you are. This is a given.
You have the right to free speech, as long as it does not involve slander or libel.
You have the right to move about freely, up to the point that you are harming society or yourself.
You have the right to worship God freely.
Privileges are earned by working towards them.
Privileges should not be a given to anyone.
“ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
Sounds like Sen. Kennedy had a stroke this morning and has been airlifted to Mass General. No real word yet on his condition.
Strokes are just horrible. Cruel, really.
Cant wait for the wingnuts to pile on this one.
Show us who you really are, wingnuts!”
I am very sorry to hear that Ted had a stroke. It can be very dibilitating (sp). Hopefully he will regain all of his faculties.
Not that I think drinking is the answer, but if I was Ted Kennedy, I’d hide in a bottle, too. Just how many of you have watched your two brothers be shot and killed on national news? The history of the Kennedy family is one example of how money doesn’t buy happiness. The Kennedy Curse continues.
Worlds highest fuel prices: May 6th, 2008
Rank Country Price/dollar Percent
gallon US Avg
1 Eritrea $9.58 278%
2 Norway $8.73 253%
3 United Kingdom
$8.38 243%
4 Netherlands
$8.37 243%
5 Monaco
$8.31 240%
6 Iceland $8.28 240%
7 Belgium $8.22 238%
8 France $8.07 234%
9 Germany
$7.86 227%
10 Portugal $7.84 227%
108th United States
$3.45 100%
Fuel taxes vary between 50 percent and 75 percent across Europe.
Fuel taxes vary in the US, but together Federal and State excise taxes on fuel account for an average cost of approximately 62 cents per gallon. Fuel tax nationally averages aprox 18 percent.
(Kansas fuel tax .43 cents. Combines State .25 cents plus federal .18 cents. So the fuel tax in Kansas is approximately 12%.) Using the 3.45 per gallon.
LLTVET
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
Does this administration even know what Neville Chamberline (sp) did in 1938? You see, if we knew what Neville did that was appeasing, then we could check to see if Obama is doing that. That way we could decide for ourselves if Obama is appeasing or not. Also we could decide whether McCain was appeasing in 2006 or not. Do I need to ask it 15 times before I get some type of Czechoslovokia answer, like Chris Matthews had to? No, wait, my mistake, Matthews finally got an “I don’t know” answer.
Now do I chuckle or chortle?
————————————-
Obama’s name was not used in President Bush’s speech, so why did Obama respond?
The best answer I found was in an editorial. When some one shouts “hey stupid!” in a crowd do you turn around or do you look to see who turns around?
Obama turned around.
I agree with most of what you say American. Given the context of the homosexual debate in the past 2 days (surrounding marriage) Is marriage a right, a freedom or a privilege?
If a freedom, great. Homosexuals may end up with the responsibility of child support, alimony etc. I’m sure they wouldn’t object to that stipulation. KFG, do I presume too much by saying that?
If a right, Kansas law is unconstitutional.
If a privilege, how can a heterosexual couple lose their privilege to be married if they both wish to stay married?
“Boxlock
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink
“but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again. Have they checked that yet?”
Uncalled for and callous.
Get out and enjoy this beautiful day, WEBloggers! I’ll check back later to see if there’s been any bodily harm done to anyone. I’m off to stake out a spot for my family (there’s 10 of us this year!) on the riverbank where we’ll enjoy this afternoon and evening’s entertainment.
I don’t know why Obama responded Regular? Ask him. I just want to know what this president considers appeasing. That way I can choose between Obama and McCain. Who appeases less?
“Predestined
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink
Not that I think drinking is the answer, but if I was Ted Kennedy, I’d hide in a bottle, too. Just how many of you have watched your two brothers be shot and killed on national news? The history of the Kennedy family is one example of how money doesn’t buy happiness. The Kennedy Curse continues.”
No one brought up drinking besides Boxlock.
What was originally posted had to do with a stroke. Why make it more?
I don’t agree with Ted Kennedy, but shouldn’t we be concerened for him and not wish him ill will?
In England they pay over $8.00 per gal. of gas. Our gasoline is actually cheap.
http://www.slate.com/id/2191491/
Saudis ignore Bush on his request for increased output of oil:
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/404649.html
Well Farm lady,
Perhaps, just maybe, your perception of conservatives doesn’t match reality.
However, whenever a republican or conservative is ill will you acknowledge the hate and vitriol from moveon.org,the demunderground, huffington post, et al?
Perhaps the pig squeals before she’s poked!
“Boxlock” sincerely posts about Sen. Kennedy –
“I sincerely hope he is okay for his sake and his family’s…”
And I, just as sincerely, believe you “Boxlock.” Until you just couldn’t resist adding –
“…but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again.”
Real classy, “Boxlock.”
I’ll keep that in mind when they cart Bob Dole off to the hospital with something like, “Maybe he OD’d on Viagra and experienced an errection lastinig more than four hours!” Is that tacky enough for your taste?
Or when Dick Cheney suffers his next (6th, right?) heart attack, I can chime in with, “Heart attack?! What heart?!”
Think of all the opportunities I’ve missed, not realizing what passes for witty repartee in your book. Back when Arlen Specter was going though chemotherapy, I could have pulled out a lot of skinhead jokes and you’d've been delighted! Hey, get this: “The only reason George WMD Bush gave up gold is that he found out it wasn’t a Special Olympics sport!”
Or, “Hey, have you seen the Walter Reed hospital room of that blinded Iraq veteran? Neither has he!!!”
Hey, you can book me to entertain at all your Republic Party gatherings. I promise not to ask you to tip the servers, since you’re Republicans and all.
Sincerely…
Stuck on fuel.
Revenues from Europe’s high gas taxes are used to fund a variety of things. One thing they have built is better public transportation. The people living in Europe and much of Asia drive smaller more fuel efficient vehicles and use public transportation extensively. Consumption throughout Europe is down. Productivity and GDP is growing in Europe and many of these countries have more social programs and strong economies.
Lesson learned: We need to RAISE the federal fuel tax. (yep, a conservative posting this is Blasphemy!)
The revenue generated could be used for a variety of national programs.
On the green side:
- Fund energy research
- Fund mass transportation (rail and bus)
- Fund cleanup/EPA projects
- Build a national refinery
- Provide tax incentives for high MPG cars
- Repair/build Road, bridges, commuter rail, rail
- Endless list
On the social side:
- Provide health insurance for 15 million
- Pay down the national debt
- Provide low income mass trans discounts
- Again endless, but strict limited control
The US should raise the the federal tax one dollar. $1.62 per gallon. This would put the percentage just under 50%.
Hurt? Yes initially.
But look at the good long term solutions:
1. Consumption would drop
2. More fuel efficient vehicle sales
3. Less gas guzzling vehicle sales
4. In place mass transportation systems
5. Less national debt
6. Health insurance for those without
7. Cleaner environment & less CO2 emmissions
8. Stronger economy better infrastructure
9. Nation prepared for no oil less oil
The alternative is to put our collective heads in the sand and keep looking at short term solutions for today.
Like stopping deliveries to the Strategic Oil Reserve. Please.
Actually Steven,
Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.
When gas approaches $6 a gallon here people will start throwing rocks at politicians that embrace the AGW BS.
Gas pries will eventually come down here, when they peak I’ll buy the Humvee I’ve always wanted!
American_Way,
Some of what you posted sounds good.
Yes, Europe uses more mass transit.
But their economies are doing worse off than ours, alot due to the dollar, but also due to all of their entitlements.
Europes unemployment is much greater then ours.
Trust our government to do all of this with increased gas taxes?
I don’t know.
I just love it, “Regular,” when you Cons feign naivete’ with stuff like –
“Obama’s name was not used in President Bush’s speech, so why did Obama respond?”
Simultaneously, the Right Wing Slime Machine was on Limbaugh, Faux News, and all the wingnut blogs railing about “appeasement.”
It was a coordinated attack. So obvious as to be beneath the used-to-be vaunted Rovian spin mechanism.
Go to Israel and conjure up images of Hitler.
Really subtle. Really classy.
And it’s really ironic. Now John McSame is inextricably joined-at-the-hip with Shrub’s Mid-East policies! Now that’s a winning strategy!
Yeah Monkeyhawk, there is no history with Hitler and the Jewish people that live in Israel. Bush was just babbling incoherent to bring up a matter of history that had nothing to do with Jews.
Naivete’, I think not. A Junior Senator from Illinois suddenly has become an authority on Foreign Policy.
I not the one who is naive here.
OK –
Sec’y State goes to Mid East and talks to Iran and Hammas — Bushco says thats good!!
Sec’y Defense goes to Mid East and talks to Iran and Hammas — Bushco says thats good!!
Obama says when he is President he will go to Mid East and talk to Iran and Hammas — Bushco calls that appeasing…
What is wrong with this picture??
And what, pray tell, is Bush’s vast knowledge and experience on foreign policy??
“American” imparts this bit of “wisdom” with –
[Europe's] “…economies are doing worse off than ours, alot {sic} due to the dollar….”
WHAT?!
The Euro is killing the dollar!
The Europeans just got a Pentagon tanker deal because they could deliver more airplane for the
dollarEuro precisely because their economy is booming and the Shrub economy is tanking.Look. If you’re gonna lie, at least try.
Consumer sentiment lowest since Carter/Reagan years. I knew bush could beat them.
Thinking must be if the Rovian terrorist fear strategy worked twice, it’ll work three times. If it works keep doing it!
Six dollars a gallon, and six dollars will get you a hamburger in Europe, hold the fries.
“Regular” claims –
“I not the one who is naive here.”
I’ll grant you that, “Regular.” You haven’t advanced to “naive” yet. You’re stuck in stupid.
Perhaps the greatest (and only) diplomatic achievement of the George WMD Bush Administration has been his negotiations with Muammar al-Gaddafi which restored diplomatic realations with the US and Libya.
John Sidney McCain the Third has advocated negotiation with Hamas. (Or, at least, he was for it before he was against it.)
No, “Regular.” You’re gonna have to do a lot of homework to get yourself close enough into reality to achieve “naive” status.
Good luck with that.
At least we still get the fries for $6!! LOL
Oh yea, and a medium drink too!!
Bush has two wars under his foreign policy belt, quagmired in both.
Phantom, he does NOW — He didnt when he was first elected…
HLP
Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
Actually Steven,
Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.
**********
Thanks, Hank. My source was the Slate article. The era of very cheap gas is over in the U.S. of A. I do have to wonder if the Saudis would have listened to Bush if he were not a lame duck?
They pay 50 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia. I heard about a couple of teachers who were moving to Qatar (?spelling) where they will pay about 70 cents a gallon for gas. But you’d have to live in those countries to get those low prices. I don’t think it would be worth it.
Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.
Hank? Are you sure those numbers are correct?
My math sucks, but here goes:
1 gallon US = 3.7854178 liters
1.3 pounds per liter
So
I’d take 1.3 pounds x 3.7854178 liters to get a gallon. That would mean the pounds it would take to equal a gallon = 4.9210431
1 British pound = 1.9542 U.S. dollars
So
4,9210431 x 1.9542 = $9.62 for one gallon.
What am I missing?
2006 Interview with John McCain. “I can understand why the Bush administration won’t talk to them (guess who) but this is the new reality” That is not an argument on how McCain may supposedly “appease”
Please draw the distinctions between that interview and what Barack Obama says. Aside from the fact that Obama clearly stated that he WONT talk to (guess who)
While your at it draw the distinctions between Obama speaking with Iran and; Nixon speaking with China, Kennedy with USSR, Reagan with USSR, Rumsfeld with Hussein, (ok, that one was just being a smart A**) Please give me the distinctions.
BTW, my source for my earlier post was a recent CNN/MONEY website article. May 6th prices.
American_Way
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:56 am
Rank Country Price/dollar Percent
gallon US Avg
3 United Kingdom
$8.38 243%
For LLTVET,
Read “Munich; Prologue to Tragedy” by J.w. Wheeler-Bennett.
If you can’t match that up with Obama, then you ain’t trying.
MoneyHawk,
I am still waiting…………..
Tick, tock, tick, tock………….
AmWay, you’ve made an excellent argument for increasing the gas tax to fund mass transit.
As you point out, the current price of gas in the US is 1/2 the price they pay in Europe. All the Libs here admire and revel at the wunnerful Socialist system they have in Europe.
Now is exactly the right time to take another step toward that great European Socialist model.
Your plan AmWay will:
- Encourage a reduction in the burning of fossil fuels, moving people toward mass transportation.
- Thus less burning of gas will help solve the global warming problem, and we need to act immediately or the world will soon be in flames.
- Help the Lib Global Warming Alarmists put their money where their mouths are, that is, through conservation we can solve Global Warming and the Energy crisis at the same time.
- Making the US less dependent on foreign oil will improve the strategic defense of the US, making us less vulnerable to OPEC boycots. Plus, we can get our troops out of the mideast and let the sand jockeys drown in their oil which we will no longer need to buy.
- The gas tax will help pay for the mass transportation.
- Being forced into riding with our neighbors in mass transportation settings will improve human relations.
- With joy riding in cars eliminated, teen pregnancy and abortions will be reduced.
- The benefits are endless AmWay!
Great plan! I have no idea why the Libs keep btiching about high gas prices. It’s exactly what we need! And Al Gore himself proposed higher gas taxes 10+ years ago!
Let’s do it now!
Effective 7/1/2008, the US Federal gas tax shall be raised from 18.4 cents/gallon to 518.4 cents/gallon.
The avg price of gas will then be in the range of $8.50/gallon, just what they now get to pay in Europe!
Oh, and thru conservation, there will be:
- No need for more oil drilling in the US!
- No need for more nuke reactors!
- No need for nasty coal!
Happy Days are Here Again!
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
“Regular” claims –
“I not the one who is naive here.”
I’ll grant you that, “Regular.” You haven’t advanced to “naive” yet. You’re stuck in stupid.
Perhaps the greatest (and only) diplomatic achievement of the George WMD Bush Administration has been his negotiations with Muammar al-Gaddafi which restored diplomatic realations with the US and Libya.
John Sidney McCain the Third has advocated negotiation with Hamas. (Or, at least, he was for it before he was against it.)
No, “Regular.” You’re gonna have to do a lot of homework to get yourself close enough into reality to achieve “naive” status.
Good luck with that.
—————————-
So in your own quaint way, you’re admitting that you were wrong when Bush brought up Hitler in the Jewish state of Israel.
Or please convince me that you are not completely out of touch with reality.
Monkey,
Glad I could provide you with the excuse you were looking for to say what you been waiting to say all along. And that’s the truth!
“I’ll keep that in mind when they cart Bob Dole off to the hospital with something like, “Maybe he OD’d on Viagra and experienced an errection lastinig more than four hours!” Is that tacky enough for your taste?
Or when Dick Cheney suffers his next (6th, right?) heart attack, I can chime in with, “Heart attack?! What heart?!”
Think of all the opportunities I’ve missed, not realizing what passes for witty repartee in your book. Back when Arlen Specter was going though chemotherapy, I could have pulled out a lot of skinhead jokes and you’d’ve been delighted! Hey, get this: “The only reason George WMD Bush gave up gold is that he found out it wasn’t a Special Olympics sport!”
Or, “Hey, have you seen the Walter Reed hospital room of that blinded Iraq veteran? Neither has he!!!”
Hey, you can book me to entertain at all your Republic Party gatherings. I promise not to ask you to tip the servers, since you’re Republicans and all.”
I hope he is okay and recovers from whatever is going on…they don’t even know as yet, but the truth is he is a drunk, and he killed a young woman while drinking and has never expressed his responsibility for that or that he ran to protect himself.
Max,
Will you check my math above, in response to Hank’s
post.
CNN/Money gave me the UK price for gas in gallons.
But Hank says it’s less than $6 bucks.
Since I’m just a dumb ole retired jarhead, and Hank
actually had the ASVAB scores to make it into the sub fleet, I hate to disagree with him.
(Marines only had to spell their first names correctly. The navy required full first, middle, and last name.)
“Monkeyhawk
Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
“American” imparts this bit of “wisdom” with –
[Europe’s] “…economies are doing worse off than ours, alot {sic} due to the dollar….”
WHAT?!
The Euro is killing the dollar!
The Europeans just got a Pentagon tanker deal because they could deliver more airplane for the dollar Euro precisely because their economy is booming and the Shrub economy is tanking.
Look. If you’re gonna lie, at least try.”
MoneyHawk,
What are the sales of Airbus products based upon?
In Euros or the US Dollar?
What are the sales of most world products based upon?
Th US Dollar?
Pardon my understatement above, just read this on a blog.
In UK it is a very relaxed lifestyle. It’s beautiful…Trust me, I live there.
Things are more expensive compared to America. The American Dollar is 75 or 80 cents. Not very much.
On average, a coca-cola costs $4 american dollars.
So…It’s expensive.
But it’s worthwhile.
I’ve traveled almost all over Europe, it’s delightful and lovely.
Have a good trip there!
So hold the hamburger and fries, just give me the cola!
VET — There are no distinctions… it’s all smoke and mirrors to try to swift boat Obama into looking like an Islamic sympathier…
gener. Looks like I can match it up to 2006 McCain as well. Without much effort.
Oh, we NEED Government intervention to raise gas prices and encourage mass transportation.
The Capitalist Market doesn’t work, everybody knows that.
And people don’t do what we want them to do Unless we get the Government to force them to do it.
Mass transit use is already up in the US with gas at $3.50/gal. Just think, we can get the Government to force everybody to ride the bus/train!
That’s what Freedom is all about!
American
MoneyHawk,
I am still waiting…………..
Tick, tock, tick, tock………….
I’ll give you this also LLTVET. I have no idea what McCain has said in regards to Hamas or Iran. Since he is a complete RINO and got the nomination I have NOT paid attention to a thing he has to say. I going to write in Fred Thompson in the Primary this Tuesday.
I am just flinching, holding my nose and grabbing my wallet at the thought of ANY of these three becoming president.
However please go to a used bookstore and try and find the book I pointed out earlier. It was originally released in 1948 and from what I’ve heard from Obama, and dealing with our enemies, it really is frightening the similarities.
American_Way
Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
Max,
Will you check my math above, in response to Hank’s
post.
—————————————————
I’m no good at math AmWay, maybe Chas can do it.
Besides, I’m going over to Europe next month, so I’ll just look at the pump and post back here.
Let’s see, if the Income tax increases from 10% to 11%, that must be a 1% increase!
Gas where I am today is $3.89/gallon $3.50 would look like a miracle here!! LOL
AmWay, we’re gonna need a big Federal Tax on natural gas and electricity too!
“MaxGrobnik
Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Oh, we NEED Government intervention to raise gas prices and encourage mass transportation.
The Capitalist Market doesn’t work, everybody knows that.
And people don’t do what we want them to do Unless we get the Government to force them to do it.
Mass transit use is already up in the US with gas at $3.50/gal. Just think, we can get the Government to force everybody to ride the bus/train!
That’s what Freedom is all about!”
So how to you propose that the government force the above? Othere than increasing the price of gas?
Alot of companies are on the edge now and they would be gone.
Doesn’t sound like freedom to me at all.
Sounds more like socialism.
AmWay, your math looks pretty close… when in doubt, use the calculator on your puter!!
I can’t remember the gas price Chas, cause Hillary usually fills up my tank for me.
Hey American Way,
Your math was correct, my numbers are wrong. However, gas is less than $6 a gallon in the UK. However, inflation is worse there than here.
American,
Socialism is a good thing! Haven’t you been reading my posts here and the other Lib posts here?
Of the People, By the People, and For the People.
We all need to share, and help each other. What better way then to use the Government to Force us to conserve and share our limited energy resources, then to have a massive tax increase?
Drivers braced for more petrol price rises
Daily Mail
16 April 2008, 8:45am
Luke Bosdet of the Automobile Association said: ‘Every day is a record high. It just keeps on going up and up and up.’ He said prices were rising by about 1p every ten days. It now costs £54 to fill up a typical car. A litre of unleaded costs an average of 107.94p while diesel has hit 117.13p.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=440433&in_page_id=2
Notice the cost to fill a typical car? 54 pounds.
1 British pound = 1.9542 U.S. dollars
So it costs the equivalent of $105.52 dollars to fill a typical car in the UK as of 16 April.
Me thinks my math is better than Hanks.
But wish someone would correct me. (sort of unusual that no one has on this blog. Usually people are quick to correct others posts.)
Gas per gallon equivalent in U.K. I come up with $8.40/gallon
Calculations below
Constructs Used
100 pence = 1 british pound
1 pence = $0.19 dollar
3.79 liters per gallon
Exchange rate 1 pence = 0.0197 dollar
As of april 2008 gas (petrol prices in the U.K.)
current prices in U.K.
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuel/
Petrol112.6 p/litre
Diesel124.2 p/litre
==================================
Calculations
112.6pence/litre * 0.0197pence/dollar = 2.218litre/dollar
2.218litre/dollarx 3.79 liters/gallon = 8.40dollar/gallon
Gener: How is talking with anyone similar to signing the Munich Pact?
“MaxGrobnik
Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink
American,
Socialism is a good thing! Haven’t you been reading my posts here and the other Lib posts here?
Of the People, By the People, and For the People.
We all need to share, and help each other. What better way then to use the Government to Force us to conserve and share our limited energy resources, then to have a massive tax increase?”
Surely my detector of mocking spirits is going off right now, eh?
Ding, ding, ding, ding………..
Oh I forgot that the god Fed is the answer to all of our problems and all we have to do is set back and he will take (care) of us!
Was that take (care) or take care of us?
Hey Chas, I’m still waiting for a response to my 9:45 post. What is it that you think Obama will talk or ask of Iran when he sits down and talks to them. What do you think Obama will give or not give up to prevent Iran from going after nukes.
I’m serious here, what do you think would be Obamas goal. There is no right or wrong answer here. What do you think he should ask or not ask for. If you were president what would you be willing to give or not give.
Typical car in Europe has a 12-14 gal (equivalent) tank.
$105/12 gal = $8.75/gal
Chas, check my math.
Let’s see, a Fed Tax increase from 18.4 cents to 518.4 cents would be what percent increase?
500 cents!
Chas
Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink
“AmWay, your math looks pretty close… when in doubt, use the calculator on your puter!!”
LOL – first a guy would have to know HOW to use the calculator. Heck, I’m still shaky and sweating from trying to determine the correct formula’s and logic!
Obama will talk to Iran to plan how to make the US the 58th State.
Don’t All Religions Lead to God?
We live in a context of spiritual longing. Many people are searching for that which will satisfy an inner craving for meaning and significance. The artist Damian Hirst recently said this: “Why do I feel so important when I’m not? Nothing is important and everything is important. I do not know why I am here but I am glad that I am. I’d rather be here than not. I am going to die and I want to live forever, I can’t escape that fact, and I can’t let go of that desire.”
But somehow this does not always translate into people finding Christ and starting to follow him. There is a dizzying array of options when it comes to religion, and the culture around us says that they are all equally valid. It seems absolutely bizarre to people that someone would say, “This one way is the truth and the only truth.” The poet Steve Turner describes brilliantly what many think when it comes to religion: “Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammed, and ourselves. We believe he was a good teacher of morals but we believe that his good morals are really bad. We believe that all religions are basically the same, at least the one we read was. They all believe in love and goodness, they only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.”
In my experience, there are usually two motivations for dismissing the idea that Christ is the only way to God, and we need to examine them both. The first objection is that it is arrogant to say that Jesus is the only way. How could Christians possibly be so arrogant as to say that all the other religions are wrong and Jesus is the only path to God? Often the parable of the elephant is used to illustrate the sheer arrogance of Christianity. It goes something like this: “Three blind scribes are touching different parts of an elephant. The one who is holding the tail says, “This is a rope.” Another holding the elephant’s leg says, “This is not a rope; you are wrong. It is a tree.” Still another who is holding the trunk of the elephant says, “You are both wrong. It is a snake!” The moral of the story is that all religions are like these men. They each touch a different part of ultimate reality and therefore any one of them is arrogant to say they have the whole truth.
But take a step back and think about what is being said here. Do you see the breathtaking claim that is being made? Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Moses, and Muhammad are all blind, but in fact, I can see! These leaders all had a small perspective, but I am the one who sees the full picture. Now who is being arrogant? It is just as arrogant to say that Buddha, Muhammad, and Jesus were all wrong in their exclusive claims as it is to say that Jesus is the only way. The issue is not about who is arrogant, but what is actually true and real.
The second motivation in dismissing Christ is often a question of exclusion. How can you exclude all of these religions? Jesus may have said he was the way to the Father, but how can I follow him and become an intolerant person who excludes others? Again, we need to think carefully about this view because the reality is that whatever position we hold will exclude something. Even the person who believes that all ways lead to God excludes the view that only some ways lead to God or that only one way leads to God. Every view excludes something. Again, the issue is not about who is excluding people, but what is actually true and real.
Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me” (John 14:6). There are a number of possibilities here for why he might have said this, and exploring these possibilities is crucial. First, perhaps he was genuinely a good person but he was deluded. He was sincere, but he was wrong; he believed that he was the Son of God, but he wasn’t. In other words, he was mentally imbalanced. Or second, perhaps Jesus knew he wasn’t God but went around telling people that he was the only way to God regardless. In other words, he was a sinister character purposely telling lies. Or finally, perhaps Jesus was who he said he was. Perhaps he made these radical statements because they were true and real. In other words, he is indeed the only way to God.
Amy Orr-Ewing
http://www.rzim.org/GlobalElements/GFV/tabid/449/ArticleID/9898/CBModuleId/1133/Default.aspx
Now you got it American!
If ya can’t beat em, join em! It’s more fun on the dark side. You don’t have to work, or think, or do anything!
The “dark side” is unanimously agree on as the con side.
It’s dark under that desk.
I dont have a clue, Gene… I think he will talk about the nuclear power issue… I think he will have a very good translator with him, so that dialogue is actually possible…
Good friend of mine, who speaks Arabic told me the Iranian guy is not talking about BLOWING Israel off the map… but erasing the Israeli border lines… Poorly was translated as Wiping Israel off the Map…
In other words, he wants ISRAEL to re-define its borders with the Palestinians…
If you disagree with that, fine… I can only tell you what my Arabic speaking friend told me…
Naturally, our media had a field day with the mis-translation!! And it is evident that Bush is STILL having a field day with it!!
Ding, ding, ding, ding……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….plakduycfgguigkbgkl1111111111111 Brokt down……………………..
Like I said in my original post Max, American, and other conservatives: this is Blasphemy!
“BUT”, consider the alternatives. Are there any?
Plus, I made a big assumption here (and I know what assume means), that with the increase in federal fuel tax dollars, perhaps the government would not have to raise individual income taxes.
Perhaps the extra $1.00 per gallon federal tax would fund a wealth of social programs – and decrease the debt, which would negate the need for more revenue collected from individuals.
Perhaps the national healthcare social program could be dropped – my plan would fund health insurance for the true 15 million poor.
And since I favor a flat tax, or national consumption tax where everyone pays and everyone pays at the same rate – my proposal does not have any direct progressiveness. (although I support subsidized mass transportation expense for the poor).
Perfect? Far from it. Conservative? Probably not at all.
But I’ve yet to hear a better plan. (or any plan other than a “summertime gas tax break”, or the silly Tax Rebate.)
Serves me right for setting the gain too high on the liberal mocking voltage.
Oh well!
Time to buy a new one.
Hey,
When you assume something, does that make a L______ out of you and me?
Might explain evolution, AGW, etc., etc., etc………….
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Hey all,
See you soon.
I need to go and pursue my happiness by working for it!
Luego.
Acts 4:12
“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
American,
Sorry I couldn’t get back to you on the Kennedy drinking thing, but I was busy.
To address the elephant in the room is bad? It’s not a secret. Forgive me, but the Conservatives on this blog have continuously pointed out Ted Kennedy’s drinking, bad-mouthing him at any opportunity by bringing up his name when they need an extra punching bag.
I apologize to you and to the Senator for showing compassion. Do I need to announce I wish him good health? Okay. I pray for Senator Kennedy’s good health and continued service and life. And those are not just words.
American Way,
Did you see my calculations for price per gallon in the U.K. for Gas? at 1:24 pm ?
Hank may have been a submariner,
but Air Force > Navy Submariner. :D
1 John 5: 10-12
“The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.”
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ This is the true God and eternal life.
If we had continued to explore alternative energies as President Carter suggested 30 years ago, we would not be in this fix with high gas prices.
Too, the anti taxers are to blame. They would not support a fuel tax to subsidize small American oil. The stripper wells that dot many areas of the country became economically inviable as a result.
Once those wells were shut down, that source of domestic oil was lost forever.
It’s Republicans to blame for high gas prices. Their shortsightedness and greed will be paid for, as USUAL, mostly by the poor.
John 3:36
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Quoting fiction is easy.
MaxGrobnik
“AmWay, we’re gonna need a big Federal Tax on natural gas and electricity too!”
Be quiet Max. We don’t want to give them any MORE ideas.
My proposal on increasing the Federal Fuel Tax is strictly to control consumption. Immediate results,
happen to coincide with environmentalist and socialists.
I do not see where the consumer can make a big impact on electricity consumption (although there are steps and new ideas for residential homes already in place and coming out).
But electricity hasn’t been a concern, but it will go up if generation plants are using gas. Savings if we reduce consumption? Certainly. But I don’t see it being the big concern.
However, my plan would reduce consumption almost immediately, which would decrease fuel prices for some time as the two forces (supply/demand) work themselves out.
It also would hopefully cut the money ALL Americans are sending overseas to countries which hate us.
Stop funding the terrorists operations to kill us.
Trade deficit improvement?
Balance of trade?
Sounding more and more better the more I think about it.
John 8:23-24
And He was saying to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
They pay 50 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia. I heard about a couple of teachers who were moving to Qatar (?spelling) where they will pay about 70 cents a gallon for gas. But you’d have to live in those countries to get those low prices. I don’t think it would be worth it.
Steven,
I have to respectfully disagree. One of my sons-in-law is currently in Qatar. Granted, if he could choose, it would be UAE, but the pictures I’ve seen show a beautiful country. Wanna see blue, blue water? Try the Arabian Gulf. And everything is clean and pristine there. Here? Not so much. Why else would we need groups to go along the highways to pick up trash?
http://www.experienceqatar.com/
I prefer more trees and less sand, but I’m not so sure conditions are as bad as we might think they are. Like Dubai in UAE, Qatar is modern and growing rapidly. My s-i-l will be home in a few weeks. I’ll get his take on it.
Thanks for proving my point, boxlick. And laura bush has as many “suspicious” kills as Ted Kennedy. He wasnt charged, she wasnt charged. We’ve had this tit for tat, um, how many times? (big eye roll)
”
If a freedom, great. Homosexuals may end up with the responsibility of child support, alimony etc. I’m sure they wouldn’t object to that stipulation.”
It’s already here. We ALREADY have children and pay child support. We already pay “palimony” as well as “alimony”.
Just ask Billie Jean King and Martina Navratalova. And Liberace. And Rock Hudson. And the list could go on.
We already get all the responsibilities of marriage. We just dont get the more than 1000 benefits that come from civil marriage.
And civil unions were struck down this week as “separate but unequal”. So… it’s either civil unions for everyone, or marriage for everyone.
Which is how it always should have been.
We just have to see if this ruling stands, but I think it’s just a matter of time.
Regular
“Did you see my calculations…Hank may have been a submariner”
Yes thank-you (and Chas). I was sweating it. Sorta slow on the math, but it keeps my accuracy pretty high when I concentrate on it.
Slightly surprised by Hanks math. Those guys in the yellow submarines are usually pretty impressive when it comes to GT/IQ. I know the must have test scores at the top, and I personally know people who also served in subs. They go to a nuclear school that sounded more complicated that college. They are trained on all aspects of the ship, in order to solve problems on multiple systems quickly as a matter of life or death.
So again Hank scared me. Now I wonder who was doing the math on the guidance systems for all those nukes!
Did you see my post a few days ago to you on Marine versus sailor, soldier, airman?
“Marine” is always capitalized, and style books support this. This distinguishes it from the word “marine” as in “marine life”. However it is my own personal belief that the Capital “M” reflects the highest traditions of military service and is a sign of respect and acknowledgement by all, of the Marines as THE superior fighting force.
Also: I apologized to you a few days ago, along with Writer Dog too. Hope you catched that one.
caught. Geez.
“God is dead”
Nietsche
So me living my life openly is “Shoving it in your face”?
hehehehehheh.
And it’s OUR fault that when we refuse to live a lie it’s still legal in Kansas to fire us?
HEHEHEHEHHEHEHEEHHEH.
Typical blame the victim.
You might be a redneck republican if….
you say gay people want “special” rights.
Idiot.
Oh and john_stone? yer still insane….
Hank Price seems unable to understand the obvious.
* Being an “engineer, investment banker and environmentalist” does not make a person a scientist.
* Aerosols have masked global warming from human-added GHG’s, especially decades ago.
* Temperatures during “January-April 2008″ is too short of a time interval.
* CO2 lagged temperature rises in the past, because CO2 was not the initial trigger of the warming.
But the rising CO2 level caused more warming — it amplified what the initial cause started.
‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2
“Second, the idea that there might be a lag of CO2 concentrations behind temperature change (during glacial-interglacial climate changes) is hardly new to the climate science community.
Indeed, Claude Lorius, Jim Hansen and others essentially predicted this finding fully 17 years ago, in a landmark paper that addressed the cause of temperature change observed in Antarctic ice core records, well before the data showed that CO2 might lag temperature. In that paper (Lorius et al., 1990), they say that:
changes in the CO2 and CH4 content have played a significant part in the glacial-interglacial climate changes by amplifying, together with the growth and decay of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, the relatively weak orbital forcing “
Humans have cause CO2 and methane levels to rise higher than they’ve been for 800,000 years.
‘Greenhouse gases highest for 800,000 years’
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1440399320080514
“Greenhouse gases are at higher levels in the atmosphere than at any time in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of Antarctic ice on Wednesday that extends evidence that mankind is disrupting the climate.
…
“We can firmly say that today’s concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane are 28 and 124 percent higher respectively than at any time during the last 800,000 years,” said Thomas Stocker, an author of the report at the University of Berne.”
More, and graph of CO2, methane, and temperatures over the past 800,000 years (starts 1000 years from present)
‘Ice cores reveal fluctuations in the Earth’s greenhouse gases’
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/uoc-icr050808.php
Oh and btw, did I mention that I dont give a fat rat’s ass if you refuse to marry gays in your church? knock yerself out.
Rox,
Maybe I have an unjustified prejudice that Arab governments are more oppressive toward their citizens than non-Arab governments. I am calling this inclination a prejudice, because I don’t have first hand knowledge, nor any proof, per se. You might know better than me, but my bias is that womens rights are not good in those countries.
Steven — The Saudi’s were going to behead that one woman for doing something that shouldnt have even required an apology… let alone her head… I would say you dont have a prejudice, just the facts… :-)
KFG,
Do you think there is a “right” to polygamous marriages as well?
Damn. I’m away from WE Blog for a few minutes and come back to a “Nathaniel” bible-verse dump?
What brought that on.
Let’s forget for a moment that whenever someone the anointed prophet “Nathaniel” might disagree with cites scripture he accuses them of taking verse “out of context.” For it is the prophet “Nathaniel” who knows all, judges all, and is the sole arbiter of who is and who isn’t “Christian.”
“Forgive me, ‘Nathaniel,” for I have sinned….” Or would you prefer, “Hail, ‘Nathaniel,”
motherbrother(?) full of grace The Lord be with thee. Blessed are thou among….” Aw, forget it.No one’s gonna come up with adequate adoration of “Nathaniel” worthy of what he thinks he deserves.
“There is no God but Jesus and ‘Nathaniel’ is His only prophet….” Maybe that’s closer.
There’s the polygamy fallacy; next comes the animals… Geez…. how juvenile….
I see that MonkeyHock is back spewing his usual from his vomitorium dialect.
Chas,
If the issue is that “consenting” adults should be allowed to get married, then why is Polygmay a fallacy?
Are they not “consenting” adults who all wish to be married to one another?
Just got on here and saw something about Obama and 57 states and tried to check it out. I did not read all the post here. But did find the following:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/you-tube-video/
=================================================
HAS ANYONE DETERMINED IF HE SAID AND TERRITORIES?
=================================================
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html
“The Times’ conscientious Robin Abcarian thought she heard something different there. She checked her tape recorder. It had captured what he had actually said — 57 states now. A new Louisiana Purchase that’s gone unannounced so far? Was he channeling his inner John Kerry-Heinz 57 personality?
(UPDATE: At a later stop Obama was talking with reporters and expressed concern he’d also mis-stated the number of potential cyclone victims in Burma. He said, “”I hope I said 100,000 people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It’s a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh.” At that point, an aide cut him off and ushered journalists out. Before he could mis-speak again?)
Oh, and as far as Hawaii voters are concerned, they’re probably delighted to learn that Obama’s campaign staff doesn’t think that tiny state can justify an appearance by his eminence, even though he did a lot of growing up there. Or maybe because he was there.
Let’s see what they do with that in the Honolulu media, which the Republicans have probably already notifed.
Maybe it’s Obama’s age. He’s getting up there in his forties, you know.”
The biggest fallacy there is that you are not using the proper definition of polygamy… They are not married to “each other” — It is ONE person, married to multiple spouses… normally one male, married to multiple females… However, the females are not married to each other… Get it??
If you have a group of consenting adults all wanting to be married to each other, then you are talking communal, or group marriage… So, make up your mind what you are trying to obfuscate in your rather juvenlie suggestion…
Monkey, he has these Turrets like outbursts of fairy tale quoting whenever he’s backed in a corner. It’s his hysterical way of having the last word.
Scroll over territory.
Dammit Chas!
“However, the females are not married to each other… Get it??”
Now he’s gonna hafta find a different fantasy for whacking…
I’m going to assume the fallacy is in the false comparison to gay marriage and polygamy.
And the only reason polygamy isnt legal is because good christians like you wont let it be.
You would be correct in your assumption, KFG
In fact, polygamy was common in the Early Church. Paul said Let Bishops be the husband of only ONE wife because of their heavy responsibilities to the Church… not because it was evil… Old Testament is full of polygamy…
its a nice day go outside enjoy life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGtEmqm721c
KFG,
So you support Polygamous marriage then?
“And the only reason polygamy isnt legal is because good christians like you wont let it be.”
Just how the heck would they file their 1040?
Married, married, married, married filing jointly?
Will employers have to come up with a new W4 form
to compute withholding?
Mx6 + one deduction per child?
Single, but withhold at the higher married, married, married rate?
And social security? Today, one guy dies, and his wife gets her SS adjusted based upon his higher earnings.
So do all the wives get more SS?
Life Insurance. Does each wife take out a policy
on their one Dick? Does the male take out life insurance at work to cover all the wives?
And when being introduced? Who would Ms Manners say is introduced first? The oldest wife? The first wife? Or is it youngest to oldest.
Telephone book listings anyone? Brad & Sue, Mary, Violet, and June SMITH at BR549?
In conversation, “Well your wife said….”
“Well Wife 2 and wife 3 said, but wife 1 didn’t agree.”
Commercial impacts: Will they begin selling beds for ten? Houses: How many master bedrooms?
Jewlry stores: A Forever Diamond x six?
And here is the last question.
Just how the heck do they keep everyone’s underwear, bras, and socks separate in the washer?
Nathan,
Would you deny that in the U.S. serial monogamy is the culutural norm? – which is not a large step away from polygamy. But, a large step away from the one woman and one man ideal that is often claimed.
AmWay — your prejudice is showing… you favor a flat tax… no W4, or 1040 to file if you get what you want… LOL You just cant be griping about something that wont exist if you get your way on taxes…
Laundry??? Hey, each one do their laundry separate… thats not hard to figure out… And, the Bible doesnt condemn it!!
Steven,
Perhaps an apology for what you said about my father and I simply wanting to kill people is in order before just jumping into conversation with one another?
Unless I missed it?
Spin, spin, spin
Why on Gawd’s green earth would a man want more than one wife?
It is bad enough around here ONCE a month.
Imagine multiples with multiple personalities all
month long..
And trying to remember ONE anniversary already taxes me. Imagine trying to remember them ALL!
And the price for all those Hallmark cards and roses!?!
Who gets the front seat? Does oldest wife ride
shotgun? Or is she relegated to the trunk?
And I suppose what is good for the goose,,is good for the gander. One woman with multiple husbands.
That’s rich!
And just how many damn bottles of shampoo and conditioner should a man have to trip over!
The maze of hair dryers, curling irons, and other female electronics is a mess.
Perfume and other girly stuff? (all a man needs is toothpaste, shaving cream, and a bottle of Head n Shoulders and a bar of Ivory soap. (Maybe a bottle of old spice, but with birthdays and XMAS, I have enough to last my lifetime.)
Bathrooms anyone?
And when they get older and bolder, imagine the fights over the remote!
“So you support Polygamous marriage then?
Did I say that? I dont give a damn one way or the other.
This blog is exhibit A that I have my hands full with my own issues. If those that want to practice polygamy want to push their issue, they should knock themselves out. I’ll vote for it, but it matters not to me or my life.
What exactly is the legal number of wives one guy could have? Will it eight, nine, ten?
Is there a biblical passage which would serve as the basis for this legal decision?
As many as he can afford?
And what about social entitlements? Will they get more FREE CHEESE?
Of course you didnt say that KFG, but thats a spinning point — diversion — mis-direction…
“It is bad enough around here ONCE a month.
Imagine multiples with multiple personalities all
month long..”
Um, actually, when adult women live together, their cycles tend to synchronize. Really.
AmWay — it was bad enough having a wife and two teen age daughters in the same house… I needed my own bathroom… just for solitude LOL
“if you get your way on taxes…”
Yeah, like that is going to happen. Washington D.C. is going to be blue for some time to come.
I apologize. And I assume you are willing to apologize for the many asinine statements you’ve made in the past. Now can you answer the question, or do you have more red herrings you’d like to throw out?
“their cycles tend to synchronize. Really.”
Oh wonderful. Instead of one woman going off, I’d
have five at the same time?
No thanks. My one wonderful wife is quite enough, thank-you very much.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 17, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
“It is bad enough around here ONCE a month.
Imagine multiples with multiple personalities all
month long..”
Um, actually, when adult women live together, their cycles tend to synchronize. Really.
**********
I have read about this and menstruation is triggered via the sense of smell.
Nathan,
Why all the bible verse today? I respect your right and your Christian views, but aren’t you just running up your own dog target on the firing line for everyone else to shoot at?
“All ready on the firing line. Shooters, ready on the right, ready on the RIGHT? Shooters you may commence firing on Nathan’s Dog Target!”
No offense intended. I’m in the butts down range watching out for ricochets. I’d sure hate to have to mark and disk your target. Not enough white stickies in the world to cover them all (if you get my drift). The Maggies Drawers would wear my arms out.
ready on the right, ready on the LEFT?
Bunch of cuts and pastes. We’ve seen many before on a myriad of subjects. Some interesting, others not. Some we read, some we scroll over.
Yes Steven, it’s a pherome (sp?)thing? Also the basis of sexual attraction between men and women.
Humans are a lot more like animals than we care to admit.
Looks like Ted Kennedy had a seizure, not a stroke. His condition is described as serious but not life threatening. I sure hope he is ok.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080517/ap_on_go_co/kennedy
Hey ksfarmgrrl, here is some interesting reading for you, but I’m sure you are too coward to read any of it.
The only reason I am taking the time to bring this to folks attention is your statement questioning Ted’s little accident as “suspicious”. I quote:
“Thanks for proving my point, boxlick. And laura bush has as many “suspicious” kills as Ted Kennedy. He wasnt charged, she wasnt charged. We’ve had this tit for tat, um, how many times? (big eye roll)”
This site contains extensive coverage of the circumstances surrounding the infamous accident at Chappaquiddick July 19, 1969
“Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?
Or is there one system for the average citizen
and another for the high and mighty?”
- Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 -
Link to information: http://www.ytedk.com/
Learn the disturbing truth about the accident at;
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
See Police diver John Farrar’s testimony suggesting that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for as long as two hours in the submerged automobile by breathing a pocket of trapped air.
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter5.htm#farrar
Learn how Senator Kennedy spent the nine hours after the accident attempting to cover-up his involvement, while Mary Jo Kopechne was left to die in his submerged automobile.
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter3.htm
Read the scenario developed by Detective Bernie Flynn, one of the officers who investigated the accident.
http://www.ytedk.com/scenario.htm
View Senator Kennedy’s history of traffic violations.
http://www.ytedk.com/drivingrecord.htm
Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy “killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.”
http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm
What Really Happenned ?
The Chappaquiddick Chronicles
- July 18-19, 1969 -
Background,
including Ted’s driving record
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
The Edgartown Regatta and the Party at Chappaquiddick – July 18, 1969
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter1.htm
The Accident
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter2.htm
After the Accident: Profile in Cowardice
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter3.htm
Preparing an Alibi
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter4.htm
The Accident is Discovered
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter5.htm
The Cover-up Begins
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter6.htm
Justice: Kennedy Style
http://www.ytedk.com/epilogue.htm
View the photographs, diagrams, and documents of the accident
http://www.ytedk.com/exhibits.htm
Ted’s Driving Record:
http://www.ytedk.com/drivingrecord.htm
See how Ted was expelled from Harvard for cheating!
http://www.ytedk.com/scandals.htm
“Humans are a lot more like animals than we care to admit.”
The more I know about humans, the better I like my dog :)
I hope Ted Kennedy is okay as well, and regains his full health.
Whether he ever returns to the Senate is a different story.
Regardless of what has happened presently it does not change the truth of the past in any way.
Well, you are right about one thing. I dont read your scroll over crap.
Wanna post now about laura bush killing her ex-boyfriend by running a stop sign and broadsiding him?
And really, Ted wasnt charged.
Laura wasnt charged either.
membership had its privledges for both of them
“Regardless of what has happened presently it does not change the truth of the past in any way.”
no kidding.
Laura being first lady doesnt change a THING about her killing her ex boyfriend.
I was right ksfarmgrrl, you are a partisan coward!
Laura Bush never lied and ran from the accident to save her own skin like Ted the coward Kennedy did!
All of those links about Kennedy are supposed to say what, about his seizure today??
Hmmmm??? If nothing, as I suspect, then why post all of it?? Just to flame on Kennedy??
And ksfarmgrrl, Kennedy was 37+ years old, not 17 like Laura Bush.
He should have know better than to drink, drive, kill then run and cover-up.
Laura Bush had an accident, period!
This source calls Kennedy’s problems seizures also.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/ted_kennedy_sai.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed5
The causes for the seizures are not known.
Having been elected to his senate seat in 1962, Kennedy is the second most senior senator in the Senate.
Chas,
Some people really revile Ted Kennedy – it is one of those hatreds that has spawned more than one cottage industry.
Oh yea… Some probably revile him just for the hell of it too!!
Later!!
People, including Kennedy, can be forgiven.
First they must admit what they’ve done and express remorse asking forgiveness.
Kennedy hasn’t begun to do that to my knowledge.
And as Dean Wormer said, “fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life”.
Well, unless you’re a Kennedy.
When I saw the 07-19-69 date above, I was reminded of this historic event that took place nearly the same day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/21/newsid_2635000/2635845.stm
I have to leave, as well.
StevenEDavis Posted May 17, 2008 at 3:58 pm |
“Humans are a lot more like animals than we care to admit.”
Some….certainly are.
Steven, thanks for the reminder of the ‘1969′ Moon landing….now that was and incredibly proud and exciting time.
I see bush’s idiotic Israeli speech was well received.
“The president’s first appointment was with 80-year-old Mubarak, who has led an authoritarian government in Egypt since 1981. In unusually blunt criticism, Egypt’s state-owned press attacked Bush for his speech Thursday before the Israeli Knesset. The media accused Bush of being overly supportive of the Israelis and not mentioning the Palestinians’ plight.
“The Torah-inspired speech of Bush raised question marks over the credibility of the U.S. role in the Middle East,” wrote Mursi Atallah, the publisher of Al-Ahram, the flagship daily of the state-owned press. “Bush aims to do nothing but appeasing Israel.”
Also read in same article, bush is defending Saudi Arabia against dems. that want to link arms sales to oil production.
Since last time bush visited S.A. oil increased 30 dollars p.b., wonder how much we can expect now!
“The causes for the seizures are not known.”
Alcohol withdrawl is famous for causing seizures.
One of the most important stories that people in America never heard much about
U.S. to move operations from Saudi base
From Barbara Starr
CNN
Tuesday, April 29, 2003 Posted: 7:08 PM EDT (2308 GMT)
Washington is working out the final details of a major military pullout from Saudi Arabia. CNN’s Barbara Starr reports (April 29)
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) — The large U.S. military presence at Saudi Arabia’s Prince Sultan Air Base is expected to end in the coming months, depending on the security situation in Iraq, U.S. officials told CNN on Tuesday.
The decision to move significant U.S. military resources and personnel to neighboring Qatar marks a major shift in U.S. policy in the Persian Gulf region after a longtime presence in Saudi Arabia, currently at about 5,000 troops.
More than 100 aircraft and the U.S. Combined Air Operations Center at the base are expected to make the move, and some of those aircraft could be permanently reassigned to the United States, officials said.
The center will be moved to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, part of the post-war U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf, military sources have told CNN.
******
Judging Bush by his own standards of “appeasement,” he caved into to Osama bin Laden’s demands.
Nice job, CONs . . .
ap?pease ?”/reference/dictionary/pronounce;_ylt=ApeXihXSv0C0c.fiJjX_XeWugMMF?id=A0375900&path=prons/A0375900.wav”?”/reference/dictionary/pronounce;_ylt=ApeXihXSv0C0c.fiJjX_XeWugMMF?id=A0375900&path=prons/A0375900.wav”? (?-p?z?) “/reference/dictionary/pronunciation_key;_ylt=AkLMWPaaJ6Yu3DabxIbPFHiugMMF” ?
TRANSITIVE VERB:
ap?peased , ap?peas?ing , ap?peas?es
To bring peace, quiet, or calm to; soothe.
To satisfy or relieve: appease one’s thirst.
To pacify or attempt to pacify (an enemy) by granting concessions, often at the expense of principle. See Synonyms at “/reference/dictionary/entry;_ylt=Aqe2PFiGuCFmzTkb0VJigQGugMMF?id=P0004900″
di?a?logue or di?a?log “/reference/dictionary/pronunciation_key;_ylt=AkLMWPaaJ6Yu3DabxIbPFHiugMMF” ?
NOUN:
A conversation between two or more people.
**********
Yes it is notable how by leaving out a word or two the entire context of a statement can be altered.
By leaving out and Territories it makes it sound as if Obama only said states.
And like the Michelle Obama ads, the original statement was “For the first time in my adult life I am REALLY proud of America. This does not convey that she has never been Proud before, just that as many do to note a highlight of an event it has made her prouder as it should we all. This is the first time in the history of this country that a Black person has came this far in seeking the Presidency. But if you notice in the attack ads, they have garbled the word “Really” so it comes out as: For the first time in my adult life I am proud of America.
Hank…I LOVE your new baby girl!!! Wecome to the neighborhood Niki!
One of the most important stories that people in America never heard much about
U.S. to move operations from Saudi base
From Barbara Starr
CNN
Tuesday, April 29, 2003 Posted: 7:08 PM EDT (2308 GMT)
—————–
Recycling stories from 5 years ago?
My niece has done three tours in Qatar since 2003.
Yep outlander, the Crapn has always been out of touch on current events. If he can’t find any news, he’ll just simply make up his own.
Ted Kennedy’s Female Troubles
Posted by Jay Tea
Published: April 23, 2005 – 10:30 AM
There are times when I feel sorry for Ted Kennedy. He was born to play a Falstaffian role, ill-suited and ill-trained for the role destiny thrust upon him. And yet he muddles on, flailing from one scandal and misstep to another, constantly chafing under the ill-fitting crown given him as the champion of liberalism.
Edward Moore Kennedy, Sr., was the last of nine children of an incredibly powerful and driven man, and from the outset it was clear little was expected of him. The fourth of four sons, he could tell from the outset his father — the legendary Joseph P. Kennedy — set far more stock in his older sons. First came Joseph P. Junior, the old man’s namesake and heir presumptive. Then came John Fitzgerald, named after his maternal grandfather, legendary Boston politician John Francis “Honey Fitz” Fitzgerald. Robert further honored Honey Fitz by bearing his middle name. Ted grew up knowing he was named after the family’s long-loyal chauffeur, Eddie Moore. Joe’s plan was for Joe Junior to become the first Irish Catholic president, to be succeeded by Jack. Robert would help his older brothers, and Teddy would… well, they’d find something to keep him out of trouble.
But Fate was not kind to Old Joe’s plans. Jack was injured in World War II, and it took all of Old Joe’s influence to convert what should have been scandal and disgrace into a tale of heroism. (Letting one’s PT boat get run down by a destroyer is comparable to letting your Corvette get run over by an 18-wheeler on an 8-lane highway.) Joe Junior, envious of Jack’s heroic treatment, volunteered for a very dangerous mission that cost him his life.
With the loss of Joe Junior, Old Joe sunk all his hopes on Jack. He pushed him to run for Congress, then the Senate, and finally the Presidency, with ever-loyal Bobby at his side.
Meanwhile, Ted continued to be, well, Ted. He enrolled in Harvard University in 1950, but was kicked out in 1951 after he was caught paying another student to take a Spanish test for him. He enlisted in the Army, but had a very undistinguished two-year career. He eventually returned to Harvard and got his degree.
In 1962, he finally got his first — and last — “real” job when he was elected to fill his brother Jack’s vacant Senate seat. Fortunately, he had just turned 30, the minimum age to hold Senate office. And that’s when things started going downhill.
Earlier, I called Ted a “Falstaffian” figure, and that’s pretty accurate. But he also seems to be a Typhoid Mary for karma, as tragedies began to befall all around him, often leaving him either untouched or far less severely.
In 1963, his brother Jack was assassinated in Dallas.
In 1964, he was in a plane crash that killed the pilot and another passenger, leaving him with a severe back injury.
In 1968, his brother Robert was assassinated in Los Angeles.
And then, The Big One. July, 1969. After a party on Martha’s Vineyard, Ted drove his car back towards the mainland. He drove off a bridge and dumped the car into a pond. He swam to shore, went to a hotel, chatted briefly with the clerk, and went to bed. In the morning, a fisherman spotted the car and reported it to the police.
And when the police recovered the car from the water, they found the body of 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, a former campaign staffer for Robert’s presidential bid and guest at the party. The coroner determined that she had survived the crash and had remained conscious for several hours in an airpocket in the submerged car before dying.
Teddy eventually pleaded guilty to “leaving the scene of an accident causing injury” and was given two months in jail (suspended) and his driver’s license was suspended.
Ted married Virginia Joan Bennett in 1958, and they had three children. She stood by him through all his scandals and peccadillos, even his disastrous run for president in 1980. (His challenge to incumbent Jimmy Carter is considered by many a factor in Carter’s eventual loss to Ronald Reagan). She endured all the jokes, snide remarks, and rumors about him (largely dealing with his fondness for women and strong drink), but they divorced in 1982. Since then, she has struggled with alcoholism. Recently, her grown children petitioned to be named her legal guardians, saying her alcoholism had left her unable to care for herself.
The family ties of the Kennedy clan are so strong that on the night of Easter this year (traditionally a big Kennedy family gathering day), Joan was found passed out, drunk, in a gutter outside her townhouse with a concussion and a broken shoulder, and a stranger carried her to the hospital. Since then, she has tried to sell her Cape Cod home, but her children are putting up a fierce legal fight to preserve the home where they grew up.
Kennedy’s womanizing ways are a Washington legend. When a supermarket tabloid published pictures of Kennedy getting “amorous” with a woman on his sailboat, one of his colleagues (Senator Howell Heflin) remarked that it appeared that Kennedy “had done changed his position on offshore drilling.” In 1985, he and Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd allegedly made a “waitress sandwich” at a DC restaurant while their dates were in the rest room.
Ted’s second marriage, to Victoria Reggie, a DC area lawyer, in 1992 seemed to settle him down. He lost a bit of weight, seemed to cut back on his boozing, and in general seemed a bit more respectable. But the female curse that hangs over his head seems to have been deferred, not denied.
This time it wasn’t exactly a woman that is getting him in trouble, but said woman’s brother. Ray Reggie, 43, was a political operative in New Orleans who got himself in a bit of trouble a few years ago. He got caught not only ripping off three banks for the sum of 3.5 million dollars, he also pulled over teenage girls with a blue light on his car in the hopes of winning their favors.
But the FBI didn’t toss him away immediately. They came to an agreement with Reggie that kept him out of jail for a bit while he continued his political work — but now wearing a wire.
Reggie continued his political shenanigans over the last three years, but now the FBI has it all on tape. They have him meeting with both Bill and Hillary Clinton, for example, and several high-ranking members of her staff. In fact, one of her top fund raisers, David Rosen, is going on trial in Los Angeles next month for violating election laws at a 2000 fund-raiser for Hillary’s Senate campaign, and evidence from Reggie is expected to play a key role.
Now that the story is finally breaking (Reggie’s trial started in 2001, was pleaded out 2002, but the details were only made public recently), the speculation is flying fast and furious. Did Ray Reggie set up his brother-in-law? Did Ted know just how much trouble Ray was in, and did he “freeze him out” of anything sensitive? Did he aim Ray at the Clintons, hoping to save his wife’s brother’s hide (along with his own) at the expense of the family that has largely supplanted the Kennedys in Democratic power circles?
I strongly suspect that Ted will survive this scandal, as he has so many others. And I further suspect it won’t taint his legacy among America’s liberals.
Poor, poor Ted. He’s spent his whole life living in the shadows of his father and far more capable brothers, and has suffered greatly because of it. If only one of those prior scandals had just been bad enough to kill his political career, he might have found his own niche in the world and lived a quiet, productive life. But the constant pressure to “be a Kennedy” (and, since 1968, the patriarch of the family) has kept him and his flaws front and center on the world stage.
I’d feel even more sorry for him, but for fifty years it seems everyone but him has paid the price for his failures, his shortcomings, his lapses.
And some with their lives.
Oh no, Obamma’s going down. Sweetie scandal on the news tonight! (Obama called a female reporter sweetie)
Phantom — That’s old news — Yesterday, Glenn Beck called every female ccaller to his show “Sweetie” Whast a buffoon!! Waste of newsd time… It’ a non-story!!
Teddy boy rode a submarine I was on for half a day when we were in the Med. We picked him up off the coast of France near Toulon.
On a submarine everyone has collateral duties. One of mine was periscope photographer on this particular boat. It gave me access to some of the best photographic equipment available at the time.
I took a picture of a Volkswagen add and then made a positive from the negative so I could run off posters of the add for the printer-reader.
I ran off 100 posters of the add and started hanging them around the boat a few weeks before the good senator’s expected visit.
It drove the wardroom crazy. The captain was having fits. They all suspected me, but couldn’t prove it.
Want to see the add?
http://www.bizbag.com/Cartoons/kennedy.htm
What is this strange obsession with the Kennedy’s?? This is a little absurd… The man is sick — in a hospital — he had a friggin seizure…
We must remember this treatment thenext time we hear of an illness of some of those on the Blog… Wonder how that would go over?? NOT!!
Stick a cork in it Chas. You leftist libs hold nothing sacred, especially human decency.
Or maybe that obituary you posted that had mentioned the dead son of a father whose name is just like mine was just a mistake – yeah right.
Hypocrisy is thy name Chas
And your point is you have always been a creep Hank?
Who’d a guessed?
James, the name in the obit was NOT just like yours… unless you have forgotten how to spell!! Good grief!! What a rotten attitude!!
HLP,
What a hoot!!!
Besides, James, you have posted here many times that you have no children… So, your foolish ranting is pointless!! And you – like your other goons – missed the entire point of the obituary!! And, if I find another one like it, I will post it as well…
Organ donation is a very important action on the part of anybody… So, James, I think it is YOU who should put a cork in it!! Seriously…
Right Chas, no one on the entire blog believes the reason you posted the story. Admit it, you’re a liar and a cruel person. Never mind, just put a cork in it, no one wants to see anything your write, including the Libs.
Chase why is it everytime I ck in here you are lying about somethng or other? Man do you ever give up. That obit thing was tasteless and you should be apologying and your friends if they are really your friends would be telling you this.
Tasteless?? A boy’s organ donation saves the lives of at least five people… And YOU call it tasteless?? YOU Troll, have a major mental problem if you see that as tasteless!!
That young man deserved the commendation he received… from his family, and the obit writer who included his selfless act of organ donatiion…
Re: okobserver
D
N
F
T
T
” no one wants to see anything your write, including the Libs.”
You got a mouse in your pocket James?
Who are you to speak for anyone else?
I LIKE Chas’s posts. I just wish he would not indulge your many nics and delusional ranting or encourage the Price boys in their bullying.
Hey Chas? Starve those clowns and they’ll die.
Chas,
Please listen to this and see for yourself about 57 states quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Oh no BlueJay! Was that a “death” threat?!
The scaredycons will have to run to Brownlee who will say (in the word of our worst vicepresident ever) “So?”
James – You have just proven that you are an extremely shallow, and empty man… For that I am most sorry… It is ugly to see such a personality – even on a Blog… I wish you well…
Keep writing fake Minister, no one believes you.
What a country, when a buffoon like Obama can be running for it’s Presidency and even be taken seriously.
57 States…..unbelievable!
Chas,
Let’s see if I have it right:
Democrats (liberal, mind you, and liberal Repubs)
Never
Formulate
The
Truth
Evidently Obama is a mathematical imbecile Boxlock. This is not the first time he has screwed up numbers or counts of things.
Hey Boxlock,
There’s more to the story. Better told over a beer or two. . .
There ya go Chas!
James is a dead duck here. He’s a joke and an embarrrasment to himself and everything he believes in.
Here ya go American >>>>
That wasnt the quote I was thinking of earlier… This one you post was Obama doing a mis-statement… Here’s a nice rebuttal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unp-wN84OfM&feature=related
“There’s more to the story. Better told over a beer or two. . .”
Or maybe six….. It’d take that many to even begin to cover the idiocy of electing him President.
Yeah Junior?
What you going to do?
Go ahead try to harass me or my family in real life, I’ll take you out with the trash.
hahahahhahahah
did the scaredy mouse squeek?
Chas
Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink
Here ya go American >>>>
That wasnt the quote I was thinking of earlier… This one you post was Obama doing a mis-statement… Here’s a nice rebuttal:
—————
Yeah, some rebuttal Chas.
I wonder if Osama Obama “approves this message.”
Sorry cons but you got one losing old fart who wants to have a 100 year war in Iraq and the best you got is “57 states”?
Pathetic.
Next week is Memorial Weekend… I might have to do a bone dig on that wonderful obituary story, and re-post it, to remind us ALL what the holiday is all about.
Gonna hit me with you cane lamo?
Rant away in as many nics as you like. IF you’re interesting and help me to embarrass you, I MIGHT answer back.
Sorry Junior, I don’t fight midgets like yourself.
hahahhahahahah scaredy mouse squeeks!
So Chas, how about answering the question.
Do you think Senator Obama would use your youtube link as an official response?
Additionally, do you think anyone in office on the Democratic side would use your youtube link as a response?
KansasNative writes like a girl.
At least I have a girl Reguliar.
Sucks to be you.
Good night Chas and I’ll keep praying that enlightenment comes to these deluded souls.
Here you go Chas; no digging required.
This looks interesting >>>>
McClure, Benjamin Harrison, 20, cherished son, brother and uncle, passed away Friday, March 6, 2008. Ben was born March 2, 1988 in Wichita, Kan. He was able to graduate in 2006 from Southeast High School while living on his own, and later moved on to work at Burlington Coat Factory and the Cracker Barrel. He was a passionate writer and pianist, and an advent student of yoga and meditation. Ben was known and loved by many and will be best remembered for his kind heart and giving nature. He was always quick to help a friend in need, even when he had very little himself to give. Even in his sudden death, there is comfort in knowing that his generous spirit lived on in the gift of organ donation. Through his passing he was able to give the most of himself by saving the lives of at least five different people. He is survived by his mother and stepfather, Angela and Stan Allenbach; his father, James McClure; sisters, Shelby Bais, Molly McClure, Anna McClure; his three nieces, Paige and Lynndon Bais, Nia McClure; grandfather, Glen McClure. Funeral sevices 10 a.m. Thursday, March 13, 2008, Biglow-Bethea Funeral Directors Chapel, 957 N. Oliver.
Hud was Steve McQueen not you James.
Thank you very much, Hud — I think
The DemLibs on this blog even make the average stupid DemLib look good, and that’s bad.
The ones here are nothing but slimy syphilitic shancres from what I can see.
Wasn’t sure about “Boxlock”.
Now I am.
Any of your other nics you’d like to reveal James?
Hey, jeenyous boy?
It’s chancre.
What a freaking idiot . . .
Regular
Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
So Chas, how about answering the question.
========================================
I dont think so — not his style!!
“Boxlock
Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink
The DemLibs on this blog even make the average stupid DemLib look good, and that’s bad.
The ones here are nothing but slimy syphilitic shancres from what I can see.”
Another example of good old repubican fundie values.
“HLP” claims –
“I took a picture of a Volkswagen add [sic] and then made a positive from the negative so I could run off posters of the add [sic] for the printer-reader.”
It wasn’t an ad, it was a parody published by the National Lampoon.
If anything, you Xeroxed it. With your so-called “…access to some of the best photographic equipment available at the time.”
I mean, really, “HLP.” You went way out of your way to concoct a lie. And to what end?
Some of the wingnut sycophants jumped to praise you for your implied wit. But you got busted. If anything, you photocopied a page from a satirical magazine. And, 35 years later, you did your best to make people that work was your own.
Thanks that Monkeyhawk.
The Price’s are well known liars. So I’m not much surprised.
GOOD catch.
I just saw John McCain on SNL.
His appearance can only be described as ….bizarre.
I think he’s nuts.
Thanks to outlander and Reguliar for admitting that Bush did cut-and-run out of Saudi Arabia to appease Osama’s demands.
Their position in the past has always been that Bush didn’t do this.
Now they’ve abruptly changed stories to “it’s old news.”
It may be a few years old, but Bush’s emphasis on appeasement makes it all fresh again.
BTW, if this 5 year old story is “old news,” what’s the Teddy Kennedy / Chapaquidick story?
NASA Declares Winds are causing melting sea ice in the Arctic.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html
NASA Examines Arctic Sea Ice Changes Leading to Record Low in 200710.01.07 PASADENA, Calif. – A new NASA-led study found a 23-percent loss in the extent of the Arctic’s thick, year-round sea ice cover during the past two winters. This drastic reduction of perennial winter sea ice is the primary cause of this summer’s fastest-ever sea ice retreat on record and subsequent smallest-ever extent of total Arctic coverage.
A team led by Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., studied trends in Arctic perennial ice cover by combining data from NASA’s Quick Scatterometer (QuikScat) satellite with a computing model based on observations of sea ice drift from the International Arctic Buoy Programme. QuikScat can identify and map different classes of sea ice, including older, thicker perennial ice and younger, thinner seasonal ice.
Between winter 2005 and winter 2007, the perennial ice shrunk by an area the size of Texas and California combined. This severe loss continues a trend of rapid decreases in perennial ice extent in this decade. Study results will be published Oct. 4 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
The scientists observed less perennial ice cover in March 2007 than ever before, with the thick ice confined to the Arctic Ocean north of Canada. Consequently, the Arctic Ocean was dominated by thinner seasonal ice that melts faster. This ice is more easily compressed and responds more quickly to being pushed out of the Arctic by winds. Those thinner seasonal ice conditions facilitated the ice loss, leading to this year’s record low amount of total Arctic sea ice.
Nghiem said the rapid decline in winter perennial ice the past two years was caused by unusual winds. “Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,” he said. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.
“The winds causing this trend in ice reduction were set up by an unusual pattern of atmospheric pressure that began at the beginning of this century,” Nghiem said.
The Arctic Ocean’s shift from perennial to seasonal ice is preconditioning the sea ice cover there for more efficient melting and further ice reductions each summer. The shift to seasonal ice decreases the reflectivity of Earth’s surface and allows more solar energy to be absorbed in the ice-ocean system.
The perennial sea ice pattern change was deduced by using the buoy computing model infused with 50 years of data from drifting buoys and measurement camps to track sea ice movement around the Arctic Ocean. From the 1970s through the 1990s, perennial ice declined by about 500,000 square kilometers (193,000 square miles) each decade. Since 2000, that amount of decline has nearly tripled.
Results from the buoy model were verified against the past eight years of QuikScat observations, which have much better resolution and coverage. The QuikScat data were verified with field experiments conducted aboard the U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker Healy, as well as by sea ice charts derived from multiple satellite data sources by analysts at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Ice Center in Suitland, Md.
The new study differs significantly from other recent studies that only looked at the Arctic’s total sea ice extent. “Our study applies QuikScat’s unique capabilities to examine how the composition of Arctic sea ice is changing, which is crucial to understanding Arctic sea ice mass balance and overall Arctic climate stability,” Ngheim said.
Pablo Clemente-Colon of the National Ice Center, Suitland, Md., said the rapid reduction of Arctic perennial sea ice requires an urgent reassessment of sea ice forecast model predictions and of potential impacts to local weather and climate, as well as shipping and other maritime operations in the region. “Improving ice forecast models will require new physical insights and understanding of complex Arctic processes and interactions.”
Other organizations participating in the study include the University of Washington’s Polar Science Center, Seattle; and the U.S. Army Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory, Hanover, N.H.
Yeah, Hawk–
I remember that VW beetle parody ad well . . . it’s a classic.
Hank’s mind is a steel trap . . . always closed.
BTW, even though Steven apologized, it looks like he is kept waiting for the devout Christian to apologize to him, heigh ho.
How do baptists confess their sins when they never sin?
CapnAmerica
Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink
Thanks to outlander and Reguliar for admitting that Bush did cut-and-run out of Saudi Arabia to appease Osama’s demands.
=============================
Another example of the Crapn inventing news.
You know what’s funny?
When Nathan dies and goes to heaven, the first thing he’ll see is Gandhi, Darwin, George Tiller and Lao Tsu sitting around a table playing cards.
“Hey, isn’t this supposed to be heaven?” asks Nathan.
“It’s heaven for us . . . but hell for you . . .”
Reguliar–
Why don’t you busy yourself with something constructive?
Take up smoking for instance.
I’ll buy your first couple of cases for you . . .
“BlueJay” –
Yeah, John Sidney McCain the Third’s SNL bit was strange.
You gotta wonder what battles went on behind the scenes with SNL’s writers and McBush’s advisors.
“Yeah, he’s OLD! So we’ll play with that!
And we’ll have him say stuff that’d make Abraham Simpson cringe for its absurdity!”
And McSame’s people went along with it!
Incredible.
Hey, Clark,
I am asking you these questions because I think you might know – I am a Dylan junkie of the worst sort. I watched “I’m not there” tonight and had more questions than I expected to have.
I got:
Dylan’s Woody Guthrie phase,
His NYC folk singer phase,
Dylan’s dissatisfaction with the Folk/Liberal phase,
Bob’s electric phase,
His Joan Baez love angst phase,
Bob’s Rolling Thunder/19th century phase,
His Jesus phase.
Have you seen the film? There was a bunch in between that I did not get. Please help. Your friend,
Steven
You’re right Monkey Man. It was a parody in the National Lampoon. It was a parody designed as an ad for Volkswagen.
At the time of Kennedy’s visit fast attacks didn’t have ‘Xerox’ machines on board. The printer-reader allowed us to read tech manuals and make prints from micro fiche.
Micro fiche film is ‘positive’ for printing and viewing purposes. I took a picture of the National Lampoon Ad and used the negative to make a poster. I then took a picture of the ‘negative’ poster. I then had a positive I could use in the printer-reader to make positive posters.
We had several cameras on the boat I was on. The one I used was a Beseler-Topcon with a motor drive and a periscope attachment plate for taking intell pictures through the periscope. I used it because I already had 400 ASA black and white film in it.
The motor drive would hold enough 35 mm film for 400 pictures. I could usually shoot 4 frames a second through the scope in daylight if I pushed the 400 ASA to 1200.
Like I said Monkey Man there is a lot more to the story. That you can call me a liar based on knowing very little of the whole thing says a lot more about your twisted character than mine.
Interesting. The ad that Hank posts:
http://www.bizbag.com/Cartoons/kennedy.htm
was the only one that the National Lampoon ever apologized for. These folks did nasty stuff, but did not apologize for their satire.
Hmmm… Hank is not apologizing? How surprising!
I plead, guilty. In the early 70’s I loved National Lampoon. But unlike Hank, I have grown up since then.
I have not seen the film, Mr. Davis, but I will as soon as possible. I consider Bob Dylan to be the greatest living poet in America and I rarely miss anything he does. What the Hell, I named one of my kids after him.
The thing about Dylan is that he ALWAYS seems to change directions when you least expect it. He is so “anti” regarding the music industry that it is almost expect now that he will make a right turn from the left hand turn lane.
The best thing about Dylan, however, is that the depth of his lyrics never cease to amaze. His work in that regard in unbelievable. Did you know that there are actually FIFTY verses to “Like A Rolling Stone?”
Anyway, I will catch the flick and get back to you.
Thank you, sincerely, for bringing up my favorite artist.
CapnAmerica
Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink
“One of the most important stories that people in America never heard much about
U.S. to move operations from Saudi base
Nice job, CONs . . .”
You can have it both ways CapnAmerica. First you dog Bush for maintaining bases in the middle east, where by lib standards – we do NOT belong.
Then, when Bush finally closes bases (established back beyond but maintained by Prez Clinton), you lib want to beat him up for doing what you said he should be doing.
Nice to have it both ways. Easier to bash the Cons that way.
Busted Price.
You are a liar. You took “credit” for work that was not yours.
That is as good a place as any for me to retire.
Good night; Good luck;
God bless – Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
“The decision to move significant U.S. military resources and personnel to neighboring Qatar”
BTW Capn, I’m not sure this move will fully appease Osama Bin Laden. Yes, the evil westerners will be out of the holy land of Mecca. But Qatar is stil the middle east and muslim country (indian country).
What is an ecomonic boom to Qatar, is no financial loss to Saudi – which brings in more in oil revenue in a week from the USA (with falling dollar), than the base provided them.
What you libs have to ask yourselves – is moving a strategic air base a thousand miles to just another position in the middle east – in keeping with your liberal values?
Afterall, your liberal president and congress will be maintaining the new crib for our fighter planes.
Is this any real improvement?
StevenEDavis
Posted May 18, 2008 at 12:01 am | Permalink
I plead, guilty. In the early 70’s I loved National Lampoon. But unlike Hank, I have grown up since then.
—————————–
A grown up wouldn’t have to make a statement that they have grown up.
Heh… be easy on dear Mr. Hank Price. As I said earlier, he seems unable to understand obvious points.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-517/#comment-350961
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein
“All religions must be tolerated…for… every man must get to heaven his own way.
Frederick the Great
Gnite dear souls,
whereever you end up.
BlueJay
Posted May 18, 2008 at 12:17 am | Permalink
Busted Price.
You are a liar. You took “credit” for work that was not yours.
That is as good a place as any for me to retire.
————————–
Junior is like Chas, the reading comprehension of a stone.
Reguliar posted May 17, 2008 at 7:46 pm
“If he can’t find any news, he’ll just simply make up his own.”
Little jimmymac is the WE Blog champion at making up fiction.
After I posted,
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-09-13a.asp
jimmymac posted,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f/#comment-239958
“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports.
You will find that the Army Corp of Engineers had to delay projects and subsequently lost the funding for those projects for those Fiscal years.
The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
——
Later, jimmymac basically copy/pasted some snips similar to my
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’ link.
And… then added a 100% bogus, fictional ending paragraph.
jimmymac had nothing from the “Congressional Record”.
jimmymac had no “Justice Department reports”.
The people who filed a lawsuit against the Corps disagree with little jimmymac — there’s no mention of the Sierra Club.
‘Judge tosses Katrina lawsuit against Engineer Corps’
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30257740
The judge seemed to agree with the plaintiffs, but the Corps is protected by a 1928 law.
jimmymac, aka Regular, is a liar.
American_Way has it correct on the polygamy thing. It’s illegal because of taxes. Blame the IRS for that one, folks. ;)
Steven,
I was looking at Qatar from a different angle, but you’re right when I look from yours. My oldest and I were talking about that today. (She’s the one with the hubby there right now.) She mentioned that the crime rate is very low there, and we agreed it’s because of the type of punishment used. So in the respect you were stating, I don’t disagree, respectfully or otherwise. :)
cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.
CapnAmerica Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:51 pm |
“Hey, jeenyous boy?
It’s chancre.
What a freaking idiot . . .”
You sure are THE freaking idiot…freak, chancres (plural)is used interchangeably with shancre. “(anal and urethral) solid chancres are encountered.”
http://www.64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:RFPGAadGzKYJ:www.syphilis.ru/shankr-tverdyie.htm+plural+for+chancre&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
But then on second thought, I defer to you as you should know best, YOU ARE ONE.
Lets try a link again, the first didn’t work.
Dictionary
http://au.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861787174/chancre.html
chancre [ shángk?r ] (plural chancres)
What is jimmymac’s response to the fact that he is a liar?
“cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.”
cosmos_originally
Posted May 18, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
What is jimmymac’s response to the fact that he is a liar?
——————————-
cosmos flatus induced accusations expel 100 times more methane than the decaying swamplands of the Everglades. Not only is he guilty of accelerating global warming by his use of gaseous flatus artifice, he constantly defends himself by accusing others.
A strategy often used by those with bloated egos and bowels.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/
Boxofrocks–
I typed your word into the dictionary search at Merriam-Webster, and I got this response:
The word you’ve entered isn’t in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
Suggestions for shancre:
1. chancre
I accept your implicit apology for being a dumb ass.
CapnAmerica,
But you do believe that STFU by Chas means: Stand the Floor up?
More content-free posting from Reguliar.
That’s how you know you’ve won, Cosmos.
I’m not interested in your puerile sniping at Chas, Nathan.
Find someone who gives a damn . . .
Capnamerica,
but you are interested in your own puerile sniping at Boxlock?
His link above gave the definition of chancre.
Are you blind?
“HLP” is forced to admit –
“You’re right Monkey Man. It was a parody in the National Lampoon….”
And then he goes off on how he misused and abused Department of Defense technology to pull off his little pranks.
“…says a lot more about your twisted character than mine.”
At least “HLP” learned how to spell the word “ad.”
Nathan–
We’re arguing about the spelling of the word “chancre.”
He originally mispelled it as “shancre.”
Now he’s trying to argue that this spelling is an acceptable alternative spelling.
Except that it’s not.
Thank you for your implicit admission that you too are a dumb ass . . .
That would make me mistaken, hardly a dumbass.
I noticed you never answered my question from before or I missed it.
Is there any verse in the New Testament or any quote from Jesus saying that you can be saved without faith?
So why would you think that the theif didn’t have faith on the cross?
You’re question-begging, Nathan.
You have no evidence that criminal (”thief” is one translation) had “faith” in anything except for contrition for his sin and the injustice of Jesus’ punishment.
The very question that needs to be answered is “did the criminal who was saved have ‘faith’?”
You can’t answer that question by saying, “well, I don’t think you can be saved without faith, so therefore, the criminal must have had faith.”
The point is that he was saved, and we know very little about his situation.
So the logical conclusion is that we can’t pass judgment on who gets saved or who doesn’t. It’s God who decides.
CapnAmerica,
Only if you don’t read ANY other part of the New Testament can you conlcude that.
The entire theme of the New Testament and EVERYTHING that is said on being saved by Jesus and everyone else is that you must have faith.
So why would you think the theif didn’t have faith?
Of course it is God who decides, yet everything Jesus said about being saved required faith.
Do you ignore that?
BTW, some sick people like the Centurion’s daughter were healed “by faith.” We are told that Jesus worked no miracles among the people of his hometown because “they did not have faith,” as if there is a direct cause-and-effect relationship.
Other sick and lame people seem to have been healed without having any faith or even for asking to be healed.
This is a paradox that cannot be reconciled with a simple explanation, and it’s another reason why I believe that fundamentalists like yourself are essentially heretics.
Fundamental thinking leads to reducing the ineffable mind of God to something small and legalistic.
CapnAmerica,
Besides, you were the one who introduced the theif as proof you don’t need faith to be saved, when there is not any proof that the theif didn’t have faith.
There is no reason to think he didn’t when Jesus himself says that it is faith which is required.
I do believe that people are saved by faith.
But I can’t believe that a good person living his entire life in Papua New Guinea never having heard of the New Testament . . . living in kindness and mercy and caring for others and doing no man no ill will be consigned to hell’s fire for all eternity like you apparently do.
So . . . we differ in that.
CapnAmerica,
Who was healed without faith? Where is this paradox?
I am not doing anything more that quoting scripture.
If you think that is fundmanetal thinking then you have problems, not me.
Your thinking attempts to place your own mind and idea of what is fair above that which God has said.
Out of the two of us, you are the one who is completely rejecting what the scripture says for what makes you feel good.
If anyone is a Heretic, it is you.
You can only find your doctrinal stance from your own reasoning and rejection of scripture.
Talk about arrogance!
“there is not any proof that the thief didn’t have faith.”
If it was so important for our understanding of how to be saved, why didn’t the inspired writers of the New Testament make it clear then?
I think the lesson is that we don’t get to the make the judgment, but Jesus, who “judges with right judgement,” makes that decision.
CapnAmerica,
You can believe that God is merciful and compasionate and reveals himself to people in places where they might not have heard of him without having to reject scripture.
If you don’t believe people are saved by faith, then how are they saved?
Where is your scriptural support for such a belief?
CapnAmerica,
And EVERYTHING Jesus says is that you must have faith to be saved.
So you can quote scripture in some spots, but why do you reject every bit of scripture which says you must have faith to be saved?
18Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
*****
I suppose the tree died because it had faith . . .
CapnAmerica,
What on Earth does that fig tree have to do with our discussion?
Talk about random….
You say that one cannot be cured unless he has faith. (”Who was healed without faith?”)
I just wondered how the fig tree managed to kill itself unless it had faith that Jesus had power over it.
Or take Lazarus, rising from the dead.
He had been dead for four days and there was a bad smell coming from the crypt. His sister, far from exhibiting faith, says it’s too late to do anything now.
But Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
You can argue that the dead Lazarus “had faith” if you want to, Nathan.
But it’s clear to me that miracles can be worked whether the object receiving that miracle has any faith or not.
Because with God, all things are possible.
CapnAmerica,
First, I never made the claim that you must have faith to be healed or have a miracle worked in your favor.
I said you must have faith to be saved. i.e. salvation.
Second, showing that people can be cured, healed, or have miracles worked in their favor doesn’t prove that you don’t have to have faith to be saved.
I will read those verses again, because I think you are even getting those wrong.
CapnAmerica,
So answer my question then.
What do you believe it takes to be saved then?
Is it all some random crap shoot of just hoping God saves you? Is that how it works?
Actually, I was thinking of this passage when I wrote that some people without faith were healed–
6When Jesus saw him [the cripple] lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, “Do you want to get well?”
7″Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”
8Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.”
*****
There’s evidence that this guy doesn’t even want to be healed. He’s been there for years making excuses for himself. When Jesus asks if he wants to be healed, he doesn’t even say yes. He just makes an excuse.
He exhibits no sign of having faith in Jesus whatsoever, yet when Jesus commands him to walk, he does.
“What do you believe it takes to be saved then?”
I believe it takes faith for me to be saved.
I don’t know how God is going to judge anyone else, just like I don’t know why the criminal on the cross was saved.
CapnAmerica,
Why does it take faith for you but no one else?
Do you have any scripture to back that up?
Ephesians 2:8-10
I Corinthians 5:9-13 (esp. Vs. 13
“… he constantly defends himself by accusing others.”
No, I pointed out the fact that jimmymac is a liar.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-517/#comment-351321
If jimmymac did not want to be known as the WE Blog liar, he should not have posted so many lies.
CapnTurd,
I can’t help it if you can’t do a decent search, but I’m not surprised at all, typical of what we get from you. That’s why I provided a link but you’re to dense to use it.
Note where it shows the plural use, nitwit.
http://au.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861787174/chancre.html
chancre
chancre [ shángk?r ] (plural chancres)
noun
Definition:
1. ulcer indicating syphilis and other diseases: a small painless highly infectious ulcer or sore that is the first sign of syphilis and some other infectious diseases
2. ulcer: a sore or ulcer at the point where a disease-causing organism pathogen enters the body
[Late 16th century. Via French< Latin cancer 'ulcer']
chancrous adjective
Here is a better link, note the last sentence of the first paragraph where the term shancres is used.
ALSO, THERE IS A TRUELY EXCELLENT PICTURE OF THE CAPN AND A FEW OF HIS FRIENDS AT THIS LINK ALSO.
“Chancres may diminish between three to six weeks without the application of medication.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancre
CapnTurd, you really need to see someone about that soon.
Boxofrocks–
Let’s boil this down to the essentials so maybe you can get it this time–
You mispelled the word “chancre” as “shancre.”
That spelling is incorrect. I went to the Merriam-Webster dictionary site and typed in your spelling. It had no word with that spelling.
Case closed. You lose. You’re wrong.
What you posted showed the correct spelling “chancre.” Then it showed the pronunciation guide “shángk?r.”
Nowhere does it show that your original spelling of the word “shancre” is correct.
No wonder you’re a CON . . . simple commonsense reasoning eludes you . . .
Chas,
Those first verses say what I have been saying. That you are saved by faith.
Duh.
The second verse doesn’t support saying that you can be saved without faith.
BTW, you’re too dense to notice that you wrote “you’re to dense” [sic].
“Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God’s Word and His promise to perform it.”
Satan believes in Jesus…faith is action according to his word.
Link to a dictionary or a medical dictionary.
Otherwise, admit you were wrong.
Oh, wait, I forgot . . . CONs are incapable of doing that.
Look at Bush.
Okay then, CapnChancre, is that better?
You spend that much time on an ’s’ vs ‘c’ typo when everyone including yourself knows exactly what was meant.
By the way are you smiling in your picture I linked to above? If so it doesn’t help.
Sorry, Box, I don’t share your obsession with what syphilis chancres look like.
Well, actually I did.
But then I turned 9 . . .
And see, saying “I Boxlock was wrong” is not so bad, is it?
The next thing you know, you’ll be re-thinking your ignorant position on helping the poor (instead of the rich).
You are incredibly slow, and I incredibly patient to put up with it. Okay here’s Tabor’s Medical Dictionary.
http://www.tabers.com/tabersonline/ub?
Go there, type in the word ‘chancre’ and hit ‘Keyword Search’, think you can do that simple thing?
Come on are you smiling in that picture or not?
Pic Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancre
CapnAmerica,
I admitted that I made a mistake. Will you on your statment that all Cons don’t do that?
I’m shaking my head right now.
I tell you what the right spelling is.
You tell me I’m wrong, and then give me the spelling I gave you.
And then you tell me to “look it up, if I don’t believe it.”
Thanks, Boxlock.
I understand you a lot better now.
You’re just an idiot.
I’m shaking my head right now.
I tell you what the right spelling is.
You tell me I’m wrong, and then give me the spelling I gave you.
And then you tell me to “look it up, if I don’t believe it.”
Thanks, Boxlock.
I understand you a lot better now.
You’re just an idiot.
By the way ‘Capn-way too dense’
It is obvious from your need to search and focus on it you don’t even know the definition of the term.
Enough time wasted, case closed!
Playing in the dirt with pigs can get one dirty.
Yeah, I gotta give you credit, Nathan.
You did admit you were wrong.
Maybe you’re not a complete CON after all. There’re glimmers of reasoning shining through the darkness . . .
I repeat myself, “You spend that much time on an ’s’ vs ‘c’ TYPO when everyone including yourself knows exactly what was meant?”
Small Capn, really small when that’s the most you can come up with.
Elementary phonics solves that problem if you knew them. Oh well.
Boxlock posted May 17, 2008 at 10:37 pm
“… nothing but slimy syphilitic shancres[sic] from…”
Hehehe, it’s like the angry woman holding up a handlettered sign at an anti-immigration rally:
Make English the Offical Language
Uh, but would it help people like her, do you think?
At least she spelled English right . . .
Same for you cosmos, that’s the best you’ve got?
Pathetic!