Open thread 5/17


326 Comments

  1. Posted May 17, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Good Morning Editors and Wichita!!

    Should be a good day for you all to do Riverfest!

    Wish I was there to do Riverfest!

    Happy Riverfest to all!

  2. Posted May 17, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Please try to remember >>>>

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  3. JWink
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    This must be the year of the IRIS … the orchid like flower. They are blooming everywhere. I wonder if this has something to do with global warming or sunspots. Perhaps the earth is hurtling through a cosmic dust storm. Keep tuned to WE Blog for definitive answers.

  4. Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    IIRC Iris plants have blooming cycles… some years more prolific than others. One of my favorite uncles was once a big shot in the Wichita Iris Club… had LOTS of Iris’s!

  5. Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    What are Trackbacks, and why do we need them?

  6. HerbertWestIII
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    I did a yahoo search for “iris”. I found a vast site, full of information with a huge amount of types by picture, and name. It is well worth reading/visiting. It ended up being at “wikipedia”. Herbert West III, Candidate for Sheriff, Miami County Kansas, as of May 7th 2008. west.herb@yahoo.com

  7. earthdoctor
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Kansans should thank their lucky stars that we have a governor that has remained above and beyond the special interest money Sunflower has been offering. Let’s not be so stupid to believe this does not exist.

    If the people of Kansas wise up and support Governor Sebelius then Kansas will move forward economically. It is impossible for me to comprehend why some Kansans want to remain stuck in yesteryear. There is much more out for the entire state. Yes many many more jobs for the entire state that which makes our economy move forward.

    The only reason Sunflower wants these coal plants is the billions in tax dollar welfare that accompanies the industry. What a waste of money that could be directed at college loans,Vo-Tech student financial assistance and public school education. Or developing a energy generation team that promotes economic growth throughout Kansas. NE Kansas residents are willing and able to purchase windpower from western Kansas. NE Kansans want to get rid of that very polluting coal plant that sits outside Lawrence,Kansas.

    While demonstrating that renewable energy solutions are sustainable both environmentally and economically,the aim is to enact federal and state policies that support renewable energy, reduce barriers to the adoption of renewable technologies, and encourage all energy purchasers to use renewables.

    Electric utilities continue to invest in conventional coal plants despite the fact that governments are moving to restrict the heat-trapping carbon dioxide emissions from such plants. The risks are both environmental and financial(high dollar).

    Coal is simply no longer a healthy source for generating energy.

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/fossil_fuels/

    Go with new generation that will produce a ton of new economic growth for families
    throughout western Kansas rather to only the Holcomb area.

    Rebuilding economies:
    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/renewing-americas-economy.html

    There are thousands of new jobs attached to wind power,solar power, refined hydropower and geo thermal. It’s all available now. Why not go for it?

  8. Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    “There are thousands of new jobs attached to wind power,solar power, refined hydropower and geo thermal. It’s all available now. Why not go for it?”
    ===========================

    Hear Hear!! I have been saying this for a good while… not just the jobs, but the opportunity to make big returns on investments in these Green industries!!

  9. HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    An email from Allan MacRae (Allan M. R. MacRae is a professional engineer, investment banker and environmentalist. He HAS worked for oil companies so bigots need read no further. Questioning the facts he presents would be far too difficult, obviously)

    Climate is a complicated subject. However, we now know enough to be reasonably certain that man-made CO2 is NOT a significant or dangerous driver of global warming. Here some key facts:

    Since ~1940 there has been a 900% INCREASE in human-made CO2 emissions and NO net global warming, as measured by our most reliable instrumentation. The average Lower Troposphere (LT) global temperature anomaly for January-April 2008 (inclusive) is +0.02 degrees C. There has been no net LT warming since ~1980, when such measurements began. We also know that global surface temperature (ST) declined slightly from ~1940 to ~1980.

    We further know that CO2 lags temperature (CO2 trends occur after temperature trends) at all measured time scales.

    This evidence leads to the following conclusions: Increased atmospheric CO2 is NOT a significant driver of global warming, and catastrophic human-made global warming does NOT exist.

    The public is becoming aware of these facts - the recent electoral defeat of Ken Livingstone by Boris Johnson for Mayor of London is clear evidence of this shift in public awareness.

  10. lindainks55
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    A Trackback is one of three types of Linkbacks, methods for Web authors to request notification when somebody links to one of their documents. This enables authors to keep track of who is linking, and so referring, to their articles. Some weblog software programs, such as Wordpress, Movable Type, Typo and Community Server, support automatic pingbacks where all the links in a published article can be pinged when the article is published. The term is used colloquially for any kind of Linkback.

    A Trackback is an acknowledgment. This acknowledgment is sent via a network signal (ping) from the originating site to the receiving site. The receptor often publishes a link back to the originator indicating its worthiness. Trackback requires both sites to be Trackback enabled in order to establish this communication. Trackback does not require the originating site to be physically linked to the receiving site.

    Trackbacks are used primarily to facilitate communication between blogs; if a blogger writes a new entry commenting on, or referring to, an entry found at another blog, and both blogging tools support the TrackBack protocol, then the commenting blogger can notify the other blog with a “TrackBack ping”; the receiving blog will typically display summaries of, and links to, all the commenting entries below the original entry. This allows for conversations spanning several blogs that readers can easily follow.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackback

  11. Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Good Morning, Linda!! :-) And thanks!!

  12. lindainks55
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Good morning, Chas.

    A while back I asked the same question and no one answered. “THE” google is my friend. I have many questions, google has many answers.

  13. Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Seems like a lot of the track backs on this Blog are pretty much worthless… Thats why I was curious!!

  14. lindainks55
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Some individuals or companies have abused the TrackBack feature to insert spam links on some blogs. This is similar to comment spam but avoids some of the safeguards designed to stop the latter practice. As a result, TrackBack spam filters similar to those implemented against comment spam now exist in many weblog publishing systems. Many blogs have stopped using trackbacks because dealing with spam became too burdensome.

    same wiki link as above

  15. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    I didn’t realize that Obama was into semantics. So Obama will NOT sit down with Hamas to talk because they are a terriorist ORGANIZATION, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.

    But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.

    And you wonder why I call him Neville?

    The president didn’t refer to Obama, and yet he’s the one responding. Kinda like when you are in a crowded room and yell “Hey Stupid” just to see who turns and looks at you. LOL

    So the president stands in a crowded room and yells “Hey Appeaser”. Guess who turned and looked. At least he’s being truthful in what he is.

  16. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    I didn’t realize that Obama was into semantics. So Obama will NOT sit down with Hamas to talk because they are a terriorist ORGANIZATION, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.

    But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.

    And you wonder why I call him Neville?

    The president didn’t refer to Obama, and yet he’s the one responding. Kinda like when you are in a crowded room and yell “Hey Stupid” just to see who turns and looks at you. LOL

    So the president stands in a crowded room and yells “Hey Appeaser”. Guess who turned and looked. At least he’s being truthful in what he is.

  17. annie_moose
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW39nls8sTo

    for the faithful

  18. Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    LOL Annie!! Now thats just plain funny!!!

  19. Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the great jump start to my day!!

  20. Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Sure Gene — Isnt it too early to start off the day with a bunch of spinning talking points?? Why is it OK for Bush to send Secretary of State and Defense to talk to these people… But throw verbal jabs at Obama for saying he would do the same thing?? Hmmmm????

  21. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Let’s Tweak the Media: Obama to Campaign in 57 Islamic States

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051208/content/01125122.guest.html

    May 12, 2008

    Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only — Join Now!

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now? Want to participate in tweaking the Drive-By Media? You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, “Well, he’s tired.” You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and misspells potato, and we still get jokes about it. Barack Obama says he’s gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it’s been such a long campaign, he’s been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states. Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins. “Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights called combating –” yes, H.R., get ready for the phone calls up there.

    We’re participating here in a tweak of the media. Obama said he’s going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. “Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states,” this is from the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And the title of the piece here is, “How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,” and there are 57 of them. So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen? Obama’s 57 states, not just a simple gaffe. He might have been thinking of the 57 Islamic states when he said he was going to campaign in all 57 states. (laughing) Can’t wait ’til the Drive-Bys hear about this.

  22. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Not that it makes a difference to you annie_moose, but not all Christians act like TV evangelists.

    Bash much bigot?

  23. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    http://www.iheu.org/node/2546

  24. Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    IIRC the Limbaugh quote of Obama leaves out two crucial words… campaign in all 57 States
    and territories

    You all might want to double check that one.

  25. Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink
    Not that it makes a difference to you annie_moose, but not all Christians act like TV evangelists.
    =======================================

    Hallelujah! for that!!

  26. annie_moose
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    your right regular it makes no difference to me

    bigot hmmm …. I think Chas is a great guy you not so much

  27. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    annie_moose
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
    your right regular it makes no difference to me

    bigot hmmm …. I think Chas is a great guy you not so much
    ————————–
    cool, perhaps you two can embrace in a double lip lock later.

  28. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Hey Chas, I’m simply pointing out what I heard on air america yesterday. They played the clip about obama saying that he would NOT sit down and talk to a so called ORGANIZATION and would not appease them. But we’ve all heard him say that he would go and talk to Iran and appease them. I can only guess because they are a COUNTRY.

    I mean really Chas, what is he going to say to them. Pull another Albright and Jimma moment. Okay N. Korea, we’ll give you all this money and aid but you must promise, not to start up your nuke project. We’re gonna set up these cameras and if you mess with them, we are gonna send you a VERY strong letter AND we’ll tell the UN and you’ll be in trouble. Of course if you do, we’ll just send you MORE money and aid and HOPE that will work.

    What can Obama say. Well Mr. president of iran, what will it take for you to stop working on making a nuke. Give us your demands so that we may placate you.

    Do you even know that before Hitler invaded Chechoslavkia, that Britain and France both went to Hitler and actually gave him a piece of paper and asked him to write down ALL of his demands of what he wanted to NOT invade Chechoslavkia?

    I take it then that you would be okay with us abandoning Israel to placate Iran and Syria and Palestine and Al Quida?

    You know thats a great idea. I mean sure they start ganging up on Israel and we back out.

    Gee I wonder what Israel might do to protect themselves? Hmmm, gee I wonder if they might use their nuke capabilities.

    But wait you say, the middle east countries would never do anything to Israel because they know what would happen. You know you are probably right, I mean a group of people willing to let their women and children blow themselves up just to stop Iraq from governing themselves would never do anything rash.

    Of course what could be the problem with making most of the middle east glow.

    I mean hey the US has got enough oil and oil drilling and refining capabilities for us to keep our economy going. I mean the 4.00 a gallon gas isn’t hurting us now is it. I’m sure our economy can handle 10 to 20 dollar a gallon gas just fine.

    Of course we could just take the money from the oil companies. But then it wouldn’t be profitable for them to go out and find anymore new oil, now would it. So I wonder if they’d just stop looking.

    What if one of Iran’s demands is that we stop allowing blatant homosexual activities in our country. I mean since there are NO homosexuals in Iran, I’m sure they have a problem with us having them. How would obama handle this. I think that might just dry up some of his money coming out of hollywood don’t you think?

    Things that make you go hhmmmm.

  29. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Chas,

    You fail to see what Rush is trying to illustrate in his above transcript.

    How can Obama possibly be a good presidential candidate, when he doesn’t even know how many states there are in the US?

    Or does this speak of his “foreign affairs experience” that he claims?

    Any way, Rush was doing this tongue in cheek, but their certainly is some truth to it, don’t you agree?

  30. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    I think that would be funny seeing that on SNL. Showing Obama talking saying how he has been to all 57 states and know what the people want. And then a few minutes later say that he has seen all the problems in the 63 states and knows what to do. And then that he knows what to do to take care of all the people in all the 84 states. Could be funny IMHO.

  31. Posted May 17, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    No American — Not if Limbaugh left off the two additional words that Obama said…

    It makes Limbaugh out to be a Liar!

    Obama seems to have said he would campaign in all 57 States and territories… Which would be an accurate statement, I believe…

  32. Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Now, if we dont have 7 territories… then Obama’s writers have a problem… LOL

  33. Hud
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Well Chas we have 14 territories.

  34. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Chas,

    You are the only one on this blog that seems to initially come out with “You are a liar, you are a liar”, if someone does not agree with you or you don’t agree with them.

    Then you twist the words around to make it fit you.

    Do you have a genetic dispositon for that or what?

    You do it all the time!

    Quote “Any way, Rush was doing this tongue in cheek, but their certainly is some truth to it, don’t you agree?”

  35. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    An observation from the gas station.

    Went to fill the tank on the honda hybrid for the first time in over two week.s WoW! Sticker shock.
    When I finished fueling and as I was putting on the gas cap, another patron came over from his car and asked me if I had a couple of dollars. Panhandled at the gas station. At first my personal security kicked in and I examined my surroundings, who was in his car, and measured the threat level. (I didn’t know if this was going to be the first time to use my legally concealed handgun).

    In the car, was a woman in the backseat sitting next to a small child in an infant seat. Broad daylight, lot’s of traffic, and station operator could clearly see the pumps. Reduced my threat meter to green. This was just someone who needed money, and clearly was not experienced at begging.
    Of course, I don’t carry any cash, so I told him no and went on my way.

    Driving home, listening to AM news radio, I heard another report that stealing gas was becoming popular again. Only this time, they are not just using sucking it out with hoses - they are actually drilling holes in the gas tanks!

    We have a problem. I believe it is only going to get worse. There isn’t a compassionate answer or solution. This is theft and burglary. Stiffer enforcement and longer sentences to discourage this wreckless (and dangerous) behavior. Do I sound mean? Sorry, but think about it. Gas prices are not going to come down. In fact, they are going to go much, much higher.

    Might as well begin thinking about a solution to this one. And BTW, I am not supporting a solution involving another government handout. We aren’t going to issue gas cards along with the WIC, free cheese, subsidized rent, and EIC advance payments. Again, not being mean, but that is not an option.

    We need to discourage consumption. The supply is not going to get any better for a number of reasons.

    Lastly, our federal politicians STILL do not get it. Their feel good legislation to stop filling the strategic reserve, to increase supply, only encourages MORE consumption. I also heard it will only reduce fuel costs by a portion of a penny a gallon. Short term, short sighted knee jerk reactions. No long term solution.

  36. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    So what is the obama campaign saying? That he was refering to the territories or was he just tired. Which is it? Or he had a “quayle” moment and it is okay for us to drag it out the rest of the campaign and make jokes about it for the next 20 years. Its gotta be one of them.

    But of course I’m refering to a Lib, so THEY are allowed to have it both ways.

  37. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Obama Goofs in Cape Girardeau

    May 14, 2008

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051408/content/01125110.guest.html

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama was in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, yesterday. I watched the speech, watched his appearance, did not see all the Q&A. But we heard enough. Here is a portion of remarks made by Barack Obama in Rush Limbaugh country.

    OBAMA: Right now, we don’t have enough troops, and NATO hasn’t provided enough troops because they are still angry about us going into Iraq. So we just don’t have enough capacity right now to deal with — and it’s not just troops, by the way. It’s like Arab — Arab — Arabic interpreters, Arab language speakers, we only have a certain number of them, and if they’re all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them, and — and obviously they may not speak Arabic, but the various dialects that they speak in Afghanistan, oftentimes people who speak Urdu or Pashtun or whatever the languages are, they’re going to be needed in those areas, and a lot of them have ended up being placed elsewhere. So we’ve got to focus on Afghanistan.

    RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, what you just heard was the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee wandering aimlessly in desperate hope for a cogent thought. His point was, he was trying to tell these people in his audience in Cape Girardeau yesterday that our foreign policy is all screwed up because every asset that we need to actually win the war against Islamofascists is in Iraq, and that’s a phony war, it shouldn’t have happened, we don’t even have any Arabic translators for Afghanistan. And then he quickly realized, wait a minute, they don’t speak Arabic there, oh, God, what am I going to do, then he makes up a couple languages that they speak, but then he said, we need some Arabic translators there because you never know who is there. They speak Dari and Pashto in Afghanistan. I have been there. Afghans do not speak Arabic. Now, this is from the guy who said he’s visited 57 states. This is the guy who, by the way, when he was on the floor of the US Senate yesterday was not wearing his American flag lapel pin. When he showed up in Cape Girardeau, he was wearing his American flag lapel pin.

    Now, here’s the thing about this. Nobody would be making a big deal of it other than he started it. He made a big point of telling everybody why he was not going to wear the flag pin after 9/11 because he wanted to show real patriotism, patriotism ideas, not the patriotism of symbols. So he brought it up so people started paying attention to it. And a lot of people said, “Come on, there’s other things about Obama that we can talk about. Let’s not mess around the flag pin business, that’s not going to get us anywhere.” But now he takes it off, now he takes it on, depending on where he is, he puts it on depending on where he is, he takes it off. On the floor of the Senate, doesn’t want the flag pin on, probably doesn’t want his Democrat buddies to see it, but when he gets on Cape Girardeau in a Republican district, swing state, bammo, time to put the flag pin back on. I’m just telling you, if this guy were Dan Quayle, can I channel Geraldine Ferraro? If Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago. Now, Democrats keep telling us that George W. Bush is an idiot, and a lot of Democrats think that George W. Bush is an idiot because he can’t speak, he can’t articulate. Here’s Obama. Let’s listen to this again. Audio sound bite number five. Here’s Obama without a teleprompter. You tell me if what you’re hearing is a man with gravitas.

    OBAMA: Right now, we don’t have enough troops, and NATO hasn’t provided enough troops because they are still angry about us going into Iraq. So we just don’t have enough capacity right now to deal with — and it’s not just troops, by the way. It’s like Arab — Arab — Arabic interpreters, Arab language speakers, we only have a certain number of them, and if they’re all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them, and — and obviously they may not speak Arabic, but the various dialects that they speak in Afghanistan, oftentimes people who speak Urdu or Pashtun or whatever the languages are —

    RUSH: Pashto.

    OBAMA: — they’re going to be needed in those areas, and a lot of them have ended up being placed elsewhere. So we’ve got to focus on Afghanistan.

    RUSH: Wow! Now, there’s a giant intellect on parade. That, ladies and gentlemen, is an intimidating intellect. There, I guess, is the gravitas that the Democrats keep telling us George W. Bush lacks. Forty percentage points, Hillary Clinton wins in West Virginia by 40 percentage points, and the Drive-By Media today is just ripping its hair out: Why won’t she quit? Why won’t she quit for the good of the party? Why won’t she get out? Drive-Bys, she’s not doing this for you. Drive-Bys, what’s the big deal with the party? Are you a member of the Democrat Party? I thought you guys were objective and all that. What do you care what happens to the Democrat Party? Why won’t she get out? They’re also upset that their guy can’t close the deal. Sit around and say that all these Republicans are voting against McCain in the primaries, which they are, how about all these Democrats voting against Obama since February 22nd, Drive-Bys? Why don’t you tell us about that?

    (playing of Every Little Thing She Does is Tragic)

    The newspaper in my hometown of Cape Girardeau, Missouri, ran a story today on the Barack Obama visit to Cape Girardeau. Headline: “Candidate’s Visit Draws Supporters, Curious to Thorngate Lot.” That’s the manufacturing plant. “Dozens and dozens of people milled around in the parking lot and –” dozens and dozens? For a presidential candidate? (interruption) Hey, look, H.R. — he just said, “Hey, it’s your hometown.” There are a lot of Democrats in that town. You wouldn’t believe, I get some of the most hateful letters to the editor written about me in my hometown paper, you wouldn’t believe it. They have this section called Speak Out. My North Carolina mistress sends me all this stuff. Oh, some of the most vicious anti-Rush Limbaugh letters to the editor are to be found not just in the Palm Beach Post here, but in my hometown paper. Plenty of Democrats there. But only dozens and dozens show up to see the new Democrat Party’s messiah?

    And, of course, the Southeast Missourian goes out and talks to some of these people. “Van Ayers, Nancy Caldwell Ayers, stood in line waiting for a security check before entering Thorngate. They said they came to see the next president of the United States. Another guy, Billy Curry, 41, ‘Yeah, I just came here to get a glimpse. I’ve never voted in a presidential election before, but I’m going to do it this year.’ Kim Baker, who owns Bootheel Cash just a block away from Thorngate,” I have no idea what that is, Bootheel Cash. “She closed her shop to take her daughter, Savannah, and an employee, Tempest Southall, to wait in the parking lot. ‘Nah, not that we’re supporters of Barack, but if he becomes president, my daughter, I thought she needs to possibly see him. She has seen George W. Bush.’” And the last person they talked to Betty Michel, “We want Obama to know that he does have friends down in southeast Missouri and Cape Girardeau, and phooey on Rush Limbaugh.”

    END TRANSCRIPT

  38. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    But he will sit down and talk with Iran, which is a COUNTRY, who calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and will not recognize Israel.

    generaston just to add to your post - Iran has been caught red handed supplying arms to the terror organizations on the gaza strip. Iranian flagged ships loaded with assault rifles, mortars, bombs, and ammunition. Traced back to Iran and Irans government (they hide behind two governments: political muslim/religious muslim).

    Iranian arms also traced to the terrorists in Lebanon. Also linked arms flow via Syria to Lebanon, via the Bekka Valley terror camps. When the democratically elected leaders in Lebanon get blown up and shot - the Lebanese people rioted burning Syrian and Iranian flags. They know the deal.

    Iran is clearly a terrorist state.

    That said - it is time to cut off all foreign aid to the middle east and the world for that matter. Not our job to be policemen nor to fund their governments.

  39. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Sounds like Sen. Kennedy had a stroke this morning and has been airlifted to Mass General. No real word yet on his condition.

    Strokes are just horrible. Cruel, really.

    Cant wait for the wingnuts to pile on this one.

    Show us who you really are, wingnuts!

  40. Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Current U.S. Territories

    Guam
    Northern Mariana Islands (commonwealth)
    Puerto Rico (commonwealth)
    United States Virgin Islands
    American Samoa
    Marshall Islands
    District of Columbia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States#Classification_of_current_U.S._territories

  41. Hud
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Missed a few Chas

    American Samoa
    Baker Island
    Guam
    Howland Island
    Jarvis Island
    Johnston Atoll
    Kingman Reef
    Midway Islands
    Navassa Island
    Northern Mariana Islands
    Palmyra Atoll
    Puerto Rico
    Virgin Islands
    Wake Island

  42. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Hope it is not a serious stroke kfg. Hope Senator Kennedy gets well fast and recovers.

  43. Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Hud — IF you read that web site, and not just wanted to post something different to be obnoxious, you would see that I already listed American Samoa and Guam in my list…

    The web site clearly states that the rest of those in your list, are UNinhabited…. The seven I listed, plus 50 States, should show you that Obama maybe could have said what he said a little better… but he didnt say it wrong, since he did say 57 states “and territories”

    As I stated earlier, RUSH left out “and territories” Why??? I dont know… but having heard rush over the years, probably just because he could get mileage from the Right Wing… LOL

  44. Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    +++ Blessings on Senator Kennedy +++

  45. Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    CNN now says Kennedy is under evaluation, at Mass. General…

  46. Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Is that all Rush has? Pitiful. Ya gotta give the guy (Rush) credit. He just keeps going and going and going… Too bad he doesn’t just go so far that he falls off the edge.

    American_Way,
    Was that the same panhandler you saw at the same gas station the last time you posted the same story? Hey, at least you’re recycling!

  47. Boxlock
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    “CNN reported Kennedy was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital with symptoms of a stroke…”
    I sincerely hope he is okay for his sake and his family’s, but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again. Have they checked that yet?

  48. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Does this administration even know what Neville Chamberline (sp) did in 1938? You see, if we knew what Neville did that was appeasing, then we could check to see if Obama is doing that. That way we could decide for ourselves if Obama is appeasing or not. Also we could decide whether McCain was appeasing in 2006 or not. Do I need to ask it 15 times before I get some type of Czechoslovokia answer, like Chris Matthews had to? No, wait, my mistake, Matthews finally got an “I don’t know” answer.

    Now do I chuckle or chortle?

  49. Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Annie,

    Thanks for the link and a glorious laugh! I feel blessed now. :)

  50. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    On Gay Rights.

    Every person in this country has better rights and privileges than any other country in the world!

    I respect every person in this country, as it is deserved.

    Some would say you have to earn respect, but I believe that basic respect should be given to all as a human being, until such time as you show me otherwise and I loose that respect.

    You have the right to pursue happiness and work for a good living to support yourself and your family. This work for a good living is the pursuit of gainful employment based upon your gifts and talents and/or training to be gainfully employed by a company or to work for yourself. I do not see employment as a “right” (as in guaranteed just because you exist) to be given to all, but something to be gained by working towards it.

    The level of living has done nothing but go up in the last 200 years.

    But rights and privileges can only go so far and be beneficial to society.

    If gays did not want to push their “rights” to be gay upon everybody else, they would not be in the place that they are today.

    They only have themselves to blame for their current status. If they had kept their lifestyles behind closed doors, (but that in itself would not bring approval, and it would not be demanding endorsement and approval from society) we as a society would not be directly involved as much with it.

    They then could still get employment, healthcare, etc. But, these are not rights either, but earned privileges, as some may believe.

    But, no, they want special “rights” to be approved and accepted by society, even to the point of being married and having “children” and gain all the benefits (not rights) of being heterosexual.

    Now mind you, the failure of heterosexual marriages, and/or the effect co-habitation outside of marriage, have certainly had an affect on this, as well as the effect of both parents working and children dealing with broken marriages, born out of wedlock, etc.

    Do I expect an overall positive response to what I am saying?

    No!

    I believe that we, as a nation, have lost the meaning of freedom, rights, and priveleges.

    Freedom is a given, coupled with responsibility and justice tempered with mercy.

    You have the right to pursue that freedom, no matter WHO you are. This is a given.

    You have the right to free speech, as long as it does not involve slander or libel.

    You have the right to move about freely, up to the point that you are harming society or yourself.

    You have the right to worship God freely.

    Privileges are earned by working towards them.

    Privileges should not be a given to anyone.

  51. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
    Sounds like Sen. Kennedy had a stroke this morning and has been airlifted to Mass General. No real word yet on his condition.

    Strokes are just horrible. Cruel, really.

    Cant wait for the wingnuts to pile on this one.

    Show us who you really are, wingnuts!”

    I am very sorry to hear that Ted had a stroke. It can be very dibilitating (sp). Hopefully he will regain all of his faculties.

  52. Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Not that I think drinking is the answer, but if I was Ted Kennedy, I’d hide in a bottle, too. Just how many of you have watched your two brothers be shot and killed on national news? The history of the Kennedy family is one example of how money doesn’t buy happiness. The Kennedy Curse continues.

  53. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Worlds highest fuel prices: May 6th, 2008

    Rank Country Price/dollar Percent
    gallon US Avg

    1 Eritrea $9.58 278%

    2 Norway $8.73 253%

    3 United Kingdom
    $8.38 243%

    4 Netherlands
    $8.37 243%

    5 Monaco
    $8.31 240%

    6 Iceland $8.28 240%

    7 Belgium $8.22 238%

    8 France $8.07 234%

    9 Germany
    $7.86 227%

    10 Portugal $7.84 227%

    108th United States
    $3.45 100%

    Fuel taxes vary between 50 percent and 75 percent across Europe.

    Fuel taxes vary in the US, but together Federal and State excise taxes on fuel account for an average cost of approximately 62 cents per gallon. Fuel tax nationally averages aprox 18 percent.

    (Kansas fuel tax .43 cents. Combines State .25 cents plus federal .18 cents. So the fuel tax in Kansas is approximately 12%.) Using the 3.45 per gallon.

  54. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
    Does this administration even know what Neville Chamberline (sp) did in 1938? You see, if we knew what Neville did that was appeasing, then we could check to see if Obama is doing that. That way we could decide for ourselves if Obama is appeasing or not. Also we could decide whether McCain was appeasing in 2006 or not. Do I need to ask it 15 times before I get some type of Czechoslovokia answer, like Chris Matthews had to? No, wait, my mistake, Matthews finally got an “I don’t know” answer.

    Now do I chuckle or chortle?
    ————————————-
    Obama’s name was not used in President Bush’s speech, so why did Obama respond?

    The best answer I found was in an editorial. When some one shouts “hey stupid!” in a crowd do you turn around or do you look to see who turns around?

    Obama turned around.

  55. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    I agree with most of what you say American. Given the context of the homosexual debate in the past 2 days (surrounding marriage) Is marriage a right, a freedom or a privilege?
    If a freedom, great. Homosexuals may end up with the responsibility of child support, alimony etc. I’m sure they wouldn’t object to that stipulation. KFG, do I presume too much by saying that?
    If a right, Kansas law is unconstitutional.
    If a privilege, how can a heterosexual couple lose their privilege to be married if they both wish to stay married?

  56. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink
    “but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again. Have they checked that yet?”

    Uncalled for and callous.

  57. Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Get out and enjoy this beautiful day, WEBloggers! I’ll check back later to see if there’s been any bodily harm done to anyone. I’m off to stake out a spot for my family (there’s 10 of us this year!) on the riverbank where we’ll enjoy this afternoon and evening’s entertainment.

  58. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why Obama responded Regular? Ask him. I just want to know what this president considers appeasing. That way I can choose between Obama and McCain. Who appeases less?

  59. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    “Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink
    Not that I think drinking is the answer, but if I was Ted Kennedy, I’d hide in a bottle, too. Just how many of you have watched your two brothers be shot and killed on national news? The history of the Kennedy family is one example of how money doesn’t buy happiness. The Kennedy Curse continues.”

    No one brought up drinking besides Boxlock.

    What was originally posted had to do with a stroke. Why make it more?

    I don’t agree with Ted Kennedy, but shouldn’t we be concerened for him and not wish him ill will?

  60. StevenEDavis
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    In England they pay over $8.00 per gal. of gas. Our gasoline is actually cheap.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2191491/

    Saudis ignore Bush on his request for increased output of oil:

    http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/404649.html

  61. HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Well Farm lady,

    Perhaps, just maybe, your perception of conservatives doesn’t match reality.

    However, whenever a republican or conservative is ill will you acknowledge the hate and vitriol from moveon.org,the demunderground, huffington post, et al?

    Perhaps the pig squeals before she’s poked!

  62. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock” sincerely posts about Sen. Kennedy –

    “I sincerely hope he is okay for his sake and his family’s…”

    And I, just as sincerely, believe you “Boxlock.” Until you just couldn’t resist adding –

    “…but how can they tell a difference, he always acts strange, maybe he’s just drunk again.”

    Real classy, “Boxlock.”

    I’ll keep that in mind when they cart Bob Dole off to the hospital with something like, “Maybe he OD’d on Viagra and experienced an errection lastinig more than four hours!” Is that tacky enough for your taste?

    Or when Dick Cheney suffers his next (6th, right?) heart attack, I can chime in with, “Heart attack?! What heart?!”

    Think of all the opportunities I’ve missed, not realizing what passes for witty repartee in your book. Back when Arlen Specter was going though chemotherapy, I could have pulled out a lot of skinhead jokes and you’d've been delighted! Hey, get this: “The only reason George WMD Bush gave up gold is that he found out it wasn’t a Special Olympics sport!”

    Or, “Hey, have you seen the Walter Reed hospital room of that blinded Iraq veteran? Neither has he!!!”

    Hey, you can book me to entertain at all your Republic Party gatherings. I promise not to ask you to tip the servers, since you’re Republicans and all.

    Sincerely…

  63. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Stuck on fuel.

    Revenues from Europe’s high gas taxes are used to fund a variety of things. One thing they have built is better public transportation. The people living in Europe and much of Asia drive smaller more fuel efficient vehicles and use public transportation extensively. Consumption throughout Europe is down. Productivity and GDP is growing in Europe and many of these countries have more social programs and strong economies.

    Lesson learned: We need to RAISE the federal fuel tax. (yep, a conservative posting this is Blasphemy!)

    The revenue generated could be used for a variety of national programs.

    On the green side:
    - Fund energy research
    - Fund mass transportation (rail and bus)
    - Fund cleanup/EPA projects
    - Build a national refinery
    - Provide tax incentives for high MPG cars
    - Repair/build Road, bridges, commuter rail, rail
    - Endless list

    On the social side:
    - Provide health insurance for 15 million
    - Pay down the national debt
    - Provide low income mass trans discounts
    - Again endless, but strict limited control

    The US should raise the the federal tax one dollar. $1.62 per gallon. This would put the percentage just under 50%.

    Hurt? Yes initially.

    But look at the good long term solutions:

    1. Consumption would drop
    2. More fuel efficient vehicle sales
    3. Less gas guzzling vehicle sales
    4. In place mass transportation systems
    5. Less national debt
    6. Health insurance for those without
    7. Cleaner environment & less CO2 emmissions
    8. Stronger economy better infrastructure
    9. Nation prepared for no oil less oil

    The alternative is to put our collective heads in the sand and keep looking at short term solutions for today.

    Like stopping deliveries to the Strategic Oil Reserve. Please.

  64. HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Actually Steven,

    Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.

  65. HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    When gas approaches $6 a gallon here people will start throwing rocks at politicians that embrace the AGW BS.

    Gas pries will eventually come down here, when they peak I’ll buy the Humvee I’ve always wanted!

  66. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    American_Way,

    Some of what you posted sounds good.

    Yes, Europe uses more mass transit.

    But their economies are doing worse off than ours, alot due to the dollar, but also due to all of their entitlements.

    Europes unemployment is much greater then ours.

    Trust our government to do all of this with increased gas taxes?

    I don’t know.

  67. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I just love it, “Regular,” when you Cons feign naivete’ with stuff like –

    “Obama’s name was not used in President Bush’s speech, so why did Obama respond?”

    Simultaneously, the Right Wing Slime Machine was on Limbaugh, Faux News, and all the wingnut blogs railing about “appeasement.”

    It was a coordinated attack. So obvious as to be beneath the used-to-be vaunted Rovian spin mechanism.

    Go to Israel and conjure up images of Hitler.

    Really subtle. Really classy.

    And it’s really ironic. Now John McSame is inextricably joined-at-the-hip with Shrub’s Mid-East policies! Now that’s a winning strategy!

  68. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Monkeyhawk, there is no history with Hitler and the Jewish people that live in Israel. Bush was just babbling incoherent to bring up a matter of history that had nothing to do with Jews.

    Naivete’, I think not. A Junior Senator from Illinois suddenly has become an authority on Foreign Policy.

    I not the one who is naive here.

  69. Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    OK –

    Sec’y State goes to Mid East and talks to Iran and Hammas — Bushco says thats good!!

    Sec’y Defense goes to Mid East and talks to Iran and Hammas — Bushco says thats good!!

    Obama says when he is President he will go to Mid East and talk to Iran and Hammas — Bushco calls that appeasing…

    What is wrong with this picture??

  70. Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    And what, pray tell, is Bush’s vast knowledge and experience on foreign policy??

  71. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    “American” imparts this bit of “wisdom” with –

    [Europe’s] “…economies are doing worse off than ours, alot {sic} due to the dollar….”

    WHAT?!

    The Euro is killing the dollar!

    The Europeans just got a Pentagon tanker deal because they could deliver more airplane for the dollar Euro precisely because their economy is booming and the Shrub economy is tanking.

    Look. If you’re gonna lie, at least try.

  72. Phantom
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Consumer sentiment lowest since Carter/Reagan years. I knew bush could beat them.

  73. Phantom
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Thinking must be if the Rovian terrorist fear strategy worked twice, it’ll work three times. If it works keep doing it!

  74. Phantom
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Six dollars a gallon, and six dollars will get you a hamburger in Europe, hold the fries.

  75. Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” claims –

    “I not the one who is naive here.”

    I’ll grant you that, “Regular.” You haven’t advanced to “naive” yet. You’re stuck in stupid.

    Perhaps the greatest (and only) diplomatic achievement of the George WMD Bush Administration has been his negotiations with Muammar al-Gaddafi which restored diplomatic realations with the US and Libya.

    John Sidney McCain the Third has advocated negotiation with Hamas. (Or, at least, he was for it before he was against it.)

    No, “Regular.” You’re gonna have to do a lot of homework to get yourself close enough into reality to achieve “naive” status.

    Good luck with that.

  76. Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    At least we still get the fries for $6!! LOL

  77. Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, and a medium drink too!!

  78. Phantom
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Bush has two wars under his foreign policy belt, quagmired in both.

  79. Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Phantom, he does NOW — He didnt when he was first elected…

  80. StevenEDavis
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
    Actually Steven,

    Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.
    **********
    Thanks, Hank. My source was the Slate article. The era of very cheap gas is over in the U.S. of A. I do have to wonder if the Saudis would have listened to Bush if he were not a lame duck?

    They pay 50 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia. I heard about a couple of teachers who were moving to Qatar (?spelling) where they will pay about 70 cents a gallon for gas. But you’d have to live in those countries to get those low prices. I don’t think it would be worth it.

  81. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Not to pick nits but gas in the UK is approximately 1.3 pounds per liter right now, which is less than $6 a gallon.

    Hank? Are you sure those numbers are correct?
    My math sucks, but here goes:

    1 gallon US = 3.7854178 liters
    1.3 pounds per liter

    So
    I’d take 1.3 pounds x 3.7854178 liters to get a gallon. That would mean the pounds it would take to equal a gallon = 4.9210431

    1 British pound = 1.9542 U.S. dollars

    So

    4,9210431 x 1.9542 = $9.62 for one gallon.

    What am I missing?

  82. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    2006 Interview with John McCain. “I can understand why the Bush administration won’t talk to them (guess who) but this is the new reality” That is not an argument on how McCain may supposedly “appease”

    Please draw the distinctions between that interview and what Barack Obama says. Aside from the fact that Obama clearly stated that he WONT talk to (guess who)

    While your at it draw the distinctions between Obama speaking with Iran and; Nixon speaking with China, Kennedy with USSR, Reagan with USSR, Rumsfeld with Hussein, (ok, that one was just being a smart A**) Please give me the distinctions.

  83. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    BTW, my source for my earlier post was a recent CNN/MONEY website article. May 6th prices.

    American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Rank Country Price/dollar Percent
    gallon US Avg

    3 United Kingdom
    $8.38 243%

  84. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    For LLTVET,

    Read “Munich; Prologue to Tragedy” by J.w. Wheeler-Bennett.

    If you can’t match that up with Obama, then you ain’t trying.

  85. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    MoneyHawk,

    I am still waiting…………..

    Tick, tock, tick, tock………….

  86. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    AmWay, you’ve made an excellent argument for increasing the gas tax to fund mass transit.

    As you point out, the current price of gas in the US is 1/2 the price they pay in Europe. All the Libs here admire and revel at the wunnerful Socialist system they have in Europe.

    Now is exactly the right time to take another step toward that great European Socialist model.

    Your plan AmWay will:

    - Encourage a reduction in the burning of fossil fuels, moving people toward mass transportation.

    - Thus less burning of gas will help solve the global warming problem, and we need to act immediately or the world will soon be in flames.

    - Help the Lib Global Warming Alarmists put their money where their mouths are, that is, through conservation we can solve Global Warming and the Energy crisis at the same time.

    - Making the US less dependent on foreign oil will improve the strategic defense of the US, making us less vulnerable to OPEC boycots. Plus, we can get our troops out of the mideast and let the sand jockeys drown in their oil which we will no longer need to buy.

    - The gas tax will help pay for the mass transportation.

    - Being forced into riding with our neighbors in mass transportation settings will improve human relations.

    - With joy riding in cars eliminated, teen pregnancy and abortions will be reduced.

    - The benefits are endless AmWay!

    Great plan! I have no idea why the Libs keep btiching about high gas prices. It’s exactly what we need! And Al Gore himself proposed higher gas taxes 10+ years ago!

    Let’s do it now!

    Effective 7/1/2008, the US Federal gas tax shall be raised from 18.4 cents/gallon to 518.4 cents/gallon.

    The avg price of gas will then be in the range of $8.50/gallon, just what they now get to pay in Europe!

  87. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and thru conservation, there will be:

    - No need for more oil drilling in the US!

    - No need for more nuke reactors!

    - No need for nasty coal!

    Happy Days are Here Again!

  88. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
    “Regular” claims –

    “I not the one who is naive here.”

    I’ll grant you that, “Regular.” You haven’t advanced to “naive” yet. You’re stuck in stupid.

    Perhaps the greatest (and only) diplomatic achievement of the George WMD Bush Administration has been his negotiations with Muammar al-Gaddafi which restored diplomatic realations with the US and Libya.

    John Sidney McCain the Third has advocated negotiation with Hamas. (Or, at least, he was for it before he was against it.)

    No, “Regular.” You’re gonna have to do a lot of homework to get yourself close enough into reality to achieve “naive” status.

    Good luck with that.
    —————————-

    So in your own quaint way, you’re admitting that you were wrong when Bush brought up Hitler in the Jewish state of Israel.

    Or please convince me that you are not completely out of touch with reality.

  89. Boxlock
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Monkey,
    Glad I could provide you with the excuse you were looking for to say what you been waiting to say all along. And that’s the truth!

    “I’ll keep that in mind when they cart Bob Dole off to the hospital with something like, “Maybe he OD’d on Viagra and experienced an errection lastinig more than four hours!” Is that tacky enough for your taste?

    Or when Dick Cheney suffers his next (6th, right?) heart attack, I can chime in with, “Heart attack?! What heart?!”

    Think of all the opportunities I’ve missed, not realizing what passes for witty repartee in your book. Back when Arlen Specter was going though chemotherapy, I could have pulled out a lot of skinhead jokes and you’d’ve been delighted! Hey, get this: “The only reason George WMD Bush gave up gold is that he found out it wasn’t a Special Olympics sport!”

    Or, “Hey, have you seen the Walter Reed hospital room of that blinded Iraq veteran? Neither has he!!!”

    Hey, you can book me to entertain at all your Republic Party gatherings. I promise not to ask you to tip the servers, since you’re Republicans and all.”

    I hope he is okay and recovers from whatever is going on…they don’t even know as yet, but the truth is he is a drunk, and he killed a young woman while drinking and has never expressed his responsibility for that or that he ran to protect himself.

  90. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    Will you check my math above, in response to Hank’s
    post.

    CNN/Money gave me the UK price for gas in gallons.
    But Hank says it’s less than $6 bucks.

    Since I’m just a dumb ole retired jarhead, and Hank
    actually had the ASVAB scores to make it into the sub fleet, I hate to disagree with him.

    (Marines only had to spell their first names correctly. The navy required full first, middle, and last name.)

  91. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    “Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
    “American” imparts this bit of “wisdom” with –

    [Europe’s] “…economies are doing worse off than ours, alot {sic} due to the dollar….”

    WHAT?!

    The Euro is killing the dollar!

    The Europeans just got a Pentagon tanker deal because they could deliver more airplane for the dollar Euro precisely because their economy is booming and the Shrub economy is tanking.

    Look. If you’re gonna lie, at least try.”

    MoneyHawk,

    What are the sales of Airbus products based upon?

    In Euros or the US Dollar?

    What are the sales of most world products based upon?

    Th US Dollar?

  92. Phantom
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Pardon my understatement above, just read this on a blog.
    In UK it is a very relaxed lifestyle. It’s beautiful…Trust me, I live there.
    Things are more expensive compared to America. The American Dollar is 75 or 80 cents. Not very much.
    On average, a coca-cola costs $4 american dollars.
    So…It’s expensive.
    But it’s worthwhile.
    I’ve traveled almost all over Europe, it’s delightful and lovely.
    Have a good trip there!

    So hold the hamburger and fries, just give me the cola!

  93. Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    VET — There are no distinctions… it’s all smoke and mirrors to try to swift boat Obama into looking like an Islamic sympathier…

  94. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    gener. Looks like I can match it up to 2006 McCain as well. Without much effort.

  95. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Oh, we NEED Government intervention to raise gas prices and encourage mass transportation.

    The Capitalist Market doesn’t work, everybody knows that.

    And people don’t do what we want them to do Unless we get the Government to force them to do it.

    Mass transit use is already up in the US with gas at $3.50/gal. Just think, we can get the Government to force everybody to ride the bus/train!

    That’s what Freedom is all about!

  96. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    American

    MoneyHawk,

    I am still waiting…………..

    Tick, tock, tick, tock………….

  97. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I’ll give you this also LLTVET. I have no idea what McCain has said in regards to Hamas or Iran. Since he is a complete RINO and got the nomination I have NOT paid attention to a thing he has to say. I going to write in Fred Thompson in the Primary this Tuesday.

    I am just flinching, holding my nose and grabbing my wallet at the thought of ANY of these three becoming president.

    However please go to a used bookstore and try and find the book I pointed out earlier. It was originally released in 1948 and from what I’ve heard from Obama, and dealing with our enemies, it really is frightening the similarities.

  98. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
    Max,

    Will you check my math above, in response to Hank’s
    post.
    —————————————————

    I’m no good at math AmWay, maybe Chas can do it.

    Besides, I’m going over to Europe next month, so I’ll just look at the pump and post back here.

  99. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see, if the Income tax increases from 10% to 11%, that must be a 1% increase!

  100. Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Gas where I am today is $3.89/gallon $3.50 would look like a miracle here!! LOL

  101. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    AmWay, we’re gonna need a big Federal Tax on natural gas and electricity too!

  102. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
    Oh, we NEED Government intervention to raise gas prices and encourage mass transportation.

    The Capitalist Market doesn’t work, everybody knows that.

    And people don’t do what we want them to do Unless we get the Government to force them to do it.

    Mass transit use is already up in the US with gas at $3.50/gal. Just think, we can get the Government to force everybody to ride the bus/train!

    That’s what Freedom is all about!”

    So how to you propose that the government force the above? Othere than increasing the price of gas?

    Alot of companies are on the edge now and they would be gone.

    Doesn’t sound like freedom to me at all.

    Sounds more like socialism.

  103. Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    AmWay, your math looks pretty close… when in doubt, use the calculator on your puter!!

  104. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I can’t remember the gas price Chas, cause Hillary usually fills up my tank for me.

  105. HLP
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Hey American Way,

    Your math was correct, my numbers are wrong. However, gas is less than $6 a gallon in the UK. However, inflation is worse there than here.

  106. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    American,

    Socialism is a good thing! Haven’t you been reading my posts here and the other Lib posts here?

    Of the People, By the People, and For the People.

    We all need to share, and help each other. What better way then to use the Government to Force us to conserve and share our limited energy resources, then to have a massive tax increase?

  107. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Drivers braced for more petrol price rises
    Daily Mail
    16 April 2008, 8:45am

    Luke Bosdet of the Automobile Association said: ‘Every day is a record high. It just keeps on going up and up and up.’ He said prices were rising by about 1p every ten days. It now costs £54 to fill up a typical car. A litre of unleaded costs an average of 107.94p while diesel has hit 117.13p.

    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=440433&in_page_id=2

    Notice the cost to fill a typical car? 54 pounds.
    1 British pound = 1.9542 U.S. dollars

    So it costs the equivalent of $105.52 dollars to fill a typical car in the UK as of 16 April.

    Me thinks my math is better than Hanks.

    But wish someone would correct me. (sort of unusual that no one has on this blog. Usually people are quick to correct others posts.)

  108. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Gas per gallon equivalent in U.K. I come up with $8.40/gallon
    Calculations below

    Constructs Used

    100 pence = 1 british pound

    1 pence = $0.19 dollar

    3.79 liters per gallon

    Exchange rate 1 pence = 0.0197 dollar

    As of april 2008 gas (petrol prices in the U.K.)
    current prices in U.K.
    http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuel/

    Petrol112.6 p/litre
    Diesel124.2 p/litre
    ==================================
    Calculations

    112.6pence/litre * 0.0197pence/dollar = 2.218litre/dollar

    2.218litre/dollarx 3.79 liters/gallon = 8.40dollar/gallon

  109. LLTVET
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Gener: How is talking with anyone similar to signing the Munich Pact?

  110. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink
    American,

    Socialism is a good thing! Haven’t you been reading my posts here and the other Lib posts here?

    Of the People, By the People, and For the People.

    We all need to share, and help each other. What better way then to use the Government to Force us to conserve and share our limited energy resources, then to have a massive tax increase?”

    Surely my detector of mocking spirits is going off right now, eh?

    Ding, ding, ding, ding………..

    Oh I forgot that the god Fed is the answer to all of our problems and all we have to do is set back and he will take (care) of us!

    Was that take (care) or take care of us?

  111. generaston
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Hey Chas, I’m still waiting for a response to my 9:45 post. What is it that you think Obama will talk or ask of Iran when he sits down and talks to them. What do you think Obama will give or not give up to prevent Iran from going after nukes.

    I’m serious here, what do you think would be Obamas goal. There is no right or wrong answer here. What do you think he should ask or not ask for. If you were president what would you be willing to give or not give.

  112. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Typical car in Europe has a 12-14 gal (equivalent) tank.

    $105/12 gal = $8.75/gal

    Chas, check my math.

    Let’s see, a Fed Tax increase from 18.4 cents to 518.4 cents would be what percent increase?

    500 cents!

  113. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink
    “AmWay, your math looks pretty close… when in doubt, use the calculator on your puter!!”

    LOL - first a guy would have to know HOW to use the calculator. Heck, I’m still shaky and sweating from trying to determine the correct formula’s and logic!

  114. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Obama will talk to Iran to plan how to make the US the 58th State.

  115. Nathaniel
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Don’t All Religions Lead to God?

    We live in a context of spiritual longing. Many people are searching for that which will satisfy an inner craving for meaning and significance. The artist Damian Hirst recently said this: “Why do I feel so important when I’m not? Nothing is important and everything is important. I do not know why I am here but I am glad that I am. I’d rather be here than not. I am going to die and I want to live forever, I can’t escape that fact, and I can’t let go of that desire.”

    But somehow this does not always translate into people finding Christ and starting to follow him. There is a dizzying array of options when it comes to religion, and the culture around us says that they are all equally valid. It seems absolutely bizarre to people that someone would say, “This one way is the truth and the only truth.” The poet Steve Turner describes brilliantly what many think when it comes to religion: “Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammed, and ourselves. We believe he was a good teacher of morals but we believe that his good morals are really bad. We believe that all religions are basically the same, at least the one we read was. They all believe in love and goodness, they only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.”

    In my experience, there are usually two motivations for dismissing the idea that Christ is the only way to God, and we need to examine them both. The first objection is that it is arrogant to say that Jesus is the only way. How could Christians possibly be so arrogant as to say that all the other religions are wrong and Jesus is the only path to God? Often the parable of the elephant is used to illustrate the sheer arrogance of Christianity. It goes something like this: “Three blind scribes are touching different parts of an elephant. The one who is holding the tail says, “This is a rope.” Another holding the elephant’s leg says, “This is not a rope; you are wrong. It is a tree.” Still another who is holding the trunk of the elephant says, “You are both wrong. It is a snake!” The moral of the story is that all religions are like these men. They each touch a different part of ultimate reality and therefore any one of them is arrogant to say they have the whole truth.

    But take a step back and think about what is being said here. Do you see the breathtaking claim that is being made? Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Moses, and Muhammad are all blind, but in fact, I can see! These leaders all had a small perspective, but I am the one who sees the full picture. Now who is being arrogant? It is just as arrogant to say that Buddha, Muhammad, and Jesus were all wrong in their exclusive claims as it is to say that Jesus is the only way. The issue is not about who is arrogant, but what is actually true and real.

    The second motivation in dismissing Christ is often a question of exclusion. How can you exclude all of these religions? Jesus may have said he was the way to the Father, but how can I follow him and become an intolerant person who excludes others? Again, we need to think carefully about this view because the reality is that whatever position we hold will exclude something. Even the person who believes that all ways lead to God excludes the view that only some ways lead to God or that only one way leads to God. Every view excludes something. Again, the issue is not about who is excluding people, but what is actually true and real.

    Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me” (John 14:6). There are a number of possibilities here for why he might have said this, and exploring these possibilities is crucial. First, perhaps he was genuinely a good person but he was deluded. He was sincere, but he was wrong; he believed that he was the Son of God, but he wasn’t. In other words, he was mentally imbalanced. Or second, perhaps Jesus knew he wasn’t God but went around telling people that he was the only way to God regardless. In other words, he was a sinister character purposely telling lies. Or finally, perhaps Jesus was who he said he was. Perhaps he made these radical statements because they were true and real. In other words, he is indeed the only way to God.

    Amy Orr-Ewing

    http://www.rzim.org/GlobalElements/GFV/tabid/449/ArticleID/9898/CBModuleId/1133/Default.aspx

  116. MaxGrobnik
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Now you got it American!

    If ya can’t beat em, join em! It’s more fun on the dark side. You don’t have to work, or think, or do anything!

  117. BlueJay
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    The “dark side” is unanimously agree on as the con side.

    It’s dark under that desk.

  118. Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I dont have a clue, Gene… I think he will talk about the nuclear power issue… I think he will have a very good translator with him, so that dialogue is actually possible…

    Good friend of mine, who speaks Arabic told me the Iranian guy is not talking about BLOWING Israel off the map… but erasing the Israeli border lines… Poorly was translated as Wiping Israel off the Map…

    In other words, he wants ISRAEL to re-define its borders with the Palestinians…

    If you disagree with that, fine… I can only tell you what my Arabic speaking friend told me…

    Naturally, our media had a field day with the mis-translation!! And it is evident that Bush is STILL having a field day with it!!

  119. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Ding, ding, ding, ding……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….plakduycfgguigkbgkl1111111111111 Brokt down……………………..

  120. American_Way
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Like I said in my original post Max, American, and other conservatives: this is Blasphemy!

    “BUT”, consider the alternatives. Are there any?

    Plus, I made a big assumption here (and I know what assume means), that with the increase in federal fuel tax dollars, perhaps the government would not have to raise individual income taxes.

    Perhaps the extra $1.00 per gallon federal tax would fund a wealth of social programs - and decrease the debt, which would negate the need for more revenue collected from individuals.

    Perhaps the national healthcare social program could be dropped - my plan would fund health insurance for the true 15 million poor.

    And since I favor a flat tax, or national consumption tax where everyone pays and everyone pays at the same rate - my proposal does not have any direct progressiveness. (although I support subsidized mass transportation expense for the poor).

    Perfect? Far from it. Conservative? Probably not at all.

    But I’ve yet to hear a better plan. (or any plan other than a “summertime gas tax break”, or the silly Tax Rebate.)

  121. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Serves me right for setting the gain too high on the liberal mocking voltage.

    Oh well!

    Time to buy a new one.

  122. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Hey,

    When you assume something, does that make a L______ out of you and me?

    Might explain evolution, AGW, etc., etc., etc………….

  123. Nathaniel
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    1 Timothy 2:5

    For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

  124. American
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Hey all,

    See you soon.

    I need to go and pursue my happiness by working for it!

    Luego.

  125. Nathaniel
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Acts 4:12

    “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

  126. Predestined
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    American,

    Sorry I couldn’t get back to you on the Kennedy drinking thing, but I was busy.

    To address the elephant in the room is bad? It’s not a secret. Forgive me, but the Conservatives on this blog have continuously pointed out Ted Kennedy’s drinking, bad-mouthing him at any opportunity by bringing up his name when they need an extra punching bag.

    I apologize to you and to the Senator for showing compassion. Do I need to announce I wish him good health? Okay. I pray for Senator Kennedy’s good health and continued service and life. And those are not just words.

  127. Regular
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    American Way,

    Did you see my calculations for price per gallon in the U.K. for Gas? at 1:24 pm ?

    Hank may have been a submariner,

    but Air Force > Navy Submariner. :D

  128. Nathaniel
    Posted May 17, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    1 John 5: 10-12

    “The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.

    And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

    He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.”

    1 John 5:20

    And we know that the Son of God has