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Senator Robert Dole, welcome back today to Wichita and the State of Kansas. Senator Dole had a remarkable memory for names. I recall in past years it was likely to run into Senator Dole through out Kansas talking with Kansas citizens and giving stump speeches in small farm communities of Kansas. So best wishes, Bob.

Death Threats and Harrassment from BlueJay and his many nics
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GeorgeAKelly
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink
Sorry, James,

George Kelly did not die, (because unlike you he had a question he was after).

You are so dead, the time of your death does not matter, at all.

Good night, you corpse.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink
The noose is drawing tighter James.

Your time grows short.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink
I need to speak to his sister linda again.

She seemed….nice.
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With the new login and policies, it’s time to take the poster Bluejay completely out of the system. He thinks that stalking of my sister, making and making death threats towards me is appropriate behavior.

Time for the Wichita Eagle Editorial Department to take this clown on and send him packing permanently.

“BlueJay
Posted May 15, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink
Hey editors?

It’s been a REAL long time since you told us how your little blog is fairing.

News you’d rather not comment on?

I’d bet my hands that hits have gone down. And I mean WAY down.

Certainly we notice the absence of many long time posters.

At one time, you HAD a pretty good blog here.

Be a shame if some enterprising poster took the best of what is left of it and started a new blog somewhere else…

American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink
Once again BlueJay/JR uses the anonymity of the blog instead of the adult approach. Email, write, or call the editor of the weblog JR if you have a problem with it. Better yet, if you are so disgusted, why don’t you just leave?

Let those of us who choose to post here remain
without your juvenile posts.”

Jimmy — practice what you preach

Reguliar, you are the one who exposed yourself and your sister (nice Linda).

Sorry but 6-7 year olds are taught about the internet and its dangers.

The threats you’ve made at other posters are many. Why should you get a pass?

As you sow, so shall you reap.

Sucks to be you.

What? No thread about Bush’s Nazi speech? Interesting.

Bush’s tirade, that he says wasn’t about Obama, but anybody who heard it knew what it was about, struck me. Why? His reference to Hitler.

Seems his granddaddy had a bit of a Nazi problem himself:
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

You family did not stop with supporting fascists and Nazis abroad, did they Mr. Bush? Surely you must know of your grandfather’s role in the treasonous plot of 1933 to overthrow democracy in America? Let me remind you.

Grandpa Bush – that is to say, your grandfather – wanted fascism imported into the United States, or as you now call this type of transformation, “exporting democracy.” Prescott went so far as to subsidize a coup attempt in order to achieve his dream of a fascist America (see BBC report below):

Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American

In other words, not only was your grandfather a self-professed fascist, he was a Nazi sympathizer and a war profiteer who should have stood trial at the Hague instead of buying his way into the US Senate. He was also a traitor, twice over.
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html
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Bush’s action since being elected President, haven’t fallen to far from his grandpa’s tree. He has used the office as his personal war machine to foist a war on this country to appease his childish, overblown ego. Hopefully, when all is said and done, this man will be called upon to answer for his crimes against the American people The only reason his granddad wasn’t is because of a war and money.

If grandpa had been tried for treason, as he should have, there would be no Bush dynasty today, and Bush would be flippin burgers at McD’s.

Bush’s claim to have given up golf is also untrue; he was photographed, two months after having to give up the game, playing golf. Is this man capable of telling the truth about anything?
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Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”

The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.

He also played Sept. 28 with friends at Andrews Air Force Base course and again there on Oct. 13, in honor of Columbus Day. It appears that he didn’t golf after that — at least judging from a review of media coverage since then.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503538.html?hpid=news-col-blog

If you all didnt read Steve Kraske’s “Neufeld is toast” column, you should. Money quote:

“For his part, Neufeld doesn’t seem to get it.”

To quote Dave….

“YA THINK?”

Ya Walker, I thought the same about bush’s nazi speech. Hell, his grandfather was in regular contact with them. I bet if he had WANTED to talk to hitler, he could have.

But the question is, would it have been a humanitarian call?

Or a call for more business as usual. Since the modern day bush fortune was built on their trade with the nazi’s… it’s typical bush to now pretend he is the best friend the jewish people ever had.

Pander much?

I wonder why the WE doesnt contact some of the gold star families in Kansas and ask them how much comfort it provides them that bush lied about even giving up golf.

Out:
There is a major difference between negotiating and appeasement. Neville Chamberlain’s traitorous act in 1938 was appeasement. What Obama suggested was dialog. Big big difference.

Mornin’ ksfarmgrrl. It was business as usual. The only reason Bush’s granddaddy wasn’t tried was because, even in those days, money could buy you out of anything, if you had it. And the Bush dynasty had it. And to think American heroes died protecting the scumbag.

Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”

The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.

He also played Sept. 28 with friends at Andrews Air Force Base course and again there on Oct. 13, in honor of Columbus Day. It appears that he didn’t golf after that — at least judging from a review of media coverage since then.

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Chuckle…. Golfgate.

Bush “lied” because he may played golf two times after he remembered quitting the game FIVE YEARS AGO.

I hope the liberals “drive” that point home. They need the “balls” to take this travesty to the mat. There is no need to try to “iron” out the facts. Liberal media need to get their “slice” of fame for being able to “hook” the big “birdie”. But watch out, Bush could try to “spin” the story. Could this be the big “wedge” issue the liberals have been looking for? Stay tuned…

Liberals and their priorities. Par for the course.

Bush could have been addressing any leader or government in the world that has chosen appeasement of terrorists.

I think Senator Obama is giving himself too much credit that the speech was just about him. There are other nations and their leaders that needed to be addressed on the subject.

If anyone is playing politics, it was Obama thinking he was the subject of the speech.

I find the paranoia in the Obama camp unsettling.

I aint going anywhere Jimmymac.

What are you after? A blog where it is just you and your many nics? I can get that for ya son.

Just get in the closet and talk to yourself.

That outta the way.

Ya know those resolutions Congress passes? Like the Shiavo thing and all? They carry no weight but they just want the thing on record?

I’d like to see a Congressional Resolution agreeing that bush is the worst President in history. It would be a nice little going away gift for him.
Now, what do I get James?

BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink
I aint going anywhere Jimmymac.
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Thanks for that spelling of “Jimmymac” BlueJay. Been trying to figure out who was it that spells it that way. So far, you are the only one, except for LR2.

Has Dubya finally learned the names of foreign leaders?

As for Grandpa Bush’s coziness with the Nazis, just take a look at Daddy Bush and Dubya’s coziness with the Saudis, where 15 of the 19 alleged 9/11 perps were from. See any parallels? Or is it all a coincidence?

How do you know JMWalker? Was a party affiliation used? Was anyone’s named used? Was the name of a country even used in reference to being appeasers?

The answer is “no” to all of the above.

Once again, the paranoia from the Obama camp is self-induced and their pain is self-inflicted.

Maybe he is REALLY afraid of the appeaser tag?

It’s my fear about him too.

Not about appeasing dictators or terrorists, but appeasing republicans.

Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
by Frances Rice

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.

Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist “Dixiecrats” did not all migrate to the Republican Party. “Dixiecrats” declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those “Dixiecrats” continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.

Today, Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Examples of how egregiously Democrats act to keep blacks in poverty are numerous

Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.

In order to break the Democrats’ stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party’s economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500

Ummm, yeah. Because republicans are so well known for their support of equal civil rights for all.

Except of course, some animals are more equal than others.

How paranoid is it for someone to think that someone else visiting his adult sister is a threat?

Methinks someone has some issues.

You “boys” and your obsession with Chas are getting really old. I expect that of some of the juveniles here, but not you GMC. I expect better of you.

No matter how much Chas begs for it.

What’s up with that?

Yer like little boys pulling the wings off the flies.

Dang I wondered why I stopped finding panties on my lawn.

GMC is stalking Chas now instead of me. And Chas is n’t even on this thread.

Hoo boy get ready Chas. You’ll start finding old legal briefs, dead birds, and empty jars of mayonaise around your place. It just means GMC has a thing for ya.

“No matter how much Chas begs for it.”

Chas, even KFG recognizes the obvious.

And yes, KFG, you’re right. It is silly, and juvenile, and pointless. And one of these days soon I’m sure I’ll let it go. I would point out, however, as JR did once, that it was the likes of you and JR who taught how the game was played here. Part of me thinks some on here simply don’t like their own tactics used the other way. Too bad. What’s good for the goose . . . and all that.

Chad really doesn’t need me to look stupid. He manages well on that all by himself.

And KFG, I do (and I’m sincere here) appreciate the “I expect better of you.” And you’re right; I’ll let it go.

At least until Chas’ next obvious attempt to say he didn’t say what he clearly said.

Well Pmom, I’m not sure the court ruled that way just to make the republicans happy. They ruled that way because it was justified. Read the opinion.

However, yes, you can bet your sweet ass this will bring the con repubs out in droves, and once again, while the economy sucks and the war is a complete failure…

…good americans will worry more about gay marriage.

The court rules the way it rules. Whether or not the repukes use that ruling to energize their base and rape the constitution… AGAIN… is up to the repukes.

I cant WAIT for hagee and parsley and such to get on their homophobic bandwagon.

We’ll see what “issues” are REALLY important to republicans.

And if the repukes do use this ruling to energize their wingnut base?

Obama will pander to them. He’s got all the credentials to say “hey, I’m on YOUR side with gay marriage”. And he will. He’s demonstrated his willingness to throw the gay community under the bus to pander to evangelicals.

I bet he out panders the republicans.

Having mcclurkin and kirbyjon caldwell raise money for him puts him in good company with the repukes.

But on the bright side Pmom, this is a GRAND opportunity for obama to put his pretty words about gays into action, no?

hehehehhehehehe. When pigs fly.

OMG, I just had a scary thought. What if obama loses and then blames it on the gay marriage issue for energizing the single minded republicans?

I mean, after he blames Hillary?

NOTHING good is going to come to gay folks by having obama on the ticket.

Yo, reg, here’s your Francis Rice for you:

False groundswell — letter writing and plagiarism
Back in February of this year, we caught Frances Rice, one of the state’s leading Republican organizers, plagiarizing Washington Post columnist Colbert King; when cornered, she accused Venice Florida! dot com of racism.
http://www.veniceflorida.com/features/falsegroundswell.htm
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Francis Rice looks like another Neocon who uses the Neocon mantra to spread lies and discontent. Hell, even does it plagiarizing. What more could one want in a Neocon?

Yep, sure going to believe that girl . . . NOT!!!

PMom,

Chris Matthews was try to muddy the waters and the reference to Neville Chamberlain and his dealings with Hitler was characterized by Winston Churchhill as “The general policy of appeasement.”

Here’s an example of Chamberlain’s appeasement policy:

Chamberlain stood by without objection, while Adolph Hitler illegally annexed Austria and Czechslovokia.

Here’s what Chamberlain’s response was:

How horrible, fantastic it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. I am myself a man of peace from the depths of my soul.

Chamberlain when smacked in the face with obvious signs of naked agression by Hitler chose to be an appeaser. Shortly after Chamberlain’s speech, Hitler attacked and invaded Czechslovokia and then of course, the Blitzkried (lightning war) on Poland.

A long time personal friend of Chamberlain and a Lord in the House of Commons, Leo Amery, delivered this speech to Chamberlain.

You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.

Even after that stinging rebuke, Chamberlain still sat on his hands. In the meantime, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium and France.

Finally, after admitting to his failure on the policy of appeasement, on the evening of 10 May 1940, Chamberlain tendered his resignation to the King and formally recommended Sir Winston Churchill as his successor.

What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.

These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.

If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.

Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

oops, spelled blitzkrieg wrong and the source is wikipedia, among other places…

What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.

should read

What President Bush stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You cannot use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.

grade of F today in proofreading. :(

Let’s see Hitler led millions, Obama loosely leads a few thousand rag tag fanatics, yea great comparison.

Does Bush think he is Winston Churchill?

Delusional WPE

These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.

If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.

Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
posted by reg.
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You obviously don’t know the difference between appeasement and diplomacy. There can be no end to the war on terror without diplomacy, unless, as the republicans seem to suggest, we just go out and kill em all, and damn the innocents caught in the middle.

But he won’t lose.

If he can beat The Clintons’ in the primary, and he has, soundly, then he can beat McSame in the fall.

. . . and let’s look at bush’s giving up golf because of the war:

Is that not insulting to the troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan, or what? Giving up golf? Oh, ya, and I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact he had to give up running at the same time because of the leg problem he had. He would never lie about that. Just ask any bushette.

The man is so out of touch with reality, one wonders if he is capable of performing his duties as president. Maybe he could give some visiting female dignitary a neck massage. Should turn her on, what (wink, wink)?

Actually GMC, I AM a person of interest to the Feds.

Looking at my paycheck today, they seemed very interested. In fact, they took out Federal Taxes, FICA, and Medicare.

Got gas this morning, and the Feds took 18 cents a gallon from me.

Paid the phone bill yesterday, and it had FCC charges and so many taxes I don’t even know what they all are!

Say GMC, who won the contest yesterday?

JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink

Anybody else see the hypocrisy of that paragraph? The phrase, “over-all strategic concept”, is totally anathema to this president’s way of thinking. As proof, I offer the Iraq war.

One of the first thing a submariner is taught is to count the number of dives, and the number of surfacings; divide by two. If it’s not an even number, don’t open the hatch. I’m afraid bush can’t count that high ;-0
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A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.

The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.

The point about Golf, his playing golf or not is not important but to instead of answering the question with a medical reason made him stop. He pinned a noble cause to it and in doing so insulted the memory and sacrifice of the soldiers whom die and their families. Plan enough, but then to be shown he was lying about it is even more an insult. There are times where to lie is needed, but to lie when the need is not there is a mental issue. How much of an honoring of Regular’s service would it be if I said I am giving up drinking to honor him. When I in fact gave it up over twelve years ago, before I know he existed? And what would be the point of me bring it up when the question is why did you stop drinking?

The Republicans in Congress did yesterday something I have been talking about and how the claim by the Democrats is a straw man. The Republicans simply did not vote for the funding request, now they know as well as the Democrats that without this bill Iraq will not come to a halt. There is enough money already in the bank to fund anything that will be needed till the funding bill does pass. The Republicans simply did what the Democrats could have been doing all along instead of claiming that they do not have the 60 vote majority need to pass the bill. Since it takes a majority to pass a bill it stands to reason that it would also take a majority to fail one too. Do not get me wrong, I am not for a total withdraw or de-funding of Iraq we need to “win”. But for too long the Congress has been failing at its job, war profiteering has been a problem in every war. But it has never been so blatant and open as it has been in Iraq. Of all the problem with Iraq this is one easily solved and the winners are the soldiers followed by the taxpayers.

Stop the emergency funding and when such a request is made send it back to the president’s desk stating that it has to be in the form of a regular spending bill with oversight and control of where and to whom the money goes. There can be a emergency set-a-side for the unforeseen but the daily operation and construction should be with oversight.

Watsa matter Monkey? Didn’t get enough attention the first time you posted that about the cross in President Bush’s property?

Another basher of the Christian faith, MonkeyHawk.

Monkeyhawk is a bigot with extreme prejudice of anyone who believes in Christ.

Monkeybreath sure is fasinated with the Bush family.
I mean, who really gives a rats butt about the wedding or the lawn ornaments?
Secret Bush admirer?

Woo Hoo!

The Billionaires for Bush have struck in Wichita.

Too bad Rove, Inc. didn’t let The Eagle reporter in. The only thing he had left to cover was the protest outside.

Good thinking, RepubliCONs . . .

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/story/405735.html
Protest over Rove speech is a bit formal
BY DION LEFLER
The Wichita Eagle
A Wichita appearance by former White House political aide Karl Rove touched off a little street theater Thursday, with protesters masquerading as millionaires lampooning the man known as “the Architect” of President Bush’s electoral victories.

Rove spoke to about 125 Republican activists and supporters who paid $50 a plate — $150 to have their picture taken with Rove — at a party fundraiser at the 20th Century Center on North Broadway.

The speech was closed to the news media.

. . . .

Outside Rove’s speech, about a half-dozen demonstrators showed up in tuxedos, yachting apparel and evening gowns with million-dollar play-money bills poking out of their pockets.

With sparkling cider in champagne glasses, they “toasted” Rove’s appearance and waved signs bearing slogans such as: “Widen the wealth inequality gap.”

A few people stopped by to join the costumed demonstrators and expressed their own disdain over Rove’s role in building the case for the invasion of Iraq.

“I think this war has gone too far,” said Christina Blanchard. “Too many of our loved ones are dying over there.”

Harry Furst stood with the demonstrators in a cap from the amphibious assault ship USS Guam, on which he served in the 1970s.

He said he was angered that the military was diverted to Iraq instead of tracking down Osama Bin Laden after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

“I’m a veteran and I think I speak for a lot of veterans,” he said. “I won’t say most of them, because that’s what Rove and his cronies do. They never wore the uniform, but they sent good men and women into harm’s way.”

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Dressing up like millionaires to toast the Bush administration and what it stands for . . . genius, pure genius.

“that bush lied about even giving up golf.”

Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.

Talk about making a big tado about nothing.

Next up: “Impeach Bush for Golfing!”
Funny in a nausiating sort of way.

“Say GMC, who won the contest yesterday?”

Dr Max, I missed your silly contest. Had I been invited, I’m sure I’d have submitted the winner.

Who was yer judge? Normally when you have a contest, you have some lead time and provide a final submission date which is out fer enough fer
everyone to participate.

Another unfair CON election?

Regular: Hitler got Austria by reason of a referendum (Anchluss)to join with Germany and the Czech matter (who were heavily German speaking being, a new country created by the Treaty of Versailles) was agreed to by a conference involving Italy and France as well. There were no invasions at all. Hitler’s demands were deemed reasonable in that it seemed he was only trying to gather the German speaking peoples into One Reich, as they were prior to the Treaty of Versailles. Much of the upper class in the UK and Europe agreed with his aims and objects. The Danzig Corridor in Poland (another country created by the Treaty, taking away German lands) became a flash point in the East. The Poles were no saints and had tried to annex more areas of East Prussia and parts of the Ukraine from a prostrate Germany and Russia, after being given nation status in 1921. There is more to it than a matter of appeasement. The UK knew what was coming and Chamberalin bought time to build up the RAF and the Royal Navy, brought Churchill then in opposition, into the Cabinet as First Sea Lord. The RAF was able to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain 1940-41 and the Navy was prepared for the outbreak of hostilities because of his actions. The famous saying about “going” was by reason of an intra-Conservative strife, not uncommon, and first used by Cromwell against the Long Parliament circa 1650. It wasn’t original. Another intersting fact is that the British Empire had warned the UK that if they went to war against Germany for some interest in Eastern Europe, they would have no Commonwealth support. The UK invaded Norway to curtail vital Nazi war materials(a disaster)carried out many raids along the European Coast and commenced war in the air by RAF fighter command and bomber command right after the “sitzkreing” ended when Germany invaded the Lowlands and France. He did not sit on his hands. Nonetheless Chamberalin was a poor choice by reason of health and inclinations to lead the UK in war but Churchill was, happily in the right place at the right time, to be appointed PM by the King.

A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.

The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
posted by reg hisself!!
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I knew there was a funny bone hiding somewhere in that bushbot body. Of course, humor means different things to different people, and some could never get the joke, be they hatch open, or hatch closed:-)

And BTW….

If you read about the California decision to legalize gay MARRIAGE, it singled out the “separate but equal” part of civil unions vs. marriage.

Essentially the decision declared civil unions for gays to be separate but unequal.

Something some of us have been saying for a looooong time.

I hardly think this decision was made to pander to republicans, even though they WILL use it in the election.

The only question is, will mean and stupid voters fall for this bright and shiny distraction.

Again.

Political_mama
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

Regular, if you’re going to post something you should always state your source.

I noted that today, Wikipedia’s entries about Chamberlain and the Treaty of Munich have both been revised TODAY to mimic the republican talking points. Now isn’t that convenient.
Regular

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Do you ever tire of being wrong PMom? :D

Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
oops, spelled blitzkrieg wrong and the source is wikipedia, among other places…

“So.. to say that this is a left or right issue is just nuts.”

You may be right, but look at how the lefties and the righties fall on the issue.

“But this is doing NOTHING to bring anyone to Christ, which I suppose should be the goal of any christian.”

On this point you are 100% correct. That’s why I seldom start discussions on religion here. I’m pretty persuasive at lunch!

“And I’ve remarked many times about the switching of ID’s within my own side.”

Ditto Pmom. Nic switching is just low class, no matter who does it. And it happens on both sides.

But I think it is funny, that after a while, you can tell who it is, by spelling or phrasing or topic or position.

The only ones the nic switchers are fooling are themselves.

Another funny thing? I guess I CLOCKED one of my liberal buddies the other day who was posting under another nic. Had I known it was him, I would have held my fire. Instead, I clocked him and it pissed him off.

But if you nic switch to say STEW-PUD things or to be argumentitive, you get what you deserve.

“HLP” dances with the scarecrow with –

“Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.

“Nathan is a member of the ‘religous [sic] right’. Therefore, he has no credibility or honor with the lefties.”

Sorry, “HLP,” but “Nathaniel” is a narcissistic prig who got a burr under his saddle months ago because he was horrified by “Chas’” regular nighty-night sign-off about God (whatever you deem him to be) blessing you.

This was a while back, maybe around the time “Nathan” was threatening to kill people who might shoot his dog. Hardly a night’s gone by since on WE Blog that “Nathan” or “Nathaniel” hasn’t gone on the attack against “Chas” by accusing “Chas” of not being “Christian.” With all the subtlety and class one might associate with the Spanish Inquisition. It’s prototype trolling. And it’s often a sign of other mental problems.

I’ve gotten into some issue-related dust-ups with “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” from time to time. And I’ve come to realize he’s got some issues not altogether unexpected of at least 20% of Iraq War veterans. Paranoia, persecution complex, macho posturing, dead-end job, religious ideation, a martyr’s mindset, a warrior for the “One TRUE God,”… You can look ‘em up.

I think you’re mistaken with a lot of your opinions, “HLP,” but I don’t think you’re mentally ill. Wish I could say as much about your kid.

I think “Chas” over-reacts more than he should. He’s been insulted and attack about his faith, his life’s calling, nearly every day for months on end. We’ve all been lured in by internet trolls and it’s nothing to be proud of. But provocation is a bitch to ignore.

And, from those long-ago days when “Nathan” became outraged over “Chas’” innocuous little good-night blessing, the sore has festered. But make no mistake. “Nathan” (later “Nathaniel”) is regularly the provocateur.

How they fall on WHAT issue, Hank?

The issue of whether or not Chas is a christian?

Seems like the left here seem to think if he says he is, he is. That’s consistent with what we’ve been saying about phelps, et al.

If the issue is pulling the wings off of flies,uh, yeah, it seems the libs fall on the side of compassion. The right? Not so much.

Having said that, I’ve made fun of regular in the past for his pathetic state. I’m sorry I did that. He clearly has a soft spot in his heart for some things. And I’ve seen where he’s actually been wounded too.

And I feel sorry for JR every time you all piss on him for how he’s raising his kid and for his economic state. I wish he didnt feel the way he does about some things, but making fun of him isnt helping anyone.

Steven not only tried to bridge a gap between nathan and chas, but between reg and others too. And reg dumped on him. Of course we dont know what went on in their lunch, but Steven has tried, in good faith, to make this blog a better place.

And he was run off for it.

I’m not sure I can define the line, because it isnt a bright line. But at some point, it is possible to cross that “line” from being funny and sharp to being just plain mean.

Like Stevens said about porn, I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it. You all questioning Chas ministry and his faith may have started out being funny, but now it is just mean. Flies and wings and all.

“and you will know them by their love”

blogmonitor
Posted May 16, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

“that bush lied about even giving up golf.”

Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.
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There’s a word that goes to the heart of the matter, blogmo, and that word is credibility. Bush has none, as proven by the Iraq war. This golf thing is just another example, and they keep piling up. And that spells a decided lack of character and credibility.

Hee hee heeeeeeeeeee!

And WHO will tell the boy king to sit down and STFU?

And you KNOW what I mean by STFU!

Ksfrmgrl I believe the reason Obama is so upset is because Hillary ate his lunch on this subject in one of their first debates when he said he would talk to anyone. Wish I had a link. Sure it is out there just don’t have time to find it. Good nite.

kfg,

What is wrong with pulling wings off flies? :D

From an observer that is hanging around way to long today. Monkeyhawk and Ksfrmgrl you attributing mental health problems to people playing a simple game with a proven liar because he keeps claiming he is telling the truth when he is obviously lying. Read it yourself. The proof is there about him and square peg. Well this seems to be a form of self denial on the liberal side. Defend the liar and apply mental health problems to his victim well you make your own decisions based on the facts.

Nope. I think it is just “christian” bullying. Something I know a little about.

The fact that one christian is bullying another though, is amusing, as well as sad.

I will try to rachet it down. I’m just as guilty as anyone else, and I surely don’t want to be the thing that throws anyone over the edge. I know in the past that people have said things to me that have really REALLY hurt. And what we do is respond with anger and defensiveness.

I’d like to make the blog a better place. But it is going to take everyone doing it too. I have little faith it can be achieved. I’m one person, but I’ll try to do my part.

I am also worried about Nathan. And I’m not saying this to pick on him. Truly. He’s in a vunerable group. I tend to give Nathan a pass for the things he says, and that’s not right either though. I’ve told him in the past that I think he does this in order to be able to do his job. He disagrees. I don’t, because he’s not the only one I talk to online. There does seem to be a disconnect with most of them. I HATE that. But I can hope that once the threat of their death is over, they’ll look at it in a more appropriate light.

I’ll equate this to when I stopped running on the ambulance, and the time when I was mutilated by my surgeon. Those two times, I was completely repulsed by images even on tv of sanitized accidents. Trauma: Life in the ER was always one of my favorite shows, and I couldn’t hardly watch it anymore. I remember especially this one story of a woman who was killed in an auto accident, and I was sitting there in tears, just bawling…wondering how I could ever go back out there and treat people like that ever again. It was so strange I can’t even tell you…me, the one who loved the excitement of this kind of thing….I thought I had lost that forever. So when I started running again, I have to say, it flipped right back on when I did. Like I had never skipped a beat. But I’m also a better person now for realizing that is what it is.

You learn coping mechanisms in order to function in an environment like that. you make it less bad in your mind so you can do what needs to be done. I realized I had employed that tool as when when I was being abused by my ex-husband. It was always worse for someone else…wasn’t so bad for me. And…I wasn’t worthy of a healthy relationship. You never see it at the time when you’re in it. It isn’t until you look back and then you can see it.

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ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

“How they fall on WHAT issue, Hank?

The issue of whether or not Chas is a christian?”

No, Farm Lady, I could care less on what Chas. professes to believe. If he wants to claim to be a Christian, fine. However, he does deny or at the very least fails to defend Doctrine that a majority of Christians would.

The issue is not Chas., it’s the Doctrine that that the lefties and the righties get their panties all in a wad about.

And I feel sorry for JR every time you all piss on him for how he’s raising his kid and for his economic state. I wish he didnt feel the way he does about some things, but making fun of him isnt helping anyone.

JR is another issue entirely. I went two and a half months without responding to his juvenile comments concerning my ’so called wealth’ and being a ‘kept man’. I only dumped on him the other night night because I got tired of him pissing up Mary’s leg. She doesn’t deserve his crap.

“Steven not only tried to bridge a gap between nathan and chas, but between reg and others too. And reg dumped on him. Of course we dont know what went on in their lunch, but Steven has tried, in good faith, to make this blog a better place.”

I agree, Steven and I have our little differences but I do believe he tried in good faith to make this a better BLOG. We could debate without name calling. I’ll miss him.

I’m not sure I can define the line, because it isnt a bright line. But at some point, it is possible to cross that “line” from being funny and sharp to being just plain mean.

Well, the line does seem to move with the mood.

You all questioning Chas ministry and his faith may have started out being funny, but now it is just mean. Flies and wings and all.

I agree. I would like to have a discussion with Chas. about his faith and his ministry,just not here! I don’t talk much about my work here, not worth it.

“and you will know them by their love”

Amen

Believe it or not, I just saw Barack Obama on MSNBC with a flag pin on his lapel. Talk about pandering!

WOW. The US COngress has done something to help us all. THey have basically forced the admininstration to quit filling the strategic oil preserve. Let’s see: 76,000 barrels per day purchase suspended
Daily usage: 20,687,000 barrels/day. That puts another 3 tenths of one percent back on the market. so, if there were a direct correlation, we would save 3.65 per gallon x .003 = .01 cents. Gad! How amazing! SOBs think that by pretending to do something, the people will be appeased. Unfortunately, they may be right. Some will praise the Democratic COngress for DOING SOMETHING! Yeah. Right. Thanks

Let the debate begin: Bush v. Obama on foreign policy in the Middle East. “Let truth and falsehood grapple; whoever knew truth put to the worst in a fair and open encounter . . . “

“Of course the oil companies will blame the Congress for all the restriction and cost to build new refineries.”

Uh, no. They will blame the “environmentalists”.

See also Crowson’s cartoon from yesterday.

Why should they invest in more infrastructure when by SHORTENING supply, they make MORE profits with the same amount of investment?

Until they have incentive to increase refining capacity, they wont. And of course, incentive often takes the form of BOTH carrot and stick.

But it’s gonna hafta be a might big stick or a mighty big carrot to get them to change their very successful ways.

Gee Nathan, at least he only does that part of the time.

We do that when we’re frustrated, angry and fed up.

LOL I just love Fox News, I can not watch long because of the distortion and at time I get a little angry about how they are trying to mislead the Public. But of course I accuse the other cable news channels of the same thing.

But this was funny, they carried a news conference of Obama’s where he was asked about his willingness to talk to Iran about their Nuclear program . He made the following statement:
The Bush administration said they will not talk to Iran about stopping their Nuclear program until the Iranians stop their Nuclear program. But if the talking is about stopping their Nuclear programs and you will not talk to them about it until they stop. Then why talk to them?

I would talk to them but first there would be pre established channels opened and the some ground rules set.

So after the News conference what was D.H. saying, “ I am confused… The Bush administration said that they would not talk to the Iranians unless conditions were met. But Obama just said he would not talk to them until conditions were made! So what, he was saying he would continue the Bush Doctrine!”
Ahh no D.H. that is not what he said, your pretty but the poster child for every dumb blond joke.

Then of course the Fox news nut Doctor comes on and said that Obama responding to Bush’s comment shows that Obama is suffering from delusions of grander and thinks that every thing said is about him!

That’s it Chas no one is actually talking about you when one’s Christianity is questioned. You are just suffering from delusions of grander and just think that everyone is talking about you.

“My priority on this blog is not to bring people to Christ”

I think that’s pretty obvious….

your pastor must be so proud

KFG,

Actually, I think my Pastor likes me a bunch. Why do you care anyhow?

This is a blog. On one day you all will bash me for evangelizing and on the next you will bash me for not trying to bring people to Christ.

So which is it?

Do you want me to Evangelize the blog?

It is nothing more than the topic of the day for you to beat me over the head with.

I do much more in my personal life to bring people to God than I will ever be able to do here.

Here, I practice my apologetics. Where I take to task people who preach lies about Christianity.

Perhaps it might bring people to God, perhaps not.

I think most of you liberals all ready have your mind made up on the issue and like Chas so much because of his liberal views on Christianity and his basic non acceptance of Christ as THE Lord and Savior.

No wonder why you like him and want to consider him to be a Christian when he is not one.

Oh, and KFG: A pig DID fly in Cali a few weeks ago…

heh wichi, you mean the concert pig?

yeah, the Pink Floyd pig….worth a shot.

hee hee hee Wichi!

“…..Chas….his liberal views on Christianity and his basic non acceptance of Christ as THE Lord and Savior.” [Nathaniel]

If you are going to keep up the rant, you might want to offer up some kind of proof?

WichiWomn
Posted May 16, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
Shout-out to blues lovers:
Chautauqua Hills Blues festival in lovely Sedan, Ks is Memorial Day weekend. It’s a fairly small, hidden gem that is worth checking out and is my favorite event to attend. Go to cqbluesfest.com for more details.

Cool. I will have to look that up and see if I can squeeze it in. I love blues, and dancing to blues. wcs

NO Nathan — YOU offer the proof!! If you cant, then just drop it!!

I personally don;t care if Nathan or CHase is a Christian, or anybody else for that matter. I am tired of hearing this discussion between the two. BOth hold themselves out as theologians of a sort, one trained, the other not. BOth open themselves to attack, in my opinion. WHy don;t you both just stop

“So tell me, do you liberals believe that there is a standard to being a Christian?”

Yes. Here it is–

I believe in God the Father Almighty and in Jesus Christ his only Son, who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilot was crucified and died. He descended into Hell.

On the third day, He arose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God, the Father Almighty. From thence, he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting.

Next question?

“Nathaniel” pontificates –

“Either there is a standard to being a Christian or there is not one.”

I suspect Jesus might disagree with you on that one.

But then, what does His opinion count, what with the Prophet “Nathaniel” here to judge the quick and the dead?

You’re so far from getting it, “Nathaniel,” it’s pretty much impossible to address your proclamations.

“You weren’t the one dancing in front of the cajun food line were ya?
The next two months are jam packed with shows so I will try to keep you informed”

No, wasn;t me. I have yet to make a ariver Festival Event. :(. Too crazy htis year. Yeah, I would like to know what is going on in advance. Can help me plan. For some reason, I just don;t get to the shows much. But I love blues. All kinds. From SRV to Muddy Waters. I prefer a little more of the contemporary, but It’s like saying I prefer Smithfield over Hormel 51.

CF2K-

That neither makes sense, or was funny. What the hell was he trying to say?

lj,

That would be a great question for which I have no answer. Maybe it is better understood as a special kind of NRA-baiting–in which case, it reflects even MORE poorly on all parties involved.

“CF2K” notes –

“Huckabee…”joked”:

“That was Barack Obama…” to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”

Johnny Carson had a theory about comedy. “If they buy the premise, they’ll buy the joke.” So if you accept the premise of, say, “A duck walks into a bar and orders a drink,” the punchline’s likely to work.

So let’s look at the Huckster’s “joke.” The premise, at an NRA convention, is, “Somebody aimed a gun at him….” Real comic gold there.

And the audience laughed.

The acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ as THE ONLY Lord and Savior is the litmus test for being a Christian.

No, that’s your litmus test. Jesus reached out to everyone, even the non-believers. He didn’t discriminate. On the cross, He prayed, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”

Somehow, I doubt Christ would use your strong-armed attempt at converting others and belittling those you can’t.

Until you can do all you can to live your life as Christ did, you’re not the Christian Christ asked you to be. Walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk.

“Nathaniel” just can’t help himself, offering –

“Is there a foundational truth claim to what makes someone a Christian? A standard?”

Maybe. I don’t know.

But I’m pretty certain it isn’t up to “Nathaniel.”

It’s a job you’re not qualified for.

How are those verses fundamental? How do you decide what is fundamentsl and what is not? Please stop telling me WHAT you believe. I know WHAT you believe. I used to believe it. Tell me WHY you believe it. Why are those fundamental?

I read, I comprehend. They are not fundamental.

LLTVET,

Do you think any part of the Bible is fundamental?

Why would your opinion on what parts of the Bible are fundamental or not be relevant when you reject the Bible to begin with?

CapnAmerica,

Do you believe that there is a standard for being a Christian?

CapnAmerica,

There is nothing in that verse which disagrees with what I have said.

It is clear that the theif on the cross was proclaiming his belief in Christ there and that is why he was saved.

In verse 41 he sees that Jesus had done nothing wrong and in verse 42 he asks Jesus to remember him.

His faith is what saved him. As seems to be the entire theme of the New Testament.

LLTVET,

Is there any standard to one calling themself a Christian and actually being one?

Nathaniel. THE STANDARD IS NONE OF YOUR CONCERN.

Nathaniel posted May 16, 2008 at 4:11 pm

“By reading. Context. Comprehension.”

LOL!!

Nathan cannot even understand that scientists who researched Earth’s past natural climate changes believe that humans are now causing global warming.

Nathan believes the lies from people like Dennis Avery.

‘Outrage in the Climate Science Community Continues Over the “500 Scientist” List’
http://www.desmogblog.com/outrage-in-the-climate-science-community-continues-over-the-500-scientist-list

“Nathaniel” admits –

“…I don’t see the Bible as “some fundamental regulation that can be used to decided who is a Christian and who is not.”

And thereby admits that he, “Nathaniel,” determines “who is a Christian and who is not” based on his own presumed omniscience, with no Biblical basis whatsoever.

Bow down to the Prophet “Nathaniel,” for he and he alone judges who can and cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven!

Well, I guess Nathan cant find the “Proof” I asked him for up thread. Just as I thought. Because he has none! Oh, well…

I was only following orders – Sanchez

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/37416.html

“WASHINGTON — To hear retired Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez explain it, the mistakes of the Iraq war that happened while he was in command there weren’t his fault. Not Abu Ghraib, not the birth of the insurgency, not the decision to let rebel cleric Muqtada al Sadr survive.”

Maybe he will write a book and tell us all about it – for a buck. Of course, that should be illegal since he would then be profiting from his crimes.

Chas,

Why would an alleged Christian minister refuse to answer such a simple question?

As I said before to everyone, Chas refuses to answer the most basic question about being a Christian.

That is why I say he is not one. His attitude about Christianity and the things he says about Christ are why he is no Christian.

I tried Chas. But it’s Friday and life is too short. Enjoy folks.

Our very dysfuntional liberal(sic) media,

‘CNN spliced quote by Obama aide to remove part in which he said Sec. Def. Gates, like Obama, wants to meet with Iran’
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805150010?f=h_top
“I assume [Bush] also is going to come home and fire his secretary of defense who was quoted in The Washington Post just yesterday saying we need to figure — quote, “We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.” Them being Iran.”

Thanks cosmos – both for the information and for attempting (as I have) to redirect the thread away from dogmatic prosytilyzing (sp?)

Chas,

How about this question then:

Is there a standard for someone being a Christian?

Nathan says: “What has Christ said or the New Testament said about people NOT BELIEVING and being saved?”

Nathan, I dont believe there is anything succinct about that matter from either the words of Jesus, OR the New Testament… The New Testament talks predominantly about FAITH… not the “particulars” of it!!

When Jesus judges, He “does not judge by appearances, but he judges with right judgment.”

I’m going to let Him decide.

Not you.

Well well well. Did the boy say “apologetics”?

heheheh. I just stumbled over this.

“John Loftus, the former evangelical minister turned atheist, author of the soon to be released book Why I Became An Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity and founder of the group blog Debunking Christianity gave a lively talk Wednesday night at the Allen County Public Library. The event, which saw about 40 people in attendance, was organized by Freethought Fort Wayne.

Among other topics, Loftus talked about his previous faith in Christianity, and how he came to lose that faith. However, the meat of Loftus’s presentation was his insightful, and inciteful, criticism of Christian theology. Although Loftus was highly educated in theological studies, including earning two Masters degress, he never completed his Doctorate, acknowledging that he just wasn’t smart enough. Loftus said, “You have to be really smart to come up with this stuff,” meaning the sometimes strained logic employed in Christian apologetics.

To illustrate his point, Loftus quoted noted theologian James D. Strauss, under whom he studied, as being famous for saying, “You can’t get to God unless you start with God”.

Loftus said that was the primary problem with the logic employed in apologetics — they start with the supposition that God exists and then try to work out how a world with God would work, rather than examining the world as it is.

Full post: http://neuralgourmet.com/2008/05/16/john-loftus-enterta...

Note: Loftus’ own blog can be found here: http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com

Ben, I believe that would be it!! :-)

Another take on it …

http://www.creationism.org/csshs/v12n4p03.htm

The Food and Drug Administration has delayed a request from a biotech company wanting to engage in human trials with useless, unethical embryonic stem cells. While adult stem cell research has already helped patients with dozens of diseases, embryonic stem cells have never been tried in humans because they are completely unstable and unsafe, often causing tumors or uncontrollable tissue growth.
Geron Corp. and Advanced Cell Technology Inc., notorious for falsifying medical research results in order to raise their stock prices, now claim they are ready to start human trials based upon animal testing. FDA approval is so far denied, as an unnecessary risk to human guinea pigs, in view of the many ongoing successes, cures, and beneficial treatments coming from ethical adult stem cell research.
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South Carolina is now the 18th state to enforce a choice for mothers in abortion mills to view an ultrasound image of their baby. Only South Carolina and Oklahoma require a one-hour waiting period for the mother to reflect on the just-viewed picture of the baby she is contracting to mangle, dismember, poison, or behead.
Meanwhile, in Kansas, Bilious Sebelius and a handful of “legislators” puppeted by abortionist quacks refuse to allow enforcement of informed consent to protect mothers from their ongoing criminal exploitation in Kansas abortion mills.
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Minnesota taxpayers were forced to pay $1.6 million for more than 3,900 abortions in 2006, over $400 per killing, accounting for 28% of the state’s abortions, and in addition, paid for medical care for women who suffered from botched legal abortions. Last month pro-lifers were even blocked from banning taxpayer funding of sex-selection abortions and gruesome saline abortions, wherein a late-term baby thrashes in agony for 1 to 3 hours while saline solution burns off her skin and poisons her. Planned Parenthood abortion mills are soaking up a large part of the taxpayer-funded profits, increasing their revenues from taxpayer funded abortions by 37% from 2005 to 2006 to a total of $235,000.
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As the number of licensed abortionist quacks continues to dwindle in the USofA, the Arizona Board of Nursing voted Wednesday to put women’s health at risk by allowing nurse practitioners (=unlicensed quacks) to commit first-trimester surgical abortions, in violation of state law. Unlicensed quack Mary Andrews has been admittedly and illegally committing abortions through 16 weeks of pregnancy since 2001, but the nursing board decided against penalizing Andrews for her crimes. Pro-abortion Gov. Janet Napolitano would likely veto any restrictions passed by the Legislature against unlicensed quacks committing abortions, regardless of the danger to public health and safety, since such a restriction might interfere with abortion mill profits, the source of big political “contributions”.
When George Tiller is eventually locked up or dead, this kind of risk is what the criminally exploited Kansas mothers, and out-of-state mothers coming to the Kansas abortion capital of America, can look forward to. When faced with the lack of licensed abortionist quacks, any unlicensed quack will then do.
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Anthony Shuri, 31, of Kettering, OH pleaded guilty Wednesday morning to two counts of reckless homicide in the Nov. 13, 2007 strangling death of his pregnant girlfriend, Heather Skelly, 24. In exchange, prosecutors recommended a 10-year sentence and dropped one count of murder and two counts of manslaughter. Mr. Shuri claimed to have accidentally killed the woman and her unborn baby while trying to heighten her sexual pleasure by choking her to death.

McCain, Obama Escalate War of Words Over ‘Appeasement’ Remarks

by FOXNews.com

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/16/obama-to-amplify-fight-with-bush-at-south-dakota-campaign-stop/

Friday, May 16, 2008

The war of words over whether an American president should negotiate with sponsors of terrorism escalated Friday as John McCain took Barack Obama to task for saying earlier in the day that McCain and President Bush were fear-mongering by questioning such diplomacy.

“Senator Obama would meet unconditionally with some of the world’s worst dictators and state sponsors of terrorists. I would not add to the prestige of those who support violent extremists or seek to destroy our allies,” McCain said at a meeting of the National Rifle Association in Louisville, Ky.

“It is reckless … it is reckless to suggest unconditional meetings will advance our interest,” he said.

McCain was aligning himself more closely with Bush, who touched off the foreign policy firestorm Thursday when, during an address to the Israeli Knesset, he criticized politicians who would negotiate with “terrorists and radicals” and compared that approach to the appeasement of the Nazis prior to World War II .

Though Bush did not name Obama, who has said he would meet with nations like Iran without preconditions, Democrats quickly accused the president of a broadside attack on their front-running presidential candidate.

On Friday, Obama said Bush’s words were “exactly the kind of appalling attack that’s dividing our country and that alienates us from the world.”

The Democratic front-runner then accused McCain of teaming up with Bush to launch “dishonest, divisive” attacks on his foreign policy platform.

Obama spoke while campaigning in South Dakota, which holds its Democratic primary on June 3. His speech underscored how he is looking ahead to the general election. With Bush’s approval rating very low in most national polls, Obama seized every opportunity to lump McCain in with the president and his policies.

“George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for,” Obama said, ticking off grievances ranging from the billions spent on the Iraq war to the thousands of Americans who have been killed there.

“That’s the Bush-McCain record on protecting this country. Those are the failed policies that John McCain wants to double down on, because he still hasn’t spelled out one substantial way he’d be different from George Bush when it comes to foreign policy.”

Obama accused McCain of “fear-peddling” and of embracing Bush’s comments the day before during his Knesset address.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds fired back Friday that Obama’s retort was a “hysterical diatribe in response to a speech in which his name wasn’t even mentioned.”

“Unconditional meetings with the man who calls Israel a stinking corpse and arms terrorists who kill Americans will not convince Iran to give up its nuclear program,” McCain said later Friday.

Obama stressed Friday in South Dakota that he would never enter into direct talks with terrorist groups like Hamas.

Later, at a news conference, Obama said he was offended by Bush’s comments and argued that Republican and Democratic presidents, such as John Kennedy, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, had engaged in direct talks with U.S. foes.

Obama also accused McCain of “hypocrisy,” after former State Department official James Rubin wrote in a Washington Post column that McCain said two years ago of Hamas: “They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them.”

McCain insisted Friday he would not negotiate with terrorists and defended his criticism of Obama.

“I say again, Barack Obama wants to sit down with their sponsors. If he doesn’t want to sit down with Hamas then he shouldn’t want to sit down with their sponsor,” McCain said.

McCain gave no objection to Bush’s comments Thursday and said Obama’s approach to foreign policy was fair game for questioning.

Bush said Thursday: “Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.

“We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’

“We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”

Ed Gillespie, counselor to the president, said Friday the White House was taken aback by the backlash that followed Bush’s speech.

“We did not anticipate that it would be taken that way, because it’s kind of hard to take it that way if you look at the actual words of the president’s remarks, which are consistent with what he has said in the past relative to dealing with groups like Hezbollah and Hamas and Al Qaeda,” Gillespie said.

“And so there was really nothing new in the speech that anyone could point to that would indicate that.”

He said there was some anticipation that it would be seen as a slam against former President Jimmy Carter, who recently met with leaders of Hamas, but that it was not intended as a rebuke to him, either.

FOX News’ Major Garrett and Shushannah Walshe and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Thanks American for pointing out the double standard that is between what Obama has said and what Mc Cain has said. When Mc Cain said we should talk to Hamas he was called realist. But Obama is a terrorist appeaser, though that article did get one thing wrong. Obama never said that there was no conditions to the talks, they would be after the channels had been established and the condition of the talks ironed out on lower levels.

What Obama was reacting to was his and other’s guilt in believing that we should negotiate with terrorists.

They have said so in the past and continue to say it.

Not Obama or any other person was ever mentioned by name by the president.

This could have been implied to have meant numerous domestic and international leaders.

But why didn’t Obama agree with the president, if he indeed was for a successful ending to the war and to stand with our “stalwart ally” Israel?

“You start with your preconceived conclusion and use the passage to prove the conclusion rather than looking at the passage itself.

Which is the essence of fundamentalism, now that I think about it . . .” _ CapnA

—————-

How would a musician fair if he started with his own interpretation of those black dots on the lined paper? And certainly science today interprets evidence in belief that Darwinian evolution is true and discards that which is not consistent (including other scientists).

So to say that you must start with your own interpretation of scripture is error. Not to say that there is not room for interpretation at some point. But you must have a base of knowledge on which to base your faith.

Come to think of it, doing what is right in your own eyes rather than relying on a sacred and ancient standard is an essential quality of liberalism.

Hope the Gov.’s veto will be the third time is charm, for the coal plant.

Sounds like FUN PMama!!

“JR is another issue entirely. I went two and a half months without responding to his juvenile comments concerning my ’so called wealth’ and being a ‘kept man’. I only dumped on him the other night night because I got tired of him pissing up Mary’s leg. She doesn’t deserve his crap.”

Hoo boy ya miss a lot you miss a lot.

I don’t apologize for anything I have ever posted here. That includes calling Mary on her own growing cynicism and hypocrisy.

And I reaffirm what I have posted as to Hank Price.

He served his country and was compensated and continues to be. He often brags that that compensation is invested in capital gains to increase his riches.

He also married a “Doctor” and works for her. And while I would not have a problem with that from a more humble poster, from Hank it is easy to attack.

A former poster once told me that Hank liked me. I think my friend was mistaken.

I am SURE we are past any pretenses now.

I do NOT like Hank. I do not like the gratuitous bragging about one’s own wealth when SO many people in this country and in this world are hurting.

I do not like that he and his son take pleasure in the suffering and injustice inflicted on others.

I do not like and am very disappointed that Hank and his son have on may occasions lied or speculated unkindly on me and my family.

I don’t know what this group hug thing is I am catching up on on more than this thread. But I want no part of it. I was out all day making as little as some SOB would pay me for as much as I could do for him.

Today was the day of apologist’s on the Open Thread.

Today, liberals gathered ranks to support baby Jesus Chas.

They nuture him. They tolerate him. They defend him.

Not because he is right. But because he is one of their own.

Liberals recognize Chas has faults. But it is better to appease him, than break ranks and correct him when he is wrong.

Chas is their black sheep. No way around that.

So, today was spent defending him, and making the big bad Nathan the “evil one”.

Chas is immature, granted.

However, if you want to post on a blog as an “expert” on any given subject. If you post opinions based upon your “professional expertise”.

Then by God you are subject to discussion and disagreements on those postings.

Stop defending him. He is most likely of adult age.

He should be capable of defending himself, without everyone calling on all to basically, “leave the baby alone”.

In summary,

If you insert your foot into your mouth,
you stand ALONE on the merits of your own posts.

None of this big brother or big sister crap.

That only serves to show all of us, that Chas is not capable of standing on his own.

But don’t even try to blame Nathan, for Chas postings.

Wear one nic and stick to it James.

Sheesh have you cons no shame not to call poor James to heel?

Oh, and you do not begin or end a sentence with the word “however.”

(Putting “however” in quotes is an acceptable deviation.)

Everybody, give JR a big hug now.

He had a long day. Big yard to mow, and he didn’t get paid what he was worth.

Yesterday, May 15th in the Year of Our Lord 2008,
was the attack of the CON Ninja Turtles attacking Chas for his idiotic and truth defying posts.

Today, May 16th in the Year of Our Lord 2008, was the revenge of the LIB Ninja Turtles attacking Nathan for having kicked Chas’s butt.

Stay tuned.

Get out the whole puppet show James/Max/blogmonitor.

Give me lots of evidence.

I’m taking you down.

She registered to vote at the caucus back in February.

All James has to do is prove me wrong.

He has all night to do it.

And he just did so! I’m off to catch up on other threads. I’m confident James will continue to reveal himself here.

“Sex is a great gift to us.”

Blog Monitor McCreepy has never had sex, even at his advanced age, so he wouldn’t have a clue about a “gift.”

“Predestined”

I fully agree with everything your posted.
Imagine.

Well, well, well —

What a dreadful mess of a thread yesterdday, and not much better today.

Lets see – Blogmonitor = BM = stinking feces

yea, that is about right. BM — I read a good 90% of yesterday’s thread. None of your Goons ever proved Chas lied about anything. Not only did they prove nothing, they didnt even try. just kept posting more lies to cover their lies. What a stupid piece of Blog Crap!

Today is almost as bad. I think Chas postsed maybe a dozen times today — possible a few more than a dozen — And yet, look at the wasted bandwidth attacking Chas.

What a worthless piece of stinking feces you are. and your goon thugs with you. worthless!

SquarePeg posted:

“yea, that is about right. BM
bandwidth attacking Chas
None of your Goons ever proved Chas lied
look at the wasted bandwidth
Blogmonitor = BM
more lies to cover their lies
your goon thugs”

Which are exactly the same phrases Chas and only Chas has posted.

Hi Chas! :-)

MaxGrobnik
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink
Down where?
**********
You need to ask, Maxine?

I am not going to play your mentally ill game boys. You have fun lying to each other now.

Me, I am meeting with the Editors. I talked today with 5 or 6 heavy advertisers. And if you all cant clean up this Blog soon, all of us are pulling our advertising money. And it is sizeable. For the LAST TIME I am NOT Chas.

Deal with it! You and your stupid mentally ill “proofs” arent worth the banwidth it takes to type them. You are all full of shit!

And yesterday and today is absolute proof!

Nite now! And do clean up your shit!

“not going to play your mentally ill game boys
have fun lying to each other now.
For the LAST TIME I am NOT Chas.
Deal with it!”

Pure Chas. :-)

Even the stroke of using CAPS!

;-)

BlogMonitor, there’s nothing you can say or do that will make Square Peg the same as Chas.

Nothing you can do to make Square Peg not the same as Chas either.

I wonder why they never post at exactly the same time? Happens coincidently all the time. For eg. there are 2 12:07 posts and 2 12:12 posts.

As much as Square Peg and Chas both post, odds are by now that they should post in the same minute, unless Chas/Square Peg are the same person!

Could that be true?

Blogmonitor = Shit!

BM — Who the hell are you talking to? Do you have a lot of invisible people you talk to regularly? You should seek out help for that disorder.

Clark – you could also include the use of that term >> busted. LOL Yep must be Regular. Same words. Same fetish.

Hi James.

Paul is gone.

I like to think I had something to do with that.

You and all your nics now become my project.

BM = Shit = Boxlock – I saw Boxlock post a similar anecdote a few days ago about his daughters. My My My!

Political_mama

Now hours ago, you have exhibited the wisdom of retiring from the capricious posting of late night
posers.

Glad to see someone has a lick of sense.

Unfortunately, you left me in a limbo. You brought forth memories of my children and the trying years you may now think are behind you – because your daughter hit 18.

Another item missing from the nonexistent owners manual:

At eighteen they not only THINK they are adults, but they now EXPECT you to treat them as such.

Rule Number One: If you live in my house, under my roof – you still follow MY rules.

Rule Number Two: If you as an 18 year old THINK
I am not treating you like an adult, please refer to rule number one.

Curfew: Still applies. There is absolutely NO reason an 18 year old should be out after midnight that didn’t apply when she was 17.

The only ones on the road after midnight are drunks, criminals, and other 18 year olds out to score (male or female).

Period. No excuses. (Rule one is golden).

Living at college although I am paying: Rule one no longer applies. Additionally, for some unknown reason – when you live somewhere else, I do not stay up all night WORRYING when/if you are coming home. This one is weird. But wifey and I can sleep soundly and get up early for work if you are not expected to come home. Maybe it’s the not waiting for the dog to bark. Maybe it’s not waiting for the garage door to open. Maybe it’s not hearing the sound of your keys in the front door. But for whatever reason, we can sleep at night. But go ahead and knock yourself out at collge. Somewhat at my expense: experiment. Have at it.

But just remember: I get a grade report less than a B average, I’m done footing the bill. You come home or enlist.

Rule Number One applies.

Over simplified? Maybe. But I promise you. It worked.

BM = Control Freak = Borderline Abuser

Keep on Lying – You are good at it!

O.K. liberals and democrats defending Chas.

He didn’t get YOUR hint all day.
Your redirect at Nathan was weak, at best.
You cannot blame NATHAN this time for his behavior.

When are any of you going to have the intestinal
fortitude to not be afraid of correcting your
baby?

You want good postings in the evenings?

Do YOUR part.

BM — Your obsessions are showing. Your fetish for Chas is far too obvious. If I were Chas, I would be worried that you might find out where he lives. My personal opinion is that you are at the very least potentially dangerous.

JMHO

Oh, and if I want to come back to this piece of shit Blog after saying, ‘Nite all’ – Well, guess what asshole, I dont need your permission. Why dont you go exercise your freaking control issues on your family, and leave the rest of us alone.

Damn Trolls!!

Squarepeg
“Damn Trolls!!”

All Chas all the time.
Is that it? Is that the best you got?

ROTFLMAO. :-)

I was going to bed. But if just by breathing, I can get you to keep playing hangman, I will do my part. No sweat equity involved.

Let’s see. Should I check my bait?

I got my legal limit of two poles in the water. Propane lantern is still flaring. Have bells on both rod tips. The logs on the fire are nearly embers.

Do I need to check that nightcrawler, or just sit back and wait for the bell to ring?

After thinking about it, all I need to do is sit back in my lawn chair and wait for the catfish to take the bait. Constant nibbles confirm my approach. And I’ve already caught more than my five gallon bucket can hold.

Somehow these stupid fish keep setting the hook without me even picking up my pole!

Heck, the fishing is so good, pretty soon I will have to stand behind the trees to set my bait!

Shoot! Caught another one already!
Too small. Probably should throw that one
back.

Might be a carp. If so, just skin it for bait.

Heck, we’ll let this fish catch us the next!

Well SquarePeg you sorta sealed your fate with Chas on that last one.

“Wives dont like the smell of fish in their beds!”

Had you ever had a woman, you would know how silly that sounds.

But I’m not going there.

Shucks, I’m running out of bait!

“blogmonitor” astounds us with –

“Wives dont like the smell of fish in their beds!”

Had you ever had a woman, you would know how silly that sounds.

Oh, my…

PMom, what possibly could be added to this mess?

MaxGrobnik..They played “Paradise City” at my nephew’s funeral…it was his favorite song. He was killed when he was only 11 by a neighbor kid who got hold of his grandfather’s gun and didn’t think it was loaded. I love that song and it always reminds me of him everytime I hear it.

As far as wealth…
Picasso said something really wise: “The key to happiness is to be a rich man but to live like a poor one.”
It’s the simple things that are worthwhile.