Senator Robert Dole, welcome back today to Wichita and the State of Kansas. Senator Dole had a remarkable memory for names. I recall in past years it was likely to run into Senator Dole through out Kansas talking with Kansas citizens and giving stump speeches in small farm communities of Kansas. So best wishes, Bob.
POOR BRITANNIA: GREEN FOLLIES COMING HOME TO ROOST
Vast expenditures on Green fantasies that achieve nothing (such as huge expenditure on windmills with negligible output) plus extensive Greenie restrictions on activities that ARE productive (such as use of GM crops) have their inevitable outcome
The British economy faces the real risk of falling into recession, the Governor of the Bank of England has admitted. Mervyn King warned families to brace themselves for a further “squeeze” on household finances as rising energy bills and food prices continue to rise. Mr King said that inflation was set to increase sharply to about 3.7 per cent - almost double the official target. As a result most British people will feel poorer this year as pay rises fail to keep pace with rising costs.
The Governor - who said that “the nice decade is behind us” - also warned homeowners that property prices would fall further and that it was impossible to predict the scale of the decline.
He became the first senior public figure to openly discuss the possibility that the British economy may now be heading for recession. The economy was “travelling along a bumpy road” and that a sharp downturn could not be ruled out, he said. The comments are some of the most stark issued by the Bank and indicate growing concern within Government over the economic prospects for the country. The prospects for the British economy have worsened since the Bank’s last inflation report in February.
Mr King made his comments as official figures revealed unemployment rose last month and Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, conceded that British families needed help to deal with rising fuel, food and energy costs. Mr King said: “There is going to be a sharp slowing in growth. It is quite possible that at some point we may get an odd quarter or two of negative growth, but recession is not the central projection…But clearly further shocks could push us in that direction.” The technical definition of recession is two or more consecutive quarters of negative growth, a situation last seen in 1991.
The Governor added: “As price increases feed through to household bills, they will lead to a squeeze on real take-home pay, which will slow consumer spending and output growth, perhaps sharply.” Mr King’s mention of “the nice decade” is a reference to the acronym “non-inflationary consistent expansion” used by economists to describe the sort of growth since Labour came to power.
Death Threats and Harrassment from BlueJay and his many nics
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GeorgeAKelly
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink
Sorry, James,
George Kelly did not die, (because unlike you he had a question he was after).
You are so dead, the time of your death does not matter, at all.
Good night, you corpse.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink
The noose is drawing tighter James.
Your time grows short.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink
I need to speak to his sister linda again.
She seemed….nice.
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With the new login and policies, it’s time to take the poster Bluejay completely out of the system. He thinks that stalking of my sister, making and making death threats towards me is appropriate behavior.
Time for the Wichita Eagle Editorial Department to take this clown on and send him packing permanently.
“BlueJay
Posted May 15, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink
Hey editors?
It’s been a REAL long time since you told us how your little blog is fairing.
News you’d rather not comment on?
I’d bet my hands that hits have gone down. And I mean WAY down.
Certainly we notice the absence of many long time posters.
At one time, you HAD a pretty good blog here.
Be a shame if some enterprising poster took the best of what is left of it and started a new blog somewhere else…
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink
Once again BlueJay/JR uses the anonymity of the blog instead of the adult approach. Email, write, or call the editor of the weblog JR if you have a problem with it. Better yet, if you are so disgusted, why don’t you just leave?
Let those of us who choose to post here remain
without your juvenile posts.”
Once again, KansasNative lies about what events occurred and is slowly revealing who he actually is.
CapnAmerica is the one who posted my sister’s email without authorization on this blog.
Then, hiding under anonymous nics, some poster placed her address and name on this blog.
In addition, one of the posters sent via Postal Mail, my sister a letter with derogatory information about me being mentally ill and other false accusations. I still have that letter btw.
With the new stalking laws, I hope some people get burned and burned badly.
There is a huge difference taking shots at each other here on the blog and taking it into real life, especially when there are people affected that have nothing to do with or want nothing to do with this blog.
Making death threats towards me is evidently not taken serious by Kansasnative or LR2. That says a lot about their character.
Making threats to contact my sister by BlueJay is evidently not taken seriously by the Lib posters on this blog.
I don’t bother anyone outside of this blog and the white spaces on these Web browsers.
The Libs on this blog evidently don’t realize what is legal and illegal.
What? No thread about Bush’s Nazi speech? Interesting.
Bush’s tirade, that he says wasn’t about Obama, but anybody who heard it knew what it was about, struck me. Why? His reference to Hitler.
Seems his granddaddy had a bit of a Nazi problem himself:
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
You family did not stop with supporting fascists and Nazis abroad, did they Mr. Bush? Surely you must know of your grandfather’s role in the treasonous plot of 1933 to overthrow democracy in America? Let me remind you.
Grandpa Bush - that is to say, your grandfather - wanted fascism imported into the United States, or as you now call this type of transformation, “exporting democracy.” Prescott went so far as to subsidize a coup attempt in order to achieve his dream of a fascist America (see BBC report below):
Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American
In other words, not only was your grandfather a self-professed fascist, he was a Nazi sympathizer and a war profiteer who should have stood trial at the Hague instead of buying his way into the US Senate. He was also a traitor, twice over. http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html
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Bush’s action since being elected President, haven’t fallen to far from his grandpa’s tree. He has used the office as his personal war machine to foist a war on this country to appease his childish, overblown ego. Hopefully, when all is said and done, this man will be called upon to answer for his crimes against the American people The only reason his granddad wasn’t is because of a war and money.
If grandpa had been tried for treason, as he should have, there would be no Bush dynasty today, and Bush would be flippin burgers at McD’s.
Keith Olbermann’s response to Bush’s Nazi speech is priceless, and so very true:
Mr. President, the war isn’t about you — or golf
Olbermann: Bush’s claim he gave up game to honor dead GIs is ludicrous. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24632990/
Bush’s claim to have given up golf is also untrue; he was photographed, two months after having to give up the game, playing golf. Is this man capable of telling the truth about anything?
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Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”
The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.
“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
What struck me was how quickly a vague reference in a speech in Israel can get Mr. Obama’s ears burning. Did Obama really say that we should negotiate with terrorists? I didn’t know that, but if he did, I would say it’s fair game to point it out. If not, why is he so sensitve?
Ya Walker, I thought the same about bush’s nazi speech. Hell, his grandfather was in regular contact with them. I bet if he had WANTED to talk to hitler, he could have.
But the question is, would it have been a humanitarian call?
Or a call for more business as usual. Since the modern day bush fortune was built on their trade with the nazi’s… it’s typical bush to now pretend he is the best friend the jewish people ever had.
I wonder why the WE doesnt contact some of the gold star families in Kansas and ask them how much comfort it provides them that bush lied about even giving up golf.
Out:
There is a major difference between negotiating and appeasement. Neville Chamberlain’s traitorous act in 1938 was appeasement. What Obama suggested was dialog. Big big difference.
Mornin’ ksfarmgrrl. It was business as usual. The only reason Bush’s granddaddy wasn’t tried was because, even in those days, money could buy you out of anything, if you had it. And the Bush dynasty had it. And to think American heroes died protecting the scumbag.
Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”
The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.
He also played Sept. 28 with friends at Andrews Air Force Base course and again there on Oct. 13, in honor of Columbus Day. It appears that he didn’t golf after that — at least judging from a review of media coverage since then.
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Chuckle…. Golfgate.
Bush “lied” because he may played golf two times after he remembered quitting the game FIVE YEARS AGO.
I hope the liberals “drive” that point home. They need the “balls” to take this travesty to the mat. There is no need to try to “iron” out the facts. Liberal media need to get their “slice” of fame for being able to “hook” the big “birdie”. But watch out, Bush could try to “spin” the story. Could this be the big “wedge” issue the liberals have been looking for? Stay tuned…
Liberals and their priorities. Par for the course.
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Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink
I wonder why the WE doesn’t contact some of the gold star families in Kansas and ask them how much comfort it provides them that bush lied about even giving up golf.
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That’s simple: The bushettes would never believe bush lied, even when confronted with the evidence. That would mean they realize bush has been lying about pretty much everything, and they would have to confront their own stupidity for believing in him in the first place:-)
Bush could have been addressing any leader or government in the world that has chosen appeasement of terrorists.
I think Senator Obama is giving himself too much credit that the speech was just about him. There are other nations and their leaders that needed to be addressed on the subject.
If anyone is playing politics, it was Obama thinking he was the subject of the speech.
What are you after? A blog where it is just you and your many nics? I can get that for ya son.
Just get in the closet and talk to yourself.
That outta the way.
Ya know those resolutions Congress passes? Like the Shiavo thing and all? They carry no weight but they just want the thing on record?
I’d like to see a Congressional Resolution agreeing that bush is the worst President in history. It would be a nice little going away gift for him.
Now, what do I get James?
Bush “lied” because he may played golf two times after he remembered quitting the game FIVE YEARS AGO.
I hope the liberals “drive” that point home. They need the “balls” to take this travesty to the mat. There is no need to try to “iron” out the facts. Liberal media need to get their “slice” of fame for being able to “hook” the big “birdie”. But watch out, Bush could try to “spin” the story. Could this be the big “wedge” issue the liberals have been looking for? Stay tuned…
Liberals and their priorities. Par for the course.”
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There was a reason bush claimed to have given up golf, and the death of a great man was that reason. He lied to the American people about it, and that obviously means nothing to the bushettes, as I stated earlier.
BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink
I aint going anywhere Jimmymac.
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Thanks for that spelling of “Jimmymac” BlueJay. Been trying to figure out who was it that spells it that way. So far, you are the only one, except for LR2.
Another fine example of of the bait and switch mentality of the bushettes:
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Regular
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink
Bush could have been addressing any leader or government in the world that has chosen appeasement of terrorists.
I think Senator Obama is giving himself too much credit that the speech was just about him. There are other nations and their leaders that needed to be addressed on the subject.
If anyone is playing politics, it was Obama thinking he was the subject of the speech.
I find the paranoia in the Obama camp unsettling.
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The Neocon mantra:
“bush never lied; bush never lied; bush never lied!
Uhhh, reg, it was about Obama. The paranoia is the Neocons willing to do and say anything to beat the Democrats, including lying about who the speech was about.
Personally, I find the conservatives willingness to believe the lies bush spreads unsettling.
Has Dubya finally learned the names of foreign leaders?
As for Grandpa Bush’s coziness with the Nazis, just take a look at Daddy Bush and Dubya’s coziness with the Saudis, where 15 of the 19 alleged 9/11 perps were from. See any parallels? Or is it all a coincidence?
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Regular
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink
How do you know JMWalker? Was a party affiliation used? Was anyone’s named used? Was the name of a country even used in reference to being appeasers?
The answer is “no” to all of the above.
Once again, the paranoia from the Obama camp is self-induced and their pain is self-inflicted.
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Yep, reg, your right (wink, wink) as usual. There were no names used, other than hitler, so it really couldn’t have been about Obama (wink, wink).
Damn, you’re going to stay the course all the way, aintcha? Got to give it to you: ordinary people would have folded when confronted with so much evidence of bush’s lies, but you stay the course. Must be either loyalty or stupidity. Personally, I think the latter.
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
by Frances Rice
It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist “Dixiecrats” did not all migrate to the Republican Party. “Dixiecrats” declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those “Dixiecrats” continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
Today, Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Examples of how egregiously Democrats act to keep blacks in poverty are numerous
Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.
In order to break the Democrats’ stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party’s economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:31 am
Yep, reg, your right (wink, wink) as usual. There were no names used, other than hitler, so it really couldn’t have been about Obama (wink, wink).
Damn, you’re going to stay the course all the way, aintcha? Got to give it to you: ordinary people would have folded when confronted with so much evidence of bush’s lies, but you stay the course. Must be either loyalty or stupidity. Personally, I think the latter.
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So JMWalker, you’re saying that any reference to Hitler must be about Obama?
More fun with Chas. Not only does he know the Chaplains in DC, but, yup, he’s a SPY!! He has CONNECTIONS!!! Check this out, but swallow your coffee first; otherwise it’ll be all over the screen:
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Chas
Posted May 16, 2008 at 1:32 am | Permalink
Max, according to my sources, you are a person of interest to the DHS folks —
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KansasNative
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
How paranoid is it for someone to think that someone else visiting his adult sister is a threat?
Methinks someone has some issues.
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Because JR (aka Bluejay) have been warned to stay away from my sister and her property. My sister has stated she wants nothing to do with this blog or anyone on it.
I view any contact with her from JR as harassment and stalking.
JMWalker: Your story about the Bush granddaddy is not well know, but is well documented. Another area of questionable conduct was the reimbursment of German businesses in which these ubercapitalists had an interest. They wanted, and got, compensation for damage the 8th Air Force inflicted on German war making capabilites which were in part, or wholly owned by them.
Dang I wondered why I stopped finding panties on my lawn.
GMC is stalking Chas now instead of me. And Chas is n’t even on this thread.
Hoo boy get ready Chas. You’ll start finding old legal briefs, dead birds, and empty jars of mayonaise around your place. It just means GMC has a thing for ya.
And yes, KFG, you’re right. It is silly, and juvenile, and pointless. And one of these days soon I’m sure I’ll let it go. I would point out, however, as JR did once, that it was the likes of you and JR who taught how the game was played here. Part of me thinks some on here simply don’t like their own tactics used the other way. Too bad. What’s good for the goose . . . and all that.
Chad really doesn’t need me to look stupid. He manages well on that all by himself.
And KFG, I do (and I’m sincere here) appreciate the “I expect better of you.” And you’re right; I’ll let it go.
At least until Chas’ next obvious attempt to say he didn’t say what he clearly said.
KFG, my cousin thinks the Cali SC ruling yesterday was a way to motivate the anti gay base into getting out and voting- by p’ing them off right before the election. If they’re at the polls to vote, they will vote republican for the presidential election. Do you think that’s what the SC did? I can’t understand why Republicans would rule for it…but that does make sense.
Well Pmom, I’m not sure the court ruled that way just to make the republicans happy. They ruled that way because it was justified. Read the opinion.
However, yes, you can bet your sweet ass this will bring the con repubs out in droves, and once again, while the economy sucks and the war is a complete failure…
…good americans will worry more about gay marriage.
The court rules the way it rules. Whether or not the repukes use that ruling to energize their base and rape the constitution… AGAIN… is up to the repukes.
I cant WAIT for hagee and parsley and such to get on their homophobic bandwagon.
We’ll see what “issues” are REALLY important to republicans.
And if the repukes do use this ruling to energize their wingnut base?
Obama will pander to them. He’s got all the credentials to say “hey, I’m on YOUR side with gay marriage”. And he will. He’s demonstrated his willingness to throw the gay community under the bus to pander to evangelicals.
I bet he out panders the republicans.
Having mcclurkin and kirbyjon caldwell raise money for him puts him in good company with the repukes.
So JMWalker, you’re saying that any reference to Hitler must be about Obama?
How paranoid is that?
posted by that stalwart bushette, regular.
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again, making things up, are we?
Your conclusion reflects the typical republican other mantra: Obfuscate, obfuscate . . . if done enough times, somebody might believe us.
Trouble is, you all have used that so many times, you couldn’t tell the truth from fiction anymore. So you make up your own fiction. No paranoia need there; just plain stupidity on your side.
Bush the deceider apparently gets to decide who gets peaceful nuclear energy. Ther RW was saying why does an oil rich country like Iran need nuclear energr, will they be saying Why does Saudi Arabia need nuclear energy?
As Bush flew into Riyadh, the White House said the United States, the world’s largest energy consumer, had agreed to help protect the resources of the world’s top oil exporter and help it in developing peaceful nuclear energy.
The announcement came as Bush ended a three-day trip to Israel where he vowed to oppose Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
RESISTANCE TO OIL PLEAS
While Bush was likely to find common ground on Iran with Abdullah, the Saudi monarch has shown little sign of budging in his resistance to Bush’s calls to get OPEC to pump more oil into world markets.
Since Bush’s last visit, oil prices have jumped nearly $30 to around $126 a barrel,
False groundswell — letter writing and plagiarism
Back in February of this year, we caught Frances Rice, one of the state’s leading Republican organizers, plagiarizing Washington Post columnist Colbert King; when cornered, she accused Venice Florida! dot com of racism. http://www.veniceflorida.com/features/falsegroundswell.htm
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Francis Rice looks like another Neocon who uses the Neocon mantra to spread lies and discontent. Hell, even does it plagiarizing. What more could one want in a Neocon?
Chris Matthews was try to muddy the waters and the reference to Neville Chamberlain and his dealings with Hitler was characterized by Winston Churchhill as “The general policy of appeasement.”
Here’s an example of Chamberlain’s appeasement policy:
Chamberlain stood by without objection, while Adolph Hitler illegally annexed Austria and Czechslovokia.
Here’s what Chamberlain’s response was:
How horrible, fantastic it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. I am myself a man of peace from the depths of my soul.
Chamberlain when smacked in the face with obvious signs of naked agression by Hitler chose to be an appeaser. Shortly after Chamberlain’s speech, Hitler attacked and invaded Czechslovokia and then of course, the Blitzkried (lightning war) on Poland.
A long time personal friend of Chamberlain and a Lord in the House of Commons, Leo Amery, delivered this speech to Chamberlain.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Even after that stinging rebuke, Chamberlain still sat on his hands. In the meantime, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium and France.
Finally, after admitting to his failure on the policy of appeasement, on the evening of 10 May 1940, Chamberlain tendered his resignation to the King and formally recommended Sir Winston Churchill as his successor.
What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.
If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.
Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
Since the Repub. party wouldn’t let a reporter in to the Rove “fund raiser”, one has to wonder if perhaps it wasn’t more of a strategy planning meeting.
Wonder how the Jews liked the comparison of Bin Laden with Hitler, I thought they were sensitive to those kind of exagerations. I didn’t notice any applauding when he made the ignorant statement.
What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
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What President Bush stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You cannot use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
Actually, that was my second thought yesterday, KSFarmGrrl.
My first thought was good for the Cal Supreme Court for finally giving everybody the right to get married under the law (the law, which shouldn’t be based on anybody’s religion).
My second thought was what perfect timing for the national election. Why does this only rise to national prominence–like a flag burning amendment–every four years coinciding with a presidential election?
Coincidence? I think not.
Anyway, most Americans favor gay marriage now. The CONs can only flog that near-dead horse for so long. Americans are growing more inclusive despite them.
These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.
If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.
Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
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You obviously don’t know the difference between appeasement and diplomacy. There can be no end to the war on terror without diplomacy, unless, as the republicans seem to suggest, we just go out and kill em all, and damn the innocents caught in the middle.
Winston Churchill addressing a speech at Westminster College. (A relative of mine was there)
Winston Churchill
“The Sinews of Peace”
A speech by Winston Churchill at Westminster College.
And related to the topic of appeasement. Sir Winston Churchill was an inspirational leader.
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President McCluer, ladies and gentlemen, and last, but certainly not least, the President of the United States of America:
I am very glad indeed to come to Westminster College this afternoon, and I am complimented that you should give me a degree from an institution whose reputation has been so solidly established. The name “Westminster” somehow or other seems familiar to me. I feel as if I have heard of it before. Indeed now that I come to think of it, it was at Westminster that I received a very large part of my education in politics, dialectic, rhetoric, and one or two other things. In fact we have both been educated at the same, or similar, or, at any rate, kindred establishments.
It is also an honor, ladies and gentlemen, perhaps almost unique, for a private visitor to be introduced to an academic audience by the President of the United States. Amid his heavy burdens, duties, and responsibilities, unsought but not recoiled from, the President has traveled a thousand miles to dignify and magnify our meeting here to-day and to give me an opportunity of addressing this kindred nation, as well as my own countrymen across the ocean, and perhaps some other countries too. The President has told you that it is his wish, as I am sure it is yours, that I should have full liberty to give my true and faithful counsel in these anxious and baffling times. I shall certainly avail myself of this freedom, and feel the more right to do so because any private ambitions I may have cherished in my younger days have been satisfied beyond my wildest dreams. Let me however make it clear that I have no official mission or status of any kind, and that I speak only for myself. There is nothing here but what you see.
I can therefore allow my mind, with the experience of a lifetime, to play over the problems which beset us on the morrow of our absolute victory in arms, and to try to make sure with what strength I have that what has gained with so much sacrifice and suffering shall be preserved for the future glory and safety of mankind.
Ladies and gentlemen, the United States stands at this time at the pinnacle of world power. It is a solemn moment for the American Democracy. For with primacy in power is also joined an awe-inspiring accountability to the future. If you look around you, you must feel not only the sense of duty done but also you must feel anxiety lest you fall below the level of achievement. Opportunity is here and now, clear and shining for both our countries. To reject it or ignore it or fritter it away will bring upon us all the long reproaches of the after-time. It is necessary that the constancy of mind, persistency of purpose, and the grand simplicity of decision shall rule and guide the conduct of the English-speaking peoples in peace as they did in war. We must, and I believe we shall, prove ourselves equal to this severe requirement.
President McCluer, when American military men approach some serious situation they are wont to write at the head of their directive the words “over-all strategic concept”. There is wisdom in this, as it leads to clarity of thought. What then is the over-all strategic concept which we should inscribe to-day? It is nothing less than the safety and welfare, the freedom and progress, of all the homes and families of all the men and women in all the lands. And here I speak particularly of the myriad cottage or apartment homes where the wage-earner strives amid the accidents and difficulties of life to guard his wife and children from privation and bring the family up the fear of the Lord, or upon ethical conceptions which often play their potent part.
. . . and let’s look at bush’s giving up golf because of the war:
Is that not insulting to the troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan, or what? Giving up golf? Oh, ya, and I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact he had to give up running at the same time because of the leg problem he had. He would never lie about that. Just ask any bushette.
The man is so out of touch with reality, one wonders if he is capable of performing his duties as president. Maybe he could give some visiting female dignitary a neck massage. Should turn her on, what (wink, wink)?
“President McCluer, when American military men approach some serious situation they are wont to write at the head of their directive the words “over-all strategic concept”. There is wisdom in this, as it leads to clarity of thought. What then is the over-all strategic concept which we should inscribe to-day? It is nothing less than the safety and welfare, the freedom and progress, of all the homes and families of all the men and women in all the lands. And here I speak particularly of the myriad cottage or apartment homes where the wage-earner strives amid the accidents and difficulties of life to guard his wife and children from privation and bring the family up the fear of the Lord, or upon ethical conceptions which often play their potent part.”
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Anybody else see the hypocrisy of that paragraph? The phrase, “over-all strategic concept”, is totally anathema to this president’s way of thinking. As proof, I offer the Iraq war.
One of the first thing a submariner is taught is to count the number of dives, and the number of surfacings; divide by two. If it’s not an even number, don’t open the hatch. I’m afraid bush can’t count that high ;-0
A little snippet on the bushonomy.
Consumers’ mood grim in May: survey 41 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Consumer confidence tumbled to its lowest in 28 years this month, a survey showed on Friday, as short-term inflation expectations hit their highest since the stagflationary early 1980s.
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Anybody else see the hypocrisy of that paragraph? The phrase, “over-all strategic concept”, is totally anathema to this president’s way of thinking. As proof, I offer the Iraq war.
One of the first thing a submariner is taught is to count the number of dives, and the number of surfacings; divide by two. If it’s not an even number, don’t open the hatch. I’m afraid bush can’t count that high ;-0
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A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
The point about Golf, his playing golf or not is not important but to instead of answering the question with a medical reason made him stop. He pinned a noble cause to it and in doing so insulted the memory and sacrifice of the soldiers whom die and their families. Plan enough, but then to be shown he was lying about it is even more an insult. There are times where to lie is needed, but to lie when the need is not there is a mental issue. How much of an honoring of Regular’s service would it be if I said I am giving up drinking to honor him. When I in fact gave it up over twelve years ago, before I know he existed? And what would be the point of me bring it up when the question is why did you stop drinking?
The Republicans in Congress did yesterday something I have been talking about and how the claim by the Democrats is a straw man. The Republicans simply did not vote for the funding request, now they know as well as the Democrats that without this bill Iraq will not come to a halt. There is enough money already in the bank to fund anything that will be needed till the funding bill does pass. The Republicans simply did what the Democrats could have been doing all along instead of claiming that they do not have the 60 vote majority need to pass the bill. Since it takes a majority to pass a bill it stands to reason that it would also take a majority to fail one too. Do not get me wrong, I am not for a total withdraw or de-funding of Iraq we need to “win”. But for too long the Congress has been failing at its job, war profiteering has been a problem in every war. But it has never been so blatant and open as it has been in Iraq. Of all the problem with Iraq this is one easily solved and the winners are the soldiers followed by the taxpayers.
Stop the emergency funding and when such a request is made send it back to the president’s desk stating that it has to be in the form of a regular spending bill with oversight and control of where and to whom the money goes. There can be a emergency set-a-side for the unforeseen but the daily operation and construction should be with oversight.
We’re finally seeing some photos of Jenna Bush’s wedding.
And I have one question. Has that gawd-awful granite cross been in the Crawford Ranch’s back yard all along?! I swear, it looks like they got married in a grave yard.
And if they ordered it specifically for Jenna’s wedding, that’s one thing. They simply didn’t know it’d be that clunky and kitschy until it arrived and were stuck with it.
But if it’s been adorning the Bush back yard ever since the Crawford “ranch” was conjured up by Karl Rove leading up to Shrub’s political campaigns… golly!
Do you know anyone who has anything like a huge granite crucifix out back next to the patio? What kind of person would do something like that?!
Forget for a moment that Shrub is an absolute screw-up as President of the United States. Forget that he got elected because he was a reformed alcoholic people wanted to have a beer with. We’re talking about your next-door neighbor here. If your next-door neighbor had an eight-foot-tall granite cross in the back yard, wouldn’t you think that a tad…odd?
Makes me want to see photos of the other lawn ornaments in Laura Bush’s yard. I’m bettin’ on plastic flamingos.
Monkeybreath sure is fasinated with the Bush family.
I mean, who really gives a rats butt about the wedding or the lawn ornaments?
Secret Bush admirer?
Wording reflects Monkey’s longing for fulfillment.
He probably fired up some popcorn and had a cold beer to wash it down as he drueled over the images.
Too bad Rove, Inc. didn’t let The Eagle reporter in. The only thing he had left to cover was the protest outside.
Good thinking, RepubliCONs . . .
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/story/405735.html
Protest over Rove speech is a bit formal
BY DION LEFLER
The Wichita Eagle
A Wichita appearance by former White House political aide Karl Rove touched off a little street theater Thursday, with protesters masquerading as millionaires lampooning the man known as “the Architect” of President Bush’s electoral victories.
Rove spoke to about 125 Republican activists and supporters who paid $50 a plate — $150 to have their picture taken with Rove — at a party fundraiser at the 20th Century Center on North Broadway.
The speech was closed to the news media.
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Outside Rove’s speech, about a half-dozen demonstrators showed up in tuxedos, yachting apparel and evening gowns with million-dollar play-money bills poking out of their pockets.
With sparkling cider in champagne glasses, they “toasted” Rove’s appearance and waved signs bearing slogans such as: “Widen the wealth inequality gap.”
A few people stopped by to join the costumed demonstrators and expressed their own disdain over Rove’s role in building the case for the invasion of Iraq.
“I think this war has gone too far,” said Christina Blanchard. “Too many of our loved ones are dying over there.”
Harry Furst stood with the demonstrators in a cap from the amphibious assault ship USS Guam, on which he served in the 1970s.
He said he was angered that the military was diverted to Iraq instead of tracking down Osama Bin Laden after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
“I’m a veteran and I think I speak for a lot of veterans,” he said. “I won’t say most of them, because that’s what Rove and his cronies do. They never wore the uniform, but they sent good men and women into harm’s way.”
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Dressing up like millionaires to toast the Bush administration and what it stands for . . . genius, pure genius.
Interesting comment. I wonder if there is any documentation to support it? Probably just another worthless poll at best.
The real poll was made at the elections in over half the states, where voters approved by a large margin - that marriage is restricted to the union of a man and a woman.
Now maybe Capn spin is referring to a question regarding “civil unions”. He may find something to support that.
Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.
Talk about making a big tado about nothing.
Next up: “Impeach Bush for Golfing!”
Funny in a nausiating sort of way.
Dr Max, I missed your silly contest. Had I been invited, I’m sure I’d have submitted the winner.
Who was yer judge? Normally when you have a contest, you have some lead time and provide a final submission date which is out fer enough fer
everyone to participate.
I can understand your digust with the Chas., did-or-didn’t-is-or-aint crap.
I think it goes to the core of a lot of the problems we have in America today.
Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.
Nathan is a member of the ‘religous right’. Therefore, he has no credibility or honor with the lefties.
Unfortunately the opposite of both previous statements is true. As a Christian, I believe in a core of beliefs of Christian Doctrine. There are certain things that I believe anyone that professes to be a Christian should be able to agree on.
Unfortunately, I believe that much of the Doctrine I believe in is considered dogma by others. We can have discussions about dogma but any Christian will (and should) defend Doctrine.
That being said, I think the Chas, Nathan, GMC, Hank, etc., discussions are merely the surface of a much deeper rift.
Unfortunately, I believe Steven has been a casualty of these childish arguments. I truly believe he was trying to find some mid point between Nathan and Chas. I think he fell into the gap between their individual beliefs.
Regular: Hitler got Austria by reason of a referendum (Anchluss)to join with Germany and the Czech matter (who were heavily German speaking being, a new country created by the Treaty of Versailles) was agreed to by a conference involving Italy and France as well. There were no invasions at all. Hitler’s demands were deemed reasonable in that it seemed he was only trying to gather the German speaking peoples into One Reich, as they were prior to the Treaty of Versailles. Much of the upper class in the UK and Europe agreed with his aims and objects. The Danzig Corridor in Poland (another country created by the Treaty, taking away German lands) became a flash point in the East. The Poles were no saints and had tried to annex more areas of East Prussia and parts of the Ukraine from a prostrate Germany and Russia, after being given nation status in 1921. There is more to it than a matter of appeasement. The UK knew what was coming and Chamberalin bought time to build up the RAF and the Royal Navy, brought Churchill then in opposition, into the Cabinet as First Sea Lord. The RAF was able to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain 1940-41 and the Navy was prepared for the outbreak of hostilities because of his actions. The famous saying about “going” was by reason of an intra-Conservative strife, not uncommon, and first used by Cromwell against the Long Parliament circa 1650. It wasn’t original. Another intersting fact is that the British Empire had warned the UK that if they went to war against Germany for some interest in Eastern Europe, they would have no Commonwealth support. The UK invaded Norway to curtail vital Nazi war materials(a disaster)carried out many raids along the European Coast and commenced war in the air by RAF fighter command and bomber command right after the “sitzkreing” ended when Germany invaded the Lowlands and France. He did not sit on his hands. Nonetheless Chamberalin was a poor choice by reason of health and inclinations to lead the UK in war but Churchill was, happily in the right place at the right time, to be appointed PM by the King.
A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
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I knew there was a funny bone hiding somewhere in that bushbot body. Of course, humor means different things to different people, and some could never get the joke, be they hatch open, or hatch closed:-)
“Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.”
Hank, that’s just a blatent lie.
Many of us “lefties” have also commented to Chas that he should just ignore things, and I posted this morning that he asks for it. And I laughed my ass off and said so the other day about you handing him his ass. Again.
I dont think any of us give a rat’s patootie about the “substance” (big eye roll) of the arguments. There isnt any.
It’s just boys pulling the wings off of flies.
And it is annoying, just like clark vs nathan, regular vs everyone, and the constant whining about JR.
And I believe some “lefties” here have commented on that as well.
So.. to say that this is a left or right issue is just nuts.
We all take shots, and pride ourselves on rhetoric. But this is doing NOTHING to bring anyone to Christ, which I suppose should be the goal of any christian.
It just shows how mean some humans can be.
But you dont have to tell me or show me about mean humans here on the blog. Seventy percent of kansans fall into that category and I’m reminded of that daily.
You know what Hank, behind the scenes I have talked to Chas about him letting the Cons get the better of him. But you know as well as I do that they pester him just to get him riled up.
And what you do about his Christianity is downright wrong, so yeah I’ll side with Chas.
You side with such vileness beliefs that I can’t even imagine how hateful you must feel without a filter.
And I’ve remarked many times about the switching of ID’s within my own side.
Regular, if you’re going to post something you should always state your source.
I noted that today, Wikipedia’s entries about Chamberlain and the Treaty of Munich have both been revised TODAY to mimic the republican talking points. Now isn’t that convenient.
Political_mama
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink
Regular, if you’re going to post something you should always state your source.
I noted that today, Wikipedia’s entries about Chamberlain and the Treaty of Munich have both been revised TODAY to mimic the republican talking points. Now isn’t that convenient.
Regular
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Do you ever tire of being wrong PMom?
Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
oops, spelled blitzkrieg wrong and the source is wikipedia, among other places…
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
posted by reg hisself!!
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I knew there was a funny bone hiding somewhere in that bushbot body. Of course, humor means different things to different people, and some could never get the joke, be they hatch open, or hatch closed:-)
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Well Hank told me there are screen doors on submarines, so I have to defer to the expert on that matter.
However, the wisdom of having porous openings on a vessel that spends the majority of its time underwater escapes me.
“And I’ve remarked many times about the switching of ID’s within my own side.”
Ditto Pmom. Nic switching is just low class, no matter who does it. And it happens on both sides.
But I think it is funny, that after a while, you can tell who it is, by spelling or phrasing or topic or position.
The only ones the nic switchers are fooling are themselves.
Another funny thing? I guess I CLOCKED one of my liberal buddies the other day who was posting under another nic. Had I known it was him, I would have held my fire. Instead, I clocked him and it pissed him off.
But if you nic switch to say STEW-PUD things or to be argumentitive, you get what you deserve.
“Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.
“Nathan is a member of the ‘religous [sic] right’. Therefore, he has no credibility or honor with the lefties.”
Sorry, “HLP,” but “Nathaniel” is a narcissistic prig who got a burr under his saddle months ago because he was horrified by “Chas’” regular nighty-night sign-off about God (whatever you deem him to be) blessing you.
This was a while back, maybe around the time “Nathan” was threatening to kill people who might shoot his dog. Hardly a night’s gone by since on WE Blog that “Nathan” or “Nathaniel” hasn’t gone on the attack against “Chas” by accusing “Chas” of not being “Christian.” With all the subtlety and class one might associate with the Spanish Inquisition. It’s prototype trolling. And it’s often a sign of other mental problems.
I’ve gotten into some issue-related dust-ups with “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” from time to time. And I’ve come to realize he’s got some issues not altogether unexpected of at least 20% of Iraq War veterans. Paranoia, persecution complex, macho posturing, dead-end job, religious ideation, a martyr’s mindset, a warrior for the “One TRUE God,”… You can look ‘em up.
I think you’re mistaken with a lot of your opinions, “HLP,” but I don’t think you’re mentally ill. Wish I could say as much about your kid.
I think “Chas” over-reacts more than he should. He’s been insulted and attack about his faith, his life’s calling, nearly every day for months on end. We’ve all been lured in by internet trolls and it’s nothing to be proud of. But provocation is a bitch to ignore.
And, from those long-ago days when “Nathan” became outraged over “Chas’” innocuous little good-night blessing, the sore has festered. But make no mistake. “Nathan” (later “Nathaniel”) is regularly the provocateur.
Well Hank told me there are screen doors on submarines, so I have to defer to the expert on that matter.
However, the wisdom of having porous openings on a vessel that spends the majority of its time underwater escapes me.
posted by reg hisself, again!
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I think Hank would agree that if you can’t divide by two, you have no business on a sub:-)
Seems like the left here seem to think if he says he is, he is. That’s consistent with what we’ve been saying about phelps, et al.
If the issue is pulling the wings off of flies,uh, yeah, it seems the libs fall on the side of compassion. The right? Not so much.
Having said that, I’ve made fun of regular in the past for his pathetic state. I’m sorry I did that. He clearly has a soft spot in his heart for some things. And I’ve seen where he’s actually been wounded too.
And I feel sorry for JR every time you all piss on him for how he’s raising his kid and for his economic state. I wish he didnt feel the way he does about some things, but making fun of him isnt helping anyone.
Steven not only tried to bridge a gap between nathan and chas, but between reg and others too. And reg dumped on him. Of course we dont know what went on in their lunch, but Steven has tried, in good faith, to make this blog a better place.
And he was run off for it.
I’m not sure I can define the line, because it isnt a bright line. But at some point, it is possible to cross that “line” from being funny and sharp to being just plain mean.
Like Stevens said about porn, I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it. You all questioning Chas ministry and his faith may have started out being funny, but now it is just mean. Flies and wings and all.
Monkey, you may be right about all that, but sadly, he was like that BEFORE he went on his last tour. Whatever his problems are, I dont think you can blame the war.
blogmonitor
Posted May 16, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
“that bush lied about even giving up golf.”
Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.
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There’s a word that goes to the heart of the matter, blogmo, and that word is credibility. Bush has none, as proven by the Iraq war. This golf thing is just another example, and they keep piling up. And that spells a decided lack of character and credibility.
Political_mama while you started out with a fair statement you quickly fell back into the left is right and right is wrong argument.
Chas lies. Plain and simple. I don’t have an ax to grind with him only post here ocassionally but can see that he makes statements with no attachment to truth. If he is a friend of yours and you talk to him off the board then you should point this out to him. That is all most posters are saying to him.
I like to have genuine arguments about valid points and petty arguments aren’t fun for observers which I am.
Both side should ratchet it down. No more death threats, no more remarks about family members, no personal attacks on the right or left. That said I retire now to get some sleep. I work a night shift and day sleeping is hard for me.
Ksfrmgrl I believe the reason Obama is so upset is because Hillary ate his lunch on this subject in one of their first debates when he said he would talk to anyone. Wish I had a link. Sure it is out there just don’t have time to find it. Good nite.
“Monkey, you may be right about all that, but sadly, he was like that BEFORE he went on his last tour. Whatever his problems are, I dont think you can blame the war.”
I bow to your observations. I guess I wasn’t around here much before he went to the war zone.
But there are traits revealed by “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” posts to this forum that make me genuinely concerned about his mental health.
This is in no way an “attack,” anymore than if “HLP” said, “Look at my kid’s freckles,” and I’d be compelled to observe, “Uhm, no. Those are measles.”
“Nathan” and “Nathaniel’s” revelations on this forum keep giving clues of a ticking time bomb.
And while I think “Chas” has spent way too much time flopping in the back of the boat after getting trolled by “Nathan/Nathaniel,” I can understand his frustration. Compassionate Christian that he is, “Chas” keeps — as a matter of faith — hoping and expecting sane behavior from an insane mind.
From an observer that is hanging around way to long today. Monkeyhawk and Ksfrmgrl you attributing mental health problems to people playing a simple game with a proven liar because he keeps claiming he is telling the truth when he is obviously lying. Read it yourself. The proof is there about him and square peg. Well this seems to be a form of self denial on the liberal side. Defend the liar and apply mental health problems to his victim well you make your own decisions based on the facts.
I will try to rachet it down. I’m just as guilty as anyone else, and I surely don’t want to be the thing that throws anyone over the edge. I know in the past that people have said things to me that have really REALLY hurt. And what we do is respond with anger and defensiveness.
I’d like to make the blog a better place. But it is going to take everyone doing it too. I have little faith it can be achieved. I’m one person, but I’ll try to do my part.
I am also worried about Nathan. And I’m not saying this to pick on him. Truly. He’s in a vunerable group. I tend to give Nathan a pass for the things he says, and that’s not right either though. I’ve told him in the past that I think he does this in order to be able to do his job. He disagrees. I don’t, because he’s not the only one I talk to online. There does seem to be a disconnect with most of them. I HATE that. But I can hope that once the threat of their death is over, they’ll look at it in a more appropriate light.
I’ll equate this to when I stopped running on the ambulance, and the time when I was mutilated by my surgeon. Those two times, I was completely repulsed by images even on tv of sanitized accidents. Trauma: Life in the ER was always one of my favorite shows, and I couldn’t hardly watch it anymore. I remember especially this one story of a woman who was killed in an auto accident, and I was sitting there in tears, just bawling…wondering how I could ever go back out there and treat people like that ever again. It was so strange I can’t even tell you…me, the one who loved the excitement of this kind of thing….I thought I had lost that forever. So when I started running again, I have to say, it flipped right back on when I did. Like I had never skipped a beat. But I’m also a better person now for realizing that is what it is.
You learn coping mechanisms in order to function in an environment like that. you make it less bad in your mind so you can do what needs to be done. I realized I had employed that tool as when when I was being abused by my ex-husband. It was always worse for someone else…wasn’t so bad for me. And…I wasn’t worthy of a healthy relationship. You never see it at the time when you’re in it. It isn’t until you look back and then you can see it.
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Senator Robert Dole, welcome back today to Wichita and the State of Kansas. Senator Dole had a remarkable memory for names. I recall in past years it was likely to run into Senator Dole through out Kansas talking with Kansas citizens and giving stump speeches in small farm communities of Kansas. So best wishes, Bob.
POOR BRITANNIA: GREEN FOLLIES COMING HOME TO ROOST
Vast expenditures on Green fantasies that achieve nothing (such as huge expenditure on windmills with negligible output) plus extensive Greenie restrictions on activities that ARE productive (such as use of GM crops) have their inevitable outcome
The British economy faces the real risk of falling into recession, the Governor of the Bank of England has admitted. Mervyn King warned families to brace themselves for a further “squeeze” on household finances as rising energy bills and food prices continue to rise. Mr King said that inflation was set to increase sharply to about 3.7 per cent - almost double the official target. As a result most British people will feel poorer this year as pay rises fail to keep pace with rising costs.
The Governor - who said that “the nice decade is behind us” - also warned homeowners that property prices would fall further and that it was impossible to predict the scale of the decline.
He became the first senior public figure to openly discuss the possibility that the British economy may now be heading for recession. The economy was “travelling along a bumpy road” and that a sharp downturn could not be ruled out, he said. The comments are some of the most stark issued by the Bank and indicate growing concern within Government over the economic prospects for the country. The prospects for the British economy have worsened since the Bank’s last inflation report in February.
Mr King made his comments as official figures revealed unemployment rose last month and Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, conceded that British families needed help to deal with rising fuel, food and energy costs. Mr King said: “There is going to be a sharp slowing in growth. It is quite possible that at some point we may get an odd quarter or two of negative growth, but recession is not the central projection…But clearly further shocks could push us in that direction.” The technical definition of recession is two or more consecutive quarters of negative growth, a situation last seen in 1991.
The Governor added: “As price increases feed through to household bills, they will lead to a squeeze on real take-home pay, which will slow consumer spending and output growth, perhaps sharply.” Mr King’s mention of “the nice decade” is a reference to the acronym “non-inflationary consistent expansion” used by economists to describe the sort of growth since Labour came to power.
Death Threats and Harrassment from BlueJay and his many nics
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GeorgeAKelly
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink
Sorry, James,
George Kelly did not die, (because unlike you he had a question he was after).
You are so dead, the time of your death does not matter, at all.
Good night, you corpse.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:06 am | Permalink
The noose is drawing tighter James.
Your time grows short.
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BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink
I need to speak to his sister linda again.
She seemed….nice.
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With the new login and policies, it’s time to take the poster Bluejay completely out of the system. He thinks that stalking of my sister, making and making death threats towards me is appropriate behavior.
Time for the Wichita Eagle Editorial Department to take this clown on and send him packing permanently.
After your threats against Captain America your whining seems disingenuous. What goes around, comes around. Suck it up Reguliar!
“BlueJay
Posted May 15, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink
Hey editors?
It’s been a REAL long time since you told us how your little blog is fairing.
News you’d rather not comment on?
I’d bet my hands that hits have gone down. And I mean WAY down.
Certainly we notice the absence of many long time posters.
At one time, you HAD a pretty good blog here.
Be a shame if some enterprising poster took the best of what is left of it and started a new blog somewhere else…
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink
Once again BlueJay/JR uses the anonymity of the blog instead of the adult approach. Email, write, or call the editor of the weblog JR if you have a problem with it. Better yet, if you are so disgusted, why don’t you just leave?
Let those of us who choose to post here remain
without your juvenile posts.”
Jimmy — practice what you preach
Once again, two of the sock puppets of the Libs have posted providing excuses for their terrible behavior.
LR2 accuses me of being American_Way, which I am not. Only one poster does that on this blog and that is BlueJay aka JR.
Draw your own conclusions on who LR2 is.
Reguliar, you are the one who exposed yourself and your sister (nice Linda).
Sorry but 6-7 year olds are taught about the internet and its dangers.
The threats you’ve made at other posters are many. Why should you get a pass?
As you sow, so shall you reap.
Sucks to be you.
Once again, KansasNative lies about what events occurred and is slowly revealing who he actually is.
CapnAmerica is the one who posted my sister’s email without authorization on this blog.
Then, hiding under anonymous nics, some poster placed her address and name on this blog.
In addition, one of the posters sent via Postal Mail, my sister a letter with derogatory information about me being mentally ill and other false accusations. I still have that letter btw.
With the new stalking laws, I hope some people get burned and burned badly.
There is a huge difference taking shots at each other here on the blog and taking it into real life, especially when there are people affected that have nothing to do with or want nothing to do with this blog.
Making death threats towards me is evidently not taken serious by Kansasnative or LR2. That says a lot about their character.
Making threats to contact my sister by BlueJay is evidently not taken seriously by the Lib posters on this blog.
I don’t bother anyone outside of this blog and the white spaces on these Web browsers.
The Libs on this blog evidently don’t realize what is legal and illegal.
What? No thread about Bush’s Nazi speech? Interesting.
Bush’s tirade, that he says wasn’t about Obama, but anybody who heard it knew what it was about, struck me. Why? His reference to Hitler.
Seems his granddaddy had a bit of a Nazi problem himself:
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
You family did not stop with supporting fascists and Nazis abroad, did they Mr. Bush? Surely you must know of your grandfather’s role in the treasonous plot of 1933 to overthrow democracy in America? Let me remind you.
Grandpa Bush - that is to say, your grandfather - wanted fascism imported into the United States, or as you now call this type of transformation, “exporting democracy.” Prescott went so far as to subsidize a coup attempt in order to achieve his dream of a fascist America (see BBC report below):
Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American
In other words, not only was your grandfather a self-professed fascist, he was a Nazi sympathizer and a war profiteer who should have stood trial at the Hague instead of buying his way into the US Senate. He was also a traitor, twice over.
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html
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Bush’s action since being elected President, haven’t fallen to far from his grandpa’s tree. He has used the office as his personal war machine to foist a war on this country to appease his childish, overblown ego. Hopefully, when all is said and done, this man will be called upon to answer for his crimes against the American people The only reason his granddad wasn’t is because of a war and money.
If grandpa had been tried for treason, as he should have, there would be no Bush dynasty today, and Bush would be flippin burgers at McD’s.
Keith Olbermann’s response to Bush’s Nazi speech is priceless, and so very true:
Mr. President, the war isn’t about you — or golf
Olbermann: Bush’s claim he gave up game to honor dead GIs is ludicrous.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24632990/
Bush’s claim to have given up golf is also untrue; he was photographed, two months after having to give up the game, playing golf. Is this man capable of telling the truth about anything?
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Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”
The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.
He also played Sept. 28 with friends at Andrews Air Force Base course and again there on Oct. 13, in honor of Columbus Day. It appears that he didn’t golf after that — at least judging from a review of media coverage since then.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503538.html?hpid=news-col-blog
Bush has gone wacko in his final days of being worst president ever.
If you all didnt read Steve Kraske’s “Neufeld is toast” column, you should. Money quote:
“For his part, Neufeld doesn’t seem to get it.”
To quote Dave….
“YA THINK?”
Olbermann is a true weenie.
“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
What struck me was how quickly a vague reference in a speech in Israel can get Mr. Obama’s ears burning. Did Obama really say that we should negotiate with terrorists? I didn’t know that, but if he did, I would say it’s fair game to point it out. If not, why is he so sensitve?
Hmmm….
Ya Walker, I thought the same about bush’s nazi speech. Hell, his grandfather was in regular contact with them. I bet if he had WANTED to talk to hitler, he could have.
But the question is, would it have been a humanitarian call?
Or a call for more business as usual. Since the modern day bush fortune was built on their trade with the nazi’s… it’s typical bush to now pretend he is the best friend the jewish people ever had.
Pander much?
obama ought to tie that dead chicken of a preznit around mcSAME’s neck until it stinks and rots off.
But who wants to bet obama doesnt have the stomach for it?
I wonder why the WE doesnt contact some of the gold star families in Kansas and ask them how much comfort it provides them that bush lied about even giving up golf.
Dang, this girl has some skillz…
Six foot,12 year old not allowed to play on boys team.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/15/boddie.girl.off.boys.team.koin
Out:
There is a major difference between negotiating and appeasement. Neville Chamberlain’s traitorous act in 1938 was appeasement. What Obama suggested was dialog. Big big difference.
Mornin’ ksfarmgrrl. It was business as usual. The only reason Bush’s granddaddy wasn’t tried was because, even in those days, money could buy you out of anything, if you had it. And the Bush dynasty had it. And to think American heroes died protecting the scumbag.
Actually, Obama found some manhood somewhere and did respond:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24647048/
Asked when he came to that conclusion, he said, “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”
The problem is that Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. envoy in Iraq at the time, was killed Aug. 19, 2003. Bush, according to news reports, was still playing two days later, when he teed off at the Crosswater Golf Course in Sunriver, Ore., during a two-day visit to the Pacific Northwest.
He also played Sept. 28 with friends at Andrews Air Force Base course and again there on Oct. 13, in honor of Columbus Day. It appears that he didn’t golf after that — at least judging from a review of media coverage since then.
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Chuckle…. Golfgate.
Bush “lied” because he may played golf two times after he remembered quitting the game FIVE YEARS AGO.
I hope the liberals “drive” that point home. They need the “balls” to take this travesty to the mat. There is no need to try to “iron” out the facts. Liberal media need to get their “slice” of fame for being able to “hook” the big “birdie”. But watch out, Bush could try to “spin” the story. Could this be the big “wedge” issue the liberals have been looking for? Stay tuned…
Liberals and their priorities. Par for the course.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink
I wonder why the WE doesn’t contact some of the gold star families in Kansas and ask them how much comfort it provides them that bush lied about even giving up golf.
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That’s simple: The bushettes would never believe bush lied, even when confronted with the evidence. That would mean they realize bush has been lying about pretty much everything, and they would have to confront their own stupidity for believing in him in the first place:-)
Bush could have been addressing any leader or government in the world that has chosen appeasement of terrorists.
I think Senator Obama is giving himself too much credit that the speech was just about him. There are other nations and their leaders that needed to be addressed on the subject.
If anyone is playing politics, it was Obama thinking he was the subject of the speech.
I find the paranoia in the Obama camp unsettling.
Yep. And the WE did endorse bush, just like “mr influence” tiahrt.
How are all those conservative, republican endorsements working out for Kansas?
(crickets chirping)
I aint going anywhere Jimmymac.
What are you after? A blog where it is just you and your many nics? I can get that for ya son.
Just get in the closet and talk to yourself.
That outta the way.
Ya know those resolutions Congress passes? Like the Shiavo thing and all? They carry no weight but they just want the thing on record?
I’d like to see a Congressional Resolution agreeing that bush is the worst President in history. It would be a nice little going away gift for him.
Now, what do I get James?
To illustrate my point, I give you outlander:
“Chuckle…. Golfgate.
Bush “lied” because he may played golf two times after he remembered quitting the game FIVE YEARS AGO.
I hope the liberals “drive” that point home. They need the “balls” to take this travesty to the mat. There is no need to try to “iron” out the facts. Liberal media need to get their “slice” of fame for being able to “hook” the big “birdie”. But watch out, Bush could try to “spin” the story. Could this be the big “wedge” issue the liberals have been looking for? Stay tuned…
Liberals and their priorities. Par for the course.”
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There was a reason bush claimed to have given up golf, and the death of a great man was that reason. He lied to the American people about it, and that obviously means nothing to the bushettes, as I stated earlier.
Conservatives and their priorities: double bogey.
BlueJay
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink
I aint going anywhere Jimmymac.
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Thanks for that spelling of “Jimmymac” BlueJay. Been trying to figure out who was it that spells it that way. So far, you are the only one, except for LR2.
Another fine example of of the bait and switch mentality of the bushettes:
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Regular
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink
Bush could have been addressing any leader or government in the world that has chosen appeasement of terrorists.
I think Senator Obama is giving himself too much credit that the speech was just about him. There are other nations and their leaders that needed to be addressed on the subject.
If anyone is playing politics, it was Obama thinking he was the subject of the speech.
I find the paranoia in the Obama camp unsettling.
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The Neocon mantra:
“bush never lied; bush never lied; bush never lied!
Uhhh, reg, it was about Obama. The paranoia is the Neocons willing to do and say anything to beat the Democrats, including lying about who the speech was about.
Personally, I find the conservatives willingness to believe the lies bush spreads unsettling.
Has Dubya finally learned the names of foreign leaders?
As for Grandpa Bush’s coziness with the Nazis, just take a look at Daddy Bush and Dubya’s coziness with the Saudis, where 15 of the 19 alleged 9/11 perps were from. See any parallels? Or is it all a coincidence?
And even if he had NOT lied about it?
It’s still pretty freakin’ lame and a sign of how out of touch with the real world bubble boy really is.
I mean really. Giving up GOLF?
Woof. I guess if you are a scion of a wealthy and powerful family, giving up the links is a REAL sacrifice.
Like the people who give up candy for lent while so many folks in the world are starving….
How do you know JMWalker? Was a party affiliation used? Was anyone’s named used? Was the name of a country even used in reference to being appeasers?
The answer is “no” to all of the above.
Once again, the paranoia from the Obama camp is self-induced and their pain is self-inflicted.
“See any parallels? Or is it all a coincidence?”
Naaaawwwwwww Pre. It’s clearly a vast left wing conspiracy.
Maybe he is REALLY afraid of the appeaser tag?
It’s my fear about him too.
Not about appeasing dictators or terrorists, but appeasing republicans.
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Regular
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink
How do you know JMWalker? Was a party affiliation used? Was anyone’s named used? Was the name of a country even used in reference to being appeasers?
The answer is “no” to all of the above.
Once again, the paranoia from the Obama camp is self-induced and their pain is self-inflicted.
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Yep, reg, your right (wink, wink) as usual. There were no names used, other than hitler, so it really couldn’t have been about Obama (wink, wink).
Damn, you’re going to stay the course all the way, aintcha? Got to give it to you: ordinary people would have folded when confronted with so much evidence of bush’s lies, but you stay the course. Must be either loyalty or stupidity. Personally, I think the latter.
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
by Frances Rice
It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist “Dixiecrats” did not all migrate to the Republican Party. “Dixiecrats” declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those “Dixiecrats” continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
Today, Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Examples of how egregiously Democrats act to keep blacks in poverty are numerous
Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.
In order to break the Democrats’ stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party’s economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:31 am
Yep, reg, your right (wink, wink) as usual. There were no names used, other than hitler, so it really couldn’t have been about Obama (wink, wink).
Damn, you’re going to stay the course all the way, aintcha? Got to give it to you: ordinary people would have folded when confronted with so much evidence of bush’s lies, but you stay the course. Must be either loyalty or stupidity. Personally, I think the latter.
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So JMWalker, you’re saying that any reference to Hitler must be about Obama?
How paranoid is that?
Ummm, yeah. Because republicans are so well known for their support of equal civil rights for all.
Except of course, some animals are more equal than others.
More fun with Chas. Not only does he know the Chaplains in DC, but, yup, he’s a SPY!! He has CONNECTIONS!!! Check this out, but swallow your coffee first; otherwise it’ll be all over the screen:
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Chas
Posted May 16, 2008 at 1:32 am | Permalink
Max, according to my sources, you are a person of interest to the DHS folks —
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Yup. Our Chas. The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Who knew?
How paranoid is it for someone to think that someone else visiting his adult sister is a threat?
Methinks someone has some issues.
KansasNative
Posted May 16, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
How paranoid is it for someone to think that someone else visiting his adult sister is a threat?
Methinks someone has some issues.
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Because JR (aka Bluejay) have been warned to stay away from my sister and her property. My sister has stated she wants nothing to do with this blog or anyone on it.
I view any contact with her from JR as harassment and stalking.
You “boys” and your obsession with Chas are getting really old. I expect that of some of the juveniles here, but not you GMC. I expect better of you.
No matter how much Chas begs for it.
What’s up with that?
Yer like little boys pulling the wings off the flies.
JMWalker: Your story about the Bush granddaddy is not well know, but is well documented. Another area of questionable conduct was the reimbursment of German businesses in which these ubercapitalists had an interest. They wanted, and got, compensation for damage the 8th Air Force inflicted on German war making capabilites which were in part, or wholly owned by them.
Dang I wondered why I stopped finding panties on my lawn.
GMC is stalking Chas now instead of me. And Chas is n’t even on this thread.
Hoo boy get ready Chas. You’ll start finding old legal briefs, dead birds, and empty jars of mayonaise around your place. It just means GMC has a thing for ya.
If your lucky, it’ll just be a summer thing.
“No matter how much Chas begs for it.”
Chas, even KFG recognizes the obvious.
And yes, KFG, you’re right. It is silly, and juvenile, and pointless. And one of these days soon I’m sure I’ll let it go. I would point out, however, as JR did once, that it was the likes of you and JR who taught how the game was played here. Part of me thinks some on here simply don’t like their own tactics used the other way. Too bad. What’s good for the goose . . . and all that.
Chad really doesn’t need me to look stupid. He manages well on that all by himself.
And KFG, I do (and I’m sincere here) appreciate the “I expect better of you.” And you’re right; I’ll let it go.
At least until Chas’ next obvious attempt to say he didn’t say what he clearly said.
THE BEST reponse to the Nazi comment…right here. Finally Chris Matthews grew a pair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-9FEY9zc7M
KFG, my cousin thinks the Cali SC ruling yesterday was a way to motivate the anti gay base into getting out and voting- by p’ing them off right before the election. If they’re at the polls to vote, they will vote republican for the presidential election. Do you think that’s what the SC did? I can’t understand why Republicans would rule for it…but that does make sense.
Well Pmom, I’m not sure the court ruled that way just to make the republicans happy. They ruled that way because it was justified. Read the opinion.
However, yes, you can bet your sweet ass this will bring the con repubs out in droves, and once again, while the economy sucks and the war is a complete failure…
…good americans will worry more about gay marriage.
The court rules the way it rules. Whether or not the repukes use that ruling to energize their base and rape the constitution… AGAIN… is up to the repukes.
I cant WAIT for hagee and parsley and such to get on their homophobic bandwagon.
We’ll see what “issues” are REALLY important to republicans.
And if the repukes do use this ruling to energize their wingnut base?
Obama will pander to them. He’s got all the credentials to say “hey, I’m on YOUR side with gay marriage”. And he will. He’s demonstrated his willingness to throw the gay community under the bus to pander to evangelicals.
I bet he out panders the republicans.
Having mcclurkin and kirbyjon caldwell raise money for him puts him in good company with the repukes.
GMC, how very mature of you to say JR and I started all this. JR and I are friends, but we hardly agree on every issue.
“Waaaa mommy, waaaaaa they started it. They do it too.”
Do you all just learn that in republican school?
BILL CLINTON! BILL CLINTON!
Nice try to shift the blame and try to paint JR and I as being the same.
But on the bright side Pmom, this is a GRAND opportunity for obama to put his pretty words about gays into action, no?
hehehehhehehehe. When pigs fly.
So JMWalker, you’re saying that any reference to Hitler must be about Obama?
How paranoid is that?
posted by that stalwart bushette, regular.
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again, making things up, are we?
Your conclusion reflects the typical republican other mantra: Obfuscate, obfuscate . . . if done enough times, somebody might believe us.
Trouble is, you all have used that so many times, you couldn’t tell the truth from fiction anymore. So you make up your own fiction. No paranoia need there; just plain stupidity on your side.
OMG, I just had a scary thought. What if obama loses and then blames it on the gay marriage issue for energizing the single minded republicans?
I mean, after he blames Hillary?
NOTHING good is going to come to gay folks by having obama on the ticket.
Bush the deceider apparently gets to decide who gets peaceful nuclear energy. Ther RW was saying why does an oil rich country like Iran need nuclear energr, will they be saying Why does Saudi Arabia need nuclear energy?
As Bush flew into Riyadh, the White House said the United States, the world’s largest energy consumer, had agreed to help protect the resources of the world’s top oil exporter and help it in developing peaceful nuclear energy.
The announcement came as Bush ended a three-day trip to Israel where he vowed to oppose Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
RESISTANCE TO OIL PLEAS
While Bush was likely to find common ground on Iran with Abdullah, the Saudi monarch has shown little sign of budging in his resistance to Bush’s calls to get OPEC to pump more oil into world markets.
Since Bush’s last visit, oil prices have jumped nearly $30 to around $126 a barrel,
Yo, reg, here’s your Francis Rice for you:
False groundswell — letter writing and plagiarism
Back in February of this year, we caught Frances Rice, one of the state’s leading Republican organizers, plagiarizing Washington Post columnist Colbert King; when cornered, she accused Venice Florida! dot com of racism.
http://www.veniceflorida.com/features/falsegroundswell.htm
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Francis Rice looks like another Neocon who uses the Neocon mantra to spread lies and discontent. Hell, even does it plagiarizing. What more could one want in a Neocon?
Yep, sure going to believe that girl . . . NOT!!!
Another comment on my above post, oil jumped 30 since his last visit, how much will it jump this time? Maybe he’d do less harm if he stayed home.
PMom,
Chris Matthews was try to muddy the waters and the reference to Neville Chamberlain and his dealings with Hitler was characterized by Winston Churchhill as “The general policy of appeasement.”
Here’s an example of Chamberlain’s appeasement policy:
Chamberlain stood by without objection, while Adolph Hitler illegally annexed Austria and Czechslovokia.
Here’s what Chamberlain’s response was:
How horrible, fantastic it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. I am myself a man of peace from the depths of my soul.
Chamberlain when smacked in the face with obvious signs of naked agression by Hitler chose to be an appeaser. Shortly after Chamberlain’s speech, Hitler attacked and invaded Czechslovokia and then of course, the Blitzkried (lightning war) on Poland.
A long time personal friend of Chamberlain and a Lord in the House of Commons, Leo Amery, delivered this speech to Chamberlain.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Even after that stinging rebuke, Chamberlain still sat on his hands. In the meantime, Germany invaded the Netherlands, Belgium and France.
Finally, after admitting to his failure on the policy of appeasement, on the evening of 10 May 1940, Chamberlain tendered his resignation to the King and formally recommended Sir Winston Churchill as his successor.
What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.
If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.
Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
Since the Repub. party wouldn’t let a reporter in to the Rove “fund raiser”, one has to wonder if perhaps it wasn’t more of a strategy planning meeting.
oops, spelled blitzkrieg wrong and the source is wikipedia, among other places…
Wonder how the Jews liked the comparison of Bin Laden with Hitler, I thought they were sensitive to those kind of exagerations. I didn’t notice any applauding when he made the ignorant statement.
What President stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You can use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
should read
What President Bush stated in his speech was a lesson that history has taught us. You cannot use a policy of appeasement when it comes to “war-lording” tyrants.
grade of F today in proofreading.
Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
Yeah, and those that can’t spell history (Bush) are doomed to make their own!
Let’s see Hitler led millions, Obama loosely leads a few thousand rag tag fanatics, yea great comparison.
Actually, that was my second thought yesterday, KSFarmGrrl.
My first thought was good for the Cal Supreme Court for finally giving everybody the right to get married under the law (the law, which shouldn’t be based on anybody’s religion).
My second thought was what perfect timing for the national election. Why does this only rise to national prominence–like a flag burning amendment–every four years coinciding with a presidential election?
Coincidence? I think not.
Anyway, most Americans favor gay marriage now. The CONs can only flog that near-dead horse for so long. Americans are growing more inclusive despite them.
Or maybe to spite them . . .
Does Bush think he is Winston Churchill?
Delusional WPE
Bush may have had a twinge of conscience having disregarded the terrorist warning while making his great golf swing!
These tyrants can be given no quarter, no second opportunities nor should they be appeased in any way.
If the truth stung the Obama camp, then so be it, they should be stung.
Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
posted by reg.
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You obviously don’t know the difference between appeasement and diplomacy. There can be no end to the war on terror without diplomacy, unless, as the republicans seem to suggest, we just go out and kill em all, and damn the innocents caught in the middle.
I don’t see Obama as a blamer.
If he loses, he’ll take responsibility for it.
But he won’t lose.
If he can beat The Clintons’ in the primary, and he has, soundly, then he can beat McSame in the fall.
Winston Churchill addressing a speech at Westminster College. (A relative of mine was there)
Winston Churchill
“The Sinews of Peace”
A speech by Winston Churchill at Westminster College.
And related to the topic of appeasement. Sir Winston Churchill was an inspirational leader.
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President McCluer, ladies and gentlemen, and last, but certainly not least, the President of the United States of America:
I am very glad indeed to come to Westminster College this afternoon, and I am complimented that you should give me a degree from an institution whose reputation has been so solidly established. The name “Westminster” somehow or other seems familiar to me. I feel as if I have heard of it before. Indeed now that I come to think of it, it was at Westminster that I received a very large part of my education in politics, dialectic, rhetoric, and one or two other things. In fact we have both been educated at the same, or similar, or, at any rate, kindred establishments.
It is also an honor, ladies and gentlemen, perhaps almost unique, for a private visitor to be introduced to an academic audience by the President of the United States. Amid his heavy burdens, duties, and responsibilities, unsought but not recoiled from, the President has traveled a thousand miles to dignify and magnify our meeting here to-day and to give me an opportunity of addressing this kindred nation, as well as my own countrymen across the ocean, and perhaps some other countries too. The President has told you that it is his wish, as I am sure it is yours, that I should have full liberty to give my true and faithful counsel in these anxious and baffling times. I shall certainly avail myself of this freedom, and feel the more right to do so because any private ambitions I may have cherished in my younger days have been satisfied beyond my wildest dreams. Let me however make it clear that I have no official mission or status of any kind, and that I speak only for myself. There is nothing here but what you see.
I can therefore allow my mind, with the experience of a lifetime, to play over the problems which beset us on the morrow of our absolute victory in arms, and to try to make sure with what strength I have that what has gained with so much sacrifice and suffering shall be preserved for the future glory and safety of mankind.
Ladies and gentlemen, the United States stands at this time at the pinnacle of world power. It is a solemn moment for the American Democracy. For with primacy in power is also joined an awe-inspiring accountability to the future. If you look around you, you must feel not only the sense of duty done but also you must feel anxiety lest you fall below the level of achievement. Opportunity is here and now, clear and shining for both our countries. To reject it or ignore it or fritter it away will bring upon us all the long reproaches of the after-time. It is necessary that the constancy of mind, persistency of purpose, and the grand simplicity of decision shall rule and guide the conduct of the English-speaking peoples in peace as they did in war. We must, and I believe we shall, prove ourselves equal to this severe requirement.
President McCluer, when American military men approach some serious situation they are wont to write at the head of their directive the words “over-all strategic concept”. There is wisdom in this, as it leads to clarity of thought. What then is the over-all strategic concept which we should inscribe to-day? It is nothing less than the safety and welfare, the freedom and progress, of all the homes and families of all the men and women in all the lands. And here I speak particularly of the myriad cottage or apartment homes where the wage-earner strives amid the accidents and difficulties of life to guard his wife and children from privation and bring the family up the fear of the Lord, or upon ethical conceptions which often play their potent part.
. . . and let’s look at bush’s giving up golf because of the war:
Is that not insulting to the troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan, or what? Giving up golf? Oh, ya, and I’m sure that had nothing to do with the fact he had to give up running at the same time because of the leg problem he had. He would never lie about that. Just ask any bushette.
The man is so out of touch with reality, one wonders if he is capable of performing his duties as president. Maybe he could give some visiting female dignitary a neck massage. Should turn her on, what (wink, wink)?
“President McCluer, when American military men approach some serious situation they are wont to write at the head of their directive the words “over-all strategic concept”. There is wisdom in this, as it leads to clarity of thought. What then is the over-all strategic concept which we should inscribe to-day? It is nothing less than the safety and welfare, the freedom and progress, of all the homes and families of all the men and women in all the lands. And here I speak particularly of the myriad cottage or apartment homes where the wage-earner strives amid the accidents and difficulties of life to guard his wife and children from privation and bring the family up the fear of the Lord, or upon ethical conceptions which often play their potent part.”
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Anybody else see the hypocrisy of that paragraph? The phrase, “over-all strategic concept”, is totally anathema to this president’s way of thinking. As proof, I offer the Iraq war.
One of the first thing a submariner is taught is to count the number of dives, and the number of surfacings; divide by two. If it’s not an even number, don’t open the hatch. I’m afraid bush can’t count that high ;-0
Actually GMC, I AM a person of interest to the Feds.
Looking at my paycheck today, they seemed very interested. In fact, they took out Federal Taxes, FICA, and Medicare.
Got gas this morning, and the Feds took 18 cents a gallon from me.
Paid the phone bill yesterday, and it had FCC charges and so many taxes I don’t even know what they all are!
Say GMC, who won the contest yesterday?
A little snippet on the bushonomy.
Consumers’ mood grim in May: survey 41 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Consumer confidence tumbled to its lowest in 28 years this month, a survey showed on Friday, as short-term inflation expectations hit their highest since the stagflationary early 1980s.
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Anybody else see the hypocrisy of that paragraph? The phrase, “over-all strategic concept”, is totally anathema to this president’s way of thinking. As proof, I offer the Iraq war.
One of the first thing a submariner is taught is to count the number of dives, and the number of surfacings; divide by two. If it’s not an even number, don’t open the hatch. I’m afraid bush can’t count that high ;-0
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A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
A person sent me an email with this link:
http://www.bercasio.com/mov ies/de ms-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
I found it interesting - What do you all think.
Then I saw this link from JMWalkem:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24632990/
Which one is correct?
The point about Golf, his playing golf or not is not important but to instead of answering the question with a medical reason made him stop. He pinned a noble cause to it and in doing so insulted the memory and sacrifice of the soldiers whom die and their families. Plan enough, but then to be shown he was lying about it is even more an insult. There are times where to lie is needed, but to lie when the need is not there is a mental issue. How much of an honoring of Regular’s service would it be if I said I am giving up drinking to honor him. When I in fact gave it up over twelve years ago, before I know he existed? And what would be the point of me bring it up when the question is why did you stop drinking?
The Republicans in Congress did yesterday something I have been talking about and how the claim by the Democrats is a straw man. The Republicans simply did not vote for the funding request, now they know as well as the Democrats that without this bill Iraq will not come to a halt. There is enough money already in the bank to fund anything that will be needed till the funding bill does pass. The Republicans simply did what the Democrats could have been doing all along instead of claiming that they do not have the 60 vote majority need to pass the bill. Since it takes a majority to pass a bill it stands to reason that it would also take a majority to fail one too. Do not get me wrong, I am not for a total withdraw or de-funding of Iraq we need to “win”. But for too long the Congress has been failing at its job, war profiteering has been a problem in every war. But it has never been so blatant and open as it has been in Iraq. Of all the problem with Iraq this is one easily solved and the winners are the soldiers followed by the taxpayers.
Stop the emergency funding and when such a request is made send it back to the president’s desk stating that it has to be in the form of a regular spending bill with oversight and control of where and to whom the money goes. There can be a emergency set-a-side for the unforeseen but the daily operation and construction should be with oversight.
We’re finally seeing some photos of Jenna Bush’s wedding.
And I have one question. Has that gawd-awful granite cross been in the Crawford Ranch’s back yard all along?! I swear, it looks like they got married in a grave yard.
And if they ordered it specifically for Jenna’s wedding, that’s one thing. They simply didn’t know it’d be that clunky and kitschy until it arrived and were stuck with it.
But if it’s been adorning the Bush back yard ever since the Crawford “ranch” was conjured up by Karl Rove leading up to Shrub’s political campaigns… golly!
Do you know anyone who has anything like a huge granite crucifix out back next to the patio? What kind of person would do something like that?!
Forget for a moment that Shrub is an absolute screw-up as President of the United States. Forget that he got elected because he was a reformed alcoholic people wanted to have a beer with. We’re talking about your next-door neighbor here. If your next-door neighbor had an eight-foot-tall granite cross in the back yard, wouldn’t you think that a tad…odd?
Makes me want to see photos of the other lawn ornaments in Laura Bush’s yard. I’m bettin’ on plastic flamingos.
Watsa matter Monkey? Didn’t get enough attention the first time you posted that about the cross in President Bush’s property?
Another basher of the Christian faith, MonkeyHawk.
Monkeyhawk is a bigot with extreme prejudice of anyone who believes in Christ.
Off subject - What happened to Vaughn T?
Reg- not more Troll spew!
Monkeybreath sure is fasinated with the Bush family.
I mean, who really gives a rats butt about the wedding or the lawn ornaments?
Secret Bush admirer?
“We’re finally seeing some photos”
Wording reflects Monkey’s longing for fulfillment.
He probably fired up some popcorn and had a cold beer to wash it down as he drueled over the images.
Sick in his fanatical fantasy.
Woo Hoo!
The Billionaires for Bush have struck in Wichita.
Too bad Rove, Inc. didn’t let The Eagle reporter in. The only thing he had left to cover was the protest outside.
Good thinking, RepubliCONs . . .
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/story/405735.html
Protest over Rove speech is a bit formal
BY DION LEFLER
The Wichita Eagle
A Wichita appearance by former White House political aide Karl Rove touched off a little street theater Thursday, with protesters masquerading as millionaires lampooning the man known as “the Architect” of President Bush’s electoral victories.
Rove spoke to about 125 Republican activists and supporters who paid $50 a plate — $150 to have their picture taken with Rove — at a party fundraiser at the 20th Century Center on North Broadway.
The speech was closed to the news media.
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Outside Rove’s speech, about a half-dozen demonstrators showed up in tuxedos, yachting apparel and evening gowns with million-dollar play-money bills poking out of their pockets.
With sparkling cider in champagne glasses, they “toasted” Rove’s appearance and waved signs bearing slogans such as: “Widen the wealth inequality gap.”
A few people stopped by to join the costumed demonstrators and expressed their own disdain over Rove’s role in building the case for the invasion of Iraq.
“I think this war has gone too far,” said Christina Blanchard. “Too many of our loved ones are dying over there.”
Harry Furst stood with the demonstrators in a cap from the amphibious assault ship USS Guam, on which he served in the 1970s.
He said he was angered that the military was diverted to Iraq instead of tracking down Osama Bin Laden after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
“I’m a veteran and I think I speak for a lot of veterans,” he said. “I won’t say most of them, because that’s what Rove and his cronies do. They never wore the uniform, but they sent good men and women into harm’s way.”
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Dressing up like millionaires to toast the Bush administration and what it stands for . . . genius, pure genius.
“most Americans favor gay marriage now”
Interesting comment. I wonder if there is any documentation to support it? Probably just another worthless poll at best.
The real poll was made at the elections in over half the states, where voters approved by a large margin - that marriage is restricted to the union of a man and a woman.
Now maybe Capn spin is referring to a question regarding “civil unions”. He may find something to support that.
“that bush lied about even giving up golf.”
Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.
Talk about making a big tado about nothing.
Next up: “Impeach Bush for Golfing!”
Funny in a nausiating sort of way.
Hey Monkey! I heard the poperratzee is a gonna be using a helliacopter to photo the newlyweds on thar honeymoon. Betcha cain’t wait, er boy?
Try not to get too excited now. Be patient.
“Say GMC, who won the contest yesterday?”
Dr Max, I missed your silly contest. Had I been invited, I’m sure I’d have submitted the winner.
Who was yer judge? Normally when you have a contest, you have some lead time and provide a final submission date which is out fer enough fer
everyone to participate.
Another unfair CON election?
Good morning Farm Girl!
I can understand your digust with the Chas., did-or-didn’t-is-or-aint crap.
I think it goes to the core of a lot of the problems we have in America today.
Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.
Nathan is a member of the ‘religous right’. Therefore, he has no credibility or honor with the lefties.
Unfortunately the opposite of both previous statements is true. As a Christian, I believe in a core of beliefs of Christian Doctrine. There are certain things that I believe anyone that professes to be a Christian should be able to agree on.
Unfortunately, I believe that much of the Doctrine I believe in is considered dogma by others. We can have discussions about dogma but any Christian will (and should) defend Doctrine.
That being said, I think the Chas, Nathan, GMC, Hank, etc., discussions are merely the surface of a much deeper rift.
Unfortunately, I believe Steven has been a casualty of these childish arguments. I truly believe he was trying to find some mid point between Nathan and Chas. I think he fell into the gap between their individual beliefs.
Regular: Hitler got Austria by reason of a referendum (Anchluss)to join with Germany and the Czech matter (who were heavily German speaking being, a new country created by the Treaty of Versailles) was agreed to by a conference involving Italy and France as well. There were no invasions at all. Hitler’s demands were deemed reasonable in that it seemed he was only trying to gather the German speaking peoples into One Reich, as they were prior to the Treaty of Versailles. Much of the upper class in the UK and Europe agreed with his aims and objects. The Danzig Corridor in Poland (another country created by the Treaty, taking away German lands) became a flash point in the East. The Poles were no saints and had tried to annex more areas of East Prussia and parts of the Ukraine from a prostrate Germany and Russia, after being given nation status in 1921. There is more to it than a matter of appeasement. The UK knew what was coming and Chamberalin bought time to build up the RAF and the Royal Navy, brought Churchill then in opposition, into the Cabinet as First Sea Lord. The RAF was able to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain 1940-41 and the Navy was prepared for the outbreak of hostilities because of his actions. The famous saying about “going” was by reason of an intra-Conservative strife, not uncommon, and first used by Cromwell against the Long Parliament circa 1650. It wasn’t original. Another intersting fact is that the British Empire had warned the UK that if they went to war against Germany for some interest in Eastern Europe, they would have no Commonwealth support. The UK invaded Norway to curtail vital Nazi war materials(a disaster)carried out many raids along the European Coast and commenced war in the air by RAF fighter command and bomber command right after the “sitzkreing” ended when Germany invaded the Lowlands and France. He did not sit on his hands. Nonetheless Chamberalin was a poor choice by reason of health and inclinations to lead the UK in war but Churchill was, happily in the right place at the right time, to be appointed PM by the King.
“blogmonitor” –
You misspelled potrzebie.
A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
posted by reg hisself!!
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I knew there was a funny bone hiding somewhere in that bushbot body. Of course, humor means different things to different people, and some could never get the joke, be they hatch open, or hatch closed:-)
“Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.”
Hank, that’s just a blatent lie.
Many of us “lefties” have also commented to Chas that he should just ignore things, and I posted this morning that he asks for it. And I laughed my ass off and said so the other day about you handing him his ass. Again.
I dont think any of us give a rat’s patootie about the “substance” (big eye roll) of the arguments. There isnt any.
It’s just boys pulling the wings off of flies.
And it is annoying, just like clark vs nathan, regular vs everyone, and the constant whining about JR.
And I believe some “lefties” here have commented on that as well.
So.. to say that this is a left or right issue is just nuts.
We all take shots, and pride ourselves on rhetoric. But this is doing NOTHING to bring anyone to Christ, which I suppose should be the goal of any christian.
It just shows how mean some humans can be.
But you dont have to tell me or show me about mean humans here on the blog. Seventy percent of kansans fall into that category and I’m reminded of that daily.
And BTW….
If you read about the California decision to legalize gay MARRIAGE, it singled out the “separate but equal” part of civil unions vs. marriage.
Essentially the decision declared civil unions for gays to be separate but unequal.
Something some of us have been saying for a looooong time.
I hardly think this decision was made to pander to republicans, even though they WILL use it in the election.
The only question is, will mean and stupid voters fall for this bright and shiny distraction.
Again.
You know what Hank, behind the scenes I have talked to Chas about him letting the Cons get the better of him. But you know as well as I do that they pester him just to get him riled up.
And what you do about his Christianity is downright wrong, so yeah I’ll side with Chas.
You side with such vileness beliefs that I can’t even imagine how hateful you must feel without a filter.
And I’ve remarked many times about the switching of ID’s within my own side.
Regular, if you’re going to post something you should always state your source.
I noted that today, Wikipedia’s entries about Chamberlain and the Treaty of Munich have both been revised TODAY to mimic the republican talking points. Now isn’t that convenient.
Political_mama
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink
Regular, if you’re going to post something you should always state your source.
I noted that today, Wikipedia’s entries about Chamberlain and the Treaty of Munich have both been revised TODAY to mimic the republican talking points. Now isn’t that convenient.
Regular
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Do you ever tire of being wrong PMom?
Posted May 16, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
oops, spelled blitzkrieg wrong and the source is wikipedia, among other places…
JMWalker
Posted May 16, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
A submariner’s first duty is to his country, the Navy and the ship. His personal survival, while important and vital to the mission is weighed against the consideration of the will to survive and the balance of the lives of millions which are at stake.
The glorification of selfishness by the Libs such as JMWalker substantiate the failure of short-sighted appeasement policies.
posted by reg hisself!!
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I knew there was a funny bone hiding somewhere in that bushbot body. Of course, humor means different things to different people, and some could never get the joke, be they hatch open, or hatch closed:-)
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Well Hank told me there are screen doors on submarines, so I have to defer to the expert on that matter.
However, the wisdom of having porous openings on a vessel that spends the majority of its time underwater escapes me.
“So.. to say that this is a left or right issue is just nuts.”
You may be right, but look at how the lefties and the righties fall on the issue.
“But this is doing NOTHING to bring anyone to Christ, which I suppose should be the goal of any christian.”
On this point you are 100% correct. That’s why I seldom start discussions on religion here. I’m pretty persuasive at lunch!
Good Morning P-Mom!
Well, I’ve talked to the boy about picking on Chas. also. But, then again, I couldn’t talk him out of the Marines either!
“And I’ve remarked many times about the switching of ID’s within my own side.”
Ditto Pmom. Nic switching is just low class, no matter who does it. And it happens on both sides.
But I think it is funny, that after a while, you can tell who it is, by spelling or phrasing or topic or position.
The only ones the nic switchers are fooling are themselves.
Another funny thing? I guess I CLOCKED one of my liberal buddies the other day who was posting under another nic. Had I known it was him, I would have held my fire. Instead, I clocked him and it pissed him off.
But if you nic switch to say STEW-PUD things or to be argumentitive, you get what you deserve.
Submarines have screen doors for the same reasons houses do. Flies!
“HLP” dances with the scarecrow with –
“Chas., is a ‘liberal Christian’, a member of the religious left. As such he can do no wrong in the eyes of the lefties here.
“Nathan is a member of the ‘religous [sic] right’. Therefore, he has no credibility or honor with the lefties.”
Sorry, “HLP,” but “Nathaniel” is a narcissistic prig who got a burr under his saddle months ago because he was horrified by “Chas’” regular nighty-night sign-off about God (whatever you deem him to be) blessing you.
This was a while back, maybe around the time “Nathan” was threatening to kill people who might shoot his dog. Hardly a night’s gone by since on WE Blog that “Nathan” or “Nathaniel” hasn’t gone on the attack against “Chas” by accusing “Chas” of not being “Christian.” With all the subtlety and class one might associate with the Spanish Inquisition. It’s prototype trolling. And it’s often a sign of other mental problems.
I’ve gotten into some issue-related dust-ups with “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” from time to time. And I’ve come to realize he’s got some issues not altogether unexpected of at least 20% of Iraq War veterans. Paranoia, persecution complex, macho posturing, dead-end job, religious ideation, a martyr’s mindset, a warrior for the “One TRUE God,”… You can look ‘em up.
I think you’re mistaken with a lot of your opinions, “HLP,” but I don’t think you’re mentally ill. Wish I could say as much about your kid.
I think “Chas” over-reacts more than he should. He’s been insulted and attack about his faith, his life’s calling, nearly every day for months on end. We’ve all been lured in by internet trolls and it’s nothing to be proud of. But provocation is a bitch to ignore.
And, from those long-ago days when “Nathan” became outraged over “Chas’” innocuous little good-night blessing, the sore has festered. But make no mistake. “Nathan” (later “Nathaniel”) is regularly the provocateur.
Well Hank told me there are screen doors on submarines, so I have to defer to the expert on that matter.
However, the wisdom of having porous openings on a vessel that spends the majority of its time underwater escapes me.
posted by reg hisself, again!
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I think Hank would agree that if you can’t divide by two, you have no business on a sub:-)
I’m bettin’ Hank got the joke. Mornin’ Hank
How they fall on WHAT issue, Hank?
The issue of whether or not Chas is a christian?
Seems like the left here seem to think if he says he is, he is. That’s consistent with what we’ve been saying about phelps, et al.
If the issue is pulling the wings off of flies,uh, yeah, it seems the libs fall on the side of compassion. The right? Not so much.
Having said that, I’ve made fun of regular in the past for his pathetic state. I’m sorry I did that. He clearly has a soft spot in his heart for some things. And I’ve seen where he’s actually been wounded too.
And I feel sorry for JR every time you all piss on him for how he’s raising his kid and for his economic state. I wish he didnt feel the way he does about some things, but making fun of him isnt helping anyone.
Steven not only tried to bridge a gap between nathan and chas, but between reg and others too. And reg dumped on him. Of course we dont know what went on in their lunch, but Steven has tried, in good faith, to make this blog a better place.
And he was run off for it.
I’m not sure I can define the line, because it isnt a bright line. But at some point, it is possible to cross that “line” from being funny and sharp to being just plain mean.
Like Stevens said about porn, I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it. You all questioning Chas ministry and his faith may have started out being funny, but now it is just mean. Flies and wings and all.
“and you will know them by their love”
Monkey, you may be right about all that, but sadly, he was like that BEFORE he went on his last tour. Whatever his problems are, I dont think you can blame the war.
blogmonitor
Posted May 16, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
“that bush lied about even giving up golf.”
Most probably don’t give a crap about such trivial nonsense. Only those infatuated with every word which Bush says would care to focus on this silliness.
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There’s a word that goes to the heart of the matter, blogmo, and that word is credibility. Bush has none, as proven by the Iraq war. This golf thing is just another example, and they keep piling up. And that spells a decided lack of character and credibility.
Obama’s only hope of winning is making this an election about bush. In that case, a yellow DOG could win.
Bush just helped him out a bunch, and he will continue to do so every time he opens his stupid mouth on a campaign issue.
If he really wanted mcsame to win, he’d keep as low a profile as possible, and just slither on out of office.
But if he insists on making himself and his “policies” an issue….
Say hello to president obama!
Hee hee heeeeeeeeeee!
And WHO will tell the boy king to sit down and STFU?
And you KNOW what I mean by STFU!
Political_mama while you started out with a fair statement you quickly fell back into the left is right and right is wrong argument.
Chas lies. Plain and simple. I don’t have an ax to grind with him only post here ocassionally but can see that he makes statements with no attachment to truth. If he is a friend of yours and you talk to him off the board then you should point this out to him. That is all most posters are saying to him.
I like to have genuine arguments about valid points and petty arguments aren’t fun for observers which I am.
Both side should ratchet it down. No more death threats, no more remarks about family members, no personal attacks on the right or left. That said I retire now to get some sleep. I work a night shift and day sleeping is hard for me.
Ksfrmgrl I believe the reason Obama is so upset is because Hillary ate his lunch on this subject in one of their first debates when he said he would talk to anyone. Wish I had a link. Sure it is out there just don’t have time to find it. Good nite.
“ksfarmgrrl” offers –
“Monkey, you may be right about all that, but sadly, he was like that BEFORE he went on his last tour. Whatever his problems are, I dont think you can blame the war.”
I bow to your observations. I guess I wasn’t around here much before he went to the war zone.
But there are traits revealed by “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” posts to this forum that make me genuinely concerned about his mental health.
This is in no way an “attack,” anymore than if “HLP” said, “Look at my kid’s freckles,” and I’d be compelled to observe, “Uhm, no. Those are measles.”
“Nathan” and “Nathaniel’s” revelations on this forum keep giving clues of a ticking time bomb.
And while I think “Chas” has spent way too much time flopping in the back of the boat after getting trolled by “Nathan/Nathaniel,” I can understand his frustration. Compassionate Christian that he is, “Chas” keeps — as a matter of faith — hoping and expecting sane behavior from an insane mind.
And that in itself is another form of insanity.
kfg,
What is wrong with pulling wings off flies?
“But there are traits revealed by “Nathan” and “Nathaniel” posts to this forum that make me genuinely concerned about his mental health.”
On that, we do not disagree.
From an observer that is hanging around way to long today. Monkeyhawk and Ksfrmgrl you attributing mental health problems to people playing a simple game with a proven liar because he keeps claiming he is telling the truth when he is obviously lying. Read it yourself. The proof is there about him and square peg. Well this seems to be a form of self denial on the liberal side. Defend the liar and apply mental health problems to his victim well you make your own decisions based on the facts.
Chas’s “lies” make nathan a victim?
jesus WEPT!
if it is soooooo obvious that Chas lies, why do you feel the need to hammer him? Every. single. day.
Or is he just a convenient fly for you to torture?
And for cryin’ out loud. If lying were a problem, HOW MANY posters would THAT wipe out?
Including nic switchers….
Nope. I think it is just “christian” bullying. Something I know a little about.
The fact that one christian is bullying another though, is amusing, as well as sad.
Oh, and if you do “observe” here?
You would know that Nathan’s problems are not unique to Chas. They manifest themselves frequently, and obviously on many topics.
He’s just a common, arrogant bully. Dress it up however you want, that is how this “observer” sees it.
I will try to rachet it down. I’m just as guilty as anyone else, and I surely don’t want to be the thing that throws anyone over the edge. I know in the past that people have said things to me that have really REALLY hurt. And what we do is respond with anger and defensiveness.
I’d like to make the blog a better place. But it is going to take everyone doing it too. I have little faith it can be achieved. I’m one person, but I’ll try to do my part.
I am also worried about Nathan. And I’m not saying this to pick on him. Truly. He’s in a vunerable group. I tend to give Nathan a pass for the things he says, and that’s not right either though. I’ve told him in the past that I think he does this in order to be able to do his job. He disagrees. I don’t, because he’s not the only one I talk to online. There does seem to be a disconnect with most of them. I HATE that. But I can hope that once the threat of their death is over, they’ll look at it in a more appropriate light.
I’ll equate this to when I stopped running on the ambulance, and the time when I was mutilated by my surgeon. Those two times, I was completely repulsed by images even on tv of sanitized accidents. Trauma: Life in the ER was always one of my favorite shows, and I couldn’t hardly watch it anymore. I remember especially this one story of a woman who was killed in an auto accident, and I was sitting there in tears, just bawling…wondering how I could ever go back out there and treat people like that ever again. It was so strange I can’t even tell you…me, the one who loved the excitement of this kind of thing….I thought I had lost that forever. So when I started running again, I have to say, it flipped right back on when I did. Like I had never skipped a beat. But I’m also a better person now for realizing that is what it is.
You learn coping mechanisms in order to function in an environment like that. you make it less bad in your mind so you can do what needs to be done. I realized I had employed that tool as when when I was being abused by my ex-husband. It was always worse for someone else…wasn’t so bad for me. And…I wasn’t worthy of a healthy relationship. You never see it at the time when you’re in it. It isn’t until you look back and then you can see it.
I’ve never known Chas to be caught in a lie.
I have, however seen KsGRM, AND Regular caught in lies. Actually I think KsGrm was mistaken, but held to that for as long as she could.