1 John 2: 18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
There are 1681 days until the end of the current cycle.
Press release below from National Center President Amy Ridenour [info@nationalcenter.org]. My comment: You cannot blame the bureaucrats behind this. They would have been hounded by a campaign of hate if they had NOT listed the bears — JR
The decision to list the polar bear as “threatened” announced today by Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne was probably the best that could be expected from a government agency operating under a severely-flawed Endangered Species Act, but it is a regrettable decision nonetheless.
The Secretary’s clear intent to deny environmental organizations the power to regulate the energy use of the American people through Endangered Species Act-related lawsuits is commendable, but it is only through a failure of lawmaking that such a threat to representative government is even possible. It remains to be seen if the Secretary’s effort to keep the development of climate policies it belongs — with Congress — will succeed.
Environmental organizations will continue to try to use the Endangered Species Act to impose energy-use restrictions on the American public, but no climate policy should be adopted without the consent of the public as expressed through the votes of their elected representatives in Congress.
Those politicians who support the effort to impose climate policy without public consent are doing so due to political expediency. The present majority leadership of the House and Senate claim to be persuaded that the theory that human beings are causing significant climate change is correct, yet it is unwilling to push energy-use restrictions through Congress because the public does not support this action. The Congressional leadership is taking the coward’s way out.
According to a new Pew Poll released last week, for the U.S. population as a whole, only 47% believe that the earth is warming due to man made causes. Democrats are likeliest to believe this (58%) and Republicans least likely (27%) with Independents split right down the middle (50%).
Although most Democrats believe man is the culprit, they don’t take the crime too seriously. When asked to prioritize global warming among the many concerns that face Americans — everything from terrorism to crime to government ethics — global warming comes in 15th out of 21. Independents take a dimmer view, ranking global warming the 18th most important issue, and Republicans rank it last, as the 21st most important.
Once again BlueJay/JR uses the anonymity of the blog instead of the adult approach. Email, write, or call the editor of the weblog JR if you have a problem with it. Better yet, if you are so disgusted, why don’t you just leave?
Let those of us who choose to post here remain
without your juvenile posts.
Now, you Libs who put all your faith in Nanny Government to take care of you, somehow see the need for a union for employees of such a benevolent Nanny Government?
I’m confused. Why would there be the NEED for a Union if your employer is the Nanny Government?
Well it won’t be the first Max. The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is the largest federal employee union representing 600000 federal employees.
Another reason masochistic Kansasns will vote for Mccain:
“Sen. John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican nominee for president, urged the Air Force last year to disregard the subsidy issue for the tanker award. McCain, of Arizona, led an effort nearly five years ago that derailed an abortive $23.5 billion Air Force plan to lease then buy 100 modified Boeing 767s as tankers
Yesterday’s Washington Post, riding along with Hillary yesterday in West Virginia:
2:57 p.m., Yeager Airport, Charleston, W.Va.: A steep descent brings Clinton’s plane to Charleston’s hilltop airport. After an appropriate wait, she steps from the plane and pretends to wave to a crowd of supporters; in fact, she is waving to 10 photographers underneath the airplane’s wing. She pretends to spot an old friend in the crowd, points and gives another wave; in fact, she is waving at an aide she had been talking with on the plane minutes earlier.
Elimination of World Poverty. Hmmm…how much does that cost? Sounds like an expansion of the failed LBJ plan from the 1960’s. 50 years later, still the same poverty rate in the USA.
Obama wants to take an unsuccessful National Poverty Plan and expand it to The Whole Wide World! (THAT should help balance the US Budget!)
And might I say here, on the open thread, how deeply sorry I am to see Steven Davis leave this blog. He is an extraordinary human being, a great friend, and one of the best posters here. He has honestly worked to make the blog better. Yes, he has his breaking points like all of us do, but he did work tirelessly to bridge the gaps between posters. His posts were always interesting and thoughtful. He was invested in making this blog better.
I dont imagine he is reading here but if he is, I hope he reconsiders his decision to leave. Maybe a break, but please, not a total departure.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1 John 4:1
My loved ones, do not put your faith in every spirit, but put them to the test, to see if they are from God: because a great number of false prophets have gone out into the world
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly put forward wrong teachings for your destruction, even turning away from the Lord who gave himself for them; whose destruction will come quickly, and they themselves will be the cause of it.
2 Corinthians 11:13
For such men are false Apostles, workers of deceit, making themselves seem like Apostles of Christ.
Revelation 2:2
have knowledge of your doings, and of your hard work and long waiting, and that you will not put up with evil men, and have put to the test those who say they are Apostles and are not, and have seen that they are false;
Well there MonkeyHawk, the letters to the Corinthians was more or less like a letter of reprimand to the Christian community, to straighten up and follow the teachings of Christ.
It is still used as a guidance for Christian churches.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?
What does it say for people who put their trust in a book commissioned by a King in the 17th Century, and those who cling to its language? Do they not know that King James commissioned his “Bible” so that the people could hear the Scripture in a language format that was common to all people?
Certainly nobody in the 21st Century still speaks the English of King James VI, of 17th Century England!
A lot of what I’ve been saying about the bushonomy is in this article.
Economic ‘misery’ more widespread
Some experts argue that true inflation and unemployment - the components of the economy’s ‘Misery Index’ - are higher than the government’s official figures.
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Consumers seeing gas prices soar have trouble believing relatively tame government inflation readings. Some critics argue they’re right to doubt the numbers.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Americans are feeling a lot more economic pain than the government’s official statistics would lead you to believe, according to a growing number of experts.
They argue that figures for unemployment and inflation are being understated by the government.
Unemployment and inflation are typically added together to come up with a so-called “Misery Index.”
The “Misery Index” was often cited during periods of high unemployment and inflation, such as the mid 1970s and late 1970s to early 1980s.
And some fear the economy may be approaching those levels again.
The official numbers produce a current Misery Index of only 8.9 - inflation of 3.9% plus unemployment of 5%. That’s not far from the Misery Index’s low of 6.1 seen in 1998.
But using the estimates on CPI and unemployment from economists skeptical of the government numbers, the Misery Index is actually in the teens. Some worry it could even approach the post-World War II record of 20.6 in 1980.
“We’re looking at government numbers that are really out of whack,” said Kevin Phillips, author of the book “Bad Money.”
No inflation if you don’t eat or drive
According to the government’s most recent Consumer Price Index, a key inflation reading, consumer prices rose 3.9% in the 12 months ending in April, down slightly from the 4% annual inflation rate in March despite record gasoline prices.
But Phillips argues that consumer prices are probably up at least 5% and perhaps more than 10%.
Part of the disconnect may be due to the fact that nondurable goods, such as food and gasoline, makes up only 12% of CPI.
In addition, food and energy prices are eliminated from the so-called core CPI, which many economists tend to focus more closely on because they claim food and gas prices are volatile.
But food and energy costs are a very important part of household budgets. And those prices have been skyrocketing: Gas prices were up about 21% over the 12 months ending in April.
However, due to seasonal adjustments in the CPI, the government reported that gas prices were down 2% in April, even though on a non-adjusted basis, gas prices rose 5.6% from March.
And even that number may be too low. Measures of gasoline prices by AAA and the Department of Energy suggested prices rose as much as 10% in April.
Meanwhile, food prices rose 5.1% over the last 12 months, according to the report. The nearly 1% one-month jump in food prices in April was the biggest spike in 18 years.
To that end, nearly half of the respondents of a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said inflation was the biggest problem they face.
CPI missed the housing bubble…and bust
Another problem with the CPI figures, according to skeptics, is that it doesn’t accurately reflect what’s going on in the housing market. That’s significant because the cost of buying a home has twice the impact on CPI as does the prices of all nondurable goods combined.
The CPI showed only an 11% rise in home ownership costs from 2002 through 2006, a time that the National Association of Realtors reported that existing home prices soared 34%.
The reason for the low CPI reading is because the CPI looks at equivalent rents, rather than home prices. So inflation was understated during this period, according to Phillips. He argues this may have helped feed the housing boom since it kept mortgage rates lower than they should have been.
Now that the housing boom has gone bust, the CPI appears to be missing the declines in home prices as well; it estimates that the cost of owning a home posted a 12-month increase of 2.6% in April.
But because the CPI figure was so far behind tracking the increase in home values, the housing component of CPI still is leading to a lower inflation reading than what it should be, Phillips said.
The inflation ‘con job’
The unusual way that housing prices are estimated isn’t the only peculiarity of the CPI report. Over the past ten years, there have been other changes in the calculations, particularly for big ticket items.
Cuts to estimated prices for items like electronics and cars that are thought to have improvements in quality year-after-year have lowered the overall CPI. In addition, changes in the way certain products, such as food, are tracked by the government, have also contributed to lower readings than otherwise expected.
Bill Gross, the manager of Pimco Total Return, the nation’s largest bond fund, refers to the CPI as a “con job” that deliberately understates the price pressures faced by Americans in order to keep Social Security payments and other government costs pegged to the index unduly low.
In a report about the CPI, he noted that some of the adjustments don’t accurately reflect how much consumers pay for goods. Pimco estimates that the changes have shaved more than a percentage point off the CPI.
“Did your new model computer come with a 25% discount from last year’s price?” Gross wrote. “Probably not. What is likely is that you paid about the same price for memory improvements you’ll never use.”
Another flaw with the CPI numbers is that the government now assumes that higher prices for one item will lead consumers to buy more of a substitution item. That may be true. But if people buy fewer steaks and more hamburgers, for example, it’s unrealistic to say that inflation isn’t a problem, skeptics maintain.
“The government can claim there’s no inflation but all they’re measuring is a reduced standard of living,” argues Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital, an investment firm specializing in overseas investments.
With all this in mind, California economist John Williams argues that CPI is understating inflation by at least 3 percentage points and perhaps as much as 7 percentage points. So instead of an annual inflation rate of 4%, the true number could be between 7% and 11%.
Unemployed, but not counted
Finally, there’s the unemployment rate. It was at a relatively low 5% in April. But according to Williams’ Web site, ShadowStats.com, the actual rate may be between 8% and 12% if you use a more accurate reading of those out of work.
Even the government’s own numbers show there are many unemployed people not showing up in the unemployment rate. The official reading does not include 4.8 million people who want to work but haven’t found a job, for example.
Many of these people are dropped from the official calculation because they have become so discouraged from looking without success that they haven’t looked in the previous four weeks. Simply adding those people to the number of unemployed takes the current unemployment rate to 7.8%.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which produces both the CPI and unemployment readings, says changes in both measures were made to more accurately reflect the real world. The BLS also says the changes have resulted in changes of less than 1% for each measure.
Still, the Labor Department’s own broadest measure of unemployment, which includes as jobless those working part-time jobs because they can’t find full-time positions as well as some discouraged job seekers, puts the unemployment rate at 9.2% in April, the highest level for that reading in more than three years.
So if you take that number and add that to the 7% that Williams thinks is a more likely annual inflation rate, you’re looking at a “Misery Index” of 16.2, much worse than the 8.9 you get from the official numbers.
And while that may seem a bit high, it’s probably a more accurate gauge of how bad the economy is for many Americans.
Here you go Squarepants, an update more modern English approach.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (New Life Version)
New Life Version (NLV)
Do not be joined together with those who do not belong to Christ. How can that which is good get along with that which is bad? How can light be in the same place with darkness?
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
(2 Corinthians 6:14 NKJV)
Success in achieving the MDGs in the poorest and most
disadvantaged countries cannot be achieved by these
countries alone. Developed countries need to deliver
fully on longstanding commitments to achieve the official
development assistance (ODA) target of 0.7 per cent of gross
national income (GNI) by 2015. It requires, in particular, the
Group of 8 industrialized nations to live up to their 2005
pledge to double aid to Africa by 2010 and European Union
Member States to allocate 0.7 per cent of GNI to ODA by
2015. In spite of these commitments, ODA declined between
2005 and 2006 and is expected to continue to fall slightly in
2007 as debt relief declines.
It’s also a ruse for the GORACLE and his followers to get their grub hands into the World Bank pot that will be accumulating the monies.
You know it will happen - already there are countries robbed of precious economic and agricultural subsidizing because Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.
Do we ever wonder why we are to be so frightened of and by so-called “terrorists” when Burma…sorry Myanmar and China are dealing with what they/we should be more frightened of which is, The Creator/creation itself? This doesn’t include the numerous other earthquakes and volcanic activity that’s going on right now.
If there are still any truly “God-fearing” people left, they aren’t scared of any of it.
“Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.”
Actually, we scientists ARE concerned about the starvation and desease that are exacerbated by desertification and other manifestations of climate change. Rainfall pattern disruption is very hard on agriculture - just ask Australia.
Those Communists in Myanmar are not acting properly — However, they ARE acting in a sort of self-defense mode — They have told their people that the government can provide for their needs — IF they now accept more than a nominal amount of foreign assistance, they believe, in their demented way, that they open their country to a Revolution, since the people would — rightly — call them liars!!
I watched McCain’s speech today, and found out he is the second coming of Christ, Batman, Superman and maybe even Elvis. According to him, all the world’s woes will end during his first four years. There will be no hungry mouths, no poverty, disease will be wiped out. There will be a chicken in every pot, and fuel will cost $0.10 a gallon again(Hey, I made that up . . . shoot me:-).
OK Ben — my bad — I thought the Myanmar regime was communist too… Yes, I noticed that China is welcoming foreign assistance in their disasters… strange, huh??
Regular — Your response doesnt LOOK like a link of any kind… Do you not have one to support your statement?? Or are you just trying your usual diversions??
The Iraq war has , or will, cost this country 3 trillion dollars. damn near one third of Max’s U.S. national income. And he’s bitchin’ about sending 68 billion to help other countries? According to Max’s logic, we should just go in and snuff everybody in the other countries, I guess.
If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money to a country that needs it to help feed its people, stave off invading forces or help it climb out of dept and grow on its own, I got no problem with it. If my country, the one I fought for, decides people in this country need money to help them through tough times, such as layoffs, jobs moving to other countries, rural areas where there is little if any hope for a good job, I, again, have no problem with that. If my country, the one I fought for, decides humans are not just numbers, and starts treating them as humans, I, again, have no problem with that.
I would much rather have my tax money go to help people in need, then to see it wasted on war in Iraq. I would rather see my tax money go to real life protection against terrorism, then to see it wasted on an overblown, politically controlled Dept of Homeland Security. I would rather see this country, the one I fought for, become, again, a country ruled of the people, by the people, and for the people, then to see it going down in flames and controlled by big business, as it is now.
And that, Max, is my opinion, and I really could care less about your “it’s my money, and I want it now” micro-logic.
noooooooooooooooooooooo gay marriage legal in kkkalifornia its the end of the republic ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
“Investigators have concluded that two military helicopters were vandalized on the production line at a Boeing factory near Philadelphia, the Defense Department said Thursday as it offered a reward in the case.”
You want to send 68 billion dollars a year to other countries and deny the children of the U.S. Health Insurance which was 35 billion over a five year period?
Regular — lacking a link to support your statement, I must consider it to be a false conjecture, and just arm flailing from the Right Wing. Thank you! BTW, dont ask me for links anymore, if you arent willing to provide same…
Since you know nothing from which I wrote Chas, your conclusion that it is false is entirely a precipitate of gray matters leaking from your ears which led you to a conclusion that wind rushing past your ears is the same as thinking.
“If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money”
If my country, which I also fought for (which sounds sorta stupid, but thought I’d repeat it for the benefit of the original poster), decides
to pay off the 9 trillion dollar debt - instead of
writing more IOU’s to send bad checks abroad,
then I have no problem with that.
When all you morons realize we HAVE NO MORE MONEY for adventure spending abroad (war or for peace), then there might be hope for this nation.
Uh huh — Just as I stated above — Just another Ad Hominem diversion from your statement, which you now prove you cannot back up… You are just flaming against Global Warming, by attempting to suggest that people are more concerned with GW, than with the health of people — which of course, is just ludicrous!!
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f/#comment-239958
“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports.
You will find that the Army Corp of Engineers had to delay projects and subsequently lost the funding for those projects for those Fiscal years.
The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
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Later, jimmymac basically copy/pasted some snips similar to my
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’ link.
And… added a bogus, false, fictional ending paragraph.
jimmymac had nothing from the “Congressional Record”.
jimmymac had no “Justice Department reports”.
The people who filed a lawsuit against the Corps disagree with little jimmymac — there’s no mention of the Sierra Club.
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
Why JMWalker, I’m shocked!
You want to send 68 billion dollars a year to other countries and deny the children of the U.S. Health Insurance which was 35 billion over a five year period?
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O, ya, forgot: Health insurance for every child under eighteen years of age, paid for with tax money if need be.
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American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
“If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money”
If my country, which I also fought for (which sounds sorta stupid, but thought I’d repeat it for the benefit of the original poster), decides
to pay off the 9 trillion dollar debt - instead of
writing more IOU’s to send bad checks abroad,
then I have no problem with that.
When all you morons realize we HAVE NO MORE MONEY for adventure spending abroad (war or for peace), then there might be hope for this nation.
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So what the hell are we doing in Iraq, fellow moron, creating a democracy?
cosmos is perpetually flatulent in three languages, GORACLE, ALARMINIAN and SIERRACLUBASHIA.
As cosmos gas bags his way through life on the razor sharp slide of methane buttocks edge technology, one can only surmise that cosmos has seen the mountain top and found snow yellow and his cornflakes saturated with same.
annie_moose
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
noooooooooooooooooooooo gay marriage legal in kkkalifornia its the end of the republic ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I just heard it am 1330
You heard it correctly. THe California Supreme court rule 4/3 that to deny Same sex marriages was onconstitutional. SO, four judges overruled the will of the people of California which voted the opposite way. NOw, whether or not you consider that a good think depends, I suspect, on your ideology. And since it was by a majority of one, one person actually made the decision for all. I guess you call that representative government. ANd if you agree with 4/3 majority in this case, how do you deligitimize 5/4 decisions by the US Supreme COurt? Only by hypocritical logic.
As for me, the State of California should have granted same sex marriages.But then, it would have been in violaiton of the will of the people. Didn;t I just see a post about by the people, for the people?
Why are you asking me? I don’t claim, and never have posted that I have the answer for that one.
It’s all waste to me. Whether it’s sending our guns and military to shoot people, or sending rice or wheat to starving biafrica.
We are freakin’ BROKE!!
Let me ask you, do you go buy a new Lexus when you can only afford a Ford Fuk-us?
If you don’t have any money in the bank, do you continue to write checks?
That is exactly what our nation is doing. Worse, they are writing checks on the non-existing accounts of our future grand children and great grand children.
It’s nice to WANT to help. It’s quite another to continue writing bad checks.
Sierra Club did not prevent the Corps from using a ‘T’ foundation instead of the insufficient ‘L’ foundation they actually used. That was a decision made solely by the Corps.
Sierra Club did NOT force the Corps to strip away protective marshes - in fact Sierra Club protested that action by the Corps.
Sierra Club did not act to lower the level of New Orleans. The Corps did - and Sierra clb protested that action.
Geomorphology would be a better discipline to the problems of flooding than Corps Engineering.
Walker you will see I am consistent with my logic.
I know we cannot afford the war in Iraq and also know, for the same reasons we cannot afford to be creating MORE debt sending other kinds of aid overseas.
I don’t make a statement that contradicts and is logically incongruous.
There is no money honey. For your pet projects nor anyone else’s.
Amway, I understand what you are saying, but this country runs on debt. It is not a business, it is a republic form of government. Running the country debt free is not going to happen. Clinton was supposed to have left this country with a surplus. Not true. Fancy bookwork was all that was.
Your comment, “It’s all waste to me. Whether it’s sending our guns and military to shoot people, or sending rice or wheat to starving biafrica.” bothers me. Sending rice or wheat to starving people is the Christian thing to do, and you republicans are insisting this is a Christian nation. So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?
As much as you would like, you really can’t have it both ways. We are in debt, and probably always will be, but ignoring the rest of the world when we have the ability to feed it, assuming of course we stop this corn for fuel nonsense, is just plain wrong on too many levels.
Human-caused global warming will not warm the Earth uniformly.
‘Global warming will negatively impact tropical species, study shows’ http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/global-warming-will-negatively-49641.aspx
“According to climate predictions, more rapid rates of warming of the Earth’s surface will occur in the higher latitudes, especially in the polar regions, than at the equator, Deutsch said.
“You would think a larger warming in Alaska would have a greater impact on the organisms living there than a much smaller increase in, say, Panama or Costa Rica,” he said. “We found the opposite will be true. A 1-degree temperature change in Panama will not be felt the same way by an organism as a 1-degree temperature change in Alaska.”
The range of temperature tolerance that an organism has is largely dependent on how much temperature variability it experiences. In the tropics, the amount of temperature variability is very small; there is little difference between summer and winter, while in Alaska, the seasons are dramatically different.”
Square Peg, Gotta quibble with your post: James was James the Sixth of Scotland. But when Elizabeth the First died, he became King of England as James the First.
For us anglophiles, the worst thing that ever happened was when so many churches switched from the soaring poetry of the KJV to the mundane ordinariness of the RSV.
Some scholars now believe that Shakespeare might have been part of a team that translated the Latin “Vulgate” Bible into what became the KJV. Prominent writers who knew Latin (virtually all of them) worked on various passages.
Yes, CapN - you’re right — And yes, many scholars believe Shakespeare had a major role in working out the translations, especially in the poetry sections, of the KJV… And yes, it does “ring” better when read aloud in larger Cathedral type buildings, that have little or no benefit of sound systems — Good post, CapN
Greens vs. Levees
Destructive river-management philosophy.
By John Berlau
With all that has happened in the state, it’s understandable that the Louisiana chapter of the Sierra Club may not have updated its website. But when its members get around to it, they may want to change the wording of one item in particular. The site brags that the group is “working to keep the Atchafalaya Basin,” which adjoins the Mississippi River not far from New Orleans, “wet and wild.”
These words may seem especially inappropriate after the breaking of the levee that caused the tragic events in New Orleans last week. But “wet and wild” has a larger significance in light of those events, and so does the group using the phrase. The national Sierra Club was one of several environmental groups who sued the Army Corps of Engineers to stop a 1996 plan to raise and fortify Mississippi River levees.
The Army Corps was planning to upgrade 303 miles of levees along the river in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas. This was needed, a Corps spokesman told the Baton Rouge, La., newspaper The Advocate, because “a failure could wreak catastrophic consequences on Louisiana and Mississippi which the states would be decades in overcoming, if they overcame them at all.”
But a suit filed by environmental groups at the U.S. District Court in New Orleans claimed the Corps had not looked at “the impact on bottomland hardwood wetlands.” The lawsuit stated, “Bottomland hardwood forests must be protected and restored if the Louisiana black bear is to survive as a species, and if we are to ensure continued support for source population of all birds breeding in the lower Mississippi River valley.” In addition to the Sierra Club, other parties to the suit were the group American Rivers, the Mississippi River Basin Alliance, and the Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi Wildlife Federations.
The lawsuit was settled in 1997 with the Corps agreeing to hold off on some work while doing an additional two-year environmental impact study. Whether this delay directly affected the levees that broke in New Orleans is difficult to ascertain.
But it is just one illustration of a destructive river-management philosophy that took hold in the ‘90s, influenced the Clinton administration, and had serious policy consequences. Put simply, it’s impossible to understand the delays in building levees without being aware of the opposition of the environmental groups to dams, levees, and anything that interfered with the “natural” river flow. The group American Rivers, which leads coalitions of eco-groups on river policy, has for years actually called its campaign, “Rivers Unplugged.”
Over the past few years, levees came to occupy the same status for environmental groups as roads in forests — an artificial barrier to nature. They frequently campaigned against levees being built and shored up on the nation’s rivers, including on the Mississippi.
(duh Congressional Record)In 2000, American Rivers’ Mississippi River Regional Representative Jeffrey Stein complained in a congressional hearing that the river’s “levees that temporarily protect floodplain farms have reduced the frequency, extent and magnitude of high flows, robbing the river of its ability … to sustain itself.” Similarly, the National Audubon Society, referring specifically to Louisiana, has this statement slamming levees on its website, “Levees have cut off freshwater flows, harming fishing and creating salt water intrusion.” The left-leaning Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, in describing a grant it gave to Environmental Defense, blasted “the numerous levees and canals built on the lower Mississippi River” because “such structures disrupt the natural flows of the Mississippi River’s sediments.”
Some went beyond opposition to building or repairing levees. At an Army Corps of Engineers meeting concerning the Mississippi River in 2002, Audubon official Dan McGuiness even recommended “looking at opportunities to lower or remove levees [emphasis added]” from the river.
The groups argued that the “natural” way would lead to better river management, but it was clear they had other agendas in mind besides flood control. They were concerned because levees were allegedly threatening their beloved exotic animals and plants. In his testimony, American Rivers’s Stein noted that the Mississippi River was home to “double-crested cormorant, rare orchids, and many other species,” which he implied were put at risk by man-made levees.
So far the environmental movement’s role in the events leading to the flooding has been little discussed. One exception is former Rep. Bob Livingston (R., La.), who told Fox News on Saturday that environmentalists were one of the major reasons levee projects were held up.
At this point, there are still questions about the particular levees that broke in New Orleans. Care should be taken about drawing direct conclusions about the causes until there are more facts. But there are some important points that are clear that should put in perspective about levee funding and flood control
Nearly all flood-control projects — even relatively small ones — are subject to a variety of assessments for effects on wetlands, endangered species, and other environmental concerns. These reviews can be costly and delay projects by years. In the ‘90s, for instance, the Clinton administration’s Environmental Protection Agency required a comprehensive environmental impact statement just to repair a few Colorado River levees that had been destroyed in the floods of 1993.
The Clinton administration would frequently side with environmentalists on flood-control projects, even against local Democrats. The Army Corps of Engineers under Clinton began implementing a planned “spring rise” of the Missouri River that would raise water levels on the Missouri River during part of the year. This was supported by eco-groups, who argued that this restored the river’s natural flows and protected a bird called the piping plover. But farm groups and others said that combined with the ice melting from winter, the project could increase the risk of flooding in river communities and affect more than 1 million acres of productive farmland. Nearly all the Republicans and Democrats in Missouri’s congressional delegation opposed the plan, as did Missouri’s late Democratic governor, Mel Carnahan. But the Clinton administration refused to budge, and this was a major factor in Bush’s carrying of Missouri in 2000.
The Bush administration’s flood-control efforts were often relentlessly opposed by environmental groups, and this opposition was frequently echoed by liberal activists and in the press. Bush kept his promise, and his appointees at the Corps of Engineers have stopped the “spring rise” plan that concerned so many about flooding. Environmentalists launched a barrage of criticism and a series of lawsuits. This was also the case with Bush’s moves to stop the Clinton administration’s plans to breach the dams on the Columbia and Snake Rivers in the northwest. Even though the dams greatly help to control flooding in the region, American Rivers blasted the administration for failing to do enough to save the sockeye salmon native to the region.
Ironically, among those criticizing Bush for his actions to prevent flooding of the Missouri River was the ever-present anti-Bush environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He chastised Bush in 2004 for “managing the flow of the Missouri River.” If, before Katrina, Bush had proceeded full-speed ahead and fortified the levees of the Mississippi for a Category 5 hurricane, Kennedy and others of his ilk would very likely have criticized Bush for trying to manage the natural flow of the Mississippi. And it’s a good bet that many of the lefty bloggers now critical of Bush for not reinforcing the levees would have cited Bush’s levee fortification as another way he was despoiling the natural environment.
I quite agreed with Square Peg, so, it is my bad for not finding the error sooner!! My history studies only included nominal British History — much to my own detriment… Such a wonderful body of knowledge and history!!
“And it’s a good bet that many of the lefty bloggers now critical of Bush for not reinforcing the levees would have cited Bush’s levee fortification as another way he was despoiling the natural environment.”
Probably so Regular. I still think rebuilding the levee system is the wrong solution. It will flood again.
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
In recent years, the World Bank like other international financial
institutions have been using GNI more frequently as a measure of national
income in international economic comparisons. Why ?
In order to understand this, we need to know first of all what GNI is. Well,
basically it is just a new acronym for the good old Gross National Product
we used to know, which in the 1970s was largely abandoned in favour of GDP.
The rationale given for the change in wording is that GNI is considered more
a concept of “income” rather than a “product measure” (sic.).
Officially, GNI equals GDP (the sum of value added by all resident
producers in the sphere of production) PLUS any product taxes
(less subsidies) not already included in the valuation of net output, PLUS
net receipts of primary income (compensation of employees and
profits) from abroad.
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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Wrong again!
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
CapN — I sometimes get my Roman Numerals all mixed up when it comes to British Royalty!! LOL
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I said nothing about Square Peg or his use of Roman Numerals, or being confused about it… I said, as is clear above, that I get them mixed up with reference to British Royalty… I have no clue why Square Peg posted wrongly…
Hell, I do believe I can react to Square Peg’s post, and still NOT BE HIM… What a lying SOB you are James!!
CapN found an error that I didnt see!! Good job, CapN!!
I’m concerned for his health. Stroke victims often have repeated episodes. Chas is all alone, so if anyone knows him please contact him and make sure he is o.k..
I’d hate to have to hear of someone waiting too long and then having to call a priest.
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
I did a quick scan and couldn’t find a post today in reference to Capn America’s post to him.
Oh well. Capn was probably referring to another day and another post. Chas was probably just being friendly to Capn by responding. Twice.
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SquarePeg
Posted May 15, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
What does it say for people who put their trust in a book commissioned by a King in the 17th Century, and those who cling to its language? Do they not know that King James commissioned his “Bible” so that the people could hear the Scripture in a language format that was common to all people?
Certainly nobody in the 21st Century still speaks the English of King James VI, of 17th Century England!
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CapnAmerica
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink
Square Peg, Gotta quibble with your post: James was James the Sixth of Scotland. But when Elizabeth the First died, he became King of England as James the First.
For us anglophiles, the worst thing that ever happened was when so many churches switched from the soaring poetry of the KJV to the mundane ordinariness of the RSV.
Some scholars now believe that Shakespeare might have been part of a team that translated the Latin “Vulgate” Bible into what became the KJV. Prominent writers who knew Latin (virtually all of them) worked on various passages.
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Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
CapN — I sometimes get my Roman Numerals all mixed up when it comes to British Royalty!! LOL
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American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
It’s nice to WANT to help. It’s quite another to continue writing bad checks.
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It’s one thing to write a check from your own back pocket, and quite a different thing to express your generousity with a check from someone elses back pocket.
What’s everyone paying for their share of the pie today?
” GNI equals GDP (the sum of value added by all resident producers in the sphere of production) PLUS any product taxes (less subsidies) not already included in the valuation of net output, PLUS net receipts of primary income (compensation of employees and profits) from abroad.”
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Amway YES you are wrong!! I made no mention of any Chaplains Corps… There is none!! Geez!! Cant even read, huh??
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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Wrong again!
I was commenting on what CapN said… NOT about anything Square Peg said… READ James… READ!!! Otherwise, just STFU!!! You are only trying to cause problems, and created more stupid idiotic diversions!!
Go outside if you want to arm flail… the smell with knock you over indoors!!
Same with the scary threat to Nathan’s career, which is also a LIE!!! Just lies, AmWay… All lies!! I made all that clear from the start… So, just DROP IT!! You obviously dont have a clue what you’re spouting about!!
Regular I wasn’t ignoring you. I saw your link the first time, and yes the Chaplain Corps covers the United States Marine Corps as a subset (puking) of the US Navy.
But I really do remember SOMEone posting they had contacted the “Head of the Chaplain Corps”.
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
Does anyone here know Chas personally?
I’m concerned for his health. Stroke victims often have repeated episodes. Chas is all alone, so if anyone knows him please contact him and make sure he is o.k..
I’d hate to have to hear of someone waiting too long and then having to call a priest.
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!! http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-424/#comment-336690
Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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Nathaniel
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink
American Way,
Besides the fact that the question “So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?” presents a false dilemma.
We can be a broke Christian Nation
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So, Nathan, being a broke Christian nation absolves us from our Christian duty to help the needy, regardless of country of origin? You see, my duty, as a Christian, is to do what I can to help others in need. I do that through charity and my government. But that’s my way.
AmWay — You definitely have a reading comprehension problem… I said nothing about the head of a chaplains corps… I believe that quote posted by Regular proves that point explicitly… So, you can wait till Hell freezes over for any apology!! Cause I didnt SAY that… And yep, if you think they are the same thing, you must be getting OLD — very OLD!!
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You definitely have a reading comprehension problem… I said nothing about the head of a chaplains corps… I believe that quote posted by Regular proves that point explicitly… So, you can wait till Hell freezes over for any apology!! Cause I didnt SAY that… And yep, if you think they are the same thing, you must be getting OLD — very OLD!!
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!! http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-424/#comment-336690
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(GUFAWS)
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
And yes, you are right, the Marine Corps uses Navy Chaplains. Not Marine Chaplains. I dont know WHY, but they do!!
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The Chaplain Corps of the United States Navy consists of ordained clergy who are commissioned Naval officers. They serve not only in the Navy, but in the United States Marine Corps and United States Coast Guard as well.
Navy Chaplains “promote the spiritual, religious, moral, and personal well-being of the members of the Department of Navy.” They share in the difficulties and rewards of Navy life. The Chaplain Corps consists of clergy endorsed from ecclesiastical bodies, providing assistance for all sailors. Navy Chaplains come from a variety of religious backgrounds including, but not limited to: Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist. They are assisted by United States Navy enlisted personnel in the Religious Programs Specialist (RP) rating.
Nathan, I had a stroke — I didnt like it much… But it happened… Four years ago on Mother’s Day… In the middle of a restaurant… in downtown Sioux City…. It has left me partially crippled in my left hand, my left foot, and my left arm…
NOW — if you are the heap big Christian you pretend to be, YOU WOULD STOP MAKING FUN OF IT, AND JUST DEAL WITH IT, THE SAME WAY PEOPLE MANAGE TO DEAL WITH WRITER DOG’S STRANGE USE OF WORDS AND GRAMMAR!!
BUT, since I know you arent really the heap big Christian you pretend to be, just knock it off… And maybe, just maybe, look in some hand books on writing, and LEARN that CAPS can and are used for something called EMPHASIS… Idiot!!
Nathaniel
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Chas,
There is that wonderful minister quality of yours again.
Do you tell people to STFU in person or only on the blog?
How about in church?
Do you call people a dumba$$ in church?
Did you use that language in your comlaint about me to whoever you complained to?
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To answer your question Nathan,
From the church website:
O Christ, hear us.
R. O Christ, hear us dumba$$es.
O God, the Father in heaven,
or whoever or whatever
you conceive God to be:
R. Have mercy upon us,
And help us to STFU!
O God the Son, Redeemer of US dumba$$es:
R. Have mercy upon us,
We are all Nuckin Futs.
O God, the Holy Ghost:
R. Have mercy upon us dumba$$es.
Be gracious unto us.
R. Spare us, good Lord.
Be gracious unto us.
R. Help us, good Lord.
From all sin;
From all error;
From all evil:
R. Good Lord, deliver us dumba$$.
Universities seek to raise tuition up to 8.7 percent
The Associated Press
TOPEKA, Kan. - Officials at the state’s six universities are proposing tuition increases for the fall of up to 8.7 percent.
“So, Obama’s Plan is to steal $68.46 BILLION from US taxpayers every year to give to other countries.”
Max
I think I’ve learned the forumla for the theft of funds from the US taxpayer is based upon GDP, and not the national debt (whew, the math was killing me).
Obama co-sponsored this legislation. I had a link to his comments when I originally posted about this the other day.
Where on earth does Obama think he will get the funding for this? There simply is no money left in the cash register. What about our OWN poor? What about our own lacking healthcare? What about our own crumbling bridges, roads, infrastructure?
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1 John 2: 18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
There are 1681 days until the end of the current cycle.
Friday December 21, 2012
The “listed” Polar bear
Press release below from National Center President Amy Ridenour [info@nationalcenter.org]. My comment: You cannot blame the bureaucrats behind this. They would have been hounded by a campaign of hate if they had NOT listed the bears — JR
The decision to list the polar bear as “threatened” announced today by Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne was probably the best that could be expected from a government agency operating under a severely-flawed Endangered Species Act, but it is a regrettable decision nonetheless.
The Secretary’s clear intent to deny environmental organizations the power to regulate the energy use of the American people through Endangered Species Act-related lawsuits is commendable, but it is only through a failure of lawmaking that such a threat to representative government is even possible. It remains to be seen if the Secretary’s effort to keep the development of climate policies it belongs — with Congress — will succeed.
Environmental organizations will continue to try to use the Endangered Species Act to impose energy-use restrictions on the American public, but no climate policy should be adopted without the consent of the public as expressed through the votes of their elected representatives in Congress.
Those politicians who support the effort to impose climate policy without public consent are doing so due to political expediency. The present majority leadership of the House and Senate claim to be persuaded that the theory that human beings are causing significant climate change is correct, yet it is unwilling to push energy-use restrictions through Congress because the public does not support this action. The Congressional leadership is taking the coward’s way out.
According to a new Pew Poll released last week, for the U.S. population as a whole, only 47% believe that the earth is warming due to man made causes. Democrats are likeliest to believe this (58%) and Republicans least likely (27%) with Independents split right down the middle (50%).
Although most Democrats believe man is the culprit, they don’t take the crime too seriously. When asked to prioritize global warming among the many concerns that face Americans — everything from terrorism to crime to government ethics — global warming comes in 15th out of 21. Independents take a dimmer view, ranking global warming the 18th most important issue, and Republicans rank it last, as the 21st most important.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/05/15/solomon.aspx
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Interesting. I thought that skeptics were voices crying in the wilderness.
” Interesting. I thought that skeptics were voices crying in the wilderness.”
And you were right. Study long you study wrong.
Hey editors?
It’s been a REAL long time since you told us how your little blog is fairing.
News you’d rather not comment on?
I’d bet my hands that hits have gone down. And I mean WAY down.
Certainly we notice the absence of many long time posters.
At one time, you HAD a pretty good blog here.
Be a shame if some enterprising poster took the best of what is left of it and started a new blog somewhere else…
Once again BlueJay/JR uses the anonymity of the blog instead of the adult approach. Email, write, or call the editor of the weblog JR if you have a problem with it. Better yet, if you are so disgusted, why don’t you just leave?
Let those of us who choose to post here remain
without your juvenile posts.
Nah James. It seems to have become a battle of who can drive who off.
Now, I don’t have the free time of some of the con posters for that game.
But I’m game.
HR 980 requires states to allow public safety employees to form unions.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bill=h110-980
Now, you Libs who put all your faith in Nanny Government to take care of you, somehow see the need for a union for employees of such a benevolent Nanny Government?
I’m confused. Why would there be the NEED for a Union if your employer is the Nanny Government?
Do you trust Government or not?
Well it won’t be the first Max. The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is the largest federal employee union representing 600000 federal employees.
Another reason masochistic Kansasns will vote for Mccain:
“Sen. John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican nominee for president, urged the Air Force last year to disregard the subsidy issue for the tanker award. McCain, of Arizona, led an effort nearly five years ago that derailed an abortive $23.5 billion Air Force plan to lease then buy 100 modified Boeing 767s as tankers
They must not trust Government to pay them Fair Wages and Fair Benefits!
Or is the Union asking for MORE THEN THEIR FAIR SHARE?
JR wants someone to drive him off.
Wrong blog for that boy!
Now it’s just getting sad.
Yesterday’s Washington Post, riding along with Hillary yesterday in West Virginia:
2:57 p.m., Yeager Airport, Charleston, W.Va.: A steep descent brings Clinton’s plane to Charleston’s hilltop airport. After an appropriate wait, she steps from the plane and pretends to wave to a crowd of supporters; in fact, she is waving to 10 photographers underneath the airplane’s wing. She pretends to spot an old friend in the crowd, points and gives another wave; in fact, she is waving at an aide she had been talking with on the plane minutes earlier.
Maybe Hillary was waving at Harvey (the giant rabbit) and his family.
Well Barack Obama was 30 miles from me. Even with the bush gas prices, I could have made it out to see him. I passed.
I see enough Republicans every day.
Moneky, she’s not going to be the nominee. She isnt hindering obama in any way. She’s not stopping him from doing or saying a damn thing.
Why do you want to keep hammering her?
Hillary Hatred?
If you dont get help at Charter, please get help somewhere…
And you gotta know, if Hillary HAD quit early?
Then the HillaryHaters would have bashed her for being a quiter and not “staying the course”.
Obama is all yours. Let’s see you get him elected.
Obama isn’t Bush and he isn’t Hillary!
So?
I’d like to know how much Obama thinks his Global Poverty Act is going to cost US Taxpayers.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c110query.html (Look-up S 2433 Introduced by OBAMA)
The Global Poverty Acts calls mandates “the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal”.
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/goals.html (UN Milleninium Goals)
Elimination of World Poverty. Hmmm…how much does that cost? Sounds like an expansion of the failed LBJ plan from the 1960’s. 50 years later, still the same poverty rate in the USA.
Obama wants to take an unsuccessful National Poverty Plan and expand it to The Whole Wide World! (THAT should help balance the US Budget!)
And might I say here, on the open thread, how deeply sorry I am to see Steven Davis leave this blog. He is an extraordinary human being, a great friend, and one of the best posters here. He has honestly worked to make the blog better. Yes, he has his breaking points like all of us do, but he did work tirelessly to bridge the gaps between posters. His posts were always interesting and thoughtful. He was invested in making this blog better.
I dont imagine he is reading here but if he is, I hope he reconsiders his decision to leave. Maybe a break, but please, not a total departure.
He is already missed, at least by me.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1 John 4:1
My loved ones, do not put your faith in every spirit, but put them to the test, to see if they are from God: because a great number of false prophets have gone out into the world
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly put forward wrong teachings for your destruction, even turning away from the Lord who gave himself for them; whose destruction will come quickly, and they themselves will be the cause of it.
2 Corinthians 11:13
For such men are false Apostles, workers of deceit, making themselves seem like Apostles of Christ.
Revelation 2:2
have knowledge of your doings, and of your hard work and long waiting, and that you will not put up with evil men, and have put to the test those who say they are Apostles and are not, and have seen that they are false;
“Regular” –
Did the Corinthians ever write back?
Well there MonkeyHawk, the letters to the Corinthians was more or less like a letter of reprimand to the Christian community, to straighten up and follow the teachings of Christ.
It is still used as a guidance for Christian churches.
So in a way, it’s the ultimate chain letter.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?
What does it say for people who put their trust in a book commissioned by a King in the 17th Century, and those who cling to its language? Do they not know that King James commissioned his “Bible” so that the people could hear the Scripture in a language format that was common to all people?
Certainly nobody in the 21st Century still speaks the English of King James VI, of 17th Century England!
“SquarePeg” asserts –
“Certainly nobody in the 21st Century still speaks the English of King James VI, of 17th Century England!”
Verily, verily, I say unto thee: Thou shalt taketh not thy predilections in vain.
A lot of what I’ve been saying about the bushonomy is in this article.
Economic ‘misery’ more widespread
Some experts argue that true inflation and unemployment - the components of the economy’s ‘Misery Index’ - are higher than the government’s official figures.
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Consumers seeing gas prices soar have trouble believing relatively tame government inflation readings. Some critics argue they’re right to doubt the numbers.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Americans are feeling a lot more economic pain than the government’s official statistics would lead you to believe, according to a growing number of experts.
They argue that figures for unemployment and inflation are being understated by the government.
Unemployment and inflation are typically added together to come up with a so-called “Misery Index.”
The “Misery Index” was often cited during periods of high unemployment and inflation, such as the mid 1970s and late 1970s to early 1980s.
And some fear the economy may be approaching those levels again.
The official numbers produce a current Misery Index of only 8.9 - inflation of 3.9% plus unemployment of 5%. That’s not far from the Misery Index’s low of 6.1 seen in 1998.
But using the estimates on CPI and unemployment from economists skeptical of the government numbers, the Misery Index is actually in the teens. Some worry it could even approach the post-World War II record of 20.6 in 1980.
“We’re looking at government numbers that are really out of whack,” said Kevin Phillips, author of the book “Bad Money.”
No inflation if you don’t eat or drive
According to the government’s most recent Consumer Price Index, a key inflation reading, consumer prices rose 3.9% in the 12 months ending in April, down slightly from the 4% annual inflation rate in March despite record gasoline prices.
But Phillips argues that consumer prices are probably up at least 5% and perhaps more than 10%.
Part of the disconnect may be due to the fact that nondurable goods, such as food and gasoline, makes up only 12% of CPI.
In addition, food and energy prices are eliminated from the so-called core CPI, which many economists tend to focus more closely on because they claim food and gas prices are volatile.
But food and energy costs are a very important part of household budgets. And those prices have been skyrocketing: Gas prices were up about 21% over the 12 months ending in April.
However, due to seasonal adjustments in the CPI, the government reported that gas prices were down 2% in April, even though on a non-adjusted basis, gas prices rose 5.6% from March.
And even that number may be too low. Measures of gasoline prices by AAA and the Department of Energy suggested prices rose as much as 10% in April.
Meanwhile, food prices rose 5.1% over the last 12 months, according to the report. The nearly 1% one-month jump in food prices in April was the biggest spike in 18 years.
To that end, nearly half of the respondents of a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said inflation was the biggest problem they face.
CPI missed the housing bubble…and bust
Another problem with the CPI figures, according to skeptics, is that it doesn’t accurately reflect what’s going on in the housing market. That’s significant because the cost of buying a home has twice the impact on CPI as does the prices of all nondurable goods combined.
The CPI showed only an 11% rise in home ownership costs from 2002 through 2006, a time that the National Association of Realtors reported that existing home prices soared 34%.
The reason for the low CPI reading is because the CPI looks at equivalent rents, rather than home prices. So inflation was understated during this period, according to Phillips. He argues this may have helped feed the housing boom since it kept mortgage rates lower than they should have been.
Now that the housing boom has gone bust, the CPI appears to be missing the declines in home prices as well; it estimates that the cost of owning a home posted a 12-month increase of 2.6% in April.
But because the CPI figure was so far behind tracking the increase in home values, the housing component of CPI still is leading to a lower inflation reading than what it should be, Phillips said.
The inflation ‘con job’
The unusual way that housing prices are estimated isn’t the only peculiarity of the CPI report. Over the past ten years, there have been other changes in the calculations, particularly for big ticket items.
Cuts to estimated prices for items like electronics and cars that are thought to have improvements in quality year-after-year have lowered the overall CPI. In addition, changes in the way certain products, such as food, are tracked by the government, have also contributed to lower readings than otherwise expected.
Bill Gross, the manager of Pimco Total Return, the nation’s largest bond fund, refers to the CPI as a “con job” that deliberately understates the price pressures faced by Americans in order to keep Social Security payments and other government costs pegged to the index unduly low.
In a report about the CPI, he noted that some of the adjustments don’t accurately reflect how much consumers pay for goods. Pimco estimates that the changes have shaved more than a percentage point off the CPI.
“Did your new model computer come with a 25% discount from last year’s price?” Gross wrote. “Probably not. What is likely is that you paid about the same price for memory improvements you’ll never use.”
Another flaw with the CPI numbers is that the government now assumes that higher prices for one item will lead consumers to buy more of a substitution item. That may be true. But if people buy fewer steaks and more hamburgers, for example, it’s unrealistic to say that inflation isn’t a problem, skeptics maintain.
“The government can claim there’s no inflation but all they’re measuring is a reduced standard of living,” argues Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital, an investment firm specializing in overseas investments.
With all this in mind, California economist John Williams argues that CPI is understating inflation by at least 3 percentage points and perhaps as much as 7 percentage points. So instead of an annual inflation rate of 4%, the true number could be between 7% and 11%.
Unemployed, but not counted
Finally, there’s the unemployment rate. It was at a relatively low 5% in April. But according to Williams’ Web site, ShadowStats.com, the actual rate may be between 8% and 12% if you use a more accurate reading of those out of work.
Even the government’s own numbers show there are many unemployed people not showing up in the unemployment rate. The official reading does not include 4.8 million people who want to work but haven’t found a job, for example.
Many of these people are dropped from the official calculation because they have become so discouraged from looking without success that they haven’t looked in the previous four weeks. Simply adding those people to the number of unemployed takes the current unemployment rate to 7.8%.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which produces both the CPI and unemployment readings, says changes in both measures were made to more accurately reflect the real world. The BLS also says the changes have resulted in changes of less than 1% for each measure.
Still, the Labor Department’s own broadest measure of unemployment, which includes as jobless those working part-time jobs because they can’t find full-time positions as well as some discouraged job seekers, puts the unemployment rate at 9.2% in April, the highest level for that reading in more than three years.
So if you take that number and add that to the 7% that Williams thinks is a more likely annual inflation rate, you’re looking at a “Misery Index” of 16.2, much worse than the 8.9 you get from the official numbers.
And while that may seem a bit high, it’s probably a more accurate gauge of how bad the economy is for many Americans.
Here you go Squarepants, an update more modern English approach.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (New Life Version)
New Life Version (NLV)
Do not be joined together with those who do not belong to Christ. How can that which is good get along with that which is bad? How can light be in the same place with darkness?
Or:
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
(2 Corinthians 6:14 NKJV)
Here’s the UN Millennium Commitment - $$$$.
Obama’s Global Poverty Act will mandate the US Taxpayer to meet this commitment.
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/docs/UNSD_MDG_Report_2007e.pdf
Success in achieving the MDGs in the poorest and most
disadvantaged countries cannot be achieved by these
countries alone. Developed countries need to deliver
fully on longstanding commitments to achieve the official
development assistance (ODA) target of 0.7 per cent of gross
national income (GNI) by 2015. It requires, in particular, the
Group of 8 industrialized nations to live up to their 2005
pledge to double aid to Africa by 2010 and European Union
Member States to allocate 0.7 per cent of GNI to ODA by
2015. In spite of these commitments, ODA declined between
2005 and 2006 and is expected to continue to fall slightly in
2007 as debt relief declines.
” to live up to their 2005
pledge”
Who made that pledge? The Democrat who was president in 2005? OOPS!
Max,
It’s also a ruse for the GORACLE and his followers to get their grub hands into the World Bank pot that will be accumulating the monies.
You know it will happen - already there are countries robbed of precious economic and agricultural subsidizing because Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.
Do we ever wonder why we are to be so frightened of and by so-called “terrorists” when Burma…sorry Myanmar and China are dealing with what they/we should be more frightened of which is, The Creator/creation itself? This doesn’t include the numerous other earthquakes and volcanic activity that’s going on right now.
If there are still any truly “God-fearing” people left, they aren’t scared of any of it.
Hmmm Hud spelled backwards is — Duh!! LOL
Regular says (or cuts/pastes) >>>>
“Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.”
I think that needs some kind of link for support — Cause I think thats a false statement… I could be wrong now, but I dont think so!!
US National Income is $9.78 TRILLION.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gro_nat_inc-economy-gross-national-income
Obama’s Blobal Poverty Act (S 2433) would send 0.7% of our National Income to “Poor” Countries, EVERY YEAR!
(0.7% x $9.78 TRILLION = $68.46 BILLION)
So, Obama’s Plan is to steal $68.46 BILLION from US taxpayers every year to give to other countries.
And you Libs btich about the cost of Iraq & btich about the National Deficit & btich about the National Debt!
Great Plan Obama!
(Chas, please check my math)
“Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.”
Actually, we scientists ARE concerned about the starvation and desease that are exacerbated by desertification and other manifestations of climate change. Rainfall pattern disruption is very hard on agriculture - just ask Australia.
Those Communists in Myanmar are not acting properly — However, they ARE acting in a sort of self-defense mode — They have told their people that the government can provide for their needs — IF they now accept more than a nominal amount of foreign assistance, they believe, in their demented way, that they open their country to a Revolution, since the people would — rightly — call them liars!!
Just a thought….
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink
Regular says (or cuts/pastes) >>>>
“Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.”
I think that needs some kind of link for support — Cause I think thats a false statement… I could be wrong now, but I dont think so!!
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Checked the Carbon Credit market lately?
I watched McCain’s speech today, and found out he is the second coming of Christ, Batman, Superman and maybe even Elvis. According to him, all the world’s woes will end during his first four years. There will be no hungry mouths, no poverty, disease will be wiped out. There will be a chicken in every pot, and fuel will cost $0.10 a gallon again(Hey, I made that up . . . shoot me:-).
Video here for all who want to watch neocon history being made:
http://blogsforjohnmccain.com/mccain-plans-1st-term-end-iraq-war-and-end-osama-bin-laden-video-51508
Chas - the MILITARY rulers of Myanmar are NOT Communist. On the other hand, the Communists in China have welcomed aid.
OK Ben — my bad — I thought the Myanmar regime was communist too… Yes, I noticed that China is welcoming foreign assistance in their disasters… strange, huh??
Regular — Your response doesnt LOOK like a link of any kind… Do you not have one to support your statement?? Or are you just trying your usual diversions??
Questions don’t need links Chas.
I am not talking about your question —
Regular says (or cuts/pastes) >>>>
“Climate Alarmists have put more weight on a 1.4 degree temperature rise than the starving and the diseased.”
YOU made this statement… or cut/pasted it…
I asked for a link to back it up… Now, do you have one, or are you just trying to create another one of your stupid diversions??
“(0.7% x $9.78 TRILLION = $68.46 BILLION)”
Hey Max, I’m no math wizard, but how much will Obama be sending if you put a minus sign in front of that 9.78 trillion?
Is it national income as in gross domestic product, or a percentage of our national debt?
It’s called an informed opinion Chas.
Do your own leg work.
The Iraq war has , or will, cost this country 3 trillion dollars. damn near one third of Max’s U.S. national income. And he’s bitchin’ about sending 68 billion to help other countries? According to Max’s logic, we should just go in and snuff everybody in the other countries, I guess.
If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money to a country that needs it to help feed its people, stave off invading forces or help it climb out of dept and grow on its own, I got no problem with it. If my country, the one I fought for, decides people in this country need money to help them through tough times, such as layoffs, jobs moving to other countries, rural areas where there is little if any hope for a good job, I, again, have no problem with that. If my country, the one I fought for, decides humans are not just numbers, and starts treating them as humans, I, again, have no problem with that.
I would much rather have my tax money go to help people in need, then to see it wasted on war in Iraq. I would rather see my tax money go to real life protection against terrorism, then to see it wasted on an overblown, politically controlled Dept of Homeland Security. I would rather see this country, the one I fought for, become, again, a country ruled of the people, by the people, and for the people, then to see it going down in flames and controlled by big business, as it is now.
And that, Max, is my opinion, and I really could care less about your “it’s my money, and I want it now” micro-logic.
noooooooooooooooooooooo gay marriage legal in kkkalifornia its the end of the republic ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I just heard it am 1330
“Investigators have concluded that two military helicopters were vandalized on the production line at a Boeing factory near Philadelphia, the Defense Department said Thursday as it offered a reward in the case.”
Probably done by those evil CEOS
Why JMWalker, I’m shocked!
You want to send 68 billion dollars a year to other countries and deny the children of the U.S. Health Insurance which was 35 billion over a five year period?
Regular — lacking a link to support your statement, I must consider it to be a false conjecture, and just arm flailing from the Right Wing. Thank you! BTW, dont ask me for links anymore, if you arent willing to provide same…
Since you know nothing from which I wrote Chas, your conclusion that it is false is entirely a precipitate of gray matters leaking from your ears which led you to a conclusion that wind rushing past your ears is the same as thinking.
“If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money”
If my country, which I also fought for (which sounds sorta stupid, but thought I’d repeat it for the benefit of the original poster), decides
to pay off the 9 trillion dollar debt - instead of
writing more IOU’s to send bad checks abroad,
then I have no problem with that.
When all you morons realize we HAVE NO MORE MONEY for adventure spending abroad (war or for peace), then there might be hope for this nation.
Uh huh — Just as I stated above — Just another Ad Hominem diversion from your statement, which you now prove you cannot back up… You are just flaming against Global Warming, by attempting to suggest that people are more concerned with GW, than with the health of people — which of course, is just ludicrous!!
jimmymac, aka Regular, is not a credible source.
After I posted,
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-09-13a.asp
jimmymac posted,
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f/#comment-239958
“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports.
You will find that the Army Corp of Engineers had to delay projects and subsequently lost the funding for those projects for those Fiscal years.
The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
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Later, jimmymac basically copy/pasted some snips similar to my
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’ link.
And… added a bogus, false, fictional ending paragraph.
jimmymac had nothing from the “Congressional Record”.
jimmymac had no “Justice Department reports”.
The people who filed a lawsuit against the Corps disagree with little jimmymac — there’s no mention of the Sierra Club.
‘Judge tosses Katrina lawsuit against Engineer Corps’
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30257740
The judge seemed to agree with the plaintiffs, but the Corps is protected by a 1928 law.
jimmymac, aka Regular, is a liar.
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
Why JMWalker, I’m shocked!
You want to send 68 billion dollars a year to other countries and deny the children of the U.S. Health Insurance which was 35 billion over a five year period?
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O, ya, forgot: Health insurance for every child under eighteen years of age, paid for with tax money if need be.
That unshock you, reg?
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American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
“If my country, the one I fought for, decides to send money”
If my country, which I also fought for (which sounds sorta stupid, but thought I’d repeat it for the benefit of the original poster), decides
to pay off the 9 trillion dollar debt - instead of
writing more IOU’s to send bad checks abroad,
then I have no problem with that.
When all you morons realize we HAVE NO MORE MONEY for adventure spending abroad (war or for peace), then there might be hope for this nation.
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So what the hell are we doing in Iraq, fellow moron, creating a democracy?
cosmos is an informed poster.
cosmos is perpetually flatulent in three languages, GORACLE, ALARMINIAN and SIERRACLUBASHIA.
As cosmos gas bags his way through life on the razor sharp slide of methane buttocks edge technology, one can only surmise that cosmos has seen the mountain top and found snow yellow and his cornflakes saturated with same.
annie_moose
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
noooooooooooooooooooooo gay marriage legal in kkkalifornia its the end of the republic ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I just heard it am 1330
You heard it correctly. THe California Supreme court rule 4/3 that to deny Same sex marriages was onconstitutional. SO, four judges overruled the will of the people of California which voted the opposite way. NOw, whether or not you consider that a good think depends, I suspect, on your ideology. And since it was by a majority of one, one person actually made the decision for all. I guess you call that representative government. ANd if you agree with 4/3 majority in this case, how do you deligitimize 5/4 decisions by the US Supreme COurt? Only by hypocritical logic.
As for me, the State of California should have granted same sex marriages.But then, it would have been in violaiton of the will of the people. Didn;t I just see a post about by the people, for the people?
Why are you asking me? I don’t claim, and never have posted that I have the answer for that one.
It’s all waste to me. Whether it’s sending our guns and military to shoot people, or sending rice or wheat to starving biafrica.
We are freakin’ BROKE!!
Let me ask you, do you go buy a new Lexus when you can only afford a Ford Fuk-us?
If you don’t have any money in the bank, do you continue to write checks?
That is exactly what our nation is doing. Worse, they are writing checks on the non-existing accounts of our future grand children and great grand children.
It’s nice to WANT to help. It’s quite another to continue writing bad checks.
jimmymac supports his lies by using false ad hominems.
jimmymac had nothing from the “Congressional Record”.
jimmymac had no “Justice Department reports”.
The people who filed a lawsuit against the Corps disagree with little jimmymac — there’s no mention of the Sierra Club.
Reguliar is flailing his arms with saliva dripping out his mouth.
Somebody must’ve caught him in another lie and called him on it.
Too funny!
Sierra Club did not prevent the Corps from using a ‘T’ foundation instead of the insufficient ‘L’ foundation they actually used. That was a decision made solely by the Corps.
Sierra Club did NOT force the Corps to strip away protective marshes - in fact Sierra Club protested that action by the Corps.
Sierra Club did not act to lower the level of New Orleans. The Corps did - and Sierra clb protested that action.
Geomorphology would be a better discipline to the problems of flooding than Corps Engineering.
cosmos has just written in fluent SIERRACLUBASHIAN.
Perhaps cosmos will grace us later with some butt trumpeting in articulated GORACLE or ALARMINIAN?
Walker you will see I am consistent with my logic.
I know we cannot afford the war in Iraq and also know, for the same reasons we cannot afford to be creating MORE debt sending other kinds of aid overseas.
I don’t make a statement that contradicts and is logically incongruous.
There is no money honey. For your pet projects nor anyone else’s.
Amway, I understand what you are saying, but this country runs on debt. It is not a business, it is a republic form of government. Running the country debt free is not going to happen. Clinton was supposed to have left this country with a surplus. Not true. Fancy bookwork was all that was.
Your comment, “It’s all waste to me. Whether it’s sending our guns and military to shoot people, or sending rice or wheat to starving biafrica.” bothers me. Sending rice or wheat to starving people is the Christian thing to do, and you republicans are insisting this is a Christian nation. So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?
As much as you would like, you really can’t have it both ways. We are in debt, and probably always will be, but ignoring the rest of the world when we have the ability to feed it, assuming of course we stop this corn for fuel nonsense, is just plain wrong on too many levels.
So here we are….
I still have not heard anything from anyone Chas.
Human-caused global warming will not warm the Earth uniformly.
‘Global warming will negatively impact tropical species, study shows’
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/global-warming-will-negatively-49641.aspx
“According to climate predictions, more rapid rates of warming of the Earth’s surface will occur in the higher latitudes, especially in the polar regions, than at the equator, Deutsch said.
“You would think a larger warming in Alaska would have a greater impact on the organisms living there than a much smaller increase in, say, Panama or Costa Rica,” he said. “We found the opposite will be true. A 1-degree temperature change in Panama will not be felt the same way by an organism as a 1-degree temperature change in Alaska.”
The range of temperature tolerance that an organism has is largely dependent on how much temperature variability it experiences. In the tropics, the amount of temperature variability is very small; there is little difference between summer and winter, while in Alaska, the seasons are dramatically different.”
“So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?”
I don’t believe I ever said this is a Christian nation.
The piggy bank has already been broken open. The pennies are all gone. The cookie jar is empty.
You are saying “compassion” is a good reason to continue to put our nation, our children, and their children in hock.
You can’t be mad about the cost of the War in Iraq, and turn around and say we have money to
blow on a social/christian heartfelt cause.
There is no money honey. You continue to make statements which contradict and is logically incongruous.
Square Peg, Gotta quibble with your post: James was James the Sixth of Scotland. But when Elizabeth the First died, he became King of England as James the First.
For us anglophiles, the worst thing that ever happened was when so many churches switched from the soaring poetry of the KJV to the mundane ordinariness of the RSV.
Some scholars now believe that Shakespeare might have been part of a team that translated the Latin “Vulgate” Bible into what became the KJV. Prominent writers who knew Latin (virtually all of them) worked on various passages.
Nathan,
Nothing from the Head of the Chaplain Corps yet Chas? Have you had your Article 31 hearing yet?
I’m sorry Chas has put in such perilous condition.
Talk about screwing a Veteran!
Walker,
you really can’t have it both ways either.
Nothing personal, but the bank refused your check too.
American Way,
Besides the fact that the question “So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?” presents a false dilemma.
We can be a broke Christian Nation.
************ Corrected Copy*********
Nathan,
Nothing from the Head of the Chaplain Corps yet? Have you had your Article 31 hearing yet?
I’m sorry Chas has put you in such perilous condition. Talk about screwing a Veteran!
(Trying to type and fight off the Yorkie at the same time.)
Yes, CapN - you’re right — And yes, many scholars believe Shakespeare had a major role in working out the translations, especially in the poetry sections, of the KJV… And yes, it does “ring” better when read aloud in larger Cathedral type buildings, that have little or no benefit of sound systems — Good post, CapN
“We can be a broke Christian Nation.”
Well said Gunny.
CapN — I sometimes get my Roman Numerals all mixed up when it comes to British Royalty!! LOL
Capn asked Square Peg a question and Chas answered not once but twice.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Greens vs. Levees
Destructive river-management philosophy.
By John Berlau
With all that has happened in the state, it’s understandable that the Louisiana chapter of the Sierra Club may not have updated its website. But when its members get around to it, they may want to change the wording of one item in particular. The site brags that the group is “working to keep the Atchafalaya Basin,” which adjoins the Mississippi River not far from New Orleans, “wet and wild.”
These words may seem especially inappropriate after the breaking of the levee that caused the tragic events in New Orleans last week. But “wet and wild” has a larger significance in light of those events, and so does the group using the phrase. The national Sierra Club was one of several environmental groups who sued the Army Corps of Engineers to stop a 1996 plan to raise and fortify Mississippi River levees.
The Army Corps was planning to upgrade 303 miles of levees along the river in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas. This was needed, a Corps spokesman told the Baton Rouge, La., newspaper The Advocate, because “a failure could wreak catastrophic consequences on Louisiana and Mississippi which the states would be decades in overcoming, if they overcame them at all.”
But a suit filed by environmental groups at the U.S. District Court in New Orleans claimed the Corps had not looked at “the impact on bottomland hardwood wetlands.” The lawsuit stated, “Bottomland hardwood forests must be protected and restored if the Louisiana black bear is to survive as a species, and if we are to ensure continued support for source population of all birds breeding in the lower Mississippi River valley.” In addition to the Sierra Club, other parties to the suit were the group American Rivers, the Mississippi River Basin Alliance, and the Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi Wildlife Federations.
The lawsuit was settled in 1997 with the Corps agreeing to hold off on some work while doing an additional two-year environmental impact study. Whether this delay directly affected the levees that broke in New Orleans is difficult to ascertain.
But it is just one illustration of a destructive river-management philosophy that took hold in the ‘90s, influenced the Clinton administration, and had serious policy consequences. Put simply, it’s impossible to understand the delays in building levees without being aware of the opposition of the environmental groups to dams, levees, and anything that interfered with the “natural” river flow. The group American Rivers, which leads coalitions of eco-groups on river policy, has for years actually called its campaign, “Rivers Unplugged.”
Over the past few years, levees came to occupy the same status for environmental groups as roads in forests — an artificial barrier to nature. They frequently campaigned against levees being built and shored up on the nation’s rivers, including on the Mississippi.
(duh Congressional Record)In 2000, American Rivers’ Mississippi River Regional Representative Jeffrey Stein complained in a congressional hearing that the river’s “levees that temporarily protect floodplain farms have reduced the frequency, extent and magnitude of high flows, robbing the river of its ability … to sustain itself.” Similarly, the National Audubon Society, referring specifically to Louisiana, has this statement slamming levees on its website, “Levees have cut off freshwater flows, harming fishing and creating salt water intrusion.” The left-leaning Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, in describing a grant it gave to Environmental Defense, blasted “the numerous levees and canals built on the lower Mississippi River” because “such structures disrupt the natural flows of the Mississippi River’s sediments.”
Some went beyond opposition to building or repairing levees. At an Army Corps of Engineers meeting concerning the Mississippi River in 2002, Audubon official Dan McGuiness even recommended “looking at opportunities to lower or remove levees [emphasis added]” from the river.
The groups argued that the “natural” way would lead to better river management, but it was clear they had other agendas in mind besides flood control. They were concerned because levees were allegedly threatening their beloved exotic animals and plants. In his testimony, American Rivers’s Stein noted that the Mississippi River was home to “double-crested cormorant, rare orchids, and many other species,” which he implied were put at risk by man-made levees.
So far the environmental movement’s role in the events leading to the flooding has been little discussed. One exception is former Rep. Bob Livingston (R., La.), who told Fox News on Saturday that environmentalists were one of the major reasons levee projects were held up.
At this point, there are still questions about the particular levees that broke in New Orleans. Care should be taken about drawing direct conclusions about the causes until there are more facts. But there are some important points that are clear that should put in perspective about levee funding and flood control
Nearly all flood-control projects — even relatively small ones — are subject to a variety of assessments for effects on wetlands, endangered species, and other environmental concerns. These reviews can be costly and delay projects by years. In the ‘90s, for instance, the Clinton administration’s Environmental Protection Agency required a comprehensive environmental impact statement just to repair a few Colorado River levees that had been destroyed in the floods of 1993.
The Clinton administration would frequently side with environmentalists on flood-control projects, even against local Democrats. The Army Corps of Engineers under Clinton began implementing a planned “spring rise” of the Missouri River that would raise water levels on the Missouri River during part of the year. This was supported by eco-groups, who argued that this restored the river’s natural flows and protected a bird called the piping plover. But farm groups and others said that combined with the ice melting from winter, the project could increase the risk of flooding in river communities and affect more than 1 million acres of productive farmland. Nearly all the Republicans and Democrats in Missouri’s congressional delegation opposed the plan, as did Missouri’s late Democratic governor, Mel Carnahan. But the Clinton administration refused to budge, and this was a major factor in Bush’s carrying of Missouri in 2000.
The Bush administration’s flood-control efforts were often relentlessly opposed by environmental groups, and this opposition was frequently echoed by liberal activists and in the press. Bush kept his promise, and his appointees at the Corps of Engineers have stopped the “spring rise” plan that concerned so many about flooding. Environmentalists launched a barrage of criticism and a series of lawsuits. This was also the case with Bush’s moves to stop the Clinton administration’s plans to breach the dams on the Columbia and Snake Rivers in the northwest. Even though the dams greatly help to control flooding in the region, American Rivers blasted the administration for failing to do enough to save the sockeye salmon native to the region.
Ironically, among those criticizing Bush for his actions to prevent flooding of the Missouri River was the ever-present anti-Bush environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He chastised Bush in 2004 for “managing the flow of the Missouri River.” If, before Katrina, Bush had proceeded full-speed ahead and fortified the levees of the Mississippi for a Category 5 hurricane, Kennedy and others of his ilk would very likely have criticized Bush for trying to manage the natural flow of the Mississippi. And it’s a good bet that many of the lefty bloggers now critical of Bush for not reinforcing the levees would have cited Bush’s levee fortification as another way he was despoiling the natural environment.
I quite agreed with Square Peg, so, it is my bad for not finding the error sooner!! My history studies only included nominal British History — much to my own detriment… Such a wonderful body of knowledge and history!!
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink
Capn asked Square Peg a question and Chas answered not once but twice.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Yah, and Chas said he was confused about Squarepeg’s roman numeral usage.
B U S T E D
A G A I N
“And it’s a good bet that many of the lefty bloggers now critical of Bush for not reinforcing the levees would have cited Bush’s levee fortification as another way he was despoiling the natural environment.”
Probably so Regular. I still think rebuilding the levee system is the wrong solution. It will flood again.
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
I did a quick scan and couldn’t find a post today in reference to Capn America’s post to him.
Oh well. Capn was probably referring to another day and another post. Chas was probably just being friendly to Capn by responding. Twice.
Amway, GDP vs GNI:
In recent years, the World Bank like other international financial
institutions have been using GNI more frequently as a measure of national
income in international economic comparisons. Why ?
In order to understand this, we need to know first of all what GNI is. Well,
basically it is just a new acronym for the good old Gross National Product
we used to know, which in the 1970s was largely abandoned in favour of GDP.
The rationale given for the change in wording is that GNI is considered more
a concept of “income” rather than a “product measure” (sic.).
Officially, GNI equals GDP (the sum of value added by all resident
producers in the sphere of production) PLUS any product taxes
(less subsidies) not already included in the valuation of net output, PLUS
net receipts of primary income (compensation of employees and
profits) from abroad.
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2003w37/msg00122.htm
“You lying POS”
Chas I need to know if that was a deliberate useage of the CAP LOCKS, or was that the result of a sudden electrical impulse to your brain?
It’s a fair question based upon your own explanation before on the use of the capitalization
in your sentence structure.
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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Wrong again!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Chaplain_Corps
James, WHY do you insist on lying??
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
CapN — I sometimes get my Roman Numerals all mixed up when it comes to British Royalty!! LOL
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I said nothing about Square Peg or his use of Roman Numerals, or being confused about it… I said, as is clear above, that I get them mixed up with reference to British Royalty… I have no clue why Square Peg posted wrongly…
Hell, I do believe I can react to Square Peg’s post, and still NOT BE HIM… What a lying SOB you are James!!
CapN found an error that I didnt see!! Good job, CapN!!
Does anyone here know Chas personally?
I’m concerned for his health. Stroke victims often have repeated episodes. Chas is all alone, so if anyone knows him please contact him and make sure he is o.k..
I’d hate to have to hear of someone waiting too long and then having to call a priest.
Thanks
JMWalker
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
The Iraq war has , or will, cost this country 3 trillion dollars.
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Where’s the link to your source?
Chas
“AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps.”
Hey Chas, I was on line the night you originally made the threat against Nathan and his career.
It doesn’t matter what I know from my military experience. It matters in that I believe you, yourself used the term, “Chaplain Corps” at that time.
Am I mistaken? Sorry if I am.
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
I did a quick scan and couldn’t find a post today in reference to Capn America’s post to him.
Oh well. Capn was probably referring to another day and another post. Chas was probably just being friendly to Capn by responding. Twice.
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SquarePeg
Posted May 15, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
What does it say for people who put their trust in a book commissioned by a King in the 17th Century, and those who cling to its language? Do they not know that King James commissioned his “Bible” so that the people could hear the Scripture in a language format that was common to all people?
Certainly nobody in the 21st Century still speaks the English of King James VI, of 17th Century England!
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CapnAmerica
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink
Square Peg, Gotta quibble with your post: James was James the Sixth of Scotland. But when Elizabeth the First died, he became King of England as James the First.
For us anglophiles, the worst thing that ever happened was when so many churches switched from the soaring poetry of the KJV to the mundane ordinariness of the RSV.
Some scholars now believe that Shakespeare might have been part of a team that translated the Latin “Vulgate” Bible into what became the KJV. Prominent writers who knew Latin (virtually all of them) worked on various passages.
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Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
CapN — I sometimes get my Roman Numerals all mixed up when it comes to British Royalty!! LOL
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We have a bingo!
Hold your cards folks.
Actually, I didn’t ask anybody a question.
I made a comment about Square Peg’s post, which Chas then commented on.
Nothing to see here.
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
It’s nice to WANT to help. It’s quite another to continue writing bad checks.
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It’s one thing to write a check from your own back pocket, and quite a different thing to express your generousity with a check from someone elses back pocket.
What’s everyone paying for their share of the pie today?
Max posted:
” GNI equals GDP (the sum of value added by all resident producers in the sphere of production) PLUS any product taxes (less subsidies) not already included in the valuation of net output, PLUS net receipts of primary income (compensation of employees and profits) from abroad.”
My response: “Right.”
What’s a cubit?
(Bill Cosby’s Noah Story)
Amway YES you are wrong!! I made no mention of any Chaplains Corps… There is none!! Geez!! Cant even read, huh??
American Way,
Steven seemed to be in contact with Chas. Now, with his melt down and leaving the blog, who is left to vouch for Chas?
“Nothing to see here.”
Thanks Capn. I had missed the Square Peg post.
Moving right along…..
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Amway YES you are wrong!! I made no mention of any Chaplains Corps… There is none!! Geez!! Cant even read, huh??
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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Wrong again!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Chaplain_Corps
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and Chas is still wrong!
“Amway YES you are wrong!!”
OK Chas, I must be mistaken. I said sorry already.
But then how did the reference to the head of the chaplain corps get it start?
I know I saw it somewhere immediately after you scared Nathan about his military career.
James says — “We have a bingo!”
WRONG — you marked your card wrong, Dumb A$$
I was commenting on what CapN said… NOT about anything Square Peg said… READ James… READ!!! Otherwise, just STFU!!! You are only trying to cause problems, and created more stupid idiotic diversions!!
Go outside if you want to arm flail… the smell with knock you over indoors!!
Actually, I get my Roman numerals mixed up too.
Henry IV (4) who usurped Richard II is not the same as Henry VI (6) who was usurped by Edward IV.
Queen Mary I (Bloody Mary) is not the same as Mary, Queen of Scots, whose son was the aforementioned James the First.
It doesn’t prove anything about Square Peg and Chas.
I don’t think Chas. would be critical of people “clinging” to Biblical language.
It started with somebody in YOUR gang of goons!!
Same with the scary threat to Nathan’s career, which is also a LIE!!! Just lies, AmWay… All lies!! I made all that clear from the start… So, just DROP IT!! You obviously dont have a clue what you’re spouting about!!
Regular I wasn’t ignoring you. I saw your link the first time, and yes the Chaplain Corps covers the United States Marine Corps as a subset (puking) of the US Navy.
But I really do remember SOMEone posting they had contacted the “Head of the Chaplain Corps”.
I must be getting old.
Chas,
There is that wonderful minister quality of yours again.
Do you tell people to STFU in person or only on the blog?
How about in church?
Do you call people a dumba$$ in church?
Did you use that language in your comlaint about me to whoever you complained to?
CapN - The KJV has its value in public readings… More modern translations are much better for study purposes…
Chas,
You never do answer the question:
Is typing in CAPS a choice or the stroke?
How exactly does your stroke know to make you type in CAPS when you are swearing at us?
American_Way
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
Does anyone here know Chas personally?
I’m concerned for his health. Stroke victims often have repeated episodes. Chas is all alone, so if anyone knows him please contact him and make sure he is o.k..
I’d hate to have to hear of someone waiting too long and then having to call a priest.
Thanks
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I think Square Peg is close to him. (heh heh)
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-424/#comment-336690
Nathan what do YOU think STFU means?? Hmmmm???
I mean, its four letters of the alhabet!!
Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-424/#comment-336690
So I am NOT quite so old!?!
All that is left if for Chas to apologize to me as I did to him (when I was right even).
Waiting (head tilted, examining my fingernails).
tap, tap, tap……….
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You lying POS — Nathan is not in a perilous situation. And, as you ought to know, IF you are really a Vet, there is NO Chaplain Corps. Geez… Lies, Lies, Lies!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Chaplain_Corps
(chortles)
Nathaniel
Posted May 15, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink
American Way,
Besides the fact that the question “So which is it, a broke nation, or a Christian nation?” presents a false dilemma.
We can be a broke Christian Nation
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So, Nathan, being a broke Christian nation absolves us from our Christian duty to help the needy, regardless of country of origin? You see, my duty, as a Christian, is to do what I can to help others in need. I do that through charity and my government. But that’s my way.
AmWay — You definitely have a reading comprehension problem… I said nothing about the head of a chaplains corps… I believe that quote posted by Regular proves that point explicitly… So, you can wait till Hell freezes over for any apology!! Cause I didnt SAY that… And yep, if you think they are the same thing, you must be getting OLD — very OLD!!
Chas,
Please tell us what YOU meant by “STFU”
So was it an intentional use of caps or the stroke????
“All that is left if for Chas to apologize”
I’m sorry, I may have garbled the above line which is surely why I have not heard from Chas.
ALl that is left “is” for Chas to apologize.
Hello? Anyone there? Hellllooooooooooooo!
YOU WHOOOOOOOOOO?
And yes, you are right, the Marine Corps uses Navy Chaplains. Not Marine Chaplains. I dont know WHY, but they do!!
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
AmWay — You definitely have a reading comprehension problem… I said nothing about the head of a chaplains corps… I believe that quote posted by Regular proves that point explicitly… So, you can wait till Hell freezes over for any apology!! Cause I didnt SAY that… And yep, if you think they are the same thing, you must be getting OLD — very OLD!!
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Regular
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-424/#comment-336690
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(GUFAWS)
“do that through charity and my government. But that’s my way.”
Mr. Walker that is sooo wrong! You don’t give your dollars to your government to perform “charity”.
Your dollars are taken from you. Not given freely.
A government requires funding to provide goods and services to the nation. Not to provide charity!
How far to the social left can you swing sir?
JM Walker,
“So, Nathan, being a broke Christian nation absolves us from our Christian duty to help the needy, regardless of country of origin?”
Our Christian duty doesn’t involve the Government in helping others. You can do that just fine on your own or with the help of your fellow Christians.
My point was that your qeustion was a false dilemma, a logical fallacy.
“So, you can wait till Hell freezes over for any apology!!”
O.K. Chas, I apologized to you. But that’s o.k..
Moving on.
Chas
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
And yes, you are right, the Marine Corps uses Navy Chaplains. Not Marine Chaplains. I dont know WHY, but they do!!
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United States Navy Chaplain Corps
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The Chaplain Corps of the United States Navy consists of ordained clergy who are commissioned Naval officers. They serve not only in the Navy, but in the United States Marine Corps and United States Coast Guard as well.
Navy Chaplains “promote the spiritual, religious, moral, and personal well-being of the members of the Department of Navy.” They share in the difficulties and rewards of Navy life. The Chaplain Corps consists of clergy endorsed from ecclesiastical bodies, providing assistance for all sailors. Navy Chaplains come from a variety of religious backgrounds including, but not limited to: Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist. They are assisted by United States Navy enlisted personnel in the Religious Programs Specialist (RP) rating.
Chas,
The Marine Corps is under the Dept of the Navy.
For logistical and practical reasons that is why the Navy provides the Marines Chaplains as well as Corpsman.
Nathan, I had a stroke — I didnt like it much… But it happened… Four years ago on Mother’s Day… In the middle of a restaurant… in downtown Sioux City…. It has left me partially crippled in my left hand, my left foot, and my left arm…
NOW — if you are the heap big Christian you pretend to be, YOU WOULD STOP MAKING FUN OF IT, AND JUST DEAL WITH IT, THE SAME WAY PEOPLE MANAGE TO DEAL WITH WRITER DOG’S STRANGE USE OF WORDS AND GRAMMAR!!
BUT, since I know you arent really the heap big Christian you pretend to be, just knock it off… And maybe, just maybe, look in some hand books on writing, and LEARN that CAPS can and are used for something called EMPHASIS… Idiot!!
Nathaniel
Posted May 15, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Chas,
There is that wonderful minister quality of yours again.
Do you tell people to STFU in person or only on the blog?
How about in church?
Do you call people a dumba$$ in church?
Did you use that language in your comlaint about me to whoever you complained to?
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To answer your question Nathan,
From the church website:
O Christ, hear us.
R. O Christ, hear us dumba$$es.
O God, the Father in heaven,
or whoever or whatever
you conceive God to be:
R. Have mercy upon us,
And help us to STFU!
O God the Son, Redeemer of US dumba$$es:
R. Have mercy upon us,
We are all Nuckin Futs.
O God, the Holy Ghost:
R. Have mercy upon us dumba$$es.
Be gracious unto us.
R. Spare us, good Lord.
Be gracious unto us.
R. Help us, good Lord.
From all sin;
From all error;
From all evil:
R. Good Lord, deliver us dumba$$.
Oh, I forgot:
“Amen”
Universities seek to raise tuition up to 8.7 percent
The Associated Press
TOPEKA, Kan. - Officials at the state’s six universities are proposing tuition increases for the fall of up to 8.7 percent.
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/404870.html
Hang on to your wallets Moms and Dads!
Just in time for the School Bond Issue too!
“So, Obama’s Plan is to steal $68.46 BILLION from US taxpayers every year to give to other countries.”
Max
I think I’ve learned the forumla for the theft of funds from the US taxpayer is based upon GDP, and not the national debt (whew, the math was killing me).
Obama co-sponsored this legislation. I had a link to his comments when I originally posted about this the other day.
Where on earth does Obama think he will get the funding for this? There simply is no money left in the cash register. What about our OWN poor? What about our own lacking healthcare? What about our own crumbling bridges, roads, infrastructure?