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Talk about stumbling your way through an interview. Stewart makes this guy look like a buffoon. The show is also on the link:
No yuks as Stewart presses Iraq War architect on honesty.
Former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, who was at the heart of the Bush administration’s selective cherry-picking of intelligence to make its case for the invasion of Iraq, appeared on The Daily Show on Monday to promote his new book about the run-up to the war.
The central premise of Feith’s book, which he repeated over and over to Jon Stewart, is that although there were errors in some of the administration’s claims about the dangers posed by Saddam Hussein, the people making those statements were not being intentionally dishonest and did not set out to mislead the American public
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Realities_collide_Jon_Stewart_interviews_Douglas_0513.html
Evidence of pure lunacy:
911 operator: ‘I don’t give a sh*t what happens to you’
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/911_operator_I_dont_give_sht_0513.html
Who in the hell authorized this sick mess?
In day 4 of a Washington Post series, Careless Detention, it is revealed that the United States has injected hundreds of foreigners without their consent with dangerous mind-altering drugs for trips returning them to their home countries, according to government documents, medical records, and interviews with some of the actual people who were drugged.
From the report:
The government’s forced use of antipsychotic drugs, in people who have no history of mental illness, includes dozens of cases in which the “pre-flight cocktail,” as a document calls it, had such a potent effect that federal guards needed a wheelchair to move the slumped deportee onto an airplane. “Unsteady gait. Fell onto tarmac,” says a medical note on the deportation of a 38-year-old woman to Costa Rica in late spring 2005. Another detainee was “dragged down the aisle in handcuffs, semi-comatose,” according to an airline crew member’s written account. Repeatedly, documents describe immigration guards “taking down” a reluctant deportee to be tranquilized before heading to an airport. In a Chicago holding cell early one evening in February 2006, five guards piled on top of a 49-year-old man who was angry he was going back to Ecuador, according to a nurse’s account in his deportation file. As they pinned him down so the nurse could punch a needle through his coveralls into his right buttock, one officer stood over him menacingly and taunted, “Nighty-night.” Such episodes are among more than 250 cases The Washington Post has identified in which the government has, without medical reason, given drugs meant to treat serious psychiatric disorders to people it has shipped out of the United States since 2003 — the year the Bush administration handed the job of deportation to the Department of Homeland Security’s new Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE. Involuntary chemical restraint of detainees, unless there is a medical justification, is a violation of some international human rights codes. The practice is banned by several countries where, confidential documents make clear, U.S. escorts have been unable to inject deportees with extra doses of drugs during layovers en route to faraway places. Federal officials have seldom acknowledged publicly that they sedate people for deportation. The few times officials have spoken of the practice, they have understated it, portraying sedation as rare and “an act of last resort.” Neither is true, records and interviews indicate.
The most frequently used drugs in the sedation ‘cocktail’ are haldol, an anti-psychotic medication that “gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals.” Ativan, used to control anxiety, and Cogentin, a medication that supposedly lessens Haldol’s side effects of muscle spasms and rigidity.
The medically recommended dosage for the Haldol alone, from the report:
For aggressive behavior, 0.5 milligrams twice a day to 5 milligrams three times a day, although doses of up to 10 milligrams a day may be used in a hospital emergency room.
The U.S. made flight layovers during some trips with sedated detainees, and as there are foreign nations that forbid the practice, the report also details some run-ins between flight nurses and foreign officials, which in one instance resulted in a detainee being returned to Atlanta, GA from a layover in France.
The full report by the Washington Post’s Amy Goldstein and Dana Priest is available online here.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Detainees_drugged_against_their_will_for_0514.html
Hillary kicked some major ass yesterday.
Don’t count her out yet. Maybe some are coming to realize that the homophobe, Obama, isn’t all his worshipers make him out to be.
“Hillary kicked some major ass yesterday.”
Is she still hanging out at the bars trying to prove she’s “one of the guys”?
She’s such a streotypical politician…will do or say anything to get elected. I have totally lost what little respect I had for her.
People need to read this for no other reason than how this administration cares little for the average American, and insulates business from the consequences of the faulty products foisted off on that same public.
I’m all for lawsuit reform, but this is ridiculous:
WASHINGTON – Faced with an unfriendly Congress, the Bush administration has found another, quieter way to make it more difficult for consumers to sue businesses over faulty products. It’s rewriting the bureaucratic rulebook.
Lawsuit limits have been included in 51 rules proposed or adopted since 2005 by agency bureaucrats governing just about everything Americans use: drugs, cars, railroads, medical devices and food.
Decried by consumer advocates and embraced by industry, the agencies’ use of the government’s rule-making authority represents the administration’s final act in a long-standing drive to shield companies from lawsuits.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080513-1316-limitinglawsuits.html
I read the article J M Walker and the conclusions are all wrong. The woman who sued because an anti-nausea drug was injected into her artery caused a condition for her arm to be amputated.
It is well known in certain medical circles that certain types of medications are caustic when applied outside the tissue for which it is intended.
*One doesn’t put stomach medication in the eyes
*One doesn’t use foot cream in the nose
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
The fault is the medical care provider who was sloppy and injected the drug in the wrong site. Every one who is certified to inject and draw blood knows how to tell if they are in an artery or not. Evidently, the person who did this was reckless and caused a major trauma to the woman.
The tendency of lawyers to sue anyone and everyone associated with the case is sour grapes and is what is wrong with litigious issues.
The drug company did not cause the arm to be amputated because the wrong avenue of injection was done. There is no case there.
The injury portion of the case was caused by the medical care provider who injected the drug into the artery.
Gosh Mary, I meant to mention this to Monkey yesterday too.
I saw obama on tv with his jacket off and his sleeves rolled up and he was shooting pool and working REALLY hard to be seen as one of the guys. I saw that clip multiple times yesterday. Not as many as the awful bowling clip, you know, where he tried in PA to be seen as a regular guy by making an ass of himself bowling.
So.. I’m really sure barack hangs out in pool halls on a regular basis. And bowling alleys.
Just like Hillary hangs out in bars and throws back shots on a regular basis.
So it’s ok for obama, but not ok for Hillary?
I see. Man, do I see.
Reg, what the hell are you talking about?
JMWalker
Posted May 14, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink
Reg, what the hell are you talking about?
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You don’t even read your own articles that you reference J M Walker? Here’s a quote from that article you gave.
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Later this year, the Supreme Court will wade into the issue of federal preemption as it relates to lawsuits and prescription drug labeling. The defendant drugmaker contends it should not be in the lawsuit because the FDA had approved the warning label on the drug.
The company is trying to overturn a $6.8 million award given a woman whose arm had to be amputated after anti-nausea medication was inadvertently injected into an artery.
In some instances, judges seem as exercised as consumer advocates about the FDA’s undermining of lawsuits under state tort law.
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The point being is that the trial lawyers were suing the drug company. The drug company had nothing to do with the screw up by the medical person who injected the drug in the wrong spot.
For you Neocons who just can’t get enough:
http://www.dudehisattva.com/playboycoulter.jpg
Reg, you’re cherry picking as usual, and missing the point of the article. But living in the box you do leaves little wiggle room for free thought.
No JM Walker, you are missing the point. It’s about trial lawyers whining about not being able to sue anyone and everyone from the guy who made the needle to the miner who pulled the minerals out of the ground that the needle is composed of.
The person that should be sued is the one who injected the drug into the artery, not the drug manufacturer.
There are many drugs out there that if injected arterially instead of intravenous will cause harm.
You don’t get it do you Walker?
“The real-world impact of preemption will be on display Wednesday when a congressional committee hears from actor Dennis Quaid and his wife, who have sued a maker of the blood-thinner heparin in Illinois state court.
The Quaids sued after their newborn twins were given massive doses of the blood thinner at a hospital. The Quaids claim the manufacturer was negligent in packaging different doses of the product in similar vials with blue backgrounds. ”
. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.
There will always be bad lawsuits by scumbag trial lawyers, but that hardly calls for making it more difficult for injured parties to collect damages from parties guilty of wrong doing. That is what this administration is doing for no other reason than to protect business from a wronged public.
I get it, alright. You are indeed a republican, with the same principles: birth em, send em on their way, and give em nothing, except the chair.
Now you’re changing horses in mid-stream JMWalker, talking about a completely different case. In that case involving heparin(I think), the packaging may be the fault.
In the case involving injecting a drug in the wrote site, it was clearly the fault of the medical care provider, not the drug manufacture.
Regardless, medical care providers are trained to read labels, not use colors.
Ever look at IV bags? They all look quite similar. However, I’m very sure that dextrose IV solution and saline IV solution have different purposes and the words “Saline and Dextrose” are clearly labeled on the package.
Plus, there are several levels of protection that are supposed to be in place in hospitals to prevent such things such as the second case you cited.
*ability of the medical care provider to be trained and certified on obtaining, prescribing and using said drugs under label direction of the manufacturer.
*that records for drug administration is signed off by more than one person.
**The person issueing the drug
**The physician signing off on the drug for use.
**The technician or nurse or physician administering the drug.
You know JMWalker, anti-freeze is a pretty color of green, just like some of that flavored kool-aid. However, it will shut down your kidneys in a heartbeat if you drink anti-freeze.
Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?
Wow. Here is a great post, simply titled “Coal”
We are bitchin’ in Kansas about the pollution from burning coal, but we dont think much about what the coal companies are willing to do to GET that cheap coal to Holcomb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5962805
Every coal plant that BUYS coal is just as guilty as the Peabodys.
“And Daddy wont you take me back to Muhlenburg County, down by the Green River where Paradise lay.
I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking. Mr. Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away.”
Yeah, read that article kfg and the first thing that caught me was a historical inaccuracy. Sorry, it’s affliction of mine. :D
the forests where Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett roamed, the hills that bred the soldiers who followed Andrew Jackson, the frontier hollows that cradled our democracy, the wilderness wellspring of our values, our virtues, our national character – all being leveled.
The Boone family did not roam the hills of West Virginia. West Virginia wasn’t even a state back then. The Boone family and more specifically Daniel Boone and his less famous brother, Preacher Boone, lived in North Carolina. The reason I know this, is that my ancestral family on my maternal side had land about 10 miles from the Boone settlement in Rowan County North Carolina.
Sorry, but just picking “nits.” :D
It’s useless trying to communicate with you. Again, you miss the whole point. Changing horses? That was not from the same article? An article pointing out the fact this administration is using its position to bypass congress, as usual?
“. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.”
The words “stressed out” are not written lightly. The whole medical profession is stressed out, and mistakes are made. But the article only used the medical side as an example. There’s a whole lot more to it than that, but I doubt you can see that.
“Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?”
Whatever favor I happen to like at the time, not that it’s any of your business.
What kind of cool-aid does one have to drink to become a republican lap-dog of business, and a bane to humanity?
“Sorry, but just picking “nits.””
Big nit.
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
Correct, Ksfrmgrrl.
The old coal mines, bad as they were, seem to be becoming a thing of the past.
Now the coal companies just blow the top off a mountain.
But, you’re thinking, doesn’t that cause massive run-off, flooding, silting of rivers, pollution, destruction of the environment?
Hell, yes.
Actually, he did:
Daniel Boone was born November 2, 1734 in a log cabin in Berks County, near present-day Reading, Pennsylvania. Boone is one of the most famous pioneers in United States history. He spent most of his life exploring and settling the American frontier.
Boone had little formal education, but he did learn the skills of a woodsmen early in life. By age 12 his sharp hunter’s eye and skill with a rifle helped keep his family well provided with wild game. In 1756 Boone married Rebecca Bryan, a pioneer woman with great courage and patience. He spent most of the next ten years hunting and farming to feed his family. In 1769 a trader and old friend, John Findley, visited Boone’s cabin. Findley was looking for an overland route to Kentucky and needed a skilled woodsman to guide him. In 1769 Boone, Findley and five men traveled along wilderness trails and through the Cumberland gap in the Appalachian mountains into Kentucky. They found a “hunter’s paradise” filled with buffalo, deer, wild turkey and meadows ideal for farming. Boone vowed to return with his family one day.
In 1775 Boone and 30 other woodsmen were hired to improve the trails between the Carolinas and the west. The resulting route reached into the heart of Kentucky and became known as the “Wilderness Road.” That same year Boone built a fort and village called Boonesborough in Kentucky, and moved his family over the Wilderness Trail to their new home.
Boone had numerous encounters with the native people of Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. In 1776, Shawnee warriors kidnapped his daughter and two other girls. Two days later Boone caught up with the Indians and through surprise attack rescued the girls. In 1778, he was captured by another band of Shawnee. Boone learned that the tribe was planning an attack on Boonesborough. He negotiated a settlement with Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee, preventing the attack. The Indians admired their captive for his skill as a hunter and woodsman and adopted him into their tribe as a son of Blackfish. He escaped when he learned the Shawnee, at the instigation of the British, were planning another attach on Boonesborough. The settlement was reinforced and provisioned in preparation for the assault. When British soldiers and the Indians attacked, Boonesborough withstood a ten-day siege and Chief Blackfish and the British finally withdrew.
After the Revolutionary War, Boone worked as a surveyor along the Ohio River and settled for a time in Kanawha County, Virginia (now West Virginia). In 1792, Kentucky was admitted into the Union as the 15th state. Litigation arose that questioned many settlers’ title to their lands. Boone lost all his property due to lack of clear title. In 1799, he followed his son, Daniel Morgan Boone, to Missouri which was then under the dominion of Spain. Traveling by canoe, he and his family paddled down the Ohio River to St. Louis.
In 1800, Boone was appointed magistrate of the Femme Osage District in St. Charles County, Missouri. He received a large tract of land for his services. When Missouri was transferred to the United States as part of the Louisiana Purchase, Boone once again lost all his land, most of which was sold to satisfy creditors in Kentucky. Boone’s wife Rebecca died on March 18, 1813. He spent his remaining years living in his son Nathan’s home in the St. Charles area. He went on his final hunting trip at the age of 83.
Daniel Boone died on September 26, 1820 at the age of 85. In 1845 the remains of Boone and his wife were moved to Kentucky to rest in the great pioneer’s “hunter’s paradise.” There is some controversy surrounding the final disposition of Boone’s remains. Some say that Daniel and Rebecca are still in Missouri, and that the wrong remains were removed and re-buried. Others have demanded the return of the bodies to Missouri.
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95nov/boone.html
Just pickin’-nit:-)
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Regular
Posted May 14, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
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I believe I answered all questions to my satisfaction. You, on the other hand, have totally ignored to context of the article. But that’s to be expected: you’re a republican.
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
And my birth name was Crockett. Touche reg!
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
And my birth name was Crockett. Touche reg!
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Yeah, but did you kill a ‘bar’ when you were only three? :D
On a much happier note, my second bunch of ducks came in yesterday. I’m now the proud owner of 20 ducks!
Last weekend I flew to Seattle to pick up Nicki, the newest addition to our pack of Beardies.
I’m going to try and teache her the herding basics on the ducks. I’ll also use them to try and cure Samson’s fear of ducks!
Oh, and then there’s eggs!
Hey Hank!
Now you just have to convince the neighborhood children that you were eating chicken for dinner, not old Herman the duck. :D
I think the article JMWalker posts about the regulatory limitation of lawsuits bears out some key points:
1) Those who wish to have the government regulate often get what they ask for, with results they did not. We have asked for these beuarocratic regulators to supplant and interpert the law. (an example is Bremby and the coal plants). WHen they do their regulatory jobs, as interperpteted by the executive branch, they are susceptible to poltiical jockeying. Rightly or wrongly. Because they are in the executive branch.
2) See the above, and then ask why in the hell we want federal regulators to be in charge of more stuff, such as healthcare.
3)If a company is engaged in business that puts in underal federal guidelines, becaue of “interstate commerce” rules, then the in my opinion, the federal courts have sway, and the state courts should not have juridistion IMHO
4) In the Heparin case, why should be manufacturer be sued? The drug, and THE PACKAGING, was approved by the FDA. They furnished a product approved in all aspects by the federal government! THere is no claim of false reports to the FDA. Why would the company be at fault for following federal regulations?
Because it has deep pockets attorneys can go for, the only reason.
I have been overworked, I have been tired, I have been in the back of an ambulance with critically ill patients that were screraming and crying and all sorts of things. I have never failed to look at the fricking package to make sure I was using the right thing. The caregiver was at fault. Not the manufacturer. But the caregiver didn;t have deep pockets, huh.
4) in the case of the lady having her arm amputated, again the damned drug was ot used according to directions! Damn! Hold people accountable! A Damned caregiver doesn;t know the difference between a vein and an artery! SO the manufacturer is at fault! BULL SHIFT
5) People hate the government, and people hate companies. They have been taught the same by those of and idealogical bent, that the government is first of all the supplier of all good things, unless you disagree with it, then it is the supplier of all evil in the world. The second is an anti-capitolist agenda and thought process that says that capitolism is wrong, that it is evil, and all human suffering comes from it.
6) Some of the statements bye trial associaiton is an example of what lawyers do best…. bs on behalf of themselves and sometimes, their clients.
Good morning Regular!
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
Hank, how are Beardies with herding cattle?
heh Hank,
You’re just an old softie with kids now aren’t ya? :)
Call me a heartless old ogre, but I have no problem cooking and eating “named” farm animals. (evil grin)
May even be hope for Kansas.
Democrats win Mississippi special election By Matthew Bigg
Wed May 14, 1:07 AM ET
ATLANTA (Reuters) – Mississippi Democrat Travis Childers won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election on Tuesday that analysts said should serve as a warning to Republicans gearing up for November’s congressional elections.
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Childers defeated Greg Davis in a run-off to fill a vacant seat in Mississippi’s first congressional district, according to projections reported by local media.
Vice President Dick Cheney and the state’s Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.
Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, who is viewed by some Mississippi voters as too liberal.
The win expanded the Democratic majority in Congress to 236 versus 199 seats held by the Republican Party, according to the chairman of the Congressional Democratic Caucus, Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who described it as a “political thunderbolt.”
“It is yet another rejection of the House Republican agenda, the Bush administration’s misguided policies, and John McCain’s campaign for a third Bush term,” Van Hollen said.
Most of the attention this election cycle has focused on the race to succeed Bush, but the two parties are locked in an equally competitive battle for the House and Senate, with Democrats seeking to extend slim majorities.
Childers’ win follows two gains by Democrats in seats in Louisiana and Illinois and suggests that formerly solid Republican districts might be up for grabs in November.
Does bush only support corrupt leaders?
First Iraq, now Israel.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush arrived in the Middle East on Wednesday to celebrate Israel’s 60th birthday and try to energize peace efforts complicated by a corruption scandal that could topple Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
I don;t know if it spells hope or disaster for the country, but I expect a Democrat in the Whitehouse, and Democratic majorities in both the senate and the house.
Hey Predestined,
They’re pretty good. Beardies were developed in the Scotland Highlands for sheep. Really quite intelligent and hard working dogs.
AKC trials are pretty much set up for the Border Collie stile of herding. Border Collies are ‘eye’ dogs. Bearded Collies are ’stand up loose eyed dogs’.
Littlejohn,
You must be nothing but a Republican lap dog to have such a well spoken opinion like that……
Seriously,
We have a problem with law suits in this country and JM Walker is up there crying about reform????
Hey Dad,
Did you see the Steven Davis 2nd grade tantrum and name calling fest last night, as he claimed to be leaving the blog?
Naw boy,
You ain’t picking on the grownups again are you? Do we need to have that ‘talk’ again?
Come to the clinic, I got something for you.
I guess Nathaniel missed these two quotes in his Bible reading.
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
“And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, King James Version.
He might want to check out Matthew 5:39, too.
Hank, thanks for the info. That’s what I needed to know.
Well Good Morning Nathaniel. I wasn’t expecting your return last night. My loss. I was wondering if you, the professional Bible Reader, could enlighten me, the amateur Bible Reader, regarding Chas?
Well Predestined,
If yo want a good cattle dog, I’d go with an Australian Shepard. They seem to have a little more ‘cow sense’ than most dogs.
Beardies are a little bold and get in trouble easier.
Besides, a good Aussie is a lot cheaper than a good Beardie!
Hey!
Hate to take the thread there, but for about $400.00 I can live life the same way I am now, and have 0 carbon footrprint by purchasing offsets
http://www.terrapass.com
I know, I know, they don;t support that, I’m just saying I could have no carbon footrprint by paying them money! Hmmmm.
Oh Predestined. You don’t want to try to use the Bible against Nathaniel. You will lose your professional Bible License. ALAS, you will be condemned to the title “Amateur Bible Reader”
Regular –
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
Where would you suggest putting them?? LOL
Must be one of those blasted typos!!
Hey littlejohn!
I’m living life large for free!
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Use your link to see what you need and use mine to get it for free!
Thank you for the concern, VET. Unfortunately, I’m well aware of Nathaniel’s modus operandi. We’ve tangled before, useless as it was. I have no intention of debating him on the Bible. I just thought I’d offer a reminder of what his Savior preached.
BTW, there are versions of the “Golden Rule” in 21 religions.
SquarePeg
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
Regular –
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
Where would you suggest putting them?? LOL
Must be one of those blasted typos!!
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Here’s your first clue, intravenous means in the vein.
Arteries are vessels meant for outflow of blood from the heart.
Veins are vessels that pump blood towards and into the heart (i.e. venous return.)
When veins are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flow is slow, seeping and pools.
When arteries are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flows is abrupt as arteries have much more pressure (pushed from the heart via the circulatory system.)
Surely there Squarepeg, Chas, Das, Sugar, you did not pay attention in basic biology to NOT KNOW the difference between arteries and veins.
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Nathaniel
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
Littlejohn,
You must be nothing but a Republican lap dog to have such a well spoken opinion like that……
Seriously,
We have a problem with law suits in this country and JM Walker is up there crying about reform????
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No, Nathan, I don’t have a problem with reform. I do have a problem with this administrations willingness to bypass the system in order to protect business. But, gee, I guess every lawsuit brought by an injured party or parties is “a problem” in your eyes. Tell that to the people who died because of tainted meat, which the slaughter house failed to inspect, or the people dead because of “fen-fen.” Or any lawsuit brought against any drug manufacturer for falsifying test results. Gee, that never happens, does it?
How about toy manufactures who get their products made in China, and have their kids come down with lead poisoning from eating the paint. Think the manufacturers aren’t responsible? Why do you think they failed to know the paint had lead in it? Could it be the test cost money, and the manufactures were too cheap to have the testing done? Or maybe they just “trusted” the chinese to do the right thing. Good thing that never happened.
Or how about Enron? Sure no cause for a lawsuit there, is there.
My point is frivolous lawsuits should be paid, both sides, by the person bringing the suit. Legitimate suits do exist, and deserve their day in court. But this administration is loading the issue on the side of business. That is NOT a fair playing field.
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HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
Hey littlejohn!
I’m living life large for free!
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Use your link to see what you need and use mine to get it for free!
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Coooooool! I want a new car:-)
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HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
Good morning Regular!
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
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The kids or the ducks:-)
agreed predestined. But thank you anyway for indulging me in my satire. I was getting a bit bored here at work.
The Age of the Universe: This guy, based on a study of the Torah (Old testamant), gets about 15-16 BILLION years. Of course, he is Jewish so what does he know?
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
“So the only data I use as far as Biblical commentary goes is ancient commentary. That means the text of the Bible itself (3300 years ago), the translation of the Torah into Aramaic by Onkelos (100 CE), the Talmud (redacted about the year 500 CE), and the three major Torah commentators. There are many, many commentators, but at the top of the mountain there are three, accepted by all: Rashi (11th century France), who brings the straight understanding of the text, Maimonides (12th century Egypt), who handles the philosophical concepts, and then Nachmanides (13th century Spain), the earliest of the Kabbalists.
This ancient commentary was finalized long before Hubbell was a gleam in his great-grandparent’s eye. So there’s no possibility of Hubbell or any other modern scientific data influencing these concepts.”
If you were Iran, would this give you a sense of security? Or, would it make it more likely that you’d better take care of your own National Security interest?
U.S. says Iran security pledge not on table in atom row
The United States said on Wednesday six world powers had no plans to offer Iran security guarantees to encourage it to suspend nuclear activity, hours after Russia floated the idea
Obviously, Phantom, Iran should unilaterally disarm and then simply surrender to anyone who wants to invade and take their resources. That is clearly what Bush wants them to do.
/sarcasm off
Years ago when we wanted to keep japan disarmed part of the deal was a protection pact.
Try persuading Israel to disarm, even with a security guarantee!
Satire to your heart’s content, VET. I’m here reading along…and chuckling.
Or is that chortling?
The irony is who is holding the world’s largest arsenal of nuclear weapons telling everyone else who can’t.
I guess we’ll not be making that security guarantee to Iran, because it’d probably pit us against Israel!
I thought you could help me with that one Pre. I’m still a bit new. I don’t know the protocol on when one is to “chuckle” and when one is to “chortle”
And Ben, regarding the age of the universe: Behave.
The funny thing is VET that my own interpretations of the science AND Scripture do not preclude the existence of God behind everything. I just don’t think that the fallible mortal humans who wrote the stuff down had a precsie ‘blow-by-blow’ description to work with. To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever come up with original contemporaneously written texts from the Creation or from the Garden.
An observation – it is largely those who want their OWN right to be armed (presumably to protect themselves) who want to disarm entire countries and leave them at the tender mercies of any aggressor who decides to invade.
Saddam disarmed after Gulf 1 – that was verified by the inspectors. What happened to him?
Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened – the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God. :)
Saddam did invade Kuwait. In that regard he is a different animal. However, to invade Iraq based on faulty intelligence can cause unrest. If the US could somehow convince the region that such a stupid mistake wouldn’t happen again. It might help.
Steven Hawkins put it well – something like (we try to understand HOW. The WHY lies in the field of philosophy or religion.
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope. If you want to use satire to show how much stupidity may follow, fine. I was just asking you whether or not you really believed those examples of stupidity would follow. Hence, I was asking you if you were certain there was no “slippery slope” My point regarding “verily verily” is that some creationists see the Bible as an authoritative document. Hence, my satire about Nathaniel’s “regulation” I will admit that I showed poor form on more than one occasion. I will try not to offend.
LLTVET
Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope.
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LLVET,
In actuality you didn’t state that creationists saw a slippery slope, you said that Christians see a slippery slope. I took exception to the statement as I consider myself to be a Christian who has a view about creation and evolution that is probably more mainstream than the creationist view.
Following is your quote: Notice the use of the word “ridiculous” right before you assigned slippery slope to Christians.
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LLTVET
Posted May 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
Well Regular: Do you really think that such ridiculous changes will be made? For some reason, Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.
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Creationists in this discussion context are usually Christian and are a subset of Christianity in general. But not all Christians are strict Creationists.
This is the bug-a-boo I have with Evolutionists when they start throwing everything in the stew pot and make broad sweeping generalizations.
Reg: Those “ridiculous” changes that I was referring to were you satirical showings from last nights page. You were using satire to show ridiculous effects that may come about. I agreed that they would be ridiculous. I just wanted to know if you really saw them as possible. If you did, then you would have been guilty of the slippery slope.
I can’t believe this guy.
Then LLVET, you should have said what you meant to say and not followed on with the “Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.”
Nothing wrong with being straight forward.
You were correct about me using satire.
Evasive discussion technique doesn’t do any good. If you have something to say, “try just turning right, instead of making three left turns” to say something.
Works for me.
I do like what Obamma is saying.
Obama woos working-class voters in Michigan By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago
WARREN, Mich. – Democrat Barack Obama, campaigning in a state that poses several challenges for him in the fall, appealed to working-class voters Wednesday with a pledge to pump billions of dollars into efforts to revitalize the nation’s manufacturing sector.
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One day after blue-collar workers overwhelmingly rejected him in West Virginia’s presidential primary, Obama came to this auto-making suburb of Detroit to announce plans to create an “advanced manufacturing fund” to promote industries likely to keep jobs in the United States rather than see them move overseas.
Biggest jump in food prices in 18 yrs., of little concern for all except those that have to budget for food. (Not the Base).
Inflation pressures ease despite food price jump By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Inflation pressures eased a bit in April despite the biggest jump in food prices in 18 years.
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The Labor Department reported Wednesday that consumer prices edged up 0.2 percent last month, compared to a 0.3 percent rise in March.
The lower inflation reflected a flat reading for energy, which helped offset a 0.9 percent jump in food costs as prices climbed for many basic items, from bread and milk to coffee and fresh fruits.
The unchanged reading for energy reflected a big 4.8 percent jump in natural gas prices, offset by a 2 percent decline in gasoline costs.
The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government’s accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes.
Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes. That was little comfort for motorists now paying record prices at the pump, which are nearing $4 per gallon.
Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March.
The 0.2 percent reading for the overall Consumer Price Index was slightly lower than the 0.3 percent rise that economists had been expecting and the 0.1 percent rise in core inflation was below the 0.2 percent reading that had been expected.
Those better-than-expected performances should ease concerns at the Federal Reserve that the sharp increase in food and energy prices this year would lead to broader inflation problems. However, economists cautioned that the recent surge in oil prices to record levels near $127 per barrel has yet to be felt at the consumer level.
Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said that the weak economy was starting to show up in lower prices in some areas. He noted that the price of hotel rooms dropped for a third straight month, falling by 1.9 percent in April, a reflection of cutbacks in business and vacation travel.
The Fed, fighting against a severe credit crunch and spreading economic weakness, has cut interest rates seven times since last September in an effort to keep the country from toppling into a recession.
However, last month it signaled that it might take a pause in the rate cuts, with some Fed officials expressing worries that further reductions in interest rates could trigger unwanted inflation. The central bank is expected to keep rates unchanged when officials next meet June 24-26.
So far this year, overall inflation is rising at an annual rate of 3 percent, down from a 4.1 percent increase for all of 2007. Core inflation, excluding energy and food, is up at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the first four months of this year, compared with a 2.4 percent increase for all of 2007
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
My goodness regular, it’s like pulling teeth with you.
LLTVET,
Exactly what is it about Chas you want me to enlighten you on?
Predestined,
I don’t get it. What makes you think that I have missed those verses?
Gee, Nathaniel, I don’t know. Reading your posts, maybe?
But, hey, you’re free to say whatever you want. And I’m free to disagree and form my own opinion. Isn’t it great?
Gee, guys, hate to tell you this but:
Polar bears to be protected species
Interior lists the polar bear as threatened species because of global warming
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Polar_bears_to_be_protected_species_05142008.html
Predestined,
You can have an opinion and disagree. Doesn’t make you right though.
Now this is funny. Scroll down for the vid:
Colbert shows solidarity with Bill O’Reilly F-bomb rant
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Colbert_spoofs_Bill_OReilly_Fbomb_rant_0514.html
Opps! O, well, maybe the “programs” weren’t that “unusual.” (snicker)
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House looks at phone jamming in N.H. election
Ex-consultant says no White House link in GOP phone jamming during 2002 New Hampshire election
ANDREW MIGA
AP News
May 14, 2008 15:05 EST
A former Republican consultant who served three months in prison for his role in the Election Day 2002 phone-jamming operation against New Hampshire Democrats says he knows of no connection between the White House and the plot.
“I cannot link the New Hampshire phone jamming scheme in any way to President George Bush’s White House,” Allen Raymond told a House panel probing the phone-jamming operation on Wednesday.
But Raymond said his training at the Republican National Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee told him that “unusual programs never saw the light of day without a thorough vetting by committee attorneys.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/House_looks_at_phone_jamming_in_N_H_05142008.html
Welcome Back Nathaniel. What I was wondering is how Chas is disqualified as a Christian. I think we both know that there is no passage in the Bible to say “chas is not a Christian” Given that fact, what methodology do you use to decide what passages in the Bible have a “thou shalt” effect to them, ergo they disqualify noncompliance? Others have a “holy kiss” effect to them (I will assume you see my metaphor). What methodology do you use to show that they do not necessarily disqualify noncompliance?
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Regular
Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened – the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God. :)
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Dear Lord, let it not be so: me and reg agreeing on anything? Evidently, there really is a God:-)
I thought those orange things were the official State Flower– you see them everywhere! Barrels, huh?
Oops- wrong thread.
gster — my trucker friends tell me those are “Schneider” eggs… LOL
LLTVET,
I have answered the question already, but here you go again:
Chas doesn’t believe that Christ is the ONE TRUE God and Savior for ALL.
That is probably the most basic and most fundamental part of being a CHRISTIAN.
I don’t think he is disqualified, just that his beliefs are not Christian.
So Nathaniel: The “Christ is the ONE TRUE GOD and Savior for all” belief is a “thou shalt” belief. Whereas my “Holy Kiss” belief is not a “thou shalt” belief. You didn’t answer my question. What methodology brings you to the decision that one is a fundamental part of being a Christian while the other is not? I asked for your methodology Nathaniel. If you don’t have one, just say so.
LLTVET,
I will be on later. Off to work.
Interesting article on the media and the bush administration:
Military analysts named in Times exposé appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast nets, cables, NPR
Summary: A New York Times article detailed the connection between numerous media military analysts and the Pentagon and defense industries, reporting that “the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform” media military analysts “into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.” A Media Matters review found that since January 1, 2002, the analysts named in the Times article — many identified as having ties to the defense industry — collectively appeared or were quoted as experts more than 4,500 times on ABC, ABC News Now, CBS, CBS Radio Network, NBC, CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, and NPR.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130001?f=h_latest
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gster
Posted May 14, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
Oops- wrong thread.
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Bastid!!!
VET – I think it is Nathan’s interpretation of “I am the way, the truth and the light. No one shall come to the Father except by me”
House passes farm bill that Bush says will veto 27 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The House on Wednesday passed and sent to the Senate a compromise $289 billion farm bill that expands nutrition and biofuel programs in the face of President George W. Bush’s promise to veto it.
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Backers said a large vote in favor of the bill, seven months past due, would show Congress could override a veto. Bush says the bill spends too much and fails to reform farm subsidies.
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Vet you seem to have a problem with Nathaniels explanation if it doesn’t line up with your view. Does he get that same right?
This Cahse fellow seems to profess to being a Christian minister and says so daily as I can see but won’t profess to Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. Simple enough. That is all this young marine seems to be saying.
Why the piling on? Seems like this Chase fellow talks pretty well for hisself.
So in effect, Nathan thinks that Jesus was not speaking in Parables when he said that Ben? Now I won’t speak for Chas. But I do know some who think that such a belief can be metaphorical rather than literal. As I said the other day. I sincerely believe in Santa Claus (generosity) but I don’t believe in flying reindeer. I wonder if we’re back at that old chestnut again.
No observer. I want him to answer my question. He asked me to pose my question. So I posed it. If he doesn’t answer it. I will tell him that he didn’t answer it. I was asking him to present his methodology. All I got was his belief.
Dear LLTVET,
I think you’ve missed him again, Nathan only had an hour off from work. It’s hard to tell when he’ll be off again, probably not until late.
It’s interesting that you would rather discuss his methodology rather than his conclusions. Do you disagree with him? If so, why?
I’m afraid that Chas. belongs to that group of people that the MSM dare not acknoledge. Is he a Christian? Not for me to say. He professes to be a minister and I assume that he brings comfort and guidance to his flock. (flocks will find another shepard otherwise1)
There’s an old saying, “If being a Christian becomes a crime, I hope they can find enough evidence to convict me!” All I can do each day is try and give ‘em a little more evidence!
Scroll up two Hank. Old Chestnut, Santa Claus, Flying reindeer, etc.
say Ben. I don’t know if this is the first time or not. But I don’t remember the president ever relenting about global warming. He may have done it before. If not, your work is done.
VET – he has mouthed words before but that is nothing but greenwashing.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenwashing
The Neo-Cons’ favorite Iraqi is now out of favor:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24620260
Sources in Baghdad tell NBC News that as of this week American military and civilian officials have cut off all contact with controversial Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi, the former favorite of Washington’s once powerful neoconservatives.
Results from a deeper ice core,
‘Greenhouse gases highest for 800,000 years’
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1440399320080514
“Greenhouse gases are at higher levels in the atmosphere than at any time in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of Antarctic ice on Wednesday that extends evidence that mankind is disrupting the climate.
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“We can firmly say that today’s concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane are 28 and 124 percent higher respectively than at any time during the last 800,000 years,” said Thomas Stocker, an author of the report at the University of Berne.”
More at link.
More, and graph of CO2, methane, and temperatures over the past 800,000 years (starts 1000 years from present).
‘Ice cores reveal fluctuations in the Earth’s greenhouse gases’
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/uoc-icr050808.php
Oh my, oh my!
Who can be my ‘favorite Iraqi’ now?
GMC70, Nathan, AmWay and other 2nd Amendment Supporters, here’s some news I BET you have not seen!
Note the Vitter Amendment in HR980. Given the vote record, I wonder if anyone who voted on this Bill found it? (See the last line of this post!)
Vitter’s Amendment – Buried Deep in The Bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z … L&summ2=m&
SA 4757. Mr. VITTER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 980, to provide collective bargaining rights for public safety officers employed by States or their political subdivisions; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.
(a) In General.–Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following: “§926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms
“Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof:
“(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.
“(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.”.
(b) Clerical Amendment.–The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:
“926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.”.
(c) Effective Date.–The amendments made by this section shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
For yesterday’s vote see:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r … vote=00126
(Boxer, Feinstein, and Shumer voted for it!!!!)
We’re getting cooler cosmos, wrap your mind around it!
Too bad Bush is threatening to veto it, though I disagree with the main provisions in the Bill.
This one Bill will make many people happy, and mad at the same time!
The purrfect Bill!
That’s pretty good new’s GM! Looks like I’ll be taking my gun with me when I fly now!
Hank – I think you will like the Vitter Amendment!
Yikes!!
HLP posts:
“Oh my, oh my!
Who can be my ‘favorite Iraqi’ now?”
How ’bout Osama bin Laden, the Republican party’s favorite Iraqi?
You pay him tribute every time you get gas for your car.
From my understanding, a huge majority (veto-proof) in the House and Senate voted for this Bill.
Cross your fingers!
It always amazed me how your rights ENDED at the State Line. This Bill fixes this problem!
From my understanding, a huge majority (veto-proof) in the House and Senate voted for this Bill.
Cross your fingers!
It always amazed me how your rights ENDED at the State Line. This Bill fixes this problem!
“HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
We’re getting cooler cosmos, wrap your mind around it!”
NO.
” March 2008 was the 2nd warmest March for the the globe on record, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center. Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record. ”
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/
Dear Hank Price,
Are you unable to read, and understand bth’s posts?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-512/#comment-347650
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacremento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
whereabouts near sacramento hank?
best to wait until fairly late fall – the Central Valley can be brutal – but the foothills are nice
Yikes!
Later folks. It was stimulating as always.
Yeah cosmos, one March does not a climate make. You do remember admitting that the earth is cooling the other day don’t you?
Welcome to the ‘dark side’!
Later VET!!
HLP posted May 14, 2008 at 5:34 pm
“Yeah cosmos, one March does not a climate make.”
That’s right Hank, and that’s why you have to look at the long-term trend.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Natural factors (solar minimum and La Nina) have been “cooling” the Earth — while human-added GHG’’s are warming it.
It’s like running both the A/C and heater in your house at the same time.
Hell, I don’t know Ben. We’re having the National Specialty out there and I have a dog that can win the herding trial!
I don’t know if we’ll even stay for the whole specialty or just the herding trial. It’s in October, probably ought to figure it out!
You do remember admitting that we’re cooling don’t you? Looks like the air conditioner is winning!
get up into the Sierras while you are there hank. Sacramento sucks but the hills are great.
If you drive: US 54 through Liberal to Tucumcari. I-40 to Barstow. CA 58 to Bakersfield. Then either I-5 or CA 99 to Sacramento.
For a change of scenary uoi can use CA 33 for that lasy leg.
Hey Ben!
http://beardie.net/bcca/specialty2008/competition/herding.html
Now you know as much as I do!
Dear Hank Price,
The natural “A/C” is short-term… and it sometimes turns off, and is replaced with a natural “heater”.
The human-added GHG’s are a long-term, gradual “heater”.
If you knew how to read a graph, you would understand the human-added GHG’s are “winning” long-term.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Thanks Ben!
Taking the RV, we’ll make a good vacation out of it.
I’m taking three of my dogs, plus one I’m training for another and one for a friend so he doesn’t have to fly.
Good times!
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
And Hank – take some little side jaunts along US 66 parallel to I-40.
Get your kicks on Rte. 66!!
Ben,
I’d say that the lack of cooling is “interesting”, and also very disturbing.
PBS TV had a show a few days ago re a daughter and mother sightseeing on Route 66.
Agreed cosmos. As a scientists I tend to use the word ‘interesting’ a lot – like when your doctor says your test results are ‘interesting’. Generally NOT good news.
bth
Posted May 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
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So, that would the second warmest since 1934 after Dr. Hansen’s formula recalculation where all temperatures in the past 20 years were 0.15c too high? :)
74 years and a record temp spike! Phew! I can feel the sweat dripping.
Of course you realize that the U.S. set record cold temperatures, especially Alaska and while those poor Europeans had some heat.
I wonder when it was hotter in 1998, primarily due to El Nino and it was cooler in Europe, was Hansen’s formula error cycled directly or indirectly to the media?
You know if it wasn’t for that Canadian guy who worked with Hansen’s formula, no one would have known that Hansen was a mathematical failure.
:)
“Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record.”
That is just a little bit longer than “since 1934″
“Only the presence of a moderately strong Laña event that cooled ocean waters in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific prevented March 2008 from surpassing March 2002 as the warmest March on record for the entire globe.”
Watch out Ben — Somebody might tell you about the Cold Front today over West Texas :roll:
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Posted May 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacramento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
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In the town of Shasta, not far from Sacramento, there is a fried chicken place, kinda in the middle of town (may have moved or closed, which I doubt), that has THE best fried chicken I ever ate. Definetly not a fast food or franchise place.
I wouldn’t go too far back in recorded temperature there Ben. There wasn’t even an established or calibrated way of measuring ambient temperature until the latter half of the twentieth century.
And still today, the methods and means of measuring temperature widely vary throughout the world.
Hank – and on Monterey Bay at Moss Landing a great seafood joint.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/200708.html
“Recently it was realized that the monthly more-or-less-automatic updates of our global temperature analysis had a flaw in the U.S. data. We wish to thank Stephen McIntyre for bringing to our attention that this flaw might be present.
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The effect on global temperature (the left side of the figure; see larger GIF) was of order one-thousandth of a degree, so the corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable.”
jimmymac again proves that he does not know that the lower 48 United States is not the entire Earth.
jimmymac incorrectly claims that the period 2000 thru 2007 equals “the past 20 years”.
jimmymac incorrectly claims that adding the missing data corrections equals “Dr. Hansen’s formula recalculation”.
Jimmymac incorrectly claims that “all temperatures… were 0.15c too high”. That was only the largest effect.
jimmymac does not seem to know that the temperature rise is larger in the northern latitudes.
jimmymac is a typical AGW denier. He uses ignorance, lies, and false personal attacks.
cosmos denies that the bottom half of the globe exists when considered for climate change.
cosmos incorrectly claims that Mann’s Hockey Stick chart incorrectdata from completely different sources (ice cores and ambient temperature) then combined them to draw a conclusion which have been proven wrong statistically and poor scientific method.
cosmos has declared that the computer climate modles are inaccurate but still relies on them to make prediction about climate change
cosmos denies that Hansen blames journalists for his mathematical foo-pah for releasing his data sets
cosmos denies that Hansen has hidden away data structures from examining scientists who want to re-examine Hansen’s claim about Global Warming
cosmos is a typical Global Warming Alarmist ‘chicken little’ who ignores the preceding 5 billion years of natural climate change.
Hank, ya know we’re pointing you to excellent food establishments so you wont have to eat the named ducks:-)
Whether man is or is not responsible for any climate change is something only time will tell. But to think man cannot affect this planet is hardly open to denial.
We have smog, a river on fire, mercury pollution in fish, superfund sites, a whole area of Russia off limits for decades, if not centuries, to come.
So, it would come as no surprise to learn that man has indeed caused global warming. I’m just not convinced of that as of yet. But I do believe there is climate change going on, and it is warming the planet. There are too many examples to ignore.
jimmymac,
Thank you for proving my earlier points, by posting more lies, ignorance, and false personal attacks.
tell us something new Cosmos
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Ahmadinejad: Israel Is Doomed
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
From AP
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
TEHRAN, Iran — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that Israel is dying and that its 60th anniversary celebrations are an attempt to prevent its “annihilation.”
He spoke hours after President Bush arrived in Israel for the anniversary celebrations.
“The Zionist (Israeli) regime is dying,” said Ahmadinejad during a speech in northern Iran. “The criminals assume that by holding celebrations … they can save the sinister Zionist regime from death and annihilation.”
Ahmadinejad used an Arabic word, ismihlal, that can also be translated as destruction, death and collapse.
Iran doesn’t recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel’s destruction. Threatening exchanges between Iran and Israel have intensified since 2005, when Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Israel will one day be “wiped off the map.” The Iranian leader has also described the Holocaust as a “myth.”
“Nations of the region hate this criminal fabricated regime (Israel) and will uproot this fabricated regime if the smallest and shortest opportunity is given to them,” Ahmadinejad said Wednesday in an address broadcast live on state television.
Israel considers Iran a serious threat because of its support for Hamas and Hezbollah militants, its nuclear program and its arsenal of long-range missiles, which can be fitted with nuclear warheads and are capable of striking the Jewish state.
Tehran is equipped with Shahab-3 missiles, which have a range of up to 1,250 miles. Israel is about 625 miles west of Iran.
Israel and the U.S. accuse Iran of using its nuclear program as a cover for a weapons program. Iran has denied the charges, saying its nuclear program is geared merely toward generating electricity, not bomb making.
Israel is widely believed to have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons, but follows a policy it calls “nuclear ambiguity” and has never acknowledged or denied having a nuclear weapons program.
Iranian military officials have warned Israel in recent years that Iran would destroy Israel’s Dimona nuclear reactor if the Jewish state were to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.
“So.. I’m really sure barack hangs out in pool halls on a regular basis. And bowling alleys.
Just like Hillary hangs out in bars and throws back shots on a regular basis.”
At least Obama hasn’t humiliated himself trying to sound like a black preacher in front of a black audience, Frmgrl!! That was the ultimate, stupid, transparent pandering I’ve EVER seen!
Bible illiteracy threatens the church, the entire nation
By Rev. Trent Patterson
Statesville Record and Landmark
Friday, February 8, 2008
http://www.statesville.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=SRL/MGArticle/SRL_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354527285
I recently read a book about one of the greatest problems facing our country today. You are asking yourself, what could that problem be? Could it be taxes, economics, war, Iran, Iraq, global climate change or high gas prices? If you are a Patriots fan, you may not be focused on any of the problems listed above; you may still be suffering from the loss Sunday night. The current political season has all of us thinking about the problems that we face as individuals.
So what is the greatest problem facing our nation today? I agree with author Woodrow Kroll when he identifies the problem as Bible illiteracy. It is one of the greatest threats to our nation and to the church.
If you look on the Internet at numerous booksellers’ Web sites, or visit a Christian bookstore, you will find thousands of choices of Bibles. There are numerous choices of bindings, study notes, themes, helps, versions, and (as I am finding out at this point in my life) choices in print size. Yet in Bible-rich America, we are experiencing a serious lack of respect, knowledge, and love for God’s Word. Kroll said, “If Christians blew the dust off their Bibles at the same time, we’d all be killed in the dust storm.” I wholeheartedly agree.
Gone are the days when the Bible was a priority in the majority of people’s lives in our land. Every generation is shrinking further and further away from knowing the basic stories and personalities of the Bible. Many of our grandparents were well versed in the simple stories of David, Jesus, Noah, Jonah, Daniel and Abraham. They were taught these stories at church, home and in many instan-ces, school.
Today’s generation is being denied an exposure to the Bible. If you go back even further than our grandparents you can see the great influence that the Bible had on our society. The Liberty Bell is inscribed with a direct quote from Leviticus 25:10 “Proclaim Liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof.”
According to David Barton, almost half (24 of 56) of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had what would be considered seminary or Bible school degrees. This nation’s founding was clearly influenced by the Holy Scriptures.
The Bible has also impacted science, literature, politics and all other areas of our culture. The Bible had such an influence on the world, that our calendar system is based on the central figure of Scripture, Jesus Christ. However, it is time for the church to take a stand and put the Bible back in its rightful place in our lives. The Word of God has the answers to all of life’s problems. This is not a time for us to back away and doubt the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of the Word. Let’s read it more. Let’s trust it more. We can all take part in a revival of God’s word by making it “a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path.”
“At least Obama hasn’t humiliated himself trying to sound like a black preacher in front of a black audience, Frmgrl!! That was the ultimate, stupid, transparent pandering I’ve EVER seen!”
Funny.
I find it much worse that Obama pretends to be a Democrat while he talks like a Republican.
Atheism Masquerading As Science
By Dinesh D’Souza
Tuesday, February 19
The problem with evolution is not that it is unscientific but that it is routinely taught in textbooks and in the classroom in an atheist way. Textbooks frequently go beyond the scientific evidence to make metaphysical claims about how evolution renders the idea of a Creator superfluous. Here are some examples that are drawn from my recent bestseller What’s So Great About Christianity.
Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson writes in his widely-assigned book On Human Nature: “If humankind evolved by Darwinian natural selection, genetic chance and environmental necessity, not God, made the species.”
Biologist Stephen Jay Gould writes in his essay in the book Darwin’s Legacy: “No intervening spirit watches lovingly over the affairs of nature…whatever we think of God, his existence is not manifest in the products of nature.”
Douglas Futuyma asserts in his textbook Evolutionary Biology: “By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous.”
Biologist William Provine writes, “Modern science directly implies that there are no inherent moral or ethical laws…We must conclude that when we die, we die, and that is the end of us.” Evolution, Provine has also said, is the “greatest engine of atheism.”
In his essay on “Darwin’s Revolution” in the book Creative Evolution, Francisco Ayala credits Darwin with proving that life is “the result of a natural process…without any need to resort to a Creator.”
Some Christians seek to counter this atheism by trying to expose the flaws in the Darwinian account of evolution. This explains the appeal of “creation science” and the “intelligent design” (ID) movement. These critiques, however, have not made any headway in the scientific community and they have also failed whenever they have been tried in the courts.
Most Christians don’t care whether the eye evolved by natural selection or whether Darwin’s theories can account for macroevolution or only microevolution. What they care about is that evolution is being used to deny God as the creator. For those who are concerned about this atheism masquerading as science, there is a better way. Instead of trying to get unscientific ID theories included in the classroom, a better strategy would be to get the unscientific atheist propaganda out.
How can this be achieved?
Consider this: the First Amendment to the Constitution prohibits public schools from teaching or promoting atheism in any way. How do I know this? Well, the religion clauses of the First Amendment protect the “free exercise” of religion and at the same time forbid the “establishment” of religion. Courts have routinely held that the free exercise clause protects not only religious beliefs but also the absence of religious beliefs. If you are fired from your government job because you are an atheist, your First Amendment rights have been violated. In other words, the term “religion” means not only “religion” but also “atheism.”
Yet if the free exercise clause defines religion in a way that includes atheism, then the no-establishment clause must define religion in the same way. So the agencies of government are prohibited from “establishing” not only religion but also atheism. This means that just as a public school teacher cannot advocate Christianity or hand out Bibles to his students, so too public school textbooks and science teachers cannot advocate atheism.
I’d like to see Christian legal groups suing school districts for promoting atheism in the biology classroom. No need to produce creationist or ID critiques of Darwinism. All that is necessary is to parade the atheist claims that have made their way into the biology textbooks and biology lectures. The issue isn’t the scientific inadequacy of evolution but the way in which it is being used to undermine religious belief and promote unbelief. If the case can be made that atheism is being advocated in any way, then the textbooks would have to be rewritten and classroom presentations changed to remove the offending material. Schools would be on notice that they cannot use scientific facts to draw metaphysical conclusions in favor of atheism.
In this way Darwinism in the public schools would no longer be a threat to religion in general or Christianity in particular.
American – perhaps we should also teach the religion of MY ancestors – the ORIGINAL Americans before your immigrant horde invaded the continent.
Good one Ben… But it seems, IIRC, it was the government reservations that prohibited the practice of Native religion… thus violating the First Amendment…
Reverend Peter Marshall’s Commentary Archive
Election 2008 and the New Messiah
Posted on 05/08/2008
“Why do you not know how to interpret the present time?” (Luke 12:56)
It is now all but certain that Barack Obama will be the Democratic Party nominee for the office of President of the United States. Barring a miraculous defection to Hilary Clinton of the super-delegates already pledged to Obama (which can only happen in the unlikely emergence of some horrendous “dirt” about Obama that renders him unelectable), the senator from Illinois will be running against John McCain.
As a Christian, and a long-time observer of the American political scene, I have to say that there are more than a few aspects of the Obama campaign that are truly appalling. I have already written about Obama’s connection with his racist, demagoguing pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who has lately been obnoxiously milking his 15 minutes of fame for all it’s worth. And then there’s the tremendously revealing quote from Obama’s wife, Michelle, in which she brazenly stated that her husband’s campaign was the first time that she had been proud of her country. And I could bring up Obama’s relationships with William Ayers, the totally unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist, and Tony Rezko, the indicted fixer. There is also the undercurrent of racism that runs all through Senator Obama’s statements that his campaign is not about race. That needs some serious comment. Lastly, there is laughable attempt on the part of the seven-figure-income Obamas to portray themselves as people who Really Feel The Pain of those struggling financially. Oh, puuulease! But there will be plenty of time during the general campaign to talk about those kinds of things.
There is something else about Barack Obama’s campaign that is far more important, and extremely worrisome.
I’m referring to its outright messianic flavor.
The worshipful followers of this new political pied piper seem to actually regard him as a savior, the only hope for the Republic. And, what is worse, his wife Michelle, and even Obama himself seem to be drinking from the same kool-aid. All the full-blown rhetoric of a New Age political guru is readily employed, characterized by a distinct lack of humility. Michelle asserts that she is “married to the only person in this race who has a chance at healing this nation.” As the priestess to the One Who Is Coming she announces that “we need a leader who’s going to touch our souls because, you see, our souls are broken.”
Deepak Chopra, who is listened to by people with too much money and not enough faith, says that putting Obama in the White House would result in “a quantum leap in American consciousness,” and Eve Konstantine, writing on the Huffington Post (blogsite), has breathlessly revealed to us that “Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings.” She is convinced that “he’s our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence.” (Wow! Aren’t you glad to know that!).
Oprah Winfrey is quite certain that Obama will help America “evolve to a higher plane,” and knows in her heart that he is The One. She avows that the need is not so much for politicians that will tell the truth; “we need politicians who know how to be the truth.” (Funny, I had always thought that position was reserved for the Lord Jesus Christ, as He says in John 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life”).
Ezra Klein writes about Barack Obama’s speeches in The American Prospect: “They enmesh you in a grander moment, as if history has stopped flowing passively by, and just for an instant, contracted around you, made you aware of its presence, and your role in it. He is not the Word made flesh (Whew! Glad to hear it – he had me confused for a moment there!), but the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair.”
Actress Halle Berry has weighed in adoringly with this: “I’ll do whatever he says to do. I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.” Well, she could have offered to strew palm branches, but never mind.
It gets even worse when we quote The Man Himself. While campaigning in Lebanon, New Hampshire on January 7, 2008 he reportedly came out with this: “A light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama.” Even if he said it with tongue in cheek (someone please confirm that he was kidding!), the problem is that this kind of language feeds right in to the gullibility of the panting legions who really seem convinced that this dude has been anointed to save the country.
The arrogance of all this is truly breathtaking. Contrast the attitudes above with the words of Abraham Lincoln on the way to Washington, D.C. to be inaugurated President in the time of our greatest national crisis: “I shall be most happy indeed if I shall be an humble instrument in the hands of the Almighty.”
But it is the messiah complex that is truly frightening about the Barack Obama candidacy. A refrain of Obama’s that he repeats over and over to the point that it has become a mantra is: “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” Good grief! He could have made it more brazen by saying “I am the one you have been waiting for,” but that is, naturally, exactly what he wants us all to understand. He just doesn’t want to come right out and say it. But on his website he says: “I’m asking you to believe.” Believe in what, or whom? Believe in him, of course.
For those who do believe in him, they feel as if they’re part of a movement. And in a sense they are, because for those who want to believe in somebody like Obama his speeches are infectious. They especially appeal to the young, who early in their lives are more inclined to be looking for a leader or a mentor to follow. In the course of his campaign he has created a movement. He has not only picked up hordes of college age young people, but he has also pulled in many of their professors. They should know better, but they’re blinded by utopian visions of the possibilities of heaven on earth, the very thing that caused this group of well educated people to be attracted to Marxism in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.
And, incidentally, as is always true with messianic political movements, the chief Instrument of Deliverance is the government. If you do not understand that the basic reason for the failures of society and society’s institutions is the sinfulness of man, and if you do not know that there is no cure for this except the power of God, then you will believe the lie that we human beings can solve all of our own problems. All we need is the Right Leader. And then, when it seems that the Right Leader has appeared, everyone is ready to jump on his bandwagon, because “he is going to change things.” That is how movements are born.
So the word most often associated with Barack Obama’s campaign is – change. That is the magic word. If you listen closely to hear exactly what kind of change he is talking about, there is nothing there. There are no concrete programs. It’s not about dealing with important issues, or offering sound solutions to the nation’s problems – it’s about The Movement. When God is not looked to as the solution, the movement always is. Either we worship God, or we worship ourselves, in one form or another. And in this case, the self-worship is commitment to The Movement, and The Movement is about sweeping Obama into power. Because when Obama gets into the White House, don’tcha know, he is going to change things!!
Right. This man, who has accomplished virtually nothing in his time as a U.S. Senator, is going to change things as President of the United States?
In my view, this man is an empty suit. Or perhaps I should say an empty sport coat, since the tie-less sport coat is the “now” casual-chic look on the campaign trail these days.
But, here is the real issue. Are the American people going to see through this messianic pretense? In the last 30 years or so I have come to put more stock in the down-to-earth common sense of the American people. Lincoln was right; you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Yes, I know that enough people fell for the Clinton foolishness to put Bilary in the White House for eight years. But I don’t believe that Barack Obama has Bill Clinton’s political skills.
And there’s another factor – John McCain’s maverick quality. He isn’t afraid to go against the political grain, and give straight answers to people, and I am hoping that we will see that kind of boldness from him in the general campaign. Where a large dose of common sense is required, and it looks like it will be very much needed, Senator McCain may be of surprising value. What I would like to hear from him is that government should not be looked to as the solution, because that is exactly what we are going to hear from the Democratic nominee.
In light of the mortgage crisis and a down-turning economy, Americans desperately need to be challenged to take moral and financial and spiritual responsibility for their own lives. Salvation is not from the government; no matter who is in the White House.
We need to be called to trust God, not the latest political messiah. (Besides, the office of messiah has already been filled, and his name isn’t Obama). Political messiahship is nothing new in America – remember Huey Long of Louisiana? But it seems to come along as a temptation to our trust in hard times, when things start to fall apart. When we’re most vulnerable the Enemy knows how to tempt us.
Will the common sense of the American people hold this time? Will we reaffirm our traditional American way of handling things – trusting God and helping one another – instead of putting our hopes in government and some imagined political Deliverer?
In God we trust, remember?
American = Nathan ?
Sure echos his opinion —-
oh forgot Nathan gets his opinions from Dad, the Marines and an old book — total lack of ability to think for himself
“Atheism Masquerading As Science”
Good article. Thanks for posting it American. An interesting perspective. Essentially contending that Darwinism promotes atheism and thus teaching it in public schools violates the Constitution.
The mentioned admissions of Darwinists make it arguable. While I’m not convinced it is intentional, it appears to be implicit. There is little doubt that there is a connection between Darwinism and atheism. I think it should be explored as a point of debate.
I have also noticed that Nathan never disagrees with his dad, he’s like “mini me” in the Austin Powers movies….what is THAT all about?
http://www.forandagainst.com/articles/McCain_s_Military_Record_Shows_He_Is_Unfit_To_Be_President
Most of the major media outlets find it impossible to publish a story about McCain which doesn’t include the phrase “war hero” in it somewhere. If you know anything about John McCain, it’s that he’s a war hero. But is he?
McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war. He flew 23 missions. He got 28 medals. In other words, he got more medals than he had missions. Not bad. It should be noted that none of McCain’s medals related to anything he did in combat. They were given for the supposed bravery he displayed after he had been shot down and captured.
It’s appropriate to ask whether McCain’s shoot-down was caused by bad luck or simple incompetence on his part. Of course, there is no way to answer definitively. But we can form an assessment based on the rest of McCain’s military record. At the Naval Academy, McCain graduated almost bottom of his class. He was 790th out of 795. McCain lost many aircraft over the course of his military career – five in total. Most pilots who lost aircraft at the rate McCain did would have been kicked out of the service. But McCain had protection from up on high. His father was an admiral. He was an untouchable. So McCain blundered his way through his military career until he was finally shot down.
McCain claims that he was tortured while in custody. There were no other American witnesses to this torture and some former POWs doubt that it happened at all. In fact, McCain himself admitted in a 1973 interview with the magazine US News and World Report that he volunteered to give military information in return for medical treatment, even before being subjected to any torture.
There are two ways to look at the torture claims. Either McCain is lying about it – in which case he’s unfit to be president; or he’s telling the truth – in which case he’s unfit to be president. Why? Because torture is one of those experiences, like being abused as a child, which inflicts permanent psychological damage.
Many of America’s veterans from the Korean and Vietnamese wars suffered lingering psychological trauma from their wartime experience. The rate is even higher among former prisoners of war (POWs). One study found that 85% of POWs who had been tortured experienced Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Was McCain one of the 85% or was he one of the lucky 15%?
There is every reason to suspect that McCain suffered deep-seated psychological trauma while a prisoner of war. He himself says that he was “reduced to an animal” and “broken”. He signed confessions – “I am a black criminal and have performed the deeds of an air pirate” – and made broadcasts denouncing his own country and its actions in the war. In fact, so great was his propensity to tell his captors what they wanted to hear, that, in the camp, McCain acquired the name of “Songbird”.
Bear in mind that McCain’s medals were awarded for resisting torture. Yet where was the resistance? Perhaps it is this gulf between the perception and the reality of John McCain that explains why so many Vietnam veterans’ groups openly despise him.
However much pity we might feel for a prisoner of war subjected to such intense pressures, the record is clear : McCain was no war hero. He was, rather, a coward, an incompetent, a collaborator and a traitor.
You don’t have to subscribe to the fully-fledged “Manchurian Candidate” hypothesis to fear that the long term psychological effects of McCain’s imprisonment make him unfit to be president. In McCain’s own words from his book Flags of our Fathers “solitary confinement causes some mental deterioration in even the most resilient personalities”. McCain later admitted that he was so ashamed of his own capitulation that he tried to commit suicide twice. Psychologists who evaluated McCain upon his return said that he had grown used to living in a fantasy world. When the camp guards came with food, he “was often so much in his private world, that he strongly resented their coming around and bringing him back to reality by intruding. He was enjoying his fantasies so much.”
So did McCain suffer psychological damage from his experience? To answer this, we’d need full access to McCain’s medical records, including the psychological evaluations he was subjected to after returning from Vietnam. Unfortunately, that access has never been granted. During his previous unsuccessful run for the presidency, the McCain campaign allowed only a few select journalists to briefly have access to a partial and redacted version of McCain’s medical history.
For years McCain has been known for his powderkeg temper. Many people, including even his own Republican colleagues, have seen the dark side of the man, which tends to manifest itself in the form of an almost hysterical anger, as he shouts and curses at those he disagrees with. Sometimes, McCain returns afterwards to apologise for his outbursts, showing that he had lost control of himself. Passion is no doubt commendable in a presidential candidate. But is that all it is? It seems much more likely that his angry bursts of temper are really manifestations of the lingering psychological fractures he suffered in the Vietnam war. Does America really need an unstable, psychologically stressed “war hero” to have his finger on the nuclear button?
Three years of radio propaganda for the Vietcong. No injuries other than those sustained in the crash. The still communist Vietnamese, who have no reason to lie, called him “Songbird” and said he gave up before they laid a finger on him.
How is this NOT proof that McShameful is a traitor?
Mary_Caruso
Posted May 14, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
I have also noticed that Nathan never disagrees with his dad, he’s like “mini me” in the Austin Powers movies….what is THAT all about?
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At least not in public he doesn’t.
I mean you don’t post the disagreements with your husband do you?
Oops, never mind, females tend to do that. :D
“American – perhaps we should also teach the religion of MY ancestors – the ORIGINAL Americans before your immigrant horde invaded the continent.”
Who are your ancestors and what was their religion?
Now see, that’s funny…I find the people who read the bible the most are the problem with America.
Here you go LR2, words from the second most decorated Veteran since General MacArthur, also the cell mate of Senator McCain while both were POW.
John McCain rarely speaks about his experiences as a POW in Vietnam, but one of his cell mates at the Hanoi Hilton on Thursday described some of the conditions and character traits that earned McCain the commendations he received for his war service.
Col. George “Bud” Day, 83, is the most decorated service man since Gen. Douglas MacArthur, with more than 70 medals. A living legend, Day was blown out of the sky two months to the day before the North Vietnamese shot down a propaganda prize, whose father and grandfather were renowned American admirals.
“They told me we were gonna get a roommate and it was gonna be the prince. The Vietnamese called him the prince so I asked my nurse what was his name? They said John McCain,” Day told FOX News.
Both he and McCain were taken captive in 1967, and held until their release in 1973.
Day said the first time he saw McCain, he believed the future senator was close to death and that the only reason for the chance encounter was part of a Vietnamese ploy to break the morale of U.S. servicemen already in captivity.
“I took one look at him, and my brain instantly said, ‘They dropped this guy off on me to claim that we let him die,’” Day said. “He was just emaciated. Very, very skinny, in this full body cast. Just filthy.”
The U.S. soldiers were held sometimes five to a cell, barely big enough for two.
“He had this gimpy knee where he’d busted his knee, this arm had been fractured in a couple places, he’d been bayoneted in the leg, this arm was out at the shoulder and, in fact, during that time it was out at the shoulder so long it wore a hole in this bone,” Day said.
During captivity, they were tortured mercilessly, Day said, describing one tactic that McCain has also recalled.
“They roped me under the arms, tied my hands behind my back, ran another rope to that, got me up on a chair, threw that rope up over a rafter and jerked the chair out from under me and your own weight just tears your body apart,” he said.
Day’s broken arm was re-broken during torture so he would never fly again. McCain played physical therapist.
“John said, ‘Well we’ll gather up some bamboo, and he was in a bandage on his leg at that time. So I got some strips of bamboo, smuggled them into the room, John put his foot in my arm pit and pulled on my wrist ’till we could get the bone forced back down … it wasn’t exactly perfect but it worked out he got it back to where it was functional,” Day said.
But nerve damage was extensive — his crushed hands were useless. Meanwhile, McCain was treated no better than the trash they were fed in the form of a soup.
“I mean you could smell him for 25 feet. Bunch of food and nasty stuff in his hair, and down his neck and inside his cast. The cast was not lined so every time he would move inside this cast, it was just eating a hole in his arm or his elbow or someplace, and he was just in — he was in pain,” Day recalled.
Yet McCain, now 71, made efforts to help Day recover from his own injuries, Day said.
Day said he had limited use of his arms, which was a result of a combination of torture and the initial plane crash that put him in the hands of his captors — an ordeal that earned Day the Congressional Medal of Honor.
“And when I finally did regain use of that, it was after months and months of dragging this hand and finger on the wall of the prison cell,” Day said, walking his fingers up the air like he did many years ago.
“John would help me. … John would pull my fingers out straight. They would just instantly recurl. And finally, one morning, I had just the slightest bit of movement in this hand — finger — and we both cried,” Day said.
McCain, whose military record was released to the Associated Press on Wednesday, received 17 commendations over his career from 1951-81. They included the Silver Star for his conduct in captivity. He also received the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star.
Day said by any humane standard, McCain would have been a good candidate for early release from the camp, but that wasn’t in his playbook.
“It also wasn’t in his playbook to die. In fact he quickly became a leader.”
Day said he asked McCain if he would be one of his preachers.
“He said sure. He had a great handle on the Episcopalian liturgy, he could just repeat it verbatim,” he said.
But repeating what he went through during his incarceration is something McCain almost never does as a presidential candidate. Day said he thinks he should.
“I’ve never seen any shortcomings or any shortfall out of him talking about that, but he just doesn’t trade on that. I think he feels that it’s wrong to trade on being a hero, but he is,” Day said.
fox news excerpt
Thanks LR2 for the truth about McBush.
Wait until this fall when America hears the true story of hero/traitor McBush.
All the beer money in the world won’t save his sorry white ass.
Yes women tend to connect to others more readily than men. Some of you men ought to try it sometime and then you might get more compassion.
You sure rely on our compassion a LOT when you’re sick.
I agree, John McCain is a war hero…but I no longer believe he’d make a great president. I’ll always admire him, though.
Chuckle… Oh please, please, let the war protesters and wacko libs start vilifying McCain’s war record. It will p1ss of middle America big time. They will see who’s side they are aligned with in opposing McCain.
Backfire.
Taking care of men for years like I have, there have been some revelations. One thing I noted is that men don’t mind filth, they are very helpless and dependant when sick, and they are much more demanding and attention seeking than my female patients.
But I really like my male patients…but I could never live with them because I’d have to kill them.
Come on Reguliar…faux news???
You are funny as well as a sad old lonely man.
What’s next …a National Enquirer story?
KansasNative
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
Thanks LR2 for the truth about McBush.
Wait until this fall when America hears the true story of hero/traitor McBush.
All the beer money in the world won’t save his sorry white ass.
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Yeah, who ya gonna believe?
A medal of honor winner like Colonel Day who was in the same cell as Senator McCain?
or
Some unknown poster on some unknown blog?
I certainly am not so stupid as to believe faux news.
chortle>
KansasNative
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink
Come on Reguliar…faux news???
You are funny as well as a sad old lonely man.
What’s next …a National Enquirer story?
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You believed a source from an unknown poster from an unknown blog?
Who is more gullible?
The interiew was with Colonel Day, a Medal of Honor winner. It doesn’t matter who the news source was.
“Political_mama
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
Now see, that’s funny…I find the people who read the bible the most are the problem with America.”
Gee, I guessed you really figured it out, this time, Huh P_mama? (tongue in cheek)
The reason America is sooooo screwed up is that the founding fathers read, knew and understood the bible?
At least we agree on something tonight, Reg.
John McCain deserves all the respect America has to offer for his service record.
Gotta go, it’s past my bedtime and I’ve got a long day tomorrow. G’nite ya’ll!
“The reason America is sooooo screwed up is that the founding fathers read, knew and understood the bible?”
Exactly why they believed in the separation of church and state!
Good nite.
Lord, lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from those who think they’re you!!
Amen Mary.
By the way, you mean how angry they’ll be the way that neocons tore Kerry’s war service to shreds?
Is that what you mean?
Don’t expect vets to back McCain…he’s voted against them consistently.
Boy,
Leave it to the anti-religionists to completely misunderstand anything about this country and the constitution!
“Chas
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
Lord, lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from those who think they’re you!!”
Who do you think God is Chas?
Is it the same God of the founding fathers?
Is it the same God of the bible?
What is his name Chas?
Lord, lead us not into temptation,
And deliver us from those who think they’re You!!
Wichita City Manager Search
Date: May 13, 2008
Contact: Communications Team
: (316) 268-4351
Download Pat Salerno’s Resume
Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer announced today that Pat Salerno will be interviewed for the position of Wichita City Manager next Monday and Tuesday, May 19 and 20. Salerno is the former city manager of Sunrise, Florida. His resume is attached.
“Pat Salerno is an experienced and well regarded city manager and comes highly recommended to the City Council by the Citizens Committee assisting in the city manager search,” Mayor Brewer said. “He brings over 20 years experience as the top manager of the City of Sunrise and two large counties in Georgia.”
Mayor Brewer said the search for a city manager was continuing and that the City had engaged Jim Mercer of The Mercer Group, a national search consultant company, to assist in the search.
“I expect the Citizens Committee to recommend additional candidates to the City Council for consideration in the very near future,” the Mayor said.
For additional information, please contact Wichita businessman Steve Martens, chair of the 17-member Citizens Committee charged with screening city manager candidates.
Pat Salerno’s Resume download
http://www.wichita.gov/NR/rdonlyres/33347981-0EBE-4E39-AA60-9AE0F2523066/47182/PatSalernoResume.pdf
Hey Thelma, come looky here! There’s that bunch o morons on the blog. You know, them losers thet come out at night.
http://www.ucc.org/50/resources/study-guide.html
http://www.uccvitality.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=187
http://www.ucc.org/beliefs/theology/
LR2
Posted May 14, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink
“In McCain’s own words from his book Flags of our Fathers”
Incorrect.
Flags of Our Fathers by James Bradley Author.
If one lie, the whole post is questionable.
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/jamesbradley/about_author.html
http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.592941/k.CB7C/Home.htm
Shit, LR2 doesn’t know the difference between Flags of our Fathers and Faith of My Fathers because he never read either book!
All LR2 can do is paste garbage from DemoUnderground.
LR2, what was Flags of Our Fathers all about?
(Quick – Google it!)
Hey Chas!
Which church do you actually work in? I ran into someone from I think the same congregation as you might belong to. Might be interesting to come hear you in the pulpit.
That is so doubtful, AmWay, that its almost funny!! ROFL!!
Darn it Max! Now LR2 can claim it’s a typo.
Heck, he probably would have never found the
name of the correct book.
Oh well. You provided LR2 an education. More valuable than anything on the tape recordings.
Why is it doubtful that one of us would eventually run into someone from your church?
Let’s see — hmmmm — For one thing, you have no clue as to who I am…. For another thing, I seriously doubt that you are anywhere NEAR where I am working…
Check out the AUTHOR of the LR2 post above:
http://www.forandagainst.com/who.php?username=Hidell
The AUTHOR of this piece of shit has a Photo of LEE HARVEY OSWALD next to the AUTHOR’S NAME – Hidell!!!
LR2 is siding with the assasin of JFK!!!
Say AmWay, I’ll go with you to Church this Sunday. Could be fun!
Chas,
I went to the website you provided a link for the Christian Alliance.
Is this something you just stumbled upon? The site hasn’t been updated since 2007.
So? I havent looked at it for a while either… So your point is what??
Wondering what your point was by posting a link to an inactive site.
“I’ll go with you to Church this Sunday. Could be fun!”
Love to Max, if Chas will give us an address.
Here’s Welfare for the Rich
New Farmbill $307 Billion. Great Dem Congress!
Corn and Soybeans are 200 to 300% higher then 3 years ago, yet the Subsidies continue!
“Mr. Bush had sought an adjusted gross income limit of $200,000 above which farmers could not qualify for any subsidy payments. The bill passed by the House, however, allows farm income of up to $750,000 and nonfarm income of $500,000 per individual.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/washington/15farm.html?hp
Bush will catch h*ll in the press when he vetos this. He wanted a Cap of $200,000 per Farmer. Nope, the Dems want to GIVE up to $750,000 per farmer!
Last I checked, the site is still active…
Ping!
gnip
AmWay, Chas keeps trying to track me down.
I can play that game too.
What time is chuch? I hope they allow speaking in tongues there.
I believe the both of you are approaching that strange territory called harassment… Nobody here knows where I live… or where I work… or what Church I am serving… And that is the way it will remain… :roll:
Max, you want to speak in tongues, better go to some pentecostal outfit… LOL
“Bush will catch h*ll in the press when he vetos this. He wanted a Cap of $200,000 per Farmer. Nope, the Dems want to GIVE up to $750,000 per farmer!”
Hey Max, I think I have this figured out. It is perfectly O.K. for liberals to redistribute wealth and provide welfare to individuals. Even rich individuals. In fact, is is even O.K., to give money to people to not work or not farm.
But it is not o.k. to provide tax incentives to evil corporations which are making their money off the sweat of the down-trodden blue collar people.
“you are approaching that strange territory called harassment… ”
LOL Chas, come on most of here know you aren’t really a pastor. If you were, you’d be welcoming us to Christ with open arms and inviting us all to attend services. That way they can pass the collection plate. And now thanks to the IRS, I gotta get a receipt for it to claim my tithe.
9/1/2007
Clinton Campaign Statement on the Four State Pledge
The following is a statement by Clinton Campaign Manager Patti Solis Doyle.
“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.
And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role.
Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.”
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3134
Hillary lied.
Watch it on Youtube!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5690718
A brief history of Hillary’s pledge
The Clinton campaign 9/1/07
Four State Pledge Letter 2008
August 31, 2007
Gosh Max, thats from back in 2007 — You sure it is an active link?? LOL
Hillary Clinton says Michigan Results are Fair! WTF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deGy60y9fo
“Max” and “American way” are incarnations of James McCluer.
Very cute Max — The DU is nothing but trash, unless you want to use it — then it isnt.. Yea, Sure, Right —-
Scroll Over Material here… :-)
BlueJay — Unfortunately, there really are two other posters as vile as Regular… Many of us have told you that before…
Yeah, whatever Hillary said 6 months ago is a long time ago, and her word has now expired. Her word is only good for a short time. Sorta like beer.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/01/edwards-obama-sign-four-state-pledge/
Edwards, Obama Sign ‘Four State Pledge’
By Sarah Wheaton
UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has just announced that they will also sign the “Four-State Pledge.” Here’s the statement from Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager:
We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.
And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role.
Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.
It All Depends On What The Definition Of Pledge IsJanuary 29, 2008 at 10:47 pm
The harshest words you’ll hear tonight won’t come from Mitt Romney against John McCain or Bill Clinton against Barack Obama.
No, that roar you hear thundering through the Internets comes from a place we thought we had left behind: New Hampshire.
Check out this new Manchester Union Leader editorial — if you dare:
COURTING VOTERS in Iowa and New Hampshire, last August Sen. Hillary Clinton signed a pledge not to “campaign or participate” in the Michigan or Florida Democratic primaries. She participated in both primaries and is campaigning in Florida. Which proves, again, that Hillary Clinton is a liar.
Clinton kept her name on the Michigan ballot when others removed theirs, she campaigned this past weekend in Florida, and she is pushing to seat Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention. The party stripped those states of delegates as punishment for moving up their primary dates.
“I will try to persuade my delegates to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida,” Clinton said last week, after the New Hampshire primaries and Iowa caucuses were safely over.
Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa. Her promise was not a vague statement. It was a signed pledge with a clear and unequivocal meaning.
http://www.extrememortman.com/2008-campaign/it-all-depends-on-what-the-definition-of-pledge-is/
Max, all your ranting is ancient history — no relevance to today, or yesterday, or even tomorrow!! SCROLL OVER MAX!!!
“Clinton coldly and knowingly lied to New Hampshire and Iowa. Her promise was not a vague statement. It was a signed pledge with a clear and unequivocal meaning.”
What I cannot for the life of me understand, is how the liberals drink this koolaid up? Can’t they see the truth?
Hillary, like slick willy before her, is so smooth at actually telling a lie and reversing her stance – that they do not even recognize it for what it is.
No integrity. No commitment. Willing to lie and change her promise – do ANYthing to get elected.
And they continue to praise Hillary.
It’s nuts!
“Max, you want to speak in tongues, better go to some pentecostal outfit… ”
Max don’t listen to Chas. You have the God given ability to speak in tongues whenever you get the urge.
It was given to us by Jesus Christ, the lamb, who didn’t just die for our sins – but also to allow us to live a more abundant life (John 10:10). It is one of the gifts of the holy spirit. And since Christ assended into heaven, and since ACTS Chapter II, when the first Christians were gathered together in the upper room, and first spoke in tongues, so can the entire Church of Christ.
I trust my instincts Chas.
AmWay,
They shamelessly try to cover up Hillary’s broken Pledge.
How can you believe anything Hillary says?
“BlueJay
Posted May 14, 2008 at 11:32 pm | Permalink
I trust my instincts Chas.”
Put your instincts where they would do some good and email, call, or write the editor of the WEBLOG if you suspect someone is violating the posting rules.
I have emailed Mr. Brownlee myself on occassion and I am quite certain he will investigate your concerns. He has for me.
So knock off the childish posting JR/BLUEJAY and grow up. It is tiring and every bit as trollish as those you suppose to be the same.
“They shamelessly try to cover up Hillary’s broken Pledge.”
I don’t think they are all smart enough to cover it up.
They are either in denial or lack the intelligence to see through Hillary’s chants. It could be like Jonestown, they just want to believe so badly, they just drink the koolaid and don’t protest.
Funny, the NAACP also wants Florida and Michigan votes to count.
Isn’t the NAACP siding with Obama for OBVIOUS reasons?
So Obama wants to break HIS pledge too!?!
THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF LIARS!
Copy of letter NAACP Chairman Julian Bond sent to DNC Chair Howard Dean
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080212_naacpletter.html
Lacking of intelligence? That’s more likely.
Deny!
Deny!
Deny!
That’s a Bill Clinton tactic!
You can settle this easily “American way”
You and I can meet.
IF I am wrong I will humbly say so.
But I’m not.
Clinton Beats Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/politics/14dems.html?bl&ex=1210996800&en=184fe9e64c13a342&ei=5087
(No comment. I just liked the headline! Obama is sortof a wimp. I picture Hillary whacking him over the head repeatedly with her purse.)
Look out AmWay!
JR has a hard-on for ya.
So Max, are you still working on your “fair tax” budget proposal – you know – with actual spending cut figures to produce a surplus budget and pay for your lost revenues?
Max is most enjoying talking to himself with worthless drivel… And I have early appointments…. Soooo….
Good night; Good luck; God bless -
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
JR, you think too highly of yourself. There are a few bloggers here I would love to meet someday. But you are not on the list.
Settle your issue with the editors of the WEBLOG.
You know the drill, the email address is on this page. I doubt you are man enough.
But I don’t care what you think.
“JR has a hard-on for ya.”
I know it Max. But as much as I try to keep off admirers, he is one of those persistent ones who are craving attention.
He is so stupid he doesn’t even realize –
He would have to meet BOTH of us!
Clark, I replied the other day to you.
It’s not MY plan that you have to worry about.
What’s Obama’s plan to balance the budget?
” And I have early appointments…. Soooo….”
Likely story Chas. My grandfather clock just struck twelve. I’m guessing you just lost a slipper.
That wouldn’t be fair AmWay, to gang up on poor lil JR.
It’s more fun just to watch him drown in his own hateful and bitter stew.
But, THE SUN WILL COME UP, TOMORROW!
TOMORROW!
TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY!
” But I don’t care what you think. ”
Uh huh. Defensive much?
I’ve met more bloggers than any other poster here.
Of course, if you have something to hide…
“Clark, I replied the other day to you.”
No you didn’t Max – you came up with a plan with $120 billion in spending cuts – the deficit for 2009 is projected – at CURRENT revenue levels – to be $600 billion.
Your plan would cut revenues substantially by cutting the tax rates for the upper incomes brackets from 39% to 20%.
So your plan would result in an even larger deficit.
Is that what you Republics call “fiscal responsibility?”
And Max, giving large tax cuts to the top income brackets – trickle down economics – has never come CLOSE to providing a balanced budget.
Get used to diversions Clark. Supporting Obama like you do, you need some practice at it.
What was that you posted AmWay? $845 Billion is the Bill Obama introduced, to give taxpayer dollars to foreign governments?
Is Obama running for President of the US, or some other country?
First Nationwide Concealed Carry, Now We Can Carry in National Parks too!
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/05/12/nationalparks_guns/
Concealed carrying of firearms may come to national parks
by Stephanie Hemphill, Minnesota Public Radio
May 14, 2008
“Get used to diversions Clark. Supporting Obama like you do, you need some practice at it.”
Huh?
What the Hell does that have to do with anything?
Dang……………………………………
“$845 Billion is the Bill Obama ”
Something like that. But your point is well taken. Obama will be very good at spending other peoples money.
And Clark pretends to care about a balanced budget and the deficit. Please. All these greedy politicians will continue to run it up.
“$845 Billion is the Bill Obama ”
Something like that. But your point is well taken. Obama will be very good at spending other peoples money.
And Clark pretends to care about a balanced budget and the deficit. Please. All these greedy politicians will continue to run it up.
“watch him drown in his own hateful and bitter stew”
Appears to be happening on all threads tonight for the poor guy.
Remember when JR reappeared and said he would save the blog. “Here I come to save the day! Mighty Mouse is on the way!”
Can’t get a job and provide for his own family, but by golly he will save the blog. HA!
“And Clark pretends to care about a balanced budget and the deficit.”
Bullshit, Amway, that is a god damned lie.
I have been concerned about deficit spending and national debt since the late SEVENTIES when our debt did not even total $1 trillion.
You can just STFU – you don’t know a god damned thing about me.
$845 Billion sent overseas won’t exactly enable Obama Man to balance the budget.
Now add up all his other promised programs including National Healthcare, and this guy is gonna have to DOUBLE everyone’s taxes!
You can’t support Obama if you give a damn about the budget.
“American way” and “Max” are just James McCluer until proved otherwise.
I offer them that chance for proof.
What is it James says?
bawk bawk bawk
“$845 Billion sent overseas won’t exactly enable Obama Man to balance the budget.”
Provide a link to prove that Obama has proposed sending $0.85 TRILLION to foreign governments.
“You can’t support Obama if you give a damn about the budget.”
You can’t support a Republican if you give a damn about the budget.
When Reagan took office, the debt was less than $1 trillion, but for shits and grins, round it UP.
Clinton added $1.5 trillion to the debt.
Bush is going to add $600 billion (minimum) to the debt in fiscal 2009 which begins in October 2008.
The debt is currently at $9.4 trillion, add the Bush $600 billion for a round $10 trillion.
Doing the REAL basic math, $7.5 trillion of our National Debt has been accumulated under the last three Republic presidents.
Even Max should be able to figure out that totals 75%.
Big Man JR saving the world.
Ooops time for max to go back to his locked room now. the one with all the padding. nite max!
“American” foolishly posted >>>>
“Contrast the attitudes above with the words of Abraham Lincoln on the way to Washington, D.C. to be inaugurated President in the time of our greatest national crisis: “I shall be most happy indeed if I shall be an humble instrument in the hands of the Almighty.”
And just think, Lincoln had a lot less experience at just about everything than Obama, and yet he was the “right man” for the job in the time of our greatest national crisis…
Must make Obama a little more qualified than Lincoln…
Albert Einstein Wrote >>>>
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”
“For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion
So much for Einstein on religion.
Einstein was right.
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