Talk about stumbling your way through an interview. Stewart makes this guy look like a buffoon. The show is also on the link:
No yuks as Stewart presses Iraq War architect on honesty.
Former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, who was at the heart of the Bush administration’s selective cherry-picking of intelligence to make its case for the invasion of Iraq, appeared on The Daily Show on Monday to promote his new book about the run-up to the war.
The central premise of Feith’s book, which he repeated over and over to Jon Stewart, is that although there were errors in some of the administration’s claims about the dangers posed by Saddam Hussein, the people making those statements were not being intentionally dishonest and did not set out to mislead the American public http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Realities_collide_Jon_Stewart_interviews_Douglas_0513.html
In day 4 of a Washington Post series, Careless Detention, it is revealed that the United States has injected hundreds of foreigners without their consent with dangerous mind-altering drugs for trips returning them to their home countries, according to government documents, medical records, and interviews with some of the actual people who were drugged.
From the report:
The government’s forced use of antipsychotic drugs, in people who have no history of mental illness, includes dozens of cases in which the “pre-flight cocktail,” as a document calls it, had such a potent effect that federal guards needed a wheelchair to move the slumped deportee onto an airplane. “Unsteady gait. Fell onto tarmac,” says a medical note on the deportation of a 38-year-old woman to Costa Rica in late spring 2005. Another detainee was “dragged down the aisle in handcuffs, semi-comatose,” according to an airline crew member’s written account. Repeatedly, documents describe immigration guards “taking down” a reluctant deportee to be tranquilized before heading to an airport. In a Chicago holding cell early one evening in February 2006, five guards piled on top of a 49-year-old man who was angry he was going back to Ecuador, according to a nurse’s account in his deportation file. As they pinned him down so the nurse could punch a needle through his coveralls into his right buttock, one officer stood over him menacingly and taunted, “Nighty-night.” Such episodes are among more than 250 cases The Washington Post has identified in which the government has, without medical reason, given drugs meant to treat serious psychiatric disorders to people it has shipped out of the United States since 2003 — the year the Bush administration handed the job of deportation to the Department of Homeland Security’s new Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE. Involuntary chemical restraint of detainees, unless there is a medical justification, is a violation of some international human rights codes. The practice is banned by several countries where, confidential documents make clear, U.S. escorts have been unable to inject deportees with extra doses of drugs during layovers en route to faraway places. Federal officials have seldom acknowledged publicly that they sedate people for deportation. The few times officials have spoken of the practice, they have understated it, portraying sedation as rare and “an act of last resort.” Neither is true, records and interviews indicate.
The most frequently used drugs in the sedation ‘cocktail’ are haldol, an anti-psychotic medication that “gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals.” Ativan, used to control anxiety, and Cogentin, a medication that supposedly lessens Haldol’s side effects of muscle spasms and rigidity.
The medically recommended dosage for the Haldol alone, from the report:
For aggressive behavior, 0.5 milligrams twice a day to 5 milligrams three times a day, although doses of up to 10 milligrams a day may be used in a hospital emergency room.
The U.S. made flight layovers during some trips with sedated detainees, and as there are foreign nations that forbid the practice, the report also details some run-ins between flight nurses and foreign officials, which in one instance resulted in a detainee being returned to Atlanta, GA from a layover in France.
“Hillary kicked some major ass yesterday.”
Is she still hanging out at the bars trying to prove she’s “one of the guys”?
She’s such a streotypical politician…will do or say anything to get elected. I have totally lost what little respect I had for her.
People need to read this for no other reason than how this administration cares little for the average American, and insulates business from the consequences of the faulty products foisted off on that same public.
I’m all for lawsuit reform, but this is ridiculous:
WASHINGTON – Faced with an unfriendly Congress, the Bush administration has found another, quieter way to make it more difficult for consumers to sue businesses over faulty products. It’s rewriting the bureaucratic rulebook.
Lawsuit limits have been included in 51 rules proposed or adopted since 2005 by agency bureaucrats governing just about everything Americans use: drugs, cars, railroads, medical devices and food.
I read the article J M Walker and the conclusions are all wrong. The woman who sued because an anti-nausea drug was injected into her artery caused a condition for her arm to be amputated.
It is well known in certain medical circles that certain types of medications are caustic when applied outside the tissue for which it is intended.
*One doesn’t put stomach medication in the eyes
*One doesn’t use foot cream in the nose
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
The fault is the medical care provider who was sloppy and injected the drug in the wrong site. Every one who is certified to inject and draw blood knows how to tell if they are in an artery or not. Evidently, the person who did this was reckless and caused a major trauma to the woman.
The tendency of lawyers to sue anyone and everyone associated with the case is sour grapes and is what is wrong with litigious issues.
The drug company did not cause the arm to be amputated because the wrong avenue of injection was done. There is no case there.
The injury portion of the case was caused by the medical care provider who injected the drug into the artery.
Gosh Mary, I meant to mention this to Monkey yesterday too.
I saw obama on tv with his jacket off and his sleeves rolled up and he was shooting pool and working REALLY hard to be seen as one of the guys. I saw that clip multiple times yesterday. Not as many as the awful bowling clip, you know, where he tried in PA to be seen as a regular guy by making an ass of himself bowling.
So.. I’m really sure barack hangs out in pool halls on a regular basis. And bowling alleys.
Just like Hillary hangs out in bars and throws back shots on a regular basis.
JMWalker
Posted May 14, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink
Reg, what the hell are you talking about?
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You don’t even read your own articles that you reference J M Walker? Here’s a quote from that article you gave.
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Later this year, the Supreme Court will wade into the issue of federal preemption as it relates to lawsuits and prescription drug labeling. The defendant drugmaker contends it should not be in the lawsuit because the FDA had approved the warning label on the drug.
The company is trying to overturn a $6.8 million award given a woman whose arm had to be amputated after anti-nausea medication was inadvertently injected into an artery.
In some instances, judges seem as exercised as consumer advocates about the FDA’s undermining of lawsuits under state tort law.
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The point being is that the trial lawyers were suing the drug company. The drug company had nothing to do with the screw up by the medical person who injected the drug in the wrong spot.
No JM Walker, you are missing the point. It’s about trial lawyers whining about not being able to sue anyone and everyone from the guy who made the needle to the miner who pulled the minerals out of the ground that the needle is composed of.
The person that should be sued is the one who injected the drug into the artery, not the drug manufacturer.
There are many drugs out there that if injected arterially instead of intravenous will cause harm.
“The real-world impact of preemption will be on display Wednesday when a congressional committee hears from actor Dennis Quaid and his wife, who have sued a maker of the blood-thinner heparin in Illinois state court.
The Quaids sued after their newborn twins were given massive doses of the blood thinner at a hospital. The Quaids claim the manufacturer was negligent in packaging different doses of the product in similar vials with blue backgrounds. ”
. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.
There will always be bad lawsuits by scumbag trial lawyers, but that hardly calls for making it more difficult for injured parties to collect damages from parties guilty of wrong doing. That is what this administration is doing for no other reason than to protect business from a wronged public.
I get it, alright. You are indeed a republican, with the same principles: birth em, send em on their way, and give em nothing, except the chair.
Now you’re changing horses in mid-stream JMWalker, talking about a completely different case. In that case involving heparin(I think), the packaging may be the fault.
In the case involving injecting a drug in the wrote site, it was clearly the fault of the medical care provider, not the drug manufacture.
Regardless, medical care providers are trained to read labels, not use colors.
Ever look at IV bags? They all look quite similar. However, I’m very sure that dextrose IV solution and saline IV solution have different purposes and the words “Saline and Dextrose” are clearly labeled on the package.
Plus, there are several levels of protection that are supposed to be in place in hospitals to prevent such things such as the second case you cited.
*ability of the medical care provider to be trained and certified on obtaining, prescribing and using said drugs under label direction of the manufacturer.
*that records for drug administration is signed off by more than one person.
**The person issueing the drug
**The physician signing off on the drug for use.
**The technician or nurse or physician administering the drug.
You know JMWalker, anti-freeze is a pretty color of green, just like some of that flavored kool-aid. However, it will shut down your kidneys in a heartbeat if you drink anti-freeze.
Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?
We are bitchin’ in Kansas about the pollution from burning coal, but we dont think much about what the coal companies are willing to do to GET that cheap coal to Holcomb.
Yeah, read that article kfg and the first thing that caught me was a historical inaccuracy. Sorry, it’s affliction of mine.
the forests where Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett roamed, the hills that bred the soldiers who followed Andrew Jackson, the frontier hollows that cradled our democracy, the wilderness wellspring of our values, our virtues, our national character – all being leveled.
The Boone family did not roam the hills of West Virginia. West Virginia wasn’t even a state back then. The Boone family and more specifically Daniel Boone and his less famous brother, Preacher Boone, lived in North Carolina. The reason I know this, is that my ancestral family on my maternal side had land about 10 miles from the Boone settlement in Rowan County North Carolina.
It’s useless trying to communicate with you. Again, you miss the whole point. Changing horses? That was not from the same article? An article pointing out the fact this administration is using its position to bypass congress, as usual?
“. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.”
The words “stressed out” are not written lightly. The whole medical profession is stressed out, and mistakes are made. But the article only used the medical side as an example. There’s a whole lot more to it than that, but I doubt you can see that.
“Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?”
Whatever favor I happen to like at the time, not that it’s any of your business.
What kind of cool-aid does one have to drink to become a republican lap-dog of business, and a bane to humanity?
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
Daniel Boone was born November 2, 1734 in a log cabin in Berks County, near present-day Reading, Pennsylvania. Boone is one of the most famous pioneers in United States history. He spent most of his life exploring and settling the American frontier.
Boone had little formal education, but he did learn the skills of a woodsmen early in life. By age 12 his sharp hunter’s eye and skill with a rifle helped keep his family well provided with wild game. In 1756 Boone married Rebecca Bryan, a pioneer woman with great courage and patience. He spent most of the next ten years hunting and farming to feed his family. In 1769 a trader and old friend, John Findley, visited Boone’s cabin. Findley was looking for an overland route to Kentucky and needed a skilled woodsman to guide him. In 1769 Boone, Findley and five men traveled along wilderness trails and through the Cumberland gap in the Appalachian mountains into Kentucky. They found a “hunter’s paradise” filled with buffalo, deer, wild turkey and meadows ideal for farming. Boone vowed to return with his family one day.
In 1775 Boone and 30 other woodsmen were hired to improve the trails between the Carolinas and the west. The resulting route reached into the heart of Kentucky and became known as the “Wilderness Road.” That same year Boone built a fort and village called Boonesborough in Kentucky, and moved his family over the Wilderness Trail to their new home.
Boone had numerous encounters with the native people of Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. In 1776, Shawnee warriors kidnapped his daughter and two other girls. Two days later Boone caught up with the Indians and through surprise attack rescued the girls. In 1778, he was captured by another band of Shawnee. Boone learned that the tribe was planning an attack on Boonesborough. He negotiated a settlement with Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee, preventing the attack. The Indians admired their captive for his skill as a hunter and woodsman and adopted him into their tribe as a son of Blackfish. He escaped when he learned the Shawnee, at the instigation of the British, were planning another attach on Boonesborough. The settlement was reinforced and provisioned in preparation for the assault. When British soldiers and the Indians attacked, Boonesborough withstood a ten-day siege and Chief Blackfish and the British finally withdrew.
After the Revolutionary War, Boone worked as a surveyor along the Ohio River and settled for a time in Kanawha County, Virginia (now West Virginia). In 1792, Kentucky was admitted into the Union as the 15th state. Litigation arose that questioned many settlers’ title to their lands. Boone lost all his property due to lack of clear title. In 1799, he followed his son, Daniel Morgan Boone, to Missouri which was then under the dominion of Spain. Traveling by canoe, he and his family paddled down the Ohio River to St. Louis.
In 1800, Boone was appointed magistrate of the Femme Osage District in St. Charles County, Missouri. He received a large tract of land for his services. When Missouri was transferred to the United States as part of the Louisiana Purchase, Boone once again lost all his land, most of which was sold to satisfy creditors in Kentucky. Boone’s wife Rebecca died on March 18, 1813. He spent his remaining years living in his son Nathan’s home in the St. Charles area. He went on his final hunting trip at the age of 83.
Daniel Boone died on September 26, 1820 at the age of 85. In 1845 the remains of Boone and his wife were moved to Kentucky to rest in the great pioneer’s “hunter’s paradise.” There is some controversy surrounding the final disposition of Boone’s remains. Some say that Daniel and Rebecca are still in Missouri, and that the wrong remains were removed and re-buried. Others have demanded the return of the bodies to Missouri. http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95nov/boone.html
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Regular
Posted May 14, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
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I believe I answered all questions to my satisfaction. You, on the other hand, have totally ignored to context of the article. But that’s to be expected: you’re a republican.
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
And my birth name was Crockett. Touche reg!
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Yeah, but did you kill a ‘bar’ when you were only three?
I think the article JMWalker posts about the regulatory limitation of lawsuits bears out some key points:
1) Those who wish to have the government regulate often get what they ask for, with results they did not. We have asked for these beuarocratic regulators to supplant and interpert the law. (an example is Bremby and the coal plants). WHen they do their regulatory jobs, as interperpteted by the executive branch, they are susceptible to poltiical jockeying. Rightly or wrongly. Because they are in the executive branch.
2) See the above, and then ask why in the hell we want federal regulators to be in charge of more stuff, such as healthcare.
3)If a company is engaged in business that puts in underal federal guidelines, becaue of “interstate commerce” rules, then the in my opinion, the federal courts have sway, and the state courts should not have juridistion IMHO
4) In the Heparin case, why should be manufacturer be sued? The drug, and THE PACKAGING, was approved by the FDA. They furnished a product approved in all aspects by the federal government! THere is no claim of false reports to the FDA. Why would the company be at fault for following federal regulations?
Because it has deep pockets attorneys can go for, the only reason.
I have been overworked, I have been tired, I have been in the back of an ambulance with critically ill patients that were screraming and crying and all sorts of things. I have never failed to look at the fricking package to make sure I was using the right thing. The caregiver was at fault. Not the manufacturer. But the caregiver didn;t have deep pockets, huh.
4) in the case of the lady having her arm amputated, again the damned drug was ot used according to directions! Damn! Hold people accountable! A Damned caregiver doesn;t know the difference between a vein and an artery! SO the manufacturer is at fault! BULL SHIFT
5) People hate the government, and people hate companies. They have been taught the same by those of and idealogical bent, that the government is first of all the supplier of all good things, unless you disagree with it, then it is the supplier of all evil in the world. The second is an anti-capitolist agenda and thought process that says that capitolism is wrong, that it is evil, and all human suffering comes from it.
6) Some of the statements bye trial associaiton is an example of what lawyers do best…. bs on behalf of themselves and sometimes, their clients.
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
May even be hope for Kansas.
Democrats win Mississippi special election By Matthew Bigg
Wed May 14, 1:07 AM ET
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Mississippi Democrat Travis Childers won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election on Tuesday that analysts said should serve as a warning to Republicans gearing up for November’s congressional elections.
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Childers defeated Greg Davis in a run-off to fill a vacant seat in Mississippi’s first congressional district, according to projections reported by local media.
Vice President Dick Cheney and the state’s Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.
Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, who is viewed by some Mississippi voters as too liberal.
The win expanded the Democratic majority in Congress to 236 versus 199 seats held by the Republican Party, according to the chairman of the Congressional Democratic Caucus, Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who described it as a “political thunderbolt.”
“It is yet another rejection of the House Republican agenda, the Bush administration’s misguided policies, and John McCain’s campaign for a third Bush term,” Van Hollen said.
Most of the attention this election cycle has focused on the race to succeed Bush, but the two parties are locked in an equally competitive battle for the House and Senate, with Democrats seeking to extend slim majorities.
Childers’ win follows two gains by Democrats in seats in Louisiana and Illinois and suggests that formerly solid Republican districts might be up for grabs in November.
Does bush only support corrupt leaders?
First Iraq, now Israel.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush arrived in the Middle East on Wednesday to celebrate Israel’s 60th birthday and try to energize peace efforts complicated by a corruption scandal that could topple Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
I don;t know if it spells hope or disaster for the country, but I expect a Democrat in the Whitehouse, and Democratic majorities in both the senate and the house.
They’re pretty good. Beardies were developed in the Scotland Highlands for sheep. Really quite intelligent and hard working dogs.
AKC trials are pretty much set up for the Border Collie stile of herding. Border Collies are ‘eye’ dogs. Bearded Collies are ’stand up loose eyed dogs’.
I guess Nathaniel missed these two quotes in his Bible reading.
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
“And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, King James Version.
Well Good Morning Nathaniel. I wasn’t expecting your return last night. My loss. I was wondering if you, the professional Bible Reader, could enlighten me, the amateur Bible Reader, regarding Chas?
Oh Predestined. You don’t want to try to use the Bible against Nathaniel. You will lose your professional Bible License. ALAS, you will be condemned to the title “Amateur Bible Reader”
Thank you for the concern, VET. Unfortunately, I’m well aware of Nathaniel’s modus operandi. We’ve tangled before, useless as it was. I have no intention of debating him on the Bible. I just thought I’d offer a reminder of what his Savior preached.
BTW, there are versions of the “Golden Rule” in 21 religions.
SquarePeg
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
Regular –
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
Where would you suggest putting them?? LOL
Must be one of those blasted typos!!
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Here’s your first clue, intravenous means in the vein.
Arteries are vessels meant for outflow of blood from the heart.
Veins are vessels that pump blood towards and into the heart (i.e. venous return.)
When veins are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flow is slow, seeping and pools.
When arteries are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flows is abrupt as arteries have much more pressure (pushed from the heart via the circulatory system.)
Surely there Squarepeg, Chas, Das, Sugar, you did not pay attention in basic biology to NOT KNOW the difference between arteries and veins.
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Nathaniel
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
Littlejohn,
You must be nothing but a Republican lap dog to have such a well spoken opinion like that……
Seriously,
We have a problem with law suits in this country and JM Walker is up there crying about reform????
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No, Nathan, I don’t have a problem with reform. I do have a problem with this administrations willingness to bypass the system in order to protect business. But, gee, I guess every lawsuit brought by an injured party or parties is “a problem” in your eyes. Tell that to the people who died because of tainted meat, which the slaughter house failed to inspect, or the people dead because of “fen-fen.” Or any lawsuit brought against any drug manufacturer for falsifying test results. Gee, that never happens, does it?
How about toy manufactures who get their products made in China, and have their kids come down with lead poisoning from eating the paint. Think the manufacturers aren’t responsible? Why do you think they failed to know the paint had lead in it? Could it be the test cost money, and the manufactures were too cheap to have the testing done? Or maybe they just “trusted” the chinese to do the right thing. Good thing that never happened.
Or how about Enron? Sure no cause for a lawsuit there, is there.
My point is frivolous lawsuits should be paid, both sides, by the person bringing the suit. Legitimate suits do exist, and deserve their day in court. But this administration is loading the issue on the side of business. That is NOT a fair playing field.
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
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The kids or the ducks:-)
The Age of the Universe: This guy, based on a study of the Torah (Old testamant), gets about 15-16 BILLION years. Of course, he is Jewish so what does he know?
“So the only data I use as far as Biblical commentary goes is ancient commentary. That means the text of the Bible itself (3300 years ago), the translation of the Torah into Aramaic by Onkelos (100 CE), the Talmud (redacted about the year 500 CE), and the three major Torah commentators. There are many, many commentators, but at the top of the mountain there are three, accepted by all: Rashi (11th century France), who brings the straight understanding of the text, Maimonides (12th century Egypt), who handles the philosophical concepts, and then Nachmanides (13th century Spain), the earliest of the Kabbalists.
This ancient commentary was finalized long before Hubbell was a gleam in his great-grandparent’s eye. So there’s no possibility of Hubbell or any other modern scientific data influencing these concepts.”
If you were Iran, would this give you a sense of security? Or, would it make it more likely that you’d better take care of your own National Security interest?
U.S. says Iran security pledge not on table in atom row
The United States said on Wednesday six world powers had no plans to offer Iran security guarantees to encourage it to suspend nuclear activity, hours after Russia floated the idea
Obviously, Phantom, Iran should unilaterally disarm and then simply surrender to anyone who wants to invade and take their resources. That is clearly what Bush wants them to do.
/sarcasm off
Years ago when we wanted to keep japan disarmed part of the deal was a protection pact.
The funny thing is VET that my own interpretations of the science AND Scripture do not preclude the existence of God behind everything. I just don’t think that the fallible mortal humans who wrote the stuff down had a precsie ‘blow-by-blow’ description to work with. To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever come up with original contemporaneously written texts from the Creation or from the Garden.
An observation - it is largely those who want their OWN right to be armed (presumably to protect themselves) who want to disarm entire countries and leave them at the tender mercies of any aggressor who decides to invade.
Saddam disarmed after Gulf 1 - that was verified by the inspectors. What happened to him?
Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened - the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God.
Saddam did invade Kuwait. In that regard he is a different animal. However, to invade Iraq based on faulty intelligence can cause unrest. If the US could somehow convince the region that such a stupid mistake wouldn’t happen again. It might help.
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope. If you want to use satire to show how much stupidity may follow, fine. I was just asking you whether or not you really believed those examples of stupidity would follow. Hence, I was asking you if you were certain there was no “slippery slope” My point regarding “verily verily” is that some creationists see the Bible as an authoritative document. Hence, my satire about Nathaniel’s “regulation” I will admit that I showed poor form on more than one occasion. I will try not to offend.
LLTVET
Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope.
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LLVET,
In actuality you didn’t state that creationists saw a slippery slope, you said that Christians see a slippery slope. I took exception to the statement as I consider myself to be a Christian who has a view about creation and evolution that is probably more mainstream than the creationist view.
Following is your quote: Notice the use of the word “ridiculous” right before you assigned slippery slope to Christians.
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LLTVET
Posted May 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink Well Regular: Do you really think that such ridiculous changes will be made? For some reason, Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.
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Creationists in this discussion context are usually Christian and are a subset of Christianity in general. But not all Christians are strict Creationists.
This is the bug-a-boo I have with Evolutionists when they start throwing everything in the stew pot and make broad sweeping generalizations.
Reg: Those “ridiculous” changes that I was referring to were you satirical showings from last nights page. You were using satire to show ridiculous effects that may come about. I agreed that they would be ridiculous. I just wanted to know if you really saw them as possible. If you did, then you would have been guilty of the slippery slope.
Then LLVET, you should have said what you meant to say and not followed on with the “Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.”
Nothing wrong with being straight forward.
You were correct about me using satire.
Evasive discussion technique doesn’t do any good. If you have something to say, “try just turning right, instead of making three left turns” to say something.
Obama woos working-class voters in Michigan By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago
WARREN, Mich. - Democrat Barack Obama, campaigning in a state that poses several challenges for him in the fall, appealed to working-class voters Wednesday with a pledge to pump billions of dollars into efforts to revitalize the nation’s manufacturing sector.
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One day after blue-collar workers overwhelmingly rejected him in West Virginia’s presidential primary, Obama came to this auto-making suburb of Detroit to announce plans to create an “advanced manufacturing fund” to promote industries likely to keep jobs in the United States rather than see them move overseas.
Biggest jump in food prices in 18 yrs., of little concern for all except those that have to budget for food. (Not the Base).
Inflation pressures ease despite food price jump By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Inflation pressures eased a bit in April despite the biggest jump in food prices in 18 years.
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The Labor Department reported Wednesday that consumer prices edged up 0.2 percent last month, compared to a 0.3 percent rise in March.
The lower inflation reflected a flat reading for energy, which helped offset a 0.9 percent jump in food costs as prices climbed for many basic items, from bread and milk to coffee and fresh fruits.
The unchanged reading for energy reflected a big 4.8 percent jump in natural gas prices, offset by a 2 percent decline in gasoline costs.
The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government’s accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes.
Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes. That was little comfort for motorists now paying record prices at the pump, which are nearing $4 per gallon.
Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March.
The 0.2 percent reading for the overall Consumer Price Index was slightly lower than the 0.3 percent rise that economists had been expecting and the 0.1 percent rise in core inflation was below the 0.2 percent reading that had been expected.
Those better-than-expected performances should ease concerns at the Federal Reserve that the sharp increase in food and energy prices this year would lead to broader inflation problems. However, economists cautioned that the recent surge in oil prices to record levels near $127 per barrel has yet to be felt at the consumer level.
Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said that the weak economy was starting to show up in lower prices in some areas. He noted that the price of hotel rooms dropped for a third straight month, falling by 1.9 percent in April, a reflection of cutbacks in business and vacation travel.
The Fed, fighting against a severe credit crunch and spreading economic weakness, has cut interest rates seven times since last September in an effort to keep the country from toppling into a recession.
However, last month it signaled that it might take a pause in the rate cuts, with some Fed officials expressing worries that further reductions in interest rates could trigger unwanted inflation. The central bank is expected to keep rates unchanged when officials next meet June 24-26.
So far this year, overall inflation is rising at an annual rate of 3 percent, down from a 4.1 percent increase for all of 2007. Core inflation, excluding energy and food, is up at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the first four months of this year, compared with a 2.4 percent increase for all of 2007
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Opps! O, well, maybe the “programs” weren’t that “unusual.” (snicker)
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House looks at phone jamming in N.H. election
Ex-consultant says no White House link in GOP phone jamming during 2002 New Hampshire election
ANDREW MIGA
AP News
May 14, 2008 15:05 EST
A former Republican consultant who served three months in prison for his role in the Election Day 2002 phone-jamming operation against New Hampshire Democrats says he knows of no connection between the White House and the plot.
“I cannot link the New Hampshire phone jamming scheme in any way to President George Bush’s White House,” Allen Raymond told a House panel probing the phone-jamming operation on Wednesday.
Welcome Back Nathaniel. What I was wondering is how Chas is disqualified as a Christian. I think we both know that there is no passage in the Bible to say “chas is not a Christian” Given that fact, what methodology do you use to decide what passages in the Bible have a “thou shalt” effect to them, ergo they disqualify noncompliance? Others have a “holy kiss” effect to them (I will assume you see my metaphor). What methodology do you use to show that they do not necessarily disqualify noncompliance?
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Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened - the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God.
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Dear Lord, let it not be so: me and reg agreeing on anything? Evidently, there really is a God:-)
So Nathaniel: The “Christ is the ONE TRUE GOD and Savior for all” belief is a “thou shalt” belief. Whereas my “Holy Kiss” belief is not a “thou shalt” belief. You didn’t answer my question. What methodology brings you to the decision that one is a fundamental part of being a Christian while the other is not? I asked for your methodology Nathaniel. If you don’t have one, just say so.
Interesting article on the media and the bush administration:
Military analysts named in Times exposé appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast nets, cables, NPR
Summary: A New York Times article detailed the connection between numerous media military analysts and the Pentagon and defense industries, reporting that “the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform” media military analysts “into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.” A Media Matters review found that since January 1, 2002, the analysts named in the Times article — many identified as having ties to the defense industry — collectively appeared or were quoted as experts more than 4,500 times on ABC, ABC News Now, CBS, CBS Radio Network, NBC, CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, and NPR. http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130001?f=h_latest
House passes farm bill that Bush says will veto 27 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House on Wednesday passed and sent to the Senate a compromise $289 billion farm bill that expands nutrition and biofuel programs in the face of President George W. Bush’s promise to veto it.
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Backers said a large vote in favor of the bill, seven months past due, would show Congress could override a veto. Bush says the bill spends too much and fails to reform farm subsidies.
The farm bill would boost food stamp benefits by $7.9 billion over 10 years and encourage land stewardship and development of biofuels. It would deny subsidies to a small number of high-income Americans.
Vet you seem to have a problem with Nathaniels explanation if it doesn’t line up with your view. Does he get that same right?
This Cahse fellow seems to profess to being a Christian minister and says so daily as I can see but won’t profess to Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. Simple enough. That is all this young marine seems to be saying.
Why the piling on? Seems like this Chase fellow talks pretty well for hisself.
So in effect, Nathan thinks that Jesus was not speaking in Parables when he said that Ben? Now I won’t speak for Chas. But I do know some who think that such a belief can be metaphorical rather than literal. As I said the other day. I sincerely believe in Santa Claus (generosity) but I don’t believe in flying reindeer. I wonder if we’re back at that old chestnut again.
No observer. I want him to answer my question. He asked me to pose my question. So I posed it. If he doesn’t answer it. I will tell him that he didn’t answer it. I was asking him to present his methodology. All I got was his belief.
I think you’ve missed him again, Nathan only had an hour off from work. It’s hard to tell when he’ll be off again, probably not until late.
It’s interesting that you would rather discuss his methodology rather than his conclusions. Do you disagree with him? If so, why?
I’m afraid that Chas. belongs to that group of people that the MSM dare not acknoledge. Is he a Christian? Not for me to say. He professes to be a minister and I assume that he brings comfort and guidance to his flock. (flocks will find another shepard otherwise1)
There’s an old saying, “If being a Christian becomes a crime, I hope they can find enough evidence to convict me!” All I can do each day is try and give ‘em a little more evidence!
say Ben. I don’t know if this is the first time or not. But I don’t remember the president ever relenting about global warming. He may have done it before. If not, your work is done.
Sources in Baghdad tell NBC News that as of this week American military and civilian officials have cut off all contact with controversial Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi, the former favorite of Washington’s once powerful neoconservatives.
‘Greenhouse gases highest for 800,000 years’ http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1440399320080514
“Greenhouse gases are at higher levels in the atmosphere than at any time in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of Antarctic ice on Wednesday that extends evidence that mankind is disrupting the climate.
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“We can firmly say that today’s concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane are 28 and 124 percent higher respectively than at any time during the last 800,000 years,” said Thomas Stocker, an author of the report at the University of Berne.”
More at link.
More, and graph of CO2, methane, and temperatures over the past 800,000 years (starts 1000 years from present).
SA 4757. Mr. VITTER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 980, to provide collective bargaining rights for public safety officers employed by States or their political subdivisions; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.
(a) In General.–Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following: “§926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms
“Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof:
“(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.
“(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.”.
(b) Clerical Amendment.–The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:
“926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.”.
(c) Effective Date.–The amendments made by this section shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
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We’re getting cooler cosmos, wrap your mind around it!”
NO.
” March 2008 was the 2nd warmest March for the the globe on record, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center. Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record. ”
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacremento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
Agreed cosmos. As a scientists I tend to use the word ‘interesting’ a lot - like when your doctor says your test results are ‘interesting’. Generally NOT good news.
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Posted May 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
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So, that would the second warmest since 1934 after Dr. Hansen’s formula recalculation where all temperatures in the past 20 years were 0.15c too high?
74 years and a record temp spike! Phew! I can feel the sweat dripping.
Of course you realize that the U.S. set record cold temperatures, especially Alaska and while those poor Europeans had some heat.
I wonder when it was hotter in 1998, primarily due to El Nino and it was cooler in Europe, was Hansen’s formula error cycled directly or indirectly to the media?
You know if it wasn’t for that Canadian guy who worked with Hansen’s formula, no one would have known that Hansen was a mathematical failure.
“Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record.”
That is just a little bit longer than “since 1934″
“Only the presence of a moderately strong Laña event that cooled ocean waters in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific prevented March 2008 from surpassing March 2002 as the warmest March on record for the entire globe.”
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacramento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
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In the town of Shasta, not far from Sacramento, there is a fried chicken place, kinda in the middle of town (may have moved or closed, which I doubt), that has THE best fried chicken I ever ate. Definetly not a fast food or franchise place.
I wouldn’t go too far back in recorded temperature there Ben. There wasn’t even an established or calibrated way of measuring ambient temperature until the latter half of the twentieth century.
And still today, the methods and means of measuring temperature widely vary thr
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Talk about stumbling your way through an interview. Stewart makes this guy look like a buffoon. The show is also on the link:
No yuks as Stewart presses Iraq War architect on honesty.
Former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, who was at the heart of the Bush administration’s selective cherry-picking of intelligence to make its case for the invasion of Iraq, appeared on The Daily Show on Monday to promote his new book about the run-up to the war.
The central premise of Feith’s book, which he repeated over and over to Jon Stewart, is that although there were errors in some of the administration’s claims about the dangers posed by Saddam Hussein, the people making those statements were not being intentionally dishonest and did not set out to mislead the American public
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Realities_collide_Jon_Stewart_interviews_Douglas_0513.html
Evidence of pure lunacy:
911 operator: ‘I don’t give a sh*t what happens to you’
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/911_operator_I_dont_give_sht_0513.html
Who in the hell authorized this sick mess?
In day 4 of a Washington Post series, Careless Detention, it is revealed that the United States has injected hundreds of foreigners without their consent with dangerous mind-altering drugs for trips returning them to their home countries, according to government documents, medical records, and interviews with some of the actual people who were drugged.
From the report:
The government’s forced use of antipsychotic drugs, in people who have no history of mental illness, includes dozens of cases in which the “pre-flight cocktail,” as a document calls it, had such a potent effect that federal guards needed a wheelchair to move the slumped deportee onto an airplane. “Unsteady gait. Fell onto tarmac,” says a medical note on the deportation of a 38-year-old woman to Costa Rica in late spring 2005. Another detainee was “dragged down the aisle in handcuffs, semi-comatose,” according to an airline crew member’s written account. Repeatedly, documents describe immigration guards “taking down” a reluctant deportee to be tranquilized before heading to an airport. In a Chicago holding cell early one evening in February 2006, five guards piled on top of a 49-year-old man who was angry he was going back to Ecuador, according to a nurse’s account in his deportation file. As they pinned him down so the nurse could punch a needle through his coveralls into his right buttock, one officer stood over him menacingly and taunted, “Nighty-night.” Such episodes are among more than 250 cases The Washington Post has identified in which the government has, without medical reason, given drugs meant to treat serious psychiatric disorders to people it has shipped out of the United States since 2003 — the year the Bush administration handed the job of deportation to the Department of Homeland Security’s new Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE. Involuntary chemical restraint of detainees, unless there is a medical justification, is a violation of some international human rights codes. The practice is banned by several countries where, confidential documents make clear, U.S. escorts have been unable to inject deportees with extra doses of drugs during layovers en route to faraway places. Federal officials have seldom acknowledged publicly that they sedate people for deportation. The few times officials have spoken of the practice, they have understated it, portraying sedation as rare and “an act of last resort.” Neither is true, records and interviews indicate.
The most frequently used drugs in the sedation ‘cocktail’ are haldol, an anti-psychotic medication that “gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals.” Ativan, used to control anxiety, and Cogentin, a medication that supposedly lessens Haldol’s side effects of muscle spasms and rigidity.
The medically recommended dosage for the Haldol alone, from the report:
For aggressive behavior, 0.5 milligrams twice a day to 5 milligrams three times a day, although doses of up to 10 milligrams a day may be used in a hospital emergency room.
The U.S. made flight layovers during some trips with sedated detainees, and as there are foreign nations that forbid the practice, the report also details some run-ins between flight nurses and foreign officials, which in one instance resulted in a detainee being returned to Atlanta, GA from a layover in France.
The full report by the Washington Post’s Amy Goldstein and Dana Priest is available online here.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Detainees_drugged_against_their_will_for_0514.html
Hillary kicked some major ass yesterday.
Don’t count her out yet. Maybe some are coming to realize that the homophobe, Obama, isn’t all his worshipers make him out to be.
“Hillary kicked some major ass yesterday.”
Is she still hanging out at the bars trying to prove she’s “one of the guys”?
She’s such a streotypical politician…will do or say anything to get elected. I have totally lost what little respect I had for her.
People need to read this for no other reason than how this administration cares little for the average American, and insulates business from the consequences of the faulty products foisted off on that same public.
I’m all for lawsuit reform, but this is ridiculous:
WASHINGTON – Faced with an unfriendly Congress, the Bush administration has found another, quieter way to make it more difficult for consumers to sue businesses over faulty products. It’s rewriting the bureaucratic rulebook.
Lawsuit limits have been included in 51 rules proposed or adopted since 2005 by agency bureaucrats governing just about everything Americans use: drugs, cars, railroads, medical devices and food.
Decried by consumer advocates and embraced by industry, the agencies’ use of the government’s rule-making authority represents the administration’s final act in a long-standing drive to shield companies from lawsuits.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080513-1316-limitinglawsuits.html
I read the article J M Walker and the conclusions are all wrong. The woman who sued because an anti-nausea drug was injected into her artery caused a condition for her arm to be amputated.
It is well known in certain medical circles that certain types of medications are caustic when applied outside the tissue for which it is intended.
*One doesn’t put stomach medication in the eyes
*One doesn’t use foot cream in the nose
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
The fault is the medical care provider who was sloppy and injected the drug in the wrong site. Every one who is certified to inject and draw blood knows how to tell if they are in an artery or not. Evidently, the person who did this was reckless and caused a major trauma to the woman.
The tendency of lawyers to sue anyone and everyone associated with the case is sour grapes and is what is wrong with litigious issues.
The drug company did not cause the arm to be amputated because the wrong avenue of injection was done. There is no case there.
The injury portion of the case was caused by the medical care provider who injected the drug into the artery.
Gosh Mary, I meant to mention this to Monkey yesterday too.
I saw obama on tv with his jacket off and his sleeves rolled up and he was shooting pool and working REALLY hard to be seen as one of the guys. I saw that clip multiple times yesterday. Not as many as the awful bowling clip, you know, where he tried in PA to be seen as a regular guy by making an ass of himself bowling.
So.. I’m really sure barack hangs out in pool halls on a regular basis. And bowling alleys.
Just like Hillary hangs out in bars and throws back shots on a regular basis.
So it’s ok for obama, but not ok for Hillary?
I see. Man, do I see.
Reg, what the hell are you talking about?
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Posted May 14, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink
Reg, what the hell are you talking about?
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You don’t even read your own articles that you reference J M Walker? Here’s a quote from that article you gave.
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Later this year, the Supreme Court will wade into the issue of federal preemption as it relates to lawsuits and prescription drug labeling. The defendant drugmaker contends it should not be in the lawsuit because the FDA had approved the warning label on the drug.
The company is trying to overturn a $6.8 million award given a woman whose arm had to be amputated after anti-nausea medication was inadvertently injected into an artery.
In some instances, judges seem as exercised as consumer advocates about the FDA’s undermining of lawsuits under state tort law.
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The point being is that the trial lawyers were suing the drug company. The drug company had nothing to do with the screw up by the medical person who injected the drug in the wrong spot.
For you Neocons who just can’t get enough:
http://www.dudehisattva.com/playboycoulter.jpg
Reg, you’re cherry picking as usual, and missing the point of the article. But living in the box you do leaves little wiggle room for free thought.
No JM Walker, you are missing the point. It’s about trial lawyers whining about not being able to sue anyone and everyone from the guy who made the needle to the miner who pulled the minerals out of the ground that the needle is composed of.
The person that should be sued is the one who injected the drug into the artery, not the drug manufacturer.
There are many drugs out there that if injected arterially instead of intravenous will cause harm.
You don’t get it do you Walker?
“The real-world impact of preemption will be on display Wednesday when a congressional committee hears from actor Dennis Quaid and his wife, who have sued a maker of the blood-thinner heparin in Illinois state court.
The Quaids sued after their newborn twins were given massive doses of the blood thinner at a hospital. The Quaids claim the manufacturer was negligent in packaging different doses of the product in similar vials with blue backgrounds. ”
. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.
There will always be bad lawsuits by scumbag trial lawyers, but that hardly calls for making it more difficult for injured parties to collect damages from parties guilty of wrong doing. That is what this administration is doing for no other reason than to protect business from a wronged public.
I get it, alright. You are indeed a republican, with the same principles: birth em, send em on their way, and give em nothing, except the chair.
Now you’re changing horses in mid-stream JMWalker, talking about a completely different case. In that case involving heparin(I think), the packaging may be the fault.
In the case involving injecting a drug in the wrote site, it was clearly the fault of the medical care provider, not the drug manufacture.
Regardless, medical care providers are trained to read labels, not use colors.
Ever look at IV bags? They all look quite similar. However, I’m very sure that dextrose IV solution and saline IV solution have different purposes and the words “Saline and Dextrose” are clearly labeled on the package.
Plus, there are several levels of protection that are supposed to be in place in hospitals to prevent such things such as the second case you cited.
*ability of the medical care provider to be trained and certified on obtaining, prescribing and using said drugs under label direction of the manufacturer.
*that records for drug administration is signed off by more than one person.
**The person issueing the drug
**The physician signing off on the drug for use.
**The technician or nurse or physician administering the drug.
You know JMWalker, anti-freeze is a pretty color of green, just like some of that flavored kool-aid. However, it will shut down your kidneys in a heartbeat if you drink anti-freeze.
Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?
Wow. Here is a great post, simply titled “Coal”
We are bitchin’ in Kansas about the pollution from burning coal, but we dont think much about what the coal companies are willing to do to GET that cheap coal to Holcomb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5962805
Every coal plant that BUYS coal is just as guilty as the Peabodys.
“And Daddy wont you take me back to Muhlenburg County, down by the Green River where Paradise lay.
I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking. Mr. Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away.”
Yeah, read that article kfg and the first thing that caught me was a historical inaccuracy. Sorry, it’s affliction of mine.
the forests where Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett roamed, the hills that bred the soldiers who followed Andrew Jackson, the frontier hollows that cradled our democracy, the wilderness wellspring of our values, our virtues, our national character – all being leveled.
The Boone family did not roam the hills of West Virginia. West Virginia wasn’t even a state back then. The Boone family and more specifically Daniel Boone and his less famous brother, Preacher Boone, lived in North Carolina. The reason I know this, is that my ancestral family on my maternal side had land about 10 miles from the Boone settlement in Rowan County North Carolina.
Sorry, but just picking “nits.”
It’s useless trying to communicate with you. Again, you miss the whole point. Changing horses? That was not from the same article? An article pointing out the fact this administration is using its position to bypass congress, as usual?
“. . .and that’s not a problem to you? If you want to cherry pick, do it conclusively. Manufacturers have a responsibility to make sure doses aren’t packaged so as to be confusing to stressed out doctors and nurses.”
The words “stressed out” are not written lightly. The whole medical profession is stressed out, and mistakes are made. But the article only used the medical side as an example. There’s a whole lot more to it than that, but I doubt you can see that.
“Just what kind of kool-aid are you drinking JMWalker?”
Whatever favor I happen to like at the time, not that it’s any of your business.
What kind of cool-aid does one have to drink to become a republican lap-dog of business, and a bane to humanity?
“Sorry, but just picking “nits.””
Big nit.
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
Correct, Ksfrmgrrl.
The old coal mines, bad as they were, seem to be becoming a thing of the past.
Now the coal companies just blow the top off a mountain.
But, you’re thinking, doesn’t that cause massive run-off, flooding, silting of rivers, pollution, destruction of the environment?
Hell, yes.
Actually, he did:
Daniel Boone was born November 2, 1734 in a log cabin in Berks County, near present-day Reading, Pennsylvania. Boone is one of the most famous pioneers in United States history. He spent most of his life exploring and settling the American frontier.
Boone had little formal education, but he did learn the skills of a woodsmen early in life. By age 12 his sharp hunter’s eye and skill with a rifle helped keep his family well provided with wild game. In 1756 Boone married Rebecca Bryan, a pioneer woman with great courage and patience. He spent most of the next ten years hunting and farming to feed his family. In 1769 a trader and old friend, John Findley, visited Boone’s cabin. Findley was looking for an overland route to Kentucky and needed a skilled woodsman to guide him. In 1769 Boone, Findley and five men traveled along wilderness trails and through the Cumberland gap in the Appalachian mountains into Kentucky. They found a “hunter’s paradise” filled with buffalo, deer, wild turkey and meadows ideal for farming. Boone vowed to return with his family one day.
In 1775 Boone and 30 other woodsmen were hired to improve the trails between the Carolinas and the west. The resulting route reached into the heart of Kentucky and became known as the “Wilderness Road.” That same year Boone built a fort and village called Boonesborough in Kentucky, and moved his family over the Wilderness Trail to their new home.
Boone had numerous encounters with the native people of Kentucky during the Revolutionary War. In 1776, Shawnee warriors kidnapped his daughter and two other girls. Two days later Boone caught up with the Indians and through surprise attack rescued the girls. In 1778, he was captured by another band of Shawnee. Boone learned that the tribe was planning an attack on Boonesborough. He negotiated a settlement with Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee, preventing the attack. The Indians admired their captive for his skill as a hunter and woodsman and adopted him into their tribe as a son of Blackfish. He escaped when he learned the Shawnee, at the instigation of the British, were planning another attach on Boonesborough. The settlement was reinforced and provisioned in preparation for the assault. When British soldiers and the Indians attacked, Boonesborough withstood a ten-day siege and Chief Blackfish and the British finally withdrew.
After the Revolutionary War, Boone worked as a surveyor along the Ohio River and settled for a time in Kanawha County, Virginia (now West Virginia). In 1792, Kentucky was admitted into the Union as the 15th state. Litigation arose that questioned many settlers’ title to their lands. Boone lost all his property due to lack of clear title. In 1799, he followed his son, Daniel Morgan Boone, to Missouri which was then under the dominion of Spain. Traveling by canoe, he and his family paddled down the Ohio River to St. Louis.
In 1800, Boone was appointed magistrate of the Femme Osage District in St. Charles County, Missouri. He received a large tract of land for his services. When Missouri was transferred to the United States as part of the Louisiana Purchase, Boone once again lost all his land, most of which was sold to satisfy creditors in Kentucky. Boone’s wife Rebecca died on March 18, 1813. He spent his remaining years living in his son Nathan’s home in the St. Charles area. He went on his final hunting trip at the age of 83.
Daniel Boone died on September 26, 1820 at the age of 85. In 1845 the remains of Boone and his wife were moved to Kentucky to rest in the great pioneer’s “hunter’s paradise.” There is some controversy surrounding the final disposition of Boone’s remains. Some say that Daniel and Rebecca are still in Missouri, and that the wrong remains were removed and re-buried. Others have demanded the return of the bodies to Missouri.
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95nov/boone.html
Just pickin’-nit:-)
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Regular
Posted May 14, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink
As I said before JMWalker, medical care providers are trained to read, interpret and understand drug labels, not use color codes like some kindergarten block and sandbox class.
Stress in the medical profession is yet another tangent you are flinging about JMWalker.
Is there no end for you being an apologist for trial lawyers?
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I believe I answered all questions to my satisfaction. You, on the other hand, have totally ignored to context of the article. But that’s to be expected: you’re a republican.
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
And my birth name was Crockett. Touche reg!
ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
Well I thought the part of the post about the hills that were “nurturing the pioneers” was a little over the top, but the post is a good one.
I claim no expertise in history. But I can tell you, having traveled in that region, Boone’s name is on a town in just about every state. If it isnt Boonesborough, it’s Danville, or some such.
And my birth name was Crockett. Touche reg!
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Yeah, but did you kill a ‘bar’ when you were only three?
On a much happier note, my second bunch of ducks came in yesterday. I’m now the proud owner of 20 ducks!
Last weekend I flew to Seattle to pick up Nicki, the newest addition to our pack of Beardies.
I’m going to try and teache her the herding basics on the ducks. I’ll also use them to try and cure Samson’s fear of ducks!
Oh, and then there’s eggs!
Hey Hank!
Now you just have to convince the neighborhood children that you were eating chicken for dinner, not old Herman the duck.
I think the article JMWalker posts about the regulatory limitation of lawsuits bears out some key points:
1) Those who wish to have the government regulate often get what they ask for, with results they did not. We have asked for these beuarocratic regulators to supplant and interpert the law. (an example is Bremby and the coal plants). WHen they do their regulatory jobs, as interperpteted by the executive branch, they are susceptible to poltiical jockeying. Rightly or wrongly. Because they are in the executive branch.
2) See the above, and then ask why in the hell we want federal regulators to be in charge of more stuff, such as healthcare.
3)If a company is engaged in business that puts in underal federal guidelines, becaue of “interstate commerce” rules, then the in my opinion, the federal courts have sway, and the state courts should not have juridistion IMHO
4) In the Heparin case, why should be manufacturer be sued? The drug, and THE PACKAGING, was approved by the FDA. They furnished a product approved in all aspects by the federal government! THere is no claim of false reports to the FDA. Why would the company be at fault for following federal regulations?
Because it has deep pockets attorneys can go for, the only reason.
I have been overworked, I have been tired, I have been in the back of an ambulance with critically ill patients that were screraming and crying and all sorts of things. I have never failed to look at the fricking package to make sure I was using the right thing. The caregiver was at fault. Not the manufacturer. But the caregiver didn;t have deep pockets, huh.
4) in the case of the lady having her arm amputated, again the damned drug was ot used according to directions! Damn! Hold people accountable! A Damned caregiver doesn;t know the difference between a vein and an artery! SO the manufacturer is at fault! BULL SHIFT
5) People hate the government, and people hate companies. They have been taught the same by those of and idealogical bent, that the government is first of all the supplier of all good things, unless you disagree with it, then it is the supplier of all evil in the world. The second is an anti-capitolist agenda and thought process that says that capitolism is wrong, that it is evil, and all human suffering comes from it.
6) Some of the statements bye trial associaiton is an example of what lawyers do best…. bs on behalf of themselves and sometimes, their clients.
Good morning Regular!
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
Hank, how are Beardies with herding cattle?
heh Hank,
You’re just an old softie with kids now aren’t ya?
Call me a heartless old ogre, but I have no problem cooking and eating “named” farm animals. (evil grin)
May even be hope for Kansas.
Democrats win Mississippi special election By Matthew Bigg
Wed May 14, 1:07 AM ET
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Mississippi Democrat Travis Childers won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election on Tuesday that analysts said should serve as a warning to Republicans gearing up for November’s congressional elections.
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Childers defeated Greg Davis in a run-off to fill a vacant seat in Mississippi’s first congressional district, according to projections reported by local media.
Vice President Dick Cheney and the state’s Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.
Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, who is viewed by some Mississippi voters as too liberal.
The win expanded the Democratic majority in Congress to 236 versus 199 seats held by the Republican Party, according to the chairman of the Congressional Democratic Caucus, Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who described it as a “political thunderbolt.”
“It is yet another rejection of the House Republican agenda, the Bush administration’s misguided policies, and John McCain’s campaign for a third Bush term,” Van Hollen said.
Most of the attention this election cycle has focused on the race to succeed Bush, but the two parties are locked in an equally competitive battle for the House and Senate, with Democrats seeking to extend slim majorities.
Childers’ win follows two gains by Democrats in seats in Louisiana and Illinois and suggests that formerly solid Republican districts might be up for grabs in November.
Does bush only support corrupt leaders?
First Iraq, now Israel.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush arrived in the Middle East on Wednesday to celebrate Israel’s 60th birthday and try to energize peace efforts complicated by a corruption scandal that could topple Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
I don;t know if it spells hope or disaster for the country, but I expect a Democrat in the Whitehouse, and Democratic majorities in both the senate and the house.
Hey Predestined,
They’re pretty good. Beardies were developed in the Scotland Highlands for sheep. Really quite intelligent and hard working dogs.
AKC trials are pretty much set up for the Border Collie stile of herding. Border Collies are ‘eye’ dogs. Bearded Collies are ’stand up loose eyed dogs’.
Littlejohn,
You must be nothing but a Republican lap dog to have such a well spoken opinion like that……
Seriously,
We have a problem with law suits in this country and JM Walker is up there crying about reform????
Hey Dad,
Did you see the Steven Davis 2nd grade tantrum and name calling fest last night, as he claimed to be leaving the blog?
Naw boy,
You ain’t picking on the grownups again are you? Do we need to have that ‘talk’ again?
Come to the clinic, I got something for you.
I guess Nathaniel missed these two quotes in his Bible reading.
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
“And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, King James Version.
He might want to check out Matthew 5:39, too.
Hank, thanks for the info. That’s what I needed to know.
Well Good Morning Nathaniel. I wasn’t expecting your return last night. My loss. I was wondering if you, the professional Bible Reader, could enlighten me, the amateur Bible Reader, regarding Chas?
Well Predestined,
If yo want a good cattle dog, I’d go with an Australian Shepard. They seem to have a little more ‘cow sense’ than most dogs.
Beardies are a little bold and get in trouble easier.
Besides, a good Aussie is a lot cheaper than a good Beardie!
Hey!
Hate to take the thread there, but for about $400.00 I can live life the same way I am now, and have 0 carbon footrprint by purchasing offsets
http://www.terrapass.com
I know, I know, they don;t support that, I’m just saying I could have no carbon footrprint by paying them money! Hmmmm.
Oh Predestined. You don’t want to try to use the Bible against Nathaniel. You will lose your professional Bible License. ALAS, you will be condemned to the title “Amateur Bible Reader”
Regular –
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
Where would you suggest putting them?? LOL
Must be one of those blasted typos!!
Hey littlejohn!
I’m living life large for free!
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Thank you for the concern, VET. Unfortunately, I’m well aware of Nathaniel’s modus operandi. We’ve tangled before, useless as it was. I have no intention of debating him on the Bible. I just thought I’d offer a reminder of what his Savior preached.
BTW, there are versions of the “Golden Rule” in 21 religions.
SquarePeg
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
Regular –
*One doesn’t inject drugs meant for intravenous use into arteries.
Where would you suggest putting them?? LOL
Must be one of those blasted typos!!
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Here’s your first clue, intravenous means in the vein.
Arteries are vessels meant for outflow of blood from the heart.
Veins are vessels that pump blood towards and into the heart (i.e. venous return.)
When veins are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flow is slow, seeping and pools.
When arteries are punctured, intentionally or accidentally, the blood flows is abrupt as arteries have much more pressure (pushed from the heart via the circulatory system.)
Surely there Squarepeg, Chas, Das, Sugar, you did not pay attention in basic biology to NOT KNOW the difference between arteries and veins.
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Nathaniel
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
Littlejohn,
You must be nothing but a Republican lap dog to have such a well spoken opinion like that……
Seriously,
We have a problem with law suits in this country and JM Walker is up there crying about reform????
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No, Nathan, I don’t have a problem with reform. I do have a problem with this administrations willingness to bypass the system in order to protect business. But, gee, I guess every lawsuit brought by an injured party or parties is “a problem” in your eyes. Tell that to the people who died because of tainted meat, which the slaughter house failed to inspect, or the people dead because of “fen-fen.” Or any lawsuit brought against any drug manufacturer for falsifying test results. Gee, that never happens, does it?
How about toy manufactures who get their products made in China, and have their kids come down with lead poisoning from eating the paint. Think the manufacturers aren’t responsible? Why do you think they failed to know the paint had lead in it? Could it be the test cost money, and the manufactures were too cheap to have the testing done? Or maybe they just “trusted” the chinese to do the right thing. Good thing that never happened.
Or how about Enron? Sure no cause for a lawsuit there, is there.
My point is frivolous lawsuits should be paid, both sides, by the person bringing the suit. Legitimate suits do exist, and deserve their day in court. But this administration is loading the issue on the side of business. That is NOT a fair playing field.
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HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
Hey littlejohn!
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HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
Good morning Regular!
The neighborhood children love the little ducks! When I got the first five I told them not to handle the little ducks. The nest morning at work I recieved an email with 10 pictures of kids holding ducks!
This morning the bigger ones got to go out side and swim in a wading pool. (bought by one of the mothers just for the ducks!)
Once the kids give your livestock a name, you can no longer eat them!
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The kids or the ducks:-)
agreed predestined. But thank you anyway for indulging me in my satire. I was getting a bit bored here at work.
The Age of the Universe: This guy, based on a study of the Torah (Old testamant), gets about 15-16 BILLION years. Of course, he is Jewish so what does he know?
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
“So the only data I use as far as Biblical commentary goes is ancient commentary. That means the text of the Bible itself (3300 years ago), the translation of the Torah into Aramaic by Onkelos (100 CE), the Talmud (redacted about the year 500 CE), and the three major Torah commentators. There are many, many commentators, but at the top of the mountain there are three, accepted by all: Rashi (11th century France), who brings the straight understanding of the text, Maimonides (12th century Egypt), who handles the philosophical concepts, and then Nachmanides (13th century Spain), the earliest of the Kabbalists.
This ancient commentary was finalized long before Hubbell was a gleam in his great-grandparent’s eye. So there’s no possibility of Hubbell or any other modern scientific data influencing these concepts.”
If you were Iran, would this give you a sense of security? Or, would it make it more likely that you’d better take care of your own National Security interest?
U.S. says Iran security pledge not on table in atom row
The United States said on Wednesday six world powers had no plans to offer Iran security guarantees to encourage it to suspend nuclear activity, hours after Russia floated the idea
Obviously, Phantom, Iran should unilaterally disarm and then simply surrender to anyone who wants to invade and take their resources. That is clearly what Bush wants them to do.
/sarcasm off
Years ago when we wanted to keep japan disarmed part of the deal was a protection pact.
Try persuading Israel to disarm, even with a security guarantee!
Satire to your heart’s content, VET. I’m here reading along…and chuckling.
Or is that chortling?
The irony is who is holding the world’s largest arsenal of nuclear weapons telling everyone else who can’t.
I guess we’ll not be making that security guarantee to Iran, because it’d probably pit us against Israel!
I thought you could help me with that one Pre. I’m still a bit new. I don’t know the protocol on when one is to “chuckle” and when one is to “chortle”
And Ben, regarding the age of the universe: Behave.
The funny thing is VET that my own interpretations of the science AND Scripture do not preclude the existence of God behind everything. I just don’t think that the fallible mortal humans who wrote the stuff down had a precsie ‘blow-by-blow’ description to work with. To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever come up with original contemporaneously written texts from the Creation or from the Garden.
An observation - it is largely those who want their OWN right to be armed (presumably to protect themselves) who want to disarm entire countries and leave them at the tender mercies of any aggressor who decides to invade.
Saddam disarmed after Gulf 1 - that was verified by the inspectors. What happened to him?
Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened - the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God.
Saddam did invade Kuwait. In that regard he is a different animal. However, to invade Iraq based on faulty intelligence can cause unrest. If the US could somehow convince the region that such a stupid mistake wouldn’t happen again. It might help.
Steven Hawkins put it well - something like (we try to understand HOW. The WHY lies in the field of philosophy or religion.
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope. If you want to use satire to show how much stupidity may follow, fine. I was just asking you whether or not you really believed those examples of stupidity would follow. Hence, I was asking you if you were certain there was no “slippery slope” My point regarding “verily verily” is that some creationists see the Bible as an authoritative document. Hence, my satire about Nathaniel’s “regulation” I will admit that I showed poor form on more than one occasion. I will try not to offend.
LLTVET
Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
But we had this discussion already Reg. The problem started last night when I suggested that creationists saw a slippery slope.
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LLVET,
In actuality you didn’t state that creationists saw a slippery slope, you said that Christians see a slippery slope. I took exception to the statement as I consider myself to be a Christian who has a view about creation and evolution that is probably more mainstream than the creationist view.
Following is your quote: Notice the use of the word “ridiculous” right before you assigned slippery slope to Christians.
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LLTVET
Posted May 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
Well Regular: Do you really think that such ridiculous changes will be made? For some reason, Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.
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Creationists in this discussion context are usually Christian and are a subset of Christianity in general. But not all Christians are strict Creationists.
This is the bug-a-boo I have with Evolutionists when they start throwing everything in the stew pot and make broad sweeping generalizations.
Reg: Those “ridiculous” changes that I was referring to were you satirical showings from last nights page. You were using satire to show ridiculous effects that may come about. I agreed that they would be ridiculous. I just wanted to know if you really saw them as possible. If you did, then you would have been guilty of the slippery slope.
I can’t believe this guy.
Then LLVET, you should have said what you meant to say and not followed on with the “Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution.”
Nothing wrong with being straight forward.
You were correct about me using satire.
Evasive discussion technique doesn’t do any good. If you have something to say, “try just turning right, instead of making three left turns” to say something.
Works for me.
I do like what Obamma is saying.
Obama woos working-class voters in Michigan By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago
WARREN, Mich. - Democrat Barack Obama, campaigning in a state that poses several challenges for him in the fall, appealed to working-class voters Wednesday with a pledge to pump billions of dollars into efforts to revitalize the nation’s manufacturing sector.
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One day after blue-collar workers overwhelmingly rejected him in West Virginia’s presidential primary, Obama came to this auto-making suburb of Detroit to announce plans to create an “advanced manufacturing fund” to promote industries likely to keep jobs in the United States rather than see them move overseas.
Biggest jump in food prices in 18 yrs., of little concern for all except those that have to budget for food. (Not the Base).
Inflation pressures ease despite food price jump By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Inflation pressures eased a bit in April despite the biggest jump in food prices in 18 years.
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The Labor Department reported Wednesday that consumer prices edged up 0.2 percent last month, compared to a 0.3 percent rise in March.
The lower inflation reflected a flat reading for energy, which helped offset a 0.9 percent jump in food costs as prices climbed for many basic items, from bread and milk to coffee and fresh fruits.
The unchanged reading for energy reflected a big 4.8 percent jump in natural gas prices, offset by a 2 percent decline in gasoline costs.
The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government’s accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes.
Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes. That was little comfort for motorists now paying record prices at the pump, which are nearing $4 per gallon.
Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March.
The 0.2 percent reading for the overall Consumer Price Index was slightly lower than the 0.3 percent rise that economists had been expecting and the 0.1 percent rise in core inflation was below the 0.2 percent reading that had been expected.
Those better-than-expected performances should ease concerns at the Federal Reserve that the sharp increase in food and energy prices this year would lead to broader inflation problems. However, economists cautioned that the recent surge in oil prices to record levels near $127 per barrel has yet to be felt at the consumer level.
Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said that the weak economy was starting to show up in lower prices in some areas. He noted that the price of hotel rooms dropped for a third straight month, falling by 1.9 percent in April, a reflection of cutbacks in business and vacation travel.
The Fed, fighting against a severe credit crunch and spreading economic weakness, has cut interest rates seven times since last September in an effort to keep the country from toppling into a recession.
However, last month it signaled that it might take a pause in the rate cuts, with some Fed officials expressing worries that further reductions in interest rates could trigger unwanted inflation. The central bank is expected to keep rates unchanged when officials next meet June 24-26.
So far this year, overall inflation is rising at an annual rate of 3 percent, down from a 4.1 percent increase for all of 2007. Core inflation, excluding energy and food, is up at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the first four months of this year, compared with a 2.4 percent increase for all of 2007
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Well regular, I avoid fallacies in my arguments. Because of that, I don’t skip steps in Logic. I suppose I can’t help the fact that you consider that something akin to going around the barn.
However, I mentioned the Slippery Slope by Christians because I saw it in your rhetoric. I saw no satire in your question, and I quote “doesn’t all of that uncertainty cheapen the Bible and make it entirely worthless as the Book of God?” I assume that question was not meant as satire.
The answer is obviously “no” Uncertainty does not cheapen the Bible. It may take the authoritative tone from it. But the good ideas of the Bible will always be good ideas. For you to assume otherwise, in my humble opinion, would be a (survey says) SLIPPERY SLOPE.
My goodness regular, it’s like pulling teeth with you.
LLTVET,
Exactly what is it about Chas you want me to enlighten you on?
Predestined,
I don’t get it. What makes you think that I have missed those verses?
Gee, Nathaniel, I don’t know. Reading your posts, maybe?
But, hey, you’re free to say whatever you want. And I’m free to disagree and form my own opinion. Isn’t it great?
Gee, guys, hate to tell you this but:
Polar bears to be protected species
Interior lists the polar bear as threatened species because of global warming
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Polar_bears_to_be_protected_species_05142008.html
Predestined,
You can have an opinion and disagree. Doesn’t make you right though.
Now this is funny. Scroll down for the vid:
Colbert shows solidarity with Bill O’Reilly F-bomb rant
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Colbert_spoofs_Bill_OReilly_Fbomb_rant_0514.html
Opps! O, well, maybe the “programs” weren’t that “unusual.” (snicker)
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House looks at phone jamming in N.H. election
Ex-consultant says no White House link in GOP phone jamming during 2002 New Hampshire election
ANDREW MIGA
AP News
May 14, 2008 15:05 EST
A former Republican consultant who served three months in prison for his role in the Election Day 2002 phone-jamming operation against New Hampshire Democrats says he knows of no connection between the White House and the plot.
“I cannot link the New Hampshire phone jamming scheme in any way to President George Bush’s White House,” Allen Raymond told a House panel probing the phone-jamming operation on Wednesday.
But Raymond said his training at the Republican National Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee told him that “unusual programs never saw the light of day without a thorough vetting by committee attorneys.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/House_looks_at_phone_jamming_in_N_H_05142008.html
Welcome Back Nathaniel. What I was wondering is how Chas is disqualified as a Christian. I think we both know that there is no passage in the Bible to say “chas is not a Christian” Given that fact, what methodology do you use to decide what passages in the Bible have a “thou shalt” effect to them, ergo they disqualify noncompliance? Others have a “holy kiss” effect to them (I will assume you see my metaphor). What methodology do you use to show that they do not necessarily disqualify noncompliance?
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Regular
Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
Actually LLVET, my beliefs about creation aren’t too disimilar from Ben’s. I’m not strict creationist. However, I’m not a blind Evolutionary theory follower either.
I surmise there is a combination of the two, that some sort of evolution happened under the wise mind of God. How to explain it, I have no clue. I do know there is a God by faith and evolution happened, but how it happened - the entire truth may never been known.
Since I don’t know the mind of God and can never know it, I play along with the convenient theory of evolution as a part of the way that the earth and universe was created. That is, with the help of God.
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Dear Lord, let it not be so: me and reg agreeing on anything? Evidently, there really is a God:-)
I thought those orange things were the official State Flower– you see them everywhere! Barrels, huh?
Oops- wrong thread.
gster — my trucker friends tell me those are “Schneider” eggs… LOL
LLTVET,
I have answered the question already, but here you go again:
Chas doesn’t believe that Christ is the ONE TRUE God and Savior for ALL.
That is probably the most basic and most fundamental part of being a CHRISTIAN.
I don’t think he is disqualified, just that his beliefs are not Christian.
So Nathaniel: The “Christ is the ONE TRUE GOD and Savior for all” belief is a “thou shalt” belief. Whereas my “Holy Kiss” belief is not a “thou shalt” belief. You didn’t answer my question. What methodology brings you to the decision that one is a fundamental part of being a Christian while the other is not? I asked for your methodology Nathaniel. If you don’t have one, just say so.
LLTVET,
I will be on later. Off to work.
Interesting article on the media and the bush administration:
Military analysts named in Times exposé appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast nets, cables, NPR
Summary: A New York Times article detailed the connection between numerous media military analysts and the Pentagon and defense industries, reporting that “the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform” media military analysts “into a kind of media Trojan horse — an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks.” A Media Matters review found that since January 1, 2002, the analysts named in the Times article — many identified as having ties to the defense industry — collectively appeared or were quoted as experts more than 4,500 times on ABC, ABC News Now, CBS, CBS Radio Network, NBC, CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, and NPR.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130001?f=h_latest
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gster
Posted May 14, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
Oops- wrong thread.
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Bastid!!!
VET - I think it is Nathan’s interpretation of “I am the way, the truth and the light. No one shall come to the Father except by me”
House passes farm bill that Bush says will veto 27 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House on Wednesday passed and sent to the Senate a compromise $289 billion farm bill that expands nutrition and biofuel programs in the face of President George W. Bush’s promise to veto it.
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Backers said a large vote in favor of the bill, seven months past due, would show Congress could override a veto. Bush says the bill spends too much and fails to reform farm subsidies.
The farm bill would boost food stamp benefits by $7.9 billion over 10 years and encourage land stewardship and development of biofuels. It would deny subsidies to a small number of high-income Americans.
Vet you seem to have a problem with Nathaniels explanation if it doesn’t line up with your view. Does he get that same right?
This Cahse fellow seems to profess to being a Christian minister and says so daily as I can see but won’t profess to Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. Simple enough. That is all this young marine seems to be saying.
Why the piling on? Seems like this Chase fellow talks pretty well for hisself.
So in effect, Nathan thinks that Jesus was not speaking in Parables when he said that Ben? Now I won’t speak for Chas. But I do know some who think that such a belief can be metaphorical rather than literal. As I said the other day. I sincerely believe in Santa Claus (generosity) but I don’t believe in flying reindeer. I wonder if we’re back at that old chestnut again.
No observer. I want him to answer my question. He asked me to pose my question. So I posed it. If he doesn’t answer it. I will tell him that he didn’t answer it. I was asking him to present his methodology. All I got was his belief.
Dear LLTVET,
I think you’ve missed him again, Nathan only had an hour off from work. It’s hard to tell when he’ll be off again, probably not until late.
It’s interesting that you would rather discuss his methodology rather than his conclusions. Do you disagree with him? If so, why?
I’m afraid that Chas. belongs to that group of people that the MSM dare not acknoledge. Is he a Christian? Not for me to say. He professes to be a minister and I assume that he brings comfort and guidance to his flock. (flocks will find another shepard otherwise1)
There’s an old saying, “If being a Christian becomes a crime, I hope they can find enough evidence to convict me!” All I can do each day is try and give ‘em a little more evidence!
Scroll up two Hank. Old Chestnut, Santa Claus, Flying reindeer, etc.
say Ben. I don’t know if this is the first time or not. But I don’t remember the president ever relenting about global warming. He may have done it before. If not, your work is done.
VET - he has mouthed words before but that is nothing but greenwashing.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenwashing
The Neo-Cons’ favorite Iraqi is now out of favor:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24620260
Sources in Baghdad tell NBC News that as of this week American military and civilian officials have cut off all contact with controversial Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi, the former favorite of Washington’s once powerful neoconservatives.
Results from a deeper ice core,
‘Greenhouse gases highest for 800,000 years’
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1440399320080514
“Greenhouse gases are at higher levels in the atmosphere than at any time in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of Antarctic ice on Wednesday that extends evidence that mankind is disrupting the climate.
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“We can firmly say that today’s concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane are 28 and 124 percent higher respectively than at any time during the last 800,000 years,” said Thomas Stocker, an author of the report at the University of Berne.”
More at link.
More, and graph of CO2, methane, and temperatures over the past 800,000 years (starts 1000 years from present).
‘Ice cores reveal fluctuations in the Earth’s greenhouse gases’
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/uoc-icr050808.php
Oh my, oh my!
Who can be my ‘favorite Iraqi’ now?
GMC70, Nathan, AmWay and other 2nd Amendment Supporters, here’s some news I BET you have not seen!
Note the Vitter Amendment in HR980. Given the vote record, I wonder if anyone who voted on this Bill found it? (See the last line of this post!)
Vitter’s Amendment - Buried Deep in The Bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z … L&summ2=m&
SA 4757. Mr. VITTER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 980, to provide collective bargaining rights for public safety officers employed by States or their political subdivisions; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.
(a) In General.–Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following: “§926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms
“Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof:
“(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.
“(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.”.
(b) Clerical Amendment.–The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:
“926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.”.
(c) Effective Date.–The amendments made by this section shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
For yesterday’s vote see:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r … vote=00126
(Boxer, Feinstein, and Shumer voted for it!!!!)
We’re getting cooler cosmos, wrap your mind around it!
Too bad Bush is threatening to veto it, though I disagree with the main provisions in the Bill.
This one Bill will make many people happy, and mad at the same time!
The purrfect Bill!
That’s pretty good new’s GM! Looks like I’ll be taking my gun with me when I fly now!
Hank - I think you will like the Vitter Amendment!
Yikes!!
HLP posts:
“Oh my, oh my!
Who can be my ‘favorite Iraqi’ now?”
How ’bout Osama bin Laden, the Republican party’s favorite Iraqi?
You pay him tribute every time you get gas for your car.
From my understanding, a huge majority (veto-proof) in the House and Senate voted for this Bill.
Cross your fingers!
It always amazed me how your rights ENDED at the State Line. This Bill fixes this problem!
From my understanding, a huge majority (veto-proof) in the House and Senate voted for this Bill.
Cross your fingers!
It always amazed me how your rights ENDED at the State Line. This Bill fixes this problem!
“HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
We’re getting cooler cosmos, wrap your mind around it!”
NO.
” March 2008 was the 2nd warmest March for the the globe on record, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center. Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record. ”
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/
Dear Hank Price,
Are you unable to read, and understand bth’s posts?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-512/#comment-347650
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacremento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
whereabouts near sacramento hank?
best to wait until fairly late fall - the Central Valley can be brutal - but the foothills are nice
Yikes!
Later folks. It was stimulating as always.
Yeah cosmos, one March does not a climate make. You do remember admitting that the earth is cooling the other day don’t you?
Welcome to the ‘dark side’!
Later VET!!
HLP posted May 14, 2008 at 5:34 pm
“Yeah cosmos, one March does not a climate make.”
That’s right Hank, and that’s why you have to look at the long-term trend.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Natural factors (solar minimum and La Nina) have been “cooling” the Earth — while human-added GHG’’s are warming it.
It’s like running both the A/C and heater in your house at the same time.
Hell, I don’t know Ben. We’re having the National Specialty out there and I have a dog that can win the herding trial!
I don’t know if we’ll even stay for the whole specialty or just the herding trial. It’s in October, probably ought to figure it out!
You do remember admitting that we’re cooling don’t you? Looks like the air conditioner is winning!
get up into the Sierras while you are there hank. Sacramento sucks but the hills are great.
If you drive: US 54 through Liberal to Tucumcari. I-40 to Barstow. CA 58 to Bakersfield. Then either I-5 or CA 99 to Sacramento.
For a change of scenary uoi can use CA 33 for that lasy leg.
Hey Ben!
http://beardie.net/bcca/specialty2008/competition/herding.html
Now you know as much as I do!
Dear Hank Price,
The natural “A/C” is short-term… and it sometimes turns off, and is replaced with a natural “heater”.
The human-added GHG’s are a long-term, gradual “heater”.
If you knew how to read a graph, you would understand the human-added GHG’s are “winning” long-term.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Thanks Ben!
Taking the RV, we’ll make a good vacation out of it.
I’m taking three of my dogs, plus one I’m training for another and one for a friend so he doesn’t have to fly.
Good times!
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
And Hank - take some little side jaunts along US 66 parallel to I-40.
Get your kicks on Rte. 66!!
Ben,
I’d say that the lack of cooling is “interesting”, and also very disturbing.
PBS TV had a show a few days ago re a daughter and mother sightseeing on Route 66.
Agreed cosmos. As a scientists I tend to use the word ‘interesting’ a lot - like when your doctor says your test results are ‘interesting’. Generally NOT good news.
bth
Posted May 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
Interesting thing is that what should be a short-term cyclical cooling is still the second-warmest March on record and, in fact, very close to another record-setter.
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So, that would the second warmest since 1934 after Dr. Hansen’s formula recalculation where all temperatures in the past 20 years were 0.15c too high?
74 years and a record temp spike! Phew! I can feel the sweat dripping.
Of course you realize that the U.S. set record cold temperatures, especially Alaska and while those poor Europeans had some heat.
I wonder when it was hotter in 1998, primarily due to El Nino and it was cooler in Europe, was Hansen’s formula error cycled directly or indirectly to the media?
You know if it wasn’t for that Canadian guy who worked with Hansen’s formula, no one would have known that Hansen was a mathematical failure.
“Over the Northern Hemisphere, and over all of the globe’s land areas, March 2008 was the warmest March in the 128-year global record.”
That is just a little bit longer than “since 1934″
“Only the presence of a moderately strong Laña event that cooled ocean waters in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific prevented March 2008 from surpassing March 2002 as the warmest March on record for the entire globe.”
Watch out Ben — Somebody might tell you about the Cold Front today over West Texas
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HLP
Posted May 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink
Well, if it does pass, it will make me legal in my motor home! We’re going to the Sacramento area this fall, nice to know I’ll be able to ‘carry’ out there!
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In the town of Shasta, not far from Sacramento, there is a fried chicken place, kinda in the middle of town (may have moved or closed, which I doubt), that has THE best fried chicken I ever ate. Definetly not a fast food or franchise place.
I wouldn’t go too far back in recorded temperature there Ben. There wasn’t even an established or calibrated way of measuring ambient temperature until the latter half of the twentieth century.
And still today, the methods and means of measuring temperature widely vary thr