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MUST WE SUFFER GLOBAL FAMINE AGAIN?

Do today’s soaring food prices and Third World food riots mean we’re headed for global famine? Not any time soon-if we suspend the biofuels mandates quickly. Unfortunately, if we keep burning corn, wheat, and palm oil in our vehicles, there’s no limit to the hunger, malnutrition, wildlife extinction and political disruption we can cause.

The problem is simple: Food demand is inelastic. People need about the same number of calories whether they’re expensive or cheap. But the demand for biofuels is almost without limit. An acre of corn produces only 50 gallons worth of gasoline per acre, while humans worldwide burn more than a trillion gallons of gasoline per year. Biofuels could absorb the whole world’s crop production without bringing down gasoline prices-because we’re banning coal and refusing to drill for oil. If we want to keep on eating, we’ll have to scrap the false “fuel security” of the biofuels.

Even giving up biofuels won’t stave off the world’s hunger for long, because we’ll need more than twice as much food and feed per year by 2050. The number of humans is likely to peak at about 8 billion, up from today’s 6.4 billion, and at least 7 billion of them are likely to be affluent enough to eat meat and ice cream. They’ll have fewer children-but more pets, few of them vegetarian.

If the world plans to have forests, wildlands, and wildlife species in the 22nd century, then we’ll need to triple the crop yields on the land we already farm-just for food and feed. Except for a chunk of western Brazil, there isn’t much high-quality cropland left in the world for cropland expansion, and none of it “extra” for biofuels.

But the same people who don’t want us to burn coal are telling us not to raise high-yield crops either. Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund tell us not to use nitrogen fertilizer taken from the air. They demand organic-only nitrogen from cattle manure or green manure crops-but such low-yield systems produce only half as much food per acre.

We’re locked into the same “don’t use it” debate on food as on energy. Is the Greens’ information on high yield crops any better than their “advice” on global warming-which tells us to stop burning fossil fuels though the world has cooled over the last ten years?

The funding for farm science has declined sharply since Dr. Norman Borlaug led the Green Revolution and saved a billion people from starving. America’s land-grant universities are now researching how to farm organically, though such “research” has never produced a yield breakthrough. The high-yield studies are being done mainly by agribusiness-and by Bill Gates who has vowed to rekindle a Green Revolution for Africa whether the Greens like it or not.

Now, a big new report from the International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development (IAASTD) has been cited as evidence that industrialized food production is screwing up the planet. This report was supposed to be the “big tent” laying out the consensus path for future agricultural research. The land-grant agriculture schools, Greenpeace, agribusiness, FAO, all were included. But, by the time the report was issued, only Greenpeace seemed to be at the drafting table.

And guess who’s in charge of this new “pattern for farming’s future”? Robert Watson, a British-born chemist who served as chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change from 1997-2002. What are the chances that the Greens’ farm science is any more honest than the IPCC’s global warming “science”?

After 1,000 Killed, a Ceasefire Is Reached in Sadr City

In Iraq, a ceasefire has been reached in Sadr City, ending two months of US-led attacks on the Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad. During that time, nearly 1,000 people are believed to have been killed. Thousands more fled their homes to escape the daily air strikes. The ceasefire between the Iraqi government and Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr was reached on Saturday.

You have to wonder what Sadr was promised…

US-Backed Iraqi Troops Launch Attack in Mosul

Meanwhile, US-backed Iraqi troops have launched a major attack on Mosul, the largest Sunni city in Iraq. Patrick Cockburn of the London Independent reports Mosul has been turned into a ghost town. He reports that soldiers are shooting at any civilian vehicle on the street that defies the city’s strict curfew. On Sunday, US troops shot dead two men, a woman and child after they failed to follow orders to stop. The Iraqi government claims the offensive in Mosul is needed to crush al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Report: Blackwater Won’t Face Criminal Charges for Civilian Deaths

In other Iraq news, the Associated Press reports the private military contractor Blackwater is not expected to face criminal charges for the shooting deaths of seventeen civilians in Baghdad. The final decision on any charges will not be made until late summer at the earliest. The seven-month-old Justice Department investigation is reportedly focused on as few as three or four Blackwater guards who could be indicted in the September 16 shootings.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/12/headlines

Not sure the validity of information below on the Global Poverty Act, but it surely involved $$$.
Our money. Actually, IOU’s to be paid back to a broke US Treasury by our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren:

“The United States Senate may vote any day on the stealth imposition of what could amount to an $845 BILLION United Nations style global tax on American citizens?

It’s called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama.

According to some conservative sources, this disastrous legislation could eventually force U.S. taxpayers to fork over as much as 0.7 percent of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product — or $845,000,000,000.00 — on welfare to third-world countries.

Here’s what Phyllis Schlafly, conservative activist and founder of Eagle Forum, recently wrote:

“Obama’s costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433), which could come up in the Senate any day, is called the Global Poverty Act. It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts…” [Emphasis Mine]

Time is of the essence because Senator Joe Biden, the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee just issued a report on the Global Poverty Act and it was placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar on Thursday the 24th.

That means that time is of the essence as this potentially massive surrender of your hard-earned tax dollars to the third world may be close to a vote.”

As for specific figures… WorldNetDaily.com reports:

“Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.”

“[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years… would amount to $845 billion ‘over and above what the U.S. already spends.’”

“The plan passed the House in 2007 ‘because most members didn’t realize what was in it.’ Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require.”

And, how would the United States pay for this $845 BILLION commitment? According to Kincaid, who published a report on the legislation; “A global tax will clearly be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.”

And that $845 BILLION global tax is in addition to our nation’s current Foreign Aid programs, which, in 2006, cost American taxpayers about $300 BILLION!

Senator Obama’s Global Poverty Act has already passed the House (many Members unfortunately voted in favor of it without carefully noting exactly what was in it) and President Bush may very well sign it!”

http://www.borgenproject.org/globalpovertyact.html

More bad news for the CONs–

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24582429/

WASHINGTON – Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr launched a Libertarian Party presidential bid Monday, saying voters are hungry for an alternative to the status quo who would dramatically cut the federal government.

His candidacy throws a wild card into the White House race that many believe could peel away votes from Republican Sen. John McCain given the candidates’ similar positions on fiscal policy.

Barr, who has hired Ross Perot’s former campaign manager, acknowledged that some Republicans have tried to discourage him from running. But he said he’s getting in the race to win, not to play spoiler or to make a point.

. . .

Barr, 59, quit the Republican Party two years ago, saying he had grown disillusioned with its failure to shrink government and its willingness to scale back civil liberties in fighting terrorism. He has been particularly critical of President Bush over the war in Iraq and says the administration is ignoring constitutional protections on due process and privacy.

While in Congress, he was a persistent critic of President Clinton and was among the first to press for impeaching the former president. He helped manage House Republicans’ impeachment case before the Senate.

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Perot put Clinton in the White House. Nader put George W. in the White House.

Now Bob Barr will help put Barack Obama in the White House.

Marine Corp excees monthly recruiting goal with 142 percent

WASHINGTON(AP) — The Marine Corps far surpassed its recruiting goal last month and could eventually be more than a year ahead of schedule in its plan to grow the force to 202,000 members.

All military services met or exceeded their monthly recruiting goals in April, with the Marine Corps signing 142 percent of the number it was looking for, the Pentagon said.

The Army signed 101 percent of its goal, recruiting 5,681 against a goal of 5,650. The Navy and Air Force met their goals — 2,905 sailors and 2,435 airmen.

The Marine Corps enlisted 2,233 recruits against a goal of 1,577.

“The Marine Corps, if they continue to achieve the kind of success they have had, could meet their growth figures more than a year early,” Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman told Pentagon reporters. That would mean by around the end of 2009.

Stretched thin by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon last year recommended

Life not so good for the average wal-mart bush voter.

Wal-Mart shares, which through Monday were up 22 percent year to date, fell 3 percent in early trading.

Net income rose to $3.02 billion, or 76 cents per share, in the first quarter ended on April 30, from $2.83 billion, or 68 cents per share, a year earlier.

The results matched the analysts’ average forecast, according to Reuters Estimates.

Consumers are seeking out Wal-Mart’s low prices, especially for basic items like groceries, shampoo and cleaning supplies, as the U.S. economy falters and prices of food and fuel soar.

The economic downturn comes as Wal-Mart has gotten back to the basics, trumpeting its low prices and slowing its aggressive expansion plans, to improve results at its existing U.S. stores.

At the end of January, Wal-Mart slashed prices on thousands of items by up to 30 percent to win sales from cash-strapped U.S. shoppers.

Republicans are getting us back to basics, food, shelter, having used security to accomplish the above.
Must be fans of Maslow’s hierarchy.

Correction.. the ARMY has lowered standards.. My bad. I have not seen that the Marines have officially lowered standards – but I am checking…..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/

Latest Wash. Post/ABC poll shows 82% of Americans think we’re on the wrong track.
Guess we’ll have to now refer to them as 18%ers!
The embarassment is that it isn’t yet affecting bush ultra-light mccain. Fool me twice, you can fool me three times!

Good morning Capn.!

Conservatives this year are left with no real choice. It looks like we’ll have a liberal with no clue running against a more liberal with no chance of a clue.

If Bob Barr is on the ticket in Kansas, he has my vote.

The absolutely only thing that McCain has going for him is he promised to appoint originalist judges. But I don’t believe him.

“Your man Obama, what’s HIS plan?”

OBAMA BREAKS HIS TAX PLEDGE; WOULD TAX MIDDLE-INCOME FAMILIES AND SMALL BUSINESSES

Today, Obama Said He Would Raise Payroll Taxes On Americans And Small Businesses Earning Over $102,000:

Obama Is Comfortable Raising Payroll Taxes On Americans Earning $102,000 A Year. Obama: “And in terms of raising the payroll tax, raising the cap on the payroll tax, right now everybody who is making $102,000 or less pays 100 percent, payroll tax on 100 percent of their income. There are about 3 – 4 percent of Americans who are above $102,000 in income every year. So if you want to talk about who’s middle class, me giving cuts to folks making $60,000, $70,000 and potentially asking more from friends of mine like Warren Buffet who I have no idea what he made last year, you know, that’s a debate I’m happy to have with John McCain.” (Fox News’ “Fox New Sunday,” 4/27/08)

But Only Two Weeks Ago, Obama Pledged He Wouldn’t Raise Taxes On Americans Earning Less Than $200,000:

When Asked By ABC’s George Stephanopoulos If He Would Pledge Not To Raise Taxes On The Middle Class, Obama Agreed. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “Would you take the same pledge [that there will be no tax increases of any kind, for anyone earning under $200,000 a year]?” Obama: “Well, I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I’ve been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.” (ABC Democrat Candidates Presidential Debate, Philadelphia, PA, 4/16/08)

ABC’s Charles Gibson: “Senator Obama, you both have now just taken this pledge on people under $250,000 — and 200-and-what? $250,000?” Obama: “Well, it depends on how you calculate it, but it would be between $200,000 and $250,000.” (ABC Democrat Candidates Presidential Debate, Philadelphia, PA, 4/16/08)

To show how far left the Libs are here, they can’t stand a MODIFIED Flat Tax that exempts the first $25,000 of income on individuals with a 20% rate above $25,000.

Even posting examples showing how Progessive this plan is, isn’t enough for the Libs. Why?

Because the Libs not only want ZERO tax for themselves, oh no, they want ZERO tax PLUS their EIC and Baby Credits too!

Pure teet suckers they be.

(Put your ear to the monitor and you can hear the Libs Oinking, Slurping, and Sucking!)

And now spend:

OBAMA WILL NEED MORE TAX HIKES TO COVER HIS BILLIONS IN NEW SPENDING

Obama Has Been Criticized For Providing Insufficient Funding Sources To Pay For His Billions In New Spending:

If Obama Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $662.549 Billion In New Spending Over One White House Term. (RNC Research)

“Many Critics Said Mr. Obama Was Playing Math Games When He Proposed Policies Without Identifying A Funding Source.” (Brian DeBose, “Obama Revises Plan On Tax Cuts,” The Washington Times, 10/1/07)

Obama’s Funding Suggestions Are “Illustrative Rather Than Complete.” “‘Obama recognizes this is an arithmetic problem,’ [liberal economist Bob McIntyre] said Tuesday, ‘and offers suggestions that I assume are illustrative rather than complete.’ That’s hardly accounting for ‘every single dollar’ as Obama claims.” (Calvin Woodward, “Dems’ Accounting Falls Short,” The Associated Press, 1/22/08)

Robert Bixby, Executive Director Of The Concord Coalition: “I couldn’t help but think, ‘Where is he [Obama] going to get the money to pay for these things?’” (Kevin G. Hall and Margaret Talev, “Clinton, Obama Ignore Budget Crisis, Promise Billions,” McClatchy Newspapers, 2/22/08)

Media Sources Have Pointed Out That Obama Won’t Be Able To Afford His Domestic Programs Without Breaking His Pledge Not To Tax The Middle Class:

The New York Times’ David Brooks Said For Obama And Clinton To Fund Their Domestic Programs “They Will Have To Break Their Pledge” Not To Tax The Middle Class. “Both promised to not raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 or $250,000 a year. They both just emasculated their domestic programs. Returning the rich to their Clinton-era tax rates will yield, at best, $40 billion a year in revenue. It’s impossible to fund a health care plan, let alone anything else, with that kind of money. The consequences are clear: if elected they will have to break their pledge, and thus destroy their credibility, or run a minimalist administration.” (David Brooks, Op-Ed, “No Whining About The Media,” The New York Times, 4/16/08)

The New York Times: “In Effect, Mrs. Clinton And Mr. Obama Are Saying That They Can Pay For Their Promises Mainly By Raising Taxes On The Top 3 Percent Of Taxpayers. That’s Neither Politically Nor Economically Plausible.” (Editorial, “Empty Talk On Taxes,” The New York Times, 4/24/08)

So Max, in answer to your question, and in conclusion, I would have to say that Senator Obama’s plan basically consists of two items:

1) Tax

2) Spend

You know, much like the libs have been crying about the republicans doing. The only difference I can see, is even though the middle class WILL be taxed more, they have the satisfaction of knowing the filthy rich will be paying a lot more.
Of course, the last laugh will be on them. When they pay more for energy (gas/oil/coal), because of higher taxes, when they will be paying more shopping at small businesses, and when they will be paying more for professional services because the social security cap is eating into professional service providers income: The rich will be reaping higher returns on their investments.

Yes, yes, Max. Only the Republicans can manage the economy.. see what a fine job they are doing now…….

Agree AmWay, Obama is MR. Tax & Spend.

The POOOOR though, will get Energy Credits, likely in the form of an ATM card where they will get $100 of free gasoline every month.

The Debt will soar of course, and the Dollar will get even weaker, but Obama will just Spend and Tax more to compensate.

And American jobs will disapear as over taxed businesses close down.

But who cares? Anything to get ELECTED.

Besides, Obama doesn’t care about AMERICA! He’s running for President of the UN – The World! (Why else would he propose spending $845 Billion overseas?)

LOL! Bush economic plan: Borrow and Spend.

Did I say that? Nope. putting words in my mouth again…..

“Bush economic plan: Borrow and Spend.”

Obama economic plan: Tax more, Borrow more, and Spend More.

All I can say is ‘GRRRRRRREAT !!!’

Liberal, Dodge and Garden City….YOU’RE NEXT!

Subject: HUGE RAID IN IOWA.Waterloo Cattle Congress fairgrounds to process them…

IS IT CHRISTMAS IN IOWA?…. Update: Up to 700 arrests estimated in Postville raid

By NIGEL DUARA and WILLIAM PETROSKI REGISTER STAFF WRITERS May 12, 2008

Postville, Ia. Four Homeland Security buses with U.S. Immigration and Customs tags on them have entered the Agriprocessors Inc. complex.

The buses, along with a trail of SUVs and vans with Minnesota license plates, arrived at about 11:45 a.m. Federal agents descended upon this northeast Iowa community at about 10 a.m. today to conduct an immigration raid at the nations largest kosher meatpacking plant. The ICE agents entered the Postville plant to execute a criminal search warrant for evidence relating to aggravated identity theft, fraudulent use of Social Security numbers and other crimes, said Tim Counts, a Midwest ICE spokesman. Agents are also executing a civil search warrant for people illegally in the United States, he said.
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Immigration officials told aides to U.S. Rep. Bruce Braley that they expect 600 to 700 arrests. About 1,000 to 1,050 people work at the plant, according to Iowa Workforce Development.

Chuck Larson, a truck driver for Agriprocessing, was in the plant when the agents arrived. There has to be 100 of them, he said of the agents.

Larson said the agents told workers to stay in place then separated them by asking those with identification to stand to the right and those with other papers, to stand to the left.

There was plenty of hollering, Larson said. You couldnt go anywhere.
When asked who was separated, Larson said those standing in the group with other papers were all Hispanic.

ICE spokesman Harold Ort in Postville did not confirm or deny that anyone had been detained, but went on to say that the children of those detained would be cared for and that their caregiver situation will be addressed.

They were asked multiple times if they have any sole-caregiver issues or any childcare issues, Ort said.

He said the two helicopters circling the complex were there to provide EMT support and to watch out for the agents on the ground.

Jeff Schnerbach, a sub-contractor electrician with Viking Electric, said he was on break at 10 a.m. when 200 agents stringed into the complex.

They took our statements, asked us where we were from, asked for an ID and let us go, Schnerbach.

Early scene in Postville

Earlier this morning, a helicopter hovered over the scene, and a number of agents formed a perimeter around the Agriprocessors facility. Vehicles from ICE and at least eight cars and vans from the Iowa State Patrol were at the plant. There were also reports of two moving vans at the scene, along with an ambulance and two black Chevrolet Suburbans.

Counts declined to confirm where people who are arrested will be detained. Federal officials have leased the National Cattle Congress fairgrounds in Waterloo, but they declined to explain last week whether the property was being prepared for use as a detention center.

Aides to Braley, a Waterloo Democrat, said they have been told that hundreds of arrests are expected because the action is more of an investigation than an immigration raid, and specific individuals are being targeted for arrest as part of the investigation.

Jeff Giertz, a spokesman for Braley, said immigration officials left the impression that the Cattle Congress site will be used mainly for processing of suspects rather than any long-term detention.

Counts said that each person being arrested would be questioned by ICE and by Public Health Service medical professionals to determine if they have humanitarian issues, including child care giver or medical issues.

Those interviews will aid ICE in determining whether people will be detained or conditionally released on humanitarian grounds, pending their immigration court appearance, Counts said.

Counts described the events in Postville as a single site operation. He said he was not aware of any other immigration raids being conducted elsewhere today.

Postville Police Chief Michael Halse said he did not know anything about the raid until 10 a.m. today.

Iowa Department of Public Safety officials referred all questions to federal authorities. A news conference is scheduled at 2 p.m. today at the U.S. Attorneys Office in Cedar Rapids.

Postville, on the border of Allamakee and Clayton counties, is a community of more than 2,500 people that includes natives of German and Norwegian heritage and newcomers who include Hasidic Jews from New York, plus immigrants from Mexico, Russian, Ukraine and many other countries.

The Agriprocessors plant, known as the nations largest kosher slaughterhouse, is northeast Iowas largest employer.

About 200 Hasidic Jews arrived in Postville in 1987, when butcher Aaron Rubashkin of Brooklyns Crown Heights neighborhood reopened a defunct meat-packing plant with his two sons, Sholom and Heshy, just outside the city limits. Business boomed at the plant, reviving the depressed economy while pitting the newcomers against the predominately Lutheran community.

A University of Iowa professor, Stephen Bloom, wrote a book, Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America, detailing what happened.

Workers and immigration advocates in Iowa began girding for an immigration raid last week after learning that federal authorities had leased Waterloos Cattle Congress fairgrounds. Federal officials declined to explain their plans last week, but advocates worried the fairgrounds would be used as a detention center. Thats what happened in December 2006, when federal agents took people apprehended in a raid at the Swift & Co. meatpacking plant in Marshalltown to the Camp Dodge military base in Johnston.

The scene in Waterloo

In Waterloo, a helicopter cruised over the Cattle Congress fairgrounds about 12:45 p.m. as a group of about five reporters watched from a parking lot across the street from the main gate.

U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials in black uniforms were posted at the gate and referred all reporter questions to Tim Counts, the spokesman.

A few touring coach buses were parked inside the gates, along with several ICE vehicles.

Obama has been in the US Senate since just 2005.

That’s experience in 2005, and 2006 or 2 years.

Since January of 2007, he’s been campaigning full-time.

So, we have a Presidential candidate who effectively has a Whopping 2 Years of Experience in the US Senate!

“ksfarmgrrl” –

Please provide me the cites, URLs, whatever you’ve got that explain the details of Senator Clinton’s *plans* for adopting the GLBT legislative wish list. I seem to have missed them.

In the meantime, Obama is on record for a myriad of policy proposals.

I can proviide those cites.

Maxie.. Maxie… Maxie… why are you sooooo fascinated about the Democratic candidates? Are you trying to decide between Senators Obama or Clinton.. or are you just tearing down the opposition? Should we be depending on you for some fair representation of their positions?

You could be touting your choice for the next president…. Senator CO2 limitation mandates, extend the tax cuts for the rich he opposed McCann?

Or really split the conservative vote and promote Barr?

By the way… how much experience in Washingotn did Abraham Lincoln have? He turned out okay….

Davy, can’t handle the topic – Obama?

Just try to change the subject then.

Monkey is hoping the subject will change too.

For once I agree with Farmgirl. She hit it on the head with this post. But go ahead and talk about Abe Lincoln now.

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ksfarmgrrl
Posted May 13, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink
In fact, not only does obama not have specific plans to fix the mess this country is in, he seems to be running on two things.

“I’m not Hillary”

and

“I’m not bush”.

How did that work for Al Gore and John Kerry?

“still time for Obama to FU again, and give Hillary the ammo”

Not sure what you mean about Obama, but to the point of your subject regarding the superdelegates.

There is nothing more to be gained by republicans voting for either Clinton or Obama. Might as well re-register and leave democrats standing like deer caught in the headlights – wondering where their “vast” swell of registered voters went.
Besides, for conservatives it will just like taking a shower and getting cleaned up.

Regarding the democratic convention: The best thing that could happen is the superdelegates cause a scene. There will be fallout – either way they go.

To me, just let the democratic cookie crumble.

Time to promote McClame, so maybe – just maybe I see a reason to support him for the white house.

Staying home is a real option for me.

Oh Regular, Obama has been in the Senate since Jan 2005.

He worked then in 2005 and 2006. That’s 2 years of Senate experience.

He started campaigning full-time in January 2007.

MaxGrobnik
Posted May 13, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Oh Regular, Obama has been in the Senate since Jan 2005.

He worked then in 2005 and 2006. That’s 2 years of Senate experience.

He started campaigning full-time in January 2007.
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Sorry, been taking math lessons from Chas.

2 Whopping Years in the US Senate.

Before that, 8 years in the IL Senate.

Before that, Community organizer (whatever the h*ll that is!) in Chicago for 5 years.

Before that, College.

Previous Occupation: Community organizer, Chicago, 1983-88
Lecturer of constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School, 1993-2004

Previous Office: Illinois State Senate, 1996-2004; U.S. Senate, 2004-date

Education: BA, Columbia University, 1983; JD, Harvard Law School, 1991

Birth: Aug 4, 1961, Honolulu, Hawaii

http://www.issues2000.org/Profile_Barack_Obama.htm

Oh yeah, he lectured at college for 11 years.

Real wealth of experience!

Just look at that Leadership ability too! (He led a puppet show at church)

Oh Farmgirl, I’m SURE Monkey is going to, in the near future, provide a comprehensive list of those “myriad” policy proposals from Obama.

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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 13, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink
“ksfarmgrrl” –

In the meantime, Obama is on record for a myriad of policy proposals.

I can proviide those cites.

Ok max. I’ll just wait right here for monkey to give us those famous obama solutions.

your tax dollars at work…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV1VsgMyf88&feature=related

Ever wonder what Max looks like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaaMoL3yIA

“ksfarmgrrl” posts –

“Ok max. I’ll just wait right here for monkey to give us those famous obama solutions.”

Which solutions, “ksfarmgrrl?”

There are plenty of position papers on the Obama web site. Maybe he didn’t get down to your specific personal issues, but you’re not telling me what those might be.

In the meantime, you’re joining up with “MaxGrubnik?” in your contempt for Senator Obama?

Where’s that come from?! Talk about strange bed-fellows.

In the meantime, I simply asked for your evidence that Senator Clinton is an advocate for your issues. You responded, “…it doesn’t matter. You’ve already declared Obama the candidate.” Talk about a cop-out.

And frankly (contrary to your previous accusations against me) I’m committed to advocate the presidency of whomever emerges from the Democratic National Convention with the nomination. Can you say as much?

I mean, Mike Gravel could work the smoke-filled rooms and come out as the nominee and he’d still be better than Shrub’s Third Term, which is all McSame has to offer.

As a dedicated Hillary-ite, you are pretty good with attacks, “ksfarmgrrl.” And, in your words, “how’s that worked out so far?”

Nice dodge. Go to the website. I’m so sure that is what the MAJORITY of voters are going to do.

No. I will not support obama under any circumstance. I’m not supporting mcsame either. I’m just staying home.

I got the memo. Obama doesnt need gays to vote for him.

And it is not a cop out to refuse to discuss Hillary. She will NOT be the nominee. So why beat a dead horse?

But thanks for proving my point, that without Hillary to run against, obama is reduced to “go to my website”.

If that’s all he’s got, it’s gonna be a long march to November for you.

Yeah, check out Obama’s Fiscal plan!

See how GENERAL this is!

For example:

Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.

What dollar amount is “Wealthy”? WTF!?!

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf

(From the mouth’s own web site!)

According to Maxie’s count.. Obama has 15 years of public service.. That sounds like enough to know his way around . . .

The Democrats have two highly qualified candidates – I’ll vote of either of them in the general election.

Policy is changed in legislation. Electoral campaigns do not write legislation.
If you have any ears and give a fair listen, you can judge what direction the candidates hope to steer the country.

FROM: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/18/ken_burns_compares_obama_to_li.html

“Burns noted that Lincoln had come into the White House with much less Washington experience than other leading politicians of the 1850s. With the country in such a perilous state at the time, he said, one might have thought it needed an “old pro” like William Seward, when in fact, Burns said, “what the country really needed was a wiry, relatively inexperienced” person, Abe Lincoln.”

Yup AmWay, Annie has a crush on me. And she’s full of BS diversions too.

Note how Monkey will follow the Party Line – blindly, no matter who the nominee is.

I gained much respect for Farmgirl today, in that she sticks to her principals and will not support Obama and blindly follow her party and vote for any candidate with a “D” behind their name.

And heck Monkey, just because Farmgirl agrees with Max on ONE topic, doesn’t me she’s wrong!

Follow my party?

I’m NOT a democrat. Damn, I’ve said that like a thousand times here.

annie_moose
“Here’s A blast from the past on why the flat taxers have gotten nowhere”

Give it time Annie, give it time.
The Flat Tax has been and is being recognized worldwide in all types of political governments:

The Flat Tax Revolution in Europe
David Storobin, Esq. – 8/5/2006
In 1994, Estonia became the first country to institute the flat tax, charging 26% on all personal and corporate income with no deductions allowed. “The economy flourished” as a result, declared The Economist. The Estonian example was followed by the other two Baltic states, Latvia and Lithuania, but remained largely irrelevant and unknown to the world at large, as few people were aware of what was taking place in the region. But on January 1, 2001, Russia joined the Baltic states with an even lower tax rate of only 13% (the country’s corporate tax is still very high). This led the world to notice. In what was arguably President Vladimir Putin’s most successful act, tax reform jumpstarted Russia’s economy and tax revenue skyrocketed, doubling within three years.

In 2003, Serbia passed flat tax reform with a new rate of 14%. The next year, Ukraine and Slovakia imposed a flat tax of 13% and 19%, respectively, and Romania’s flat tax – instituted in January 2005 – is 16%. The lowest tax of all, at only 12%, is in Georgia, which was passed by an overwhelming vote of 107 to 11 parliamentarians on December 22, 2004.

Several other countries may join the above 9 nations if the next elections lead the opposition to take power. Poland, the most powerful East European country in the EU, is likely to be one. The main opposition, Polish Civic Platform Party, wants a 15% flat tax on personal and corporate income, as well as VAT.

Likewise, the Civic Democratic Party, the primary opposition in the Czech Republic, is proposing a 15% flat tax, and even the governing Social Democrats are likely to simplify the tax system (without making it flat).

Former Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, the leader of the main opposition party FIDESZ-MPP, said Budapest will have “no choice” but to jump on the “flat tax bandwagon” to retain the country’s share of foreign investments that will otherwise flow to flat tax nations. The statement was echoed by Hungary’s finance minister, Tibor Draskovics, a member of the Socialist Party, who is now prepared to examine the possibility of a flat-rate income tax. The governing coalition’s junior partner, the Free Democrats, had already issued which proposed a 30% optional flat tax on income in place of the current system, which has a top marginal rate of 38%.

China is known to be examining a tax reform featuring a uniform, single tax rate for all. In Barbados, the President of the Barbados International Business Association, George Gleadall, called for a 12.5% flat rate on both personal and corporate income, indicating that it may even be as low as 7.5%.

In past years, the Canadian Alliance, then the largest opposition party in Canada, called for a flat tax (CA merged with the Progressive Conservative Party, and is now known as the Conservative Party). China is known to be examining a tax reform featuring a uniform, single tax rate for all. In Barbados, the President of the Barbados International Business Association, George Gleadall, called for a 12.5% flat rate on both personal and corporate income, indicating that it may even be as low as 7.5%.

In past years, the Canadian Alliance, then the largest opposition party in Canada, called for a flat tax (CA merged with the Progressive Conservative Party, and is now known as the Conservative Party).
March 08, 2005
Last January, Slovakia became the sixth Eastern European country to adopt a flat tax, which means all income-earners pay the same rate. Since then, Romania and Georgia have followed suit, creating a global proving ground for the concept. In the process, flat-taxers have moved Eastern Europe from a Communist backwater to an investment spring – pressuring its higher-taxed Western neighbors to adapt to the new environment.

This flat tax revolution is changing the world. Jurisdictions with the most aggressive and far-reaching single-rate tax systems, such as Estonia, Hong Kong, and Slovakia, are enjoying rapid economic growth. Flat tax systems also are leading to more revenue in many cases, reaffirming the Laffer Curve notion that reasonable tax rates and strong economic growth are the best way to generate monies for government. Perhaps most important, the flat tax revolution signifies a victory over the notion that the tax code should be used to penalize those who contribute most to economic growth. The ultimate irony is that this revolution in both economic and moral attitudes is being led by nations in Central and Eastern Europe-countries that were part of the Communist Bloc less than two decades ago.

Thanks to tax competition, it is likely that the list of flat tax nations will continue to expand.
Center for
Freedom and Prosperity
April 20, 2008
Trinidad and Tobago Joins the Flat Tax Bandwagon
Effective January 1, 2006, Trinidad and Tobago joins the ranks of the flat-tax countries. It implemented a flat tax of 25%, replacing the previous two-bracket system of 25% and 30%. Other features included raising the personal allowance from TTD (Trinidad and Tobago dollars) 25,000 to TTD 60,000 ($1 = TTD 6.265).
February 25, 2008
Kazakhstan Joins the Flat Tax Bandwagon
On February 1, 2006, the president of Kyrgyzstan signed into law a change in the country’s tax code that substituted a 10% flat tax on individual income in place of a graduated structure of rates between 10-20%. At that time the president of neighboring Kazakhstan said that his country would consider implementing a flat tax in 2007.
January 14, 2008
The Flat Tax is on the Agenda in Hungary
Hungary is surrounded on several sides by flat tax countries: Slovakia in the north, Ukraine in the northeast, Romania in the east, and Serbia in the south. Near flat-tax neighbors include Bulgaria, Montenegro, Macedonia, and the Czech Republic. Hungary’s business daily Világgazdaság reported on January 11, 2008, that the current coalition government, which consists of the Socialist Party, the senior member of the ruling coalition, and the market oriented Free Democrats, is considering four tax measures to boost economic competitiveness. The chosen measure is expected to take effect in January 2009.
January 14, 2008
The Flat Tax Begins to Percolate in New Zealand
New Zealand is scheduled to hold general elections for the 49th session of its parliament in late 2008, but no later than November 15, 2008, to comply with the convention that sessions shall not exceed three years. Current polls suggest that the opposition National Party will supplant the Labour Party as the leading vote-getter, but whichever wins a plurality of votes may have to form a coalition with the Green Party. Other minor parties include the Maori and the First-ACT parties.
January 03, 2008
The Flat Tax in Jamaica
The flat-tax revolution has mainly encompassed Central and Eastern Europe. It has also touched Central Asia and Africa. For completeness, it is desirable to include the case of Jamaica, which has thus far been overlooked in these comments on countries that have adopted flat taxes.
January 02, 2008
The Flat Tax Spreads to the Canton of Obwalden in Switzerland
Switzerland has a three-tiered income tax system in which income taxes are levied at the federal, cantonal, and municipal level. On average, about a third of all personal income taxes is collected at each level, although there is wide variation among the twenty-six cantons and some 2,900 municipalities. The federal income tax consists of nine brackets that range from 0% on the first Sfr 25,000 ($1 = Sfr1.13) to a top rate of 13.2%, after which it falls to 11.5% on income exceeding Sfr 716,500.
January 02, 2008
The Flat Tax is Implemented in Bulgaria
Effective January 1, 2008, Bulgaria joins the raft of Central and Eastern European countries which have adopted the flat tax.
December 13, 2007
The Flat Tax at Work in Russia: Year Six, 2006
The Federal Treasury of the Russian Federation has compiled the data for total taxes and revenues for the consolidated federal and regional budgets for 2006. The data show that the 13% flat tax on personal income continues to achieve very positive results.
November 26, 2007
The Flat Tax at Work in Montenegro
In December 2006, Montenegro’s parliament approved a 15% flat tax on personal income. The new law sets the flat rate at 15% in 2007 and 2008, reduces it to 12% in 2009 and 9% in 2010.
October 31, 2007
The Flat Tax Expands its Ambit in Georgia
Effective January 1, 2005, Georgia (the country, not the U.S. state) adopted a flat tax of 12%, replacing its previous four-bracket system.
Hoover Institute

Maxi and A way hehehehehehe hehehehehe heheheheheh

Chortle snort giggle laugh not much conviction in your arguments if all it takes are 2 clips off of utube to trip you up. Laugh hahahaha heheheheh .

Who tripped me up? Annie, you must cut-back on your drug use during the day.

As for your Blast from the Past, AmWay posted much more recent information (in this Century even) about the trend toward flat taxation.

You libs scream bloody murder if you have to pay a penny of tax yourselves.

Heaven forbid!

Come on Maxi show me some documents on liberals not paying taxes. For that matter show me the welfare queens driving around in their beamers. Anybody confiscate your guns today Maxi? Well at least this will cheer you up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zRmRJ6vA5c

I sense arm flailing, the movement of ‘hot air’ has increased slightly from the doldums of the ‘Lib’ world.

“MaxGrobnik” contributes –

“… just because Farmgirl agrees with Max on ONE topic, doesn’t me she’s wrong!”

Nah.

Bit that’s the way to bet.

“Myriad Plans”

Ha Ha Ha

Isn’t it amazing that George Carlin – comedian of the 70’s and 80’s – could write something so very eloquent…and so very appropriate.

A Message by George Carlin:

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider Freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems , more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.

We’ve learned how to make a living, but not a life. We’ve added years to life not life to years. We’ve been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We’ve done larger things, but not better things.

We’ve cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We’ve conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stock room.

Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.

Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give wit h your heart and it doesn’t cost a cent.

Remember, to say, ‘I love you’ to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.

Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

As usuall Chas., my most reverend friend, you are again and continually full of $hit.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp

Oh MAN. I HATE it when I laugh so hard at one of Hank’s posts. I dont care who ya are, THAT’s funny!

I’m STILL chuckling. Can I borrow that line sometime?

“As usuall Chas., my most reverend friend, you are again and continually full of $hit.”

’cause it just has SO many applications. I’m not making fun of Chas, and in fact, I frequently feel sorry for him here.

But he and grmie get their asses handed to them more often than any other posters. I can just feel how Hank feels because I feel that way about some of the wild assed stuff germie posts too.

So.. the next time we wanna hand someone their factual ass, can we please borrow the “you are again and continually full of $hit” part?

It would be so much fun.

At least I dont post a bunch of BS about the ancient, 8,000 year old universe… like SOME folks here do!! ROFL!!

May 13th, 2008.

Chas,

I still have not been contacted by anyone. It is not fair having you hold this over my head. Just let me know the truth that you didn’t contact anyone so I can stop worrying about the charges I might be facing.

Hey boy!

I thought you were working, otherwise I wouldn’t have taken a shot at your favorite target!

Come over to the clinic after while, I have something for you.

Love ya,

Pa

Nathan –

What is done, is done… It is not in my hands… The timeline is not mine… Stop making a total ass of yourself every day. This is the last response you will get from me to your stupid question.

Ah, Chas., my veracity challenged friend, you have absolutly no idea of my personal thoughts concerning what you so elequantly term the “hate ammendment”. I’ve never expressed my feelings toward it here or anywhere else publically.

Furthermore, my fundephobic friend, you have no idea of the position of my church on said amendment since I’ve never talked about my church here either.

So, to be fair, why don’t you tell us what you did to actually support gay rights lately. Have you testified in legislative committees like the good Farm Girl? Have you sacrificed time and money? Have you risked your job?

Or, are you again and continually full of excrement?

Chas,

Why is it ok for you to mock the belief of my father and those who believe in a Young Earth yet you cry and whine anytime we question yours?

American Way,

Perhaps we need to go there and acout out the territory and “prepare” for my defense with some crawfish and drinks?

Dear Members and Friends of The Clergy Letter Project,

I am thrilled to report that The United Methodist Church, at its General Convention just concluded, endorsed The Clergy Letter Project. The resolution that was overwhelmingly passed at the General Convention, which meets once every four years, adds a statement to the Book of Resolution that reads as follows: “The United Methodist Church endorses The Clergy Letter Project and its reconciliatory programs between religion and science, and urges United Methodist clergy participation.”

The General Convention also adopted two other resolutions that are very supportive of evolution. The first explicitly adds the acceptance of evolution to the Methodist’s Book of Discipline. In part, the resolution states that “We find that science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology.”

You can read the full resolution here: http://calms.umc.org/2008/Text.aspx?mode=Petition&Number=50.

The final resolution adds a new statement to the Methodist’s Book of Resolution dealing with creationism and intelligent design. The wording reads as follows, “Therefore be it resolved that the General Conference of the United Methodist Church go on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools.”

This is fabulous news and we owe a debt of gratitude to Daniel Oertel, Al Kuelling and the Kansas East Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church, respectively, for making these three resolutions possible. Please help spread the word about this good news.

Now let me provide an update on Evolution Weekend 2009 (13-15 February). I’m delighted to say that we’ve never had so many congregations sign up to participate so early! As of this morning, we already have 95 congregations representing 38 states and five countries scheduled to participate. I plan on posting the web site in a few weeks, hopefully when all states have representatives. If you have not yet signed up to participate with your congregation, please think about doing so. Simply drop me a note (mz@butler.edu) and I’ll get you listed.

Let me close this note, and my plea for participation in Evolution Weekend this coming year, with words spoken by the Archbishop of Canterbury (Rowan Williams) at his Holy Week Lecture on Faith and Science (17 March 2008): “One of the many great men buried in this Abbey is Charles Darwin. If you read the biographies you’ll discover that at Darwin’s death a number of his friends and associates were getting ready for a battle-royal over where he should be buried. And it was a dog that didn’t bark. The ecclesiastical establishment at the Abbey and elsewhere, welcomed Darwin’s burial in their midst. Distinguished clergy preached obituary sermons about Darwin, underlining the ethos of the work, the spirit of attention, the spirit of selflessness. The Bishop of Gloucester preached a sermon in which he – somewhat complacently – observed that in no other country in Europe would a distinguished agnostic scientist be buried in a Christian place of worship; and whether or not he was right about that, it’s a very significant witness to the fact that the stand-off between faith and science, even between faith and Darwin, was not always what we might imagine it to be. And that attitude to Darwin represented by his burial in this place, is perhaps a good model for seeing the centrality, in our thinking about faith and science, of practice.”

You can read the full lecture at http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1710.

Please remember that 12 February 2009 is the 200th anniversary of the birth of Darwin and the year is the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. Participation in Evolution Weekend is not meant to deify Darwin but to demonstrate the strong, positive interactions that religion and science can have. It is an opportunity to elevate the quality of the dialogue about this important relationship. Doing so is no less critical now than it has been since the legislatures of various states are currently attempting to move forward with legislation that would permit narrow religious instruction to become a part of the public school science classroom. Similarly, a group in England is moving forward with plans to build a multi-million dollar creationist theme park, similar to the one recently opened in Kentucky. Religious leaders and scientists need to band together to demonstrate to the public that religion and science need not be at war with one another.

Please participate and please spread the word about The Clergy Letter Project. Together we are helping to shape perceptions around the globe.

As always, thank you for you continued support.

Michael

Michael Zimmerman
Office of the Dean
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Butler University
Indianapolis, IN 46208

Tel: 317.940.9224
Fax: 317.940.8815

mz@butler.edu

Chas,

Nevermind. What was I thinking?

You are not even a Christian, so why should I expect you to know what I am talking about.

I think this quote sums it up rather well:

“These pastors have signed a statement that inappropriately forces the integration of evolution into the text of the Bible, or worse, reduces the Bible to allegorical ‘moral stories’… Beginning with the Bible, it is simply impossible to arrive at evolution. These 10,200 pastors arrogantly or ignorantly deviate from Christian tradition and orthodoxy by claiming their opinions trump the thousands of years of tradition and the plain reading of the Bible. The relativistic language, “forms of truth,” confirms that this is an appeal to pastors duped by the cultural influence of tolerance.”

Jefferson Reed

Chas,

I don’t think you are a Christian.

I think those Churches are wrong and have abadoned the scripture for society wanting to feel good and fit in.

NATHAN — Why dont you take it up with the two United Methodist Pastors in Kansas East Conference. They are listed above. And you can find their email addresses and phone numbers on the Kansas East Web Site…

http://www.kswestumc.org

Well boy,

Chas., may have a point. If the “VIEWS OF THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH” are such that we must now accept Darwin as a modern day prophet, who are we to protest?

Maybe the Catholic Church isn’t the Whore of Babylon after all?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24599419

“WASHINGTON – John Hagee, an influential televangelist who endorsed John McCain, is apologizing to Catholics for referring to the Roman Catholic Church as “the great whore” and calling it “the apostate church.”"

Does that mean Hagee hated Catholics before he liked them?

Chas,

The mere fact that a bunch of Pastors and Chruches feel it neccisary to write a letter saying how they all denounce creationism and agree with Evolutionary Theory is what makes them political.

Duh.

“Just let me know the truth that you didn’t contact anyone so I can stop worrying about the charges I might be facing.”

I assume this is sarcasm. Chas has sent me an email telling me what he did about his concerns regarding you and your posts. I know nothing about this organization he contacted.

Honestly, it is hard for me to believe that any official government body would be the least bit concerned with purveyors of dogma. There is just way too much religious intolerance around, for anybody to grandiose enough to think that they could stamp it out. These are the reasons why I think any action happening is very unlikely.

“I doubt that the journalists at the New York Times and NPR or at ABC or at CNN are going to ever admit just how wrong their negative pronouncements were over the past four weeks.”
(MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, 4/9/03)

Scarborough has done an about face on the administration and half of an about face on Iraq. Apparently Katrina opened his eyes.

Thank you, Joe.

Steven,

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

Even if whoever Chas wrote to did care, they can’t do anything about it.

If it was an anonymous complaint as Chas claims, why would they take it very seriously anyhow?

Chas,

Please tell me where accepting Evolutionary Theory is a matter of faith?

Naathan — where did I say it was anonymnous?

Steven – Yes, there is something that can be done.

Chas,

Remember when I told you how excited I was to finally be able to back track this complaint to you so that I could tell your superiors about your language and attitude on this blog?

You said I couldn’t do that because it was an anonymous complaint.

Well, if it is not, then I hope they do contact me.

Chas,

Please tell me what can be done?

Because I think you are full of crap. There is nothing they can do to me.

Nathan,

I thought it was your group who tried to conflate regilious faith and an acceptance of evolutionary theory.

I hope that your above posts suggests you see these as fundamentally different things – because they are. Faith you believe in the absence of proof or empiricism. Science requires evidence. Very different standards.

Here’s how you win elections–

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/vfc_landing_page/

And it’s why the RepubliCONs drive down the public’s interest in all things political by making the process as nasty as possible.

Chas- When are you going to learn to hit the ignore button in these daily situations?

Chas,

You told Steven that something could be done.

What is it?

Otherwise you are just full of crap as usual.

Nathan writes >>>>

“If you are a group based on faith and the Bible your goals shouldn’t be to conform with Evolutionary Theory or teach such.”
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THAT Nathan, is your basic fallacy. See, there are millions who see Evolution; and are faith based; and see absolutely no contradiction between the two… The FACT that you are unable to do that, makes you an extremely rigid individual… And yet at the same time, you CLAIM to have no problem with science… Except for that you basically wipe out ALL of science with your Young Earth superstition!!

dem ain’t crawfish, dems mudbugs…

Nathaniel
Posted May 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
Chas,

And you can claim to be a Christian all you want to. It changes nothing about you actually being one.
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Since Chas responded to your other post, I will respond to this. It would the full extent of arrogance to assume that you know very much about Chas at all, based on his posts here. It is possible for you to be wrong about him. Do think the foregoring is possible? Simple question, please answer it.

Steven,

Based on Chas’s answers to my questions about Christ, I am left to believe that he is not a Christian.

Do I believe he could be a minister? Sure.

Do I believe he could be a minister in an alleged “Christian” denomination? Maybe.

But, is Chas, a Christian? He has yet to show me how he is one.

He evades questions and gives half answers where any Christian shouldn’t need to.

That is why I can very easily conclude that he is not one.

“The height of arrogance Steven Davis, is butting in on other people’s discussion.

“Or you feel Chas is just too weak to defend himself?”

Thanks for your valuable feedback, James. I have R.L. calling right now. Will be back later.

James, do you fail to see the irony that you are “butting in”, too, my irony impaired friend?

Steven,

I have been to many different denominations. I completely understand that there are a multitude of little things which differetn denominations believe. I don’t think those types of things make a difference.

The ultimate thing which makes someone a Christian is not their belief in Creation vs. Evolution. It is your belief in Christ.

Based on the way Chas answers question about Christ, I have concluded he is not a Christian.

A Christian shouldn’t need to elude questions about Christ or only give half answers. And based on the answers Chas has given, he is no Christian.

Regular
Posted May 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink
So Steven Davis, you are admitting Chas is too weak to argue for himself.
*****
Kindly prove that.

Still Nathan,

Can you prove that Chas is not a Christian? You could conclude that Regular is a figment of all of our imaginations, that in itself would not make it true. I am just asking for a little humility from you – the Christians I know value humility. How about you, Nathan?

DavidB
Posted May 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

Obama has no plans? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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WOW David. I posted links to Obama’s site hours ago.

If you would actually bother to READ the “Plans” on Obama’s web site, you would see there are no Plans.

Just sweeping generalizations, and sound bytes. Sounds Pretty though.

So Nathaniel you are the authority of who is a Christian and who is not. All because someone doesn’t agree that Christ is the way to salvation. Because they don’t believe the Bible in the same way that you do. Here is reality Nathaniel. You have no more authority, nor any more epistemology in ascertaining what parts of the Bible are Literall (or as fundies like to say “VERILY VERILY”) and what parts are to be taken in context. Given this tidbit of reality, why should anyone here give a rat’s ass about whether you consider chas a Christian or not?

Mary,

If that is what Chas believed, perhaps.

Wrong nathaniel. It merely proves that he is not YOUR TYPE of Christian. Nothing more. Another Reality, You don’t get to decide who is a Christian and who is not. It is not your job to make that decision, it is God’s Job. So why not get over yourself and let God do his job chief?

On the other hand…I would imagine if Heaven exists, there are many non-Christians there, too.

Attorney General Stephen SixSixSix actively undermined Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline’s prosecution of 107 criminal charges against Planned Parenthood’s second-trimester Overland Park abortion mill, particularly obstructing the presentation of the evidence known to incriminate Planned Parenthood for falsifying records. Immediately after DA Kline subpoenaed Judge Anderson to produce documents which included a series of letters and other papers regarding KDH&E records that had, according to Judge Anderson, been improperly altered or manufactured, but containing no private medical information, AG SixSixSix filed a motion asking for a protective order on all information related to Kline’s inquisition, and asking that the High Court quash Kline’s subpoena to Anderson. The following day the “court” ordered Judge Anderson not to appear, and not to present any of the incriminating evidence. (Judge Anderson testified in Tatum’s “court” in January that he had records that were falsified by Planned Parenthood.) On April 28, “judge” Tatum ruled that the KDH&E did not have to honor another subpoena from Kline, although KDH&E does not possess private medical information such as the names or addresses of the mothers, either.
Pro-lifers are calling for “judge” Tatum to recuse himself and face charges of obstruction of justice, under a federal conspiracy investigation.
This is clearly a widespread criminal conspiracy in the Kansas executive and judicial branches to obstruct justice and prevent enforcement of state laws and medical regulations regulating and restricting abortion mills – a conspiracy orchestrated by the paid puppets of Planned Parenthood, carefully placed in Kansas government by the pro-abortion, unelected, unaccountable judicial nominating commissions, and the Democrat party that collects its sizable share of the blood-soaked abortion mill profits every year.
O, for lawmakers and a House Speaker with spines to stand for the rule by law, rather than rule by abortionist quacks, and to impeach the conspirators.
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Rev. John Hagee, an influential televangelist who endorsed John McCain, is apologizing to Catholics [except, of course, for Bilious Sebelius] for referring to them as “the great whore” of scripture.
(Revelation 17:1-18)
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Ellie-Suzanne Fish was born four months premature at 23 weeks. She weighed a little more than 1 pound and was given a 10 to 15% survival chance. But today, at 9 months old, Ellie-Suzanne weighs 14 pounds and finally has been released from the hospital. She was born in England with cerebral palsy, has had 3 operations, requires a feeding tube and extra oxygen, and needs her airways suctioned. Her fight for life has defied medical expectations.
Likely there are British judges somewhere itching to order this baby’s execution by a brutal 13-day starvation, just like the USofA does for its disabled people.

Parkay…I’m prolife and you even get on MY nerves!

“The standard is that anyone who belives that Jesus Christ is God is a Christian…”

By this definition, Satan is a Christian.

Nathanial: Why don’t you stop worrying about being the sheriff of Christian Standards? I don’t presume to know what the “standard” of a Christian is. Do I need to say it again? It ain’t my job to define that. It ain’t your job to define that.

LLTVET,

I am not defining it. Christ himself did that. As does the rest of the Bible.

I use those standards.

It is common sense. If someone claims to be a Marine, but they have never been to boot camp or even served in the Marine Corps, are they a Marine?

Simply because Chas claims to be a Christian doesn’t make him one. His views or lack thereof on Christ is what makes him NOT a Christian.

Hud
Posted May 13, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
“The standard is that anyone who belives that Jesus Christ is God is a Christian…”

By this definition, Satan is a Christian.

Nathaniel
Posted May 13, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
Hud,

Exactly.
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Sorry Nathan, you agreed with Hud’s statement… You want to try to spin out of that one??

While you are here Chas, why don’t you go ahead and tell us what it is that you believe about Christ?

Chas,

Is it the stroke making you type in caps or was that by choice?

Chas is this the definition Nathan posted?

Mary_Caruso
Posted May 13, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
Anyone who believes that Christ is God is a Christian….saying that, I would imagine that if hell exists, there are many Christians there.

Chas,

That was not a definition, it was a statement. You are trying to link several things together to form your conclusion.

So why don’t you just clear the air up here and tell us what you believe about Christ?

Rings Dinner Bell…

Red Beans with ham hocks, fresh collard greens and fresh from the oven corn bread, butter and clover honey. Ice tea or coffee.

Oh BTW Nathan,

You do know I was kidding about “calling me sir” right?

Sorry, hard to put that “twinkle in the eye on a blog.” :)

Gotta agree with linda Chas.

You accomplish nothing arguing with the Price’s.

They know everything.

Well, except that bit about humility and bearing false witness.

You are a FAR better person than either of them or both put together. Regard them as you would a bit of poo you encounter on a walk. Consider them as part of the landscape, not your fault, and pass ‘em by.

Regular,

I’m fine. No Problem.

Linda,

If you noticed, I didn’t start this till Chas decided he was going to mock my father for believing in a Young Earth.

As usual, you liberals can dish it out, but as soon as any of it is directed your way, you run and cry.

A quick look shows…

Chas posted a very thoughtful bit of prose.

And Hank shot off his mouth.

Just for the record.

Lord Lead us not into temptation; but Deliver us from those who think they’re You!

Nathaniel: Strange that you mention being a Marine in the same way that you mention being a Christian. Ok, I will use the “regulation” to show that you indeed are not a Christian. Let’s start out with the notion a christian is to, and I quote “greet one another with a holy kiss.” Now I may presume that you dont (safe bet) but you will no doubt tell me that I don’t interpret Romans 16:16. correctly. That it isn’t literal. But, of course the salvation part is literal. Once again with no epistemology to back it up. It is your belief Nathan. Not a fact. The standards apply to your life, but they don’t have to apply to mine.

Evolution forced into the Bible eh?

Sort of remakes the Bible into an UnHoly book then.

ah yes Regular. We can’t have evolution in the Bible, then it can’t be used to scare people into submission. The Catholic Church did their job very well creating a fear based reality. Protestants today have the illusion that they are free from that subjegation.

oops, “poisonous”

I posted a cut/paste — Really good content… It had George Carlin’s name attached to it… I DID NOT PUT GEORGE CARLIN’S NAME ON IT… THEREFORE I POSTED NO LIE, AND REGULAR LIES LIKE ALWAYS!!

I posted a P.S. that you may not have seen, because it says nice things about a friend of mine, whose motorcycle-influenced nic also is associated with pornography. And is, thus, “awaiting moderation.”

How dumb it that?

So, does anyone of even normal intelligence work at Wordpress? It would appear not.

Well Regular: Do you really think that such ridiculous changes will be made? For some reason, Christians see a slippery slope regarding evolution. I have always maintained that Darwin became irresponsible when he asserted that our existence was by random chance. Such an assertion is only an opinion. It is irresponsible. And is a type of religious dogma.
But it is almost certain that people “evolve” Darwin’s 7 axioms are inarguably true. (I suppose an argument can be made against #2) However, if all mankind came from Adam, then our several races exist because of “evolution”

I was merely trying to show Nathanial that the ideas of the Bible are still valid without them having to be “verily verily” This is where the slippery slope shows. According to many Christians that I speak with. If the Bible is not “verily verily” then it is not authoritative and oh no, People like me are going to rape their wife or steal their car.

With regard to chas being a Christian. I would only wonder if he lives a decent life, shows compassion, tries not to hurt anyone, even himself. Then I certainly can’t exclude him. But, not my call chief.

LLVET, can’t say I’ve really followed the thread, but thanks for raising the level of debate.

Period. That’s not a slam on Regular or whoever else. Just an observation.

From Chas’ post:

“Now let me provide an update on Evolution Weekend 2009 (13-15 February). I’m delighted to say that we’ve never had so many congregations sign up to participate so early! As of this morning, we already have 95 congregations representing 38 states and five countries scheduled to participate.”

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Be sure to support your church’s Evolution Weekend” (or is it “Darwin Days”). Rousing games include “pin the tail on the creationist”, “which monkey is my mama?” and the ever popular “survival of the fittest” dodge ball (baseballs) tournament. Refreshments will include “puddle of goo” pudding, and fossilized fruit cake.

And they say that belief in evolution isn’t faith based. Chuckle….

BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink
Carlin HAS used that bit of prose. Both in spoken and written form.

And James is just another bit of the poo I talked about.
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From the Snopes Link:

George Carlin very emphatically denied he had anything to do with “Paradox,” a piece he referred to as a “sappy load of shit,” and posted his comments about being associated with this essay on his own website.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp

And I have heard him read it.

BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2008 at 7:49 pm | Permalink
And I have heard him read it.
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B.S.

Carlin also stated on his Website, if it did not come from an HBO show, movie, a book or any of his non-Internet publications, it was not him.

But a nice try Junior on trying to further the lie.

Your assessment is hardly rational LLVET. Like those words “verily, verily” do you? Do you feel the spirit when you say them or is a fleck of spittle running down your face?

Perhaps if you took more than a tainted breath evaluation of something, you might see the errors in your assessment.

When your ready to step up let me know, I’ll be around.

………….the troll, little jimmie mac, is well on his way to polishing off yet again his nightly bottle of rot-gut whiskey!

Read his posts and watch as he aimlessly rambles on………………..

Regular, why don’t you figure out what a fallacy is. Study them all, then tell me when your ready.
Oh, and don’t get too upset about my irony surrounding “verily verily” Lighten Up chief. It’s just a joke. Just like outlander’s “puddle of goo”

LLTVET
Posted May 13, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink
Regular, why don’t you figure out what a fallacy is. Study them all, then tell me when your ready.
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You do assume a lot don’t you? Do you think everyone that doesn’t agree with you is some sort of knuckle-dragger?

I’ve take several philosophy courses which include critical thinking and logic, participated in bulletin board discussions on a philosophy board and understand fallacy as it applies to engineering principles and literary values.

Whenever you decide to step down from your artificial high-horse that you’ve saddled, let me know.

Well Regular, when I present an argument against a known fallacy (the slippery slope) and you seem to just say that it isn’t a fallacy. Just because you think it is common sense. Well it makes you look like a knuckle-dragger chief.

So do you want to discuss our slippery slope from above? Or do you just want to get mad and accuse me of being on the proverbial high horse?

Just think Apophis, if he did drink, he would be even WORSE!! LOL

jimmymac posted May 13, 2008 at 7:15 pm

“Oh you mean when I post a cut and paste and cosmos calls me a liar for a year and a half.”

The fictional last paragraph jimmymac added to his copy/paste post here is a lie.

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232

jimmymac, aka “Regular”, aka many other nics is a liar.

Nite VET

Thank you, folks.

I won’t explain that. Sorry. Figure it out.

I know you can. :)

http://www.georgecarlin.com/home/home.html

anybody who knows Carlins act should know he doesnt do sappy sentimental shit, In fact you could call him the anthesis of sappy

I left this discussion long ago to attend an event at my son’s high school where he was given honors for his grades, attitude, participation, and attendance.

You guys who don’t have an R.L. are just sad. You should get one, if it is not too late for you.

Night all…

Steven,

I just returned from my Bowling League. Where I meet with several friends I have made from school and work to have some fun.

I have a real life too.

“I have a real life too.”

Of course you do. When I was your age, I was not on a blog (admittedly they did not exist then), hasseling people. I was out looking for girls. Found a few. How are you doing, virgin boy?

I’ve seen Nathan, he is not a bad looking kid. You have to kind of wonder what is up with him hanging out here, when there may be females who could overlook his problems.

Mark J. Penn in his book “Micro-trends” suggests that there is a problem for females finding suitable men. There are fewer males being born, fewer are going to college, whereas more women are going to college and making reasonable incomes.

Hmmm… RE: Nathan is all I’m saying…

“How does that make me have no humility?

“As you yourself said earlier: Do you even see the irony here in your saying those things about me?”

If you don’t know, there is no point in discussing it further. I do believe that you might be too limited to understand the point.

Some other time we will discuss this. I am going to bed now.

Night, night, chump…

Will you be nice reasonalbe Steven or 2nd grade name calling Steven the next time we meet?

No more troll food for Nathan. Night.

Steven,

So is it some other problem then? What makes you turn into the name calling machine every so often?

Should be on CNN Jay.. Anderson Cooper maybe..

Dammit. I found it on you tube.

Likely it is very busy and so slow to load.

Cspan is also absent. THEY are rerunning Obama stuff. I’ll keep looking.

Obama supporters?

I don’t support your candidate. But I do respect you.

Well, most of you.

Obama NEEDS this fight. He needs to learn HOW to fight.

“Hope” and “change” and “vote for me or else” aint gonna get it.

Chas
Posted May 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
Dear Members and Friends of The Clergy Letter Project,
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Don’t you just hate seeing the same stuff posted several times a day?

Still looking for Senator Clinton’s speech….

Stuck listening to Obama. I’ll give him a hearing.

WHY can’t I hear the speech I WANT to hear?

Steven,

Had to leave calling us names… wow. How immature.

Hug Nathan WS.

Sure Dems will take WV and all 49 other states.

You see, the Dems are signing up new members every day, and the Dem turnout in the primaries is about double what the Repub turnout is in the primaries.

Some say that since the Repub candidate was decided 3 months ago, that Repubs haven’t bothered to turn out. Some say that Operation Chaos has given the Repubs something to vote for/against in the primaries, instead of voting for McCain who has already won.

But don’t believe some people, just keep foolin yourselves about how great the Dem turnout will be in November.

In fact, the turnout will be so great, you Dems don’t even need to bother to vote.

Oh Boy! Hillary won WV by better then a 2:1 margin and she gained a whopping 12 more delegates then Obama!

It’s getting close folks. Need to find a way to count MI and FL and buy the Superdelegates!

Candidate_________Delegates
Hillary Clinton————1,713
Barack Obama——1,882

Nathan,

I’m not a big fan of LaPierre, as his language is usually to inflamatory and turns many people off. His heart is in the right place though.

But this article, was a classic. Best single article I’ve ever seen with LaPierre’s name on it.

Steven,

Now you claim we want to kill people???

Leave with some dignity man if you are going to leave.

Nathan DID threaten posters here.

He threatened to bring a gun to a meetup.

“Hug Nathan WS.”

Naw, he’s still a virgin and might get the wrong idea.

The resounding sound of silence, then mass cries and sobs of disbelief fill the blog in the void of the departure of Steven Davis.

How will we all go on without him?

The agony, I can barely bare it!

Maybe if we begged him to come back, wrote the editors, and sign a petition, or use some of Nathan’s legal defense fund (which he will no longer need) to bribe Steven, he will come back?

Steven met you James. He was nice to you.

Let’s me and you meet. I won’t be so nice.

Hank wrote: “But the same people who don’t want us to burn coal . . . ”

Hank, tell it to your boy McCain.

The Baseball Bat Defense!

http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=8320112

Two suspects wanted in Aumsville home robbery

Last Update: 5/13 5:54 pm

BOISE, Idaho — Two accused burglars are behind bars after authorities say they got into a fight during a home invasion.

Michael Torrey, 25, is charged with felony burglary and aggravated battery. Darren Schwartz, 18, is facing felony burglary and robbery charges.

Police say the two were caught inside a house on Maze Street Monday night. They were discovered by two men who live in the home.

A fight broke out between the victims and suspects, and a baseball bat was used during the altercation, according to investigators.

Police believe the men did know each other, and say the incident does not appear to be random.

http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8319572&nav=menu554_2_2

Gang Takeover

Posted: May 13, 2008 08:00 PM CDT

Crime is taking over Fort Hall Township. Homes have been burnt down, ransacked and shot out. The streets are covered in graffiti. Most people say it’s a matter of time before someone gets killed. Fort Hall Police are blaming the violence on gangs, and there’s evidence of that everywhere.

Last week, Captain Lance Osborne with the Fort Hall Police Department took Local News 8’s Sally Showman on a drive to show her the damage gangs have done to the community.

Home base for most of the gang activity in Fort hall is the Township. It has an eight block radius and it’s a hotbed, boiling with gang tensions. “Several stabbings have happened here and stuff like that. We’ve had some of driveby shootings but so far no one’s been hurt,” says Captain Osborne. He says it’s likely just a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt or killed. “The more violent acts are coming. They are getting really involved gang members.”

Gangs have set fire to at least four homes in the Township and you can’t look down a street without seeing graffiti marking gang territory.

During the ride along, Captain Osborne drove past several homes with bullet holes in them.

For security reasons, a townsite home owner didn’t want her face on camera but she spoke about the gang violence she’s fallen victim to over the past few years. “In the last few years I have been more terrorized than anyone else in Fort Hall,” she says. “I’ve had to deal with a burnt home, gun shot, broken windows, broken car windows, kids being hit, it’s a situation that’s gotten out of hand,” continues the Fort Hall resident.

It’s hard to keep up on repairs. She still has shattered windows from the most recent home invasion that happened a month ago. More than five bullet holes riddle the outside of her house and inside you can see where a bullet went through her tv and out the bottom.

Police Searching For Suspect In Daylight Home Invasion

Updated: May 13, 2008 06:49 PM CDT

CORPUS CHRISTI-Police are out in full force looking for the man they say is responsible for a bizarre home invasion in the 3600-block of Braniff, near the Corpus Christi state school. Apparently, a masked man broke into the side door of the home.

A woman and her three young kids were inside at the time. KRIS 6 News learned the robber pushed the toddler into some furniture giving the child a big bump and a bloody nose, but thankfully no major injuries.

The suspect then rummaged through the home and took jewelry and compact discs before running off. What is odd is that it happened in broad daylight. Investigators are at the scene currently and hoping the suspect left behind fingerprints as he rummaged through the home.

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8319247&nav=Bsmh

I’m also trying to figure out how a gun in my closet protects me when somebody wakes me up in the middle of the night with a pistol in my face . . .

I guess I should sleep with a loaded handgun under my pillow like Max does.

38 Rapes in Memphis Reported in 30 Days

Last Update: 5/13 6:43 pm

MEMPHIS, TN – Eyewitness News Everywhere uncovers 38 rapes were reported in Memphis in the last 30 days. Experts say Memphis has a history of being the city with the highest number of rapes per capita and the reports have come in from all across the city.

Experts say in a lifetime, one in 12 women will be forcibly raped and many of the victims will be 18 or younger. However, experts say only one in 10 sexual assaults are reported.

One victim told police she was raped Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 4:30 in the afternoon, near the intersection of Macon and Graham. Suzanne Melton, who lives in the area, says knowing that is a scary thought.

“It makes me angry that you can’t feel safe, leaving your home and you can’t go to a grocery store, the mall. wherever… and feel safe. You’re always looking over your shoulder to make sure no one’s following you.”

Experts say, to stay safe, people should look for certain signs.

“Excessive jealousy, someone who’s checking on your whereabouts, who you’ve been with, where you’ve gone… all of those are signs of someone who’s abusive and who could be sexually abusive as well,” said Anna Whalley of the Shelby County Crime Victims’ Center. Whalley says people should also be aware of their surroundings at all times, especially when going out at night.

Memphis resident Lisa Murphy says she was raped eleven years ago during a home invasion.

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=f0fd7e23-191f-4b03-b29f-09e5d93a62ae

The suspects took electronic equipment, a shotgun, and marijuana from the residence.

Looks like that shotgun didn’t do those people in the home being invaded much good.

The suspects took electronic equipment, a shotgun, and marijuana from the residence.

Hey, Mr. Policeman! They stole my weed!

Capn,

Hank Price’s “coal” post was a copy/paste written by his hero, Dennis Avery.

Avery lies about climate scientists.

‘Outrage in the Climate Science Community Continues Over the “500 Scientist” List’
http://www.desmogblog.com/outrage-in-the-climate-science-community-continues-over-the-500-scientist-list
“Earlier today we broke the story about dozens of scientists outraged at the use of their good names in an article by Heartland Institute’s “Senior Fellow” Dennis Avery (pictured above) posted on their website entitled 500 Scientists with Documented Doubts of Man-Made Global Warming Scares.”

See link for quotes from some of the scientists.

“I guess I should sleep with a loaded handgun under my pillow like Max does.”

Actually Max recommends having a body part replaced with a firearm, as he has done.

Max had his cheney removed and replaced with a small caliber derringer. He has had some problems with it however, since it seems to misfire or fire prematurely, fails to chamber a bullet when needed and jams frequently and often misses the target, but he is ready if someone breaks into his house.

J R–

Max is an arrogant, irritating idiot and so is Reguliar, but they’re not the same arrogant, irritating idiot.

Google “Max Grobnik.” You’ll get some guy in Iowa. He posts on WEBlog up there too. At this link, he gives his address as “Des Moines, Iowa” http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ia/TO1RB4M8UTECPNV2G

As we well know, Reguliar lies in his sister’s basement on a busy street north of Central in East Wichita.

However, if you like to needle Max by claiming that he is Regular, go ahead. He deserves it.

LOL, Clark!

You are a sick bastid. I love it.

Max would appear to want some to believe he is from Des Moines >>>>

Max Grobnik
Des Moines, IA (taken fro Topix.com)

Square Peg is the pastor of which church?

Hmmmmm……….

CapNAmerica — I have noticed several posters that have suggested that there are a few troublemakers who might have been able to hack the WEBlog for purposes of getting past registration, or for stealing email addresses.

Maybe Max is one of those culprits. Hey, its his language – not mine!!

Gee, it’s after 1 a.m. there in Kansas. Guess I should go do something else, and let you good folks go to bed. Hawaii is so nice this time of year. :-D

Or maybe Max doesnt find Regular’s sister intresting until after 1 a.m. LOL

pong

Thanks CapN – Just here on some business for a few days. Should be home for the weekend! But it is very nice here right now. Golf here is incredible!

I needed some cold hard cash. The electricity was shut off. I couldn’t pay the bill. I asked a bro if I could borrow a couple bucks. “Money is tight right now” I was told. So, I went looking into a payday loan. I had to use the internet as there are no stores near my house. After filling out 3 applications
I settled on Funding Now. Quickly I arranged all of the paperwork and sent the fax to them. The next day I checked my bank account and they tried withdrawing the full amount of the advance rather than depositing it! Afterward I gave them a buzz to find out whom I needed to murder No one was helpful. Well, anyway I call the attorney general. I was on my own with less money then when I started with. So out of curiosity I called another payday advance company. The company was quick advance. Not only did they offer me a payday loan at a cheaper rate, but they fixed the problem with the previous payday loan! Quick Advance rocks! If you’re ever looking for a payday loan shop around!

Hallo,

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