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Polar bears OK without our help
Says the Boston Herald:
Thursday is the deadline set by a federal judge in Alaska for the Fish and Wildlife Service to decide whether the polar bear is a threatened or endangered species. All the evidence shows the polar bear doesn’t need his help. Environmental groups petitioned for such a listing and sued when a decision was not forthcoming by the deadline. They claimed that global warming had already diminished polar ice, would continue to do so and doom the estimated 23,000 or so bears to extinction by perhaps 2050.
If the bears were listed, the service would be obliged to designate “critical habitat.” The Endangered Species Act provides that each federal agency would have to `insure that any action authorized, funded or carried out by such agency is not likely to jeopardize any endangered species or threatened species or result in the destruction or adverse modification (our italics) of (critical) habitat of such species.”
The environmentalists, if not the service, could claim that any activity that emitted carbon dioxide, the chief gas causing the supposed warming, could not be authorized, financed or done by a federal agency. The agencies would have to bring the modern world to a crash as no fossil fuels could be burned in power plants, no highways built and so forth throughout the economy.
The plaintiffs’ claims are highly dubious. Polar ice is shrinking, but the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said in October that it was caused not by warming but a shift in wind patterns that pushed more ice out of the Arctic. Another report in January said surface warming in the Arctic was caused by unexplained atmospheric heat transfer from the tropics.
Polar bears have been around for 100,000 years, surviving much warmer temperatures before the last ice age. Population estimates are subject to huge and unknowable uncertainties. Native groups say there are more than there were several decades ago. Environmentalists are pursuing another petition to list a seal species as endangered – one eaten by bears, it seems. If there weren’t so many bears, there’d be more seals. Canada, on whose territory about two-thirds of the bears live, has refused to classify them as threatened or endangered. The United States should follow suit.
On a much happier note. . .
We now have a new addition to our house, Nicki!
Nicki is an eight week old Beardie from Washington. I flew to Seattle and back over the week end to bring her home.
She’s passed the miniature Schnauzer test and Samson is taking care of her like a good big brother.
I see we start the day again with the usual reichwing, evangelical “christian”, global climate change denial, diatribe from the Price household.
Isn’t about time from the gun crazed marine-boy to chime in in defense of hi ol’ pappy?
Hank,
I have a sister-in-law who is into dog rescuing. Not on the scale you are, but she does do some local work.
Are you familiar with dogs who have been placed in a number of homes having what they are calling an “attachment disorder” – some of these dogs get real anxious when left alone. There are varying treatments for this. Do you know about the course of this problem – i.e., how long it lasts, and preferred treatments? I had heard about a treatment that you plug into the wall electrical outlet that is supposed to release a smell that is like that of a mother dog’s which calms such dogs down.
Just curious.
Good morning my dear Apophis!
I copied an article without comment from the Boston Hearald! Now I don’t care who you are, but the Boston Herald is not one of the great bastions of conservative thought.
You really need to look deep within yourself to find the source of your bitterness.
You shouldn’t let the fact that a poor, old, over the hill fundy like me is happy bother you so much!
…..BITTER isn’t the word
DISGUSTED with your type is much more accurate.
Well, my dear Apophis,
No matter what the ‘word’ is, it’s your little personal problem, not mine!
I’m just small enough that your ‘disgust’ with me brings me a little smile. Normally one has to personally attack someone as small and bitter as you to get a rise but all I have to do to annoy you is merely exist!
One must take life’s little pleasures where he finds them!
“The United States should follow suit.”
Uh huh.
It’s fairly obvious the cut n paste is an editorial. And so what? The Eagle runs that loon Cal Thomas.
Probably why no link was provided.
…sorry hankie, YOU are the one with the problem.
It’s obvious YOU are the one with the”fringe” BELIEFS.
I enjoy the personal attacks on any of your kind, it’s my goal in life.
Apparently, if you are the ambassador to Iraq, and this government is giving you money, while you’re socking all your income in banks around the world, you have a God given right to complain when someone says, “Hey, spend your own money!”
Iraq envoy rejects Democrats’ anger over US funding:
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Iraq_envoy_rejects_Democrats_anger__05112008.html
Worst administration ever:
The US Attorney who wasn’t fired: How Bush pick helped prosecute top Democrat-backed judge.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/How_Bush_US_attorney_riddled_with_0401.html
. . . and republicans denounce Obama because of Wright?
Leader of GOP convention quits after Myanmar ties reported.
Coordinator of GOP convention quits after Newsweek report on his firm’s ties to Myanmar junta
The man picked by the John McCain campaign to run the 2008 Republican National Convention resigned Saturday after a report that his lobbying firm used to represent the military regime in Myanmar.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Leader_of_GOP_convention_quits_afte_05102008.html
Hagee makes Wright look like a boy scout. Where’s the uproar from the media? Maybe because Hagee isn’t black? I’ll believe McCain when he denounces Hagee’s endorsement.
John Hagee’s McCain Endorsement Sparks Uproar.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html
McCain’s relationships with some very questionable people are slipping under the radar, for instance, Gordon Liddy:
http://www.goleft.tv/viewer.asp?v=1360
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/
Great cartoon from today’s paper!
Good mornig Steven,
I tried to respond a couple of times before I left home this morning, but my neighbor’s WiFi went away!
I’ve placed a few dogs with separation anxiety but I’m afraid I can’t be much help. They’ve all been special cases, not much to learn from one I could use on the next one.
I try to place them in homes with retired people that can prety much stay with them all day. Some have worked well being placed in homes with other dogs.
I don’t think I’ve ever really ‘fixed’ one.
We have a puppy mill dog we rescued four or five years ago. Dr Sandy Weiss helped us with him.
She is very good with problem dogs and she’s local. Dr Weiss is a nationally acclaimed animal behaviorist. Truly a national treasure!
Hank
“…Dr Sandy Weiss helped us with him.”
Will have to remember that name. The odor treatment, I was mentioning above, lets off the scent of a nursing mother – whatever that would be like. It is kind of expensive as I understand it.
Yeah, Hank, the seperation anxiety disorder does seem like a fairly intractable problem. Attachment to others is so evoluntionarily important to dogs – with the pack business, it would make sense that disruptions in this area would be difficult to overcome. But, maybe God has something to do with, too. :)
The dog Dr Weiss helped us with had some very severe problems, didn’t trust anyone. He was impossibel to place with anybody. He thinks Samson is a rock star! He follows Samson around like he’s his hero.
With our new puppy, we now have five dogs and Samson has one!
Oops!!
My wife just walked by and slapped me up side the head!
Emily Weiss. It’s EMILY Weiss!
http://www.emilyweiss.com/about.html
Sorry.
After reading Chas/Square Peg argue math on what became a very humorous thread yesterday (Open 5/11), I now understand something about the Socialists and their argument for higher taxes for the rich.
You see, the Socialists either 1)Do not have the math and comprehension skills or 2)Intentionally lie with numbers to support their argument for higher taxes for the rich and less for them – ie. Redistribution of Wealth.
So, maybe we can all do some MATH exercises today to torture the Math-Challenged Socialists a bit more.
To start with, I’ll repost my post from yesterday – USING THE NUMBERS AND LINK POSTED BY CapnA.
Note, Chas accused me of lying with the numbers.
All I did was use CapnA’s numbers, I cited CapnA as the source and reposted the link FROM CapnA.
I then ADDED to CapnA’s numbers percentages of Tax Rates and percentages of Tax Cuts.
So, if my numbers are wrong, blame CapnA and his link.
Oh, an Income Tax thread, and I missed it!
Using Capn’s numbers and link from yesterday, I added percentages to make for a more thoughtful analysis.
For the challenged out there, I added 1) next to the old tax, the old tax rate 2) next to the new tax, the new tax rate 3) the Tax Cut perentage.
Single, income of 30,000 … $3,158 … 11% $2,756 … 9% Cut 13%
Single, income of 50,000 … $7,263 … 15% $6,606 … 13% Cut 9%
Married, income of $50,000 … $5,085 … 10% $4,013 … 8% Cut 21%
Married, income of $60,000 … $6,585 … 11% $5,513 … 9% Cut 16%
Single, income of $75,000 … $14,263 … 19% $12,856 … 17% Cut 10%
Married, income of $75,000 … $9,427 … 13% $7,763 … 10% Cut 18%
Single, income of $125,000 … $29,379 … 24% $26,472 … 21% Cut 10%
Married, income of $125,000* … $23,427 … 19% $19,463 … 16% Cut 17%
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23003.html
So, everyone had their taxes cut by the Bush tax cuts, by at leat 9%.
Capn want to play the game with percentages and dollars and say that someone making $125,000 getting a 17% tax cut is somehow unfair if someone making $60,000 gets a 16% tax cut.
Da*n unfair, ain’t it?
Gee, if you make more money, you pay more taxes. If you get almost the same percentage tax cut as someone making less money, then your cut totals more dollars. Duh.
The married person making $125,000 also paid $19,463 in taxes – MUCH MORE DOLLARS then the married person making $60,000 who paid $5,513 in taxes.
Let’s do some more math – The one with $125,000 in income paid 3.5 times more tax, while making just 2 times more income.
Your right Capn – that ain’t fair.
Speaking of taxes, to measure the benefit you’d also need to take into consideration if something which was being taxed, was no longer subject to tax. And, say capital gains tax reduction which has only a minimal affect on the vast majority of citizens. Also, credits which benefit businesses.
Much more to the story than simple tax bracket percentages.
Here’s the original post from Capn:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/open-thread-510/#comment-346695
I’m waiting for the Income and Asset argument from you Socialists….
“But those who make $125,000 STILL have more money left even after paying taxes!”
Yeah, those evil successful people – YOU Socialists want to take 100% of what they make and give it to yourselves.
THAT IS REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH – so just be HONEST – You want to STEAL money from some and give to yourselves.
To help the Socialists better understand the US Income Tax and the Redistribution of Wealth, here is one short math lesson for today:
3RD GRADE MATH LESSON:
Say the Sales Tax is 5%. You buy a video game for $100. You pay $5 in Sales Tax.
(Chas, get your calculator to check my math: 100 x .05 = 5)
Say the Sales Tax is INCREASED from 5% to 6%. Is that a 1% Increase or a 20% Increase in the Sales Tax?
Let’s test it, boys and goils.
I buy the same video game as above for $100. With a 6% Sales Tax the Sales Tax is now $6, instead of $5.
(Chas: 100 x .06 = 6)
So, I have now paid $6 instead of $5 in Sales Tax on the same $100 video game. That’s a $1 increase in the sales tax OR (Chas get your calculator) a 20% Increase in the Sales Tax!
($1 divided by $5 = 20%)
So, going from a 5% Sales Tax to a 6% Sales Tax is a 20% INCREASE in the Sales Tax.
REPOST FROM YESTERDAY’S OPEN THREAD:
One of the CONs wrote: “Let’s do some more math – The one with $125,000 in income paid 3.5 times more tax, while making just 2 times more income.
Your right Capn – that ain’t fair.”
Okay, CON, I got a deal for you. Since poor people pay so much less in taxes and you’re saying they get a break, why don’t you voluntarily cut your salary down to 20 or 30 K a year so you can get their “unfair” advantage?
Yeah.
Didn’t think so.
When you make more, and thus benefit more, you should pay more. That’s the foundation of progressive taxation that every modern advanced society uses.
If you don’t like it, you might try Somalia. Taxes are very low there.
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Also, it’s ridiculous to argue that someone with taxable income of 1 million dollars getting a three percent cut is fair because the guy who makes 10K also gets a three percent cut.
The million dollar earner gets a 30,000 tax break. The 10K earner only gets 300 dollars back. There’s no comparison between the two.
Obviously, you can’t just look at percentages–you also have to look at the numbers those percentages represent.
Take for instance this headline: “CRIME RATES SOAR 30 PERCENT!”
A little town who had 9 instances of shoplifting in 2007 and 12 in 2008 would indeed have a big percentage increase. But do three more crimes in a year justify the idea of a “soaring 30 percent increase?” Technically, yes. Realistically, no.
It’s a waste of time Max. No amount of reasonable posting will change the mind of Chas or his airhead supporters.
And, I must say your posts are reasonable, loaded with facts, illustrative explanations and straight forward.
Doesn’t matter though, it’s lost on the tinfoils.
The previous lesson boyz and goils was calculating the impact of a Sales Tax Increase. The next lesson for the Socialist Children (raised in public schoolz) is to see the impact of a Sales Tax Decrease.
3RD GRADE MATH LESSON NUMBER 2:
When Taxes Go Down
Say the Sales Tax is 6%. You buy a video game for $100. You pay $6 in Sales Tax.
(Chas, get your calculator to check my math: 100 x .06 = 6)
Say the Sales Tax is DECREASED from 6% to 5%. Is that a 1% Decrease or a 16.6% Decrease in the Sales Tax?
Let’s test it, boys and goils.
I buy the same video game as above for $100. With a 5% Sales Tax the Sales Tax is now $5, instead of $6.
(Chas: 100 x .05 = 5)
So, I have now paid $5 instead of $6 in Sales Tax on the same $100 video game. That’s a $1 decrease in the sales tax OR (Chas get your calculator) a 16.6% Decrease in the Sales Tax!
($1 divided by $6 = 16.6%)
So, going from a 6% Sales Tax to a 5% Sales Tax is a 16.6% DECREASE in the Sales Tax.
Also, taxes don’t take “money from the rich to give to the poor.”
About half of the income taxes (some estimate that it’s already over half) go to fund present and past military costs and the interest on the debt from military costs.
And your taxes are for the most part flowing to big companies with huge profits–Halliburton, Bechtold, CACI, Blackwater, Raytheon, et al.
The small percentage that flows directly to “poor people” goes mainly to children.
I suppose you just want them to starve.
I’ve got an idea. Why don’t you show me one thriving, successful country that doesn’t use progressive taxation like we have here?
Good luck.
Regular, thanks for helping yesterday with the Math lessons.
Since most the children now have ADD, I figured we’d have to repeat this exercise every day until Chas admits that he was W-R-O-N-G.
Regular, can you help with the lesson? My union contract only allows me to teach 10 hours per week, while doing lesson plans and training for 30 hours per week.
BTW, I already showed beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that Chas was correct. AND the CONs were correct.
It just depends on whether one looks at the difference in tax in real terms (24 percent -21 percent = 3 percent) or in percentage terms (21 percent / 24 percent is 88 percent or 12 percent lower).
Sheesh, no wonder Korea is eating our lunch.
Okay, CON, I got a deal for you. Since poor people pay so much less in taxes and you’re saying they get a break, why don’t you voluntarily cut your salary down to 20 or 30 K a year so you can get their “unfair” advantage?
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Why should I do that? Will you?
I earn my money Capn.
There’s a big differnce between EARNING money and TAKING it from someone else. Didn’t you learn that in 3rd grade?
Last I heard, we had the FREEDOM in America to work hard, and earn as much money as we wanted to work for!
Nope, FREEDOM isn’t in the vocabulary of the Socialist Liberal Democrats.
Max, I am sorry to tell you this but you are teaching the wrong subject.
The first thing that has to be understood is the difference between Tax Rate and Tax Change.
Tax Rate is based on Total Income while Tax Change is based on Tax Paid. You have to move the reference point or you get the wrong answer.
Person A is married with an income of $125,000.
They pay $19,463 in taxes or 15.6% of their income in taxes.
Person B is married with an income of $60,000. They pay $5,513 in taxes or 9.2% of their income in taxes.
Person A makes 208% more income then Person B.
Person A pays 353% more income tax then Person B.
How much more “Progressive” do you Socialists want it? Come on, get some balls and give me the numbers you think are FAIR!
Person B gets the same or more benefits from Government as Person A.
Person A pays 353% more of the cost for these benefits.
So Person A is SUBSIDIZING the cost of Person B.
THAT is your redistribution of wealth.
CapnAmerica
Posted May 12, 2008 at 11:16 am
CapnAmerica
Posted May 12, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink
BTW, I already showed beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that Chas was correct. AND the CONs were correct.
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Yeah…
The following conclusion by Chas is correct? rofl!
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Chas
Posted May 11, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
Max’s table is based on a false premise… What more can I say?? There IS no more to say!!
Chas
Posted May 11, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
24% — 21% = 10% Cut?
Gee, must be the New Math
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Chas didn’t have a clue what he was talking about and got caught with his smelly foot in his mouth.
Certifiable idiocy is what Chas rates.
Person A and Person B each go to the Government Benefit store and buy a pie.
Person A pays $35.30 for the pie.
Person B pays $10.00 for the very same pie.
Person A is SUBSIDIZING the cost of Person B.
THAT is your redistribution of wealth.
SOCIALISTS – How much more should Person A pay for his pie? How much less should Person B pay for his pie?
COME-ON! Give me some numbers!
If this doesn’t crack you up, nothing will. The Bill O’Reilly melt down. Scroll down until you hit it.
http://thinkprogress.org/
Ok HUD, please carry-on with the lessons.
My union contract prevents me from teaching any more today.
So, here ends today’s lesson from Max.
“Why should I do that? Will you?
I earn my money Capn.
There’s a big differnce between EARNING money and TAKING it from someone else. Didn’t you learn that in 3rd grade?”
Who is the Capn taking his money from? Why do they allow him to take money from them? Max what illegal act does the Capn commit that upsets you so much? Max what do you do to earn your money? I certainly don’t pay you for your commentary. Did you really go to the 3rd grade Max.
Magnaminous Max, worrying about the poor single person pulling down a little over 10,000 per month, or the poor couple pulling down 20 grand a month that might see their tax share increased.
Max: the consummate republican neocon. His box limits him to two trains of thought: guns and money. But then again, when you consider the source, what else could you possibly expect?
Nice J M Walker, a video from 20 years ago?
I don’t like the guy either, but obviously being embarrased on National Television by an incompetent staff is enough to test anyone’s patience.
I don’t believe I stated anything either way, other then to point out some humor, reg. But since you bring it up . . .
Ok genious posters:
How much should Person A pay for the pie?
How much should Person B pay for the same pie?
My Massa, he says he can’t afford no more tax!
JM, if there weren’t Socialist Thiefs like you around, I wouldn’t worry so much about money or guns.
Just why do you care so much what I have?
Hank and Steven,
The nursing home where my mother lived until she passed away last month has a dog with an interesting history. His family was killed in the Greensburg tornado, but he survived. He seems very happy, now that he has a place where people love him. But when the fire or tornado siren goes off (small town), he hides under a bed or in a closet for days.
Phantom, how much more you want to steal?
Come on Chicken Sh*ts, give me the magic number!
How much should Person A pay for the pie?
How much should Person B pay for the same pie?
(They are ashamed to admit they want Person A to pay $45.30 and Person B to pay $0.)
(They are even more ashamed to admit they want Person A to pay $55.30 and Person B to receive $10 back for “buying” the same pie!)
OMG, now Walker = Socialist?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Pre, my Mom’s nursing home had a dog too. She was very sweet, but she didnt like it when my dog went to visit Mom. She would kinda growl and bristle up as if to say “Beat it bub. These are MY old folks!”
She was a rescue dog too, so maybe she thought my girl was gonna beat her out of her job. And my girl loved to visit the home because, well, ya know, old people drop a lot of food on the floor!
I think nursing home companion animals are wonderful. This home had a cat too, but it was a problem because some residents were allergic to cats.
“Just why do you care so much what I have?”
We don’t Max.
If your movement is so deep and powerful…..
Why didn’t your side overhaul the taxcode?
Eliminate social security?
Vastly increase the size of the military?
Max, your problem is that you are switching from percentages to dollars in the same equation.
An increase from 5% to 6% is clearly a 1% increase. PERCENTAGE MAX.
Dollars? $1 increase. Compared to the previous tax dollars, that IS 20%. But the PERCENTAGE increase is just 1% – no matter which CON knife you slice it with.
I dont have time for this now. My plane leaves in an hour. So, back on the road.
And knock off with your infantile name calling. It makes you look sicker than you already are!
You want fair taxes, you should be screaming about all those people/corporations that set up shell off shore companies so the rest of their fellow citizens can make up the difference.
That’s a great question Annie Moose at 11:57.
The Conservatives have become the minority. 50% of the country now pays 3% of the income tax. The top 50% pays 97% of the income tax. Those with their hands-out now outnumber those with their hands working and earning income.
The politicians (now on both sides) are spending Government money as fast as they can to buy your votes. The politicians know the Socialists will win in the short-run. In the long-run, they DON’T CARE!
In the long run, the Socialists will unite everyone – with all of us sitting on our collective Marxist a**es at the same time. And when no one works in America anymore, the lights will go out.
And you Socialists, are more then happy to hold your hands out and be bought and paid for by Politicians who promise you everything your lil heart desires. You think money grows on trees or that some people will keep working in order to pay for you.
Good luck with that.
Phantom
Posted May 12, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink
You want fair taxes, you should be screaming about all those people/corporations that set up shell off shore companies so the rest of their fellow citizens can make up the difference.
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You mean like the Clintonistas Dubai investments?
The Square Hole keeps getting deeper, and Chas keeps diggin.
And I keep LMFAO!
(Lil f*ggot in his big jet airplane! And the chicks are free!)
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SquarePeg
Posted May 12, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Max, your problem is that you are switching from percentages to dollars in the same equation.
An increase from 5% to 6% is clearly a 1% increase. PERCENTAGE MAX.
Dollars? $1 increase. Compared to the previous tax dollars, that IS 20%. But the PERCENTAGE increase is just 1% – no matter which CON knife you slice it with.
I dont have time for this now. My plane leaves in an hour. So, back on the road.
And knock off with your infantile name calling. It makes you look sicker than you already are!
“In the long run, the Socialists will unite everyone – with all of us sitting on our collective Marxist a**es at the same time. And when no one works in America anymore, the lights will go out.”
Max,
You give the:
Socialists
Communists
Liberals
Greens
Muslims
Hippies
Leftists
Atheists
Unionists
and anybody I left out. You give way to much credit to the power of these groups. All groups have sub groups. No single leader can unify these groups.
KFG,
Two cats in the one my mom was in. They added the second one just for her, and the damn thing stayed in HER room. Not that the cat had a choice…
Yes, those animals do make a difference. I noticed in the various assisted living places and the nursing home that birds are a big favorite, too. Canaries out the wazoo. :)
Some of the Socialist Nations produce some of the best national economies in the world. And they do it by not working? Max, change your friggin koolade! The guys in the white coats will be lookin for you!
And if Max, the over-anxious capitalist, cannot see the potential income from “green” industries in the very near future, then Max is going to lose a lot of his capitalistic future income possibilities! And some of the rest of us eeeeevil libs will be banking dollars hand over fist!
And, say capital gains tax reduction which has only a minimal affect on the vast majority of citizens.
Really? Over 100 million Americans are invested in equities.
It’s one thing for you liberals to be bickering over how much of MY MONEY to steal, but it is quite another to LIE to justify your points.
BTW, anyone else hear Obama this past week? In an interview he has dropped his definition of wealthy all the way down to “over 100,000 dollars”. That can only mean his advisors are now thinking any tax hikes to bring in the revenue he wants, will have to include the middle class too.
” cannot see the potential income from “green” industries in the very near future”
So Chas, you have money to invest? You must be one of the evil rich people!
Wind generators — Somebody has to engineer them. Somebody has to manufacture them. Somebody has to sell the materials to manufacture them. Somebody has to assemble them. Somebody has to transport those giants. Somebody has to market them. Somebody has to sell them.
Wow! LOTS of $$$$ just in wind generators!
Same thing with hydrogen fuel cells. Electric hybrid cars. All of the GREEN industries are going to produce Billions of dollars of income, not to mention tax revenue!
And Max thinks the libs are not working? What a friggin Joke Max has become! Not thinking going on in that CON brain, for sure!
If Max wanted to secure his financial future, he should be out there investing in all kinds of Green Industry — And then Max could sit on his CON a$$ and watch the $$$$ roll in!
LOL LOL LOL
“some of the rest of us eeeeevil libs will be banking dollars hand over fist”
RFLMAO! If you were an investor, you would know how silly you sound. You can only dream about it.
But then again, if you evil libs WERE capable of making dollars hand over fist – you wouldn’t be crying to take more from the rest of us.
AmWay – I dont have the money to invest, but I can see that the possibilities are wide open for such investment, and it will be very profitable for those who CAN invest in the Green industries.
AmWay, how many people do you see now days making a fortune off of buggy whips? LOL
Buggy whips are all manufactured overseas now.
China I believe. The new market for them is
in novelty stores for people into BDSM.
But I am invested heavily in green industries.
XOM being the biggest. Great returns last quarter!
100 mil. are invested in equities, right, but primarily through their 401k’s and thus no benefit from capital gains tax reduction. They’ll pay their gains at the regular income tax rate.
I heard Sen. Reid is proposing raising the margin requirements on oil speculators. Better book thos xom profits.
“American_Way” shares –
“…The new market for [buggy whips] is
in novelty stores for people into BDSM.”
If you say so.
I bow to your obvious personal expertise.
“Somebody has to manufacture them. Somebody has to sell the materials to manufacture them. Somebody has to assemble them. Somebody has to transport those giants. Somebody has to market them. Somebody has to sell them.”
YEah and dont forget Chas, someday… someone…
will have to decommission those towers, tear them down, and clean up after they are gone.
Very few communties got agreements about the END of the windfarms at the begining. If wind becomes unprofitable or unworkable, the local counties and communties will be left to clean up after them.
And even the few communties who GOT those agreements up front cant be sure the companies and their shell game identities wont obscure who pays.
Just like any love affair, it’s all good in the beginning. It’s the end that no one plans for. And the commercial viability of wind is, as yet, unproven over the long term.
Chas – an additional commetn on wind turbines: Who better than our aircraft industry to build them. Aerodynamics, strong lightweight materials – things they know how to do.
Hank,
Thanks for the link to Dr. Emily.
They could even set up a plant in Western Ks., that should appease Neufield (not).
Monday May 12th, 2008.
Still have not been contacted by anyone yet Chas.
Phantom you are correct on the 401K sheltering from capital gain. But not all Americans work for companies with these programs, so not everyone is benefiting. Remember these 401K’s contain energy stock, so any increased taxes on the oil companies, will hurt these investors as well.
But regarding direct equity ownership:
” Equity ownership in America has grown over the past two decades, and now half of all U.S. households and one in three individuals own equities. Nearly 57 million U.S. households own stocks directly or through mutual funds, according to a survey by the Investment Company Institute (ICI) and the Securities Industry Association (SIA).”
ksfarmgrrl, there are some amazing advances being made in wind turbine technology. The old wind mill is basically inefficient. Some of the newer ones, both vertical and horizontal, have much better numbers, operate at lower wind speeds and take up much less space. Just some of the vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQPQkhDE8eY&feature=related
Problem is getting the financial backing to replace the wind mills, or use newer tech instead. That’s going to take some major backing because of the foothold wind mills already have. Kind of like the hold coal plants held for so long and are now bucking their eventual deaths.
No phantom. They just want to dump their waste out here and use up the water.
Jobs and money belong in eastern kansas, while pollution and dirty industry belong out here.
Just ask anyone in Topeka… Or Ingalls…
Chas
Posted May 12, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink
Some of the Socialist Nations produce some of the best national economies in the world. And they do it by not working? Max, change your friggin koolade! The guys in the white coats will be lookin for you!
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Name one country Chas.
Then tell me how great is that country’s:
Inflation Rate
Unemployment Rate
Interest Rate
Export/Import Ratio
Average Income
Average Tax Rate
Average cost of living
Productivity Rate
Defense Budget as % of GDP
Phantom
Posted May 12, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
I heard Sen. Reid is proposing raising the margin requirements on oil speculators. Better book thos xom profits.
Watching developments closely Phantom. Anyone invested in energy should be following, as well as anyone interested in our environment.
If government increases the cost of doing business, the tax implications, shareholders will still demand and expect good returns. Easiest cut for XOM would be to cut the billions they spend on exploration (more than profits in North America) and development of new sources of energy.
In the long run, I’m thinking XOM should get out of the PR game trying to look green. Slow exploration and research and watch demand continue to push up the price per gallon.
But just this one company spends billions on research into new energy sources. Go ahead and tax them some more. Consumers will pay at the pump.
Chas
Posted May 12, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
AmWay – I dont have the money to invest, but I can see that the possibilities are wide open for such investment, and it will be very profitable for those who CAN invest in the Green industries.
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Name one company Chas.
Then tell me how great is their:
Stock Price, Current and 52 week high/low
Dividends/share
P/E Ratio
ROI
Net Income
Revenue
Nathan, Chas Lied about turning you in.
He’s pathological.
And his math skills suck too.
But he is entertaining.
DDBK sure plays a mean pinball!
And all of you prematurely gloating on your new democratic government ending the Bush tax cuts on capital gains -
Take a look at your parents and grandparents portfolio’s (if they will let you).
See an investments subject to capital gains? It likely you will, more seniors own stock than young people.
But at least they have their social security..a..
Dear Steven,
Your welcome!
She is a very gracious lady and has a soft spot in her heart for rescues!
Hank
“Nathan, Chas Lied about turning you in.”
OMG Max! Say it ain’t so! Ch-Chas, a, a liar.
Did you REALLY use the “L” word?
Here I have been passing the hat at work to veterans to collect money for Nathan’s defense fund.
Hank told me – cash only. So now what do I do with all this cash?
Max: Most western democracies have a greater social attitude than the US but are hardly socialist states. Mostly they are European, especially Nordics states, along with New Zealand, Australia, Canada and Japan. They’d be amused if not annoyed with the term “socialalist” describing their governance.They are all republics or kingdoms with a Parliament, not subservient citizens of undemocratic states. Look up the international placements for standards of living, education, health, longevity, etc. I have and you’d be surprised. When I see the words liberal, communist or socialist bandied about, it makes me think some posters can’t tell the difference between Karl Marx and Groucho Marx. Your benchmarks to determine a livestyle or quality of life, are not universally accepted.
Hey Predestined,
I lost a Beardie a few years ago that was a wonderful therapy dog.
We had adopted one of the local nursing homes (or rather, they adopted us!)
We went out regularly and visited the elderly people there. We brought a little happiness to them and they brought a lot of joy to us!
Ok sursum, I’ll bite.
What are your favorite benchmarks to measure the “best economy”?
Yup AmWay. Chas lied.
Several times.
He said he’d no longer read my posts. He did. Several times.
He said he’d no longer reply to my posts. He did.
Several times.
He said he’d report Nathan. He didn’t. He lied.
He said he had a typo bolding the name McCleur in that obiturary. He lied.
If he’d just admit to being human and sometimes being wrong, then we wouldn’t have so much fun with him.
For example, the math game he played yesterday AND today.
I think he believes his own BS.
The Effects of Stroke
Different sides of the brain deal with different areas of human intellectual functioning. Generally speaking, brain damage due to a stroke causes the kinds of problems noted below. However, it is important to note that brain injury in left-handed individuals results in effects that are exactly the opposite of those explained below.
Left Brain Injury (right-sided weakness (hemiplegia) )
Those with left brain injury and a paralyzed right side are more likely to have problems with speech and language. Apart from language problems, these individuals tend to be cautious, hesitant, anxious and disorganized when faced with an unfamiliar problem. Many of those with right hemiplegia need frequent assurance that they are doing okay, with lots of immediate positive feedback. Breaking tasks down into steps and practicing often will aid learning.
Right brain injury (left hemiplegia)
People often assume that if a stroke has not affected language and speech, a stroke survivor is not impaired. This is not true! Left hemiplegia may result in problems with spatial-perceptual tasks – the ability to judge distance, size, position, rate of movement, form and how parts relate to wholes. People with severe spatial-perceptual deficits may have more trouble with self-care than those with equally severe language deficits. They may not be able to read a paper – not because they can’t read, but because they lose their place on the page. They tend to have a behavioural style that is too quick and impulsive, and behave in a way that makes overestimating their abilities easy. They are often unaware of their deficits, and may think themselves capable of tasks they are not-driving for instance, which even with minor spatial-perceptual disabilities can be dangerous.
Depression
Depression resulting from a stroke is one of the most difficult factors for a spouse and family to deal with. A certain amount of crying, though upsetting to the family, may be a natural and normal emotional response to the stroke survivor’s greatly changed circumstances. However, chemical changes caused by stroke may result in deeper depression and apathy, with the survivor appearing passive and detached, a state that will usually improve with time.
Emotional Lability
Often, excessive crying seems to have little relationship to sadness or what is happening around the survivor. This loss of emotional control due to brain injury is called emotional lability. Someone who is emotionally labile may not be sad when crying, happy when laughing, or angry when appearing hostile. If possible, interrupting the emotional behaviour of such a person (by clapping hands or snapping fingers) is usually a good idea, saving them embarrassment and fatigue.
Change in Personality
Changes in personality and emotional response are common after a stroke. The type, size and location of a stroke, as well as the individual’s previous personality all have a bearing on what these changes will be. The stroke survivor may seem a different person, showing feelings of anger, caution or anxiety that are completely out of character. The affected individual may also feel this-and feel less of a person.
Memory Deficits
Almost any brain injury, however slight, may cause memory problems, contributing to language, spatial-perceptual and retention span difficulties. For most stroke survivors, remembering old information (from before the stroke) remains easy, while new learning is difficult.
Generalization
Some stroke survivors are capable of learning new information, but are unable to apply that learning to other similar situations (generalization). For instance, they may make safe transfers to and from a wheelchair while in the hospital, but are unable to once at home. They may become very sensitive to and often fearful of changes in their environment, and will thus benefit from, and be comforted by, an effectively established routine.
Sensory deprivation and over-stimulation
Many recent stroke survivors are overwhelmed by too much stimulation. When visiting, go singly or in small, quiet groups, and speak one at a time.
Conversely, some stroke survivors may have diminished sensations of touch, pressure, sight or pain, causing them to suffer a constant level of sensory deprivation, leading to psychological stress. The quiet of night may compound this-a radio playing softly or a soft light left on may help.
Quality Control
Even minor brain damage affects a memory related area of behaviour called quality control. This refers to how well individuals check and control their own behaviour. A previously fastidious person may fail to bathe or zip his fly, or a formerly polite person may become rude and profane.
Please be polite when posting and remember some have mental and emotional problems as well as the physcial problems associated with the Cap Lock Syndrome. Be kind to one another.
Dear AmWay,
Put the cash in a plain envelope and I’ll tell you where to meet men later.
Say BlogMonitor,
Does a stroke cause TYPING IN ALL CAPS?
“Put the cash in a plain envelope and I’ll tell you where to meet men later.”
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psssssttt…. Hank, dont most folks know republican men meet in airport restrooms?
I can’t make the meet-up, so maybe I will just contribute to the beer fund. Nothing light. Real beer. The kind that adds to greenhouse emmissions.
Chas, SquarePeg–
I’m starting to think that Max is a few fries short of a happy meal.
He asks how much “pies” should cost?
I keep asking him to show me the thriving modern country without progressive taxation.
Maybe we shouldn’t bother to answer his questions until he answers ours.
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Regular, as we all know, is a total lost cause. Here’s a guy who’s entire income rests on the largesse of the American taxpayer, and he defends to the death Paris Hilton’s tax break.
There is truly no fixing stupid.
The only response he is worthy of is ridicule.
Correction = not who’s but whose
Never mind BlogEditor. I see you mentioned Cap Lock Syndrome.
That explains a lot.
Sweden is a Socialist State — Norway is a Socialist State — Denmark is a Socialist State –
England is a Socialist State — France is a Socialist State — Germany is a Socialist State — Spain is a Socialist State — Italy is a Socialist State — Greece is a Socialist State –Japan is a Socialist State — Israel is a Socialist State!!
They all hold their own FREE elections — They have their own Parliaments; or Congresses; or Kinessets or whatever they call them in their countries…
The PEOPLE in those countries WORK for a living… And they dont all make the same income either… And when they get old, and they retire, their countries take care of them… They have good education for their people… And they dont have to worry about going bankrupt if they suffer a catastorophic illness…
Now, wherever you are getting your stupid garbage about Socialist countries, is just flat out lying to you…
Sometimes, Max… SOMETIMES… even when it pains me to do so… I just HAVE to answer your Bull Shit…. If for no other reason, than to let others reading this Blog, that not everybody who reads the Eagle is as big of an SOB LIAR as YOU and your fellow Goons!!
Thats right Blog readers… Max and his kind are not big in numbers… just loud of mouth, and repetitive of keyboard… They believe if they tell their LIES often enough, that even THEY might believe them!!
Remember folks… it is the Right Wingers who come from the RED States… :-)
Damn, I left off Canada, and Iceland!! LOL
Let me tell you something, if you have to use two or more different ID’s to post on the same Anonymous board, then there is something wrong with YOU. And that goes for everyone who does that.
If you’re such a weenie that you can’t defend your own posts without having to make some name up to defend you, then there is something wrong with your thinking.
YOU can’t answer the question Capn, or any other Lib.
Chas can’t point to a single Socialist country as he bragged about above, that has a more thriving economy then ours.
You want progressive taxes?
Karl Marx wanted Progressive taxes too!
http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/25779.shtml
About 159 years ago someone named Karl Marx sat down to put his dream to words; his dream of a communist state that was to become a worker’s paradise. Somehow it didn’t work out all that well, but it certainly wasn’t for a lack of effort. Tens of millions of people died in Russia, China and elsewhere to show what an incredibly bad idea Marx had.
It’s ironic to me that the countries who suffered under the rule of Marx’ worker’s paradise have largely rejected so many of the tenants set forth in his Communist Manifesto, while the one country that held communism at bay for over 70 years and eventually destroyed it still embraces many of those ideas.
We’ve gone through this before, but once again (hey, there might be new Nuze readers!) let me tell you of just two of the essential elements of a communist society as set forth in Marx’s work:
1. A progressive graduated income tax.
2. Government education of the children.
Countries across Europe, especially former communist countries, are moving from a progressive income tax to either consumption taxes or a flat tax. Ever heard of the Irish Miracle? And across Europe more and more people are being allowed the freedom to choose where their children shall be educated. They choose the school, the tax money follows. And yes, more and more this is including private schools.
LOL Farm Girl!
I had no idea what you were getting at until I read my post. men=me
Of course I know where to meet men! Any democrat gathering is a great place to meet men and you don’t have to sneak around in restrooms!
I’m currently setting up a 501 for a charity, I may go ahead and start one for my boy’s defence fund!
I’ll be the administer for a small fee!
See, Max, you just proved your already well known ignorance… I havent said ONE WORD about Karl Marx, and his Manifesto… And thats because I am talking about Socialist States… NOT Communist States!! Are you that STUPID that you continue to think they are the same thing?? LOLOL What a JOKE you are Max… And with a name like Grobnik, one would think you would know better!!
Shame on you Max… perpetrating LIES!!
BTW, Max, I believe Japan is doing pretty earned good economically… not to mention Sweden, and England, and Germany, and France… South Africa isnt even doing too bad, since they got rid of that evil stinking Apartheid system!!
Can’t do it, can you Chas?
Name one country Chas.
Then tell me how great is that country’s:
Inflation Rate
Unemployment Rate
Interest Rate
Export/Import Ratio
Average Income
Average Tax Rate
Average cost of living
Productivity Rate
Defense Budget as % of GDP
Max — get out a European History book… European nations have had private education for centuries!!
Max, you call OUR economy good?? Another joke!!
Oh, what Chas “believes” unsupported by any facts, no source documents, we are ALL TO BELIEVE TOO!
BS
Baby-hating sophomore Roderick King, a student senate leader at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, told pro-life display supporters they have no right to express their opinion on the volatile issue of abortion, while leading a gang of vandals in ripping up their authorized pro-life display of white crosses. After a spineless university security guard appeared, Mr. King continued ranting and ripping up crosses, although caught on video.
The spineless Student Government Association declined to take any action to protect academic freedom or the First Amendment.
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Pro-lifers have again found aborted late-term babies, medical records, and biohazard waste illegally dumped in another Michigan abortion mill’s garbage bin. Six dead babies of 16 to 20 weeks gestation were discovered April 12 in a garbage bin outside the Women’s Advisory abortion mill in Livonia, MI, owned by abortionist quack Reginald Sharpe, who has received a warning, which may be more than previous Michigan abortionist quack Alberto Holdari got for dumping babies, medical records, and waste in a garbage bin.
See the YouTube video if you have a strong stomach for viewing mangled feet, legs, skulls, and eyes retrieved from garbage, at video page
youtube.com/watch?v=aIehOHSG1ZI
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46% of all health insurance plans in the USofA cover elective abortions. Check your medical policy. Is part of your monthly medical premium paying for mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading babies that end up in garbage bins or incinerators? Does your employer know how you feel about such coverage?
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Canadian abortionist quack Henry Morgentaler, the one man most responsible for unrestricted, taxpayer-funded, rampant abortions in Canada, appears to have, in order to further his abortion agenda in the past, used threats of blackmail involving the release of records of mistresses and relatives of elected officials who committed abortions. The proof is in his unearthed threatening letter of April 28, 1973 letter to Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.
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The tiny dead body of a newborn girl, likely born alive and murdered, was found Friday night wrapped in bloody towels and clothes in a dryer in the laundry room of the Victory Home rehab center in San Antonio, TX. Policy prohibits pregnant women from living in the facility, which treats boozers and junkies.
Ya know Max, it doesnt take LINKS to know what is or isnt true… Just look around you, for God’s sake… Everywhere you go, and everything you do is benefited in some way through Tax Dollars, or government subsidies… Even for YOU Max, some tax payer more wealthy than you — helps pay for the roads you drive on… for the rail transportation to deliver your goods and products, and food… for the medical knowledge of your family doctor… for Everything, EXCEPT for the Church you attend!! Hallelujah for that small favor!!
Max, you cant make your morning coffee without tax dollars at work… You cant wash your clothes without tax dollars at work… And Max, MANY of those tax dollars come from people a LOT wealthier then YOU will ever be…
But, MAX, the Stupid, can only see those things that HIS tax dollars support for those who are poorer than Max… Do you think, maybe, Max, that somebody wealthier than YOU is bitching about all the tax dollars YOU are using, and taking from HIS pocket, they way you bitch about those less fortunate than you??
I would bet the answer is: YES!!
Before you go flaming much more, maybe you better think about the benefits YOU get from tax dollars from the wealthy-er than YOU crowd!! :-)
“Shame on you Max… perpetrating LIES!!”
Hey Chas, in your above posts, were those intentional CAPS, or unintentional.
Were you using the CAP LOCK feature to emphasize a point, or was it scattered brain waves?
Not trying to be mean, but one time you unintentionally CAP LOCKED someone’s personal information, I believe, but said that was UNintentional.
Thanx
Oh, Max, if its good enough for YOU to spout off all day without any facts… Well, I guess its good enough for ME to spout off occasionally about what ANYbody who can READ, or HEAR, or SEE already knows, without the need for some damn link….
Max LIES >>>>
“He said he had a typo bolding the name McCleur in that obiturary. He lied.”
Max, I didnt BOLD anything… The name that ended up in bold was NOT McCleur — it was McClure… And it was not related to the blog’s own James McCluer… Everybody knows that already… Why dont you stick it where the sun dont shine, and forget about your constant LIE about the subject!! It is WAY past outdated!! LOL like YOU Max… LOL
Emphasis AmWay I used one hand to make sure.
AmWay spins >>>>
“Not trying to be mean, but one time you unintentionally CAP LOCKED someone’s personal information, I believe, but said that was UNintentional.”
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I have NEVER posted anybody’s personal information on this Blog… NEVER This is not the place for posting personal information, as James will be most happy to tell you!
So, why dont YOU put it where the sun dont shine along with Max?? eh??
BTW, Amway — A published Obit. is not personal information. It is published in a quite public newspaper. Get it??
Hey Max,
Have you noticed the increased attention a flat tax is getting in Europe? Even a couple of those socialist countries Chas mentioned are thinking about converting to a flat tax – everyone pays the same rate.
Very popular in eastern Europe, but France, Germany, and England are considering it.
No longer the leader in political change, I’m sure the USA will follow the flat tax movement and European lead eventually.
Chas, if the sales tax rises from 5% to 6%, what is the percentage tax increase?
HLP posted May 12, 2008 at 7:27 am
“… the Boston Herald is not one of the great bastions of conservative thought.”
The Boston Herald is conservative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Herald
“… the Herald is noted for… its conservative editorial page and news columnists.”
And their “opinion editorial” is wrong.
But Hank Price seems to prefer a vague, inaccurate right-wing op-ed over peer-reviewed science.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/special/polar%5Fbears/
“Newly-released USGS information from 9 recent studies presents relationships of polar bears to present and future sea ice environments.”
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/special/polar_bears/docs/executive_summary.pdf
“The overall conclusion of the USGS research effort is:
Projected changes in future sea ice conditions, if realized, will result in loss of approximately 2/3 of the world’s current polar bear population by the mid 21st century.
Because the observed trajectory of Arctic sea ice decline appears to be underestimated by currently available models, this assessment of future polar bear status may be conservative.”
‘Biologists Honored for Rapid-Response Investigations of the Impacts of Future Sea-Ice Change on Polar Bears’
http://soundwaves.usgs.gov/2008/01/awards.html
“BTW, Amway — A published Obit. is not personal information. It is published in a quite public newspaper. Get it??”
If you say so Chas. Sorry but I swore I saw a post by you about the CAPS being a result of your stroke, and not intentional.
FYI
Unemployment rate for the “socialist” countries listed above:
Sweden 6.10
Norway 2.10
Denmark 1.90
England 5.30
France 7.50
Germany 8.40
Spain 8.30
Italy 6.10
Greece 8.30
Japan 3.80
European Union (collectiely 7.10)
US (latest) 5.30
1% Max — just 1% — PERCENT MAX
Dear Cosmos,
The earth is currently cooling down. Wrap you mind around it!
The polar bears will do just fine.
And while many aspects of some of the countries listed above are socialized, I am not sure they would consider themselves socialist. Perhaps. Perhaps not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Wrong Chas.
Going from a 5% tax to a 6% tax is a 20% increase in the tax.
AmWay, I did know many European countries are going to a flat tax, usually a consumption tax.
Just waiting for Chas to figure that out. Course, hard to say how he defined “socialist” country!
For such a hard working person?
“Max” and others sure seem to have plenty of screen time.
If you earn 10,000/yr and pay 5% tax, then you pay $500 in taxes.
If you earn 10,000/yr and the tax goes up from 5% to 6%, then your tax is now $600.
That is a $100 increase from your previous tax of $500 OR
wait for it…
get out your bean counter…
A 20% increase in your taxes!
FYI
Inflation rate for the “socialist” countries listed above:
Sweden 2.0
Norway 0.4
Denmark 1.50
England 2.4
France 1.50
Germany 2.0
Spain 2.4
Italy 1.70
Greece 2.6
Japan 0
Isreal 0.4
European Union (collectiely 1.8)
US (latest) 2.7
Flat tax aint gonna happen.
Sorry Neal Boortz and other rich people.
You have more than your fair share of America. It is incumbent upon you to pay for it. If that is not agreeable with you? Move.
So Chas, you admit you are a Socialist?
Dear Hank Price,
The current “cooling” is just a short-term natural fluctuation.
Man-made global warming is still occurring.
Are you smart enough to wrap your mind around the graphs here?
‘Uncertainty, noise and the art of model-data comparison’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison
So BlueJay,
Person A and Person B each go to the Government Benefit store and buy a pie.
Person A pays $35.30 for the pie.
Person B pays $10.00 for the very same pie.
How much more should Person A pay for his pie? How much less should Person B pay for his pie?
(Person A is married with an income of $125,000.
They pay $19,463 in taxes or 15.6% of their income in taxes.
Person B is married with an income of $60,000. They pay $5,513 in taxes or 9.2% of their income in taxes.)
Dear Cosmos,
Congradulations! You admit the earth is currently colling down!
So tell me my friend, just how does this current cooling trend fit in with the IPCC computer model predictions?
LOL
Hank, the NOISE applies just to cooling.
None of the heating can be considered to be NOISE.
(That wouldn’t fit the model.)
“The debate is over.”
Al Gore.
DON’T DARE QUESTION AL GORE!!!
THE DEBATE IS OVER!!!
SHUT-UP ABOUT IT ALREADY!!!
Parkay…hoping for more dumpster babies every day since 1973.
Can’t get enough dead babies Pmom?
Since the Goracle and others seem to believe in carbon offsets here’s where you can do your part for nothing!
FreeCarbonOffsets.com
I’ve got my certificate framed and I really feel good about myself!
Looks like our inflation rate is higher thaan any of the Countries I listed, Max… And, oh, Max, you DID ask for a percentage increase, and not a Dollar amount… Please try to keep up with your own fiasco…
But, sorry Max, anybody can plainly see that an increase from 5% to 6% is a 1% increase… Now, go sit on it and spin, spin, spin!!! No wonder you are so friggin dizzy all the time!!
I don’t want unwanted babies to be born period.
That’s why I support sex education, birth control access and safe, legal and rare abortions.
Now ask Parkay why he wants more unwanted babies.
Ask him why he’s dumpster diving to find body parts…wasn’t it him that was trying to BUY baby parts? Is that so that he can throw them in a dumpster and profess to find them?
Trust me when I say this..it wouldn’t be beyond him.
On income of $10,000/year, If my taxes increases from 5% to 6% — and of 5% and 6% are tax percentages of my INCOME… Then the percentage of my Income that is increased by the tax increase is 1% (or, $100)
$100 = 1% increase of my income for the tax increase… The Tax percentage is on the INCOME Max… NOT on the Tax!! C’mon, idiot, use the brain God gave you!!
Let’s see – the Flat Tax conservatives want to effectively raise taxes for the poor, the working poor and the middle class while simultaneously giving massive tax cuts for the upper class and rich people.
That sounds like a good recipe for an economic policy.
Or a class warfare revolution.
Let’s say we do away with Income Tax, and go to a consumption tax.
Max has an income of $100,000 for the year. Max has consumption taxes, lets say, of 10% on goods and services(instead of an income tax table) —
Let’s say Max spends ohhh, $40,000 on goods and services, and spends $4,000 on taxes…
Lets say Max’s not so hard working cousin, Jax, only makes $40,000… And just for grins, let’s say Jax’s spending on goods and services is also 40% ($1,600)
On the consumption tax, Jax would only pay in $160 in taxes…
Max is still going to pay more taxes than his lazier cousin, Jax. And Max will still be arm flailing and bitching cause he wont think its fair!
That sound about right, Max??
Thanks LJ for interjecting some Facts into the “great debate” today.
Unemployment and Inflation are certainly two key indicators to look at, though there are others.
Or you just have an Opinion.
Just my opinion.
“The health and welfare of Missourians is worth more than Planned Parenthood’s bottom line. The court was right to determine that the law was not designed to give clinics that dispense RU-486 a pass when it comes to safety regulations that all medical facilities must follow.”
. . . Alliance Defense Fund Legal Counsel Dale Schowengerdt, on the ruling favoring safety restrictions for RU-486 abortion mills like that of Planned Parenthood in Missouri, necessary because RU-486 abortions are 10 times more dangerous to mothers than first-trimester surgical abortions, and because 10% of RU-486 abortions require follow-up surgical abortions
The ‘fair tax’, not the flat tax would be fair for everyone. It would do away with the greatest joke on the poor people, the Fica and Medicare tax.
It would reduce the bleed of jobs overseas and be a boost to the econonmy.
Big difference in the fair and the flat tax!
Chas,
If I steal $500 from you in 2006, the I steal $600 from you in 2007, what percentage increase did I steal from you?
Oh Chas,
Your example up above is WRONG.
Jax, if he spent 40% of his income of $40,000, then he would spend $16,000, not $1,600.
And his tax would be $1,600.
Dear Chas,
Check your figures, you’re too stupid to discuss taxes.
Person A pays $35.30 for the pie.
Person B pays $10.00 for the very same pie.
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Oh Wow, that sounds like Person A bought their pie at Spears, and Person B bought their pie at WalMart!! LOL
PS, how did you know I have a cousin Jax?
Max,
You’re debating an idiot.
Nope Chas. It’s the exact same Government pie.
I know Hank, but I’m taking over while Nathan is at work.
You are right Max… My decimal point floated on me… Yes, Jax would have a tax of $1600… I knew that $1600 was in there somewhere…
However, based on the IRS tax table, which way would Max come out better, percentage wise, that Jax?
You see, it’s important that the cheeeldren, don’t read Chas’ posts and develop poor math skills.
Gee Hank, that all you are good for?? Personal attacks??? How nice of you…
What do you find wrong with my little “What If” eh??
Hank, you think there’s a chance in Hades of passing either the Fair or a Flat tax?
I don’t see it.
Either would be an improvement over what we have today, not so confident of the Fair Tax though.
I see a few problems with the Fair tax.
1. The Constitution change required is a huge obstacle.
2. There appears to be some paperwork involved that makes this appear complicated the way I read their web site.
3. It appears it may be more Progressive then what we have now!
I could repost later Max’s Modified Flat tax, if anyone is interested.
Remember Max, you still need to figure in your Property Tax, and your Vehicle Tax… Give the large difference in incomes, Jax wont even come close to you on either of those…
I think the biggest obstacle to the consumption tax, in place of the current Income Tax, would actually be the Constitutional Amendment process.
I agree with you on that Max.
Actually Chas, your consumption tax example isn’t too bad. (After your correction)
Did you miss Max’s Modified Tax Plan? Very similar results – it’s still progressive. And no one with income under $25,000 pays any tax.
I’ll have to dig it up later.
Knock it off Chas!
If we agree too much, THE WORLD WILL END!
Well, using my example, Max still pays more than DOUBLE what cousin Jax pays!! Since Jax is above $25,000
Ok, back to your 5:12 post Chas, I KNEW that would come up.
All the other taxes need to be reviewed as well! (You forgot Social Security/Medicare – two biggies!)
I think we start with a Federal Tax solution, and work on one at a time. Move down to State next.
SS/Medicare after that.
Property/Sales/State taxes are up to the States.
You know how well Comprehensive Government solutions work. Just look at the Comprehensive Immigration Plan. SNAFU!
Barr is running for President as a Libertarian
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/401305.html
What will the impact be?
I’m OK with your example Chas.
Max has 2.5 times more income then Jax, and pays 2.5 times more tax.
($100,000 vs $40,000 income)
($4,000 vs $1,600 tax)
Actually, I think Boortz’s tax percentage is a lot higher than the 10% that I used in the example.
So, how much you gonna howl Max, about all of those folks not paying anything, that are under your $25,000 figure?? Clue: There are a LOT of folks that dont make $25,000 Max!!
And, in addition, if you dont tax those under $25,000, arent you doing the same thing that the EIC does now… you know, Max, that thing you bitch and moan about all the time??
Due to some of the changes in EIC in recent years, my wife and I have actually been eligible to get the EIC… BUT, I refuse to do it, because I dont have kids at home or in college anymore… And I firmly believe that the EIC should be strictly limited to those with at LEAST 2 kids at home, or in college(without their own source of income).
In Re: to my 5:12 post — Additionally, if a flat tax CUTS taxes by a significant amount aat the Federal level, that will also reduce Federal programs funded at the State levels. The States will want funding for those programs, and will need to RAISE State income tax, to recover their losses… Now, IF that happens, how much REAL difference will the flat tax actually make?
I dont have the answer, but I think that needs to be included in whatever kind of Solution is reached.
I do NOT disagree that some kind of changes need to be made in Tax Reform at Federal levels (and also at ALL levels).
Max changed the terms. I said post one modern first world country that doesn’t have progressive taxation, and he comes back with “show me one other country doing as well as we are.”
Well . . . that’s much harder to prove one way or the other. A big list of criteria there.
Bottom line is that Max can’t do it because there aren’t any.
As far as AmWay’s “look at the attention a flat tax is getting in Europe.” Yeah, just look at it.
Any countries actually use a flat tax?
Uh, that’d be “no.”
BTW, you know how the CONs always say that “the richest 1 percent pay 97 percent of the taxes” or some other such rubbish?
It would hardly change at all under a flat tax.
The reason that the rich pay so much income tax is because it is a tax on income. When you’re filthy, stinking rich, you pay a helluva lot of taxes.
The only way to reduce your income tax load is to make less money, whether you use a progressive system or a flat tax.
“HLP
Posted May 12, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink
Dear Cosmos,
The earth is currently cooling down. Wrap you mind around it!”
Not according to this:
http://www.wunderground.com/education/2007winter.asp
Earth just experienced its warmest Northern Hemisphere winter on record, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.
But it does explain why so many un-rich CONs are CONs.
Inability to understand simple math, i.e., dumb as a box of hammers.
“The ‘fair tax’, not the flat tax would be fair for everyone.”
If everyone pays the same, it is a flat tax and represents a massive tax cut for the upper class and the rich.
If it is a “fair tax” based on income, it is a progressive income tax. Given that we already have a progressive income tax, the only remaining question is a matter of percentages.
Thanks, Ben.
You just helped prove my point —–> box of hammers.
Your 5:02 post just about says it all CapN!!
Ooops that would be 6:02 post!! :-D
Ben: It appears you’re a year behind on your stats.
Earth just experienced its warmest Northern Hemisphere winter on record, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center. The 3-month Northern Hemisphere winter period December 2006 through February 2007.
Good point, WSC.
The CONS make it out that being poor is some kind of a great deal. The editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, the biggest shills for wealth we’ve got, actually called poor people “lucky duckies” because they don’t pay taxes.
Funny, nobody ever chooses to trade places with them.
Outlander–
You have newer stats? Let’s see ‘em.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/feb/global.html
# Based on preliminary data, the globally averaged combined land and sea surface temperature was the fifteenth warmest on record for February, the sixteenth warmest for boreal winter (December-February), and the January-February year-to-date period ranked twenty-second warmest.
# The presence of a strong La Niña contributed to a global average temperature that was the coolest since the La Niña episode of 2000-2001.
Interesting.
However, the cooling effects of a La Nina are well-known.
So it doesn’t really refute the Catastrophic Global Warming model, does it.
“Senator John McCain called for a mandatory limit on greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.”
Oh, Gawd… what are the Deniers going to do now?
Valid point outlander. 2008 is off to a warm start too after a brief respite over the winter:
March 2008 was the 2nd warmest March for the the globe on record, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center.
So, with what should be substantial cooling effects (other than anthropogenic CO2) we are barely shy of setting another record for March:
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/
As for winter 2007-2008:
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
You are correct – the winter was not record warm but was still much warmer than normal.
La nina should be cooler than normal – what we are seeing is that even a la nina winter is warmer than normal – according to outlander!
An interesting graph here:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=938&tstamp=200805
Figure 1. Cumulative tornado activity in the U.S. through May 11, compared to average. This year’s 905 tornadoes match the total usually seen by late July. Image credit: NOAA Storm Prediction Center.
MAX’s MODIFIED FLAT TAX PLAN, would have a flat rate of 20% on ALL income above $25,000 per person who earns income.
No more deductions, except for the $25,000 deduction per individual and IRA/401k/Keough deductions for self-employed. The $25,000 amount would need to be indexed to inflation and changed every year, but the 20% rate should stay the same.
Gone is the mortgage interest deduction.
Gone is tax exempt interest (eg. Municipal bonds AND THIS IS WHERE THE RICH SHELTER THEIR INCOME TODAY!)
Gone is the itemized deduction.
Gone is the Unearned Income Credit.
Gone is the Child and Child care Credits.
Gone is the Cow/Calf credit, etc….
Doesn’t matter whether you are married, single, divorced, living by yourself or with 10 people. What business is it of government what your status is? Why should your marital or sexual status determine your tax rate? (Being gay or straight, married or single shouldn’t matter to the government!)
All the rich living off of tax free municipal investments will now have this income taxed.
Social Security? It’s already been taxed, so all Social Security income should be exempt from taxes the 2nd time.
And since Social Security is going to be Means Tested, benefits will be reduced by those who have a lot of assets and have saved a lot of money on their own too. And since we will need to phase out Social Security for some, we need to encourage Private Savings, so 401k/IRA/Keough deductions would still be allowed. (This defers the tax. This is not a tax exemption. The tax will be paid later on when the money is taken out.)
That’s it. Simple. Flat, yet allows for the first $25,000 earned to be tax free, and that deduction per individual filer who is age 18 and older, makes this tax less regressive then just a flat tax.
Welfare for the very poor will continue. No one starves in this country (far from it most are obese) and no one will starve in the future.
Your tax return is 1 page, we can cut back the IRS by 75%. They will still audit self-employed and businesses.
And States, if they want to follow this approach have a very easy way to modify their tax process. Kansas for example, might determine the state income tax should be 50% of the Federal tax. A one page KS form (taking your Federal tax X 50%) and attached to your one-page Federal form would be all that KS would need. California or New York, likely would want more tax. They could set their state tax rate at say 75% of the Federal tax, and use the simple 2-page process that Kansas could use.
Examples of Max’s Flat Tax (all assume no IRA/401k/Keough deductions for simplicity):
If I earn:
$25,000 or less, I pay $0 tax. Effective tax rate is 0%.
$30,000, I pay (30,000 – 25,000 * .2) $1,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 3.3%.
$40,000, I pay (40,000 – 25,000 * .2) $3,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 7.5%.
$50,000, I pay (50,000 – 25,000 * .2) $5,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 10%.
$75,000, I pay $10,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 13.3%.
$100,000, I pay $15,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 15%.
$150,000, I pay $25,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 16.6%.
$250,000, I pay $45,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 18%.
$500,000, I pay $95,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 19%.
$1,000,000, I pay $195,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 19.5%.
$10,000,000, I pay $1,995,000 in taxes. Effective tax rate is 19.55%.
NOTE: This is a modified flat tax. Note the PROGRESSION in Effective Tax rates as your income rises!
Also note, the rich with tax shelters will be paying taxes on all income (except Social Security which was already taxed). No more tax shelters!
Note also that two people living together (man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, married/single) can each earn up to $25,000 without paying ANY tax. Bob and Tom live together. Bob makes $23,000 and Tom earns $24,000. Neither pays any tax!
And SO Max, what would the revenues from your “fair tax” proposal be and how would that impact the deficit?
When would your program pay down the debt and restore fiscal responsibility?
And, SO Max, if you propose cutting spending, what would you cut and what would each cut yield?
And Chas, with My Plan,
Max earning $100,000 pays $15,000 in taxes. (7.5%)
Jax earning $40,000 pays 3,000 in taxes. (15%)
Max pays 5 times more taxes while earning 2.5 times more income.
The EIC is gone though. So Max will pay $15,000 for that pie, and Jax will pay $3,000 for that pie. Dax earning $25,000 or less will pay $0.
But, with the EIC gone, Dax will not get money back which he did NOT pay in. In other words, Dax get’s a free pie, but doesn’t get money back for getting a free pie.
Can you live with THAT?
Believe it or not Clark, I don’t have ALL the answers.
Currently:
It might interest some to know that according to the IRS, the effective tax rates as of 2005 are as follows:
Top % Tax Rate
1%………..23.13%
5%………..20.78%
10%……….18.84%
25%……….15.86%
50%……….13.84%
Bottom 50%….2.98%
OVERALL……12.45%
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05in05tr.xls
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05in06tr.xls
I’d need access to detailed IRS stats to calculate the overall bottom line for my plan.
Currently, the avg overall is 12.45% of income for all tax filers. I estimate that overall tax collections would Increase, as deductions for the Rich are eliminated.
You may panic that I’m cutting taxes on the rich from 23.13% or 20.78%, etc…BUT you also must factor in the elimination of DEDUCTIONS from Max’s Plan which would make John Kerry and his wife, for example, pay taxes on $500,000 in tax-free municipal bond income every year!
(As well as the elimination of other BS deductions for the rich)
As for your spending question Clark, I’d slash 10% across the board To Start.
Remember, I’ve posted stats before showing that the Federal budget has NEVER been cut.
“A” starting point then, is the Income Tax.
IF you want to see the impact of the Max Tax on you, take your income (just you, not your spouse) and subtract $25,000. Take the result and multiply by 20%. Compare that to your Taxes paid to the Feds on your last tax return.
If you are married, then do the math twice for you and your spouse, add the tax together, and compare to your 2007 return.
See how EASY that is to calculate your taxes under the Max Plan! Takes a couple of minutes and your tax return is the size of a post card.
The State tax could be as easy by taking X% of the Federal Tax.
Too easy. Too simple. Will NEVER happen!
Anything Government touches is AFU!
Max’s Modified Flat Tax takes no Constitutional Amendments to enact. Just takes Congress and the President.
Eliminates much of the IRS and the tax accountants and tax attorneys. Too bad!
BTW, those IRS workers, tax accountants, and tax attorneys, and JR, can go work at the meat-packing plant in Postville, IA.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/05/300-arrested-in.html
MaxGrobnik posted May 12, 2008 at 4:20 pm
“Hank, the NOISE applies just to cooling.
None of the heating can be considered to be NOISE.
(That wouldn’t fit the model.)”
I guess Max cannot read graphs.
Note the warming caused by the 1997/1998 El Nino.
‘Uncertainty, noise and the art of model-data comparison’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison
CORRECTION: (Dang stroke!)
And Chas, with My Plan,
Max earning $100,000 pays $15,000 in taxes. (15%)
Jax earning $40,000 pays 3,000 in taxes. (7.5%)
Max pays 5 times more taxes while earning 2.5 times more income.
The EIC is gone though. So Max will pay $15,000 for that pie, and Jax will pay $3,000 for that pie. Dax earning $25,000 or less will pay $0.
But, with the EIC gone, Dax will not get money back which he did NOT pay in. In other words, Dax get’s a free pie, but doesn’t get money back for getting a free pie.
Can you live with THAT?
“Believe it or not Clark, I don’t have ALL the answers”
Jeez, that is a surprise.
“As for your spending question Clark, I’d slash 10% across the board To Start.”
Well, SO Max, you can’t cut interest payments and you can’t cut social security, so at best, a ten percent across the board cut would yield a $60 billion savings.
Given a projected deficit in fiscal 2009 of $600 billion, what would you do about the other $540 billion?
Eh?
Correction Hank,
The Global Warming NOISE cancels out both the Warming and the Cooling affect.
Bottom Line: All is fine!
10% of a 2 Trillion Dollar Budget Clark is $200 Billion.
Who said you can’t cut SS/Medicare? Means test it now. It WILL certainly be means tested in 10 to 15 years, might as well start early.
Cut everything, but Interest by 15%.
Clark can’t stand any solution that results in Spending cuts.
True Governmentcrat he is.
Oh Clark, and Max’s tax plan, cut’s EIC and cut’s benes for the Rich too.
Likely $300 Billion plus in more revenue for your tax greedy a**.
Dear Members and Friends of The Clergy Letter Project,
I am thrilled to report that The United Methodist Church, at its General Convention just concluded, endorsed The Clergy Letter Project. The resolution that was overwhelmingly passed at the General Convention, which meets once every four years, adds a statement to the Book of Resolution that reads as follows: “The United Methodist Church endorses The Clergy Letter Project and its reconciliatory programs between religion and science, and urges United Methodist clergy participation.”
The General Convention also adopted two other resolutions that are very supportive of evolution. The first explicitly adds the acceptance of evolution to the Methodist’s Book of Discipline. In part, the resolution states that “We find that science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology.”
You can read the full resolution here: http://calms.umc.org/2008/Text.aspx?mode=Petition&Number=50.
The final resolution adds a new statement to the Methodist’s Book of Resolution dealing with creationism and intelligent design. The wording reads as follows, “Therefore be it resolved that the General Conference of the United Methodist Church go on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools.”
This is fabulous news and we owe a debt of gratitude to Daniel Oertel, Al Kuelling and the Kansas East Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church, respectively, for making these three resolutions possible. Please help spread the word about this good news.
Now let me provide an update on Evolution Weekend 2009 (13-15 February). I’m delighted to say that we’ve never had so many congregations sign up to participate so early! As of this morning, we already have 95 congregations representing 38 states and five countries scheduled to participate. I plan on posting the web site in a few weeks, hopefully when all states have representatives. If you have not yet signed up to participate with your congregation, please think about doing so. Simply drop me a note (mz@butler.edu) and I’ll get you listed.
Let me close this note, and my plea for participation in Evolution Weekend this coming year, with words spoken by the Archbishop of Canterbury (Rowan Williams) at his Holy Week Lecture on Faith and Science (17 March 2008): “One of the many great men buried in this Abbey is Charles Darwin. If you read the biographies you’ll discover that at Darwin’s death a number of his friends and associates were getting ready for a battle-royal over where he should be buried. And it was a dog that didn’t bark. The ecclesiastical establishment at the Abbey and elsewhere, welcomed Darwin’s burial in their midst. Distinguished clergy preached obituary sermons about Darwin, underlining the ethos of the work, the spirit of attention, the spirit of selflessness. The Bishop of Gloucester preached a sermon in which he – somewhat complacently – observed that in no other country in Europe would a distinguished agnostic scientist be buried in a Christian place of worship; and whether or not he was right about that, it’s a very significant witness to the fact that the stand-off between faith and science, even between faith and Darwin, was not always what we might imagine it to be. And that attitude to Darwin represented by his burial in this place, is perhaps a good model for seeing the centrality, in our thinking about faith and science, of practice.”
You can read the full lecture at http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1710.
Please remember that 12 February 2009 is the 200th anniversary of the birth of Darwin and the year is the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. Participation in Evolution Weekend is not meant to deify Darwin but to demonstrate the strong, positive interactions that religion and science can have. It is an opportunity to elevate the quality of the dialogue about this important relationship. Doing so is no less critical now than it has been since the legislatures of various states are currently attempting to move forward with legislation that would permit narrow religious instruction to become a part of the public school science classroom. Similarly, a group in England is moving forward with plans to build a multi-million dollar creationist theme park, similar to the one recently opened in Kentucky. Religious leaders and scientists need to band together to demonstrate to the public that religion and science need not be at war with one another.
Please participate and please spread the word about The Clergy Letter Project. Together we are helping to shape perceptions around the globe.
As always, thank you for you continued support.
Michael
Michael Zimmerman
Office of the Dean
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Butler University
Indianapolis, IN 46208
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MaxGrobnik
Posted May 12, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink
Max’s Modified Flat Tax takes no Constitutional Amendments to enact. Just takes Congress and the President.
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My hunch is that it could take SCOTUS to make a decision on that, since the Constitution builds in the Income Tax… IMHO, it would take an Amendmemt to the Constitution to do away with it!!
Well, SO Max, you can’t just lop off ten or fifteen percent off the top of the Federal Budget – fifty three percent of the budget is mandatory spending and another (a very conservative estimate) is nine percent.
All you have to work with is 38% of the Federal budget – or about $800 billion.
Ten percent of $800 billion is $80 billion.
Fifteen percent of $800 billion is $120 billion.
At best, even if your program did NOT reduce (which is unlikely) revenue, you would still have a fiscal 2009 deficit of $480 billion – leading to more debt and more interest.
So, what is your plan, SO Max, for paying down the deficit?
Eh?
The “noise” of natural climate change affects the climate to a greater degree, for a longer period and with unexpected predictability more than cosmos cares to admit. :)
“Clark can’t stand any solution that results in Spending cuts.”
Wrong, dumbass, I have already proposed about $600 billion a years in spending cuts.
Damn, Scroll Over Max is at it again.
Wait until the Arctic Ice melts… And the North Pole has no snow… Boy, thats when we tell the World, that the Global Warming Deniers Refused to help Santa Claus keep his North Pole Palace and Work Shop… Remember Deniers, if anything happens to Santa Claus, it’s all YOUR fault!!
And Yes, I believe in Santa Claus!! :-)
I really like the methodist church. I should join.
“SO Max, for paying down the deficit?”
S/B “SO Max, for eliminating the deficit and paying off the debt?”
My dog was calling me to go out and play catch…………………
My bad.
They arent so bad, PMama!! But not all of the parishes as as liberal as General Conference… like any other denomination!!
Back later — My chicken is done baking… time for dinner!!
Chas
Posted May 12, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
Wait until the Arctic Ice melts… And the North Pole has no snow… Boy, thats when we tell the World, that the Global Warming Deniers Refused to help Santa Claus keep his North Pole Palace and Work Shop…
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Santa Claus invites you right now to spend some time in the North Pole. It is currently 17 degrees F with 30 mile per hour winds .
Bring your sunglasses and sun screen.
jimmymac posted May 12, 2008 at 7:36 pm
“The “noise” of natural climate change affects the climate to a greater degree, for a longer period and with unexpected predictability more than cosmos cares to admit.”
No, it does not.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Little jimmymac cannot defend his false opinions without lying about what other people believe.
I noticed that Scroll Over Max kind of disappeared when some REAL numbers were entered into the discussion.
I saw that Clark
Maybe his handlers called him back to his cage?? LOL
cosmos_originally
Posted May 12, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink
jimmymac posted May 12, 2008 at 7:36 pm
“The “noise” of natural climate change affects the climate to a greater degree, for a longer period and with unexpected predictability more than cosmos cares to admit.”
No, it does not.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
Little jimmymac cannot defend his false opinions without lying about what other people believe.
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I don’t have to defend it, Mother Nature is kicking your carbon credit backside and proves you wrong every day. :D
Yea, sure, right, James!! ROFL
Sorry ’bout you deniers not having a candidate and all.
Blue Jay I can hear you laughing all the way here!!
If you don’t like the North Pole Chas, you can go to the South Pole. The climate is much colder down there.
BTW, the north pole ice area has no land under it, it is a chunk of ice mass floating on water and is in a constant state of change and migration.
This goes beyond even the lame bush incompetence! But what the hay, their getting a disney land!
Ex-officials: Bush admin. ignored Iraq corruption By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
32 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration repeatedly ignored corruption at the highest levels within the Iraqi government and kept secret potentially embarrassing information so as not to undermine its relationship with Baghdad, according to two former State Department employees.
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Arthur Brennan, who briefly served in Baghdad as head of the department’s Office of Accountability and Transparency last year, and James Mattil, who worked as the chief of staff, told Senate Democrats on Monday that their office was understaffed and its warnings and recommendations ignored.
Brennan also alleges the State Department prevented a congressional aide visiting Baghdad from talking with staffers by insisting they were too busy. In reality, Brennan said, office members were watching movies at the embassy and on their computers. The staffers’ workload had been cut dramatically because of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s “evisceration” of Iraq’s top anti-corruption office, he said.
The State Department’s policies “not only contradicted the anti-corruption mission but indirectly contributed to and has allowed corruption to fester at the highest levels of the Iraqi government,” Brennan told the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.
The U.S. embassy “effort against corruption — including its new centerpiece, the now-defunct Office of Accountability and Transparency — was little more than ‘window dressing,’” he added.
Deputy State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the administration takes the issue of corruption seriously and pointed to its recent appointment of Lawrence Benedict as coordinator for anti-corruption initiatives at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad.
Benedict’s appointment “is another demonstration that we are working at very senior levels to help the Iraqis deal with this issue,” Casey said. “Any assertion that we have not taken this issue seriously or given it the attention it deserves is simply untrue.”
The Office of Accountability and Transparency, or “OAT” team, was intended to provide assistance and training to Iraq’s anti-corruption agencies. It was dismantled last December, after it alleged in a draft report leaked to the media that al-Maliki’s office had derailed or prevented investigations into Shiite-controlled agencies.
The draft report sparked hearings in Congress and prompted a showdown between Democrats and senior State Department officials on whether the public has a right to know the extent to which al-Maliki was involved in corruption cases.
Brennan charges the State Department never responded to his team’s report, which was retroactively classified because agency officials said it could hurt bilateral relations with Iraq. Other recommendations by the group also were kept secret, including a negative assessment of Iraq’s Joint Anti-Corruption Committee, Brennan said.
In July 2007, the OAT team concluded that the committee’s only purpose was to provide a forum for complaints against Judge Radhi Hamza al-Radhi, a top anti-corruption official in Baghdad whom many U.S. officials have hailed as the most effective in exposing fraud and abuse.
But information later released by the embassy ignored the team’s assessment and ultimately “failed to even mention what a disaster” the committee “really was,” Brennan said.
Brennan said he approved the embassy report against his better judgment but later regretted it.
Mattil, who worked with Brennan, made similar allegations. Specifically, he said the U.S. “remained silent in the face of an unrelenting campaign” by senior Iraqi officials to subvert Baghdad’s Commission on Public Integrity, which had been led by al-Radhi. Then, the U.S. turned its back on Iraqis who fled to the United States after being threatened for pursuing anti-corruption cases, he said.
“Since we have done so little (to undercut corruption), it’s easy to see why the government of Iraq has not done more,” said Mattil, who left the accountability office last October after having served for a year as its chief of staff. “We have demanded no better.”
Brennan was appointed as OAT director last summer and arrived in Baghdad in July. He left only a few weeks later after his wife was diagnosed with cancer. He stepped down from his position in August.
Iraqi government officials could not be reached for comment.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, head of the Democratic Policy Committee, said the testimony was critical in light of upcoming legislation that would appropriate more than $170 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Senate Appropriations Committee, of which Dorgan is a member, is expected to approve the legislation Thursday.
“It is a cruel irony if we are appropriating money next Thursday or did appropriate money last month or last year and that money ends up actually providing the resources for an insurgency in Iraq which ends up killing Americans,” said Dorgan, D-N.D.
But… but… there’s no Santa Claus at the South Pole… dont want to go there!!
bth one political scientist said that he could shave 5 to 7% off mccain’s support, but that shouldn’t really have an effect on the outcome! The national mood so favored the dems.
REAL numbers Clark?
When did you post those?
Source?
Dumba*s.
And “Regular” segues into “Max”.
No doubt to be followed by “American way” and a cornucopia of other characters.
JR, this reminded me of you, for some reason.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355196,00.html
Fur Seal Caught Trying to Have Sex With Penguin
Desparate times, desparate measures, ehh JR?
“The roughly 240-pound fur seal — in fact a species of sea lion, rather than a true seal — subdued the 30-pound adult penguin by lying on it.”
I’m not sure about that BlueJay… But, IF it were true, it would make an excellent study for a psychiatrist, or a psychiatric team…
Global Warming JR?
We KNOW James.
You LIVE in front of the screen.
Don’t wear a tuxedo around JR!
Serial Burglars 15 Crimes, Caught by Woman with Gun!
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=8312601&nav=menu31_3
Woman grabs gun, foils burglary at her home
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:05 PM CDT
Updated: May 12, 2008 05:05 PM CDT
Woman holds Mother’s Day burglars at gunpoint
By Shayla Reaves
LOUISVILLE (WAVE) — A string of burglaries lands two men in jail on Mother’s Day. Police say Larry Tedrow and James Brewer could be linked to as many as 15 cases, but it’s one in particular that almost cost them their life. WAVE 3’s Shayla Reaves spent time with a woman determined to protect her home on Mother’s Day.
Mother’s Day is usually about taking care of mom, but this year Donna Dedas had to take of some bad guys at home.
“I said, ‘Get down on the ground, don’t make me shoot you over a piece of jewelry! Get down on the ground!’” she told WAVE 3 News of the encounter.”In all honesty, it was more drama than I care to have.”
Dedas and her son returned home to find a strange truck parked outside and two men inside their home — 40 year-old Larry Tedrow and 43-year-old James Brewer. That’s when Dedas took action.
“I went in the backdoor and came up the steps and as I was going up the steps the two men had my pillowcase and things in their hand and they went right out the front door,” she said.”I got my gun and came out and got on the deck. I yelled at them to get down on the ground, then they jumped in the truck.”
“REAL numbers Clark?”
Which numbers are you disputing, SO Max?
The Debt?
The Deficit?
The math?
Which ones are you disputing?
Where’s your link on the “discretionary” numbers?
“Where’s your link on the “discretionary” numbers?”
What do you think the number should be, Scroll Over?
My numbers came from the freakin’ White House….
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/pdf/fy2009/charts.pdf
Are you calling the Bush White House a bunch of liars, Scroll Over?
Clark, I dont think Max has those numbers –:-)
:-) even
Watching it made me chuckle, The scene is where O’Reilly was on “Inside Edition” it is an outtake of when at the end of the show text appeared on the teleprompter that Bill-o did not understand the Phrase “playing us out”. O Reilly threw a hissy fit and after two takes finally winged it. Then once he had a good take, stumped his feet and stormed off.
The original copy was pull for copyright issues, but the version where the audio is played backwards and with German rally music in the background is pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxvrmrr7Q4&NR=1
“I don’t have to defend it, Mother Nature is kicking your carbon credit backside and proves you wrong every day.”
jimmymac thinks that is what this graph says?
http://www.realclimate.org/images/giss-15yr.jpg
And it looks like yet another “terrorist” has been held indefinitely, subjected to good ol’ USA “enhanced interrogation techniques,” and released uncharged.
U.S. drops charges against ‘20th hijacker’ facing Guantanamo trial
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — The Pentagon is dropping charges against a Saudi at Guantanamo who was supposed to have been the “20th hijacker” in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Mohammed al-Qahtani was one of six men facing murder charges before a U.S. military tribunal for the attacks.
But U.S. military defence lawyers confirmed to The Associated Press on Monday that a Pentagon official has finalized the charges only against the other five, including the alleged architect of the attacks.
U.S. officials have said al-Qahtani was subjected to harsh treatment authorized by former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHDwsXRiqT7FqMm2txovY8Jrd8_Q
Oops! Sorry about that!
And for the “good conservatives” that want to eliminate the Earned Income Credit……..
What you are saying is that you want to increase the tax burden on the working poor by eliminating a credit.
You do not, however, want to eliminate tax breaks for big business.
You do not want to eliminate tax breaks for the upper class and already wealthy.
But you would gladly increase the tax burden for families with dependents that make less than $25,000 per year.
That is so freakin’ nice of you – what a bunch of caring, decent charitable folks you are.
Damn, I am getting teary-eyed just thinking about how charitable you all are………………………………………….
Motherforkers.
Max? Oh, Max?!? Where are you Scroll Over? You asked a question and I answered – you wanted REAL numbers and I gave them to you. Where are you Max? Scroll Over?!?! Are you out there?
You know Junior, I actually do other things that visit the WE Blog.
Max is max. He lives in Iowa. In fact if you surf the net, you can find Max posting elsewhere besides here and some places in Iowa.
American Way is American way, he’s a retired Marine, I’m retired Air Force.
But since you can’t debate me one on one in any subject Junior, I’ll let you have your delusions.
You’re too scared to debate on a subject and too scared to meet me in person. That’s why you do what you do.
Words of advice for Junior who actually believes coal is dinosaur fuel.
Regular, why dont you just stop with the damned personal attacks, and try to stay on point, or on topic… Not that it matters to you, but >>>>
Please refrain from personal attacks and using other posters’ nicknames. Report possible comment violations to weblog@wichitaeagle.com.
BTW, Coal IS fossil fuel!! LOL
Coal is fissil fuel!!
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/coal.html
fissil fuel = fossil fuel
Good night; Good luck;
God Bless — Whatever you conceive God to be!
Blessings ALL!!
Regular, you have no idea where I live. I’ve never said where I live or don’t live.
I’ve posted on many web sites across the country, including Iowa.
Where I live? Who knows or cares?
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